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KEITH RANIERE: You should
assume that everything
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I'm gonna tell you
is secret for now.
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And I want you guys
to come up with a plan
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of how to implement this stuff.
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Just imagine someone that
you really, really care for,
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your best friend or a child
or whatever, become delusional
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and start hurting people
or whatever.
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What is the procedure
you would use with them?
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Exile.
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We're not out to punish them.
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We are out to rehabilitate them
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or stop them
from damaging others
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because of their illness.
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So you exile them to some place
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in the hopes
that they will come around.
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Maybe you exile them
for an amount of time
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or forever.
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And it's a type of shunning.
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It's the, uh, ultimate shunning
so to speak.
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♪ ("DREAM STATE"
FT. BONNIE PIESSE
BY SON LUX PLAYING) ♪
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♪ Days we were young ♪
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♪ We took photographs
of everything we could see ♪
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♪ We had to run from it ♪
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♪ Priest and prophetess
We were ♪
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♪ Nothing we would defy ♪
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♪ Oh! Invisible skin ♪
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♪ Where is the world within? ♪
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♪ Invincible skin
It's how we all begin ♪
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♪ ("DREAM STATE" CONCLUDES) ♪
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♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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(SIREN WAILING DISTANTLY)
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REPORTER 1:
An update as the NXIVM trial
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continues in federal court.
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The woman allegedly
kept confined to a room
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is expected to be
on the stand today.
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REPORTER 2: (IN SPANISH)
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REPORTER 3: This witness
says that she and her family
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traveled to the United States
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specifically to take
NXIVM courses.
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But she says,
instead of being taught
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self-improvement,
she was broken.
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(GAVEL BANGING)
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(DOOR OPENS, CLOSES)
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MOIRA PENZA: When I think
about the crimes
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that were being committed,
some of the most serious
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related to the imprisonment
of Daniela.
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I thought it would
also be very impactful
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to the jury as they learned
about this family
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and the way it was
systematically destroyed.
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-MOIRA: Good morning, Daniela.
-DANIELA: Good morning.
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How do you describe
your childhood?
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DANIELA: My childhood
was idyllic.
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We grew up in a relatively
abundant financial setting.
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My family was like
the center of gravity.
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I felt safe.
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I had a very good relationship
with my parents.
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And my elder sister, Marianna,
was my best friend.
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They used to joke
about our family,
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saying that we were
like the Flanders
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in The Simpsons
because we got along so well.
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It was a pretty wonderful way
to grow up.
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MOIRA: Can you provide
the first names of the members
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of your immediate family?
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DANIELA: My father is Hector.
My mother, Adriana.
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My elder sister, Marianna.
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My little brother, Adrian.
And my baby sister, Camila.
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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NANCY SALZMAN: I remember
that the parents
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took the training in Mexico
and then came to Albany.
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Keith had a very private
relationship with the parents.
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And they were very close.
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KEITH: No, no, no.
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NANCY: They saw Keith
as a mentor, a teacher, a guru
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who you put ultimate faith in
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and trust more than
you trust yourself.
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(ADRIANA LAUGHS)
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-This...
-(ADRIANA LAUGHS)
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In Mexico,
a lot of powerful families
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were connected to NXIVM
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and Daniela's mother
and father were convinced
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that Keith Raniere
and the NXIVM community
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were good.
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And that they would be good
for their children.
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MOIRA: Daniela, when did you
first become involved in NXIVM?
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DANIELA: In 2002,
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during my second semester
of high school.
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At that time,
I was preparing to go
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to an elite school
in Switzerland.
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I was being granted
the only scholarship
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that they gave out that year.
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As a parting gift
before I went to school,
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my parents enrolled me
into a 16-Day Intensive.
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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NANCY: Hector and Adriana
brought Dani and Marianna.
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-KEITH: Bye.
-(KISSING)
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NANCY: And then,
they went back to Mexico.
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ADRIANA: Aw, Keith.
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-Soon?
-Yeah.
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-Pronto. Soon.
-Yeah.
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NANCY: But Dani and Marianna
were left behind.
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(SMOOCHES)
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-Have fun. Bye. (LAUGHS)
-(ADRIANA LAUGHS)
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NANCY: Pam and Keith
must have appeared
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to be a couple to them.
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We all believed
Pam was like a saint.
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She gave Keith credibility.
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BARBARA BOUCHEY:
So here they are...
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these young teenage girls.
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I remember the day that
their parents dropped them off
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on NXIVM's door stoop.
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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BARBARA: Suddenly Marianna
is hooked at the hip with Pam.
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She's getting a little bit
out of hand.
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(LAUGHS) What's gonna happen
when your mommy comes?
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You've changed mamas.
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BARBARA: Pam was like,
"Well, you know,
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she's my little sister.
I'm taking her under my wing."
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I'm like, "Okay."
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(LAUGHS)
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BARBARA: It was puzzling.
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Are you guys coming back
to Flintlock?
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NANCY: And then the next thing
I knew,
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Dani started to hang out
with Keith.
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♪ (ROCK SONG PLAYING) ♪
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This is more
of a dissonant version.
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First cymbals.
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♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
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NANCY: Dani and Marianna
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and Pam and Keith
had their special relationship.
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They were like a family.
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Everybody who had
a close relationship with Keith
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was jealous of at least
one of the daughters.
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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NANCY: Because they saw
that there was like
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this really special relationship
with that family.
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-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
-(CHEERS)
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MARIANNA: Very subtle.
Very subtle.
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I'll take a bite.
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-There's an interesting problem.
-DANIELA: Mm-hmm.
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KEITH: Think about this, Dani.
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If there's someone in the woods
and they know
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that they are exactly one mile
from the edge of the woods,
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they just don't know
what direction.
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What is the optimal path
for them to travel...
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to be able to get
out of the woods?
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And in particular,
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what is the longest distance
they will have to travel
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before they ultimately
find their way out of the woods?
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KEITH: Right.
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DANIELA: I remember
in the early days,
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Keith sounding perfectly.
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He gave me a brain teaser
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and I gave him the answer
right away.
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He seemed very pleased.
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He said, "Don't go to school,
I will teach you."
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MOIRA: And how old were you
at that point?
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DANIELA: I was 16.
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She was so brilliant.
She's so curious.
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She's so engaged.
She has so much potential.
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She had this scholarship
to study in Switzerland.
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But ultimately, she doesn't go.
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KEITH: Uh-uh.
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I have...
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NANCY: He told me
that Dani was brilliant.
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Like a Mega Society brilliant.
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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NANCY: And so what Keith
wanted her to do
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was follow him around
with a video camera.
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KEITH: Dani, the camera woman.
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NANCY: He wanted his life
documented
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because future generations
would want access to it.
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The best movie...
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is where the audience walks away
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thinking they know
the character.
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And that'd be a valuable thing
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'cause if people came to know
how I worked in the world,
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well, you know, a lot
of the rumors wouldn't be true.
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They don't seem to catch
any of my humanity or my humor,
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but they don't seem to catch
any of my abilities, either.
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What do you think, Dani?
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But, like, you don't have me
jumping over... someone.
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(DANIELA LAUGHS)
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(GRUNTS)
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How did I look
going over people?
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He wanted everything videoed.
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(LAUGHS)
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DANIELA: I like the way
you opened that cereal, Keith.
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KEITH: Yeah?
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DANIELA: The rest of the world
will appreciate it as well.
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DANIELA: No. No, never.
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Keith was always saying,
"If anybody ever scrutinizes us,
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they'll see the videos
and they'll know
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we didn't do anything wrong."
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Be good
if you had several cameras.
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-You know what I mean?
-DANIELA: Mm-hmm.
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MARK VICENTE: Is that any good?
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-Is that one?
-MARK: Have you read that one?
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No, I haven't read it. I know
about that particular book.
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Some of these books I know about
and some of them I've read.
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MARK: Daniela was working
for Raniere.
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So basically,
he would have her read
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incredibly complex books
on science
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and give him abridged versions
of what the books were about.
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And she was pretty smart,
so she could do it.
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MOIRA: Did you ever get paid
for the book reports?
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DANIELA: No. Because I was there
on a visitor's visa.
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They couldn't figure out
how to pay me.
