1 00:00:02,306 --> 00:00:04,458 I got a headache bro. - Uh, his head is starting to hurt. 2 00:00:04,482 --> 00:00:06,354 Here, jump in here real quick. 3 00:00:06,484 --> 00:00:08,530 We may have to get you off the ranch. 4 00:00:08,660 --> 00:00:11,750 The fact that something would be interfering 5 00:00:11,881 --> 00:00:15,058 points to malevolent intent. 6 00:00:15,189 --> 00:00:18,496 In our tradition, if you see something, 7 00:00:18,627 --> 00:00:19,976 you don't talk about it. 8 00:00:21,499 --> 00:00:23,284 Hey, Look! UAP right there. Yup. 9 00:00:23,414 --> 00:00:27,549 So we have a region in altitude that tells us 10 00:00:27,679 --> 00:00:29,159 there is some kind on phenomenon 11 00:00:29,290 --> 00:00:31,901 taking place right here over the triangle. 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,253 There is a ranch in Northern Utah. 13 00:00:37,254 --> 00:00:39,517 It is considered the epicenter 14 00:00:39,648 --> 00:00:44,000 of the strangest and most disturbing phenomena on Earth: 15 00:00:44,131 --> 00:00:46,350 animal mutilations, 16 00:00:46,481 --> 00:00:48,831 bizarre UFO sightings 17 00:00:48,961 --> 00:00:53,749 and unusual energies that have proven harmful to humans. 18 00:00:53,879 --> 00:00:56,795 For 20 years, the federal government 19 00:00:56,926 --> 00:00:59,755 tried to find answers and failed. 20 00:00:59,885 --> 00:01:04,151 Now a new team of dedicated scientists, 21 00:01:04,281 --> 00:01:08,198 researchers and experts has taken over. 22 00:01:08,329 --> 00:01:12,028 They are determined to solve the mystery and reveal... 23 00:01:14,552 --> 00:01:17,729 ...The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch. 24 00:01:23,953 --> 00:01:26,390 I don't know if it's 25 00:01:26,521 --> 00:01:28,629 the things we're doing that's stimulating these things 26 00:01:28,653 --> 00:01:30,351 like launching rockets. 27 00:01:30,481 --> 00:01:32,570 But there seems to be something happening that is 28 00:01:32,701 --> 00:01:35,007 jamming, hacking, spoofing us. 29 00:01:35,138 --> 00:01:36,966 We've recently conducted 30 00:01:37,097 --> 00:01:39,490 two new experiments at the triangle and have gotten 31 00:01:39,621 --> 00:01:41,710 more confirmation that something strange 32 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,060 is happening about a mile above that area. 33 00:01:45,235 --> 00:01:48,456 Three, two, one, bottle drop. 34 00:01:48,586 --> 00:01:50,240 First, we dropped GPS units 35 00:01:50,371 --> 00:01:52,503 from Brandon's helicopter down through it. 36 00:01:52,634 --> 00:01:54,592 Holy cow. Look at that. 37 00:01:54,723 --> 00:01:55,941 So we threw it out right there 38 00:01:56,072 --> 00:01:58,248 and then, look, it goes upwind. 39 00:01:58,379 --> 00:01:59,815 But something we couldn't see 40 00:01:59,945 --> 00:02:01,305 seemed to deflect our instruments 41 00:02:01,338 --> 00:02:02,731 away from the spot. 42 00:02:02,861 --> 00:02:04,994 The rocket is going hot. 43 00:02:07,039 --> 00:02:08,919 Then, we launched rockets up there with a team 44 00:02:09,041 --> 00:02:12,001 of former military experts who brought a specialized 45 00:02:12,132 --> 00:02:13,698 tracking system for studying UAP. 46 00:02:13,829 --> 00:02:16,832 Hey look, UAP right there. - Yep. I see it. 47 00:02:16,962 --> 00:02:18,882 We did stimulate something to appear in the sky, 48 00:02:18,921 --> 00:02:20,575 but the tracking system 49 00:02:20,705 --> 00:02:22,925 mysteriously shut down over and over... 50 00:02:23,055 --> 00:02:24,579 You got to be kidding me. 51 00:02:24,709 --> 00:02:26,320 ...preventing us from getting any data. 52 00:02:26,450 --> 00:02:28,235 Everything just went off-line. 53 00:02:28,365 --> 00:02:31,934 We need to find a way to collect data in that zone 54 00:02:32,064 --> 00:02:34,110 for a sustained period of time 55 00:02:34,241 --> 00:02:37,200 to figure out just what's causing these strange events 56 00:02:37,331 --> 00:02:39,333 that keep happening on Skinwalker Ranch. 57 00:02:39,463 --> 00:02:41,683 Well, you know, these rockets are great 58 00:02:41,813 --> 00:02:43,902 and we're seeing this data. The problem with them is 59 00:02:44,033 --> 00:02:45,991 they go up so fast and come down so fast, 60 00:02:46,122 --> 00:02:48,405 I don't feel like you guys are really getting a lot of data. 61 00:02:48,429 --> 00:02:50,431 A typical flight trajectory is, 62 00:02:50,561 --> 00:02:53,129 even with a very big chute on them, 63 00:02:53,260 --> 00:02:55,262 is less than 20 or 30 seconds. 64 00:02:55,392 --> 00:02:58,308 Yeah. - So, it would be nice to linger there 65 00:02:58,439 --> 00:03:00,876 like with a fixed-wing aircraft that we could just keep fly-- 66 00:03:01,006 --> 00:03:03,574 orbiting over the spot, or something. 67 00:03:03,705 --> 00:03:05,315 You know, where we just make 68 00:03:05,446 --> 00:03:07,709 a push broom-type of pattern at various altitudes. 69 00:03:07,839 --> 00:03:11,103 You could do that with, like, a Cessna or something like that 70 00:03:11,234 --> 00:03:13,149 and you could put plenty of instruments in it. 71 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,440 They could go about a hundred miles an hour, or slower, 72 00:03:15,543 --> 00:03:18,894 and just push broom back and forth over the ranch. 73 00:03:19,024 --> 00:03:20,548 And then you could go up in altitude 74 00:03:20,678 --> 00:03:22,158 and do it again and keep doing it. 75 00:03:22,289 --> 00:03:24,595 We could get a complete 3D map 76 00:03:24,726 --> 00:03:27,990 of GPS, gamma rays, radio, 77 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,818 whatever we wanted to do like that. 78 00:03:29,948 --> 00:03:32,229 Well, we've talked about this for a while, I say we do it. 79 00:03:32,299 --> 00:03:33,996 Right. - I'll bet you 80 00:03:34,126 --> 00:03:36,999 that Cameron knows somebody, 81 00:03:37,129 --> 00:03:39,569 that's got a plane that would do this, that would help us out. 82 00:03:39,610 --> 00:03:41,873 Okay, should we go do it? 83 00:03:42,004 --> 00:03:43,982 We need to reach out to Cameron to see if he can help us out. 84 00:03:44,006 --> 00:03:45,181 Sounds good. 85 00:03:45,312 --> 00:03:46,487 Thanks, Erik. 86 00:03:58,281 --> 00:04:00,936 Right up here is where the petroglyph is. 87 00:04:01,066 --> 00:04:02,764 Okay. 88 00:04:02,894 --> 00:04:04,331 While we were preparing 89 00:04:04,461 --> 00:04:06,115 for the experiment above the triangle, 90 00:04:06,246 --> 00:04:07,682 Tom Lewis and Kandus Linde went to 91 00:04:07,812 --> 00:04:10,119 nearby McConkie Ranch to meet with a respected 92 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:12,600 Navajo Nation's member named Jon Dover. 93 00:04:12,730 --> 00:04:15,167 I think he said he was going to meet us 94 00:04:15,298 --> 00:04:17,387 just at the trailhead up here. - Hello! 95 00:04:17,518 --> 00:04:18,170 I'm up here. - Jon. 96 00:04:18,301 --> 00:04:19,650 Hello. 