1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:17,629 --> 00:00:19,404 ♪ Step into the atmosphere ♪ 4 00:00:19,404 --> 00:00:24,404 ♪ Looking as the sun grows near and I ♪ 5 00:00:25,392 --> 00:00:28,662 ♪ Start to fade away ♪ 6 00:00:28,662 --> 00:00:31,690 ♪ Satellite high above ♪ 7 00:00:31,690 --> 00:00:36,690 ♪ Looking down, send us love and hope ♪ 8 00:00:37,242 --> 00:00:41,394 ♪ Getting home alone ♪ 9 00:00:41,394 --> 00:00:46,394 ♪ Everybody down below is looking on enjoying the show ♪ 10 00:00:47,890 --> 00:00:52,890 ♪ Waiting for the overstare that the crowd will never get ♪ 11 00:00:53,982 --> 00:00:58,982 ♪ History lesson number three ♪ 12 00:01:00,143 --> 00:01:04,643 ♪ History flashing through the screen ♪ 13 00:01:19,646 --> 00:01:22,542 ♪ Sea of tranquility ♪ 14 00:01:22,542 --> 00:01:27,542 ♪ Luna marching floating free ♪ 15 00:01:27,778 --> 00:01:31,500 ♪ In the breeze ♪ 16 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:34,502 ♪ Radio telescope ♪ 17 00:01:34,502 --> 00:01:39,502 ♪ Inter transmission broken down ♪ 18 00:01:39,798 --> 00:01:43,905 ♪ We're back into the blue ♪ 19 00:01:43,905 --> 00:01:48,905 ♪ Everybody down below is looking on enjoying the show ♪ 20 00:01:50,402 --> 00:01:55,402 ♪ Waiting for the overstare that the crowd will never get ♪ 21 00:01:56,102 --> 00:02:01,102 ♪ Everybody down below is looking on enjoying the show ♪ 22 00:02:02,358 --> 00:02:07,358 ♪ Waiting for the overstare that the crowd will never get ♪ 23 00:02:08,222 --> 00:02:13,222 ♪ History lesson number three ♪ 24 00:02:14,778 --> 00:02:19,278 ♪ History flashing through the screen ♪ 25 00:02:30,062 --> 00:02:31,290 - Why were the Stones so out there? 26 00:02:31,290 --> 00:02:33,680 That really focused on this guy Brian Jones. 27 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,062 - You think of the Rolling Stones in the mid-60's 28 00:02:36,062 --> 00:02:37,970 and you think of Brian Jones. 29 00:02:37,970 --> 00:02:39,550 You don't think of Mick Jagger, 30 00:02:39,550 --> 00:02:41,460 you certainly don't think of Keith Richards. 31 00:02:41,460 --> 00:02:44,610 Brian Jones is the perfect British rock star. 32 00:02:44,610 --> 00:02:46,520 He's the first English rock star 33 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,780 with perhaps the best look there's ever been 34 00:02:49,780 --> 00:02:51,730 of any British rock star. 35 00:02:51,730 --> 00:02:53,510 - He was the one who was introducing them 36 00:02:53,510 --> 00:02:56,950 to these Moroccan sounds, to world music, 37 00:02:56,950 --> 00:02:59,170 he was the one who was the friend of John Lennon, 38 00:02:59,170 --> 00:03:00,820 the friend of Jimi Hendrix. 39 00:03:00,820 --> 00:03:02,790 - Although there were five individuals 40 00:03:02,790 --> 00:03:05,760 you sort of knew that he was the governor. 41 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,966 - He was a major player in the 1960's 42 00:03:07,966 --> 00:03:11,057 in charting new regions which had been thought 43 00:03:11,057 --> 00:03:13,810 otherwise impossible for young white men 44 00:03:13,810 --> 00:03:15,090 to even think about. 45 00:03:15,090 --> 00:03:16,670 Musically, 46 00:03:16,670 --> 00:03:18,190 fashion wise, 47 00:03:18,190 --> 00:03:20,084 attitude wise. 48 00:03:20,084 --> 00:03:22,130 He was a trailblazer. 49 00:03:22,130 --> 00:03:23,600 Hedonism, excess, 50 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,333 he embodied all of those in his 27 years. 51 00:03:57,886 --> 00:04:00,750 - Brian's peripatetic wanderings around London, 52 00:04:00,750 --> 00:04:04,500 a hunted man, obviously called for a sense of relocation 53 00:04:04,500 --> 00:04:06,590 and his advisors came up with Cotchford Farm 54 00:04:06,590 --> 00:04:09,798 down in East Sussex in the little village of Hartfield. 55 00:04:09,798 --> 00:04:14,750 So he found a great sense of peace and identity 56 00:04:14,750 --> 00:04:15,842 at Cotchford Farm. 57 00:04:16,675 --> 00:04:17,780 With the village of Hartfield 58 00:04:17,780 --> 00:04:21,571 and the locals here adopted him. 59 00:04:21,571 --> 00:04:23,356 They're very protective 60 00:04:23,356 --> 00:04:26,300 and so for the short while that he was here 61 00:04:26,300 --> 00:04:30,706 during 68 and into 69 he found a sense of community 62 00:04:30,706 --> 00:04:33,360 which didn't exist in London. 63 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,110 - Brian has found his dream home, 64 00:04:36,110 --> 00:04:39,600 previously owned by AA Milne, the author of Winnie the Pooh, 65 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,838 and it has a swimming pool which is ideal for him. 66 00:04:41,838 --> 00:04:46,210 He kind of seems to be largely, as far as I know, 67 00:04:46,210 --> 00:04:49,053 off drugs at that point although he's drinking a lot. 68 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,166 - He was indulged in by the doctors 69 00:04:54,166 --> 00:04:59,166 who went on prescribing right till when he died. 70 00:04:59,590 --> 00:05:02,480 When people say oh, he wasn't taking drugs anymore. 71 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,180 He wasn't smoking hash and taking cocaine 72 00:05:06,180 --> 00:05:09,900 or taking anything else of that type 73 00:05:09,900 --> 00:05:13,400 but he was taking a whole bunch of dreadful type of things. 74 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:14,923 And he was drinking heavily! 75 00:05:15,990 --> 00:05:19,620 That's why his health so badly declined 76 00:05:19,620 --> 00:05:21,570 in the following year. 77 00:05:21,570 --> 00:05:24,571 Brian was very much a broken man 78 00:05:24,571 --> 00:05:29,020 and was never functioning at the same level of genius 79 00:05:29,020 --> 00:05:32,640 that he had before because he was relying 80 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,910 on these prescription pills. 81 00:05:34,910 --> 00:05:38,540 The doctors overprescribed constantly 82 00:05:38,540 --> 00:05:41,792 which is why little by little 83 00:05:41,792 --> 00:05:46,600 this problem developed in the group, I think, 84 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:51,020 where because everybody was preoccupied with their own thing 85 00:05:51,020 --> 00:05:53,830 but Brian was the absent one. 86 00:05:53,830 --> 00:05:56,460 As time went by, he came to, 87 00:05:56,460 --> 00:05:59,702 he knew I was seeing a lot of Mick and Keith 88 00:05:59,702 --> 00:06:03,410 and he would ask me, what are the Stones doing? 89 00:06:03,410 --> 00:06:06,840 He would use these words, what are the Stones doing, 90 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:08,640 what are they up to and so forth 91 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,062 as if he wasn't part of it anymore. 92 00:06:12,062 --> 00:06:14,162 - Well Brian by the time rock n' roll 93 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,610 had become marginalized as far as the group was concerned 94 00:06:18,610 --> 00:06:21,140 simply because they couldn't rely on him, 95 00:06:21,140 --> 00:06:23,420 they wouldn't know whether he was gonna turn up 96 00:06:23,420 --> 00:06:27,030 to the recording sessions or turn up too late 97 00:06:27,030 --> 00:06:30,113 or turn up in a condition in which he couldn't contribute. 98 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,550 - Cotchford Farm needed some renovations 99 00:06:33,550 --> 00:06:35,600 and from all available reports of the builders 100 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,830 they were on a jolly as we say over here 101 00:06:38,830 --> 00:06:41,360 and they weren't gonna get much done. 102 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,910 This existed for a period of time 103 00:06:43,910 --> 00:06:47,370 before even Brian decided that enough was enough. 104 00:06:47,370 --> 00:06:48,930 The building work was shoddy 105 00:06:48,930 --> 00:06:50,400 and they were generally taking over, 106 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,210 in particular the main builder Frank Thorogood 107 00:06:52,210 --> 00:06:54,047 even moved into the property. 108 00:06:54,047 --> 00:06:58,322 - Frank Thorogood was brought into the movie 109 00:06:58,322 --> 00:07:02,840 by Tom Keylock so the pair of 'em were in cohorts 110 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:04,450 at some level or another. 111 00:07:04,450 --> 00:07:07,310 - Tom Keylock was a minder. 112 00:07:07,310 --> 00:07:09,782 He was one of those people that occupy positions, 113 00:07:09,782 --> 00:07:14,782 roadie, chauffer, tour manager, stroke minder. 114 00:07:15,470 --> 00:07:18,500 - Tom Keylock was much older than the Rolling Stones. 115 00:07:18,500 --> 00:07:23,500 He had connections with all tiers of officialdom police 116 00:07:23,830 --> 00:07:25,470 and also the underworld as well. 117 00:07:25,470 --> 00:07:28,060 So he was a shady character, world wise. 118 00:07:28,060 --> 00:07:31,430 - Frank and Tom Keylock were 119 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:38,010 really living the life in Brian's house. 120 00:07:38,010 --> 00:07:40,510 - Brian was not around. 121 00:07:40,510 --> 00:07:42,660 He was always in the country 122 00:07:42,660 --> 00:07:44,780 and he wasn't going to, 123 00:07:44,780 --> 00:07:48,090 I think a lot of times he just didn't go even 124 00:07:48,090 --> 00:07:50,642 to the recording sessions and so on. 125 00:07:50,642 --> 00:07:52,630 - Yeah, I saw Brian in the studio, 126 00:07:52,630 --> 00:07:54,880 he's sitting in the corner. 127 00:08:17,019 --> 00:08:19,032 - He had no discipline whatsoever. 128 00:08:19,032 --> 00:08:23,330 And I think that was his undoing 129 00:08:23,330 --> 00:08:27,974 because they thought if we can't rely on him 130 00:08:27,974 --> 00:08:29,921 we'll get on without him. 131 00:08:29,921 --> 00:08:31,830 And that's what eventually happened. 132 00:08:41,977 --> 00:08:44,820 - He was a difficult guy to love, Brian. 133 00:08:44,820 --> 00:08:48,020 I can imagine Brian really getting up 134 00:08:48,020 --> 00:08:49,710 in Mick and Keith's nose in the end 135 00:08:49,710 --> 00:08:50,994 because of his demands 136 00:08:50,994 --> 00:08:55,994 and his moaning and dissatisfaction with his lot. 137 00:08:56,060 --> 00:09:01,060 - But the idea that Brian was pushed out 138 00:09:01,313 --> 00:09:03,160 I think is ridiculous. 139 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:08,160 Brian created a situation where they had to push him out 140 00:09:08,660 --> 00:09:11,080 otherwise he could've brought the band down. 141 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,087 - He was talking about leaving anyway 142 00:09:13,087 --> 00:09:15,700 so I wasn't surprised. 143 00:09:15,700 --> 00:09:17,380 I didn't really feel particularly bad about it 144 00:09:17,380 --> 00:09:20,280 because he was potentially brilliant 145 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,509 and a very, very intelligent person 146 00:09:23,509 --> 00:09:27,763 but he just seemed to be set on destroying himself. 147 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,540 ♪ Well I'm looking out the window ♪ 148 00:09:38,540 --> 00:09:42,100 - Cheltenham, people sort of said at the time 149 00:09:42,100 --> 00:09:46,867 or people have said since that it was a sort of stayed place 150 00:09:46,867 --> 00:09:48,820 but it never was. 151 00:09:48,820 --> 00:09:53,820 There was plenty to do and there was the typical rock scene 152 00:09:54,250 --> 00:09:57,480 that there'd been with the Teddy Boys and rock n' roll 153 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,070 and the sort of coffee shop era. 154 00:10:01,070 --> 00:10:04,230 There were plenty of coffee shops and little cafes 155 00:10:04,230 --> 00:10:06,324 and plenty going on. 156 00:10:06,324 --> 00:10:10,556 ♪ Did you ever have the feeling baby ♪ 157 00:10:10,556 --> 00:10:13,990 - Brian came from a very well to do 158 00:10:13,990 --> 00:10:15,300 middle class family 159 00:10:15,300 --> 00:10:20,300 and he proved to be something of a character. 160 00:10:22,010 --> 00:10:25,130 - I think the significant clue to Brian 161 00:10:25,130 --> 00:10:30,120 is in his early childhood which is when he's four 162 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,090 and his two year old sister dies. 163 00:10:32,090 --> 00:10:34,850 His parents soon have another daughter 164 00:10:34,850 --> 00:10:37,000 but the mother who'd been heartbroken 165 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,500 at the loss of the first child 166 00:10:38,500 --> 00:10:41,400 transfers all her love and affection 167 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,180 onto this new daughter, 168 00:10:43,180 --> 00:10:46,430 withdrawing it, it seems, from Brian. 169 00:10:46,430 --> 00:10:51,110 And Brian at that point starts to develop asthma. 170 00:10:51,110 --> 00:10:55,240 - Also, he told me things about his sister Pamela 171 00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:00,240 who had died and when he was a naughty boy, as it were, 172 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,523 his father or mother would threaten him 173 00:11:03,523 --> 00:11:05,903 with the same result. 174 00:11:11,661 --> 00:11:13,230 - He wasn't interested in going to college 175 00:11:13,230 --> 00:11:16,136 although he went to a very good college 176 00:11:16,136 --> 00:11:18,843 called Dean Close in Cheltenham. 177 00:11:20,352 --> 00:11:22,410 - He could've gone to university, 178 00:11:22,410 --> 00:11:24,420 he was very bright, Brian. 179 00:11:24,420 --> 00:11:27,490 Had a very high Mensa intelligence rating 180 00:11:27,490 --> 00:11:31,240 but he also had the emotional rating of a child. 181 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,710 And that was his problem. 182 00:11:33,710 --> 00:11:36,240 - His parents wanted him to be a classical musician 183 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,210 so when he discovers jazz at the age of 14, 184 00:11:40,210 --> 00:11:42,350 starts playing saxophone. 185 00:11:42,350 --> 00:11:45,400 - Cannonball Adderley was Brian's real favorite. 186 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,600 - Which became an absolute religion with him. 187 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,460 He played the piano quite nicely, 188 00:11:51,460 --> 00:11:54,520 he'd had quite legitimate lessons from a very good teacher 189 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:59,190 but all the time his fanaticism for jazz music 190 00:11:59,190 --> 00:12:00,690 was coming to the fore 191 00:12:01,610 --> 00:12:04,030 it was a great disappointment to us 192 00:12:04,030 --> 00:12:06,200 and source of considerable anxiety 193 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:11,200 when he became so wrapped up in his love of jazz music 194 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:17,280 that in spite of everything we could do or say 195 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,513 he went off and did it. 196 00:12:25,820 --> 00:12:28,300 - I used to learn piano and clarinet. 197 00:12:28,300 --> 00:12:30,368 I used to play clarinet. 198 00:12:31,450 --> 00:12:32,337 Thank you. 199 00:12:32,337 --> 00:12:34,330 And I lost interest in the clarinet 200 00:12:34,330 --> 00:12:38,500 because I became very involved in musical studies 201 00:12:38,500 --> 00:12:40,810 and I lost a lot of interest 202 00:12:40,810 --> 00:12:42,813 because I think I was getting in a rut, 203 00:12:42,813 --> 00:12:44,320 I was getting too involved. 204 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,880 - His parents threw him out one Christmas time 205 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,800 and a little before Christmas 206 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,440 Left a suitcase on the doorstep. 207 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,140 That was the first thing he told me about his parents. 208 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,870 - He wasn't interested in settling down 209 00:12:59,870 --> 00:13:01,070 to do any work. 210 00:13:01,070 --> 00:13:04,222 He didn't mind working, he got some jobs. 211 00:13:04,222 --> 00:13:09,222 He had a job which I mentioned earlier in Gloucestershire 212 00:13:09,420 --> 00:13:11,700 and he had no parents to help him. 213 00:13:11,700 --> 00:13:13,750 - He didn't want to settle down. 214 00:13:13,750 --> 00:13:16,780 He just wanted to party, party, party 215 00:13:16,780 --> 00:13:19,380 and make love to as many girls as he possibly could. 216 00:13:20,708 --> 00:13:24,267 He was a naughty boy, he really was. 217 00:13:31,552 --> 00:13:32,760 When he told me about Valerie 218 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,210 he also told me about an earlier one. 219 00:13:35,210 --> 00:13:40,210 At the time he was going out with Pat and she was pregnant. 220 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,110 - By the time Brian was 19 221 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,750 he had three illegitimate children. 