1 00:00:02,548 --> 00:00:04,425 - ♪ 2 00:00:04,467 --> 00:00:08,846 - JENNIFER: July 1977, 3 00:00:08,888 --> 00:00:11,223 A family picnic is interrupted 4 00:00:11,265 --> 00:00:13,642 when a dark figure emerges 5 00:00:13,684 --> 00:00:15,144 - [camera clicking] 6 00:00:15,186 --> 00:00:17,730 - JENNIFER: A moment captured 7 00:00:17,772 --> 00:00:20,441 of an alleged lake monster 8 00:00:20,483 --> 00:00:23,152 - SANDRA: I saw the head 9 00:00:23,194 --> 00:00:24,528 and then the back. 10 00:00:24,570 --> 00:00:27,073 - JENNIFER: For centuries, 11 00:00:27,114 --> 00:00:29,366 sea creature have been 12 00:00:29,408 --> 00:00:34,413 - And all of a sudden, out of 13 00:00:34,455 --> 00:00:37,333 - JENNIFER: Recent videos 14 00:00:37,374 --> 00:00:38,876 - MAN: Oh my God, the 15 00:00:38,918 --> 00:00:40,377 - JENNIFER: Now a 16 00:00:40,419 --> 00:00:42,838 new sonar images reveal 17 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,634 of two unknown creatures 18 00:00:46,675 --> 00:00:49,470 - KATY: These definitely 19 00:00:51,597 --> 00:00:53,557 - JENNIFER: Is America's 20 00:00:53,599 --> 00:00:55,851 prowling the waters of Lake 21 00:00:55,893 --> 00:00:58,687 Or is this just one more 22 00:00:58,729 --> 00:01:00,397 What? 23 00:01:00,439 --> 00:01:02,274 humps on it, you see that? 24 00:01:02,316 --> 00:01:03,692 - JENNIFER: My name's 25 00:01:03,734 --> 00:01:05,568 After serving in 26 00:01:05,611 --> 00:01:07,279 a private investigator. 27 00:01:07,321 --> 00:01:11,784 Now I'm decoding the mystery 28 00:01:11,826 --> 00:01:17,832 - ♪ 29 00:01:19,750 --> 00:01:22,837 - ♪ 30 00:01:22,878 --> 00:01:25,214 - JENNIFER: Sightings of 31 00:01:25,256 --> 00:01:27,091 surface around the world. 32 00:01:27,133 --> 00:01:30,094 These giant, seemingly 33 00:01:30,136 --> 00:01:32,847 are reported lurking in the 34 00:01:32,888 --> 00:01:35,224 on nearly every continent. 35 00:01:35,266 --> 00:01:38,561 From Scotland's Nessy and 36 00:01:38,602 --> 00:01:42,314 to the Phi-naga of Thailand 37 00:01:42,356 --> 00:01:45,192 of Africa's Lake Victoria. 38 00:01:45,234 --> 00:01:47,278 Are these widespread 39 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,364 that descendants of 40 00:01:51,823 --> 00:01:54,577 Now new evidence that 41 00:01:54,618 --> 00:01:57,829 is coming from the northeast 42 00:01:57,872 --> 00:02:01,458 Lake Champlain stretches for 43 00:02:01,500 --> 00:02:03,627 of Vermont and New York. 44 00:02:03,669 --> 00:02:05,629 Most people don't know 45 00:02:05,671 --> 00:02:09,299 four times greater than 46 00:02:09,340 --> 00:02:12,052 Many people here do believe 47 00:02:12,094 --> 00:02:15,723 of undiscovered sea 48 00:02:15,764 --> 00:02:17,683 I'm on my way to meet 49 00:02:17,725 --> 00:02:20,644 Nick Valenzuela, who believes 50 00:02:20,686 --> 00:02:24,315 information could in fact 51 00:02:24,356 --> 00:02:27,735 of a Champ-like animal in 52 00:02:27,776 --> 00:02:30,571 It's a beautiful lake. 53 00:02:30,613 --> 00:02:32,573 - You know, I think if I 54 00:02:32,615 --> 00:02:34,074 I'd see something. 55 00:02:34,116 --> 00:02:36,118 - I love cryptozoology 56 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,662 with the unknown ever 57 00:02:38,704 --> 00:02:40,831 The idea that there's hidden 58 00:02:40,873 --> 00:02:42,833 that science has kind of 59 00:02:42,875 --> 00:02:44,543 is really what drives me. 60 00:02:44,585 --> 00:02:47,254 There's been over 600 61 00:02:47,296 --> 00:02:49,589 in this area, claim to see 62 00:02:49,632 --> 00:02:51,258 like a sea monster. 63 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:54,220 The world's a very big place, 64 00:02:54,261 --> 00:02:57,264 I think this lake, as deep 65 00:02:57,306 --> 00:03:00,100 as it is, might just be the 66 00:03:00,142 --> 00:03:01,518 - So why look into it now? 67 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,520 - NICK: There's a Champ 68 00:03:03,562 --> 00:03:05,022 she has brand-new evidence. 69 00:03:05,064 --> 00:03:07,274 I'd love for you to take a 70 00:03:07,316 --> 00:03:10,110 get your professional opinion 71 00:03:10,152 --> 00:03:11,320 - I don't think I'm ready to 72 00:03:11,362 --> 00:03:12,029 that there may be 73 00:03:12,071 --> 00:03:14,740 that we don't know about. 74 00:03:14,782 --> 00:03:17,701 every day, so who are we 75 00:03:17,743 --> 00:03:19,954 every single thing 76 00:03:19,995 --> 00:03:22,790 There's a lot to dig into 77 00:03:22,831 --> 00:03:24,667 the new evidence, we're 78 00:03:24,708 --> 00:03:26,418 about the Champ sightings. 79 00:03:29,088 --> 00:03:31,173 The ECHO Leahy Center is a 80 00:03:31,215 --> 00:03:34,134 right on Lake Champlain with 81 00:03:34,176 --> 00:03:36,387 Local historian Thea Lewis 82 00:03:36,428 --> 00:03:39,265 to give us a breakdown 83 00:03:39,306 --> 00:03:41,725 - How long do these stories 84 00:03:41,767 --> 00:03:43,226 - They go back so far. 85 00:03:43,269 --> 00:03:45,604 Champ predates the visit 86 00:03:45,646 --> 00:03:47,106 of Samuel de Champlain. 87 00:03:47,147 --> 00:03:48,649 - NICK: And Champlain 88 00:03:48,691 --> 00:03:49,274 the monster, correct? 89 00:03:49,274 --> 00:03:51,402 - THEA: He did. 90 00:03:51,443 --> 00:03:52,653 sightings since then. 91 00:03:52,695 --> 00:03:54,488 Not too far from here, a 92 00:03:54,530 --> 00:03:56,657 caught some video. 93 00:03:56,699 --> 00:03:58,826 He saw the water begin to 94 00:03:58,867 --> 00:04:02,538 telltale humps. 95 00:04:02,579 --> 00:04:04,581 - JENNIFER: Can you tell 96 00:04:04,623 --> 00:04:07,710 - The very first credible 97 00:04:07,751 --> 00:04:10,421 was taken by Sandra Mansi 98 00:04:10,462 --> 00:04:13,173 at a time when people 99 00:04:13,215 --> 00:04:13,966 to doctor things. 100 00:04:14,008 --> 00:04:18,262 The photo is housed now at the 101 00:04:22,766 --> 00:04:24,643 The photo is right over here. 102 00:04:26,812 --> 00:04:30,649 When scientists looked at 103 00:04:30,691 --> 00:04:32,443 they were astonished. 104 00:04:34,611 --> 00:04:36,196 - JENNIFER: It's quite the 105 00:04:36,238 --> 00:04:37,781 - THEA: And this is Sandra. 106 00:04:39,491 --> 00:04:40,701 - JENNIFER: What do you 107 00:04:40,743 --> 00:04:43,120 could possibly be if he does 108 00:04:43,162 --> 00:04:44,621 - NICK: One of the most 109 00:04:44,663 --> 00:04:47,416 is that Champ is a plesiosaur, 110 00:04:47,458 --> 00:04:49,626 and fall in line with the 111 00:04:49,668 --> 00:04:51,420 Plesiosaurs were actually 112 00:04:51,462 --> 00:04:55,341 so they would have to come 113 00:04:55,382 --> 00:04:56,925 - JENNIFER: I understand 114 00:04:56,967 --> 00:04:59,345 the Mansi photograph 115 00:04:59,386 --> 00:05:00,804 It does seem to match the 116 00:05:00,846 --> 00:05:02,806 of a swimming dinosaur. 117 00:05:02,848 --> 00:05:05,100 But I need more scientific data 118 00:05:05,142 --> 00:05:06,852 and I know who has it. 119 00:05:06,894 --> 00:05:09,521 Benjamin Radford is an 120 00:05:09,563 --> 00:05:11,565 with more than 20 books 121 00:05:11,607 --> 00:05:13,776 including Lake Monster 122 00:05:13,817 --> 00:05:16,820 His science-based analysis 123 00:05:16,862 --> 00:05:20,324 is taught as curriculum at 124 00:05:20,366 --> 00:05:23,202 I wanted to ask you about 125 00:05:23,243 --> 00:05:25,871 How often is it that we 126 00:05:25,913 --> 00:05:28,457 - It's possible we can still 127 00:05:28,499 --> 00:05:31,460 it's less and less likely with 128 00:05:31,502 --> 00:05:34,171 Most of what people are 129 00:05:34,213 --> 00:05:36,840 That being said, unusual, 130 00:05:36,882 --> 00:05:38,384 they're still being found. 