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One of the biggest issues
in society today is punishment.
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Some people
believe in capital punishment
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and some people don't believe
in any punishment at all.
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And what about justice?
What is justice?
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Justice, according
to the dictionary, is fairness.
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Justice is upholding
one's ethics.
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If you do not uphold
an ethical principle,
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the ethical principle ceases
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Justice often requires making
the hard choice
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and punishing with integrity
when necessary.
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This inquiry will help you
build an understanding
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of what's fair and what's just,
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so you'll gain
a whole new perspective
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on punishment
and accountability.
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♪ ("DREAM STATE"
FT. BONNIE PIESSE
BY SON LUX PLAYING) ♪
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♪ Days we were young ♪
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♪ We took photographs
Of everything we could see ♪
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♪ We had to run from it ♪
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♪ Priest and prophetess
We were ♪
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♪ Nothing we would defy ♪
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♪ Oh! Invisible skin ♪
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♪ Where is the world within? ♪
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♪ Invincible skin
It's how we all begin ♪
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♪ ("DREAM STATE" CONCLUDES) ♪
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MOIRA PENZA: Over the course
of the investigation...
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I realized that Camila
was key to this case.
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We knew that there
had been sexual interactions
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between Keith and Camila,
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but we did not have
access to Camila.
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So proving that
through the WhatsApp chats
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between Camila and Keith Raniere
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became very important.
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Keith Raniere's own words
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were probably the most
powerful evidence
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that we had
in the case against him.
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TANYA HAJJAR:
Good morning, Agent Rees.
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-AGENT REES: Good morning.
-TANYA: Where do you work?
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REES: The Federal Bureau
of Investigation.
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My role was to review
the electronic evidence.
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TANYA: How many pages
of these messages
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-have you personally reviewed?
-REES: Approximately 1500.
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TANYA: And in terms of frequency
of the messages you reviewed.
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REES:
Hundreds of messages a day.
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MOIRA:
Camila was in her early twenties
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when these messages
were exchanged,
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but they had already had
sexual contact for years.
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TANYA: On August 24th,
Raniere writes, "Are you free?"
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NANCY SALZMAN: So let's see.
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Raniere, "Make sure your sister
doesn't see you texting."
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"I just heard your father
is now concerned.
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We need to be very careful."
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Her parents gave
her permission to stay here
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because he
was going to mentor her.
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And this is what he did instead.
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I think that Camila
is not testifying
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because she may
still be loyal to Keith.
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I don't think she realizes
how badly she was abused.
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And I think the government
doesn't know how to pose it
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any other way
than to show the texts,
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allowing the jurors to come
to their own conclusion.
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(PEOPLE CHATTERING)
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Are you in a-- Are you--
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Okay.
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TANYA: Agent Rees,
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are these just some
of the excerpts
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relating to Robbie?
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REES: Yes.
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TANYA: And based
on the messages exchanged,
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did it indicate
a kind of romantic
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or sexual relationship
between Camila and Robbie?
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REES: Yes.
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(SIGHS)
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Keith, uh, saved all
the WhatsApp messages
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for history.
And, um, you know...
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They're--
Obviously, they're intimate.
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They're-- The government,
you know,
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cherry-picked
and picked the ones that they
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thought were best for them.
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The problem with this case,
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and the problem
with this afternoon,
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none of that's charged.
None of it's charged.
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You know, it's all cosmetic.
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You know, and, uh, and it has
an effect on everybody,
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but it's not what's charged.
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EMILY SAUL: The content
of this trial is so ridiculous.
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We're looking at messages
allegedly from Keith Raniere,
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where he's asking her
how, like, long
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and, like, the width
of this man's penis is.
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And then saying that,
like, his is bigger.
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And then her responding,
you know,
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well, you haven't been,
like, fully erect in a while,
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or, like, you haven't been
your full self in a while.
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And it's just sort of like...
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I...
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Why?
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Why are we looking at these?
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The government is using
agents to get in
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what should be brought
in through witnesses.
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It's sort of like their way
of getting in
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all of the abuse
that happened to Camila,
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and the way she was
manipulated by Raniere
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without the defense being
able to cross examine
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any of these statements.
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MOIRA: The WhatsApp chats
really gave the jury insight
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into this point in time
where Keith Raniere
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is losing control
over the women in his life.
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He had experienced
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what had happened
with Daniela already.
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Now he had Camila,
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who he thought
would never betray him,
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had had a sexual experience
with another man.
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And DOS provided this way
of keeping that control.
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NANCY: Camila writes,
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"What do you want me to do?"
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And he writes,
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"Trust me 100 percent.
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Any failure is unacceptable.
You have to earn me.
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I need a vow
of absolute obedience."
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Camila writes,
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"I can't do it, love.
Please don't be mad."
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And then he writes, uh,
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"If I don't get what I want,
I want you out."
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Camila writes,
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"I'm fearful that
you will abuse the power."
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And he writes,
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"If it never
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it wouldn't be trust.
Do it now."
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Camila says,
"I vow to do as you say."
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So she's 24 at this point
that he's asking for this vow.
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And now he wants her
to be his slave.
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So he came up with this idea
in 2014, I guess.
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This is the beginning of DOS,
I guess.
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MOIRA: Keith Raniere's defense
was that
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DOS was intended
as something good,
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that this was intended
as women's empowerment.
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Having those communications
where he actually says to Camila
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that she should be grooming
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someone for him.
These were very key facts,
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and key evidence
to proving our case.
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KEITH RANIERE: Abuse is
a made-up human construct.
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The thing, for example,
with sexual abuse.
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In some states, it's their ages.
There's the age of consent.
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Some states it's 17.
Some parts of the world it's 12.
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So what's abuse in one area
is not abuse in another,
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but what is it really?
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Abuse is, does the person--
Is the person a child?
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Or is the person adult-like?
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Does the person, um,
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have a certain type
of understanding
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of cognition, morality
to make such a choice?
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Often, when you counsel people
who were, say,
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children of what you call abuse,
you know, the little child...
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Some little children
are perfectly happy with it,
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until they find out what
happened later in life.
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"In other words, at the time
they didn't know it was bad.
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They didn't know anything
about it was bad.
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Later they grow up,
and they find out
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that it was actually
something that was bad.
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In that case, is it more society
that's abusing them?
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Because society says it's bad,
but they didn't know it was bad.
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In other societies in the past,
like in Rome,
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standards were
completely different.
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But we are not in Rome,
and we should know that."
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You want me to comment
on it now?
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Yeah.
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Um...
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When I look at it now...
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I have certain feelings about...
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it that I didn't...
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have then.
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This is a concept that Keith
brought up twice.
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Maybe three times.
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Certainly, it's being taken
out of context.
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It was a whole series
of different things.
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But I feel a lot of remorse
that I read that.
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January 3rd, 2005,
this was created.
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Camila was about 15 that year.
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There are very few parts
of the curriculum
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that I think intentionally
were put in there...
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to-- to--
to promote Keith's...
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beliefs, or his own behaviors,
or whatever.
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That I think probably was.
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That intensive,
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he addresses
the darkest parts of humanity.
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And there were a lot
of thought experiments
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where we go into
in great detail, what is abuse?
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How do you define abuse?
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It leaves you
to be able to figure out
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what you think
about these concepts.
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So when we came down
to age of consent,
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it just seemed like another
thought experiment to me.
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It never occurred to me
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that he was having
a relationship with Camila.
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And it is abuse to ask
a child to make a decision
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that they can't possibly make
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because they don't understand
what it will mean.
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TANYA: Agent Rees, have you also
reviewed photographs?
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REES: I have.
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TANYA: And is it fair to say
that some of these
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are graphically nude photographs
of Camila?
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REES: Yes, they are.
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Keith Raniere does like
keeping photographs.
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I think it's trophies for him.
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And so, once we knew about
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the picture taking,
the picture keeping,
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it was a matter
of finding those.
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And when we did,
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I mean,
that is game-changing evidence.
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We've been hearing about
images of Camila
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that are sexually explicit,
taken when she was underage.
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And finally today, jurors saw
those in the courtroom.
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The FBI agent, like,
opened up the binder,
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and sort of very, like,
solemnly and stoically
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flipped through 18 photos.
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It was a very dramatic,
very silent presentation,
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which the jurors
really reacted to.
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They seemed to have a really
hard time with these images.
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I'm feeling sick.
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You know,
like a part of me is thinking,
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"Oh, my God,
how could you ever--
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have ever loved this man?"
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You know, and he's a monster,
and how did he conceal this?
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It's appalling,
and it's disgusting.
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I'm a very forgiving person.
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And I'm having a hard time...
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finding that forgiveness
for him right now.
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He stole her childhood.
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Camila was victimized
at an earlier age
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than anyone else in this case.
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At a time when her family
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was already
completely indoctrinated.
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That being said, she became
a predator herself,
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and she is part of one
of the most serious
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DOS related crimes
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that we charged,
the sex trafficking of Nicole,
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who was one of the last victims
to testify at the trial.
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NEWS ANCHOR 1: After five weeks
of dramatic testimony,
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the trial of Keith Raniere
enters its final week.
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NEWS ANCHOR 2: A former
DOS member named Nicole,
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giving her testimony.
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Allison Mack
was her direct superior
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and also her mentor
in her acting career.
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EMILY: Nicole was Keith's
perfect woman.
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She had long hair.
She was beautiful.
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She was a bartender
in New York City,
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found by Allison Mack,
and then groomed for Keith.
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-MOIRA: Good afternoon, Nicole.
-NICOLE: Good afternoon.
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MOIRA: When did you first join
The Source?
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ALLISON MACK:
Yes, it's an acting curriculum,
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but there's so much
more to this,
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because what you learn
is the art of life,
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and how to be
a true student of that.
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NICOLE: I started
to get involved with The Source
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in 2015,
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but honestly,
my life was not that great.
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I was really struggling.
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Allison said she had something
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that she thought would fix
how I was feeling,
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but she said that if I wanted
to get more information,
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I would have
to provide collateral.
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By that point,
Allison had been mentoring me
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in The Source for a while.
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She had taken me under her wing,
so I-- I definitely trusted her.
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MOIRA: What were your initial
experiences with DOS like?
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NICOLE: In the beginning,
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Allison was very attentive
and loving.
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One morning, Allison said,
"I have an assignment for you."
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MOIRA: One of the most
serious charges in the case
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was sex trafficking,
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based on evidence
that Nicole was coerced
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into engaging in commercial sex
with Keith Raniere.
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Because Nicole's sex acts
with Keith Raniere
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ultimately provided
a benefit, um, to Allison Mack
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in the form of her
increased status
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with Keith Raniere.
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I'm Allison Mack.
I'm the president of The Source.
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I'm excited to welcome you
on this journey.
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NANCY:
Someone can go from victim
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to perpetrator very quickly.
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Take Allison Mack.
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In many ways,
Allison didn't have
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a real experience growing up.
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She was an actress
from the time
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she was four or five.
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She didn't have
a normal reality.
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Just because everyone else
chooses to ignore
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the strange things that happen
in this leafy little hamlet
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doesn't mean
that they don't happen.
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NANCY:
She's a spiritual kind of being.
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She believed in tantric yoga.
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It is a sexual path
to enlightenment.
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Now, if you look at Allison,
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she is a beautiful,
beautiful woman.
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But Allison,
like a lot of women,
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had a lot of insecurities
sexually.
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And Allison truly believed
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Keith was going
to dedicate himself
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to helping her
through her sexual issues.
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Now, that may sound crazy
to you...
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but that is what
Allison believed.
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We can use our body
as a tool to access emotions,
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and the more flexible
our body can be,
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we may have more flexibility
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-in our emotions.
-Yeah.
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NANCY: And then he convinced her
to find other women
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who could do the program.
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KEITH: Uh,
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ALLISON: Mm-hmm.
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KEITH: Uh-huh.
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ALLISON: Uh-huh.