222 00:13:48,544 --> 00:13:50,443 How do you cope with that? 223 00:13:51,472 --> 00:13:54,170 His reputation wasn't very good. 224 00:13:54,170 --> 00:13:58,720 I was surprised by it because I'd never been friends 225 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,323 with somebody who suddenly was persona non grata. 226 00:14:06,510 --> 00:14:09,456 Being beaten up by an umbrella in the street 227 00:14:09,456 --> 00:14:11,433 and such a thing. 228 00:14:20,452 --> 00:14:22,810 - We were both interested in jazz and blues 229 00:14:22,810 --> 00:14:26,900 but blues came on much stronger after that. 230 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:29,180 To start with it was jazz. 231 00:14:29,180 --> 00:14:30,680 He was getting into the blues 232 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,020 because he heard the old stuff 233 00:14:33,020 --> 00:14:36,290 like Lead Belly and I had a record with Elmore James on it 234 00:14:36,290 --> 00:14:39,230 which is something that really grabbed him 235 00:14:39,230 --> 00:14:40,350 the first time he heard it. 236 00:14:40,350 --> 00:14:41,870 - And I started to play the guitar 237 00:14:41,870 --> 00:14:46,870 and it gave me a new feel musically 238 00:14:47,490 --> 00:14:50,869 and I became interested in jazz 239 00:14:50,869 --> 00:14:52,896 and rhythm and blues eventually. 240 00:14:52,896 --> 00:14:54,720 - Elmore Jones. 241 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,300 - Gradually worked around to playing 242 00:14:56,300 --> 00:14:57,637 with the Rolling Stones, shut up. 243 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,600 - One of the people we used to go and see 244 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,440 in the early days was Alexis Korner. 245 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,052 He was often called the father of rhythm and blues 246 00:15:07,052 --> 00:15:10,080 in England at that time. 247 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,944 - After the performance in Cheltenham, 248 00:15:11,944 --> 00:15:15,032 Brian came up to me together with a friend of his. 249 00:15:15,032 --> 00:15:18,571 I gave him my address and phone number and everything 250 00:15:18,571 --> 00:15:21,460 and he used to appear and sleep on our floor 251 00:15:21,460 --> 00:15:25,050 and come around the odd clubs if I was playing anywhere. 252 00:15:25,050 --> 00:15:29,312 - He was really in the forefront of British blues 253 00:15:29,312 --> 00:15:33,000 and he also played with a guy called Cyril Davies 254 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,150 who had Cyril Davies All-Stars 255 00:15:35,150 --> 00:15:39,280 and these were real pioneers of British blues 256 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,340 and it was when Alexis Korner starts a club 257 00:15:43,340 --> 00:15:47,360 in Ealing in West London in April 1962. 258 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,790 - Brian sat in, he played with Alexis at the Ealing Club 259 00:15:51,790 --> 00:15:53,280 on several occasions. 260 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,780 - He's billed himself as Elmo Lewis 261 00:15:55,780 --> 00:15:57,760 who has learned to play slide guitar. 262 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,470 He's found a piece of metal 263 00:15:59,470 --> 00:16:01,210 that he can put on his finger 264 00:16:01,210 --> 00:16:03,420 and he can therefore emulate the sounds 265 00:16:03,420 --> 00:16:05,610 of Elmore James and others. 266 00:16:05,610 --> 00:16:07,052 - Alexis talked to Brian 267 00:16:07,052 --> 00:16:08,260 and right from the beginning he thought 268 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,770 he was a very accomplished guitarist. 269 00:16:12,770 --> 00:16:15,160 He was very influential on Brian 270 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,700 because he became a father figure, I thought, 271 00:16:19,700 --> 00:16:23,683 and he started to make real plans then for going to London. 272 00:16:38,222 --> 00:16:39,055 - Well from my point of view 273 00:16:39,055 --> 00:16:40,503 the group started with Brian, really 274 00:16:40,503 --> 00:16:44,320 in that he was the first one I met. 275 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:45,920 - There would not have been a Rolling Stones 276 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,030 without Brian Jones. 277 00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:50,160 Brian Jones was the man who caused the band 278 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,676 to come into effect. 279 00:16:51,676 --> 00:16:55,532 He was the one who placed an advert in Jazz News 280 00:16:55,532 --> 00:16:58,140 looking for other members who were interested 281 00:16:58,140 --> 00:16:59,930 in a blues band. 282 00:16:59,930 --> 00:17:01,610 The first person I think to respond to it 283 00:17:01,610 --> 00:17:03,380 was Ian Stewart, the keyboard player, 284 00:17:03,380 --> 00:17:05,410 who was particularly close friend of mine. 285 00:17:05,410 --> 00:17:08,850 - Mick, Keith and myself went down to the Ealing Club 286 00:17:08,850 --> 00:17:13,470 and I think it may be the second or third week we went there 287 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,600 we saw Brian Jones play on stage with Paul Jones, 288 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:19,440 I think it was. 289 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,070 I think he played either with Paul Jones 290 00:17:22,070 --> 00:17:24,670 or Long John Bal-dree or both 291 00:17:24,670 --> 00:17:27,750 and we were just knocked out with his playing. 292 00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:30,700 The thing with Brian is he played amazing slide guitar 293 00:17:30,700 --> 00:17:34,800 and we heard people like Elmore James on record 294 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,332 and here was a guy actually doing it 295 00:17:37,332 --> 00:17:42,140 for real, for live, in Ealing which was amazing 296 00:17:42,140 --> 00:17:45,552 and so we went and talked to him 297 00:17:45,552 --> 00:17:50,110 and Brian invited Mick to go and sing with his band 298 00:17:50,110 --> 00:17:53,320 at which point he asked me if I could play bass 299 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:54,970 which I'd never done. 300 00:17:54,970 --> 00:17:58,736 That was it really, the Rolling Stones were born. 301 00:17:58,736 --> 00:18:01,720 People always seem to ask about Edith Grove, 302 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:06,430 which was absolutely where Mick, Keith and Brian lived 303 00:18:06,430 --> 00:18:10,140 and I remember going there and going oh my God, 304 00:18:10,140 --> 00:18:11,892 do people really live like this. 305 00:18:11,892 --> 00:18:14,575 - Oh my God, what a place that was. 306 00:18:14,575 --> 00:18:16,992 That was a hellhole on Earth. 307 00:18:18,190 --> 00:18:20,516 - Before hippie squats it was a hippie squat. 308 00:18:20,516 --> 00:18:23,563 - I think squat is too good a word. 309 00:18:26,260 --> 00:18:28,493 - It was summer of 1962, I guess, 310 00:18:28,493 --> 00:18:31,260 and we were having a good time. 311 00:18:31,260 --> 00:18:33,637 We'd go there every week, rehearse, 312 00:18:33,637 --> 00:18:35,690 have a lot of laughs. 313 00:18:35,690 --> 00:18:38,440 One thing which I think people don't know 314 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,283 so much about Brian, 315 00:18:40,283 --> 00:18:43,020 he actually had a brilliant sense of humor. 316 00:18:43,020 --> 00:18:45,490 I don't know, he used to pull the most ridiculous, 317 00:18:45,490 --> 00:18:47,573 gruesome faces. 318 00:18:47,573 --> 00:18:51,309 At that point we had become the Rolling Stones. 319 00:18:51,309 --> 00:18:56,309 At that point all the gigs were coming through Brian really. 320 00:18:56,497 --> 00:18:59,813 Our very first gig was the Marquee club 321 00:18:59,813 --> 00:19:03,880 which was pretty terrifying because at that point 322 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,083 it was like one of the most prestigious clubs in London. 323 00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:12,697 - I'd been to a gig at the Flamingo 324 00:19:12,697 --> 00:19:14,693 and there were about, 325 00:19:14,693 --> 00:19:17,620 probably more people on the stage 326 00:19:17,620 --> 00:19:19,880 than there were in the audience. 327 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,580 - He was a rat bastard 'cause he knew I had money 328 00:19:22,580 --> 00:19:25,300 from the Army and he used to make me go 329 00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:30,300 to the nearest wimpy bar and he'd say to me, 330 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,240 you stay here, you can't come in with us. 331 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,314 Give us some money so we can have the food 332 00:19:35,314 --> 00:19:37,000 but you stay out here 333 00:19:38,460 --> 00:19:42,370 in this really unbelievably cold winter 334 00:19:42,370 --> 00:19:44,300 'cause he had a cold streak 335 00:19:44,300 --> 00:19:47,660 and Brian desperately wanted a new guitar. 336 00:19:47,660 --> 00:19:49,372 We went around the guitar shops 337 00:19:49,372 --> 00:19:53,200 and eventually I bought him a Harmony Stratocaster. 338 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,240 - I think there was always a bone of contention 339 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,740 between Brian and Mick and Keith 340 00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:03,080 as to who's band it was, who was the leader, 341 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,073 because Brian because of starting his other band 342 00:20:07,073 --> 00:20:10,970 sort of thought well, it was his band, 343 00:20:10,970 --> 00:20:14,920 whereas really what it was a kind of amalgam 344 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,769 of Brian Jones, Brian's band 345 00:20:17,769 --> 00:20:21,760 and with Mick, Keith and myself 346 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,200 from what we had called Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys. 347 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:27,870 I, after a while of doing this, 348 00:20:27,870 --> 00:20:30,750 decided that I didn't want to play bass anymore, 349 00:20:30,750 --> 00:20:34,283 I wanted to play guitar and so I left. 350 00:20:40,150 --> 00:20:41,936 - Brian is kind of running the gig initially 351 00:20:41,936 --> 00:20:45,800 and the management team who came to see them 352 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,680 play in Richmond and signed them up 353 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,380 is this young hustler called Andrew Loog Oldham 354 00:20:51,380 --> 00:20:54,853 and Eric Easton who was much more a traditional 355 00:20:54,853 --> 00:20:57,160 English showbiz kind of guy. 356 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,581 - He was working with the Beatles on their publicity 357 00:21:00,581 --> 00:21:04,510 and he was looking for something more of his own, 358 00:21:04,510 --> 00:21:07,283 something he could move on from just being a publicist. 359 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,221 - I think the reason Andrew didn't want him in the band 360 00:21:15,221 --> 00:21:17,817 was because he didn't feel that his look 361 00:21:17,817 --> 00:21:21,490 was quite right to the image. 362 00:21:21,490 --> 00:21:25,650 - He initially saw that the route for the Stones to take 363 00:21:25,650 --> 00:21:27,909 was a similar kind of route the Beatles took 364 00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:31,629 where Brian had Epstein knocked off the rough edges 365 00:21:31,629 --> 00:21:35,070 and promoted them as a more acceptable, 366 00:21:35,070 --> 00:21:38,240 good, clean living lads and all around entertainers 367 00:21:39,410 --> 00:21:42,205 and Andrew started in that direction with them. 368 00:21:42,205 --> 00:21:43,840 They had suits that he bought for them 369 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,420 which they swiftly lost or mislaid, didn't wear 'em. 370 00:21:48,420 --> 00:21:49,790 - And I realized, 371 00:21:49,790 --> 00:21:51,880 'cause I didn't realize when I first met them 372 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,630 that it was Brian's group 373 00:21:53,630 --> 00:21:57,570 and everything revolved around him. 374 00:21:57,570 --> 00:21:59,840 He was a top class musician, Brian, 375 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,370 really a great player. 376 00:22:01,370 --> 00:22:03,620 The whole group was good but you just knew 377 00:22:03,620 --> 00:22:06,150 that he was the leader somehow or another. 378 00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:09,110 He even got paid more money than anybody else, 379 00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:10,660 unbeknownst to the other Stones 380 00:22:11,517 --> 00:22:14,829 and I remember when they found out they weren't pleased. 381 00:22:14,829 --> 00:22:19,829 - During the tour in 1963, the end of 1963 382 00:22:20,185 --> 00:22:21,770 when they're supporting the Everly Brothers, 383 00:22:21,770 --> 00:22:23,930 it emerges during that time 384 00:22:23,930 --> 00:22:27,100 that he's getting this additional five pounds a week 385 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:31,060 to everyone else and Keith Richards later said 386 00:22:31,060 --> 00:22:32,020 when we found that out, 387 00:22:32,020 --> 00:22:34,220 that was the beginning of the end for Brian. 388 00:22:45,145 --> 00:22:46,760 - I think it would've been Mick 389 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,730 rang me and said that they were doing some recordings 390 00:22:50,730 --> 00:22:54,521 and could I go along and do a number with them 391 00:22:54,521 --> 00:22:58,620 and then Andrew obviously was there 392 00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:02,110 and in fact Phil Spector was also in the studio 393 00:23:02,110 --> 00:23:04,560 at the same time 'cause Andrew was a great fan 394 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,240 of Phil Spector's. 395 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,090 On that record that I did with them 396 00:23:08,090 --> 00:23:09,840 you can hear the influence, 397 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,650 that big sort of wall of sound. 398 00:23:12,650 --> 00:23:15,860 - I thought he was really important in the studio. 399 00:23:15,860 --> 00:23:19,630 He wasn't a producer in the technical sense, I don't believe 400 00:23:19,630 --> 00:23:23,303 but he was a producer in an emotional sense. 401 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,560 - We used to laugh and talk about 402 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,470 can you imagine Mick doing this when he's 40. 403 00:23:29,470 --> 00:23:32,660 It was unheard of and we used to talk about 404 00:23:32,660 --> 00:23:35,380 what are we gonna do when all this was over 405 00:23:35,380 --> 00:23:37,440 'cause we were all convinced this was gonna last 406 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,610 one or two years and we'd have to get a proper job. 407 00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:42,930 We just had no idea it was gonna last 408 00:23:42,930 --> 00:23:47,203 or had no idea it was gonna rock the world like it did. 409 00:24:01,224 --> 00:24:03,020 - I didn't really see too much of Brian 410 00:24:03,020 --> 00:24:05,900 until myself and the Pretty Things 411 00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:10,240 which by then we were doing pretty well. 412 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,300 We got a house in Belgravia 413 00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:18,837 which is a very posh part of London which we were renting 414 00:24:18,837 --> 00:24:23,200 and the guy who had the flat downstairs 415 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,441 was letting Brian who wasn't very fond of paying rent, 416 00:24:26,441 --> 00:24:29,260 he was staying in the basement 417 00:24:29,260 --> 00:24:34,260 so then we basically saw a lot more of one another again. 418 00:24:34,420 --> 00:24:36,060 - We were both gigging 419 00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:37,838 so we got home about an hour before 420 00:24:37,838 --> 00:24:40,650 and we're all getting stoned 421 00:24:40,650 --> 00:24:43,500 and that happened to be the day 422 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:46,001 that Five by Five EP came out 423 00:24:46,001 --> 00:24:50,720 so we put it on, we're listening to it, completely stoned, 424 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,627 having a laugh like you do 425 00:24:52,627 --> 00:24:55,880 and Brian came in and he saw us 426 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,770 sitting around the record player 427 00:24:57,770 --> 00:25:00,070 and laughing with this record on. 428 00:25:00,070 --> 00:25:02,210 So he came rushing back with a ukulele 429 00:25:02,210 --> 00:25:06,730 and smashed it over Viv's head, good friends. 