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Hello, and welcome.
I'm Nancy Salzman.
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I'm the president
of NXIVM Corporation
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and Executive Success Programs.
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If you get involved in a group,
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what's the word
people usually use
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to invalidate the group?
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"Cult," right?
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♪ (EERIE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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People use the term "cult"
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because they want
to devalue a group,
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but they have no way of doing it
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except by putting
unsubstantiated doubt
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in the minds of unsuspecting,
non-critically-thinking people.
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If this happens to you, ask,
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"What are they doing
that's bad?"
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(RADIO STATIC)
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♪ ("DREAM STATE"
BY SON LUX PLAYING) ♪
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♪ Days we were young
We took photographs ♪
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♪ Of everything we could see ♪
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♪ We had to run from it
Priest and prophetess ♪
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♪ We were nothing
We would defy ♪
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♪ Invisible skin
Where is the world within ♪
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♪ Invincible skin
It's how we all begin ♪
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♪ ("DREAM STATE" CONCLUDES) ♪
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♪ (SOFT EERIE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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REPORTER 1: A sensational trial
is underway in New York.
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REPORTER 2: The explosive trial
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of NXIVM's sex cult leader
Keith Raniere.
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REPORTER 3: Brainwashing,
sex abuse, and even branding.
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REPORTER 4: Raniere faces
charges including
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sex trafficking and racketeering
connected to a secret society.
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REPORTER 5: If convicted,
he could spend life in prison.
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REPORTER 6: His lawyers say
that his relationships
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were consensual.
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REPORTER 7: If you have a leader
who is seen as almost mythical
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and you're basically being told
that you might have to sleep
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with this leader of the group,
is that really consent?
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I don't think that it is,
but again, try proving it.
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REPORTER 8:
This trial is very much
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an attempt to try
and understand which version
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of Keith Raniere is true.
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♪ (MUSIC CRESCENDOS, FADES) ♪
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-(BIRDS CHIRPING)
-(APPLAUSE)
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Thank you. Please be seated.
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I am gathering all of you here
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because I wanted to talk
about some of what's going on.
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You're of sufficient position
in the organization
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where I think you deserve
to know.
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And this is something that
has to stay in this room
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and the thing
that we can't comment about
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is there are
criminal investigations
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in multiple countries.
This is not a small thing.
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Supposedly there's an article
that is likely gonna come out,
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like, the New York Times.
It's like a one-sided--
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zero participation from us.
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They're just writing
all the hearsay.
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♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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So...
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I guess it's hard
because I keep on hoping...
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You know,
you plan for the worst,
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you hope for the best.
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And I keep on hoping that...
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either people I knew
who are friends
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or who I thought were different
or whatever,
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will come to their senses
and say, "This is ridiculous."
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It's my belief
if people knew me...
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people knew the man...
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there would be, I hope, no doubt
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there's nothing nefarious,
there's no abuse of power.
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I'm a person that walks around
all day worrying about,
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am I abusing power
by saying this, by saying that?
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That is my life.
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I walk around.
At night, I cry for hours.
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We're on the ground.
We are being kicked.
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There is--
There are aggressive actions
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by probably a very few people
coordinated against us.
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The question is, how would
noble people handle it?
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How would--
How should we handle it?
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Just because of the situation
that we're in,
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I would ask all of you
in this room
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to keep the discussion
about criminal investigations
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within this room.
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Um, it's a-- it's a--
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It is demanded of us.
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Yes.
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That enough?
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♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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OFFICER 1: (IN SPANISH)
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-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
-(SIRENS WAILING)
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OFFICER 1:
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OFFICER 1:
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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OFFICER 1:
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(IN ENGLISH)
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REPORTER 1: The suspected head
of an alleged cult
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now faces charges
in the United States.
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REPORTER 2: NXIVM posted
a statement to their website
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moments ago.
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REPORTER 3: In part,
the statement reads,
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"In response to the allegations
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against our founder,
Keith Raniere,
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we are currently working
with the authorities
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to demonstrate his innocence
and true character.
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We strongly believe
the justice system will prevail
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in bringing the truth to light."
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(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
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MARC AGNIFILO:
Many of the allegations,
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even if true,
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if you read the complaint,
don't make out federal charges.
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And so, we think that
Mr. Raniere is-- is innocent.
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We don't think there was any
non-consensual criminal conduct.
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PAUL DEROHANNESIAN:
But no one's ever heard
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the rest of the story
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and the other side
of what's happened.
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I think this case is gonna
give us an opportunity
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to explain a lot more
than the public has heard.
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REPORTER 1: Keith Raniere
made his first appearance
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-in a New York court today.
-REPORTER 2: Keith Raniere
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appeared in front
of a judge in Brooklyn.
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The judge denied
Raniere's request for bail.
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REPORTER: He's maintaining
his innocence.
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To hear him say that, I mean,
what comes to mind?
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He's a sociopath.
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Of course he's gonna
maintain his innocence.
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CATHERINE OXENBERG:
He doesn't have a moral compass.
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He doesn't know-- He doesn't--
He can't differentiate.
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-TONI NATALIE: Not at all.
-He'll justify any abuse.
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The last time I saw Keith
was April 1999,
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and he said to me, "I will
see you dead or in jail."
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So, he got half of it right.
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TONI: Goodbye!
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BONNIE PIESSE: Oh, my God.
It's so good to see you guys.
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TONI: I heard
the chains come off, Mark.
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-Oh, you did? You did?
-I did,
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I heard the chains drop.
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MARK: So you guys
were looking at him?
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We were in the front row,
like, eye--
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-BONNIE: Did he look at you?
-CATHERINE: Twice.
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He is arrogant,
and cocky, and believes
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-that this is just another--
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MARK: Do you know why
he doesn't look broken?
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There's nothing to break inside.
He's got a fucking-- no soul.
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-TONI: I agree.
-BONNIE: He's delusional.
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-Yeah.
-CATHERINE: Yeah,
I said that to the press.
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BONNIE: Very delusional.
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MARK: He wants to go to trial
because he likes court movies
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-a lot.
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There's a lot more charges--
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He likes court movies so much,
and he has this vision of doing
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-an argument in court...
-BONNIE: Being like
Atticus Finch or something.
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...and being Atticus Finch.
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-Sort of this 20 to 40-minute
monologue.
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He wants desperately
to have his moment.
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So, he's gonna try
and go for trial.
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CATHERINE: To do his word salad.
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MARK: What an ass. What an ass.
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(CELL PHONE RINGING)
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MARK: Hey.
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MARK: You're worried
'cause you think
his lawyers are strong.
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MARK:
I think we're all accustomed
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to getting beaten up
for so long,
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we're just assuming
we're going to lose.
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-BONNIE: Yeah.
-MARK: Yeah.
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DOS is operating on a premise,
that for so long,
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women have calibrated
their value in regard to men.
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Let's take men
out of the sentence.
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Just the notion
of getting branded.
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Talk to all the football players
who have a branding
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on their arm,
are they all in cults?
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You know what the difference is?
They're men.
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Oh, are you trying
to make this about--
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A hundred percent I am.
Am I trying to? It is.
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-So this is female empowerment.
-It is.
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-A hundred percent.
-Challenging.
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It's for real,
and you know what?
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And it's the government
and the media are coming down
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on the women of DOS.
Women have a secret society,
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women brand themselves,
and they're poor little dears
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and they're victims.
When men do it,
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they're Marines.
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MARC: We think
the government's dead wrong.
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We think that their premise
is faulty.
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And we think
when the truth comes out,
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Keith is gonna be acquitted.
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Everyone should pay very
close attention to this trial.
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I believe we have information
the government doesn't have.
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And so everyone's in
for a big surprise
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when the actual trial
takes place.
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This is probably
the most unique case
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I've had in 28 years.