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(BOTH LAUGH)
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(KEITH CHUCKLES)
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(LAUGHS) That's--
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(KEITH CHUCKLES)
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Allison was jealous of Keith
having sex with other women,
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and she felt that she was
overcoming her problem...
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by allow-- by... by promoting
this in other women.
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So, like, here he sets up
a thing where he says,
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"How can you keep
my work all to yourself?
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What's wrong with you?
You're such a narcissist."
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And Allison is like,
"Oh, no, no, no.
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I don't wanna be a narcissist,
but I am so jealous."
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"Well, we're going
to work it through."
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"We experience our love
not needing return.
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We no longer need
to receive love to love.
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We are humble...
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(CHUCKLES)
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...and without pride."
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NANCY: And now, is Allison
a perpetrator?
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Or is Allison a victim?
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Well, Allison is a victim
who was sent out to do something
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that she believed was good,
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because she believed
Keith was good.
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And that is how he did it.
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MOIRA So, Nicole,
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how did Allison introduce
this assignment to you?
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NICOLE: One day before a walk,
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she told me to go outside
and tell Keith
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that I would do anything
that he asked me to do.
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I went outside,
and he was waiting
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out the back door
of Allison's house.
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(BREATHES DEEPLY)
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I was telling myself,
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"You can do this,
you can do this."
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And eventually I said,
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"I will do anything
you ask me to do."
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He took my hand,
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and took me into the house
across the street.
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He pointed
to these two blindfolds
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that were there,
and told me to put them on.
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He put me inside a car,
and then we drove somewhere.
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When we eventually stopped,
he came around,
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took my hand,
and took me through the woods.
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I remember stepping up on,
like, a step or two,
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and then walking through
what seemed like a front door.
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(DOOR CREAKS OPEN, CLOSES)
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When we got inside,
he told me to undress.
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Then he led me to a table,
and told me to lay back on it.
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Then he tied my wrists
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and my feet to two different
corners of the table.
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And deep down,
I was hoping that was it.
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But that was not the end.
409
00:24:52,162 --> 00:24:55,332
All of a sudden,
I felt someone going down on me.
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00:24:56,291 --> 00:24:57,500
First, I thought it was Keith,
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00:24:57,584 --> 00:25:00,378
but while I was trying
to process what was happening,
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-Keith started talking.
-KEITH: Going from...
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NICOLE:
So I was like, holy shit,
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00:25:05,050 --> 00:25:06,843
there's someone else
in the room.
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00:25:07,969 --> 00:25:09,721
It was absolutely terrifying.
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00:25:10,847 --> 00:25:14,851
And just at that moment,
I felt long hair,
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which made me feel
a tiny bit safer
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that it was a woman
and not another man in the room.
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00:25:22,567 --> 00:25:24,486
Eventually,
the oral sex stopped.
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He said what had just happened
was not bad.
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00:25:30,158 --> 00:25:34,246
And I just said, "Can I go?"
And he said, "Yes,
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00:25:34,329 --> 00:25:36,539
but don't tell anyone
what had happened."
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EMILY: It turns out that
the person who was
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performing oral sex
on Nicole was Cami.
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00:25:56,393 --> 00:25:58,812
And I recall upon learning that,
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00:25:58,895 --> 00:26:02,274
feeling, you know,
additionally horrified,
427
00:26:02,357 --> 00:26:04,150
but also realizing that
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00:26:04,234 --> 00:26:07,279
that's why Cami wasn't
a participant in the trial.
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00:26:07,362 --> 00:26:10,490
She had been turned
into a victimizer by Keith.
430
00:26:10,573 --> 00:26:14,411
And so that's just a whole
next level of-- of fucked up.
431
00:26:18,081 --> 00:26:21,042
Seeing the progression
for Camila
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from this teenage girl
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00:26:24,421 --> 00:26:29,342
to becoming this woman
willing to do very bad things
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00:26:29,426 --> 00:26:33,513
for Keith Raniere
was powerful, um, to a jury.
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00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:38,768
Keith Raniere victimized women,
436
00:26:38,852 --> 00:26:42,564
and then put them in the role
of being victimizers.
437
00:26:43,815 --> 00:26:44,941
(CAMILA LAUGHS)
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00:26:46,443 --> 00:26:52,324
At that point, I felt that
we had proven the case.
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00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:56,745
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
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MARC AGNIFILO: It's the evening
before the summations.
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Keith basically said,
he's putting his faith in me.
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00:27:15,889 --> 00:27:18,600
He says I'm resourceful
and talented, and,
444
00:27:18,683 --> 00:27:20,727
you know, he's going
to put his faith in me.
445
00:27:22,771 --> 00:27:25,857
I think the only way
that we really
446
00:27:25,940 --> 00:27:29,027
can open this jury's minds
and their hearts
447
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:31,279
to Keith's view of things
448
00:27:31,363 --> 00:27:34,657
is to go right
at the worst stuff.
449
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,457
NEWS ANCHOR 1: Closing arguments
wrapping up in what has been
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an intense case against alleged
cult leader, Keith Raniere.
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00:27:46,878 --> 00:27:48,380
NEWS ANCHOR 2:
A federal prosecutor says
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00:27:48,463 --> 00:27:51,591
Keith Raniere is a con man
and a crime boss.
453
00:27:51,674 --> 00:27:52,926
But defense attorneys say,
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00:27:53,009 --> 00:27:55,136
any sexual encounters Raniere
may have had
455
00:27:55,220 --> 00:27:57,597
with members of his self-help
group called NXIVM,
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00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:58,973
were consensual.
457
00:28:00,266 --> 00:28:02,602
NEWS ANCHOR 3: The fate of
NXIVM leader, Keith Raniere,
458
00:28:02,685 --> 00:28:04,604
now in the hands of the jury.
459
00:28:04,687 --> 00:28:06,564
The jury began
their deliberations
460
00:28:06,648 --> 00:28:09,401
just before 9:30
this morning.
461
00:28:09,484 --> 00:28:11,820
Now, there's no telling
exactly how long
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00:28:11,903 --> 00:28:14,114
the jury will take
for that verdict.
463
00:28:14,197 --> 00:28:16,074
What do you predict?
How long do you think?
464
00:28:16,157 --> 00:28:19,536
The U.S. Marshals have said that
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00:28:19,619 --> 00:28:22,080
based on their experience,
it's not going to be today.
466
00:28:22,163 --> 00:28:23,790
They said at the earliest,
tomorrow.
467
00:28:25,208 --> 00:28:26,418
In this particular case,
468
00:28:26,501 --> 00:28:28,128
let's say,
we're in the seventh week.
469
00:28:28,211 --> 00:28:31,256
We're supposed to have six days
of deliberations. I doubt it.
470
00:28:40,223 --> 00:28:41,307
(CELL PHONE BUZZES)
471
00:28:43,226 --> 00:28:45,353
Uh, the CSO just
poked his head in
472
00:28:45,437 --> 00:28:47,564
and said
we might want to come upstairs.
473
00:28:47,647 --> 00:28:48,982
Oh, fuck!
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00:28:49,732 --> 00:28:51,818
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
475
00:29:05,623 --> 00:29:07,667
(PANTING, LAUGHING)
476
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:09,252
It's gonna be good,
it's gonna be good.
477
00:29:09,335 --> 00:29:10,962
I can feel it. (LAUGHS)
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00:29:11,045 --> 00:29:13,131
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
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♪ (MUSIC STOPS) ♪
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NEWS ANCHOR 1:
A federal jury in Brooklyn
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today found
NXIVM leader Keith...
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00:29:34,694 --> 00:29:36,988
NEWS ANCHOR 2: Keith Raniere was
found guilty on all counts,
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00:29:37,071 --> 00:29:39,532
including sex trafficking,
and racketeering.
484
00:29:39,616 --> 00:29:41,159
NEWS ANCHOR 3:
Guilty of racketeering,
485
00:29:41,242 --> 00:29:42,660
guilty of conspiracy,
486
00:29:42,744 --> 00:29:45,163
wire fraud, and sex trafficking.
487
00:29:45,246 --> 00:29:46,414
-MARK VICENTE: Right.
-Right.
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00:29:46,498 --> 00:29:48,374
Fucking, like,
one after the other, man.
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00:29:48,458 --> 00:29:50,376
NEWS ANCHOR 4: The mood out here
on the streets of Brooklyn
490
00:29:50,460 --> 00:29:54,255
can best be described
as jubilant and celebratory.
491
00:29:54,339 --> 00:29:56,090
Every single woman
who came forward
492
00:29:56,174 --> 00:29:58,968
to tell their horror stories
feels vindication.
493
00:29:59,052 --> 00:30:00,762
NEWS ANCHOR 5: Some people
have been waiting decades
494
00:30:00,845 --> 00:30:03,515
to get justice
against Keith Raniere.
495
00:30:03,598 --> 00:30:06,142
I still can't believe
all counts guilty.
496
00:30:06,226 --> 00:30:08,561
I still--
That's, like, breathtaking.
497
00:30:08,645 --> 00:30:11,314
-What's up?
-SARAH EDMONSON: Oh, my God.
498
00:30:12,565 --> 00:30:14,234
MARK:
I don't know how I feel yet.
499
00:30:14,317 --> 00:30:16,069
It was fucking surreal.
500
00:30:16,152 --> 00:30:17,820
It's my belief that
the judge will give him
501
00:30:17,904 --> 00:30:19,531
a very, very heavy sentence.
502
00:30:19,614 --> 00:30:22,033
But you do realize
what this means, right?
503
00:30:22,116 --> 00:30:23,993
Like, we can change
our life now.
504
00:30:30,083 --> 00:30:35,463
These crimes ruined
marriages, careers,
505
00:30:35,547 --> 00:30:38,800
fortunes, and lives.
506
00:30:38,883 --> 00:30:41,970
Keith Raniere's crime spree
has ended,
507
00:30:42,053 --> 00:30:45,598
and his victims
will finally see justice.
508
00:30:45,682 --> 00:30:46,641
Thank you.
509
00:30:46,724 --> 00:30:50,144
(SPECTATORS APPLAUDING,
CHEERING)
510
00:30:50,228 --> 00:30:51,271
SPECTATOR: Thank you!
511
00:30:51,854 --> 00:30:53,731
(CHEERING CONTINUES)
512
00:30:55,024 --> 00:30:57,110
(SPECTATORS WHISTLE)
513
00:30:57,193 --> 00:30:59,195
(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
514
00:31:02,323 --> 00:31:05,243
Uh, no, not the result
we were hoping for. Um...
515
00:31:08,288 --> 00:31:09,414
A win in the sentence.
516
00:31:09,497 --> 00:31:11,958
That's-- It's a-- That's a
...a strange place to be,
517
00:31:12,041 --> 00:31:14,961
I mean, you know, but I think
it's the rare defendant
518
00:31:15,044 --> 00:31:19,382
that should not have the glimmer
of hope of one day living life
519
00:31:19,465 --> 00:31:22,885
as a free man,
even an elderly free man.
520
00:31:22,969 --> 00:31:27,098
Keith maintains his innocence.
He does plan on appealing,
521
00:31:27,181 --> 00:31:28,474
and we do think we have
522
00:31:28,558 --> 00:31:31,769
some substantial grounds,
um, for an appeal.
523
00:31:31,853 --> 00:31:34,647
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
524
00:31:37,442 --> 00:31:38,985
AUTOMATED VOICE:
You have a prepaid call.
525
00:31:39,861 --> 00:31:41,613
This call is from...
526
00:31:41,696 --> 00:31:43,781
-KEITH: Raniere.
-(PHONE LINE BEEPS)
527
00:32:30,912 --> 00:32:32,622
(FLASHLIGHT CLICKS)
528
00:32:34,749 --> 00:32:38,002
NICKI CLYNE: If we don't expose
the injustices
529
00:32:38,086 --> 00:32:40,296
that have happened against him,
530
00:32:40,380 --> 00:32:45,093
he will go to jail, and he will
most likely be killed.