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I had no structure, no job,
and no legal way to make money.
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MOIRA: Did there come a time
when you took money
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from the office?
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DANIELA: Yes. About a year
into my time at NXIVM,
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I stole six thousand dollars
from the admin office.
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It was a stupid,
impulsive decision
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and I felt terrible about it.
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So I put the money back
right away,
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but the feeling of guilt
consumed me.
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Daniela makes the mistake
of confessing this
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to Keith Raniere.
Keith Raniere tells her,
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"Okay, I'm going to have
to tell Nancy Salzman."
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NANCY: Most of my beliefs
about people in the organization
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were colored by the things
Keith told me.
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And so he caused me
not to like her.
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Or, you know, to have feelings
about her, like she was sneaky.
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And then he told me other things
where she was problematic.
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MOIRA: How did your relationship
with the defendant change?
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DANIELA: At the time,
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it felt like everyone thought
I was bad.
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And he didn't adopt that stance.
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He kept being my friend.
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(CROWD APPLAUDING)
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DANIELA:
I became closer to him.
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I remember one day,
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we were in the room
next to Prefect's office.
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The door was closed.
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I was telling him how my parents
were getting a divorce.
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And then,
in the middle of sharing this,
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he moved closer and kissed me.
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MOIRA: Did the defendant
say anything?
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DANIELA: He asked me if I liked
that he had done that.
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MOIRA: What did you say?
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DANIELA: I said, "Yes."
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But, I mean, the truth is,
I had never been kissed
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or had any type
of sexual contact.
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When I got home, I received
a phone call from Keith.
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He said, "I think it's better
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if you don't tell anybody
about our kiss.
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I think that should stay
between us."
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And I complied.
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But I look back,
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I think I could have changed
the course of history
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if I had told my mother.
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I mean, I don't think
she would have been
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very happy to hear
that a 40-year-old man
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had kissed
her 17-year-old daughter.
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Vanguard or not.
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MOIRA: After that night,
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did the nature
of the conversations progress?
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DANIELA: Yes.
They escalated in a sexual way.
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One night, there was, like,
open flirting going on.
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(GRUNTS)
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But I was extremely shy,
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so it took a lot of prodding
on his part
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to really move the conversation
forward in that way.
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But he'd also say,
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"We can't have sex
because you're too young."
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And so, he'd basically tell me
about his sex life.
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MOIRA: So then,
was your 18th birthday
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something that was being
built up to?
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DANIELA: Yes. In fact,
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there was a particular
conversation that happened
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maybe a month or so before.
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We were at volleyball.
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He said,
"Your birthday is coming up.
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What do you want
for your birthday?"
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And in my mind,
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the clear answer was,
"I want sex."
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But I was still too shy
to say that.
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So he said, "Well,
if you're too shy to say it,
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why don't you just write it
on the palm of my hand?"
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So with my hand
I spelled out S-E-X.
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I remember
feeling very insecure.
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He said, "Is there something
that you're insecure about?"
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I told him I was insecure
about my body. That I felt fat.
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And he said
I needed to lose weight.
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That when a woman
was overweight,
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it interrupted the energy.
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So he couldn't share
his sexual energy
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with somebody like that.
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I felt rejected.
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But then, he called me
a few days later
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and he said it was time.
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He told me to meet him
at the office
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of an old business he had.
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(HEARTBEAT)
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MOIRA: What happened
when you got there?
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DANIELA: He led me to this room
that had a dim light,
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so I couldn't see very well.
There were stacks of boxes
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and on the floor, there was
an old dirty mattress
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that had, like,
raggy, used sheets on it.
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-(VIDEO CAMERA BEEPS)
-(HEARTBEAT)
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DANIELA: He asked me
to take my clothes off
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and lay down, so I did.
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Then, he too started doing
oral sex on me.
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(HEARTBEAT SPEEDS UP)
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DANIELA: Eventually,
he took off his clothes
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and he climbed on top of me
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for a little while
and gave me a long hug.
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And then, he just got up,
got dressed,
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and I drove him home.
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(CAR ENGINE STARTING)
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-(EMILY SAUL GROANS, SIGHS)
-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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EMILY: Daniela, she was young
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and with a man
who was in his forties.
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Raniere is someone
that she adores.
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Possibly worships.
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Like the power dynamic
is so messed up.
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You already have someone
who is incredibly impressionable
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and then she's humiliated
for making that request
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for sex for her 18th birthday.
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Which she is confused
about wanting
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and can't consult anyone about
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because she is young
and she is alone in Albany
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with all of these--
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Where no one's supervising
Raniere,
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where there are no ethical
checks on Raniere.
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These are the first
sexual encounters.
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This is the foundation
upon which she, like,
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understands sex
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and sex as it relates
to relationships.
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MOIRA: After you began
having sex with the defendant,
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what changed?
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DANIELA: My entire life changed.
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I mean, I had
full access to Keith
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and I became part
of the inner circle.
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I was literally spending
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00:18:22,476 --> 00:18:24,686
all my waking moments
in Flintlock.
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(CHUCKLES)
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MOIRA: Flintlock was a place
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that was almost
exclusively accessed
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by members of the inner circle.
And specifically, mostly people
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who were
in a sexual relationship
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with Keith Raniere
or had been in the past.
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(DANIELA GIGGLES)
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KEITH: Now it's f--
DANIELA:
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(DANIELA CHUCKLES)
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DANIELA:
Every time we were alone,
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00:19:12,109 --> 00:19:14,528
my role was to give him
oral sex.
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00:19:18,740 --> 00:19:21,577
(SIREN WAILING DISTANTLY)
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My mind is racing
as I am listening to this,
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because, you know, I'm having
flashbacks of memories
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00:19:30,836 --> 00:19:32,963
in Flintlock and around and--
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00:19:33,046 --> 00:19:36,425
You know, I've learned
about three women just this week
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00:19:36,508 --> 00:19:38,635
that Keith had
sexual relationships with
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during the time I was there,
that I didn't know about.
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00:19:42,848 --> 00:19:45,058
One of them was Lauren,
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and now I just learned
about Daniela.
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00:19:49,521 --> 00:19:52,024
The jurors have to understand
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this is a very clever,
masterful,
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artful manipulation of people,
and it's a chess game
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00:19:59,907 --> 00:20:01,575
and he's been playing it
for years.
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00:20:01,658 --> 00:20:04,661
And to him, we're just pawns
on that chess board.
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00:20:04,745 --> 00:20:08,665
So Daniela had a value
he wanted to extract.
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00:20:08,749 --> 00:20:11,126
(CLEARS THROAT)
And the way to extract that
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is by having
an intimate sexual connection.
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00:20:14,713 --> 00:20:16,673
What he wanted is her mind.
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00:20:19,217 --> 00:20:20,844
MOIRA: Did you ever talk
with the defendant
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-about illegal activities?
-DANIELA: Yes.
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00:20:24,056 --> 00:20:26,642
There was a time when Keith
wanted to gain access
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to a certain email account.
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00:20:28,727 --> 00:20:31,313
Keith said, "Do you think
you could do it?"
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So I took it as a challenge.
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MOIRA: Was the defendant
trying to gather information
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-about other people?
-DANIELA: Yes.
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There was a long list of people.
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MOIRA: Who stands out?
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DANIELA: Edgar Bronfman.
Claire Bronfman's father.
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00:20:46,703 --> 00:20:50,624
MOIRA: What Keith Raniere
wanted was to see
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00:20:50,707 --> 00:20:54,503
what connections there were
between Edgar Bronfman
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and efforts to take down
the organization.
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00:21:00,717 --> 00:21:03,220
We were a little tiny
three-million-dollar business
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and we ended up
on the cover of Forbes.
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00:21:06,932 --> 00:21:08,809
"You don't end up
on the cover of Forbes
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as a three-million-dollar
company,
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unless somebody puts you there,"
is what Keith said.
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He wanted to know
who paid for that article
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00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:21,655
'cause he believed that
that article was paid for
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00:21:21,738 --> 00:21:23,323
and we needed to get
to the bottom of it.
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00:21:23,407 --> 00:21:25,909
And I think that's probably why
he did the computer hacking.
