1 00:00:07,549 --> 00:00:11,219 Hello, and welcome. I'm Nancy Salzman. 2 00:00:11,302 --> 00:00:13,430 I'm the president of NXIVM Corporation 3 00:00:13,513 --> 00:00:15,724 and Executive Success Programs. 4 00:00:15,807 --> 00:00:18,017 If you get involved in a group, 5 00:00:18,101 --> 00:00:19,936 what's the word people usually use 6 00:00:20,019 --> 00:00:21,396 to invalidate the group? 7 00:00:21,980 --> 00:00:23,231 "Cult," right? 8 00:00:23,314 --> 00:00:25,859 ♪ (EERIE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 9 00:00:25,942 --> 00:00:27,694 People use the term "cult" 10 00:00:27,777 --> 00:00:30,071 because they want to devalue a group, 11 00:00:30,155 --> 00:00:31,823 but they have no way of doing it 12 00:00:31,906 --> 00:00:34,659 except by putting unsubstantiated doubt 13 00:00:34,743 --> 00:00:39,372 in the minds of unsuspecting, non-critically-thinking people. 14 00:00:39,456 --> 00:00:41,624 If this happens to you, ask, 15 00:00:41,708 --> 00:00:43,835 "What are they doing that's bad?" 16 00:00:43,918 --> 00:00:45,545 (RADIO STATIC) 17 00:02:01,621 --> 00:02:05,166 ♪ ("DREAM STATE" BY SON LUX PLAYING) ♪ 18 00:02:05,250 --> 00:02:09,546 ♪ Days we were young We took photographs ♪ 19 00:02:09,629 --> 00:02:12,924 ♪ Of everything we could see ♪ 20 00:02:13,007 --> 00:02:18,721 ♪ We had to run from it Priest and prophetess ♪ 21 00:02:18,805 --> 00:02:23,768 ♪ We were nothing We would defy ♪ 22 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:32,527 ♪ Invisible skin Where is the world within ♪ 23 00:02:32,610 --> 00:02:37,574 ♪ Invincible skin It's how we all begin ♪ 24 00:02:40,451 --> 00:02:43,872 ♪ ("DREAM STATE" CONCLUDES) ♪ 25 00:02:47,458 --> 00:02:52,297 ♪ (SOFT EERIE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 26 00:02:52,380 --> 00:02:56,426 REPORTER 1: A sensational trial is underway in New York. 27 00:02:56,509 --> 00:02:57,510 REPORTER 2: The explosive trial 28 00:02:57,594 --> 00:03:00,138 of NXIVM's sex cult leader Keith Raniere. 29 00:03:00,221 --> 00:03:04,267 REPORTER 3: Brainwashing, sex abuse, and even branding. 30 00:03:04,350 --> 00:03:06,019 REPORTER 4: Raniere faces charges including 31 00:03:06,102 --> 00:03:09,606 sex trafficking and racketeering connected to a secret society. 32 00:03:09,689 --> 00:03:12,609 REPORTER 5: If convicted, he could spend life in prison. 33 00:03:12,692 --> 00:03:14,736 REPORTER 6: His lawyers say that his relationships 34 00:03:14,819 --> 00:03:16,321 were consensual. 35 00:03:16,404 --> 00:03:19,949 REPORTER 7: If you have a leader who is seen as almost mythical 36 00:03:20,033 --> 00:03:22,827 and you're basically being told that you might have to sleep 37 00:03:22,911 --> 00:03:25,747 with this leader of the group, is that really consent? 38 00:03:25,830 --> 00:03:30,043 I don't think that it is, but again, try proving it. 39 00:03:30,126 --> 00:03:31,502 REPORTER 8: This trial is very much 40 00:03:31,586 --> 00:03:34,005 an attempt to try and understand which version 41 00:03:34,088 --> 00:03:36,049 of Keith Raniere is true. 42 00:03:37,884 --> 00:03:44,807 ♪ (MUSIC CRESCENDOS, FADES) ♪ 43 00:03:47,226 --> 00:03:52,732 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -(APPLAUSE) 44 00:03:57,111 --> 00:03:59,447 Thank you. Please be seated. 45 00:03:59,530 --> 00:04:01,824 I am gathering all of you here 46 00:04:01,908 --> 00:04:05,453 because I wanted to talk about some of what's going on. 47 00:04:05,536 --> 00:04:09,290 You're of sufficient position in the organization 48 00:04:09,374 --> 00:04:11,626 where I think you deserve to know. 49 00:04:11,709 --> 00:04:15,338 And this is something that has to stay in this room 50 00:04:15,421 --> 00:04:17,840 and the thing that we can't comment about 51 00:04:17,924 --> 00:04:20,009 is there are criminal investigations 52 00:04:20,093 --> 00:04:24,347 in multiple countries. This is not a small thing. 53 00:04:24,430 --> 00:04:27,725 Supposedly there's an article that is likely gonna come out, 54 00:04:27,809 --> 00:04:30,353 like, the New York Times. It's like a one-sided-- 55 00:04:30,436 --> 00:04:32,480 zero participation from us. 56 00:04:32,563 --> 00:04:34,274 They're just writing all the hearsay. 57 00:04:34,357 --> 00:04:35,650 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 58 00:04:35,733 --> 00:04:37,485 So... 59 00:04:37,568 --> 00:04:41,406 I guess it's hard because I keep on hoping... 60 00:04:41,489 --> 00:04:43,241 You know, you plan for the worst, 61 00:04:43,324 --> 00:04:44,492 you hope for the best. 62 00:04:44,575 --> 00:04:46,828 And I keep on hoping that... 63 00:04:46,911 --> 00:04:48,913 either people I knew who are friends 64 00:04:48,997 --> 00:04:51,082 or who I thought were different or whatever, 65 00:04:51,165 --> 00:04:54,043 will come to their senses and say, "This is ridiculous." 66 00:04:55,294 --> 00:04:57,755 It's my belief if people knew me... 67 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,173 people knew the man... 68 00:05:01,467 --> 00:05:04,470 there would be, I hope, no doubt 69 00:05:04,554 --> 00:05:07,557 there's nothing nefarious, there's no abuse of power. 70 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,268 I'm a person that walks around all day worrying about, 71 00:05:10,351 --> 00:05:13,229 am I abusing power by saying this, by saying that? 72 00:05:13,312 --> 00:05:14,647 That is my life. 73 00:05:14,731 --> 00:05:17,567 I walk around. At night, I cry for hours. 74 00:05:19,193 --> 00:05:22,447 We're on the ground. We are being kicked. 75 00:05:22,530 --> 00:05:24,657 There is-- There are aggressive actions 76 00:05:24,741 --> 00:05:29,871 by probably a very few people coordinated against us. 77 00:05:29,954 --> 00:05:33,666 The question is, how would noble people handle it? 78 00:05:33,750 --> 00:05:36,919 How would-- How should we handle it? 79 00:05:37,003 --> 00:05:39,005 Just because of the situation that we're in, 80 00:05:39,088 --> 00:05:40,965 I would ask all of you in this room 81 00:05:41,049 --> 00:05:44,677 to keep the discussion about criminal investigations 82 00:05:44,761 --> 00:05:46,387 within this room. 83 00:05:46,471 --> 00:05:48,389 Um, it's a-- it's a-- 84 00:05:49,182 --> 00:05:50,683 It is demanded of us. 85 00:05:51,350 --> 00:05:52,351 Yes. 86 00:05:53,352 --> 00:05:54,520 That enough? 87 00:06:14,749 --> 00:06:17,085 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 88 00:06:19,962 --> 00:06:24,300 OFFICER 1: (IN SPANISH) 89 00:06:50,409 --> 00:06:53,746 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -(SIRENS WAILING) 90 00:06:53,830 --> 00:06:56,666 OFFICER 1: 91 00:07:07,260 --> 00:07:08,928 OFFICER 1: 92 00:07:14,016 --> 00:07:17,603 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 93 00:07:45,464 --> 00:07:47,341 OFFICER 1: 94 00:07:55,308 --> 00:07:57,977 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -(FOOTSTEPS) 95 00:08:07,653 --> 00:08:08,988 (IN ENGLISH) 96 00:08:24,962 --> 00:08:26,964 REPORTER 1: The suspected head of an alleged cult 97 00:08:27,048 --> 00:08:29,550 now faces charges in the United States. 98 00:08:29,634 --> 00:08:31,761 REPORTER 2: NXIVM posted a statement to their website 99 00:08:31,844 --> 00:08:32,887 moments ago. 100 00:08:32,970 --> 00:08:34,430 REPORTER 3: In part, the statement reads, 101 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:35,848 "In response to the allegations 102 00:08:35,932 --> 00:08:37,975 against our founder, Keith Raniere, 103 00:08:38,059 --> 00:08:39,810 we are currently working with the authorities 104 00:08:39,894 --> 00:08:42,521 to demonstrate his innocence and true character. 105 00:08:42,605 --> 00:08:45,399 We strongly believe the justice system will prevail 106 00:08:45,483 --> 00:08:47,526 in bringing the truth to light." 107 00:08:48,819 --> 00:08:50,363 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) 108 00:08:50,446 --> 00:08:52,490 MARC AGNIFILO: Many of the allegations, 109 00:08:52,573 --> 00:08:53,783 even if true, 110 00:08:53,866 --> 00:08:56,702 if you read the complaint, don't make out federal charges. 111 00:08:56,786 --> 00:08:59,372 And so, we think that Mr. Raniere is-- is innocent. 112 00:08:59,455 --> 00:09:03,167 We don't think there was any non-consensual criminal conduct. 113 00:09:03,251 --> 00:09:04,752 PAUL DEROHANNESIAN: But no one's ever heard 114 00:09:04,835 --> 00:09:05,836 the rest of the story 115 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,129 and the other side of what's happened. 116 00:09:07,213 --> 00:09:09,465 I think this case is gonna give us an opportunity 117 00:09:09,548 --> 00:09:11,884 to explain a lot more than the public has heard. 118 00:09:13,135 --> 00:09:15,012 REPORTER 1: Keith Raniere made his first appearance 119 00:09:15,096 --> 00:09:17,306 -in a New York court today. -REPORTER 2: Keith Raniere 120 00:09:17,390 --> 00:09:18,975 appeared in front of a judge in Brooklyn. 121 00:09:19,058 --> 00:09:21,936 The judge denied Raniere's request for bail. 122 00:09:23,396 --> 00:09:24,939 REPORTER: He's maintaining his innocence. 