97 00:04:19,781 --> 00:04:20,781 Come on up. 98 00:04:20,869 --> 00:04:22,044 Let's head on up. 99 00:04:22,174 --> 00:04:24,046 Now, we want 100 00:04:24,176 --> 00:04:26,483 any information that can help us with our investigation 101 00:04:26,614 --> 00:04:28,572 and the Indigenous people in this region 102 00:04:28,703 --> 00:04:31,662 have a long history with all kinds of strange phenomenon. 103 00:04:31,793 --> 00:04:34,665 You're good? - Oh, yeah. 104 00:04:34,796 --> 00:04:37,364 Just recently, we met with Corey Serawop 105 00:04:37,494 --> 00:04:39,017 who shared a story with us 106 00:04:39,148 --> 00:04:41,672 about his experience in the Uinta Basin. 107 00:04:41,803 --> 00:04:44,196 One thing he brought up was that we should visit 108 00:04:44,327 --> 00:04:46,677 McConkie Ranch and check out the petroglyphs there. 109 00:04:46,808 --> 00:04:48,070 This is amazing. 110 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,072 Wow, yeah. 111 00:04:50,202 --> 00:04:52,204 Jon Dover has a deep understanding 112 00:04:52,335 --> 00:04:54,294 of the petroglyphs and pictographs that are up 113 00:04:54,424 --> 00:04:55,686 on the walls at McConkie Ranch. 114 00:04:55,817 --> 00:04:59,342 And so, Kandus and I are very interested 115 00:04:59,473 --> 00:05:01,431 to hear what Jon has to say. 116 00:05:01,562 --> 00:05:04,042 Ah, there you are. Hi. - Hey, there. 117 00:05:04,173 --> 00:05:06,393 Glad you made it. - Thanks so much for having us. 118 00:05:06,523 --> 00:05:07,742 Kandus. - Jon. 119 00:05:07,872 --> 00:05:09,439 Jon, nice to meet you. 120 00:05:09,570 --> 00:05:10,832 And I'm Tom. - Hi, Tom. 121 00:05:10,962 --> 00:05:12,224 My name is Jonathan Dover. 122 00:05:12,355 --> 00:05:14,879 I spent 27 years 123 00:05:15,010 --> 00:05:19,014 as a, uh, archeological resource investigator 124 00:05:19,144 --> 00:05:21,886 with the Navajo Nation Rangers. 125 00:05:22,017 --> 00:05:23,627 Oh, wow. 126 00:05:23,758 --> 00:05:25,977 Yeah, this place is amazing. 127 00:05:26,108 --> 00:05:29,938 This is one place of a whole bunch of places 128 00:05:30,068 --> 00:05:32,419 that have petroglyphs 129 00:05:32,549 --> 00:05:35,857 that were put on these rocks a thousand years ago 130 00:05:35,987 --> 00:05:37,641 or even earlier than that. 131 00:05:37,772 --> 00:05:39,556 Mm-hmm. 132 00:05:39,687 --> 00:05:41,689 The ancient people that populated 133 00:05:41,819 --> 00:05:45,345 this place and some of the other places around here show 134 00:05:45,475 --> 00:05:47,259 that the natives back then 135 00:05:47,390 --> 00:05:50,350 were seeing unusual things happening 136 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,482 and were recording them, too. 137 00:05:52,613 --> 00:05:56,268 There's a lot of information that's put on these rocks 138 00:05:56,399 --> 00:05:59,750 and they are put on in successive "timescape." 139 00:05:59,881 --> 00:06:03,972 Everybody that came through would add something to it. 140 00:06:04,102 --> 00:06:06,278 They're a record and... 141 00:06:06,409 --> 00:06:09,151 unusual things would be documented on them. 142 00:06:09,281 --> 00:06:12,546 They could depict clans, they could depict Gods, 143 00:06:12,676 --> 00:06:17,028 they could even depict maps of the area. 144 00:06:17,159 --> 00:06:21,293 Yeah, we have a few small panels at the ranch and we're really 145 00:06:21,424 --> 00:06:23,315 trying to tie anything together that's in this region 146 00:06:23,339 --> 00:06:25,515 to the ranch, to see if there's 147 00:06:25,646 --> 00:06:27,286 connections or anything that we could draw 148 00:06:27,387 --> 00:06:28,953 lines to. 149 00:06:29,084 --> 00:06:30,583 We'll definitely see some connections here. 150 00:06:30,607 --> 00:06:31,607 Excellent. 151 00:06:31,652 --> 00:06:33,131 If we go further down here, 152 00:06:33,262 --> 00:06:35,177 we're going to take a look at one of them. 153 00:06:35,307 --> 00:06:37,222 Great. - Show us the way. 154 00:06:37,353 --> 00:06:39,355 Wow. 155 00:06:39,486 --> 00:06:41,923 Here is the most interesting one that I've found so far, 156 00:06:42,053 --> 00:06:45,361 is this spiral right here. 157 00:06:45,492 --> 00:06:48,103 The spiral seems to be universal. 158 00:06:48,233 --> 00:06:49,974 All through 159 00:06:50,105 --> 00:06:52,020 the United States, through the Southwest, 160 00:06:52,150 --> 00:06:54,283 in Europe, in Africa. 161 00:06:54,414 --> 00:06:58,287 Some archeologists tell me that this spiral 162 00:06:58,418 --> 00:07:01,508 could refer to some kind of a portal. 163 00:07:01,638 --> 00:07:03,510 A portal? - Yeah, a portal. 164 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,512 Okay. 165 00:07:05,642 --> 00:07:08,166 And, uh, we think that there's something 166 00:07:08,297 --> 00:07:09,603 called infrasound. 167 00:07:09,733 --> 00:07:13,345 Which is different frequencies of sound 168 00:07:13,476 --> 00:07:17,001 that you can't detect them with human hearing. 169 00:07:17,132 --> 00:07:19,395 And we believe that it's very possible 170 00:07:19,526 --> 00:07:21,789 that these different frequencies 171 00:07:21,919 --> 00:07:25,532 can open portals to other places. 172 00:07:27,098 --> 00:07:28,883 For two years now, 173 00:07:29,013 --> 00:07:32,016 all over Skinwalker Ranch we've seen this strange signal 174 00:07:32,147 --> 00:07:34,802 with an RF frequency of 1.6 gigahertz. 175 00:07:36,238 --> 00:07:37,587 We've got liftoff. 176 00:07:37,718 --> 00:07:39,502 Oh, my God, during launch 177 00:07:39,633 --> 00:07:41,243 the electromagnetic spectrum is going 178 00:07:41,373 --> 00:07:43,288 crazy, guys-- I've never seen anything like it. 179 00:07:43,419 --> 00:07:45,726 No technology that we know of 180 00:07:45,856 --> 00:07:49,686 uses this specific 1.6 gigahertz frequency, 181 00:07:49,817 --> 00:07:51,558 but we often see it when people have 182 00:07:51,688 --> 00:07:53,603 physiological episodes on the ranch, 183 00:07:53,734 --> 00:07:56,867 and also, when we've seen UAPs. 184 00:07:56,998 --> 00:08:00,436 Now, the idea that UAP and strange frequencies 185 00:08:00,567 --> 00:08:03,744 are somehow connected to a phenomenon like a portal, 186 00:08:03,874 --> 00:08:05,310 is very interesting, 187 00:08:05,441 --> 00:08:07,791 especially since many of the Indigenous people 188 00:08:07,922 --> 00:08:12,100 in this area truly believe that connection exists. 189 00:08:12,230 --> 00:08:15,886 You're saying this is a portal? Or could be a portal? 190 00:08:16,017 --> 00:08:18,193 This very much could be a portal. 191 00:08:19,281 --> 00:08:22,023 The significance of portals 192 00:08:22,153 --> 00:08:24,373 or dimensional gates, if you would... 193 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:25,722 Mm-hmm. 194 00:08:25,853 --> 00:08:28,682 ...is that the Navajos themselves 195 00:08:28,812 --> 00:08:31,467 talk about a people coming to visit. 196 00:08:31,598 --> 00:08:34,949 Different dimensions are not like walls. 197 00:08:35,079 --> 00:08:36,341 If you can imagine... 198 00:08:37,342 --> 00:08:38,996 ...they're interlaced together. 