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We all have some heroes,
some people that we enjoy.

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Some people have
great character.

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Some people have
great compassion.

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Some people have great charisma.

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Some people...

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They have a quality where
they're just deeply soulful.

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♪

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Imagine if there were those traits
that you might want for yourself.

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ESP NXIVM

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is a methodology

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that allows people to optimize

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their experience and behavior.

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("Safe With Me" by
Soap&Skin playing)

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♪ No love can be ♪

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♪ Safe with me ♪

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♪ No love can be ♪

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♪ Safe with me ♪

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♪ No love can be ♪

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♪ Safe with me ♪

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♪ No love can be ♪

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♪ Safe with me ♪

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♪

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Mark Vicente: All right. So this is,
to some degree,

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somewhat of a test.

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I originally wanted
to record this

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because I had a very strong
suspicion that I would be attacked

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when I left the organization.

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Attacked could be legally,

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it could be private
investigators,

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it could be bugging,

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it could be, you know,
uh, destroying my name.

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It could be a series of things,
and I wanted it to be understood that...

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It was... It's never
been my intention

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to try and destroy
this organization.

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And some of you that
are still in may think that.

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It's more, uh, uh...

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It's more that I saw
what was really going on.

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And what was really going on

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basically just
fucked with my head.

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But we never thought
it would lead to this.

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(gavel bangs)

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Judge: Okay.

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Newscaster:
58-year-old Keith Raniere,

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the former leader of the
upstate New York sex cult NXIVM

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was found guilty on all counts.

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Newscaster 2: Guilty of racketeering,
guilty of conspiracy,

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wire fraud, and sex trafficking.

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Newscaster 3: The first
question a lot of people have

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when they hear about what he
allegedly did to dozens of women

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is why didn't these women see
what was happening to them?

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- (indistinct chatter,
laughter) - (pop song playing on radio)

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Woman: Mark Vicente!

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(laughing, chattering)

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- Let's start again. - Yeah.

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(laughs)

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(both grunt)

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It's not working. Hold on.

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-♪ Everybody's talkin' 'bout... ♪ -No,
no, back!

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You could do it.
You could do it.

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Sarah Edmondson: I was 27,
just turning 28, when I met Mark.

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I was living in Vancouver.

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This is around the time when
I was into setting intentions.

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My boyfriend at the
time was a filmmaker.

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He had made a film
that got accepted into

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the Spiritual Cinema
Circle Festival-at-Sea,

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on a cruise.

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So I set the intention that I
was gonna go on this cruise

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and figure out
my purpose in life.

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My real purpose.

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'Cause I was challenged
in my relationship,

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challenged in my career.

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I had this idea that maybe
I'd become a famous actor

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and use my celebrity
to have a voice,

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or have impact in the world.

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It... That wasn't happening.

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Man: Oh, yes. Yes.

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Edmondson: That was
like beer commercials.

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TV shows about vampires.

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Blood on my taffeta,
Carl. Blood!

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Well, you were going to
the prom with my best friend.

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-(groans) -Edmondson:
It's like it wasn't the,

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the life that I had imagined.

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And then we got on the cruise,
and the guest of honor,

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and the judge of all the films
was gonna be Mark Vicente,

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the director of the film "What
the Bleep Do We Know!?"

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Narrator: Where do we come from?

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What should we do?

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And where are we going?

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The more you look
at quantum physics,

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the more mysterious
and wondrous it becomes.

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There was something really
magnificent about science

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that I found intoxicating,
because

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if we understood the
world in a better way,

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and, and if we understood
ourselves in a better way,

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we may be able to
understand how all of this works.

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Edmondson: I mean,
"What the Bleep" was one of

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the highest-grossing
documentaries of all time.

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And then that night,
I sat across from Mark Vicente.

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At first,
I didn't know Mark was Mark,

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but when I figured out he was
the director of "What the Bleep,"

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I was gushing about his film,

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and at that time,
I was really sick.

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I had a really bad cough.

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Like, a really bad, loud cough.

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And Mark asked
me something like,

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"What would you lose..."

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This is an
ESP-framed question...

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"What do you lose if
you stop coughing?"

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And I had the awareness
instantly that I had linked

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sickness and attention.

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I was trying to get my
boyfriend's attention.

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I was like, "Oh, my gosh.

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My whole life, I've been so
sick as a means for attention."

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Then, you know,
the next day I got better right away,

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and all I knew at that point

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was that I really liked
and respected Mark.

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And Mark very casually
talked about NXIVM,

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and, you know, there's this guy,

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he's the smartest man in the world,
and...

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He's doing this and that,
and there's this community, and, you know,

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he, he was... He underplayed it.

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If anything,
I was more interested in working with him,

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and doing whatever he was doing.

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Keep in mind,
I'd just put it out there to the universe,

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"What's my purpose?"

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Oh, maybe this is my purpose.

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(laughter, chatter)

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All right,
guys. Let's settle in.

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(sighs)

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Is it rolling?

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There was always a preamble

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that I would always do.

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I'm gonna talk about an
extraordinary company,

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that I began working
with a number of years ago

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that helped me overcome
a great many difficulties

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and achieve an even greater
level of success than I already had.

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And everybody can do with tools
that helps them do better, right?

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♪ ♪

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So understand, NXIVM, N-X-I-V-M,

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is the umbrella company.

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ESP was the thing
that I got involved in.

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ESP stands for Executive
Success Programs.

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Keith Raniere: Executive Success Programs,
ESP, NXIVM...

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is a methodology

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for optimizing or enhancing

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human experience and behavior.

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Executive Success Programs
is a human potential program.

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We called it Executive
Success Programs

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not because it's only geared
for executives in business,

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although it's very good
for executives in business.

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What we want to do is
we want to be successful

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by executing,
by following through,

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by being proactive in our lives.

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That's what ESP is.

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Edmondson: At that time,
I was living in a basement suite

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where my rent was $400 a month.

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So for me to spend
thousands of dollars

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on my personal
growth was obscene.

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But I really wanted to change.

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And I really wanted to
make that... that leap,

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so I put it on my credit card and
signed up for the next training.

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♪ ♪

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My first five-day,

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I was picturing a large,

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stadium-type of
Tony Robbins forum

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with hundreds of people... Rah,
rah, rah.

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I walk into a,
a run-down Holiday Inn.

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You guys hearing okay?

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Nod if you can hear me.

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It's just totally underwhelming.

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Everyone's power
suits are weird.

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And Nancy's first intro video,
where she's like, "Hi."

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Hello. I'm Nancy Salzman.

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Welcome to your
first origins class.

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Edmondson: Meanwhile,
I'm like, staring at her eyebrows.

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Did you ever see the
carnival game Whack-a-Mole?

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There's this little mole,
and he pops up,

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and he has this, like,
little grassy hat on.

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Just the whole, like,
the whole aesthetic

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and the presentation of
the material was totally '80s.

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So you take the sledgehammer
and you knock down this mole,

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and you knock down this one,
and you knock one down

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and another one pops up,
and another one pops up, and... and...

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Does this sound like your life?

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I was like, "What? Where am I?"

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And I was sort of like,

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you know, "My parents are therapists.
What are you gonna teach me?"

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(speaking)

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All right. So here's
rules and rituals.

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This is the first class we do.

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And they said right
from the beginning

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that we were gonna
be uncomfortable.

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That the most growth happens
outside your comfort zone.

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-Give me your hand. Shake my hand.
-Okay.

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So, we learn how to shake hands.

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We shake like this.

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You know, it was just weird.

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(all clapping)

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(Kamaraj speaking)

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(group speaking)

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Edmondson: I didn't like
calling Nancy "Prefect"

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and Keith "Vanguard."

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Computer voice: Vanguard.

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(Keith Raniere speaking)

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Edmondson: And I was like,

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"What the fuck?"
regarding the sashes.

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I called Mark at
the end of that day.

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And I was like, "What the fuck
did you get me involved with?"

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Vicente: I mean,
I wasn't on board at first. I'll be honest.

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But, look, I can understand.

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I'm used to ranking systems,
you know. I was in,

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I was in boarding schools.
I was in the Boy Scouts.

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I hated how short the fucking
things were. They were stupid.

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But you know what?
It's a silly piece of silk

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that represents
an idea. That's all.

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But the ranking system
is a way to recognize

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the value people
bring to the world.

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And what would
make the world better

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is if people valued each other.

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And give people tribute for what
they're capable of and what they do,

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and what if this thing you're looking for,
this, this dark lining,

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what if it's not here?

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But what if you feel
it inside of yourself?

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Let me tell you just a
little bit about the reaction

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that people have to our program.

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Occasionally,
we have a person who comes in,

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and in the first
couple of sessions,

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they begin to really see
themselves for the first time.

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And when they
really see themselves,

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they don't see what they
thought they wanted to see.

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And these people want to
leave the program right way.

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You know, you have skeptics,

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and you have cynics,
and I define them.

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I say a skeptic

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is someone who seeks
to turn magic into science.

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- And I'm one of them. - Mmm.

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A cynic is someone who
seeks to turn good to bad.

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And I kept on saying, "Well,
just do another day. What's one more day?"

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He said, "Wait till day three.

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"Everyone has a
huge shift in day three.

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Day three's, like, really big."

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And it was sort of also,
like, "Well, I'm here."

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You know?

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"Let's just ride it out."

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And it was true. On day
three is when I had my first big,

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like, "Holy shit."

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And that was in the
self-esteem module.

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Nancy Salzman:
What is self-esteem?

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And how do we measure it?

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Are there specific ways of
raising one's self-esteem?

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Many people talk
about self-esteem.

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But very few people
really know what it is.

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Self-esteem was explained in,

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the working definition
we use in ESP was,

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self-esteem is the range of options
that you have in a given circumstance.

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People with high
self-esteem see possibilities.

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But most of the time,
you can't see those options

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because of what they
called your limiting beliefs.