131 00:05:38,425 --> 00:05:40,386 For example, off the coast 132 00:05:40,427 --> 00:05:42,513 there was what's called a 133 00:05:42,554 --> 00:05:44,431 which is, like, 150 feet long. 134 00:05:44,473 --> 00:05:48,394 This really long, stringy 135 00:05:48,435 --> 00:05:51,229 that sort of become a colony, 136 00:05:51,271 --> 00:05:53,857 - JENNIFER: Now I know that 137 00:05:53,899 --> 00:05:57,528 that is yet to be explored, 138 00:05:57,569 --> 00:05:59,863 - Well, a lake presents an 139 00:05:59,905 --> 00:06:02,241 Many of these lakes are 140 00:06:02,282 --> 00:06:04,451 so they're not easy to explore. 141 00:06:04,493 --> 00:06:06,620 These are deep lakes, 142 00:06:06,662 --> 00:06:08,789 and it's hard to know what's 143 00:06:08,831 --> 00:06:10,374 - What about Lake 144 00:06:10,416 --> 00:06:12,376 - Many lakes, including 145 00:06:12,418 --> 00:06:13,836 were once connected to 146 00:06:13,877 --> 00:06:15,838 In theory, it's possible that 147 00:06:15,879 --> 00:06:18,715 in there and had remained 148 00:06:18,757 --> 00:06:20,259 landlocked. 149 00:06:20,300 --> 00:06:23,303 Lake Champlain is the original 150 00:06:23,345 --> 00:06:24,805 It's a fascinating story. 151 00:06:24,847 --> 00:06:26,473 I've done lots of research 152 00:06:26,515 --> 00:06:28,350 I've got photos, interviews, 153 00:06:28,392 --> 00:06:29,935 I'll be happy to send it to you. 154 00:06:29,977 --> 00:06:33,313 - JENNIFER: I'd love to 155 00:06:33,354 --> 00:06:35,816 After seeing Ben's example 156 00:06:35,858 --> 00:06:37,568 sea creature, 157 00:06:37,609 --> 00:06:40,237 that Champ may not be 158 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,073 Legends of creatures lurking 159 00:06:43,115 --> 00:06:45,951 stretch from Nessy and 160 00:06:45,993 --> 00:06:48,537 the Lagarfljot Worm in 161 00:06:48,579 --> 00:06:51,623 and the Lariosauro 162 00:06:51,665 --> 00:06:54,168 Others, such as the alleged 163 00:06:54,209 --> 00:06:56,962 by a Japanese trawler 164 00:06:57,003 --> 00:07:00,048 caused a sensation in the 165 00:07:00,090 --> 00:07:03,010 As did a suspicious sea 166 00:07:03,051 --> 00:07:06,680 and colossal body which 167 00:07:06,722 --> 00:07:08,182 in 2001. 168 00:07:08,223 --> 00:07:11,226 But are these creatures 169 00:07:11,268 --> 00:07:12,728 or us to them? 170 00:07:15,981 --> 00:07:18,525 Now I'm even more curious 171 00:07:18,567 --> 00:07:21,737 Nick mentioned and see 172 00:07:21,778 --> 00:07:23,989 How did you end up getting 173 00:07:24,031 --> 00:07:25,908 - NICK: I grew up in a 174 00:07:25,949 --> 00:07:27,618 with a rich folkloric 175 00:07:27,659 --> 00:07:29,953 There's an old Mexican tale 176 00:07:29,995 --> 00:07:32,080 hidden creatures out there 177 00:07:32,122 --> 00:07:33,707 about, that we can't really 178 00:07:33,749 --> 00:07:35,209 sometimes science can't 179 00:07:35,250 --> 00:07:37,753 I just kept diving into the 180 00:07:37,794 --> 00:07:41,215 Now we're going after 181 00:07:41,256 --> 00:07:43,550 There she is. 182 00:07:43,592 --> 00:07:45,552 Hey, Katy. 183 00:07:45,594 --> 00:07:47,471 - JENNIFER: Cryptozoologist 184 00:07:47,513 --> 00:07:49,681 claims to have new evidence 185 00:07:49,723 --> 00:07:51,725 the existence of Champ. 186 00:07:51,767 --> 00:07:53,227 - There's been many 187 00:07:53,268 --> 00:07:55,729 in the marsh systems 188 00:07:55,771 --> 00:07:58,482 So I use these game 189 00:07:58,524 --> 00:08:00,859 hot spots where there have 190 00:08:00,901 --> 00:08:03,612 Now, this is some of my 191 00:08:03,654 --> 00:08:05,489 This is a sonar image. 192 00:08:05,531 --> 00:08:08,742 This right here is two 193 00:08:08,784 --> 00:08:11,828 The one of the right-hand 194 00:08:11,870 --> 00:08:13,539 that's why it's so blurry. 195 00:08:13,580 --> 00:08:18,168 So these definitely were 196 00:08:18,210 --> 00:08:20,503 This right here is actually 197 00:08:20,546 --> 00:08:23,632 followed by little tiny bubbles 198 00:08:23,674 --> 00:08:25,467 air out of its nose. 199 00:08:25,509 --> 00:08:27,594 - Roughly how big would 200 00:08:27,636 --> 00:08:30,681 - KATY: I would say 201 00:08:30,722 --> 00:08:32,599 which is a very big specimen. 202 00:08:32,641 --> 00:08:34,184 - Now is there anything 203 00:08:34,225 --> 00:08:36,936 within the ecosystem that 204 00:08:36,979 --> 00:08:38,522 sonar image? 205 00:08:38,564 --> 00:08:42,234 - KATY: There's no fish, 206 00:08:42,276 --> 00:08:44,820 Native tribes talked about 207 00:08:44,861 --> 00:08:48,115 with that horse-like head. 208 00:08:48,156 --> 00:08:50,701 This is the Mansi photograph 209 00:08:50,742 --> 00:08:52,869 and here is a horn-like 210 00:08:52,911 --> 00:08:55,497 on top of the head that the 211 00:08:55,539 --> 00:08:59,001 and Iroquois tribes talked 212 00:08:59,042 --> 00:09:01,670 - JENNIFER: Native Americans 213 00:09:01,712 --> 00:09:04,715 told stories of a mysterious 214 00:09:04,756 --> 00:09:06,550 that was said to dwell there. 215 00:09:06,592 --> 00:09:09,595 The rock and surrounding 216 00:09:09,636 --> 00:09:11,763 And the natives believed 217 00:09:11,805 --> 00:09:15,225 of a spirit called Tatoskog, 218 00:09:15,267 --> 00:09:18,061 of a giant serpent or lizard. 219 00:09:18,103 --> 00:09:20,647 But myths are easily spawned. 220 00:09:20,689 --> 00:09:23,692 A species with only a couple 221 00:09:23,734 --> 00:09:28,196 is highly unlikely to have 222 00:09:28,238 --> 00:09:30,157 Now these sonar images, 223 00:09:30,198 --> 00:09:31,658 that you have? 224 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:35,454 - Here is a video that I 225 00:09:35,495 --> 00:09:39,041 on Lake Champlain, and this 226 00:09:48,050 --> 00:09:50,552 - NICK: Have you ever seen 227 00:09:50,594 --> 00:09:52,763 that's comparable to the 228 00:09:52,804 --> 00:09:55,057 of what's in the video? 229 00:09:55,098 --> 00:09:57,476 I've seen sturgeon in the 230 00:09:57,517 --> 00:09:59,811 very very large, around 7 231 00:09:59,853 --> 00:10:01,730 but nothing of that size. 232 00:10:01,772 --> 00:10:04,733 You start to think to yourself, 233 00:10:04,775 --> 00:10:07,152 "a myth that the Native 234 00:10:07,194 --> 00:10:09,488 "this is actually real. 235 00:10:09,529 --> 00:10:10,947 "This is Champ." 236 00:10:10,989 --> 00:10:11,698 - JENNIFER: If we find 237 00:10:11,698 --> 00:10:16,036 this could change what we 238 00:10:20,624 --> 00:10:24,503 - ♪ 239 00:10:24,544 --> 00:10:26,672 - MAN: Oh my God, it's 240 00:10:26,713 --> 00:10:28,131 - WOMAN: I know, I see it. 241 00:10:28,173 --> 00:10:29,633 - JENNIFER: Researcher 242 00:10:29,675 --> 00:10:32,219 new sonar and video evidence 243 00:10:32,260 --> 00:10:34,304 of a lake monster dubbed 244 00:10:34,346 --> 00:10:35,806 - MAN: Wow, wow, wow, 245 00:10:35,847 --> 00:10:37,933 - NICK: I'm pretty confident 246 00:10:37,974 --> 00:10:39,685 I'm excited to go find him. 247 00:10:39,726 --> 00:10:42,813 - The data that Katy collected 248 00:10:42,854 --> 00:10:45,023 but I really wanna go out 249 00:10:45,065 --> 00:10:46,775 for myself what we can 250 00:10:46,817 --> 00:10:52,739 - ♪ 251 00:10:54,700 --> 00:10:56,159 - Here we go, guys. 252 00:10:56,201 --> 00:10:57,828 We're gonna go look for 253 00:10:57,869 --> 00:10:59,037 - NICK: Let's do it! 254 00:10:59,079 --> 00:11:04,918 - ♪ 255 00:11:05,502 --> 00:11:08,004 - NICK: You think there's 256 00:11:08,046 --> 00:11:10,799 to things like Nessy, 257 00:11:10,841 --> 00:11:13,051 Do you think they're all 258 00:11:13,093 --> 00:11:14,761 - I do. 259 00:11:14,803 --> 00:11:16,680 that are very very similar. 