1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:05,396 --> 00:00:07,355 [soft music] 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:25,068 --> 00:00:27,766 -[woman] Jordan Peterson. -[man] Jordan Peterson. 5 00:00:27,810 --> 00:00:30,073 -[man] Jordan Peterson. -Jordan B. Peterson. 6 00:00:30,117 --> 00:00:32,075 -Jordan Peterson. -[man] Welcome back, Mr. Peterson. 7 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:34,512 The Canadian psychology professor is somebody 8 00:00:34,556 --> 00:00:36,601 people love or love to hate. 9 00:00:36,645 --> 00:00:38,473 [woman] Despite what you think about him, 10 00:00:38,516 --> 00:00:40,779 there is no denying the professor's impact. 11 00:00:40,823 --> 00:00:42,738 [man] He's undeniably one of the greatest 12 00:00:42,781 --> 00:00:45,219 intellectual phenomenons on the planet right now. 13 00:00:45,262 --> 00:00:48,265 [woman] People were coming up to me and saying, "This book 14 00:00:48,309 --> 00:00:50,659 -saved my life." -[man] He's the ultimate father figure. 15 00:00:50,702 --> 00:00:54,706 [man] I've spent so much time in the dark. It's not easy to find, 16 00:00:54,750 --> 00:00:58,493 not so much heroes, but people that can be so helpful. 17 00:00:58,536 --> 00:01:02,236 -Shame, shame, shame. -[Lane Patriquin] So, you're anti-justice. 18 00:01:02,279 --> 00:01:07,023 Are you a Batman villain? I watched the professor against political correctness video 19 00:01:07,067 --> 00:01:10,896 and I was just so disappointed, I guess. 20 00:01:12,115 --> 00:01:14,726 [Tammy Peterson] His thoughts aren't quick. 21 00:01:14,770 --> 00:01:17,468 They're long and drawn out and they're a story, 22 00:01:17,512 --> 00:01:21,646 everything he says is a story, so you have to be there for the whole story 23 00:01:21,690 --> 00:01:25,259 to find out what is there at the end. 24 00:01:27,043 --> 00:01:29,219 [Jordan Peterson] "A man does not live by bread alone." 25 00:01:29,263 --> 00:01:31,743 Right, and the spiritual bread that's the story. 26 00:01:35,834 --> 00:01:39,534 If you're going to have millions of people who are listening to everything you say, 27 00:01:39,577 --> 00:01:44,321 I think that you have take some responsibility to help them understand what you mean. 28 00:01:44,365 --> 00:01:46,845 So, this is what I actually look like 29 00:01:46,889 --> 00:01:50,240 and then this is what people who don't like me think I look like. 30 00:01:51,023 --> 00:01:54,070 -[dramatic music] -[ovation] 31 00:01:54,114 --> 00:01:56,899 -[woman] Which one is real? -[Jordan] Yeah, that's a good question. 32 00:01:56,942 --> 00:01:58,596 Well, I would say they're both real. 33 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:04,167 [audience] Peterson! Peterson! Peterson! 34 00:02:15,135 --> 00:02:17,485 [soft music] 35 00:02:32,761 --> 00:02:34,893 [Tammy] Yeah, and he sang at my mom's funeral. 36 00:02:34,937 --> 00:02:36,765 That's when he started to play the piano 37 00:02:36,808 --> 00:02:38,506 as opposed to playing the guitar. 38 00:02:38,549 --> 00:02:41,030 And he did it and sent it before he left. 39 00:02:41,073 --> 00:02:42,379 [laughing] 40 00:02:59,962 --> 00:03:01,224 -[Mikhaila] Answer. -[Jordan] One to five? 41 00:03:01,268 --> 00:03:04,009 Yes. Strongly agree is five, 42 00:03:04,053 --> 00:03:07,404 -strongly disagree is one. Okay. -[Jordan] Okay. 43 00:03:07,448 --> 00:03:11,495 -[Mikhaila] Seldom feel blue? -That's the kind of question I don't know how to answer-- 44 00:03:11,539 --> 00:03:15,107 Just guess. Guess and then mom and I will tell you if you're off... 45 00:03:15,151 --> 00:03:17,849 -Five is strongly agree? -Yeah. 46 00:03:18,850 --> 00:03:21,810 -Four. -Avoid philosophical discussions? 47 00:03:21,853 --> 00:03:24,029 -[laughs] -One. 48 00:03:24,073 --> 00:03:25,466 Change my mood a lot? 49 00:03:27,381 --> 00:03:30,471 -He is Gemini. -I don't know. That's another one that's tough for me. 50 00:03:30,514 --> 00:03:32,473 -What would you say? -I'd say one, but that's wrong. 51 00:03:32,516 --> 00:03:35,302 He changes his mood often. I'd say yes. 52 00:03:35,345 --> 00:03:38,130 -Yeah, probably four. -You know, he can be... 53 00:03:38,174 --> 00:03:41,133 -Not a five? ...deeply immersed on the telephone, then he can say, 54 00:03:41,177 --> 00:03:45,268 -"Where's my wallet?" And-- -Okay, okay. Five. 55 00:03:45,312 --> 00:03:48,532 And then get out on the street and complain about the car and-- 56 00:03:48,576 --> 00:03:50,273 Keep my emotions under control? 57 00:03:50,317 --> 00:03:53,624 -[laughing] Three. -Okay. 58 00:03:53,668 --> 00:03:56,018 -No way. Come on, really? -Is that what you think? 59 00:03:56,061 --> 00:03:58,325 You have no idea how irritated I actually am. 60 00:03:59,326 --> 00:04:01,980 -That isn't-- that's not the question. -One, apparently. 61 00:04:02,024 --> 00:04:03,504 Weren't you yelling at a computer? 62 00:04:04,809 --> 00:04:06,768 -Yeah. -Rarely feel depressed? 63 00:04:06,811 --> 00:04:09,858 When I'm not depressed, I don't feel depressed at all, 64 00:04:09,901 --> 00:04:13,427 but when I'm depressed, I feel depressed. That's another one I don't know how to answer. 65 00:04:13,470 --> 00:04:17,518 -[Mikhaila] Love a good fight? -[Tammy] You mean an argument? 66 00:04:17,561 --> 00:04:18,954 Yeah, a conflict. 67 00:04:20,042 --> 00:04:22,044 -[crosstalk] -You love them more than me. 68 00:04:22,087 --> 00:04:24,307 They agitate the hell out of me, but I won't back away 69 00:04:24,351 --> 00:04:26,527 from one. Three. 70 00:04:26,570 --> 00:04:27,876 Hard to get to know? 71 00:04:29,356 --> 00:04:31,140 -Three. -You went on TV talking about depression. 72 00:04:31,183 --> 00:04:33,142 -[Tammy] What was the question? -Well, that's different. 73 00:04:33,185 --> 00:04:35,318 Not really. Hard to get to know. 74 00:04:35,362 --> 00:04:37,189 -[father] Show business. -[Tammy] Hard to get to know. 75 00:04:37,233 --> 00:04:39,235 -Know how to captivate people? -Five. 76 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,325 -Get deeply immersed in music? -Five. 77 00:04:42,369 --> 00:04:44,327 -Think quickly? -Five. 78 00:04:44,371 --> 00:04:45,807 Not easily annoyed? 79 00:04:47,374 --> 00:04:49,941 - One. Thanks, Mom. -[Jordan's mom laughs] 80 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,292 Seek conflict? 81 00:04:54,946 --> 00:04:56,165 Seek it. 82 00:04:56,208 --> 00:04:58,428 [suspenseful music] 83 00:05:11,615 --> 00:05:16,533 When you're speaking about existential personality theory, 84 00:05:17,882 --> 00:05:22,496 it's important to place the individual in a broader context. 85 00:05:24,236 --> 00:05:28,415 Jung famously claimed that people didn't have ideas, 86 00:05:28,458 --> 00:05:30,112 that ideas had people. 87 00:05:33,855 --> 00:05:38,338 Politics was really something that had always been at the base 88 00:05:38,381 --> 00:05:40,383 of what he was worried about. 89 00:05:40,427 --> 00:05:42,472 Why do people fight wars 90 00:05:42,516 --> 00:05:47,347 and why are people willing to sacrifice themselves? 91 00:05:48,304 --> 00:05:51,481 [Jordan] I've been studying authoritarianism for a very long time. 92 00:05:52,526 --> 00:05:57,400 It's been my life's work to inoculate people against ideological possession. 93 00:05:57,444 --> 00:06:01,709 It's the lesson that I try to teach people in my Maps of Meaning course. 94 00:06:01,752 --> 00:06:05,408 And then I've been keeping an eye on what's been going on with political correctness 95 00:06:05,452 --> 00:06:08,411 since, well since the 1990s when I was down in-- 96 00:06:08,455 --> 00:06:11,066 I taught at Harvard for seven years. 97 00:06:11,632 --> 00:06:14,025 And there was a big resurgence of political correctness 98 00:06:14,069 --> 00:06:17,812 in the 1990s, but it sort of died off. 99 00:06:18,465 --> 00:06:21,511 But then something changed about five or six years ago. 100 00:06:21,555 --> 00:06:26,298 I noticed it, in the speech codes, and the sexual harassment codes, 101 00:06:26,342 --> 00:06:30,041 and the idea of rape culture. My graduate student's comments that they're nervous 102 00:06:30,085 --> 00:06:33,741 about teaching anything that has to do with gender or biology of gender 103 00:06:33,784 --> 00:06:37,440 because they're afraid of the potential kickback from students 104 00:06:37,484 --> 00:06:40,878 or afraid of speaking out in public about their research 105 00:06:40,922 --> 00:06:43,403 on political psychology and personality. 106 00:06:44,229 --> 00:06:48,451 It's just an endless array of details 107 00:06:48,495 --> 00:06:52,150 indicating that the requirement to speak 108 00:06:52,194 --> 00:06:53,761 in the politically correct manner 109 00:06:53,804 --> 00:06:55,240 is becoming overwhelming. 110 00:06:57,417 --> 00:07:01,899 It just so happened that it was the trans pronoun issue 111 00:07:01,943 --> 00:07:04,859 that brought in this restrictive legislation 112 00:07:04,902 --> 00:07:07,470 that had forced speech content, 113 00:07:07,514 --> 00:07:10,386 which I think is very bad idea in principle, 114 00:07:10,430 --> 00:07:11,953 very, very dangerous idea. 115 00:07:27,447 --> 00:07:28,883 And I've entitled this talk, 116 00:07:29,753 --> 00:07:32,756 "Professor Against Political Correctness." 117 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,543 There are continually things happening in the universities 118 00:07:36,586 --> 00:07:39,241 and in the broader political world that make me very nervous. 119 00:07:40,155 --> 00:07:43,071 It's becoming increasingly difficult for professors 120 00:07:43,114 --> 00:07:45,856 and students to even say what they think. 121 00:07:47,554 --> 00:07:50,121 And I think that some of the things that I say in my lectures 122 00:07:50,165 --> 00:07:52,820 now might be sufficient for me to be brought before 123 00:07:52,863 --> 00:07:56,519 the Ontario Human Rights Commission under their amended hate speech laws. 124 00:07:56,563 --> 00:07:58,695 And that scares me as well. 125 00:07:58,739 --> 00:08:01,524 And it scares me that I think that because it sounds paranoid 126 00:08:02,873 --> 00:08:05,833 and there is a first reading of legislation 127 00:08:05,876 --> 00:08:10,359 in the Federal House in Canada about a bill called C-16. 128 00:08:10,402 --> 00:08:15,233 I'm very proud that on May the 17th 129 00:08:15,277 --> 00:08:18,410 we introduced bill C-16, 130 00:08:18,454 --> 00:08:20,674 an act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act 131 00:08:20,717 --> 00:08:22,632 and the criminal code. 132 00:08:22,676 --> 00:08:24,895 The bill addresses a fundamental issue 133 00:08:24,939 --> 00:08:27,115 of equality and human rights, 134 00:08:27,158 --> 00:08:30,422 the discrimination and hate crimes experienced 135 00:08:30,466 --> 00:08:33,208 by trans and gender diverse Canadians. 136 00:08:33,251 --> 00:08:35,602 [Jordan] Definition of discrimination and harassment. 137 00:08:35,645 --> 00:08:37,473 Now, these are truly terrifying. 138 00:08:38,430 --> 00:08:41,259 Discrimination happens when a person experiences 139 00:08:41,303 --> 00:08:45,699 negative treatment or impact intentional or not. 140 00:08:46,656 --> 00:08:51,313 Intent matters, this is a painful thing that human beings have learned. 141 00:08:51,356 --> 00:08:53,533 It's at the base of our modern legal systems. 142 00:08:53,576 --> 00:08:55,709 If I accidentally run into you, 143 00:08:55,752 --> 00:08:58,581 that's way different than if I run into you on purpose. 144 00:08:58,625 --> 00:09:02,367 And so, this policy is designed to reverse that. 145 00:09:02,977 --> 00:09:06,633 So, this is the scenario I've been running through my head. 146 00:09:06,676 --> 00:09:09,636 I can envision a student or a colleague 147 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:15,424 insisting that I call them using gender neutral pronouns. 148 00:09:16,207 --> 00:09:18,775 I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. 149 00:09:18,819 --> 00:09:22,997 I don't recognize another person's right to determine 150 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,566 what pronouns I use to address them. I won't do it. 151 00:09:28,089 --> 00:09:33,224 Now, my decision might be illegal and maybe it's even a decision of hate, 152 00:09:33,877 --> 00:09:35,270 but I'm not doing it. 153 00:09:35,313 --> 00:09:36,663 [suspenseful music] 154 00:09:43,757 --> 00:09:45,672 [Jordan] But I'm not doing it. 155 00:09:45,715 --> 00:09:49,066 I watched the video and then was in danger 156 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:50,807 of vomiting all over my keyboard. 157 00:09:56,552 --> 00:10:00,251 I started tweeting about it and I made a number of comments 158 00:10:00,295 --> 00:10:03,603 basically calling out Peterson for being transphobic. 159 00:10:03,646 --> 00:10:06,562 But I just sort of felt that I could speak perhaps to having 160 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:10,914 a little bit of lived experience as a non-binary and a trans person on campus. 161 00:10:10,958 --> 00:10:14,657 I wanted to try to stick up for students 162 00:10:14,701 --> 00:10:17,529 who felt under fire from Peterson's remarks. 163 00:10:24,711 --> 00:10:28,932 I wrote to someone in the administration and asking, 164 00:10:28,976 --> 00:10:30,978 "Gosh, what are we going to do about this?" 165 00:10:31,021 --> 00:10:34,677 And it, sort of, snowballed from there. 166 00:10:34,721 --> 00:10:38,855 Why are you against the use of alternate pronouns? 167 00:10:38,899 --> 00:10:43,164 I'm against the use of-- of legislation to determine 168 00:10:43,207 --> 00:10:47,342 what words are that myself and other people are required to utter. 169 00:10:47,385 --> 00:10:50,780 Bill C-16 is actually not about cisgender people. 170 00:10:50,824 --> 00:10:53,087 It's about protections for transgender people. 171 00:10:53,130 --> 00:10:55,916 Peterson frames this as a free speech issue 172 00:10:55,959 --> 00:10:58,832 just because you can't speak exactly what you want to say it, 173 00:10:58,875 --> 00:11:00,964 when you want to say it, where you want to say it, 174 00:11:01,008 --> 00:11:02,923 doesn't mean you get to throw a big tantrum. 175 00:11:02,966 --> 00:11:05,055 You've accused him of abusing students 176 00:11:05,099 --> 00:11:07,449 by not using the pronouns they want to be addressed by. 177 00:11:07,492 --> 00:11:09,190 That's how I see it, absolutely. 178 00:11:09,233 --> 00:11:11,148 That is tantamount to abuse in your view? 179 00:11:11,192 --> 00:11:14,630 Absolutely. Many global documents, many organiza-- 180 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:16,501 How about violence? Is it tantamount to violence? 181 00:11:16,545 --> 00:11:18,590 -Yes, absolutely. -How about hate speech? 182 00:11:18,634 --> 00:11:20,723 -Is it tantamount hate speech? -Yes. It's hate speech-- 183 00:11:20,767 --> 00:11:22,290 Fine, that's-- 184 00:11:26,729 --> 00:11:31,255 One of the things that I studied, for example, 185 00:11:31,299 --> 00:11:35,303 with regards to the way events went during the Holocaust is that 186 00:11:35,346 --> 00:11:38,610 we went this far. It was like, "Okay, no problem." 