1 00:00:12,709 --> 00:00:14,083 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 2 00:00:15,500 --> 00:00:17,709 SARAH EDMONSON: I'm the front page of the New York Times. 3 00:00:18,250 --> 00:00:20,500 All of a sudden, the whole world knows. 4 00:00:20,834 --> 00:00:22,917 I'm hoping the authorities will take another look. 5 00:00:23,208 --> 00:00:24,417 WOMAN: I hope so too. 6 00:00:25,667 --> 00:00:29,083 KRISTIN KEEFFE: I gave up making millions to help build the company. 7 00:00:29,667 --> 00:00:31,250 During my nine years there, 8 00:00:31,333 --> 00:00:33,250 there were 12 women he was intimate with. 9 00:00:34,291 --> 00:00:35,166 I held a forum. 10 00:00:35,709 --> 00:00:38,083 WOMAN 2: There were nine women who wanted to confront Keith. 11 00:00:38,333 --> 00:00:39,250 We all resigned. 12 00:00:39,542 --> 00:00:42,041 We wrote our resignation letter asking for money 13 00:00:42,125 --> 00:00:43,041 that was owed to us. 14 00:00:43,333 --> 00:00:46,125 This is extortion. We are filing criminal charges. 15 00:00:46,458 --> 00:00:47,792 WOMAN 2: They said that I had done 16 00:00:47,875 --> 00:00:49,542 all of these crimes against them. 17 00:00:49,625 --> 00:00:51,333 So I had to defend all of those. 18 00:00:51,625 --> 00:00:53,709 CATHERINE OXENERG: I just spoke to Frank Parlato. 19 00:00:53,792 --> 00:00:55,083 MAN: 20 00:00:56,792 --> 00:00:57,875 CATHERINE: This is my last resort, 21 00:00:57,959 --> 00:00:58,834 going to the media, 22 00:00:59,333 --> 00:01:01,041 and unless there's outrage, the authorities are not gonna 23 00:01:01,125 --> 00:01:02,875 step in and do what they should do, 24 00:01:03,125 --> 00:01:04,291 which is shut this down. 25 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:06,875 Oh, my God, it's the attorney general! 26 00:01:07,291 --> 00:01:08,458 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 27 00:01:22,458 --> 00:01:26,792 Nancy Salzman: The negative aspect of shame is what you feel with guilt. 28 00:01:28,125 --> 00:01:30,583 Shame is actually the fear of approaching, 29 00:01:30,667 --> 00:01:32,583 or being associated with others, 30 00:01:32,667 --> 00:01:34,375 because of whatever you did. 31 00:01:37,291 --> 00:01:40,333 In other words, you did something that was shameful. 32 00:01:44,625 --> 00:01:48,208 Shame is when you don't want to be associated with something, 33 00:01:48,291 --> 00:01:50,834 so you fearfully run away from it. 34 00:01:52,333 --> 00:01:56,041 Just like guilt, shame is a verdict we pass on ourselves. 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,583 But the issue here is how you handle shame. 36 00:02:01,667 --> 00:02:04,834 (fire crackling) 37 00:02:07,875 --> 00:02:11,542 Someone who is at cause doesn't feel shame in the same way. 38 00:02:12,667 --> 00:02:15,458 As the results of their actions unfold to them, 39 00:02:15,542 --> 00:02:18,667 they feel a strong motivation to stop it. 40 00:02:21,709 --> 00:02:26,000 When the at cause person sees something they've done going awry, 41 00:02:26,083 --> 00:02:28,959 and realizes that they've participated in something 42 00:02:29,041 --> 00:02:31,500 that goes against their values, 43 00:02:31,583 --> 00:02:34,709 they're motivated to face it, and do something about it. 44 00:02:36,041 --> 00:02:37,917 They feel empowered. 45 00:02:46,875 --> 00:02:49,959 ("Dream State" by Son Lux playing) 46 00:02:52,208 --> 00:02:53,959 ♪ Days we were young ♪ 47 00:02:54,041 --> 00:02:59,458 ♪ We took photographs of everything we could see ♪ 48 00:02:59,542 --> 00:03:03,166 ♪ We had to run from it ♪ 49 00:03:03,250 --> 00:03:05,166 ♪ Priest and prophetess ♪ 50 00:03:05,250 --> 00:03:09,917 ♪ We were nothing we would defy ♪ 51 00:03:11,417 --> 00:03:15,208 ♪ Oh, invisible skin ♪ 52 00:03:15,291 --> 00:03:18,417 ♪ Where is the world within ♪ 53 00:03:19,083 --> 00:03:21,333 ♪ Invincible skin ♪ 54 00:03:21,417 --> 00:03:24,250 ♪ It's how we all begin ♪ 55 00:03:42,792 --> 00:03:44,500 Catherine Oxenberg: In the past two weeks, 56 00:03:44,583 --> 00:03:46,542 since the "New York Times" articles have come out, 57 00:03:46,625 --> 00:03:50,125 I would say 100 publications have picked up the story. 58 00:03:51,583 --> 00:03:54,959 "People" to "Megyn Kelly" to "20/20," "Nightline." 59 00:03:55,834 --> 00:03:59,000 This is, like, all over the freaking world. 60 00:04:00,083 --> 00:04:01,583 And I am conflicted, 61 00:04:01,667 --> 00:04:04,875 because I have a child who's blaming me 62 00:04:04,959 --> 00:04:07,792 for potentially destroying her reputation for the rest of her life. 63 00:04:09,625 --> 00:04:13,291 This is a horrible situation for a parent to be in. 64 00:04:19,625 --> 00:04:21,750 He's not even commented. 65 00:04:21,834 --> 00:04:25,375 I sent him the media that we got online yesterday, 66 00:04:25,458 --> 00:04:27,083 I texted him the cover of the newspaper. 67 00:04:27,166 --> 00:04:28,959 He's not even-- I said, "We need to talk." 68 00:04:29,333 --> 00:04:31,834 Nothing. Nothing! 69 00:04:37,500 --> 00:04:40,959 And I am a tad hysterical right now. 70 00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:46,041 Part of me was fantasizing that she would say, "Mom, come get me. 71 00:04:46,125 --> 00:04:47,625 You're right. I want to come home." 72 00:04:47,709 --> 00:04:49,542 And that's not the case at all. 73 00:04:49,625 --> 00:04:51,375 In fact, quite the opposite. 74 00:04:53,083 --> 00:04:55,375 (sighs) I texted her... 75 00:04:59,709 --> 00:05:02,250 "Darling, please call me. I love you." 76 00:05:03,375 --> 00:05:05,208 Nothing. No response. 77 00:05:08,709 --> 00:05:10,333 And quite frankly, if I were in her position, 78 00:05:10,417 --> 00:05:12,333 I would be pretty pissed, too. 79 00:05:18,417 --> 00:05:21,208 (video chat beeping) 80 00:05:22,750 --> 00:05:24,166 Sarah Edmondson (over computer): Hello? 81 00:05:24,250 --> 00:05:25,583 Oxenberg: Hi, love. 82 00:05:25,667 --> 00:05:27,959 -How are you? -I'm okay. 83 00:05:28,041 --> 00:05:29,667 Edmondson: Catherine, you said you have news. 84 00:05:29,750 --> 00:05:31,250 -Can you fill us in? -(phone ringing) 85 00:05:31,333 --> 00:05:33,500 Oxenberg (over computer): Yeah. Okay, so, 86 00:05:33,583 --> 00:05:37,333 the chief investigator in the Attorney General Schneiderman's office 87 00:05:37,417 --> 00:05:38,959 has reached out to me, 88 00:05:39,041 --> 00:05:41,834 and they're interested in the criminal angle. 89 00:05:41,917 --> 00:05:44,000 What we need 90 00:05:44,083 --> 00:05:45,667 is evidence of criminality, 91 00:05:45,750 --> 00:05:47,875 that will help bolster a criminal case. 92 00:05:48,417 --> 00:05:50,625 We need to be able to collect all the evidence, 93 00:05:50,709 --> 00:05:54,125 -to hand a package in to the authorities. -Okay. 94 00:05:54,208 --> 00:05:56,542 Mark Vicente (over computer): We need more people to come out on the record, 95 00:05:56,625 --> 00:05:59,166 stating their experience. And if those people 96 00:05:59,250 --> 00:06:01,166 have been involved in illegal activities, 97 00:06:01,250 --> 00:06:02,417 or aware of illegal activities, 98 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:04,166 - we need that information. -Oxenberg: Mm-hmm. 99 00:06:04,250 --> 00:06:06,000 Edmondson: Okay, here is a question, guys. 100 00:06:06,083 --> 00:06:07,625 Who can we bring in to help us, 101 00:06:07,709 --> 00:06:09,333 because all of us can't do all of this. 102 00:06:09,417 --> 00:06:12,375 Look-- look, remember, we have different agendas. 103 00:06:12,458 --> 00:06:13,834 I have a child to save. 104 00:06:13,917 --> 00:06:15,834 -I don't want to burden you... -Of course. 105 00:06:15,917 --> 00:06:17,542 -with extra stuff, so. -No. 106 00:06:17,625 --> 00:06:19,875 Edmondson: This is, she's not my child, but I... 107 00:06:19,959 --> 00:06:22,417 I'll have your back wherever you want me to have your back. 108 00:06:23,291 --> 00:06:25,792 -Okay? -Thank you, Sarah. That means a lot to me. 109 00:06:28,583 --> 00:06:30,208 Edmondson: All right, I'm gonna start a list. 110 00:06:30,291 --> 00:06:32,208 Anyone for sure that we can trust. 111 00:06:32,291 --> 00:06:34,333 And I'm just gonna say, "Who wants to help?" 112 00:06:34,417 --> 00:06:35,709 Is that okay? 113 00:06:35,792 --> 00:06:37,709 -Yeah, fantastic. -Yeah, that's great. I think that's great. 