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[Jennifer] May 15, 1981.

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Press reports document a

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healthy young men

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in their sleep.

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Those who best knew the dead men

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claim they were victims

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Tales of malevolent spirits

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date back centuries.

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Some claim they are deadly.

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[Brian] Cardiologists

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to be scared to death.

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[Jennifer] Could a demon

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[Woman] It feels like

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And suffocate me.

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As she got closer,

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I had to get up

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[Jennifer]

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After serving in the US Navy,

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I began a career

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Now I'm exploring

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to find out if dreams can kill.

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[music]

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[Jennifer]

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to make sense of our nightmares.

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Are they simply dreams

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or dark omens foretelling death

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Some myths even suggest these

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but visitations

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And after it happens

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But if you think this sounds

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then you'd be wrong.

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Although these nightmares

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dating back centuries,

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there's a real case in the 1980s

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Hmong refugees died of unknown

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There's a time and a place

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around the campfire maybe,

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but then again there are plenty

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they might be real.

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Ali Houmani is a paranormal

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He's reached out to me with a

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I have a YouTube channel.

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I speak to spirits.

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Something I've noticed

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in people experiencing

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I'm familiar

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What is a sleep demon?

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An entity that will try

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your mind, your consciousness

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It will attack you

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And in some cases,

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kill you.

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-That's horrific.

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To my knowledge this was

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or some movie plot.

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[Ali] This was the basis of

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with Freddy Kruger.

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But it is very real.

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So the movie wasn't promoted

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but the events which inspired

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are almost as terrifying.

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In 1981 reports began surfacing

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some even teenagers who died

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Can I share something with you?

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-Sure.

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Of course.

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I've been experiencing a

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for the past 10 years.

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That's a long time.

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It all started uh,

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One night I woke up

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I didn't think anything

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that I couldn't move.

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As I scan around room,

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what's going on,

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I see her.

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And then, she got on top of me.

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And squeezed the air

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while screaming at

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That sounds terrifying.

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There's a lot here.

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There's a lot of history and

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It's unsettling hearing

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which Ali believes

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And while I'm open to the idea,

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I want to get to the bottom of

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what's happening to you and

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and medical side of it

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sort of explanation,

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I really feel for what

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Thank you.

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I was able to connect with some

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sleep paralysis experiences.

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[Jennifer] Each of the subjects

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own terrifying nightmares.

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And I'm bringing in an artist,

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what these witnesses experienced

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I was 16 years old,

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I had just moved bedrooms

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and I look up in the doorframe

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giant, shadowy figure.

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It's like, almost just

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At the beginning it took more

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and then the closer it came,

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more slender and less human

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And just kind of felt like a

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I looked up and it was like

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kinda staring down at me.

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And I couldn't move.

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I became aware that I was

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And there was an old hag

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Mostly it was like a shadow.

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I could make out

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It had green eyes.

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And it was carrying something.

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Its shoulder was dropped

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over me with an axe.

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There was a streetlight

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shined into my bedroom.

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And you could see

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but you couldn't see her legs.

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Every time I closed my eyes,

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I was trying

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I couldn't move.

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I couldn't move my hand

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She was on my chest.

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I was essentially

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You're screaming inside.

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It feels like it's trying

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Pressing down on my chest,

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I could feel blood running

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I shut my eyes

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I had to get up

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This is how I'm going to die.

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Die.

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Does this look like

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It's dark and menacing.

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and even the lighting

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That's pretty close.

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It's definitely not a nice thing

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Yes. I would agree that

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That is it.

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[Jennifer] So what feelings

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I feel like crying right now

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to have an anxiety attack.

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Yeah. That's what came

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Those were unique and compelling

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by the consistency of them.

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That feeling of dread,

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that their life was in danger,

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Are these the same experiences

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My research has led me

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First reported in the

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with sudden death caused by a

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Could this be the tip

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Those who believe in the

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point to the death

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after arriving in the US

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If we can figure out why these

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in their sleep, it could give us

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We're going to meet with

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who teaches ethnic studies.

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He is an expert on Hmong

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So this is a story cloth

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making during the refugee camps.

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You see a depiction of conflict

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that pushed the Hmong out of

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You see the bombings,

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You also see the MeKong River,

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which separated the country of

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And many Hmong had

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and get into the refugee camps

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by the United Nations.

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What was that like for them when

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[Seng] They had to start all

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in America.

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so they were child soldiers

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for many of the elderly that

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it's still really difficult

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Over 100 men have died

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Some of whom were quite young.

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How did the community

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this episode really created a

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because we don't really have

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It's just, part of the culture

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they call it the  Dab tsog.

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This spirit is sitting

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Again, it's probably the

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where this evil spirit

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My parents were refugees too.

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It's easy for me to imagine

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through because my family

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similar experiences.

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I feel like I really do need to

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You know I find it remarkable

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Hmong people were dealing with,

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and relocating that it ended up

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sort of state.

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Well, yeah and being away from

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to seek spiritual help

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[Jennifer]  Hmong traditional

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so we're going back to these

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something that might

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As part of the investigation,

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who might be able

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battle his sleep demons.

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[Ali] It's really hard explain

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what you're going through

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-Hi, guys.