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Salzman: All of us have a certain
number of these limiting beliefs

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which is what we
call "disintegrations."

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The things that keep you
from being all that you can be

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and from reaching your full
potential as a human being...

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The example I remember...
I think Mark taught me this...

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If someone's a photographer,

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and they have a fear of heights,

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they're limited to what they can
photograph on the ground floor.

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That's their potential.

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If you unhook
their fear of heights,

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now they can go
on the Eiffel Tower,

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and then there's
more possibilities.

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Now,
the average person has probably

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between two and 300
of these limiting beliefs.

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There wasn't, like,
a limiting belief that was unlocked.

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It was multiple
limiting beliefs.

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I can be Sarah
who's not controlling.

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I can have a great relationship.

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I can have the best career.
I can have all these things.

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It was different beliefs I had
around money, my potential.

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I didn't have love for myself.

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- Hello?
- I didn't have belief in myself.

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Salzman: And we talk
about getting lost in the movie.

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We're kind of lost
in the role of our life.

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What you have to do is stop
believing that that's who you are.

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Edmondson: I thought that
was just the way that I was.

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And then all of a sudden,
like, oh, I can systematically

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evolve to be the
ideal version of myself.

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To write my own character,

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versus, "Well,
that's the way I am."

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Like if I ever heard anyone go,

290
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"Well, I'm just not, you know,
I'm just not a morning person."

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I'm like,
"That just a limiting belief."

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When you recognize that
everyone has limiting beliefs,

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you just walk around going,
"Oh, that's a limiting belief.

294
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"That's not true. That's
bullshit. He could change that.

295
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I could change that for him
in 45 minutes if he'd let me."

296
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(laughs)

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We believe that you can actually

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get rid of all your
disintegrations.

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Every single time

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you integrate a
disintegrated belief,

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you become more full.

302
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More whole. More rich.

303
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And become what we call unified.

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Edmondson: ESP and NXIVM was
a tool set to help people get there.

305
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And that's where I
feel like I got hooked,

306
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and a lot of people got
hooked where ESP looked for,

307
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and for Mark as well,
like, he had a...

308
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I should not speak for Mark. I
don't know why, why he got hooked.

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I think the person that convinced
me was Nancy Salzman.

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Salzman: I want you to consider

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what sorts of changes

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would you really like
to make in your life?

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If you could have,
or do, or be anything,

314
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what would that look like?

315
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What would that feel like?

316
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Vicente: I'd just released
"What the Bleep."

317
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A lot of doors
were opening to me.

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I could pretty much call,
you know,

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any production company,
any studio,

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and they would fuckin' take
my call and meet with me.

321
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One day, I get an email

322
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from this woman
called Barbara Bouchey.

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So,
I call. There's two women on the other end:

324
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Barbara Bouchey
and Nancy Salzman.

325
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Vicente: They said,
"Can we come meet you?"

326
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And I'm like,
"Sure. That sounds great."

327
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The day that
they were flying in,

328
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I said to them,
"So, what airline?"

329
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They said, "No, no,
no. We're at the, the private thing."

330
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And I was like, "Huh."

331
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So I remember them
getting off the plane,

332
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and realizing, "Oh,
it's like, a Learjet.

333
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Oh. That's, that's nice that they have,
you know, you have this jet."

334
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I remember both of them
asking me what I wanted.

335
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They said they loved my
film. What else did I want to do?

336
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Which of course was,
I want to make movies.

337
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I want to change the world,
you know, and,

338
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and the impression
I got from them is,

339
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"We will help you
do all those things.

340
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We have the resources, we have
the connections, we have the people."

341
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'Cause they have, like,
billionaires in their group.

342
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There's an expression
in Afrikaans...

343
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(speaking Afrikaans)

344
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Which basically means,
"You landed with your ass in the butter."

345
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And they said to me, you know,

346
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"Just come and take
an intensive with us.

347
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Come and see
what it is that we do."

348
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And the headquarters
is in Albany.

349
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Our curriculum creates
perceptual shifts.

350
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A perceptual shift is something

351
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that when you have it,
nothing is ever the same.

352
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You know,
Nancy was in full force.

353
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This woman is like, sharp,

354
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and she's energetic,

355
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and she's warm,
and she's connecting.

356
00:17:42,673 --> 00:17:46,214
But the thing that began
to grow on me bit by bit

357
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is everybody was so kind.

358
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And it's this weird, like,
incredible, idyllic type of society,

359
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where everybody's
rooting for everybody.

360
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I went into Nancy's office,
and I said,

361
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"You guys have
an ulterior motive.

362
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Something's not right here."

363
00:18:01,339 --> 00:18:02,774
And she goes,
"What do you mean?" I go,

364
00:18:02,798 --> 00:18:04,881
"Everybody,
everybody's too nice, too kind.

365
00:18:04,964 --> 00:18:07,547
So full of shit.
Something's not right."

366
00:18:07,631 --> 00:18:09,631
And she goes, "Huh. Really.

367
00:18:09,714 --> 00:18:14,130
"What if it's you that's
looking for that problem?

368
00:18:14,214 --> 00:18:16,839
What if it doesn't exist?"

369
00:18:16,923 --> 00:18:19,964
Salzman: Keith developed a
model called "Rational Inquiry,"

370
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which is the model that
we use in this program.

371
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We refer to rational
inquiry as a technology.

372
00:18:27,464 --> 00:18:29,547
Vicente: It was a process
designed to produce

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quantifiable results.

374
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And understand how profound
this thing is that he's created.

375
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It's filed in the patent office

376
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under artificial intelligence.

377
00:18:39,506 --> 00:18:41,214
This isn't about, like,
mystical beliefs,

378
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and howling at the moon,
and holding a crystal,

379
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and doing this... This was like,
science,

380
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and I was like, "Okay,
this is... This is what I want."

381
00:18:48,422 --> 00:18:51,255
There was a particular
method that they used

382
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to help people overcome phobias.

383
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An EM.

384
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"Exploration of Meaning"
is the unique methodology

385
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that's designed
to uncover the fear

386
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behind a specific issue
a person was having.

387
00:19:04,047 --> 00:19:07,839
The beliefs that we formed
when we were small children

388
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stay with us.

389
00:19:09,798 --> 00:19:11,714
And do you know what that means?

390
00:19:11,798 --> 00:19:14,130
It means that on some levels,

391
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six-, seven-,
and eight-year-olds,

392
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are running the world.

393
00:19:18,547 --> 00:19:21,297
Our programs are programs where

394
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we begin to reevaluate

395
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those very early
conclusions we came to.

396
00:19:26,756 --> 00:19:29,381
Vicente: Nancy says,
"Who wants to work on something?"

397
00:19:29,464 --> 00:19:32,506
And I go, "Yeah, I have really
bad panic attacks on the freeway."

398
00:19:32,589 --> 00:19:35,005
And she's like,
"Great. Let's do that one."

399
00:19:35,089 --> 00:19:37,673
So,
I go to the front of the class,

400
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and we're sitting opposite of each
other in, like, what they call a demo,

401
00:19:40,839 --> 00:19:42,714
an EM demo.

402
00:19:42,798 --> 00:19:45,339
What's the first
thought you have?

403
00:19:45,422 --> 00:19:47,172
If you focus on it,

404
00:19:47,255 --> 00:19:49,673
can you bring up an
associated memory?

405
00:19:49,756 --> 00:19:52,839
A time in the past when
you had that feeling?

406
00:19:52,923 --> 00:19:54,756
What's scary about it?

407
00:19:54,839 --> 00:19:56,964
And she had said,
"There comes a certain point

408
00:19:57,047 --> 00:19:59,172
"when we get into
a part of your brain

409
00:19:59,255 --> 00:20:00,839
"that is non-logical,

410
00:20:00,923 --> 00:20:02,881
where it's gonna s...
It's gonna feel weird."

411
00:20:02,964 --> 00:20:06,673
And that's what it felt like. I didn't even
know what language she's speaking.

412
00:20:06,756 --> 00:20:08,464
It sounds like what she's saying

413
00:20:08,547 --> 00:20:10,631
is just this garbled something.

414
00:20:12,964 --> 00:20:15,089
But I just remember suddenly,
like,

415
00:20:15,172 --> 00:20:18,756
all the noise starts
to quiet down.

416
00:20:18,839 --> 00:20:22,673
(serene music playing)

417
00:20:22,756 --> 00:20:24,899
And I'm, like, "What? What?
What just happened? That's it?"

418
00:20:24,923 --> 00:20:27,440
She goes, "No, no, no. This,
that's not it. I mean, this is a science,

419
00:20:27,464 --> 00:20:29,339
"so next time you're
in that situation,

420
00:20:29,422 --> 00:20:31,964
you're gonna check the results
and you're gonna report to me."

421
00:20:33,047 --> 00:20:35,756
I went back to LA,
and I was on a freeway,

422
00:20:35,839 --> 00:20:39,214
and I realized,
strangely enough,

423
00:20:39,297 --> 00:20:43,422
that I was sitting in traffic
and I was feeling nothing.

424
00:20:43,506 --> 00:20:47,172
And I remember thinking,
"Wait, wait, wait."

425
00:20:47,255 --> 00:20:50,422
Like, I remembered that I
was supposed to feel panicked.

426
00:20:50,506 --> 00:20:52,923
And I tried to find the
panic. I tried to bring it up,

427
00:20:53,005 --> 00:20:55,798
and I couldn't bring it up,
and I'm like, "Whoa."

428
00:20:57,339 --> 00:20:59,699
And then I asked her a question,
"When's it gonna come back?"

429
00:20:59,756 --> 00:21:02,255
And she said, "What do you mean,
'When's it gonna come back?'"

430
00:21:02,339 --> 00:21:03,839
She says, "It can't come back."

431
00:21:03,923 --> 00:21:06,130
Now, the difference
between having an integration

432
00:21:06,214 --> 00:21:10,881
and other processes is when it's gone,
it's gone.