531
00:32:47,512 --> 00:32:48,888
I know he's innocent,
532
00:32:48,971 --> 00:32:53,976
and I will fight
till I die to prove it.
533
00:32:56,479 --> 00:32:58,898
When you are being attacked,
534
00:32:59,982 --> 00:33:02,402
and it's not just you,
535
00:33:02,485 --> 00:33:05,905
it's like your--
it's your community.
536
00:33:05,988 --> 00:33:09,075
Yes, there are people
who will just
537
00:33:09,158 --> 00:33:11,536
run for their lives.
538
00:33:11,619 --> 00:33:13,663
I wouldn't be able
to live with myself
539
00:33:13,746 --> 00:33:18,376
if I just cared
about my own survival.
540
00:33:18,459 --> 00:33:21,129
It's not the kind
of world I spent
541
00:33:21,212 --> 00:33:24,924
15 years of my life
trying to build.
542
00:33:25,425 --> 00:33:27,468
(BIRDS CHIRPING)
543
00:33:29,303 --> 00:33:31,514
(FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING)
544
00:33:38,688 --> 00:33:44,736
NANCY: A lot of the people
who continue to follow Keith...
545
00:33:44,819 --> 00:33:48,322
if they acknowledge that
they were wrong about Keith...
546
00:33:49,115 --> 00:33:50,825
then they have to look at...
547
00:33:52,034 --> 00:33:54,078
how wrong they were.
548
00:33:54,162 --> 00:33:56,080
(BIRDS CHIRPING)
549
00:33:56,164 --> 00:33:58,207
NANCY:
It's like pulling out the rug
550
00:33:58,291 --> 00:34:00,501
that holds
your foundation together.
551
00:34:02,128 --> 00:34:06,758
If you're this wrong,
can you really trust yourself?
552
00:34:11,220 --> 00:34:14,348
♪ (MELLOW MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
553
00:34:16,058 --> 00:34:18,811
-NICKI: It's so hard to leave.
-Yes, it is.
554
00:34:18,895 --> 00:34:20,897
So, whose husband is he?
Yours or Michele?
555
00:34:20,980 --> 00:34:23,858
It's, uh, not my husband,
but my partner.
556
00:34:23,941 --> 00:34:25,359
-Partner?
-NICKI: Yeah, yeah.
557
00:34:27,987 --> 00:34:29,530
I mean, he's pre-sentence.
558
00:34:29,614 --> 00:34:34,285
Uh, it's-- it's a bullshit case.
So we're doing everything we can
559
00:34:34,368 --> 00:34:36,662
to get the truth out
and get him out.
560
00:34:43,252 --> 00:34:47,131
NICKI: If I did what my lawyer
advised me to do,
561
00:34:47,215 --> 00:34:50,301
I'd be living with my mom
in Canada,
562
00:34:50,384 --> 00:34:53,513
and not talking
to any of my friends.
563
00:34:53,596 --> 00:34:56,432
I mean, I was pursued
by the federal government
564
00:34:56,516 --> 00:34:57,892
for two years.
565
00:34:57,975 --> 00:34:59,268
Um,
566
00:34:59,352 --> 00:35:02,522
there's a possibility
they may still arrest me
567
00:35:02,605 --> 00:35:04,440
because I'm doing this.
568
00:35:05,108 --> 00:35:07,151
But at this point,
569
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:09,570
Keith's sentencing is coming up,
570
00:35:09,654 --> 00:35:11,906
and we have
to do something.
571
00:35:16,035 --> 00:35:17,995
-(PAPERS RUSTLING)
-EDUARDO ASUNSOLO: Okay.
572
00:35:20,164 --> 00:35:21,290
Yeah, so, dude, so we're--
573
00:35:21,374 --> 00:35:23,543
we're going to be serving
the affidavit today.
574
00:35:24,335 --> 00:35:25,753
Yeah, "holy shit" is right.
575
00:35:27,922 --> 00:35:31,676
We're going to serve
the prosecutors
576
00:35:31,759 --> 00:35:35,388
in Keith's case
with the affidavit.
577
00:35:35,471 --> 00:35:37,473
NICKI: Keith talked
all about the affidavit
578
00:35:37,557 --> 00:35:40,309
with Suneel,
over months and months.
579
00:35:40,393 --> 00:35:42,353
It lays out statements
580
00:35:42,436 --> 00:35:45,648
that any prosecutor
should be able to affirm.
581
00:35:45,731 --> 00:35:47,441
KEITH:
We didn't tamper with evidence.
582
00:35:47,525 --> 00:35:48,901
NICKI:
I did not lie to the court.
583
00:35:48,985 --> 00:35:50,194
I did not lie to the public.
584
00:35:50,278 --> 00:35:52,947
Basically, give
this person a fair trial.
585
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:54,866
MICHELE HATCHETTE:
The goal is to get
586
00:35:54,949 --> 00:35:57,201
the sentencing dismissed
587
00:35:57,285 --> 00:35:59,370
by putting pressure on the judge
588
00:35:59,453 --> 00:36:02,039
through the media. You know,
that should be cause enough
589
00:36:02,123 --> 00:36:03,708
for the judge to say,
"You know what?
590
00:36:03,791 --> 00:36:05,334
We need to put sentencing off."
591
00:36:06,544 --> 00:36:07,879
-SUPPORTER: Hey!
-SUNEEL: That's great. Okay.
592
00:36:07,962 --> 00:36:09,589
-Shall we roll, guys?
-MARC ELLIOT: Let's roll.
593
00:36:09,672 --> 00:36:11,465
-It's time?
-MARC: Let's do it.
594
00:36:14,677 --> 00:36:17,597
NICKI: We are going
to Moira Penza's office
595
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,224
to deliver the affidavit to her.
596
00:36:22,685 --> 00:36:25,396
So we're trying to make it
so that we all go up.
597
00:36:25,479 --> 00:36:27,106
MICHELE: Or Nicki and I can go.
598
00:36:27,732 --> 00:36:29,317
I mean, yeah. My...
599
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:34,572
I want to go. I-- Strategically,
I don't want to fuck myself.
600
00:36:34,655 --> 00:36:36,157
That's the only thing, like...
601
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:39,493
Yeah, we're just downstairs.
602
00:36:39,577 --> 00:36:41,954
We wanted to deliver
a document to the firm.
603
00:36:43,497 --> 00:36:45,750
MOIRA:
So I got a call from
604
00:36:45,833 --> 00:36:48,002
an employee
in my New York office,
605
00:36:48,085 --> 00:36:51,255
who said that there was
606
00:36:51,339 --> 00:36:56,302
somebody asking
to go upstairs at our offices.
607
00:36:56,385 --> 00:36:58,888
-VOICE ON PHONE: Who is it?
-Yes, it's Eduardo.
608
00:37:00,222 --> 00:37:04,477
MOIRA: A person I knew
to be a member of NXIVM
609
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,229
is in my lobby trying
to get upstairs.
610
00:37:08,689 --> 00:37:10,942
With COVID, I'm one
of the only people
611
00:37:11,025 --> 00:37:13,235
who goes
into my New York office.
612
00:37:14,570 --> 00:37:18,449
So the idea that that was
happening was frightening.
613
00:37:18,532 --> 00:37:23,371
I sent a cease and desist email
to Marc Agnifilo that night,
614
00:37:23,454 --> 00:37:26,248
letting him know
that if anyone else
615
00:37:26,332 --> 00:37:31,754
from NXIVM came to my office
at Keith Raniere's direction,
616
00:37:31,837 --> 00:37:34,048
that I would be taking
additional steps
617
00:37:34,131 --> 00:37:35,424
to protect my safety.
618
00:37:36,676 --> 00:37:37,843
SUNEEL:
You could text it to her.
619
00:37:37,927 --> 00:37:39,720
NICKI: Or her email.
You're sending her
620
00:37:39,804 --> 00:37:41,097
an email, right?
SUNEEL: Subject line,
621
00:37:41,180 --> 00:37:43,599
"Will you support
public accountability?"
622
00:37:43,683 --> 00:37:45,685
-There you go.
-NICKI: That's nicer, yeah.
623
00:37:45,768 --> 00:37:47,186
I think we really don't want,
624
00:37:47,269 --> 00:37:49,855
in any way, to come across
as threatening or--
625
00:37:49,939 --> 00:37:51,482
Well, it literally says
626
00:37:51,565 --> 00:37:53,442
"dirty prosecution"
on our website.
627
00:37:55,361 --> 00:37:57,571
I don't even know how
to describe it, frankly.
628
00:37:57,655 --> 00:38:00,700
(LAUGHS NERVOUSLY)
I mean, it's-- it's a...
629
00:38:01,534 --> 00:38:04,453
I've never seen such a document,
630
00:38:04,537 --> 00:38:06,998
or anything like that
in any other case.
631
00:38:07,081 --> 00:38:12,086
I mean, every single day
that we stood up in court,
632
00:38:12,169 --> 00:38:15,756
everything was done
with so much process.
633
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,219
I mean, Keith Raniere had
the best defense money can buy.
634
00:38:20,302 --> 00:38:22,930
All of this is, is a sideshow,
635
00:38:23,014 --> 00:38:25,850
and this is exactly
how Keith Raniere operates.
636
00:38:25,933 --> 00:38:27,810
And this is just
more manipulation
637
00:38:27,893 --> 00:38:29,895
by Keith Raniere
and his followers.
638
00:38:31,147 --> 00:38:33,232
-Ready to go?
-Ready to go!
639
00:38:33,315 --> 00:38:35,693
-Do it!
-Sent!
640
00:38:35,776 --> 00:38:37,862
Okay, let's get an email
out to the press, ASAP.
641
00:38:37,945 --> 00:38:39,572
-Let's go.
-EDUARDO: Vámonos.
642
00:38:41,782 --> 00:38:43,784
MICHELE: Whoo!
Tonight's going to be lit.
643
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,580
-(CAR HORN BLARING)
-(BASS-HEAVY TECHNO PLAYING)
644
00:38:49,957 --> 00:38:52,501
(PRISONERS CHEERING, WHISTLING)
645
00:38:54,462 --> 00:38:56,672
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES PLAYING) ♪
646
00:39:13,773 --> 00:39:15,149
(BASS-HEAVY TECHNO FADING)
647
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,821
♪ (TENDER ORCHESTRAL MUSIC) ♪
648
00:39:21,155 --> 00:39:22,907
SUNEEL:
649
00:39:39,799 --> 00:39:44,845
♪ (MUSIC BUILDS) ♪
650
00:39:54,355 --> 00:39:56,816
(BASS-HEAVY TECHNO RESUMES)
651
00:40:05,116 --> 00:40:08,702
♪ (BASS-HEAVY
TECHNO MUSIC FADES) ♪
652
00:40:11,580 --> 00:40:13,791
(EXHALES HEAVILY)
653
00:40:18,712 --> 00:40:19,880
Um...
654
00:40:21,215 --> 00:40:23,467
I just got an email from...
655
00:40:24,885 --> 00:40:29,223
my lawyer saying he, uh,
can't defend me anymore.
656
00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:34,353
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
657
00:40:37,106 --> 00:40:41,652
Uh, he says that I've engaged
in too many actions
658
00:40:41,735 --> 00:40:43,362
contrary to his advice.
659
00:40:48,284 --> 00:40:50,369
I'm-- (VOICE CRACKS)
I'm just shocked.
660
00:40:54,415 --> 00:40:55,583
(INHALES DEEPLY)
661
00:40:56,542 --> 00:40:58,085
(EXHALES)
662
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:01,922
(BIRDS TWEETING)
663
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,802
(CAT PURRING)
664
00:41:08,721 --> 00:41:11,265
(PURRS)
665
00:41:11,348 --> 00:41:13,184
NANCY:
I'm waiting for my sentencing.
666
00:41:15,269 --> 00:41:17,855
Lauren and I
will be sentenced after Keith.
667
00:41:21,108 --> 00:41:23,527
I'm scared for Lauren,
and I'm scared for me.