199 00:08:39,127 --> 00:08:41,129 So, 200 00:08:41,259 --> 00:08:44,654 what if every now and then something just leaks through? 201 00:08:44,785 --> 00:08:46,874 Mm-hmm. - You could travel, 202 00:08:47,004 --> 00:08:48,591 we just don't know how to do it. - Yeah. 203 00:08:48,615 --> 00:08:50,660 Even the Navajo creation story 204 00:08:50,791 --> 00:08:54,011 talks about coming through several different worlds 205 00:08:54,142 --> 00:08:56,361 until they see a hole in the sky 206 00:08:56,492 --> 00:08:59,539 and they climb up into this world. 207 00:09:00,975 --> 00:09:03,543 We think that there's something going on with frequency... 208 00:09:04,500 --> 00:09:06,763 ...that is creating this effect. 209 00:09:06,894 --> 00:09:08,635 Wow. 210 00:09:08,765 --> 00:09:10,811 There's a lot more we need to look at up here. 211 00:09:10,941 --> 00:09:12,900 All right. - So, we'll move along here. 212 00:09:15,337 --> 00:09:18,122 As we were looking at this spiral petroglyph 213 00:09:18,253 --> 00:09:20,603 described as a portal, Kandus and I realized 214 00:09:20,734 --> 00:09:22,605 there is some sort of connection here 215 00:09:22,736 --> 00:09:24,694 with what's happening on the ranch 216 00:09:24,825 --> 00:09:27,175 and possibly at the triangle. 217 00:09:27,305 --> 00:09:29,656 We've heard a lot of 218 00:09:29,786 --> 00:09:32,180 very interesting stories about seeing portals 219 00:09:32,310 --> 00:09:34,138 that opened right above people's heads 220 00:09:34,269 --> 00:09:37,707 and figures coming out of these portals. 221 00:09:38,708 --> 00:09:39,883 It's amazing. - Yeah. 222 00:09:40,014 --> 00:09:42,320 Oh, yeah. I see it. 223 00:09:42,451 --> 00:09:45,497 Oh, and that's like a human... It's another figure. 224 00:09:45,628 --> 00:09:47,935 One thing I've just thought about is, you know, 225 00:09:48,065 --> 00:09:50,111 just on this rock wall right here, 226 00:09:50,241 --> 00:09:52,243 and it is speculation and inference... 227 00:09:52,374 --> 00:09:53,854 Right. - But... 228 00:09:53,984 --> 00:09:56,117 we could have a skinwalker shape-shifter. 229 00:09:56,247 --> 00:09:57,858 We could have... 230 00:09:57,988 --> 00:09:59,749 aliens. - Somebody coming through another dimension. 231 00:09:59,773 --> 00:10:02,558 Through other dimensions. - Right. 232 00:10:02,689 --> 00:10:04,865 The idea of Navajo skinwalkers, 233 00:10:04,995 --> 00:10:08,477 gods coming from the sky, 234 00:10:08,608 --> 00:10:10,871 even UFOs, 235 00:10:11,001 --> 00:10:13,613 all had one thing in common and that's this idea 236 00:10:13,743 --> 00:10:16,964 of dimensions and portals, 237 00:10:17,094 --> 00:10:20,184 and it's the one thing that ties everything together. 238 00:10:20,315 --> 00:10:22,360 With the spirals back here that you were 239 00:10:22,491 --> 00:10:25,799 talking about could be indicative of-of a portal, 240 00:10:25,929 --> 00:10:27,757 it could be that it was right here 241 00:10:27,888 --> 00:10:29,193 or maybe off in the distance? 242 00:10:29,324 --> 00:10:30,804 What do you think? 243 00:10:30,934 --> 00:10:32,675 It-it could be a whole range of things. 244 00:10:32,806 --> 00:10:34,155 We've actually 245 00:10:34,285 --> 00:10:38,246 had stories involving UAPs that have 246 00:10:38,376 --> 00:10:41,728 entered into mesas... 247 00:10:43,643 --> 00:10:46,167 ...and just gone right into the rock. 248 00:10:53,783 --> 00:10:56,090 This idea of portals, of dimensions, 249 00:10:56,220 --> 00:11:00,790 it all ties together, and that's what we're seeing with a lot 250 00:11:00,921 --> 00:11:03,184 of these places and I think that's what you're 251 00:11:03,314 --> 00:11:05,534 experiencing in the Uinta Basin there. 252 00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:09,625 A lot of phenomenon that's associated 253 00:11:09,756 --> 00:11:11,496 with cross-dimensional things going on. 254 00:11:11,627 --> 00:11:14,108 Wow. We'd really love 255 00:11:14,238 --> 00:11:16,850 to have you come to the ranch and look at a few things. 256 00:11:16,980 --> 00:11:18,416 Based on what you've told us today 257 00:11:18,547 --> 00:11:20,244 and your interpretation of these panels, 258 00:11:20,375 --> 00:11:23,291 I think there's a good chance that the same 259 00:11:23,421 --> 00:11:25,119 people that were here 260 00:11:25,249 --> 00:11:27,469 could've very well been on our ranch at one point. 261 00:11:27,599 --> 00:11:30,080 I think we'd both benefit 262 00:11:30,211 --> 00:11:33,475 from you coming to the ranch and giving your insight to 263 00:11:33,605 --> 00:11:35,564 what we've seen there. - We have some 264 00:11:35,695 --> 00:11:38,088 very interesting things right on the Skinwalker Ranch. 265 00:11:38,219 --> 00:11:40,308 It might be things you've never seen before, so... 266 00:11:40,438 --> 00:11:42,614 I'd love to come over there. - Great. 267 00:11:42,745 --> 00:11:44,225 Lead the way. 268 00:11:49,970 --> 00:11:52,146 I think we should stop right here. 269 00:11:52,276 --> 00:11:54,356 Because of what happened last year with the sensors 270 00:11:54,452 --> 00:11:55,976 on Brandon's helicopter 271 00:11:56,106 --> 00:11:57,629 detecting an object right below us, 272 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,632 and also, what happened just two weeks ago 273 00:12:00,763 --> 00:12:03,635 when we dropped GPS units into the triangle anomaly 274 00:12:03,766 --> 00:12:05,507 which appeared to just bounce off 275 00:12:05,637 --> 00:12:08,075 of an invisible object in the sky above the ranch... 276 00:12:08,205 --> 00:12:10,512 Hey, Kendra, how are you? - Hey. 277 00:12:10,642 --> 00:12:12,079 ...we really wanted to go further 278 00:12:12,209 --> 00:12:13,621 with attempting to map that anomaly. 279 00:12:13,645 --> 00:12:14,797 So, to conduct today's experiment 280 00:12:14,821 --> 00:12:16,736 above the triangle area, 281 00:12:16,866 --> 00:12:19,869 Cameron Fugal put us in touch with a pilot named Kendra Hart 282 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,784 who's agreed to take Erik up in her Cessna 283 00:12:21,915 --> 00:12:23,743 to help us collect our data. 284 00:12:23,873 --> 00:12:26,310 Since you fly out here, have you flown over the property? 285 00:12:26,441 --> 00:12:27,877 The ranch itself? 286 00:12:28,008 --> 00:12:29,487 I have not. 287 00:12:29,618 --> 00:12:31,402 Most of my students stay further west and so, 288 00:12:31,533 --> 00:12:33,253 this will be my first time this far out east 289 00:12:33,317 --> 00:12:34,717 and especially over the ranch, so... 290 00:12:34,797 --> 00:12:36,427 Really? - Yeah, it will be my first time. 291 00:12:36,451 --> 00:12:38,192 First time? - First time. So... 292 00:12:38,322 --> 00:12:41,761 What we want to do is fly from here over to the ranch. 293 00:12:41,891 --> 00:12:43,501 When you get there, 294 00:12:43,632 --> 00:12:45,677 we would like for you to do a grid pattern, 295 00:12:45,808 --> 00:12:48,332 at, uh, five different altitudes. 