430 00:25:06,730 --> 00:25:09,993 So Viv is sitting there wearing this ukulele like, 431 00:25:10,913 --> 00:25:12,837 I wasn't wearing this before. 432 00:25:12,837 --> 00:25:16,100 And Brian was convinced we were taking the piss 433 00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:18,777 out of the record and when went away a week later 434 00:25:18,777 --> 00:25:23,021 he got all our singles and he melted them with a lighter 435 00:25:23,021 --> 00:25:26,350 and stuck them on the wall of the bathroom 436 00:25:26,350 --> 00:25:30,220 and wrote in shaving foam, you fucking cunts, 437 00:25:30,220 --> 00:25:34,950 you fucking wankers because he really thought, 438 00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:38,829 and we hadn't, we were really enjoying the record. 439 00:25:38,829 --> 00:25:41,240 That's paranoia for you. 440 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,750 - Brian was maybe less of a happy character 441 00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:46,660 than when I used to know him, I must say, 442 00:25:46,660 --> 00:25:49,105 even though the Stones were by that time 443 00:25:49,105 --> 00:25:51,390 very, very successful. 444 00:25:51,390 --> 00:25:52,700 - No one in the British public 445 00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:55,410 really knows about the tensions that have begun to appear 446 00:25:55,410 --> 00:25:57,420 with in this band but Brian is seen 447 00:25:57,420 --> 00:25:59,900 as the personification of the Rolling Stones. 448 00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:01,310 - I think the most important thing to us 449 00:26:01,310 --> 00:26:02,300 is when we go on stage 450 00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:04,710 is that we succeed in communicating to an audience 451 00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:06,620 and the only way we can do this is to produce 452 00:26:06,620 --> 00:26:09,700 an exciting atmosphere therefore if the kids scream 453 00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:13,113 we love it, we react to their reaction. 454 00:26:18,865 --> 00:26:19,973 - Bill was the only one 455 00:26:19,973 --> 00:26:22,437 who was coming to the house and stayed. 456 00:26:22,437 --> 00:26:25,917 Very often, you know, sleep there 457 00:26:25,917 --> 00:26:30,917 and I knew that Bill was really, he really liked Brian. 458 00:26:33,850 --> 00:26:37,120 But the others I knew, I knew I could feel 459 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:41,577 that there was a sort of bad feeling about him. 460 00:26:41,577 --> 00:26:45,414 But Brian was really a nice boy. 461 00:26:45,414 --> 00:26:48,325 He was crying almost every night. 462 00:26:48,325 --> 00:26:52,860 He was telling me about the film he wanted to do with me 463 00:26:52,860 --> 00:26:56,577 and he was telling me how vulgar were the songs 464 00:26:56,577 --> 00:26:58,405 of Keith and Mick. 465 00:26:58,405 --> 00:27:02,010 Oh yeah, he was really pissed off with them already 466 00:27:02,889 --> 00:27:06,410 because he thought that it was not the music 467 00:27:06,410 --> 00:27:11,367 that he really loved and that the old group was his group 468 00:27:11,367 --> 00:27:13,940 and suddenly he was feeling that the group 469 00:27:13,940 --> 00:27:15,720 was escaping from him. 470 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,620 - He still felt he was leader of the group 471 00:27:17,620 --> 00:27:19,610 for the couple years after it started 472 00:27:19,610 --> 00:27:21,840 and he used to be a bit bitter under the surface 473 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,507 that Mick was the leader of the group, not him, 474 00:27:23,507 --> 00:27:25,837 and the fact that they were recording 475 00:27:25,837 --> 00:27:27,743 all Mick and Keith's songs. 476 00:27:27,743 --> 00:27:30,720 Brian was incapable of writing music 477 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,263 and so I'm not really sure what else he wanted them to do. 478 00:27:33,785 --> 00:27:36,357 - Keith and Mick realized it early on 479 00:27:36,357 --> 00:27:40,460 and Andrew realized early on that the money was to be made 480 00:27:40,460 --> 00:27:45,460 both working and composing and doing your own songs. 481 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:49,297 A matter of necessity would change 482 00:27:49,297 --> 00:27:51,700 the direction of the band. 483 00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:53,330 - No, we're sort of developing 484 00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:55,810 in lots of different directions musically, I think. 485 00:27:55,810 --> 00:27:59,000 - Brian's big complaint to me was he got 486 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,000 a bigger mailbag as Mick and he wanted to sing a song 487 00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:06,997 and I said fuck off, Mick's 488 00:28:08,977 --> 00:28:10,913 sing a song, you can't, he probably could sing. 489 00:28:10,913 --> 00:28:13,493 I said why are you rocking the boat? 490 00:28:13,493 --> 00:28:15,880 Get on with it. 491 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,507 He said, "Yeah but you know, 492 00:28:17,507 --> 00:28:19,790 "I got as many a fans as Mick." 493 00:28:19,790 --> 00:28:23,070 So that was his big beef. 494 00:28:23,070 --> 00:28:25,830 - By the time of the third American tour 495 00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:30,510 Brian is starting to get into what we see as his demise. 496 00:28:30,510 --> 00:28:32,660 He's very into uppers, he's also drinking a lot, 497 00:28:32,660 --> 00:28:33,930 Brian also drank a lot 498 00:28:33,930 --> 00:28:38,180 and later you would see this puffiness on his face. 499 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,380 - Satisfaction changed everything not only in terms 500 00:28:56,380 --> 00:28:58,269 of the commercial success of the band, 501 00:28:58,269 --> 00:29:01,930 the broadness of the audience, the success in America, 502 00:29:01,930 --> 00:29:04,460 all of those things but it also changed 503 00:29:04,460 --> 00:29:06,761 the dynamic of the band because Mick and Keith 504 00:29:06,761 --> 00:29:09,650 were suddenly established as the songwriters. 505 00:29:09,650 --> 00:29:11,670 Suddenly the band was going to be doing 506 00:29:11,670 --> 00:29:14,530 their original material and that changed 507 00:29:14,530 --> 00:29:16,580 the dynamic of the band. 508 00:29:16,580 --> 00:29:17,970 - Once that was established, 509 00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:20,425 the focus or the tension in the band 510 00:29:20,425 --> 00:29:24,770 changed to the lead singer and the lead guitarist 511 00:29:24,770 --> 00:29:26,120 who were writing the songs. 512 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,730 Brian got sidelined 513 00:29:27,730 --> 00:29:29,557 and Brian couldn't take that kind of thing. 514 00:29:29,557 --> 00:29:32,258 It was a massive blow to his self esteem. 515 00:29:32,258 --> 00:29:35,245 - That's why he started to drink more, 516 00:29:35,245 --> 00:29:38,040 take more pills every day 517 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,530 and there was always nice people to bring 518 00:29:40,530 --> 00:29:45,210 huge quantities of pills for Brian. 519 00:29:45,210 --> 00:29:48,800 - He was unequipped for fame, he was fragile 520 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,641 and he was quite comfortable while he was emulating 521 00:29:51,641 --> 00:29:55,970 the inspiration or aspects of these heroes 522 00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:59,665 like Muddy Waters or Bo Diddley or whoever. 523 00:29:59,665 --> 00:30:02,545 He was comfortable in his own world. 524 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,190 Soon as they try to move him out of that 525 00:30:20,190 --> 00:30:23,120 and get him to write his own songs he was uncomfortable. 526 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,343 - Pop songwriting was not something 527 00:30:26,343 --> 00:30:28,470 that he could easily knock off 528 00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:32,317 and Brian was extremely instrumental, 529 00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:37,165 fundamentally instrumental in making every one 530 00:30:37,165 --> 00:30:42,165 of those hit songs immortal by his contributions. 531 00:30:43,890 --> 00:30:45,713 - Yes, I think he was highly thought of. 532 00:30:45,713 --> 00:30:50,713 He was clearly extremely adept as a musician. 533 00:30:51,020 --> 00:30:53,787 He was able to play almost any instrument. 534 00:30:53,787 --> 00:30:57,600 - Things like Under My Thumb where he played marimba 535 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,380 and then he played sitar of course on Paint It Black. 536 00:31:01,380 --> 00:31:03,890 He could pick up an instrument whether it be an oboe 537 00:31:03,890 --> 00:31:08,890 or Mellotron and he could change the aspect of the song 538 00:31:09,009 --> 00:31:11,229 so that it became a hit. 539 00:31:11,229 --> 00:31:13,563 He made hit records. 540 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,681 - Acid is an extraordinary tool to explore 541 00:31:29,681 --> 00:31:34,540 magical dimensions that exist within oneself. 542 00:31:34,540 --> 00:31:39,540 When Brian felt comfortable and saw the wealth 543 00:31:41,860 --> 00:31:45,250 and the benefit of these things, 544 00:31:45,250 --> 00:31:48,360 being ultrasensitive as an individual, 545 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,560 he would easily fall prey to undue fears. 546 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,885 - Brian was definitely the most experimental 547 00:31:55,885 --> 00:32:00,885 in terms of drug use at that point in time. 548 00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:04,001 He was a tortured soul. 549 00:32:04,001 --> 00:32:06,100 He was out of balance. 550 00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:09,039 He had psychological issues. 551 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:12,810 Looking back, I think probably he was 552 00:32:12,810 --> 00:32:17,810 an undiagnosed bipolar, unmedicated bipolar. 553 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,760 We were all too young and too inexperienced 554 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,000 to know how to deal with that. 555 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,167 I mean, yes, he was a cracked person, 556 00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:10,440 - Anita was an extraordinary personality, 557 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,750 was so vibrant and so intelligent 558 00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:18,750 and so inspiring and so avant guard in her sexuality 559 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,240 and everything else that obviously Brian 560 00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:27,020 would be hopelessly in love with her 561 00:34:27,020 --> 00:34:28,840 and remain hopelessly in love with her 562 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,173 despite all the other girls. 563 00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:53,134 - She scared me a bit, I found her scary. 564 00:34:53,134 --> 00:34:56,374 I think she was very intelligent 565 00:34:56,374 --> 00:35:00,180 but she got into some weird areas. 566 00:35:00,180 --> 00:35:02,620 - When she came and joined Brian 567 00:35:02,620 --> 00:35:05,990 at a break in the tour in Miami 568 00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:08,380 they certainly did a lot of acid 569 00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:10,340 over a couple days that she stayed 570 00:35:11,180 --> 00:35:13,489 and I think everybody knew that. 571 00:35:13,489 --> 00:35:16,660 I don't recall anybody else doing acid 572 00:35:16,660 --> 00:35:18,820 at that particular moment in time. 573 00:35:18,820 --> 00:35:22,740 - Keith Richards was with this girl called Linda Keith 574 00:35:22,740 --> 00:35:27,130 who left him and he was very cut up about it 575 00:35:27,130 --> 00:35:30,580 so he took refuge with Brian and Anita. 576 00:35:30,580 --> 00:35:33,610 - Kind of reignited Brian and Keith, 577 00:35:33,610 --> 00:35:35,920 the friendship that they had when the lived 578 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,320 together in Fuller but there's a lot of drugs going on. 579 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,670 - They always blame Anita for everything that happened 580 00:35:44,670 --> 00:35:47,300 but it's totally unfair because Brian 581 00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:52,300 was not by any stretch of the imagination a faithful guy. 582 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:58,520 - Brian was a very touching character. 583 00:35:58,570 --> 00:36:03,570 You could not help being intrigued by him. 584 00:36:03,605 --> 00:36:07,666 There was something very vulnerable about him, 585 00:36:07,666 --> 00:36:12,666 very sensitive, he had an incredible insight into people 586 00:36:14,030 --> 00:36:17,370 an almost devilish insight. 587 00:36:17,370 --> 00:36:20,370 Now that was the mean side of him 588 00:36:20,370 --> 00:36:23,570 that if he saw through people 589 00:36:23,570 --> 00:36:28,570 and then used what he felt was their weakness somehow 590 00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:30,880 to torture them. 591 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,380 - He invited me around to his apartment 592 00:36:33,380 --> 00:36:36,139 with his girlfriend, we had dinner together 593 00:36:36,139 --> 00:36:41,139 and I sold him a German uniform he bought from me 594 00:36:41,539 --> 00:36:44,329 'cause I was so military at the time as well. 595 00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:49,329 - And he had this need to challenge people, 596 00:36:50,770 --> 00:36:55,761 challenge the public by showing up in a Nazi uniform 597 00:36:55,761 --> 00:37:00,761 which you could do that maybe in London 598 00:37:01,261 --> 00:37:06,261 but in Munich it was not funny. 599 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,560 - Towards the end of that summer, 600 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,410 Brian and Anita go to Morocco 601 00:37:13,410 --> 00:37:17,420 where Brian and Anita have a huge row 602 00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:21,010 and Brian tries to punch her, maybe does punch her 603 00:37:21,010 --> 00:37:23,880 but certainly punches the wall and breaks his hand. 604 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,220 - He did break his wrist one time in Africa 605 00:37:27,220 --> 00:37:31,290 and from then on he just didn't wanna play guitar. 606 00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:34,790 He played soprano sax on a Beatles B-side. 607 00:37:49,790 --> 00:37:54,200 - One day on the set, Anita came to see me. 608 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:59,200 Brian had left and she said Brian is asking 609 00:37:59,620 --> 00:38:02,023 whether he could do the music for the movie. 610 00:38:03,070 --> 00:38:04,944 I was speechless. 611 00:38:04,944 --> 00:38:08,102 You don't turn down the offer of a Stone 612 00:38:08,102 --> 00:38:12,410 to do your music in 1967. 613 00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:17,410 Allen Klein just had taken over the management of the Stones 614 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,876 and Brian said you got to come with me to see him 615 00:38:22,876 --> 00:38:25,998 and he was as scared of him, I think, as I was 616 00:38:25,998 --> 00:38:30,640 and convince him that he let me do this. 617 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,180 And a couple of months later during which time 618 00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:38,391 he was supposed to compose the music 619 00:38:38,391 --> 00:38:41,041 he was in very bad shape. 620 00:38:41,041 --> 00:38:45,100 He was not always in the state that he could work 621 00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:47,331 or focus or concentrate 622 00:38:47,331 --> 00:38:50,670 or even show up before one at night or so. 623 00:38:50,670 --> 00:38:53,030 He asked for a lot of musicians, 624 00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:56,747 a wonderful pianist, Nicky Hopkins, to come in. 625 00:38:56,747 --> 00:39:00,320 Keith Richards fortunately showed up 626 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,593 who saved the recording session. 