668
00:41:27,698 --> 00:41:30,784
And so, I'm going home
to see my parents.
669
00:41:40,753 --> 00:41:43,422
When I was working
with Keith,
670
00:41:43,505 --> 00:41:45,591
I was very committed
to what I was doing,
671
00:41:45,674 --> 00:41:48,093
and I would work
until I fell into bed at night.
672
00:41:48,177 --> 00:41:50,846
And I didn't see
my parents a lot.
673
00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:53,140
And part of the reason
I didn't see my parents
674
00:41:53,224 --> 00:41:55,100
was because...
675
00:41:55,184 --> 00:41:58,729
he didn't like when
I wasn't focused on my work.
676
00:41:59,980 --> 00:42:03,651
When all of-- everything
started to fall apart,
677
00:42:03,734 --> 00:42:07,655
I started to come home more,
and I realized that my parents
678
00:42:07,738 --> 00:42:08,781
were not doing well.
679
00:42:10,616 --> 00:42:14,119
I mean, who has their parents
at 91 and 92?
680
00:42:20,668 --> 00:42:22,711
I don't want to give you
681
00:42:22,795 --> 00:42:24,463
something sweet
to eat with your coffee
682
00:42:24,546 --> 00:42:26,090
like you usually have
683
00:42:26,173 --> 00:42:27,967
because I want
to make these eggs
684
00:42:28,050 --> 00:42:29,426
that are very unique,
685
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:32,137
and I think you're going
to like them. And some bagels?
686
00:42:32,221 --> 00:42:34,598
So we'll eat bagels
and eggs in a little bit.
687
00:42:34,682 --> 00:42:37,726
I am the boss.
That's right, I'm the boss.
688
00:42:37,810 --> 00:42:41,146
-Nancy's my boss.
-(NANCY LAUGHS)
689
00:42:41,230 --> 00:42:44,650
NANCY: I feel like every minute
I have is like a gift.
690
00:42:48,696 --> 00:42:49,780
-Nancy?
-NANCY: Yeah.
691
00:42:49,863 --> 00:42:53,284
-Can I have the computer?
-NANCY: Yes.
692
00:42:53,367 --> 00:42:56,704
When my father was
in the hospital, he almost died.
693
00:42:58,330 --> 00:42:59,832
Let me fix your pillow.
It doesn't look good.
694
00:42:59,915 --> 00:43:01,375
-I like that.
-You like that?
695
00:43:01,458 --> 00:43:02,584
How about this little one?
696
00:43:02,668 --> 00:43:05,504
I love this little pillow
for you. Instead of this.
697
00:43:05,587 --> 00:43:08,799
I asked the doctor if I could
take him home to die.
698
00:43:10,134 --> 00:43:11,176
And when he came home
699
00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:14,596
and I started taking care
of him, he got better.
700
00:43:15,723 --> 00:43:18,225
-Yeah, that's good.
-That's good?
701
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:22,021
-NANCY'S FATHER: Okay.
-Okay, perfect. That was good.
702
00:43:22,104 --> 00:43:24,398
I would give you
an E for excellent.
703
00:43:24,481 --> 00:43:27,067
-NANCY: An E for excellent.
-(BOTH LAUGH)
704
00:43:27,151 --> 00:43:28,610
NANCY:
Being in his own surroundings
705
00:43:28,694 --> 00:43:31,572
and being with his wife,
is why he's alive.
706
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:34,992
I'm certain that
they won't survive
707
00:43:35,075 --> 00:43:38,078
if they go
into a nursing facility.
708
00:43:40,789 --> 00:43:43,083
And if I go to jail,
they have to.
709
00:43:48,297 --> 00:43:51,008
So I just got this
from my lawyer.
710
00:43:51,967 --> 00:43:54,219
This is the sentencing date
schedule.
711
00:43:55,387 --> 00:43:57,306
"Delaying until
after the holidays
712
00:43:57,389 --> 00:43:58,640
is not a problem at all.
713
00:43:58,724 --> 00:44:02,061
I hope Miss Salzman is able
to enjoy her holidays at least."
714
00:44:02,144 --> 00:44:03,520
So that's nice.
715
00:44:03,604 --> 00:44:08,692
Or maybe she means, at least.
I don't know what she means.
716
00:44:10,152 --> 00:44:11,987
"I mostly want
to confirm the info
717
00:44:12,071 --> 00:44:14,823
that Miss Salzman provided.
And also,
718
00:44:14,907 --> 00:44:16,700
if you're comfortable
with her discussing
719
00:44:16,784 --> 00:44:18,577
her personal relationships,
720
00:44:18,660 --> 00:44:20,329
I think it would be useful
for the court
721
00:44:20,412 --> 00:44:22,664
to put Miss Salzman's
personal relationship
722
00:44:22,748 --> 00:44:25,459
with Mr. Raniere in context."
723
00:44:29,588 --> 00:44:31,715
So best case scenario,
obviously, is...
724
00:44:32,674 --> 00:44:35,552
you're not going to jail.
(LAUGHS)
725
00:44:35,636 --> 00:44:38,430
I can't even believe these words
are coming out of my mouth.
726
00:44:38,514 --> 00:44:42,434
You're not going to jail.
Worst case is anything else.
727
00:44:42,518 --> 00:44:45,104
(LAUGHS) For me.
728
00:44:47,564 --> 00:44:49,441
You know,
my biggest concern is that
729
00:44:49,525 --> 00:44:52,903
if I go to jail, somebody has
to take care of my parents.
730
00:44:54,363 --> 00:44:56,949
And that's the scariest part
for me.
731
00:44:57,032 --> 00:44:58,283
-Hello.
-NANCY'S MOM: These yours?
732
00:44:58,367 --> 00:45:00,619
-NANCY: No, they're yours.
-Whose are they?
733
00:45:00,702 --> 00:45:01,995
NANCY: They're yours.
734
00:45:05,499 --> 00:45:07,918
-I don't think so.
-NANCY: Yeah, they're yours.
735
00:45:11,505 --> 00:45:14,383
I think we should
be talking about this right now.
736
00:45:19,555 --> 00:45:22,474
I never talk about this
in front of her.
737
00:45:22,558 --> 00:45:24,560
Just so you guys know. Never.
738
00:45:26,186 --> 00:45:28,772
It will not be until
it's about to happen,
739
00:45:28,856 --> 00:45:30,441
that it'll be a discussion.
740
00:45:32,317 --> 00:45:33,444
(SNIFFS)
741
00:45:35,112 --> 00:45:39,116
Was she listening?
Okay. 'Cause she does.
742
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,869
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
743
00:45:48,542 --> 00:45:50,627
There's something
I've never told people.
744
00:45:52,296 --> 00:45:54,131
But I think I have to say...
745
00:45:56,175 --> 00:45:57,301
it's very hard.
746
00:45:58,677 --> 00:46:03,265
My lawyers told me I should
write a letter to the judge.
747
00:46:03,348 --> 00:46:05,017
I'm going to read you
parts of it.
748
00:46:07,311 --> 00:46:10,147
"So in the early days,
I was totally honest with Keith.
749
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:12,316
So he learned a lot
about my depression.
750
00:46:12,399 --> 00:46:14,902
I told him about my
relationship problems,
751
00:46:14,985 --> 00:46:16,612
and Keith instructed me
752
00:46:16,695 --> 00:46:18,447
not to get
into another relationship
753
00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:20,532
until I work
my dependency issues.
754
00:46:21,575 --> 00:46:23,869
Then he became
very affectionate toward me,
755
00:46:23,952 --> 00:46:26,163
and made sexual advances.
756
00:46:26,246 --> 00:46:28,332
He did not force me in any way.
757
00:46:28,415 --> 00:46:30,667
It was a very brief
sexual relationship.
758
00:46:32,711 --> 00:46:35,047
He abruptly ended
our physical relationship,
759
00:46:35,130 --> 00:46:37,549
and he asked me to commit
760
00:46:37,633 --> 00:46:39,635
to never beginning
another relationship
761
00:46:39,718 --> 00:46:42,638
with anyone or getting involved
with another man
762
00:46:42,721 --> 00:46:44,515
without discussing it
with him first."
763
00:46:45,807 --> 00:46:48,143
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
764
00:46:48,227 --> 00:46:49,394
So I just...
765
00:46:49,478 --> 00:46:52,022
I never had another
relationship for 20 years.
766
00:46:55,234 --> 00:46:56,485
(SIGHS)
767
00:46:57,277 --> 00:46:58,612
Buried myself in my work.
768
00:47:02,616 --> 00:47:05,702
I think I felt tremendous shame.
769
00:47:08,831 --> 00:47:10,707
I didn't sleep with
a lot of people in my life.
770
00:47:10,791 --> 00:47:14,253
It's not like
that was something I did...
771
00:47:15,295 --> 00:47:16,922
but there was always this...
772
00:47:18,632 --> 00:47:22,636
thing where he had
all these relationships,
773
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:27,182
but he didn't with me.
And it wasn't that I wanted to
774
00:47:27,266 --> 00:47:30,394
have a relationship with him,
but it always was like,
775
00:47:30,477 --> 00:47:34,398
why did he do that to me?
And I always felt ashamed of it.
776
00:47:34,481 --> 00:47:36,149
And he never wanted
anyone to know.
777
00:47:38,193 --> 00:47:40,070
But it felt worse
when he started having sex
778
00:47:40,153 --> 00:47:41,196
with my daughter.
779
00:47:49,204 --> 00:47:51,748
(SEAGULLS SQUAWKING)
780
00:47:53,542 --> 00:47:55,252
(CAR HORN HONKS)
781
00:47:55,335 --> 00:47:56,461
(NICKI HUMMING)
782
00:47:58,922 --> 00:48:00,799
(TRILLS LIPS)
783
00:48:00,882 --> 00:48:03,510
This is always my problem.
Nothing.
784
00:48:03,594 --> 00:48:08,307
The media, we hope,
will expose the injustices
785
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:09,766
in Keith's case.
786
00:48:11,018 --> 00:48:15,230
So we have our first
on-camera interview
787
00:48:15,314 --> 00:48:16,857
with a major news outlet.
788
00:48:19,401 --> 00:48:20,944
It's a big deal.
789
00:48:22,904 --> 00:48:24,948
NIKKI BATTISTE:
Mark, Suneel, Eduardo,
790
00:48:25,032 --> 00:48:28,035
Michele, and Nicki
have not spoken publicly
791
00:48:28,118 --> 00:48:30,954
about their time
in NXIVM until now.
792
00:48:31,038 --> 00:48:34,333
Raise your hand if you are
or were a member of DOS.
793
00:48:37,127 --> 00:48:39,755
-During Raniere's trial...
-This is not good for her.
794
00:48:39,838 --> 00:48:42,299
...a former member of DOS said
she was a recruiter for Raniere.
795
00:48:42,382 --> 00:48:45,469
We're not denying
that certain things,
796
00:48:45,552 --> 00:48:49,723
uh, took place. There's evidence
that certain things happened.
797
00:48:49,806 --> 00:48:51,808
How they happened,
why they happened,
798
00:48:51,892 --> 00:48:53,935
and why certain people
chose them,
799
00:48:54,019 --> 00:48:55,771
that's a whole
other conversation.
800
00:48:55,854 --> 00:48:57,356
Were women in DOS
801
00:48:57,439 --> 00:48:59,358
having sexual relations
with Keith?
802
00:48:59,441 --> 00:49:02,152
Did either of you have
sexual relations with Keith?
803
00:49:02,235 --> 00:49:03,779
We want to talk about DOS.
804
00:49:03,862 --> 00:49:05,113
-That's a yes or no question.
-Yeah.
805
00:49:05,197 --> 00:49:07,366
And I just want
to step back a little bit,
806
00:49:07,449 --> 00:49:11,244
because, you know, if I went up
to you and I asked you,
807
00:49:11,328 --> 00:49:13,372
"How many people
have you had sex with?"