296 00:12:48,463 --> 00:12:50,247 Erik will show you the points of interest, 297 00:12:50,378 --> 00:12:52,225 but there's a triangle right in the middle of the property 298 00:12:52,249 --> 00:12:54,686 and directly above that, 299 00:12:54,817 --> 00:12:57,733 between, say, 2,500 and 5,000 feet, 300 00:12:57,864 --> 00:12:59,517 we've seen some weird things. 301 00:12:59,648 --> 00:13:01,476 Okay. - And, so we're hoping to get 302 00:13:01,606 --> 00:13:03,957 some instrumentation in that area 303 00:13:04,087 --> 00:13:05,891 and see if we can figure out what those weird things are. 304 00:13:05,915 --> 00:13:08,004 Awesome. - One thing that, 305 00:13:08,135 --> 00:13:10,877 uh, not to scare you, but occasionally, 306 00:13:11,007 --> 00:13:12,530 when people are on the ranch and even 307 00:13:12,661 --> 00:13:14,881 above the ranch have 308 00:13:15,011 --> 00:13:17,535 sort of a physiological response to being there. 309 00:13:17,666 --> 00:13:19,346 If you start feeling anything at any point, 310 00:13:19,407 --> 00:13:20,669 you know, you're the pilot, 311 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,627 if it's time to abort the mission 312 00:13:22,758 --> 00:13:24,562 'cause you got a weird feeling, then you abort the mission. 313 00:13:24,586 --> 00:13:26,022 All right? - Mm-hmm. 314 00:13:26,153 --> 00:13:28,329 Well, we've got some work to do to get ready to go 315 00:13:28,459 --> 00:13:29,739 and you may have some flight prep 316 00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:31,201 or something. - Absolutely. 317 00:13:31,332 --> 00:13:33,551 So, we'll be maybe in and out of the cargo area 318 00:13:33,682 --> 00:13:36,337 for the next couple minutes and then we'll be ready to go. - Okay. 319 00:13:36,467 --> 00:13:38,532 Let's get it done. All right, Erik, let's grab everything. 320 00:13:38,556 --> 00:13:40,950 I'll be going up in the Cessna aircraft today 321 00:13:41,081 --> 00:13:42,865 with some GPS trackers 322 00:13:42,996 --> 00:13:45,041 and a data-logging radiation meter, 323 00:13:45,172 --> 00:13:47,914 our standard equipment set including our spectrum analyzer, 324 00:13:48,044 --> 00:13:49,741 Geiger counter 325 00:13:49,872 --> 00:13:52,832 and other local equipment to observe whether 326 00:13:52,962 --> 00:13:55,008 there are any GPS anomalies 327 00:13:55,138 --> 00:13:57,488 up near the 5,000-foot point over the triangle. 328 00:13:57,619 --> 00:13:59,447 All right. 329 00:13:59,577 --> 00:14:01,697 I'm gonna close it up and then go put it in the plane. 330 00:14:01,753 --> 00:14:03,277 Sounds good. 331 00:14:03,407 --> 00:14:05,279 Today, the plan is to fly 332 00:14:05,409 --> 00:14:08,282 the Cessna in a sequential push broom pattern over the ranch 333 00:14:08,412 --> 00:14:11,067 sweeping back and forth over the triangle 334 00:14:11,198 --> 00:14:13,940 at various altitudes. At the same time, 335 00:14:14,070 --> 00:14:16,377 using the GPS sensors to collect data 336 00:14:16,507 --> 00:14:18,529 that we hope will give us a three-dimensional model 337 00:14:18,553 --> 00:14:20,468 of the anomaly 338 00:14:20,598 --> 00:14:22,818 that we believe is up there somewhere between 339 00:14:22,949 --> 00:14:25,777 3,000 and 5,000 feet above the ground. 340 00:14:25,908 --> 00:14:27,788 What do you got there? - This is your headset. 341 00:14:27,910 --> 00:14:31,609 Got it. - Okay, and then, this is the radio 342 00:14:31,740 --> 00:14:33,829 that we are using for the radio source. 343 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,614 For this experiment, we're also making use of 344 00:14:36,745 --> 00:14:38,921 a new avionic comm system, 345 00:14:39,052 --> 00:14:40,531 making it easier for us to directly 346 00:14:40,662 --> 00:14:42,925 communicate from the aircraft to the ground. 347 00:14:43,056 --> 00:14:45,580 I'm gonna head back over to the ranch. 348 00:14:45,710 --> 00:14:47,930 You guys get in the air. We're burning daylight, right? 349 00:14:48,061 --> 00:14:49,889 See you. - All right, see you in a bit. 350 00:15:11,998 --> 00:15:14,174 While I'm in the plane above the ranch, 351 00:15:14,304 --> 00:15:16,480 the rest of the team will be monitoring from below. 352 00:15:16,611 --> 00:15:19,440 I'm really excited to see what happens 353 00:15:19,570 --> 00:15:21,050 during the course of the experiment. 354 00:15:29,450 --> 00:15:31,191 I've got these antennas running. 355 00:15:31,321 --> 00:15:34,281 This is going out to the two jaggies. - Okay. 356 00:15:34,411 --> 00:15:37,327 Once she gets over here, we should, uh, 357 00:15:37,458 --> 00:15:39,112 see her start tracking on there. 358 00:15:39,242 --> 00:15:40,635 Okay. 359 00:15:40,765 --> 00:15:42,047 We're going to monitor this experiment 360 00:15:42,071 --> 00:15:43,309 with a couple of different systems. 361 00:15:43,333 --> 00:15:45,596 First, we have an ADSB. 362 00:15:45,727 --> 00:15:48,077 Now, that identifies all the air traffic flying 363 00:15:48,208 --> 00:15:50,950 in the vicinity of the ranch and shows them on a map. 364 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,995 We've also mounted two antennas 365 00:15:53,126 --> 00:15:54,526 on the deck of the command center. 366 00:15:54,605 --> 00:15:56,607 Those are pointed at the triangle 367 00:15:56,738 --> 00:15:59,219 to track the signals being broadcast from Kendra's plane 368 00:15:59,349 --> 00:16:01,003 as well as scan 369 00:16:01,134 --> 00:16:02,700 for any dangerous energy spikes 370 00:16:02,831 --> 00:16:04,528 like we've detected there in the past. 371 00:16:04,659 --> 00:16:07,140 All right, great. Ah, let me get this going. 372 00:16:08,445 --> 00:16:10,447 There it is, got it. All right, both are... 373 00:16:10,578 --> 00:16:12,972 Both antennas and radios are functioning properly. 374 00:16:14,016 --> 00:16:15,539 Hey, Kaleb. 375 00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:17,498 This is the command center, do you copy? 376 00:16:17,628 --> 00:16:19,456 Go ahead. 377 00:16:19,587 --> 00:16:21,241 Start keeping an eye out, 378 00:16:21,371 --> 00:16:23,373 probably five to ten minutes before we see them. 379 00:16:23,504 --> 00:16:26,289 10-4. You guys will be the first to know. 380 00:16:48,529 --> 00:16:51,401 This may be them right here 'cause this looks like... 381 00:16:51,532 --> 00:16:52,924 would this be Roosevelt right here? 382 00:16:53,055 --> 00:16:55,797 No. So, Roosevelt Airport is about right here. 383 00:16:55,927 --> 00:16:57,929 Oh, then why are we not seeing their ADSB take off? 384 00:16:58,060 --> 00:16:59,366 I don't understand that. 385 00:16:59,496 --> 00:17:01,542 We're not getting them. 386 00:17:01,672 --> 00:17:05,328 So, we need to make sure that their, uh, ADSB is transponding. 387 00:17:05,459 --> 00:17:08,244 Even though the Cessna was approaching the ranch, 388 00:17:08,375 --> 00:17:10,899 it never showed up on the ADSB system. 389 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:14,076 All the other air traffic in the area appeared on the map, 390 00:17:14,207 --> 00:17:15,860 and I could see with our antenna set up 391 00:17:15,991 --> 00:17:17,906 that she was still broadcasting. 