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( soft violin music )
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( man speaking English )
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This is James Wright Foley,
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an American citizen
of your country.
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The Foley video,
partly the image,
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but even more
the voice of his captor
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was really shocking
because it was so clearly
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a British London accent.
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Man:
The way that he spoke
into the camera, his demeanor,
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his accent, we'd never seen
anything like this before.
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We then obviously had
a race to find out who he was.
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His size, his hands,
but above all his voice
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made identifying him quite easy.
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It was very distinctive,
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and within hours we had a name
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for that individual,
Mohammed Emwazi.
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Mohammed Emwazi:
You are no longer
fighting an insurgency,
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we are an Islamic army
and a state.
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Woman:
You saw a masked man
with a knife,
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and he sent this message that
the Islamic State was here,
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it was not Al-Qaeda,
everyone knew about Al-Qaeda,
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but ISIS, Al-Baghdadi,
these guys were different,
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they were this new brand.
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Man:
The Islamic State could not
have planned it any better,
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if there was one thing
that I think contributed
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to the rise of his fame
and the expansion
of his own message,
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was the fact that
the international news media
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called him "Jihadi John."
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Man 2:
Jihadi John, he knows
that we're coming after him,
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he went to great lengths
to prevent being captured.
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He didn't want to get captured,
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he didn't want to get killed.
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How did you go
from this conservative,
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sports-loving teenager
to somebody who's splashed
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with the arterial blood
of the men he's beheading?
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This is not just
a subtle transformation,
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this is literally
going from nothing
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to everything
with little in between.
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( soft violin music )
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( bombs exploding )
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( bomb exploding )
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( bomb exploding )
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Woman:
Mohammed Emwazi,
he had an interesting journey,
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but not one that's particularly
different to other people.
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He started off in Kuwait
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where his family were
a persecuted minority.
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They were known
as the Bedoon tribe
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with people who were not
recognized nationally
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by the Kuwaiti government.
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Man:
His father was more
successful than most Bedoon
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because his father
was a police officer
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and his mother was a Yemeni.
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So, the Emwazis,
like lots of Bedoon,
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were considering where to go
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in terms of escaping
the persecution,
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and they'd heard
good stories about London.
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So the Emwazis
with little Mohammed in 1993,
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when he was about
six years old,
packed their bags
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and headed for London.
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And they were then subsequently
given asylum in the UK.
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Robert Verkaik:
They moved into
a small flat in Maida Vale.
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His father, Jassem,
he began work as a cab driver
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and they began to
build a family.
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For Mohammed,
his first school
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was a Church of England
primary school.
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Dr. Emman El-Badawy:
And Emwazi spent
his life growing up
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as somebody who I guess
was always wondering
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about his identity,
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someone who's family had
to leave their home country
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because of their identity,
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and then subsequently
trying to figure out
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how he fits into this new
society in the heart of the UK.
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Verkaik:
He supported Manchester United,
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but he also liked pop
groups like S Club 7.
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♪ There's people try
to put your down ♪
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♪ Just walk on by,
don't turn around ♪
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♪ You only have to
answer to yourself ♪
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Verkaik:
In his year book
at primary school
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he said his big dream was to be
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a Manchester United
football player.
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It's all he wanted to do.
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Woman:
Mohammed was in year 10
when I started as Head.
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He wasn't a particularly
noticeable young person.
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( children chattering )
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Woman 2:
I met Mohammed through teaching
English for about a year,
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so I didn't teach
him for very long,
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but the family I grew
to know really well
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because his younger sister
was then in my next year group.
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He wasn't vocal, he wasn't
particularly aggressive,
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he was just a kind of,
like a passenger.
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I always see Mohammed
as like a passenger.
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He was much more of a follower
than he was a leader.
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He kind of hunched and tried
to make eye contact with me.
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He found that difficult.
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He often walked around
covering his mouth
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and sometimes some young
boys would tease him
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about his breath,
but that was, I think,
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it was more of
an insecurity for him.
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Verkaik:
If kids starting baiting him
about his breath, he'd react.
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They'd start ganging up on him
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and they knew which buttons
to press with Emwazi.
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It just shows how kind
of vulnerable he was.
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He was slightly strange.
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I wouldn't say he was a misfit.
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I think that's probably
a bit too pejorative,
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but I think he wasn't
necessarily sure
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exactly where he fitted in.
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On the playing field where
the boys would play football,
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I remember one time
I confiscated the ball
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because I was being
hit every second.
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At one point,
Mohammed was nearby,
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and I kind of looked at him.
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"Wasn't me miss."
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I said,
"Okay, just move on."
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He wasn't argumentative,
he wasn't rude,
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he wasn't aggressive.
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He just was very pliable,
he just would... just be.
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( speaking in foreign language )
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Have you finished every level?
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Sorry.
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( speaking in foreign language )
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Claudia Giarruso:
But the few occasions
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I would take the class
into the computer room,
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Mohammed would gravitate
to those computers.
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He would love to be
in the computer room
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and it's almost
like he came alive
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when he was in
front of a screen.
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In away it was kind of a world
that he could escape to.
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Man:
I think it is useful
to begin at the beginning,
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you know, where did
ISIS actually begin?
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El-Badawy:
Prior to 2010,
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no one knew who this
guy called Al-Badri was.
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He was this unassuming
individual brought up
in Samarra,
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east of the Tigris in Iraq,
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and he buried himself in
religious text and scripture.
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He was obsessed
with the debates
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and disputes around
the contemporary called jihad.
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He was essentially a bookworm.
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Al-Badri later changed
his name to Al-Baghdadi.
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But he'd also come into
contact in the early 2000s
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with a notorious member of
Al-Qaeda called Zarqawi.
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( speaking in foreign language )
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Zarqawi, a very effective,
charismatic, superior leader.
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Zarqawi was a master of
the management of violence.
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- ( bombs exploding )
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So he led the insurgency
against the coalition
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and Zarqawi ended up
pioneering the business model
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of suicide bombers.
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- ( bombs exploding )
- ( sirens whirring )
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And with the Islamist views
that Al-Baghdadi had developed,
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combined with the views
that Zarqawi communicated,
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he became
incredibly influenced.
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Baghdadi was well placed
to network and recruit
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for Al-Qaeda and particularly
Zarqawi's version of Al-Qaeda.
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And so, I see a distinct
difference between the two.
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Zarqawi had a plan and he
ruthlessly executed that plan,
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whereas Al-Baghdadi had a
vision for what he wanted to do
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and a vision has
a longer-term timeline
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and it has a broader set of
aspirations and expectations.
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( upbeat techno music )
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( train whirling )
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As Emwazi progresses
through his teenage years
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he's drinking, his friends
say he loves clubbing,
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he's smoking cannabis.
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He's got a reputation for
being a bit of a party animal.
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Shuter:
So, my perception of him once
he got into the sixth form,
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and he-- obviously he wanted
to go to university,
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but he did become less
willing to fit in.
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The level of defiance
in him grew,
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and I remember occasions when
he was asked to leave lessons
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because he just wasn't working.
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Verkaik:
Some of his older friends
in the community
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are part of street gangs.
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This is another theme
in Emwazi's life.
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He's very much
influenced by older men.
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So, all key figures in his life
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tend to be people
who he can look up to
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and some of the gang members
were involved in crime,
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one or two served
jail terms for stealing bikes,
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drugs offenses.
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Emwazi himself was
arrested and put on trial
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for a string of bike robberies.
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He was eventually
acquitted of that,
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but by association
he was being drawn into
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this kind of crime lifestyle.
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Shuter:
He was part of
a very supportive,
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inclusive school environment
and going on to university
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a lot of those kinds of support
structures are withdrawn
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and I think that for any
vulnerable young person
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being part of a very big
faceless university community
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is where some of those
issues would have set in.
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Like we've said, he was one of
those invisible young people
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that we assume
everything is okay,
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and in hindsight it
obviously wasn't.
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If you try to look at
the physical origins
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of the Islamic State
as a fighting force,
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the seeds were sown in
places like Camp Bucca,
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News reporter:
This is a new frontline
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in the fight against
terrorism, Camp Bucca,
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the United States biggest
detention facility in Iraq.
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Inside Camp Bucca
there are more than
19,000 civilian detainees.
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They are neither criminals,
nor prisoners of war.
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Wise:
There's a significant amount
of mystery about Baghdadi
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and the circumstances
of his life
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that ultimately resulted
in him being incarcerated
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in Camp Bucca.
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He knew that the best way for
him to survive in that camp
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was to take on the persona of
a senior respected individual
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in the camp community
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by gaining the trust
of the US military.
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When I took over
command of the surge
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as a four star in early 2007,
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it was quickly apparent to me
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that this was
almost a terrorist
training university.
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We had failed to remove
the true extremists
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from the midst
of the population
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where they were proselytizing
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and essentially running
these particular areas.
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General David Petraeus:
These are all Al-Qaeda,
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but this is not a place
that you want to hang around
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so we really don't wanna
stand here that much longer
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because they will now
organize around us
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and you can already see
the lieutenant's ready to move.
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- Man: If you go back just.
- Petraeus: Yep.
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Petraeus:
Look at them think, look at them
put two and two together.
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They are watching,
when I'm looking at them here,
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it's just like they are watching
really, really carefully.
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Petraeus:
I know, I know that,
and not only that,
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there's another unique matter,
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notice how because they
are a collective society
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they don't think alone.
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They're thinking
on groups of three to five
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with somebody else
standing behind asking them
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to ask the question
so he doesn't get identified.
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Inside a compound like this,
there are leaders.
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We don't know yet who they are.
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Wise:
Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi,
clearly understood
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not being a warrior himself
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that he could in fact
lead and manage warriors.
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So, this was the laboratory
in which his culture was grown.
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You had an alienated
group of Iraqi officers
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mixing with some
extremist elements
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that were already there.
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The two came together in
a sort of symbiotic way
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that over time, because this
didn't happen overnight,
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a lot of these
relationships were formed,
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but didn't flourish
for a number of years
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until suddenly there was
a marriage of convenience
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and they fired each other up.
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When he was released for
cooperative and good behavior
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from Camp Bucca, he continued
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to manage the persona
of a good Iraqi citizen.
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He hid literally
in plain sight.
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Petraeus:
The days of Zarqawi are over...
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and now Iraqis can
rejoice and take pride
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in what has been accomplished
in eliminating that threat.
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Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi
used that timeframe
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between the death of Zarqawi
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and the destruction
of Al-Qaeda in Iraq
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to exploit the relationships
that he had made in the camp
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and consolidate
his infrastructure and
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in a position to declare the
existence of the Islamic State.
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Verkaik:
Mohammed Emwazi turned up
at Westminster,
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and he was wearing
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a Pittsburgh Pirates
baseball cap and tracksuit.
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There was nothing really
Islamic about him.
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Man:
So, he started in 2006,
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a normal teenage lad
with normal aspirations.
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but something happened over
the intervening three years.
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We'd had reporting on him
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during some of his
later university years
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that he was becoming
more extreme.
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It's likely the strongest
influence on Emwazi at that time
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were two specific individuals.
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Mohammed Sakr who had also
been to the same school,
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but three years older than
Emwazi had already been to
Kenya,
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he'd been arrested,
he had lots of stories to tell
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about how he was leading
this really exciting life.
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- ( guns exploding )
- ( singing in
foreign language )
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As charismatic as Sakr was,
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his friend,
a guy called Bilal Berjawi,
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he'd also been to Kenya,
he'd been arrested,
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he'd been accused of
being involved in terrorism.
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He had double the charisma,
he had double the stories.
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And it's become
increasingly apparent
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that radicalization isn't
something for lonely people.
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There's a strong social
process that happens.
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What started off as him just
being a difficult teenager,
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doing lots of
delinquent activity
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to becoming actually someone
who wanted to redeem himself
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and return back to his
original Islamic identity
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and practice it more wholly.
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A very insightful story from one
of his old school friends
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who was sitting in a shisha bar
on the Edgeware Road
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and Emwazi and two associates
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were walking down
the Edgeware Road
in their white robes
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and the friend says to Emwazi,
"Hi Mohammad, how are you?"
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This is a new Emwazi.
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He doesn't acknowledge
old friends anymore.
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He walked past
with his head in the air.
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This was, he'd moved on.
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( train clanging )
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Man:
There are similarities
between a criminal lifestyle
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and recruitment for jihad.
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So everyone's looking
for a sense of purpose
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and meaning and
significance in life
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and the jihadist
milieu presents itself
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as a David versus
Goliath mentality
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for those that
are disenfranchised.
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We give a family to those
that never had a family before.
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Prisons have becoming breeding
grounds for recruitment,
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for the very reason that
it's very easy to take someone
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who has an affiliation
with a gang and convince them
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that they should act out
and lash out against
their society
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because they already have that.
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You present Islam as
an ability to transform that
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into something
powerful and positive.
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It gives structure
where there was none
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and it can be very
beneficial at first.
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They start to go to school,
they start to associate
with positive religious friends.
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Their interest in reading
and studying changes,
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but it's really part and parcel
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of that first step
into extremism.
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It is a major tool
for recruitment
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'cause you're selling
a complete lifestyle
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in the same way
that a gang sells
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a complete
countercultural lifestyle.
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You're selling
a countercultural,
gang-like lifestyle.
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And so the two
correlate rather well.
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( clock ticking )
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Verkaik:
Having left university in 2009,
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they cast their eyes
around the world
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and the region
they land on is Somalia
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because Somalia is in the grip
of an Islamic revolution.
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Somalia was
the only jihad in town
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as far as they were concerned.
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Looking at it from his eyes,
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all he wants to do
is go and take part
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in what he would describe
as a humanitarian mission.
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He thinks that going to join
an Islamist group in Somalia
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is like working
with children in crisis.
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You know, conveniently
ignores the fact
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that Al-Shabaab,
they've been involved
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in a number of terror
atrocities already,
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they've got blood
on their hands,
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they are a hugely destabilizing
force in the region.
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March 2009, Emwazi teamed
up with a couple of friends
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and they set off to Tanzania
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where they said they
were going to go on safari.
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( plane engine whooshing )
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Walton:
I know and we know,
we were running operations
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against West London
Islamists at the time
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and we were fully aware
of their intentions,
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which were not
to go to a safari.
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Verkaik:
When they arrived
in Dar es Salaam,
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they were
greeted by the Tanzanian
Security Services.
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They were locked up
for the night,
subject to beatings,
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generally roughed
up you might say,
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and we know all this because
of Emwazi's own accounts
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of what happened to him.
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( Mohammed Emwazi speaking )
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They went back via Amsterdam,
when they arrived at Amsterdam,
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they were met again by
security service officers
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from both the Dutch
security service and MI5.
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( Mohammed Emwazi speaking )
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Verkaik:
He was quizzed in Amsterdam
for 12 or so hours.
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On his return to Dover
he was further questioned
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by British Security Services.
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Walton:
We made approaches to him,
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we wanted to give him the
opportunity to work for us
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and to actually desist
from becoming a terrorist.
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( Mohammed Emwazi speaking )
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They rammed home this idea
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that life could become
uncomfortable for him
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unless of course he wanted
to cooperate with them.
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Perhaps let us know what some
of your friends are up to.
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To Emwazi this was
a red rag to a bull.
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This is not something
that he's prepared to do.
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It's an ultimate betrayal of
everything that he has become.
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( Mohammed Emwazi speaking )
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The challenge for the service
in the context of Jihadi
John is understanding
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how his mental state is evolving
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because there's lots
going on in his life,
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lots of traumatic events that
would be traumatic to anybody
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let alone somebody who's
already got a sense
of persecution by the state.
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If there's any suggestion at all
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that it may have
the opposite effect,
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then the recruitment
ought not to take place.
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Walton:
There's always a risk when
you make these approaches
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and the chances of
success are in any event
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fairly minimal,
but you can't not do them.
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You have to give
an individual an opportunity
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to not go down that path.
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But we've got to be careful.
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There's a nature/nurture
debate within that.
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Was he always likely to carry
out that kind of activity
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or did he carry out that
activity just because
he was approached.
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I think it's unlikely
that was the turning point.
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Emwazi now had something
to tell his friends.
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00:23:50,751 --> 00:23:52,667
He'd been stopped by the cops.
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00:23:52,751 --> 00:23:54,542
He'd been insulted,
he would say,
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00:23:54,626 --> 00:23:56,125
by the security services.