627 00:39:04,610 --> 00:39:07,420 - Jimmy Page plays on that for example 628 00:39:07,420 --> 00:39:11,780 and the soundtrack never came out as an LP 629 00:39:11,780 --> 00:39:15,040 but it's sensational, in fact. 630 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:20,040 - I was in the recording studio when it became vividly clear 631 00:39:22,650 --> 00:39:27,650 that the band were going in a direction without Andrew. 632 00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:31,630 They were recording Satanic, the tension was really 633 00:39:31,630 --> 00:39:34,810 increasingly unpleasant, particularly Mick and Keith 634 00:39:34,810 --> 00:39:37,680 were coming to the sessions later and later. 635 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,940 - In 67 when I stayed with him 636 00:39:40,940 --> 00:39:44,103 we started working on stuff together 637 00:39:44,103 --> 00:39:47,419 which was very avant guard 638 00:39:47,419 --> 00:39:50,620 because he was always ahead of the curve 639 00:39:50,620 --> 00:39:53,980 and he wanted to do some proto rap things 640 00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:57,587 with my using words that I was coming up with 641 00:39:57,587 --> 00:40:02,587 and saying oh can we use this but not on a separate project, 642 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,590 on a Rolling Stones project, 643 00:40:04,590 --> 00:40:07,123 so he was convinced that this would somehow fit. 644 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,430 - Sergeant Norman Pilcher was an opportunist career cop 645 00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:22,563 based in the London drug squadron in the 1960's. 646 00:40:22,563 --> 00:40:26,530 He made a name for himself during the decade 647 00:40:26,530 --> 00:40:28,350 for busting high profile pop stars. 648 00:40:28,350 --> 00:40:31,294 - Sergeant Pilcher was known as the groupie cop. 649 00:40:31,294 --> 00:40:35,855 He busted John Lennon and Yoko Ono, 650 00:40:35,855 --> 00:40:40,855 George Harrison and it's always very dubious. 651 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,700 - Pilcher's first strike on the music industry 652 00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:46,500 occurred in 1966 where he went for Donovan. 653 00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:50,180 This dovetailed with the News of the World article 654 00:40:50,180 --> 00:40:52,560 Pop Stars and Drugs, so it was obvious from that point 655 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,433 that the press were working hand in hand with the police. 656 00:40:56,433 --> 00:41:00,840 Brian Jones, he had the misfortune to meet two reporters 657 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,930 undercover from News of the World 658 00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:06,380 and who managed to talk him into revealing 659 00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:09,680 all sorts of detail about his drug use. 660 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,940 When Brian would continually reference his leader 661 00:41:11,940 --> 00:41:13,260 of the Rolling Stones status 662 00:41:13,260 --> 00:41:15,140 they scurried back to their offices 663 00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:17,135 to say we've got Mick Jagger talking about drug use. 664 00:41:17,135 --> 00:41:20,160 This in turn went into the second feature 665 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,325 of Pop Stars and Drugs saying that Mick Jagger 666 00:41:22,325 --> 00:41:26,410 had been in a club in London talking about his drug use. 667 00:41:26,410 --> 00:41:27,810 When this was disseminated 668 00:41:27,810 --> 00:41:29,360 at the Rolling Stones organization 669 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,620 Mick Jagger who was in Italy at the time 670 00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:34,279 slapped liable suit on the News of the World. 671 00:41:34,279 --> 00:41:37,550 So the News of the World were in a quandary 672 00:41:37,550 --> 00:41:40,590 and the only way they could embarrass the liable suit 673 00:41:40,590 --> 00:41:43,030 was to find Mick Jagger in possession of drugs. 674 00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:45,610 Now, within the next few days 675 00:41:45,610 --> 00:41:47,525 a furious amount of activity went on 676 00:41:47,525 --> 00:41:50,750 to penetrate the Rolling Stones organization, 677 00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:54,100 penetrate Mick and Keith's movements 678 00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:55,650 and as luck would have it for them 679 00:41:55,650 --> 00:41:58,980 that a party was being held at Redlands in Sussex 680 00:41:58,980 --> 00:41:59,930 which was gonna be attended 681 00:41:59,930 --> 00:42:01,370 by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. 682 00:42:01,370 --> 00:42:05,130 - The Redlands bust, which is February 67, 683 00:42:05,130 --> 00:42:06,690 Brian isn't there. 684 00:42:06,690 --> 00:42:08,810 In fact, he's not there because he's been working 685 00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:11,190 on the soundtrack of A Degree of Murder 686 00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:13,267 and he and Anita are supposed to go down there. 687 00:42:13,267 --> 00:42:15,890 - The party took place and the News of the World 688 00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:17,130 tipped off the local police 689 00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:19,470 who mounted a raid on the property. 690 00:42:19,470 --> 00:42:21,630 They found a few roaches, 691 00:42:21,630 --> 00:42:23,140 they found in a coat of Mick Jagger's 692 00:42:23,140 --> 00:42:24,870 four amphetamine pills which would have been 693 00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:27,050 legally acquired in Italy. 694 00:42:27,050 --> 00:42:28,550 More damning for one of their party, 695 00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:31,340 Robert Fraser they found 20 plus heroin tablets 696 00:42:31,340 --> 00:42:32,840 in his jacket pocket. 697 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,450 But as far as News of the World was concerned 698 00:42:34,450 --> 00:42:36,650 it meant they'd embarrassed the liable suit. 699 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,570 - They decide to go to Morocco 700 00:42:47,570 --> 00:42:50,270 and then they drive down to through France 701 00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:53,150 and on the first day Brian is sitting in the back of the car 702 00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:55,220 just rolling immense joints 703 00:42:55,220 --> 00:42:59,090 and eventually he basically collapses, 704 00:42:59,090 --> 00:43:00,950 he kind of has an asthmatic attack 705 00:43:00,950 --> 00:43:02,630 and they leave him in hospital 706 00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:04,660 and they continue on their way. 707 00:43:04,660 --> 00:43:07,662 He's gonna join them when he gets out of hospital. 708 00:43:07,662 --> 00:43:12,662 - Anita didn't callously abandon Brian for Keith. 709 00:43:13,930 --> 00:43:18,420 This affair started but she was torn between two lovers 710 00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:20,720 and she wrote, what people don't know 711 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:24,420 is that she wrote every day to Brian 712 00:43:24,420 --> 00:43:26,320 and Brian every day to her. 713 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,800 Indeed, Brian made me read Anita's letters. 714 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,530 In this case he pushed the wrong buttons 715 00:43:34,530 --> 00:43:36,360 and got the wrong effects 716 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,470 and he could've, when he got more physical with her 717 00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:43,330 to put it mildly there was a problem, 718 00:43:43,330 --> 00:43:46,700 what would they do and they decided 719 00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:48,800 that to avoid a worse problem 720 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,050 the best thing to do was to leave. 721 00:43:51,050 --> 00:43:53,010 - They split to Tangiers 722 00:43:53,010 --> 00:43:55,880 and they leave Brian with the bill. 723 00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,130 There was kind of a lot of nastiness towards Brian. 724 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,260 - The problem is that Brian felt abandoned 725 00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:26,540 and being paranoid he felt, 726 00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:28,760 oh, they've left me behind sort of thing. 727 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,600 He was devastated by being left behind 728 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,210 but after the fact he told me 729 00:44:35,210 --> 00:44:38,290 that he was himself to blame. 730 00:44:38,290 --> 00:44:42,350 - During the sessions when we recorded in London 731 00:44:42,350 --> 00:44:46,340 everything was more or less fine with Anita and Brian 732 00:44:46,340 --> 00:44:49,400 even though she was very upset that he didn't 733 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,370 make more of this opportunity 734 00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:56,560 and the fact that Keith stepped in to help out 735 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,130 and to get the thing done should've been a hint 736 00:45:00,130 --> 00:45:01,753 but I was unaware of it. 737 00:45:03,260 --> 00:45:05,590 Two months later the film premiered 738 00:45:05,590 --> 00:45:07,438 at the Cannes Film Festival. 739 00:45:07,438 --> 00:45:10,840 Anita showed up with Brian, of course, 740 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,093 and we were on the red carpet and all that 741 00:45:13,093 --> 00:45:17,730 and it was a great event but Keith was there as well. 742 00:45:17,730 --> 00:45:21,100 - Brian was determined to get Anita back. 743 00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:24,450 These arrangements were made and much to Brian's relief 744 00:45:24,450 --> 00:45:27,300 I went with him to Cannes with the intention 745 00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:32,300 of seeing whether we could engineer a reconciliation 746 00:45:32,530 --> 00:45:36,290 between Brian and Anita. 747 00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:41,290 It was a very joyous night and it was full of affection 748 00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:46,720 and good times but it became very clear to all of us 749 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,270 that she would not go back to Brian. 750 00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:55,470 I told Brian, look, the best thing to do 751 00:45:55,470 --> 00:45:57,674 is let's fly in Suki. 752 00:45:57,674 --> 00:46:01,960 I thought she'd be a good substitute 753 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,620 and indeed she was for a while a very good substitute 754 00:46:05,620 --> 00:46:08,440 and she took it but she wasn't Anita. 755 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,460 She had the looks but she didn't have the character, 756 00:46:12,460 --> 00:46:16,850 she didn't have this amazing Anita vibe. 757 00:46:16,850 --> 00:46:19,710 - What I firmly believe was the turning point 758 00:46:19,710 --> 00:46:23,820 in Brian's life was when he lost the only girl 759 00:46:23,820 --> 00:46:25,922 he ever really loved. 760 00:46:25,922 --> 00:46:29,384 I think this was a very severe blow to him. 761 00:46:29,384 --> 00:46:34,100 He changed suddenly and alarmingly 762 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,874 from a bright, enthusiastic young man 763 00:46:37,874 --> 00:46:42,874 to a quiet and morose and inward-looking young man. 764 00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:48,710 - Very interestingly on the day Mick and Keith 765 00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:51,370 were formally charged with possession of drugs 766 00:46:51,370 --> 00:46:53,270 following the Redlands raid, 767 00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:56,830 Pilcher's squad mounted a raid on Brian's flat 768 00:46:56,830 --> 00:46:59,560 in South Kensington on Courtfield Road 769 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,013 where Brian was present. 770 00:47:04,740 --> 00:47:09,590 - We arrived fairly late in the evening 771 00:47:09,590 --> 00:47:12,620 and went to bed at Courtfield Road 772 00:47:13,909 --> 00:47:18,460 and in the morning the phone was ringing off the hook 773 00:47:18,460 --> 00:47:21,570 and they were all calling us because everybody 774 00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:25,003 seems to have been tipped off that we would be busted. 775 00:47:26,122 --> 00:47:28,760 And they all said, have you been busted 776 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,970 and we said what are you talking about? 777 00:47:30,970 --> 00:47:33,430 We talked to Robert Fraser who said 778 00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:36,830 let me send Mohammad, my servant, 779 00:47:36,830 --> 00:47:39,875 to clean up Courtfield Road. 780 00:47:39,875 --> 00:47:41,957 And there was likelihood that drugs were secluded somewhere 781 00:47:41,957 --> 00:47:45,320 and with a team of Pilcher's squad raiding the place 782 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,240 they would probably find drugs 783 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:50,030 but also which has later come to light 784 00:47:50,030 --> 00:47:51,760 it probably didn't matter 'cause Pilcher's squad 785 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,830 would probably bring their own just in case. 786 00:47:53,830 --> 00:47:56,932 - When I went to the door to open the door 787 00:47:56,932 --> 00:47:59,410 for whom I took to be Mohammad 788 00:48:00,730 --> 00:48:03,560 there was this rush of people that again, 789 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,500 I took to be reporters. 790 00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:09,240 I tried to close the door but they were faster than I was 791 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:14,240 and they knocked me backwards and then they rushed forward 792 00:48:14,460 --> 00:48:17,170 and steadied me before I hit the wall 793 00:48:17,170 --> 00:48:21,377 and said, "So sorry, sir, but here we have a warrant 794 00:48:21,377 --> 00:48:24,124 "to search these premises for drugs." 795 00:48:24,124 --> 00:48:28,870 - The raid took place under the glare of the press corps 796 00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:31,160 who were camped out outside the flat. 797 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,451 - They marched straight over to where Brian had his bed 798 00:48:35,451 --> 00:48:38,770 on the floor, they flipped his mattress 799 00:48:38,770 --> 00:48:43,770 and very conveniently a kind of cheap-o leather wallet 800 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:48,230 came out and this cop with a big smile on his face 801 00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:51,163 looked at it and it was full of this grass. 802 00:48:52,354 --> 00:48:56,210 Then they found this empty vial 803 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,537 and this cop said to us, 804 00:48:59,537 --> 00:49:03,542 "Ooh, I would like to know what's been in there." 805 00:49:03,542 --> 00:49:05,550 And we said, "What?" 806 00:49:05,550 --> 00:49:09,787 I remember Brian, it was like this stupid act, what! 807 00:49:09,787 --> 00:49:13,340 And he looked and he said, "Cocaine." 808 00:49:13,340 --> 00:49:14,760 And we went, "Oh no!" 809 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:19,760 You know, like this, and he went yeah, but you know, 810 00:49:19,780 --> 00:49:23,060 what could be, I'm not gonna charge you for that, 811 00:49:23,060 --> 00:49:26,400 am I, he said, what could be in there? 812 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,090 One thousandth, those are the exact words, 813 00:49:29,090 --> 00:49:33,410 I'll never forget them, one thousandth of a grain? 814 00:49:33,410 --> 00:49:36,214 We were taken down to Chelsea police station 815 00:49:36,214 --> 00:49:40,270 and it was a media frenzy. 