187 00:11:38,654 --> 00:11:41,744 But then we went this far. That was okay, no problem. 188 00:11:41,788 --> 00:11:44,573 It's like, "Oh, it's okay. It's okay. We can do that. 189 00:11:44,616 --> 00:11:47,315 We can go that one step further." It's like-- 190 00:11:47,358 --> 00:11:50,100 The funny thing too is, is if you draw a line in the sand, 191 00:11:50,144 --> 00:11:53,843 which is what I did, all hell breaks loose because, 192 00:11:53,887 --> 00:11:56,237 "Well, why did you draw it there? That's arbitrary." 193 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,674 It's like, "Yeah, there's an element of arbitrariness to it." 194 00:11:58,718 --> 00:12:00,589 That's why people won't draw the line, they don't want 195 00:12:00,632 --> 00:12:03,200 to take the heat for the arbitrary element, 196 00:12:03,244 --> 00:12:05,986 the arbitrary nature of the act because 197 00:12:06,029 --> 00:12:09,380 whatever people happen to be directly affected by that arbitrary line, 198 00:12:09,424 --> 00:12:11,905 they come out and say, "Well, you're a horrible person." 199 00:12:11,948 --> 00:12:16,779 "Yeah. Oh, well. No, but I get your point." 200 00:12:21,305 --> 00:12:23,264 There's a demonstration plan for tomorrow. 201 00:12:23,307 --> 00:12:25,657 They call it a rally and teach-in, 202 00:12:25,701 --> 00:12:28,748 so I'm going to have to make this very straightforward and simple. 203 00:12:29,836 --> 00:12:34,275 I don't disbelieve in the existence of non-binary people. 204 00:12:34,318 --> 00:12:36,364 Okay? Do you want me to say that again? 205 00:12:36,407 --> 00:12:38,670 Obviously, people who don't fit into 206 00:12:38,714 --> 00:12:42,631 standard binary categories of sexual identity, 207 00:12:42,674 --> 00:12:45,808 however you decide to construe that 208 00:12:45,852 --> 00:12:49,072 broadly or narrowly, obviously those people exist. 209 00:12:49,856 --> 00:12:52,162 I never said they didn't exist. 210 00:12:52,206 --> 00:12:56,079 So, if you're going out tomorrow to this demonstration 211 00:12:56,123 --> 00:13:00,649 because you want to indicate your discomfort 212 00:13:00,692 --> 00:13:04,044 with my disbelief in the very existence of non-binary people, 213 00:13:04,087 --> 00:13:05,567 you might as well just stay home. 214 00:13:10,746 --> 00:13:15,403 [young man] Everyone who is here who has seen the Peterson video, 215 00:13:15,446 --> 00:13:19,668 I want you to raise your hand if this is the very first time 216 00:13:19,711 --> 00:13:25,108 that you've ever heard anything like what he's saying. 217 00:13:27,023 --> 00:13:30,722 [Lane Patriquin] We had created what should have been an historical event. 218 00:13:31,506 --> 00:13:35,815 It may have been the only gathering of that type in Canadian history 219 00:13:35,858 --> 00:13:39,166 of trans people in a public space gathering in a large number 220 00:13:39,209 --> 00:13:42,996 to go up to an open microphone and announce publicly their experiences. 221 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:45,259 I don't think that's ever happened 222 00:13:45,302 --> 00:13:48,131 and that was a huge deal to us when we put that on. 223 00:13:48,175 --> 00:13:52,048 We're here today to call out Jordan B. Peterson. 224 00:13:52,092 --> 00:13:54,790 He feels that he has the authority to dictate 225 00:13:54,834 --> 00:13:57,662 the gender identities of his students, 226 00:13:57,706 --> 00:13:59,926 which we are here to say that he does not. 227 00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:05,540 Using preferred pronouns, I don't think is a debate. 228 00:14:05,583 --> 00:14:08,064 It's just being respectful. 229 00:14:09,196 --> 00:14:13,417 I attempted to kill myself three times last year. 230 00:14:13,461 --> 00:14:20,076 The result of the anxiety that comes from when you decide to begin transitioning. 231 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,732 It leads you to do things, horrible things. 232 00:14:24,472 --> 00:14:28,955 [Lane Patriquin] We'd also told media not to film trans people 233 00:14:28,998 --> 00:14:32,784 without their consent. The media was all very responsible with that 234 00:14:32,828 --> 00:14:35,657 and respected our wishes but Rebel Media wouldn't. 235 00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:39,487 They kept shoving their cameras in people's faces. 236 00:14:39,530 --> 00:14:42,055 Actually, I'm talking to people because I want to know 237 00:14:42,098 --> 00:14:44,405 whether they want a man to be fired. I want to know about bill C-16, 238 00:14:44,448 --> 00:14:46,494 what they think about campus freedom. 239 00:14:46,537 --> 00:14:49,366 Everyone here can give their opinion on whether they think 240 00:14:49,410 --> 00:14:51,281 this is a campus with free speech. 241 00:14:51,325 --> 00:14:54,937 Anyone of any skin color or gender can give that opinion. 242 00:14:54,981 --> 00:14:58,375 Well, like the Lauren Southern thing was basic definition 243 00:14:58,419 --> 00:15:00,377 of trans people being talked over. 244 00:15:00,421 --> 00:15:03,380 She had just legally changed her sex marker 245 00:15:03,424 --> 00:15:07,341 as some sort of like anti-trans publicity stunt a few days before. 246 00:15:25,576 --> 00:15:28,928 [Lauren] I, honestly, didn't expect it to be that easy. 247 00:15:30,712 --> 00:15:34,194 The people who are there were like raw that day. 248 00:15:34,237 --> 00:15:36,544 You know what I mean? Everyone who attended that rally 249 00:15:36,587 --> 00:15:38,894 was putting themselves in a very vulnerable position 250 00:15:38,938 --> 00:15:41,592 and it was really just like being spat on. 251 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,780 [Jordan] Yeah. Yes. 252 00:15:57,217 --> 00:15:59,828 I think people also have to start pushing back 253 00:15:59,871 --> 00:16:02,787 and saying when they hear this constant noise 254 00:16:02,831 --> 00:16:05,007 about what group identity you belong to, 255 00:16:05,051 --> 00:16:08,402 and to make that the cardinal element of their identity. 256 00:16:08,445 --> 00:16:09,794 It's appalling. 257 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:13,189 Okay. Well, it was really good talking to you guys. 258 00:16:14,103 --> 00:16:17,280 Okay, good. Yeah. Bye. 259 00:16:21,893 --> 00:16:23,417 Now, who was that? 260 00:16:28,683 --> 00:16:31,120 -[Gregg Hurwitz] Recording? -[man] It's recording. 261 00:16:31,164 --> 00:16:35,081 So, anything I say now, you can put out in a tweet and ruin my career? 262 00:16:35,124 --> 00:16:38,388 -Exactly. -All right. I'm going to be mindful of you, Marxists. 263 00:16:38,432 --> 00:16:40,956 I was one of Jordan's students when I was an Undergrad at Harvard. 264 00:16:41,913 --> 00:16:45,569 He can be a pretty intimidating professor, but he was beloved. 265 00:16:45,613 --> 00:16:49,530 The aspect of people that's dividing theoretically 266 00:16:49,573 --> 00:16:52,576 is the part that stands on the border between the unknown and the known 267 00:16:52,620 --> 00:16:55,231 and it moves information from unexplored territory 268 00:16:55,275 --> 00:16:57,190 into explored territory. 269 00:16:57,233 --> 00:17:00,541 Expanding the door to the domain of the group. That's-- 270 00:17:00,584 --> 00:17:03,892 Anyways. Okay. Who's this? 271 00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:09,680 One of the things I remember is that if any student had an objection to something, 272 00:17:09,724 --> 00:17:12,509 if it was clear it was from an ideological angle, 273 00:17:12,553 --> 00:17:16,078 whether Left or Right, he would just sort of scissor it. 274 00:17:16,122 --> 00:17:19,777 Like if you're going to ask something disingenuously 275 00:17:19,821 --> 00:17:22,998 that part of what you're asking is to get information 276 00:17:23,042 --> 00:17:26,393 or make a power play in the phrasing of the question, that's not going to be tolerated 277 00:17:26,436 --> 00:17:29,004 in the kind of discourse of a classroom. 278 00:17:29,048 --> 00:17:33,617 For me, ideologies are the expression in a sense, 279 00:17:33,661 --> 00:17:36,446 the verbal expression of the internal structures 280 00:17:36,490 --> 00:17:38,405 that regulate our emotions. 281 00:17:38,448 --> 00:17:42,148 Jordan and I have been in touch sort of increasingly 282 00:17:42,191 --> 00:17:44,106 as our lives have gone on. 283 00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:47,849 Actually. I think that was really worrying me, 284 00:17:47,892 --> 00:17:52,332 I guess I would say because the last thing I want to do-- 285 00:17:52,375 --> 00:17:54,203 well, I don't know if it's the last thing, 286 00:17:54,247 --> 00:17:56,510 but I don't want to get into political arguments 287 00:17:56,553 --> 00:18:00,470 and I don't want to get stuck in a, you know. 288 00:18:00,514 --> 00:18:04,126 [Gregg Hurwitz] One will always lose, on this topic. 289 00:18:04,170 --> 00:18:07,999 [Jordan] I think you kind of lose every time you engage in a political argument. 290 00:18:08,043 --> 00:18:10,480 You know the people that are putting the argument forward 291 00:18:10,524 --> 00:18:14,789 are possessed by one ideology and when you discuss 292 00:18:14,832 --> 00:18:16,747 it in the ideological terms and oppose it, 293 00:18:16,791 --> 00:18:18,619 that means you're immediately possessed 294 00:18:18,662 --> 00:18:20,273 by the opposing ideology. 295 00:18:20,316 --> 00:18:23,145 I don't want to be the mouthpiece of... 296 00:18:23,189 --> 00:18:26,322 of the opposite to Neo-Marxism. 297 00:18:38,029 --> 00:18:41,816 [indistinct chatter] 298 00:18:47,169 --> 00:18:48,257 All right. 299 00:18:51,521 --> 00:18:53,262 I don't know what's going to happen. 300 00:18:53,306 --> 00:18:55,090 -That's all. -[elevator bell rings] 301 00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:59,616 [Jordan sighs] Could be catastrophic for me. 302 00:19:02,619 --> 00:19:05,405 I don't even know where I'm supposed to meet people. 303 00:19:12,542 --> 00:19:16,372 -What you had to say was definitely needed, I think. -Glad to hear it. 304 00:19:16,416 --> 00:19:19,114 -I think there needs to be an open dialogue-- -Of course. 305 00:19:22,900 --> 00:19:26,165 -It's a pleasure to finally meet you. -Oh, yeah. How are you doing? 306 00:19:26,208 --> 00:19:29,385 I'm very good. I look forward to hearing you speak. 307 00:19:29,429 --> 00:19:33,302 Your video about your ID switch there got a lot of attention? 308 00:19:33,346 --> 00:19:37,828 Yeah, about 200,000. The one covering the protest against you got over 100,000. 309 00:19:37,872 --> 00:19:39,700 -Oh, yeah? -I don't know if you saw it, but they-- 310 00:19:39,743 --> 00:19:41,528 You made quite a splash with your video, 311 00:19:41,571 --> 00:19:43,399 your YouTube channel. When did you start it? 312 00:19:43,443 --> 00:19:46,750 Rebel? Ezra Levant started it about a year ago. 313 00:19:46,794 --> 00:19:51,494 -A year? -Yeah, I joined full-time a couple of months ago. 314 00:19:51,538 --> 00:19:56,760 [man] It was funny you're talking to white straight guys and they put their hands... 315 00:19:56,804 --> 00:19:59,633 They're screaming at people, laughing at people for being white. 316 00:19:59,676 --> 00:20:02,026 -It was very sad. -Well I'm the token Asian guy, so... 317 00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:05,204 Well, it is pretty funny being white, you know. 318 00:20:05,247 --> 00:20:09,295 Hello. Good afternoon, UOT. Dr. Jordan Peterson 319 00:20:09,338 --> 00:20:13,473 will come out and speak after I do and Lauren Southern-- 320 00:20:13,516 --> 00:20:15,083 [loud music] 321 00:20:20,784 --> 00:20:24,440 -[Jordan] Let's not do that. -We're here for the rally for free speech and we have 322 00:20:24,484 --> 00:20:27,313 -some other company... -[loud music] 323 00:20:31,969 --> 00:20:33,971 ...Campus culture has been changing lives everywhere. 324 00:20:34,015 --> 00:20:36,365 Other people thought that the event was organized 325 00:20:36,409 --> 00:20:38,802 by straight white males 326 00:20:38,846 --> 00:20:40,978 who had bigoted opinions 327 00:20:41,022 --> 00:20:42,937 and just wanted to use freedom of speech 328 00:20:42,980 --> 00:20:45,505 as a shield for their ignorance. 329 00:20:45,548 --> 00:20:48,334 People on the other side did not understand. 330 00:20:48,377 --> 00:20:52,381 The people who are disagreeing with the social justice left. 331 00:20:52,425 --> 00:20:56,211 We feel that, yeah, there is an issue of political correctness. 332 00:20:56,255 --> 00:21:00,563 Well, it's not because I'm completely ignorant. 333 00:21:00,607 --> 00:21:02,565 It's because I'm trying to think about those things 334 00:21:02,609 --> 00:21:05,133 and trying to form an opinion about those things. 335 00:21:05,176 --> 00:21:08,745 [group of people] Shame, shame, shame. 336 00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:14,708 -[crosstalk] -Shame, shame, shame. 337 00:21:14,751 --> 00:21:17,885 -Okay. -[loud music] 338 00:21:29,331 --> 00:21:33,988 -[indistinct screams] -[applauses] 339 00:21:34,031 --> 00:21:37,165 Okay, so let's try this again. 340 00:21:37,774 --> 00:21:40,473 The reason I'm defending freedom of speech 341 00:21:40,516 --> 00:21:44,215 is because that's how people with different opinions settled their opinions 342 00:21:44,259 --> 00:21:47,958 in a civil society and if we lose that-- 343 00:21:48,002 --> 00:21:50,047 -[group of people] Whoa. -[applauses] 344 00:21:50,091 --> 00:21:54,225 If we lose that, we'll lose so much, you can't imagine. 345 00:21:55,139 --> 00:21:58,621 It's as a consequence of free speech and the ability to speak, 346 00:21:58,665 --> 00:22:00,971 that people can put their finger on problems, 347 00:22:01,015 --> 00:22:04,323 articulate what those problems are, solve them 348 00:22:04,366 --> 00:22:08,718 and come to a consensus and we risk losing that. 349 00:22:09,502 --> 00:22:13,244 Now, the radical Left activists are trying to turn this 350 00:22:13,288 --> 00:22:15,899 into an argument about sexual politics, 351 00:22:15,943 --> 00:22:19,773 and it's only nominally about sexual politics. 352 00:22:19,816 --> 00:22:22,471 It's about language that's designed to control 353 00:22:22,515 --> 00:22:24,386 our freedom of expression. 354 00:22:24,430 --> 00:22:26,693 [group of people] Whoa. 355 00:22:26,736 --> 00:22:28,782 [over speaker] Shame on you... 356 00:22:28,825 --> 00:22:33,264 [Jordan] I'm asking each of you as individuals... 357 00:22:33,308 --> 00:22:36,659 -...a bigot like you. -[Jordan] To say clearly and carefully 358 00:22:36,703 --> 00:22:40,271 -what you have to say. -[group of people] Peterson. 359 00:22:40,315 --> 00:22:42,752 Let me just express my profound gratitude for what you're doing. 360 00:22:42,796 --> 00:22:43,971 -Thank you. -Thank you. 361 00:22:46,277 --> 00:22:48,367 [Jordan] That's okay. I've got a platform. 