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00:21:27,411 --> 00:21:28,870
DANIELA: I started researching
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00:21:28,954 --> 00:21:31,331
and discussing my ideas
with Keith.
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I said, "Isn't this wrong?
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00:21:33,166 --> 00:21:35,043
NXIVM is supposed
to teach ethics
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00:21:35,127 --> 00:21:38,046
but this is illegal,
this is unethical.
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00:21:38,130 --> 00:21:40,173
Why are we breaking the rules?"
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00:21:40,257 --> 00:21:41,842
And Keith said, "Look,
396
00:21:41,925 --> 00:21:44,136
if we're trying to build
a better world,
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00:21:44,219 --> 00:21:47,639
we have to do unethical things
ethically."
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00:21:49,808 --> 00:21:52,978
I think he found a way to...
399
00:21:54,730 --> 00:21:57,983
find the personality
of each of us.
400
00:21:58,942 --> 00:22:00,902
And know how to...
401
00:22:02,154 --> 00:22:03,405
manipulate us.
402
00:22:03,488 --> 00:22:06,616
He used people
to get what he wanted.
403
00:22:07,367 --> 00:22:09,411
These were good people...
404
00:22:10,746 --> 00:22:13,874
really good people
with amazing values,
405
00:22:14,583 --> 00:22:16,960
led to believe...
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00:22:18,587 --> 00:22:20,297
that they were doing
something good.
407
00:22:23,383 --> 00:22:25,510
MOIRA: Did there come a time
when you had difficulty
408
00:22:25,594 --> 00:22:26,762
renewing your visa?
409
00:22:27,387 --> 00:22:28,388
DANIELA: Yes.
410
00:22:28,472 --> 00:22:31,266
My visa was withdrawn
in late 2004
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00:22:31,349 --> 00:22:33,810
and I was sent back to Mexico.
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00:22:33,894 --> 00:22:36,563
I was crushed
because I couldn't go back
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00:22:36,646 --> 00:22:38,231
for at least a year.
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00:22:38,315 --> 00:22:40,067
That's when Keith said
he came up
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00:22:40,150 --> 00:22:41,818
with a plan to bring me back.
416
00:22:45,363 --> 00:22:48,575
MOIRA: Daniela ends up
flying to Canada
417
00:22:48,658 --> 00:22:52,245
and being driven
by members of the enterprise
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00:22:52,329 --> 00:22:55,248
back to Clifton Park, New York.
419
00:22:56,375 --> 00:22:58,835
Now, she's in the United States
illegally.
420
00:23:01,296 --> 00:23:02,422
DANIELA: When I got back,
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00:23:02,506 --> 00:23:04,591
there was a Christmas Eve
get-together.
422
00:23:04,674 --> 00:23:06,134
-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
-Merry Christmas.
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00:23:06,218 --> 00:23:07,511
DANIELA: And everyone,
including Keith,
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00:23:07,594 --> 00:23:09,679
were partaking in the fun.
425
00:23:09,763 --> 00:23:12,474
Discussing the exploits
of this triumphant story
426
00:23:12,557 --> 00:23:15,060
of how we'd successfully
crossed the border.
427
00:23:16,561 --> 00:23:20,023
But later that night,
Keith, Marianna, and I
428
00:23:20,107 --> 00:23:23,151
were just hanging out
in Flintlock.
429
00:23:23,235 --> 00:23:25,403
And then, Keith wanted
to take a nap
430
00:23:25,487 --> 00:23:26,780
with the both of us.
431
00:23:29,741 --> 00:23:32,536
He brought us upstairs
and we laid down.
432
00:23:32,619 --> 00:23:34,037
(BED CREAKING)
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00:23:35,122 --> 00:23:36,414
DANIELA: All of a sudden,
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00:23:36,498 --> 00:23:39,334
he's like, kissing her
and touching me.
435
00:23:41,419 --> 00:23:44,506
It felt dirty. It was wrong.
436
00:23:44,589 --> 00:23:46,883
(HEARTBEAT)
437
00:23:46,967 --> 00:23:50,679
So I start crying,
then Marianna starts crying.
438
00:23:50,762 --> 00:23:55,600
Like, really messed up crying,
and eventually, he stopped.
439
00:24:03,650 --> 00:24:05,402
MOIRA: Did you ever
discuss that incident
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00:24:05,485 --> 00:24:06,820
with the defendant?
441
00:24:06,903 --> 00:24:10,157
DANIELA: No. I just pretended
it never happened
442
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,908
and he did exactly the same.
443
00:24:12,909 --> 00:24:14,161
(BIRDS CHIRPING)
444
00:24:18,498 --> 00:24:21,126
NANCY: I had a conversation
with my daughter recently
445
00:24:21,209 --> 00:24:24,629
who explained to me
that the only time
446
00:24:24,713 --> 00:24:31,511
that Keith Raniere ever enjoyed
any kind of sexual relationship
447
00:24:31,595 --> 00:24:34,890
was when there was something
a little bit depraved about it.
448
00:24:34,973 --> 00:24:36,850
And I said, "What do you mean?"
And she-- he said, like--
449
00:24:36,933 --> 00:24:39,102
she said to me, like,
"When you went away on vacation,
450
00:24:39,186 --> 00:24:41,688
he used to love to have sex
all over your house.
451
00:24:43,523 --> 00:24:45,317
And you wouldn't know."
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00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,694
He would love
that sort of thing.
453
00:24:47,777 --> 00:24:48,945
Or it had to be a threesome,
454
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:52,782
or it had to be
some kind of off thing.
455
00:24:55,493 --> 00:24:58,038
-Get it. Dani. Dani.
-(CROWD LAUGHS)
456
00:24:58,121 --> 00:24:59,748
-It's just not okay.
-DANIELA: It's better with--
457
00:24:59,831 --> 00:25:01,333
-You guys don't like it?
-It's okay.
458
00:25:01,416 --> 00:25:03,919
-It's better than putting it--
-DANIELA: A scrunchie!
459
00:25:04,002 --> 00:25:06,671
It's so pretty,
it's distracting to your team.
460
00:25:06,755 --> 00:25:08,798
-That's the problem.
-Well, that's not okay.
461
00:25:08,882 --> 00:25:10,592
If we start blowing
points over it...
462
00:25:10,675 --> 00:25:12,552
-DANIELA: Yeah, true.
-...then that's a problem.
463
00:25:12,636 --> 00:25:13,887
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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NANCY: I remember
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00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:18,225
all of a sudden,
Marianna and Daniela
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00:25:18,308 --> 00:25:20,185
were talking about bringing
their sister
467
00:25:20,268 --> 00:25:23,647
and their brother,
Adrian and Camila,
468
00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:25,023
to Albany as well.
469
00:25:26,650 --> 00:25:28,568
Apparently, Keith thought
it would be a good idea
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00:25:28,652 --> 00:25:30,779
for the whole family
to be together here.
471
00:25:34,866 --> 00:25:36,201
DANIELA:
When they first arrived,
472
00:25:36,284 --> 00:25:37,494
they were spending
all their time
473
00:25:37,577 --> 00:25:40,497
with us and Keith.
Almost like a family.
474
00:25:41,706 --> 00:25:43,083
Keith's plan for Cami
475
00:25:43,166 --> 00:25:45,710
was that she would clean
Nancy's house for money
476
00:25:45,794 --> 00:25:47,629
to attend classes.
477
00:25:47,712 --> 00:25:50,298
But the house they found
for her to live in
478
00:25:50,382 --> 00:25:52,259
was far away from where I lived.
479
00:25:52,342 --> 00:25:55,887
So shortly after they arrived,
I lost control of them.
480
00:25:57,555 --> 00:25:59,140
NANCY: Keith would give people
481
00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:03,186
what he called "affectionate,"
um, nicknames.
482
00:26:03,270 --> 00:26:07,774
Camila's nickname was V.C.
I never knew what it was.
483
00:26:09,985 --> 00:26:11,444
MOIRA: Did you ever hear
the defendant
484
00:26:11,528 --> 00:26:14,990
say anything sexual
in front of your sister, Camila?
485
00:26:15,073 --> 00:26:18,535
DANIELA: Yes.
He would make sexual jokes.