123 00:09:25,022 --> 00:09:27,900 To hear him say that, I mean, what comes to mind? 124 00:09:27,984 --> 00:09:28,985 He's a sociopath. 125 00:09:29,068 --> 00:09:30,778 Of course he's gonna maintain his innocence. 126 00:09:30,861 --> 00:09:32,446 CATHERINE OXENBERG: He doesn't have a moral compass. 127 00:09:32,530 --> 00:09:34,573 He doesn't know-- He doesn't-- He can't differentiate. 128 00:09:34,657 --> 00:09:37,034 -TONI NATALIE: Not at all. -He'll justify any abuse. 129 00:09:37,118 --> 00:09:39,787 The last time I saw Keith was April 1999, 130 00:09:39,870 --> 00:09:42,873 and he said to me, "I will see you dead or in jail." 131 00:09:42,957 --> 00:09:45,418 So, he got half of it right. 132 00:09:47,295 --> 00:09:49,297 TONI: Goodbye! 133 00:09:49,380 --> 00:09:51,757 BONNIE PIESSE: Oh, my God. It's so good to see you guys. 134 00:09:51,841 --> 00:09:54,510 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 135 00:09:54,593 --> 00:09:56,178 TONI: I heard the chains come off, Mark. 136 00:09:56,262 --> 00:09:58,014 -Oh, you did? You did? -I did, 137 00:09:58,097 --> 00:09:59,307 I heard the chains drop. 138 00:09:59,390 --> 00:10:00,641 MARK: So you guys were looking at him? 139 00:10:00,725 --> 00:10:02,018 We were in the front row, like, eye-- 140 00:10:02,101 --> 00:10:03,686 -BONNIE: Did he look at you? -CATHERINE: Twice. 141 00:10:03,769 --> 00:10:08,482 He is arrogant, and cocky, and believes 142 00:10:08,566 --> 00:10:10,151 -that this is just another-- -BONNIE: Phase. 143 00:10:10,234 --> 00:10:11,694 MARK: Do you know why he doesn't look broken? 144 00:10:11,777 --> 00:10:14,447 There's nothing to break inside. He's got a fucking-- no soul. 145 00:10:14,530 --> 00:10:15,781 -TONI: I agree. -BONNIE: He's delusional. 146 00:10:15,865 --> 00:10:17,575 -Yeah. -CATHERINE: Yeah, I said that to the press. 147 00:10:17,658 --> 00:10:18,951 BONNIE: Very delusional. 148 00:10:19,035 --> 00:10:21,162 MARK: He wants to go to trial because he likes court movies 149 00:10:21,245 --> 00:10:22,621 -a lot. -BONNIE: There's a lot more charges-- 150 00:10:22,705 --> 00:10:27,001 He likes court movies so much, and he has this vision of doing 151 00:10:27,084 --> 00:10:29,670 -an argument in court... -BONNIE: Being like Atticus Finch or something. 152 00:10:29,754 --> 00:10:31,088 ...and being Atticus Finch. 153 00:10:31,172 --> 00:10:33,466 -Sort of this 20 to 40-minute monologue. -(BONNIE CHUCKLES) 154 00:10:33,549 --> 00:10:36,427 He wants desperately to have his moment. 155 00:10:36,510 --> 00:10:37,887 So, he's gonna try and go for trial. 156 00:10:37,970 --> 00:10:39,388 CATHERINE: To do his word salad. 157 00:10:39,472 --> 00:10:41,515 MARK: What an ass. What an ass. 158 00:10:42,516 --> 00:10:44,685 (CELL PHONE RINGING) 159 00:10:45,227 --> 00:10:46,395 MARK: Hey. 160 00:10:50,608 --> 00:10:52,818 MARK: You're worried 'cause you think his lawyers are strong. 161 00:10:55,446 --> 00:10:56,572 Yeah. 162 00:10:58,657 --> 00:10:59,742 MARK: I think we're all accustomed 163 00:10:59,825 --> 00:11:00,951 to getting beaten up for so long, 164 00:11:01,035 --> 00:11:02,953 we're just assuming we're going to lose. 165 00:11:05,915 --> 00:11:07,166 -BONNIE: Yeah. -MARK: Yeah. 166 00:11:14,048 --> 00:11:17,510 DOS is operating on a premise, that for so long, 167 00:11:17,593 --> 00:11:21,639 women have calibrated their value in regard to men. 168 00:11:21,722 --> 00:11:23,432 Let's take men out of the sentence. 169 00:11:23,516 --> 00:11:25,935 Just the notion of getting branded. 170 00:11:26,018 --> 00:11:27,853 Talk to all the football players who have a branding 171 00:11:27,937 --> 00:11:29,105 on their arm, are they all in cults? 172 00:11:29,188 --> 00:11:30,689 You know what the difference is? They're men. 173 00:11:30,773 --> 00:11:32,233 Oh, are you trying to make this about-- 174 00:11:32,316 --> 00:11:34,735 A hundred percent I am. Am I trying to? It is. 175 00:11:34,819 --> 00:11:36,112 -So this is female empowerment. -It is. 176 00:11:36,195 --> 00:11:37,738 -A hundred percent. -Challenging. 177 00:11:37,822 --> 00:11:39,031 It's for real, and you know what? 178 00:11:39,115 --> 00:11:40,741 And it's the government and the media are coming down 179 00:11:40,825 --> 00:11:43,244 on the women of DOS. Women have a secret society, 180 00:11:43,327 --> 00:11:45,996 women brand themselves, and they're poor little dears 181 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,331 and they're victims. When men do it, 182 00:11:47,415 --> 00:11:48,916 they're Marines. 183 00:11:48,999 --> 00:11:51,961 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 184 00:11:52,044 --> 00:11:54,380 MARC: We think the government's dead wrong. 185 00:11:54,463 --> 00:11:56,173 We think that their premise is faulty. 186 00:11:56,257 --> 00:11:58,134 And we think when the truth comes out, 187 00:11:58,217 --> 00:11:59,760 Keith is gonna be acquitted. 188 00:12:01,178 --> 00:12:03,764 Everyone should pay very close attention to this trial. 189 00:12:03,848 --> 00:12:06,600 I believe we have information the government doesn't have. 190 00:12:07,810 --> 00:12:09,478 And so everyone's in for a big surprise 191 00:12:09,562 --> 00:12:11,355 when the actual trial takes place. 192 00:12:21,282 --> 00:12:23,576 This is probably the most unique case 193 00:12:23,659 --> 00:12:26,871 I've had in 28 years. 194 00:12:26,954 --> 00:12:30,750 And being a prosecutor and being a defense lawyer both. 195 00:12:30,833 --> 00:12:34,503 You know, and I've had some fascinating cases. 196 00:12:34,587 --> 00:12:36,839 We worked on the Martin Shkreli trial. 197 00:12:36,922 --> 00:12:39,049 REPORTER 1: Pharma Bro, Martin Shkreli, 198 00:12:39,133 --> 00:12:41,510 became infamous for raising the price 199 00:12:41,594 --> 00:12:45,139 of a lifesaving AIDS drug by 5,000 percent. 200 00:12:45,222 --> 00:12:48,184 MARC: Shkreli was set to be the most hated man in America. 201 00:12:48,267 --> 00:12:50,019 MARTIN SHKRELI: We're, I think delighted, 202 00:12:50,102 --> 00:12:51,312 thank you very much, Ben and Marc, 203 00:12:51,395 --> 00:12:52,980 who's a great lawyer. 204 00:12:54,565 --> 00:12:56,817 MARC: I had Dominique Strauss-Kahn's case, 205 00:12:56,901 --> 00:12:58,611 when he was IMF head. 206 00:12:58,694 --> 00:13:00,654 REPORTER 1: Strauss-Kahn was one of the most influential 207 00:13:00,738 --> 00:13:03,866 decision makers in the world, but a sexual assault accusation 208 00:13:03,949 --> 00:13:05,993 from a New York hotel chambermaid 209 00:13:06,076 --> 00:13:07,828 dashed any presidential hopes. 210 00:13:09,163 --> 00:13:10,206 REPORTER 2: Moments ago, 211 00:13:10,289 --> 00:13:12,625 a Supreme Court Judge for the state of New York 212 00:13:12,708 --> 00:13:15,169 dismissed charges against Dominique Strauss-Kahn. 213 00:13:15,252 --> 00:13:17,046 REPORTER 3: They could not prove attempted rape 214 00:13:17,129 --> 00:13:19,882 and sexual assault beyond a reasonable doubt. 215 00:13:19,965 --> 00:13:21,592 MARC: I fortunately have a pretty good record 216 00:13:21,675 --> 00:13:24,512 with my trials, and that's because I go to trial 217 00:13:24,595 --> 00:13:25,763 when it's time to go to trial. 218 00:13:25,846 --> 00:13:27,181 If your client's guilty 219 00:13:27,264 --> 00:13:30,684 and the government can prove it, cut a deal and call it a day. 220 00:13:30,768 --> 00:13:33,062 I have never had that thought in this case. 221 00:13:33,145 --> 00:13:34,980 This is a trial from the door. 222 00:13:35,064 --> 00:13:36,273 So, the government wants a trial 223 00:13:36,357 --> 00:13:38,859 and they've got themselves a trial. 224 00:13:38,943 --> 00:13:43,697 -♪ (CALM MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(BIRDS CHIRPING) 225 00:13:43,781 --> 00:13:46,075 -(FOOTSTEPS -(TRUCK BEEPING) 226 00:13:54,375 --> 00:13:58,420 MOIRA PENZA: I view Keith Raniere as a crime boss. 227 00:13:58,504 --> 00:14:00,923 The same way I would view anyone 228 00:14:01,006 --> 00:14:04,176 who is the head of an organized crime family. 229 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:05,302 (APPLAUSE) 230 00:14:05,386 --> 00:14:08,931 MOIRA: You have somebody who's held up and revered. 231 00:14:09,014 --> 00:14:11,350 I always feel funny, thank you. 232 00:14:11,433 --> 00:14:14,103 MOIRA: There's this power dynamic 233 00:14:14,186 --> 00:14:17,022 that's built in from day one. 234 00:14:17,106 --> 00:14:20,359 Being in a room where there's a picture 235 00:14:20,442 --> 00:14:24,572 of Keith Raniere and Nancy Salzman. 236 00:14:24,655 --> 00:14:28,325 Everybody is wearing sashes. 237 00:14:28,409 --> 00:14:31,870 It was a way to indoctrinate people. 238 00:14:31,954 --> 00:14:34,248 -GROUP: Thank you, Prefect. -Thank you, Vice Prefect. 239 00:14:34,331 --> 00:14:36,041 -Thank you, Prefect. -GROUP: Thank you, Prefect. 240 00:14:36,125 --> 00:14:37,793 (APPLAUSE) 241 00:14:37,876 --> 00:14:41,505 MOIRA: With all of this power, Keith Raniere was able 242 00:14:41,589 --> 00:14:45,134 to give orders and have other people 243 00:14:45,217 --> 00:14:47,303 commit crimes on his behalf. 