362 00:22:48,410 --> 00:22:50,281 YouTube seems to be doing just fine. 363 00:22:50,325 --> 00:22:52,632 -Yeah. -It's okay this sort of thing. 364 00:22:52,675 --> 00:22:55,809 There's no violence. As long as there's no violence, 365 00:22:55,852 --> 00:22:58,594 it's okay. And so, we'll see how this plays out. 366 00:22:58,638 --> 00:23:01,510 -Recognized by anybody. -[Jordan] How am I disrespecting you? 367 00:23:01,554 --> 00:23:05,122 By refusing to include language which is already in your vocabulary 368 00:23:05,166 --> 00:23:08,256 into like a sentence just when addressing somebody. 369 00:23:08,299 --> 00:23:12,478 That's just-- Well, it should be and it will be an act of hate. 370 00:23:12,521 --> 00:23:14,915 -That is ridiculous. -[Jordan] Yeah, that's for sure. 371 00:23:14,958 --> 00:23:18,397 Like that to me is you're denying somebody's identity 372 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,442 and that's fundamentally wrong. 373 00:23:20,486 --> 00:23:22,575 Well, you're more than entitled to your opinion. 374 00:23:22,618 --> 00:23:25,229 I think that the pathway that you're pursuing to obtain 375 00:23:25,273 --> 00:23:27,449 the rights you want will kick back hard 376 00:23:27,493 --> 00:23:29,320 and not in the direction you want it to. 377 00:23:29,364 --> 00:23:31,627 -I don't believe that because-- -Yeah, I know. 378 00:23:31,671 --> 00:23:33,629 -I think you're behind in the progression. -You might be right. 379 00:23:33,673 --> 00:23:36,110 The progression here is moving way faster than you are 380 00:23:36,153 --> 00:23:38,068 and for you to be like this far behind at this stage 381 00:23:38,112 --> 00:23:39,113 is kind of sad. 382 00:23:41,507 --> 00:23:43,378 Sure. Who are you? 383 00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:45,511 I'm Ethan. I'm a student at UCS. 384 00:23:45,554 --> 00:23:48,035 -How are you, Ethan? How are you doing? -I'm good. You? 385 00:23:48,078 --> 00:23:50,167 I really respect what you're doing. 386 00:23:52,518 --> 00:23:53,736 -Thanks. -No problem. 387 00:23:55,303 --> 00:23:56,435 Let's go upstairs. 388 00:23:59,742 --> 00:24:01,483 -[Jordan] Yeah, I know. -That's hilarious. 389 00:24:01,527 --> 00:24:03,572 -You think that's pretty funny? -Yes. 390 00:24:03,616 --> 00:24:07,097 The intense part was the fight over the-- 391 00:24:07,141 --> 00:24:09,012 -Speakers? -The speakers, yeah. 392 00:24:09,056 --> 00:24:11,754 -There was one guy there... -Yeah, it shouldn't-- 393 00:24:11,798 --> 00:24:14,670 ...who was that far from being violent. 394 00:24:14,714 --> 00:24:17,543 Oh really? On the other side? On your side? 395 00:24:17,586 --> 00:24:21,242 -Well... on my side. -Well, on the Right or the Left? 396 00:24:21,285 --> 00:24:24,245 -On the Right-- -You got to be careful there, kiddo. 397 00:24:24,288 --> 00:24:25,855 Okay, sorry. 398 00:24:25,899 --> 00:24:29,206 [crowd] Peterson. Peterson. Peterson. 399 00:24:29,250 --> 00:24:31,252 On all their faces. 400 00:24:31,295 --> 00:24:34,385 Don't smile on me, bitch. What do you want? 401 00:24:34,429 --> 00:24:38,433 Whoa, whoa, whoa. 402 00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:40,391 The Canadian psychology professor is somebody 403 00:24:40,435 --> 00:24:42,176 people love or love to hate. 404 00:24:42,219 --> 00:24:46,354 [crosstalk] 405 00:24:49,879 --> 00:24:52,099 I think one of the hottest topics in the country today, 406 00:24:52,142 --> 00:24:54,841 Professor Peterson, and it's all because of you. 407 00:24:56,277 --> 00:24:57,931 [slow music] 408 00:25:25,349 --> 00:25:28,527 [Lane Patriquin] I 've been doing specifically non- binary activism 409 00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:31,660 for about four years now, ever since I came out. 410 00:25:33,183 --> 00:25:36,970 That's mostly been online creating spaces 411 00:25:37,013 --> 00:25:40,451 like resource collection and creating education materials 412 00:25:40,495 --> 00:25:41,931 and making YouTube videos. 413 00:25:44,064 --> 00:25:46,588 My decision to not compromise my identity 414 00:25:46,632 --> 00:25:51,332 is very much a survival thing for me because of the level 415 00:25:51,375 --> 00:25:54,901 of depression and mental health, mental health issues 416 00:25:54,944 --> 00:25:59,601 that were caused by me trying to exist as female. 417 00:26:04,475 --> 00:26:06,608 We're here at the free speech counter protest 418 00:26:06,652 --> 00:26:09,132 to our "Please respect us as human beings protest." 419 00:26:09,176 --> 00:26:10,569 that we put on last week. 420 00:26:12,788 --> 00:26:16,009 The Jordan Peterson thing was the first protest I'd ever 421 00:26:16,052 --> 00:26:20,666 participated in or participated in arranging, rather. 422 00:26:22,189 --> 00:26:25,235 You have no idea if I'm your enemy, you have no idea about me. 423 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:27,586 [Lane] You won't use my pronoun, so I'm pretty sure you're my enemy. 424 00:26:27,629 --> 00:26:31,372 I know you think that, but I don't believe that using your pronouns 425 00:26:31,415 --> 00:26:34,636 is going to do you any good in the long run. I think it'll do quite the contrary. 426 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,205 [Lane] What the fuck? Is that your medical opinion? 427 00:26:38,248 --> 00:26:42,339 You are aware that non-binary people are valid in the American Psychological 428 00:26:42,383 --> 00:26:43,776 -Association? -This isn't about the non-binary people. 429 00:26:43,819 --> 00:26:45,560 -Yes, it is. -No, it's not. 430 00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:47,388 -It's about non-binary pronouns. -No, it's not. 431 00:26:48,737 --> 00:26:52,872 [Lane] This was one of the speakers who spoke at the rally 432 00:26:52,915 --> 00:26:56,963 in support of Jordan Peterson that my friends were involved in disrupting. 433 00:27:00,706 --> 00:27:02,708 [man] Do you think people love them? 434 00:27:02,751 --> 00:27:05,319 Do you think they're hugged and taken care of? 435 00:27:05,362 --> 00:27:08,322 -Do you think people love those people? -[man 2] Hallelujah. 436 00:27:08,365 --> 00:27:11,281 [man 1] Do you think that they're listened to? No! 437 00:27:11,325 --> 00:27:15,285 So, they believe these crazy inter-sexual cultural Marxist ideas. 438 00:27:16,156 --> 00:27:20,595 You're tattooing your body and cutting off your genitals. 439 00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:23,903 It shows the kinds of things that were being said at that and the reason 440 00:27:23,946 --> 00:27:27,254 why people thought that it was important to counter demonstrate that. 441 00:27:34,217 --> 00:27:37,481 It's really difficult to separate the thing 442 00:27:37,525 --> 00:27:40,615 with Jordan Peterson from the Trump election because 443 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:43,400 when I first got into it, I thought it was a blip. 444 00:27:43,444 --> 00:27:46,839 I thought it was just like some stupid thing that's happening 445 00:27:46,882 --> 00:27:49,189 and people think that people are getting overly confident 446 00:27:49,232 --> 00:27:50,930 because Trump's running for office. 447 00:27:50,973 --> 00:27:54,411 But once he loses, things will just kind of, 448 00:27:54,455 --> 00:27:58,328 go back to the-- you know, the way that they were before. 449 00:27:58,372 --> 00:28:00,983 [man] Donald Trump wins the presidency. 450 00:28:01,027 --> 00:28:03,682 The business tycoon and TV personality 451 00:28:03,725 --> 00:28:06,423 capping his improbable political journey 452 00:28:06,467 --> 00:28:09,600 with an astounding upset victory. Donald J... 453 00:28:09,644 --> 00:28:11,428 So, the rallies happened in early October 454 00:28:11,472 --> 00:28:13,953 and then Trump was elected in early November. 455 00:28:13,996 --> 00:28:16,564 And that really just-- 456 00:28:16,607 --> 00:28:20,046 if Peterson was the spark then the Trump election 457 00:28:20,089 --> 00:28:22,222 was like the fire that really galvanized it. 458 00:28:22,265 --> 00:28:25,268 People who were on Peterson's side, or whatever, were wearing 459 00:28:25,312 --> 00:28:28,619 MAGA hats and like saying all these, kind of like, Trumpist's slogans. 460 00:28:28,663 --> 00:28:30,665 The groups of people who were supporting Peterson, 461 00:28:30,709 --> 00:28:33,755 were going to be an ongoing political identity. 462 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:35,757 [indistinct chatter] 463 00:28:35,801 --> 00:28:37,367 [slow music] 464 00:28:56,386 --> 00:29:00,913 [Jordan] Dear dad, I don't completely understand the driving force 465 00:29:00,956 --> 00:29:02,958 behind what I have been working on. 466 00:29:04,481 --> 00:29:07,963 I'd been obsessed with the idea of war for three or four years, 467 00:29:08,007 --> 00:29:10,792 often dreaming extremely violent dreams 468 00:29:10,836 --> 00:29:13,664 centered around the theme of destruction. 469 00:29:13,708 --> 00:29:17,364 I believe now that my concern with death on a mass scale 470 00:29:17,407 --> 00:29:19,888 was intimately tied into my personal life. 471 00:29:22,804 --> 00:29:25,676 Carl Jung has suggested that all personal problems 472 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,678 are relevant to society 473 00:29:27,722 --> 00:29:30,290 and that any sufficiently profound solution 474 00:29:30,333 --> 00:29:32,945 to a personal problem may, if communicated, 475 00:29:32,988 --> 00:29:35,730 reduce the likelihood of that problem existing 476 00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:38,341 in anyone else's experience in the future. 477 00:29:38,951 --> 00:29:42,432 I had a notion that confronting what terrified me, 478 00:29:42,476 --> 00:29:45,348 what turned my dreams against me could help me 479 00:29:45,392 --> 00:29:47,350 withstand that terrible thing. 480 00:29:48,482 --> 00:29:50,701 This idea allowed me to believe 481 00:29:50,745 --> 00:29:53,400 that I could find what I most wanted 482 00:29:53,443 --> 00:29:56,707 if I was willing to follow wherever it led me. 483 00:29:56,751 --> 00:29:59,319 Knowing somehow that once started, 484 00:29:59,362 --> 00:30:01,234 an aborted attempt would destroy, 485 00:30:01,277 --> 00:30:03,584 at least my self-respect, 486 00:30:03,627 --> 00:30:05,542 at most my sanity. 487 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:19,556 [Walter Peterson] I knew that he had been bothered by bad dreams 488 00:30:21,210 --> 00:30:24,823 and was very conscientious about what was going on in the world 489 00:30:25,867 --> 00:30:28,217 and for a while thought he could solve it with 490 00:30:29,044 --> 00:30:31,612 political action, and that disappeared. 491 00:30:32,743 --> 00:30:36,835 Then he seemed to kind of take a route that led him into, 492 00:30:37,531 --> 00:30:39,489 you know, why were there wars? 493 00:30:39,533 --> 00:30:44,103 Why was man so damn miserable to each other? 494 00:30:49,412 --> 00:30:51,458 [Jordan] My experience with students has been 495 00:30:51,501 --> 00:30:53,590 that none of them know anything about what happened 496 00:30:53,634 --> 00:30:55,984 as a consequence of the repression 497 00:30:56,028 --> 00:30:59,074 of the radical Left in the 20th century. 498 00:30:59,118 --> 00:31:01,555 The reason that I believe that this is important 499 00:31:01,598 --> 00:31:05,037 in a personality class is because it's necessary 500 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,909 to analyze the relationship between 501 00:31:07,953 --> 00:31:12,392 the psychological integrity of the individuals within a society 502 00:31:12,435 --> 00:31:15,917 and the propensity of that society to engage 503 00:31:15,961 --> 00:31:20,269 -in say, acts of mass atrocity. -[woman] The Joe Rogan Experience. 504 00:31:20,313 --> 00:31:21,967 [Jordan] I have this class called Maps of Meaning, 505 00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:24,360 which concentrates on atrocity basically, 506 00:31:24,404 --> 00:31:28,582 on Soviet atrocity and Nazi atrocity mostly. 507 00:31:28,625 --> 00:31:31,802 And what I try to do in the class is to teach my students 508 00:31:31,846 --> 00:31:34,588 that had they been in Nazi Germany in the 1930s, 509 00:31:34,631 --> 00:31:37,721 they would have been Nazis and had they been offered 510 00:31:37,765 --> 00:31:40,724 the opportunity to be an Auschwitz camp guard, 511 00:31:40,768 --> 00:31:42,683 then maybe they would have leapt at it. 512 00:31:42,726 --> 00:31:46,905 Maybe they would've been in the more sadistic proportion 513 00:31:46,948 --> 00:31:49,255 of the Auschwitz camp guard population. 514 00:31:49,298 --> 00:31:51,561 You think that makes you feel safe? 515 00:31:51,605 --> 00:31:53,955 It doesn't make you feel safe to know that Nazis 516 00:31:53,999 --> 00:31:56,479 were humans and you happen to be one of them. 517 00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:10,972 I guess we didn't talk about this one. 518 00:32:12,843 --> 00:32:16,325 That's not a copy, that's an original. 519 00:32:16,369 --> 00:32:20,199 And that's-- there's a bit of the statue of David in this one, 520 00:32:20,242 --> 00:32:24,681 I think because the hands are quite exaggerated in size, 521 00:32:24,725 --> 00:32:28,207 you know, and that at least in principle, gives the figure 522 00:32:28,250 --> 00:32:31,558 more power because hands are so powerful. 523 00:32:31,601 --> 00:32:34,822 I mean, obviously he's about-- on a podium, 524 00:32:34,865 --> 00:32:37,390 he's about the same size as me in representation, 525 00:32:37,433 --> 00:32:40,175 but his hands are at least fifty percent bigger 526 00:32:40,219 --> 00:32:42,525 than they would be in real life. 527 00:32:42,569 --> 00:32:45,354 So, it's kind of an interesting technique. 528 00:32:46,138 --> 00:32:50,229 So, people ask me, sometimes people are shocked 529 00:32:50,272 --> 00:32:53,710 when they come into the house because I've got 530 00:32:53,754 --> 00:32:56,104 paintings of Lenin. It's not like, I don't know, 531 00:32:56,148 --> 00:33:00,239 he was an absolutely murderous tyrant, but... 532 00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:07,420 I want to understand it. 533 00:33:07,463 --> 00:33:09,335 I think I scared my wife half to death 534 00:33:09,378 --> 00:33:12,338 when I was buying them though because, you know... 535 00:33:12,381 --> 00:33:14,035 you have to be pretty... 536 00:33:15,689 --> 00:33:18,909 not easily worried to not be concerned if your husband 537 00:33:18,953 --> 00:33:21,129 goes and buys like five hundred paintings. 538 00:33:21,173 --> 00:33:24,524 But she really likes art, so it wasn't that big a struggle. 