392 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:20,126 What could cause Kendra's plane 393 00:17:20,256 --> 00:17:21,866 not to show up on the ADSB like that? 394 00:17:21,997 --> 00:17:23,607 It makes no sense. 395 00:17:23,738 --> 00:17:25,618 Why are we not... - We're not picking them up. 396 00:17:34,401 --> 00:17:35,576 Here. 397 00:17:36,794 --> 00:17:39,058 Hey, Erik, this is Travis, do you copy? 398 00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:44,759 We-we are not seeing you on the ADSB. 399 00:17:48,893 --> 00:17:51,200 I wonder if Kaleb's gotten eyes on them. 400 00:17:51,331 --> 00:17:52,767 Yeah, call Kaleb and ask him. 401 00:17:56,249 --> 00:17:57,685 Go ahead. 402 00:17:57,815 --> 00:17:59,774 Have you gotten eyes on the plane yet? 403 00:17:59,904 --> 00:18:01,950 10-4. 404 00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:04,605 It's, uh, going over the property now. 405 00:18:16,486 --> 00:18:18,097 What the heck is going on up there? 406 00:18:25,626 --> 00:18:28,977 So... why are we not picking her up? 407 00:18:30,413 --> 00:18:32,067 Hey, Erik, it's Bryant. 408 00:18:32,198 --> 00:18:36,245 We are still not picking you up on the flight tracker. 409 00:18:36,376 --> 00:18:40,423 Do you have any other traffic on the display right now? 410 00:18:40,554 --> 00:18:42,338 Tell him yes. - Yes, we do. 411 00:18:42,469 --> 00:18:44,645 We are seeing all sorts of air traffic. 412 00:18:46,951 --> 00:18:48,866 But she's broadcasting on the ADSB. 413 00:18:48,997 --> 00:18:50,607 I'm watching her. 414 00:18:50,738 --> 00:18:52,418 This is her, right here with both antennas. 415 00:18:52,522 --> 00:18:54,133 She's broadcasting... 416 00:18:54,263 --> 00:18:55,823 Yeah, I can see that. - ...the signal. 417 00:18:56,874 --> 00:18:58,137 I mean, this is picking up 418 00:18:58,267 --> 00:19:00,400 planes that are a hundred miles away 419 00:19:00,530 --> 00:19:02,050 and 30,000 feet up. - That doesn't... 420 00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:03,620 That doesn't make any sense. 421 00:19:05,535 --> 00:19:08,321 I had antennas that were tuned to that frequency, 422 00:19:08,451 --> 00:19:11,062 and I could pick up the signal coming from the airplane, 423 00:19:11,193 --> 00:19:12,238 but for some reason 424 00:19:12,368 --> 00:19:14,718 her system isn't working. 425 00:19:14,849 --> 00:19:17,068 This is what's so weird about the ranch. 426 00:19:17,199 --> 00:19:19,375 One thing we do know is, 427 00:19:19,506 --> 00:19:23,727 uh, her system does record the ADSB data, 428 00:19:23,858 --> 00:19:26,295 and even though we will get a text file 429 00:19:26,426 --> 00:19:30,343 that we can reinterpret after the flight, but I wanted it now. 430 00:19:31,779 --> 00:19:33,389 It wasn't ideal, 431 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,653 but we knew that Erik was collecting GPS data 432 00:19:36,784 --> 00:19:40,875 and Kendra was recording the ADSB data. 433 00:19:41,005 --> 00:19:43,747 We hoped that would be enough to salvage some of this experiment. 434 00:19:43,878 --> 00:19:45,421 So should I still keep going over or...? 435 00:19:45,445 --> 00:19:46,533 Oh, yeah. 436 00:19:53,714 --> 00:19:55,498 Over the middle of the triangle. 437 00:19:55,629 --> 00:19:57,674 All right. - Got it. 438 00:19:57,805 --> 00:19:59,981 Wait, is that-- There they are. Right there, look. 439 00:20:00,111 --> 00:20:01,698 Thomas, in the middle. Look in the middle. 440 00:20:01,722 --> 00:20:03,002 Look way up there. - Okay, yup. 441 00:20:03,114 --> 00:20:03,941 There they are, right there. 442 00:20:04,072 --> 00:20:06,335 November 8-4-7-1-7, 443 00:20:06,466 --> 00:20:08,555 could you tell us your pressure altitude, please? 444 00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:13,777 So, that's... 445 00:20:13,908 --> 00:20:15,562 Going up to 4,000 feet above ground level. 446 00:20:15,692 --> 00:20:16,737 Gosh, she's moving fast. 447 00:20:18,434 --> 00:20:20,480 Thomas, I got them coming in eastbound 448 00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:21,916 over the triangle again. 449 00:20:23,526 --> 00:20:25,006 While Erik and Kendra were continuing 450 00:20:25,093 --> 00:20:26,964 their pattern sweep above the triangle, 451 00:20:27,095 --> 00:20:29,228 all we could do back in the command center 452 00:20:29,358 --> 00:20:31,795 was just hope that they were getting data that we could use. 453 00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:36,017 Hopefully, the GPS trackers are the saving grace 454 00:20:36,147 --> 00:20:37,864 for this experiment, because we're not getting 455 00:20:37,888 --> 00:20:39,325 what we want out of this. - Yeah, 456 00:20:39,455 --> 00:20:41,544 I'm hoping I can salvage something out of it. 457 00:20:41,675 --> 00:20:43,111 We have not had 458 00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:45,461 a single experiment out at the triangle, 459 00:20:45,592 --> 00:20:48,595 up in the air, that has gone per plan. 460 00:20:48,725 --> 00:20:50,988 So, what is it about the triangle 461 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,817 and us trying to do experiments at the triangle 462 00:20:53,948 --> 00:20:56,603 that seems to trigger, you know, irregularities? 463 00:20:56,733 --> 00:20:58,213 It seems 464 00:20:58,344 --> 00:21:02,261 like someone or something, doesn't want us 465 00:21:02,391 --> 00:21:03,711 to collect data from the triangle. 466 00:21:05,176 --> 00:21:07,004 That's what it seems like. 467 00:21:07,135 --> 00:21:08,963 It's a pattern. 468 00:21:09,093 --> 00:21:10,533 It's certainly making it hard for us. 469 00:21:19,539 --> 00:21:20,975 Copy that. 470 00:21:26,937 --> 00:21:29,157 What happened? What the heck is that? 471 00:21:31,638 --> 00:21:35,032 What just suddenly popped up on... What? 472 00:21:35,163 --> 00:21:36,991 That 1.6. 473 00:21:37,121 --> 00:21:38,882 It was there for a couple seconds, now it's gone. 474 00:21:38,906 --> 00:21:39,906 It sure as heck was. 475 00:21:55,879 --> 00:21:58,055 What are you hearing? 476 00:22:06,237 --> 00:22:08,501 All right, what's going on? 477 00:22:08,631 --> 00:22:10,348 We're not broadcasting anything like that. All right. 478 00:22:10,372 --> 00:22:12,412 So, yeah, we're not broadcasting anything like that. 479 00:22:31,698 --> 00:22:35,658 Negative, Erik, there's, uh, nothing within 480 00:22:35,789 --> 00:22:39,053 40, 50 miles of the ranch. 481 00:22:42,099 --> 00:22:43,884 Is it another airplane? 482 00:22:53,067 --> 00:22:55,504 We were all totally mystified 483 00:22:55,635 --> 00:22:59,421 when both Erik and Kendra, the pilot, suddenly reported 484 00:22:59,552 --> 00:23:02,511 that some kind of shadow was tracking along with the Cessna. 485 00:23:02,642 --> 00:23:05,166 That's extremely strange. 