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And being a prosecutor
and being a defense lawyer both.
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You know, and I've had some
fascinating cases.
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We worked on
the Martin Shkreli trial.
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REPORTER 1: Pharma Bro,
Martin Shkreli,
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became infamous
for raising the price
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of a lifesaving AIDS drug
by 5,000 percent.
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MARC: Shkreli was set to be
the most hated man in America.
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MARTIN SHKRELI:
We're, I think delighted,
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thank you very much,
Ben and Marc,
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who's a great lawyer.
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MARC: I had
Dominique Strauss-Kahn's case,
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when he was IMF head.
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REPORTER 1: Strauss-Kahn
was one of the most influential
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decision makers in the world,
but a sexual assault accusation
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from a New York hotel
chambermaid
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dashed any presidential hopes.
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REPORTER 2: Moments ago,
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a Supreme Court Judge
for the state of New York
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dismissed charges against
Dominique Strauss-Kahn.
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REPORTER 3: They could not prove
attempted rape
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and sexual assault beyond
a reasonable doubt.
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MARC: I fortunately have
a pretty good record
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with my trials, and that's
because I go to trial
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when it's time to go to trial.
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If your client's guilty
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and the government can prove it,
cut a deal and call it a day.
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I have never had that thought
in this case.
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This is a trial from the door.
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So, the government wants a trial
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and they've got themselves
a trial.
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MOIRA PENZA: I view
Keith Raniere as a crime boss.
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The same way I would view anyone
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who is the head of an
organized crime family.
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(APPLAUSE)
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MOIRA: You have somebody
who's held up and revered.
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I always feel funny, thank you.
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MOIRA:
There's this power dynamic
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that's built in from day one.
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Being in a room
where there's a picture
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of Keith Raniere
and Nancy Salzman.
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Everybody is wearing sashes.
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It was a way
to indoctrinate people.
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-GROUP: Thank you, Prefect.
-Thank you, Vice Prefect.
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-Thank you, Prefect.
-GROUP: Thank you, Prefect.
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(APPLAUSE)
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MOIRA: With all of this power,
Keith Raniere was able
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to give orders
and have other people
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commit crimes on his behalf.
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This is what
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traditional organized crime
looks like.
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♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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MOIRA: The eastern district
of New York
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has a storied history
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of bringing creative novel
racketeering prosecutions.
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And we also have this
long history of mafia cases.
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REPORTER: It took prosecutors
four trials
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and six years to finally win
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a guilty verdict against
John Gotti.
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MOIRA: So,
I was really building off
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of a lot
of institutional knowledge
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in terms of how to prosecute
a criminal enterprise.
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As we made the decisions
of which crimes to charge
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and who was responsible
as a member of the enterprise,
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it very quickly became clear
who the major players were.
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These are all women
who did have the opportunity
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to see behind the curtain.
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And I certainly stand by
the decision to prosecute
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all of them.
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(MARK EXHALES)
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We got news that something's
happening right now.
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(BONNIE GROANS)
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MARK: We assume
multiple arrests.
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BONNIE: Oh, my God!
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-Clare, Lauren, Nancy.
-I'm calling Ames right now.
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Superseding indictment.
What does
superseding indictment mean?
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These are the
superseding indictments.
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The additional indictments.
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-Okay, that means...
-AMES: (ON PHONE)
Oh, my God.
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...that online somewhere
is the entire FBI report.
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Here. Do you have it?
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SARAH: (ON PHONE)
Twenty-three pages, it's crazy.
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"United States of America
against Keith Raniere,
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also known as Vanguard,
Clare Bronfman, Allison Mack,
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Lauren Salzman,
and Nancy Salzman."
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BONNIE: Organized crime,
like the fucking mafia.
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MARK: Ten counts
of racketeering.
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Identity theft.
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Harboring of aliens
for financial gain.
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Extortion, forced labor,
sex trafficking.
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Money laundering, wire fraud
and obstruction of justice.
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It's absolutely huge,
it's way bigger than the stuff
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we were basically going
to them about.
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This is the moment.
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Everything in the training
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that we've been
having the last few years,
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tells you now's the time
you show up for him.
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Now is the time you go to court.
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-(BIRDS CHIRPING)
-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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REPORTER 1: Arrested today,
Nancy Salzman,
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the co-founder and president
of NXIVM,
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as well as her daughter
Lauren Salzman.
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SARAH: Lauren
on five-million-dollar bail.
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Holy shit.
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What must be going through
her mind right now.
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(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS)
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REPORTER 1: Also indicted today,
Clare Bronfman.
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REPORTER 2: She's the heiress of
the Seagram's liquor company
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with assets estimated to be
around 200 million dollars,
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and for many years,
Clare Bronfman
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had been financing NXIVM
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and supporting its co-founder
Keith Raniere.
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REPORTER 3: Well,
actress Allison Mack
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is set to have a bail hearing
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regarding her involvement
with Keith Raniere.
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-(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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REPORTER 1: Now, the actress
was released today,
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on a five-million-dollar
bond agreement
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that was co-signed
by her parents.
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REPORTER 2: Anything to say
about the charges against you?
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LAWYER:
Just back off, all right.
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KEITH: So, you are gonna go out
onstage and you're scared
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-you're going to be rejected.
-ALLISON: Yeah.
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What's the worst
that's gonna happen?
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-Really the worst.
-I think in that moment, like,
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I was thinking about that
as we were talking,
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it feels like
I will be unloved forever.
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REPORTER 4:
Were you involved in a sex cult?
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KEITH: Wait, wait,
it's going a little further now.
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I hear some boos
coming from the audience...
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-Yeah. I got it.
-...and some guffaws
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and they have people
following you.
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And they point to her like,
"bad Allison," right?
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-(OBJECTS CLATTERING)
-(ONLOOKER CACKLING)
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It just feels so, it's like
such rejection, like so...
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-like you've--
-What do you mean-- You're not--
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-Like they know--
-They're not rejecting you.
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-ALLISON: Right, that's--
-They're rejecting
your performance.
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You are confusing you,
with what you do.
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If that's removed,
you come in touch
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with a part of you that is...
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invincible. Authentic.
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(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK)
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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NICKI CLYNE: We were moving
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when they came
to arrest Allison.
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This guy came up to me
and shows me his badge
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and he's like,
"Is Allison Mack in there?"
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And when she saw,
I was like, "Allison,
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they're here to arrest you."
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And she just starts shaking.
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And I was like,
"What do you need?"
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And they said she needed shoes
without laces,
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she needed to take off
her jewelry.
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I thought I was gonna see her
later that day.
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I don't even think
I gave her a hug,
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I was just like,
"I'll see you in a little bit."
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And that was it.
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♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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NICKI: It's been
a very isolating experience
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without Allison
and also without Keith.
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NICKI: Hi, I'm Nicki.
About five years ago,
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my friend came back
from taking this course.
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We had talked about,
you know, personal growth
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and things before,
but she came back
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and this time she seemed
different and I just said,
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"I want what she's having,"
I signed up right away.
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People do all kind of things to
get to know themselves better.
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They go backpacking in Europe,
go to ashrams in India.
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I happened to go to Albany.
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...I trusted her
and it's the best decision
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-I ever made.
-KEITH: Cool.
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Or what?
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Throw him out the airlock
like a piece of garbage?
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NICKI: Even though I was
having success on TV,
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I felt like
I wasn't getting traction.
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You've got to help him.
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NICKI: I didn't feel fulfilled,
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like, I didn't feel secure
in myself...
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-Yes, another.
-NICKI: ...until I took ESP.
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Nicki from Albany. Hi.
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The way that I relate
with people is a direct effect
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of what I built with Keith.
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And of course, you don't know
how much further you can go,
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but you do know
you can go further.