539 00:33:24,567 --> 00:33:30,008 So... we can go and look in the living room. 540 00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:35,013 There is good old Karl. 541 00:33:35,926 --> 00:33:39,843 My daughter... [laughs] for Christmas one year 542 00:33:39,887 --> 00:33:44,892 she found like a plush doll that was Karl Marx 543 00:33:44,935 --> 00:33:48,765 at some intellectual kid's toy store 544 00:33:48,809 --> 00:33:52,639 and he was on sale for 50% off. So, she bought me that for Christmas, 545 00:33:52,682 --> 00:33:56,251 which I thought was real funny because it's one thing to buy 546 00:33:56,295 --> 00:33:59,689 Soviet era artifacts online for nothing 547 00:33:59,733 --> 00:34:03,128 in this capitalist market, which I thought was extremely hilarious. 548 00:34:03,171 --> 00:34:08,002 But to buy a 50% off Karl Marx doll, that was just exactly perfect. 549 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:09,177 So... 550 00:34:10,657 --> 00:34:12,267 [slow music] 551 00:34:32,026 --> 00:34:35,551 -[Tammy] There's a message from the event organizers. -[Jordan] Yeah. 552 00:34:35,595 --> 00:34:37,684 Says, "We're dealing with a crisis at the moment 553 00:34:37,727 --> 00:34:39,773 regarding the risk management department, 554 00:34:39,816 --> 00:34:42,906 possibly pulling our approval to run the event. 555 00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:45,083 I'm trying very hard to make sure this doesn't happen, 556 00:34:45,126 --> 00:34:48,086 but we'll need to discuss with Dr. Peterson how we can proceed 557 00:34:48,129 --> 00:34:51,089 -if this occurs for ten minutes." -I'll fucking go anyways. 558 00:34:51,132 --> 00:34:52,873 [Tammy] He's probably going to call you-- 559 00:34:52,916 --> 00:34:55,571 -I'm going to call him. -Okay. 560 00:34:55,615 --> 00:34:58,748 -[man] Hello? -Hi, there. It's Dr. Peterson calling. 561 00:34:59,967 --> 00:35:03,013 Yeah and who are-- who is the risk management office? 562 00:35:05,755 --> 00:35:07,279 Well, what needs to be done here-- 563 00:35:07,975 --> 00:35:10,282 I need the names and phone numbers of the people 564 00:35:10,325 --> 00:35:11,935 who are making this decision. 565 00:35:11,979 --> 00:35:13,459 -Yup. -[man] All right. 566 00:35:13,502 --> 00:35:17,245 Bye, bye. Scum rats. 567 00:35:18,507 --> 00:35:21,815 The risk management office is thinking about pulling their permission. 568 00:35:21,858 --> 00:35:24,426 -[Tammy] Yeah. -If they go ahead with it, then they cancel them 569 00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:27,125 -as a club for the next year. -You're kidding. 570 00:35:27,168 --> 00:35:29,910 -No. -That's threatening. 571 00:35:29,953 --> 00:35:32,086 -That's a-- -That's called blackmail. 572 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:33,870 Blackmail, that's it. Yeah. 573 00:35:36,264 --> 00:35:38,266 -That made me mad. -Yeah, I see that. 574 00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:43,141 Yeah... Shaken again. Oh, well. 575 00:35:52,715 --> 00:35:54,195 [Tammy] Did you want to drink a juice? 576 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,589 Yeah. Thanks. 577 00:35:58,330 --> 00:36:01,289 -Some tea would be nice. -You're getting juice. 578 00:36:01,333 --> 00:36:03,596 -Okay. -[Tammy laughs] 579 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,948 Think it's safe to wear a tie? 580 00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:11,299 -Why, you think they'll strangle you with it? -Strangle me with it? 581 00:36:11,343 --> 00:36:13,562 -Yeah, sure. -[Jordan laughs] 582 00:36:13,606 --> 00:36:18,219 I don't-- I don't see it being anything really. 583 00:36:18,263 --> 00:36:20,308 -Just a lot of-- -You think it's a lot of noise? 584 00:36:20,352 --> 00:36:22,397 -A lot of fluff. Yeah. -Yeah, probably. 585 00:36:22,441 --> 00:36:26,706 [indistinct chatter] 586 00:36:26,749 --> 00:36:29,578 [man] All right. Listen up. Listen, listen. 587 00:36:29,622 --> 00:36:33,191 Security services is in this building. We've been working with them for a while. 588 00:36:33,234 --> 00:36:36,759 We have officers outside. So, please, everyone, if we could be respectful-- 589 00:36:36,803 --> 00:36:40,894 [group of people] Transphobic piece of shit. Transphobic piece of shit. 590 00:36:40,937 --> 00:36:43,766 Transphobic piece of shit. Transphobic piece of shit. 591 00:36:43,810 --> 00:36:47,596 [another group of people] This is where we draw the line. This is where we draw the line. 592 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,426 This is where we draw the line. This is where we draw the line. 593 00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:54,777 This is where we draw the line. This is where we draw the line. 594 00:36:54,821 --> 00:36:59,129 Let him speak. Let him speak. Let him speak. 595 00:36:59,173 --> 00:37:02,829 Let him speak. Let him speak. Let him speak. 596 00:37:02,872 --> 00:37:06,485 -So, I've received-- -[air horn honks] 597 00:37:06,528 --> 00:37:09,705 Listen, you can honk that, but if you're definitely with it, 598 00:37:09,749 --> 00:37:11,925 -I will take it away from you, you understand? -What? 599 00:37:11,968 --> 00:37:13,970 Do you want me to take that? Not kidding. 600 00:37:14,014 --> 00:37:16,103 Freedom of speech, it applies to air horns too. 601 00:37:16,146 --> 00:37:18,540 -No, it doesn't apply definitely. -Oh, yes, it does. 602 00:37:18,584 --> 00:37:21,500 -Not kidding. I will take it. -Yours words hurt my ears. 603 00:37:21,543 --> 00:37:24,285 My snowflake ears are hurt by your hard words. 604 00:37:26,331 --> 00:37:30,857 [woman] Shut down Peterson. Shut down Peterson. 605 00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:36,515 [group of people] Shut down Peterson. Shut down Peterson. 606 00:37:36,558 --> 00:37:39,909 Shut down Peterson. Shut down Peterson. 607 00:37:39,953 --> 00:37:42,260 [tension music] 608 00:37:42,303 --> 00:37:45,480 [Jordan] Okay. Well, thanks guys for tuning in 609 00:37:45,524 --> 00:37:47,221 and again for offering support 610 00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:48,918 for the continued operation 611 00:37:48,962 --> 00:37:50,268 of my YouTube channel. 612 00:37:52,705 --> 00:37:55,098 We're in a chaotic time and you know I've gotten letters 613 00:37:55,142 --> 00:37:56,839 from people all over the world who tell me 614 00:37:56,883 --> 00:37:59,102 how they can't say what they think. 615 00:38:01,366 --> 00:38:02,802 Jordan Peterson. 616 00:38:02,845 --> 00:38:04,412 [applauses] 617 00:38:05,805 --> 00:38:10,331 [man] Jordan Peterson, the unprecedented international, 618 00:38:10,375 --> 00:38:12,246 media phenomenal. 619 00:38:13,552 --> 00:38:17,338 Is any of this, all the pressure and the scandal 620 00:38:17,382 --> 00:38:19,949 every three weeks, is it weigh on you? 621 00:38:19,993 --> 00:38:23,475 Yeah. It's like simultaneously the worst possible thing 622 00:38:23,518 --> 00:38:25,433 and the best possible thing that could happen. 623 00:38:25,477 --> 00:38:28,349 Well, financially it's been a boom, right? 624 00:38:28,393 --> 00:38:31,265 I shouldn't say this, but I'm going to because it's just so God damn funny, 625 00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:34,964 I can't help but say it. I figured out how to monetize social justice warriors. 626 00:38:35,008 --> 00:38:37,010 [laughs] 627 00:38:37,837 --> 00:38:41,449 [man] This is Sam Harris. And today, I am speaking with a guest 628 00:38:41,493 --> 00:38:45,148 who has become quite famous online for standing 629 00:38:45,192 --> 00:38:47,934 in opposition to changes to the human rights code 630 00:38:47,977 --> 00:38:49,239 in Ontario, Canada. 631 00:38:49,283 --> 00:38:50,850 And he's actually 632 00:38:50,893 --> 00:38:52,939 the most requested guest 633 00:38:52,982 --> 00:38:55,855 - I have had at this point. -[woman] Head northwest. 634 00:38:56,551 --> 00:38:59,902 Hi, all. Are you coming to the talk? 635 00:38:59,946 --> 00:39:02,688 -[young man] What time is it? -Six thirty. 636 00:39:02,731 --> 00:39:04,211 Six thirty? I'll be there. 637 00:39:04,254 --> 00:39:05,560 Looking forward to it. 638 00:39:06,909 --> 00:39:09,999 -Jeez, I'm a name brand guy. -[Tammy] Are you? 639 00:39:10,043 --> 00:39:12,524 [Jordan] Yeah, it's pretty fucking weird. 640 00:39:14,395 --> 00:39:15,962 [ping-pong ball bouncing] 641 00:39:17,964 --> 00:39:21,924 -Oh, you're fast. Eighteen-ten. -[laughs] 642 00:39:26,276 --> 00:39:27,365 [Jordan] Eleven. 643 00:39:32,761 --> 00:39:35,373 [Julian] The public response has been overwhelmingly positive, 644 00:39:35,416 --> 00:39:38,071 so I think that's given him like steam. You know, 645 00:39:38,114 --> 00:39:41,683 it's-- it's made it easier for him to just keep at it. 646 00:39:41,727 --> 00:39:44,338 [Tammy] And I was really stressed at the beginning. 647 00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:46,601 That was a big decision for him to speak out. 648 00:39:46,645 --> 00:39:49,865 I would say that though a lot of the credit 649 00:39:49,909 --> 00:39:53,826 goes to Mikhaila because Mikhaila helped him with his diet. 650 00:39:54,566 --> 00:39:56,698 This as we shall discover 651 00:39:57,569 --> 00:40:00,441 is kind of the family curse in the Peterson family, isn't it? 652 00:40:00,485 --> 00:40:02,574 You have had depression yourself. 653 00:40:02,617 --> 00:40:04,837 -It's one of the family curses. -[laughs] 654 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,448 You've been dealing with depression yourself for... 655 00:40:07,492 --> 00:40:09,494 much of your life, right? Since, when did you? 656 00:40:09,537 --> 00:40:12,192 That's-- that's hard to say. I mean... 657 00:40:12,235 --> 00:40:14,412 it might've been for my whole life, 658 00:40:14,455 --> 00:40:16,152 like as far back as I can remember. 659 00:40:16,196 --> 00:40:17,763 I know that when I was a child, 660 00:40:17,806 --> 00:40:20,418 I had a very low threshold for tears. 661 00:40:22,332 --> 00:40:25,118 Last September I went on an elimination diet 662 00:40:25,161 --> 00:40:29,470 and then just out of the blue, like two months into the diet, 663 00:40:29,514 --> 00:40:33,213 my depression went away. And I wasn't expecting that to happen 664 00:40:33,256 --> 00:40:36,216 because I thought, you know, chemical imbalance 665 00:40:36,259 --> 00:40:39,306 is what doctors tell you. I just thought that I was stuck with it forever. 666 00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:42,440 I made a list of all the foods I knew didn't cause depression 667 00:40:42,483 --> 00:40:45,312 and I told dad that he had to do it. 668 00:40:45,355 --> 00:40:48,707 He was like, "Well, that doesn't sound realistic, 669 00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:51,318 but I'll give it a try because it worked for you." 670 00:40:51,361 --> 00:40:55,627 I used to get up in the morning. I get up at 5:30, 6:30, 7:00, 671 00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:59,892 sometime like that. I'd do some yoga, I'd have some tea, 672 00:40:59,935 --> 00:41:02,547 I'd read a book, and make some breakfast. I'd call Jordan. 673 00:41:04,505 --> 00:41:07,595 Then I'd call Jordan and he couldn't get up. 674 00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:12,121 It was hard and now, like I wake up, really early 675 00:41:12,165 --> 00:41:15,864 and I sneak out of the room and I sneak upstairs 676 00:41:15,908 --> 00:41:18,998 and I'm being really quiet and then I hear, "Tammy." 677 00:41:19,041 --> 00:41:21,174 I say, "Yeah." "What time is it?" 678 00:41:21,217 --> 00:41:23,306 "It's quarter to 6:00." 679 00:41:23,350 --> 00:41:26,658 "Oh, are you doing yoga?" "Yeah." 680 00:41:26,701 --> 00:41:28,137 "Okay. I'll be right up." 681 00:41:28,181 --> 00:41:31,271 That never happened. 682 00:41:31,314 --> 00:41:33,578 In my 28 years of being married, 683 00:41:33,621 --> 00:41:36,319 that's never happened. 684 00:41:36,363 --> 00:41:41,629 -It's been a remarkable transformation. -Yeah, for sure. 685 00:41:41,673 --> 00:41:43,588 [Tammy] He used to talk like a revolutionary, 686 00:41:43,631 --> 00:41:45,546 but now he acts like one.[laughs] 687 00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:46,504 [Julian] Yeah. 688 00:41:48,114 --> 00:41:49,724 [soft music] 689 00:42:02,171 --> 00:42:05,392 So, I thought to bring full closure to the class. 690 00:42:05,435 --> 00:42:09,657 I was trying to solve this terrible puzzle 691 00:42:09,701 --> 00:42:13,095 about how it was that human beings got themselves in such 692 00:42:13,139 --> 00:42:14,923 a tangle about what they believed, 693 00:42:14,967 --> 00:42:17,099 such a tangle that we were pointing 694 00:42:17,143 --> 00:42:19,841 the ultimate weapons of destruction at one another. 695 00:42:19,885 --> 00:42:22,409 And it seemed to me that the proper solution to that 696 00:42:22,452 --> 00:42:23,845 was to live properly 697 00:42:25,543 --> 00:42:28,110 as an individual because you're more powerful than you think. 698 00:42:28,807 --> 00:42:30,678 Way more powerful than you think. 699 00:42:30,722 --> 00:42:33,899 God only knows what you are in the final analysis. 700 00:42:33,942 --> 00:42:36,249 It's like how far could you take that if you stopped wasting 701 00:42:36,292 --> 00:42:38,773 time and if you stopped lying and if you oriented yourself 702 00:42:38,817 --> 00:42:41,950 to the highest possible good that you could conceive of 703 00:42:41,994 --> 00:42:45,084 and you committed to that. How much good could you do? 704 00:42:49,784 --> 00:42:52,700 There's so much more than just like intellectual ideas. 705 00:42:52,744 --> 00:42:56,748 This is why also on your Joe Rogan podcast, 706 00:42:56,791 --> 00:42:59,141 why it was like, "Oh everything is going to be online 707 00:42:59,185 --> 00:43:01,404 and that's great." It's like, "No, that's nice. 708 00:43:01,448 --> 00:43:03,885 That's a good thought. But we need people, 709 00:43:03,929 --> 00:43:06,322 we need like embodied people in front of us 710 00:43:06,366 --> 00:43:08,847 like this or like the person." So-- 711 00:43:08,890 --> 00:43:11,066 That's interesting. That gives me something to think about too 712 00:43:11,110 --> 00:43:14,417 because I'm trying to figure out how many talks I should go to 713 00:43:14,461 --> 00:43:16,332 and I keep it there. 714 00:43:16,376 --> 00:43:19,640 [Ceci] People need to see and to like shake your hand 715 00:43:19,684 --> 00:43:22,425 and to like-- or just like people need to be around people. 716 00:43:23,644 --> 00:43:24,993 -Okay. I get it. -We're not vessels. 717 00:43:25,037 --> 00:43:27,039 Yeah, I get it. 718 00:43:27,082 --> 00:43:31,391 Yeah. Thank you for, keep on, keeping on. 719 00:43:31,434 --> 00:43:33,001 [Jordan] Oh, yeah. 720 00:43:33,045 --> 00:43:34,568 [soft music] 721 00:43:43,969 --> 00:43:47,712 [man] University of Toronto Professor Jordan Peterson has become a true phenomenon. 722 00:43:47,755 --> 00:43:49,757 That's not an overstatement. His book, 723 00:43:49,801 --> 00:43:51,803 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos 724 00:43:51,846 --> 00:43:53,587 may just be the biggest bestseller 725 00:43:53,631 --> 00:43:55,023 ever written by a Canadian author. 