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Hello, you guys.

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Tassie Yang,

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She can tell us more

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and Hmong shamanism.

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Come on in.

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I'm interested to hear her

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a sleep demon could

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Tassie, what exactly is a

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A shaman is a spiritual healer,

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so anybody that can go

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I was raised on the southside

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so there were no other

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I didn't know anything

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I was five years old.

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I literally woke up

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Like, I couldn't move them.

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My mom took me to the hospital

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They thought I was possibly

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so you know, they asked me

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Now my dad eventually took me

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had actually came over from you

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And they did something.

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And then my wrists, they started

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So fast forward

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I actually met a demon who

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To actually get rid of him

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I had to accept

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and actually raising my shrine.

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In the Hmong community,

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and new age shamans,

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a lot of them were taught

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the chants because they mix

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And who are psychic.

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Now what does it look like

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What do you do there?

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The first thing they always

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they always call all of their

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They would tell you,

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we're going to take you to this

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and then when we get there we'll

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whether it's finding another

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what is hurting an individual

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a dark entity,

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The 100-plus men

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do you think it was a sleep

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stress?

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I definitely believe that

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to their early demise.

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So you believe that sleep demons

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quite literally scaring

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Yes, I do.

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I believe that you could die

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Have you ever had

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or sleep paralysis?

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I have had

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Have you had anything?

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I've experienced sleep paralysis

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and I believe that I

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I would really love your help.

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I think that we can do a

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to help you just as some

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I'm hoping that

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with this sleep demon.

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And I'm hoping she'll be able

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what I can do to stop it

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So what I would ask is for you

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Thank you.

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Now I'm going to take the string

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All right, so my spirit guides,

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tie this string onto

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I'm just going

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which are protection

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Okay.

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Now this string, you don't wanna

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That will represent

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so it's better and you know,

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become looser and it will

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And then that's what you're

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How do I say thank you in Hmong?

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-Ua tsaug.

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Tassie was fascinating.

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She knows so much

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I think she helped me

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[Jennifer]  I'm curious to see

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will have an impact on Ali.

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When an unexplained phenomenon

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you know there's

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On a primal level, we know we're

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That fear of something taking

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is very real

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[Jennifer] Clive Tonge directed

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which features a hag-like

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I wanted to hear about the

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The entire movie was based

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that people had, had,

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so I discovered

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My sister described somebody at

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She said there's this old lady,

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this old lady runs towards her,

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and just kind of whispered

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So I have been experiencing

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and they match the image

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Where did you get

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Really old paintings and

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this thing throughout the ages,

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who slowly creeps

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gets onto their chest

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The research guy based

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collecting people's experiences.

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And something he said

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which was if somebody in Canada

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up the bed, somebody in the UK

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somebody in Japan sees that,

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which there's documented

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Then who am I to say

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There's no natural

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Some form of this appears

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You mentioned the name, Mara.

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Where did you get that name?

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It's not just a made-up word.

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It's actually

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and the ancient meaning

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so the mare at the end

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While doing your research did

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that were displaced as refugees

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Yeah. They were a big part of

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they pointed to the fact that

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When a hundred people die

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then there has to be

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[Jennifer] Our investigation

353
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keeps returning to the

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who mysteriously died

355
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Eye-witness accounts will help

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the Hmong experience.

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We're about to meet

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He is Hmong and his family

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communist oppression.

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He lost two of his brothers

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and he's about to share his

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Every day people would go

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tend to their animals

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When the communists took over,

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reeducation center, which is a

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Eighty percent

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And you lost several

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I have lost um, many of my

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So sorry.

370
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No. Don't be sorry.

371
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I have lost many family members

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brothers, cousins, uncles...

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Even some... up to this date,

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where their body lies.

375
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You know, I understand that

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passed away in their sleep.

377
00:20:23,351 --> 00:20:24,894
Yes. Correct.

378
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Uh, I do believe that there

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but there has not been a very

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to what is the cause.

381
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And how old were each of them

382
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Um, my oldest brother,

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And my second brother, I think

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Were they both relatively

385
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Yes, there were no problem,

386
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How stressful was it to be away

387
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and not have access to a shaman

388
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that stress and anxiety?

389
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The shaman make sure that your

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by evil spirit,

391
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It's really hard for you to

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very important to have a shaman.

393
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[Jennifer] Alex,

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for sharing your story with us.

395
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We really appreciate it.

396
00:21:26,831 --> 00:21:29,834
Alex's experience and everything

397
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it's overwhelming

398
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Being uprooted had to be

399
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and on top of that,

400
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I can't even imagine how

401
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that amount of trauma.

402
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[Ali] Hearing what Alex went

403
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for my own parents

404
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And being displaced

405
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Men aren't often allowed

406
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because we have

407
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What I think happened is stress

408
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and weakened their body and

409
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to them in their sleep took

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[Jennifer] Shrouded in dread,

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deaths straddle between the

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To really understand the root

413
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young adults were dying in their

414
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are meeting with

415
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to learn new and alternative

416
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behind this phenomenon.

417
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,397
Dr. Breus, thank you so much

418
00:22:32,438 --> 00:22:34,315
I'm excited to be here.