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Always can.
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He helped me learn to trust
and learn to love.
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(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING, CHEERING)
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NICKI: It's important to be
part of a community
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of people who support
each other.
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(APPLAUDING, CHEERING)
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NICKI: I had come to rely
on that support.
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And I don't have that anymore.
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NICKI: I was here right
before Keith left for Mexico...
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which he was fully intending
to come back from.
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That's one of the lies that
the government told
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in order to justify
that he was a flight risk.
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Oh, this is Keith's jacket,
I think.
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He always walked around
in this big puffy coat.
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I was in a physical relationship
with Keith for many years.
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You know, I kept it secret.
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A lot of people in the community
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didn't know
who Keith's partners were
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or if he even had any.
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But I felt very clear
on what I was signing up for.
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I wish there was a way
people could see who Keith is...
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(SOBS)
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...and how much
he has contributed to
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making this world a better place
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through everyone
he's interacted with.
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I feel proud of my decisions.
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And I stand by them.
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(SOBS) And I know how hard
that must be
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for people to understand
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00:24:05,986 --> 00:24:09,114
considering the lens
through which
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this situation
is being portrayed.
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SARAH: I feel responsible
for Nicki, because
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I brought her in.
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-SARAH: It was awesome.
Awesome possum.
-Team Awesome.
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-KEITH: Your possum team
is finished?
-Not yet.
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Almost.
I'm waiting for her right now.
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SARAH: I brought lots
of people in,
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they did a five-day and they
moved on with their life,
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and they're fine.
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00:24:38,059 --> 00:24:39,311
Nicki's not fine.
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Nicki has a hard road
ahead of her.
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The first step to be
on that road
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is recognizing Keith is...
not who he says he is.
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I don't know if she'll ever
accept that.
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And I'm not gonna
be the one to tell her
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she's wrong about that.
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She's gotta come to that
on her own terms.
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So, can't control it.
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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(CAR HONKING)
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Hey, copy looks great for NXIVM,
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um, but two things.
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So, Grandmaster is one word
and it should be capitalized.
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So I started covering
Brooklyn federal court
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for the New York Post.
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♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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EMILY: We're known
for our headlines.
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My understanding
when I first started was that,
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what drives a story
is it's supposed to have,
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00:25:44,709 --> 00:25:46,795
like, a "Hey, Martha,"
kind of quality
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which apparently... (CHUCKLES)
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...is this sort
of quintessential,
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like American couple
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00:25:53,802 --> 00:25:55,971
who's reading the paper
in the morning at the table
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00:25:56,054 --> 00:25:57,722
and you're supposed to have...
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as it was told to me,
the husband, like,
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put down his paper as his wife
is making him breakfast
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00:26:03,144 --> 00:26:04,813
and go, "Hey, Martha,
you won't believe
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00:26:04,896 --> 00:26:06,314
what I'm, like,
reading in the paper."
449
00:26:06,398 --> 00:26:09,025
And this story
just has-- is only that.
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00:26:09,109 --> 00:26:13,238
It's like, every detail
of it is "Hey, Martha."
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00:26:16,825 --> 00:26:18,326
The press loves Allison Mack.
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But, I mean, in terms of who
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I personally find
the most interesting,
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it would be Keith Raniere.
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Self-proclaimed
"smartest man in the world."
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But we all have our own tastes.
(CHUCKLES)
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00:26:37,012 --> 00:26:41,099
I have done trials before,
I did Chapo.
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00:26:41,182 --> 00:26:44,602
Bill Cosby's first trail.
Bill Crosby's second trail.
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00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:49,065
It sounds so callous
because like,
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this is a trial
where you have people
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00:26:51,067 --> 00:26:53,695
who were severely victimized,
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00:26:53,778 --> 00:26:57,657
but I enjoy the lurid aspect
of, like, some of these things.
463
00:26:58,283 --> 00:26:59,409
I've sent my story.
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As many people do.
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00:27:01,661 --> 00:27:03,872
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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00:27:07,167 --> 00:27:08,752
MARC: You know,
it's two great words,
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00:27:08,835 --> 00:27:10,337
"sex" and "cult."
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00:27:10,420 --> 00:27:12,088
You can't beat that
for a headline.
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REPORTER 1: Keith Raniere,
the Superman
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in what many believe
is a sex cult.
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REPORTER 2: New details
just revealed
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on the secretive sex cult.
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MARC: The media captured
public imagination,
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and unfortunately captured
the government's attention.
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00:27:28,855 --> 00:27:30,440
The problem is,
I then have to speak
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for a week, you know, to explain
why it's not a sex cult
477
00:27:34,027 --> 00:27:36,029
and why these, you know,
these are adult women
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making the decisions
that adult women make,
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you know, for their own lives.
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And the government knows that,
you know, and the government's
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00:27:42,494 --> 00:27:45,330
leveraging that to try
to kinda keep this thing going.
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MOIRA: It was very important
to show
483
00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:52,754
that sex was
a major part of this.
484
00:27:54,089 --> 00:27:55,757
I can't get into
Keith Raniere's head
485
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,301
and talk about whether
it was really about the sex
486
00:27:58,385 --> 00:28:00,220
or really about the power,
whatever it was
487
00:28:00,303 --> 00:28:03,473
it doesn't matter.
The fact was sexual abuse
488
00:28:03,556 --> 00:28:07,435
of women was part
of this enterprise.
489
00:28:09,354 --> 00:28:11,231
MARC: Keith makes no apologies
for the fact
490
00:28:11,314 --> 00:28:15,193
that he has multiple
long-term partners.
491
00:28:15,276 --> 00:28:18,363
Now, some of these women
he has sex with,
492
00:28:18,446 --> 00:28:20,657
some of these women he doesn't.
493
00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:23,576
And these women
know this about him.
494
00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:26,496
To be in love with Keith
is to accept Keith
495
00:28:26,579 --> 00:28:27,747
on Keith's terms,
496
00:28:27,831 --> 00:28:31,042
and they can't possibly say
the women didn't consent.
497
00:28:32,335 --> 00:28:34,421
Well, I think when you talk
about consent,
498
00:28:34,504 --> 00:28:36,673
the idea is informed consent.
499
00:28:36,756 --> 00:28:39,509
(PHONE PINGS)
500
00:28:39,592 --> 00:28:43,805
MOIRA: Within DOS, the women,
once they were collateralized,
501
00:28:43,888 --> 00:28:46,349
can never get that stuff back,
502
00:28:46,433 --> 00:28:49,978
so you have to do
whatever is being asked of you.
503
00:28:51,187 --> 00:28:53,690
It's very clear
that none of the women
504
00:28:53,773 --> 00:28:56,693
were told
what they were signing up for.
505
00:28:56,776 --> 00:28:59,946
It's a fascinating case,
not because of the allegations,
506
00:29:00,029 --> 00:29:02,449
in my opinion,
it's a fascinating case
507
00:29:02,532 --> 00:29:06,077
because it's a case
that's criminalizing choices
508
00:29:06,161 --> 00:29:08,705
that adults are making
to be happy.
509
00:29:08,788 --> 00:29:10,707
And I think
once the federal government
510
00:29:10,790 --> 00:29:13,168
gets in that space,
man, that's dangerous.
511
00:29:13,751 --> 00:29:14,669
Back off.
512
00:29:14,752 --> 00:29:16,379
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
513
00:29:16,463 --> 00:29:18,339
MARC: So, the only way
to rectify it
514
00:29:18,423 --> 00:29:21,468
is to hear from these
DOS women firsthand
515
00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:23,178
and set the record straight.
516
00:29:23,261 --> 00:29:25,680
And say, "Listen, I joined DOS
for my own reasons,
517
00:29:25,763 --> 00:29:28,892
they were good reasons,
it's a commitment for life."