244 00:14:48,053 --> 00:14:49,513 This is what 245 00:14:49,597 --> 00:14:51,974 traditional organized crime looks like. 246 00:14:52,057 --> 00:14:54,101 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 247 00:14:54,184 --> 00:14:56,395 MOIRA: The eastern district of New York 248 00:14:56,478 --> 00:14:59,273 has a storied history 249 00:14:59,356 --> 00:15:03,986 of bringing creative novel racketeering prosecutions. 250 00:15:05,863 --> 00:15:10,451 And we also have this long history of mafia cases. 251 00:15:10,534 --> 00:15:12,286 REPORTER: It took prosecutors four trials 252 00:15:12,369 --> 00:15:13,829 and six years to finally win 253 00:15:13,912 --> 00:15:16,040 a guilty verdict against John Gotti. 254 00:15:16,123 --> 00:15:18,542 MOIRA: So, I was really building off 255 00:15:18,626 --> 00:15:21,170 of a lot of institutional knowledge 256 00:15:21,253 --> 00:15:26,133 in terms of how to prosecute a criminal enterprise. 257 00:15:28,636 --> 00:15:33,974 As we made the decisions of which crimes to charge 258 00:15:34,058 --> 00:15:38,020 and who was responsible as a member of the enterprise, 259 00:15:38,103 --> 00:15:42,524 it very quickly became clear who the major players were. 260 00:15:46,987 --> 00:15:50,240 These are all women who did have the opportunity 261 00:15:50,324 --> 00:15:51,909 to see behind the curtain. 262 00:15:53,911 --> 00:15:57,873 And I certainly stand by the decision to prosecute 263 00:15:57,956 --> 00:15:59,208 all of them. 264 00:16:03,629 --> 00:16:05,047 (MARK EXHALES) 265 00:16:05,130 --> 00:16:08,300 We got news that something's happening right now. 266 00:16:08,384 --> 00:16:09,426 (BONNIE GROANS) 267 00:16:09,510 --> 00:16:11,595 MARK: We assume multiple arrests. 268 00:16:13,597 --> 00:16:14,723 BONNIE: Oh, my God! 269 00:16:14,807 --> 00:16:17,893 -Clare, Lauren, Nancy. -I'm calling Ames right now. 270 00:16:17,976 --> 00:16:20,104 Superseding indictment. What does superseding indictment mean? 271 00:16:20,187 --> 00:16:21,480 These are the superseding indictments. 272 00:16:21,563 --> 00:16:22,731 The additional indictments. 273 00:16:22,815 --> 00:16:24,358 -Okay, that means... -AMES: (ON PHONE) Oh, my God. 274 00:16:24,441 --> 00:16:27,111 ...that online somewhere is the entire FBI report. 275 00:16:27,194 --> 00:16:29,238 Here. Do you have it? 276 00:16:29,321 --> 00:16:33,534 SARAH: (ON PHONE) Twenty-three pages, it's crazy. 277 00:16:33,617 --> 00:16:35,953 "United States of America against Keith Raniere, 278 00:16:36,036 --> 00:16:39,039 also known as Vanguard, Clare Bronfman, Allison Mack, 279 00:16:39,123 --> 00:16:41,333 Lauren Salzman, and Nancy Salzman." 280 00:16:46,004 --> 00:16:48,716 BONNIE: Organized crime, like the fucking mafia. 281 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:50,509 MARK: Ten counts of racketeering. 282 00:16:52,052 --> 00:16:53,512 Identity theft. 283 00:16:53,595 --> 00:16:55,848 Harboring of aliens for financial gain. 284 00:16:55,931 --> 00:16:58,976 Extortion, forced labor, sex trafficking. 285 00:16:59,059 --> 00:17:02,438 Money laundering, wire fraud and obstruction of justice. 286 00:17:02,521 --> 00:17:07,151 It's absolutely huge, it's way bigger than the stuff 287 00:17:07,234 --> 00:17:08,944 we were basically going to them about. 288 00:17:10,654 --> 00:17:12,030 This is the moment. 289 00:17:12,865 --> 00:17:13,949 Everything in the training 290 00:17:14,032 --> 00:17:16,034 that we've been having the last few years, 291 00:17:16,118 --> 00:17:19,079 tells you now's the time you show up for him. 292 00:17:19,163 --> 00:17:21,123 Now is the time you go to court. 293 00:17:21,206 --> 00:17:26,211 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 294 00:17:26,295 --> 00:17:28,338 REPORTER 1: Arrested today, Nancy Salzman, 295 00:17:28,422 --> 00:17:30,466 the co-founder and president of NXIVM, 296 00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:33,302 as well as her daughter Lauren Salzman. 297 00:17:33,385 --> 00:17:35,554 SARAH: Lauren on five-million-dollar bail. 298 00:17:35,637 --> 00:17:36,847 Holy shit. 299 00:17:38,057 --> 00:17:40,809 What must be going through her mind right now. 300 00:17:40,893 --> 00:17:42,394 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) 301 00:17:45,189 --> 00:17:47,941 REPORTER 1: Also indicted today, Clare Bronfman. 302 00:17:48,025 --> 00:17:50,194 REPORTER 2: She's the heiress of the Seagram's liquor company 303 00:17:50,277 --> 00:17:54,031 with assets estimated to be around 200 million dollars, 304 00:17:54,114 --> 00:17:55,657 and for many years, Clare Bronfman 305 00:17:55,741 --> 00:17:57,076 had been financing NXIVM 306 00:17:57,159 --> 00:17:59,787 and supporting its co-founder Keith Raniere. 307 00:18:07,294 --> 00:18:08,962 REPORTER 3: Well, actress Allison Mack 308 00:18:09,046 --> 00:18:10,506 is set to have a bail hearing 309 00:18:10,589 --> 00:18:12,925 regarding her involvement with Keith Raniere. 310 00:18:34,404 --> 00:18:37,115 -(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 311 00:18:37,199 --> 00:18:39,409 REPORTER 1: Now, the actress was released today, 312 00:18:39,493 --> 00:18:41,328 on a five-million-dollar bond agreement 313 00:18:41,411 --> 00:18:43,288 that was co-signed by her parents. 314 00:18:43,372 --> 00:18:45,666 REPORTER 2: Anything to say about the charges against you? 315 00:18:47,042 --> 00:18:48,460 LAWYER: Just back off, all right. 316 00:18:48,544 --> 00:18:52,381 KEITH: So, you are gonna go out onstage and you're scared 317 00:18:52,464 --> 00:18:54,341 -you're going to be rejected. -ALLISON: Yeah. 318 00:18:54,424 --> 00:18:56,093 What's the worst that's gonna happen? 319 00:18:56,176 --> 00:18:58,554 -Really the worst. -I think in that moment, like, 320 00:18:58,637 --> 00:19:00,389 I was thinking about that as we were talking, 321 00:19:00,472 --> 00:19:02,641 it feels like I will be unloved forever. 322 00:19:02,724 --> 00:19:05,269 REPORTER 4: Were you involved in a sex cult? 323 00:19:05,352 --> 00:19:07,145 KEITH: Wait, wait, it's going a little further now. 324 00:19:07,229 --> 00:19:08,647 I hear some boos coming from the audience... 325 00:19:08,730 --> 00:19:10,524 -Yeah. I got it. -...and some guffaws 326 00:19:10,607 --> 00:19:12,401 and they have people following you. 327 00:19:12,484 --> 00:19:15,279 And they point to her like, "bad Allison," right? 328 00:19:15,362 --> 00:19:20,742 -(OBJECTS CLATTERING) -(ONLOOKER CACKLING) 329 00:19:20,826 --> 00:19:24,538 It just feels so, it's like such rejection, like so... 330 00:19:24,621 --> 00:19:26,665 -like you've-- -What do you mean-- You're not-- 331 00:19:26,748 --> 00:19:28,917 -Like they know-- -They're not rejecting you. 332 00:19:29,001 --> 00:19:31,837 -ALLISON: Right, that's-- -They're rejecting your performance. 333 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,465 You are confusing you, with what you do. 334 00:19:36,466 --> 00:19:39,094 If that's removed, you come in touch 335 00:19:39,177 --> 00:19:40,846 with a part of you that is... 336 00:19:41,555 --> 00:19:43,682 invincible. Authentic. 337 00:19:44,892 --> 00:19:47,769 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK) 338 00:19:47,853 --> 00:19:51,106 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 339 00:19:55,903 --> 00:19:57,195 NICKI CLYNE: We were moving 340 00:19:57,279 --> 00:19:59,698 when they came to arrest Allison. 341 00:20:06,163 --> 00:20:08,248 This guy came up to me and shows me his badge 342 00:20:08,332 --> 00:20:10,918 and he's like, "Is Allison Mack in there?" 343 00:20:11,001 --> 00:20:14,087 And when she saw, I was like, "Allison, 344 00:20:14,171 --> 00:20:15,714 they're here to arrest you." 345 00:20:17,883 --> 00:20:20,052 And she just starts shaking. 346 00:20:20,135 --> 00:20:21,386 And I was like, "What do you need?" 347 00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:23,889 And they said she needed shoes without laces, 348 00:20:23,972 --> 00:20:26,391 she needed to take off her jewelry. 349 00:20:26,475 --> 00:20:28,268 I thought I was gonna see her later that day. 350 00:20:28,352 --> 00:20:29,811 I don't even think I gave her a hug, 351 00:20:29,895 --> 00:20:32,648 I was just like, "I'll see you in a little bit." 352 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:36,944 And that was it. 353 00:20:37,027 --> 00:20:40,113 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 354 00:20:40,197 --> 00:20:44,076 NICKI: It's been a very isolating experience 355 00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:47,829 without Allison and also without Keith. 356 00:20:51,541 --> 00:20:54,419 NICKI: Hi, I'm Nicki. About five years ago, 357 00:20:54,503 --> 00:20:56,838 my friend came back from taking this course. 358 00:20:56,922 --> 00:20:59,174 We had talked about, you know, personal growth 359 00:20:59,257 --> 00:21:00,384 and things before, but she came back 360 00:21:00,467 --> 00:21:03,261 and this time she seemed different and I just said, 361 00:21:03,345 --> 00:21:06,264 "I want what she's having," I signed up right away. 362 00:21:06,348 --> 00:21:11,019 People do all kind of things to get to know themselves better. 363 00:21:11,103 --> 00:21:14,690 They go backpacking in Europe, go to ashrams in India. 