419
00:22:34,357 --> 00:22:36,943
So the first thing that

420
00:22:36,984 --> 00:22:40,446
what is the importance

421
00:22:40,488 --> 00:22:41,155
Physical restoration.

422
00:22:41,197 --> 00:22:43,950
So this is where kind of the car

423
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and gets the dents and the dinks

424
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We also see a

425
00:22:48,913 --> 00:22:51,040
which occurs during REM sleep

426
00:22:51,082 --> 00:22:53,334
we move information

427
00:22:53,376 --> 00:22:55,044
to our long-term memory.

428
00:22:55,086 --> 00:22:57,880
Sleep's right up there

429
00:22:57,922 --> 00:23:00,383
what our body needs to function.

430
00:23:00,425 --> 00:23:03,803
It really is fundamental

431
00:23:03,845 --> 00:23:07,557
Everything we do, we do better

432
00:23:07,598 --> 00:23:10,726
Could anxiety and stress cause

433
00:23:10,768 --> 00:23:13,896
Yes. Sleep paralysis is a

434
00:23:13,938 --> 00:23:16,482
almost everybody's experienced

435
00:23:16,524 --> 00:23:21,404
in their lives where you wake up

436
00:23:21,446 --> 00:23:22,989
Your eyes are working

437
00:23:23,030 --> 00:23:25,032
but it feels like your body

438
00:23:25,074 --> 00:23:27,326
into gear yet.

439
00:23:27,368 --> 00:23:30,329
During REM sleep,

440
00:23:30,371 --> 00:23:32,665
The main reason for that is

441
00:23:32,707 --> 00:23:34,083
our dreams.

442
00:23:34,125 --> 00:23:35,835
So our body goes into a

443
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REM atonia paralysis.

444
00:23:38,463 --> 00:23:40,590
When we wake up very quickly

445
00:23:40,631 --> 00:23:42,842
and if we were

446
00:23:42,884 --> 00:23:45,845
that atonia seems to hang on.

447
00:23:45,887 --> 00:23:47,680
Our eyes move

448
00:23:47,722 --> 00:23:49,932
but the rest of us doesn't move.

449
00:23:49,974 --> 00:23:52,101
Is there a typical amount

450
00:23:52,143 --> 00:23:53,978
in a sleep paralysis episode?

451
00:23:54,020 --> 00:23:57,398
It feels like it takes forever,

452
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,485
in somewhere between

453
00:24:00,526 --> 00:24:03,029
There are cultural differences

454
00:24:03,070 --> 00:24:06,741
this and to be clear,

455
00:24:06,782 --> 00:24:09,869
a true hallucination

456
00:24:12,580 --> 00:24:16,375
If you're in it,

457
00:24:16,417 --> 00:24:18,377
and very disconcerting.

458
00:24:18,419 --> 00:24:20,338
Have you heard

459
00:24:20,379 --> 00:24:22,465
that were displaced as refugees?

460
00:24:22,507 --> 00:24:25,551
Could being away from their

461
00:24:25,593 --> 00:24:29,472
cause them to fear

462
00:24:29,514 --> 00:24:31,516
and quite possibly kill them?

463
00:24:31,557 --> 00:24:34,018
People become phobic to sleep.

464
00:24:34,060 --> 00:24:36,938
Your mind can play some pretty

465
00:24:36,979 --> 00:24:38,856
So what do you think happened

466
00:24:38,898 --> 00:24:42,568
These young men who died in

467
00:24:42,610 --> 00:24:44,695
You know, I don't know

468
00:24:44,737 --> 00:24:48,449
I mean, if I had to guess,

469
00:24:48,491 --> 00:24:50,952
maybe there could've been

470
00:24:50,993 --> 00:24:52,495
that could have happened.

471
00:24:52,537 --> 00:24:54,789
I mean, we do see people

472
00:24:54,830 --> 00:24:56,999
very high when they're

473
00:24:57,041 --> 00:24:59,085
and that could certainly

474
00:24:59,126 --> 00:25:01,754
I'd have to really understand

475
00:25:01,796 --> 00:25:03,548
of the people who died.

476
00:25:03,589 --> 00:25:04,298
Meeting with Dr. Breus was great

477
00:25:04,340 --> 00:25:07,385
because he confirmed that

478
00:25:07,426 --> 00:25:07,969
to a lot of people.

479
00:25:08,010 --> 00:25:10,513
And it's totally normal

480
00:25:10,555 --> 00:25:12,431
[Jennifer] For me, I think

481
00:25:12,473 --> 00:25:15,518
there are scientific medical

482
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,062
to identify what's

483
00:25:20,606 --> 00:25:22,733
It's time to get Ali

484
00:25:22,775 --> 00:25:25,778
with an in-depth sleep

485
00:25:25,820 --> 00:25:28,614
So this can hopefully

486
00:25:28,656 --> 00:25:30,366
Yeah.

487
00:25:30,408 --> 00:25:32,577
[Jennifer] Maybe then he will

488
00:25:32,618 --> 00:25:34,453
the night terrors,

489
00:25:34,495 --> 00:25:36,872
since he was a teenager.