486
00:26:18,618 --> 00:26:21,413
And he used to tease her
about her innocent demeanor.
487
00:26:22,539 --> 00:26:25,041
He even nicknamed her
"Virgin Camila."
488
00:26:29,337 --> 00:26:31,131
VERO JASPEADO: I met Cami
since I arrived.
489
00:26:31,214 --> 00:26:32,590
I met the entire family.
490
00:26:32,674 --> 00:26:36,428
Yeah, with Cami I-- I felt proud
that she was so young.
491
00:26:36,511 --> 00:26:39,973
I almost felt like, "Oh, my God,
I wish I would have had that.
492
00:26:40,056 --> 00:26:42,350
Your entire family committed
493
00:26:42,434 --> 00:26:44,811
to personal growth,
to community,
494
00:26:44,894 --> 00:26:46,980
to loving each other."
495
00:26:48,523 --> 00:26:49,566
And...
496
00:26:51,109 --> 00:26:55,447
I had no idea, no clue...
497
00:26:57,073 --> 00:27:00,618
by then that she was going
through such hard times.
498
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:08,209
NANCY: When Camila first came,
she was very sweet.
499
00:27:08,293 --> 00:27:10,128
She was everybody's favorite.
500
00:27:12,589 --> 00:27:14,341
As time went on...
501
00:27:15,383 --> 00:27:18,178
she became more
and more withdrawn
502
00:27:18,261 --> 00:27:21,056
and it became harder and harder
to communicate with her.
503
00:27:22,682 --> 00:27:26,394
And I would ask Keith questions
from time to time about Camila.
504
00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:28,521
How come nobody knows
where she lives?
505
00:27:28,605 --> 00:27:29,939
And he said to me,
"Well, you know,
506
00:27:30,023 --> 00:27:32,609
her mother was very invasive
507
00:27:32,692 --> 00:27:35,528
and she had no privacy
508
00:27:35,612 --> 00:27:38,073
and privacy
is very important to her
509
00:27:38,156 --> 00:27:41,034
and so she doesn't want
anyone to know where she lives."
510
00:27:43,411 --> 00:27:44,579
MOIRA: Looking back now,
511
00:27:44,662 --> 00:27:47,749
do you have any thoughts
on where Camila was placed?
512
00:27:47,832 --> 00:27:49,793
DANIELA: I think it was
very manipulative.
513
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,254
She was isolated
for easy access.
514
00:27:55,006 --> 00:27:56,633
MOIRA: Did you come to learn
that the defendant
515
00:27:56,716 --> 00:27:59,511
was having sex
with your sister Camila?
516
00:27:59,594 --> 00:28:03,390
DANIELA: Yes. Some time
around the fall of 2006,
517
00:28:03,473 --> 00:28:06,351
I asked Keith
if he was having sex with Cami.
518
00:28:06,434 --> 00:28:08,895
MOIRA: How did
the defendant respond?
519
00:28:08,978 --> 00:28:10,730
DANIELA: He asked me
if I minded.
520
00:28:11,981 --> 00:28:14,234
Then, he told me
that some girls were more
521
00:28:14,317 --> 00:28:16,444
emotionally mature than others.
522
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:20,573
I also remember,
on top of being concerned
523
00:28:20,657 --> 00:28:23,576
about him having
a relationship with her,
524
00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:26,413
I was also kind of jealous.
525
00:28:26,496 --> 00:28:30,333
He made me wait
until after my 18th birthday,
526
00:28:30,417 --> 00:28:32,877
and he's having sex
with my sister now.
527
00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:36,965
It's all kind of messed up
that I felt that way,
528
00:28:37,048 --> 00:28:39,634
and I deeply regret
that I didn't at that moment
529
00:28:39,717 --> 00:28:43,346
get my sister out of there.
But that's how it happened.
530
00:28:49,018 --> 00:28:52,730
MOIRA: Keith Raniere's sexual
relationship with Camila
531
00:28:52,814 --> 00:28:55,108
started when he was
already having sex
532
00:28:55,191 --> 00:28:56,609
with both of her sisters.
533
00:28:58,278 --> 00:29:00,321
I think for Daniela,
534
00:29:00,405 --> 00:29:04,367
recounting the aspects
of her family's involvement
535
00:29:04,451 --> 00:29:06,077
was incredibly painful
536
00:29:06,161 --> 00:29:09,247
because they really were
so close-knit
537
00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:13,001
until Keith Raniere
came into their lives.
538
00:29:16,713 --> 00:29:18,673
MOIRA: Daniela,
did there come a time
539
00:29:18,756 --> 00:29:21,009
when you became pregnant?
540
00:29:21,092 --> 00:29:26,097
DANIELA: Yes. In late 2006.
I was terrified.
541
00:29:27,182 --> 00:29:29,434
MOIRA:
What were you terrified of?
542
00:29:29,517 --> 00:29:31,352
DANIELA:
Having a baby with Keith.
543
00:29:31,436 --> 00:29:35,982
I mean, I liked Keith.
In fact, I idolized him.
544
00:29:36,065 --> 00:29:38,443
But he was with
a lot of other women,
545
00:29:38,526 --> 00:29:40,320
including my sisters.
546
00:29:40,403 --> 00:29:43,698
Plus, I was very young
and I didn't feel ready.
547
00:29:44,741 --> 00:29:46,534
MOIRA:
Did you tell anyone?
548
00:29:46,618 --> 00:29:48,453
DANIELA: I told Keith.
549
00:29:48,536 --> 00:29:51,414
His response
was very surprising to me.
550
00:29:51,498 --> 00:29:54,000
He said, "It's not
the end of the world."
551
00:29:54,083 --> 00:29:57,086
Then, he proceeded to tell me
about other women
552
00:29:57,170 --> 00:30:00,715
who had had abortions
in an effort to make it normal.
553
00:30:00,798 --> 00:30:02,175
MOIRA: Who did he mention?
554
00:30:02,258 --> 00:30:05,512
DANIELA: Pam and my sister,
Marianna.
555
00:30:05,595 --> 00:30:08,014
MOIRA: Did he talk through
any logistics with you?
556
00:30:08,806 --> 00:30:09,933
DANIELA: Yes.
557
00:30:10,016 --> 00:30:12,227
He said that he was going
to pay for it
558
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:14,562
and that Pam was going
to take me to the doctor
559
00:30:14,646 --> 00:30:17,524
and stay with me
throughout the entire process.
560
00:30:17,607 --> 00:30:20,360
MOIRA: Did you have
any conversations with Pam?
561
00:30:20,443 --> 00:30:25,031
DANIELA: She said when they ask
about the father of the child,
562
00:30:25,114 --> 00:30:28,660
under no circumstances
I was to name Keith.
563
00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:35,625
MOIRA: Once the abortion
had happened,
564
00:30:35,708 --> 00:30:37,794
did you talk
to the defendant about it?
565
00:30:38,753 --> 00:30:39,963
DANIELA: Yes.
566
00:30:40,046 --> 00:30:42,465
A few days after
we went on a walk,
567
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:45,510
and Keith told me that this was
a great opportunity
568
00:30:45,593 --> 00:30:48,054
for me to lose weight
and get fit.
569
00:30:51,432 --> 00:30:55,144
He said, in fact,
that there were Olympic athletes
570
00:30:55,228 --> 00:30:57,855
that get pregnant on purpose
just to have an abortion
571
00:30:57,939 --> 00:30:59,357
as part of their training.
572
00:31:01,818 --> 00:31:03,236
MOIRA: How did you feel
when the defendant
573
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:04,362
said that to you?
574
00:31:06,322 --> 00:31:07,532
DANIELA: Shocked.
575
00:31:15,540 --> 00:31:17,750
MARC AGNIFILO: You know,
very tough. Tough to hear.
576
00:31:17,834 --> 00:31:20,670
I mean, I don't think
Keith committed a crime,
577
00:31:20,753 --> 00:31:22,589
but I do think that-- that--
the-- the jury
578
00:31:22,672 --> 00:31:25,967
is going to seriously consider
that evidence
579
00:31:26,050 --> 00:31:27,760
when deciding whether
580
00:31:27,844 --> 00:31:30,638
he is showing good
or bad intention.