433
00:21:10,964 --> 00:21:14,756
With an integration, you can't even
remember what it used to be like.

434
00:21:14,839 --> 00:21:20,214
It changes your whole
experience of existence forever.

435
00:21:20,297 --> 00:21:23,047
Vicente: And a lot of these
explorations of meanings,

436
00:21:23,130 --> 00:21:25,464
when you had the revelation,
whatever it was,

437
00:21:25,547 --> 00:21:28,214
the missing something
that you couldn't see,

438
00:21:28,297 --> 00:21:30,047
you felt high.

439
00:21:30,130 --> 00:21:32,047
It's like a peak experience.

440
00:21:32,130 --> 00:21:35,756
So you start to have a bunch of peak
experiences, you're like, "This is the shit."

441
00:21:35,839 --> 00:21:37,923
Like, we're not taking drugs,

442
00:21:38,005 --> 00:21:39,923
we're not, like, blindfolded,

443
00:21:40,005 --> 00:21:41,923
we're not doing
sensory deprivation.

444
00:21:42,005 --> 00:21:43,464
We're just having conversations.

445
00:21:43,547 --> 00:21:45,255
This is almost sci-fi.

446
00:21:45,339 --> 00:21:48,255
This is, like,
beyond what I thought was possible.

447
00:21:48,339 --> 00:21:51,339
Like,
I've arrived at the Federation,

448
00:21:51,422 --> 00:21:53,506
50 years in the future,

449
00:21:53,589 --> 00:21:55,964
and they have hacked
the human brain.

450
00:21:56,047 --> 00:21:58,089
And I remember after
that first intensive,

451
00:21:58,172 --> 00:22:00,899
I was working on a screenplay
which I'd struggled with for a long time.

452
00:22:00,923 --> 00:22:03,130
I wrote it in three
and a half weeks.

453
00:22:03,214 --> 00:22:05,089
And it was good.

454
00:22:05,172 --> 00:22:07,130
I was like, "I'm in."

455
00:22:07,214 --> 00:22:09,756
♪

456
00:22:11,297 --> 00:22:13,255
Edmondson: I felt
like I was soaring.

457
00:22:14,255 --> 00:22:16,923
It was like almost like a magic.

458
00:22:17,005 --> 00:22:19,214
I felt like I was
getting downloaded a,

459
00:22:19,297 --> 00:22:21,130
a book of knowledge

460
00:22:21,214 --> 00:22:23,130
about people, about society,

461
00:22:23,214 --> 00:22:25,839
about the world in general.

462
00:22:25,923 --> 00:22:30,547
I really felt like I had this
secret potion of understanding.

463
00:22:30,631 --> 00:22:34,005
I had all this theory
about how to change stuff.

464
00:22:34,089 --> 00:22:35,964
Stuff in here, stuff in here.

465
00:22:36,047 --> 00:22:37,589
But I didn't know how to do it.

466
00:22:37,673 --> 00:22:41,839
And for the first time, I saw a way,
a tool, to actually do it.

467
00:22:41,923 --> 00:22:44,214
Edmondson: I loved watching
people have breakthroughs.

468
00:22:44,297 --> 00:22:48,547
I remember there was one
woman who was EMing somebody

469
00:22:48,631 --> 00:22:51,089
on an issue they've
had for 25 years,

470
00:22:51,172 --> 00:22:53,673
and have them have
a massive integration

471
00:22:53,756 --> 00:22:56,798
and cry, and, um, laugh.

472
00:22:56,881 --> 00:22:58,005
And go, like, "Oh, my God.

473
00:22:58,089 --> 00:22:59,589
"Like, I feel like I could...

474
00:22:59,673 --> 00:23:00,839
"I'm gonna call my dad now.

475
00:23:00,923 --> 00:23:02,547
I haven't talked to
him since I was 15."

476
00:23:02,631 --> 00:23:04,589
Or whatever. Like, those moments

477
00:23:04,673 --> 00:23:07,422
were so beautiful,
and so inspiring,

478
00:23:07,506 --> 00:23:10,422
and so much more
efficient than therapy.

479
00:23:10,506 --> 00:23:12,673
Our main emphasis,
our main belief,

480
00:23:12,756 --> 00:23:16,297
is to have people experience
more joy in their lives.

481
00:23:16,381 --> 00:23:17,964
And from that,

482
00:23:18,047 --> 00:23:22,339
all sorts of interesting
effects appear to happen.

483
00:23:22,422 --> 00:23:26,005
Raniere proposed this map
of how everything worked.

484
00:23:26,089 --> 00:23:28,923
It was a unified
theory to explain

485
00:23:29,005 --> 00:23:32,172
why people do what they
do and how to change that.

486
00:23:32,255 --> 00:23:34,881
If you can work
your disintegrations

487
00:23:34,964 --> 00:23:37,964
so that you arrive at this integrated map,
you will be integrated.

488
00:23:38,047 --> 00:23:41,255
And what does it mean if
you're integrated? You're joyful.

489
00:23:41,339 --> 00:23:44,005
And part of it was like,
"This is fuckin' cool.

490
00:23:44,089 --> 00:23:48,339
This is a code to
understand myself."

491
00:23:48,422 --> 00:23:51,547
That I'm no longer such a
terrible mystery to myself.

492
00:23:51,631 --> 00:23:53,255
And it is kind
of a relief of like,

493
00:23:53,339 --> 00:23:55,589
"Well,
what if everything is explainable?"

494
00:23:55,673 --> 00:23:58,589
Most of what we say makes sense.

495
00:23:58,673 --> 00:24:01,130
It's not grounded
in mysticism at all.

496
00:24:01,214 --> 00:24:04,464
It's not grounded
in a lot of things that

497
00:24:04,547 --> 00:24:07,589
maybe are highly effective
but are unexplainable.

498
00:24:07,673 --> 00:24:11,172
I think we have
quite potent tools,

499
00:24:11,255 --> 00:24:13,255
and I think our
tools are unique.

500
00:24:13,339 --> 00:24:14,981
I think they said to me,
you know, "At some point,

501
00:24:15,005 --> 00:24:16,685
you're gonna meet Keith." And I go,
"When?"

502
00:24:16,714 --> 00:24:18,005
"Oh, we'll see," you know.

503
00:24:18,089 --> 00:24:21,422
And the way they painted,
who's this Keith Raniere?

504
00:24:21,506 --> 00:24:22,881
Like, who's this Vanguard guy?

505
00:24:22,964 --> 00:24:24,381
You know,
I was told things like...

506
00:24:24,464 --> 00:24:26,264
"The Guinness Book of
World Records" said that

507
00:24:26,339 --> 00:24:30,297
he was one of the top scorers
on an IQ test ever given.

508
00:24:30,381 --> 00:24:33,255
One of the top three
problem solvers in the world.

509
00:24:38,214 --> 00:24:39,964
Vicente: He went
to college at RPI...

510
00:24:40,047 --> 00:24:42,631
Rensselaer Polytechnic
Institute... when he was 16.

511
00:24:42,714 --> 00:24:44,381
Also,
they told me he had triple majors

512
00:24:44,464 --> 00:24:47,047
in mathematics, biology,
and computer science.

513
00:24:54,673 --> 00:24:57,714
Vicente: He was a
concert double pianist.

514
00:25:08,089 --> 00:25:10,798
And then finally,
they decide I'm ready.

515
00:25:10,881 --> 00:25:13,964
(laughing)

516
00:25:14,047 --> 00:25:16,172
I was staying at Nancy
Salzman's house,

517
00:25:16,255 --> 00:25:19,130
and this guy walks in...

518
00:25:20,756 --> 00:25:22,089
Woo!

519
00:25:22,172 --> 00:25:24,964
Vicente: ...who's like,
short, and like, bouncy,

520
00:25:25,047 --> 00:25:28,047
and he's like, an odd guy.

521
00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:30,381
There was a part
of me that was like,

522
00:25:30,464 --> 00:25:32,381
"This-this is the dude?"

523
00:25:33,005 --> 00:25:34,589
Raniere: Breakfast.

524
00:25:34,673 --> 00:25:38,255
-You can't come to Nancy's house without breakfast.
-(laughter)

525
00:25:38,339 --> 00:25:40,964
Vicente: But you never know where
wisdom comes from, you know?

526
00:25:41,047 --> 00:25:42,857
Well, who's to say that this guy,
who's just like,

527
00:25:42,881 --> 00:25:44,964
really strange and interesting

528
00:25:45,047 --> 00:25:46,714
might not be in fact, like,

529
00:25:46,798 --> 00:25:48,518
somebody that could
actually help the world?

530
00:25:48,589 --> 00:25:50,839
-Raniere: So shall we sit down?
-(indistinct dialogue)

531
00:25:50,923 --> 00:25:53,798
Vicente: And so,
we begin having a conversation.

532
00:25:53,881 --> 00:25:56,798
And that conversation
lasts for five hours.

533
00:25:58,714 --> 00:26:00,315
- Raniere: You all set?
- Vicente: Mm-hmm.

534
00:26:00,339 --> 00:26:02,714
And in that five hours,
I'm asking him about

535
00:26:02,798 --> 00:26:05,255
dark matter or quantum mechanics,
a whole bunch of things.

536
00:26:05,339 --> 00:26:07,589
And he's telling me stuff
that's just blowing my mind.

537
00:26:07,673 --> 00:26:09,690
And I'm saying to him,
"I've never heard these ideas before."

538
00:26:09,714 --> 00:26:12,023
He goes, "Well, it's based on a
new mathematics that I've developed."

539
00:26:12,047 --> 00:26:14,297
And I said, like,
"You've developed a new mathematics?"

540
00:26:14,381 --> 00:26:16,089
He goes, "Y-Yeah."

541
00:26:16,172 --> 00:26:20,839
But he was, like, super, super gentle
about all these things, you know?