816 00:49:40,270 --> 00:49:41,993 There were hundreds of reporters 817 00:49:41,993 --> 00:49:45,070 and suddenly someone from the office came 818 00:49:45,070 --> 00:49:47,737 and posted bail for both of us 819 00:49:47,737 --> 00:49:51,533 and so we were told that we were free to go 820 00:49:51,533 --> 00:49:54,750 until the next day when we had to go to court 821 00:49:54,750 --> 00:49:59,490 but meanwhile Brian was caving in slowly 822 00:49:59,490 --> 00:50:02,170 because his defense said you better not see 823 00:50:02,170 --> 00:50:04,390 any of the other Rolling Stones, 824 00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:07,329 don't hang out with Stash too much. 825 00:50:07,329 --> 00:50:11,157 You gotta stay away because if they bust you again together 826 00:50:11,157 --> 00:50:13,521 it could make your case worse 827 00:50:13,521 --> 00:50:17,501 so Brian got a bit isolated and then 828 00:50:17,501 --> 00:50:22,501 I was absolutely astounded and both Brian and I 829 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,760 looked at each other in horror because that's when we heard 830 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,645 the police lie and call us naive if you will 831 00:50:31,645 --> 00:50:35,350 but we never expected Scotland Yard, 832 00:50:35,350 --> 00:50:36,620 we thought we can lie 833 00:50:36,620 --> 00:50:39,860 but they're not allowed to lie. 834 00:50:39,860 --> 00:50:43,070 But they did because their account of the bust 835 00:50:43,070 --> 00:50:47,780 and what we said and so on was so completely wrong 836 00:50:47,780 --> 00:50:52,780 and inaccurate that we were absolutely horrified 837 00:50:53,070 --> 00:50:58,070 and so again we were remanded to be tried by jury later on 838 00:50:59,005 --> 00:51:04,005 and during that time after our second court appearance 839 00:51:05,060 --> 00:51:07,973 that's when Brian started to fall apart. 840 00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:29,600 Brian was somebody that everybody looked up to. 841 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:34,170 When he was on top of his game nobody could beat him 842 00:51:34,170 --> 00:51:38,060 and certainly nobody disrespected him in those days. 843 00:51:38,060 --> 00:51:42,660 Everybody deferred to him, in the studio and everything. 844 00:51:42,660 --> 00:51:44,440 His word was king. 845 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,440 He only lost that edge when after we were busted 846 00:51:49,478 --> 00:51:54,200 and he was unfortunately introduced to Mandrax 847 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,670 and he took like a doctor order to these prescription pills 848 00:51:58,670 --> 00:52:00,830 and started to overindulge in them 849 00:52:00,830 --> 00:52:03,840 and then he became absolutely useless. 850 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,078 - Brian again being of a rather weak nature 851 00:52:08,078 --> 00:52:12,626 would succumb to almost any temptation. 852 00:52:12,626 --> 00:52:16,000 He could resist anything but temptation. 853 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,630 - I remember seeing him at Olympic being propped up 854 00:52:19,630 --> 00:52:24,300 in the booth and basically given the instrument 855 00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:26,970 and he did play and he managed to play 856 00:52:26,970 --> 00:52:29,720 but he was almost falling over. 857 00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:33,943 So yes, it was very difficult and it was tragic. 858 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,940 - Earlier Jones admitted that he'd allowed his flat 859 00:52:39,940 --> 00:52:42,250 in Courtfield Road in West Kensington 860 00:52:42,250 --> 00:52:44,570 to be used for drug taking. 861 00:52:44,570 --> 00:52:48,020 The prosecution said a total of 35 and a quarter 862 00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:49,060 grains of cannabis, 863 00:52:49,060 --> 00:52:52,090 that's enough to make about seven to 10 cigarettes 864 00:52:52,090 --> 00:52:53,496 were found in his flat. 865 00:52:53,496 --> 00:52:57,407 Jones is said to have told police, "Yes, it is hash. 866 00:52:57,407 --> 00:53:00,347 "I do smoke it, but not cocaine, man. 867 00:53:00,347 --> 00:53:02,300 "That's not my scene." 868 00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:04,478 - None of us spoke like that. 869 00:53:04,478 --> 00:53:09,478 They just made it up to make it sound plausible. 870 00:53:09,970 --> 00:53:12,937 So the whole thing was completely trumped up. 871 00:53:12,937 --> 00:53:16,710 - Jones in evidence said he had taken drugs in the past 872 00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:19,330 to a slight extent but he'd now decided to have 873 00:53:19,330 --> 00:53:21,430 absolutely nothing to do with them. 874 00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:23,558 He was never really dependent on them 875 00:53:23,558 --> 00:53:26,580 but was only an occasional smoker. 876 00:53:26,580 --> 00:53:28,600 - He didn't listen to me, sadly. 877 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:33,600 I went to the gallery, he did the stupidest move of his life 878 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,420 which would prove fatal to him. 879 00:53:36,420 --> 00:53:37,794 He pled guilty. 880 00:53:37,794 --> 00:53:40,958 - When sentence was passed, Jones winced 881 00:53:40,958 --> 00:53:44,250 and a number of teenage girls in the public gallery 882 00:53:44,250 --> 00:53:46,346 stood up and burst into tears. 883 00:53:52,330 --> 00:53:55,150 Passing sentence, Mr. Reginald Seton, the chairman, 884 00:53:55,150 --> 00:53:58,030 told Jones you occupy a position 885 00:53:58,030 --> 00:54:00,640 by which you have a large following of youth 886 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,010 and therefore it behooves you to set an example. 887 00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:07,310 - So I think it's likely that given the evidence 888 00:54:07,310 --> 00:54:10,760 was conclusive on Brian that he had no other option 889 00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,130 than to declare himself guilty. 890 00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:16,492 - He totally let down the side 891 00:54:16,492 --> 00:54:19,520 and it was a huge tactical miss, 892 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,166 a heartbreaking, huge tactical mistake. 893 00:54:23,166 --> 00:54:28,166 And a tragic mistake because he was sentenced 894 00:54:28,656 --> 00:54:32,860 to jail time and there was this manifestation 895 00:54:32,860 --> 00:54:37,100 and yes, he did spend the night, then they released, 896 00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:41,092 had this nervous breakdown almost and so on and so forth 897 00:54:41,092 --> 00:54:46,092 but it escalated where in October of 67 898 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,820 he had about a year and a half to live, not quite two years. 899 00:54:50,820 --> 00:54:53,120 - His drug taking was obvious. 900 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,650 He was a victim and easy prey for the police 901 00:54:57,650 --> 00:55:01,040 and the establishment so they were picking on him. 902 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,500 Mick and Keith were much stronger, they were resilient, 903 00:55:04,500 --> 00:55:06,490 they were able to cope with it much better. 904 00:55:06,490 --> 00:55:11,010 They were able to even exploit it in a positive way 905 00:55:11,010 --> 00:55:14,713 if that's possible but Brian was just going downhill. 906 00:55:23,230 --> 00:55:26,060 - It was a plot to get rid of the Rolling Stones 907 00:55:26,060 --> 00:55:31,060 once and for all and Brian was seen as the anchor 908 00:55:31,210 --> 00:55:35,110 or the person who was the best musician and so on 909 00:55:35,110 --> 00:55:38,310 and decapitating the Rolling Stones, 910 00:55:38,310 --> 00:55:40,210 you already had Mick and Keith, 911 00:55:40,210 --> 00:55:41,970 those guys were going to jail. 912 00:55:41,970 --> 00:55:46,021 If you jailed Brian that was the end of the band 913 00:55:46,021 --> 00:55:48,260 and it was finished, 914 00:55:48,260 --> 00:55:50,760 there would be no Rolling Stones anymore 915 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,830 and this terrible influence 916 00:55:52,830 --> 00:55:57,320 that the Rolling Stones would have on the youth 917 00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,730 was this menace, was being averted 918 00:56:01,730 --> 00:56:06,640 by this fucking bowler-hatted establishment. 919 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,490 - It's interesting because where Mick and Keith 920 00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:10,720 in the Redlands raid were under advice 921 00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:14,284 to swear not guilty of the charges, 922 00:56:14,284 --> 00:56:18,892 Brian was advised to plead guilty. 923 00:56:18,892 --> 00:56:21,120 The circumstances of the Redlands raid 924 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,856 were the evidence was flimsy. 925 00:56:23,856 --> 00:56:26,640 Brian's was perhaps more damning. 926 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:31,470 - Brian just wasn't equipped to cope with that 927 00:56:31,470 --> 00:56:33,840 and there was nobody to help. 928 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:38,088 We didn't know how to support him 929 00:56:38,088 --> 00:56:41,100 and he was a manipulative person 930 00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:46,083 and he was a person who would push you to the very limits. 931 00:57:04,516 --> 00:57:06,520 - When I seen Brian just a few months earlier, 932 00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,344 in January he came in the studio 933 00:57:08,344 --> 00:57:11,090 when I was working as a tape op 934 00:57:11,090 --> 00:57:14,220 for All Along the Watchtower, Jimi Hendrix, 935 00:57:14,220 --> 00:57:16,744 and he came down hanging out with his girlfriend. 936 00:57:16,744 --> 00:57:20,940 And he seemed really sharp and on the case 937 00:57:20,940 --> 00:57:24,139 and he didn't look overweight or anything, 938 00:57:24,139 --> 00:57:25,836 he looked pretty healthy 939 00:57:25,836 --> 00:57:30,064 and then to see him three or four months later 940 00:57:30,064 --> 00:57:32,640 where he'd kind of put on a lot of weight, 941 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,540 he was very puffy, that thing you get when you drink a lot 942 00:57:35,540 --> 00:57:37,960 or you're taking drink and pills. 943 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,530 It was something had been going on. 944 00:57:40,530 --> 00:57:42,690 He wasn't like unconscious, 945 00:57:42,690 --> 00:57:44,900 people have said so many things about this guy. 946 00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:47,797 He could still function but he obviously wasn't well. 947 00:57:47,797 --> 00:57:49,850 No one really bothered to talk to him, 948 00:57:49,850 --> 00:57:51,156 he was put in a booth. 949 00:57:51,156 --> 00:57:53,110 He's in the same room as everyone 950 00:57:53,110 --> 00:57:54,370 but they had screens all around him 951 00:57:54,370 --> 00:57:56,392 because he mainly was playing acoustic. 952 00:57:56,392 --> 00:57:59,870 He got treated pretty bad by that point 953 00:57:59,870 --> 00:58:01,610 but I think one of the highlights 954 00:58:01,610 --> 00:58:03,304 or the magic that you were talking about earlier 955 00:58:03,304 --> 00:58:07,470 was the No Expectations and the solo 956 00:58:07,470 --> 00:58:09,406 that Brian played on that. 957 00:58:09,406 --> 00:58:13,840 If you think of the kind of state he was in in a way 958 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,180 or perhaps they're not getting as much from him 959 00:58:17,180 --> 00:58:19,830 as other members of the band, let's put it that way, 960 00:58:19,830 --> 00:58:23,070 I disagree when people have said that his mic 961 00:58:23,070 --> 00:58:24,730 wasn't even plugged in, 962 00:58:24,730 --> 00:58:27,345 that's just another kind of let's get at Brian. 963 00:58:27,345 --> 00:58:29,660 If it was good it would've been used. 964 00:58:29,660 --> 00:58:32,150 If it wasn't it could be replaced, we had eight tracks. 965 00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:35,160 But that night when he played the solo on that 966 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,013 it was just stunning. 967 00:58:44,487 --> 00:58:46,940 - We could call it persecution if you like, 968 00:58:46,940 --> 00:58:50,880 we could call it some personal misconduct 969 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,400 and the consequences thereof. 970 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,610 However you approach it 971 00:58:55,610 --> 00:58:58,290 and however it's acceptable to other people. 972 00:58:58,290 --> 00:59:02,120 - After that bust at Courtfield Road he was on the run. 973 00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,920 He was paranoid, he couldn't feel safe anywhere. 974 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,980 He'd moved within Chelsea 975 00:59:06,980 --> 00:59:09,020 and yet then a second raid occurred. 976 00:59:09,020 --> 00:59:11,400 To me, this is far more obvious that the drugs were planted 977 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,440 because the marijuana that was found 978 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,480 was secreted in a ball of wool 979 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,320 and what Brian Jones would be doing with a ball of wool, 980 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:20,470 certainly not knitting. 981 00:59:24,241 --> 00:59:27,689 - Thankfully for him he met a fairly receptive magistrate 982 00:59:27,689 --> 00:59:30,765 and offered him a lifeline but this lifeline 983 00:59:30,765 --> 00:59:34,498 was also dependent on heavy psychological reports 984 00:59:34,498 --> 00:59:37,100 and if one actually sees them you could see the state 985 00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:39,950 of Jones' shattered vizard at this point, 986 00:59:39,950 --> 00:59:41,200 he was absolutely broken. 987 00:59:49,274 --> 00:59:51,660 - Brian Jones had various trips out to Morocco. 988 00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:53,420 He was enchanted with the sights and the sounds 989 00:59:53,420 --> 00:59:56,570 and the aromas and when he first heard these 990 00:59:56,570 --> 00:59:58,993 Pan Pipe players of Joujouka from the tribes 991 00:59:58,993 --> 01:00:01,649 of the inter-lands of Morocco 992 01:00:01,649 --> 01:00:03,840 introduced to him by the artist, 993 01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,120 the left field artist Brion Gysin, 994 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,370 and to him it validated a lot of the sounds 995 01:00:09,370 --> 01:00:12,290 that were in his head and he became enchanted with them. 996 01:00:12,290 --> 01:00:14,157 - A significant point about this is that 997 01:00:14,157 --> 01:00:16,730 Brian was like the first person really 998 01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:21,409 as a British popular music to examine world music. 999 01:00:37,205 --> 01:00:40,080 - I think he was relieved to have left the Stones. 1000 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,550 He was very determined to, I think they call it, 1001 01:00:43,550 --> 01:00:46,200 turn over the page, yes, he was. 1002 01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,630 Which is one of the reasons he bought the house, 1003 01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:50,550 I think, in the country, 1004 01:00:50,550 --> 01:00:55,070 to be away from the nightlife and everything rock n' roll. 1005 01:00:55,070 --> 01:00:57,109 I think it's rock n' roll, it wasn't the blues, 1006 01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:58,410 it's the rock n' roll life. 1007 01:00:58,410 --> 01:01:02,705 - He got over that and was really planning ahead. 1008 01:01:02,705 --> 01:01:06,900 He was wanting to form a new band 1009 01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:09,420 and he was very excited because of all the musicians 1010 01:01:09,420 --> 01:01:11,370 that he'd heard in Morocco 1011 01:01:11,370 --> 01:01:16,370 and it was what we now would call world music. 1012 01:01:17,110 --> 01:01:20,020 Brian actually asked me if I would sing with them. 1013 01:01:20,020 --> 01:01:21,610 - I think he was happy there. 1014 01:01:21,610 --> 01:01:23,929 Sometimes he was lonely but it was his decision 1015 01:01:23,929 --> 01:01:28,929 to live in the country and be alone. 1016 01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,029 He had many friends, people that would come and see him 1017 01:01:32,029 --> 01:01:35,597 but very often the wrong people in my book. 1018 01:01:35,597 --> 01:01:39,290 - When Brian left the Stones his finances were reevaluated 1019 01:01:39,290 --> 01:01:41,860 and even though he was in for a large payment 1020 01:01:41,860 --> 01:01:46,620 and a large retainer there was no real ready cash. 1021 01:01:46,620 --> 01:01:49,549 He didn't write songs, he was not going to tour 1022 01:01:49,549 --> 01:01:51,710 so he was only getting mechanical royalties 1023 01:01:51,710 --> 01:01:53,330 which, this was in 1969, 1024 01:01:53,330 --> 01:01:55,330 so if we think of the rest of the Rolling Stones 1025 01:01:55,330 --> 01:01:57,210 who were fairly broke at that point 1026 01:01:57,210 --> 01:01:59,740 and soon would have to go into exile, 1027 01:01:59,740 --> 01:02:04,113 Brian's finances were going to be even more challenged. 