581
00:31:30,722 --> 00:31:31,848
I mean, so far,
582
00:31:31,931 --> 00:31:36,144
there's a lot of evidence
of questionable behavior,
583
00:31:36,227 --> 00:31:39,814
bad judgment, um, you know,
things like that.
584
00:31:39,897 --> 00:31:40,940
But I don't know that
585
00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:43,318
the government's really
made out the charges.
586
00:31:43,401 --> 00:31:45,612
Uh, my fear is that
it's not gonna matter.
587
00:31:45,695 --> 00:31:47,697
You know, that the jury's
gonna have a hard time
588
00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:51,159
acquitting Keith
just because of, you know,
589
00:31:51,242 --> 00:31:54,996
kind of the-- the parade
of bad facts and bad evidence,
590
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:57,540
not necessarily
indicative of guilt
591
00:31:57,624 --> 00:31:59,584
but just indicative of,
you know,
592
00:31:59,667 --> 00:32:02,462
a-- a--
a radically different lifestyle
593
00:32:02,545 --> 00:32:05,715
that, uh, an average juror
really doesn't appreciate.
594
00:32:05,798 --> 00:32:07,634
Can't convict him because
people came here
595
00:32:07,717 --> 00:32:11,220
and said that they felt pain.
That's-- That's not a crime.
596
00:32:14,557 --> 00:32:16,517
MOIRA: Now, Daniela,
at some point
597
00:32:16,601 --> 00:32:19,354
you had a falling-out
with the defendant, correct?
598
00:32:19,437 --> 00:32:21,856
DANIELA: Yes, in 2006.
599
00:32:21,939 --> 00:32:26,152
I started hanging out
with a fellow student at DSP.
600
00:32:26,235 --> 00:32:28,613
One night,
after a community event,
601
00:32:28,696 --> 00:32:32,492
I think the slang word is,
we "made out."
602
00:32:32,575 --> 00:32:36,829
And it felt real.
It felt true. It felt nice.
603
00:32:36,913 --> 00:32:38,915
MOIRA: Did you tell anybody
about this feeling
604
00:32:38,998 --> 00:32:43,336
-that you experienced?
-DANIELA: Yes. I told Keith.
605
00:32:43,419 --> 00:32:45,296
MOIRA: Why did you tell
the defendant?
606
00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:48,216
DANIELA: I guess,
in all my innocence,
607
00:32:48,299 --> 00:32:50,510
I thought he was my best friend.
608
00:32:50,593 --> 00:32:52,637
I had nobody else to tell,
609
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,348
and it never crossed my mind
to hide it.
610
00:32:57,016 --> 00:32:59,394
MOIRA: And how did
the defendant react?
611
00:32:59,477 --> 00:33:00,728
DANIELA: Keith was angry.
612
00:33:00,812 --> 00:33:02,980
I had never seen him
angry before,
613
00:33:03,064 --> 00:33:05,024
and it was dramatic.
614
00:33:05,108 --> 00:33:10,238
There was no reasoning with him.
It was this huge, huge fight.
615
00:33:10,321 --> 00:33:14,534
He said I wasn't pure anymore,
that I had destroyed everything,
616
00:33:14,617 --> 00:33:16,911
and that this was
an ethical breach for me.
617
00:33:17,954 --> 00:33:19,038
(FOOTSTEPS ECHOING)
618
00:33:19,122 --> 00:33:21,332
DANIELA: He locked himself up
in the bathroom.
619
00:33:21,416 --> 00:33:23,376
I remember
Karen asked me to leave
620
00:33:23,459 --> 00:33:26,045
and I was like, "No.
I wanna figure this out.
621
00:33:26,129 --> 00:33:27,755
This makes no sense to me."
622
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,091
He stayed in the bathroom
for a little while
623
00:33:30,174 --> 00:33:34,929
and then he went upstairs.
So I chased him into Pam's room.
624
00:33:35,012 --> 00:33:37,306
He grabbed me by the arm
and threw me over
625
00:33:37,390 --> 00:33:40,768
onto a mattress on the floor
and ran out.
626
00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:43,062
And that was the end
of the argument.
627
00:33:47,859 --> 00:33:50,278
My life changed completely
overnight.
628
00:33:51,738 --> 00:33:54,073
Just like sex with Keith
meant access,
629
00:33:54,157 --> 00:33:57,577
not being with Keith meant
loss of access and isolation.
630
00:33:59,662 --> 00:34:01,873
I couldn't be anywhere
Keith was.
631
00:34:01,956 --> 00:34:03,875
Which meant
I couldn't go to volleyball
632
00:34:03,958 --> 00:34:06,210
or any community events
whatsoever.
633
00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:09,464
It was, like,
an immediate shunning.
634
00:34:14,135 --> 00:34:18,014
(BIRDS CHIRPING)
635
00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:24,312
KAREN UNTERREINER:
Dani was painted
636
00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:28,274
as being awful, nasty, prideful.
637
00:34:29,525 --> 00:34:31,736
He never told me
what the problem really was.
638
00:34:31,819 --> 00:34:35,031
What they were fighting over,
I wasn't allowed to know,
639
00:34:35,114 --> 00:34:38,242
but I was asked
to work with her.
640
00:34:38,326 --> 00:34:41,996
He paints this
as Daniela's only salvation.
641
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:44,248
That she's so prideful,
if we don't break it,
642
00:34:44,332 --> 00:34:46,209
her life
is going to be miserable.
643
00:34:48,795 --> 00:34:52,048
So I coached Daniela
and tried to help her
644
00:34:52,131 --> 00:34:55,676
through whatever so-called
"pride issues" she had.
645
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,304
It was a problem
that was unfixable
646
00:34:58,387 --> 00:34:59,931
'cause there was no problem.
647
00:35:01,432 --> 00:35:03,768
She was interested
in another guy.
648
00:35:05,436 --> 00:35:06,521
At one point,
649
00:35:06,604 --> 00:35:10,274
I couldn't handle it anymore,
working with Dani.
650
00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:15,029
And then he asked Lauren
to take over.
651
00:35:17,073 --> 00:35:18,407
That's also when he instituted
652
00:35:18,491 --> 00:35:20,117
the whole idea
of the room. (SIGHS)
653
00:35:25,414 --> 00:35:27,250
MOIRA: So was there
an additional escalation
654
00:35:27,333 --> 00:35:28,751
in your punishment?
655
00:35:29,460 --> 00:35:30,545
DANIELA: Yes.
656
00:35:33,172 --> 00:35:35,424
They said, "You can go
into this room
657
00:35:35,508 --> 00:35:38,177
with no possibility
of indulgences."
658
00:35:39,637 --> 00:35:42,807
I remember asking
how long I need to stay,
659
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:44,725
and they said,
"As long as it takes
660
00:35:44,809 --> 00:35:47,186
to heal your ethical breach."
661
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:50,022
By that point,
Keith had stopped talking to me
662
00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:52,108
and the community
had shunned me.
663
00:35:52,191 --> 00:35:55,444
They had taken all my property,
everything I owned,
664
00:35:55,528 --> 00:35:57,655
including my papers.
665
00:35:57,738 --> 00:36:00,157
So it was truly impossible
for me to leave.
666
00:36:02,952 --> 00:36:04,120
I had no choice.
667
00:36:05,788 --> 00:36:09,834
I went into the room
March 9th, 2010.
668
00:36:09,917 --> 00:36:12,170
And I was there
for over two years.
669
00:36:19,176 --> 00:36:22,388
The room was completely empty.
670
00:36:22,471 --> 00:36:25,850
There was a one-and-a-half-inch
foam mattress on the floor
671
00:36:25,933 --> 00:36:27,935
and the window
had been blocked out
672
00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:29,437
so I couldn't look outside.
673
00:36:31,606 --> 00:36:33,107
They gave me some paper and pen
674
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:36,027
because I was supposed to write
to Keith every day.
675
00:36:37,737 --> 00:36:39,071
I'd write to Keith saying,
676
00:36:39,155 --> 00:36:43,409
"I love you. I'm so sorry
I did this to you."
677
00:36:43,492 --> 00:36:46,621
I tried to make the most
sincere apology possible
678
00:36:46,704 --> 00:36:48,706
because that was
the only way out.