542
00:26:20,923 --> 00:26:24,339
So, he starts asking me
questions about my life.

543
00:26:35,798 --> 00:26:38,798
♪ ♪

544
00:26:38,881 --> 00:26:42,631
(Vicente speaking on tape)

545
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:50,839
(Vicente speaking)

546
00:26:57,756 --> 00:27:00,673
(Vicente speaking on tape)

547
00:27:06,673 --> 00:27:08,130
Raniere: Hmm.

548
00:27:10,005 --> 00:27:12,839
(Vicente speaking on tape)

549
00:27:16,798 --> 00:27:19,172
- Raniere: Why?
- (Vicente speaking)

550
00:27:22,089 --> 00:27:23,547
Raniere: Hmm.

551
00:27:24,506 --> 00:27:27,047
(Vicente speaking on tape)

552
00:27:28,881 --> 00:27:30,381
Raniere: Mm-hmm.

553
00:27:32,714 --> 00:27:34,381
Vicente: And he says to me,

554
00:27:34,464 --> 00:27:39,089
"I think that you feel a deep
responsibility for humanity."

555
00:27:39,172 --> 00:27:41,005
He says,
"I think because of your upbringing,

556
00:27:41,089 --> 00:27:43,673
"and what you saw
in your country...

557
00:27:46,422 --> 00:27:48,899
"...you wanna, like, do something
that's really gonna help the world,

558
00:27:48,923 --> 00:27:51,172
"and you're scared
that you'll do damage.

559
00:27:51,255 --> 00:27:53,255
"Is that why you're scared?

560
00:27:53,339 --> 00:27:55,756
Is that why you're
afraid to hit hard?"

561
00:28:00,130 --> 00:28:01,172
Raniere: Mm-hmm.

562
00:28:01,255 --> 00:28:03,589
(Vicente sobbing softly)

563
00:28:31,422 --> 00:28:34,422
(Raniere speaking)

564
00:28:39,464 --> 00:28:41,547
Vicente: It's almost
like he's showing me

565
00:28:41,631 --> 00:28:44,172
the movie version of
what I could be like.

566
00:28:45,214 --> 00:28:47,631
And at that point, he had me.

567
00:29:05,506 --> 00:29:08,130
(gentle instrumental
music playing)

568
00:29:23,339 --> 00:29:25,172
Vicente: I think
in the first year,

569
00:29:25,255 --> 00:29:28,589
I thought to myself, "I could see
myself being part of this forever."

570
00:29:28,673 --> 00:29:31,798
And he kept on saying,
"We will help you

571
00:29:31,881 --> 00:29:35,297
with your dream of using
media to change the world."

572
00:29:36,631 --> 00:29:38,923
(people laughing, chattering)

573
00:29:39,005 --> 00:29:41,255
The one and only Nancy Salzman.

574
00:29:41,339 --> 00:29:42,839
(cheering, applause)

575
00:29:42,923 --> 00:29:45,047
Edmondson: I remember
meeting Nancy for the first time,

576
00:29:45,130 --> 00:29:47,214
and it was pretty cool,
because, you know,

577
00:29:47,297 --> 00:29:49,422
I'd gone from, like, judging her

578
00:29:49,506 --> 00:29:52,005
to thinking she was a rock star.

579
00:29:52,089 --> 00:29:55,089
Uh, a lot of people who've
never seen me teach before

580
00:29:55,172 --> 00:29:56,923
are waiting for
the video to go on,

581
00:29:57,005 --> 00:29:59,089
- but, like, I'm the video.
- (class laughing)

582
00:29:59,172 --> 00:30:02,255
Edmondson: It was, like,
really like meeting a celebrity.

583
00:30:02,339 --> 00:30:03,881
And then having
her know who I was,

584
00:30:03,964 --> 00:30:06,464
and welcoming me into
the community was...

585
00:30:06,547 --> 00:30:07,798
I felt very special.

586
00:30:07,881 --> 00:30:09,422
People can come,
they can take classes

587
00:30:09,506 --> 00:30:12,130
as much as they want,
forever and ever and ever.

588
00:30:12,214 --> 00:30:14,089
They can satiate
in our curriculum,

589
00:30:14,172 --> 00:30:17,089
but what Vanguard has wanted
us to do for a very long time

590
00:30:17,172 --> 00:30:20,464
is have people
working the Stripe Path.

591
00:30:20,547 --> 00:30:23,464
Edmondson: "Stripe Path" is the
term we used for the ranking system,

592
00:30:23,547 --> 00:30:24,923
the sashes.

593
00:30:25,005 --> 00:30:27,464
It represented you moving
up within the company,

594
00:30:27,547 --> 00:30:29,631
and in order to go
up the Stripe Path,

595
00:30:29,714 --> 00:30:31,798
you had to keep taking curriculum,
enroll people,

596
00:30:31,881 --> 00:30:35,798
and most importantly,
you had to get rid of your disintegrations.

597
00:30:35,881 --> 00:30:40,214
Vicente: So, part of my journey
is to go up the levels and learn.

598
00:30:40,297 --> 00:30:42,005
I started as a yellow...

599
00:30:42,089 --> 00:30:43,689
First stripe, second stripe,
third stripe.

600
00:30:43,756 --> 00:30:45,547
In a year, I'd become a proctor,

601
00:30:45,631 --> 00:30:48,255
and eventually,
I'm a senior proctor, a green.

602
00:30:48,339 --> 00:30:51,673
All: Hi, Senior Proctor Vicente!

603
00:30:51,756 --> 00:30:53,506
(laughing)

604
00:30:53,589 --> 00:30:55,839
Hello,
Senior Proctor Mark Vicente.

605
00:30:55,923 --> 00:30:57,422
(cheering, applause)

606
00:31:03,547 --> 00:31:06,464
(Vicente speaking)

607
00:31:06,547 --> 00:31:10,047
You know,
I hated wearing my sash at the beginning.

608
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:12,065
I hated it. It was like,
"What is this piece of fabric?

609
00:31:12,089 --> 00:31:14,506
It doesn't match my
outfit. It's uncomfortable."

610
00:31:14,589 --> 00:31:16,089
It didn't mean anything to me.

611
00:31:16,172 --> 00:31:19,172
But by the time I
became a coach,

612
00:31:19,255 --> 00:31:20,798
yellow sash,

613
00:31:20,881 --> 00:31:23,297
and went up the Stripe Path
and earned my four stripes,

614
00:31:23,381 --> 00:31:25,756
and worked my butt
off to get to proctor,

615
00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:28,381
what this meant to me,
this little piece of fabric,

616
00:31:28,464 --> 00:31:31,631
it meant my growth,
it meant my commitment to myself.

617
00:31:31,714 --> 00:31:34,422
It meant me pushing through adversity,
not giving up.

618
00:31:34,506 --> 00:31:36,547
Getting to proctor was
the first thing in my life

619
00:31:36,631 --> 00:31:38,798
that I felt like I
really earned.

620
00:31:41,297 --> 00:31:44,464
And it wasn't just
about my growth.

621
00:31:44,547 --> 00:31:47,589
It was so rewarding to
share ESP with people.

622
00:31:47,673 --> 00:31:50,172
Thank you, uh,
Senior Proctor Edmondson,

623
00:31:50,255 --> 00:31:53,047
for your support. You're
such a humble pillar.

624
00:31:53,130 --> 00:31:54,547
You know, it's because of you

625
00:31:54,631 --> 00:31:57,047
that I'm in this crazy
organization. (laughs)

626
00:31:57,130 --> 00:31:59,547
And lastly,
thank you so much to Prefect and Vanguard

627
00:31:59,631 --> 00:32:02,547
for creating this amazing
organization. Thank you.

628
00:32:02,631 --> 00:32:04,506
(all applauding)

629
00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:07,422
Edmondson: That's why ESP became
more important to me than acting.

630
00:32:07,506 --> 00:32:08,839
You ready?

631
00:32:08,923 --> 00:32:11,089
It was very rewarding for me.

632
00:32:11,172 --> 00:32:13,547
I want to welcome you
to the rank of coach,

633
00:32:13,631 --> 00:32:15,464
with all the rights,
responsibilities,

634
00:32:15,547 --> 00:32:18,881
and privileges that
entail. Congratulations.

635
00:32:18,964 --> 00:32:22,297
-Aah!
-(audience cheering and clapping)

636
00:32:23,464 --> 00:32:25,190
Vicente: To those of
us that were facilitating,

637
00:32:25,214 --> 00:32:27,694
people would say shit like,
"You guys are like Jedis," you know.

638
00:32:27,756 --> 00:32:29,023
And there was a part
of me that'd be like,

639
00:32:29,047 --> 00:32:30,923
"Yeah,
I've always wanted to be a Jedi."

640
00:32:31,005 --> 00:32:33,089
But really,
what was cool about it was like, that

641
00:32:33,172 --> 00:32:34,839
- people would come in...
- (applauding)

642
00:32:34,923 --> 00:32:38,673
...so concerned about
something in their life.

643
00:32:38,756 --> 00:32:41,255
And we would help
them get clarity.

644
00:32:41,339 --> 00:32:44,047
(cheering and applause)

645
00:32:44,130 --> 00:32:46,714
- Woman: This is so exciting.
- (people laughing)

646
00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:49,130
Vicente: And it wasn't so much like,
"Oh, I did it."

647
00:32:49,214 --> 00:32:51,047
It's very clear that
that's not how it worked.

648
00:32:51,130 --> 00:32:56,130
But I do remember the
deep sense of privilege

649
00:32:56,214 --> 00:32:58,255
that I could help people.

650
00:32:58,881 --> 00:33:01,756
♪ ♪

651
00:33:04,798 --> 00:33:07,047
(playing notes)

652
00:33:10,923 --> 00:33:13,464
I think the first
time I met Bonnie

653
00:33:13,547 --> 00:33:15,422
would have been 2000... maybe 7.