114 00:06:37,792 --> 00:06:39,500 Vicente: And remember Frank Parlato? 115 00:06:42,834 --> 00:06:46,709 He has a lot of sources inside and outside of ESP 116 00:06:46,792 --> 00:06:47,875 that report to him. 117 00:06:47,959 --> 00:06:49,333 He's says he's got about 30 people. 118 00:06:50,125 --> 00:06:52,041 Right now, he has more information 119 00:06:52,125 --> 00:06:53,542 about what's going on than really anybody else. 120 00:06:56,500 --> 00:06:58,875 Bonnie Piesse: Some of the stuff Frank writes is very vulgar, 121 00:06:58,959 --> 00:07:00,917 and over the top. 122 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,750 Like it's really rough. 123 00:07:02,834 --> 00:07:06,917 ♪♪ 124 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,166 Oxenberg: Every time there's an article about India, 125 00:07:09,667 --> 00:07:11,500 -and they're usually pretty graphic... -Piesse: Mm-hmm. 126 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:14,458 It hurts. 127 00:07:16,291 --> 00:07:18,625 But I don't interfere with his reporting. 128 00:07:27,500 --> 00:07:29,041 -Is that what it was? -Nippy Ames: Yeah. 129 00:07:29,125 --> 00:07:32,041 (Ames speaking) 130 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:34,458 (toaster beeps) 131 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:39,625 Ames: I mean, he's kind of strong-arming these women 132 00:07:39,709 --> 00:07:40,959 who are not really understanding. 133 00:07:41,041 --> 00:07:43,333 They're scared to come out, and get, 134 00:07:43,417 --> 00:07:45,000 you know, screwed by this whole thing. 135 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:48,417 He's not at all remotely sensitive to that. 136 00:07:48,500 --> 00:07:51,125 Edmondson: (sighs) Frank has published lies 137 00:07:51,208 --> 00:07:53,583 about people that have really hurt them. 138 00:07:55,166 --> 00:07:58,750 Ames: I think he is potentially guilty of some things 139 00:07:59,750 --> 00:08:02,542 but they pale in comparison to everything else that's going on. 140 00:08:06,041 --> 00:08:07,917 (phone jingling) 141 00:08:11,917 --> 00:08:13,542 Oxenberg: Frank Parlato. 142 00:08:15,542 --> 00:08:16,792 -Frank? -Frank Parlato (over phone): 143 00:08:16,875 --> 00:08:19,291 -Oxenberg: Hey, how are you? -I'm okay. 144 00:08:19,375 --> 00:08:21,709 Oxenberg: The chief investigator called me. 145 00:08:21,792 --> 00:08:24,917 He wants a meeting with me on Monday, November 6th. 146 00:08:25,709 --> 00:08:28,125 But I need all the evidence in hand. 147 00:08:28,208 --> 00:08:30,166 Otherwise, it's a waste of a meeting. 148 00:08:30,250 --> 00:08:32,291 But I want to strategize, and... 149 00:08:32,375 --> 00:08:34,792 I'm-- Are you available that weekend prior? 150 00:08:35,458 --> 00:08:37,625 (Parlato speaking) 151 00:08:39,917 --> 00:08:42,041 Monday. So I have the weekend to prepare. 152 00:08:43,375 --> 00:08:45,083 (Parlato speaking) 153 00:08:56,125 --> 00:08:57,166 Mm-hmm. 154 00:08:57,250 --> 00:09:00,583 ♪♪ 155 00:09:07,792 --> 00:09:09,458 Oxenberg: I've never met him in person. 156 00:09:10,625 --> 00:09:12,542 I imagine he's a character. 157 00:09:12,625 --> 00:09:14,500 He is a character. 158 00:09:15,792 --> 00:09:19,333 And he was kind of odd on the phone when I first reached out. 159 00:09:19,417 --> 00:09:21,583 But the more I got to know him, 160 00:09:21,667 --> 00:09:23,959 the more I realized we have the same agenda. 161 00:09:25,125 --> 00:09:27,667 And I think he's helped a lot of people get out. 162 00:09:34,291 --> 00:09:36,458 (line ringing) 163 00:09:41,291 --> 00:09:42,959 Mom, you picked up! 164 00:09:44,375 --> 00:09:46,291 -Princess Elizabeth: What? -I said hello. 165 00:09:48,458 --> 00:09:50,667 Oxenberg: Listen, I need you to do something. 166 00:09:51,709 --> 00:09:52,834 (Princess Elizabeth speaking) 167 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,417 Oxenberg: Can you call Charles and get a direct contact 168 00:09:56,500 --> 00:09:58,250 -with the Dalai Lama? -Princess Elizabeth: Uh-huh? 169 00:09:58,333 --> 00:10:01,417 I want to tell him that my daughter's being held as a sex slave, 170 00:10:01,500 --> 00:10:03,417 -to this organization because... -Princess Elizabeth: Yes. 171 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:06,709 he should probably make some sort of public statement. 172 00:10:06,792 --> 00:10:10,583 And Charles is very close with him. 173 00:10:10,667 --> 00:10:13,542 (Princess Elizabeth speaking) 174 00:10:19,041 --> 00:10:22,208 -Fantastic. All right. So, I just-- -(indistinct) 175 00:10:22,291 --> 00:10:24,750 Yeah, I'm landed in-- I'm in Buffalo, 176 00:10:24,834 --> 00:10:26,917 driving right now to Frank Parlato's house 177 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,458 to put together the evidence. 178 00:10:28,542 --> 00:10:31,083 -(Princess Elizabeth speaking) -For my meeting on Monday. 179 00:10:31,667 --> 00:10:33,250 (Princess Elizabeth speaking) 180 00:10:33,333 --> 00:10:35,333 Oxenberg: Tonight we're staying at Frank's house. 181 00:10:36,333 --> 00:10:38,750 (Princess Elizabeth speaking) 182 00:10:38,834 --> 00:10:41,417 No, I've never met him in person. (laughs) 183 00:10:42,208 --> 00:10:44,125 (Princess Elizabeth speaking) 184 00:10:44,208 --> 00:10:46,250 (laughing) I think so. 185 00:10:46,333 --> 00:10:48,166 (both laughing) 186 00:10:48,250 --> 00:10:50,125 Oxenberg: What do you think of The Frank Report? 187 00:10:50,208 --> 00:10:53,417 (Princess Elizabeth speaking) 188 00:10:58,041 --> 00:11:00,083 -Oxenberg: All right, love you, Mom. -(Princess Elizabeth speaking) 189 00:11:00,166 --> 00:11:02,125 -Bye. (kisses) I shall. -(Princess Elizabeth speaking) 190 00:11:02,208 --> 00:11:04,041 Kiss, kiss. Bye. 191 00:11:07,875 --> 00:11:09,417 Oxenberg: Prince Charles. 192 00:11:09,917 --> 00:11:11,750 He's Mom's second cousin. 193 00:11:18,542 --> 00:11:19,917 Oxenberg: That's it? 194 00:11:21,333 --> 00:11:23,083 -It's the one that looks like the Addams Family? -Producer: Yeah. 195 00:11:32,959 --> 00:11:35,291 Hi. It's so good to meet you. 196 00:11:35,375 --> 00:11:37,166 -This is Jerry. -Oxenberg: Hi. 197 00:11:37,250 --> 00:11:38,959 -Jerry: Hi. Nice to meet you. -Oxenberg: Hi. Lovely to meet you. 198 00:11:39,041 --> 00:11:40,375 -Parlato: That's Brad. -Oxenberg: Who's Brett? 199 00:11:40,458 --> 00:11:42,000 -Parlato: Brad. -Oxenberg: Brad. 200 00:11:42,083 --> 00:11:43,875 I'm Catherine. Nice to meet you. 201 00:11:43,959 --> 00:11:46,875 So, where do you want to work? Are we gonna need a table? 202 00:11:46,959 --> 00:11:48,959 -Are we gonna need-- -Oh, we need the printer. Brad-- 203 00:11:49,041 --> 00:11:51,542 -I got the printer. -(all chattering) 204 00:11:51,625 --> 00:11:53,583 -Oh, I gotta get the paper. -Paper. 205 00:11:53,667 --> 00:11:55,250 Woman: I'll do the-- Paper's in the front seat. 206 00:11:55,333 --> 00:11:57,333 -Would you help me? -Woman 2: Yeah, I'll grab it. 207 00:11:57,417 --> 00:11:59,458 (chattering) 208 00:12:00,792 --> 00:12:03,959 Got enough? Got enough film? 209 00:12:04,792 --> 00:12:07,542 Producer: Um, yeah. We can do as much as we-- as much as you want. 210 00:12:07,625 --> 00:12:10,291 Let's do "cut" right now, 'cause I gotta talk something private. 211 00:12:18,417 --> 00:12:20,375 Yeah, but you see, the real chess people, 212 00:12:20,458 --> 00:12:22,542 the greatest chess people, including myself, 213 00:12:22,625 --> 00:12:24,041 we don't need a board. 214 00:12:24,125 --> 00:12:26,375 We keep the whole game in our head. 215 00:12:26,458 --> 00:12:29,500 You plan out 14 steps ahead. I'm seven to go. 216 00:12:30,834 --> 00:12:33,208 Can I try pineapple and carrot juice? 217 00:12:34,834 --> 00:12:37,458 So, Frank has a juicer that he's never used. 218 00:12:37,542 --> 00:12:39,375 But we can christen it. 219 00:12:40,667 --> 00:12:42,792 All right, everybody cross their fingers. 220 00:12:42,875 --> 00:12:45,083 (juicer whirring) 221 00:12:45,166 --> 00:12:47,667 I'm sure there's a better way of doing this. 222 00:12:52,542 --> 00:12:54,166 -(juicer whirring) -Oxenberg: Okay! 223 00:12:56,500 --> 00:12:59,750 Here. You be the official taster. 224 00:12:59,834 --> 00:13:01,542 Who else wants juice? 