518
00:29:28,975 --> 00:29:30,351
You know, even the power
and might
519
00:29:30,435 --> 00:29:31,811
of the great federal government,
520
00:29:31,895 --> 00:29:34,397
you know, hasn't shaken
these women from that belief.
521
00:29:38,193 --> 00:29:41,905
I have the authority
to shine a light
522
00:29:41,988 --> 00:29:46,242
on various things about DOS
that have been misunderstood...
523
00:29:47,202 --> 00:29:50,872
because I helped create it.
524
00:29:52,832 --> 00:29:56,461
Sex was not the focus
of anything.
525
00:29:56,544 --> 00:29:59,214
Like, people
are so obsessed with sex.
526
00:29:59,297 --> 00:30:02,634
It was also a walking group.
527
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,263
It was also
a go-for-coffee group.
528
00:30:07,347 --> 00:30:10,475
We were people
who had relationships
529
00:30:10,558 --> 00:30:14,896
that were incredibly important
and meaningful to us
530
00:30:14,979 --> 00:30:18,483
that we planned to have
for the rest of our lives.
531
00:30:26,449 --> 00:30:27,450
MICHELE HATCHETTE:
People think,
532
00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:29,369
"Anyone who's still around
are just
533
00:30:29,452 --> 00:30:32,830
brainwashed bitches of Keith
doing his bidding."
534
00:30:33,498 --> 00:30:34,707
How insulting.
535
00:30:34,791 --> 00:30:38,461
-(BIRDS CHIRPING)
-♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
536
00:30:39,087 --> 00:30:41,589
MICHELE: When I was 24,
537
00:30:41,673 --> 00:30:45,009
I had gone through
a pretty intense breakup.
538
00:30:46,302 --> 00:30:49,305
I was suicidal for a while.
539
00:30:51,266 --> 00:30:55,937
And I needed a way
of processing a pain
540
00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:59,274
I'd never experienced before.
541
00:30:59,357 --> 00:31:02,569
And I became a seeker
because I was like,
542
00:31:02,652 --> 00:31:06,614
"I don't know how to do this."
543
00:31:06,698 --> 00:31:09,659
So, I was like, "Ooh,
Bikram Yoga every morning
544
00:31:09,742 --> 00:31:12,036
at six o'clock?
Yep, I'll be there."
545
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,998
Church, I was shopping
for churches like
546
00:31:15,081 --> 00:31:17,208
shopping for shoes
or a boyfriend.
547
00:31:17,292 --> 00:31:19,252
(INDISTINCT)
548
00:31:19,335 --> 00:31:21,963
MICHELE: So, before
I came into ESP,
549
00:31:22,046 --> 00:31:24,674
I was already on this path.
550
00:31:25,508 --> 00:31:27,302
I've always been a dreamer.
551
00:31:27,385 --> 00:31:29,304
And the question
has always been,
552
00:31:29,387 --> 00:31:30,930
"How do I actualize a dream?"
553
00:31:31,014 --> 00:31:33,766
And then I did this
and it was amazing,
554
00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:35,643
it's like, it just opened up.
555
00:31:39,314 --> 00:31:40,815
I wanted to be the best of me,
556
00:31:40,898 --> 00:31:43,693
I wanted to do
everything excellent.
557
00:31:44,736 --> 00:31:46,779
So when Allison came
to me and said,
558
00:31:46,863 --> 00:31:49,157
"There's something
that I've been a part of,
559
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,450
it's just for women,
560
00:31:50,533 --> 00:31:53,620
and I'd love to share more
with you about it,
561
00:31:53,703 --> 00:31:55,121
but that's all I can share
for now,"
562
00:31:55,204 --> 00:31:57,915
I was like, "Okay,
if this is just for women
563
00:31:57,999 --> 00:31:59,125
and she's a part of it,
564
00:31:59,208 --> 00:32:01,336
I know there's some dope sisters
a part of this too."
565
00:32:03,588 --> 00:32:06,799
DOS was not kid-glove stuff.
566
00:32:08,843 --> 00:32:12,847
This was hardcore life.
567
00:32:14,891 --> 00:32:19,187
DOS for me was
where I got to figure out
568
00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:20,730
what I was made of.
569
00:32:22,565 --> 00:32:26,194
We were simulating
situations that would call
570
00:32:26,277 --> 00:32:31,908
for more discipline,
character, and commitment.
571
00:32:33,076 --> 00:32:36,329
Allison wasn't there
to affirm things in me,
572
00:32:36,412 --> 00:32:38,915
like, "Oh, you're so nice,
you're so pretty."
573
00:32:38,998 --> 00:32:43,211
She would give me feedback
to help me see my blind spots.
574
00:32:43,294 --> 00:32:46,047
I'm, like, at the edge
of my greatest fear,
575
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:48,466
and she's just like,
"Keep going."
576
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:51,803
And I'm like, "You're so mean,"
and like, "You're an asshole."
577
00:32:51,886 --> 00:32:55,098
It's like, I gave her permission
to push me
578
00:32:55,181 --> 00:32:57,225
because I told her
I wanted to be the best.
579
00:32:58,476 --> 00:32:59,977
It changed my life.
580
00:33:02,397 --> 00:33:05,525
There are many people
who have asked me,
581
00:33:05,608 --> 00:33:07,735
"Why didn't you just walk away?"
582
00:33:08,986 --> 00:33:10,321
I did walk away.
583
00:33:13,449 --> 00:33:15,076
After everything fell apart,
584
00:33:16,202 --> 00:33:17,203
I ended up working
585
00:33:17,286 --> 00:33:19,789
for this incredible
restaurant company.
586
00:33:20,957 --> 00:33:23,501
No one knew where I came from,
587
00:33:23,584 --> 00:33:26,379
and I felt like
I had a second chance.
588
00:33:28,756 --> 00:33:30,758
But then Frank Parlato
puts out an article
589
00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:34,095
in the Frank Report
and says that I brought Nicki
590
00:33:34,178 --> 00:33:37,265
to my job under the guise
of a restaurateur,
591
00:33:37,348 --> 00:33:39,976
but really why I had her there
was to recruit women
592
00:33:40,059 --> 00:33:41,227
into a sex cult.
593
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,021
(SIGHS) Okay.
594
00:33:44,105 --> 00:33:45,440
And then I got a phone call
595
00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:48,401
saying that I was terminated
effective immediately.
596
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:52,196
That's when it got real for me.
597
00:33:52,655 --> 00:33:54,449
How can I run?
598
00:33:54,532 --> 00:33:57,535
This is coming to my doorstep
no matter where I am.
599
00:34:00,288 --> 00:34:01,581
My involvement with DOS
600
00:34:01,664 --> 00:34:04,584
is not what has brought
hardship to my life.
601
00:34:05,126 --> 00:34:07,253
People saying...
602
00:34:07,336 --> 00:34:10,089
that this was
a sex trafficking operation,
603
00:34:10,173 --> 00:34:12,925
is why there's more hardship
in my life.
604
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,390
AUTOMATED VOICE: (OVER PHONE)
...an inmate at
a federal prison.
605
00:34:19,474 --> 00:34:20,516
AUTOMATED VOICE 2: Raniere.
606
00:34:21,267 --> 00:34:22,310
(OVER PHONE)
607
00:34:22,393 --> 00:34:24,145
MICHELE: I'm good, how are you?
608
00:34:24,228 --> 00:34:25,271
(KEITH CHUCKLES)
609
00:34:26,439 --> 00:34:28,941
(MICHELE LAUGHS)
610
00:34:29,025 --> 00:34:30,443
KEITH:
611
00:34:34,447 --> 00:34:36,616
The experiences that
we've been having
612
00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:37,950
and what we've been
going through
613
00:34:38,034 --> 00:34:39,869
has made it possible for me to,
614
00:34:39,952 --> 00:34:41,871
you know,
test what I really believe in
615
00:34:41,954 --> 00:34:44,582
and see if I'm willing to...