654
00:33:15,506 --> 00:33:17,255
I'm not sure of the exact date.

655
00:33:17,339 --> 00:33:20,214
A friend of mine was
on "Battlestar Galactica."

656
00:33:20,297 --> 00:33:22,798
Bonnie had been in "Star
Wars: Revenge of the Sith"

657
00:33:22,881 --> 00:33:24,130
and "Attack of the Clones."

658
00:33:24,214 --> 00:33:26,130
- This is my girlfriend, Beru.
- Hello.

659
00:33:26,214 --> 00:33:29,506
Vicente: And so they
met at a sci-fi convention.

660
00:33:29,589 --> 00:33:32,798
"Oh, my God. You have to
meet this girl. She's a singer.

661
00:33:32,881 --> 00:33:36,255
She's a fan of your movie, you're a fan of
"Star Wars." You guys have gotta meet."

662
00:33:37,172 --> 00:33:40,464
So I met her in Hollywood.

663
00:33:40,547 --> 00:33:42,839
And she was, like,
you know, record deals,

664
00:33:42,923 --> 00:33:46,381
and, like,
pinnacle of her career and the whole thing.

665
00:33:46,464 --> 00:33:48,339
And then, a few years later,

666
00:33:48,422 --> 00:33:51,172
I connected with her again,
and I said,

667
00:33:51,255 --> 00:33:54,214
you know, something like,
you know, "Let's have tea."

668
00:33:54,297 --> 00:33:57,297
And then I said to her, you know,
"I've never heard your music."

669
00:33:57,381 --> 00:33:59,673
So we went up to the
place I was staying,

670
00:33:59,756 --> 00:34:02,172
she took a guitar, we made tea,

671
00:34:02,255 --> 00:34:05,506
and she began playing a song.

672
00:34:05,589 --> 00:34:09,673
♪ I don't want to ♪

673
00:34:09,756 --> 00:34:12,881
♪ Show you ♪

674
00:34:12,964 --> 00:34:18,381
♪ The sadness in my heart ♪

675
00:34:18,464 --> 00:34:21,839
And I remember thinking,
"Oh, my fucking God."

676
00:34:21,923 --> 00:34:24,464
Like, when you suddenly realize,
like, oh, dear.

677
00:34:24,547 --> 00:34:27,464
I'm feeling so many
things right now

678
00:34:27,547 --> 00:34:30,839
that I can't... I
can't keep them in.

679
00:34:30,923 --> 00:34:33,381
They're just, they're just bubbling,
bubbling out of me.

680
00:34:33,464 --> 00:34:35,339
And I remember she
said to me at one point,

681
00:34:35,422 --> 00:34:37,172
"I'm thinking of
giving up music."

682
00:34:37,255 --> 00:34:38,589
And I said to her,

683
00:34:38,673 --> 00:34:40,964
"Give me five days of your life,

684
00:34:41,047 --> 00:34:44,714
"and then if you decide to give up music,
go for it.

685
00:34:44,798 --> 00:34:46,631
Give me five days, though."

686
00:34:47,631 --> 00:34:49,798
And she said yes.

687
00:34:55,255 --> 00:34:57,422
Bonnie Piesse: Before I
signed up for my first five-day,

688
00:34:57,506 --> 00:34:59,673
I was in a transition.

689
00:35:00,881 --> 00:35:02,339
For me, growing up,

690
00:35:02,422 --> 00:35:04,631
one of the ways that I
really expressed myself

691
00:35:04,714 --> 00:35:06,714
was to make music.

692
00:35:06,798 --> 00:35:08,964
I'd been very serious
about my music career,

693
00:35:09,047 --> 00:35:10,923
but things were
kind of falling apart

694
00:35:11,005 --> 00:35:12,673
with the record
label that I was with,

695
00:35:12,756 --> 00:35:15,798
and I was struggling
with fear and anxiety,

696
00:35:15,881 --> 00:35:19,255
and just not feeling very happy.

697
00:35:19,339 --> 00:35:22,130
So, I was looking for
something to relieve that,

698
00:35:22,214 --> 00:35:26,047
and to give me a deeper
understanding of life.

699
00:35:27,172 --> 00:35:29,589
And that's what I met Mark.

700
00:35:29,673 --> 00:35:31,798
I instantly trusted Mark,

701
00:35:31,881 --> 00:35:33,631
and I thought he was
a really good person.

702
00:35:33,714 --> 00:35:37,631
Like, it's something that I don't
really know how to describe,

703
00:35:37,714 --> 00:35:39,065
but, like,
I would look in his eyes

704
00:35:39,089 --> 00:35:41,047
and I just felt like
he really cares.

705
00:35:42,631 --> 00:35:44,839
I said, like,
"I'm trying to find this feeling,"

706
00:35:44,923 --> 00:35:48,673
and I described, like,
a peaceful, calm joy.

707
00:35:48,756 --> 00:35:52,089
He totally got it. He was like,
"Right. That feeling."

708
00:35:52,172 --> 00:35:53,297
That struck me.

709
00:35:53,381 --> 00:35:54,756
I had never had anyone pinpoint,

710
00:35:54,839 --> 00:35:57,506
like,
a feeling like that for me.

711
00:36:00,381 --> 00:36:03,547
I took my five-day in 2010.

712
00:36:03,631 --> 00:36:06,964
I remember some of the
questions that the coaches asked,

713
00:36:07,047 --> 00:36:09,130
and some of the ways
that they described

714
00:36:09,214 --> 00:36:11,464
how they thought that I felt

715
00:36:11,547 --> 00:36:14,881
were just so spot on.

716
00:36:15,005 --> 00:36:17,923
The whole five-day was set
up with these deep questions.

717
00:36:18,005 --> 00:36:20,130
Like,
you start right from the beginning.

718
00:36:20,214 --> 00:36:24,005
Things like, "What's the thing
you most regret in your life?

719
00:36:24,089 --> 00:36:25,798
Who do you most
love in the world?"

720
00:36:25,881 --> 00:36:28,964
Or, "Who do you feel you need
to make something right with?"

721
00:36:29,047 --> 00:36:31,673
So you're really going
into the deepest feelings

722
00:36:31,756 --> 00:36:34,172
that you've had about anything.

723
00:36:34,255 --> 00:36:37,881
And the coaches encourage
you to kind of let down your guard.

724
00:36:37,964 --> 00:36:39,506
They say it in a
really nice way,

725
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:42,589
and they're like teasing you in
a way that feels like tough love.

726
00:36:50,130 --> 00:36:51,839
Piesse: And everyone's doing it,

727
00:36:51,923 --> 00:36:53,506
and you get encouraged if you

728
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:56,714
show vulnerability, too.

729
00:36:56,798 --> 00:37:00,130
I knew that I wanted to
be a coach right away.

730
00:37:27,798 --> 00:37:29,047
(laughter)

731
00:37:29,130 --> 00:37:33,047
(indistinct chatter)

732
00:37:33,130 --> 00:37:36,464
Piesse: Within a week,
I had gone to Albany already and met Keith.

733
00:37:36,547 --> 00:37:40,673
I was amazed by the EM tech,
and I wanted to do that.

734
00:37:40,756 --> 00:37:43,089
The path to become an EMP

735
00:37:43,172 --> 00:37:45,381
was you had to get
on the Stripe Path,

736
00:37:45,464 --> 00:37:47,339
then go out and practice.

737
00:37:47,422 --> 00:37:49,214
And so I, I practiced.

738
00:37:49,756 --> 00:37:50,839
And I loved it.

739
00:37:50,923 --> 00:37:53,130
It was, like,
my favorite thing in the world.

740
00:37:53,214 --> 00:37:56,089
I loved it.

741
00:37:56,172 --> 00:38:01,089
I felt like, yeah,
the most deeply understood I had ever felt.

742
00:38:01,172 --> 00:38:03,839
I felt like I'd found my people.

743
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:07,714
And they just felt
like such good vibes

744
00:38:07,798 --> 00:38:09,089
compared to

745
00:38:09,172 --> 00:38:11,297
the situations I'd
been dealing with

746
00:38:11,381 --> 00:38:12,547
in the music industry.

747
00:38:12,631 --> 00:38:14,297
Here were people who were, like,

748
00:38:14,381 --> 00:38:15,464
really enjoying themselves,

749
00:38:15,547 --> 00:38:18,422
and working on
their internal world.

750
00:38:18,506 --> 00:38:21,339
And it felt much
more meaningful.

751
00:38:22,547 --> 00:38:24,964
Raniere: When we start
to understand principles,

752
00:38:25,047 --> 00:38:28,297
and in our new global world,

753
00:38:28,381 --> 00:38:31,297
there needs to be the
ethical humanitarian

754
00:38:31,381 --> 00:38:34,631
who is more ecological.
More visionary.

755
00:38:34,714 --> 00:38:35,839
More compassionate.

756
00:38:35,923 --> 00:38:38,631
And takes others into account.

757
00:38:38,714 --> 00:38:40,381
♪ ♪

758
00:38:40,464 --> 00:38:42,130
Piesse: In the beginning,

759
00:38:42,214 --> 00:38:44,214
I never actually
did really resonate

760
00:38:44,297 --> 00:38:46,923
with the word "ethics,"
or "ethical mission."

761
00:38:47,005 --> 00:38:50,089
But then, there were different
classes where you'd actually learn

762
00:38:50,172 --> 00:38:52,631
why bad things were
happening in the world.

763
00:38:52,714 --> 00:38:55,631
Like,
why there was corruption and unrest.

764
00:38:55,714 --> 00:38:57,631
This is the world.

765
00:38:57,714 --> 00:38:59,756
We have starving people, right?

766
00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:02,297
I'll just put starve. "Strave."

767
00:39:03,172 --> 00:39:04,339
Strave!

768
00:39:04,422 --> 00:39:08,214
And then we have... the whales.