225 00:13:01,625 --> 00:13:03,250 -Woman: It's very good. -Oxenberg: You like it? 226 00:13:03,333 --> 00:13:05,417 -Yes, very nice. -Well, it's what we had, 227 00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:08,125 and I winged it. That's kind of how I cook. 228 00:13:11,834 --> 00:13:15,041 ♪♪ 229 00:13:22,166 --> 00:13:23,542 Thank you so much. 230 00:13:26,375 --> 00:13:28,291 Aw, Debbie, you're so sweet. 231 00:13:28,375 --> 00:13:30,709 -Thank you for helping. -(Debbie speaking) 232 00:13:39,417 --> 00:13:41,542 ♪♪ 233 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,000 Parlato: So, we're trying to put together a package. 234 00:13:48,083 --> 00:13:51,125 True evidence of criminal activity. 235 00:13:51,208 --> 00:13:53,291 She's going to see the Attorney General's 236 00:13:53,375 --> 00:13:56,125 chief deputy and investigator. 237 00:13:56,208 --> 00:13:58,375 We have a list of crimes, 238 00:13:58,458 --> 00:14:01,291 and we want to know how best to present those crimes, 239 00:14:01,375 --> 00:14:04,500 and how much information to give pertaining to each crime. 240 00:14:04,583 --> 00:14:06,375 Parlato: Read off some of the crimes. 241 00:14:06,458 --> 00:14:09,000 Oxenberg: So human trafficking, extortion, 242 00:14:09,083 --> 00:14:11,542 uh, assault, hazing, scheme to defraud. 243 00:14:13,542 --> 00:14:16,792 Immigration fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, 244 00:14:16,875 --> 00:14:20,000 tax evasion, retaliation against witnesses, 245 00:14:20,083 --> 00:14:22,417 slavery, kidnapping, medical malpractice. 246 00:14:28,917 --> 00:14:31,083 Oxenberg: I can't prove all of these claims. 247 00:14:31,792 --> 00:14:34,083 (Jim Roscetti speaking) 248 00:14:37,959 --> 00:14:39,625 Oxenberg: Mm-hmm. 249 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,041 So, would you go with a leaner package, 250 00:14:45,125 --> 00:14:46,458 or a bigger package? 251 00:14:46,625 --> 00:14:48,125 (Roscetti speaking) 252 00:14:54,417 --> 00:14:56,417 She can tell you, they're starving her daughter, 253 00:14:56,500 --> 00:14:59,125 they're making her sleep deprived, they've branded her. 254 00:14:59,500 --> 00:15:02,333 They're coercing her to have sexual activities, 255 00:15:02,417 --> 00:15:06,208 and to coerce other women to have sex with Raniere. 256 00:15:06,291 --> 00:15:08,875 -It's human trafficking, I think. -Oxenberg: Yeah. 257 00:15:08,959 --> 00:15:11,208 -(Roscetti speaking) -Oxenberg: Yes. 258 00:15:11,291 --> 00:15:13,166 (Roscetti speaking) 259 00:15:14,291 --> 00:15:16,583 Oxenberg: Well, plus, they all gave collateral. 260 00:15:16,667 --> 00:15:19,875 And they were told if they didn't fulfill their assignments, 261 00:15:19,959 --> 00:15:21,417 they would release that. 262 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:23,291 Blackmail. Let's just call it what it is. 263 00:15:24,542 --> 00:15:25,959 Oxenberg: Exactly. 264 00:15:27,208 --> 00:15:28,875 And people have gone to law enforcement with that evidence 265 00:15:28,959 --> 00:15:31,125 and they still have turned them away. 266 00:15:34,792 --> 00:15:37,291 So how do we handle this list of crimes? 267 00:15:38,041 --> 00:15:40,750 I want to make sure that I'm saying this right. 268 00:15:40,834 --> 00:15:43,542 "Clare Bronfman 'loaned,'" in quotation marks, 269 00:15:43,625 --> 00:15:47,542 uh, "at least $65 million to Keith Raniere and NXIVM companies. 270 00:15:48,291 --> 00:15:52,417 NXIVM declares no income and therefore cannot repay said loan." 271 00:15:52,500 --> 00:15:54,166 That's pretty clear? 272 00:15:54,792 --> 00:15:56,000 They're cooking their books. 273 00:16:04,375 --> 00:16:06,458 Oxenberg: Yeah, but they're saying it's consensual. 274 00:16:06,542 --> 00:16:07,917 (Parlato speaking) 275 00:16:24,583 --> 00:16:26,291 Edmondson: Most people probably don't know, 276 00:16:26,375 --> 00:16:28,291 Catherine is India Oxenberg's mom. 277 00:16:28,375 --> 00:16:31,583 And Catherine's literally been spending all her time and energy 278 00:16:31,667 --> 00:16:34,208 compiling evidence and working with Frank. 279 00:16:35,250 --> 00:16:37,125 Oxenberg (over computer): And I believe that Frank probably has 280 00:16:37,208 --> 00:16:39,125 75 percent of the evidence. 281 00:16:39,208 --> 00:16:42,583 What we don't have so far is witness testimonies. 282 00:16:43,291 --> 00:16:45,000 If all of us write letters, 283 00:16:45,083 --> 00:16:47,834 basically saying that there is criminal activity, 284 00:16:47,917 --> 00:16:50,959 that we believe, we know, we participated in, 285 00:16:51,542 --> 00:16:53,250 they may have to look at it. 286 00:16:54,125 --> 00:16:56,500 Ames: What I think everyone would want to know is 287 00:16:56,583 --> 00:16:59,333 what kind of impression we want them to have 288 00:16:59,417 --> 00:17:01,041 when we write this. 289 00:17:01,125 --> 00:17:02,500 Oxenberg: Yeah, it's really important 290 00:17:02,583 --> 00:17:04,834 that you share a tiny bit about your experience, 291 00:17:04,917 --> 00:17:07,834 that you were brought in under certain pretext. 292 00:17:07,917 --> 00:17:10,625 Because ultimately, this is a criminal enterprise 293 00:17:10,709 --> 00:17:14,250 -masquerading as a personal growth program. -Ames: Right. 294 00:17:15,792 --> 00:17:17,500 Edmondson: The idea was to get 100 letters. 295 00:17:17,583 --> 00:17:20,333 We would use the same system that got us in, in terms of enrollment, 296 00:17:20,417 --> 00:17:23,041 to get out, which is to, like, think of a couple people each 297 00:17:23,125 --> 00:17:25,458 that we could duplicate this with. 298 00:17:26,834 --> 00:17:29,500 Ames: And I have an example, if you want me to read it. 299 00:17:32,583 --> 00:17:36,333 "I had three separate women contact me fearing for their safety. 300 00:17:37,583 --> 00:17:39,041 "What were they afraid of? 301 00:17:39,125 --> 00:17:41,417 "The branding of Keith Raniere and Allison Mack's initials 302 00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:43,166 in their pubic area." 303 00:17:44,792 --> 00:17:47,417 "DOS is a monolithic and ruthless group, 304 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:50,709 "masquerading as a group designed to liberate women. 305 00:17:50,792 --> 00:17:54,250 "It relies primarily on coercion instead of open dialogue, 306 00:17:54,333 --> 00:17:57,166 "on intimidation instead of free choice. 307 00:17:57,583 --> 00:18:01,208 At the beck and call of a man accountable to no one named Keith Raniere." 308 00:18:01,291 --> 00:18:03,083 Edmondson: No one's ever done this. 309 00:18:03,166 --> 00:18:04,917 No one has ever done what we're doing now 310 00:18:05,041 --> 00:18:06,333 because they're too afraid to talk to other people. 311 00:18:06,417 --> 00:18:08,792 -"Is this gonna get back to Keith?" -(murmurs of agreement) 312 00:18:08,875 --> 00:18:12,291 That's why he's able to do what he's done for so many years, 313 00:18:12,375 --> 00:18:14,166 and not just in ESP. 314 00:18:14,375 --> 00:18:17,041 We need to expose him. The more people that expose him, 315 00:18:17,125 --> 00:18:19,500 the more people come out of the woodwork and say the same thing. 316 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,166 Ames: All right. Let's start. 317 00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:27,291 Edmondson: Having something from you would be helpful. 318 00:18:27,375 --> 00:18:28,917 It's supposed to be anonymous, anyway. 319 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,083 Ames: It's your story, but if you want to help them 320 00:18:31,166 --> 00:18:32,750 to understand the magnitude of it. 321 00:18:32,834 --> 00:18:34,417 But it frames it in people's heads. 322 00:18:34,500 --> 00:18:36,583 Vicente: The more people that can go on the record, 323 00:18:36,667 --> 00:18:38,875 stating their experience, the better. 324 00:18:38,959 --> 00:18:40,291 Whoever you want to reach out to. 325 00:18:40,375 --> 00:18:42,125 Whoever you think has evidence. 326 00:18:42,208 --> 00:18:45,709 I think everybody has a piece of the puzzle. I really do. 327 00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:49,375 ♪♪ 328 00:18:55,875 --> 00:18:57,458 Vicente: There are so many stories 329 00:18:57,542 --> 00:18:59,750 of the destruction to people's lives. 