490
00:25:36,914 --> 00:25:39,417
This is it.

491
00:25:39,458 --> 00:25:41,961
What if she shows up

492
00:25:42,003 --> 00:25:45,673
You know, I have to

493
00:25:45,715 --> 00:25:47,800
I don't want to use the word

494
00:25:47,842 --> 00:25:51,512
but do you feel like you are

495
00:25:51,554 --> 00:25:54,807
Yeah. Honestly, because we've

496
00:25:54,849 --> 00:25:58,477
and Tassie mentioned that the

497
00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:02,064
the more you give them energy

498
00:26:18,456 --> 00:26:19,081
Hi. How are you doing?

499
00:26:19,123 --> 00:26:21,292
[Jennifer] We've come to the

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00:26:21,334 --> 00:26:22,043
in Alhambra California.

501
00:26:22,084 --> 00:26:25,796
They evaluate patients for

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00:26:25,838 --> 00:26:28,758
from apnea to narcolepsy,

503
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:30,343
They've agreed

504
00:26:30,384 --> 00:26:32,678
one of their sleep evaluations,

505
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,889
for our investigation,

506
00:26:34,930 --> 00:26:37,516
that can record Ali's vitals

507
00:26:37,558 --> 00:26:38,934
Basically, what we're gonna

508
00:26:38,976 --> 00:26:40,394
with a bunch of sensors.

509
00:26:40,436 --> 00:26:41,896
We're gonna monitor you

510
00:26:41,937 --> 00:26:43,773
How you're breathing,

511
00:26:43,814 --> 00:26:45,316
certain muscle activity.

512
00:26:45,358 --> 00:26:47,360
Usually the test takes

513
00:26:47,401 --> 00:26:48,027
and then you'll be done.

514
00:26:48,069 --> 00:26:50,363
All you have to do is

515
00:26:50,404 --> 00:26:51,947
-We'll take care of the rest.

516
00:26:51,989 --> 00:26:53,449
-Thank you.

517
00:26:54,533 --> 00:26:56,202
[Jennifer] Good luck.

518
00:26:59,330 --> 00:27:00,790
So what we're gonna do, sir,

519
00:27:00,831 --> 00:27:02,958
is we're gonna connect you

520
00:27:03,542 --> 00:27:05,795
Okay, I'm just gonna put a

521
00:27:05,836 --> 00:27:06,796
I've gotta put a sticker.

522
00:27:06,837 --> 00:27:08,381
Okay.

523
00:27:08,798 --> 00:27:12,968
These are gonna measure

524
00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:15,137
so if you go into REM sleep.

525
00:27:15,179 --> 00:27:17,723
So all these that we're gonna

526
00:27:17,765 --> 00:27:19,809
monitor your brain waves.

527
00:27:19,850 --> 00:27:21,310
Well, pretty much that's how

528
00:27:21,352 --> 00:27:23,396
and when you're awake.

529
00:27:23,646 --> 00:27:25,815
How long does it take

530
00:27:25,856 --> 00:27:27,191
all this information?

531
00:27:27,233 --> 00:27:29,485
It takes about

532
00:27:29,527 --> 00:27:31,779
If I wake up screaming,

533
00:27:31,821 --> 00:27:33,698
Yeah, no problem.

534
00:27:33,739 --> 00:27:36,117
Stick your leg out

535
00:27:40,538 --> 00:27:42,832
Okay, this is gonna be the

536
00:27:42,873 --> 00:27:45,584
It's just to check your O2

537
00:27:45,876 --> 00:27:49,171
Once we do that, we'll plug you

538
00:27:49,213 --> 00:27:50,464
put your information

539
00:27:50,506 --> 00:27:53,217
and make sure

540
00:27:53,342 --> 00:27:55,386
Then we'll turn off the lights

541
00:27:55,428 --> 00:27:56,762
Just have a seat over there.

542
00:27:56,804 --> 00:27:57,555
I'm gonna plug you

543
00:27:57,555 --> 00:28:00,558
And then we'll turn off the

544
00:28:30,296 --> 00:28:31,714
How's everything going?

545
00:28:31,756 --> 00:28:32,923
Oh, it's going pretty good.

546
00:28:32,965 --> 00:28:35,384
Um, so far the patient's

547
00:28:35,426 --> 00:28:37,011
He's been asleep

548
00:28:37,052 --> 00:28:38,304
Okay.

549
00:28:38,345 --> 00:28:39,889
Um, kinda in the beginning,

550
00:28:39,930 --> 00:28:41,766
it looked like he had

551
00:28:41,807 --> 00:28:44,351
Uh, it looked centrals

552
00:28:44,393 --> 00:28:47,354
which are a little more serious

553
00:28:47,396 --> 00:28:49,356
It could just be the space

554
00:28:49,398 --> 00:28:51,400
Sometimes it's the tonsils.

555
00:28:51,442 --> 00:28:53,068
Oh, that's interesting.

556
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:54,737
And so what are all

557
00:28:54,779 --> 00:28:55,905
you're measuring with this?

558
00:28:55,946 --> 00:28:57,823
Like, how many leads

559
00:28:57,865 --> 00:28:59,909
He has about 21 leads on him.