808
00:49:13,455 --> 00:49:14,539
It's none of my business.
809
00:49:14,623 --> 00:49:16,458
NIKKI: On Friday,
the group delivered
810
00:49:16,541 --> 00:49:18,001
an affidavit to prosecutors
811
00:49:18,085 --> 00:49:20,587
asking them to affirm
they acted ethically.
812
00:49:20,671 --> 00:49:23,715
Federal prosecutors declined
to comment on the allegations
813
00:49:23,799 --> 00:49:26,718
and the affidavit,
but they shared a court filing
814
00:49:26,802 --> 00:49:29,554
containing emails that appear
to show Keith Raniere
815
00:49:29,638 --> 00:49:32,432
helped orchestrate
the affidavit from prison.
816
00:49:32,516 --> 00:49:35,227
A lawyer representing
dozens of Raniere's victims
817
00:49:35,310 --> 00:49:37,479
calls the affidavit
"a publicity stunt."
818
00:49:40,023 --> 00:49:42,109
I don't know
what to say to that.
819
00:49:44,486 --> 00:49:46,530
-It's not going to end well.
-SARAH: Nope.
820
00:49:47,406 --> 00:49:48,407
'Cause they're just lying
821
00:49:48,490 --> 00:49:49,783
in order to maintain
their narrative.
822
00:49:49,866 --> 00:49:54,663
They have to make
so many people's truth,
823
00:49:54,746 --> 00:49:57,624
abuse, and stories, fiction.
824
00:49:57,708 --> 00:50:00,669
And there's a Mount Everest
of intel,
825
00:50:00,752 --> 00:50:04,548
that they just have
to attack the process
826
00:50:04,631 --> 00:50:05,590
of the courts
827
00:50:05,674 --> 00:50:08,135
and attack the character
of the people.
828
00:50:08,218 --> 00:50:10,846
Rather than refute
seven counts, convicted.
829
00:50:10,929 --> 00:50:12,472
Yeah. They couldn't even
answer the questions.
830
00:50:12,556 --> 00:50:13,849
They can't. They don't.
831
00:50:13,932 --> 00:50:17,102
And that's why they're having
their trial outside the trial.
832
00:50:20,313 --> 00:50:23,316
NEWS ANCHOR: Only on
CBS This Morning, Nikki Battiste
833
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,444
spoke with supporters
of the Raniere and they claim
834
00:50:25,527 --> 00:50:28,530
he should not have been
convicted in the first place.
835
00:50:28,613 --> 00:50:30,532
If you could go back,
would you still have
836
00:50:30,615 --> 00:50:33,744
been involved
with Keith and NXIVM?
837
00:50:33,827 --> 00:50:37,247
Yeah. I wouldn't trade any
of my experiences for anything.
838
00:50:39,166 --> 00:50:40,208
NEWS ANCHOR: Federal pro--
839
00:50:45,130 --> 00:50:50,135
I haven't seen Nicki in years,
but for whatever reason,
840
00:50:50,218 --> 00:50:53,263
she can't see
that this isn't good for her.
841
00:50:55,724 --> 00:50:59,186
I think she's in a battle
with her own mind
842
00:50:59,269 --> 00:51:02,147
I think all of the people
who are still loyal to him
843
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:04,733
are having an internal struggle.
844
00:51:14,451 --> 00:51:19,331
So these people have
some belief
845
00:51:19,414 --> 00:51:23,210
that he didn't do
anything bad.
846
00:51:25,420 --> 00:51:29,007
What I've heard is, "I never had
a bad experience with Keith"
847
00:51:29,090 --> 00:51:31,760
and therefore, it's like saying,
848
00:51:31,843 --> 00:51:36,056
"I never had a bad experience
you know, in the ocean,
849
00:51:36,139 --> 00:51:38,850
so it's impossible
I could drown."
850
00:51:38,934 --> 00:51:42,145
"I never had a bad experience
with Keith Raniere personally
851
00:51:42,229 --> 00:51:45,899
and my experience
is my experience."
852
00:51:45,982 --> 00:51:48,527
And I say to them,
853
00:51:48,610 --> 00:51:51,154
"And my experience
is my experience."
854
00:52:00,372 --> 00:52:02,165
Most mornings
he would come over,
855
00:52:02,249 --> 00:52:03,959
and I would make him breakfast.
856
00:52:05,752 --> 00:52:08,004
He would stay, like, a while.
857
00:52:11,216 --> 00:52:13,969
And he'd get a bunch of calls
from all of these people.
858
00:52:14,052 --> 00:52:15,053
Hello.
859
00:52:15,136 --> 00:52:17,222
And he would tell them all
he was at my house.
860
00:52:17,305 --> 00:52:19,599
They must have thought
he was working...
861
00:52:20,892 --> 00:52:22,561
but he was never working.
862
00:52:22,644 --> 00:52:25,772
He was usually laying
on my couch after he ate.
863
00:52:28,358 --> 00:52:31,653
He came to my house
on this particular morning,
864
00:52:31,736 --> 00:52:35,949
and he said,
"I need you to do something."
865
00:52:36,032 --> 00:52:37,993
And I said, "What?"
And he said...
866
00:52:39,619 --> 00:52:41,037
"Pam had an accident.
867
00:52:41,955 --> 00:52:43,748
Would you change the bed?"
868
00:52:44,457 --> 00:52:47,127
Pam was wasting away.
869
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:50,046
You know what people look like
when they're dying of cancer?
870
00:52:50,130 --> 00:52:52,299
It was very clear she was dying.
871
00:52:52,382 --> 00:52:55,719
And I said, "Of course."
I mean, I'm a nurse.
872
00:52:55,802 --> 00:52:57,220
And I started asking questions.
873
00:52:57,304 --> 00:52:59,598
"You don't have to go
right now, it's okay."
874
00:52:59,681 --> 00:53:03,268
And I said, "Well,
if she's in a wet bed,
875
00:53:03,351 --> 00:53:06,563
let me go change it. I don't
want her to get a bedsore.
876
00:53:06,646 --> 00:53:10,108
She can't get out of bed."
And he said,
877
00:53:10,191 --> 00:53:12,944
"She's fine. Make me breakfast."
878
00:53:15,655 --> 00:53:17,449
So I made him breakfast,
and then,
879
00:53:17,532 --> 00:53:20,243
as he was eating, I said,
"Why don't I go now?"
880
00:53:20,327 --> 00:53:23,747
"No," he said, "You can sit
and talk with me."
881
00:53:23,830 --> 00:53:26,374
So I thought it wasn't,
like, an urgent thing.
882
00:53:27,876 --> 00:53:29,085
I get there...
883
00:53:30,754 --> 00:53:33,214
and she had defecated...
884
00:53:35,550 --> 00:53:40,305
all over herself,
and he let her stay in that
885
00:53:40,388 --> 00:53:43,016
while he ate breakfast
in my house.
886
00:53:45,727 --> 00:53:48,980
I felt so upset
887
00:53:49,064 --> 00:53:52,192
that he would let her
stay that way.
888
00:53:53,777 --> 00:53:58,281
And she was out of it.
889
00:53:58,365 --> 00:54:00,283
She was really out of it.
890
00:54:00,367 --> 00:54:03,119
She wasn't unconscious.
Her eyes kept opening,
891
00:54:03,203 --> 00:54:06,206
but they were kind of unfocused.
892
00:54:06,289 --> 00:54:10,502
And I said, "We have to call
an ambulance. She's dying."
893
00:54:14,130 --> 00:54:17,175
It wasn't the same after that
with me, with him.
894
00:54:20,136 --> 00:54:24,140
He doesn't care about any of us.
It was very clear to me.
895
00:54:27,227 --> 00:54:29,813
This bottle is very valuable
to me right now
896
00:54:29,896 --> 00:54:32,107
because I'm thirsty
and there's water in it.
897
00:54:32,190 --> 00:54:35,986
But when I'm not thirsty, I can
just put it down and walk away.
898
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:37,737
That's how Keith treated us.
899
00:54:41,408 --> 00:54:43,326
People are utilities to Keith.
900
00:54:44,577 --> 00:54:45,745
That's it.
901
00:54:47,247 --> 00:54:54,045
-♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
-(SIRENS WAILING)
902
00:54:54,129 --> 00:54:55,672
AUTOMATIC VOICE:
You have a prepaid call.
903
00:54:55,755 --> 00:54:57,382
This call is from...
904
00:54:57,465 --> 00:54:58,550
KEITH: Raniere.
905
00:54:58,633 --> 00:54:59,801
(PHONE BEEPS)
906
00:55:27,787 --> 00:55:30,582
NICKI:
We're meeting with a journalist,
907
00:55:30,665 --> 00:55:32,876
and as far as I know,
she's a freelancer.
908
00:55:32,959 --> 00:55:36,129
But the bylines that I saw
were with Rolling Stone
909
00:55:36,212 --> 00:55:38,631
and The New Republic.
910
00:55:38,715 --> 00:55:41,342
Hopefully, she can be
someone who can
911
00:55:41,426 --> 00:55:43,553
bring a counterweight
912
00:55:43,636 --> 00:55:46,723
to the hate that
we're experiencing.
913
00:55:46,806 --> 00:55:48,433
AMANDA ROBB:
Talk to me about your story.
914
00:55:50,185 --> 00:55:53,354
NICKI: Right now,
there's so much salaciousness,
915
00:55:53,438 --> 00:55:56,608
scandal, like,
all of this bullshit
916
00:55:56,691 --> 00:55:59,527
that-- like,
even the word "cult,"
917
00:55:59,611 --> 00:56:02,655
like, what is that?
What is a sex cult?
918
00:56:02,739 --> 00:56:07,035
We want brave journalists
that want to cover it with us.
919
00:56:07,118 --> 00:56:08,870
AMANDA:
I think that-- I personally--
920
00:56:08,953 --> 00:56:10,288
No one is going to buy the story
921
00:56:10,371 --> 00:56:11,748
that you guys want
to tell right now.
922
00:56:11,831 --> 00:56:13,041
It's just not going to happen.
923
00:56:14,209 --> 00:56:17,128
There is an article to be
written about
924
00:56:17,212 --> 00:56:20,465
how you guys are going
to rebuild your lives now.
925
00:56:20,548 --> 00:56:22,634
Like, you are obviously people
that need to be
926
00:56:22,717 --> 00:56:25,678
part of something bigger
than yourselves.
927
00:56:25,762 --> 00:56:30,767
And you are still very much
in the middle of that process.
928
00:56:31,684 --> 00:56:34,145
Keith hasn't been sentenced...
929
00:56:34,229 --> 00:56:36,606
and I imagine you guys are
going to have to figure out
930
00:56:36,689 --> 00:56:39,818
what you're doing for work,
who you're going to be,
931
00:56:39,901 --> 00:56:42,070
what your intimate relationships
are going to be,
932
00:56:42,153 --> 00:56:43,196
how you're going to live,
933
00:56:43,279 --> 00:56:44,823
how you're going
to support yourself.
934
00:56:46,199 --> 00:56:49,077
I'm willing to go on
that journey with you,
935
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,913
but if you want
that kind of story told,
936
00:56:51,996 --> 00:56:53,623
that's what it's going to take.
937
00:57:03,675 --> 00:57:05,176
NEWS ANCHOR 1:
Happening tomorrow,
938
00:57:05,260 --> 00:57:07,804
sentencing day for disgraced
Upstate New York's
939
00:57:07,887 --> 00:57:09,639
self-improvement guru.
940
00:57:09,722 --> 00:57:11,224
NEWS ANCHOR 2:
Keith Raniere was convicted
941
00:57:11,307 --> 00:57:15,854
of turning women into sex slaves
in his NXIVM organization.
942
00:57:15,937 --> 00:57:18,690
NEWS ANCHOR 3: A judge
will consider impact statements
943
00:57:18,773 --> 00:57:20,775
from over 100 victims.