1028 01:02:04,113 --> 01:02:06,780 So it really all came to a head. 1029 01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:59,890 - The night of Brian's death I was in the studio 1030 01:02:59,890 --> 01:03:04,150 with the Rolling Stones round the corner here at Olympic 1031 01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:09,150 and around about 12 o'clock, might've been a bit later, 1032 01:03:10,420 --> 01:03:14,446 Tom Keylock came into the Olympic Studios 1033 01:03:14,446 --> 01:03:19,150 and gathered Mick and a couple of the other Stones around 1034 01:03:19,150 --> 01:03:23,210 and outside the control room where I was sitting 1035 01:03:23,210 --> 01:03:26,250 with Marianne, finally Marianne went out, 1036 01:03:26,250 --> 01:03:28,960 was called out there and went into a huddle 1037 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,390 and I think Tom put his arm around her 1038 01:03:31,390 --> 01:03:33,800 and she came back in, she was in tears 1039 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,000 and she told me that Brian had drowned 1040 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,550 in his swimming pool that night 1041 01:03:40,460 --> 01:03:43,900 and they thought that he got into difficulties 1042 01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:45,173 because of his asthma. 1043 01:03:46,180 --> 01:03:49,840 - July 3rd, 1969, I was in the Stones office, 1044 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,570 the news had come through of Brian's death. 1045 01:03:52,570 --> 01:03:57,460 Everybody was genuinely shocked and upset 1046 01:03:57,460 --> 01:04:00,645 from the musicians to all the people, of course. 1047 01:04:00,645 --> 01:04:04,670 - And I only knew that he died 1048 01:04:04,670 --> 01:04:08,505 because the police called me the following morning 1049 01:04:08,505 --> 01:04:11,170 because they'd gone through his phone 1050 01:04:11,170 --> 01:04:15,363 and I was the last person he called, so they said. 1051 01:04:16,540 --> 01:04:19,833 - The response to Brian's death was 1052 01:04:19,833 --> 01:04:22,243 it was an accident waiting to happen. 1053 01:04:24,100 --> 01:04:26,450 - We were stunned when he died 1054 01:04:26,450 --> 01:04:30,230 and stunned that he was drowned 1055 01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:31,973 because he was a strong swimmer. 1056 01:04:32,900 --> 01:04:36,092 - The combination of prescription pills, 1057 01:04:36,092 --> 01:04:40,577 downers and the like and alcohol 1058 01:04:40,577 --> 01:04:44,461 damaged his liver and his heart 1059 01:04:44,461 --> 01:04:47,650 and it was very depressing, all that. 1060 01:04:47,650 --> 01:04:52,533 - I was disappointed that the verdict was what it was 1061 01:04:52,533 --> 01:04:56,490 and basically gave the newspapers the ability to say 1062 01:04:56,490 --> 01:04:58,125 it was drugs and alcohol 1063 01:04:58,125 --> 01:05:01,410 but the only drugs he had that I could see 1064 01:05:01,410 --> 01:05:02,853 were prescription drugs. 1065 01:05:03,740 --> 01:05:06,243 - And the amount of alcohol in his body was minor. 1066 01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,490 In my day when I was 27, 28, 1067 01:05:09,490 --> 01:05:10,741 I'd have to drink a hell of a lot 1068 01:05:10,741 --> 01:05:12,820 to do anything as stupid 1069 01:05:12,820 --> 01:05:16,190 as be unconscious in a swimming pool. 1070 01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:18,421 So none of it added up. 1071 01:05:18,421 --> 01:05:21,165 - I thought it was all a bit odd 1072 01:05:21,165 --> 01:05:24,877 and I questioned Mick a little bit about it 1073 01:05:24,877 --> 01:05:26,370 and I said, well what happens now, 1074 01:05:26,370 --> 01:05:27,721 what are you gonna do. 1075 01:05:27,721 --> 01:05:31,367 And he said, "It goes on, it goes on." 1076 01:05:32,891 --> 01:05:34,478 I said, "What goes on?" 1077 01:05:34,478 --> 01:05:35,647 He said, "Everything." 1078 01:05:38,620 --> 01:05:40,909 And everything did go on. 1079 01:05:40,909 --> 01:05:43,300 Of course they got Mick Taylor involved 1080 01:05:43,300 --> 01:05:45,993 and did the Hyde Park concert. 1081 01:05:45,993 --> 01:05:49,220 - Peace, peace, he is not dead, 1082 01:05:49,220 --> 01:05:51,330 he does not sleep, 1083 01:05:51,330 --> 01:05:53,563 he has awakened from the dreams of life. 1084 01:05:53,563 --> 01:05:58,563 - When Mick read that appalling Shelley poem, 1085 01:05:58,637 --> 01:06:01,890 it was stamped on some dead butterflies 1086 01:06:01,890 --> 01:06:05,176 and that was supposedly that. 1087 01:06:05,176 --> 01:06:08,297 - Invulnerable nothings. 1088 01:06:08,297 --> 01:06:11,569 We decay like corpses. 1089 01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:23,620 - I was extremely upset when Brian died 1090 01:06:24,649 --> 01:06:29,649 and the streets of Cheltenham were absolutely packed. 1091 01:06:30,993 --> 01:06:32,620 And I mean packed. 1092 01:06:32,620 --> 01:06:34,930 - We weren't welcome at the funeral 1093 01:06:34,930 --> 01:06:38,356 because they didn't want that kind of press attention, 1094 01:06:38,356 --> 01:06:43,356 especially since it was strongly suspected when Brian died, 1095 01:06:44,446 --> 01:06:49,120 we all thought that it was an OD of some sort. 1096 01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:54,120 - I just felt very sorry, very sad for him. 1097 01:06:57,180 --> 01:07:00,490 Of course, it wasn't until years later 1098 01:07:00,490 --> 01:07:02,720 that people started making conspiracy theories 1099 01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:03,653 about his death. 1100 01:07:03,653 --> 01:07:06,380 - Can't dismiss what the coroner 1101 01:07:06,380 --> 01:07:09,810 actually came up with that night. 1102 01:07:09,810 --> 01:07:12,740 Although again, we have to also remember 1103 01:07:12,740 --> 01:07:14,410 that Frank Thorogood, the main builder, 1104 01:07:14,410 --> 01:07:16,670 the character who was in the pool with Brian 1105 01:07:16,670 --> 01:07:18,410 was actually taken away that night, 1106 01:07:18,410 --> 01:07:20,050 he was actually arrested. 1107 01:07:20,050 --> 01:07:21,500 I could look at it in one sense 1108 01:07:21,500 --> 01:07:23,677 and say hay, the builders are sacked, 1109 01:07:23,677 --> 01:07:27,610 he's dead a few hours later 1110 01:07:27,610 --> 01:07:29,317 which could easily lead you to believe 1111 01:07:29,317 --> 01:07:32,360 that there was some revenge. 1112 01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:36,390 - And he rang me the evening sadly that he died 1113 01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:38,490 and he seemed to me absolutely fine 1114 01:07:38,490 --> 01:07:41,030 but we'd been several times before, 1115 01:07:41,030 --> 01:07:43,920 I can't remember, the boys remember more than I do, 1116 01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,520 and they were explicitly told do not touch. 1117 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,220 And I think it was an inhaler but I could be wrong, 1118 01:07:50,220 --> 01:07:52,260 his medicine, it was called his medicine. 1119 01:07:52,260 --> 01:07:55,260 It was always by the side of the pool in case 1120 01:07:55,260 --> 01:07:58,940 and I was asked if there had been a party going on. 1121 01:07:58,940 --> 01:08:01,780 As far as I know there was no party going on. 1122 01:08:01,780 --> 01:08:03,620 Yes, there were people in the background 1123 01:08:03,620 --> 01:08:05,500 and people at the house, throughout the house 1124 01:08:05,500 --> 01:08:08,960 but it wasn't a party, I would've heard. 1125 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,870 - But I think that there was definitely partying happening 1126 01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:14,250 and definitely cars leaving 1127 01:08:14,250 --> 01:08:16,080 and the builders getting out of there 1128 01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,650 but it would've been an impromptu party at Brian's expense 1129 01:08:19,650 --> 01:08:23,520 rather than a Brian Jones party that he had held himself. 1130 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:28,230 I suspect it would be another example of those guys 1131 01:08:28,230 --> 01:08:29,293 exploiting him. 1132 01:08:36,770 --> 01:08:41,600 - I found out later snippets from various people. 1133 01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:46,010 The builder who was involved in this, Frank Thorogood, 1134 01:08:46,010 --> 01:08:48,740 who was in the pool with Brian at some stage. 1135 01:08:48,740 --> 01:08:51,080 - He's had a lot of building work done 1136 01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,446 but it's not been that very satisfactory. 1137 01:08:53,446 --> 01:08:56,595 He fires the builders. 1138 01:08:56,595 --> 01:08:58,610 The builders hang around, however. 1139 01:08:58,610 --> 01:09:01,820 And there's a party that night. 1140 01:09:01,820 --> 01:09:03,040 - The Nicholas Fitzgerald book 1141 01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,830 was dismissed by everybody at the time 1142 01:09:05,830 --> 01:09:09,650 but I think that probably got right. 1143 01:09:09,650 --> 01:09:11,680 I think what Nicholas did, 1144 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,080 he turned up to go and see Brian, 1145 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,030 one of those guys that Brian had befriended again 1146 01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:18,770 probably thought he was a good friend of Brian's 1147 01:09:18,770 --> 01:09:21,540 but probably wouldn't have lasted very long. 1148 01:09:21,540 --> 01:09:23,222 Turn up with the maid, 1149 01:09:23,222 --> 01:09:26,640 went, came down the lane to see Brian, 1150 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,090 saw through the trees that there was all this activity 1151 01:09:29,090 --> 01:09:32,310 going on in the pool, not liking it, 1152 01:09:32,310 --> 01:09:35,023 someone pops up, almost certainly Tom Keylock, 1153 01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:37,323 and threatens him. 1154 01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:43,020 People claim they saw a lot of horseplay 1155 01:09:43,020 --> 01:09:44,669 going on in the swimming pool 1156 01:09:44,669 --> 01:09:46,940 'cause of course the official cause of death 1157 01:09:46,940 --> 01:09:48,593 is death by drowning. 1158 01:09:49,810 --> 01:09:53,080 - Brian was provoking him in some way 1159 01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,520 with a little bit of banter if you wanna call it that 1160 01:09:57,610 --> 01:09:59,680 and the banter got a bit nasty 1161 01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:03,760 and there was a bit of horseplay in the pool. 1162 01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,805 And Thorogood left him in a state 1163 01:10:05,805 --> 01:10:09,880 either after a ducking or a push or whatever 1164 01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,930 and walked away and left him 1165 01:10:12,930 --> 01:10:16,913 not really knowing or caring what condition he was in. 1166 01:10:20,940 --> 01:10:24,129 - Brian died during some kind of party 1167 01:10:24,129 --> 01:10:28,040 in an accident that went wrong, 1168 01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:32,080 I would say that's pretty much kind of what happened 1169 01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:36,429 but if there were other witnesses to his death 1170 01:10:36,429 --> 01:10:39,269 I think one of them would've come forward by now. 1171 01:10:39,269 --> 01:10:41,828 - The relationship with the builder 1172 01:10:41,828 --> 01:10:45,420 was a horrible, awful relationship. 1173 01:10:45,420 --> 01:10:48,360 It was a sick relationship, that's quite clear. 1174 01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,510 And the builder was sick fucker 1175 01:10:50,510 --> 01:10:52,350 and Brian was a sick fucker 1176 01:10:52,350 --> 01:10:55,420 but I don't think that guy murdered him. 1177 01:10:55,420 --> 01:10:58,677 I think the guy might've contributed to his death, 1178 01:10:58,677 --> 01:11:02,110 certainly, they might've been fooling around 1179 01:11:02,110 --> 01:11:06,780 but I don't think that he murdered Brian. 1180 01:11:06,780 --> 01:11:10,840 - This nasty incident led to Brian not being murdered 1181 01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,963 but being, the technicality is manslaughter. 1182 01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,670 - The first officer on the scene 1183 01:11:28,670 --> 01:11:30,957 was a young PC Albert Evans 1184 01:11:30,957 --> 01:11:33,870 and he spoke to about 20 people in the garden. 1185 01:11:33,870 --> 01:11:35,230 He put it all in his notebook, 1186 01:11:35,230 --> 01:11:37,101 they all near enough said the same thing. 1187 01:11:37,101 --> 01:11:38,910 There had been a fight between Frank Thorogood 1188 01:11:38,910 --> 01:11:42,281 and Brian Jones that led to the death of Brian Jones. 1189 01:11:42,281 --> 01:11:46,200 When Bob Marshall, the CID officer who led the investigation 1190 01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,071 turned up about four hours later. 1191 01:11:48,071 --> 01:11:50,910 The first person he spoke to was Albert Evans 1192 01:11:50,910 --> 01:11:53,110 and he led him away from Cotchford Farm, 1193 01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:55,020 walked him out the lane and he said what have you heard, 1194 01:11:55,020 --> 01:11:56,300 what do you think? 1195 01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:59,501 And young PC Evans said everyone's saying the same thing, 1196 01:11:59,501 --> 01:12:02,100 there's been a fight between Frank Thorogood and Brian Jones 1197 01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:04,093 which has led to the death of Brian Jones. 1198 01:12:04,093 --> 01:12:08,173 At that point, Marshall put his arm around PC Evans, 1199 01:12:08,173 --> 01:12:10,833 said that'll be the last we hear of that 1200 01:12:10,833 --> 01:12:12,710 and led him back to the house. 1201 01:12:12,710 --> 01:12:16,601 And from that point onwards the real police investigation 1202 01:12:16,601 --> 01:12:19,410 into the death of Brian Jones ended 1203 01:12:19,410 --> 01:12:21,620 and what they found as a result of that 1204 01:12:21,620 --> 01:12:23,738 was a constructed story. 1205 01:12:36,450 --> 01:12:39,660 We know from the two drug squad officers who arrived 1206 01:12:39,660 --> 01:12:41,740 at the scene at Cotchford Farm 1207 01:12:41,740 --> 01:12:43,613 about one o'clock in the morning 1208 01:12:43,613 --> 01:12:46,973 that Frank Thorogood wasn't at Cotchford Farm 1209 01:12:46,973 --> 01:12:50,570 at that poin, he'd been taken down to the hospital 1210 01:12:50,570 --> 01:12:51,900 and he'd been taken down to the hospital 1211 01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:55,640 because of treatment that was required to his hand. 1212 01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,360 I can only assume from what scene has been described 1213 01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,770 at Cotchford Farm that Frank would've injured his hand 1214 01:13:02,770 --> 01:13:05,110 in that fight with Brian. 1215 01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:08,490 - The builders had been fired that same day 1216 01:13:08,490 --> 01:13:11,135 and they were very upset with Brian, 1217 01:13:11,135 --> 01:13:15,017 they believed that they had money owed to them. 1218 01:13:22,387 --> 01:13:25,360 - Anna Wohlin was probably the youngest person there 1219 01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:28,760 in the garden on the night of Brian Jones' death. 1220 01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:30,940 She was undoubtedly, she says it herself, 1221 01:13:30,940 --> 01:13:32,747 she was high, she'd been taking drugs 1222 01:13:32,747 --> 01:13:35,630 and she freaked out when Brian Jones died. 1223 01:13:35,630 --> 01:13:37,710 She was still like that days later 1224 01:13:37,710 --> 01:13:40,220 and she was angry about it as well. 1225 01:13:40,220 --> 01:13:43,460 She was confused, she was starting to speak out about it. 1226 01:13:43,460 --> 01:13:45,410 Everybody who turned up at Cotchford Farm 1227 01:13:45,410 --> 01:13:49,270 would hear Anna saying he didn't die 1228 01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:50,250 through drink and drugs. 