616
00:34:44,665 --> 00:34:47,752
stand, you know, stick up
for what I believe in and...
617
00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:50,421
KEITH:
618
00:34:54,342 --> 00:34:55,593
Hmm.
619
00:34:56,803 --> 00:34:59,013
KEITH:
620
00:34:59,096 --> 00:35:00,181
Oh.
621
00:35:00,264 --> 00:35:03,726
Well, it's-- Yeah, I'm glad
to hear that and it's--
622
00:35:03,810 --> 00:35:06,979
Yeah, it's important
to me, so... (CHUCKLES)
623
00:35:08,523 --> 00:35:10,191
We're fighting for you.
624
00:35:11,734 --> 00:35:13,152
KEITH:
625
00:35:20,076 --> 00:35:23,120
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
626
00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:25,248
VERO: Those friends of mine,
627
00:35:25,331 --> 00:35:27,834
that are defending him
with their lives...
628
00:35:29,168 --> 00:35:32,463
they are harming
themselves in a way
629
00:35:32,547 --> 00:35:36,008
that I truly hope
they can recover.
630
00:35:37,134 --> 00:35:40,304
They need to see
for themselves something.
631
00:35:40,388 --> 00:35:43,140
And I think there is
so much out there
632
00:35:43,224 --> 00:35:45,393
that if they don't see
it's because they truly
633
00:35:45,476 --> 00:35:47,186
don't want to.
634
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:48,771
Yes. Oh, hey. Hi, how are you?
635
00:35:48,855 --> 00:35:52,233
My name is Veronica.
I am happy to be here
636
00:35:52,316 --> 00:35:54,944
because I believe there's
a lot of work to be done.
637
00:35:55,027 --> 00:35:57,196
I have faith
and I have a lot of hope
638
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,866
and I'm ready for the hard work.
639
00:35:59,949 --> 00:36:02,034
-Well, good.
-Yeah.
640
00:36:02,118 --> 00:36:05,788
When I joined ESP,
I was really in a good place.
641
00:36:07,081 --> 00:36:12,795
I've been a professional actress
since I was 22 years old.
642
00:36:13,504 --> 00:36:15,506
And I had just come back
643
00:36:15,590 --> 00:36:18,009
from shooting
a pretty successful show.
644
00:36:19,552 --> 00:36:22,263
But I'm pretty much
a seeker, you know.
645
00:36:22,346 --> 00:36:25,600
KEITH: Let's create
a better world.
646
00:36:25,683 --> 00:36:28,603
VERO: When I joined
Executive Success Programs,
647
00:36:28,686 --> 00:36:32,231
I thought I had found what
I had been looking for.
648
00:36:32,315 --> 00:36:33,900
KEITH: Thank you
for your participation,
649
00:36:33,983 --> 00:36:35,735
everything that you've done.
650
00:36:35,818 --> 00:36:40,781
I was there for ten years,
when I was invited into DOS.
651
00:36:40,865 --> 00:36:43,910
We were supposed to be like,
the closest, the most loyal,
652
00:36:43,993 --> 00:36:47,330
the most committed women,
you know, upheld our values.
653
00:36:47,413 --> 00:36:51,834
Understand that all this,
seen from a good perspective,
654
00:36:51,918 --> 00:36:55,129
it empowers you,
and it was misused.
655
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,715
It was tremendously misused.
656
00:37:00,009 --> 00:37:04,680
It was so hard to see the wolf
behind the lamb suit, you know?
657
00:37:05,806 --> 00:37:08,059
It's such a betrayal.
658
00:37:08,142 --> 00:37:12,021
How could I have allowed myself
to be there?
659
00:37:14,941 --> 00:37:16,359
♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
660
00:37:17,443 --> 00:37:19,236
(CARS HONKING)
661
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,197
(HELICOPTER WHIRRING)
662
00:37:23,032 --> 00:37:25,409
MARK: We're on our way to meet
with Diane Benscoter.
663
00:37:25,493 --> 00:37:29,121
Uh, Diane herself was in a cult,
and she really understands
664
00:37:29,205 --> 00:37:30,498
the difficulty of leaving.
665
00:37:34,669 --> 00:37:37,838
We're basically facing
so much anger
666
00:37:37,922 --> 00:37:39,548
-from the inside...
-DIANE BENSCOTER: Yeah.
667
00:37:39,632 --> 00:37:41,133
-...for what we did.
-DIANE: Yeah.
668
00:37:41,217 --> 00:37:43,511
Even the people that say,
"Okay, so he's bad,"
669
00:37:43,594 --> 00:37:45,554
but then, like,
"The way you did things is bad,"
670
00:37:45,638 --> 00:37:47,932
and "Why did you
have to destroy the tech?"
671
00:37:48,015 --> 00:37:50,226
They are so angry
at us for what we did.
672
00:37:50,309 --> 00:37:53,562
Usually, an individual
will leave an existing group,
673
00:37:53,646 --> 00:37:55,231
they'll figure it out
and walk away,
674
00:37:55,314 --> 00:37:57,733
get help, support,
but when the thing
675
00:37:57,817 --> 00:37:59,277
crumbles around you,
676
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,613
these people didn't make
the choice necessary to leave,
677
00:38:02,697 --> 00:38:04,740
and the philosophy
or the teaching
678
00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:06,701
that people
are still clinging to
679
00:38:06,784 --> 00:38:08,327
is higher than everything.
680
00:38:08,411 --> 00:38:10,705
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
681
00:38:10,788 --> 00:38:12,164
They're not mad at you.
682
00:38:12,248 --> 00:38:14,583
They're mad because
their world is crumbling.
683
00:38:14,667 --> 00:38:17,545
And so all they can do
is "us" and "them."
684
00:38:17,628 --> 00:38:19,839
-MARK: Right.
-Because that's one
of the main components
685
00:38:19,922 --> 00:38:21,924
of these intense groups,
686
00:38:22,008 --> 00:38:24,010
is that there's always a "them"
and an "us."
687
00:38:26,137 --> 00:38:27,847
So there has to be a crack.
688
00:38:27,930 --> 00:38:31,392
And then they start thinking,
"Oh, I see."
689
00:38:31,475 --> 00:38:33,936
And all of a sudden,
things start making sense.
690
00:38:36,022 --> 00:38:37,898
(BIRDS CHIRPING)
691
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,362
MARK:
In order to free everybody,
692
00:38:43,446 --> 00:38:46,282
everything had to be burnt.
And that was hard.
693
00:38:46,365 --> 00:38:49,535
If you hadn't taken the attitude
that you had to kill the king,
694
00:38:49,618 --> 00:38:50,995
you wouldn't have gotten me out.
695
00:38:51,078 --> 00:38:55,583
You needed it to be that big
for someone that had been...
696
00:38:55,666 --> 00:38:58,794
gaslighted as long as I had
to be able to get out.
697
00:38:59,962 --> 00:39:02,298
I mean, I was working
toward it, but I'm already 60,
698
00:39:02,381 --> 00:39:04,467
I would've been 80
before I actually made it out.
699
00:39:07,845 --> 00:39:11,807
KEITH: I've known Karen
almost 30 years.
700
00:39:11,891 --> 00:39:14,310
All these people, women,
whatever,
701
00:39:14,393 --> 00:39:15,853
that I interrelate with,
702
00:39:15,936 --> 00:39:17,897
why is it that I can
have a relationship
703
00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:20,733
with multiple women
for a long time?
704
00:39:22,318 --> 00:39:23,569
They stay.
705
00:39:23,652 --> 00:39:25,529
There are a lot who left,
but more who stay.