364 00:21:15,482 --> 00:21:17,192 I happened to go to Albany. 365 00:21:17,275 --> 00:21:18,986 ...I trusted her and it's the best decision 366 00:21:19,069 --> 00:21:20,570 -I ever made. -KEITH: Cool. 367 00:21:21,488 --> 00:21:22,489 Or what? 368 00:21:22,572 --> 00:21:24,825 Throw him out the airlock like a piece of garbage? 369 00:21:24,908 --> 00:21:28,745 NICKI: Even though I was having success on TV, 370 00:21:28,829 --> 00:21:32,290 I felt like I wasn't getting traction. 371 00:21:32,374 --> 00:21:34,543 You've got to help him. 372 00:21:37,629 --> 00:21:39,256 NICKI: I didn't feel fulfilled, 373 00:21:39,339 --> 00:21:42,676 like, I didn't feel secure in myself... 374 00:21:42,759 --> 00:21:45,387 -Yes, another. -NICKI: ...until I took ESP. 375 00:21:46,054 --> 00:21:49,516 Nicki from Albany. Hi. 376 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:54,146 The way that I relate with people is a direct effect 377 00:21:54,229 --> 00:21:56,314 of what I built with Keith. 378 00:21:56,398 --> 00:21:58,900 And of course, you don't know how much further you can go, 379 00:21:58,984 --> 00:22:00,736 but you do know you can go further. 380 00:22:01,486 --> 00:22:03,530 Always can. 381 00:22:03,613 --> 00:22:09,202 He helped me learn to trust and learn to love. 382 00:22:09,286 --> 00:22:12,873 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING, CHEERING) 383 00:22:12,956 --> 00:22:15,167 NICKI: It's important to be part of a community 384 00:22:15,250 --> 00:22:18,503 of people who support each other. 385 00:22:18,587 --> 00:22:22,716 (APPLAUDING, CHEERING) 386 00:22:25,761 --> 00:22:29,264 NICKI: I had come to rely on that support. 387 00:22:30,515 --> 00:22:32,309 And I don't have that anymore. 388 00:22:43,528 --> 00:22:47,115 NICKI: I was here right before Keith left for Mexico... 389 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,080 which he was fully intending to come back from. 390 00:22:53,163 --> 00:22:55,207 That's one of the lies that the government told 391 00:22:55,290 --> 00:22:58,543 in order to justify that he was a flight risk. 392 00:23:01,922 --> 00:23:05,050 Oh, this is Keith's jacket, I think. 393 00:23:09,012 --> 00:23:12,057 He always walked around in this big puffy coat. 394 00:23:14,851 --> 00:23:18,605 I was in a physical relationship with Keith for many years. 395 00:23:18,688 --> 00:23:20,565 You know, I kept it secret. 396 00:23:21,858 --> 00:23:23,110 A lot of people in the community 397 00:23:23,193 --> 00:23:26,655 didn't know who Keith's partners were 398 00:23:26,738 --> 00:23:27,989 or if he even had any. 399 00:23:29,366 --> 00:23:33,787 But I felt very clear on what I was signing up for. 400 00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:42,295 I wish there was a way people could see who Keith is... 401 00:23:42,379 --> 00:23:43,463 (SOBS) 402 00:23:43,547 --> 00:23:47,175 ...and how much he has contributed to 403 00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:49,261 making this world a better place 404 00:23:49,344 --> 00:23:51,471 through everyone he's interacted with. 405 00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:55,934 I feel proud of my decisions. 406 00:23:56,977 --> 00:23:58,353 And I stand by them. 407 00:24:01,022 --> 00:24:04,276 (SOBS) And I know how hard that must be 408 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:05,902 for people to understand 409 00:24:05,986 --> 00:24:09,114 considering the lens through which 410 00:24:09,197 --> 00:24:12,951 this situation is being portrayed. 411 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,251 SARAH: I feel responsible for Nicki, because 412 00:24:21,334 --> 00:24:23,003 I brought her in. 413 00:24:24,212 --> 00:24:27,716 -SARAH: It was awesome. Awesome possum. -Team Awesome. 414 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:29,885 -KEITH: Your possum team is finished? -Not yet. 415 00:24:29,968 --> 00:24:31,928 Almost. I'm waiting for her right now. 416 00:24:32,012 --> 00:24:33,305 SARAH: I brought lots of people in, 417 00:24:33,388 --> 00:24:35,056 they did a five-day and they moved on with their life, 418 00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:36,183 and they're fine. 419 00:24:38,059 --> 00:24:39,311 Nicki's not fine. 420 00:24:41,438 --> 00:24:43,440 Nicki has a hard road ahead of her. 421 00:24:45,233 --> 00:24:46,860 The first step to be on that road 422 00:24:46,943 --> 00:24:50,280 is recognizing Keith is... not who he says he is. 423 00:24:53,033 --> 00:24:55,368 I don't know if she'll ever accept that. 424 00:24:55,452 --> 00:24:57,829 And I'm not gonna be the one to tell her 425 00:24:57,913 --> 00:24:59,748 she's wrong about that. 426 00:24:59,831 --> 00:25:02,125 She's gotta come to that on her own terms. 427 00:25:03,877 --> 00:25:05,545 So, can't control it. 428 00:25:11,509 --> 00:25:13,595 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 429 00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:17,599 (CAR HONKING) 430 00:25:19,351 --> 00:25:21,436 Hey, copy looks great for NXIVM, 431 00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:22,854 um, but two things. 432 00:25:22,938 --> 00:25:27,275 So, Grandmaster is one word and it should be capitalized. 433 00:25:30,487 --> 00:25:32,781 So I started covering Brooklyn federal court 434 00:25:32,864 --> 00:25:34,574 for the New York Post. 435 00:25:34,658 --> 00:25:36,534 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 436 00:25:36,618 --> 00:25:38,453 EMILY: We're known for our headlines. 437 00:25:39,996 --> 00:25:42,707 My understanding when I first started was that, 438 00:25:42,791 --> 00:25:44,626 what drives a story is it's supposed to have, 439 00:25:44,709 --> 00:25:46,795 like, a "Hey, Martha," kind of quality 440 00:25:46,878 --> 00:25:50,173 which apparently... (CHUCKLES) 441 00:25:50,257 --> 00:25:52,550 ...is this sort of quintessential, 442 00:25:52,634 --> 00:25:53,718 like American couple 443 00:25:53,802 --> 00:25:55,971 who's reading the paper in the morning at the table 444 00:25:56,054 --> 00:25:57,722 and you're supposed to have... 445 00:25:57,806 --> 00:26:00,308 as it was told to me, the husband, like, 446 00:26:00,392 --> 00:26:03,061 put down his paper as his wife is making him breakfast 447 00:26:03,144 --> 00:26:04,813 and go, "Hey, Martha, you won't believe 448 00:26:04,896 --> 00:26:06,314 what I'm, like, reading in the paper." 449 00:26:06,398 --> 00:26:09,025 And this story just has-- is only that. 450 00:26:09,109 --> 00:26:13,238 It's like, every detail of it is "Hey, Martha." 451 00:26:16,825 --> 00:26:18,326 The press loves Allison Mack. 452 00:26:21,496 --> 00:26:22,789 But, I mean, in terms of who 453 00:26:22,872 --> 00:26:24,958 I personally find the most interesting, 454 00:26:25,041 --> 00:26:27,460 it would be Keith Raniere. 455 00:26:27,544 --> 00:26:30,005 Self-proclaimed "smartest man in the world." 456 00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:34,342 But we all have our own tastes. (CHUCKLES) 457 00:26:37,012 --> 00:26:41,099 I have done trials before, I did Chapo. 458 00:26:41,182 --> 00:26:44,602 Bill Cosby's first trail. Bill Crosby's second trail. 459 00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:49,065 It sounds so callous because like, 460 00:26:49,149 --> 00:26:50,984 this is a trial where you have people 461 00:26:51,067 --> 00:26:53,695 who were severely victimized, 462 00:26:53,778 --> 00:26:57,657 but I enjoy the lurid aspect of, like, some of these things. 463 00:26:58,283 --> 00:26:59,409 I've sent my story. 464 00:27:00,285 --> 00:27:01,578 As many people do. 465 00:27:01,661 --> 00:27:03,872 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 466 00:27:07,167 --> 00:27:08,752 MARC: You know, it's two great words, 467 00:27:08,835 --> 00:27:10,337 "sex" and "cult." 468 00:27:10,420 --> 00:27:12,088 You can't beat that for a headline. 469 00:27:13,548 --> 00:27:15,300 REPORTER 1: Keith Raniere, the Superman 470 00:27:15,383 --> 00:27:17,635 in what many believe is a sex cult. 471 00:27:17,719 --> 00:27:19,262 REPORTER 2: New details just revealed 472 00:27:19,346 --> 00:27:20,472 on the secretive sex cult. 473 00:27:22,307 --> 00:27:24,642 MARC: The media captured public imagination, 474 00:27:24,726 --> 00:27:28,772 and unfortunately captured the government's attention. 475 00:27:28,855 --> 00:27:30,440 The problem is, I then have to speak 476 00:27:30,523 --> 00:27:33,943 for a week, you know, to explain why it's not a sex cult 477 00:27:34,027 --> 00:27:36,029 and why these, you know, these are adult women 478 00:27:36,112 --> 00:27:38,365 making the decisions that adult women make, 479 00:27:38,448 --> 00:27:39,824 you know, for their own lives. 480 00:27:39,908 --> 00:27:42,410 And the government knows that, you know, and the government's 481 00:27:42,494 --> 00:27:45,330 leveraging that to try to kinda keep this thing going. 