944
00:57:27,323 --> 00:57:28,366
(NANCY GASPS)
945
00:57:32,412 --> 00:57:35,498
Camila is going to appear
at Keith's sentencing,
946
00:57:35,582 --> 00:57:38,835
and she filed
a victim statement.
947
00:57:38,918 --> 00:57:40,879
The government expects
that Camila will attend
948
00:57:40,962 --> 00:57:43,590
Raniere's sentencing
on October 27th,
949
00:57:43,673 --> 00:57:47,135
and may wish to address
the court further at that time.
950
00:57:47,635 --> 00:57:49,220
That's amazing.
951
00:57:51,973 --> 00:57:53,099
I'm a bit shocked.
952
00:57:54,642 --> 00:57:56,811
I never thought she would turn.
953
00:57:56,895 --> 00:57:59,147
I thought that
she was still supporting him.
954
00:57:59,230 --> 00:58:01,983
♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
955
00:58:03,484 --> 00:58:05,445
NANCY: I think this is going to
956
00:58:05,528 --> 00:58:07,405
impact the ones
he does have left.
957
00:58:09,657 --> 00:58:10,700
It has to.
958
00:58:21,878 --> 00:58:25,215
Yeah, when I read
the filing about...
959
00:58:25,298 --> 00:58:29,093
um, Cami being at
the sentencing...
960
00:58:31,054 --> 00:58:32,263
I was shocked.
961
00:58:34,224 --> 00:58:38,269
So, I don't... I imagine
it's going to be very damaging.
962
00:58:39,812 --> 00:58:43,191
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
963
00:58:46,569 --> 00:58:49,948
Yeah, I feel sick to my stomach
pretty much all the time.
964
00:58:51,532 --> 00:58:52,533
And...
965
00:59:00,166 --> 00:59:03,002
Yeah, I don't know.
I think today in particular,
966
00:59:03,086 --> 00:59:08,633
I just feel... more.
I think that sometimes
967
00:59:08,716 --> 00:59:11,469
the work can be
a bit of a distraction
968
00:59:11,552 --> 00:59:15,556
from why we're doing it
in the first place, and...
969
00:59:17,141 --> 00:59:21,312
um, from feeling the pain
of what's happened
970
00:59:21,396 --> 00:59:22,647
to our friends.
971
00:59:22,730 --> 00:59:26,985
And... sometimes
it catches up with you.
972
00:59:33,283 --> 00:59:35,326
♪ (MUSIC FADING) ♪
973
00:59:35,410 --> 00:59:36,661
NEWS ANCHOR:
Convicted sex cult leader,
974
00:59:36,744 --> 00:59:39,080
Keith Raniere,
is expected to be sentenced.
975
00:59:39,163 --> 00:59:41,124
NEWS ANCHOR 2: The charges
he was convicted of include
976
00:59:41,207 --> 00:59:45,878
racketeering, sex trafficking,
sexual exploitation of a child.
977
00:59:45,962 --> 00:59:48,047
NEWS ANCHOR 3: Federal
prosecutors have asked that
978
00:59:48,131 --> 00:59:52,051
Raniere face life in prison.
However, his defense lawyers say
979
00:59:52,135 --> 00:59:56,472
that something like 15 years
would more suit his crime.
980
00:59:56,556 --> 00:59:59,017
NEWS ANCHOR 4: Today in court,
he will be listening to hours
981
00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:00,685
of statements
from some of his victims
982
01:00:00,768 --> 01:00:03,646
and to a judge
who could put him away for good.
983
01:00:11,571 --> 01:00:15,491
MARC: It might be the hardest
day of my professional career.
984
01:00:15,575 --> 01:00:18,328
Keith ends almost every
one of our meetings,
985
01:00:18,411 --> 01:00:20,121
"My life is in your hands."
986
01:00:27,128 --> 01:00:29,630
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
987
01:00:40,725 --> 01:00:43,227
JUDGE: This is the sentencing
of Keith Raniere,
988
01:00:43,311 --> 01:00:46,689
who was convicted by a jury
of numerous counts.
989
01:00:46,773 --> 01:00:49,150
We have victim statements
that will be made
990
01:00:49,233 --> 01:00:51,819
either in person,
or by video or audio.
991
01:00:53,029 --> 01:00:54,864
You may proceed
when you are ready.
992
01:00:58,284 --> 01:01:01,704
VERO JASPEADO: I was used
and manipulated for ten years.
993
01:01:01,788 --> 01:01:04,123
Ten years that
I just can't recover.
994
01:01:05,625 --> 01:01:07,877
My innocence and my strong will
to better things
995
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,171
in the world
was used against me.
996
01:01:11,881 --> 01:01:14,842
You used to tell me
the antidote for pride
997
01:01:15,385 --> 01:01:16,761
is humiliation.
998
01:01:18,513 --> 01:01:21,057
The most productive humiliation
999
01:01:21,140 --> 01:01:25,978
is obtained through obedience,
and it leads to true freedom.
1000
01:01:27,105 --> 01:01:30,525
Well, now you have
that opportunity in your hands.
1001
01:01:34,445 --> 01:01:36,656
DANIELA:
You abused my innocent body,
1002
01:01:36,739 --> 01:01:38,324
you broke my able mind,
1003
01:01:38,408 --> 01:01:41,119
and you set
my family against me.
1004
01:01:41,202 --> 01:01:44,497
I survived, but not
because you were merciful,
1005
01:01:44,580 --> 01:01:46,374
but because I was resilient.
1006
01:01:47,500 --> 01:01:50,878
I find relief in knowing
that this is over.
1007
01:01:50,962 --> 01:01:54,006
I find relief
in forgetting about you.
1008
01:01:54,090 --> 01:01:57,218
And this is the last time
you will hold my attention.
1009
01:01:59,011 --> 01:02:02,265
And last, as the court sentences
Keith Raniere,
1010
01:02:02,348 --> 01:02:05,601
I would like to remind them
that he showed me no mercy.
1011
01:02:05,685 --> 01:02:08,146
He showed my little sister
no mercy.
1012
01:02:09,147 --> 01:02:10,982
He deserves no mercy.
1013
01:02:17,196 --> 01:02:21,075
CAMILA: Good morning,
Your Honor. My name is Camila
1014
01:02:21,159 --> 01:02:24,537
and I'm ready to retain my voice
and to stand up for myself.
1015
01:02:26,038 --> 01:02:28,958
I met him when I was just 13.
1016
01:02:29,041 --> 01:02:31,127
The first time I was left
to have a conversation
1017
01:02:31,210 --> 01:02:32,712
alone with him,
1018
01:02:32,795 --> 01:02:34,589
we talked about
how I placed second
1019
01:02:34,672 --> 01:02:36,799
in my eighth grade
spelling bee contest.
1020
01:02:38,134 --> 01:02:41,888
He first had sex with me
on September 18th, 2005.
1021
01:02:42,847 --> 01:02:45,850
I was 15. He was 45.
1022
01:02:47,977 --> 01:02:51,898
He would often take me
to his executive library.
1023
01:02:51,981 --> 01:02:55,693
During these secret meetings,
when I was still 15,
1024
01:02:55,776 --> 01:02:58,488
he took naked pictures of me.
1025
01:02:58,571 --> 01:03:01,324
The experience of being
photographed is seared
1026
01:03:01,407 --> 01:03:02,533
into my memory.
1027
01:03:03,367 --> 01:03:05,328
As a 15-year-old,
1028
01:03:05,411 --> 01:03:07,788
this is not something
you easily forget.
1029
01:03:10,666 --> 01:03:14,670
We had sexual contact during
every meeting we ever had.
1030
01:03:14,754 --> 01:03:17,882
When he took the photos,
it was no exception.
1031
01:03:20,134 --> 01:03:24,055
When I walked away,
I had the mind of a 15-year-old,
1032
01:03:24,138 --> 01:03:27,558
and the body of a 27-year-old.
1033
01:03:27,642 --> 01:03:30,645
Your Honor, there is no outcome
where I get the time back
1034
01:03:30,728 --> 01:03:32,939
and the opportunity
that is lost.
1035
01:03:37,985 --> 01:03:41,280
I ask the court to take
my 12 years of abuse,
1036
01:03:41,364 --> 01:03:42,782
and effects of that abuse,
1037
01:03:42,865 --> 01:03:45,326
that I continue
to experience today,
1038
01:03:45,409 --> 01:03:48,246
into consideration
in sentencing him.
1039
01:03:51,123 --> 01:03:52,833
JUDGE:
Are you ready to be sentenced?
1040
01:03:54,335 --> 01:03:55,545
Please stand.
1041
01:04:15,982 --> 01:04:16,983
Nippy!
1042
01:04:18,526 --> 01:04:20,570
One-twenty. What does that mean?
1043
01:04:20,653 --> 01:04:22,989
A hundred and twenty years?
1044
01:04:23,072 --> 01:04:27,201
A hundred and twenty years!
A hundred and twenty years!
1045
01:04:27,285 --> 01:04:30,871
NEWS ANCHOR: That's right, Dina,
Raniere got 120 years.
1046
01:04:30,955 --> 01:04:34,250
And as you said, that means
he will serve life in prison.
1047
01:04:34,333 --> 01:04:35,501
DAN LEVY:
Judge Nick Garaufis
1048
01:04:35,585 --> 01:04:37,670
didn't just throw the book
at Keith Raniere,
1049
01:04:37,753 --> 01:04:40,965
he threw the entire New York
Metropolitan Library at him.
1050
01:04:43,134 --> 01:04:44,677
SUSAN DONES:
A hundred and twenty years.
1051
01:04:46,554 --> 01:04:49,140
Maybe he'll get a few years off
for good behavior.
1052
01:04:49,515 --> 01:04:51,183
(LAUGHS)
1053
01:04:51,267 --> 01:04:55,146
This is a 20 year book, and this
is the last chapter of the book.
1054
01:04:55,229 --> 01:04:59,317
And when I leave here today,
that book is closing.
1055
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,445
This was like your purpose.
This is why it'll happen.
1056
01:05:02,528 --> 01:05:04,739
And for so many people, like,
1057
01:05:04,822 --> 01:05:07,700
so many people before me.
And that's the irony of it all
1058
01:05:07,783 --> 01:05:09,869
is that Keith,
when we were joining,
1059
01:05:09,952 --> 01:05:11,621
saying women are going
to change the world.
1060
01:05:12,997 --> 01:05:14,165
(EXHALES)
1061
01:05:17,460 --> 01:05:20,671
It is a tragic day
for all of us.
1062
01:05:20,755 --> 01:05:23,966
We believe that today's
greatest victim is due process,
1063
01:05:24,050 --> 01:05:25,718
which affects us all.
1064
01:05:25,801 --> 01:05:30,097
Because if someone
or society ever turns on you,
1065
01:05:30,848 --> 01:05:32,183
you better hope to God,
1066
01:05:33,142 --> 01:05:34,894
that due process and laws
1067
01:05:34,977 --> 01:05:37,480
are still standing
to protect you.
1068
01:05:41,942 --> 01:05:45,321
(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
1069
01:05:50,117 --> 01:05:53,412
(SHUTTERS CLICKING)
1070
01:05:55,414 --> 01:05:57,667
FRANK PARLATO:
I personally would like to see
1071
01:05:57,750 --> 01:06:04,340
his loyal followers ultimately
realize he was a fraud.
1072
01:06:05,341 --> 01:06:08,219
An exquisite fraud.
A brilliant fraud
1073
01:06:08,302 --> 01:06:12,556
who could persuade people
that he was a saint.
1074
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,977
When in reality,
he is a, um... a deviant.
1075
01:06:19,897 --> 01:06:24,485
We still have some sentencing.
Allison, Lauren, Nancy.
1076
01:06:24,568 --> 01:06:27,947
Maybe for everyone but Keith,
there's a potential of a future.
1077
01:06:33,452 --> 01:06:37,415
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1078
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,795
NANCY: He got 120 years, Mom.
1079
01:06:44,463 --> 01:06:45,840
NANCY: Nobody, that's the point.