679
00:36:48,789 --> 00:36:51,208
(PENCIL SCRATCHING)
680
00:36:51,292 --> 00:36:52,668
But none of it worked.
681
00:36:56,797 --> 00:36:58,090
I had no books...
682
00:36:59,342 --> 00:37:00,509
nothing to read...
683
00:37:02,011 --> 00:37:03,387
nothing to listen to...
684
00:37:05,473 --> 00:37:07,016
and nothing to grab onto.
685
00:37:07,099 --> 00:37:12,021
-(CLOCK TICKING)
-(DISTANT VOICES ECHOING)
686
00:37:14,523 --> 00:37:16,734
At times, I would lay
on the ground
687
00:37:16,817 --> 00:37:19,195
and listen through the vent
on the floor,
688
00:37:19,278 --> 00:37:22,490
or with my ear to the crack
underneath the door,
689
00:37:22,573 --> 00:37:24,784
trying to catch
any sounds I could.
690
00:37:26,243 --> 00:37:29,288
(PENCIL SCRATCHING)
691
00:37:29,372 --> 00:37:32,458
DANIELA: I had no connection
to anything whatsoever.
692
00:37:35,711 --> 00:37:39,966
When Lauren would come,
I hated her...
693
00:37:40,049 --> 00:37:42,426
but she was the only human
that I was seeing,
694
00:37:43,344 --> 00:37:44,845
so I was happy to see her.
695
00:37:46,889 --> 00:37:50,685
Every conversation with Lauren,
it was all about Keith.
696
00:37:53,145 --> 00:37:55,147
Because Keith,
through my letters,
697
00:37:55,231 --> 00:37:56,774
was going to know
when I was ready
698
00:37:56,857 --> 00:37:58,067
to leave the room.
699
00:37:59,193 --> 00:38:00,778
I wasn't going to know.
700
00:38:00,861 --> 00:38:03,823
My parents weren't.
It was Keith.
701
00:38:03,906 --> 00:38:06,033
Keith was the one
who was going to determine
702
00:38:06,117 --> 00:38:08,494
when I had healed
my ethical breach.
703
00:38:54,165 --> 00:38:55,708
KAREN:
Marianna was mostly living
704
00:38:55,791 --> 00:38:57,293
with us at that point.
705
00:38:57,376 --> 00:39:00,087
But Camila was there
and her brother was there.
706
00:39:00,171 --> 00:39:02,590
They're the ones
that were feeding her.
707
00:39:02,673 --> 00:39:04,592
But most of the community
didn't understand
708
00:39:04,675 --> 00:39:06,469
why Dani wasn't around anymore.
709
00:39:07,803 --> 00:39:09,388
I don't think many people knew.
710
00:39:10,431 --> 00:39:13,017
-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
-(SMOOCHES)
711
00:39:15,394 --> 00:39:17,646
I just wanted to illustrate
the point, I go nowhere
712
00:39:17,730 --> 00:39:19,148
without my Guru.
713
00:39:19,231 --> 00:39:22,401
(CROWD LAUGHS,
INDISTINCT CHATTER)
714
00:39:23,986 --> 00:39:27,031
KAREN: There was a training
right before she went
in the room.
715
00:39:27,114 --> 00:39:29,700
It was all a set up
for her parents
716
00:39:29,784 --> 00:39:31,285
to buy into that thing.
717
00:39:32,953 --> 00:39:36,123
KEITH: Community at first
is something we have to work at.
718
00:39:36,207 --> 00:39:43,089
Work at ourselves to be able
to appreciate contributing
719
00:39:43,172 --> 00:39:44,965
and what we get back so much
720
00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:47,468
that we would not have it
any other way.
721
00:39:47,551 --> 00:39:50,179
And when you look around,
you know, this community,
722
00:39:50,262 --> 00:39:53,140
there are things
that all of you won't like.
723
00:39:53,224 --> 00:39:54,809
There might be someone
in the community
724
00:39:54,892 --> 00:39:57,603
that you think is going
and destroying everything.
725
00:39:57,686 --> 00:39:59,855
And you know something, maybe
they don't even realize it.
726
00:39:59,939 --> 00:40:01,982
You have to be willing to go
and give them the feedback.
727
00:40:02,066 --> 00:40:03,400
That's part of being
in a community.
728
00:40:03,484 --> 00:40:06,570
By your being able to do
729
00:40:06,654 --> 00:40:09,365
the most distasteful
of activities,
730
00:40:09,448 --> 00:40:11,325
you're gonna be
the agent of change.
731
00:40:14,578 --> 00:40:18,666
NANCY: The way that Keith
got Dani into the room
732
00:40:18,749 --> 00:40:20,793
was by enrolling
her whole family
733
00:40:20,876 --> 00:40:22,336
in the problem of Dani.
734
00:41:40,915 --> 00:41:41,999
ADRIANA: Exactly.
735
00:41:43,042 --> 00:41:44,627
KEITH:
736
00:41:54,970 --> 00:41:57,223
KEITH:
737
00:41:58,182 --> 00:42:02,394
-ADRIANA: Mm-hmm?
-KEITH:
738
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,028
It's hard for me
to explain exactly
739
00:42:11,111 --> 00:42:13,906
the power that Keith Raniere
was able to have
740
00:42:13,989 --> 00:42:16,200
over Daniela's family.
741
00:42:16,283 --> 00:42:20,704
But it's this real, like,
this absolute trust in him.
742
00:42:22,122 --> 00:42:26,252
Daniela is a very
family-oriented person
743
00:42:26,335 --> 00:42:28,087
and the desperation
744
00:42:28,170 --> 00:42:32,549
to maintain those relationships
with her family is in large part
745
00:42:32,633 --> 00:42:37,888
what kept her committed
to staying in that room.
746
00:42:44,561 --> 00:42:46,272
-(KNOCKING AT DOOR)
-DANIELA: Meals were brought
747
00:42:46,355 --> 00:42:48,107
to me by someone in my family.
748
00:42:51,026 --> 00:42:52,278
They would knock on the door
749
00:42:52,361 --> 00:42:55,197
and leave the plate on the floor
outside the bedroom,
750
00:42:55,281 --> 00:42:57,157
so I would never see anyone.
751
00:43:02,955 --> 00:43:06,458
Honestly,
I broke pretty quickly.
752
00:43:09,086 --> 00:43:11,588
It's hard to describe
my emotional state.
753
00:43:14,717 --> 00:43:17,303
But I'd get really crazy
and really dark.
754
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:21,390
After one of those episodes,
755
00:43:21,473 --> 00:43:23,642
I would be completely numb
for days.
756
00:43:27,438 --> 00:43:30,107
It felt like my breach
destroyed everything,
757
00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:31,608
and I had to fix it.
758
00:43:32,860 --> 00:43:34,611
So I started with my family.
759
00:43:37,573 --> 00:43:39,616
I drafted a newsletter
that I would send
760
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:41,368
to every member of my family.
761
00:43:44,663 --> 00:43:47,666
But that was shut down
as a huge indulgence.
762
00:43:51,086 --> 00:43:54,173
At the time,
my hair hung below my waist
763
00:43:54,256 --> 00:43:56,342
because Keith liked long hair,
764
00:43:56,425 --> 00:43:58,927
but someone left scissors
in the bathroom
765
00:43:59,011 --> 00:44:00,346
and I cut it off.
766
00:44:02,890 --> 00:44:05,726
Lauren came with the big news
that cutting my hair
767
00:44:05,809 --> 00:44:09,021
was a new, huge ethical breach.
768
00:44:09,104 --> 00:44:12,358
She said, "Now you're going
to have to stay in this room
769
00:44:12,441 --> 00:44:16,028
until your hair grows back
to where it was."
770
00:44:16,111 --> 00:44:21,033
I remember thinking,
"My God! It's gonna be years."
771
00:44:22,284 --> 00:44:25,871
-(SLOW HEARTBEAT)
-♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
772
00:44:30,626 --> 00:44:32,419
DANIELA: Around that time,
773
00:44:32,503 --> 00:44:35,589
I started accumulating
cleaning supplies,
774
00:44:35,672 --> 00:44:38,759
and I thought,
"Soon as I have enough,
775
00:44:38,842 --> 00:44:42,262
I'll just drink it
and everything will be over."