330 00:19:00,709 --> 00:19:01,792 And as they tell us the stories, 331 00:19:01,875 --> 00:19:04,667 we need to compile all the information together. 332 00:19:05,417 --> 00:19:09,041 And all the evidence to prepare this dossier, 333 00:19:10,083 --> 00:19:12,709 to present them with a case. 334 00:19:13,041 --> 00:19:14,834 We want the world to see. 335 00:19:18,875 --> 00:19:21,500 (woman 1 speaking) 336 00:19:42,458 --> 00:19:45,417 (man speaking) 337 00:19:52,250 --> 00:19:55,041 (woman 2 speaking) 338 00:20:06,250 --> 00:20:08,834 Vicente: I'm seeing how long these things were going on, 339 00:20:08,917 --> 00:20:10,458 and how far back they went. 340 00:20:11,917 --> 00:20:16,291 And one thing I found is clear evidence of financial crimes. 341 00:20:49,083 --> 00:20:51,834 Vicente: Susan Dones was one of the nine that left... 342 00:20:54,166 --> 00:20:55,834 back in 2009. 343 00:20:57,333 --> 00:20:59,166 And then they just went after her. 344 00:21:02,166 --> 00:21:04,667 She was sued on almost 200 charges. 345 00:21:05,375 --> 00:21:07,166 And she defended herself. 346 00:21:07,792 --> 00:21:09,125 And won. 347 00:21:11,166 --> 00:21:12,792 She's an amazing woman. 348 00:21:13,333 --> 00:21:16,000 And she totally understands how it all works. 349 00:23:09,291 --> 00:23:11,291 Parlato: I was never his follower. 350 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,667 I never took a course or anything like that. 351 00:23:18,583 --> 00:23:20,458 I was his publicist. 352 00:23:22,417 --> 00:23:25,375 It is astounding how many people he's intimidated 353 00:23:25,458 --> 00:23:26,959 and frightened. 354 00:23:27,625 --> 00:23:30,333 He will spend five million dollars 355 00:23:30,417 --> 00:23:33,417 against a person, to punish them for no good reason. 356 00:23:35,417 --> 00:23:36,917 He enjoys hurting people. 357 00:23:39,834 --> 00:23:41,500 This is a pattern. 358 00:23:47,792 --> 00:23:49,250 Just think about Toni Natalie. 359 00:23:49,333 --> 00:23:53,500 She was the original pioneer of the defectors. 360 00:23:54,208 --> 00:23:57,458 She was the only one out there fighting, 361 00:23:57,542 --> 00:24:00,709 long before anybody else came out to fight. 362 00:24:02,375 --> 00:24:04,667 And she did it all these years by herself. 363 00:24:08,542 --> 00:24:10,709 She's had 30 years of Raniere. 364 00:24:11,625 --> 00:24:14,000 But, you know, it really wrecked her life. 365 00:24:18,709 --> 00:24:20,834 Toni Natalie: My name is Toni Natalie. 366 00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:24,875 And I was a former girlfriend of Keith Raniere. 367 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,417 Keith and I had a bit of a different relationship. 368 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,750 He wasn't "Vanguard." He was Keith. 369 00:24:34,834 --> 00:24:36,667 He was a businessman when I met him. 370 00:24:38,542 --> 00:24:41,834 (Keith Raniere speaking) 371 00:24:46,750 --> 00:24:48,250 Eddie Albert (on tape): I met a person recently 372 00:24:48,333 --> 00:24:50,291 who has come up with a doozy of an idea. 373 00:24:50,375 --> 00:24:53,500 And I'd like you to meet this impressive young man. 374 00:24:53,583 --> 00:24:56,500 -Keith, happy to see you again. -Yes, happy to see you, too. 375 00:24:56,583 --> 00:24:58,291 It's an amazing idea. 376 00:24:58,375 --> 00:25:01,041 Yes, well, sometimes it even amazes me. 377 00:25:02,709 --> 00:25:05,375 But Consumers' Buyline is wonderful. 378 00:25:05,458 --> 00:25:06,750 And it's working. 379 00:25:08,166 --> 00:25:11,000 Natalie: Consumers' Buyline was a multi-level marketing company, 380 00:25:11,083 --> 00:25:14,166 where people joined this membership, and as a group, 381 00:25:14,250 --> 00:25:18,166 would save hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, on their purchases. 382 00:25:18,250 --> 00:25:20,333 Raniere: We've been able to concentrate 383 00:25:20,417 --> 00:25:22,125 all this purchasing power 384 00:25:22,208 --> 00:25:24,208 to get a better deal from the sellers. 385 00:25:24,291 --> 00:25:27,709 But you have to be represented by professional buyers 386 00:25:27,792 --> 00:25:30,291 who shop around for the best value. 387 00:25:30,375 --> 00:25:32,667 What we are about is getting things 388 00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:34,917 that we could not get by ourselves. 389 00:25:35,417 --> 00:25:37,917 We help each other have more. 390 00:25:39,083 --> 00:25:41,166 It's merely a stepping stone 391 00:25:41,250 --> 00:25:42,834 to change the way we live, 392 00:25:42,917 --> 00:25:45,333 and maximize human potential. 393 00:25:46,959 --> 00:25:49,083 Natalie: The way he presented himself was, 394 00:25:49,166 --> 00:25:52,000 "Hi, I'm Keith Raniere. I have a 240 IQ, 395 00:25:52,083 --> 00:25:53,667 and I want to change the world." 396 00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:57,500 And it became one of the fastest-growing multi-level marketing companies 397 00:25:57,583 --> 00:25:59,041 in the country at the time. 398 00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:01,083 -(applause) -News anchor: The gross receipts 399 00:26:01,166 --> 00:26:02,917 of CBI's first year of operation 400 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,917 were under $200,000. 401 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,250 In 1992, they took a meteoric rise to $35 million. 402 00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:12,875 Natalie: And it was pretty enticing. 403 00:26:12,959 --> 00:26:15,417 I mean, the program was really good. 404 00:26:18,834 --> 00:26:22,542 So, I drove up there to see if it was legitimate. 405 00:26:22,625 --> 00:26:24,625 You know? Let's put eyes on this. 406 00:26:25,834 --> 00:26:27,792 And when I went in, 407 00:26:28,875 --> 00:26:31,750 I don't know how to explain it. It was... energized. 408 00:26:31,834 --> 00:26:34,125 (upbeat music playing) 409 00:26:34,208 --> 00:26:35,333 Consumers' Buyline, may I help you? 410 00:26:38,208 --> 00:26:40,750 Natalie: It was a room full of young people, 411 00:26:40,834 --> 00:26:42,625 working all hours of the day and night, 412 00:26:42,709 --> 00:26:44,709 all excited about what was going on. 413 00:26:46,542 --> 00:26:48,166 And he came out... 414 00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:52,375 And he came up to me in the office, 415 00:26:52,458 --> 00:26:54,000 and he said, "Do you smoke?" 416 00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:56,667 And I said yes. He said, "Would you like to quit?" 417 00:26:57,166 --> 00:26:59,208 And all I can remember thinking was, 418 00:26:59,291 --> 00:27:01,458 this genius that's running this huge company 419 00:27:01,542 --> 00:27:04,125 is gonna stop and take time and spend time with me, 420 00:27:04,208 --> 00:27:05,667 and help me to quit smoking. 421 00:27:08,875 --> 00:27:10,834 We went into his office, 422 00:27:10,917 --> 00:27:13,500 and he asked me what made me comfortable, 423 00:27:13,583 --> 00:27:15,083 and what things made me nervous. 424 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,625 And he was using pressure points on my hands. 425 00:27:20,709 --> 00:27:23,917 And he said, "Any time you feel like you're going to smoke, 426 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,500 "what I want you to do is just press that spot, 427 00:27:26,583 --> 00:27:29,583 and you're not gonna have the urge to smoke anymore." 428 00:27:33,083 --> 00:27:34,750 That's all I remember. 429 00:27:36,333 --> 00:27:39,291 When I walked out, somebody said to me, 430 00:27:39,375 --> 00:27:41,417 "What were you doing in there all that time?" 431 00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:44,208 And I said, "What do you mean? I was in there, like, 15 minutes." 432 00:27:47,375 --> 00:27:50,083 He said, "No, Toni. You were in there about two and a half hours." 433 00:27:58,583 --> 00:28:00,166 I went back to Rochester, 434 00:28:00,250 --> 00:28:02,750 and then, Keith started calling. 435 00:28:05,250 --> 00:28:07,542 Hours and hours and hours of phone calls. 436 00:28:07,625 --> 00:28:09,709 He would share things about his life. 437 00:28:09,792 --> 00:28:11,583 I would share things about my life. 438 00:28:12,375 --> 00:28:14,208 And this went on for months. 