482 00:27:47,665 --> 00:27:50,126 MOIRA: It was very important to show 483 00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:52,754 that sex was a major part of this. 484 00:27:54,089 --> 00:27:55,757 I can't get into Keith Raniere's head 485 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,301 and talk about whether it was really about the sex 486 00:27:58,385 --> 00:28:00,220 or really about the power, whatever it was 487 00:28:00,303 --> 00:28:03,473 it doesn't matter. The fact was sexual abuse 488 00:28:03,556 --> 00:28:07,435 of women was part of this enterprise. 489 00:28:09,354 --> 00:28:11,231 MARC: Keith makes no apologies for the fact 490 00:28:11,314 --> 00:28:15,193 that he has multiple long-term partners. 491 00:28:15,276 --> 00:28:18,363 Now, some of these women he has sex with, 492 00:28:18,446 --> 00:28:20,657 some of these women he doesn't. 493 00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:23,576 And these women know this about him. 494 00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:26,496 To be in love with Keith is to accept Keith 495 00:28:26,579 --> 00:28:27,747 on Keith's terms, 496 00:28:27,831 --> 00:28:31,042 and they can't possibly say the women didn't consent. 497 00:28:32,335 --> 00:28:34,421 Well, I think when you talk about consent, 498 00:28:34,504 --> 00:28:36,673 the idea is informed consent. 499 00:28:36,756 --> 00:28:39,509 (PHONE PINGS) 500 00:28:39,592 --> 00:28:43,805 MOIRA: Within DOS, the women, once they were collateralized, 501 00:28:43,888 --> 00:28:46,349 can never get that stuff back, 502 00:28:46,433 --> 00:28:49,978 so you have to do whatever is being asked of you. 503 00:28:51,187 --> 00:28:53,690 It's very clear that none of the women 504 00:28:53,773 --> 00:28:56,693 were told what they were signing up for. 505 00:28:56,776 --> 00:28:59,946 It's a fascinating case, not because of the allegations, 506 00:29:00,029 --> 00:29:02,449 in my opinion, it's a fascinating case 507 00:29:02,532 --> 00:29:06,077 because it's a case that's criminalizing choices 508 00:29:06,161 --> 00:29:08,705 that adults are making to be happy. 509 00:29:08,788 --> 00:29:10,707 And I think once the federal government 510 00:29:10,790 --> 00:29:13,168 gets in that space, man, that's dangerous. 511 00:29:13,751 --> 00:29:14,669 Back off. 512 00:29:14,752 --> 00:29:16,379 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 513 00:29:16,463 --> 00:29:18,339 MARC: So, the only way to rectify it 514 00:29:18,423 --> 00:29:21,468 is to hear from these DOS women firsthand 515 00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:23,178 and set the record straight. 516 00:29:23,261 --> 00:29:25,680 And say, "Listen, I joined DOS for my own reasons, 517 00:29:25,763 --> 00:29:28,892 they were good reasons, it's a commitment for life." 518 00:29:28,975 --> 00:29:30,351 You know, even the power and might 519 00:29:30,435 --> 00:29:31,811 of the great federal government, 520 00:29:31,895 --> 00:29:34,397 you know, hasn't shaken these women from that belief. 521 00:29:38,193 --> 00:29:41,905 I have the authority to shine a light 522 00:29:41,988 --> 00:29:46,242 on various things about DOS that have been misunderstood... 523 00:29:47,202 --> 00:29:50,872 because I helped create it. 524 00:29:52,832 --> 00:29:56,461 Sex was not the focus of anything. 525 00:29:56,544 --> 00:29:59,214 Like, people are so obsessed with sex. 526 00:29:59,297 --> 00:30:02,634 It was also a walking group. 527 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,263 It was also a go-for-coffee group. 528 00:30:07,347 --> 00:30:10,475 We were people who had relationships 529 00:30:10,558 --> 00:30:14,896 that were incredibly important and meaningful to us 530 00:30:14,979 --> 00:30:18,483 that we planned to have for the rest of our lives. 531 00:30:26,449 --> 00:30:27,450 MICHELE HATCHETTE: People think, 532 00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:29,369 "Anyone who's still around are just 533 00:30:29,452 --> 00:30:32,830 brainwashed bitches of Keith doing his bidding." 534 00:30:33,498 --> 00:30:34,707 How insulting. 535 00:30:34,791 --> 00:30:38,461 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 536 00:30:39,087 --> 00:30:41,589 MICHELE: When I was 24, 537 00:30:41,673 --> 00:30:45,009 I had gone through a pretty intense breakup. 538 00:30:46,302 --> 00:30:49,305 I was suicidal for a while. 539 00:30:51,266 --> 00:30:55,937 And I needed a way of processing a pain 540 00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:59,274 I'd never experienced before. 541 00:30:59,357 --> 00:31:02,569 And I became a seeker because I was like, 542 00:31:02,652 --> 00:31:06,614 "I don't know how to do this." 543 00:31:06,698 --> 00:31:09,659 So, I was like, "Ooh, Bikram Yoga every morning 544 00:31:09,742 --> 00:31:12,036 at six o'clock? Yep, I'll be there." 545 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,998 Church, I was shopping for churches like 546 00:31:15,081 --> 00:31:17,208 shopping for shoes or a boyfriend. 547 00:31:17,292 --> 00:31:19,252 (INDISTINCT) 548 00:31:19,335 --> 00:31:21,963 MICHELE: So, before I came into ESP, 549 00:31:22,046 --> 00:31:24,674 I was already on this path. 550 00:31:25,508 --> 00:31:27,302 I've always been a dreamer. 551 00:31:27,385 --> 00:31:29,304 And the question has always been, 552 00:31:29,387 --> 00:31:30,930 "How do I actualize a dream?" 553 00:31:31,014 --> 00:31:33,766 And then I did this and it was amazing, 554 00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:35,643 it's like, it just opened up. 555 00:31:39,314 --> 00:31:40,815 I wanted to be the best of me, 556 00:31:40,898 --> 00:31:43,693 I wanted to do everything excellent. 557 00:31:44,736 --> 00:31:46,779 So when Allison came to me and said, 558 00:31:46,863 --> 00:31:49,157 "There's something that I've been a part of, 559 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,450 it's just for women, 560 00:31:50,533 --> 00:31:53,620 and I'd love to share more with you about it, 561 00:31:53,703 --> 00:31:55,121 but that's all I can share for now," 562 00:31:55,204 --> 00:31:57,915 I was like, "Okay, if this is just for women 563 00:31:57,999 --> 00:31:59,125 and she's a part of it, 564 00:31:59,208 --> 00:32:01,336 I know there's some dope sisters a part of this too." 565 00:32:03,588 --> 00:32:06,799 DOS was not kid-glove stuff. 566 00:32:08,843 --> 00:32:12,847 This was hardcore life. 567 00:32:14,891 --> 00:32:19,187 DOS for me was where I got to figure out 568 00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:20,730 what I was made of. 569 00:32:22,565 --> 00:32:26,194 We were simulating situations that would call 570 00:32:26,277 --> 00:32:31,908 for more discipline, character, and commitment. 571 00:32:33,076 --> 00:32:36,329 Allison wasn't there to affirm things in me, 572 00:32:36,412 --> 00:32:38,915 like, "Oh, you're so nice, you're so pretty." 573 00:32:38,998 --> 00:32:43,211 She would give me feedback to help me see my blind spots. 574 00:32:43,294 --> 00:32:46,047 I'm, like, at the edge of my greatest fear, 575 00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:48,466 and she's just like, "Keep going." 576 00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:51,803 And I'm like, "You're so mean," and like, "You're an asshole." 577 00:32:51,886 --> 00:32:55,098 It's like, I gave her permission to push me 578 00:32:55,181 --> 00:32:57,225 because I told her I wanted to be the best. 579 00:32:58,476 --> 00:32:59,977 It changed my life. 580 00:33:02,397 --> 00:33:05,525 There are many people who have asked me, 581 00:33:05,608 --> 00:33:07,735 "Why didn't you just walk away?" 582 00:33:08,986 --> 00:33:10,321 I did walk away. 583 00:33:13,449 --> 00:33:15,076 After everything fell apart, 584 00:33:16,202 --> 00:33:17,203 I ended up working 585 00:33:17,286 --> 00:33:19,789 for this incredible restaurant company. 586 00:33:20,957 --> 00:33:23,501 No one knew where I came from, 587 00:33:23,584 --> 00:33:26,379 and I felt like I had a second chance. 588 00:33:28,756 --> 00:33:30,758 But then Frank Parlato puts out an article 589 00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:34,095 in the Frank Report and says that I brought Nicki 590 00:33:34,178 --> 00:33:37,265 to my job under the guise of a restaurateur, 591 00:33:37,348 --> 00:33:39,976 but really why I had her there was to recruit women 592 00:33:40,059 --> 00:33:41,227 into a sex cult. 593 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,021 (SIGHS) Okay. 594 00:33:44,105 --> 00:33:45,440 And then I got a phone call 595 00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:48,401 saying that I was terminated effective immediately. 596 00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:52,196 That's when it got real for me. 597 00:33:52,655 --> 00:33:54,449 How can I run? 598 00:33:54,532 --> 00:33:57,535 This is coming to my doorstep no matter where I am. 599 00:34:00,288 --> 00:34:01,581 My involvement with DOS 600 00:34:01,664 --> 00:34:04,584 is not what has brought hardship to my life. 601 00:34:05,126 --> 00:34:07,253 People saying... 602 00:34:07,336 --> 00:34:10,089 that this was a sex trafficking operation, 603 00:34:10,173 --> 00:34:12,925 is why there's more hardship in my life. 604 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,390 AUTOMATED VOICE: (OVER PHONE) ...an inmate at a federal prison. 