769
00:39:08,297 --> 00:39:11,506
We have abused
animals in movies.

770
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:13,255
(class laughing)

771
00:39:13,339 --> 00:39:16,673
We have crime, murder,
all that sort of thing.

772
00:39:16,756 --> 00:39:18,923
All of these are effects.

773
00:39:19,005 --> 00:39:21,964
The problem's
right here. Let me...

774
00:39:22,923 --> 00:39:24,506
That's the problem.

775
00:39:24,589 --> 00:39:26,089
Blow it up.

776
00:39:28,422 --> 00:39:30,089
(class laughing)

777
00:39:30,172 --> 00:39:31,798
Right?

778
00:39:32,756 --> 00:39:34,631
There's no problem
with the planet.

779
00:39:34,714 --> 00:39:36,255
It's the stuff we do.

780
00:39:36,339 --> 00:39:38,422
You will be as
ethical as possible.

781
00:39:38,506 --> 00:39:42,005
You will be that which you
want to see in the world.

782
00:39:42,089 --> 00:39:45,214
If everyone was
integrated to some degree,

783
00:39:45,297 --> 00:39:46,732
do you think someone
who's integrated

784
00:39:46,756 --> 00:39:48,714
would go and steal
from someone else?

785
00:39:48,798 --> 00:39:51,547
Piesse: The ethical mission
that I did resonate with

786
00:39:51,631 --> 00:39:54,547
was this mission of
helping people integrate

787
00:39:54,631 --> 00:39:56,214
emotional reactions,

788
00:39:56,297 --> 00:39:58,631
so that they could
live the best life.

789
00:40:01,464 --> 00:40:04,339
Vicente: Marc Elliot
comes into ESP,

790
00:40:04,422 --> 00:40:07,255
and Marc Elliot has a pretty
severe case of Tourette's.

791
00:40:07,339 --> 00:40:09,547
(teeth clicking)

792
00:40:09,631 --> 00:40:12,214
And in his first intensive,
he's ticking like crazy,

793
00:40:12,297 --> 00:40:16,047
and saying all kinds of words on
two people, and it's just a mess.

794
00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:18,547
(muttering,
teeth clicking) Fuck, fuck, fuck.

795
00:40:18,631 --> 00:40:21,106
I have Tourette's, by the way. Just
wanna throw that out there, okay?

796
00:40:21,130 --> 00:40:23,214
Vicente: Nancy Salzman and Keith Raniere,
I believe,

797
00:40:23,297 --> 00:40:25,756
tried to figure out,
"What if we could cure this?"

798
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:29,255
So they begin working with him,
documenting his progress.

799
00:40:29,339 --> 00:40:32,339
And we start talking about,
"Okay, let's turn this into a film."

800
00:40:32,422 --> 00:40:34,673
Salzman: Keith Raniere
thought it would be a good idea

801
00:40:34,756 --> 00:40:36,881
for us to study other
people with Tourette's

802
00:40:36,964 --> 00:40:40,172
to see if we could have an
effect in a consistent way.

803
00:40:40,255 --> 00:40:42,005
The participants came to Albany.

804
00:40:42,089 --> 00:40:44,839
We filmed them working with
Nancy Salzman and the team.

805
00:40:44,923 --> 00:40:47,923
Salzman: When I met Isabella,
she had Tourette's,

806
00:40:48,005 --> 00:40:51,422
and she had a lot of
obsessive compulsive disorder

807
00:40:51,506 --> 00:40:53,339
with the Tourette's.

808
00:40:53,422 --> 00:40:55,047
We don't use any drugs.

809
00:40:55,130 --> 00:40:58,547
The only thing that we
use is a talk approach.

810
00:40:58,631 --> 00:41:01,255
I listen to where I think
that their beliefs are limited.

811
00:41:01,339 --> 00:41:04,756
And then I look at the stimulus
response patterns that they have,

812
00:41:04,839 --> 00:41:07,547
and I systematically
disconnect them.

813
00:41:07,631 --> 00:41:11,130
Isabella Constantino: I did
some EMs with Nancy, and...

814
00:41:11,214 --> 00:41:12,631
that went well.

815
00:41:12,714 --> 00:41:16,422
Uh, she said I seemed
like a real person. (laughs)

816
00:41:16,506 --> 00:41:20,297
I talked with my dad last night for
like 20 minutes, and it was really good.

817
00:41:20,381 --> 00:41:22,506
He called my mom. He said,
"It was really great

818
00:41:22,589 --> 00:41:24,464
having such a fluid
conversation with her."

819
00:41:24,547 --> 00:41:26,631
As soon as I
experienced these tools,

820
00:41:26,714 --> 00:41:29,255
I found that I was able
to change something

821
00:41:29,339 --> 00:41:31,798
that most people
believe is unchangeable.

822
00:41:31,881 --> 00:41:34,214
And now I live a life
without Tourette's.

823
00:41:34,297 --> 00:41:36,631
Vicente: The
difference is staggering.

824
00:41:36,714 --> 00:41:39,714
It's miraculous. You go like,
"How the fuck is this possible?"

825
00:41:39,798 --> 00:41:41,589
You know,
if you've never seen a saw before,

826
00:41:41,673 --> 00:41:44,714
suddenly the cut piece of
log seems like a miracle.

827
00:41:44,798 --> 00:41:46,339
It isn't. It's a tool.

828
00:41:46,422 --> 00:41:48,547
And in some cases,

829
00:41:48,631 --> 00:41:51,673
when conventional
solutions don't work,

830
00:41:51,756 --> 00:41:55,506
maybe the unconventional
way of thinking does.

831
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:57,798
Edmondson: Keith had
found a cure for Tourette's,

832
00:41:57,881 --> 00:42:00,714
which is a heightened version

833
00:42:00,798 --> 00:42:02,255
of what any of us do in ESP.

834
00:42:02,339 --> 00:42:05,089
You teach yourself
that you're in full control

835
00:42:05,172 --> 00:42:06,881
of your emotions at all times.

836
00:42:06,964 --> 00:42:09,673
In full control of your
responses at all times.

837
00:42:09,756 --> 00:42:12,005
♪ ♪

838
00:42:12,089 --> 00:42:13,889
Edmondson: There was
such a hopeful possibility

839
00:42:13,964 --> 00:42:17,047
of what we could do,
'cause if we can cure Tourette's,

840
00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:19,589
that it would give ESP
and NXIVM validity,

841
00:42:19,673 --> 00:42:21,923
especially in the
scientific world.

842
00:42:22,005 --> 00:42:23,589
That could change everything.

843
00:42:24,297 --> 00:42:26,589
I want to move the world.

844
00:42:26,673 --> 00:42:28,881
I want to change
the way it works.

845
00:42:28,964 --> 00:42:32,422
I want to have this
revolution work.

846
00:42:34,255 --> 00:42:35,798
The mission was,

847
00:42:35,881 --> 00:42:38,923
how could you get
people all over the world

848
00:42:39,005 --> 00:42:42,964
in positions of leadership
and power and influence

849
00:42:43,047 --> 00:42:45,881
to take this education,
to learn value,

850
00:42:45,964 --> 00:42:48,047
and learn to be humans.

851
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:51,297
And then change companies
and change governments.

852
00:42:51,381 --> 00:42:55,506
We should be building ethicists.

853
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:58,714
People are gonna elect
ethicists to be President.

854
00:42:58,798 --> 00:43:00,756
Vicente: And he would say,
we first have to reach

855
00:43:00,839 --> 00:43:02,798
the people that run
the motor of the world,

856
00:43:02,881 --> 00:43:04,506
to use Ayn Rand's term.

857
00:43:04,589 --> 00:43:06,589
We need the people
that run the motor.

858
00:43:06,673 --> 00:43:11,881
You know, Mark and I kind of
brought Hollywood to ESP, and...

859
00:43:12,005 --> 00:43:16,089
I wasn't famous in that world,
but in this case, I was the...

860
00:43:16,172 --> 00:43:19,339
entry point, with Mark,
to that world.

861
00:43:21,547 --> 00:43:23,255
Vicente: Basically,
what happened is

862
00:43:23,339 --> 00:43:26,339
Sarah and I had started, like,
enrolling all the celebrities.

863
00:43:26,422 --> 00:43:30,255
Richard Branson let us host
an intensive on Necker Island.

864
00:43:30,339 --> 00:43:33,172
We had Catherine Oxenberg,
the star of the TV show "Dynasty,"

865
00:43:33,255 --> 00:43:35,214
take classes with her daughter,
India.

866
00:43:35,297 --> 00:43:38,047
I spent most of my
time working on strategy.

867
00:43:38,130 --> 00:43:40,005
Sarah said she wanted to talk to,
like,

868
00:43:40,089 --> 00:43:41,923
as many people as possible.

869
00:43:42,005 --> 00:43:44,631
Sometimes people
can surprise you.

870
00:43:45,923 --> 00:43:47,422
I think it's kind of cool.

871
00:43:47,506 --> 00:43:50,422
I'm Kristin, as you know. Um,
I'm excited to work with you guys,

872
00:43:50,506 --> 00:43:53,839
-and I don't know what else to say.
-(group laughing)

873
00:43:54,964 --> 00:43:56,547
Romeo 1, Raptor 312.

874
00:43:56,631 --> 00:43:58,089
I'm back,
and I brought a friend.

875
00:43:58,172 --> 00:44:01,255
If I were to describe Keith to
someone who'd never met him,

876
00:44:01,339 --> 00:44:03,839
I would probably express

877
00:44:03,923 --> 00:44:06,964
almost how surprised
I was how open he is.

878
00:44:07,047 --> 00:44:08,506
I hate this part.

879
00:44:10,089 --> 00:44:13,005
I struggle sometimes,
a lot of times,

880
00:44:13,089 --> 00:44:14,631
to really push myself,

881
00:44:14,714 --> 00:44:17,631
and it's that. It's
that extra push.