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He'd received
a beating in Tanzania.
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You can imagine how proud
he was, he'd come of age.
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00:24:02,042 --> 00:24:04,584
He was a serious
jihadi player now.
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00:24:18,918 --> 00:24:22,125
El-Badawy:
I mean in my line of work,
I remember monitoring Al-Qaeda
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and by chance happened
to track
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the rumblings
of another group,
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another sort of
fringe organization
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that had sprouted
from old Al-Qaeda in Iraq.
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Baghdadi had spent much
of 2010 building a network
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of veteran jihadists who had
been running the course of time
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to find the next big conflict.
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00:24:40,959 --> 00:24:43,125
( bombs exploding )
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News reporter:
As the Syrian struggle
intensifies,
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the battle to remove
the Assad regime
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is pulling in volunteer
fighters from across
the Arab world.
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But the chaos unleashed by
the uprising has also drawn in
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foreign jihadists,
Islamic extremists,
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some believed to be
affiliated to Al-Qaeda.
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00:25:00,375 --> 00:25:01,709
( speaking in foreign language )
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And Abu Akbar Al-Baghdadi
saw an opportunity
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and so he dispatched
an operative named
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Al-Julani to Syria,
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and Al-Julani created
the Jabhat al-Nusra,
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00:25:13,834 --> 00:25:17,500
which was the initial extreme
Islamic presence in Syria.
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News reporter:
So far, US support
for the rebels
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has been limited to
non-lethal assistance,
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communications equipment,
humanitarian aid,
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but no weapons.
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Arming a fragmented opposition
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that has some extremist
elements carries a risk,
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00:25:31,083 --> 00:25:34,584
analysts say, but so does
staying on the side lines.
437
00:25:34,667 --> 00:25:37,167
What we've done
in the case of Syria
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is just enough
to keep the war alive,
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00:25:39,459 --> 00:25:41,542
but never enough
to allow it to be won.
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We never provided the support
for the moderate elements
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of this uprising, and it was
the more extreme elements
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that were pursuing
the bolder action.
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El-Badawy:
Jabhat al-Nusra
started to embed themselves
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within the rebel forces
in Syria and this was at a time
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when a lot of Rebel groups,
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whether they were
Islamists or not,
447
00:26:00,709 --> 00:26:02,250
they were pretty disorganized
448
00:26:02,334 --> 00:26:04,959
and so any level of
organization filled a vacuum,
449
00:26:05,042 --> 00:26:06,500
and Baghdadi
was ready to do that
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because of the work
he'd been doing since 2010.
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00:26:09,667 --> 00:26:14,250
What Baghdadi built
in Syria swept back in to
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first western Iraq
drawing strength and money
453
00:26:17,083 --> 00:26:20,584
and ammunition and explosives
and vehicles and so forth.
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This was a terrorist army
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00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:25,959
and they spread through
Iraq really like a cancer,
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00:26:26,042 --> 00:26:28,542
and they move through
the Sunni portions of Iraq.
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00:26:28,626 --> 00:26:30,751
They get dangerously
close to Baghdad,
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00:26:30,834 --> 00:26:33,667
News reporter:
The Iraqi government
is losing control.
459
00:26:33,751 --> 00:26:36,584
This is happening
with unbelievable speed.
460
00:26:36,667 --> 00:26:38,584
A violent Islamic
group has launched
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something of an invasion.
462
00:26:40,626 --> 00:26:43,250
News reporter:
A Sunni Islamic terror group
formed last year
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after being expelled from
Al-Qaeda for being too radical.
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But who are they?
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They're the Islamic
State in Iraq and Syria,
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I-S-I-S for short.
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Petraeus:
And so you have ultimately
tens of thousands
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of disenchanted Muslims
who come to rise up
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00:26:59,042 --> 00:27:02,792
in this very twisted
interpretation of Islam
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that is propagated by a leader
with extraordinary vision
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00:27:07,167 --> 00:27:09,584
and quite extraordinary
operational skills
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and this is, of course,
Al-Baghdadi.
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The latest reports are
that police forces in Mosul
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were taking off their uniforms,
laying down their guns
and leaving.
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00:27:18,918 --> 00:27:20,417
News reporter:
There is a video
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that has been released
by this group ISIS
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00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:25,417
that shows what seems
to be a very grisly massacre
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about 150 Iraqi soldiers
lined up, executed.
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The ISIS guys are effectively,
using medieval warfare ethics.
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00:27:34,292 --> 00:27:36,083
Of course, human society
has moved on
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00:27:36,167 --> 00:27:39,459
in the ensuing centuries
and now we don't kill prisoners
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and we don't take slaves.
483
00:27:40,709 --> 00:27:42,500
( speaking in foreign language )
484
00:27:42,584 --> 00:27:45,667
( people screaming )
485
00:27:45,751 --> 00:27:49,626
( speaking in foreign language )
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00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:02,584
Dr. Usama Hasan:
But for ISIS they reject
modern convention.
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00:28:02,667 --> 00:28:06,042
They're trying
to stick to literal
interpretations of texts
488
00:28:06,125 --> 00:28:08,459
from the 7th and 8th centuries.
489
00:28:08,542 --> 00:28:11,834
So this is a battle for
the heart and soul of Islam.
490
00:28:24,626 --> 00:28:27,250
Verkaik:
In May 2009, Mohammed Emwazi
491
00:28:27,334 --> 00:28:29,918
has been through
quite an ordeal.
492
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,250
When he finally
gets back to London,
493
00:28:32,334 --> 00:28:35,042
still smarting
from the indignities
494
00:28:35,125 --> 00:28:38,626
of the interrogations
and detentions,
495
00:28:38,709 --> 00:28:41,584
he then discovers
that his fiancée's family
496
00:28:41,667 --> 00:28:44,167
have received a visit
from the security services.
497
00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:48,083
( Mohammed Emwazi speaking )
498
00:29:07,459 --> 00:29:10,751
Walton:
So his fiancée was
approached and, of course,
499
00:29:10,834 --> 00:29:12,250
she was then
deterred if you like.
500
00:29:12,334 --> 00:29:14,334
She then walks away from him.
501
00:29:14,417 --> 00:29:18,834
Verkaik:
For them, who are a very
conservative Somali family.
502
00:29:18,918 --> 00:29:20,834
This is a problem.
503
00:29:20,918 --> 00:29:23,500
Not only have they
messed with his own life,
504
00:29:23,584 --> 00:29:26,042
they've messed
with his girlfriend's life.
505
00:29:26,125 --> 00:29:28,667
( Mohammed Emwazi speaking )
506
00:29:34,542 --> 00:29:37,459
Verkaik:
This is a transgression
that confirms everything
507
00:29:37,542 --> 00:29:42,000
that he's been told about
the British Security Services.
508
00:29:42,083 --> 00:29:44,375
Walton:
Bilal Berjawi, who'd
returned back to London
509
00:29:44,459 --> 00:29:46,876
after being trained in
a training camp in East Africa
510
00:29:46,959 --> 00:29:50,751
and, of course, he was
inspiring his little cohort.
511
00:29:50,834 --> 00:29:54,292
Verkaik:
The point about Berjawi
was that he could motivate
512
00:29:54,375 --> 00:29:56,500
all of the London
boys and if he said,
513
00:29:56,584 --> 00:29:58,626
"Let's go 'round rattling tins
514
00:29:58,709 --> 00:30:00,751
and collecting cash
outside the mosques,"
515
00:30:00,834 --> 00:30:02,083
then they'd all do it
516
00:30:02,167 --> 00:30:03,584
and Emwazi obviously
got caught up in that.
517
00:30:03,667 --> 00:30:06,167
The money was being transferred
back over to Somalia,
518
00:30:06,250 --> 00:30:07,709
then obviously being
used to buy firearms
519
00:30:07,792 --> 00:30:09,209
and to support Al-Shabaab.
520
00:30:09,292 --> 00:30:11,584
Effectively that's
terrorist fundraising,
521
00:30:11,667 --> 00:30:12,959
that's what he was engaged in.
522
00:30:16,459 --> 00:30:19,709
Verkaik:
While he's being stopped
when he goes out, questioned.
523
00:30:19,792 --> 00:30:22,542
He's being followed,
he's having to get involved
524
00:30:22,626 --> 00:30:25,000
in counter surveillance
activities,
525
00:30:25,083 --> 00:30:27,417
so he's sort of jumping on
trains at the last minute.
526
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:29,542
He's leaving his
mobile phone at home.
527
00:30:29,626 --> 00:30:31,500
He's meeting in parks
with associates.
528
00:30:31,584 --> 00:30:34,500
I mean he's looking
very suspicious.
529
00:30:34,584 --> 00:30:39,709
McKay:
As a young Muslim on the
fringes of extremist activities
530
00:30:39,792 --> 00:30:41,584
he was a legitimate target.
531
00:30:41,667 --> 00:30:44,667
In fact, the service would
have been failing in its duty
532
00:30:44,751 --> 00:30:48,542
if it didn't keep him under
some kind of observation.
533
00:30:48,626 --> 00:30:50,626
Walton:
What you have with
individuals like this,
534
00:30:50,709 --> 00:30:53,250
you have an emerging
intelligence picture,
535
00:30:53,334 --> 00:30:56,125
based on intelligence
that you're receiving
536
00:30:56,209 --> 00:30:58,834
from individuals that are
associating with them,
537
00:30:58,918 --> 00:31:02,375
who are working for us
and they're telling us
538
00:31:02,459 --> 00:31:05,959
that he's becoming more
hard-lined, more extremist
539
00:31:06,042 --> 00:31:08,834
and more of a threat.
540
00:31:08,918 --> 00:31:12,792
Verkaik:
Emwazi's family were concerned
about their oldest son.
541
00:31:12,876 --> 00:31:15,375
His younger brother Omar,
who I met and who told me
542
00:31:15,459 --> 00:31:17,417
that the family hatched a plan
543
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:21,459
where he would
travel to Kuwait,
stay with his grandmother
544
00:31:21,542 --> 00:31:23,584
and he would escape,
not just the attention
545
00:31:23,667 --> 00:31:26,459
of the security services,
but also the influence
546
00:31:26,542 --> 00:31:29,292
of the gang
that he was running with
547
00:31:29,375 --> 00:31:30,709
and that's what he did.
548
00:31:30,792 --> 00:31:33,375
He took a job with
a computer company
549
00:31:33,459 --> 00:31:35,751
where he was involved in the
technical side of the company
550
00:31:35,834 --> 00:31:38,042
and he also had
a salesman role as well
551
00:31:38,125 --> 00:31:41,626
and the boss thought he
was an excellent worker.
552
00:31:41,709 --> 00:31:43,667
He'd met another girlfriend,
553
00:31:43,751 --> 00:31:47,292
someone who he also
wanted to marry.
554
00:31:47,375 --> 00:31:49,417
So he was still intent
on having a family life.
555
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,792
He was enjoying his new life,
he was happy.
556
00:31:57,959 --> 00:32:00,667
It's always a question
about what drives a terrorist
557
00:32:00,751 --> 00:32:02,626
to become a terrorist.
558
00:32:02,709 --> 00:32:05,542
and it's often
a range of motivations.
559
00:32:05,626 --> 00:32:08,334
It's not just a top-down
process of recruitment.
560
00:32:08,417 --> 00:32:09,834
As we used to say,
the obligation
561
00:32:09,918 --> 00:32:11,584
is not to convert
the entire world,
562
00:32:11,667 --> 00:32:14,667
but to make the truth accessible
to those that seek it,
563
00:32:14,751 --> 00:32:15,834
so these are seekers.
564
00:32:15,918 --> 00:32:17,375
If you look at what motivates
565
00:32:17,459 --> 00:32:20,751
and what motivated young
people to go out to Syria
566
00:32:20,834 --> 00:32:24,918
many of them were going
to pursue a romantic notion
567
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,292
of a high-minded,
religiously inspired, faithful,
568
00:32:29,375 --> 00:32:33,334
pure way of life in
a way that young people
569
00:32:33,417 --> 00:32:35,667
in lots of countries will want
to do something worthwhile
570
00:32:35,751 --> 00:32:36,959
with their lives.
571
00:32:37,042 --> 00:32:39,042
Brutal honesty,
I didn't want to sit
572
00:32:39,125 --> 00:32:41,500
in a nine-to-five job.
573
00:32:41,584 --> 00:32:46,042
I wanted to be part
of something bigger.
574
00:32:46,125 --> 00:32:49,626
My dad, joined the RAF
when he was around about 17.
575
00:32:49,709 --> 00:32:52,209
He saw a lot of suffering,
a lot of things there.
576
00:32:52,292 --> 00:32:54,209
I think that's
when he first started
577
00:32:54,292 --> 00:32:56,375
to get this love
of helping people
578
00:32:56,459 --> 00:32:59,125
I feel especially attracted
by the Middle East
579
00:32:59,209 --> 00:33:03,209
because it is close
and still very different,
580
00:33:03,292 --> 00:33:06,792
and it is also where the roots
of our civilization are.
581
00:33:08,459 --> 00:33:10,167
I became a
holy warrior at one point.
582
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:13,834
At the age of 19, I took
part in jihad in Afghanistan
583
00:33:13,918 --> 00:33:16,334
fighting against
Afghan communist soldiers
584
00:33:16,417 --> 00:33:18,042
who were backed
by the Soviet Union.
585
00:33:18,125 --> 00:33:19,500
For me,
the experience of the jihad
586
00:33:19,584 --> 00:33:21,042
was actually very positive
587
00:33:21,125 --> 00:33:23,209
and we were defending
oppressed people
588
00:33:23,292 --> 00:33:26,083
and taking part in military
activity when you're 19,
589
00:33:26,167 --> 00:33:29,334
it's really cool
to fire guns at that age.
590
00:33:31,459 --> 00:33:35,459
Woman:
Jim was driven by what he saw
591
00:33:35,542 --> 00:33:40,209
and the more he saw of
the suffering of the people,
592
00:33:40,292 --> 00:33:43,584
the more compelled he felt
to tell their stories.
593
00:33:43,667 --> 00:33:45,542
So there was a dilemma
around the journalists
594
00:33:45,626 --> 00:33:47,918
and the aid workers who
were traveling out there
595
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,250
and in many respects
they were causing us
more and more problems.
596
00:33:51,334 --> 00:33:55,042
Bethany Haines:
My dad went over to Croatia
and then on to Libya
597
00:33:55,125 --> 00:33:59,792
just giving out aid and then
he got the job going to Syria.
598
00:33:59,876 --> 00:34:03,459
Syria was the single
biggest humanitarian crisis
at the time.
599
00:34:03,542 --> 00:34:05,417
I felt like I had
something to offer.
600
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:08,959
Um...
I guess it was exciting.
601
00:34:09,042 --> 00:34:11,792
I thought that I got some
addiction to adrenaline,
602
00:34:11,876 --> 00:34:15,667
but while some war
reporters may be
603
00:34:15,751 --> 00:34:17,250
only driven by adrenaline,
604
00:34:17,334 --> 00:34:20,125
I was also driven to
tell the story of people.
605
00:34:20,209 --> 00:34:22,459
And I think as it
got more dangerous,
606
00:34:22,542 --> 00:34:27,959
more and more media
were pulling out of Syria
607
00:34:28,042 --> 00:34:31,209
and so I think he felt
more and more compelled
608
00:34:31,292 --> 00:34:34,667
to do what he felt
he knew how to do.
609
00:34:34,751 --> 00:34:36,542
Walton:
And of course
to a war reporter,
610
00:34:36,626 --> 00:34:37,751
it's part of their day job
611
00:34:37,834 --> 00:34:39,375
to go to these difficult areas,
612
00:34:39,459 --> 00:34:42,375
but there was just massively
high risk for anyone
613
00:34:42,459 --> 00:34:43,584
traveling into that region.
614
00:34:43,667 --> 00:34:45,626
( gunfire blasting )
615
00:34:45,709 --> 00:34:49,751
( singing in foreign language )
616
00:34:54,209 --> 00:34:56,334
Walton:
At one time,
you had Islamic State
617
00:34:56,417 --> 00:34:59,209
pulling people out of cars,
abducting them
618
00:34:59,292 --> 00:35:01,792
and then they were filming
all of this process.