605 00:34:19,474 --> 00:34:20,516 AUTOMATED VOICE 2: Raniere. 606 00:34:21,267 --> 00:34:22,310 (OVER PHONE) 607 00:34:22,393 --> 00:34:24,145 MICHELE: I'm good, how are you? 608 00:34:24,228 --> 00:34:25,271 (KEITH CHUCKLES) 609 00:34:26,439 --> 00:34:28,941 (MICHELE LAUGHS) 610 00:34:29,025 --> 00:34:30,443 KEITH: 611 00:34:34,447 --> 00:34:36,616 The experiences that we've been having 612 00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:37,950 and what we've been going through 613 00:34:38,034 --> 00:34:39,869 has made it possible for me to, 614 00:34:39,952 --> 00:34:41,871 you know, test what I really believe in 615 00:34:41,954 --> 00:34:44,582 and see if I'm willing to... 616 00:34:44,665 --> 00:34:47,752 stand, you know, stick up for what I believe in and... 617 00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:50,421 KEITH: 618 00:34:54,342 --> 00:34:55,593 Hmm. 619 00:34:56,803 --> 00:34:59,013 KEITH: 620 00:34:59,096 --> 00:35:00,181 Oh. 621 00:35:00,264 --> 00:35:03,726 Well, it's-- Yeah, I'm glad to hear that and it's-- 622 00:35:03,810 --> 00:35:06,979 Yeah, it's important to me, so... (CHUCKLES) 623 00:35:08,523 --> 00:35:10,191 We're fighting for you. 624 00:35:11,734 --> 00:35:13,152 KEITH: 625 00:35:20,076 --> 00:35:23,120 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 626 00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:25,248 VERO: Those friends of mine, 627 00:35:25,331 --> 00:35:27,834 that are defending him with their lives... 628 00:35:29,168 --> 00:35:32,463 they are harming themselves in a way 629 00:35:32,547 --> 00:35:36,008 that I truly hope they can recover. 630 00:35:37,134 --> 00:35:40,304 They need to see for themselves something. 631 00:35:40,388 --> 00:35:43,140 And I think there is so much out there 632 00:35:43,224 --> 00:35:45,393 that if they don't see it's because they truly 633 00:35:45,476 --> 00:35:47,186 don't want to. 634 00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:48,771 Yes. Oh, hey. Hi, how are you? 635 00:35:48,855 --> 00:35:52,233 My name is Veronica. I am happy to be here 636 00:35:52,316 --> 00:35:54,944 because I believe there's a lot of work to be done. 637 00:35:55,027 --> 00:35:57,196 I have faith and I have a lot of hope 638 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,866 and I'm ready for the hard work. 639 00:35:59,949 --> 00:36:02,034 -Well, good. -Yeah. 640 00:36:02,118 --> 00:36:05,788 When I joined ESP, I was really in a good place. 641 00:36:07,081 --> 00:36:12,795 I've been a professional actress since I was 22 years old. 642 00:36:13,504 --> 00:36:15,506 And I had just come back 643 00:36:15,590 --> 00:36:18,009 from shooting a pretty successful show. 644 00:36:19,552 --> 00:36:22,263 But I'm pretty much a seeker, you know. 645 00:36:22,346 --> 00:36:25,600 KEITH: Let's create a better world. 646 00:36:25,683 --> 00:36:28,603 VERO: When I joined Executive Success Programs, 647 00:36:28,686 --> 00:36:32,231 I thought I had found what I had been looking for. 648 00:36:32,315 --> 00:36:33,900 KEITH: Thank you for your participation, 649 00:36:33,983 --> 00:36:35,735 everything that you've done. 650 00:36:35,818 --> 00:36:40,781 I was there for ten years, when I was invited into DOS. 651 00:36:40,865 --> 00:36:43,910 We were supposed to be like, the closest, the most loyal, 652 00:36:43,993 --> 00:36:47,330 the most committed women, you know, upheld our values. 653 00:36:47,413 --> 00:36:51,834 Understand that all this, seen from a good perspective, 654 00:36:51,918 --> 00:36:55,129 it empowers you, and it was misused. 655 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,715 It was tremendously misused. 656 00:37:00,009 --> 00:37:04,680 It was so hard to see the wolf behind the lamb suit, you know? 657 00:37:05,806 --> 00:37:08,059 It's such a betrayal. 658 00:37:08,142 --> 00:37:12,021 How could I have allowed myself to be there? 659 00:37:14,941 --> 00:37:16,359 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 660 00:37:17,443 --> 00:37:19,236 (CARS HONKING) 661 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,197 (HELICOPTER WHIRRING) 662 00:37:23,032 --> 00:37:25,409 MARK: We're on our way to meet with Diane Benscoter. 663 00:37:25,493 --> 00:37:29,121 Uh, Diane herself was in a cult, and she really understands 664 00:37:29,205 --> 00:37:30,498 the difficulty of leaving. 665 00:37:34,669 --> 00:37:37,838 We're basically facing so much anger 666 00:37:37,922 --> 00:37:39,548 -from the inside... -DIANE BENSCOTER: Yeah. 667 00:37:39,632 --> 00:37:41,133 -...for what we did. -DIANE: Yeah. 668 00:37:41,217 --> 00:37:43,511 Even the people that say, "Okay, so he's bad," 669 00:37:43,594 --> 00:37:45,554 but then, like, "The way you did things is bad," 670 00:37:45,638 --> 00:37:47,932 and "Why did you have to destroy the tech?" 671 00:37:48,015 --> 00:37:50,226 They are so angry at us for what we did. 672 00:37:50,309 --> 00:37:53,562 Usually, an individual will leave an existing group, 673 00:37:53,646 --> 00:37:55,231 they'll figure it out and walk away, 674 00:37:55,314 --> 00:37:57,733 get help, support, but when the thing 675 00:37:57,817 --> 00:37:59,277 crumbles around you, 676 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,613 these people didn't make the choice necessary to leave, 677 00:38:02,697 --> 00:38:04,740 and the philosophy or the teaching 678 00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:06,701 that people are still clinging to 679 00:38:06,784 --> 00:38:08,327 is higher than everything. 680 00:38:08,411 --> 00:38:10,705 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 681 00:38:10,788 --> 00:38:12,164 They're not mad at you. 682 00:38:12,248 --> 00:38:14,583 They're mad because their world is crumbling. 683 00:38:14,667 --> 00:38:17,545 And so all they can do is "us" and "them." 684 00:38:17,628 --> 00:38:19,839 -MARK: Right. -Because that's one of the main components 685 00:38:19,922 --> 00:38:21,924 of these intense groups, 686 00:38:22,008 --> 00:38:24,010 is that there's always a "them" and an "us." 687 00:38:26,137 --> 00:38:27,847 So there has to be a crack. 688 00:38:27,930 --> 00:38:31,392 And then they start thinking, "Oh, I see." 689 00:38:31,475 --> 00:38:33,936 And all of a sudden, things start making sense. 690 00:38:36,022 --> 00:38:37,898 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 691 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,362 MARK: In order to free everybody, 692 00:38:43,446 --> 00:38:46,282 everything had to be burnt. And that was hard. 693 00:38:46,365 --> 00:38:49,535 If you hadn't taken the attitude that you had to kill the king, 694 00:38:49,618 --> 00:38:50,995 you wouldn't have gotten me out. 695 00:38:51,078 --> 00:38:55,583 You needed it to be that big for someone that had been... 696 00:38:55,666 --> 00:38:58,794 gaslighted as long as I had to be able to get out. 697 00:38:59,962 --> 00:39:02,298 I mean, I was working toward it, but I'm already 60, 698 00:39:02,381 --> 00:39:04,467 I would've been 80 before I actually made it out. 699 00:39:07,845 --> 00:39:11,807 KEITH: I've known Karen almost 30 years. 700 00:39:11,891 --> 00:39:14,310 All these people, women, whatever, 701 00:39:14,393 --> 00:39:15,853 that I interrelate with, 702 00:39:15,936 --> 00:39:17,897 why is it that I can have a relationship 703 00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:20,733 with multiple women for a long time? 704 00:39:22,318 --> 00:39:23,569 They stay. 705 00:39:23,652 --> 00:39:25,529 There are a lot who left, but more who stay. 706 00:39:27,698 --> 00:39:28,824 Well, why are you here? 707 00:39:53,974 --> 00:39:55,476 MARK: So you meet him when you were 18? 708 00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:58,479 -Mm-hmm. -MARK: And like-- 709 00:39:58,562 --> 00:40:01,565 -KAREN: Week after my father died. -Week after your father died. 710 00:40:01,649 --> 00:40:03,067 I didn't know that. 711 00:40:03,150 --> 00:40:04,944 -BONNIE: And he knew how to use that. -That's how he spotted me. 712 00:40:05,027 --> 00:40:06,362 He knew there was something wrong. 713 00:40:06,445 --> 00:40:10,157 MARK: Oh. And then you guys became thick as thieves. 714 00:40:10,241 --> 00:40:11,700 Yeah, very quickly. 715 00:40:13,577 --> 00:40:18,124 KAREN: I came to Keith with the belief that I was defective. 716 00:40:18,207 --> 00:40:21,710 And he just enhanced and utilized the belief. 717 00:40:24,213 --> 00:40:25,631 He helped you believe 718 00:40:25,714 --> 00:40:27,091 that you couldn't survive without him. 719 00:40:30,553 --> 00:40:33,931 I did meet his mom. She was very eccentric. 720 00:40:35,307 --> 00:40:38,936 He did talk about how she was manipulative with him. 721 00:40:39,019 --> 00:40:41,147 And Keith said she would make herself sick 722 00:40:41,230 --> 00:40:43,232 to punish him, which is the very thing 723 00:40:43,315 --> 00:40:44,358 he would claim 724 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:46,152 we were doing to him, you know. 725 00:40:47,653 --> 00:40:48,654 He would make himself sick 726 00:40:48,737 --> 00:40:50,906 to get us to stop asking him questions. 