260 00:11:16,722 --> 00:11:18,598 There has been reports in 261 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,100 but there was also some 262 00:11:20,142 --> 00:11:22,686 in Lake Okanagan in British 263 00:11:22,728 --> 00:11:25,689 - You said your second day here, 264 00:11:25,731 --> 00:11:28,024 - Yeah, it was around 15 265 00:11:28,066 --> 00:11:31,027 blackish in color, and it 266 00:11:31,069 --> 00:11:33,029 on a table, it was so bizarre. 267 00:11:33,071 --> 00:11:35,741 I'm thinking to myself, "Okay, 268 00:11:35,782 --> 00:11:36,366 "this isn't sturgeon. 269 00:11:36,408 --> 00:11:39,661 "Sturgeon cannot move in 270 00:11:39,703 --> 00:11:40,912 And I was just amazed. 271 00:11:40,954 --> 00:11:43,290 I was so excited that I 272 00:11:43,331 --> 00:11:44,791 that I could not explain. 273 00:11:47,836 --> 00:11:51,673 Right now we're in about 274 00:11:51,715 --> 00:11:55,051 Looking for anything strange 275 00:11:55,093 --> 00:11:57,637 especially something long 276 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,097 The body shape of Champ. 277 00:11:59,139 --> 00:12:00,932 - JENNIFER: I do like the 278 00:12:00,974 --> 00:12:03,059 because you can actually 279 00:12:03,101 --> 00:12:04,561 Now, what it is... 280 00:12:04,603 --> 00:12:07,814 I think I would have to 281 00:12:07,856 --> 00:12:09,107 beyond a sonar image-- 282 00:12:10,776 --> 00:12:12,068 - KATY: Oh yeah. 283 00:12:13,737 --> 00:12:15,739 It definitely looks quite 284 00:12:15,781 --> 00:12:18,074 - OBE: It's got the three 285 00:12:18,116 --> 00:12:19,910 - Yeah, it does. 286 00:12:19,951 --> 00:12:22,245 - KATY: Right now we are 287 00:12:22,287 --> 00:12:24,664 and yeah, this image right 288 00:12:24,706 --> 00:12:26,875 It almost looks like it's 289 00:12:26,917 --> 00:12:28,251 a little bit. 290 00:12:28,293 --> 00:12:30,629 And it looks to appear to 291 00:12:30,670 --> 00:12:34,674 which is very consistent with, 292 00:12:34,716 --> 00:12:36,802 - We're out on the lake for 293 00:12:36,843 --> 00:12:38,553 there's a sonar image we 294 00:12:38,595 --> 00:12:39,846 it looks exactly like Champ. 295 00:12:39,888 --> 00:12:41,681 This is my first time on 296 00:12:41,723 --> 00:12:44,017 and Katy says that this isn't 297 00:12:44,059 --> 00:12:47,020 or sees very often so it 298 00:12:47,062 --> 00:12:49,648 Either way, we're feeling 299 00:12:52,859 --> 00:12:54,861 What do you think brings 300 00:12:54,903 --> 00:12:56,905 - Basically feeding. 301 00:12:56,947 --> 00:12:59,199 of these animals 302 00:12:59,241 --> 00:13:00,784 fish jumping about, 303 00:13:00,826 --> 00:13:03,537 and then these animals 304 00:13:03,578 --> 00:13:05,622 - JENNIFER: If they are 305 00:13:05,664 --> 00:13:07,499 shouldn't we be seeing 306 00:13:07,541 --> 00:13:11,086 - Going by studies of 307 00:13:11,127 --> 00:13:14,047 there's been some that can go 308 00:13:14,089 --> 00:13:15,674 without food. 309 00:13:15,715 --> 00:13:18,093 I believe they go 310 00:13:18,134 --> 00:13:19,845 So nature has a way. 311 00:13:19,886 --> 00:13:22,264 - So Katy, here's the 312 00:13:22,305 --> 00:13:25,141 what exactly do you think 313 00:13:25,183 --> 00:13:27,519 - I believe, even though 314 00:13:27,561 --> 00:13:30,021 like a plesiosaur, they're 315 00:13:30,063 --> 00:13:31,606 in our known fossil record. 316 00:13:33,650 --> 00:13:39,489 - ♪ 317 00:13:39,531 --> 00:13:41,700 - NICK: You know, Katy had 318 00:13:41,741 --> 00:13:43,660 She spent so many years 319 00:13:43,702 --> 00:13:46,037 you know, I do think there's 320 00:13:46,079 --> 00:13:48,290 The sonar images are really 321 00:13:48,331 --> 00:13:50,584 - She is very passionate 322 00:13:50,625 --> 00:13:53,211 which I can appreciate, 323 00:13:53,253 --> 00:13:55,380 to some experts in the field 324 00:13:55,422 --> 00:13:58,466 what their opinion is and 325 00:13:58,508 --> 00:14:01,011 We've come back to the 326 00:14:01,052 --> 00:14:03,179 the Mansi photograph. 327 00:14:03,221 --> 00:14:04,973 This is the original Mansi 328 00:14:05,015 --> 00:14:07,058 and it was taken on an 329 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:09,102 Now, when you're looking 330 00:14:09,144 --> 00:14:11,271 it becomes rather blurry, 331 00:14:11,313 --> 00:14:13,523 what you wanna see. 332 00:14:13,565 --> 00:14:16,484 of the original so I can see 333 00:14:16,526 --> 00:14:18,028 lurking in the image. 334 00:14:18,069 --> 00:14:19,988 - NINA: What we know 335 00:14:20,030 --> 00:14:21,865 is that it is an authentic 336 00:14:21,907 --> 00:14:24,451 been doctored, that was 337 00:14:24,492 --> 00:14:26,578 during a family trip to Lake 338 00:14:26,620 --> 00:14:29,247 - JENNIFER: ECHO science 339 00:14:29,289 --> 00:14:33,001 is giving us an exact-size 340 00:14:33,043 --> 00:14:35,253 - NINA: I'm interested to 341 00:14:35,295 --> 00:14:37,964 - NICK: I see a lake monster. 342 00:14:38,006 --> 00:14:39,925 - So I believe that photo is 343 00:14:39,966 --> 00:14:42,928 I think what's in that photo 344 00:14:42,969 --> 00:14:45,180 - Is Lake Champlain large 345 00:14:45,221 --> 00:14:47,432 a creature like a plesiosaur? 346 00:14:47,474 --> 00:14:49,309 - NINA: So plesiosaur is a 347 00:14:49,351 --> 00:14:51,311 of what Champ could be, 348 00:14:51,353 --> 00:14:52,646 were a real animal. 349 00:14:52,687 --> 00:14:54,564 The challenge with a 350 00:14:54,606 --> 00:14:56,399 as far as we know, 351 00:14:56,441 --> 00:14:58,068 66 million years ago. 352 00:14:58,109 --> 00:15:00,654 - How likely do you think it 353 00:15:00,695 --> 00:15:02,447 we just haven't identified 354 00:15:02,489 --> 00:15:04,282 - NINA: There are certainly 355 00:15:04,324 --> 00:15:07,327 that have been found that 356 00:15:07,369 --> 00:15:10,455 And today everyone accepts 357 00:15:10,497 --> 00:15:13,083 but at some point, the 358 00:15:13,124 --> 00:15:14,417 as Champ. 359 00:15:14,459 --> 00:15:17,128 It was this mammal that 360 00:15:17,170 --> 00:15:20,465 is also venomous, 361 00:15:20,507 --> 00:15:22,467 And if you heard those 362 00:15:22,509 --> 00:15:24,010 "That is not a real animal." 363 00:15:24,052 --> 00:15:25,261 - NICK: So, with that being 364 00:15:25,303 --> 00:15:27,222 you, as a woman of hard 365 00:15:27,263 --> 00:15:29,307 do you believe in Champ? 366 00:15:29,349 --> 00:15:31,977 - NINA: I believe in the 367 00:15:32,018 --> 00:15:34,312 of what Champ could be 368 00:15:34,354 --> 00:15:36,272 could live in Lake Champlain. 