776
00:44:44,556 --> 00:44:49,103
(HEARTBEAT)
777
00:44:50,437 --> 00:44:52,481
♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
778
00:44:58,070 --> 00:45:03,367
(BIRD CHIRPING DISTANTLY)
779
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,540
(CHIRPING)
780
00:45:09,623 --> 00:45:12,459
DANIELA: Then, I looked out
the window
781
00:45:12,543 --> 00:45:14,294
and I saw this cardinal.
782
00:45:14,378 --> 00:45:16,213
(CHIRPING)
783
00:45:16,296 --> 00:45:18,507
DANIELA: I don't know
what it was about that bird...
784
00:45:20,467 --> 00:45:23,470
but at that moment,
I remember thinking...
785
00:45:24,596 --> 00:45:25,931
"I want to live."
786
00:45:28,517 --> 00:45:30,227
(CHIRPING)
787
00:45:30,310 --> 00:45:33,522
DANIELA: All of a sudden,
there was this sense of freedom.
788
00:45:34,231 --> 00:45:36,191
I thought, "Fuck everyone.
789
00:45:36,275 --> 00:45:38,902
I give up.
I can't do this anymore.
790
00:45:38,986 --> 00:45:41,905
Go fuck yourselves.
I'm going to live."
791
00:45:45,033 --> 00:45:47,411
I walked out of the room,
down the stairs,
792
00:45:47,494 --> 00:45:48,787
and out the front door.
793
00:45:50,205 --> 00:45:51,498
I was done.
794
00:45:51,582 --> 00:45:55,919
(RAIN PATTERING)
795
00:46:13,395 --> 00:46:14,396
Hard day.
796
00:46:37,127 --> 00:46:40,464
I think I didn't expect it to be
this emotionally grueling.
797
00:46:42,966 --> 00:46:45,260
I definitely got to a point...
798
00:46:46,762 --> 00:46:48,555
not that long ago,
where I kind of
799
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:51,517
considered myself
to be fairly dead inside
800
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,810
because nothing,
like I had no reaction to so--
801
00:46:53,894 --> 00:46:55,771
Like I had no reaction
basically to anything,
802
00:46:55,854 --> 00:46:57,064
to, like, any testimony.
(SNIFFLES)
803
00:46:57,147 --> 00:46:58,941
And it still stands
for a lot of things.
804
00:46:59,024 --> 00:47:00,901
Like, I can hear
pretty gruesome testimony
805
00:47:00,984 --> 00:47:03,362
about a lot of different things
and it doesn't f--
806
00:47:03,445 --> 00:47:06,073
It doesn't, like,
emotionally affect me,
807
00:47:06,156 --> 00:47:07,407
but I have noticed
that the tra--
808
00:47:07,491 --> 00:47:09,826
like, that this trial
specifically...
809
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:12,371
(CLICKS TONGUE) ...um, like,
sticks with me
810
00:47:12,454 --> 00:47:16,083
and bothers me in ways...
811
00:47:16,708 --> 00:47:18,377
that others haven't.
812
00:47:22,506 --> 00:47:23,840
Whatever the prosecution
is doing
813
00:47:23,924 --> 00:47:25,509
to paint Raniere
in a terrible light
814
00:47:25,592 --> 00:47:27,511
has been so effective on me
that it's like,
815
00:47:27,594 --> 00:47:31,515
I think it's because I feel,
like, a personal loathing
816
00:47:31,598 --> 00:47:35,185
and it's-- it's sticking.
It's all sticking.
817
00:47:35,269 --> 00:47:37,229
I mean, I wasn't locked
in a room for two years,
818
00:47:37,312 --> 00:47:40,649
but I heard about someone's
experience of that today
819
00:47:40,732 --> 00:47:42,734
and, like, I'm gonna continue
to think about that
820
00:47:42,818 --> 00:47:44,111
for a long time and, like,
821
00:47:44,194 --> 00:47:46,613
I'm gonna carry that testimony
with me for a long time and I...
822
00:47:49,575 --> 00:47:50,617
That's...
823
00:47:51,702 --> 00:47:53,370
that's what it means
to bear witness
824
00:47:53,453 --> 00:47:54,913
to something like this,
is that you take
825
00:47:54,997 --> 00:47:56,498
a little bit of that with you.
826
00:48:00,836 --> 00:48:02,254
(INHALES)
827
00:48:09,886 --> 00:48:12,931
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
828
00:49:08,695 --> 00:49:09,988
MARC: Certainly,
her story on direct
829
00:49:10,072 --> 00:49:11,823
was a very dramatic story
830
00:49:11,907 --> 00:49:15,285
of her being locked in the room
against her will,
831
00:49:15,369 --> 00:49:18,246
and-- and, uh, you know,
kind of put upon
832
00:49:18,330 --> 00:49:19,331
in all these different ways
833
00:49:19,414 --> 00:49:21,333
and was the recipient
of attention
834
00:49:21,416 --> 00:49:22,793
that she didn't want,
835
00:49:22,876 --> 00:49:25,837
and the question
is whether that's whole story,
836
00:49:25,921 --> 00:49:27,964
whether that story
is even valid.
837
00:49:29,633 --> 00:49:31,885
Maybe the room was overkill,
838
00:49:31,968 --> 00:49:33,470
maybe it was too much pressure.
839
00:49:33,553 --> 00:49:37,307
You know, maybe it's appropriate
given the circumstances.
840
00:49:37,391 --> 00:49:40,477
Maybe it's important
that her father who seems to be
841
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,147
a very capable, intelligent,
successful man
842
00:49:44,231 --> 00:49:46,942
was, um, you know,
on board with this.
843
00:49:47,025 --> 00:49:48,485
You know,
maybe that's significant.
844
00:49:49,820 --> 00:49:53,990
I mean, this is his daughter
and if he's on board with this,
845
00:49:54,074 --> 00:49:55,617
you have to ask yourself, "Why?"
846
00:49:55,701 --> 00:49:57,035
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
847
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:58,495
MARC: And all the facts
aren't out yet
848
00:49:58,578 --> 00:50:00,622
and we still have a ways to go.
849
00:50:00,706 --> 00:50:03,667
We'll see what the cross
has to add.
850
00:50:07,838 --> 00:50:08,922
Good afternoon, Daniela.
851
00:50:10,090 --> 00:50:11,341
DANIELA: Good afternoon.
852
00:50:11,425 --> 00:50:13,677
MARC: I want to ask you a few
questions about your father.
853
00:50:16,471 --> 00:50:17,556
He wanted you to do well
854
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:19,474
-in the world, right?
-DANIELA: Yes.
855
00:50:20,851 --> 00:50:22,811
MARC: And did you discuss
with your father the fact
856
00:50:22,894 --> 00:50:26,064
that he wanted you to stay
in a room in your family's house
857
00:50:26,148 --> 00:50:27,816
until you did certain things?
858
00:50:27,899 --> 00:50:28,900
DANIELA: No. That--
859
00:50:28,984 --> 00:50:31,069
that was not at all
the proposal.
860
00:50:31,153 --> 00:50:34,781
Nor did I have a discussion
with just my father.
861
00:50:34,865 --> 00:50:40,579
It was my father, my mother,
Lauren Salzman, and Karen.
862
00:50:40,662 --> 00:50:42,581
MARC: Did they say
that you could do certain things
863
00:50:42,664 --> 00:50:43,832
and leave the room?
864
00:50:43,915 --> 00:50:46,752
DANIELA: No. I wasn't given
an actual plan
865
00:50:46,835 --> 00:50:48,128
to go outside the room.
866
00:50:48,211 --> 00:50:49,755
MARC: And before you went
in the room,
867
00:50:49,838 --> 00:50:52,257
you started to write
to Keith, correct?
868
00:50:52,340 --> 00:50:53,383
DANIELA: I had been writing
869
00:50:53,467 --> 00:50:56,344
to Keith for years,
as instructed.