726 00:43:55,067 --> 00:43:56,546 [applauses] 727 00:43:58,374 --> 00:44:00,725 [Dave Rubin] Yeah. Welcome, guys. Now, the book is just blowing up. 728 00:44:00,768 --> 00:44:03,815 Everything that this man is doing is just absolutely 729 00:44:03,858 --> 00:44:10,038 exploding and you're in the right kind of revolution. I really believe that. 730 00:44:10,082 --> 00:44:12,737 You guys are in another bloody revolution. 731 00:44:12,780 --> 00:44:14,652 [applauses] 732 00:44:15,870 --> 00:44:18,873 [Dave] Yeah, you're in on the idea revolution. 733 00:44:18,917 --> 00:44:22,529 [Jordan] Rule seven is to do what's meaningful and not what is expedient 734 00:44:22,572 --> 00:44:24,879 and that's a lovely thing to know. 735 00:44:24,923 --> 00:44:26,968 It's allied tightly with rule eight. 736 00:44:27,012 --> 00:44:28,753 The two go together 737 00:44:28,796 --> 00:44:31,190 because you can't really do one without the other. 738 00:44:31,233 --> 00:44:33,845 Rule eight is to tell the truth or at least don't lie. 739 00:44:33,888 --> 00:44:36,151 One of the things that I think I figured out is that 740 00:44:36,195 --> 00:44:39,111 if you're going to follow the instinct for meaning, 741 00:44:39,154 --> 00:44:42,244 and I truly believe that there is an instinct for meaning, 742 00:44:42,288 --> 00:44:44,725 and not only that there is an instinct for meaning, 743 00:44:44,769 --> 00:44:47,728 but that it's the most real thing that there is. 744 00:44:47,772 --> 00:44:48,990 [soft music] 745 00:44:56,781 --> 00:44:58,870 I got a text from him and then he was like, 746 00:44:58,913 --> 00:45:00,610 "Hey, Jordan Peterson's coming to talk. 747 00:45:00,654 --> 00:45:02,525 You want to go see him?" I was like, 748 00:45:02,569 --> 00:45:04,614 "Yeah, let's go do that." 749 00:45:04,658 --> 00:45:06,355 And then I don't know, it kind of just fit in 750 00:45:06,399 --> 00:45:08,793 because my birthday was coming up shortly. 751 00:45:08,836 --> 00:45:10,925 [Connor] It's easy to go down the path of just, 752 00:45:10,969 --> 00:45:13,493 I'm good enough, I don't need to improve from here. 753 00:45:13,536 --> 00:45:17,802 And I think hearing him just saying 754 00:45:17,845 --> 00:45:21,631 that you owe it to yourself. You owe it to people in your community. 755 00:45:21,675 --> 00:45:24,852 That you do need to clean up your room, 756 00:45:24,896 --> 00:45:28,508 get your stuff together and make your community a better places. 757 00:45:28,551 --> 00:45:32,294 It's an important thing to be said in a time 758 00:45:32,338 --> 00:45:34,340 where I don't think it's said nearly as much. 759 00:45:34,383 --> 00:45:35,776 [Adam] Up until I had seen him, 760 00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:37,691 I was sort of drifting around, 761 00:45:37,735 --> 00:45:40,128 I would say. I was spending a lot of time 762 00:45:40,172 --> 00:45:42,870 just doing things that are in consequential 763 00:45:42,914 --> 00:45:45,786 and a bit unproductive. After following him and really learning 764 00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:49,572 about how to act in the world is what I would say he taught me to do 765 00:45:49,616 --> 00:45:53,402 and I just became a lot more aware of all of the things that I needed to change. 766 00:45:56,188 --> 00:45:59,713 Here's the book. I've reread it multiple times 767 00:45:59,757 --> 00:46:02,281 and reread specific passages of it, multiple times 768 00:46:02,324 --> 00:46:06,807 because this is sort of an iteration of his entire method. 769 00:46:06,851 --> 00:46:09,636 After you follow him this much, he sort of becomes like a legendary figure 770 00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:13,422 in your mind while also retaining an incredibly power. 771 00:46:13,466 --> 00:46:15,816 -Maybe just me, I just speak only for myself. -Yeah, I think. 772 00:46:15,860 --> 00:46:18,079 I mean legendary, yeah. 773 00:46:18,123 --> 00:46:20,952 I maybe going too far. 774 00:46:20,995 --> 00:46:23,955 Do I do that guys? I can't really judge it by myself. 775 00:46:23,998 --> 00:46:26,261 It's understandable if you hold a high opinion of someone 776 00:46:26,305 --> 00:46:29,047 and then you don't really-- Like you can't really talk about 777 00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:32,311 a lot of this stuff at school especially. We're at an art school. 778 00:46:32,354 --> 00:46:35,793 You can't talk about a lot of this stuff. So... 779 00:46:35,836 --> 00:46:38,230 when you finally talk about someone you have a high opinion of, 780 00:46:38,273 --> 00:46:41,450 you can go like further than you actually feel. 781 00:46:41,494 --> 00:46:46,412 Yeah, and I agree. I have been doing that a little bit, 782 00:46:46,455 --> 00:46:49,502 but I don't think I'm going that far. I mean, he's had a huge effect 783 00:46:49,545 --> 00:46:51,460 and I really don't want to understate that. 784 00:46:51,504 --> 00:46:54,028 [soft music] 785 00:46:54,072 --> 00:46:59,773 [Liam] Yeah, I know. Yeah. One question and that's it. 786 00:46:59,817 --> 00:47:01,906 [host] Ladies and gentlemen, Dr. Jordan Peterson. 787 00:47:01,949 --> 00:47:03,690 [applauses] 788 00:47:08,956 --> 00:47:12,264 -[Jordan] Hi, Matthew. -[Matthew] It's such an honor. I got to thank you so much. 789 00:47:12,307 --> 00:47:14,701 You've helped me improve my relationship with my father. 790 00:47:14,744 --> 00:47:18,531 You've helped me rekindle my faith in religion. 791 00:47:18,574 --> 00:47:22,578 And one of the best things is you have given me the courage 792 00:47:22,622 --> 00:47:25,973 to stand up for my conservative and libertarian beliefs in the classroom. 793 00:47:26,017 --> 00:47:29,324 -How's that working out? -Oh, the history teacher's mad. 794 00:47:29,368 --> 00:47:31,457 -Yeah? -[all laughing] 795 00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:35,896 But we've got a few kids in our class 796 00:47:35,940 --> 00:47:38,638 keeping the Neo-Marxist history teacher in check. 797 00:47:40,596 --> 00:47:43,730 There's just a few students there. They're all watching him, 798 00:47:43,773 --> 00:47:47,690 making sure he doesn't like say anything out of line. 799 00:47:47,734 --> 00:47:50,128 -It's quite funny. -[Jordan] It's hilarious. 800 00:47:50,171 --> 00:47:53,305 -We all watch you. We all watch Ben Shapiro. -God, he must just hate me. 801 00:47:53,348 --> 00:47:56,699 -That's great. Let's get a picture. -It's really good to meet you. 802 00:47:56,743 --> 00:47:58,179 -You're getting sharp? -Yeah. 803 00:47:58,223 --> 00:47:59,746 [Jordan] Good. 804 00:47:59,789 --> 00:48:01,704 Say "Hi." to your friends for me. 805 00:48:01,748 --> 00:48:05,360 Tell them to keep it up and to be gentle. All right. 806 00:48:07,145 --> 00:48:08,668 -Hello. Hi. -What's your name? 807 00:48:08,711 --> 00:48:10,235 -Connor. -Hi, Connor. 808 00:48:10,278 --> 00:48:11,889 -Wow. -How are you doing? 809 00:48:11,932 --> 00:48:14,456 -[all laugh] -Did you enjoy the talk? 810 00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:17,459 -Yeah, definitely. -Good. What are you doing here? 811 00:48:17,503 --> 00:48:19,113 I came here to see you. 812 00:48:19,157 --> 00:48:20,985 Have you been watching videos? 813 00:48:21,028 --> 00:48:23,944 Yeah, since 2016. 814 00:48:24,727 --> 00:48:26,947 Just you are a lot taller than I expected. 815 00:48:26,991 --> 00:48:29,515 I'm not even standing up straight. 816 00:48:29,558 --> 00:48:31,865 -[people laughing] -[photographer] Shoulders back. 817 00:48:31,909 --> 00:48:35,434 Right. All right. Okay. Good to meet you, man. 818 00:48:35,477 --> 00:48:38,089 -I'm glad you came. -[photographer] One, two, three. 819 00:48:39,177 --> 00:48:41,396 Yeah. This is so fantastic. 820 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,877 [photographer] When you're ready. One, two, three. 821 00:48:45,139 --> 00:48:47,968 My name's Anthony. I just want to say thanks for everything. 822 00:48:48,012 --> 00:48:49,883 -No problem, man. -You've done so much for me 823 00:48:49,927 --> 00:48:51,406 and I really, really appreciate it. 824 00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:53,017 Great, man. I'm thrilled to hear it. 825 00:48:53,060 --> 00:48:54,322 -Thank you. -You bet. 826 00:48:54,366 --> 00:48:56,194 Just meeting him just-- 827 00:48:56,237 --> 00:48:58,587 a lot of emotions came over me 828 00:48:58,631 --> 00:49:01,460 cause I've spent so much time in the dark 829 00:49:01,503 --> 00:49:03,549 and in bad places mentally that-- 830 00:49:03,592 --> 00:49:08,771 that's it's really not easy to find-- not so much heroes, 831 00:49:08,815 --> 00:49:11,905 but people that can be so helpful for you in your life. 832 00:49:11,949 --> 00:49:13,602 -Thank you. -It's a pleasure to meet you. 833 00:49:13,646 --> 00:49:16,779 -See you. -Hi, mate. How are you? 834 00:49:20,305 --> 00:49:23,177 I was at-- after my talk, it's overwhelming. 835 00:49:28,835 --> 00:49:31,359 I don't usually think about these things, but I was-- 836 00:49:31,403 --> 00:49:34,275 it after my talk last night and so all these people line up 837 00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:37,235 and you know, they have their 15 seconds with me. 838 00:49:37,278 --> 00:49:39,454 They're kind of tentative. They're excited and attentive 839 00:49:39,498 --> 00:49:42,109 when they come up to talk to me and then they have 15 seconds 840 00:49:42,153 --> 00:49:44,459 of time to tell me something. I'm really listening to them 841 00:49:44,503 --> 00:49:47,462 and they're hesitant about whether or not to share 842 00:49:47,506 --> 00:49:49,551 the good news about their life, you know. 843 00:49:49,595 --> 00:49:53,773 And I think it's often because when people share 844 00:49:53,816 --> 00:49:59,344 good news about their life, people don't necessarily respond positively. 845 00:49:59,387 --> 00:50:03,870 They don't get encouragement and people need so little encouragement. 846 00:50:03,913 --> 00:50:05,611 -Yeah. -It's just unbelievable. 847 00:50:09,658 --> 00:50:13,140 The truth is something that burns, it burns off deadwood 848 00:50:13,184 --> 00:50:15,751 and people don't like having their dead wood burned off. 849 00:50:15,795 --> 00:50:17,144 Keep talking, bucko. 850 00:50:18,145 --> 00:50:19,799 Sort yourself out. 851 00:50:22,454 --> 00:50:26,588 The more responsibility you take on, the more meaning your life has. 852 00:50:26,632 --> 00:50:30,549 I've been telling people online in various ways, 853 00:50:30,592 --> 00:50:34,814 in the lectures that they should start fixing up the world by cleaning up their room. 854 00:50:36,598 --> 00:50:39,297 Imagine you're dealing with someone who's hoarding. 855 00:50:39,340 --> 00:50:41,429 There's like ten thousand things in their house. 856 00:50:41,473 --> 00:50:43,997 There's maybe a hundred boxes and you open up a box 857 00:50:44,041 --> 00:50:47,000 and in the box there's some pens, and some old passports, 858 00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:50,482 and some checks, and their collection of silver dollars, 859 00:50:50,525 --> 00:50:52,788 and there's boxes, and boxes, and boxes. 860 00:50:52,832 --> 00:50:55,052 It's absolute chaos in there. 861 00:50:55,095 --> 00:50:57,402 Absolute chaos, not ordered, chaos. 862 00:50:58,533 --> 00:51:01,928 And then you think, "Is that their houses or is that their being? 863 00:51:01,971 --> 00:51:05,627 Is that their mind?" And the answer is there's no difference. 864 00:51:05,671 --> 00:51:08,456 There's no difference. So, you know, I could say, 865 00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:10,589 "Well, if you want to organize your psyche, 866 00:51:10,632 --> 00:51:12,721 you could start by organizing your room." 867 00:51:18,771 --> 00:51:22,905 So, people have been taking the things that I've been saying 868 00:51:22,949 --> 00:51:25,256 and making them into merchandise. 869 00:51:26,648 --> 00:51:29,782 These are bumper stickers that someone sent me. 870 00:51:31,218 --> 00:51:34,526 It's a book. I don't know how many of them, but quite a few. 871 00:51:35,309 --> 00:51:39,226 "Clean your room," which has become some kind of an internet meme. 872 00:51:40,793 --> 00:51:42,882 They'd be horrified to see this room. 873 00:51:43,622 --> 00:51:46,059 This is the only room in the house that's messy. 874 00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:49,932 Can't really keep up with everything. 875 00:51:49,976 --> 00:51:53,110 That'll teach me, be mouthy about cleaning up your room. 876 00:51:58,158 --> 00:52:00,813 "I can't possibly express how grateful I am to you 877 00:52:00,856 --> 00:52:03,076 for all the ways you have and continue to help me. 878 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,166 What you are doing for society is really important." 879 00:52:06,210 --> 00:52:08,734 I don't know what to make of it. It's all part of the same 880 00:52:08,777 --> 00:52:13,260 strange thing I suppose whatever that thing is. 881 00:52:13,304 --> 00:52:15,958 Sharp. That goes here. 882 00:52:17,525 --> 00:52:18,961 What have we got here? 883 00:52:21,442 --> 00:52:23,096 Oh, let's just see-- 884 00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:30,234 that's a poster that someone spent an awful lot of time making, 885 00:52:30,277 --> 00:52:32,932 which is-- well, I don't even know what to say about that. 886 00:52:34,412 --> 00:52:35,978 [tension music] 887 00:52:53,909 --> 00:52:56,738 [Bernard] I first got to know Jordan when he applied for a job 888 00:52:56,782 --> 00:52:59,524 in psychology at the University of Toronto. 889 00:52:59,567 --> 00:53:00,786 That was about 20 years ago. 890 00:53:02,788 --> 00:53:05,965 After he was hired, I think it was a good hire. 891 00:53:06,008 --> 00:53:11,275 I mean, I remained his strong advocate for many years. 892 00:53:17,281 --> 00:53:19,892 So, this is the third floor of our house where Jordan 893 00:53:19,935 --> 00:53:22,677 and his family lived for about five months. 894 00:53:22,721 --> 00:53:27,073 It looked a little different then, but this is where it was. 895 00:53:27,116 --> 00:53:32,252 And... we all ate together downstairs. 896 00:53:32,296 --> 00:53:34,254 There was not a kitchen up here 897 00:53:34,298 --> 00:53:37,083 and we had kind of lovely five months. 898 00:53:37,126 --> 00:53:39,085 We got to know each other very well, 899 00:53:39,128 --> 00:53:41,218 got to know his family very well. 900 00:53:41,261 --> 00:53:46,005 And afterwards, it remained a kind of familial relationship. 901 00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:58,060 I didn't write this article to persuade Jordan of anything. 902 00:53:58,104 --> 00:54:00,628 I wrote this because I thought that there are people out there 903 00:54:00,672 --> 00:54:02,239 who should know what's going on. 904 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,204 What was extremely upsetting to me 905 00:54:11,248 --> 00:54:13,772 was the disregard for students 906 00:54:13,815 --> 00:54:16,731 and he was extremely polarizing 907 00:54:16,775 --> 00:54:20,648 at a time that more polarization was not helpful. 