619
00:35:01,876 --> 00:35:03,834
Haines:
And these particular videos
620
00:35:03,918 --> 00:35:06,709
have been deliberately put
out in the open for ISIS
621
00:35:06,792 --> 00:35:12,209
to communicate its processes
of rooting out spies
622
00:35:12,292 --> 00:35:15,667
and people who are trying to
undermine the cause for ISIS.
623
00:35:23,167 --> 00:35:26,792
Walton:
Once an individual knows that
they are under the scrutiny
624
00:35:26,876 --> 00:35:29,918
of the state they
then have to develop,
625
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,959
if you like, cover stories
for their activity.
626
00:35:32,042 --> 00:35:36,083
Verkaik:
Unfortunately, Emwazi
has problems with his teeth.
627
00:35:36,167 --> 00:35:37,542
He tries Kuwaiti dentists,
628
00:35:37,626 --> 00:35:40,167
but none of them can solve
his severe tooth ache.
629
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:43,709
He can't sleep,
so he speaks to his family
630
00:35:43,792 --> 00:35:45,459
and they say come back.
631
00:35:45,542 --> 00:35:47,417
We were receiving
intelligence that potentially
632
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:50,500
he's still aspiring to
become a hardened terrorist.
633
00:35:50,584 --> 00:35:53,125
I would only say that
what we don't know is
634
00:35:53,209 --> 00:35:54,792
what else he's doing in Kuwait.
635
00:35:54,876 --> 00:35:57,834
All we know is that he's
coming back and forth.
636
00:35:57,918 --> 00:36:00,334
So he comes back
for the second time.
637
00:36:00,417 --> 00:36:03,709
Walton:
Of course raising again the
suspicion of the authorities
638
00:36:03,792 --> 00:36:06,334
that he was not content
with his life in Kuwait.
639
00:36:06,417 --> 00:36:10,167
Verkaik:
He turns up at Heathrow Airport
a few days later,
640
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:13,083
this time he's
detained in the airport.
641
00:36:13,167 --> 00:36:14,584
Walton:
According to his father,
642
00:36:14,667 --> 00:36:17,500
he's prevented
from going back to Kuwait,
643
00:36:17,584 --> 00:36:19,667
not by the Kuwaiti
Intelligence Services,
644
00:36:19,751 --> 00:36:21,375
but by British pressure
645
00:36:21,459 --> 00:36:23,417
on the Kuwaiti
Intelligence Services.
646
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:25,209
McKay:
Would it be a legitimate use
647
00:36:25,292 --> 00:36:28,250
of the security services
powers to invite another state
648
00:36:28,334 --> 00:36:30,667
to decline a visa? Possibly.
649
00:36:30,751 --> 00:36:33,000
But it's equally as plausible
that the Kuwaiti government
650
00:36:33,083 --> 00:36:34,834
just didn't want him
in the country.
651
00:36:34,918 --> 00:36:37,500
Verkaik:
Unfortunately, he learns
while he's in London
652
00:36:37,584 --> 00:36:39,417
that Kuwaiti Security Services
653
00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:42,500
have visited his
Kuwaiti fiancée's family.
654
00:36:42,584 --> 00:36:43,918
They have introduced the idea
655
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,209
that he may be
linked to terrorism.
656
00:36:47,292 --> 00:36:50,417
Again, the family
call the wedding off.
657
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:53,792
His whole life is being,
as far as he is concerned,
658
00:36:53,876 --> 00:36:55,626
funneled in one direction.
659
00:36:55,709 --> 00:36:57,334
Can't go to Kuwait,
660
00:36:57,417 --> 00:37:00,584
finding it impossible
to exist in London,
661
00:37:00,667 --> 00:37:03,876
his intentions are now
focused on extreme lifestyle,
662
00:37:03,959 --> 00:37:05,000
the full jihad.
663
00:37:10,292 --> 00:37:13,417
Emwazi was defiant
even in those early days
664
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:16,375
in terms of his approaching
an organization called CAGE,
665
00:37:16,459 --> 00:37:20,751
who purport to represent
the interests of
Islamic causes.
666
00:37:20,834 --> 00:37:23,042
He visits CAGE,
he discusses with them
667
00:37:23,125 --> 00:37:26,334
his problems he's having
with the security services.
668
00:37:26,417 --> 00:37:28,334
They suggest that
if he really wants
669
00:37:28,417 --> 00:37:30,876
to get the security
services off his case,
670
00:37:30,959 --> 00:37:32,375
he should go public.
671
00:37:32,459 --> 00:37:37,000
And this is when I am
introduced to Mohammed Emwazi.
672
00:37:37,083 --> 00:37:40,500
We speak to each other
on the telephone,
we switch emails.
673
00:37:40,584 --> 00:37:43,459
Emwazi and I agreed
to meet at a cafe.
674
00:37:43,542 --> 00:37:48,083
It became very clear early on
that this was a serious man.
675
00:37:48,167 --> 00:37:51,500
This wasn't someone who
thought it was interesting,
676
00:37:51,584 --> 00:37:53,083
exciting perhaps, to sit down
677
00:37:53,167 --> 00:37:54,751
and chat about his experiences.
678
00:37:54,834 --> 00:37:56,626
This was a defiant young man,
679
00:37:56,709 --> 00:38:00,584
who was convinced that
he had been the victim
680
00:38:00,667 --> 00:38:03,918
of a wrongdoing,
and it was my job to try
681
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,751
and help him right that wrong,
which was fine by me,
682
00:38:07,834 --> 00:38:10,792
because give us a good story,
and I'll print it.
683
00:38:10,876 --> 00:38:12,083
That was my approach.
684
00:38:12,167 --> 00:38:13,876
But as the conversation
went on,
685
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,417
he started to tell
me about the fiancées
686
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:20,500
and how the police had
destroyed these engagements,
687
00:38:20,584 --> 00:38:23,542
and that was what
sold his story to me.
688
00:38:23,626 --> 00:38:27,834
It seemed to me,
if I believed him,
a real step too far.
689
00:38:35,459 --> 00:38:38,751
So, by approaching CAGE,
by speaking to a journalist,
690
00:38:38,834 --> 00:38:43,459
this was his strategy for
countering our interventions.
691
00:38:43,542 --> 00:38:45,626
These are the early signs of him
692
00:38:45,709 --> 00:38:49,459
if you like being offensive
against the state.
693
00:38:51,959 --> 00:38:54,334
Verkaik:
Unfortunately,
he'd emailed me back
694
00:38:54,417 --> 00:38:56,626
saying he'd spoken
to the families
695
00:38:56,709 --> 00:38:59,250
and he wasn't confident
they would agree
696
00:38:59,334 --> 00:39:01,417
to have their pictures
in the newspaper.
697
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:04,083
He had pictures, but he
couldn't pass them on to me
698
00:39:04,167 --> 00:39:06,167
because that would
be a breach of trust.
699
00:39:06,250 --> 00:39:09,083
So, I had sort of
half a story, really.
700
00:39:09,167 --> 00:39:12,000
So, we never really got
the story off the ground,
701
00:39:12,083 --> 00:39:15,918
and that was the last
contact I had with him.
702
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,042
( rockets roar )
703
00:39:19,125 --> 00:39:20,667
James Foley:
Syrian government forces
704
00:39:20,751 --> 00:39:23,584
continued to bombard
Aleppo beating back rebels
705
00:39:23,667 --> 00:39:25,709
of the Free Syrian Army,
but the battle
706
00:39:25,792 --> 00:39:27,334
for the country's largest city
707
00:39:27,417 --> 00:39:30,292
is also taking
a deadly toll on civilians.
708
00:39:30,375 --> 00:39:32,500
The regime has bombed
hospitals, homes,
709
00:39:32,584 --> 00:39:35,417
even people standing
in line for bread.
710
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:38,542
Diane Foley:
I guess the biggest,
most obvious silence,
711
00:39:38,626 --> 00:39:41,459
was Thanksgiving of 2012.
712
00:39:41,542 --> 00:39:47,709
Jim was always very cognizant
of holidays or birthdays, or...
713
00:39:47,792 --> 00:39:50,125
and certainly Thanksgiving.
714
00:39:50,209 --> 00:39:53,083
To not hear from him was odd...
715
00:39:54,375 --> 00:39:57,751
and so we were a bit concerned.
716
00:39:57,834 --> 00:40:00,042
And it actually
was the next morning,
717
00:40:00,125 --> 00:40:01,667
the morning after Thanksgiving,
718
00:40:01,751 --> 00:40:04,542
when one of his colleagues
called to tell us
719
00:40:04,626 --> 00:40:06,417
that he had been captured.
720
00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:10,000
So...
that confirmed our fear.
721
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:21,083
Nicolas Henin:
Raqqa was taken six weeks or so
722
00:40:21,167 --> 00:40:23,334
before I arrived in the city
723
00:40:23,417 --> 00:40:26,209
and I wanted to do mostly
political reporting.
724
00:40:26,292 --> 00:40:31,167
We entered
the former headquarters
of the Ba'ath Party.
725
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:35,959
The following day we came
back to their headquarters
726
00:40:36,042 --> 00:40:38,709
and they just attacked
us in the street.
727
00:40:38,792 --> 00:40:40,042
That was a trap.
728
00:40:41,876 --> 00:40:44,292
And they drove me
for about 20 minutes.
729
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:50,709
When they removed the blindfold
I was in a bathroom
730
00:40:50,792 --> 00:40:53,751
and they locked the door.
731
00:40:53,834 --> 00:40:56,334
( door slams )
732
00:40:56,417 --> 00:41:01,834
I noticed the bars of the window
were potentially a bit weak
733
00:41:01,918 --> 00:41:07,709
and in the evening, I removed
the bars jumped outside.
734
00:41:07,792 --> 00:41:11,709
I was free and that was one
of the most exciting nights
735
00:41:11,792 --> 00:41:15,209
of my life, even
though I was terrified,
736
00:41:15,292 --> 00:41:19,042
especially the first
100 meters or so that I ran,
737
00:41:19,125 --> 00:41:22,417
and I was praying that
no one would have seen me.
738
00:41:24,042 --> 00:41:29,626
But after I took some distance,
I was like, Oh, that's so good!
739
00:41:29,709 --> 00:41:32,250
That's so good!
I am winning!
740
00:41:33,292 --> 00:41:34,584
These bastards!
741
00:41:35,584 --> 00:41:36,792
What a good trick!
742
00:41:36,876 --> 00:41:39,834
( man panting )
743
00:41:45,584 --> 00:41:46,709
I was euphoric.
744
00:41:49,876 --> 00:41:51,626
I wanted to reach Raqqa.
745
00:41:51,709 --> 00:41:55,167
I noticed already the lights
of Raqqa on the horizon,
746
00:41:55,250 --> 00:42:00,876
so I had the direction
and very early in the morning
747
00:42:00,959 --> 00:42:02,626
I arrived in a village.
748
00:42:02,709 --> 00:42:06,918
As I entered the streets
all the dogs start barking...
749
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,042
and I'm like, "Oh, shit,
I wanted to be discreet."
750
00:42:13,125 --> 00:42:18,792
And the first people I met
were two guys wearing pajamas,
751
00:42:18,876 --> 00:42:20,375
and they were jihadis.
752
00:42:20,459 --> 00:42:22,000
I couldn't recognize them
753
00:42:22,083 --> 00:42:25,250
because nothing differentiated
jihadis wearing pajamas
754
00:42:25,334 --> 00:42:27,459
from someone else
wearing pajamas,
755
00:42:27,542 --> 00:42:32,209
and they took me back to
the local police station
756
00:42:32,292 --> 00:42:37,417
and they rode me back
to the very same cell.
757
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:41,792
To be taken back is
almost worse than to be taken.
758
00:42:43,209 --> 00:42:45,584
I was like... ahh!
759
00:42:45,667 --> 00:42:46,709
Wow.
760
00:42:46,792 --> 00:42:48,709
Now the real shit begins.
761
00:42:53,959 --> 00:42:56,709
( bomb exploding )
762
00:42:56,792 --> 00:43:00,834
Walton:
In 2012, Emwazi's two mentors,
763
00:43:00,918 --> 00:43:04,459
Bilal Berjawi and Mohamed Sakr,
are killed in drone strikes
764
00:43:04,542 --> 00:43:07,125
by the American administration.
765
00:43:07,209 --> 00:43:09,834
Verkaik:
This must have a been
a devastating moment for him
766
00:43:09,918 --> 00:43:11,417
because while they were away,
767
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:14,751
Emwazi was close
to both their families.
768
00:43:14,834 --> 00:43:19,459
He was involved in looking
after Bilal Berjawi's, um, son.
769
00:43:19,542 --> 00:43:21,959
He took a sort of
an uncle's role.
770
00:43:22,042 --> 00:43:24,334
I think it was probably
a turning point.
771
00:43:24,417 --> 00:43:26,792
Walton:
And then you have a bigger
problem on your hands
772
00:43:26,876 --> 00:43:28,667
because then they're
more determined to travel
773
00:43:28,751 --> 00:43:31,709
and they'll find a way,
as indeed Emwazi did.
774
00:43:31,792 --> 00:43:35,125
At some point
in 2012, Mohammed Emwazi
775
00:43:35,209 --> 00:43:37,459
managed to slip
out of the country.
776
00:43:37,542 --> 00:43:40,083
Perhaps he joined
a convoy with other friends,
777
00:43:40,167 --> 00:43:43,751
we're not entirely
sure who he went with.
778
00:43:43,834 --> 00:43:48,334
So what we'd hoped
to stop came to pass.
779
00:43:48,417 --> 00:43:51,542
In a sense all we did was
held back the inevitable.
780
00:43:51,626 --> 00:43:55,459
Whether we contributed to
his further radicalization
781
00:43:55,542 --> 00:44:00,542
and his clear anger and vitriol
against the British state
782
00:44:00,626 --> 00:44:04,626
by stopping him from travel
is an interesting question.
783
00:44:07,709 --> 00:44:10,292
News reporter:
More than 70,000
Syrian refugees
784
00:44:10,375 --> 00:44:13,584
have flooded into Turkey
in the past 24 hours,
785
00:44:13,667 --> 00:44:15,459
according to UN officials,
786
00:44:15,542 --> 00:44:19,584
and that number could
grow to more than 100,000.
787
00:44:24,584 --> 00:44:26,584
I was working
for an organization
called Impact Initiative
788
00:44:26,667 --> 00:44:28,751
so we were doing
the humanitarian
data assessment,
789
00:44:28,834 --> 00:44:32,417
providing data that would
inform humanitarian
programming.
790
00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:35,667
David was a,
he was a big guy.
791
00:44:35,751 --> 00:44:37,000
When you first meet him,
792
00:44:37,083 --> 00:44:40,751
he was someone
who inspires confidence
793
00:44:40,834 --> 00:44:42,417
when you're going into places.
794
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:44,083
He was a wonderful guy.
795
00:44:44,167 --> 00:44:46,834
We had very similar ideas
as to the good and the bad
796
00:44:46,918 --> 00:44:48,375
of what we were doing.
797
00:44:48,459 --> 00:44:50,083
I think we connected
really quickly
798
00:44:50,167 --> 00:44:54,125
and felt comfortable
around each other.
799
00:44:56,459 --> 00:44:59,375
We spent the Saturday,
Sunday primarily in IBP camps
800
00:44:59,459 --> 00:45:02,209
moving around and also for me,
it was the first time
801
00:45:02,292 --> 00:45:03,542
that I was in Syria.
802
00:45:05,083 --> 00:45:08,125
The 12th of March,
I think was a Tuesday,
803
00:45:08,209 --> 00:45:12,083
we'd gone in in the morning
and we went to a town,
804
00:45:12,167 --> 00:45:16,125
a small town called Atarib,
and on our way back,
805
00:45:16,209 --> 00:45:19,500
I was on the phone
with my boss in Geneva,
806
00:45:19,584 --> 00:45:24,626
and at one stage we
passed two black cars.
807
00:45:24,709 --> 00:45:27,500
We were on a dirt track
and we got to a junction
808
00:45:27,584 --> 00:45:28,834
where the road sort of widened
809
00:45:28,918 --> 00:45:32,459
and became a more
normal road I guess,
810
00:45:32,542 --> 00:45:35,042
and that's where these cars
who had been now behind us,
811
00:45:35,125 --> 00:45:36,709
sort of one of them overtook.
812
00:45:44,959 --> 00:45:50,292
They blocked us out, and these
masked fighters jumped out
and surrounded the car.