1080
01:06:47,633 --> 01:06:48,759
NANCY'S MOM:
1081
01:06:48,843 --> 01:06:50,636
NANCY:
I know, that's okay, Mom.
1082
01:06:52,304 --> 01:06:53,848
(LAUGHS)
1083
01:06:53,931 --> 01:06:57,935
NANCY: It's not okay, he got
120 years. And you were right.
1084
01:07:03,357 --> 01:07:04,400
NANCY: Yeah.
1085
01:07:06,819 --> 01:07:10,239
(SIGHS) My mother is angry.
1086
01:07:10,322 --> 01:07:13,325
She sees what it did
to Lauren, and me.
1087
01:07:15,161 --> 01:07:16,954
She has a right to be angry.
1088
01:07:18,622 --> 01:07:20,499
I know how I feel
about my children.
1089
01:07:22,668 --> 01:07:24,253
(TUTS) Hmm.
1090
01:07:27,339 --> 01:07:31,010
Whistleblowers, Mark Vicente,
former top recruiter,
1091
01:07:31,093 --> 01:07:35,806
and Sarah Edmondson
addressed the court via video.
1092
01:07:35,890 --> 01:07:38,017
I really want to see
what they said.
1093
01:07:39,769 --> 01:07:43,647
MARK: Your Honor,
beyond Keith Raniere's crimes
1094
01:07:43,731 --> 01:07:45,649
as documented in your court,
1095
01:07:45,733 --> 01:07:48,277
there are moral crimes
this man has committed.
1096
01:07:49,069 --> 01:07:50,196
Keith Raniere,
1097
01:07:50,279 --> 01:07:51,447
-you made us believe...
-Okay.
1098
01:07:51,530 --> 01:07:53,949
...we were constantly
failing a standard
1099
01:07:54,033 --> 01:07:57,369
you are wholly incapable
of meeting yourself.
1100
01:07:57,453 --> 01:08:01,707
You just wanted to destabilize
our psyches as much as possible,
1101
01:08:01,791 --> 01:08:05,795
so that in our growing psychosis
you would be the savior,
1102
01:08:05,878 --> 01:08:07,838
watching us get worse and worse.
1103
01:08:09,757 --> 01:08:14,011
He has stolen hundreds
of years from all his victims,
1104
01:08:14,094 --> 01:08:16,305
and he needs to be
held accountable.
1105
01:08:19,183 --> 01:08:20,768
NANCY: It's really terrible.
1106
01:08:22,102 --> 01:08:23,229
(SNIFFS)
1107
01:08:24,605 --> 01:08:26,690
It's the weirdest feeling
'cause at times I want
1108
01:08:26,774 --> 01:08:28,484
to defend the good that he did,
1109
01:08:28,567 --> 01:08:30,319
but he couldn't have
done the evil
1110
01:08:30,402 --> 01:08:31,821
if he hadn't done the good.
1111
01:08:31,904 --> 01:08:34,490
So did he do the good
so he could do the evil?
1112
01:08:34,573 --> 01:08:36,826
I don't know.
But maybe that's true.
1113
01:08:40,996 --> 01:08:43,582
Maybe he only did the good
so we would believe in him,
1114
01:08:43,666 --> 01:08:47,378
so he could do this.
I don't know what to believe.
1115
01:08:50,005 --> 01:08:51,090
(SNIFFS)
1116
01:09:00,975 --> 01:09:02,393
MARC: Keith undoubtedly
believes that his work
1117
01:09:02,476 --> 01:09:06,647
with NXIVM is good and I think
it's helped a lot of people.
1118
01:09:07,898 --> 01:09:11,110
But our decision to not
call witnesses in Keith's trial,
1119
01:09:11,193 --> 01:09:14,029
was not so much that we didn't
want to call witnesses,
1120
01:09:14,113 --> 01:09:16,615
or we didn't think
that the defense would be aided
1121
01:09:16,699 --> 01:09:19,034
by calling witnesses,
I think it's quite the opposite.
1122
01:09:19,118 --> 01:09:22,413
Um, we... we went to several
different countries,
1123
01:09:22,496 --> 01:09:23,873
and interviewed
hundreds of people
1124
01:09:23,956 --> 01:09:25,666
to be witnesses in this case,
1125
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:28,002
and we got what I think
was good information.
1126
01:09:28,085 --> 01:09:30,045
But when it came time
to actually,
1127
01:09:30,129 --> 01:09:31,964
you know, travel to Brooklyn,
1128
01:09:32,047 --> 01:09:34,508
enter that courtroom,
sit in the witness chair...
1129
01:09:34,592 --> 01:09:38,137
uh, it was... not a lot
of people wanted to do that.
1130
01:09:40,222 --> 01:09:44,101
After Keith's sentencing,
I said, you know, "Keith,
1131
01:09:44,184 --> 01:09:46,228
this was a fascinating debate
1132
01:09:46,312 --> 01:09:50,566
and maybe even a debate
that we win until...
1133
01:09:51,817 --> 01:09:57,072
you have allegations of,
you know, underage sex,
1134
01:09:57,156 --> 01:10:00,701
and pornography,
and then you don't get to be
1135
01:10:00,784 --> 01:10:02,661
a participant
in the debate anymore.
1136
01:10:02,745 --> 01:10:05,956
And no one's going to listen
to your viewpoint the same way."
1137
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:10,211
And it's tragic that
that's the way it all
1138
01:10:10,294 --> 01:10:15,382
kind of unfolded because
I think NXIVM was legitimate.
1139
01:10:19,136 --> 01:10:21,180
(BIRDS TWEETING)
1140
01:10:32,942 --> 01:10:35,277
DIANE BENSCOTER: It's gonna
take you some time to heal.
1141
01:10:36,654 --> 01:10:38,155
This is the piece that
1142
01:10:38,238 --> 01:10:43,577
I really hope
that you can articulate,
1143
01:10:43,661 --> 01:10:49,792
how psychological manipulation
is self-perpetuating.
1144
01:10:49,875 --> 01:10:52,711
You were used for the things
you were good at,
1145
01:10:52,795 --> 01:10:54,964
and for how he
could control you.
1146
01:10:56,215 --> 01:10:59,218
And here's an important thing.
1147
01:10:59,301 --> 01:11:03,514
The curriculum and the way
the organization was built,
1148
01:11:03,597 --> 01:11:07,726
was clearly to take control
over people's lives.
1149
01:11:08,894 --> 01:11:10,396
You know?
1150
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,899
It... it was designed
to control people.
1151
01:11:13,983 --> 01:11:16,402
Now that is not what
you believed, I'm sure.
1152
01:11:16,485 --> 01:11:19,321
That is not what you
believe today, probably.
1153
01:11:19,405 --> 01:11:21,198
Well, I don't know
that the curriculum did it
1154
01:11:21,282 --> 01:11:23,575
as much as Keith did it.
1155
01:11:23,659 --> 01:11:28,414
Because, you know, there were
17,000 people unaffected,
1156
01:11:28,497 --> 01:11:30,958
and had good experiences
with the curriculum.
1157
01:11:31,917 --> 01:11:34,086
People came to courses, left.
1158
01:11:34,169 --> 01:11:37,673
In and-- Like, there was none
of that in that.
1159
01:11:38,799 --> 01:11:40,968
Yeah. It's... (EXHALES)
1160
01:11:42,094 --> 01:11:46,515
...one of the main tactics
that is hallmark
1161
01:11:46,598 --> 01:11:49,226
of psychological manipulation
1162
01:11:49,309 --> 01:11:54,606
is to tear someone down,
but then have the answer
1163
01:11:54,690 --> 01:11:56,442
for how
they can fix themselves.
1164
01:11:56,525 --> 01:11:59,194
-That was him.
-That's cooked in
1165
01:11:59,278 --> 01:12:02,823
to the trainings
that you designed, in a way.
1166
01:12:02,906 --> 01:12:04,366
It's--
1167
01:12:04,450 --> 01:12:06,910
And he, I think,
understood that.
1168
01:12:08,829 --> 01:12:10,789
(SIGHS)
1169
01:12:10,873 --> 01:12:13,208
-Well, thank you for your help.
-All right.
1170
01:12:13,292 --> 01:12:14,918
-Bye.
-Bye.
1171
01:12:19,298 --> 01:12:22,009
I find myself feeling resistant
to some of the things
1172
01:12:22,092 --> 01:12:25,679
she thinks about ESP.
I feel resistant.
1173
01:12:29,892 --> 01:12:31,226
I hope it's not true.
1174
01:12:41,820 --> 01:12:44,948
It would really break
my heart if it was true
1175
01:12:45,032 --> 01:12:49,870
because if the thing
that I thought...
1176
01:12:49,953 --> 01:12:52,831
that I loved the most
and I thought did the most good,
1177
01:12:52,915 --> 01:12:56,752
was really damaging people,
I think...
1178
01:12:58,670 --> 01:13:01,006
that would be very hard to...
1179
01:13:02,758 --> 01:13:04,468
I don't know how...
1180
01:13:04,551 --> 01:13:06,929
I don't know how
I could come back from that.
1181
01:13:07,012 --> 01:13:08,680
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1182
01:13:09,473 --> 01:13:10,849
(SNIFFS)
1183
01:13:28,575 --> 01:13:31,120
DIANE: It's going to take you
some time to heal.
1184
01:13:33,664 --> 01:13:36,041
Highlight the a-ha moments,
1185
01:13:36,125 --> 01:13:38,085
the times
when you may feel guilty
1186
01:13:38,168 --> 01:13:40,879
because you could have
stepped in,
1187
01:13:40,963 --> 01:13:44,341
or you promoted things
that hurt others.
1188
01:13:46,093 --> 01:13:49,888
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
1189
01:14:03,735 --> 01:14:05,487
NANCY: Looking back,
1190
01:14:05,571 --> 01:14:08,532
I was constantly doing
damage control
1191
01:14:08,615 --> 01:14:09,950
about Keith's sex life.
1192
01:14:13,078 --> 01:14:16,790
It was so hard.
I never wanted to do that.
1193
01:14:19,126 --> 01:14:22,004
I don't know whether I want
to talk about this, but...
1194
01:14:22,629 --> 01:14:24,381
he kept sending me in.
1195
01:14:29,469 --> 01:14:32,472
I felt so lost
1196
01:14:32,556 --> 01:14:34,433
and I had no one to talk to.
1197
01:14:34,516 --> 01:14:36,894
And I don't know if I did
good things or bad things.
1198
01:14:36,977 --> 01:14:40,772
I didn't know anymore
because I couldn't tell.
1199
01:14:40,856 --> 01:14:42,483
(SNIFFS) I didn't know.
1200
01:14:42,566 --> 01:14:45,736
I didn't know what was right
and wrong anymore because...
1201
01:14:45,819 --> 01:14:50,199
He kept saying, "I'm going
to die if you don't do this.
1202
01:14:50,282 --> 01:14:52,618
You don't understand
how this affects my health.
1203
01:14:52,701 --> 01:14:54,328
You have to go do this."
And I would just
1204
01:14:54,411 --> 01:14:57,080
keep going in,
and going in, and going in.
1205
01:14:59,333 --> 01:15:01,585
I mean, maybe
that's how I participate--
1206
01:15:01,668 --> 01:15:04,546
That's why I participated.
1207
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:07,049
I was trying to put it back
together all the time.
1208
01:15:07,132 --> 01:15:09,843
I was trying to make up
for what he was doing.
1209
01:15:09,927 --> 01:15:13,430
I don't know. I just--
I don't know, but,
1210
01:15:13,514 --> 01:15:16,099
I guess that's at the root
of the whole thing,
1211
01:15:16,183 --> 01:15:20,312
I feel so guilty
because I couldn't do better.
1212
01:15:20,395 --> 01:15:22,272
(SOBS) I don't know.
1213
01:15:22,356 --> 01:15:24,024
These people are going to come
to my sentencing
1214
01:15:24,107 --> 01:15:28,195
and maybe I should go to jail
because I-- this is what I did.