486 00:23:05,296 --> 00:23:07,560 We checked our ADSB system 487 00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:09,997 and there was no other plane in the area. 488 00:23:10,127 --> 00:23:11,999 It immediately made me think of last year 489 00:23:12,129 --> 00:23:13,783 when Erik and I were 490 00:23:13,914 --> 00:23:15,394 in the helicopter with Cameron Fugal 491 00:23:15,481 --> 00:23:17,831 over the triangle and something showed up 492 00:23:17,961 --> 00:23:19,659 on his radar just 50 feet beneath us. 493 00:23:22,662 --> 00:23:24,822 There's something underneath us according to the radar. 494 00:23:25,578 --> 00:23:27,928 That we later identified in camera footage 495 00:23:28,058 --> 00:23:30,583 as some kind of shadowy UAP. 496 00:23:31,714 --> 00:23:34,021 Kaleb, do you have eyes 497 00:23:34,151 --> 00:23:35,326 on a second aircraft? 498 00:23:35,457 --> 00:23:37,764 I am scanning now. 499 00:23:43,726 --> 00:23:46,512 Look at that. - The 1.6 is going crazy. 500 00:23:46,642 --> 00:23:49,253 I don't know what that is. 501 00:23:50,951 --> 00:23:53,257 In the middle of all this chaos, once again 502 00:23:53,388 --> 00:23:56,652 the spectrum analyzer suddenly registered an RF radiation spike 503 00:23:56,783 --> 00:24:00,308 at a frequency of 1.6 gigahertz. 504 00:24:00,439 --> 00:24:02,441 Now, that's the same kind of energy spike 505 00:24:02,571 --> 00:24:06,749 we've seen over and over when UAPs have appeared in the past. 506 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,057 And it happened at the same time Erik and Kendra were seeing 507 00:24:10,187 --> 00:24:12,363 the shadow of some sort of mysterious aircraft. 508 00:24:18,369 --> 00:24:19,414 What is that? 509 00:24:19,545 --> 00:24:21,460 What the heck? 510 00:24:22,548 --> 00:24:23,766 What? 511 00:24:24,898 --> 00:24:26,813 Why is that picking us up? 512 00:24:28,031 --> 00:24:30,077 Uh... It's picking us all up. 513 00:24:30,207 --> 00:24:33,080 Just after the 1.6 gigahertz RF spike 514 00:24:33,210 --> 00:24:36,518 in the control room, we suddenly heard our own voices 515 00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:40,043 being broadcast and echoing back at us. 516 00:24:40,174 --> 00:24:42,481 Call them and tell them to give me the signal. 517 00:24:45,396 --> 00:24:48,356 Stand by, stand by for one moment, please. 518 00:24:48,487 --> 00:24:50,489 There's no way that should have been possible. 519 00:24:50,619 --> 00:24:52,360 It was like we were being recorded 520 00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:55,058 by someone or something in real time. 521 00:24:56,625 --> 00:24:58,497 Maybe it's in here. 522 00:25:06,635 --> 00:25:08,942 That is telling us that one of us 523 00:25:09,072 --> 00:25:13,773 is broadcasting at 1.623800 gigahertz. 524 00:25:13,903 --> 00:25:16,558 That is really odd. 525 00:25:18,038 --> 00:25:20,388 Erik and I have been having a conversation lately 526 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:22,477 that we think that there could be 527 00:25:22,608 --> 00:25:25,262 an eavesdropping device here. 528 00:25:26,699 --> 00:25:29,397 Maybe we've been detecting it with the spectrum analyzers. 529 00:25:29,528 --> 00:25:31,268 And it... 530 00:25:31,399 --> 00:25:32,879 That might be it. 531 00:25:33,009 --> 00:25:34,620 Really? 532 00:25:34,750 --> 00:25:36,491 And so, somebody is turning it on and off 533 00:25:36,622 --> 00:25:38,754 which is why we're not seeing it all the time. 534 00:25:38,885 --> 00:25:41,017 Possibly. 535 00:25:41,148 --> 00:25:43,716 The strange energy spike along with the sound frequency 536 00:25:43,846 --> 00:25:46,283 from the radio and our voices being 537 00:25:46,414 --> 00:25:49,330 broadcast and echoing back at us could mean 538 00:25:49,460 --> 00:25:51,637 that we are being surveilled on the ranch. 539 00:25:51,767 --> 00:25:54,988 But what I can't even begin to explain, 540 00:25:55,118 --> 00:25:57,207 especially given that Erik and Kendra saw 541 00:25:57,338 --> 00:25:59,340 what they believed to be a UAP, 542 00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:02,169 is what the source of that surveillance could be. 543 00:26:02,299 --> 00:26:04,339 I'm gonna walk outside and see if somehow it's on me 544 00:26:04,388 --> 00:26:05,999 and then maybe you guys take turns. 545 00:26:06,129 --> 00:26:09,437 So, you go out and talk. 546 00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:11,570 Right. - We'll listen for you. 547 00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:13,981 Okay. Yep. - And then we can send him out there with you. 548 00:26:16,313 --> 00:26:19,752 Hello, can you guys hear me? Hello, testing, testing... 549 00:26:19,882 --> 00:26:21,492 Well, we can hear him. - Yeah. 550 00:26:21,623 --> 00:26:22,842 This has me really concerned. 551 00:26:22,972 --> 00:26:25,061 The fact that 552 00:26:25,192 --> 00:26:29,196 there is something or someone that could be listening to us 553 00:26:29,326 --> 00:26:32,591 and actually broadcasting our sound back to us again? 554 00:26:34,244 --> 00:26:35,594 Why is this happening? 555 00:26:35,724 --> 00:26:38,248 So, we could still hear you outside. 556 00:26:38,379 --> 00:26:39,989 Huh. 557 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,383 Testing, testing, testing. 558 00:26:42,513 --> 00:26:45,821 Are you guys picking me up at all? Testing, testing. 559 00:26:45,952 --> 00:26:48,737 The most troubling thing for me 560 00:26:48,868 --> 00:26:51,871 was hearing Travis, Bryant 561 00:26:52,001 --> 00:26:54,743 and myself being broadcast over this frequency. 562 00:26:54,874 --> 00:26:56,832 What in the crap does that mean? 563 00:26:56,963 --> 00:26:58,355 I've said before, 564 00:26:58,486 --> 00:27:00,749 is there not any safe place on the ranch? 565 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,318 I would say now, is there any private place on the ranch? 566 00:27:07,451 --> 00:27:09,062 The signal stopped. 567 00:27:10,454 --> 00:27:12,456 What have we played with? - What just happened? 568 00:27:12,587 --> 00:27:15,285 That was really odd. 569 00:27:15,416 --> 00:27:17,636 So, we are descending now... 570 00:27:31,432 --> 00:27:32,781 We were getting this interference 571 00:27:32,912 --> 00:27:34,783 on our, on our comms. 572 00:27:37,917 --> 00:27:39,875 Erik, I don't like that. 573 00:27:40,006 --> 00:27:43,531 I would advise that you come down, from a safety standpoint. 574 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,846 ...head on back to the airport from there. 575 00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:04,857 Well, they're done. That's it. 576 00:28:04,987 --> 00:28:06,312 They're headed back to the airport. 577 00:28:06,336 --> 00:28:07,860 Erik's still got the handheld 578 00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:09,644 if we want to talk to him on his way, 579 00:28:09,775 --> 00:28:11,535 but they'll be at the airport in five or ten minutes. 580 00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:13,213 All right. 