706
00:39:27,698 --> 00:39:28,824
Well, why are you here?
707
00:39:53,974 --> 00:39:55,476
MARK: So you meet him
when you were 18?
708
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:58,479
-Mm-hmm.
-MARK: And like--
709
00:39:58,562 --> 00:40:01,565
-KAREN: Week after
my father died.
-Week after your father died.
710
00:40:01,649 --> 00:40:03,067
I didn't know that.
711
00:40:03,150 --> 00:40:04,944
-BONNIE: And he knew
how to use that.
-That's how he spotted me.
712
00:40:05,027 --> 00:40:06,362
He knew
there was something wrong.
713
00:40:06,445 --> 00:40:10,157
MARK: Oh. And then you guys
became thick as thieves.
714
00:40:10,241 --> 00:40:11,700
Yeah, very quickly.
715
00:40:13,577 --> 00:40:18,124
KAREN: I came to Keith with
the belief that I was defective.
716
00:40:18,207 --> 00:40:21,710
And he just enhanced
and utilized the belief.
717
00:40:24,213 --> 00:40:25,631
He helped you believe
718
00:40:25,714 --> 00:40:27,091
that you couldn't survive
without him.
719
00:40:30,553 --> 00:40:33,931
I did meet his mom.
She was very eccentric.
720
00:40:35,307 --> 00:40:38,936
He did talk about how
she was manipulative with him.
721
00:40:39,019 --> 00:40:41,147
And Keith said
she would make herself sick
722
00:40:41,230 --> 00:40:43,232
to punish him,
which is the very thing
723
00:40:43,315 --> 00:40:44,358
he would claim
724
00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:46,152
we were doing to him,
you know.
725
00:40:47,653 --> 00:40:48,654
He would make himself sick
726
00:40:48,737 --> 00:40:50,906
to get us to stop
asking him questions.
727
00:40:52,825 --> 00:40:55,202
His mom's up in
that orange thing up above.
728
00:40:55,286 --> 00:40:56,495
That's one of the things
I forgot--
729
00:40:56,579 --> 00:40:58,330
-MARK: Which orange thing?
-See on top of my shelf.
730
00:40:58,414 --> 00:41:00,166
-In there is a canister.
-MARK: She's in there?
731
00:41:00,249 --> 00:41:01,292
Can I see that?
732
00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:07,590
I think that's Cuddles,
733
00:41:07,673 --> 00:41:10,050
-the cat. His cat.
-That's his cat?
734
00:41:10,134 --> 00:41:11,552
KAREN: And this is Vera.
735
00:41:11,635 --> 00:41:13,762
-MARK: What the fuck?
-KAREN: Vera Raniere.
736
00:41:13,846 --> 00:41:16,390
This is his mother.
737
00:41:16,473 --> 00:41:19,059
But it's been up there
for 20 years, or 30 years,
738
00:41:19,143 --> 00:41:20,769
I completely forgot about it.
739
00:41:22,062 --> 00:41:23,314
Oh, I have something else.
740
00:41:25,232 --> 00:41:26,817
KAREN:
So, this is a cleaned-up version
741
00:41:26,901 --> 00:41:27,943
of a list we were keeping
742
00:41:28,027 --> 00:41:30,321
of who's in, who's out,
and who we don't know.
743
00:41:30,404 --> 00:41:33,324
We were concerned about people
doing something to our database
744
00:41:33,407 --> 00:41:35,201
or something else.
745
00:41:35,284 --> 00:41:36,368
MARK: So it was what we thought,
746
00:41:36,452 --> 00:41:39,788
which is everybody's just
spying on everybody.
747
00:41:39,872 --> 00:41:41,749
KAREN: And we did report
everything to Keith.
748
00:41:41,832 --> 00:41:45,753
I would tell Keith things
that I had found out.
749
00:41:45,836 --> 00:41:49,423
Remembering that I helped
build this spreadsheet
750
00:41:49,506 --> 00:41:50,758
about people leaving.
751
00:41:51,675 --> 00:41:53,302
I have more empathy
752
00:41:53,385 --> 00:41:55,012
for the people
that are still in.
753
00:41:57,223 --> 00:41:58,224
(CAT PURRS)
754
00:41:58,307 --> 00:42:00,768
I see people that are still
following Keith
755
00:42:00,851 --> 00:42:03,103
and I feel that pull
to want to just go like...
756
00:42:03,187 --> 00:42:04,271
"Wake up!
757
00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:07,483
This is... No, it's not
what you thought it was."
758
00:42:08,984 --> 00:42:11,528
Once the truth
about DOS came out,
759
00:42:11,612 --> 00:42:14,615
someone I knew shared with me
that she had been approached
760
00:42:14,698 --> 00:42:16,951
to get into DOS
and had at the time
761
00:42:17,034 --> 00:42:19,078
gone to Nancy
and told her about it.
762
00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:22,748
So, Nancy had some idea
of something.
763
00:42:23,832 --> 00:42:25,668
Like, Nancy knew all of this.
764
00:42:25,751 --> 00:42:29,421
I don't know how much she knew
because what she was telling me
765
00:42:29,505 --> 00:42:32,258
kept changing.
Keith gave her some...
766
00:42:32,341 --> 00:42:35,010
"Oh, it's just some girls
doing some things" explanation,
767
00:42:35,094 --> 00:42:37,137
and I don't think
she questioned things
768
00:42:37,221 --> 00:42:39,640
as much as some of us did.
769
00:42:39,723 --> 00:42:41,850
-For her he was a mentor...
-MARK: Hmm.
770
00:42:43,602 --> 00:42:45,354
and a god in some ways.
771
00:42:48,607 --> 00:42:51,026
(TRAIN RATTLING)
772
00:42:52,861 --> 00:42:54,571
-(CAR HONKS)
-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
773
00:42:56,532 --> 00:42:59,034
REPORTER 1: It's an update
on the NXIVM case.
774
00:42:59,118 --> 00:43:01,620
REPORTER 2: Keith Raniere
and Nancy Salzman will be joined
775
00:43:01,704 --> 00:43:04,331
by other co-defendants
today in Brooklyn court.
776
00:43:05,916 --> 00:43:07,835
REPORTER 3: This is
the first time we're seeing
777
00:43:07,918 --> 00:43:09,837
what's being called
NXIVM's "inner circle"
778
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,798
in a room all together
since this all began.
779
00:43:17,094 --> 00:43:19,680
MOIRA: For the first time
at the defense table,
780
00:43:19,763 --> 00:43:23,017
it was Keith Raniere
and the other defendants.
781
00:43:24,935 --> 00:43:27,938
They had so many lawyers
on the other side,
782
00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:30,316
and you had Marc Agnifilo
783
00:43:30,399 --> 00:43:33,444
saying, "I'm speaking
with one voice."
784
00:43:35,571 --> 00:43:38,157
Loyalty among the inner circle
785
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:41,493
might be
an additional challenge,
786
00:43:41,577 --> 00:43:44,663
but this type of loyalty
is not something
787
00:43:44,747 --> 00:43:48,625
that is foreign to other
criminal organizations.
788
00:43:50,669 --> 00:43:53,130
When you have
this understanding
789
00:43:53,213 --> 00:43:58,302
that it's us against the world,
us against other people
790
00:43:58,385 --> 00:44:00,679
who are trying to harm us.
791
00:44:01,722 --> 00:44:04,975
That is a very
powerful motivator.
792
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,771
This level of loyalty
might be something
793
00:44:08,854 --> 00:44:12,900
that I am never able
to cut through.
794
00:44:14,276 --> 00:44:18,947
Some of these women may have
made a lifetime commitment.
795
00:44:41,595 --> 00:44:42,596
Yeah.
796
00:44:52,773 --> 00:44:53,774
Hmm.