813
00:45:50,375 --> 00:45:53,250
I actually dropped the phone
with my boss still on the line.
814
00:45:53,334 --> 00:45:55,334
I managed to say to him
that we were getting kidnapped,
815
00:45:55,417 --> 00:45:57,167
that we had a problem.
816
00:45:57,250 --> 00:45:58,834
It all happened very,
very quickly.
817
00:45:58,918 --> 00:46:01,667
I just have like
flash recollections.
818
00:46:08,709 --> 00:46:12,709
I just remember the car,
faced down on the ground,
819
00:46:12,792 --> 00:46:16,459
in the boot, David was
put in just before me,
820
00:46:16,542 --> 00:46:18,542
and then they couldn't
get the boot shut,
821
00:46:18,626 --> 00:46:22,459
and that's where I saw a guy
on his bicycle, cycle past.
822
00:46:22,542 --> 00:46:25,459
You could see
he was sort of like,
823
00:46:25,542 --> 00:46:28,459
but at the same time
he just cycled continually.
824
00:46:28,542 --> 00:46:31,792
It just happened in a flash.
825
00:46:31,876 --> 00:46:35,667
The next thing you know,
we're speeding away,
very very fast.
826
00:46:40,542 --> 00:46:42,042
Haines:
On my 16th birthday,
827
00:46:42,125 --> 00:46:43,834
I was actually in France
with some friends.
828
00:46:43,918 --> 00:46:46,292
My dad would always
contact me on my birthday,
829
00:46:46,375 --> 00:46:48,584
no matter where he was
and it got later on at night
830
00:46:48,667 --> 00:46:50,417
and I thought,
something's not right
831
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:52,709
and I started to get
a sinking feeling,
832
00:46:52,792 --> 00:46:55,209
so I phoned my mum quite
upset and said to her,
833
00:46:55,292 --> 00:46:57,542
"Look I've got
a really bad feeling.
834
00:46:57,626 --> 00:46:59,584
You need to find
out what's happened."
835
00:46:59,667 --> 00:47:01,667
My head automatically
assumed the worst,
836
00:47:01,751 --> 00:47:03,417
so when she said
he was kidnapped
837
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:05,834
it was actually
a part of a relief
838
00:47:05,918 --> 00:47:08,167
to find out he
hadn't been killed,
839
00:47:08,250 --> 00:47:09,876
but of course your
mind goes everywhere.
840
00:47:09,959 --> 00:47:12,125
I thought why would
someone kidnap someone
841
00:47:12,209 --> 00:47:14,709
who was only there to help.
842
00:47:20,751 --> 00:47:24,209
Walton:
So Emwazi finds a way out
to the new frontier,
843
00:47:24,292 --> 00:47:27,000
to the new global
jihad in Syria,
844
00:47:27,083 --> 00:47:29,167
and very quickly
finds a new mentor,
845
00:47:29,250 --> 00:47:31,209
a Chechen warlord
called Shishani,
846
00:47:31,292 --> 00:47:35,584
who was leading the ground
called K.A.M. within Syria,
847
00:47:35,667 --> 00:47:37,042
and it was really
a breakaway group
848
00:47:37,125 --> 00:47:39,626
from Al-Qaeda
or al-Nusra front.
849
00:47:39,709 --> 00:47:44,709
Verkaik:
Shishani, a man who'd had
war experience in Chechnya,
850
00:47:44,792 --> 00:47:49,375
had developed a brutal
reputation for committing
atrocities,
851
00:47:49,459 --> 00:47:54,876
but who saw in Emwazi someone
who would follow orders
to the letter.
852
00:47:54,959 --> 00:47:57,209
Walton:
Who would carry out
almost any brutal act
853
00:47:57,292 --> 00:47:58,918
if directed to do so,
854
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,834
and Emwazi became quite
well-known and reliable,
855
00:48:01,918 --> 00:48:04,626
if you like, to the leadership
of this new group.
856
00:48:04,709 --> 00:48:08,709
( speaking in foreign language )
857
00:48:15,709 --> 00:48:19,209
Verkaik:
Kata'ib Al Muhajireen had
become slightly fractured,
858
00:48:19,292 --> 00:48:22,125
half the group was
aligned with Al-Qaeda,
859
00:48:22,209 --> 00:48:24,667
and the other half,
led by Shishani,
860
00:48:24,751 --> 00:48:26,667
were more interested
in making links
861
00:48:26,751 --> 00:48:29,876
with the emerging
Islamic State as is now.
862
00:48:29,959 --> 00:48:33,667
And Shishani decided
he would take his group
863
00:48:33,751 --> 00:48:37,542
to join the Islamic State,
and with him...
864
00:48:38,667 --> 00:48:40,292
Mohammed Emwazi followed.
865
00:48:41,751 --> 00:48:43,083
El-Badawy:
Once within Islamic State,
866
00:48:43,167 --> 00:48:44,834
Emwazi and Shishani are led
867
00:48:44,918 --> 00:48:47,751
by the Emir of Aleppo,
Amr al-Absi.
868
00:48:47,834 --> 00:48:49,667
Al-Absi's a seasoned terrorist
869
00:48:49,751 --> 00:48:52,125
and a close confident
of the ISIS leader,
870
00:48:52,209 --> 00:48:53,751
Al Bakr Al-Baghdadi.
871
00:48:55,250 --> 00:48:56,792
Under the guidance of Al-Absi,
872
00:48:56,876 --> 00:48:59,709
Emwazi and Shishani,
along with some UK recruits.
873
00:48:59,792 --> 00:49:03,209
Alexander Kotey, Aine Davis,
and El Shafee El-sheik,
874
00:49:03,292 --> 00:49:06,500
started a mass
hostage-taking campaign
875
00:49:06,584 --> 00:49:08,459
all across Northern Syria.
876
00:49:08,542 --> 00:49:11,459
With that, they captured
hundreds of Syrian prisoners,
877
00:49:11,542 --> 00:49:16,542
but they also captured
a very important group
of western hostages.
878
00:49:16,626 --> 00:49:20,500
The Islamic State emirs felt
that because of his loyalty
879
00:49:20,584 --> 00:49:22,334
and because of his willingness
880
00:49:22,417 --> 00:49:25,584
to carry out acts of
brutality without question,
881
00:49:25,667 --> 00:49:28,167
Emwazi would be
perfect for this,
882
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:30,209
and perhaps they were right.
883
00:49:30,292 --> 00:49:33,209
So, Emwazi,
this career jihadist,
884
00:49:33,292 --> 00:49:34,959
is moved through the ranks.
885
00:49:35,042 --> 00:49:38,000
He graduates effectively,
suddenly with the opportunity
886
00:49:38,083 --> 00:49:41,500
to actually fulfill his dreams
as a proper global jihadi.
887
00:49:51,125 --> 00:49:54,792
Henin:
The faces of most of our
guards, we haven't seen them.
888
00:49:54,876 --> 00:49:57,375
The funny thing is
that we nicknamed them.
889
00:49:57,459 --> 00:49:59,167
It's a kind of
coping mechanism.
890
00:49:59,250 --> 00:50:03,792
There is something you don't
control, you bad guard.
891
00:50:03,834 --> 00:50:07,250
It is the name that
I give to you,
892
00:50:07,334 --> 00:50:09,250
and this you will
never control it.
893
00:50:09,334 --> 00:50:13,417
The most common name that
were known through the media
894
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:16,042
were, of course, The Beatles.
895
00:50:16,125 --> 00:50:17,792
The guys that
we nicknamed The Beatles
896
00:50:17,876 --> 00:50:22,542
were British born,
native British accents.
897
00:50:22,626 --> 00:50:23,918
And they were the first people
898
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,584
that conversed
with us in the car.
899
00:50:28,042 --> 00:50:30,209
When they'd taken
our passports, I think,
900
00:50:30,292 --> 00:50:33,209
the very first thing
was when they said,
901
00:50:33,292 --> 00:50:37,000
"David, welcome to Syria,
you mutt,"
902
00:50:37,083 --> 00:50:39,167
or something like that,
903
00:50:39,250 --> 00:50:40,876
'cause I think they'd
looked through his passport
904
00:50:40,959 --> 00:50:44,417
and then they asked David
if I spoke any English.
905
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:46,709
Interviewer:
So, they actually kidnapped you?
906
00:50:47,834 --> 00:50:48,751
Yep.
907
00:50:51,083 --> 00:50:57,334
And so, they reappeared
and reappeared throughout,
908
00:50:57,417 --> 00:50:59,417
um...
909
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:01,209
that first month.
910
00:51:01,292 --> 00:51:05,834
Henin:
So, the Beatles were obviously
British hostage takers.
911
00:51:05,918 --> 00:51:08,751
We understood that they
probably were friends
912
00:51:08,834 --> 00:51:11,375
even before arriving to Syria
913
00:51:11,459 --> 00:51:14,375
because they were very close.
914
00:51:14,459 --> 00:51:17,000
They were not always together,
915
00:51:17,083 --> 00:51:19,584
but most of the time
at least two of them
916
00:51:19,667 --> 00:51:21,209
would come together.
917
00:51:21,292 --> 00:51:22,584
John was the boss.
918
00:51:22,667 --> 00:51:26,417
He was the one giving
orders to the others.
919
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:30,500
He was the one in charge of
collecting the proofs of lives.
920
00:51:32,751 --> 00:51:35,751
George was the punisher.
921
00:51:35,834 --> 00:51:39,876
He was the most
violent in the group.
922
00:51:42,751 --> 00:51:44,375
I remember his, uh...
923
00:51:45,918 --> 00:51:48,417
fat hands,
924
00:51:48,500 --> 00:51:50,250
and the third one was Ringo.
925
00:51:51,626 --> 00:51:53,751
Ringo was the preacher.
926
00:51:53,834 --> 00:51:55,834
The less violent
of these three.
927
00:51:55,918 --> 00:51:59,542
The one would from time
to time explain to us
928
00:51:59,626 --> 00:52:02,209
why they were doing that.
929
00:52:02,292 --> 00:52:05,459
Emwazi was in control
of what happened.
930
00:52:05,542 --> 00:52:08,792
I mean, he initiated
and allowed a lot
of our punishment,
931
00:52:08,876 --> 00:52:10,918
and he was very much involved.
932
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,500
He also sort of set
the tone for the guards.
933
00:52:14,584 --> 00:52:16,125
They took a lot
of their inspiration
934
00:52:16,209 --> 00:52:19,709
from what they had heard
about places like Abu Ghraib,
935
00:52:19,792 --> 00:52:23,375
and what the coalition forces
in other countries had done.
936
00:52:23,459 --> 00:52:27,959
Guantanamo was referenced
all the time
937
00:52:28,042 --> 00:52:29,626
by Emwazi, in particular.
938
00:52:29,709 --> 00:52:31,417
But the orange materials,
939
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:35,959
at various stages we were
wearing jumpsuits, all of us.
940
00:52:36,042 --> 00:52:38,709
And so things like
stress positions,
941
00:52:38,792 --> 00:52:42,792
and not allowing us to sleep,
just stand up all night.
942
00:52:44,209 --> 00:52:45,626
Things like that.
943
00:52:45,709 --> 00:52:50,584
Some of us received much
more violence than others,
944
00:52:50,667 --> 00:52:55,250
and that was for reasons
that I couldn't understand.
945
00:52:55,334 --> 00:52:58,334
We knew there were
another two captives
946
00:52:58,417 --> 00:52:59,918
in the same location.
947
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,542
You could hear their screams,
and they could hear ours.
948
00:53:02,626 --> 00:53:05,292
And eventually we met them.
949
00:53:05,375 --> 00:53:08,042
It was James Foley
and John Cantlie.
950
00:53:11,042 --> 00:53:13,167
And they put us into
a cell to do a royal rumble.
951
00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:16,709
Basically, get us to
fight against each other.
952
00:53:16,792 --> 00:53:19,500
The cell that
John and James were in,
953
00:53:19,584 --> 00:53:22,542
because the ceiling was so
high at the top it had a latch.
954
00:53:22,626 --> 00:53:27,876
So, they brought us in and
then went up to the top,
955
00:53:27,959 --> 00:53:30,626
and then were like giving
us instructions about,
956
00:53:30,709 --> 00:53:34,000
and they were
watching from above,
957
00:53:34,083 --> 00:53:36,626
and so they had
Dave and me in one corner
958
00:53:36,709 --> 00:53:40,292
and John and James in the other
and they wanted us to fight,
959
00:53:40,375 --> 00:53:41,459
and, like...
960
00:53:42,876 --> 00:53:45,083
we obviously weren't
gonna fight each other,
961
00:53:45,167 --> 00:53:46,792
but you kinda
couldn't not fight.
962
00:53:46,876 --> 00:53:49,042
I mean there was
potential for punishment.
963
00:53:49,125 --> 00:53:51,334
I remember we sort of went
through the motions initially,
964
00:53:51,417 --> 00:53:54,083
realized we couldn't
'cause they were saying
if you don't start,
965
00:53:54,167 --> 00:53:58,584
you know, and you have to,
we were like skeletons by then.
966
00:53:58,667 --> 00:54:02,542
I think every one of us
fainted at some stage or another
967
00:54:02,626 --> 00:54:04,751
just from exhaustion.
968
00:54:04,834 --> 00:54:07,584
So, we weren't exactly
hurting each other.
969
00:54:07,667 --> 00:54:09,918
But, they found it
highly entertaining.
970
00:54:22,751 --> 00:54:26,667
( speaking in foreign language )
971
00:54:40,375 --> 00:54:43,709
Petraeus:
Baghdadi has this
extraordinary vision.
972
00:54:43,792 --> 00:54:48,709
He clearly has very impressive
organizational skills,
973
00:54:48,792 --> 00:54:50,959
however twisted the ideology,
974
00:54:51,042 --> 00:54:53,959
however twisted
the interpretation of Islam,
975
00:54:54,042 --> 00:54:56,042
however extreme the actions,
976
00:54:56,125 --> 00:54:59,042
but he does something
truly extraordinary.
977
00:54:59,125 --> 00:55:02,542
Man:
In 2014 we saw the
Declaration of the Caliphate.
978
00:55:02,626 --> 00:55:04,876
It was directed to
idealistic people,
979
00:55:04,959 --> 00:55:07,584
who wanted to live
in the perfect state,
980
00:55:07,667 --> 00:55:10,083
and who had learnt
since their childhood
981
00:55:10,167 --> 00:55:12,792
about this wonderful
idea of the caliphate,
982
00:55:12,876 --> 00:55:16,209
which a lot of Muslims
very much cherish,
983
00:55:16,292 --> 00:55:17,542
including Muslims
who would not have
984
00:55:17,626 --> 00:55:20,876
the slightest sympathy
with the likes of ISIS.
985
00:55:20,959 --> 00:55:23,250
It was a bit of a chicken
or an egg situation for ISIS.
986
00:55:23,334 --> 00:55:26,459
It was establish the caliphate
and then figure out a way
987
00:55:26,542 --> 00:55:28,334
of making it work later on.
988
00:55:28,417 --> 00:55:30,626
Announce it to the world
and you would get attention
989
00:55:30,709 --> 00:55:31,918
and people would flock.
990
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,209
( speaking in foreign language )
991
00:55:45,667 --> 00:55:47,083
I think it's like grooming,
992
00:55:47,167 --> 00:55:50,292
and even worse than that,
because they are promising them,
993
00:55:50,375 --> 00:55:52,626
and to the group,
this is not us,
994
00:55:52,709 --> 00:55:54,792
we are just passing
the message of god.
995
00:55:55,918 --> 00:55:57,959
This is an order from god.
996
00:55:58,042 --> 00:56:01,083
Here is the Koranic verse
telling you that you should go,
997
00:56:01,167 --> 00:56:03,500
you should migrate
to the caliphate.
998
00:56:03,584 --> 00:56:06,083
You should leave the land
of the Kuffr, which is Britain,
999
00:56:06,167 --> 00:56:07,792
and go to the caliphate.
1000
00:56:07,876 --> 00:56:12,876
Propaganda was very well
targeted to individual groups.
1001
00:56:12,959 --> 00:56:16,167
They'd be different
videos for Australians,
1002
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:18,250
for people in the Philippines,
1003
00:56:18,334 --> 00:56:21,500
for people who had
specific interests.
1004
00:56:21,584 --> 00:56:24,709
Videos for young girls,
videos for young boys.