560
00:28:59,950 --> 00:29:01,911
Most of them on the head

561
00:29:01,952 --> 00:29:02,995
monitoring his brain waves.

562
00:29:03,037 --> 00:29:04,663
That's these ones up here.

563
00:29:04,705 --> 00:29:07,082
The blue lines are going to be

564
00:29:07,124 --> 00:29:09,376
The other black lines are going

565
00:29:09,418 --> 00:29:10,920
and his face.

566
00:29:10,961 --> 00:29:15,257
Um, the red line is going

567
00:29:15,299 --> 00:29:19,220
And then the last thing

568
00:29:19,261 --> 00:29:21,096
what position he's sleeping in.

569
00:29:21,138 --> 00:29:23,682
Are you able to tell if

570
00:29:23,724 --> 00:29:24,433
in a sleep study?

571
00:29:24,475 --> 00:29:27,770
No. The only thing that's

572
00:29:27,812 --> 00:29:28,521
if they're in REM sleep,

573
00:29:28,562 --> 00:29:31,357
that's a pretty good guess

574
00:29:31,398 --> 00:29:33,275
Okay.

575
00:29:33,317 --> 00:29:36,821
Okay, so this is interesting.

576
00:29:36,862 --> 00:29:38,906
And it looks like

577
00:29:38,948 --> 00:29:40,366
But as he's waking up,

578
00:29:40,407 --> 00:29:42,076
you see these little fishtails

579
00:29:42,117 --> 00:29:46,831
It looks like he's having REM

580
00:29:48,499 --> 00:29:53,087
So he could be experiencing um,

581
00:29:53,128 --> 00:29:54,046
[Jennifer] As we speak?

582
00:29:54,088 --> 00:29:55,506
Yeah.

583
00:29:55,881 --> 00:29:58,759
Now how are you able

584
00:29:58,801 --> 00:29:59,510
what that looks like?

585
00:29:59,552 --> 00:30:01,846
Well, you'll see the eyes move

586
00:30:01,887 --> 00:30:04,014
they're experiencing sleep

587
00:30:04,056 --> 00:30:06,100
the only thing they can really

588
00:30:06,141 --> 00:30:07,476
Sometimes they even

589
00:30:07,518 --> 00:30:10,187
time breathing.

590
00:30:16,068 --> 00:30:17,486
I need to do some

591
00:30:17,528 --> 00:30:18,946
but will you call me

592
00:30:18,988 --> 00:30:19,989
-Yeah. Sure.

593
00:30:20,030 --> 00:30:20,823
Thank you.

594
00:30:20,865 --> 00:30:23,242
Jennifer]  So for Ali the battle

595
00:30:23,284 --> 00:30:24,952
is not yet over.

596
00:30:24,994 --> 00:30:25,744
I'm headed home to follow-up

597
00:30:25,744 --> 00:30:29,081
and get some sleep myself,

598
00:30:29,123 --> 00:30:31,417
the rest of the test tracks

599
00:30:36,255 --> 00:30:38,924
Okay, sir.

600
00:30:39,258 --> 00:30:42,177
I'm just going

601
00:30:44,013 --> 00:30:46,265
If you need a couple of minutes

602
00:30:46,307 --> 00:30:47,850
I'm going to have you

603
00:30:47,892 --> 00:30:49,560
I'm going to take

604
00:30:55,566 --> 00:30:59,028
I had four nightmares.

605
00:30:59,069 --> 00:31:02,114
Two of them were very stressful

606
00:31:02,364 --> 00:31:06,827
and then the other two

607
00:31:08,329 --> 00:31:10,998
Almost like a dream

608
00:31:14,084 --> 00:31:17,838
I woke up from there

609
00:31:18,589 --> 00:31:23,469
Emma came in, my wife and she

610
00:31:23,719 --> 00:31:26,597
And I didn't think much of it

611
00:31:26,931 --> 00:31:30,309
And I realized

612
00:31:30,643 --> 00:31:34,980
I was trying my hardest

613
00:31:35,022 --> 00:31:38,776
and I ended up moving too hard,

614
00:31:38,817 --> 00:31:43,072
She helped me back onto the bed

615
00:31:43,113 --> 00:31:46,784
so I went to grab it and

616
00:31:46,825 --> 00:31:49,203
and it started chewing on like

617
00:31:49,244 --> 00:31:52,456
And I was like, fighting with it

618
00:31:54,166 --> 00:31:57,169
I thought I was awake, awake

619
00:31:57,211 --> 00:32:00,381
so I had opened my eyes

620
00:32:00,422 --> 00:32:02,591
completely paralyzed

621
00:32:05,135 --> 00:32:07,221
Yeah.

622
00:32:22,528 --> 00:32:23,946
[Jennifer] We're meeting with

623
00:32:23,988 --> 00:32:26,156
to go over the results from the

624
00:32:26,198 --> 00:32:27,866
And I'm curious to see

625
00:32:27,908 --> 00:32:30,911
if he'll spot anything alarming

626
00:32:30,953 --> 00:32:34,123
I had about four nightmares.