882
00:44:17,714 --> 00:44:19,464
It's that, you know, really

883
00:44:19,547 --> 00:44:22,381
owning what's
important to me in my life.

884
00:44:24,005 --> 00:44:25,631
Raniere: We have many,
many people

885
00:44:25,714 --> 00:44:28,589
who have taken great
values from our program

886
00:44:28,673 --> 00:44:30,631
and their association with us.

887
00:44:30,714 --> 00:44:33,422
Hello. My name
is Emiliano Salinas.

888
00:44:33,506 --> 00:44:35,339
I come from a political family.

889
00:44:35,422 --> 00:44:37,339
My father was
President of Mexico

890
00:44:37,422 --> 00:44:39,297
from 1988 to 1994,

891
00:44:39,381 --> 00:44:41,923
a time of tremendous
transformation for my country,

892
00:44:42,005 --> 00:44:44,631
which inspired me to pursue
a deeper understanding

893
00:44:44,714 --> 00:44:47,172
of human and
social transformation.

894
00:44:47,255 --> 00:44:49,255
Vicente: When I joined NXIVM,
I found that

895
00:44:49,339 --> 00:44:52,047
it was already backed by
two extremely wealthy women,

896
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:54,089
Sara Bronfman
and Clare Bronfman,

897
00:44:54,172 --> 00:44:56,589
who were the heiresses
to the Seagram's empire.

898
00:44:56,673 --> 00:45:00,089
Sara and Clare went out
looking for powerful people.

899
00:45:01,589 --> 00:45:03,673
Sara Bronfman: I
grew up with resources,

900
00:45:03,756 --> 00:45:05,255
and it was very
scary for me to know

901
00:45:05,339 --> 00:45:08,631
how to best use those resources
in the world to do good things.

902
00:45:08,714 --> 00:45:12,172
Vicente: And it was Sara that
actually arranged for the Dalai Lama

903
00:45:12,255 --> 00:45:13,547
to come to Albany.

904
00:45:13,631 --> 00:45:16,422
It was a very big deal that
the Dalai Lama was coming,

905
00:45:16,506 --> 00:45:18,464
'cause he was endorsing NXIVM.

906
00:45:18,547 --> 00:45:20,756
It is my moral responsibility

907
00:45:20,839 --> 00:45:23,214
to support any movement

908
00:45:23,297 --> 00:45:25,673
who are working for ethics.

909
00:45:25,756 --> 00:45:27,673
That was, I mean, mind-blowing,

910
00:45:27,756 --> 00:45:30,172
the possibility of what
could happen with that.

911
00:45:30,964 --> 00:45:32,673
Never found in my life

912
00:45:32,756 --> 00:45:34,839
a place where you can
meet amazing individuals

913
00:45:34,923 --> 00:45:37,923
that, like me,
are looking to create a better world.

914
00:45:38,005 --> 00:45:40,339
This was something, that,
it was in my heart, always,

915
00:45:40,422 --> 00:45:42,047
you know, that,
"How do I do better?"

916
00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:44,881
Before,
I felt this kind of ongoing stress.

917
00:45:44,964 --> 00:45:48,381
I was constantly working, and I felt
like I was just scrambling all the time.

918
00:45:48,464 --> 00:45:50,940
It was Harvard Business School. I
thought you couldn't get better than that.

919
00:45:50,964 --> 00:45:53,673
I was never any better
than that of my next job.

920
00:45:53,756 --> 00:45:56,005
A lot of people that I
know were facing that.

921
00:45:56,089 --> 00:45:57,422
A lot of women, in particular.

922
00:45:57,506 --> 00:45:59,589
Vicente: What if it doesn't
have to be that way?

923
00:45:59,673 --> 00:46:01,923
Edmondson: I felt
like I was finding it all.

924
00:46:02,005 --> 00:46:04,047
Meaning...

925
00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:06,756
Community...

926
00:46:06,839 --> 00:46:10,005
Oh, this is the family,
this is the group of people

927
00:46:10,089 --> 00:46:11,756
that I've been looking
for my whole life

928
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:13,506
that actually are
gonna have impact.

929
00:46:14,422 --> 00:46:15,589
- Hi! - Hey!

930
00:46:15,673 --> 00:46:18,255
This actually helps you,
so that you can build love.

931
00:46:18,339 --> 00:46:20,673
And I think that's the
most valuable thing.

932
00:46:20,756 --> 00:46:22,464
That, that changes the world.

933
00:46:22,547 --> 00:46:23,987
Vicente: There's
another way to live.

934
00:46:24,047 --> 00:46:25,255
There's another way to relate.

935
00:46:25,339 --> 00:46:27,315
So when you can get tools
that allow you to do that,

936
00:46:27,339 --> 00:46:28,964
that's worth everything.

937
00:46:29,047 --> 00:46:30,464
When I first came to ESP,

938
00:46:30,547 --> 00:46:32,881
I had, on the surface, something

939
00:46:32,964 --> 00:46:35,923
that seemed to be, like,
the perfect life, or a pretty good life.

940
00:46:36,005 --> 00:46:39,339
Like, superficially, materialistically,
I was very successful.

941
00:46:40,464 --> 00:46:42,172
Edmondson: Um...

942
00:46:42,547 --> 00:46:44,172
Allie Mack.

943
00:46:44,255 --> 00:46:46,130
I remember when she
did our first training,

944
00:46:46,214 --> 00:46:48,174
and then she hopped on
a plane and went right back

945
00:46:48,255 --> 00:46:50,714
after the training with Nancy
and Lauren to meet Keith.

946
00:46:50,798 --> 00:46:52,881
I think that was pretty...

947
00:46:52,964 --> 00:46:54,297
exciting for the company.

948
00:46:54,381 --> 00:46:56,339
I mean,
she was... She had her own show,

949
00:46:56,422 --> 00:46:59,130
and she had a little
following of young women

950
00:46:59,214 --> 00:47:00,464
who looked up to her.

951
00:47:00,547 --> 00:47:01,547
- Hi. - Hey.

952
00:47:01,631 --> 00:47:03,255
- You know me. - You... (laughs)

953
00:47:03,339 --> 00:47:05,464
You know me. Um, I'm Allison.

954
00:47:05,547 --> 00:47:08,381
I've been an actress
since I was four years old,

955
00:47:08,464 --> 00:47:09,881
and I moved here
from New York City,

956
00:47:09,964 --> 00:47:12,214
and really, my pursuit in ESP

957
00:47:12,297 --> 00:47:14,214
has been one really
about my relationships.

958
00:47:14,297 --> 00:47:17,089
I wanted to be this, like,
loving, compassionate woman

959
00:47:17,172 --> 00:47:20,089
that I played on TV, and, like,
have all these noble characteristics

960
00:47:20,172 --> 00:47:22,798
that I did really well when
I had a script in front of me.

961
00:47:24,506 --> 00:47:27,339
Vicente: Allison was
the life of the party.

962
00:47:27,422 --> 00:47:30,005
We would talk
about art and movies,

963
00:47:30,089 --> 00:47:32,839
and creating this
community of artists.

964
00:47:32,923 --> 00:47:35,005
And the house that
we all moved into,

965
00:47:35,089 --> 00:47:38,297
the townhouse, which was three floors,
was, was to be that.

966
00:47:38,381 --> 00:47:40,339
You know, it was,
top floor was me and Bonnie,

967
00:47:40,422 --> 00:47:43,062
she was in the middle floor,
and in the basement was like, you know,

968
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:46,297
screening room and the editing rooms,
and all... It was great.

969
00:47:48,005 --> 00:47:50,464
I had this dream,
as well, of like,

970
00:47:50,547 --> 00:47:52,172
okay,
it's great to just have ESP,

971
00:47:52,255 --> 00:47:54,964
but we need different
things for different people.

972
00:47:55,047 --> 00:47:56,506
As the years go by,

973
00:47:56,589 --> 00:47:59,005
you know,
we have individual companies

974
00:47:59,089 --> 00:48:00,339
that people are starting up.

975
00:48:00,422 --> 00:48:02,214
When you came
into the organization,

976
00:48:02,297 --> 00:48:04,547
ESP was generally the gateway.

977
00:48:04,631 --> 00:48:07,756
And then there was this whole,
a whole entire civilization.

978
00:48:09,923 --> 00:48:13,631
You know,
we have Jness happening for women.

979
00:48:13,714 --> 00:48:17,255
We were probably six
or seven years into ESP

980
00:48:17,339 --> 00:48:18,714
when Jness came around.

981
00:48:18,798 --> 00:48:20,923
Keith started talking
about the fact that

982
00:48:21,005 --> 00:48:22,881
the women could
change the world.

983
00:48:22,964 --> 00:48:25,673
I put on the very first women's
only Jness training in 2006.

984
00:48:25,756 --> 00:48:28,381
There was about 40 or
50 women in that training.

985
00:48:28,464 --> 00:48:30,798
And I loved it. I thought,
I thought it was beautiful.

986
00:48:30,881 --> 00:48:32,089
I thought it was great.

987
00:48:32,172 --> 00:48:34,964
Vicente: We have
SOP happening for men.

988
00:48:35,047 --> 00:48:38,339
Can you imagine a
close-knit team of reliable men

989
00:48:38,422 --> 00:48:41,964
working together to have better lives,
and a better world.

990
00:48:42,047 --> 00:48:44,422
Vicente: You know,
if you wanted to work on your body,

991
00:48:44,506 --> 00:48:46,255
on fitness, there was exo/eso.

992
00:48:46,339 --> 00:48:49,464
Exo/eso is what Bonnie
started with five other women.

993
00:48:49,547 --> 00:48:51,130
Piesse: It was
like a yoga class.

994
00:48:51,214 --> 00:48:53,923
I felt like that was more
closer to my purpose

995
00:48:54,005 --> 00:48:56,255
of, like,
a performing arts technique,

996
00:48:56,339 --> 00:48:58,589
and tools to help
actors and singers

997
00:48:58,673 --> 00:49:01,547
and all these things,
so I was really excited about that.