797
00:44:56,985 --> 00:44:57,986
So.
798
00:45:30,853 --> 00:45:31,854
(SOBS)
799
00:45:42,072 --> 00:45:45,159
(RADIO STATIC)
800
00:45:45,242 --> 00:45:48,287
I'd like to destroy the concept
of destruction of value,
801
00:45:48,370 --> 00:45:49,872
and I'd like you to consider...
802
00:45:49,955 --> 00:45:52,791
-CREW MEMBER 1:
You'd like to destroy?
-(LAUGHS) Did I just say that?
803
00:45:52,875 --> 00:45:54,376
CREW MEMBER 2: Okay,
it's ten more minutes.
804
00:45:54,460 --> 00:45:56,170
Don't lose it on us now.
805
00:45:56,253 --> 00:45:59,756
-Did I say I'd like to destroy
the concepts? (CHUCKLES)
-CREW: Yes!
806
00:46:00,799 --> 00:46:05,512
I think it was a Freudian slip.
(LAUGHS)
807
00:46:05,596 --> 00:46:08,765
KEITH: Nancy, initially,
Nancy was replaceable.
808
00:46:08,849 --> 00:46:10,893
We could've partnered
with Anthony Robbins
809
00:46:10,976 --> 00:46:11,977
and other people,
810
00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:13,437
and I didn't feel
they were appropriate.
811
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,772
Personality-wise
and things like that.
812
00:46:17,065 --> 00:46:20,652
(LAUGHS) It just-- I feel like
my mouth just isn't working.
813
00:46:20,736 --> 00:46:22,112
KEITH: She was a good student,
814
00:46:22,196 --> 00:46:23,947
and she was willing
to learn the stuff.
815
00:46:24,031 --> 00:46:25,491
Number of disintegrations...
816
00:46:25,574 --> 00:46:27,493
-KEITH: And she practiced
diligently.
-And we have what's called
817
00:46:27,576 --> 00:46:28,785
an inner deficiency.
818
00:46:28,869 --> 00:46:31,038
Anger is fear, but it's hidden.
819
00:46:31,121 --> 00:46:32,247
What is self-esteem?
820
00:46:32,331 --> 00:46:33,707
KEITH:
'Cause I'd give her one thing
821
00:46:33,790 --> 00:46:36,001
and she'd go and she'd work it
and practice it, practice it.
822
00:46:36,084 --> 00:46:38,837
You can even draw the diagram
that I draw of the world.
823
00:46:38,921 --> 00:46:41,048
What are the problems
that exist in the world?
824
00:46:41,131 --> 00:46:42,257
-Strave.
-NANCY: Hunger.
825
00:46:42,341 --> 00:46:45,052
-This is starve.
-Okay, what else.
826
00:46:45,135 --> 00:46:47,387
-The whales.
-NANCY: The whales, of course.
827
00:46:47,471 --> 00:46:49,681
The problem's right here,
blow it up.
828
00:46:49,765 --> 00:46:53,393
-(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
-NANCY: How's that?
829
00:46:53,477 --> 00:46:56,897
I take every chance I can
to shadow Nancy Salzman.
830
00:46:56,980 --> 00:46:58,815
You represent
such a warrior woman.
831
00:46:58,899 --> 00:47:02,486
And we follow behind you,
bravely carrying our flag.
832
00:47:03,487 --> 00:47:04,530
GROUP:
833
00:47:08,617 --> 00:47:10,494
(APPLAUSE)
834
00:47:10,577 --> 00:47:12,871
KEITH: So now,
Nancy's not replaceable.
835
00:47:13,789 --> 00:47:15,499
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
836
00:47:15,582 --> 00:47:17,292
(AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING)
837
00:47:17,376 --> 00:47:18,418
Thank you.
838
00:47:19,628 --> 00:47:20,921
KEITH: And ultimately
that's my goal,
839
00:47:21,004 --> 00:47:23,590
to create a thousand Nancys
in the world.
840
00:47:25,551 --> 00:47:28,720
NANCY: What would happen
if each of my secrets came out?
841
00:47:29,972 --> 00:47:32,599
The upside of letting go
of your secrets
842
00:47:32,683 --> 00:47:36,061
is that you will have
a lot more freedom.
843
00:47:36,144 --> 00:47:41,066
The downside of your secrets
coming out is punishment.
844
00:47:41,149 --> 00:47:44,111
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
845
00:47:44,194 --> 00:47:46,029
REPORTER 1: Huge developments
in the NXIVM case.
846
00:47:48,282 --> 00:47:50,033
REPORTER 2: Nancy Salzman
pleading guilty
847
00:47:50,117 --> 00:47:52,411
to one count
of racketeering conspiracy
848
00:47:52,494 --> 00:47:54,037
in Brooklyn federal court.
849
00:47:54,121 --> 00:47:56,373
REPORTER 3: Up to this point,
it seems that there was a unity
850
00:47:56,456 --> 00:47:57,958
between all
of these defendants,
851
00:47:58,041 --> 00:48:00,252
but now that you've got
the first guilty plea,
852
00:48:00,335 --> 00:48:03,463
you start to see the divide
and kind of the cracks.
853
00:48:10,846 --> 00:48:13,849
SARAH: My first reaction
to Nancy pleading guilty
854
00:48:13,932 --> 00:48:16,351
is like that's the beginning
of the dominos falling.
855
00:48:16,435 --> 00:48:17,853
(REPORTERS CLAMORING)
856
00:48:17,936 --> 00:48:19,730
The fact that
the Prefect did this.
857
00:48:23,859 --> 00:48:26,278
BARBARA: (INHALES) Oh, wow.
858
00:48:26,361 --> 00:48:28,864
-(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK)
-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
859
00:48:28,947 --> 00:48:30,782
MARK: I wonder
if she's really waking up,
860
00:48:30,866 --> 00:48:33,952
or just trying to save herself
and her daughter.
861
00:48:37,372 --> 00:48:39,249
(DRUMS BEATING)
862
00:48:48,258 --> 00:48:50,177
MARC: I met Nancy many,
many times.
863
00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:52,346
-She's really a special person.
-(INDISTINCT TRAIN ANNOUNCEMENT)
864
00:48:52,429 --> 00:48:55,265
MARC: You know, a sweet woman,
a smart woman.
865
00:48:57,517 --> 00:48:58,769
It's a sad thing.
866
00:49:00,270 --> 00:49:02,439
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
867
00:49:02,522 --> 00:49:05,150
AUTOMATED VOICE 1: ...an inmate
at a federal prison.
868
00:49:05,233 --> 00:49:06,401
AUTOMATED VOICE 2:
Raniere.
869
00:49:06,485 --> 00:49:07,944
(PHONE BEEPS)
870
00:49:43,647 --> 00:49:45,649
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
871
00:49:47,776 --> 00:49:50,696
MARC: We had a long talk
about Nancy's plea.
872
00:49:50,779 --> 00:49:53,031
You know, he's taking
that kinda hard.
873
00:49:53,115 --> 00:49:56,326
He takes it as almost as, like,
the death of a family member.
874
00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:58,954
Something that's really ripping
his world apart.
875
00:50:00,747 --> 00:50:04,167
And he thinks it's a world
that's worth preserving.
876
00:50:04,251 --> 00:50:06,253
And I think
he is really grieving the fact
877
00:50:06,336 --> 00:50:07,921
that it's all coming to an end.
878
00:50:09,548 --> 00:50:10,966
And he is wondering
if other people
879
00:50:11,049 --> 00:50:13,468
are going to plea, and I said,
you know, "I really don't know."
880
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:21,017
REPORTER 1: New updates
in the case against the
881
00:50:21,101 --> 00:50:22,936
the alleged cult NXIVM.