627
00:32:34,164 --> 00:32:37,042
I am glad that we get to visit

628
00:32:37,084 --> 00:32:39,294
and kind of get his perspective

629
00:32:39,336 --> 00:32:43,298
Yeah. I really want to see him

630
00:32:43,340 --> 00:32:46,760
and at least try to help me make

631
00:32:46,802 --> 00:32:49,096
because I'm really tired

632
00:32:51,056 --> 00:32:53,517
So the good news is,

633
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:57,104
Um, you're lean, so I wasn't

634
00:32:57,146 --> 00:32:59,189
The fishtails are something

635
00:32:59,231 --> 00:33:01,400
sometimes is there's

636
00:33:01,442 --> 00:33:03,193
I actually have the

637
00:33:03,235 --> 00:33:04,820
So you see this red line?

638
00:33:04,862 --> 00:33:07,322
This red line represents

639
00:33:07,364 --> 00:33:09,366
in REM sleep.

640
00:33:09,408 --> 00:33:11,285
What happens is when

641
00:33:11,326 --> 00:33:14,830
this is when the sleep paralysis

642
00:33:14,872 --> 00:33:17,416
And so what I discovered was is

643
00:33:17,458 --> 00:33:21,211
you were awake and your muscle

644
00:33:21,253 --> 00:33:24,089
So you were paralyzed.

645
00:33:24,173 --> 00:33:28,135
So we can confirm that you

646
00:33:28,177 --> 00:33:30,137
So I'm not giving

647
00:33:30,179 --> 00:33:32,139
but at the end of the day

648
00:33:32,181 --> 00:33:33,932
and you had that

649
00:33:33,974 --> 00:33:36,852
and that kind of a story,

650
00:33:36,894 --> 00:33:40,939
you would probably be diagnosed

651
00:33:40,981 --> 00:33:44,401
Does that factor into what

652
00:33:44,443 --> 00:33:47,196
A few things that we would

653
00:33:47,237 --> 00:33:48,906
be working with a neurologist.

654
00:33:48,947 --> 00:33:51,200
And they might look

655
00:33:51,241 --> 00:33:53,327
How often are you going to bed?

656
00:33:53,368 --> 00:33:55,788
Like, keeping a consistent sleep

657
00:33:55,829 --> 00:33:58,457
the best thing that you could

658
00:33:58,499 --> 00:34:00,209
with something like

659
00:34:00,250 --> 00:34:01,543
Other things that

660
00:34:01,585 --> 00:34:03,796
trying to slow down things

661
00:34:03,837 --> 00:34:05,297
sleep quality worse,

662
00:34:05,339 --> 00:34:08,008
so maybe removing caffeine

663
00:34:08,050 --> 00:34:10,886
alcohol is probably

664
00:34:10,928 --> 00:34:12,888
especially later on

665
00:34:12,930 --> 00:34:15,307
because if you do fall asleep

666
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:18,060
there's a far greater

667
00:34:18,102 --> 00:34:18,685
like this happening.

668
00:34:18,727 --> 00:34:21,814
You also described some

669
00:34:21,855 --> 00:34:22,522
associated with it.

670
00:34:22,564 --> 00:34:25,109
And so there are some

671
00:34:25,149 --> 00:34:28,861
be helpful in removing

672
00:34:28,904 --> 00:34:29,613
that you seem to be having.

673
00:34:29,655 --> 00:34:31,990
I don't want you to think

674
00:34:32,031 --> 00:34:34,952
per se, it's more of an

675
00:34:34,993 --> 00:34:37,830
[Jennifer] Ali is convinced he's

676
00:34:37,870 --> 00:34:39,832
On the other hand,

677
00:34:39,873 --> 00:34:42,667
by the power of our brain

678
00:34:42,709 --> 00:34:44,752
with it while we sleep.

679
00:34:44,794 --> 00:34:47,422
The question still remaining

680
00:34:47,464 --> 00:34:49,675
connected to this phenomenon?

681
00:34:49,716 --> 00:34:52,343
Can something from nightmares

682
00:34:52,386 --> 00:34:55,888
in their sleep?

683
00:34:56,348 --> 00:34:59,017
[Jenninfer]  My research has led

684
00:34:59,059 --> 00:35:03,063
in Tagalog called Bangungot,

685
00:35:03,105 --> 00:35:05,274
to rise and to moan.

686
00:35:05,315 --> 00:35:07,484
The phenomenon was known

687
00:35:07,526 --> 00:35:11,864
young Phillipino and Hawaiian

688
00:35:11,905 --> 00:35:15,367
in an eerily similar manner

689
00:35:15,409 --> 00:35:16,743
Also in their sleep,

690
00:35:16,785 --> 00:35:19,746
but often after a heavy meal

691
00:35:19,788 --> 00:35:23,959
It's an uncanny coincidence, but

692
00:35:24,001 --> 00:35:26,837
because the Hmong men

693
00:35:26,879 --> 00:35:28,714
But I may have found

694
00:35:28,755 --> 00:35:32,926
on this cultural anomaly and

695
00:35:35,888 --> 00:35:37,431
After finding some of

696
00:35:37,472 --> 00:35:39,349
I reached out to

697
00:35:39,391 --> 00:35:42,060
clinical psychologist

698
00:35:42,102 --> 00:35:44,479
he's done on sleep paralysis.