908 00:54:26,045 --> 00:54:27,916 [Jordan] Well, it caused grief, I would say 909 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,354 is the right way of thinking about it. 910 00:54:30,397 --> 00:54:33,226 I regard Bernie as a friend 911 00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:38,013 and he had been a very good, well, a good friend to me 912 00:54:38,057 --> 00:54:39,885 in all sorts of ways and to my family. 913 00:54:39,928 --> 00:54:43,192 So, it came out of the blue. 914 00:54:43,236 --> 00:54:45,978 That was the other thing. It was a real surprise. 915 00:54:46,021 --> 00:54:51,462 And I was surprised that we hadn't discussed any of this. 916 00:54:52,376 --> 00:54:55,814 [Bernard] I called him and I said, "You know, 917 00:54:55,857 --> 00:54:58,991 I'm really upset with what you're doing. I find it really--" 918 00:54:59,034 --> 00:55:01,863 I was having a blood pressure problem. I said, 919 00:55:01,907 --> 00:55:05,345 "I didn't want to talk about this, but I want you to know that I--" 920 00:55:05,389 --> 00:55:09,088 And I said all these things. He called me eight o'clock the next morning, 921 00:55:09,131 --> 00:55:12,265 "Bernie, we have to talk." So, we talk. 922 00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:15,573 He says, "I know this is a sensitive issue in your family." 923 00:55:15,616 --> 00:55:20,360 It's not. I have a trans daughter, but Jane's doing extremely well. 924 00:55:20,404 --> 00:55:24,364 I started saying, "No, what bothers me..." I'm about to repeat 925 00:55:24,408 --> 00:55:26,975 what I had written and he interrupts me and he says, 926 00:55:27,019 --> 00:55:29,630 "Bernie, you don't understand. 927 00:55:29,674 --> 00:55:33,504 I'm willing to give up everything because I really believe this. 928 00:55:33,547 --> 00:55:36,333 I'm willing to give up my job. I'm willing to give up..." 929 00:55:36,376 --> 00:55:38,465 I don't remember where else he put on the line, 930 00:55:38,509 --> 00:55:41,599 "...because I believe it." And then he says, 931 00:55:41,642 --> 00:55:45,429 "And Bernie, Tammy..." That's his wife. "...had a dream." 932 00:55:45,472 --> 00:55:47,387 I said, "Okay, what was the dream?" 933 00:55:47,431 --> 00:55:49,737 And sometimes your dreams are prophetic. 934 00:55:49,781 --> 00:55:54,176 What was the dream? She dreamed it was five minutes to midnight, 935 00:55:56,048 --> 00:56:02,924 the end of the world and Jordan is there to save us from that. 936 00:56:02,968 --> 00:56:05,884 I know Jordan pretty well by now and I'm saying, 937 00:56:05,927 --> 00:56:09,104 "Okay, Jordan. There's really nothing to talk about." 938 00:56:09,148 --> 00:56:11,759 And I hung up. 939 00:56:12,456 --> 00:56:17,025 So, it is true that he called me a number of times since then, 940 00:56:17,069 --> 00:56:22,335 many times, and I did not return the calls because he was on a roll. 941 00:56:22,379 --> 00:56:27,471 I was watching what he was doing. I thought he was getting nastier, angrier, 942 00:56:27,514 --> 00:56:30,343 and I saw that there was no reason to talk 943 00:56:30,387 --> 00:56:34,521 because I knew-- because I knew there was no access to Jordan 944 00:56:34,565 --> 00:56:39,352 except to say, "Jordan, you're doing a great thing 945 00:56:39,396 --> 00:56:41,180 and I believe what you're doing." 946 00:56:43,530 --> 00:56:46,925 I did not do this lightly. It's not something I would have liked to do 947 00:56:47,926 --> 00:56:52,060 and it's only the fact that so many people-- 948 00:56:52,104 --> 00:56:56,891 I'm getting these emails from people saying they're glad that I wrote it. 949 00:56:56,935 --> 00:57:00,329 That makes me feel okay, it was the right thing to do. 950 00:57:00,982 --> 00:57:03,855 "I am one of those female academics you refer to. 951 00:57:03,898 --> 00:57:07,685 I don't have tenure and I've completed my PhD late in life. 952 00:57:08,642 --> 00:57:13,473 My university has become polarized around the issues that Peterson speaks about, 953 00:57:13,517 --> 00:57:16,258 to express any opinion on Peterson's theories, 954 00:57:16,302 --> 00:57:20,349 places one firmly in a for or anti-camp. 955 00:57:20,393 --> 00:57:23,048 There is no reasoned critique camp. 956 00:57:23,091 --> 00:57:27,444 So, like a true coward, I watch what I say, 957 00:57:27,487 --> 00:57:30,098 and I stew in silence." 958 00:57:33,537 --> 00:57:37,802 I think that to some degree that it's true 959 00:57:37,845 --> 00:57:40,674 that I'm a polarizing figure. 960 00:57:40,718 --> 00:57:44,243 I'm a polarizing figure because I'm adamantly opposed 961 00:57:44,286 --> 00:57:47,725 to the collectivist notions of people on the Left and the Right 962 00:57:47,768 --> 00:57:52,164 and that produces a certain amount of polarization. 963 00:57:52,207 --> 00:57:55,428 But I don't think that that can be laid at my feet. 964 00:57:55,472 --> 00:57:58,910 I think it's part and parcel of the fact that we're in polarized times 965 00:57:58,953 --> 00:58:01,608 and I've done what I can when I thought it was necessary 966 00:58:01,652 --> 00:58:04,263 to pull that polarization back. 967 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,877 [Bernard] What I worry about is the preacher like quality of his. 968 00:58:09,921 --> 00:58:14,447 He's been interested in the authoritarian personality. 969 00:58:14,491 --> 00:58:19,234 He's be fascinated by the horrible people in history. 970 00:58:19,278 --> 00:58:22,760 His house is filled with Stalinist art. 971 00:58:22,803 --> 00:58:28,853 He says to remind him about the awful things of that culture. 972 00:58:28,896 --> 00:58:32,552 He has a number of YouTubes which he describes 973 00:58:32,596 --> 00:58:38,210 how they operate and he was doing exactly the same thing. 974 00:58:41,256 --> 00:58:43,084 I spent a lot of time thinking about Hitler 975 00:58:43,128 --> 00:58:45,652 and I was thinking, "Well, how do you get into 976 00:58:45,696 --> 00:58:48,350 a state like that you know?" And you think, 977 00:58:48,394 --> 00:58:52,833 "Well, he's a dictator and he led his people down a bad path." 978 00:58:52,877 --> 00:58:55,183 It's like, that's not right. That is not what happened. 979 00:58:56,533 --> 00:58:59,274 They had a conspiracy together 980 00:58:59,318 --> 00:59:01,886 and went down a bad path. Now, think about it this way, 981 00:59:03,322 --> 00:59:05,585 the crowd's not happy and neither are you 982 00:59:05,629 --> 00:59:08,545 and there's reason for it. You start talking to them. 983 00:59:08,588 --> 00:59:10,503 You don't know what you're upset about 984 00:59:10,547 --> 00:59:13,245 and neither does the crowd. You start to articulate 985 00:59:13,288 --> 00:59:15,073 some things about why you might be upset 986 00:59:15,116 --> 00:59:17,118 and some of them fall flat, 987 00:59:17,162 --> 00:59:19,904 but you're paying attention to the crowd. Some of the things 988 00:59:19,947 --> 00:59:22,602 make the crowd really wake up and listen. 989 00:59:22,646 --> 00:59:25,039 And so, you start saying more of those things, 990 00:59:25,083 --> 00:59:27,912 but it's not like you're sitting there saying, although you might be, 991 00:59:27,955 --> 00:59:30,828 "I'm going to tell this crowd more what it wants to hear." 992 00:59:30,871 --> 00:59:34,092 It's more sophisticated than that. And so, you do that 993 00:59:34,135 --> 00:59:38,096 a thousand times and you do that to ever increasing crowds. 994 00:59:38,139 --> 00:59:41,012 And the crowd really starts to go mad. 995 00:59:41,055 --> 00:59:44,406 And they basically tell you that you're the savior of the nation. 996 00:59:44,450 --> 00:59:48,367 It's like at what? How many bloody people have to tell you that 997 00:59:48,410 --> 00:59:50,238 before you start to believe it? 998 00:59:50,282 --> 00:59:52,589 [slow music] 999 01:00:05,036 --> 01:00:08,953 Franklin says, "Fans are cancer for the authentic individual." 1000 01:00:09,780 --> 01:00:13,348 Well, I guess what you're pointing out is the danger of fame. 1001 01:00:13,392 --> 01:00:15,655 I can't say I'm particularly comfortable with it, 1002 01:00:15,699 --> 01:00:18,005 which might seem to be rather hypocritical 1003 01:00:18,049 --> 01:00:21,835 as it isn't like I've shied away from exposing 1004 01:00:21,879 --> 01:00:24,272 my views in public. 1005 01:00:24,316 --> 01:00:26,405 However, I would say, 1006 01:00:26,448 --> 01:00:28,799 I think that's mostly because of the responsibility. 1007 01:00:28,842 --> 01:00:31,453 You know I've been terrified for a whole year 1008 01:00:31,497 --> 01:00:34,543 that I'd say something unforgivably stupid 1009 01:00:34,587 --> 01:00:36,894 and demolish myself in public 1010 01:00:36,937 --> 01:00:39,461 and feel guilty and horrible about that for the rest of my life. 1011 01:00:39,505 --> 01:00:42,551 I can't imagine what it would be like to be hated publicly. 1012 01:00:42,595 --> 01:00:45,511 I think that would just kill me. I really think that. 1013 01:00:49,602 --> 01:00:53,040 Our next guest is the kind of guy people either love or hate. 1014 01:00:53,084 --> 01:00:55,782 Clinical psychologist Jordan B. Peterson 1015 01:00:55,826 --> 01:00:58,785 has been described as one of the most influential thinkers 1016 01:00:58,829 --> 01:01:02,441 of our time, but also as an Alt-Right figurehead 1017 01:01:02,484 --> 01:01:04,356 who spouts conspiracies. 1018 01:01:04,399 --> 01:01:07,402 People associate you with pandering 1019 01:01:07,446 --> 01:01:10,449 -to like white supremacists. -I mean you are a provocateur. 1020 01:01:10,492 --> 01:01:13,104 -Yeah. I never say anything-- -You're like the Alt-Right that you hate to be compared to. 1021 01:01:13,147 --> 01:01:15,802 Because the political agenda that I opposed was being driven 1022 01:01:15,846 --> 01:01:17,412 by the people on the radical Left. 1023 01:01:17,456 --> 01:01:19,545 Those are the people that I've been... 1024 01:01:19,588 --> 01:01:21,721 taking to task, let's say. 1025 01:01:21,765 --> 01:01:25,856 Didn't expect that the initial reaction would be, 1026 01:01:25,899 --> 01:01:27,422 "Oh, you must be a Nazi." 1027 01:01:28,293 --> 01:01:31,731 -[man] We'll meet that with resistance. -Sorry. 1028 01:01:31,775 --> 01:01:35,474 My sense is generally speaking that if people want 1029 01:01:35,517 --> 01:01:37,519 to talk to me about what I'm doing, 1030 01:01:37,563 --> 01:01:40,522 then I talk to them. Now you might say, 1031 01:01:40,566 --> 01:01:42,307 "Well, be careful who you talk to." 1032 01:01:42,350 --> 01:01:44,309 It's like, well, fair enough. 1033 01:01:46,790 --> 01:01:48,705 And then one last thing, 1034 01:01:48,748 --> 01:01:52,926 I'm not exactly sure what to make of the Alt-Right and-- 1035 01:01:58,149 --> 01:02:02,544 and then one last thing, I'm not sure what-- 1036 01:02:04,982 --> 01:02:08,986 and then one last thing, I'm not sure how to understand 1037 01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:11,510 the Alt-Right or to characterize it 1038 01:02:11,553 --> 01:02:13,860 or even to know what to think about 1039 01:02:13,904 --> 01:02:15,732 its hypothetical existence 1040 01:02:16,907 --> 01:02:18,996 or my association with it. 1041 01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:21,433 But I can tell you that I'm not in favor 1042 01:02:21,476 --> 01:02:24,262 of people banding together any ideological groups. 1043 01:02:27,004 --> 01:02:32,749 And instead would much rather see people live 1044 01:02:32,792 --> 01:02:35,577 fundamentally productive and meaningful and honest 1045 01:02:35,621 --> 01:02:39,277 individual lives and in that manner be a light 1046 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,279 unto their neighbors, so to speak. 1047 01:02:41,322 --> 01:02:43,411 So, I would encourage those of you 1048 01:02:43,455 --> 01:02:45,544 who are considering yourself 1049 01:02:45,587 --> 01:02:48,155 say on the Alt-Right for that matter 1050 01:02:48,199 --> 01:02:50,854 as well as on the radical Left to... 1051 01:02:52,681 --> 01:02:54,379 transcend your... 1052 01:02:55,859 --> 01:02:59,427 dangerous and impersonal ideological identification 1053 01:02:59,471 --> 01:03:02,343 and start to live as true individuals in the world. 1054 01:03:03,257 --> 01:03:06,391 That's what I think and I hope that I've been communicating that. 1055 01:03:06,434 --> 01:03:08,175 If I haven't, well I apologize 1056 01:03:08,219 --> 01:03:10,874 because that's what I've been trying to do. 1057 01:03:10,917 --> 01:03:13,485 [slow music] 1058 01:03:37,944 --> 01:03:40,120 [Jonathan Pageau] I am an icon carver. 1059 01:03:40,164 --> 01:03:42,296 And one of my big interests is Christian symbolism 1060 01:03:42,340 --> 01:03:44,255 and symbolism in general. 1061 01:03:44,298 --> 01:03:45,604 I first encountered Jordan, 1062 01:03:45,647 --> 01:03:47,519 listening to him on the CBC. 1063 01:03:48,650 --> 01:03:51,305 I was driving and I couldn't believe what I was hearing 1064 01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:54,047 because it was so close to what I thought. 1065 01:03:54,091 --> 01:03:56,789 And so from then on, we kind of got to know each other 1066 01:03:56,833 --> 01:03:59,966 and realized that we both have a very symbolic vision 1067 01:04:00,010 --> 01:04:03,709 of the world. We both see the world manifesting itself in patterns. 1068 01:04:05,929 --> 01:04:09,236 And so, I think that Jordan is playing 1069 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,499 this kind of in between character. 1070 01:04:11,543 --> 01:04:15,373 And he's kind of standing in between different sides 1071 01:04:15,416 --> 01:04:18,811 because the Left has been winning the cultural war, 1072 01:04:18,855 --> 01:04:20,987 let's say for the past decades. 1073 01:04:21,031 --> 01:04:24,425 Because of that, the fact that Jordan is standing there more, 1074 01:04:24,469 --> 01:04:26,645 I think he's standing quite in the middle 1075 01:04:26,688 --> 01:04:29,126 and he's trying to call the attention 1076 01:04:29,169 --> 01:04:32,912 to the fact that the Left is becoming totalitarian. 1077 01:04:32,956 --> 01:04:35,610 Then obviously, people who are more on the Right 1078 01:04:35,654 --> 01:04:39,440 are going to see him as their hero, let's say. 1079 01:04:40,746 --> 01:04:45,098 I've had very, very few, but the odd letter from and really, 1080 01:04:45,142 --> 01:04:47,492 I mean, I could count them on the fingers of one hand 1081 01:04:47,535 --> 01:04:49,537 from Neo-Nazis self-stated who say 1082 01:04:51,017 --> 01:04:54,325 some variant of "We understand completely 1083 01:04:54,368 --> 01:04:57,894 that you have no time for us, but we think you're wrong." 1084 01:04:58,938 --> 01:05:00,200 Okay, well. 1085 01:05:02,942 --> 01:05:06,337 One of the things that I think that has been amazing 1086 01:05:06,380 --> 01:05:09,557 in what he's been doing, and this is hard 1087 01:05:09,601 --> 01:05:11,777 for people on the Left to really understand, 1088 01:05:11,820 --> 01:05:15,085 is that he is actually been tempering the Right. 