439 00:28:15,458 --> 00:28:17,709 So, he knew all of my secrets. 440 00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:22,792 He was listening. He was listening. 441 00:28:26,625 --> 00:28:30,500 When I asked him why someone with a 240 IQ 442 00:28:30,583 --> 00:28:32,583 was doing a multi-level marketing company, 443 00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:34,375 "Why aren't you curing cancer 444 00:28:34,458 --> 00:28:37,000 or doing something that really is gonna be very significant?" 445 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,917 And he said this was going to be the platform he used 446 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,875 to change the world, 447 00:28:42,959 --> 00:28:45,000 and didn't I want to come along? 448 00:28:46,458 --> 00:28:48,083 And I was hooked. 449 00:28:49,583 --> 00:28:54,041 ♪♪ 450 00:28:54,125 --> 00:28:56,959 He convinced me to take a train to Clifton Park. 451 00:28:57,333 --> 00:28:59,333 On that first trip out there, 452 00:28:59,417 --> 00:29:01,500 Keith and I started a, a relationship. 453 00:29:01,583 --> 00:29:03,458 A, a physical relationship. 454 00:29:04,792 --> 00:29:08,709 And they offered me a position within the company. 455 00:29:08,792 --> 00:29:10,834 My son and I moved up there. 456 00:29:11,625 --> 00:29:15,500 I became instantly accepted by this group of people. 457 00:29:17,166 --> 00:29:21,458 Raniere: This is the principle on which Consumers' Buyline has grown: 458 00:29:21,542 --> 00:29:24,041 friends recommending us to friends. 459 00:29:24,125 --> 00:29:27,166 I would love for you to join our family. 460 00:29:28,208 --> 00:29:31,291 Natalie: It was very exciting. It paid extremely well. 461 00:29:32,667 --> 00:29:36,500 But Keith said, "No one can know about our relationship." 462 00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:40,959 "Well, why's that?" "Because you don't have a formal education." 463 00:29:41,542 --> 00:29:43,875 People will think you got the job because of me." 464 00:29:48,125 --> 00:29:51,875 My education is all of two weeks of tenth grade. 465 00:29:51,959 --> 00:29:54,875 And Keith knew that, 'cause I had shared it with him. 466 00:29:55,917 --> 00:29:58,083 So, he took my shame, 467 00:29:58,166 --> 00:30:00,375 and he figured out a way to use it to control me. 468 00:30:03,166 --> 00:30:06,250 And then, I started to feel uncomfortable 469 00:30:06,333 --> 00:30:09,250 with things that were going on with the company. 470 00:30:11,208 --> 00:30:13,625 Commission checks weren't going out on time. 471 00:30:13,709 --> 00:30:15,000 Man: If you go to work, 472 00:30:15,083 --> 00:30:16,917 you want to get paid at the end of the week. 473 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,291 And that's the bottom line with people. 474 00:30:18,375 --> 00:30:19,834 Woman: And people aren't getting paid? 475 00:30:19,917 --> 00:30:21,166 Not that I've heard. 476 00:30:22,542 --> 00:30:23,792 News anchor: On Saturday night, 477 00:30:23,875 --> 00:30:26,000 more than 200 Consumers' Buyline members 478 00:30:26,083 --> 00:30:27,166 packed into this theater, 479 00:30:27,250 --> 00:30:29,750 all looking to meet the man behind the company, 480 00:30:29,834 --> 00:30:31,458 President Keith Raniere. 481 00:30:31,542 --> 00:30:33,625 But Raniere did not show up. 482 00:30:33,709 --> 00:30:37,041 The company was accused of being an illegal pyramid scheme, 483 00:30:37,125 --> 00:30:40,333 that uses unfair sales practices to sign up new members. 484 00:30:40,417 --> 00:30:43,709 So far, the company is facing four state investigations, 485 00:30:43,792 --> 00:30:45,041 and several state lawsuits. 486 00:30:46,083 --> 00:30:47,834 Natalie: Consumers' Buyline was shut down 487 00:30:47,917 --> 00:30:51,125 by 22 Attorney Generals and two federal agencies. 488 00:30:51,208 --> 00:30:55,417 Keith refused to admit he did anything wrong. 489 00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:58,667 He said it was the government that was after him, 490 00:30:58,750 --> 00:31:01,208 and Walmart, 'cause he was competing with Walmart. 491 00:31:02,542 --> 00:31:04,625 And at that point, 492 00:31:04,709 --> 00:31:07,000 I kind of thought that Keith was deteriorating. 493 00:31:07,083 --> 00:31:11,083 And maybe his mind just wasn't as clear as it was before. 494 00:31:14,208 --> 00:31:15,917 Then came Nancy. 495 00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:18,834 And that was the turning point. 496 00:31:20,125 --> 00:31:23,500 At that time, Nancy Salzman was my therapist. 497 00:31:24,125 --> 00:31:28,417 And she was the number two NLP expert in the world. 498 00:31:35,625 --> 00:31:37,750 Salzman: A number of years ago, 499 00:31:37,834 --> 00:31:39,750 I took an NLP course. 500 00:31:40,625 --> 00:31:43,709 I felt that this was at least part of the answer 501 00:31:43,792 --> 00:31:45,709 to all that had been missing. 502 00:31:45,792 --> 00:31:47,208 I became a trainer, 503 00:31:47,291 --> 00:31:50,417 and then proceeded to practice this newfound skill, 504 00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:54,583 teaching and working with literally tens of thousands of people. 505 00:31:55,625 --> 00:31:59,125 Natalie: Neuro-linguistic programming is a type of hypnotherapy. 506 00:31:59,959 --> 00:32:03,000 Nancy Salzman was an NLP master. 507 00:32:03,792 --> 00:32:06,375 Define "lie." 508 00:32:07,333 --> 00:32:09,625 What does it mean, lie? 509 00:32:09,709 --> 00:32:12,333 What is a lie? What does it mean? 510 00:32:15,959 --> 00:32:17,792 Salzman: It was at this point in my life 511 00:32:17,875 --> 00:32:20,333 that I met a gentleman named Keith Raniere. 512 00:32:21,333 --> 00:32:24,291 He could not only voice the questions 513 00:32:24,375 --> 00:32:26,250 that were burning in my mind, 514 00:32:26,333 --> 00:32:28,667 but he had the answers. 515 00:32:29,625 --> 00:32:33,083 Keith developed a model called "rational inquiry." 516 00:32:33,166 --> 00:32:36,875 In just minutes, he could get to core issues. 517 00:32:36,959 --> 00:32:39,083 And he said, "This is something that I could teach you. 518 00:32:39,166 --> 00:32:41,250 "It's reproducible, it's verifiable. 519 00:32:41,333 --> 00:32:44,250 I could teach it to anyone who really wanted to learn." 520 00:32:44,667 --> 00:32:46,375 And I really wanted to learn. 521 00:32:47,583 --> 00:32:50,917 A single man had developed a technology 522 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,041 to transform and empower the world. 523 00:32:56,667 --> 00:33:00,333 Natalie: I have a video of the first class that Nancy did. 524 00:33:01,834 --> 00:33:03,667 And Keith's sitting there. 525 00:33:04,542 --> 00:33:07,500 He watched her take control of that room, 526 00:33:07,583 --> 00:33:10,083 and it was almost like a light went off. 527 00:33:10,750 --> 00:33:12,917 He could get her to control the people 528 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,750 that he wanted to control. 529 00:33:39,125 --> 00:33:40,834 Natalie: They started talking about this business 530 00:33:40,917 --> 00:33:42,834 that they were going to create. 531 00:33:42,917 --> 00:33:46,166 The original intent was to go into big corporations, 532 00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:48,250 and sell them their program. 533 00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:52,959 It was originally Raniere Management Systems. 534 00:33:53,041 --> 00:33:56,709 And the first corporate package that she pitched, 535 00:33:56,792 --> 00:33:58,500 they came back with, 536 00:33:58,583 --> 00:34:01,792 "We love you, Nancy. We think this is great. 537 00:34:01,875 --> 00:34:04,625 But we don't want him to have any involvement." 538 00:34:05,917 --> 00:34:09,834 So when he realized that his past wasn't going to work, 539 00:34:10,625 --> 00:34:12,375 they kind of regrouped. 540 00:34:12,458 --> 00:34:16,959 ♪♪ 541 00:34:18,792 --> 00:34:21,959 And they created Executive Success Program. 542 00:34:25,917 --> 00:34:28,959 And I went to what I believed to be the first intensive. 543 00:34:29,917 --> 00:34:33,667 But, you know, your gut just tells you that something's not right. 