699
00:35:44,521 --> 00:35:47,399
And specifically what happened

700
00:35:47,441 --> 00:35:49,568
in the 70s and 80s.

701
00:35:49,610 --> 00:35:54,448
So the usual chain of events

702
00:35:54,489 --> 00:35:56,825
is the first thing we do is we

703
00:35:56,867 --> 00:35:58,702
and we realize we're paralyzed.

704
00:35:58,744 --> 00:36:02,623
And then we sense something's

705
00:36:02,664 --> 00:36:05,250
Is there an explanation

706
00:36:05,292 --> 00:36:06,960
seeing this old hag?

707
00:36:07,002 --> 00:36:08,545
[Dr. Breus] Yeah.

708
00:36:08,587 --> 00:36:10,255
It seems pretty

709
00:36:10,297 --> 00:36:12,424
So if you go to Newfoundland

710
00:36:12,466 --> 00:36:15,344
research on sleep paralysis

711
00:36:15,385 --> 00:36:17,846
That's actually where we get the

712
00:36:17,888 --> 00:36:20,390
It means hag rid

713
00:36:20,432 --> 00:36:22,392
because they would report

714
00:36:22,434 --> 00:36:23,936
after these events.

715
00:36:23,977 --> 00:36:27,314
But if you go down to um,

716
00:36:27,356 --> 00:36:28,106
by the Popo Bawa

717
00:36:28,106 --> 00:36:30,859
which was a giant black bat

718
00:36:30,901 --> 00:36:32,611
If you're in China,

719
00:36:32,653 --> 00:36:34,529
you might experience ghost

720
00:36:34,571 --> 00:36:36,281
where a ghost is on top of you.

721
00:36:36,323 --> 00:36:38,825
And if you're

722
00:36:38,867 --> 00:36:42,788
you might think you're being

723
00:36:42,829 --> 00:36:45,874
There's a number of different

724
00:36:45,916 --> 00:36:48,043
sort of culture specific.

725
00:36:48,085 --> 00:36:52,047
Now we've all heard the urban

726
00:36:52,089 --> 00:36:55,342
from fright in their sleep

727
00:36:55,384 --> 00:36:57,552
scared to death.

728
00:36:57,594 --> 00:37:00,889
Is it possible that someone

729
00:37:00,931 --> 00:37:04,393
from what they perceive

730
00:37:04,434 --> 00:37:07,562
Some very serious cardiologists

731
00:37:07,604 --> 00:37:09,356
to be scared to death.

732
00:37:09,398 --> 00:37:11,525
Just tell me I'm not gonna die.

733
00:37:20,325 --> 00:37:23,328
Some very serious cardiologists

734
00:37:23,370 --> 00:37:24,830
to be scared to death.

735
00:37:24,871 --> 00:37:28,458
And the way it happens

736
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:31,503
much more than normal

737
00:37:31,545 --> 00:37:34,298
which causes an arrythmia

738
00:37:34,339 --> 00:37:35,966
incompatible with human life.

739
00:37:36,008 --> 00:37:38,427
So it is exceedingly rare,

740
00:37:38,468 --> 00:37:40,887
but it's a

741
00:37:40,929 --> 00:37:43,682
You're familiar with the Hmong

742
00:37:43,724 --> 00:37:45,851
later died in their sleep

743
00:37:45,892 --> 00:37:47,936
either when they were in the

744
00:37:47,978 --> 00:37:50,022
or once they came

745
00:37:50,063 --> 00:37:51,857
One of the things that's really

746
00:37:51,898 --> 00:37:53,525
the Hmong is they were animists,

747
00:37:53,567 --> 00:37:55,694
so they believed that there were

748
00:37:55,736 --> 00:37:59,990
in people, not just in animals,

749
00:38:00,032 --> 00:38:01,867
in certain

750
00:38:01,908 --> 00:38:03,452
And if your soul left you,

751
00:38:03,493 --> 00:38:05,454
you could be in danger

752
00:38:05,495 --> 00:38:07,456
They also had beliefs

753
00:38:07,497 --> 00:38:09,458
that could kill you as well.

754
00:38:09,499 --> 00:38:11,293
And if you did the right things,

755
00:38:11,335 --> 00:38:12,878
you could pray

756
00:38:12,919 --> 00:38:15,422
if you visited shaman,

757
00:38:15,464 --> 00:38:16,882
so if you were visited

758
00:38:16,923 --> 00:38:18,675
they wouldn't kill you

759
00:38:18,717 --> 00:38:20,886
They usually give you a chance

760
00:38:20,927 --> 00:38:22,387
and make offerings.

761
00:38:22,429 --> 00:38:24,723
And so here you have a

762
00:38:24,765 --> 00:38:27,726
emigrated to America and where

763
00:38:27,768 --> 00:38:30,354
So they started believing

764
00:38:30,395 --> 00:38:33,523
by a particular demonic spirit

765
00:38:33,565 --> 00:38:34,900
which means pressing spirit.