1089 01:05:15,128 --> 01:05:17,174 I think he knows that he's been doing that 1090 01:05:17,217 --> 01:05:21,134 because we've all felt that there is really radical Right 1091 01:05:21,178 --> 01:05:23,658 that's bubbling underneath and it's there. 1092 01:05:23,702 --> 01:05:25,660 There's no doubt about it that it's there. 1093 01:05:25,704 --> 01:05:29,403 But the problem is what do you do with those people? 1094 01:05:29,447 --> 01:05:31,362 How do you interact with them? 1095 01:05:31,405 --> 01:05:33,973 Like if you just say, "Oh, they're evil, 1096 01:05:34,017 --> 01:05:36,671 let's not talk to them. We just need to shut them out." 1097 01:05:36,715 --> 01:05:38,717 They're just-- it's just going to keep growing. 1098 01:05:39,761 --> 01:05:42,373 [Jordan] One of the things that's happened to me over the last year, 1099 01:05:42,416 --> 01:05:44,897 somewhat surprisingly, is that I'd been invited to speak 1100 01:05:44,941 --> 01:05:47,247 in front of a lot of conservative groups. 1101 01:05:47,900 --> 01:05:52,470 And you know, I would talk about what was going on in the universities 1102 01:05:52,513 --> 01:05:56,213 and what I thought might constitute a reasonable antidote to that. 1103 01:05:56,256 --> 01:05:59,390 And that was the adoption of responsibility. 1104 01:05:59,433 --> 01:06:02,219 And this was actually a saleable message to young people. 1105 01:06:02,959 --> 01:06:05,874 He's saying, "Be part of a community. Get a family, 1106 01:06:05,918 --> 01:06:07,659 have friends, get a job." 1107 01:06:07,702 --> 01:06:09,966 Like that's how you can be a Right winger, 1108 01:06:10,009 --> 01:06:14,100 not this stupid Nazi flirting with these Nazi ideology. 1109 01:06:14,144 --> 01:06:15,972 That's useless. 1110 01:06:40,561 --> 01:06:42,041 [Jordan] Oh, shit. 1111 01:06:45,479 --> 01:06:47,829 Forgot to charge my phone. 1112 01:06:47,873 --> 01:06:51,442 Morning. I was going to look into those theaters this morning, but... 1113 01:06:55,620 --> 01:06:57,404 -Did you eat? -[Tammy] No. 1114 01:06:57,448 --> 01:06:59,058 That's why there's food right there. 1115 01:07:05,847 --> 01:07:07,371 [Jordan moans] 1116 01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:15,335 You haven't been getting up and doing yoga with me. 1117 01:07:15,379 --> 01:07:17,511 Tight-- Tight muscle. 1118 01:07:18,295 --> 01:07:21,428 -You'll have start getting up doing yoga with me again. -[moans] 1119 01:07:24,605 --> 01:07:28,218 So what muscle is that-- runs down my back? 1120 01:07:29,523 --> 01:07:32,048 It's probably levator scapulae, 1121 01:07:32,091 --> 01:07:35,225 because when you look at the screen you always put your chin forward... 1122 01:07:35,268 --> 01:07:37,053 -Oh, yeah? -...which makes it spasm. 1123 01:07:38,358 --> 01:07:40,882 -That seems stupid. -Yeah, does too, 1124 01:07:40,926 --> 01:07:42,797 but I think everybody does it. 1125 01:07:44,495 --> 01:07:46,279 -Thanks. -You're welcome. 1126 01:07:47,193 --> 01:07:50,805 Alexa, what's my schedule? 1127 01:07:50,849 --> 01:07:53,112 [computerized voice] Here's are the next four events. 1128 01:07:53,156 --> 01:07:56,115 Today at 12:00 PM there's lunch. 1129 01:07:56,159 --> 01:08:00,337 At 2:20 PM there's Ben Shapiro interview on YouTube Channel. 1130 01:08:00,380 --> 01:08:02,730 At 3:00 PM there's Michael Shermer. 1131 01:08:02,774 --> 01:08:05,820 And at 5:00 PM there's Mikhaila's birthday. 1132 01:08:05,864 --> 01:08:07,387 Do you want to hear more? 1133 01:08:07,431 --> 01:08:09,868 No, I haven't read Michael's book. 1134 01:08:09,911 --> 01:08:11,870 -Where is it? -[Tammy] Right there. 1135 01:08:11,913 --> 01:08:13,959 -On the other side. -Oh, I can't see it from there. 1136 01:08:14,002 --> 01:08:17,832 -No. -I got to read that today. 1137 01:08:22,881 --> 01:08:26,624 I wonder how many people have watched that high school video? 1138 01:08:26,667 --> 01:08:28,278 [Tammy] Never mind. 1139 01:08:29,844 --> 01:08:33,109 -You should concentrate on breakfast, dear. -Yeah. 1140 01:08:33,805 --> 01:08:35,676 -What do you mean "yeah"? -I am. 1141 01:08:36,764 --> 01:08:39,419 No. You haven't to connect your computer. 1142 01:08:45,164 --> 01:08:46,513 [slow music] 1143 01:08:50,038 --> 01:08:52,780 See you. Okay. He's here. 1144 01:09:03,182 --> 01:09:05,576 [soft music] 1145 01:09:07,665 --> 01:09:10,929 [Jordan] I don't really like being tangled up in the political wars. 1146 01:09:12,191 --> 01:09:14,802 The political is interfering with the philosophical 1147 01:09:14,846 --> 01:09:17,283 and psychological realm. That's my sense. 1148 01:09:18,415 --> 01:09:21,287 And so, that's why I got embroiled in political conflict 1149 01:09:21,331 --> 01:09:23,768 with regards to bill C-16. 1150 01:09:24,377 --> 01:09:27,598 The way forward through the ideological idiocy 1151 01:09:27,641 --> 01:09:29,991 is to strengthen the individual 1152 01:09:30,035 --> 01:09:33,430 and so I think when I deviate from that, it's an error. 1153 01:09:33,473 --> 01:09:36,259 It's not necessarily an avoidable error at the moment. 1154 01:09:38,478 --> 01:09:40,088 [soft music continues] 1155 01:09:50,708 --> 01:09:53,450 -[Jordan] Oh, look at that. You know what that is? -[mom] No. 1156 01:09:53,493 --> 01:09:56,627 That's like the first draft of my book, 1157 01:09:56,670 --> 01:09:59,630 Maps of Meaning1990. 1158 01:09:59,673 --> 01:10:02,023 It was called War Cause and Cure. 1159 01:10:02,067 --> 01:10:03,024 Oh! 1160 01:10:04,504 --> 01:10:07,420 -This is from the NDP back in... -[mom] Yeah. 1161 01:10:07,464 --> 01:10:10,554 -...in 1977. -That stuff should be there. 1162 01:10:10,597 --> 01:10:14,253 [Jordan] I ran for the vice-president of the NDP in Alberta 1163 01:10:14,297 --> 01:10:16,473 and that was the first public speech I gave. 1164 01:10:16,516 --> 01:10:19,911 There was about 600 people. My knees shook the whole time. 1165 01:10:19,954 --> 01:10:24,481 "I'm running for the position of general vice-president of the New Democratic Party 1166 01:10:24,524 --> 01:10:26,918 because I believe I can make a contribution to the party 1167 01:10:26,961 --> 01:10:30,182 in at least two specific areas which are as follows: 1168 01:10:30,226 --> 01:10:32,619 Firstly, Canadian nationalism. 1169 01:10:33,446 --> 01:10:35,753 Being a Canadian involves tolerance of everyone 1170 01:10:35,796 --> 01:10:37,972 no matter what language they speak, the color of their skin 1171 01:10:38,016 --> 01:10:40,105 or what their political beliefs might be." 1172 01:10:40,148 --> 01:10:41,628 [soft music] 1173 01:10:44,196 --> 01:10:48,766 [Jordan] George interview. I'm amazed that you managed to keep that all those years. 1174 01:10:48,809 --> 01:10:51,725 [man] Meanwhile, there's a budding socialist in Fairview 1175 01:10:51,769 --> 01:10:57,340 and he apparently is destined to go far in politics, 14-year-old Jordan Peterson 1176 01:10:57,383 --> 01:11:01,082 was almost elected to the executive of the Alberta NDP 1177 01:11:01,126 --> 01:11:04,782 during their annual convention during the weekend at Edmonton. 1178 01:11:04,825 --> 01:11:07,698 -[man 2] You're in about what now, grade nine? -[Jordan] 10th. 1179 01:11:07,741 --> 01:11:10,875 [man 2] Grade 10. Two more years to go on Alberta. 1180 01:11:10,918 --> 01:11:15,271 [woman] Talked about Canadian unity. How do you feel about that? 1181 01:11:16,010 --> 01:11:19,144 [Jordan] I would really like to see Canada stay together. I really would. 1182 01:11:19,187 --> 01:11:22,234 [man 2] What do you think you have to do to ensure that it would? 1183 01:11:22,278 --> 01:11:25,716 [Jordan] I think we need culture of some kind, something definite. 1184 01:11:25,759 --> 01:11:28,458 We need something that we can really be proud of in Canada, 1185 01:11:28,501 --> 01:11:30,547 so to stick us close together. 1186 01:11:30,590 --> 01:11:34,551 That's nice. I didn't sound like a smart aleck kid. 1187 01:11:34,594 --> 01:11:36,248 No, I don't think you were. 1188 01:11:36,292 --> 01:11:37,945 Well, you weren't a smart aleck kid. 1189 01:11:37,989 --> 01:11:39,120 Well, that's good. 1190 01:11:40,905 --> 01:11:42,559 Pounded if you had been. 1191 01:11:42,602 --> 01:11:44,952 [Jordan laughing] Yeah. 1192 01:11:48,956 --> 01:11:52,612 The party operatives, I didn't like them when I was 16. 1193 01:11:52,656 --> 01:11:55,615 They were-- I could tell already that most of them 1194 01:11:55,659 --> 01:11:57,661 were driven by resentment 1195 01:11:57,704 --> 01:12:00,359 and that's when I read George Orwell. 1196 01:12:00,403 --> 01:12:03,144 And you know, he said, "Well, the middle-class socialist types 1197 01:12:03,188 --> 01:12:05,233 generally don't like the poor. They just hate the rich." 1198 01:12:05,277 --> 01:12:07,540 I thought, "Oh, yeah, that's it. That's it." 1199 01:12:07,584 --> 01:12:10,761 He put his finger right on that problem. 1200 01:12:12,937 --> 01:12:14,939 The earliest political memory I have, 1201 01:12:16,114 --> 01:12:18,334 it was when Robert Kennedy was shot. 1202 01:12:18,377 --> 01:12:21,119 I don't know how old I was, probably four or five. 1203 01:12:21,162 --> 01:12:23,121 I watched his funeral and I thought, 1204 01:12:23,164 --> 01:12:24,992 "I'm going to have a funeral like that." 1205 01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:30,128 I have no idea. I have no idea why I thought that. 1206 01:12:33,740 --> 01:12:39,398 That it was-- well, that it was a very large public event. 1207 01:12:39,442 --> 01:12:42,488 That there was a lot of grief that was associated with it. 1208 01:12:42,532 --> 01:12:46,579 That was the first thing that really, kind of, had an impact on me, 1209 01:12:46,623 --> 01:12:48,799 I suppose that was part of the outside political world, 1210 01:12:48,842 --> 01:12:51,018 but I was pretty young when that happened. 1211 01:12:52,672 --> 01:12:55,109 [camera shooting] 1212 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,161 [Will Cunningham] Hello. Jordan? 1213 01:13:03,204 --> 01:13:05,772 -[Jordan] Mm-hmm. -[laughs] 1214 01:13:07,470 --> 01:13:10,342 -What's that? -[Jordan] It's a plague doctor mask. 1215 01:13:10,386 --> 01:13:11,996 -A what doctor mask? -Plague. 1216 01:13:12,039 --> 01:13:13,954 -Plague doctor? -Hmm. 1217 01:13:13,998 --> 01:13:17,088 -Are you the plague doctor today? -Apparently. 1218 01:13:17,131 --> 01:13:20,396 -Maybe not just today. -[Will laughing] Okay. 1219 01:13:21,222 --> 01:13:24,922 It's been hard. So, it's weird seeing these two Jordans. 1220 01:13:26,010 --> 01:13:28,055 There's the Jordan Peterson I know. 1221 01:13:28,099 --> 01:13:30,406 There's the Jordan Peterson I see on Twitter. 1222 01:13:30,449 --> 01:13:33,321 And then there's the cult of Jordan Peterson, 1223 01:13:33,365 --> 01:13:37,587 which also has its own ideas, 1224 01:13:37,630 --> 01:13:41,068 which are sometimes only somewhat correlated 1225 01:13:41,112 --> 01:13:42,809 with what he actually believes. 1226 01:13:44,768 --> 01:13:47,074 Actually, have your neighbors talked to you about this? 1227 01:13:47,118 --> 01:13:50,948 [Jordan] Not much. I mean, I really haven't seen anyone, 1228 01:13:50,991 --> 01:13:53,951 -you know, I mean, how much have we seen each other? -Not much. 1229 01:13:53,994 --> 01:13:57,128 Right, and I see you more than I see anyone else. 1230 01:13:57,171 --> 01:14:00,784 -Wow. -Yeah. How's the band going, man? 1231 01:14:00,827 --> 01:14:03,482 -Pretty well, um... -[man] Do you have a second? 1232 01:14:03,526 --> 01:14:07,051 -Hey, sure. -I have been watching your lectures on YouTube recently-- 1233 01:14:07,094 --> 01:14:09,619 -How are you doing, man? -I'm Jessie Cooke. Nice to meet you. 1234 01:14:09,662 --> 01:14:12,186 -Hi, Jessie. -You've helped me through a lot of mental shit in the past month 1235 01:14:12,230 --> 01:14:14,275 -and I want to thank you. -I'm glad to hear that. 1236 01:14:14,319 --> 01:14:17,061 -What sort of thing? -I'm going through some depression, 1237 01:14:17,104 --> 01:14:19,542 anxiety issues. My life was out of order and, you know, 1238 01:14:19,585 --> 01:14:22,936 you just-- your lectures just gave me 1239 01:14:22,980 --> 01:14:27,201 like a bit of space to work myself through, you know. 1240 01:14:27,245 --> 01:14:28,986 -Good. -I don't know how to explain it. 1241 01:14:29,029 --> 01:14:31,467 -You explained it. That's fine. -Yeah, man. 1242 01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:33,512 Yeah. Well, I'm really happy to hear that. 1243 01:14:33,556 --> 01:14:35,514 I'm so thankful to fucking meet you and say hello to you. 1244 01:14:35,558 --> 01:14:37,908 -Well, it's a pleasure. -Keep up the great work. 1245 01:14:37,951 --> 01:14:40,388 -I hope to see you again. -Good to meet you. 1246 01:14:41,085 --> 01:14:42,913 [Will] He's having so many adoring fans. 1247 01:14:42,956 --> 01:14:45,568 He's having so many people coming to him 1248 01:14:45,611 --> 01:14:48,614 and then he's also being confronted 1249 01:14:48,658 --> 01:14:52,009 by people who he sees is mischaracterizing him. 1250 01:14:52,052 --> 01:14:56,535 [indistinct screaming] 1251 01:14:56,579 --> 01:15:00,234 I mean, I get upset when I read some of the horrible things 1252 01:15:00,278 --> 01:15:02,280 he says and he does say horrible things sometimes. 1253 01:15:02,323 --> 01:15:03,194 [slow music] 1254 01:15:23,954 --> 01:15:27,958 I think he doesn't see that when he's fighting this battle, 1255 01:15:28,001 --> 01:15:31,875 he's actually falling victim to the exact same things 1256 01:15:31,918 --> 01:15:33,572 that he's accusing them of. 1257 01:15:37,402 --> 01:15:39,535 Like for a while, one of the things I proposed 1258 01:15:39,578 --> 01:15:43,147 in Canada was that the conservatives in particular, 1259 01:15:43,190 --> 01:15:46,498 cut the university funding by 25% so that the universities 1260 01:15:46,542 --> 01:15:48,282 would have to sort themselves out. 1261 01:15:48,326 --> 01:15:51,590 But then that was a provocative claim obviously, 1262 01:15:51,634 --> 01:15:53,636 but then I thought, "Well, that's not a good idea 1263 01:15:53,679 --> 01:15:56,595 because it opens up the door to political interference 1264 01:15:56,639 --> 01:16:00,033 -in the academy." And that's bad, conservative or Left. -Exactly, that's right. 1265 01:16:01,469 --> 01:16:04,298 [Will] Like convince people to shut down the women's studies departments 1266 01:16:04,342 --> 01:16:08,520 or the SJWs. That's not opening up the dialogue. 1267 01:16:08,564 --> 01:16:10,914 It's a derogatory term about a group of people. 1268 01:16:10,957 --> 01:16:13,133 When you take that approach, you invalidate 1269 01:16:14,178 --> 01:16:17,398 the other person entirely. You call them hysterical. 1270 01:16:17,442 --> 01:16:19,531 You call them ideologically possessed. 1271 01:16:19,575 --> 01:16:21,315 That closes any type of communication. 