870
00:50:56,428 --> 00:50:57,929
MARC:
And what you write here is,
871
00:50:58,013 --> 00:50:59,347
"From my love to you
872
00:50:59,431 --> 00:51:01,308
and what is unfinished
between us,
873
00:51:01,391 --> 00:51:04,644
I gather the strength to go
against my own momentum
874
00:51:04,728 --> 00:51:06,480
and be honest with myself."
875
00:51:07,898 --> 00:51:10,776
DANIELA: This is a very
complex situation.
876
00:51:10,859 --> 00:51:13,528
I'm getting drilled
from my parents and Karen
877
00:51:13,612 --> 00:51:15,697
about how I should be doing,
878
00:51:15,781 --> 00:51:18,241
what I have done,
and how bad I am.
879
00:51:19,534 --> 00:51:22,037
I'm already very isolated
from everyone,
880
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,456
I'm very confused,
I'm very angry,
881
00:51:24,539 --> 00:51:25,791
I'm pretty broken,
882
00:51:25,874 --> 00:51:28,043
and there's a tightly
controlled environment
883
00:51:28,126 --> 00:51:29,252
around me.
884
00:51:30,504 --> 00:51:31,838
MARC: Well, at some point,
you decided
885
00:51:31,922 --> 00:51:33,965
you wanted to leave
the room, correct?
886
00:51:34,841 --> 00:51:35,842
DANIELA: Yes.
887
00:51:35,926 --> 00:51:37,177
MARC: Were you locked
in the room?
888
00:51:39,137 --> 00:51:40,180
DANIELA: No.
889
00:51:40,263 --> 00:51:41,556
MARC: So you could open the door
890
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,518
and just walk out of the room
whenever you wanted, right?
891
00:51:44,601 --> 00:51:46,394
DANIELA: No. That is not true.
892
00:51:46,478 --> 00:51:47,354
(DOOR SLAMS)
893
00:51:47,437 --> 00:51:48,522
MARC: Were you threatened
894
00:51:48,605 --> 00:51:50,774
with something happening
to you if you left?
895
00:51:50,857 --> 00:51:54,861
DANIELA: I had no money,
no papers, and I was threatened
896
00:51:54,945 --> 00:51:57,155
with both being sent
back to Mexico
897
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,866
and also threatened
with being completely cut off
898
00:51:59,950 --> 00:52:01,368
from everyone I knew.
899
00:52:01,451 --> 00:52:03,829
MARC: And how old were you
when you went in the room?
900
00:52:03,912 --> 00:52:06,498
DANIELA: I believe I was 24.
901
00:52:06,581 --> 00:52:08,291
MARC: So you could have left,
right?
902
00:52:08,375 --> 00:52:09,501
You were 24 years old,
903
00:52:09,584 --> 00:52:12,170
and no one was forcing you
to stay, correct?
904
00:52:12,796 --> 00:52:13,755
DANIELA: No.
905
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:16,174
That is not an accurate
statement.
906
00:52:16,258 --> 00:52:18,301
MARC: Your Honor,
I have nothing else.
907
00:52:26,476 --> 00:52:28,979
MOIRA: The crimes
that we charged
908
00:52:29,062 --> 00:52:31,231
don't require there to be
909
00:52:31,314 --> 00:52:33,817
any sort of
physical imprisonment.
910
00:52:34,901 --> 00:52:36,194
Psychological coercion
911
00:52:36,278 --> 00:52:39,739
doesn't depend on
a physically locked door.
912
00:52:41,741 --> 00:52:45,620
There were all of these fences
that were keeping her in.
913
00:52:52,460 --> 00:52:55,297
Someone on the outside
doesn't understand
914
00:52:55,380 --> 00:52:58,884
the years and years
of manipulation
915
00:52:58,967 --> 00:53:01,261
we all experienced.
916
00:53:01,344 --> 00:53:03,430
You've got all these ideas
that Keith implanted
917
00:53:03,513 --> 00:53:05,181
in your head...
918
00:53:05,265 --> 00:53:08,560
leading you to make the decision
he wants you to make.
919
00:53:08,643 --> 00:53:10,312
The reason why Dani
was in the room
920
00:53:10,395 --> 00:53:12,564
was because she didn't make
the decisions
921
00:53:12,647 --> 00:53:13,899
Keith wanted her to make.
922
00:53:13,982 --> 00:53:16,484
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
923
00:53:16,568 --> 00:53:20,739
NANCY: It feels like he went
after the whole family,
924
00:53:20,822 --> 00:53:23,366
which is similar
to what he did to my family.
925
00:53:24,492 --> 00:53:26,328
But the parents weren't here.
926
00:53:29,706 --> 00:53:34,419
I can't tell you how sad
I feel for Dani
927
00:53:34,502 --> 00:53:35,795
and what she went through.
928
00:53:36,755 --> 00:53:38,173
Even Marianna.
929
00:53:39,424 --> 00:53:43,011
I feel-- I feel horrible
for all of them.
930
00:53:44,220 --> 00:53:47,641
But-- but I feel really sad
for Camila
931
00:53:47,724 --> 00:53:50,226
because that should
never have happened.
932
00:53:52,729 --> 00:53:56,191
She is probably
one of the most damaged people
933
00:53:56,274 --> 00:53:57,484
by Keith Raniere.
934
00:53:58,318 --> 00:54:01,404
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
935
00:54:01,488 --> 00:54:03,657
REPORTER: The prosecution
in the trial of NXIVM leader
936
00:54:03,740 --> 00:54:07,285
Keith Raniere produced
240 pages of text messages
937
00:54:07,369 --> 00:54:10,455
between one victim called Camila
and Raniere.
938
00:54:11,957 --> 00:54:15,293
NANCY: Going into this,
I thought Keith was innocent.
939
00:54:17,003 --> 00:54:20,340
But when I got to see
the text thread
940
00:54:20,423 --> 00:54:22,342
between Camila and Keith...
941
00:54:24,469 --> 00:54:27,764
that was pretty much
what flipped me totally
942
00:54:27,847 --> 00:54:30,684
to believe that Keith...
943
00:54:31,935 --> 00:54:34,562
had done
some very bad things.
944
00:54:35,438 --> 00:54:36,648
I remember calling my attorney
945
00:54:36,731 --> 00:54:39,234
and telling him
that I was wrong.
946
00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:46,282
-(KEYS CLACKING)
-(CELLPHONE CHIMES)
947
00:54:48,743 --> 00:54:51,287
NANCY: These texts
are the beginning of DOS.
948
00:54:51,371 --> 00:54:53,415
-(CELLPHONE CHIMES)
-(KEYS CLACKING)
949
00:54:56,084 --> 00:54:57,502
(CELLPHONE CHIMES)
950
00:55:01,798 --> 00:55:05,176
♪ ("REGRET"
BY BONNIE PIESSE PLAYING) ♪
951
00:55:05,260 --> 00:55:10,473
♪ You played with my mind ♪
952
00:55:10,557 --> 00:55:15,020
♪ You shattered my soul ♪
953
00:55:15,103 --> 00:55:20,066
♪ It shall not be ♪
954
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:25,655
♪ How can I forget ♪
955
00:55:25,739 --> 00:55:30,118
♪ A life of regret ♪
956
00:55:30,201 --> 00:55:33,997
♪ You destroyed me ♪
957
00:55:35,290 --> 00:55:39,085
♪ I was ♪
958
00:55:39,169 --> 00:55:41,713
♪ Dying for you ♪
959
00:55:41,796 --> 00:55:48,595
♪ And it felt like home ♪
960
00:55:50,638 --> 00:55:56,144
♪ I fell to my knees ♪
961
00:55:56,227 --> 00:56:00,106
♪ Lost in a dream ♪
962
00:56:00,774 --> 00:56:04,152
♪ I was spellbound ♪
963
00:56:05,653 --> 00:56:09,157
♪ You were ♪
964
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:12,744
♪ A deadly addiction ♪
965
00:56:12,827 --> 00:56:16,873
♪ And I was ♪
966
00:56:16,956 --> 00:56:19,542
♪ Dying for you ♪
967
00:56:19,626 --> 00:56:23,838
♪ And it felt like ♪
968
00:56:24,589 --> 00:56:26,424
♪ Home ♪
969
00:56:26,508 --> 00:56:27,675
♪ (SONG CONCLUDES) ♪