544 00:34:36,333 --> 00:34:39,417 I was having sessions with Nancy. 545 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:41,959 I talked to her about my relationship with Keith. 546 00:34:43,125 --> 00:34:44,417 Too many women around, 547 00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:47,625 and too many things that just didn't fit. 548 00:34:49,792 --> 00:34:53,166 And she said to me, "You just don't know who he is, do you?" 549 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,166 And I started to really look at what I was participating in. 550 00:35:00,166 --> 00:35:03,709 And then all of a sudden we were supposed to call him "Vanguard." 551 00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:06,500 -Vanguard! -Just like the arcade! 552 00:35:08,834 --> 00:35:11,792 Natalie: It was a video game that he had in our garage. 553 00:35:11,875 --> 00:35:14,709 (video game firing, beeping) 554 00:35:14,792 --> 00:35:16,291 That was it. 555 00:35:16,375 --> 00:35:17,583 (firing, beeping) 556 00:35:17,667 --> 00:35:19,458 -Raniere: Whoa! Sorry. -(woman laughing) 557 00:35:19,542 --> 00:35:22,250 (indistinct chatter) 558 00:35:22,333 --> 00:35:24,542 Natalie: I thought, all right, I'm going to break up with him 559 00:35:24,625 --> 00:35:26,709 and that's going to be the end of the relationship. 560 00:35:26,792 --> 00:35:28,375 (women laughing) 561 00:35:30,250 --> 00:35:33,041 And that was just kind of the beginning of hell. 562 00:35:35,208 --> 00:35:37,750 ♪♪ 563 00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:46,000 (computer dings) 564 00:35:48,375 --> 00:35:49,709 Uh, guys? 565 00:35:51,542 --> 00:35:52,792 -Frank? -Parlato: Yes? 566 00:35:52,875 --> 00:35:54,542 I just got a text from India. 567 00:35:55,208 --> 00:35:56,542 Parlato: Yeah? 568 00:35:57,709 --> 00:35:58,834 Oxenberg: "For someone so concerned with my well-being, 569 00:35:58,917 --> 00:36:02,583 "I find it odd that you've never visited, that's all. 570 00:36:02,667 --> 00:36:06,291 "If you could pinpoint the danger that you seem to think I'm in, 571 00:36:06,375 --> 00:36:07,792 "that might help you. 572 00:36:07,875 --> 00:36:09,875 "Your claims are really frightening people 573 00:36:09,959 --> 00:36:11,625 "who think I'm also in danger, 574 00:36:11,709 --> 00:36:13,959 "and that's really sad, since if you were here, 575 00:36:14,041 --> 00:36:16,250 you, too, would see that there's nothing happening." 576 00:36:16,917 --> 00:36:18,083 (frustrated sigh) 577 00:36:21,792 --> 00:36:22,709 I feel him... 578 00:36:22,792 --> 00:36:25,083 I feel him in every word. 579 00:36:29,417 --> 00:36:31,583 The truth is, she feels really lost to me. 580 00:36:35,625 --> 00:36:38,083 There's a part of me that just doesn't want to accept it. 581 00:36:38,709 --> 00:36:40,041 Because it doesn't make sense to me 582 00:36:40,125 --> 00:36:42,959 that the child that I've known for 26 years 583 00:36:43,041 --> 00:36:45,417 is not present anymore. 584 00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:51,625 I do feel responsible. 585 00:36:53,083 --> 00:36:55,875 I was always on a spiritual quest, 586 00:36:55,959 --> 00:36:57,875 around gurus and ashrams, 587 00:36:57,959 --> 00:37:00,375 and very often I would bring her, even as an infant, 588 00:37:00,458 --> 00:37:02,291 to those places. 589 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,792 So, I've exposed her to those environments. 590 00:37:07,166 --> 00:37:09,959 And then I feel responsible for introducing her to ESP. 591 00:37:12,291 --> 00:37:14,375 Vicente: There are certain things that we're good at. 592 00:37:14,458 --> 00:37:17,542 And then there are certain things that we don't know how to do, 593 00:37:17,625 --> 00:37:19,500 or certain limitations that we experience. 594 00:37:20,333 --> 00:37:22,458 Do you guys have a sense of what those limitations are? 595 00:37:25,625 --> 00:37:27,166 -Vicente: I used to have that! -Woman: Me too! 596 00:37:27,250 --> 00:37:28,333 Wait, can I write that down? 597 00:37:29,959 --> 00:37:31,500 Oxenberg: I took her to an intro. 598 00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:34,333 And she loved it. 599 00:37:35,208 --> 00:37:37,208 She said, "This is for me." 600 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,208 And she wanted to do it with me. 601 00:37:41,667 --> 00:37:44,250 I figured this is an opportunity to spend five days 602 00:37:44,333 --> 00:37:46,959 doing something introspective with my child. 603 00:37:51,375 --> 00:37:53,417 And I definitely had experiences 604 00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:55,166 that I felt were valuable. 605 00:37:56,333 --> 00:37:58,000 I thought it was a good tool. 606 00:37:59,125 --> 00:38:00,917 I kept doing classes 607 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,834 on and off for a two-year period. 608 00:38:03,834 --> 00:38:06,625 And I overlooked the things that bothered me. 609 00:38:09,959 --> 00:38:12,583 What I didn't know is that the whole system was designed 610 00:38:12,667 --> 00:38:14,458 to break a person down 611 00:38:14,542 --> 00:38:16,417 and lock in a new persona. 612 00:38:24,667 --> 00:38:27,458 I'm looking forward to hearing what you think I can say to India 613 00:38:27,542 --> 00:38:29,458 that will get through to her. 614 00:38:29,542 --> 00:38:33,333 That will want her to turn against Keith. 615 00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:36,291 Well, it's not turning against Keith. 616 00:38:36,375 --> 00:38:38,083 It's turning towards herself. 617 00:38:40,208 --> 00:38:42,875 Oxenberg: But how do you invite somebody to turn towards themselves? 618 00:38:45,041 --> 00:38:47,125 Well, I think you have to explain to her, 619 00:38:47,208 --> 00:38:50,000 in truthful language, what's about to happen. 620 00:38:50,083 --> 00:38:52,417 This is gonna come falling down, 621 00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:55,834 and there's probably only one way 622 00:38:55,917 --> 00:38:58,750 -that she can escape humiliation. -Oxenberg: Mm-hmm. 623 00:38:59,583 --> 00:39:03,333 She takes a positive step 624 00:39:03,417 --> 00:39:06,667 towards rebelling and rejecting 625 00:39:06,750 --> 00:39:09,333 the interference with her mind 626 00:39:09,417 --> 00:39:11,959 that Keith has done to her, 627 00:39:12,041 --> 00:39:13,417 and to others. 628 00:39:14,959 --> 00:39:17,750 She has to do something heroic. 629 00:39:19,083 --> 00:39:20,542 So, let's say we... 630 00:39:20,625 --> 00:39:23,166 -Let's say I wrote that text. -Okay. 631 00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:25,834 What is Keith gonna tell her? 632 00:39:25,917 --> 00:39:28,000 Well, he may tell her... 633 00:39:28,083 --> 00:39:29,834 He may tell her, 634 00:39:29,917 --> 00:39:31,542 "Block your mother. 635 00:39:31,625 --> 00:39:33,417 Block your texts." 636 00:39:36,291 --> 00:39:38,250 Oxenberg: And then what would we do? 637 00:39:40,125 --> 00:39:41,959 (laughs) 638 00:39:44,417 --> 00:39:46,959 ♪♪ 639 00:39:58,792 --> 00:39:59,667 (car door closes) 640 00:40:01,250 --> 00:40:02,875 Oxenberg: She is in the clutches of something 641 00:40:02,959 --> 00:40:04,625 over which I am powerless. 642 00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:10,375 And when I realized that my message to law enforcement 643 00:40:10,458 --> 00:40:13,250 would include me accusing my daughter 644 00:40:13,333 --> 00:40:15,667 of participating in sex trafficking, 645 00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:17,792 it hit me really, really hard. 646 00:40:19,792 --> 00:40:21,458 I know she's a victim. 647 00:40:23,041 --> 00:40:24,834 That's the tragedy of it. 648 00:40:27,166 --> 00:40:29,041 And I need to tell the whole story 649 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,333 to get them to pay attention. 650 00:40:35,834 --> 00:40:38,834 ♪♪ 651 00:40:43,333 --> 00:40:45,667 Natalie: Now I'll show you the war room. 652 00:40:46,709 --> 00:40:48,041 Come on, Ramona. 