369 00:15:37,607 --> 00:15:41,277 - ♪ 370 00:15:41,319 --> 00:15:43,655 - NICK: I think Nina brought 371 00:15:43,697 --> 00:15:47,283 Over 600 years of stories 372 00:15:47,325 --> 00:15:49,661 I don't really think that can 373 00:15:49,703 --> 00:15:51,871 - I am someone who's very 374 00:15:51,913 --> 00:15:54,124 and facts and figures, but 375 00:15:54,165 --> 00:15:58,003 to be said about legend 376 00:15:58,044 --> 00:15:59,879 that occur over hundreds 377 00:15:59,921 --> 00:16:01,673 and I'm not ready to just 378 00:16:01,715 --> 00:16:03,049 right off the bat. 379 00:16:03,091 --> 00:16:04,592 Any time that something 380 00:16:04,634 --> 00:16:06,594 I always have to give it 381 00:16:06,636 --> 00:16:08,179 There's so many eyewitness 382 00:16:08,221 --> 00:16:10,306 that we need to look into it. 383 00:16:10,348 --> 00:16:15,478 - ♪ 384 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,439 - NICK: There have been 385 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,275 credible reports that can't 386 00:16:20,316 --> 00:16:22,569 Two eyewitnesses from 387 00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:25,572 and Jim Carroll, have agreed 388 00:16:25,613 --> 00:16:29,034 - My wife and I were taking 389 00:16:29,075 --> 00:16:32,370 The lake was just like glass, 390 00:16:32,412 --> 00:16:35,373 The only boat there was this 391 00:16:35,415 --> 00:16:37,625 the shore from the Crown 392 00:16:37,667 --> 00:16:39,544 There were no features to 393 00:16:39,586 --> 00:16:43,882 there were no masts, 394 00:16:43,923 --> 00:16:47,886 So very slowly this thing 395 00:16:47,927 --> 00:16:50,055 and submerged under the water. 396 00:16:50,096 --> 00:16:53,099 What we saw was 15 to 397 00:16:53,141 --> 00:16:55,685 That would be the part 398 00:16:58,104 --> 00:17:00,398 - And Jim, what was your 399 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,318 - When I was a young kid, 400 00:17:04,360 --> 00:17:07,113 it was dead calm flat, 401 00:17:07,154 --> 00:17:07,739 I was the observer. 402 00:17:07,780 --> 00:17:10,365 And when I looked forward, 403 00:17:10,408 --> 00:17:12,952 something about that wide 404 00:17:12,994 --> 00:17:15,121 it was a little 16-foot 405 00:17:15,163 --> 00:17:15,747 right next to us. 406 00:17:15,788 --> 00:17:18,917 All we saw was sort of a 407 00:17:18,958 --> 00:17:21,251 of a hump, and then nothing 408 00:17:21,294 --> 00:17:24,547 the other way. 409 00:17:24,588 --> 00:17:26,966 You know, whatever it was 410 00:17:27,008 --> 00:17:29,135 So we spun the wheel and 411 00:17:29,177 --> 00:17:32,931 not to ski for the rest of 412 00:17:32,972 --> 00:17:34,432 - NICK: Do you consider 413 00:17:34,474 --> 00:17:36,184 a believer in Champ? 414 00:17:36,226 --> 00:17:37,936 - JIM: I have no reason not 415 00:17:37,977 --> 00:17:39,187 Whatever it was was 416 00:17:39,229 --> 00:17:41,022 This was something that 417 00:17:41,064 --> 00:17:42,315 as we were moving. 418 00:17:42,357 --> 00:17:44,275 It was swimming alongside 419 00:17:44,317 --> 00:17:46,694 It's something that is alive. 420 00:17:51,658 --> 00:17:54,077 - ♪ 421 00:17:56,287 --> 00:17:57,956 - JENNIFER: We're here at 422 00:17:57,997 --> 00:17:59,624 investigating claims that 423 00:17:59,666 --> 00:18:01,793 of sea monster prowling 424 00:18:01,835 --> 00:18:04,337 I am notoriously dubious 425 00:18:04,379 --> 00:18:06,422 but I think there's something 426 00:18:06,464 --> 00:18:09,425 about these accounts lasting 427 00:18:09,467 --> 00:18:11,261 To make the most of our 428 00:18:11,302 --> 00:18:13,388 Nick and I are splitting up 429 00:18:13,429 --> 00:18:15,473 with more people who may 430 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,352 - NICK: Alright. 431 00:18:21,479 --> 00:18:23,565 I heard there's an eyewitness 432 00:18:23,606 --> 00:18:25,066 who lives just up the lake. 433 00:18:25,108 --> 00:18:27,277 I wanna see exactly where 434 00:18:27,318 --> 00:18:31,156 - ♪ 435 00:18:31,197 --> 00:18:33,449 - NICK: Kayaking out here 436 00:18:33,491 --> 00:18:36,870 of how vast this lake is. 437 00:18:36,911 --> 00:18:39,914 It just goes on and on as 438 00:18:42,250 --> 00:18:45,086 In cryptozoology, we study 439 00:18:45,128 --> 00:18:47,046 thought to have died out 440 00:18:47,088 --> 00:18:48,590 could have survived. 441 00:18:48,631 --> 00:18:51,217 Lake Champlain formed 442 00:18:51,259 --> 00:18:54,512 so at one time, animals that 443 00:18:54,554 --> 00:18:56,639 must have lived here. 444 00:18:56,681 --> 00:19:02,437 - ♪ 445 00:19:06,566 --> 00:19:08,860 - NICK: I'm here at the 446 00:19:08,902 --> 00:19:10,361 who claims she's seen Champ 447 00:19:10,403 --> 00:19:12,155 How long have you lived 448 00:19:12,197 --> 00:19:14,157 - I'm 93, forever. 449 00:19:14,199 --> 00:19:16,910 - NICK: If I'm not mistaken, 450 00:19:16,951 --> 00:19:18,453 out here on Lake Champlain. 451 00:19:18,494 --> 00:19:21,372 - Well, it was about 35 452 00:19:21,414 --> 00:19:26,419 And that night, I heard the 453 00:19:26,461 --> 00:19:28,421 And I was looking out the 454 00:19:28,463 --> 00:19:29,964 and it was all foggy. 455 00:19:30,006 --> 00:19:34,260 And all of a sudden, out of 456 00:19:36,429 --> 00:19:41,100 [unintelligible] and it was, 457 00:19:41,142 --> 00:19:44,312 There was the head, there 458 00:19:44,354 --> 00:19:47,899 and into the water, and 459 00:19:47,941 --> 00:19:51,611 Then it just turned around 460 00:19:51,653 --> 00:19:54,948 And then a couple weeks later, 461 00:19:54,989 --> 00:19:56,908 - What do you think you 462 00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:59,077 - I know I saw Champ. 463 00:19:59,118 --> 00:20:02,247 And I'll tell ya, 464 00:20:02,288 --> 00:20:04,415 You don't believe me? 465 00:20:04,457 --> 00:20:07,418 You can't take it away from me. 466 00:20:10,922 --> 00:20:14,259 - ♪ 467 00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:16,010 - JENNIFER: One thing that 468 00:20:16,052 --> 00:20:18,388 is finding so many people 469 00:20:18,429 --> 00:20:22,100 who are open to the 470 00:20:22,141 --> 00:20:25,061 Hillery York is a historian 471 00:20:25,103 --> 00:20:27,272 and extensive museum 472 00:20:27,313 --> 00:20:30,108 She's also a podcaster who's 473 00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:32,277 I've heard she has a lot of 474 00:20:32,318 --> 00:20:34,028 as to why the stories 475 00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:34,779 may be true. 476 00:20:34,779 --> 00:20:38,533 So what is it like being a 477 00:20:38,574 --> 00:20:42,120 based in fact, looking at 478 00:20:42,161 --> 00:20:44,205 - HILLERY: To me, 479 00:20:44,247 --> 00:20:46,666 little bits of evidence and 480 00:20:46,708 --> 00:20:49,627 what eyewitnesses have seen 481 00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:52,297 together and figure out 482 00:20:52,338 --> 00:20:54,299 - JENNIFER: What makes 483 00:20:54,340 --> 00:20:56,384 that something could be 484 00:20:56,426 --> 00:20:58,386 discovered? 