1005
00:56:24,792 --> 00:56:26,626
Some would be very
violent and horrifying,
1006
00:56:26,709 --> 00:56:30,459
some would have nothing,
but soft focus pictures
1007
00:56:30,542 --> 00:56:32,792
of the golden corn being reaped
1008
00:56:32,876 --> 00:56:36,417
and the beautiful fish being
brought in on the fishing boat.
1009
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:39,542
El-Badawy:
The videos are there
to make them actually
1010
00:56:39,626 --> 00:56:40,918
feel some positive emotion.
1011
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,083
So for example,
getting them to feel
1012
00:56:43,167 --> 00:56:45,250
that there's
a sense of solidarity
1013
00:56:45,334 --> 00:56:49,667
amongst the ranks of ISIS,
and that brotherly comradeship.
1014
00:56:49,751 --> 00:56:53,584
And all of this gives
the audience an impression
1015
00:56:53,667 --> 00:56:57,500
that this is
the non-trivial world.
1016
00:56:57,584 --> 00:57:01,459
That in living with ISIS,
you will actually start
1017
00:57:01,542 --> 00:57:03,500
to feel a sense of purpose.
1018
00:57:03,584 --> 00:57:05,667
It is not just
about killing people,
1019
00:57:05,751 --> 00:57:07,459
but there's a wider cause
1020
00:57:07,542 --> 00:57:09,751
that you're sacrificing
your life for.
1021
00:57:09,834 --> 00:57:14,667
Anderson:
That, in a way, was one of
ISIS' unique selling points.
1022
00:57:14,751 --> 00:57:17,667
They had as they would
put it a country to sell,
1023
00:57:17,751 --> 00:57:20,459
and they were able to
present it as a country
1024
00:57:20,542 --> 00:57:21,918
where you might want to live.
1025
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,459
You would look at
some of it and think,
1026
00:57:23,542 --> 00:57:25,292
well, I'd like to go
and live there.
1027
00:57:25,375 --> 00:57:28,500
If you believed it, you would
want to go and live there.
1028
00:57:28,584 --> 00:57:30,417
And so many people,
particularly young people,
1029
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:34,167
went out there on
the basis of that dream
1030
00:57:34,250 --> 00:57:37,209
that the propagandists
had put together.
1031
00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:45,834
Motka:
There was a lot of
talk around the fact
1032
00:57:45,918 --> 00:57:47,542
that there was
an Islamic State now,
1033
00:57:47,626 --> 00:57:49,626
that we were
prisoners of a state,
1034
00:57:49,709 --> 00:57:52,209
therefore, there were rules.
1035
00:57:52,292 --> 00:57:56,334
Henin:
I spent a couple of weeks
in a cell on my own,
1036
00:57:56,417 --> 00:57:58,459
and then at the end
of the year,
1037
00:57:58,542 --> 00:58:03,000
we are 19 men in the same cell.
1038
00:58:03,083 --> 00:58:04,667
Being in a group is hard too.
1039
00:58:04,751 --> 00:58:08,375
I mean you're whatever number
of grown men in a tiny room,
1040
00:58:08,459 --> 00:58:12,667
foot-to-toe
in terms of how you sleep,
1041
00:58:12,751 --> 00:58:14,000
right next to each other.
1042
00:58:14,083 --> 00:58:15,334
For a couple of months,
1043
00:58:15,417 --> 00:58:18,459
the Beatles were not
violent with us.
1044
00:58:18,542 --> 00:58:21,042
It was more
like an enterprise,
1045
00:58:21,125 --> 00:58:23,709
so you don't damage
the merchandise.
1046
00:58:23,792 --> 00:58:26,042
Some of the proofs
of lives were obtained
1047
00:58:26,125 --> 00:58:27,751
in a neighboring room.
1048
00:58:27,834 --> 00:58:31,751
Jihadi John would then be
the one directing the filming.
1049
00:58:31,834 --> 00:58:34,125
So he would give us
the instructions.
1050
00:58:34,209 --> 00:58:37,167
"Okay, you arrive this side,
you say that,
1051
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:39,042
and then you stand up
and leave the frame."
1052
00:58:39,125 --> 00:58:42,167
And... he would stand
next to the camera,
1053
00:58:42,250 --> 00:58:45,792
and there would be another
Beatle behind the camera...
1054
00:58:46,834 --> 00:58:48,709
just pressing the button.
1055
00:58:53,042 --> 00:58:54,876
News reporter:
There have also been
fresh clashes
1056
00:58:54,959 --> 00:58:57,459
in the rebel enclave of
Aleppo, Syria's second city,
1057
00:58:57,542 --> 00:58:59,918
and once its commercial heart.
1058
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,834
( tanks firing )
1059
00:59:02,918 --> 00:59:05,334
El-Badawy:
As ISIS begin to
lose control of Aleppo,
1060
00:59:05,417 --> 00:59:08,459
Al-Absi, Emwazi,
and his fellow Beatles flee
1061
00:59:08,542 --> 00:59:11,709
to the safety of the state's
de facto capital, Raqqa.
1062
00:59:13,083 --> 00:59:16,125
Before fleeing,
they kill around 300
1063
00:59:16,209 --> 00:59:17,959
of the Syrian prisoners,
1064
00:59:18,042 --> 00:59:19,375
but they keep hold of
their precious cargo
1065
00:59:19,459 --> 00:59:20,459
of Western hostages.
1066
00:59:22,250 --> 00:59:24,584
Once they're in Raqqa,
Baghdadi appoints Al-Absi
1067
00:59:24,667 --> 00:59:27,584
to oversee the state's
media department.
1068
00:59:27,667 --> 00:59:29,334
This position gives
Al-Absi and his cell,
1069
00:59:29,417 --> 00:59:31,667
which includes Emwazi,
1070
00:59:31,751 --> 00:59:33,626
ample opportunity to reek havoc
1071
00:59:33,709 --> 00:59:35,751
using the hostages that remain.
1072
00:59:35,834 --> 00:59:40,125
( speaking in foreign language )
1073
00:59:48,083 --> 00:59:50,459
Man:
I appeal to the people
who have Jim
1074
00:59:50,542 --> 00:59:52,375
to give us some information
1075
00:59:52,459 --> 00:59:55,000
in terms of his welfare,
his health.
1076
00:59:55,083 --> 00:59:59,834
I tried very hard
to remind our government
1077
00:59:59,918 --> 01:00:05,250
that Jim was alive, but we
really didn't receive much help.
1078
01:00:05,334 --> 01:00:08,083
We received an email
from his captors,
1079
01:00:08,167 --> 01:00:12,000
they asked for
proof-of-life questions,
1080
01:00:12,083 --> 01:00:15,834
so they could assure
us they had Jim,
1081
01:00:15,918 --> 01:00:18,792
and we were very excited
to hear from them.
1082
01:00:18,876 --> 01:00:20,626
I mean of course there
was the proofs of life
1083
01:00:20,709 --> 01:00:22,834
where like the one
thing that sort of said
1084
01:00:22,918 --> 01:00:26,834
there's obviously
something going on.
1085
01:00:26,918 --> 01:00:31,876
I mean, we all were aware of
various government positions
on this issue.
1086
01:00:31,959 --> 01:00:35,209
Well, we don't negotiate
with terrorists or pay ransoms
1087
01:00:35,292 --> 01:00:38,042
or pursue those
kinds of activities
1088
01:00:38,125 --> 01:00:40,709
because it just
begets more terrorism,
1089
01:00:40,792 --> 01:00:42,542
it encourages more actions.
1090
01:00:42,626 --> 01:00:46,417
But of course, it's a very
difficult policy to explain
1091
01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:50,000
to the loved ones of someone
who has been kidnapped
1092
01:00:50,083 --> 01:00:52,709
and of course
the overall policy objective,
1093
01:00:52,792 --> 01:00:55,417
I think even they
can understand why,
1094
01:00:55,500 --> 01:00:58,334
but of course they want
an exception in their case.
1095
01:00:58,417 --> 01:01:01,500
We were back and forth on
email for about a month
1096
01:01:01,584 --> 01:01:05,250
and then they cut off all
communication after that.
1097
01:01:05,334 --> 01:01:09,250
So it was kind of a tease,
if you will.
1098
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,626
Motka:
Dave and I always believed that
1099
01:01:12,709 --> 01:01:15,417
because we were taken together,
there was a good chance
1100
01:01:15,500 --> 01:01:17,918
that we would be
negotiated for together.
1101
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,334
I genuinely believed
that there was an option
1102
01:01:20,417 --> 01:01:23,125
and then the moment
that you realized...
1103
01:01:25,167 --> 01:01:28,000
that I realized,
through that sort of
1104
01:01:28,083 --> 01:01:30,667
final proof-of-life process...
1105
01:01:31,834 --> 01:01:33,584
that this was only for me.
1106
01:01:35,959 --> 01:01:41,709
It was probably one
of the most bittersweet...
1107
01:01:43,042 --> 01:01:47,751
um... emotions
I think I've ever had.
1108
01:01:47,834 --> 01:01:50,209
When they eventually came
to the room and said,
1109
01:01:50,292 --> 01:01:54,459
"Okay, the four French here,
come and we were blindfold,
1110
01:01:54,542 --> 01:01:57,459
handcuffs,
and we take you out."
1111
01:01:57,542 --> 01:02:02,250
It was like, I just had time
to say well goodbye everybody.
1112
01:02:02,334 --> 01:02:06,417
We had no time for
big hugs or whatever.
1113
01:02:06,500 --> 01:02:09,375
For some reason the day
that I was picked up,
1114
01:02:09,459 --> 01:02:12,125
the Beatles were
super aggressive.
1115
01:02:12,209 --> 01:02:14,792
They pulled me into
the center, then they tried to,
1116
01:02:14,876 --> 01:02:18,042
they gave me a beating,
but then they took it out
1117
01:02:18,125 --> 01:02:20,876
on everyone around as well.
1118
01:02:20,959 --> 01:02:24,334
And just before they put
the blanket over my head,
1119
01:02:24,417 --> 01:02:28,876
they made me go back to
the door, and sort of say...
1120
01:02:28,959 --> 01:02:33,500
"and say goodbye
to your friends,"
or something like that.
1121
01:02:33,584 --> 01:02:36,667
Henin:
Normally when you
are taken hostage,
1122
01:02:36,751 --> 01:02:39,459
once you are released
you are free.
1123
01:02:39,542 --> 01:02:43,375
But in our case,
when were released,
1124
01:02:43,459 --> 01:02:46,417
we left 15 pals behind us.
1125
01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:51,500
You know these guys aren't
just people or friends,
1126
01:02:51,584 --> 01:02:54,000
they're brothers.
1127
01:02:54,083 --> 01:02:56,250
And I think I spent more
time sleeping next to David
1128
01:02:56,334 --> 01:03:00,083
than any girl at
that point in my life.
1129
01:03:00,167 --> 01:03:04,167
( helicopter blades whirling )
1130
01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:07,459
( applauding )
1131
01:03:07,542 --> 01:03:11,042
Foley:
We were very hopeful
when the Spanish hostages
1132
01:03:11,125 --> 01:03:13,042
were released in February.
1133
01:03:13,125 --> 01:03:16,000
Shortly thereafter,
the French were released,
1134
01:03:16,083 --> 01:03:18,417
and so we were
incredibly hopeful.
1135
01:03:18,500 --> 01:03:21,209
They told us that Jim
was alive and well,
1136
01:03:21,292 --> 01:03:24,751
and strong,
and were very encouraging.
1137
01:03:24,834 --> 01:03:31,083
And I actually returned
to France in July of 2014,
1138
01:03:31,167 --> 01:03:34,209
hoping to get some
help from France.
1139
01:03:34,292 --> 01:03:35,709
It was while I was in Paris
1140
01:03:35,792 --> 01:03:39,000
that we received
the threatening email.
1141
01:03:39,083 --> 01:03:40,751
Threatening to kill Jim.
1142
01:03:40,834 --> 01:03:43,500
I was hopeful they
were back in touch,
1143
01:03:43,584 --> 01:03:46,459
but again I was very naive.
1144
01:03:46,542 --> 01:03:49,667
I don't know if they
ever desired to negotiate.
1145
01:03:49,751 --> 01:03:51,167
It's hard to know...
1146
01:03:52,417 --> 01:03:54,459
but certainly
not at that hour...
1147
01:03:54,542 --> 01:03:55,918
they weren't.
1148
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,500
I think they had come to realize
1149
01:03:57,584 --> 01:04:01,417
that Jim was worth
more as propaganda.
1150
01:04:10,709 --> 01:04:12,792
I call on my friends,
family and loved ones
1151
01:04:12,876 --> 01:04:16,125
to rise up against my real
killers, the U.S. government.
1152
01:04:22,542 --> 01:04:25,000
I was totally unaware of it
1153
01:04:25,083 --> 01:04:28,459
until an AP reporter
1154
01:04:28,542 --> 01:04:30,542
called me sobbing...
1155
01:04:32,209 --> 01:04:36,542
and I couldn't even understand
what she was crying about,
1156
01:04:36,626 --> 01:04:39,709
and she told me
to look on Twitter.
1157
01:04:41,542 --> 01:04:44,459
So that's when I saw the image
1158
01:04:44,542 --> 01:04:46,209
and...
1159
01:04:47,626 --> 01:04:49,459
I knew it was Jim...
1160
01:04:49,542 --> 01:04:52,459
and...
that's how I found out.
1161
01:04:52,542 --> 01:04:55,375
I didn't know if
it was authentic,
1162
01:04:55,459 --> 01:04:59,584
and so I reached out
to our FBI agent,
1163
01:04:59,667 --> 01:05:02,626
but really didn't hear
back from anybody.
1164
01:05:04,209 --> 01:05:06,667
So, I didn't know if it was true
1165
01:05:06,751 --> 01:05:12,167
until the president announced
it that evening on TV.
1166
01:05:15,626 --> 01:05:19,125
So it was... you know...
1167
01:05:20,167 --> 01:05:21,709
it was, um...
1168
01:05:23,584 --> 01:05:24,626
it was awful.
1169
01:05:25,709 --> 01:05:27,959
It was really very difficult.
1170
01:05:31,876 --> 01:05:35,417
The last time I
saw James and David
1171
01:05:35,500 --> 01:05:39,209
and a lot of the others was
when the videos came out.
1172
01:05:40,667 --> 01:05:44,959
And then the message
to America, it was, it said...
1173
01:05:45,042 --> 01:05:48,751
I don't like to use their words.
1174
01:05:48,834 --> 01:05:52,459
I like to, uh, be, uh...
1175
01:05:52,542 --> 01:05:55,334
precise and factual.
1176
01:05:55,417 --> 01:05:58,500
That was a...
1177
01:05:58,584 --> 01:06:00,292
filmed murder.
1178
01:06:00,375 --> 01:06:01,459
That's it.
1179
01:06:06,334 --> 01:06:07,834
Of an innocent journalist.
1180
01:06:11,584 --> 01:06:12,792
Of a hostage.
1181
01:06:16,083 --> 01:06:17,250
But, um...
1182
01:06:20,292 --> 01:06:21,334
Yeah.
1183
01:06:25,542 --> 01:06:26,500
I would say...
1184
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:29,876
we were told...
1185
01:06:32,667 --> 01:06:35,209
and then once the
first one came out,
1186
01:06:35,292 --> 01:06:37,459
sort of...
1187
01:06:37,542 --> 01:06:40,042
there was the threat
of the second, the next.
1188
01:06:52,626 --> 01:06:55,709
So then after that
you know, it's just...
1189
01:06:57,375 --> 01:06:58,417
will it, won't it,
1190
01:06:58,500 --> 01:07:00,083
and then the second...
1191
01:07:02,792 --> 01:07:04,500
and, yeah, it was just...
1192
01:07:07,792 --> 01:07:12,709
Henin:
David was a very complex
and interesting character.
1193
01:07:12,792 --> 01:07:14,542
Very smart.
1194
01:07:16,375 --> 01:07:19,542
Very good at
understanding people.
1195
01:07:20,751 --> 01:07:22,375
Very supportive, also.
1196
01:07:22,459 --> 01:07:25,834
Motka:
Generally, we were all
very close as a group,
1197
01:07:25,918 --> 01:07:29,792
but of course everyone
has maybe one individual
1198
01:07:29,876 --> 01:07:31,667
that they would turn to...
1199
01:07:34,250 --> 01:07:36,417
and for me that was Dave.