727 00:40:52,825 --> 00:40:55,202 His mom's up in that orange thing up above. 728 00:40:55,286 --> 00:40:56,495 That's one of the things I forgot-- 729 00:40:56,579 --> 00:40:58,330 -MARK: Which orange thing? -See on top of my shelf. 730 00:40:58,414 --> 00:41:00,166 -In there is a canister. -MARK: She's in there? 731 00:41:00,249 --> 00:41:01,292 Can I see that? 732 00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:07,590 I think that's Cuddles, 733 00:41:07,673 --> 00:41:10,050 -the cat. His cat. -That's his cat? 734 00:41:10,134 --> 00:41:11,552 KAREN: And this is Vera. 735 00:41:11,635 --> 00:41:13,762 -MARK: What the fuck? -KAREN: Vera Raniere. 736 00:41:13,846 --> 00:41:16,390 This is his mother. 737 00:41:16,473 --> 00:41:19,059 But it's been up there for 20 years, or 30 years, 738 00:41:19,143 --> 00:41:20,769 I completely forgot about it. 739 00:41:22,062 --> 00:41:23,314 Oh, I have something else. 740 00:41:25,232 --> 00:41:26,817 KAREN: So, this is a cleaned-up version 741 00:41:26,901 --> 00:41:27,943 of a list we were keeping 742 00:41:28,027 --> 00:41:30,321 of who's in, who's out, and who we don't know. 743 00:41:30,404 --> 00:41:33,324 We were concerned about people doing something to our database 744 00:41:33,407 --> 00:41:35,201 or something else. 745 00:41:35,284 --> 00:41:36,368 MARK: So it was what we thought, 746 00:41:36,452 --> 00:41:39,788 which is everybody's just spying on everybody. 747 00:41:39,872 --> 00:41:41,749 KAREN: And we did report everything to Keith. 748 00:41:41,832 --> 00:41:45,753 I would tell Keith things that I had found out. 749 00:41:45,836 --> 00:41:49,423 Remembering that I helped build this spreadsheet 750 00:41:49,506 --> 00:41:50,758 about people leaving. 751 00:41:51,675 --> 00:41:53,302 I have more empathy 752 00:41:53,385 --> 00:41:55,012 for the people that are still in. 753 00:41:57,223 --> 00:41:58,224 (CAT PURRS) 754 00:41:58,307 --> 00:42:00,768 I see people that are still following Keith 755 00:42:00,851 --> 00:42:03,103 and I feel that pull to want to just go like... 756 00:42:03,187 --> 00:42:04,271 "Wake up! 757 00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:07,483 This is... No, it's not what you thought it was." 758 00:42:08,984 --> 00:42:11,528 Once the truth about DOS came out, 759 00:42:11,612 --> 00:42:14,615 someone I knew shared with me that she had been approached 760 00:42:14,698 --> 00:42:16,951 to get into DOS and had at the time 761 00:42:17,034 --> 00:42:19,078 gone to Nancy and told her about it. 762 00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:22,748 So, Nancy had some idea of something. 763 00:42:23,832 --> 00:42:25,668 Like, Nancy knew all of this. 764 00:42:25,751 --> 00:42:29,421 I don't know how much she knew because what she was telling me 765 00:42:29,505 --> 00:42:32,258 kept changing. Keith gave her some... 766 00:42:32,341 --> 00:42:35,010 "Oh, it's just some girls doing some things" explanation, 767 00:42:35,094 --> 00:42:37,137 and I don't think she questioned things 768 00:42:37,221 --> 00:42:39,640 as much as some of us did. 769 00:42:39,723 --> 00:42:41,850 -For her he was a mentor... -MARK: Hmm. 770 00:42:43,602 --> 00:42:45,354 and a god in some ways. 771 00:42:48,607 --> 00:42:51,026 (TRAIN RATTLING) 772 00:42:52,861 --> 00:42:54,571 -(CAR HONKS) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 773 00:42:56,532 --> 00:42:59,034 REPORTER 1: It's an update on the NXIVM case. 774 00:42:59,118 --> 00:43:01,620 REPORTER 2: Keith Raniere and Nancy Salzman will be joined 775 00:43:01,704 --> 00:43:04,331 by other co-defendants today in Brooklyn court. 776 00:43:05,916 --> 00:43:07,835 REPORTER 3: This is the first time we're seeing 777 00:43:07,918 --> 00:43:09,837 what's being called NXIVM's "inner circle" 778 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,798 in a room all together since this all began. 779 00:43:17,094 --> 00:43:19,680 MOIRA: For the first time at the defense table, 780 00:43:19,763 --> 00:43:23,017 it was Keith Raniere and the other defendants. 781 00:43:24,935 --> 00:43:27,938 They had so many lawyers on the other side, 782 00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:30,316 and you had Marc Agnifilo 783 00:43:30,399 --> 00:43:33,444 saying, "I'm speaking with one voice." 784 00:43:35,571 --> 00:43:38,157 Loyalty among the inner circle 785 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:41,493 might be an additional challenge, 786 00:43:41,577 --> 00:43:44,663 but this type of loyalty is not something 787 00:43:44,747 --> 00:43:48,625 that is foreign to other criminal organizations. 788 00:43:50,669 --> 00:43:53,130 When you have this understanding 789 00:43:53,213 --> 00:43:58,302 that it's us against the world, us against other people 790 00:43:58,385 --> 00:44:00,679 who are trying to harm us. 791 00:44:01,722 --> 00:44:04,975 That is a very powerful motivator. 792 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,771 This level of loyalty might be something 793 00:44:08,854 --> 00:44:12,900 that I am never able to cut through. 794 00:44:14,276 --> 00:44:18,947 Some of these women may have made a lifetime commitment. 795 00:44:41,595 --> 00:44:42,596 Yeah. 796 00:44:52,773 --> 00:44:53,774 Hmm. 797 00:44:56,985 --> 00:44:57,986 So. 798 00:45:30,853 --> 00:45:31,854 (SOBS) 799 00:45:42,072 --> 00:45:45,159 (RADIO STATIC) 800 00:45:45,242 --> 00:45:48,287 I'd like to destroy the concept of destruction of value, 801 00:45:48,370 --> 00:45:49,872 and I'd like you to consider... 802 00:45:49,955 --> 00:45:52,791 -CREW MEMBER 1: You'd like to destroy? -(LAUGHS) Did I just say that? 803 00:45:52,875 --> 00:45:54,376 CREW MEMBER 2: Okay, it's ten more minutes. 804 00:45:54,460 --> 00:45:56,170 Don't lose it on us now. 805 00:45:56,253 --> 00:45:59,756 -Did I say I'd like to destroy the concepts? (CHUCKLES) -CREW: Yes! 806 00:46:00,799 --> 00:46:05,512 I think it was a Freudian slip. (LAUGHS) 807 00:46:05,596 --> 00:46:08,765 KEITH: Nancy, initially, Nancy was replaceable. 808 00:46:08,849 --> 00:46:10,893 We could've partnered with Anthony Robbins 809 00:46:10,976 --> 00:46:11,977 and other people, 810 00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:13,437 and I didn't feel they were appropriate. 811 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,772 Personality-wise and things like that. 812 00:46:17,065 --> 00:46:20,652 (LAUGHS) It just-- I feel like my mouth just isn't working. 813 00:46:20,736 --> 00:46:22,112 KEITH: She was a good student, 814 00:46:22,196 --> 00:46:23,947 and she was willing to learn the stuff. 815 00:46:24,031 --> 00:46:25,491 Number of disintegrations... 816 00:46:25,574 --> 00:46:27,493 -KEITH: And she practiced diligently. -And we have what's called 817 00:46:27,576 --> 00:46:28,785 an inner deficiency. 818 00:46:28,869 --> 00:46:31,038 Anger is fear, but it's hidden. 819 00:46:31,121 --> 00:46:32,247 What is self-esteem? 820 00:46:32,331 --> 00:46:33,707 KEITH: 'Cause I'd give her one thing 821 00:46:33,790 --> 00:46:36,001 and she'd go and she'd work it and practice it, practice it. 822 00:46:36,084 --> 00:46:38,837 You can even draw the diagram that I draw of the world. 823 00:46:38,921 --> 00:46:41,048 What are the problems that exist in the world? 824 00:46:41,131 --> 00:46:42,257 -Strave. -NANCY: Hunger. 825 00:46:42,341 --> 00:46:45,052 -This is starve. -Okay, what else. 826 00:46:45,135 --> 00:46:47,387 -The whales. -NANCY: The whales, of course. 827 00:46:47,471 --> 00:46:49,681 The problem's right here, blow it up. 828 00:46:49,765 --> 00:46:53,393 -(AUDIENCE LAUGHING) -NANCY: How's that? 829 00:46:53,477 --> 00:46:56,897 I take every chance I can to shadow Nancy Salzman. 830 00:46:56,980 --> 00:46:58,815 You represent such a warrior woman. 831 00:46:58,899 --> 00:47:02,486 And we follow behind you, bravely carrying our flag. 832 00:47:03,487 --> 00:47:04,530 GROUP: 833 00:47:08,617 --> 00:47:10,494 (APPLAUSE) 834 00:47:10,577 --> 00:47:12,871 KEITH: So now, Nancy's not replaceable. 835 00:47:13,789 --> 00:47:15,499 Thank you, thank you, thank you. 836 00:47:15,582 --> 00:47:17,292 (AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 837 00:47:17,376 --> 00:47:18,418 Thank you. 838 00:47:19,628 --> 00:47:20,921 KEITH: And ultimately that's my goal, 839 00:47:21,004 --> 00:47:23,590 to create a thousand Nancys in the world. 840 00:47:25,551 --> 00:47:28,720 NANCY: What would happen if each of my secrets came out? 841 00:47:29,972 --> 00:47:32,599 The upside of letting go of your secrets 842 00:47:32,683 --> 00:47:36,061 is that you will have a lot more freedom. 843 00:47:36,144 --> 00:47:41,066 The downside of your secrets coming out is punishment. 844 00:47:41,149 --> 00:47:44,111 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 845 00:47:44,194 --> 00:47:46,029 REPORTER 1: Huge developments in the NXIVM case. 846 00:47:48,282 --> 00:47:50,033 REPORTER 2: Nancy Salzman pleading guilty 847 00:47:50,117 --> 00:47:52,411 to one count of racketeering conspiracy 848 00:47:52,494 --> 00:47:54,037 in Brooklyn federal court. 