653 00:40:50,166 --> 00:40:52,166 Come on. (clicking tongue) 654 00:40:53,667 --> 00:40:56,291 When Keith and I finally split up, 655 00:40:56,375 --> 00:40:58,417 the, uh, last thing he said to me was, 656 00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:00,333 "I will see you dead or in jail." 657 00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:04,333 And I thought that was a really horrible thing 658 00:41:04,417 --> 00:41:06,125 to say to someone at the time. 659 00:41:06,208 --> 00:41:07,375 But I had no idea... 660 00:41:08,709 --> 00:41:10,500 what my future held. 661 00:41:13,583 --> 00:41:17,166 Then I started creating a timeline of things that happened 662 00:41:17,250 --> 00:41:18,583 after I left. 663 00:41:20,542 --> 00:41:24,417 So that I could try to get my thoughts clear. 664 00:41:29,166 --> 00:41:30,291 (phone ringing) 665 00:41:30,375 --> 00:41:32,959 It started with phone calls. 666 00:41:33,041 --> 00:41:34,333 (phone ringing) 667 00:41:34,417 --> 00:41:36,000 All hours of the day and nigh. 668 00:41:36,083 --> 00:41:37,083 (phone ringing) 669 00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:41,625 They would contact my credit card companies, 670 00:41:41,709 --> 00:41:43,458 they canceled my medical insurance, 671 00:41:43,542 --> 00:41:45,125 shut off my phone. 672 00:41:45,208 --> 00:41:48,083 They called my son's school and they canceled his school. 673 00:41:50,083 --> 00:41:51,709 It was a nightmare. 674 00:41:52,417 --> 00:41:55,583 And I, I couldn't figure out how it was happening. 675 00:42:00,542 --> 00:42:02,375 My neighbor said to me one da, 676 00:42:02,875 --> 00:42:05,250 "That girl with the long hair. 677 00:42:05,917 --> 00:42:08,458 She comes and takes your mail every day, Toni." 678 00:42:11,208 --> 00:42:13,917 That's how I found out what was going on. 679 00:42:16,125 --> 00:42:18,041 I filed complaints. 680 00:42:22,458 --> 00:42:25,291 When you kind of have a feeling like someone's watching you? 681 00:42:26,667 --> 00:42:28,500 He just wanted to let me know 682 00:42:28,583 --> 00:42:31,041 that he could get to me anytime he wanted to 683 00:42:31,125 --> 00:42:32,667 as easily as he wanted to. 684 00:42:34,417 --> 00:42:36,166 These are just all the files. 685 00:42:37,125 --> 00:42:39,250 This is proof of the criminal case, 686 00:42:39,333 --> 00:42:40,709 timelines, 687 00:42:40,792 --> 00:42:42,625 motions that were filed. 688 00:42:43,583 --> 00:42:45,417 I was forced to file bankruptcy. 689 00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:48,917 They lodged three lawsuits against me. 690 00:42:50,166 --> 00:42:51,542 While that was going on, 691 00:42:51,625 --> 00:42:53,959 he had me investigated by the FBI. 692 00:42:56,792 --> 00:42:58,917 Files and files and files. 693 00:43:00,333 --> 00:43:02,375 And every time you pull it all out, 694 00:43:02,458 --> 00:43:03,834 it changes. 695 00:43:03,917 --> 00:43:06,375 You know, what looked like one thing before 696 00:43:06,458 --> 00:43:08,083 looks completely different now because you, 697 00:43:08,166 --> 00:43:09,709 you've learned more. 698 00:43:16,041 --> 00:43:18,000 I, I don't know. 699 00:43:20,667 --> 00:43:21,959 (sighs) 700 00:43:27,333 --> 00:43:28,875 This is Pam's. 701 00:43:31,333 --> 00:43:33,625 (distant cheering, applause) 702 00:43:36,291 --> 00:43:39,291 You'll see she's weighing herself. 703 00:43:40,458 --> 00:43:42,208 Every morsel of food. 704 00:43:42,291 --> 00:43:44,417 One handful of cereal. 705 00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:46,166 One bite of something. 706 00:43:49,875 --> 00:43:51,667 How many miles she ran. 707 00:43:55,166 --> 00:43:58,166 Pam's top 10 experiences. 708 00:43:59,750 --> 00:44:01,834 Winning the 5th Avenue mile. 709 00:44:01,917 --> 00:44:03,917 Meeting Keith. 710 00:44:05,542 --> 00:44:07,041 She met him skiing. 711 00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:14,583 You know, she was the one he first manipulated. 712 00:44:16,542 --> 00:44:19,834 ♪♪ 713 00:44:21,208 --> 00:44:22,709 Meeting Toni. 714 00:44:26,041 --> 00:44:27,667 I came in '91. 715 00:44:29,709 --> 00:44:31,750 The first time I went to Clifton Park, 716 00:44:33,917 --> 00:44:36,667 I remember Pam was running around the office 717 00:44:36,750 --> 00:44:39,542 saying, "She's here. Is she family?" 718 00:44:41,625 --> 00:44:43,917 And he said, "Yeah, she is." 719 00:44:46,125 --> 00:44:48,709 She had to commit her life to him. 720 00:44:49,875 --> 00:44:52,291 And part of that was that she had to help 721 00:44:52,375 --> 00:44:54,750 bring some women into the family. 722 00:44:56,375 --> 00:44:58,291 And she embraced me 723 00:44:58,375 --> 00:45:01,166 with more love and friendship 724 00:45:01,250 --> 00:45:02,500 and devotion 725 00:45:02,583 --> 00:45:04,875 than anyone had ever in my life. 726 00:45:08,750 --> 00:45:11,166 After I left, 727 00:45:11,250 --> 00:45:13,083 I still waited for her to call. 728 00:45:14,792 --> 00:45:17,417 ♪♪ 729 00:45:21,333 --> 00:45:23,417 -So... -(folders shut) 730 00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:25,041 That's enough of that. 731 00:45:25,125 --> 00:45:26,333 (clattering) 732 00:45:28,458 --> 00:45:29,458 Okay. 733 00:46:19,959 --> 00:46:21,834 (NXIVM member laughs) 734 00:46:47,667 --> 00:46:49,792 Vicente: If you just look at the specific crimes, 735 00:46:49,875 --> 00:46:52,709 you'll find that Keith Raniere's name is not on anything. 736 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,166 But, if you look at the entire system 737 00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:58,625 and how the indoctrination works over a period of decades, 738 00:46:58,709 --> 00:47:01,792 you understand coercion, and you understand that he is, in fact, 739 00:47:01,875 --> 00:47:03,417 leading and guiding and controlling 740 00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:05,667 every single action in the corporation. 741 00:47:07,875 --> 00:47:09,959 He hasn't got his name on a company, 742 00:47:10,041 --> 00:47:13,083 or didn't explicitly order somebody to do something, 743 00:47:13,166 --> 00:47:15,208 but his hand is in everything. 744 00:47:50,917 --> 00:47:54,417 (Susan Dones speaking) 745 00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:29,333 (inaudible) 746 00:48:29,959 --> 00:48:32,792 (Dones speaking) 747 00:49:11,709 --> 00:49:13,709 Vicente: When Susan Dones left... 748 00:49:14,375 --> 00:49:15,709 what we were told and what I believed 749 00:49:15,792 --> 00:49:17,250 was that she had maybe stolen materials, 750 00:49:17,333 --> 00:49:18,959 or misused the tech. 751 00:49:19,041 --> 00:49:21,291 (crowd applauding) 752 00:49:22,542 --> 00:49:24,750 Raniere is saying to make it right, 753 00:49:24,834 --> 00:49:27,125 you know, you have to make people accountable. 754 00:49:27,208 --> 00:49:28,625 If everybody steals in the world, 755 00:49:28,709 --> 00:49:30,250 what kind of world are we gonna have? So... 756 00:49:31,166 --> 00:49:33,000 they were trying to make it right. 757 00:49:33,834 --> 00:49:35,542 That's the story that I heard. 758 00:49:37,709 --> 00:49:40,583 When I finally speak to Susan Dones once I'm out, 759 00:49:40,667 --> 00:49:42,667 she tells me how they went after her. 760 00:49:44,917 --> 00:49:46,667 Why do you need 200 charges 761 00:49:46,750 --> 00:49:49,375 if it's the principle that needs to be challenged? 762 00:49:52,166 --> 00:49:54,375 This has nothing to do with principle. 763 00:49:55,667 --> 00:49:57,417 It's to torture the person. 764 00:50:00,667 --> 00:50:04,250 And I was part of the opposition against her. 765 00:50:04,709 --> 00:50:06,375 The reign of terror. 766 00:50:07,792 --> 00:50:09,750 ♪♪ 767 00:50:12,458 --> 00:50:14,625 I was the enforcer... 768 00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:18,917 trying to, like, capture everybody back into the system. 769 00:50:20,625 --> 00:50:22,125 And what happens is, 770 00:50:22,208 --> 00:50:24,208 people are afraid to ask questions. 771 00:50:25,208 --> 00:50:27,375 You're afraid you'll be seen as dishonorable. 772 00:50:28,417 --> 00:50:30,125 And I was afraid to ask questions. 773 00:50:33,792 --> 00:50:36,583 I sided with the wrong side of history 774 00:50:37,375 --> 00:50:39,375 against people that were just trying to get away. 775 00:50:41,917 --> 00:50:43,750 I honestly don't know how to resolve that. 776 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,333 Susan Dones: Hey. 777 00:50:47,417 --> 00:50:48,625 Hello. 