485 00:20:58,428 --> 00:21:02,223 there was a glacier covering the 486 00:21:02,265 --> 00:21:07,895 And as that glacier receded, 487 00:21:07,937 --> 00:21:11,649 and connected the area to 488 00:21:11,691 --> 00:21:15,945 And when that happened, a 489 00:21:15,987 --> 00:21:19,574 And I could see that 490 00:21:19,615 --> 00:21:21,492 could have been caught in 491 00:21:21,534 --> 00:21:25,330 - How, theoretically, could it 492 00:21:25,371 --> 00:21:28,291 - So the lake is about 400 493 00:21:28,333 --> 00:21:31,002 and that's a perfect habitat 494 00:21:31,044 --> 00:21:33,629 that is hanging out and 495 00:21:33,671 --> 00:21:36,507 lower layers of, um, a lake. 496 00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:38,509 - So if we think that there 497 00:21:38,551 --> 00:21:41,637 that is several hundred 498 00:21:41,679 --> 00:21:44,223 what would make that 499 00:21:44,265 --> 00:21:46,976 from time to time? Is there 500 00:21:47,018 --> 00:21:49,520 - HILLERY: Lake Champlain 501 00:21:49,562 --> 00:21:52,315 because of something known 502 00:21:52,357 --> 00:21:55,276 And this happens in long, 503 00:21:55,318 --> 00:21:58,446 similar to Lake Champlain, 504 00:21:58,488 --> 00:22:02,617 And what is actually 505 00:22:02,658 --> 00:22:05,244 Winds that are over about 506 00:22:05,286 --> 00:22:08,498 actually displace water at 507 00:22:08,539 --> 00:22:10,375 pushing it to the other side. 508 00:22:10,416 --> 00:22:13,544 So it's creating this 509 00:22:13,586 --> 00:22:16,339 Now, there is essentially a 510 00:22:16,381 --> 00:22:21,177 under the surface that can be 511 00:22:21,219 --> 00:22:25,223 And it is taking the colder 512 00:22:25,264 --> 00:22:29,894 almost to the surface, and 513 00:22:29,936 --> 00:22:33,564 My theory is that it's actually 514 00:22:33,606 --> 00:22:37,985 that may exist at this lower 515 00:22:38,027 --> 00:22:40,571 - So it's not because of the 516 00:22:40,613 --> 00:22:42,240 that the creature would be 517 00:22:42,281 --> 00:22:44,992 it's because they're following 518 00:22:45,034 --> 00:22:48,913 - HILLERY: Yes, they're able 519 00:22:48,955 --> 00:22:49,664 - JENNIFER: But what is the 520 00:22:49,664 --> 00:22:54,419 that it could be debris or 521 00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:57,004 Why does it necessarily have 522 00:22:57,046 --> 00:22:57,797 that we're not aware of? 523 00:22:57,797 --> 00:23:02,260 - HILLERY: In the eyewitness 524 00:23:02,301 --> 00:23:06,472 actions that are very indicative 525 00:23:06,514 --> 00:23:08,933 The log wouldn't have these 526 00:23:08,975 --> 00:23:11,936 that are being described, 527 00:23:11,978 --> 00:23:14,772 bobbing up and down in a 528 00:23:14,814 --> 00:23:17,358 very snakelike and organic. 529 00:23:20,695 --> 00:23:24,574 - ♪ 530 00:23:27,743 --> 00:23:30,246 - NICK: 93 years of living here, 531 00:23:30,288 --> 00:23:33,499 you've had a front-row view 532 00:23:33,541 --> 00:23:35,251 - CHRISTINE: Yeah, 533 00:23:35,293 --> 00:23:35,877 Boy, I'll tell ya. 534 00:23:35,918 --> 00:23:38,713 - Christine, do you hope 535 00:23:38,754 --> 00:23:40,381 - No. 536 00:23:40,423 --> 00:23:41,757 Leave him alone. 537 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:44,927 I don't want him ever to 538 00:23:44,969 --> 00:23:47,680 He's just so beautiful, 539 00:23:47,722 --> 00:23:49,307 We got a big lake. 540 00:23:49,348 --> 00:23:51,976 Let everybody see him, 541 00:23:52,018 --> 00:23:53,603 - NICK: Christine has a good 542 00:23:53,644 --> 00:23:55,813 Finding Champ may not 543 00:23:55,855 --> 00:23:58,483 for Champ, we might 544 00:23:58,524 --> 00:23:59,734 and destroy the creature. 545 00:24:02,445 --> 00:24:04,655 Would you be able to sketch 546 00:24:04,697 --> 00:24:05,948 - I can try it. 547 00:24:08,326 --> 00:24:10,453 - When you close your eyes, 548 00:24:10,495 --> 00:24:12,497 - Oh, I can see him. 549 00:24:12,538 --> 00:24:14,540 moment to see a legend 550 00:24:14,582 --> 00:24:16,501 - Yup, and it was great. 551 00:24:19,420 --> 00:24:21,214 What do you think? 552 00:24:21,255 --> 00:24:24,926 - Wow, that looks like a 553 00:24:24,967 --> 00:24:26,594 That's amazing 554 00:24:32,892 --> 00:24:34,977 - ♪ 555 00:24:36,687 --> 00:24:38,814 - ♪ 556 00:24:38,856 --> 00:24:40,983 - Given your familiarity 557 00:24:41,025 --> 00:24:43,236 what would be the next 558 00:24:43,277 --> 00:24:45,530 what, if anything, is below 559 00:24:45,571 --> 00:24:47,949 - There's a relatively new 560 00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:50,409 that can be done in lakes 561 00:24:50,451 --> 00:24:52,578 called environmental 562 00:24:52,620 --> 00:24:55,915 And it's a great way to 563 00:24:55,957 --> 00:24:58,876 might be living under the 564 00:25:01,379 --> 00:25:01,963 - JENNIFER: According to 565 00:25:01,963 --> 00:25:04,423 detecting a new species 566 00:25:04,465 --> 00:25:05,925 a needle in a haystack. 567 00:25:05,967 --> 00:25:08,219 But this environmental 568 00:25:08,261 --> 00:25:10,596 which Hillery mentioned, is 569 00:25:10,638 --> 00:25:13,349 for IDing species which 570 00:25:13,391 --> 00:25:14,642 and wildlife. 571 00:25:14,684 --> 00:25:16,477 But how about unknown 572 00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:19,272 And if The Champ is related 573 00:25:19,313 --> 00:25:20,606 what is it? 574 00:25:20,648 --> 00:25:23,401 Fish, snake, or something 575 00:25:23,442 --> 00:25:26,404 under the radar that it can 576 00:25:26,445 --> 00:25:32,326 - ♪ 577 00:25:32,368 --> 00:25:34,787 - JENNIFER: After hearing from 578 00:25:34,829 --> 00:25:38,249 I'm curious to hear what more 579 00:25:38,291 --> 00:25:40,001 Benjamin Radford sent me 580 00:25:40,042 --> 00:25:41,961 for his book on lake monsters. 581 00:25:42,003 --> 00:25:44,463 He talked to Sandra Mansi 582 00:25:44,505 --> 00:25:45,965 before she passed away. 583 00:25:46,007 --> 00:25:48,801 His interview has never 584 00:25:48,843 --> 00:25:51,429 I'm also intrigued to meet 585 00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:52,179 what he's learned from 586 00:25:52,221 --> 00:25:55,016 with one of the earliest- 587 00:25:55,057 --> 00:25:56,559 of Champ. 588 00:25:58,352 --> 00:25:59,020 So you met with Christine? 589 00:25:59,061 --> 00:26:01,939 - NICK: Christine is 93 years 590 00:26:01,981 --> 00:26:03,566 as a tack. 591 00:26:03,608 --> 00:26:05,484 Classic plesiosaur sighting. 592 00:26:05,526 --> 00:26:09,238 Long neck, giant hump on 593 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,531 - Interesting. 594 00:26:10,573 --> 00:26:12,491 Well, witnesses certainly 595 00:26:12,533 --> 00:26:14,493 in any investigation, 596 00:26:14,535 --> 00:26:16,746 that I'm really passionate 597 00:26:16,787 --> 00:26:18,873 So I met with a historian 598 00:26:18,914 --> 00:26:21,626 and she does make a 599 00:26:21,667 --> 00:26:24,003 for the existence of 600 00:26:24,045 --> 00:26:25,546 in the lake. 601 00:26:25,588 --> 00:26:26,922 We talked about a 602 00:26:26,964 --> 00:26:28,799 environmental DNA, 603 00:26:28,841 --> 00:26:31,052 Have you heard of that? 604 00:26:31,093 --> 00:26:31,636 It's a really great way to 605 00:26:31,677 --> 00:26:33,888 what's actually living in 606 00:26:33,929 --> 00:26:36,057 - So if we could make an 607 00:26:36,098 --> 00:26:39,143 of some sort of what's 608 00:26:39,185 --> 00:26:40,519 - We might find Champ. 609 00:26:43,356 --> 00:26:44,857 - JENNIFER: We're going 610 00:26:44,899 --> 00:26:46,984 to collect some E-DNA 611 00:26:47,026 --> 00:26:49,236 if these creatures are more 612 00:26:53,282 --> 00:26:53,866 - OBE: Put your weight on 613 00:26:53,866 --> 00:26:55,660 - NICK: We're gonna collect 614 00:26:55,701 --> 00:26:57,203 from several spots where 615 00:26:57,244 --> 00:26:59,455 have been reported. 