849 00:47:54,121 --> 00:47:56,373 REPORTER 3: Up to this point, it seems that there was a unity 850 00:47:56,456 --> 00:47:57,958 between all of these defendants, 851 00:47:58,041 --> 00:48:00,252 but now that you've got the first guilty plea, 852 00:48:00,335 --> 00:48:03,463 you start to see the divide and kind of the cracks. 853 00:48:10,846 --> 00:48:13,849 SARAH: My first reaction to Nancy pleading guilty 854 00:48:13,932 --> 00:48:16,351 is like that's the beginning of the dominos falling. 855 00:48:16,435 --> 00:48:17,853 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 856 00:48:17,936 --> 00:48:19,730 The fact that the Prefect did this. 857 00:48:23,859 --> 00:48:26,278 BARBARA: (INHALES) Oh, wow. 858 00:48:26,361 --> 00:48:28,864 -(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 859 00:48:28,947 --> 00:48:30,782 MARK: I wonder if she's really waking up, 860 00:48:30,866 --> 00:48:33,952 or just trying to save herself and her daughter. 861 00:48:37,372 --> 00:48:39,249 (DRUMS BEATING) 862 00:48:48,258 --> 00:48:50,177 MARC: I met Nancy many, many times. 863 00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:52,346 -She's really a special person. -(INDISTINCT TRAIN ANNOUNCEMENT) 864 00:48:52,429 --> 00:48:55,265 MARC: You know, a sweet woman, a smart woman. 865 00:48:57,517 --> 00:48:58,769 It's a sad thing. 866 00:49:00,270 --> 00:49:02,439 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 867 00:49:02,522 --> 00:49:05,150 AUTOMATED VOICE 1: ...an inmate at a federal prison. 868 00:49:05,233 --> 00:49:06,401 AUTOMATED VOICE 2: Raniere. 869 00:49:06,485 --> 00:49:07,944 (PHONE BEEPS) 870 00:49:43,647 --> 00:49:45,649 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 871 00:49:47,776 --> 00:49:50,696 MARC: We had a long talk about Nancy's plea. 872 00:49:50,779 --> 00:49:53,031 You know, he's taking that kinda hard. 873 00:49:53,115 --> 00:49:56,326 He takes it as almost as, like, the death of a family member. 874 00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:58,954 Something that's really ripping his world apart. 875 00:50:00,747 --> 00:50:04,167 And he thinks it's a world that's worth preserving. 876 00:50:04,251 --> 00:50:06,253 And I think he is really grieving the fact 877 00:50:06,336 --> 00:50:07,921 that it's all coming to an end. 878 00:50:09,548 --> 00:50:10,966 And he is wondering if other people 879 00:50:11,049 --> 00:50:13,468 are going to plea, and I said, you know, "I really don't know." 880 00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:21,017 REPORTER 1: New updates in the case against the 881 00:50:21,101 --> 00:50:22,936 the alleged cult NXIVM. 882 00:50:23,019 --> 00:50:23,979 REPORTER 2: Lauren Salzman 883 00:50:24,062 --> 00:50:26,231 now pleading guilty to two counts, 884 00:50:26,314 --> 00:50:29,151 racketeering conspiracy and racketeering. 885 00:50:29,234 --> 00:50:31,236 REPORTER 3: Part of Lauren Salzman's plea 886 00:50:31,319 --> 00:50:32,487 was redacted. 887 00:50:32,571 --> 00:50:35,240 There is a suggestion that she very well could testify 888 00:50:35,323 --> 00:50:36,533 at the trial. 889 00:50:38,201 --> 00:50:39,161 EMILY: To plead guilty 890 00:50:39,244 --> 00:50:40,579 and to decide to leave somebody behind 891 00:50:40,662 --> 00:50:42,622 and not proceed to trial with them, I think is-- 892 00:50:42,706 --> 00:50:44,583 just must be a very difficult decision. 893 00:50:44,666 --> 00:50:46,835 It just makes for high drama in the courtroom. 894 00:50:46,918 --> 00:50:49,254 I think they all thought they would go to trial together. 895 00:50:49,337 --> 00:50:51,631 -(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 896 00:50:51,715 --> 00:50:52,966 REPORTER 1: Allison Mack cracks. 897 00:50:53,049 --> 00:50:54,634 REPORTER 2: Mack tearfully confessing 898 00:50:54,718 --> 00:50:56,052 in a Brooklyn federal court. 899 00:50:56,136 --> 00:50:58,013 REPORTER 3: Did she agree to testify 900 00:50:58,096 --> 00:51:00,140 against Keith Raniere or Clare Bronfman? 901 00:51:00,223 --> 00:51:02,225 REPORTER 4: Mack will be the third defendant 902 00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:04,102 to plead guilty ahead of the trial. 903 00:51:04,186 --> 00:51:07,439 She faces a maximum of 40 years in prison. 904 00:51:07,522 --> 00:51:09,274 Any comment, why do you think you were misguided 905 00:51:09,357 --> 00:51:10,692 by Raniere? 906 00:51:12,611 --> 00:51:15,238 REPORTER 5: In the next hour, we expect to hear guilty pleas 907 00:51:15,322 --> 00:51:16,615 from the heiress to Seagram's Liquor, 908 00:51:16,698 --> 00:51:18,408 39-year-old Clare Bronfman. 909 00:51:18,492 --> 00:51:19,785 She's charged with money laundering 910 00:51:19,868 --> 00:51:20,952 and identity theft. 911 00:51:21,036 --> 00:51:24,289 Oh, that might... Is that Clare? 912 00:51:24,372 --> 00:51:26,124 I think that's the other Clare. 913 00:51:26,208 --> 00:51:27,292 Okay, let's go. 914 00:51:33,131 --> 00:51:34,257 Sorry. 915 00:51:35,675 --> 00:51:37,177 Good morning, how are you? 916 00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:38,261 All right. 917 00:51:38,345 --> 00:51:39,846 I will give you some time with your client. 918 00:51:39,930 --> 00:51:41,014 LAWYER: Thank you. 919 00:51:41,097 --> 00:51:42,557 REPORTER 6: Seagram's heiress, Clare Bronfman, 920 00:51:42,641 --> 00:51:43,683 admitted to charges, 921 00:51:43,767 --> 00:51:46,770 leaving just the secretive group's leader. 922 00:51:46,853 --> 00:51:48,438 REPORTER 7: Keith Raniere will no longer 923 00:51:48,522 --> 00:51:50,023 have his inner circle 924 00:51:50,106 --> 00:51:53,193 sitting beside him as he faces his trial. 925 00:51:55,028 --> 00:51:57,989 MOIRA: Once one person had pleaded guilty, 926 00:51:58,073 --> 00:52:00,534 it did change the dynamic. 927 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,874 The question is, will they cooperate 928 00:52:07,958 --> 00:52:12,629 with the government and turn against Keith? 929 00:52:15,340 --> 00:52:18,844 BARBARA: Keith, I can rationalize that he's crazy, 930 00:52:18,927 --> 00:52:21,346 maybe a psychopath, 931 00:52:21,429 --> 00:52:24,015 but Nancy wasn't crazy. 932 00:52:25,892 --> 00:52:26,935 Honestly... 933 00:52:28,311 --> 00:52:31,439 she puzzles me more than Keith. 934 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,534 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 935 00:52:52,878 --> 00:52:55,422 REPORTER 1: FBI crews raid a home in Waterford 936 00:52:55,505 --> 00:52:58,091 with apparent connections to the alleged cult. 937 00:52:58,174 --> 00:52:59,342 (SIRENS WAILING) 938 00:52:59,426 --> 00:53:02,053 REPORTER 2: The FBI raiding the home Nancy Salzman, 939 00:53:02,137 --> 00:53:04,264 who helped co-found NXIVM. 940 00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:09,144 NANCY: You have 12 FBI agents raid your house for 11 hours. 941 00:53:15,483 --> 00:53:17,944 And then you get arrested and put in a cell. 942 00:53:21,698 --> 00:53:25,744 You feel like you must have done something wrong, 943 00:53:25,827 --> 00:53:28,580 because how else does something like this happen to you? 944 00:53:36,004 --> 00:53:39,299 The world is left with this view of you, 945 00:53:39,382 --> 00:53:40,926 that you know isn't you. 946 00:53:44,554 --> 00:53:46,973 Or how could it have been? 947 00:54:02,697 --> 00:54:05,283 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 948 00:54:06,409 --> 00:54:07,953 ♪ ("BEHIND HER SMILE" BY BETSY PLAYING) ♪ 949 00:54:08,036 --> 00:54:12,415 ♪ In the window, there's a girl She screams to the gods above ♪ 950 00:54:12,499 --> 00:54:17,003 ♪ She begs please To be released ♪ 951 00:54:17,087 --> 00:54:20,507 ♪ But she's just left Shouting louder ♪ 952 00:54:22,258 --> 00:54:26,137 ♪ Maybe she knows That life is a joke ♪ 953 00:54:26,221 --> 00:54:29,391 ♪ So she spins like A whirling dervish ♪ 954 00:54:29,474 --> 00:54:31,977 ♪ For love In a stranger's eyes ♪ 955 00:54:33,103 --> 00:54:36,564 ♪ She drinks till The morning light ♪ 956 00:54:36,648 --> 00:54:41,444 ♪ 'Cause behind her smile There's a clown and he laughs ♪ 957 00:54:41,528 --> 00:54:44,489 ♪ With an evil That swallows you whole ♪ 958 00:54:44,572 --> 00:54:47,993 ♪ Making fun of her every day ♪ 959 00:54:48,076 --> 00:54:50,829 ♪ But there's nowhere To run away ♪ 960 00:54:52,122 --> 00:54:54,332 ♪ Behind her smile ♪ 961 00:54:54,416 --> 00:54:56,626 ♪ There's a demon Who'll dance ♪ 962 00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:59,629 ♪ On the pieces left Of her soul ♪ 963 00:54:59,713 --> 00:55:02,674 ♪ Keeps reminding Her every day ♪ 964 00:55:03,883 --> 00:55:07,387 ♪ That it'll always Be this way ♪ 965 00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:09,556 ♪ She turns on the taps ♪ 966 00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:13,351 ♪ And wonders How to drown herself today ♪ 967 00:55:13,435 --> 00:55:17,022 ♪ Wonders if she'll Make it out okay ♪ 968 00:55:17,105 --> 00:55:20,942 ♪ Hopes that The cold will soon be over ♪ 969 00:55:26,281 --> 00:55:28,491 ♪ ("BEHIND HER SMILE" CONCLUDES) ♪