778 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,417 (laughing) 779 00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:52,417 Mm... 780 00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:54,166 Both: Aah! 781 00:50:54,250 --> 00:50:55,959 Dones: Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark. 782 00:51:00,500 --> 00:51:02,417 Vicente: I never got your side of the story. 783 00:51:02,959 --> 00:51:05,000 Dones: I just held out hope 784 00:51:05,083 --> 00:51:06,959 that you would wake up one day. 785 00:51:07,667 --> 00:51:08,667 And, um, 786 00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:10,834 -I-- -Took longer than you thought, maybe. 787 00:51:10,917 --> 00:51:12,709 It just took what it took. 788 00:51:12,792 --> 00:51:14,125 Mm. 789 00:51:16,792 --> 00:51:19,417 I am so sorry how fucked up all this was. 790 00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:22,208 'Cause we had a, a good thing, and we, like, 791 00:51:22,291 --> 00:51:23,375 -got each other? -Right. 792 00:51:23,458 --> 00:51:25,083 And then as I think you started 793 00:51:25,166 --> 00:51:26,542 pushing against things, 794 00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:27,750 they started saying stuff about you. 795 00:51:27,834 --> 00:51:29,792 -Right. -And it eventually started affecting me. 796 00:51:32,959 --> 00:51:36,166 And I just have, like, just fuckin' regret. 797 00:51:37,667 --> 00:51:40,208 I think in time you're gonna find 798 00:51:40,291 --> 00:51:43,542 that the stuff that you have done since you left 799 00:51:43,625 --> 00:51:45,458 is part of your healing. 800 00:51:46,875 --> 00:51:49,417 Being able to stand up and, and fight for myself 801 00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:50,917 and expose certain things 802 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,500 -that were the truth... -Mm-hmm. 803 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,792 it was very healing for me. 804 00:51:55,625 --> 00:51:57,583 You know, the guilt and the remorse, 805 00:51:57,667 --> 00:52:00,041 and for me, the betrayal, 806 00:52:00,125 --> 00:52:02,750 that all does eventually resolve. 807 00:52:02,834 --> 00:52:04,250 -Mm-hmm. -But it's, it's a tough journey. 808 00:52:04,333 --> 00:52:06,125 -Mm-hmm. -And there's, like, no way around it. 809 00:52:06,208 --> 00:52:08,500 -Mm-mm. -You, you have to go through it. 810 00:52:10,917 --> 00:52:13,834 ♪♪ 811 00:52:21,709 --> 00:52:23,834 (gentle ringtone on phone) 812 00:52:25,709 --> 00:52:27,083 Natalie: Hi. What's going on? 813 00:52:28,041 --> 00:52:30,500 (Vicente speaking) 814 00:52:39,542 --> 00:52:40,709 Mm-hmm. 815 00:52:46,834 --> 00:52:49,709 Natalie: Yes. There's, um... there's quite a bit. 816 00:52:50,041 --> 00:52:51,625 (Vicente speaking) 817 00:53:06,083 --> 00:53:07,834 Natalie: I feel good this time. 818 00:53:07,917 --> 00:53:09,625 I feel like this is it. 819 00:53:13,417 --> 00:53:16,583 ♪♪ 820 00:53:18,375 --> 00:53:19,291 (car door closes) 821 00:53:35,333 --> 00:53:36,792 Natalie: Have you seen this? 822 00:53:37,959 --> 00:53:39,875 Oxenberg: What was this? This was for you? 823 00:53:39,959 --> 00:53:41,792 Natalie: Yeah, that was my death timeline. 824 00:53:44,959 --> 00:53:45,792 Oxenberg: Oh, my God. 825 00:53:47,291 --> 00:53:48,375 Natalie: This is one of the letters 826 00:53:48,458 --> 00:53:50,291 that Keith sent me when I left. 827 00:53:51,291 --> 00:53:53,125 This was what was gonna happen to me. 828 00:53:54,458 --> 00:53:56,875 Oxenberg: He's showing her a diagram 829 00:53:56,959 --> 00:53:58,875 of her demise, 830 00:53:58,959 --> 00:54:00,542 basically, is what that looks like. 831 00:54:00,625 --> 00:54:02,000 Natalie: Right. 832 00:54:03,291 --> 00:54:04,875 Oxenberg: So, yeah, I say we, 833 00:54:04,959 --> 00:54:06,667 we do add this, and just say, 834 00:54:07,291 --> 00:54:10,959 "Keith's threats after I left him." 835 00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:14,125 -Natalie: He's doing the same things. -Oh, yeah. I know. 836 00:54:14,208 --> 00:54:17,667 -His patterns haven't changed in 30 years. -...changed at all. 837 00:54:21,333 --> 00:54:23,709 ♪♪ 838 00:54:26,625 --> 00:54:28,458 Oxenberg: Do you think we should put the photo of the brand 839 00:54:28,542 --> 00:54:30,083 -right up front? -Parlato: Yeah. 840 00:54:30,166 --> 00:54:31,458 Oxenberg: And you know what I'd like to add 841 00:54:31,542 --> 00:54:33,291 is that it's two inches by two inches. 842 00:54:33,375 --> 00:54:35,208 The dimensions are significan. 843 00:54:40,667 --> 00:54:42,583 Woman: Okay, here it is. 844 00:54:42,667 --> 00:54:44,625 Oxenberg: Good. Very good. 845 00:54:45,291 --> 00:54:48,000 Three binders full of evidence. 846 00:54:49,458 --> 00:54:50,709 Done. 847 00:54:55,333 --> 00:54:57,583 -(Parlato speaking) -You want to carry them out? 848 00:54:57,667 --> 00:54:59,709 -Yeah, I would like to. -Thank you, Frank. 849 00:55:00,875 --> 00:55:03,333 (indistinct chatter, laughter) 850 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,083 Okay. 851 00:55:13,083 --> 00:55:14,917 Frank, thank you. 852 00:55:15,250 --> 00:55:16,291 All right. I'll see you. 853 00:55:16,375 --> 00:55:17,583 I will talk to you shortly. 854 00:55:17,667 --> 00:55:19,250 We'll be in touch. 855 00:55:20,917 --> 00:55:22,917 (rain pattering) 856 00:55:27,875 --> 00:55:30,542 ♪♪ 857 00:55:39,125 --> 00:55:41,583 Oxenberg: This building is insane. 858 00:55:43,291 --> 00:55:45,792 It's impenetrable. 859 00:55:47,917 --> 00:55:49,750 ♪♪ 860 00:55:50,959 --> 00:55:52,500 I never assumed 861 00:55:52,583 --> 00:55:56,750 that I would be responsible for so much of this. 862 00:56:00,250 --> 00:56:02,000 I have started a ball rolling, 863 00:56:02,083 --> 00:56:04,917 which I have no control over the momentum anymore. 864 00:56:09,709 --> 00:56:12,709 And what I'm delivering to the government 865 00:56:12,792 --> 00:56:14,417 incriminates India. 866 00:56:15,959 --> 00:56:18,667 I'm handing her to them on a platter 867 00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:20,667 as a criminal. 868 00:56:23,583 --> 00:56:26,041 But I would almost rather she be in jail, 869 00:56:26,125 --> 00:56:28,458 if that's what it will take to get her out. 870 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,458 ("Change is Everything" by Son Lux playing) 871 00:56:40,083 --> 00:56:44,000 ♪ This moment changes everything ♪ 872 00:56:44,083 --> 00:56:47,625 ♪ This moment changes everything ♪ 873 00:56:49,333 --> 00:56:53,959 (vocalizing) 874 00:57:05,291 --> 00:57:10,000 ♪ This moment changes everything ♪ 875 00:57:13,125 --> 00:57:17,500 ♪ The course of blood within your veins ♪ 876 00:57:18,625 --> 00:57:20,417 ♪ Oh ♪ 877 00:57:20,500 --> 00:57:25,834 ♪ A stranger's form, your skeleton ♪ 878 00:57:27,333 --> 00:57:28,625 ♪ Ooh ♪ 879 00:57:28,709 --> 00:57:33,792 ♪ See the bones glow as they break free ♪ 880 00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:40,458 ♪ This moment changes everything ♪ 881 00:57:40,542 --> 00:57:44,333 ♪ This moment changes everything ♪ 882 00:57:53,208 --> 00:57:54,458 WOMAN: Everything was to help you grow. 883 00:57:54,542 --> 00:57:57,458 But as soon as you recognized the person masterminding it, 884 00:57:57,542 --> 00:57:59,959 and is manipulating women for his own pleasure, 885 00:58:00,041 --> 00:58:01,166 everything changes. 886 00:58:03,375 --> 00:58:06,542 DOS is an effect of years of indoctrination. 887 00:58:06,834 --> 00:58:10,083 We were led to believe that Keith was a scientist 888 00:58:10,333 --> 00:58:11,458 we would like to study. 889 00:58:11,542 --> 00:58:12,458 We're experimenting. 890 00:58:12,875 --> 00:58:16,125 The idea we were being sold was men and women 891 00:58:16,208 --> 00:58:18,125 need to walk in each other's shoes 892 00:58:18,208 --> 00:58:20,709 to truly respect and love each other. 893 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,875 CATHERINE OXENBERG: They're assigning an FBI taskforce. 894 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,625 They want to speak to DOS, 895 00:58:25,709 --> 00:58:28,250 and they want to speak to witnesses immediately.