616 00:26:59,497 --> 00:27:01,248 - NICK: Marine biologists 617 00:27:01,290 --> 00:27:04,960 to capture samples at 618 00:27:05,002 --> 00:27:07,338 - KATY: You good? 619 00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:08,923 And dropping. 620 00:27:12,885 --> 00:27:15,346 - OBE: 38 feet of water. 621 00:27:15,388 --> 00:27:19,225 - You good? 622 00:27:19,266 --> 00:27:20,851 I see it. 623 00:27:20,893 --> 00:27:23,729 - I got out of the Navy to 624 00:27:23,771 --> 00:27:25,815 I'm just kidding. 625 00:27:25,856 --> 00:27:27,775 - KATY: There we go. 626 00:27:27,817 --> 00:27:28,526 Yay! 627 00:27:28,526 --> 00:27:31,112 - NICK: Alright, there we go. 628 00:27:31,153 --> 00:27:32,988 - JENNIFER: This looks 629 00:27:33,030 --> 00:27:34,281 doesn't it? 630 00:27:36,242 --> 00:27:38,369 - NICK: Katy, what do you 631 00:27:38,411 --> 00:27:41,080 exactly coming out of the 632 00:27:41,122 --> 00:27:44,166 - KATY: These marsh 633 00:27:44,208 --> 00:27:46,752 of different things that, 634 00:27:46,794 --> 00:27:50,381 of their diet, whether it be 635 00:27:50,423 --> 00:27:53,217 and possibly even vegetation. 636 00:27:53,259 --> 00:27:55,469 We are in a location where 637 00:27:55,511 --> 00:27:57,388 many sightings of this 638 00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:59,056 which is eye shine. 639 00:27:59,098 --> 00:28:01,934 Like a reddish, yellowish 640 00:28:01,976 --> 00:28:05,187 which is very similar to 641 00:28:08,941 --> 00:28:11,152 - NICK: How often do you 642 00:28:11,193 --> 00:28:13,904 - KATY: I've done it a few 643 00:28:13,946 --> 00:28:16,866 like, I never go alone. 644 00:28:16,907 --> 00:28:18,743 Oh, you see that? 645 00:28:22,788 --> 00:28:25,750 - Down closer to, like, 646 00:28:25,791 --> 00:28:27,877 - KATY: Yeah, there's some 647 00:28:31,380 --> 00:28:34,759 It's really spooky out here. 648 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,052 Seems to be more of the 649 00:28:37,094 --> 00:28:39,013 in the springtime in the 650 00:28:39,054 --> 00:28:41,265 I think the reason for that 651 00:28:41,307 --> 00:28:43,309 of their hibernation-like 652 00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:45,436 they're probably hungry 653 00:28:45,478 --> 00:28:48,981 and feeding on whatever 654 00:28:49,023 --> 00:28:51,150 - NICK: I've seen a bunch 655 00:28:51,192 --> 00:28:53,444 I didn't see any eye shine, 656 00:28:53,486 --> 00:28:55,154 the environmental DNA 657 00:28:55,196 --> 00:28:57,281 a long way to proving what's 658 00:28:57,323 --> 00:28:58,824 and what isn't in the lake. 659 00:28:58,866 --> 00:29:04,455 - ♪ 660 00:29:08,667 --> 00:29:10,169 - NICK: Whatever DNA 661 00:29:10,211 --> 00:29:13,005 in the water will be collected 662 00:29:13,047 --> 00:29:14,882 We're gonna ship this off 663 00:29:14,924 --> 00:29:16,425 and see if we caught 664 00:29:16,467 --> 00:29:17,927 in the lake. 665 00:29:17,968 --> 00:29:19,261 Lake Champ. 666 00:29:19,303 --> 00:29:21,222 - ♪ 667 00:29:25,309 --> 00:29:27,520 - ♪ 668 00:29:29,355 --> 00:29:33,234 - ♪ 669 00:29:34,944 --> 00:29:37,238 - JENNIFER: I'm excited to 670 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:38,989 but in the meantime, 671 00:29:39,031 --> 00:29:40,783 alternative views on the 672 00:29:40,825 --> 00:29:42,034 Champ exists. 673 00:29:42,076 --> 00:29:44,036 So I've come to talk with 674 00:29:44,078 --> 00:29:45,871 Dr. Ellen Marsden. 675 00:29:47,998 --> 00:29:50,084 - ELLEN: So what we're 676 00:29:50,125 --> 00:29:51,669 of the bottom of a lake. 677 00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:53,879 It's telling us that the 678 00:29:53,921 --> 00:29:55,548 150 feet aways. 679 00:29:55,589 --> 00:29:58,843 And by the nature of the image, 680 00:29:58,884 --> 00:30:01,720 So a hard bottom, bedrock 681 00:30:01,762 --> 00:30:05,057 a very sharp echo and you 682 00:30:05,099 --> 00:30:06,642 of the bottom. 683 00:30:06,684 --> 00:30:10,479 Soft substrates, silts, small 684 00:30:10,521 --> 00:30:12,690 some of the sound, some 685 00:30:12,731 --> 00:30:14,733 And so you get a sort of 686 00:30:14,775 --> 00:30:15,359 as we're seeing here. 687 00:30:15,401 --> 00:30:19,405 Below the substrate, it 688 00:30:19,446 --> 00:30:22,491 by the scale, there's some 689 00:30:22,533 --> 00:30:23,826 - What are your thoughts 690 00:30:23,868 --> 00:30:25,661 - ELLEN: It's hard to tell. 691 00:30:25,703 --> 00:30:28,539 Most likely they're logs, 692 00:30:28,581 --> 00:30:31,125 been accumulating sediments 693 00:30:31,166 --> 00:30:33,627 A log settles on the bottom 694 00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:36,088 it gets covered in more and 695 00:30:36,130 --> 00:30:38,507 The challenge is this, I can 696 00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:40,926 based on the scale, but I 697 00:30:40,968 --> 00:30:43,095 because that's dependent 698 00:30:43,137 --> 00:30:46,015 If you've got a 10-foot log 699 00:30:46,056 --> 00:30:48,142 it'll look that big. 700 00:30:48,183 --> 00:30:51,061 this big and you go over it 701 00:30:51,103 --> 00:30:53,147 There are large animals in, 702 00:30:53,188 --> 00:30:55,608 The largest is the lake 703 00:30:55,649 --> 00:30:58,527 So you look at a 704 00:30:58,569 --> 00:31:01,030 that could conceivably be 705 00:31:01,071 --> 00:31:03,574 But the longest ones 706 00:31:03,616 --> 00:31:05,117 You unexpectedly come 707 00:31:05,159 --> 00:31:07,912 9 foot long in the lake 708 00:31:07,953 --> 00:31:11,123 that look like shields along 709 00:31:11,165 --> 00:31:12,791 it's a monster. 710 00:31:12,833 --> 00:31:17,671 - ♪ 711 00:31:17,713 --> 00:31:19,632 - NICK: I've come to a 712 00:31:19,673 --> 00:31:21,800 in California to hand over 713 00:31:21,842 --> 00:31:23,135 at Lake Champlain. 714 00:31:23,177 --> 00:31:24,887 We're gonna have those 715 00:31:24,929 --> 00:31:26,430 for environmental DNA. 716 00:31:26,472 --> 00:31:28,432 - Hey Nick, how are you? 717 00:31:28,474 --> 00:31:30,059 I'm hoping this test can 718 00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:31,810 what eyewitnesses are 719 00:31:31,852 --> 00:31:33,938 - Alright, we'll take these, 720 00:31:33,979 --> 00:31:36,482 and see what we can find. 721 00:31:36,523 --> 00:31:37,232 - GREG: Did you take these 722 00:31:37,274 --> 00:31:40,069 - NICK: I did. When we were 723 00:31:40,110 --> 00:31:42,821 on the sonar that looked 724 00:31:42,863 --> 00:31:44,615 to what everybody's 725 00:31:44,657 --> 00:31:46,241 Champ, the lake monster. 726 00:31:48,702 --> 00:31:50,704 - GREG: So we're gonna 727 00:31:50,746 --> 00:31:53,165 to our extraction room. 728 00:31:53,207 --> 00:31:55,584 - GREG: So we can extract in 729 00:31:55,626 --> 00:31:59,463 We remove the actual 730 00:31:59,505 --> 00:32:02,591 She'll extract the DNA 731 00:32:02,633 --> 00:32:04,468 into a liquid, into liquid 732 00:32:04,510 --> 00:32:06,971 When we get the liquid DNA, 733 00:32:07,012 --> 00:32:09,848 and we can do PCR 734 00:32:09,890 --> 00:32:10,516 for analysis. 