1272 01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:22,708 I think it actually 1273 01:16:22,752 --> 01:16:24,275 undermines his message. 1274 01:16:24,971 --> 01:16:27,844 Does it bother you that your audience 1275 01:16:27,887 --> 01:16:32,283 is predominantly male? Isn't that a bit divisive? 1276 01:16:32,326 --> 01:16:34,154 No, I don't think so. I mean, 1277 01:16:34,198 --> 01:16:36,592 it's no more divisive than the fact that YouTube 1278 01:16:36,635 --> 01:16:39,290 is primarily male and Tumblr is primarily female. 1279 01:16:39,333 --> 01:16:42,119 -That's pretty divisive, isn't it? -Tumblr is primarily female. 1280 01:16:42,162 --> 01:16:44,643 -Do you think men and women can work in the workplace together? -I don't know. 1281 01:16:44,687 --> 01:16:48,168 -Without sexual harassment? -We'll see. We don't know what the rules are. 1282 01:16:48,212 --> 01:16:52,651 Like, here's a rule. How about no makeup in the workplace? How about high heels? 1283 01:16:52,695 --> 01:16:55,654 -What about high heels? -What about them? 1284 01:16:55,698 --> 01:16:59,615 They're there to exaggerate sexual attractiveness. That's what high heels do. 1285 01:16:59,658 --> 01:17:02,748 Now, I'm not saying people shouldn't use sexual displays in the workplace. 1286 01:17:02,792 --> 01:17:05,664 I'm not saying that... but I am saying 1287 01:17:05,708 --> 01:17:08,667 that is what they're doing and that is what they're doing. 1288 01:17:08,711 --> 01:17:11,801 Do you feel like a serious woman who does not want sexual harassment 1289 01:17:11,844 --> 01:17:14,978 in the workplace, do you feel like if she wears makeup 1290 01:17:15,021 --> 01:17:18,677 -in the workplace that she is somewhat being hypocritical? -Yeah. 1291 01:17:20,287 --> 01:17:22,463 -Okay. -I do think that. 1292 01:17:22,507 --> 01:17:24,727 When you say that, when you say these kind of things, 1293 01:17:24,770 --> 01:17:28,818 a woman may think that "Oh, I might be responsible 1294 01:17:28,861 --> 01:17:33,039 for what this guy at the office said to me because yeah, I was wearing make-up. 1295 01:17:33,083 --> 01:17:36,042 -So I'm the one to be blamed." -That wasn't the point I was making. 1296 01:17:36,086 --> 01:17:38,436 No, but do you understand that for a woman watching this 1297 01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:41,657 and who is a victim of sexual harassment in the workplace-- 1298 01:17:41,700 --> 01:17:45,661 -I don't care about that. -You don't care about what she may feel after she hears you? 1299 01:17:45,704 --> 01:17:48,359 No, I don't care. I really don't care particularly 1300 01:17:48,402 --> 01:17:50,230 what people feel about facts. 1301 01:17:50,927 --> 01:17:52,929 I thought we were talking about masculinity. 1302 01:17:52,972 --> 01:17:55,192 -We are. Yes, we are. -No, we're not. 1303 01:17:55,235 --> 01:17:57,107 No. Basically, what you've been trying to do, 1304 01:17:57,150 --> 01:17:58,717 I would say for the last 15 minutes 1305 01:17:58,761 --> 01:18:01,067 is put me into a sequence of corners 1306 01:18:01,111 --> 01:18:04,592 by accusing me of various forms of misbehavior. 1307 01:18:04,636 --> 01:18:07,726 [Will] It's funny, I think that when I read these articles, 1308 01:18:07,770 --> 01:18:11,817 almost none of them have to do with my experience with Jordan. 1309 01:18:11,861 --> 01:18:14,777 Right. Here are these articles about how he's the savior 1310 01:18:14,820 --> 01:18:18,432 of all the young men who is fighting the evil oppressors 1311 01:18:18,476 --> 01:18:20,130 that are about to take over the world 1312 01:18:20,173 --> 01:18:24,221 or he is this evil white supremacist Nazi 1313 01:18:24,264 --> 01:18:28,355 who is trying to destroy everything that's good about the world. 1314 01:18:28,399 --> 01:18:32,098 [man] The professor who says equal pay for women... 1315 01:18:32,142 --> 01:18:33,447 Really, is that when we want to do? 1316 01:18:33,491 --> 01:18:35,449 ...is a load of rubbish. 1317 01:18:35,493 --> 01:18:37,277 These differences between men and women, 1318 01:18:37,321 --> 01:18:38,496 they're not going away. 1319 01:18:38,539 --> 01:18:41,107 Oh, my God. 1320 01:18:41,151 --> 01:18:43,849 [woman] You have to travel a long way to find true... 1321 01:18:43,893 --> 01:18:45,372 Like he doesn't believe... 1322 01:18:46,678 --> 01:18:49,463 anything the way that it was framed there. 1323 01:18:50,900 --> 01:18:54,294 He's just a guy trying to figure out 1324 01:18:54,338 --> 01:18:55,861 the world in this sense. 1325 01:18:57,558 --> 01:19:00,910 I know that he thinks about things very deeply. 1326 01:19:00,953 --> 01:19:03,042 He doesn't like to admit it, 1327 01:19:03,086 --> 01:19:06,306 but he's a very agreeable, compassionate person 1328 01:19:06,350 --> 01:19:08,656 under the gruff exterior. 1329 01:19:08,700 --> 01:19:12,486 And I think he's at best when helping people 1330 01:19:12,530 --> 01:19:15,402 find personal meaning. You know, 1331 01:19:15,446 --> 01:19:17,883 that is the antidote to extremism. 1332 01:19:17,927 --> 01:19:19,537 [slow music] 1333 01:19:29,373 --> 01:19:30,766 [Jordan] Life is suffering. 1334 01:19:32,463 --> 01:19:37,511 Love is the desire to see unnecessary suffering ameliorated. 1335 01:19:38,817 --> 01:19:40,471 Truth is the handmaiden of love. 1336 01:19:42,865 --> 01:19:45,737 Dialogue is the pathway to truth, 1337 01:19:47,957 --> 01:19:50,263 so speech must be untrammeled, 1338 01:19:50,916 --> 01:19:53,136 so that dialogue can take place, 1339 01:19:54,702 --> 01:19:57,270 so that we can all humbly learn, 1340 01:19:58,794 --> 01:20:01,187 so the truth can serve love, 1341 01:20:01,231 --> 01:20:03,842 so that suffering can be ameliorated, 1342 01:20:03,886 --> 01:20:06,671 so that we can all stumble forward 1343 01:20:06,714 --> 01:20:08,804 towards the Kingdom of God. 1344 01:20:10,893 --> 01:20:14,026 Thank you for inviting me to McMinnville. 1345 01:20:25,733 --> 01:20:26,691 [slow music continues] 1346 01:20:43,621 --> 01:20:47,146 [Tammy] When I first met him, I kind of met him in the neighborhood. 1347 01:20:47,190 --> 01:20:49,061 He looked a lot different as a little kid, 1348 01:20:49,105 --> 01:20:53,065 but he had the intensity that he's always had. 1349 01:20:53,109 --> 01:20:55,328 [playing the piano] 1350 01:20:59,942 --> 01:21:02,335 [Tammy] That had to be the third time he asked me to marry him 1351 01:21:02,379 --> 01:21:04,294 and I finally said yes. 1352 01:21:04,337 --> 01:21:06,687 So, he said, "Okay. If that's going to be the case, 1353 01:21:06,731 --> 01:21:10,169 if we're going to get married, then the guiding principle 1354 01:21:10,213 --> 01:21:14,695 in our relationship has to be truth or it won't work." 1355 01:21:17,481 --> 01:21:20,876 And... I said, "Okay." 1356 01:21:21,485 --> 01:21:24,140 I'd never really thought much about it before. 1357 01:21:24,183 --> 01:21:26,620 You know, so I was just looking at everything 1358 01:21:26,664 --> 01:21:29,710 that I had built my life on 1359 01:21:29,754 --> 01:21:33,714 and was trying to decide whether that was going to be okay or not. 1360 01:21:33,758 --> 01:21:36,630 So he really put a bee in my bonnet. 1361 01:21:36,674 --> 01:21:38,328 He really put a bee in my bonnet. 1362 01:21:42,985 --> 01:21:46,249 Because when you first get together, or at least when we first got together, 1363 01:21:46,292 --> 01:21:52,081 there was lots of old family things to have to unpack. 1364 01:21:52,124 --> 01:21:56,999 And Jordan was relentless in unpacking those things. 1365 01:21:58,435 --> 01:22:00,524 Say somebody was coming over for dinner 1366 01:22:00,567 --> 01:22:02,743 that used to make me very anxious. 1367 01:22:02,787 --> 01:22:05,746 And Jordan would, you know, 1368 01:22:05,790 --> 01:22:07,574 that'd be a question for him. 1369 01:22:07,618 --> 01:22:09,533 Why was I having trouble with this? 1370 01:22:09,576 --> 01:22:13,232 Then he wouldn't let it go. He wouldn't let it go. 1371 01:22:13,276 --> 01:22:15,234 We'd have to get to the bottom of it. 1372 01:22:15,278 --> 01:22:16,757 We'd have to figure it out because we didn't want 1373 01:22:16,801 --> 01:22:18,194 to have this argument again. 1374 01:22:18,890 --> 01:22:23,068 Over probably the first year or two we were married, 1375 01:22:23,112 --> 01:22:28,421 oh, man, we went through so many conversations. 1376 01:22:28,465 --> 01:22:31,424 Three-day-long sometime conversations 1377 01:22:31,468 --> 01:22:36,995 about unpacking old generational... 1378 01:22:37,953 --> 01:22:41,260 weight habits and behaviors and beliefs and things 1379 01:22:41,304 --> 01:22:46,135 to become more clear with each other 1380 01:22:46,178 --> 01:22:50,008 about where we stood and so that we could be standing together. 1381 01:22:51,879 --> 01:22:54,621 Like at every step of the way Jordan was trying to... 1382 01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,104 help to keep the communication going 1383 01:22:59,148 --> 01:23:02,107 and to keep the... 1384 01:23:02,151 --> 01:23:06,677 road smooth for all of us. And that was very, very helpful, 1385 01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,506 but very, very difficult conversations. 1386 01:23:09,549 --> 01:23:12,422 And it worked, it-- it really did. 1387 01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,172 People ask me what it's been like for me 1388 01:23:23,215 --> 01:23:27,524 and they always approach me like, I must have been-- 1389 01:23:27,567 --> 01:23:31,484 this must've been scary or this must have been overwhelming, 1390 01:23:31,528 --> 01:23:35,532 you know. And I travel with him. So, I'm there, 1391 01:23:35,575 --> 01:23:42,104 but he really is like plugged into the world 1392 01:23:42,147 --> 01:23:44,019 like he never was before. 1393 01:23:45,324 --> 01:23:51,156 Yeah. Well, we'll work out a detailed tour through Europe and so-- 1394 01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,029 -[woman] Okay. -[Jordan] And I'm looking forward to that. 1395 01:23:54,072 --> 01:23:58,468 [Tammy] And so, finding moments where... 1396 01:23:59,295 --> 01:24:03,429 we have him again are precious moments. 1397 01:24:04,213 --> 01:24:07,825 It wasn't scary and it hasn't been overwhelming, 1398 01:24:08,608 --> 01:24:11,307 but I've lost Jordan to the world. 1399 01:24:12,264 --> 01:24:13,918 [slow music] 1400 01:24:16,007 --> 01:24:18,270 -[man] Thanks for being the father I never had. -[Jordan] Hey, my pleasure. 1401 01:24:26,322 --> 01:24:28,063 [soft music] 1402 01:24:35,374 --> 01:24:38,638 [Jordan] The best story isn't in the realm of identity politics. 1403 01:24:38,682 --> 01:24:41,728 It isn't, well, the Left has the best story or the Right has the best story. 1404 01:24:41,772 --> 01:24:46,733 It's that that whole level of analysis isn't the right story. 1405 01:24:49,562 --> 01:24:53,566 And the story that I'm telling people is that their lives matter 1406 01:24:53,610 --> 01:24:57,135 more than they think, more than they want them to even 1407 01:24:57,179 --> 01:25:00,660 and that their ethical decisions determine 1408 01:25:00,704 --> 01:25:02,140 the direction of the world. 1409 01:25:09,843 --> 01:25:11,715 [Lane Patriquin] I'm not a huge fan of the fact 1410 01:25:11,758 --> 01:25:13,369 that this documentary is being made, 1411 01:25:13,412 --> 01:25:16,111 I think I said to you at the beginning 1412 01:25:16,154 --> 01:25:18,113 that if a documentary was going to be made 1413 01:25:18,156 --> 01:25:20,289 about what was happening at all, it should focus 1414 01:25:20,332 --> 01:25:23,422 on the trans community and how it has been affected by this. 1415 01:25:23,466 --> 01:25:27,426 I thought that positioning it through a focus on Jordan Peterson 1416 01:25:27,470 --> 01:25:31,474 was just going to contribute to his notoriety 1417 01:25:31,517 --> 01:25:34,955 or him building up some anti-hero identity for himself. 1418 01:25:36,696 --> 01:25:38,916 Watching how the things have developed 1419 01:25:38,959 --> 01:25:41,658 and he stayed in the news and people still talk about him, 1420 01:25:41,701 --> 01:25:46,532 you know, he's advising candidates for like the Conservative Party 1421 01:25:46,576 --> 01:25:51,885 and like just getting way more distance off that controversy 1422 01:25:51,929 --> 01:25:56,325 that he started than anyone who was opposed to him did. 1423 01:26:00,546 --> 01:26:04,898 [Jordan] And what I've increasingly realized is something like 1424 01:26:04,942 --> 01:26:07,553 the best story will win. 1425 01:26:11,949 --> 01:26:14,778 I hope that what I'm doing is telling the best story 1426 01:26:14,821 --> 01:26:17,128 and I think if it doesn't win, 1427 01:26:17,172 --> 01:26:20,131 then something that is really not good wins instead 1428 01:26:20,175 --> 01:26:24,962 and that's-- I'm not comfortable with that as an alternative outcome. 1429 01:26:26,616 --> 01:26:28,966 [slow music] 1430 01:26:47,071 --> 01:26:48,899 [Jordan] Well, it's changed my life. 1431 01:26:51,293 --> 01:26:54,209 It's undoubtedly changed me. I don't know how. 1432 01:26:54,252 --> 01:26:56,820 I haven't had enough time to think about it. 1433 01:26:56,863 --> 01:26:59,866 Like, so imagine that something really... 1434 01:26:59,910 --> 01:27:02,347 incomprehensible is happening to you. 1435 01:27:02,391 --> 01:27:05,220 You can't believe it. You have no place in your... 1436 01:27:05,263 --> 01:27:07,831 conceptual structure to account for that 1437 01:27:07,874 --> 01:27:10,225 and so you feel as if it's not real. 1438 01:27:10,268 --> 01:27:13,184 That's what derealization means. It means, this isn't my life. 1439 01:27:13,228 --> 01:27:16,187 You're separated from it. It's because you can't comprehend it. 1440 01:27:16,231 --> 01:27:19,103 Well, that's-- every time I wake up, it's like... 1441 01:27:19,146 --> 01:27:22,106 I wake up and then it hits me 1442 01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:25,414 that this all-- this is happening. 1443 01:27:31,028 --> 01:27:34,161 [Dave Rubin] All right. I am truly thrilled to bring this man up here. 1444 01:27:34,205 --> 01:27:37,252 He is at the center, right in the center, 1445 01:27:37,295 --> 01:27:40,124 not just the center. He is at the center of the center. 1446 01:27:40,167 --> 01:27:43,083 Here, I can-- we can do this. Are we recording again? 1447 01:27:43,127 --> 01:27:45,260 So, this is what I actually look like 1448 01:27:45,303 --> 01:27:48,437 and then this is what people who don't like me think I look like. 1449 01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:51,527 -Yes. -[Dave Rubin] And he's become a good friend of mine 1450 01:27:51,570 --> 01:27:55,922 and I am thrilled and honored to bring up Dr. Jordan Peterson, everybody. 1451 01:27:55,966 --> 01:28:00,362 [applauses and ovation] 1452 01:28:09,719 --> 01:28:12,287 [Jordan] Yeah, that's a good question. I would say they're both real. 1453 01:28:16,073 --> 01:28:19,076 -[slow music] -[ovation] 1454 01:28:30,827 --> 01:28:33,177 [ovation continues] 1455 01:28:50,412 --> 01:28:52,457 [slow music]