882
00:50:23,019 --> 00:50:23,979
REPORTER 2: Lauren Salzman
883
00:50:24,062 --> 00:50:26,231
now pleading guilty
to two counts,
884
00:50:26,314 --> 00:50:29,151
racketeering conspiracy
and racketeering.
885
00:50:29,234 --> 00:50:31,236
REPORTER 3: Part of
Lauren Salzman's plea
886
00:50:31,319 --> 00:50:32,487
was redacted.
887
00:50:32,571 --> 00:50:35,240
There is a suggestion that
she very well could testify
888
00:50:35,323 --> 00:50:36,533
at the trial.
889
00:50:38,201 --> 00:50:39,161
EMILY: To plead guilty
890
00:50:39,244 --> 00:50:40,579
and to decide
to leave somebody behind
891
00:50:40,662 --> 00:50:42,622
and not proceed to trial
with them, I think is--
892
00:50:42,706 --> 00:50:44,583
just must be a very
difficult decision.
893
00:50:44,666 --> 00:50:46,835
It just makes for high drama
in the courtroom.
894
00:50:46,918 --> 00:50:49,254
I think they all thought
they would go to trial together.
895
00:50:49,337 --> 00:50:51,631
-(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS)
-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
896
00:50:51,715 --> 00:50:52,966
REPORTER 1: Allison Mack cracks.
897
00:50:53,049 --> 00:50:54,634
REPORTER 2:
Mack tearfully confessing
898
00:50:54,718 --> 00:50:56,052
in a Brooklyn federal court.
899
00:50:56,136 --> 00:50:58,013
REPORTER 3:
Did she agree to testify
900
00:50:58,096 --> 00:51:00,140
against Keith Raniere
or Clare Bronfman?
901
00:51:00,223 --> 00:51:02,225
REPORTER 4: Mack will be
the third defendant
902
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:04,102
to plead guilty
ahead of the trial.
903
00:51:04,186 --> 00:51:07,439
She faces a maximum
of 40 years in prison.
904
00:51:07,522 --> 00:51:09,274
Any comment, why do you think
you were misguided
905
00:51:09,357 --> 00:51:10,692
by Raniere?
906
00:51:12,611 --> 00:51:15,238
REPORTER 5: In the next hour,
we expect to hear guilty pleas
907
00:51:15,322 --> 00:51:16,615
from the heiress
to Seagram's Liquor,
908
00:51:16,698 --> 00:51:18,408
39-year-old Clare Bronfman.
909
00:51:18,492 --> 00:51:19,785
She's charged
with money laundering
910
00:51:19,868 --> 00:51:20,952
and identity theft.
911
00:51:21,036 --> 00:51:24,289
Oh, that might... Is that Clare?
912
00:51:24,372 --> 00:51:26,124
I think that's the other Clare.
913
00:51:26,208 --> 00:51:27,292
Okay, let's go.
914
00:51:33,131 --> 00:51:34,257
Sorry.
915
00:51:35,675 --> 00:51:37,177
Good morning, how are you?
916
00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:38,261
All right.
917
00:51:38,345 --> 00:51:39,846
I will give you some time
with your client.
918
00:51:39,930 --> 00:51:41,014
LAWYER: Thank you.
919
00:51:41,097 --> 00:51:42,557
REPORTER 6: Seagram's heiress,
Clare Bronfman,
920
00:51:42,641 --> 00:51:43,683
admitted to charges,
921
00:51:43,767 --> 00:51:46,770
leaving just
the secretive group's leader.
922
00:51:46,853 --> 00:51:48,438
REPORTER 7: Keith Raniere
will no longer
923
00:51:48,522 --> 00:51:50,023
have his inner circle
924
00:51:50,106 --> 00:51:53,193
sitting beside him
as he faces his trial.
925
00:51:55,028 --> 00:51:57,989
MOIRA: Once one person
had pleaded guilty,
926
00:51:58,073 --> 00:52:00,534
it did change the dynamic.
927
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,874
The question is,
will they cooperate
928
00:52:07,958 --> 00:52:12,629
with the government
and turn against Keith?
929
00:52:15,340 --> 00:52:18,844
BARBARA: Keith, I can
rationalize that he's crazy,
930
00:52:18,927 --> 00:52:21,346
maybe a psychopath,
931
00:52:21,429 --> 00:52:24,015
but Nancy wasn't crazy.
932
00:52:25,892 --> 00:52:26,935
Honestly...
933
00:52:28,311 --> 00:52:31,439
she puzzles me more than Keith.
934
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,534
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
935
00:52:52,878 --> 00:52:55,422
REPORTER 1: FBI crews raid
a home in Waterford
936
00:52:55,505 --> 00:52:58,091
with apparent connections
to the alleged cult.
937
00:52:58,174 --> 00:52:59,342
(SIRENS WAILING)
938
00:52:59,426 --> 00:53:02,053
REPORTER 2: The FBI raiding
the home Nancy Salzman,
939
00:53:02,137 --> 00:53:04,264
who helped co-found NXIVM.
940
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:09,144
NANCY: You have 12 FBI agents
raid your house for 11 hours.
941
00:53:15,483 --> 00:53:17,944
And then you get arrested
and put in a cell.
942
00:53:21,698 --> 00:53:25,744
You feel like you must have
done something wrong,
943
00:53:25,827 --> 00:53:28,580
because how else does something
like this happen to you?
944
00:53:36,004 --> 00:53:39,299
The world is left
with this view of you,
945
00:53:39,382 --> 00:53:40,926
that you know isn't you.
946
00:53:44,554 --> 00:53:46,973
Or how could it have been?
947
00:54:02,697 --> 00:54:05,283
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
948
00:54:06,409 --> 00:54:07,953
♪ ("BEHIND HER SMILE"
BY BETSY PLAYING) ♪
949
00:54:08,036 --> 00:54:12,415
♪ In the window, there's a girl
She screams to the gods above ♪
950
00:54:12,499 --> 00:54:17,003
♪ She begs please
To be released ♪
951
00:54:17,087 --> 00:54:20,507
♪ But she's just left
Shouting louder ♪
952
00:54:22,258 --> 00:54:26,137
♪ Maybe she knows
That life is a joke ♪
953
00:54:26,221 --> 00:54:29,391
♪ So she spins like
A whirling dervish ♪
954
00:54:29,474 --> 00:54:31,977
♪ For love
In a stranger's eyes ♪
955
00:54:33,103 --> 00:54:36,564
♪ She drinks till
The morning light ♪
956
00:54:36,648 --> 00:54:41,444
♪ 'Cause behind her smile
There's a clown and he laughs ♪
957
00:54:41,528 --> 00:54:44,489
♪ With an evil
That swallows you whole ♪
958
00:54:44,572 --> 00:54:47,993
♪ Making fun of her every day ♪
959
00:54:48,076 --> 00:54:50,829
♪ But there's nowhere
To run away ♪
960
00:54:52,122 --> 00:54:54,332
♪ Behind her smile ♪
961
00:54:54,416 --> 00:54:56,626
♪ There's a demon
Who'll dance ♪
962
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:59,629
♪ On the pieces left
Of her soul ♪
963
00:54:59,713 --> 00:55:02,674
♪ Keeps reminding
Her every day ♪
964
00:55:03,883 --> 00:55:07,387
♪ That it'll always
Be this way ♪
965
00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:09,556
♪ She turns on the taps ♪
966
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:13,351
♪ And wonders
How to drown herself today ♪
967
00:55:13,435 --> 00:55:17,022
♪ Wonders if she'll
Make it out okay ♪
968
00:55:17,105 --> 00:55:20,942
♪ Hopes that
The cold will soon be over ♪
969
00:55:26,281 --> 00:55:28,491
♪ ("BEHIND HER SMILE"
CONCLUDES) ♪