998
00:49:01,631 --> 00:49:03,089
Vicente: If you
wanted to work on

999
00:49:03,172 --> 00:49:05,506
performance and public speaking,
there was The Source.

1000
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:08,047
Hi. I'm Allison Mack and I'm
the president of The Source.

1001
00:49:08,130 --> 00:49:11,130
Don't worry if you feel like,
"I'm not an actor. What am I doing here?"

1002
00:49:11,214 --> 00:49:14,422
'Cause this is really a study
of compassion, empathy.

1003
00:49:14,506 --> 00:49:16,589
Your whole being
is gonna change.

1004
00:49:16,673 --> 00:49:18,756
Vicente: We have
Rainbow Cultural Garden,

1005
00:49:18,839 --> 00:49:20,339
a daycare program for children

1006
00:49:20,422 --> 00:49:23,964
where they're taught multiple
languages from an early age.

1007
00:49:24,881 --> 00:49:26,798
(child speaking Hindi)

1008
00:49:31,547 --> 00:49:33,714
Vicente: There's just this
array of stuff happening,

1009
00:49:33,798 --> 00:49:36,547
so it's like an empire.

1010
00:49:38,339 --> 00:49:40,499
So when people say, like,
"How did you spend 12 years?"

1011
00:49:40,547 --> 00:49:43,089
Because there was
a lot of shit to work on.

1012
00:49:43,172 --> 00:49:45,673
I had a vision and,
and Mark and I,

1013
00:49:45,756 --> 00:49:47,815
you know, have been talking
about this from the beginning,

1014
00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:48,714
of creating a center.

1015
00:49:48,798 --> 00:49:50,964
That was, that was our dream.

1016
00:49:51,047 --> 00:49:53,589
When I come into ESP in 2005,

1017
00:49:53,673 --> 00:49:55,881
there's a center in Albany,

1018
00:49:55,964 --> 00:49:58,756
there's a center in
Saratoga Springs,

1019
00:49:58,839 --> 00:50:00,714
and there's the
center in Seattle.

1020
00:50:00,798 --> 00:50:03,839
And as the years ago by,
there's all this growth that happens.

1021
00:50:03,923 --> 00:50:06,089
New York City center opens.

1022
00:50:06,172 --> 00:50:08,089
Orange County is
wanting to have a center.

1023
00:50:08,172 --> 00:50:10,589
LA has a center. San
Francisco's building a center.

1024
00:50:10,673 --> 00:50:12,381
Miami,
we're working on having a center.

1025
00:50:12,464 --> 00:50:14,798
London,
we're working on having a center.

1026
00:50:14,881 --> 00:50:17,255
Then we have Mexico
City center opens.

1027
00:50:17,339 --> 00:50:20,506
Guadalajara opens.
Monterrey opens. Leon opens.

1028
00:50:20,589 --> 00:50:24,339
And pretty much the entire
Mexican ESP community began.

1029
00:50:24,422 --> 00:50:29,339
(Edgar Boone speaking Spanish)

1030
00:50:29,422 --> 00:50:31,964
Vicente: And everybody
wants to open the next center.

1031
00:50:33,255 --> 00:50:35,673
And then I got asked to
be on the executive board.

1032
00:50:35,756 --> 00:50:38,798
"Now you can open centers." And I'm like,
"This is great!"

1033
00:50:38,881 --> 00:50:41,297
I call Sarah up and I say,
"We're doing it."

1034
00:50:41,381 --> 00:50:42,732
- Edmondson: Oh, my God!
- Vicente: Ready? Ready?

1035
00:50:42,756 --> 00:50:44,231
- Edmondson: Yeah.
- Vicente: Here we go.

1036
00:50:44,255 --> 00:50:46,523
- (crowd laughing,
cheering) - This could not have been built

1037
00:50:46,547 --> 00:50:50,506
had, um,
Prefect Nancy Salzman not existed.

1038
00:50:50,589 --> 00:50:52,089
And had Vanguard not existed.

1039
00:50:52,172 --> 00:50:53,547
So, know that we are...

1040
00:50:53,631 --> 00:50:55,547
We are standing on
the shoulders of giants.

1041
00:50:55,631 --> 00:50:58,339
(crowd clapping)

1042
00:50:58,422 --> 00:51:01,381
Salzman: I just want to say
something. This is so cool.

1043
00:51:01,464 --> 00:51:04,798
-(crowd laughing) -Being
here is so much fun for me.

1044
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:08,631
I have nothing but...

1045
00:51:08,714 --> 00:51:11,964
the highest esteem
for Mark Vicente.

1046
00:51:12,047 --> 00:51:13,881
And I know that you know that.

1047
00:51:13,964 --> 00:51:15,273
I mean,
I hope that you know that.

1048
00:51:15,297 --> 00:51:17,923
He's one of my dearest
friends in the entire world.

1049
00:51:18,005 --> 00:51:20,214
And so it's just
a real joy for me

1050
00:51:20,297 --> 00:51:22,714
to support you,

1051
00:51:22,798 --> 00:51:25,673
and to support you...

1052
00:51:25,756 --> 00:51:27,547
Proctor Edmondson.

1053
00:51:27,631 --> 00:51:29,255
I have said in the past

1054
00:51:29,339 --> 00:51:31,714
if I had a couple
more teams like this,

1055
00:51:31,798 --> 00:51:34,839
-I know I could change the entire world.
-(audience clapping)

1056
00:51:34,923 --> 00:51:36,297
Edmondson: I
worked for a company

1057
00:51:36,381 --> 00:51:40,214
that had practices
that were not traditional.

1058
00:51:40,297 --> 00:51:41,798
But everything made sense

1059
00:51:41,881 --> 00:51:44,106
once you understood the
meaning and what the purpose was.

1060
00:51:44,130 --> 00:51:46,756
And that company
was teaching ethics,

1061
00:51:46,839 --> 00:51:50,756
and human potential,
and professional development.

1062
00:51:50,839 --> 00:51:53,255
- Vicente: Bonnie and I went to Keith.
- Okay, ask me.

1063
00:51:53,339 --> 00:51:56,130
Vicente: And we basically said,
"We're gonna get married."

1064
00:51:56,214 --> 00:51:59,422
And so we're trying to figure out,
like, how would we craft our vows?

1065
00:51:59,506 --> 00:52:01,839
(footsteps approaching)

1066
00:52:01,923 --> 00:52:03,547
Raniere: This will help.

1067
00:52:15,047 --> 00:52:18,381
Vicente: I think he actually
suggested that he could write the vows.

1068
00:52:37,255 --> 00:52:39,381
Raniere: Do you understand?

1069
00:52:39,464 --> 00:52:41,673
(Raniere continues speaking)

1070
00:52:51,631 --> 00:52:53,881
Vicente: It was pretty much
only NXIVM at the wedding,

1071
00:52:53,964 --> 00:52:56,923
other than, uh, Bonnie's mom.

1072
00:52:57,714 --> 00:53:00,089
(camera shutter clicking)

1073
00:53:03,881 --> 00:53:07,881
We realized later we'd
never had a honeymoon.

1074
00:53:09,089 --> 00:53:11,839
♪ ♪

1075
00:53:11,923 --> 00:53:13,923
(sniffles)

1076
00:53:23,673 --> 00:53:26,047
(whispers): It always
gets me by surprise.

1077
00:53:31,089 --> 00:53:33,923
I feel like my life with
Bonnie was stolen.

1078
00:53:35,130 --> 00:53:38,297
And I wanna have that
life. I wanna get it back.

1079
00:53:38,381 --> 00:53:41,089
♪ ♪

1080
00:53:42,589 --> 00:53:44,172
Bonnie got there first.

1081
00:53:44,255 --> 00:53:45,631
(gasps)

1082
00:53:47,798 --> 00:53:49,798
It took me longer.

1083
00:53:51,214 --> 00:53:53,005
(phone line ringing)

1084
00:54:36,381 --> 00:54:38,881
♪ ♪

1085
00:55:52,964 --> 00:55:55,047
♪ (WOMAN SINGS) ♪

1086
00:55:55,923 --> 00:55:57,631
WOMAN: Keith used
to teach some of us that

1087
00:55:57,714 --> 00:55:59,255
on the path to enlightenment,

1088
00:55:59,339 --> 00:56:01,547
you'd reach this
barren wasteland,

1089
00:56:01,631 --> 00:56:04,130
just space of nothing,
before you find this...

1090
00:56:04,756 --> 00:56:05,798
ultimate joy.

1091
00:56:07,297 --> 00:56:09,297
WOMAN 2: I'm having
a number of flashbacks.

1092
00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:11,440
(OVER PHONE) That
only seem bad to me.

1093
00:56:11,464 --> 00:56:15,130
WOMAN 3: Transition
to the feeling of suffering.

1094
00:56:15,214 --> 00:56:17,422
My body was
starting to fall apart.

1095
00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:19,231
MAN: (OVER PHONE)
Freedom's not gonna happen

1096
00:56:19,255 --> 00:56:20,255
in the monastery.

1097
00:56:20,464 --> 00:56:22,424
WOMAN: (OVER PHONE) Well,
it's not in a monastery.

1098
00:56:22,964 --> 00:56:24,089
It is a prison.

1099
00:56:24,964 --> 00:56:25,881
So you're gonna have to do

1100
00:56:25,964 --> 00:56:27,589
that part of your
life without me.

1101
00:56:28,589 --> 00:56:30,589
♪ (INTENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪

1102
00:56:30,964 --> 00:56:31,964
There's no way out.

1103
00:56:32,464 --> 00:56:35,756
It was like,
there was a crack in the dam.

1104
00:56:36,631 --> 00:56:37,798
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪

1105
00:56:37,822 --> 00:56:40,822
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