766
00:38:34,941 --> 00:38:36,860
And the Hmong believed

767
00:38:36,902 --> 00:38:39,738
but they weren't able to

768
00:38:39,780 --> 00:38:41,698
When scientists got

769
00:38:41,740 --> 00:38:44,659
started figuring out,

770
00:38:44,701 --> 00:38:47,871
There's a very rare condition,

771
00:38:47,913 --> 00:38:49,956
in Asian men

772
00:38:49,998 --> 00:38:51,875
and it's called

773
00:38:51,917 --> 00:38:55,420
So this is a cardiac condition

774
00:38:55,462 --> 00:38:56,963
electrical conduction problem

775
00:38:57,005 --> 00:38:58,799
and you can die

776
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,928
And they're very hard

777
00:39:02,969 --> 00:39:05,430
So when we're looking at the

778
00:39:05,472 --> 00:39:08,892
were scientists able to say,

779
00:39:08,934 --> 00:39:11,645
with what happened to them,

780
00:39:11,686 --> 00:39:13,271
of elimination?

781
00:39:13,313 --> 00:39:15,816
From my understanding it started

782
00:39:15,857 --> 00:39:18,318
It was only later that

783
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,778
from what I understand,

784
00:39:19,820 --> 00:39:22,572
at least two genes that are

785
00:39:22,614 --> 00:39:26,910
You'd hear reports in the weeks

786
00:39:26,952 --> 00:39:29,704
In sleep they'd report really

787
00:39:29,746 --> 00:39:31,790
They'd report feeling paralyzed.

788
00:39:31,832 --> 00:39:35,377
So most scholars today believe

789
00:39:35,419 --> 00:39:38,713
what led to the people dying.

790
00:39:40,715 --> 00:39:42,676
You know, when I look at the

791
00:39:42,717 --> 00:39:47,806
I truly believe that

792
00:39:47,848 --> 00:39:49,349
something that happens.

793
00:39:49,391 --> 00:39:52,477
I think it's underreported.

794
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:53,979
When you first contacted me,

795
00:39:54,020 --> 00:39:58,358
we had talked about the

796
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,860
who died in their sleep.

797
00:39:59,901 --> 00:40:02,988
And you thought that it was

798
00:40:03,029 --> 00:40:05,490
as a result of sleep demons.

799
00:40:05,532 --> 00:40:07,659
Do you still believe that,

800
00:40:07,701 --> 00:40:09,619
I think there may be more to it.

801
00:40:09,661 --> 00:40:14,666
The wars, the displacement, the

802
00:40:14,708 --> 00:40:18,462
the genetic condition,

803
00:40:18,503 --> 00:40:23,008
created the perfect storm for

804
00:40:23,049 --> 00:40:24,718
For me, it's paranormal.

805
00:40:24,759 --> 00:40:26,553
It's something that

806
00:40:26,595 --> 00:40:29,556
It's beyond us.

807
00:40:30,056 --> 00:40:32,809
I saw her come up to me

808
00:40:32,851 --> 00:40:33,435
just like Ken did.

809
00:40:33,477 --> 00:40:36,855
I saw her get on my chest,

810
00:40:36,897 --> 00:40:38,648
It is real to me.

811
00:40:38,690 --> 00:40:41,067
But something Dr. Sharpless

812
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:43,737
and he explained that this

813
00:40:43,778 --> 00:40:44,404
in different cultures,

814
00:40:44,446 --> 00:40:48,366
but it's not always a

815
00:40:48,408 --> 00:40:48,825
But...

816
00:40:48,825 --> 00:40:52,704
In Zanzabar it's a giant bat.

817
00:40:52,746 --> 00:40:55,373
But it's still the

818
00:40:55,415 --> 00:40:57,375
It's still the air

819
00:40:57,417 --> 00:40:58,168
It's still the suffocation.

820
00:40:58,210 --> 00:41:01,880
Yes. And I think that when you

821
00:41:01,922 --> 00:41:04,633
there was something scientific

822
00:41:04,674 --> 00:41:07,552
at and it said, you know, this

823
00:41:07,594 --> 00:41:09,596
This was a period

824
00:41:09,638 --> 00:41:13,350
And that is absolute proof

825
00:41:13,391 --> 00:41:17,687
When Dr. Sharpless did say when

826
00:41:17,729 --> 00:41:20,315
of adrenaline that is how

827
00:41:20,357 --> 00:41:21,900
incompatible with life,

828
00:41:21,942 --> 00:41:24,611
that to me was always something

829
00:41:24,653 --> 00:41:29,032
So to hear a PhD talk about it

830
00:41:29,074 --> 00:41:31,409
that's very scary.

831
00:41:31,451 --> 00:41:35,956
The things that we harbor are

832
00:41:35,997 --> 00:41:39,459
So someone in your position who

833
00:41:39,501 --> 00:41:41,753
and have seen something

834
00:41:41,795 --> 00:41:44,965
and say this is an actual demon.

835
00:41:45,006 --> 00:41:47,050
It's something that's

836
00:41:47,092 --> 00:41:49,928
so we are really talking

837
00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:52,681
It's just a different way

838
00:41:53,974 --> 00:41:58,853
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839
00:42:01,815 --> 00:42:13,827
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