581 00:28:13,343 --> 00:28:15,041 The main bit of data 582 00:28:15,171 --> 00:28:17,304 that we're really looking forward to 583 00:28:17,434 --> 00:28:19,915 is the GPS data that Erik and I put 584 00:28:20,046 --> 00:28:22,309 in the plane, it's collecting it real time 585 00:28:22,439 --> 00:28:24,790 on the computer so we know it's actually working. 586 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,531 And when he gets on the ground and we crunch that, 587 00:28:27,662 --> 00:28:31,492 we're gonna be able to create a GPS anomaly map 588 00:28:31,622 --> 00:28:33,886 over the entire ranch from a thousand feet 589 00:28:34,016 --> 00:28:35,844 to 6,000 feet above ground level. 590 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:39,128 They'll be there before I get there, 591 00:28:39,152 --> 00:28:40,259 so I probably need to get going. 592 00:28:40,283 --> 00:28:41,720 Okay. - Okay. 593 00:28:52,861 --> 00:28:54,515 Well, hey, Jon. - Hey, hello. 594 00:28:54,645 --> 00:28:56,560 After meeting 595 00:28:56,691 --> 00:28:58,911 with Jon at McConkie, it was obvious that he needed 596 00:28:59,041 --> 00:29:00,869 to come to Skinwalker Ranch. 597 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,305 His interpretation 598 00:29:02,436 --> 00:29:03,785 of the petroglyphs and pictographs 599 00:29:03,916 --> 00:29:06,179 that are up on the walls at McConkie Ranch 600 00:29:06,309 --> 00:29:09,530 could be really interesting to Erik and Travis. 601 00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:12,141 There's a lot of similarities in what we saw there 602 00:29:12,272 --> 00:29:14,622 and then there are some things here that 603 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:16,102 I've never seen before and we hope 604 00:29:16,232 --> 00:29:17,538 you can give us some insight on. 605 00:29:17,668 --> 00:29:19,279 Right, I'd love to see them. 606 00:29:19,409 --> 00:29:21,760 Let's jump in the Ranger and head down. 607 00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:28,201 We've found a strange notable location 608 00:29:28,331 --> 00:29:29,768 on top of the mesa, 609 00:29:29,898 --> 00:29:31,508 and we are hoping to get his take 610 00:29:31,639 --> 00:29:32,901 on what it is. 611 00:29:33,032 --> 00:29:34,816 So, it is just right 612 00:29:34,947 --> 00:29:38,037 kind of at the top of this mesa, so it's a little bit of a hike. 613 00:29:39,255 --> 00:29:40,648 It's important that we explore 614 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:42,302 what all these sites could mean 615 00:29:42,432 --> 00:29:46,132 in the bigger picture of the ranch. 616 00:29:47,524 --> 00:29:50,919 Yeah, so, this spot is some sort of mound. 617 00:29:53,704 --> 00:29:55,794 Absolutely amazing. 618 00:29:59,232 --> 00:30:01,190 The fact that there's all of these stones 619 00:30:01,321 --> 00:30:04,715 around what seems to be some sort of mound 620 00:30:04,846 --> 00:30:06,892 in the very middle. 621 00:30:07,022 --> 00:30:09,111 What do you think? 622 00:30:09,242 --> 00:30:12,767 I get the sense that this is something sacred here. 623 00:30:12,898 --> 00:30:14,856 That it was purpose-built. 624 00:30:14,987 --> 00:30:17,119 I was gonna make a suggestion. 625 00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:18,686 Mm-hmm. - Um... 626 00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:22,733 In a lot of native cultures, your... 627 00:30:22,864 --> 00:30:26,694 you approach things from a clockwise direction. 628 00:30:26,825 --> 00:30:31,177 So, uh, what I'd like to do is approach this and go around 629 00:30:31,307 --> 00:30:33,005 in a clockwise manner 630 00:30:33,135 --> 00:30:34,963 and take a look at things. - Okay. 631 00:30:35,094 --> 00:30:39,794 It's just a sign of respect on any type of sacred site 632 00:30:39,925 --> 00:30:43,058 and we just want to honor that here. 633 00:30:43,189 --> 00:30:47,019 If you go counterclockwise, it's kind of a negative thing. 634 00:30:47,149 --> 00:30:49,195 Let's do that. - Yeah, why don't you lead the way? 635 00:30:52,111 --> 00:30:54,635 We got up to the top of the mesa there 636 00:30:54,765 --> 00:30:57,072 and to me it looked almost like 637 00:30:57,203 --> 00:30:59,814 a Stonehenge-type structure 638 00:30:59,945 --> 00:31:02,773 with these rocks in a circular pattern around there. 639 00:31:02,904 --> 00:31:06,299 Traditional beliefs with the Navajo are 640 00:31:06,429 --> 00:31:08,736 something that is brought up when you're a child. 641 00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:10,433 You grow up 642 00:31:10,564 --> 00:31:12,124 in that there is a certain way to act, 643 00:31:12,174 --> 00:31:13,828 there is a certain way to do things 644 00:31:13,959 --> 00:31:19,051 and so, you would start and go clockwise around it 645 00:31:19,181 --> 00:31:24,012 and come back to it to complete the circle before you entered. 646 00:31:24,143 --> 00:31:28,364 Um, that's just traditional-- most native tribes. 647 00:31:28,495 --> 00:31:30,801 So, I want to stop and show you something 648 00:31:30,932 --> 00:31:33,021 on this boulder. 649 00:31:33,152 --> 00:31:37,504 Maybe you want to step over and look at it here yourself 650 00:31:37,634 --> 00:31:40,724 for just a minute, but there were a few things... 651 00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:44,250 ...that seemed worth noting. 652 00:31:46,339 --> 00:31:47,818 What do you think of those? 653 00:31:47,949 --> 00:31:53,041 What I'm seeing here is four distinct lines 654 00:31:53,172 --> 00:31:55,522 that are carved into this rock 655 00:31:55,652 --> 00:31:58,177 and, uh, typically, 656 00:31:58,307 --> 00:32:00,483 they could be marking periods of time. 657 00:32:00,614 --> 00:32:02,529 We don't know what the time was. 658 00:32:02,659 --> 00:32:04,768 And then... - And around the side there, you'll see... 659 00:32:04,792 --> 00:32:06,228 You see right where you're standing. 660 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:08,317 You see that little... - Yeah. 661 00:32:08,448 --> 00:32:11,625 We understand the erosion here, but that hole... 662 00:32:12,626 --> 00:32:14,933 Right. - Yeah, so... 663 00:32:16,847 --> 00:32:18,719 That looks like it could be natural? 664 00:32:18,849 --> 00:32:22,766 Well, this one, uh, if you... if you sight through it, 665 00:32:22,897 --> 00:32:24,638 it's right on the horizon. - Mm-hmm. 666 00:32:24,768 --> 00:32:26,596 When you're looking at it. 667 00:32:26,727 --> 00:32:29,860 And during spring and fall, 668 00:32:29,991 --> 00:32:32,341 when the sun rises, 669 00:32:32,472 --> 00:32:34,474 it-it comes straight through this hole. 670 00:32:34,604 --> 00:32:36,519 Yeah. 671 00:32:36,650 --> 00:32:38,608 So, what do you believe this is? 672 00:32:38,739 --> 00:32:40,959 This place? - This is, uh, 673 00:32:41,089 --> 00:32:42,961 is rather interesting. 674 00:32:43,091 --> 00:32:46,268 Uh, when I see mounds like this, 675 00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:49,619 it could be a holy place. 