1200
01:07:37,918 --> 01:07:40,626
Um... you know he, he...
1201
01:07:45,667 --> 01:07:47,209
I hope I was of...
1202
01:07:50,250 --> 01:07:51,751
of help to him.
1203
01:07:51,834 --> 01:07:52,959
Um...
1204
01:07:54,209 --> 01:07:58,209
But, I know, I think I was...
1205
01:07:58,292 --> 01:07:59,667
able to sort of
1206
01:07:59,751 --> 01:08:02,918
give what I could, and I
think everyone did the same.
1207
01:08:10,834 --> 01:08:13,626
( sirens whirling )
1208
01:08:18,500 --> 01:08:21,167
Haines:
I had been at my boyfriend's
house that night,
1209
01:08:21,250 --> 01:08:23,334
and he lives
in the middle of nowhere,
1210
01:08:23,417 --> 01:08:25,542
next thing I know there's
a knock at the door
1211
01:08:25,626 --> 01:08:28,375
and all I can remember is
seeing the blue flashing lights
1212
01:08:28,459 --> 01:08:29,792
reflected in the window.
1213
01:08:29,876 --> 01:08:31,000
I still didn't click on.
1214
01:08:31,083 --> 01:08:32,667
I thought I had done
something wrong.
1215
01:08:32,751 --> 01:08:34,584
I was terrified, thinking
what am I going to tell my mum
1216
01:08:34,667 --> 01:08:36,459
when I'm in the back
of a police car.
1217
01:08:36,542 --> 01:08:39,667
And then I heard her voice,
and my boyfriend said,
1218
01:08:39,751 --> 01:08:40,876
"Is it her dad?"
1219
01:08:40,959 --> 01:08:42,167
My mum said yeah.
1220
01:08:43,375 --> 01:08:45,250
And I remember
deliberately taking ages
1221
01:08:45,334 --> 01:08:46,667
to come out of the room
1222
01:08:46,751 --> 01:08:48,000
'cause I knew what
was going to come,
1223
01:08:48,083 --> 01:08:49,584
and I just didn't
want to hear it,
1224
01:08:49,667 --> 01:08:53,500
and my mum had said to me
a video had been released.
1225
01:08:53,584 --> 01:08:55,000
"It's of your dad."
1226
01:08:55,083 --> 01:08:58,375
And that was
the moment that I found out
1227
01:08:58,459 --> 01:09:01,125
that my dad certainly
wouldn't be coming home.
1228
01:09:10,250 --> 01:09:12,167
My name is
David Cawthorne Haines.
1229
01:09:21,083 --> 01:09:22,876
Haines:
It took me months
to be able to cry.
1230
01:09:22,959 --> 01:09:25,751
I didn't feel any
kind of sadness.
1231
01:09:25,834 --> 01:09:27,292
It was anger...
1232
01:09:28,834 --> 01:09:30,083
and then there was also hope.
1233
01:09:30,167 --> 01:09:32,584
Hope that the others
would get out,
1234
01:09:32,667 --> 01:09:35,250
such as Alan Henning,
Peter Kassig.
1235
01:09:35,334 --> 01:09:38,125
We all prayed and hoped
that they would get out.
1236
01:09:38,209 --> 01:09:41,584
Walton:
So there was public pressure
to name this individual,
1237
01:09:41,667 --> 01:09:44,417
but we knew that if
we were to name Emwazi,
1238
01:09:44,500 --> 01:09:48,500
there was a high risk that
he would conduct more murders
1239
01:09:48,584 --> 01:09:50,626
and more beheadings of hostages.
1240
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:52,375
In James Foley's video,
1241
01:09:52,459 --> 01:09:54,709
obviously Steven Sotloff
was featured at the end.
1242
01:09:54,792 --> 01:09:57,250
Emwazi:
The life of this
American citizen, Obama,
1243
01:09:57,334 --> 01:09:59,209
depends on your next decision.
1244
01:09:59,292 --> 01:10:00,500
And then the next video,
it's my dad,
1245
01:10:00,584 --> 01:10:02,417
and the one after it was Alan.
1246
01:10:02,500 --> 01:10:04,250
Emwazi:
If you, Cameron, persist
1247
01:10:04,334 --> 01:10:05,667
in fighting the Islamic State,
1248
01:10:05,751 --> 01:10:07,709
then you,
like your master Obama,
1249
01:10:07,792 --> 01:10:10,876
will have the blood
of your people on your hands.
1250
01:10:10,959 --> 01:10:15,292
At the time that Jihadi John
had killed his third hostage,
1251
01:10:15,375 --> 01:10:17,542
all you're able to see then,
is that this is the third,
1252
01:10:17,626 --> 01:10:20,125
and how many more of these
are there going to be?
1253
01:10:20,209 --> 01:10:23,083
What terrorists want above all
is a reaction,
1254
01:10:23,167 --> 01:10:27,959
and ISIS, and in particular
Jihadi John and his mates,
1255
01:10:28,042 --> 01:10:30,876
spent the summer
of 2014 seeking a reaction.
1256
01:10:30,959 --> 01:10:34,292
You had this sequence of
increasingly grisly videos.
1257
01:10:34,375 --> 01:10:37,542
They were very,
very skillful propaganda.
1258
01:10:37,626 --> 01:10:42,667
They recreated the medieval
barbarity of the 7th century
1259
01:10:42,751 --> 01:10:44,417
with these great
bladed weapons,
1260
01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:47,417
the beheadings, it was all
on the sands of the desert
1261
01:10:47,500 --> 01:10:50,459
and the world's media
I am afraid fell for it.
1262
01:10:50,542 --> 01:10:52,959
And of course, with
the level of interest
1263
01:10:53,042 --> 01:10:54,417
and the level of coverage,
1264
01:10:54,500 --> 01:10:56,959
the level of fear
went up as well.
1265
01:10:57,042 --> 01:10:59,000
Images were released
showing the beheading
1266
01:10:59,083 --> 01:11:01,000
of American journalist
James Foley.
1267
01:11:01,083 --> 01:11:03,125
Today the entire
world is appalled.
1268
01:11:03,209 --> 01:11:04,667
It is an act of murder.
1269
01:11:04,751 --> 01:11:07,209
The video is too
graphic for us to show.
1270
01:11:07,292 --> 01:11:11,542
And it also speaks
to how barbaric
1271
01:11:11,626 --> 01:11:12,876
and gruesome this can all be.
1272
01:11:12,959 --> 01:11:15,000
Reporter:
All eyes are on his eyes.
1273
01:11:15,083 --> 01:11:17,876
Again speaking in English
with a British accent.
1274
01:11:18,876 --> 01:11:22,042
I recognized John, for sure.
1275
01:11:24,042 --> 01:11:25,709
The John I met there,
1276
01:11:25,792 --> 01:11:27,626
( mumbles )
1277
01:11:27,709 --> 01:11:30,459
I recognized his voice.
1278
01:11:30,542 --> 01:11:34,459
I recognize his style.
1279
01:11:34,542 --> 01:11:36,292
People across this country
1280
01:11:36,375 --> 01:11:38,584
would have been
sickened by the fact
1281
01:11:38,667 --> 01:11:41,584
that it could have
been a British citizen,
1282
01:11:41,667 --> 01:11:44,626
a British citizen
who could have carried out
1283
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:47,042
this unspeakable act.
1284
01:11:47,125 --> 01:11:48,542
Somebody must have decided
1285
01:11:48,626 --> 01:11:51,709
that allowing Emwazi
who was relatively junior,
1286
01:11:51,792 --> 01:11:56,292
to be filmed executing hostages
1287
01:11:56,375 --> 01:11:59,375
was going to be a good
and powerful idea.
1288
01:11:59,459 --> 01:12:02,792
And if you look at
Emwazi as an adversary,
1289
01:12:02,876 --> 01:12:07,542
he certainly wasn't a glorious
battlefield commander,
1290
01:12:07,626 --> 01:12:09,209
he wasn't that.
1291
01:12:09,292 --> 01:12:14,417
He wasn't high in the ISIS
hierarchy such as it was,
1292
01:12:14,500 --> 01:12:16,167
but he was a powerful
1293
01:12:16,250 --> 01:12:20,375
and credible adversary
nonetheless.
1294
01:12:20,459 --> 01:12:21,500
Why?
1295
01:12:22,751 --> 01:12:24,417
He was from us.
1296
01:12:24,500 --> 01:12:26,667
He was of us.
1297
01:12:26,751 --> 01:12:29,626
And so, he knew us
instinctively.
1298
01:12:34,167 --> 01:12:36,500
Emwazi:
The blood of David Haines
is on your hands Cameron.
1299
01:12:36,584 --> 01:12:39,083
Alan Henning
will also be slaughtered,
1300
01:12:39,167 --> 01:12:42,083
but his blood is on the hand
of the British parliament.
1301
01:12:48,834 --> 01:12:51,459
With each video
there was a sense
1302
01:12:51,542 --> 01:12:54,209
of this is getting
slightly out of control.
1303
01:12:54,292 --> 01:12:57,792
How is it that we're losing
the power dynamic here?
1304
01:12:57,876 --> 01:13:01,459
Verkaik:
This is Emwazi telling
the world about not just
1305
01:13:01,542 --> 01:13:05,667
what the Islamic State
think of America and Britain,
1306
01:13:05,751 --> 01:13:07,876
this is Mohammed Emwazi
telling the world
1307
01:13:07,959 --> 01:13:11,167
what he thinks
about Britain and America.
1308
01:13:11,250 --> 01:13:13,876
This is his very
own personal message,
1309
01:13:13,959 --> 01:13:19,167
and the venomous tone
and the snarling attacks
1310
01:13:19,250 --> 01:13:24,626
on Obama and Cameron, I think,
are very much Mohammed Emwazi.
1311
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:26,584
( Mohammed Emwazi speaking )
1312
01:13:34,375 --> 01:13:35,918
Emwazi:
I'm back, Obama,
1313
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,792
and I'm back because of
your arrogant foreign policy
1314
01:13:37,876 --> 01:13:40,125
towards the Islamic State.
1315
01:13:40,209 --> 01:13:43,250
And politicians will
always want to try and present
1316
01:13:43,334 --> 01:13:45,709
the situation
as one of being in control,
1317
01:13:45,792 --> 01:13:47,834
but we clearly
weren't in control.
1318
01:13:47,918 --> 01:13:50,834
Man:
I think those awful images
cut right through
1319
01:13:50,918 --> 01:13:53,584
to the American public
in the relative sanctuary
1320
01:13:53,667 --> 01:13:56,125
we felt emotionally before 9/11,
1321
01:13:56,209 --> 01:13:57,834
and then we had 9/11
and it was like,
1322
01:13:57,918 --> 01:14:02,250
oh, this was such a shock,
and then the war in Afghanistan,
1323
01:14:02,334 --> 01:14:04,292
and then Iraq.
1324
01:14:04,375 --> 01:14:05,876
So you have a war-weary
American public,
1325
01:14:05,959 --> 01:14:09,292
and then this horrific scene
of an American man murdered
1326
01:14:09,375 --> 01:14:12,459
for the world to see,
so I think it really
had America
1327
01:14:12,542 --> 01:14:15,500
torn about what to go do.
1328
01:14:15,584 --> 01:14:20,417
If you threaten America,
you will find no safe haven.
1329
01:14:20,500 --> 01:14:21,918
The next ISIS video comes out,
1330
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,667
the next ISIS
beheading comes out.
1331
01:14:23,751 --> 01:14:25,125
Jihadi John's on TV again.
1332
01:14:25,209 --> 01:14:27,542
"Bakr Al Baghdadi said this."
1333
01:14:27,626 --> 01:14:28,876
You know all these...
1334
01:14:28,959 --> 01:14:31,584
So there was just this
wave of information.
1335
01:14:31,667 --> 01:14:33,042
It seemed like we were losing.
1336
01:14:33,125 --> 01:14:36,334
Now I tell you we never
were losing in my mind,
1337
01:14:36,417 --> 01:14:38,417
but it sure did seem
that way at a few points.
1338
01:14:38,500 --> 01:14:40,250
Civil society will be
asking its government,
1339
01:14:40,334 --> 01:14:43,792
well why is this happening
and why can't you stop it,
1340
01:14:43,876 --> 01:14:45,667
and what does it mean
for our relationships
1341
01:14:45,751 --> 01:14:48,083
with our fellow citizens
of different faiths.
1342
01:14:48,167 --> 01:14:50,334
So whatever the substance
of these issues,
1343
01:14:50,417 --> 01:14:53,000
this is just one man
doing brutal things
1344
01:14:53,083 --> 01:14:54,375
in another part of the world.
1345
01:14:54,459 --> 01:14:58,083
The effect on politics
and society is profound.
1346
01:14:58,167 --> 01:15:00,459
Hannigan:
The prime minister
made it very clear
1347
01:15:00,542 --> 01:15:03,459
that we had a responsibility
to these British citizens.
1348
01:15:03,542 --> 01:15:05,709
He took it as a high priority
1349
01:15:05,792 --> 01:15:07,709
and instructed us to take
it as a high priority.
1350
01:15:12,209 --> 01:15:18,334
For us at GCHQ,
this was a largely desk
screen-based campaign.
1351
01:15:18,417 --> 01:15:21,125
In Afghanistan we
could climb up towers
1352
01:15:21,209 --> 01:15:23,083
and do all the things we
need to do on the ground.
1353
01:15:23,167 --> 01:15:24,918
None of that was
possible in Raqqa.
1354
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,792
If you looked at
a picture of Raqqa,
1355
01:15:27,876 --> 01:15:30,751
you would see these
little V-Sat terminals,
1356
01:15:30,834 --> 01:15:32,876
so these little satellite
dishes all over the roofs.
1357
01:15:32,959 --> 01:15:36,709
And they were connecting direct
to the internet in practice,
1358
01:15:36,792 --> 01:15:39,334
and that's the way that
people were communicating.
1359
01:15:39,417 --> 01:15:44,000
They were not using telephone
company, GSM networks,
because they didn't trust them.
1360
01:15:44,083 --> 01:15:46,334
Warren:
Mohammed Emwazi, look,
he'd been reading the newspaper
1361
01:15:46,417 --> 01:15:47,959
and watching TV just
like the rest of us.
1362
01:15:48,042 --> 01:15:51,459
He knows that we're
coming after him.
1363
01:15:51,542 --> 01:15:55,792
He went to great lengths
to prevent being captured.
1364
01:15:57,918 --> 01:15:59,125
He was an interesting case
1365
01:15:59,209 --> 01:16:02,083
because he had studied
computer science
1366
01:16:02,167 --> 01:16:04,334
and he had been
in the IT business.
1367
01:16:04,417 --> 01:16:06,042
He had clearly
taught himself a lot.
1368
01:16:06,125 --> 01:16:07,959
He understood, therefore,
the best way
1369
01:16:08,042 --> 01:16:11,417
to avoid surveillance
and was good at it.
1370
01:16:12,959 --> 01:16:16,042
He communicated very rarely,
and when he did,
1371
01:16:16,125 --> 01:16:17,959
mostly around the hostages,
1372
01:16:18,042 --> 01:16:22,834
he used a whole series of
commercially available products
1373
01:16:22,918 --> 01:16:27,334
to obscure his identity,
including very strong
encryption,
1374
01:16:27,417 --> 01:16:29,709
and including
virtual private networks.
1375
01:16:29,792 --> 01:16:32,334
Any one of those products
would be very, very difficult
1376
01:16:32,417 --> 01:16:33,959
for an agency to tackle.
1377
01:16:34,042 --> 01:16:36,542
What he was doing was layering
them on top of each other.
1378
01:16:36,626 --> 01:16:40,834
Any agency's ambition,
if they can find the machine
1379
01:16:40,918 --> 01:16:43,918
that a terrorist is using,
is to put something on to it
1380
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,542
which will stay there
and communicate back
1381
01:16:46,626 --> 01:16:48,209
what that person is doing.
1382
01:16:48,292 --> 01:16:52,250
What Emwazi was able
to do was to ensure
1383
01:16:52,334 --> 01:16:54,334
that every time he
switched off his machine
1384
01:16:54,417 --> 01:16:57,500
it was wiped of
anything and everything,
1385
01:16:57,584 --> 01:16:59,792
and that made it
extremely difficult
1386
01:16:59,876 --> 01:17:02,459
and very, very time consuming
to do anything really
1387
01:17:02,542 --> 01:17:04,459
with his communications.