735 00:32:10,516 --> 00:32:13,143 - NICK: So we're basically 736 00:32:13,185 --> 00:32:16,021 in the lake and what isn't 737 00:32:16,063 --> 00:32:18,440 - GREG: In Lake Champlain, 738 00:32:18,482 --> 00:32:21,026 there's amphibians, there's 739 00:32:21,068 --> 00:32:24,947 All of these organisms leave 740 00:32:24,989 --> 00:32:28,909 into the lake in the form 741 00:32:28,951 --> 00:32:30,703 They die, they decay, 742 00:32:30,744 --> 00:32:32,830 and they leave all 743 00:32:32,871 --> 00:32:35,165 And it's floating around, 744 00:32:35,207 --> 00:32:38,544 So yes, we're getting the 745 00:32:38,585 --> 00:32:41,588 that you sampled, and it 746 00:32:41,630 --> 00:32:44,049 which species were present 747 00:32:44,091 --> 00:32:45,467 - Great. 748 00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:47,678 - ♪ 749 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,138 - JENNIFER: There is a 750 00:32:49,179 --> 00:32:52,182 that Champ has evolved 751 00:32:52,224 --> 00:32:53,684 What are your thoughts 752 00:32:53,726 --> 00:32:55,019 - ELLEN: It's a good example. 753 00:32:55,060 --> 00:32:57,855 Long neck, it's got a hump 754 00:32:57,896 --> 00:33:00,482 The Mansi photograph, the 755 00:33:00,524 --> 00:33:01,108 they look like this. 756 00:33:01,150 --> 00:33:04,319 You have a neck because 757 00:33:04,361 --> 00:33:08,198 The longest that any animal 758 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,617 is about two hours, 759 00:33:10,659 --> 00:33:12,202 12 times a day. 760 00:33:12,244 --> 00:33:15,497 You can't have one, 761 00:33:15,539 --> 00:33:17,833 a self-perpetuation population, 762 00:33:17,875 --> 00:33:19,376 breeding baby Champs. 763 00:33:19,418 --> 00:33:21,545 But if each one of those 764 00:33:21,587 --> 00:33:24,131 12 times a day in order to 765 00:33:24,173 --> 00:33:26,759 we'd see them more often 766 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,595 - JENNIFER: What do you 767 00:33:29,636 --> 00:33:34,266 that people are seeing that 768 00:33:34,308 --> 00:33:37,102 - The water on the lake is 769 00:33:37,144 --> 00:33:38,687 If you're not familiar with 770 00:33:38,729 --> 00:33:40,814 or you hit circumstances 771 00:33:40,856 --> 00:33:42,691 things become monsters 772 00:33:42,733 --> 00:33:46,403 The classic one is a flat, 773 00:33:46,445 --> 00:33:48,739 and in the distance you see 774 00:33:48,781 --> 00:33:52,451 You go, "I just saw a monster." 775 00:33:52,493 --> 00:33:54,453 The boat's gone, it's half 776 00:33:54,495 --> 00:33:58,373 it's sent up wake, and that 777 00:33:58,415 --> 00:34:00,167 three humps moving 778 00:34:00,209 --> 00:34:02,628 In spring we get snow melt, 779 00:34:02,669 --> 00:34:04,671 of large, woody debris 780 00:34:04,713 --> 00:34:07,091 and into the lake. 781 00:34:07,132 --> 00:34:09,468 out there. 20, 25-foot logs, 782 00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:12,346 maybe with some branch 783 00:34:12,387 --> 00:34:15,474 And maybe it rolls a little bit, 784 00:34:15,515 --> 00:34:21,146 - ♪ 785 00:34:21,187 --> 00:34:21,855 - NICK: Right now the 786 00:34:21,855 --> 00:34:25,109 are running a detailed 787 00:34:25,149 --> 00:34:26,652 we collected at Lake 788 00:34:26,693 --> 00:34:28,320 Their science director, 789 00:34:28,361 --> 00:34:31,323 is gonna reveal what exactly 790 00:34:31,365 --> 00:34:33,658 - So, we found a number 791 00:34:33,700 --> 00:34:35,160 which is great. 792 00:34:35,202 --> 00:34:37,370 And you might be interested 793 00:34:37,412 --> 00:34:39,748 something that somebody 794 00:34:39,790 --> 00:34:41,500 - We found a lake monster?! 795 00:34:41,542 --> 00:34:42,792 Tell me! 796 00:34:47,798 --> 00:34:50,509 - ♪ 797 00:34:51,801 --> 00:34:53,595 - ♪ 798 00:34:53,637 --> 00:34:55,222 - NICK: The biologists at 799 00:34:55,263 --> 00:34:56,807 have tested the water 800 00:34:56,849 --> 00:34:59,685 at Lake Champlain for 801 00:34:59,726 --> 00:35:01,812 They're saying we may 802 00:35:01,854 --> 00:35:03,522 from the deep. 803 00:35:03,564 --> 00:35:05,566 Alright Scott, so what 804 00:35:05,607 --> 00:35:07,568 - Alright, well I wanted to 805 00:35:07,609 --> 00:35:09,319 here's one of the DNA 806 00:35:09,361 --> 00:35:11,405 from the water sample that 807 00:35:11,446 --> 00:35:15,075 We turned that filter into 808 00:35:15,117 --> 00:35:17,578 the DNA off of that, 809 00:35:17,619 --> 00:35:19,705 The actual sequences from 810 00:35:19,746 --> 00:35:22,541 are right here. 811 00:35:22,583 --> 00:35:25,460 Some ancient fish species 812 00:35:25,502 --> 00:35:27,796 We did get humans, some 813 00:35:27,838 --> 00:35:29,339 Pretty common in the 814 00:35:29,381 --> 00:35:30,632 - Sure. 815 00:35:30,674 --> 00:35:32,676 So, one of the species I 816 00:35:32,718 --> 00:35:35,721 to your attention is number 817 00:35:35,762 --> 00:35:39,558 That's a very large predatory 818 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,227 in the middle of the night, 819 00:35:42,269 --> 00:35:44,229 - So this is what you're 820 00:35:44,271 --> 00:35:46,607 the monster that everyone 821 00:35:46,648 --> 00:35:48,734 for generations in Lake 822 00:35:48,775 --> 00:35:50,569 - SCOTT: I think it's 823 00:35:50,611 --> 00:35:52,237 - NICK: Were there any 824 00:35:52,279 --> 00:35:52,988 in the results? 825 00:35:52,988 --> 00:35:55,616 - SCOTT: So there weren't 826 00:35:55,657 --> 00:35:58,410 We only got fish and, 827 00:35:58,452 --> 00:36:00,787 Reptiles can be hard to 828 00:36:00,829 --> 00:36:03,415 they're somewhat armored, 829 00:36:03,457 --> 00:36:05,459 they might not be shedding 830 00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:07,669 so they're harder to detect 831 00:36:07,711 --> 00:36:09,213 in the sample. 832 00:36:09,254 --> 00:36:11,798 - So we know that sturgeon 833 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,508 we know they exist within 834 00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:15,260 They didn't show up on the 835 00:36:15,302 --> 00:36:17,221 Can you explain why that 836 00:36:17,262 --> 00:36:19,097 - SCOTT: So with 837 00:36:19,139 --> 00:36:22,267 your whole universe is in 838 00:36:22,309 --> 00:36:22,935 that you sampled. 839 00:36:22,976 --> 00:36:27,481 So if a sturgeon didn't 840 00:36:27,522 --> 00:36:30,359 or perhaps a week, 841 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,068 in your sample. 842 00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:35,364 Also, you know, sturgeon 843 00:36:35,405 --> 00:36:38,200 they're not potentially 844 00:36:38,242 --> 00:36:39,618 a lot of material. 845 00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:41,495 Be easy to miss them in 846 00:36:41,536 --> 00:36:43,455 - So we know there are 847 00:36:43,497 --> 00:36:45,249 that the samples did not 848 00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:47,542 - It'd be pretty easy for a 849 00:36:47,584 --> 00:36:49,336 the samples that you had. 850 00:36:49,378 --> 00:36:51,296 The amount of space that 851 00:36:51,338 --> 00:36:54,424 was pretty limited compared 852 00:36:54,466 --> 00:36:55,801 of the entire lake. 853 00:36:55,842 --> 00:36:57,636 - So one of the common 854 00:36:57,678 --> 00:36:59,513 is that it's a plesiosaur. 855 00:36:59,554 --> 00:37:03,517 Is there anyway to identify 856 00:37:03,558 --> 00:37:06,144 that went extinct over 857 00:37:06,186 --> 00:37:07,646 like a plesiosaur? 