1215
01:15:31,365 --> 01:15:34,409
So when Lauren says,
"Mom, it happened on our watch,"
1216
01:15:34,493 --> 01:15:36,620
the two of us know
what we're talking about.
1217
01:15:36,703 --> 01:15:38,038
This is what
we're talking about.
1218
01:15:38,121 --> 01:15:42,042
He put us in this position,
and we didn't know what to do.
1219
01:15:42,125 --> 01:15:43,877
We couldn't manage it.
1220
01:15:47,756 --> 01:15:50,717
Maybe it's, you know,
for three years I have to sit
1221
01:15:50,801 --> 01:15:52,386
and be in jail
1222
01:15:52,469 --> 01:15:59,810
to make up for the damage
that I did by empowering him.
1223
01:15:59,893 --> 01:16:04,773
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
1224
01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:17,536
When people talk about
committing to ESP,
1225
01:16:17,619 --> 01:16:18,870
they get so confused,
1226
01:16:18,954 --> 01:16:21,581
because they think what it means
to commit to ESP
1227
01:16:21,665 --> 01:16:24,626
is somehow to commit
to Keith Raniere,
1228
01:16:24,710 --> 01:16:26,128
or to commit to Nancy Salzman,
1229
01:16:26,211 --> 01:16:29,006
or to commit to this person
named Vanguard,
1230
01:16:29,089 --> 01:16:30,716
which is such a confusion,
1231
01:16:30,799 --> 01:16:33,552
because what this organization
is about, is about you.
1232
01:16:39,182 --> 01:16:42,060
Barbara Bouchey
would like to thank her staff.
1233
01:16:44,354 --> 01:16:45,981
BARBARA BOUCHEY:
You know, I loved Nancy.
1234
01:16:47,816 --> 01:16:51,653
I knew her since 1988.
I trusted her.
1235
01:16:52,779 --> 01:16:55,407
I admired her.
I cared about her.
1236
01:16:57,034 --> 01:17:03,623
She, somewhere along the way,
got in so deep
1237
01:17:03,707 --> 01:17:06,668
that she didn't know how
to dig herself out.
1238
01:17:06,752 --> 01:17:10,589
(FAINT APPLAUSE, CHEERING)
1239
01:17:10,672 --> 01:17:13,800
BARBARA:
Keith put Nancy on a stage,
1240
01:17:13,884 --> 01:17:16,553
and gave her
what she wanted the most.
1241
01:17:16,636 --> 01:17:20,015
That sense of belonging,
and being revered,
1242
01:17:20,098 --> 01:17:21,933
and being able to do
what she thought
1243
01:17:22,017 --> 01:17:23,644
was her life's work.
1244
01:17:25,979 --> 01:17:29,358
And she lost her way.
1245
01:17:30,150 --> 01:17:33,779
(SIRENS BLARING)
1246
01:17:35,947 --> 01:17:38,533
NEWS ANCHOR: NXIVM's second
in command, Nancy Salzman,
1247
01:17:38,617 --> 01:17:40,369
is being sentenced today.
1248
01:17:41,453 --> 01:17:43,205
NEWS ANCHOR 2:
Salzman's attorneys are asking
1249
01:17:43,288 --> 01:17:44,831
for a home confinement sentence,
1250
01:17:44,915 --> 01:17:48,001
whereas the government
is asking for a prison sentence.
1251
01:17:51,755 --> 01:17:54,841
(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
1252
01:18:01,765 --> 01:18:03,100
JUDGE: Miss Salzman,
1253
01:18:03,183 --> 01:18:07,229
you and Mr. Raniere developed
NXIVM together.
1254
01:18:07,312 --> 01:18:11,358
As the Prefect, you were
Mr. Raniere's second in command,
1255
01:18:11,441 --> 01:18:12,734
and shared his power.
1256
01:18:14,653 --> 01:18:17,406
For 20 years, you helped
him consolidate
1257
01:18:17,489 --> 01:18:18,907
and maintain control.
1258
01:18:20,700 --> 01:18:24,162
You went to extreme lengths
to protect NXIVM,
1259
01:18:24,246 --> 01:18:27,541
which safeguarded and enhanced
your own status in the group.
1260
01:18:29,668 --> 01:18:33,463
In 20 years of your
relationship with Mr. Raniere,
1261
01:18:33,547 --> 01:18:37,801
prior to your arrest,
you never rejected him.
1262
01:18:37,884 --> 01:18:41,179
The door was always open,
but you never left.
1263
01:18:43,849 --> 01:18:47,436
There are also notable
mitigating factors.
1264
01:18:47,519 --> 01:18:49,438
You were the first
of your codefendants
1265
01:18:49,521 --> 01:18:50,939
to plead guilty.
1266
01:18:51,022 --> 01:18:53,567
You have served
as a tireless caregiver
1267
01:18:53,650 --> 01:18:55,235
to your ailing parents
in the years
1268
01:18:55,318 --> 01:18:57,320
following your arrest.
1269
01:18:57,404 --> 01:18:59,781
Conversely,
you lured your daughter,
1270
01:18:59,865 --> 01:19:02,951
Lauren, into NXIVM,
straight out of college,
1271
01:19:03,034 --> 01:19:05,078
which ultimately entrapped her
1272
01:19:05,162 --> 01:19:08,081
into a sexual relationship
with Mr. Raniere.
1273
01:19:10,292 --> 01:19:12,586
I sentence you as follows.
1274
01:19:12,669 --> 01:19:16,673
Forty-two months in the custody
of the Attorney General.
1275
01:19:16,756 --> 01:19:18,175
(GAVEL CLAPS)
1276
01:19:18,258 --> 01:19:21,511
-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
-(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
1277
01:19:47,829 --> 01:19:49,456
CARMEN GUTIERREZ:
He doesn't understand.
1278
01:19:50,540 --> 01:19:52,459
NANCY: I was surprised
he blamed me for Lauren.
1279
01:19:53,752 --> 01:19:55,378
The judge blamed me for that.
1280
01:19:56,171 --> 01:19:57,255
He blamed me for that.
1281
01:19:57,339 --> 01:19:59,174
"You could have left
at any time."
1282
01:19:59,257 --> 01:20:00,425
"You enrolled your daughter."
1283
01:20:00,509 --> 01:20:03,178
How could I enroll my daughter
in something that's--
1284
01:20:03,261 --> 01:20:05,555
I love my daughter.
1285
01:20:05,639 --> 01:20:08,475
I would do anything
for my daughter.
1286
01:20:08,558 --> 01:20:11,394
There's nothing more important
to me than my children.
1287
01:20:11,478 --> 01:20:14,731
And for him to look at me
and think that I'm that.
1288
01:20:16,566 --> 01:20:18,485
It's just not right.
1289
01:20:18,985 --> 01:20:21,988
(SOBS)
1290
01:20:27,661 --> 01:20:31,289
(SNIFFS)
1291
01:20:34,834 --> 01:20:36,169
Hey, honey.
1292
01:20:36,253 --> 01:20:37,712
LAUREN SALZMAN:
Hi, Mama. Where are you?
1293
01:20:37,796 --> 01:20:39,381
Do you want me to come back
to the hotel?
1294
01:20:39,464 --> 01:20:41,925
-I'm stood waiting for you.
-Can you get some food
1295
01:20:42,008 --> 01:20:43,093
and then come back?
1296
01:20:43,176 --> 01:20:46,054
Because I can't leave
until you come.
1297
01:20:46,137 --> 01:20:47,681
LAUREN:
Okay, what do you want to eat?
1298
01:20:47,764 --> 01:20:49,391
I don't want
to eat anything. Honey,
1299
01:20:49,474 --> 01:20:51,226
I don't want to eat anything.
1300
01:20:51,309 --> 01:20:52,811
LAUREN: Oh, I thought you meant
food for you.
1301
01:20:52,894 --> 01:20:54,896
Okay. No, I'm done.
I'll come back.
1302
01:20:54,980 --> 01:20:56,398
I'll just come back.
See you soon.
1303
01:20:56,481 --> 01:20:57,941
I just want to go to Grandma's.
1304
01:20:58,024 --> 01:21:00,068
LAUREN: Okay, perfect.
I'll get you and we'll go.
1305
01:21:00,151 --> 01:21:01,695
-(SOBS) Thank you.
-LAUREN: Okay, I love you.
1306
01:21:01,778 --> 01:21:02,988
-Okay, bye.
-Bye.
1307
01:21:03,071 --> 01:21:04,239
(SNIFFLES)
1308
01:21:05,615 --> 01:21:06,783
(GROANS)
1309
01:21:11,371 --> 01:21:15,208
(SOBS)
1310
01:21:32,058 --> 01:21:35,186
♪ (TENDER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1311
01:22:32,994 --> 01:22:35,455
-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
-LAWYER: We're making a move.
1312
01:22:35,538 --> 01:22:38,249
-We're making a move now, Alli.
-(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
1313
01:22:57,310 --> 01:22:58,311
(PHONE CHIMES)
1314
01:22:58,395 --> 01:23:00,689
Oh? Oh. (GASPS) Oh!
1315
01:23:00,772 --> 01:23:01,773
We got it.
1316
01:23:02,857 --> 01:23:06,152
(LAUGHS, SOBS)
1317
01:23:06,778 --> 01:23:08,530
(SNIFFLES)
1318
01:23:08,613 --> 01:23:10,990
Time served
and five years' probation.
1319
01:23:11,074 --> 01:23:12,701
(SOBS)
1320
01:23:17,038 --> 01:23:21,876
I am so relieved. Oh, my God.
She doesn't have to go to jail.
1321
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:25,005
(SNIFFLES, EXHALES DEEPLY)
1322
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:39,978
So, I feel really fortunate.
1323
01:23:43,356 --> 01:23:47,193
(BABBLES)
1324
01:23:50,155 --> 01:23:52,615
-Woah!
-(CHUCKLES)
1325
01:25:51,234 --> 01:25:55,530
NANCY: I think that most people
look at this story and say,
1326
01:25:55,613 --> 01:25:57,323
"That could never happen to me."
1327
01:26:01,536 --> 01:26:03,580
And we don't realize
that it's very similar
1328
01:26:03,663 --> 01:26:05,498
to things that happen
every single day.
1329
01:26:07,500 --> 01:26:10,169
It's just exaggerated.
1330
01:26:14,674 --> 01:26:17,760
People trade away the things
that they really want
1331
01:26:17,844 --> 01:26:21,222
because they don't want
to create a catastrophe,
1332
01:26:21,306 --> 01:26:22,640
or they don't want
to end a marriage,
1333
01:26:22,724 --> 01:26:25,059
or they don't want
to quit their job.
1334
01:26:26,561 --> 01:26:28,813
And they walk in everyday
and they make
1335
01:26:28,897 --> 01:26:32,233
another trade and another trade
and another trade,
1336
01:26:32,317 --> 01:26:34,986
and they end up losing
themselves in that.
1337
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:55,089
So I think it's not as strange
a story as one might think.
1338
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:18,613
♪ ("DREAM STATE"
BY SON LUX PLAYING) ♪
1339
01:27:20,031 --> 01:27:22,075
♪ Days we were young ♪
1340
01:27:22,158 --> 01:27:27,956
♪ We took photographs
Of everything we could see ♪
1341
01:27:28,039 --> 01:27:31,459
♪ We had to run from it ♪
1342
01:27:31,542 --> 01:27:34,379
♪ Priest and prophetess
We were ♪
1343
01:27:34,462 --> 01:27:38,383
♪ Nothing we would defy ♪
1344
01:27:39,425 --> 01:27:43,513
♪ Oh! Invisible skin ♪
1345
01:27:43,596 --> 01:27:47,183
♪ Where is the world within? ♪
1346
01:27:47,266 --> 01:27:52,313
♪ Invincible skin
It's how we all begin ♪
1347
01:27:56,943 --> 01:27:58,069
♪ ("DREAM STATE" CONCLUDES) ♪