1229 01:13:50,250 --> 01:13:52,920 It was a fight that had led to the death 1230 01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,580 so the decision was taken to remove Anna 1231 01:13:55,580 --> 01:13:58,520 from Cotchford Farm and bring her up to London 1232 01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,590 to stay with Bill Wyman and his girlfriend Astrid. 1233 01:14:01,590 --> 01:14:05,690 Up here in London, Anna carried on talking about the truth, 1234 01:14:05,690 --> 01:14:08,730 she kept on saying that Brian Jones had died in a fight 1235 01:14:08,730 --> 01:14:10,610 and people needed to know this 1236 01:14:10,610 --> 01:14:12,840 and she arranged through a friend to speak 1237 01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:16,312 to the Times newspaper and to tell them the truth 1238 01:14:16,312 --> 01:14:20,591 and at that point she was sharing all of this with Astrid 1239 01:14:20,591 --> 01:14:23,120 and within hours she'd been put in a car 1240 01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,910 and she'd been driven across London to Allen Klein's house. 1241 01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:28,310 She had to stay in the UK because of the inquest 1242 01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:31,480 that took place four days after Brian's death 1243 01:14:31,480 --> 01:14:33,490 but she was driven from the inquest 1244 01:14:33,490 --> 01:14:36,020 by Rolling Stones management, taken to Heathrow, 1245 01:14:36,020 --> 01:14:39,470 thrown on a plane and told never to come back. 1246 01:14:39,470 --> 01:14:41,973 - When we found Anna she said one of the reasons 1247 01:14:41,973 --> 01:14:45,527 she did not come forward was that she was scared of Tom 1248 01:14:45,527 --> 01:14:50,527 and that she had been warned after the inquest. 1249 01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,150 - I would've been much more frightened 1250 01:14:54,150 --> 01:14:58,120 to have been threatened by Tom Keylock than by Allen Klein. 1251 01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,795 Keylock was a funny guy. 1252 01:14:59,795 --> 01:15:04,200 - Janet also was having an affair with Tom at the time 1253 01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:08,000 and it seemed that the reason she was also frightened 1254 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,099 of talking about the whole thing 1255 01:15:10,099 --> 01:15:13,620 and she almost got into hiding was because of Tom Keylock. 1256 01:15:13,620 --> 01:15:15,970 Tom held the key to this thing 1257 01:15:15,970 --> 01:15:19,310 and he openly said that he believed 1258 01:15:19,310 --> 01:15:20,700 that his colleague at the time 1259 01:15:20,700 --> 01:15:23,310 who is of course deceased when we were looking into this, 1260 01:15:23,310 --> 01:15:25,603 Frank, had murdered Brian. 1261 01:15:32,571 --> 01:15:35,300 - So Keylock, that worked for Keith, 1262 01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:38,991 was down there at the farm, he had gotten down there 1263 01:15:38,991 --> 01:15:43,991 and the various tidbits that I gleaned and learned 1264 01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,500 over the next couple of days have always disturbed me 1265 01:15:48,500 --> 01:15:50,060 since those days, 1266 01:15:50,060 --> 01:15:54,750 one of which was that he was burning stuff there, 1267 01:15:54,750 --> 01:15:58,160 so none of us could really understand what that was. 1268 01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,400 What was he burning? 1269 01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,970 What he was burning, because none of it ever showed up, 1270 01:16:03,970 --> 01:16:08,135 was a lot of receipts that were to do, I think, 1271 01:16:08,135 --> 01:16:09,830 with the building work. 1272 01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:12,677 The building work that had been going on at the farm 1273 01:16:12,677 --> 01:16:17,330 was very expensive and there was a whole bunch of people 1274 01:16:17,330 --> 01:16:18,920 living on Brian's tab. 1275 01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:22,680 - My conclusion in the end was that he was being 1276 01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:27,160 royally exploited by Tom Keylock primarily 1277 01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,960 who even in his death was exploiting him. 1278 01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:33,780 He had taken his Rolls Royce, he had taken his clothes, 1279 01:16:33,780 --> 01:16:36,180 he had taken his possessions, 1280 01:16:36,180 --> 01:16:39,530 he somehow managed to inveigle a lot of money 1281 01:16:39,530 --> 01:16:44,260 out of the Rolling Stones and again nobody quite knows why. 1282 01:16:44,260 --> 01:16:46,999 - Tom Keylock was having an affair with this girl 1283 01:16:46,999 --> 01:16:49,990 who announced that she was pregnant 1284 01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:52,251 so Tom Keylock, instead of being, 1285 01:16:52,251 --> 01:16:54,800 officially he was somewhere else 1286 01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,840 but actually he was at Cotchford when this thing happened. 1287 01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,239 When Brian died he called Frank, 1288 01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:05,920 Frank Keylock, his brother, 1289 01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,567 who was very high up in the CID 1290 01:17:09,530 --> 01:17:14,120 and he got the whole thing supposedly 1291 01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,430 on behalf of the Stones, 1292 01:17:16,430 --> 01:17:20,480 they kind of manipulated this thing, 1293 01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:23,430 that's where people get really confused 1294 01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:26,130 but Keylock was acting on his own 1295 01:17:26,130 --> 01:17:28,759 without any mandate from anybody else 1296 01:17:28,759 --> 01:17:33,280 to cover his own ass about his own affair. 1297 01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,470 - Frank Keylock probably would've helped his brother 1298 01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:38,700 back in return but he wouldn't have been able 1299 01:17:38,700 --> 01:17:41,810 to offer as much support, as much help, 1300 01:17:41,810 --> 01:17:45,490 as the chief constable who'd supersede the police officers 1301 01:17:45,490 --> 01:17:48,510 who were across the details of Brian's death within hours 1302 01:17:48,510 --> 01:17:51,930 and they were endorsing the police activity on the ground 1303 01:17:51,930 --> 01:17:53,580 that was covering up the death. 1304 01:17:53,580 --> 01:17:57,450 I've heard that the fighting was going on in the gardens 1305 01:17:57,450 --> 01:18:00,617 rather than in the pool itself earlier in the day 1306 01:18:00,617 --> 01:18:04,170 and it's interesting, there's a trough in the garden 1307 01:18:04,170 --> 01:18:06,690 and that trough contained water 1308 01:18:06,690 --> 01:18:08,760 that would've been fresh water. 1309 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,230 It could easily have been the case 1310 01:18:11,230 --> 01:18:13,740 that Brian had actually died outside of the swimming pool 1311 01:18:13,740 --> 01:18:18,740 and that trough of fresh water played a part in it. 1312 01:18:19,340 --> 01:18:23,470 - I ran a fan club for Brian Jones when I was a teenager, 1313 01:18:23,470 --> 01:18:25,420 bit of a teenage obsession. 1314 01:18:25,420 --> 01:18:28,971 I went to the house, went to Cotchford Farm, met the owner 1315 01:18:28,971 --> 01:18:31,290 and I became friends with Mary Hallett 1316 01:18:31,290 --> 01:18:34,927 who was Mrs. Hallett, who was Brian's maid 1317 01:18:37,413 --> 01:18:39,663 and her husband Les Hallett. 1318 01:18:39,663 --> 01:18:43,810 Then she passed away and I'd still go to the house 1319 01:18:43,810 --> 01:18:46,595 from time to time and the last time I saw Les Hallett 1320 01:18:46,595 --> 01:18:48,690 it was just hello, how are you 1321 01:18:48,690 --> 01:18:51,410 and then as I was leaving the area, 1322 01:18:51,410 --> 01:18:55,115 leaving the property of Cotchford and going down the drive 1323 01:18:55,115 --> 01:18:58,240 he was running after my car saying 1324 01:18:58,240 --> 01:18:59,930 they drowned him in the trough, 1325 01:18:59,930 --> 01:19:02,555 they drowned him in the trough and I didn't know, 1326 01:19:02,555 --> 01:19:04,830 what's a trough, right? 1327 01:19:04,830 --> 01:19:07,230 So I guess it's a barrel of some sort 1328 01:19:07,230 --> 01:19:08,807 but he said they drowned him the trough 1329 01:19:08,807 --> 01:19:11,130 and they threw him in the pool. 1330 01:19:11,130 --> 01:19:13,320 - That was the water that was inside his lungs, 1331 01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:14,480 it wasn't chlorinated water, 1332 01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:17,103 there were no chemicals inside the lungs. 1333 01:19:17,103 --> 01:19:19,920 I've had the medical reports analyzed 1334 01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:23,716 by senior pathologists and they have said 1335 01:19:23,716 --> 01:19:26,730 that the stress on the tissues around the heart show 1336 01:19:26,730 --> 01:19:30,360 that Brian Jones would've been aware he was being murdered. 1337 01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:32,850 Apparently the body responded a certain way 1338 01:19:33,790 --> 01:19:35,933 and they can tell it, those experts can tell 1339 01:19:35,933 --> 01:19:38,770 through the tissue damage what level of stress 1340 01:19:38,770 --> 01:19:39,883 the body was under. 1341 01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:49,030 - You can look at a contract 1342 01:19:49,030 --> 01:19:50,740 that's written about in many books 1343 01:19:50,740 --> 01:19:53,257 where Brian was due to be paid a block of money, 1344 01:19:53,257 --> 01:19:56,192 100,000 pounds as a one off payment 1345 01:19:56,192 --> 01:19:58,550 for his departure from the Rolling Stones 1346 01:19:58,550 --> 01:20:01,460 that happened four weeks before he died. 1347 01:20:01,460 --> 01:20:04,488 He was then due to get 20,000 pounds a year 1348 01:20:04,488 --> 01:20:07,300 every year that the band stayed together. 1349 01:20:07,300 --> 01:20:09,510 So you're talking about an awful lot of money. 1350 01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:11,690 Now when you look at Brian Jones' will 1351 01:20:11,690 --> 01:20:13,499 you can see that he died basically 1352 01:20:13,499 --> 01:20:15,330 without much money at all 1353 01:20:15,330 --> 01:20:17,527 so that money that Allen Klein was due to pay him, 1354 01:20:17,527 --> 01:20:22,368 about 100,000 pounds one off, the 20,000 pounds a year 1355 01:20:22,368 --> 01:20:24,110 didn't come. 1356 01:20:24,110 --> 01:20:28,036 - Allen Klein, you can't involve Allen Klein in this, 1357 01:20:28,036 --> 01:20:33,036 Allen Klein had much more important things to deal with 1358 01:20:35,100 --> 01:20:36,810 with the Beatles and so on. 1359 01:20:36,810 --> 01:20:39,450 - Allen Klein's making millions of dollars anyway, 1360 01:20:39,450 --> 01:20:43,960 100,000 pounds to Allen Klein is neither here nor there 1361 01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,640 when you think that he's personally responsible 1362 01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,407 for the revenue of the Beatles and the Rolling Stones. 1363 01:20:49,407 --> 01:20:52,620 He was a heavy man, no question about that 1364 01:20:52,620 --> 01:20:54,970 but he was a Jewish accountant. 1365 01:20:54,970 --> 01:20:57,250 Jewish accountants count the money, 1366 01:20:57,250 --> 01:20:59,320 they don't have people killed. 1367 01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:01,574 The idea that Allen Klein had somebody killed, 1368 01:21:01,574 --> 01:21:05,010 frankly, I think it's an insult to the man's memory. 1369 01:21:05,010 --> 01:21:06,840 He was a tough son of a bitch 1370 01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:08,600 but I don't think he was that hard. 1371 01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:12,152 - He was always tardy in coughing up the money 1372 01:21:12,152 --> 01:21:13,950 that was their own money 1373 01:21:13,950 --> 01:21:16,232 because he was always playing around with it 1374 01:21:16,232 --> 01:21:21,232 and it might've indirectly caused Brian his life, 1375 01:21:22,410 --> 01:21:25,370 this thing that the money wasn't arriving, 1376 01:21:25,370 --> 01:21:28,460 that conveniently it was delayed. 1377 01:21:28,460 --> 01:21:31,410 - Allen Klein decided to send his own person down there 1378 01:21:31,410 --> 01:21:34,430 and investigate look into Brian Jones' death. 1379 01:21:34,430 --> 01:21:36,570 A report was put together, Sam Cutler, 1380 01:21:36,570 --> 01:21:38,180 one of the Stones' tour managers said 1381 01:21:38,180 --> 01:21:40,030 that a report was put together 1382 01:21:40,030 --> 01:21:41,420 that went back to Maddox Street, 1383 01:21:41,420 --> 01:21:43,257 the Rolling Stones' head office. 1384 01:21:43,257 --> 01:21:46,703 - He was highly suspicious of the builder. 1385 01:21:47,890 --> 01:21:50,330 - Months after Brian Jones' death 1386 01:21:50,330 --> 01:21:53,210 the Stones flew to America on what became 1387 01:21:53,210 --> 01:21:56,292 their most lucrative tour of all time at that point. 1388 01:21:56,292 --> 01:22:00,708 If the Rolling Stones had had to stay in the UK 1389 01:22:00,708 --> 01:22:03,460 because of the death into Brian Jones' 1390 01:22:03,460 --> 01:22:05,190 police investigations, et cetera, 1391 01:22:05,190 --> 01:22:07,110 it would've just been an investigation 1392 01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:09,430 that would get bigger and bigger and bigger 1393 01:22:09,430 --> 01:22:11,790 so Allen Klein had a real investment 1394 01:22:11,790 --> 01:22:15,262 in making sure that tour went ahead as planned. 1395 01:22:15,262 --> 01:22:17,670 - And this was something right which makes me annoyed 1396 01:22:17,670 --> 01:22:19,570 'cause sometimes people say oh, 1397 01:22:19,570 --> 01:22:21,594 Mick and Keith had something to do with it. 1398 01:22:21,594 --> 01:22:23,990 - The band, that's ridiculous, 1399 01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:28,990 Brian Jones was worth a lot more to people alive than dead. 1400 01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:47,980 - After Brian's death, Joan Fitzsimmons was really, 1401 01:22:47,980 --> 01:22:50,360 violently attacked. 1402 01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:53,250 Her body was found effectively left for dead 1403 01:22:53,250 --> 01:22:55,910 on the side of the beach, she was blinded, 1404 01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:58,980 her skull was fractured and she had teeth missing. 1405 01:22:58,980 --> 01:23:01,200 Shed been really badly beaten up 1406 01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,420 and if you wind things back earlier on to that day 1407 01:23:04,420 --> 01:23:06,470 Frank Thorogood had been at the family home, 1408 01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:07,650 he'd been banging on the door, 1409 01:23:07,650 --> 01:23:10,480 he'd been demanding to know where Joan was. 1410 01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:13,610 He was saying she knows too much about the Rolling Stones, 1411 01:23:13,610 --> 01:23:16,050 she knows too much about Brian's death 1412 01:23:16,050 --> 01:23:19,120 and within hours Joan was attacked. 1413 01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,210 We now know that Joan Fitzsimmons 1414 01:23:21,210 --> 01:23:23,900 was definitely at Brian's house on the night he died. 1415 01:23:23,900 --> 01:23:27,330 She drove his girlfriend or his ex-girlfriend Sue Potier 1416 01:23:27,330 --> 01:23:30,514 away from the house about 30 minutes before Brian died 1417 01:23:30,514 --> 01:23:34,000 and then days later Joan was in the pubs 1418 01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:35,510 in and around Chichester 1419 01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:37,670 saying it's not true what's in the papers 1420 01:23:37,670 --> 01:23:40,370 about Brian Jones, the drink and drugs headlines, 1421 01:23:40,370 --> 01:23:42,850 they're not true, he was attacked, there was fighting, 1422 01:23:42,850 --> 01:23:44,810 he was attacked and he died. 1423 01:23:44,810 --> 01:23:47,150 Frank Thorogood obviously got wind of that, 1424 01:23:47,150 --> 01:23:50,186 he heard of that, brought himself back down to Sussex 1425 01:23:50,186 --> 01:23:52,890 and within hours Joan was attacked 1426 01:23:52,890 --> 01:23:54,370 and her body was found left for dead. 1427 01:23:54,370 --> 01:23:57,090 There was a newspaper report locally 1428 01:23:57,090 --> 01:24:00,060 down in Chichester that led to national newspapers 1429 01:24:00,060 --> 01:24:02,780 reporting that said there was a woman in a coma 1430 01:24:02,780 --> 01:24:05,742 in hospital in Southampton which is where she was taken to 1431 01:24:05,742 --> 01:24:08,620 that they said, everyone said there were connections 1432 01:24:08,620 --> 01:24:09,710 to Brian Jones' death. 