1388
01:17:04,542 --> 01:17:06,459
It's never straightforward
1389
01:17:06,542 --> 01:17:09,375
and it can take a very,
very long time
1390
01:17:09,459 --> 01:17:12,292
and in this case, of course,
it did take a long time.
1391
01:17:15,918 --> 01:17:20,209
Obama, you have started your
aerial bombardment in Sham,
1392
01:17:20,292 --> 01:17:22,167
which keeps on
striking our people.
1393
01:17:22,250 --> 01:17:23,876
So it's only right we continue
1394
01:17:23,959 --> 01:17:26,209
to strike the necks
of your people.
1395
01:17:31,167 --> 01:17:32,834
Warren:
Every single time he
would do something,
1396
01:17:32,918 --> 01:17:35,709
we would see a significant
spike in social media activity
1397
01:17:35,792 --> 01:17:38,083
surrounding ISIS.
1398
01:17:38,167 --> 01:17:39,626
We would see a significant spike
1399
01:17:39,709 --> 01:17:42,167
in recruiting success for ISIS.
1400
01:17:42,250 --> 01:17:43,834
Know that you can't
fight any of those things
1401
01:17:43,918 --> 01:17:45,584
with bombs and bullets.
1402
01:17:45,667 --> 01:17:48,042
Those types of things had to
be fought with information.
1403
01:17:48,125 --> 01:17:50,000
And this was my responsibility,
1404
01:17:51,375 --> 01:17:54,375
to try to counter
his atrocities.
1405
01:17:54,459 --> 01:17:59,834
You have here an ordinary
young British man
1406
01:17:59,918 --> 01:18:03,417
who left London
and went into Syria.
1407
01:18:06,959 --> 01:18:09,500
Who is now appearing on the TV,
1408
01:18:09,584 --> 01:18:12,417
slaughtering people's life.
1409
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:16,292
Obviously, this had a huge
impact on many young Muslims,
1410
01:18:16,375 --> 01:18:20,000
so that, "Wow,
I am sitting here in London,"
1411
01:18:20,083 --> 01:18:21,375
or "I'm sitting
here in Birmingham,
1412
01:18:21,459 --> 01:18:22,918
I am sitting here
in Manchester,"
1413
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,042
and that he is out
there doing the fight.
1414
01:18:26,125 --> 01:18:28,500
Not only he is doing it,
but doing it in a way
1415
01:18:28,584 --> 01:18:32,709
that is very much a Hollywood
way of dramatizing things.
1416
01:18:32,792 --> 01:18:35,209
Jesse Morton:
That attracted the
concern of non-Muslims
1417
01:18:35,292 --> 01:18:37,959
that are also looking for
a reason to denounce Islam.
1418
01:18:38,042 --> 01:18:40,417
If anybody wants to point
to Islam as a religion
1419
01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:42,834
that breeds barbarity,
it's Jihadi John.
1420
01:18:42,918 --> 01:18:46,667
It's a complete perfect example,
as I was back in the day.
1421
01:18:46,751 --> 01:18:49,209
But this was an exorbitant
level of violence.
1422
01:18:49,292 --> 01:18:52,167
This was a level of violence
unseen before.
1423
01:18:52,250 --> 01:18:54,918
Mamadou Bocum:
What Jihadi John did,
in my opinion,
1424
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,542
for the first time
helped ordinary Muslims
1425
01:18:58,626 --> 01:19:01,709
to say, "Wow there is
something that is not right."
1426
01:19:01,792 --> 01:19:04,417
I think these things
always escalate,
1427
01:19:04,500 --> 01:19:07,417
so they started very
brutal anyway, frankly,
1428
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:09,250
the first execution video,
1429
01:19:09,334 --> 01:19:12,000
although it stopped short of
showing the actual beheading,
1430
01:19:12,083 --> 01:19:14,292
was horrific in its own way.
1431
01:19:14,375 --> 01:19:17,792
But as time went on,
for whatever reason,
1432
01:19:17,876 --> 01:19:21,459
they must have decided to
take that self-censorship away
1433
01:19:21,542 --> 01:19:22,709
and just push it all out.
1434
01:19:22,792 --> 01:19:24,375
Clearly it did escalate up,
1435
01:19:24,459 --> 01:19:26,542
and the killing of
the Jordanian pilot by fire
1436
01:19:26,626 --> 01:19:29,083
was particularly gruesome.
1437
01:19:29,167 --> 01:19:31,709
The turning point really
was when they burned the pilot.
1438
01:19:31,792 --> 01:19:34,334
The prophet Mohammed,
peace be upon him,
1439
01:19:34,417 --> 01:19:36,959
famously taught that
only the lord of fire
1440
01:19:37,042 --> 01:19:38,626
can punish with fire.
1441
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:41,125
El-Badawy:
The burning of
anything in Islam
1442
01:19:41,209 --> 01:19:43,959
that is a living being
was completely forbidden,
1443
01:19:44,042 --> 01:19:46,751
and most Muslims would
know that basic principal.
1444
01:19:46,834 --> 01:19:50,000
It was shot in a style
that was pioneered by Emwazi,
1445
01:19:50,083 --> 01:19:52,000
and it's actually
believed he was there
1446
01:19:52,083 --> 01:19:53,375
while it was being filmed.
1447
01:19:58,626 --> 01:20:00,751
And so this was a complete
eye opening moment
1448
01:20:00,834 --> 01:20:03,584
where if anybody ever
had an ounce of sympathy
1449
01:20:03,667 --> 01:20:05,876
that was Muslim for this group,
1450
01:20:05,959 --> 01:20:08,542
it was impossible
to still continue
1451
01:20:08,626 --> 01:20:11,042
to believe that this
group represented Islam.
1452
01:20:11,125 --> 01:20:12,667
( speaking in foreign language )
1453
01:20:12,751 --> 01:20:17,000
Translator:
...a criminal gang
that has no relation
1454
01:20:17,083 --> 01:20:18,792
to our noble religion.
1455
01:20:18,876 --> 01:20:20,500
El-Badawy:
The video of the pilot
1456
01:20:20,584 --> 01:20:22,500
illustrated
the hubris of the group,
1457
01:20:22,584 --> 01:20:25,000
and it ultimately
undermined the effectiveness
1458
01:20:25,083 --> 01:20:26,667
of the ISIS propaganda machine.
1459
01:20:26,751 --> 01:20:29,918
We will redouble the vigilance,
1460
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:34,834
and determination on
the part of a global coalition
1461
01:20:34,918 --> 01:20:39,209
to make sure
that they are degraded
and ultimately defeated.
1462
01:20:39,292 --> 01:20:43,834
By being able to engage in
something so unthinkable
1463
01:20:43,918 --> 01:20:45,334
you attracted worldwide media,
1464
01:20:45,417 --> 01:20:46,834
you were in the media
stream every day,
1465
01:20:46,918 --> 01:20:48,667
you were the complete
concentration
1466
01:20:48,751 --> 01:20:51,083
of the entire
international community,
1467
01:20:51,167 --> 01:20:53,375
you also made it much
easier for people
1468
01:20:53,459 --> 01:20:56,417
to accept the fact that the
state you claim to be defending
1469
01:20:56,500 --> 01:20:58,459
should be dismantled and
should be bombed from above
1470
01:20:58,542 --> 01:21:00,834
and should incorporate
a coalition against you.
1471
01:21:00,918 --> 01:21:02,375
So as a former propagandist,
1472
01:21:02,459 --> 01:21:04,834
I would say it was
completely counterproductive.
1473
01:21:18,626 --> 01:21:20,167
Wise:
What did Mohammed Emwazi mean
1474
01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:22,083
to those who were
fighting the fight
1475
01:21:22,167 --> 01:21:24,709
against the Islamic State.
1476
01:21:24,792 --> 01:21:29,125
This hunt for
Jihadi John was personal
1477
01:21:29,209 --> 01:21:32,250
and his nationality
mattered not one wit.
1478
01:21:32,334 --> 01:21:34,626
For us, this was as personal
1479
01:21:34,709 --> 01:21:37,709
as if he'd been
an American citizen.
1480
01:21:37,792 --> 01:21:43,667
What we needed to do was find,
fix and finish Emwazi.
1481
01:21:43,751 --> 01:21:47,792
A very, very important target,
and ultimately, of course,
1482
01:21:47,876 --> 01:21:50,918
as they say
in the manhunt business,
1483
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:52,584
ended up on the X.
1484
01:21:52,667 --> 01:21:56,125
Very broadly,
there are three phases.
1485
01:21:56,209 --> 01:21:59,918
The first is just gathering
intelligence about this person,
1486
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,000
based on that,
there is then a phase
1487
01:22:03,083 --> 01:22:05,334
in which you hope to build
up a pattern of life.
1488
01:22:05,417 --> 01:22:08,667
You need a certain regularity
to understand their behavior,
1489
01:22:08,751 --> 01:22:11,292
where they are going to
be on a particular day.
1490
01:22:11,375 --> 01:22:12,959
You also need to make decisions
1491
01:22:13,042 --> 01:22:15,000
about the deployment
of aerial assets
1492
01:22:15,083 --> 01:22:18,834
'cause so much of this is
about reconnaissance from above.
1493
01:22:22,792 --> 01:22:24,292
Warren:
We start to realize,
1494
01:22:24,375 --> 01:22:26,417
we think we know
exactly where he is.
1495
01:22:26,500 --> 01:22:29,584
So have a drone take
a look at that spot.
1496
01:22:31,334 --> 01:22:33,792
( drones humming )
1497
01:22:35,584 --> 01:22:37,292
We'd been very clear that...
1498
01:22:37,375 --> 01:22:39,834
we'd intended to minimize
civilian casualties
1499
01:22:39,918 --> 01:22:41,918
as we prosecuted this
fight against ISIS.
1500
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,584
Jihadi John was able to
read between the lines
1501
01:22:44,667 --> 01:22:46,876
and he understood that
if he surrounded himself
1502
01:22:46,959 --> 01:22:49,250
with civilians,
with non-combatants,
1503
01:22:49,334 --> 01:22:51,918
that we would be very reticent
to try to strike at him.
1504
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,876
Wise:
And this boy knew if he
had any hope for survival
1505
01:22:54,959 --> 01:22:59,042
he had to blend in
to the citizens of Raqqa.
1506
01:22:59,125 --> 01:23:04,375
He had to look from
a distance just like them.
1507
01:23:04,459 --> 01:23:07,918
It's no longer looking
for a needle in a haystack,
1508
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,500
this is like looking for
a needle in a stack of needles.
1509
01:23:11,584 --> 01:23:15,125
Hannigan:
You have to remember
that these terrorists
1510
01:23:15,209 --> 01:23:18,417
are leading lives alongside
their terrorist operations.
1511
01:23:18,500 --> 01:23:20,584
Where we could see
what they were doing,
1512
01:23:20,667 --> 01:23:23,500
they were doing very
much what young men
1513
01:23:23,584 --> 01:23:25,500
of their generation
would do so,
1514
01:23:25,584 --> 01:23:29,500
so be looking at football
and porn and films,
1515
01:23:29,584 --> 01:23:32,375
but in amongst that
was attack planning
1516
01:23:32,459 --> 01:23:36,375
and violent extremist
material and, of course,
1517
01:23:36,459 --> 01:23:38,042
fueling their own impact,
1518
01:23:38,125 --> 01:23:40,500
seeing their own kind of
celebrity being created,
1519
01:23:40,584 --> 01:23:43,042
that must have
been intoxicating.
1520
01:23:43,125 --> 01:23:47,000
Warren:
So the net slowly, slowly,
slowly begins to tighten.
1521
01:23:47,083 --> 01:23:48,584
Finally, yesterday he was here
1522
01:23:48,667 --> 01:23:51,417
and now we have good reason
to believe that tomorrow
1523
01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:53,834
he's gonna be there,
and that's the tipping point.
1524
01:23:53,918 --> 01:23:57,876
Once we start talking about
where do we think he's gonna be
1525
01:23:57,959 --> 01:24:00,709
that in my mind
is when I know, okay,
1526
01:24:00,792 --> 01:24:02,042
we're locked in on him now.
1527
01:24:02,125 --> 01:24:03,667
I think where you
have any target,
1528
01:24:03,751 --> 01:24:07,334
who is very good at
communication security
1529
01:24:07,417 --> 01:24:09,876
they are almost always
made vulnerable by others
1530
01:24:09,959 --> 01:24:12,918
that they communicate with,
so those around them.
1531
01:24:15,500 --> 01:24:16,709
Verkaik:
Throughout his life,
1532
01:24:16,792 --> 01:24:20,042
Mohammed Emwazi
had wanted a family,
1533
01:24:20,125 --> 01:24:23,292
he pursued two engagements,
one woman in London,
1534
01:24:23,375 --> 01:24:26,042
one in Kuwait,
it was the one desire,
1535
01:24:26,125 --> 01:24:28,542
which he continued
to pursue in Syria.
1536
01:24:28,626 --> 01:24:31,709
It turned out to be
his greatest weakness.
1537
01:24:31,792 --> 01:24:33,250
You know his family
was a little bit
1538
01:24:33,334 --> 01:24:34,751
of a vulnerability right?
1539
01:24:34,834 --> 01:24:37,000
He had his, I think,
ISIS issued wife that he got
1540
01:24:37,083 --> 01:24:38,500
when he was in Syria.
1541
01:24:38,584 --> 01:24:40,584
And he knew
that he was a target,
1542
01:24:40,667 --> 01:24:42,042
and he'd taken
appropriate action,
1543
01:24:42,125 --> 01:24:43,542
but the one thing
he couldn't do,
1544
01:24:43,626 --> 01:24:44,918
the one thing he
wasn't prepared to do,
1545
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,334
was to not spend
time with his family.
1546
01:24:47,417 --> 01:24:50,125
Once he had established
a family in Raqqa,
1547
01:24:50,209 --> 01:24:51,375
they knew where to find him.
1548
01:24:51,459 --> 01:24:53,500
They didn't need
to track him 24/7.
1549
01:24:53,584 --> 01:24:55,083
They just had
to watch the family,
1550
01:24:55,167 --> 01:24:57,584
and similarly,
wait for him to turn up.
1551
01:24:57,667 --> 01:25:00,709
Warren:
He was very careful
about his actions,
1552
01:25:00,792 --> 01:25:03,417
but you know what,
they all slip up eventually.
1553
01:25:03,500 --> 01:25:07,292
Every one of these guys,
to a one,
1554
01:25:07,375 --> 01:25:09,334
including the most famous
one Osama Bin Laden,
1555
01:25:09,417 --> 01:25:13,125
they all make a mistake
and when they do,
1556
01:25:13,209 --> 01:25:14,626
we kill them.
1557
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:17,542
( clock ticking )
1558
01:25:21,292 --> 01:25:24,709
( plane engines roaring )
1559
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,500
So eventually,
we acquire our target.
1560
01:25:28,584 --> 01:25:31,000
We're fairly certain
that it's Jihadi John,
1561
01:25:31,083 --> 01:25:33,542
and we see him,
along with some colleagues.
1562
01:25:33,626 --> 01:25:34,751
enter into a vehicle.
1563
01:25:34,834 --> 01:25:36,709
So the location is Raqqa.
1564
01:25:36,792 --> 01:25:39,542
We believed at the time
that he was heading
to the city center,
1565
01:25:39,626 --> 01:25:41,209
and this goes on for some time.
1566
01:25:41,292 --> 01:25:42,876
He's driving around for,
I don't know,
1567
01:25:42,959 --> 01:25:45,459
it might have been 45,
it was a while.
1568
01:25:53,542 --> 01:25:55,042
Inside of that ops center,
1569
01:25:55,125 --> 01:25:57,834
the hunt for Jihadi
John was fairly routine.
1570
01:25:57,918 --> 01:25:59,959
For me personally,
I was more invested.
1571
01:26:00,042 --> 01:26:01,584
You know, he was my foe.
1572
01:26:01,667 --> 01:26:05,834
I had been trading blows with
him for months at this point.
1573
01:26:05,918 --> 01:26:08,918
So you know,
as we're following him around
1574
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,167
and what we're really looking
for is an opportunity
to strike him.