858 00:37:07,688 --> 00:37:11,733 - There is in the sense that 859 00:37:11,775 --> 00:37:16,196 of the tree of life, from 860 00:37:16,238 --> 00:37:18,824 reptiles that are still around, 861 00:37:18,865 --> 00:37:22,160 to contemporary species 862 00:37:22,202 --> 00:37:26,206 My guess is that if you had 863 00:37:26,248 --> 00:37:28,417 such as an ancient dinosaur, 864 00:37:28,458 --> 00:37:30,794 where we would think a 865 00:37:30,836 --> 00:37:35,340 and probably mistaken for 866 00:37:35,382 --> 00:37:37,676 - So we can't say we 867 00:37:37,718 --> 00:37:39,511 but that doesn't mean 868 00:37:39,553 --> 00:37:41,680 He just wasn't where 869 00:37:41,722 --> 00:37:43,682 There's still plenty of 870 00:37:43,724 --> 00:37:45,142 to go over with Jen. 871 00:37:45,183 --> 00:37:50,814 - ♪ 872 00:37:52,733 --> 00:37:54,192 - JENNIFER: Hey, Nick. 873 00:37:54,234 --> 00:37:56,320 - JENNIFER: Those were 874 00:37:56,361 --> 00:37:57,863 You still have faith in 875 00:37:57,904 --> 00:37:59,865 - Yeah, that went a little 876 00:37:59,906 --> 00:38:01,867 Champ wasn't in that area. 877 00:38:01,908 --> 00:38:04,119 Scott at Genidaqs pointed 878 00:38:04,161 --> 00:38:06,621 to collect samples from all 879 00:38:06,663 --> 00:38:10,042 to get a real makeup of 880 00:38:10,083 --> 00:38:10,792 - Okay, I get that. 881 00:38:10,792 --> 00:38:14,379 The one thing I keep coming 882 00:38:14,421 --> 00:38:16,673 has never washed ashore, 883 00:38:16,715 --> 00:38:18,550 any skeletal remains found. 884 00:38:18,592 --> 00:38:20,218 And when I talked to 885 00:38:20,260 --> 00:38:22,346 she said that one of these 886 00:38:22,387 --> 00:38:26,141 would have to surface at 887 00:38:26,183 --> 00:38:28,143 So if you're looking at a 888 00:38:28,185 --> 00:38:30,395 it just doesn't match up with 889 00:38:30,437 --> 00:38:31,688 we have. 890 00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:33,190 that's pretty problematic. 891 00:38:33,231 --> 00:38:35,567 What I have to lean back 892 00:38:35,609 --> 00:38:37,069 of anecdotal stories passed 893 00:38:37,110 --> 00:38:38,612 from the indigenous people 894 00:38:38,653 --> 00:38:41,531 to Samuel de Champlain 895 00:38:41,573 --> 00:38:44,493 And it looks exactly the same, 896 00:38:44,534 --> 00:38:46,745 long neck, hump. 897 00:38:46,787 --> 00:38:48,830 There's been no variation 898 00:38:48,872 --> 00:38:50,707 I have to lean towards 899 00:38:50,749 --> 00:38:53,418 more realistic than just a 900 00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:54,795 - JENNIFER: So, speaking 901 00:38:54,836 --> 00:38:56,671 there's something I want 902 00:38:56,713 --> 00:38:58,173 An investigator, Benjamin 903 00:38:58,215 --> 00:39:00,509 he had the opportunity 904 00:39:00,550 --> 00:39:03,136 20 years ago, and this 905 00:39:03,178 --> 00:39:04,513 been seen before. 906 00:39:07,766 --> 00:39:11,478 - I'm looking out and I 907 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,313 kind of churning a bit. 908 00:39:13,355 --> 00:39:16,274 And then the head and 909 00:39:16,316 --> 00:39:18,402 of the water right here. 910 00:39:18,443 --> 00:39:21,446 And so I saw that come up 911 00:39:21,488 --> 00:39:24,616 "Wow, that is one big 912 00:39:24,658 --> 00:39:28,370 And then I saw a head 913 00:39:28,412 --> 00:39:29,746 and then the back. 914 00:39:29,788 --> 00:39:32,499 And I snapped a picture. 915 00:39:32,541 --> 00:39:35,043 I am convinced I saw 916 00:39:35,085 --> 00:39:39,172 that should have been 917 00:39:39,214 --> 00:39:40,799 I don't know how it got there, 918 00:39:40,841 --> 00:39:42,801 I don't know 919 00:39:42,843 --> 00:39:45,137 But I'm telling you, it was 920 00:39:45,178 --> 00:39:47,305 or a 2,000-pound duck. 921 00:39:47,347 --> 00:39:48,598 to the photo man. 922 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,393 And it came back, 923 00:39:51,435 --> 00:39:56,064 and I went, "Oh my God." 924 00:39:56,106 --> 00:39:57,691 He said, "I told you that 925 00:39:57,732 --> 00:39:59,151 [laughing] 926 00:39:59,192 --> 00:40:01,278 "So, but now what are 927 00:40:01,319 --> 00:40:04,239 "I don't know, 928 00:40:04,281 --> 00:40:06,700 - JENNIFER: So, what'd 929 00:40:06,741 --> 00:40:09,661 - She sounds like somebody 930 00:40:09,703 --> 00:40:11,371 She's not really gloating 931 00:40:11,413 --> 00:40:13,290 she's just really telling you 932 00:40:13,331 --> 00:40:15,167 - JENNIFER: I think she's 933 00:40:15,208 --> 00:40:17,502 in what she thinks she saw, 934 00:40:17,544 --> 00:40:19,254 important to note 935 00:40:19,296 --> 00:40:20,547 any money off of this. 936 00:40:20,589 --> 00:40:22,507 The National Inquirer 937 00:40:22,549 --> 00:40:23,758 and she turned them down. 938 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,510 So to me, that gives her 939 00:40:25,552 --> 00:40:27,679 - To me it sounds like 940 00:40:27,721 --> 00:40:30,140 - One thing that Sandra 941 00:40:30,182 --> 00:40:30,724 sticks out to me. 942 00:40:30,765 --> 00:40:32,851 - SANDRA: I could see 943 00:40:32,893 --> 00:40:34,728 I could see that it was a 944 00:40:34,769 --> 00:40:37,189 I remember the mouth, 945 00:40:37,230 --> 00:40:39,357 open when it came up and 946 00:40:39,399 --> 00:40:41,109 You know what the 947 00:40:41,151 --> 00:40:42,819 - MAN: Hmm? 948 00:40:42,861 --> 00:40:45,822 - Ben Radford's theory is 949 00:40:45,864 --> 00:40:48,533 that got rolled over, and the 950 00:40:48,575 --> 00:40:52,162 this image just at the 951 00:40:52,204 --> 00:40:54,372 - NICK: I think Ben's theory 952 00:40:54,414 --> 00:40:56,124 However, it's not including 953 00:40:56,166 --> 00:40:58,793 that Mansi pointed out-- 954 00:40:58,835 --> 00:41:00,378 water coming out of its mouth. 955 00:41:00,420 --> 00:41:02,380 Those aren't gonna be actions 956 00:41:02,422 --> 00:41:03,715 - JENNIFER: But that's the 957 00:41:03,757 --> 00:41:05,550 Just by changing the 958 00:41:05,592 --> 00:41:07,552 I think people are seeing 959 00:41:07,594 --> 00:41:11,056 something that looks like 960 00:41:11,097 --> 00:41:12,390 with the wake. 961 00:41:12,432 --> 00:41:15,560 - However, that's not what 962 00:41:15,602 --> 00:41:17,562 You know, logs don't swim 963 00:41:17,604 --> 00:41:20,398 Logs don't break the surface 964 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,567 Sandra Mansi even said she 965 00:41:22,609 --> 00:41:24,778 and she saw its mouth open 966 00:41:24,819 --> 00:41:27,197 That's not a log. 967 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,658 moving, living, breathing 968 00:41:29,699 --> 00:41:32,160 That's Champ to me. 969 00:41:32,202 --> 00:41:34,412 To be honest, I'm not 970 00:41:34,454 --> 00:41:37,123 a carcass or that the eDNA 971 00:41:37,165 --> 00:41:39,209 But I think there needs to 972 00:41:39,251 --> 00:41:41,586 into Lake Champlain, 973 00:41:41,628 --> 00:41:44,422 water samples that need 974 00:41:44,464 --> 00:41:46,424 - You know, I would love to 975 00:41:46,466 --> 00:41:48,426 to come back here, Lake 976 00:41:48,468 --> 00:41:50,845 But at the end of the day, 977 00:41:50,887 --> 00:41:52,597 so for me, this is done. 978 00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:58,603 - ♪ 979 00:42:01,773 --> 00:42:07,571 - ♪ 980 00:42:21,209 --> 00:42:24,754 - ♪