1433 01:24:09,710 --> 01:24:12,350 This woman in the coma was linked to the death. 1434 01:24:12,350 --> 01:24:13,690 The police then shut that down 1435 01:24:13,690 --> 01:24:15,500 and said there were no links at all 1436 01:24:15,500 --> 01:24:17,800 but the police files that have now come out 1437 01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,890 show that the police knew the attack on Brian Jones, 1438 01:24:20,890 --> 01:24:24,960 the death of Brian Jones instantly led within days 1439 01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,230 to the attack on Joan Fitzsimmons 1440 01:24:27,230 --> 01:24:30,320 and that the same people, the same names were involved. 1441 01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,000 If you look at the pictures of the before and after 1442 01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,742 you could see the level of the violence that took place 1443 01:24:35,742 --> 01:24:37,360 at Cotchford Farm that night, 1444 01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,150 it was the same people involved. 1445 01:24:39,150 --> 01:24:41,743 It was the same police force that then came in 1446 01:24:41,743 --> 01:24:43,080 to look at it. 1447 01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,430 They knew they had a dead man in the swimming pool. 1448 01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:47,670 They knew they had a body left for dead 1449 01:24:47,670 --> 01:24:49,760 on the side of the beach 1450 01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,490 and they knew the same person was named 1451 01:24:52,490 --> 01:24:54,626 time and time again by witnesses, 1452 01:24:54,626 --> 01:24:58,970 yet they did nothing to try and bring that man to justice. 1453 01:24:58,970 --> 01:25:01,650 They did everything to create headlines 1454 01:25:01,650 --> 01:25:03,523 that said drink and drugs are bad. 1455 01:25:16,490 --> 01:25:19,910 If you look back at the social and political times 1456 01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:23,980 in 68, 69, to work out why did the police 1457 01:25:23,980 --> 01:25:26,770 or why did the home office or why did the government 1458 01:25:26,770 --> 01:25:28,710 want to spin the death of Brian Jones, 1459 01:25:28,710 --> 01:25:33,210 you have to look at the growth of the counterculture, 1460 01:25:33,210 --> 01:25:36,460 the growth of drugs for the first time as a social problem 1461 01:25:36,460 --> 01:25:38,960 and you have to look at what the home office 1462 01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,650 were advising the government, 1463 01:25:40,650 --> 01:25:43,610 they were basically saying get rid of the pop stars 1464 01:25:43,610 --> 01:25:45,710 and you get rid of the drug problem. 1465 01:25:45,710 --> 01:25:48,110 If you then look at the busts that were carried out 1466 01:25:48,110 --> 01:25:52,920 on Brian, on Mick in particular, on Brian especially, 1467 01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,100 all of those drug busts, 90% of them involved the police 1468 01:25:56,100 --> 01:26:00,140 actually trying to plant drugs inside the Stones properties. 1469 01:26:00,140 --> 01:26:01,670 The politics at the time was to say 1470 01:26:01,670 --> 01:26:03,030 we've got to destroy these bands, 1471 01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:05,938 we've got to destroy this counterculture that's emerging 1472 01:26:05,938 --> 01:26:08,910 and people like Brian Jones represented it more 1473 01:26:08,910 --> 01:26:10,400 than anybody else. 1474 01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:13,661 Again, if you go back to the Stones in 67, 68, 69, 1475 01:26:13,661 --> 01:26:18,030 Mick and Keith were not quite as rebellious as Brian, 1476 01:26:18,030 --> 01:26:20,270 they certainly weren't as connected 1477 01:26:20,270 --> 01:26:22,120 to drink and drugs as Brian. 1478 01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:25,210 They didn't look as counterculture as Brian. 1479 01:26:25,210 --> 01:26:26,266 He was the one, 1480 01:26:26,266 --> 01:26:30,630 he was the DNA of the band's rebellious nature 1481 01:26:30,630 --> 01:26:33,980 and when he died he became a poster boy. 1482 01:26:33,980 --> 01:26:37,040 The government could literally hold him up and say 1483 01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,972 this is what happens to you kids if you take drugs 1484 01:26:39,972 --> 01:26:43,300 and it was a total, total misuse 1485 01:26:43,300 --> 01:26:44,650 of actually what had happened. 1486 01:26:44,650 --> 01:26:48,180 The man had been killed but rather than get to the truth 1487 01:26:48,180 --> 01:26:50,250 they would rather spin out a lie 1488 01:26:50,250 --> 01:26:52,520 to suit their own political agenda 1489 01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:56,040 about what was going wrong in their minds with society 1490 01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,240 and the emerging counterculture at the time 1491 01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:00,943 'cause the truth is Brian Jones was killed. 1492 01:27:00,943 --> 01:27:04,318 The truth is Brian Jones didn't die of drink and drugs. 1493 01:27:04,318 --> 01:27:07,220 - They wanted to make an example of him, didn't they? 1494 01:27:07,220 --> 01:27:08,530 They wanted to show the kids, 1495 01:27:08,530 --> 01:27:12,030 oh, if you behave like this this is what's gonna happen. 1496 01:27:12,030 --> 01:27:13,310 Look what happened to him, 1497 01:27:13,310 --> 01:27:15,670 don't do drugs, don't enjoy yourself, 1498 01:27:15,670 --> 01:27:17,890 keep your nose clean, go and work hard. 1499 01:27:17,890 --> 01:27:21,580 - It piled up and all due to the fact 1500 01:27:21,580 --> 01:27:25,690 that the establishment wanting to do away 1501 01:27:25,690 --> 01:27:26,973 with the Rolling Stones. 1502 01:27:26,973 --> 01:27:29,393 It's very, very tragic. 1503 01:27:30,850 --> 01:27:35,510 That's how Brian Jones was killed, not by any conspiracy. 1504 01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:38,970 - And this all came together and I said my God, 1505 01:27:38,970 --> 01:27:42,887 he didn't just die, he was murdered 1506 01:27:42,887 --> 01:27:46,738 and the Sussex police completely bungled, 1507 01:27:46,738 --> 01:27:49,130 completely bungled the investigation. 1508 01:27:49,130 --> 01:27:52,394 All they did was just put this in a nice little package, 1509 01:27:52,394 --> 01:27:55,560 then they sealed it up and they put it in the ground 1510 01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:57,080 because that's the message that they wanted 1511 01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:58,670 to get across to people. 1512 01:27:58,670 --> 01:28:00,313 They wanted to take down the Rolling Stones, 1513 01:28:00,313 --> 01:28:03,215 they wanted to take down Brian Jones. 1514 01:28:03,215 --> 01:28:05,950 Drink and drugs, died in his pool, 1515 01:28:05,950 --> 01:28:08,313 nice, neat, that's it. 1516 01:28:22,387 --> 01:28:26,150 - I think the police in 2010 just continued the cover up 1517 01:28:26,150 --> 01:28:29,520 that was originally put in place in 1969. 1518 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:33,210 That investigation in 1969 could've easily resulted 1519 01:28:33,210 --> 01:28:35,810 in the truth coming out, they had all the evidence. 1520 01:28:35,810 --> 01:28:38,560 It was a very deliberate decision at a senior level 1521 01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:40,760 to make sure that the truth didn't come out. 1522 01:28:48,025 --> 01:28:49,370 There has never been a reason given 1523 01:28:49,370 --> 01:28:54,110 for why it was a 75 year rule put onto the Brian Jones files 1524 01:28:54,110 --> 01:28:57,130 but what is absolutely clear is that when you look 1525 01:28:57,130 --> 01:28:59,840 at the Brian Jones police investigation 1526 01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:01,490 that it was was a cover up 1527 01:29:01,490 --> 01:29:04,520 and the you look at the Joan Fitzsimmons attack 1528 01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:06,600 that happened two weeks later. 1529 01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,350 If they didn't have that 75 year rule 1530 01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:12,520 put on that file it would be very clear 1531 01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,801 that there had been that double cover up. 1532 01:29:14,801 --> 01:29:19,801 It's wrong that a man's death could be ignored 1533 01:29:19,945 --> 01:29:24,380 and the truth be hidden so the establishment 1534 01:29:24,380 --> 01:29:26,730 could play politics with drug culture 1535 01:29:26,730 --> 01:29:29,030 on the back of that man's death, that's wrong. 1536 01:29:36,060 --> 01:29:37,453 - Keith Richards once said about him 1537 01:29:37,453 --> 01:29:39,641 that he was a hard man to like. 1538 01:29:39,641 --> 01:29:41,681 I didn't find that. 1539 01:29:41,681 --> 01:29:44,109 I actually found him very easy to like. 1540 01:29:44,109 --> 01:29:46,569 I think he was a hard man to like 1541 01:29:46,569 --> 01:29:48,941 if you had to live with him, 1542 01:29:48,941 --> 01:29:50,630 if you had to work with him 1543 01:29:50,630 --> 01:29:53,650 or if you had to be with him for long periods of time 1544 01:29:53,650 --> 01:29:58,170 because he had very little in the way of moral sensibility, 1545 01:29:58,170 --> 01:30:01,601 he was amoral and unreliable. 1546 01:30:01,601 --> 01:30:04,989 - I find him a very nice, charming, charming guy 1547 01:30:04,989 --> 01:30:09,989 and somewhat of an original in that band. 1548 01:30:11,930 --> 01:30:13,690 - I just thought he was wonderful. 1549 01:30:13,690 --> 01:30:18,210 Softly spoken and quite shy in a way. 1550 01:30:18,210 --> 01:30:20,900 - He was a very friendly, normal guy really 1551 01:30:20,900 --> 01:30:23,800 and I was just impressed as I've always been with him, 1552 01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:27,550 just how many instruments the guy could play. 1553 01:30:51,010 --> 01:30:53,610 Much maligned I think after that people 1554 01:30:53,610 --> 01:30:56,680 only want to read about sex and drugs 1555 01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:58,220 and how many women he had, 1556 01:30:58,220 --> 01:31:00,280 how many children, if he got five children, 1557 01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:01,210 I have no idea 1558 01:31:02,300 --> 01:31:06,537 and does anyone talk about the music? 1559 01:31:06,537 --> 01:31:07,913 I have no idea. 1560 01:31:09,090 --> 01:31:11,310 - He was a musical genius. 1561 01:31:11,310 --> 01:31:13,860 The Rolling Stones would not have existed without him. 1562 01:31:13,860 --> 01:31:16,490 I think they should give him the kind of respect 1563 01:31:16,490 --> 01:31:18,040 that he really deserves. 1564 01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:20,187 And also, the other thing about Brian is 1565 01:31:20,187 --> 01:31:22,230 that Brian's lifestyle, 1566 01:31:22,230 --> 01:31:27,230 his very evident aura of hedonism 1567 01:31:30,010 --> 01:31:35,010 was probably the first example of any British rock star 1568 01:31:35,651 --> 01:31:39,027 living the rock n' roll lifestyle 1569 01:31:39,027 --> 01:31:42,660 and maybe it's also that's a salutary warning as well. 1570 01:32:20,402 --> 01:32:22,110 ♪ Everybody knows I killed Brian Jones ♪ 1571 01:32:22,110 --> 01:32:26,174 ♪ Ask John, ask Paul, ask George and Ringo ♪ 1572 01:32:26,174 --> 01:32:30,030 ♪ Go tell Mick he's the Charlton News ♪ 1573 01:32:30,030 --> 01:32:33,738 ♪ It was me who put the poison in his swimming pool ♪ 1574 01:32:33,738 --> 01:32:37,666 ♪ Everybody blames Billie Holiday's pimp ♪ 1575 01:32:37,666 --> 01:32:41,326 ♪ I was holding her hand when she went limp ♪ 1576 01:32:41,326 --> 01:32:45,658 ♪ Poor Amy Winehouse never stood a chance ♪ 1577 01:32:45,658 --> 01:32:47,534 ♪ I switched the starlet for adulterated ♪ 1578 01:32:47,534 --> 01:32:49,454 ♪ Under the counter plan ♪ 1579 01:32:53,022 --> 01:32:56,876 ♪ Made damn sure Jim Morrison's bath was hot when it ran ♪ 1580 01:32:56,876 --> 01:33:00,614 ♪ And a Grand Ole Opry on a Saturday night ♪ 1581 01:33:00,614 --> 01:33:02,580 ♪ I got Hank Williams high ♪ 1582 01:33:02,580 --> 01:33:05,070 ♪ When he took that last, last drive ♪ 1583 01:33:05,070 --> 01:33:10,070 ♪ I'll never be satisfied ♪ 1584 01:33:13,170 --> 01:33:18,170 ♪ I'll never be satisfied ♪ 1585 01:33:20,455 --> 01:33:24,178 ♪ Now Robert Johnson at the crossroads midnight ♪ 1586 01:33:24,178 --> 01:33:28,135 ♪ Did the deal with the devil blame another man's wife ♪ 1587 01:33:28,135 --> 01:33:31,902 ♪ Give Lemmy his one last line ♪ 1588 01:33:31,902 --> 01:33:36,251 ♪ With a pillow on the boys sing Rise, Lazarus, Rise. ♪ 1589 01:33:36,251 --> 01:33:39,582 ♪ I put the spike in Sid Vicious' arm ♪ 1590 01:33:39,582 --> 01:33:43,394 ♪ I tied the rope around and I walked to kingdom come ♪ 1591 01:33:43,394 --> 01:33:45,150 ♪ I left the soap on the floor ♪ 1592 01:33:45,150 --> 01:33:47,370 ♪ When Whitney Houston slipped in the shower ♪ 1593 01:33:47,370 --> 01:33:51,462 ♪ I'm a mystery man, shot Tupac Shakour ♪ 1594 01:33:51,462 --> 01:33:56,462 ♪ I'll never be satisfied ♪ 1595 01:34:00,072 --> 01:34:05,072 ♪ I'll never be satisfied ♪ 1596 01:34:07,407 --> 01:34:12,407 ♪ I'll never be satisfied ♪ 1597 01:34:15,114 --> 01:34:20,114 ♪ I'll never be satisfied ♪ 1598 01:34:23,299 --> 01:34:25,986 ♪ Everybody knows I killed Brian Jones ♪ 1599 01:34:25,986 --> 01:34:30,186 ♪ Ask John, ask Paul, ask George and Ringo ♪ 1600 01:34:30,186 --> 01:34:33,771 ♪ Don't tell Mick he's the Charlton News ♪ 1601 01:34:33,771 --> 01:34:37,759 ♪ It was me who put the poison in the swimming pool ♪ 1602 01:34:52,597 --> 01:34:57,597 ♪ Late one night in a Soho bar ♪ 1603 01:34:59,391 --> 01:35:04,391 ♪ Some cat turns up with an old guitar ♪ 1604 01:35:06,442 --> 01:35:08,238 ♪ He wears a candy striped suit ♪ 1605 01:35:08,238 --> 01:35:13,238 ♪ He's got straight blond hair ♪ 1606 01:35:13,646 --> 01:35:18,646 ♪ His name's Brian Jones, he's got a five yard stare ♪ 1607 01:35:21,209 --> 01:35:24,961 ♪ Hey look there goes Brian Jones ♪ 1608 01:35:24,961 --> 01:35:28,621 ♪ The real true leader of the Rolling Stones ♪ 1609 01:35:28,621 --> 01:35:33,621 ♪ Hey look there goes Brian Jones ♪ 1610 01:35:35,925 --> 01:35:40,925 ♪ Out somewhere in the old King Road ♪ 1611 01:35:42,535 --> 01:35:47,535 ♪ Some sick kind of leader powders her nose ♪ 1612 01:35:49,871 --> 01:35:54,871 ♪ She's got every single record by the Rolling Stones ♪ 1613 01:35:57,039 --> 01:36:02,039 ♪ And she's just about the lay it down to Brian Jones ♪ 1614 01:36:04,483 --> 01:36:07,991 ♪ Hey look there goes Brian Jones ♪ 1615 01:36:07,991 --> 01:36:11,939 ♪ The real true leader of the Rolling Stones ♪ 1616 01:36:11,939 --> 01:36:16,106 ♪ Hey look there goes Brian Jones ♪ 1617 01:36:39,779 --> 01:36:43,167 ♪ Welcome to the bitter world ♪ 1618 01:36:43,167 --> 01:36:47,335 ♪ You're hungry for the glitter girl ♪ 1619 01:36:47,335 --> 01:36:50,743 ♪ Precious and bright unfurled ♪ 1620 01:36:50,743 --> 01:36:55,743 ♪ You're hungry, hungry for the glitter girl ♪ 1621 01:36:59,007 --> 01:37:02,322 ♪ Pause into the lineage ♪ 1622 01:37:02,322 --> 01:37:06,523 ♪ Of any Trojan horse ♪ 1623 01:37:06,523 --> 01:37:09,687 ♪ Gallop from your Mama's womb ♪ 1624 01:37:09,687 --> 01:37:13,723 ♪ With no sense of remorse ♪ 1625 01:37:13,723 --> 01:37:17,051 ♪ Skewering social intercourse ♪ 1626 01:37:17,051 --> 01:37:21,059 ♪ You're on a treasure hunt ♪ 1627 01:37:21,059 --> 01:37:24,386 ♪ That the only rope your heart ♪ 1628 01:37:24,386 --> 01:37:28,915 ♪ Is just a missing part ♪ 1629 01:37:28,915 --> 01:37:31,827 ♪ Welcome to the bitter world ♪ 1630 01:37:31,827 --> 01:37:35,863 ♪ You're hungry for the glitter girl ♪ 1631 01:37:35,863 --> 01:37:39,747 ♪ Precious bright unfurled ♪ 1632 01:37:39,747 --> 01:37:44,519 ♪ You're hungry, hungry for the glitter girl ♪ 1633 01:37:44,519 --> 01:37:49,519 ♪ Glitter girl, glitter girl, glitter girl, glitter girl ♪ 1634 01:37:51,147 --> 01:37:56,147 ♪ Glitter girl, glitter girl, glitter girl, glitter girl ♪ 1635 01:38:03,315 --> 01:38:05,819 ♪ Fill the hungry eyes ♪ 1636 01:38:05,819 --> 01:38:09,795 ♪ You're set in place, your own demise ♪ 1637 01:38:09,795 --> 01:38:13,334 ♪ Pick your markers like the one ♪ 1638 01:38:13,334 --> 01:38:17,235 ♪ And hit the streets of Babylon ♪ 1639 01:38:24,971 --> 01:38:28,375 ♪ Wearing lace and pearls and gloves ♪ 1640 01:38:28,375 --> 01:38:32,755 ♪ You pride them all with floating love ♪ 1641 01:38:32,755 --> 01:38:35,423 ♪ Welcome to the bitter world ♪ 1642 01:38:35,423 --> 01:38:39,787 ♪ You're hungry for the glitter girl ♪ 1643 01:38:39,787 --> 01:38:41,796 ♪ Precious ♪