1575
01:26:12,250 --> 01:26:14,334
You might be able
to see an area,
1576
01:26:14,417 --> 01:26:16,584
but perhaps the missile
can't negotiate
1577
01:26:16,667 --> 01:26:19,959
around the various buildings
or population density.
1578
01:26:20,042 --> 01:26:23,751
So, we're trying to
find the opportune time
1579
01:26:23,834 --> 01:26:25,042
to take the shot.
1580
01:26:25,125 --> 01:26:27,584
Because remember,
if you shoot and miss
1581
01:26:27,667 --> 01:26:29,125
well guess what, now he knows.
1582
01:26:29,209 --> 01:26:30,751
Now he knows that
we're shooting at him.
1583
01:26:30,834 --> 01:26:34,542
And sure enough,
eventually he moves his vehicle
1584
01:26:34,626 --> 01:26:36,375
into a relatively open area.
1585
01:26:36,459 --> 01:26:41,125
In fact, ISIS had used
previously for executions,
1586
01:26:41,209 --> 01:26:42,918
sort of a little
poetic justice I guess.
1587
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:47,375
His vehicle stops and we see
a figure exit the vehicle.
1588
01:26:47,459 --> 01:26:50,375
We don't know what he's doing,
but we did know that
1589
01:26:50,459 --> 01:26:53,375
this is not a bad
little location here.
1590
01:26:53,459 --> 01:26:55,209
He steps out of the vehicle,
1591
01:26:55,292 --> 01:26:56,792
and now we have an opportunity
1592
01:26:56,876 --> 01:27:00,292
to really try to triple check
that this is Jihadi John.
1593
01:27:00,375 --> 01:27:02,375
Because of the conditions,
it was night,
1594
01:27:02,459 --> 01:27:04,959
we're using infrared,
you can't see his face.
1595
01:27:05,042 --> 01:27:07,000
But we could sort
of see how he moved,
1596
01:27:07,083 --> 01:27:08,709
the cut of his jib,
so to speak.
1597
01:27:08,792 --> 01:27:10,459
You know,
the angle of his beard.
1598
01:27:10,542 --> 01:27:12,375
You know,
these things we could see.
1599
01:27:12,459 --> 01:27:14,375
Eventually we were convinced
1600
01:27:14,459 --> 01:27:15,792
that this is Jihadi John.
1601
01:27:15,876 --> 01:27:16,918
And so,
1602
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,417
the floor commander
at the time orders,
1603
01:27:20,500 --> 01:27:22,334
take the shot.
1604
01:27:22,417 --> 01:27:23,876
Man:
He's left the vehicle.
1605
01:27:23,959 --> 01:27:26,209
Man 2: Roger.
Let's see what he does.
1606
01:27:26,292 --> 01:27:27,834
Man: Wait...
( distorted radio chatter )
1607
01:27:27,918 --> 01:27:30,918
- Man: Ready to engage.
- Man 2: Standby.
1608
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:32,918
- Man: Engage.
- Man 2: Roger.
1609
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:34,500
Man: Fire, hit it.
1610
01:27:37,918 --> 01:27:39,667
Warren:
And then that
missile's in flight
1611
01:27:39,751 --> 01:27:42,250
and the missile can fly
anywhere from I don't know
1612
01:27:42,334 --> 01:27:44,334
five to 15 seconds
and that really
1613
01:27:44,417 --> 01:27:46,209
is kind the most tense moment
1614
01:27:46,292 --> 01:27:48,500
because now that missile's gone
you can't take it back.
1615
01:27:48,584 --> 01:27:53,167
And so you have these moments,
it's all done
1616
01:27:53,250 --> 01:27:55,250
and you don't know
what's gonna happen next.
1617
01:28:02,167 --> 01:28:04,792
( bomb exploding )
1618
01:28:23,876 --> 01:28:26,500
Wise:
You might ask you know,
was there high fiving
1619
01:28:26,584 --> 01:28:29,000
and celebration after this
1620
01:28:29,083 --> 01:28:33,250
and counterintuitively
the answer is no.
1621
01:28:33,334 --> 01:28:35,209
This is the serious business
1622
01:28:35,292 --> 01:28:38,667
of eradicating
an existential threat
1623
01:28:38,751 --> 01:28:40,542
by taking a human life.
1624
01:28:40,626 --> 01:28:42,542
I don't rejoice
in anyone's death,
1625
01:28:42,626 --> 01:28:45,500
but it was certainly
a good thing
1626
01:28:45,584 --> 01:28:50,125
that he was no longer able
to do the really brutal
1627
01:28:50,209 --> 01:28:52,292
and disgusting things
that we'd seen on video.
1628
01:28:52,375 --> 01:28:58,626
And yes, you could argue
that Emwazi's departure
1629
01:28:58,709 --> 01:29:00,751
lethally and instantaneously
1630
01:29:00,834 --> 01:29:03,626
was perhaps unsatisfying.
1631
01:29:04,834 --> 01:29:06,959
It wasn't
a 10-minute execution.
1632
01:29:08,542 --> 01:29:12,209
He didn't have to feel
the cut of the steel.
1633
01:29:12,292 --> 01:29:14,292
I had a mixed feeling.
1634
01:29:14,375 --> 01:29:18,584
Of course I would have
preferred to see him in court...
1635
01:29:20,167 --> 01:29:23,042
facing his charges...
1636
01:29:24,042 --> 01:29:26,542
and being blamed for
1637
01:29:26,626 --> 01:29:30,792
and answering for
the crimes he committed.
1638
01:29:32,250 --> 01:29:36,167
It was mixed feeling,
but the main feeling though
1639
01:29:36,250 --> 01:29:38,834
was the satisfaction,
1640
01:29:38,918 --> 01:29:41,375
the relief at least,
1641
01:29:41,459 --> 01:29:46,751
this person will not
harm anyone anymore.
1642
01:29:46,834 --> 01:29:50,959
But... yeah in that instant,
I was well aware
1643
01:29:51,042 --> 01:29:54,334
that there were plenty
of other people who would
step into his shoes,
1644
01:29:54,417 --> 01:29:56,292
it would have been, um...
1645
01:29:57,709 --> 01:30:00,792
strange to see this
as a massive breakthrough.
1646
01:30:00,876 --> 01:30:01,918
It was...
1647
01:30:03,667 --> 01:30:07,375
a part of
one particular story,
1648
01:30:07,459 --> 01:30:10,834
but the ISIL threat went on.
1649
01:30:12,375 --> 01:30:14,667
We're going to have
to live with a level
1650
01:30:14,751 --> 01:30:17,918
of extreme Islamist violence
1651
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,542
for some time to come,
and it will continue
1652
01:30:20,626 --> 01:30:23,500
to inspire people
in Western countries.
1653
01:30:23,584 --> 01:30:27,000
Wise:
What you have are
horrendous terrorist acts
1654
01:30:27,083 --> 01:30:28,334
all attributed to ISIS.
1655
01:30:28,417 --> 01:30:31,542
Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi
had not a clue
1656
01:30:31,626 --> 01:30:33,542
that any of those things
were going to happen,
1657
01:30:33,626 --> 01:30:37,292
but he didn't have to,
what they got was inspiration
1658
01:30:37,375 --> 01:30:39,209
and that's all they needed.
1659
01:30:39,292 --> 01:30:40,876
News reporter:
U.S.-led airstrikes
are hitting the heart
1660
01:30:40,959 --> 01:30:43,000
of ISIS-controlled
territory in Syria.
1661
01:30:43,083 --> 01:30:44,959
A coalition of nations
has come together,
1662
01:30:45,042 --> 01:30:47,292
and Britain
has to do its share.
1663
01:30:47,375 --> 01:30:49,918
News reporter:
Day four of withering
air strikes on ISIS targets.
1664
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,959
News reporter 2:
Proclamations of victory
over the group
1665
01:30:52,042 --> 01:30:53,751
in both Iraq and Syria.
1666
01:30:53,834 --> 01:30:55,459
News Reporter 3:
A secret deal
reportedly allowed
1667
01:30:55,542 --> 01:30:56,792
some of the most
notorious ISIS fighters
1668
01:30:56,876 --> 01:30:58,292
to escape from
a besieged Syrian city.
1669
01:30:58,375 --> 01:31:00,667
They made an agreement
so that they didn't
1670
01:31:00,751 --> 01:31:03,667
literally have to
destroy Raqqa to save it.
1671
01:31:03,751 --> 01:31:07,959
I'm sure that was
the least bad of the options.
1672
01:31:08,042 --> 01:31:11,417
Now what you're seeing
already is the remnants
1673
01:31:11,500 --> 01:31:15,042
of these forces turning
into insurgent groups.
1674
01:31:15,125 --> 01:31:16,792
These are elusive enemies now,
1675
01:31:16,876 --> 01:31:20,250
they are no longer wearing
uniforms or flying black flags,
1676
01:31:20,334 --> 01:31:23,209
they are hiding
among the population.
1677
01:31:23,292 --> 01:31:25,751
So this is going to be
a very different threat.
1678
01:31:25,834 --> 01:31:27,834
I'm very confident
that ultimately
1679
01:31:27,918 --> 01:31:32,083
Baghdadi will find himself
on the X as well.
1680
01:31:32,167 --> 01:31:34,709
News reporter:
Once some of the world's
most wanted,
1681
01:31:34,792 --> 01:31:36,667
but now nobody wants them.
1682
01:31:36,751 --> 01:31:39,626
The last two of the British
ISIS cell dubbed The Beatles
1683
01:31:39,709 --> 01:31:41,000
jailed in Syria.
1684
01:31:41,083 --> 01:31:42,209
How they'll face justice
1685
01:31:42,292 --> 01:31:44,334
is now a matter of hot debate.
1686
01:31:44,417 --> 01:31:46,542
Accused of waterboarding,
crucifixion,
1687
01:31:46,626 --> 01:31:49,167
accessory to beheadings
of Western hostages.
1688
01:31:49,250 --> 01:31:52,876
The Beatles, they are obsessed
with their own self-image.
1689
01:31:52,959 --> 01:31:56,250
They have gone from
capturing western journalists
1690
01:31:56,334 --> 01:31:59,000
to now trying to capture
western journalists' attention,
1691
01:31:59,083 --> 01:32:01,834
turning their stories around
as if they were victims,
1692
01:32:01,918 --> 01:32:04,751
and it's caused quite
an interesting reaction
1693
01:32:04,834 --> 01:32:07,042
to what do we do
with people like that.
1694
01:32:07,125 --> 01:32:10,709
Henin:
I would expect to
attend that trial
1695
01:32:10,792 --> 01:32:13,292
and what is of prime
importance to me
1696
01:32:13,375 --> 01:32:15,959
is that this trial is fair.
1697
01:32:16,042 --> 01:32:19,500
We should not give
them any chance
1698
01:32:19,584 --> 01:32:22,334
to portray themselves
as victims.
1699
01:32:22,417 --> 01:32:24,209
We are the victim.
1700
01:32:24,292 --> 01:32:27,751
They are the perpetrators,
they are the terrorists.
1701
01:32:27,834 --> 01:32:30,918
So much effort was
spent on the fanaticism
1702
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,542
that had led Jihadi John
to go kill innocent people.
1703
01:32:34,626 --> 01:32:38,959
If you look at the amazing
lives of his victims,
1704
01:32:39,042 --> 01:32:43,292
these lives are great examples
of the power of networks
1705
01:32:43,375 --> 01:32:45,751
and people joining causes
higher than themselves
1706
01:32:45,834 --> 01:32:47,959
and that use of networking
and the higher cause,
1707
01:32:48,042 --> 01:32:52,209
I think, often is
drowned out by the grisly
1708
01:32:52,292 --> 01:32:53,959
and the dark and
the sensational.
1709
01:32:54,042 --> 01:32:56,792
I never, ever told my dad
how proud I was of him
1710
01:32:56,876 --> 01:32:59,209
and it's only now
when he's not here
1711
01:32:59,292 --> 01:33:02,250
that I realize how
proud I actually was.
1712
01:33:02,334 --> 01:33:05,500
When David was always
talking to his daughters.
1713
01:33:07,918 --> 01:33:09,709
He'd have his time...
1714
01:33:11,959 --> 01:33:14,709
when he just wanted
to speak to his daughters.
1715
01:33:14,792 --> 01:33:16,626
Federico and I,
1716
01:33:16,709 --> 01:33:20,250
we were kind of forced
together through this.
1717
01:33:20,334 --> 01:33:24,709
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we speak...
um... often.
1718
01:33:26,584 --> 01:33:29,000
She's remarkably
like her father...
1719
01:33:30,626 --> 01:33:33,792
in temperament and many ways.
1720
01:33:33,876 --> 01:33:36,250
I definitely see
a lot of David in her.
1721
01:33:36,334 --> 01:33:39,125
When people tell me
I'm a lot like my dad,
1722
01:33:39,209 --> 01:33:41,918
I used to always think,
I don't believe it,
I don't believe it.
1723
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,918
So when he says,
"Oh, you're so much
like your dad,"
1724
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:46,626
it really does ring true,
and you think,
1725
01:33:46,709 --> 01:33:49,125
Well, I must be doing
something right.
1726
01:33:52,626 --> 01:33:54,250
Walton:
There was a sense
in which Emwazi
1727
01:33:54,334 --> 01:33:56,542
had fulfilled his ambitions,
1728
01:33:56,626 --> 01:33:59,876
but there was also some
self-analysis by us
1729
01:33:59,959 --> 01:34:02,125
as to whether we'd actually
had the right strategy
1730
01:34:02,209 --> 01:34:03,542
for this individual.
1731
01:34:03,626 --> 01:34:05,959
On the one hand,
we had absolutely
1732
01:34:06,042 --> 01:34:07,876
understood the threat he posed,
1733
01:34:07,959 --> 01:34:11,709
but ultimately,
we failed because he became
what he wanted to be,
1734
01:34:11,792 --> 01:34:15,667
potentially one of the worst
terrorists of all time.
1735
01:34:15,751 --> 01:34:19,334
To think that
the level of-- of hatred
1736
01:34:19,417 --> 01:34:20,500
that must have been generated
1737
01:34:20,584 --> 01:34:22,918
over that short number of years
1738
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:24,918
was such that it would
have inspired him
1739
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,000
to behave in a way that he did,
1740
01:34:27,083 --> 01:34:28,792
I find that incredible,
1741
01:34:28,876 --> 01:34:32,042
that's not the same
person that-- that I knew.
1742
01:34:32,125 --> 01:34:34,500
He was a guy who had it all.
1743
01:34:34,584 --> 01:34:37,334
British passport,
safety and security,
1744
01:34:37,417 --> 01:34:39,500
all the benefits
of British society.
1745
01:34:39,584 --> 01:34:45,083
He had a future, and he gave
it up for the Islamic State.
1746
01:34:45,167 --> 01:34:47,083
Ultimately
it's a battle of ideas,
1747
01:34:47,167 --> 01:34:50,209
and I am confident that good
ideas with the right support
1748
01:34:50,292 --> 01:34:53,417
will demonstrate that
bad ideas are nihilistic,
1749
01:34:53,500 --> 01:34:55,417
they destroy
themselves and others.
1750
01:34:55,500 --> 01:34:57,000
Somebody put it very strikingly.
1751
01:34:57,083 --> 01:35:01,209
They said the terrorist is
like the fly in the china shop.
1752
01:35:01,292 --> 01:35:03,626
Now he can't destroy
the china shop on his own.
1753
01:35:03,709 --> 01:35:05,584
The fly isn't nearly
strong enough,
1754
01:35:05,667 --> 01:35:08,292
but if he gets inside
the ear of a bull
1755
01:35:08,375 --> 01:35:12,292
then the bull if it panics
will destroy the china shop.
1756
01:35:12,375 --> 01:35:14,250
We're the bull,
they are the fly,
1757
01:35:14,334 --> 01:35:16,292
that's why it's
important not to panic.
1758
01:35:16,375 --> 01:35:21,250
We need to have the courage
to have a higher standard.
1759
01:35:21,334 --> 01:35:25,292
We must not debase ourselves
to the level of hatred
1760
01:35:25,375 --> 01:35:26,667
that they have.
1761
01:35:26,751 --> 01:35:28,709
And as part of Jim's legacy,
1762
01:35:28,792 --> 01:35:33,459
we want to inspire
young people to care
1763
01:35:33,542 --> 01:35:35,792
and do good things
in the world.
1764
01:35:35,876 --> 01:35:38,209
We need that goodness.