676 00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:52,361 I'm thinking here's a place 677 00:32:52,492 --> 00:32:54,276 where prayers were offered. 678 00:32:54,407 --> 00:32:55,669 A sacred place. 679 00:32:57,627 --> 00:32:59,542 I believe that this area was used 680 00:32:59,673 --> 00:33:02,502 as a talisman to keep the evil on that side. 681 00:33:11,641 --> 00:33:12,207 That's incredible. 682 00:33:12,338 --> 00:33:13,469 Hmm. 683 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,470 I'm thinking there's 684 00:33:14,601 --> 00:33:16,603 definitely something here. 685 00:33:16,733 --> 00:33:19,127 And I-I just, I can... 686 00:33:19,258 --> 00:33:21,521 I can feel it in my bones, you know? Mm-hmm. 687 00:33:21,651 --> 00:33:22,913 Yeah. 688 00:33:23,044 --> 00:33:24,219 Well, let's continue around 689 00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:26,613 and complete the circle. - Okay. 690 00:33:26,743 --> 00:33:29,616 Looking at this place in its entirety, it struck me 691 00:33:29,746 --> 00:33:31,879 as a holy place. 692 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:36,362 It could have been used as some kind of protection ceremony 693 00:33:36,492 --> 00:33:40,670 to keep whatever is historically here on Skinwalker Ranch 694 00:33:40,801 --> 00:33:44,239 from traveling over the mesa. 695 00:33:44,370 --> 00:33:48,504 And we have basically a spiral right here... 696 00:33:49,853 --> 00:33:53,988 ...that's been put into this ground here. 697 00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:57,513 And as we've seen today at McConkie 698 00:33:57,644 --> 00:33:59,472 and maybe here, that spiral 699 00:33:59,602 --> 00:34:01,300 is indicative of... 700 00:34:01,430 --> 00:34:04,390 A portal, a dimensional rift, an opening. 701 00:34:06,392 --> 00:34:09,395 The ancient people that populated this land 702 00:34:09,525 --> 00:34:11,658 knew of this place. 703 00:34:11,788 --> 00:34:15,401 There's evil there, there is something that can kill you, 704 00:34:15,531 --> 00:34:20,014 whether it's skinwalkers or some kind of malignant power. 705 00:34:20,145 --> 00:34:21,885 So, it doesn't strike me 706 00:34:22,016 --> 00:34:26,716 as unusual, this spiritual idea, this warding off 707 00:34:26,847 --> 00:34:28,457 of what could come that way. 708 00:34:28,588 --> 00:34:30,024 So, Jon, 709 00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:31,982 you've enlightened us so much 710 00:34:32,113 --> 00:34:34,202 and given us so much more to work on, 711 00:34:34,333 --> 00:34:36,248 and added greatly to our investigation, so... 712 00:34:36,378 --> 00:34:38,424 Well, good, good. I'm glad. - Yeah. 713 00:34:38,554 --> 00:34:40,252 Thank you for having me out here. 714 00:34:40,382 --> 00:34:43,385 Thank you for coming and spending this much time with us. 715 00:34:43,516 --> 00:34:44,778 Yeah, let's head back down. 716 00:34:54,962 --> 00:34:56,703 We're going to take a look at 717 00:34:56,833 --> 00:35:00,707 the data that we got out of the experiment with the Cessna. 718 00:35:00,837 --> 00:35:02,883 I've got our own data. 719 00:35:03,013 --> 00:35:04,798 We also have some data from the pilot. 720 00:35:04,928 --> 00:35:06,669 Oh, good. 721 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,410 The day after our Cessna experiment 722 00:35:08,541 --> 00:35:11,674 over the triangle, Erik has all the data sorted out. 723 00:35:11,805 --> 00:35:14,286 So, we're eager to see what he was able to collect, 724 00:35:14,416 --> 00:35:17,202 given all the bizarre things that happened during the flight. 725 00:35:17,332 --> 00:35:19,465 I'm glad that you had instruments on board 726 00:35:19,595 --> 00:35:20,790 because we got bubkes of data here. 727 00:35:20,814 --> 00:35:22,685 Right. 728 00:35:22,816 --> 00:35:24,818 Now, I know, during the course of the experiment, 729 00:35:24,948 --> 00:35:28,387 we could never pick her up on the radar. 730 00:35:28,517 --> 00:35:29,668 You're talking about the ADSB receiver? 731 00:35:29,692 --> 00:35:31,390 Yeah. - Yeah. 732 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,001 Yeah, we saw you leave Roosevelt and go back to Roosevelt, 733 00:35:34,132 --> 00:35:35,698 but that's it. - Right after 734 00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:37,961 all the frustrations I know we had on the ground. 735 00:35:38,092 --> 00:35:40,921 I mean, the stuff that I got out of the actual data logging, 736 00:35:41,051 --> 00:35:42,531 it's really perplexing. 737 00:35:42,662 --> 00:35:44,316 Get this. 738 00:35:44,446 --> 00:35:45,966 These little guys, they receive signals 739 00:35:46,013 --> 00:35:47,493 directly from the satellites. 740 00:35:47,623 --> 00:35:49,059 They're GPS tracker units. 741 00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:51,975 I had five of these things on the flight. 742 00:35:52,106 --> 00:35:56,676 The data from four of the five was either absent or garbled. 743 00:35:56,806 --> 00:35:58,330 And get this. 744 00:35:58,460 --> 00:36:00,767 The one that worked, it's flawless. 745 00:36:00,897 --> 00:36:03,378 This is really suggestive 746 00:36:03,509 --> 00:36:05,511 that there is something locally going on here. 747 00:36:06,468 --> 00:36:07,556 Well, let's see it. 748 00:36:07,687 --> 00:36:09,689 Yeah, let me bring this up. 749 00:36:14,824 --> 00:36:17,218 So, here we are at the Roosevelt airstrip. 750 00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:19,089 And we did, just as planned, 751 00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:22,832 we did several altitudes making those S-turns 752 00:36:22,963 --> 00:36:25,748 and, uh, doing what we call the push broom pattern. 753 00:36:25,879 --> 00:36:28,403 So, you said that her system data-logged... 754 00:36:28,534 --> 00:36:30,414 Uh-huh. - ...uh, on board. So, what did it show? 755 00:36:30,449 --> 00:36:31,885 You're not going to believe this. 756 00:36:32,015 --> 00:36:35,497 So, this is what one of our units got. 757 00:36:35,628 --> 00:36:39,109 And as I said, it looks pristine. It really does. 758 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:40,459 I don't see anything in that, 759 00:36:40,589 --> 00:36:42,189 that looks like anything jumped out of... 760 00:36:42,287 --> 00:36:43,766 I mean, yeah. 761 00:36:43,897 --> 00:36:45,396 Now, you guys are not gonna believe this. 762 00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:47,683 Let me show you what I received from Kendra. 763 00:36:51,339 --> 00:36:53,254 Uh... is that under the ranch? 764 00:36:53,385 --> 00:36:55,038 So, yeah. I need to explain this. 765 00:36:55,169 --> 00:36:56,344 Look at that. 766 00:36:56,475 --> 00:36:57,737 Uh-huh. - That's interesting. 767 00:36:57,867 --> 00:36:59,304 Just as you saw 768 00:36:59,434 --> 00:37:01,871 with the yellow tracks from our trackers, 769 00:37:02,002 --> 00:37:04,309 uh, you see the flight out. 770 00:37:04,439 --> 00:37:06,311 Mm-hmm. - Okay? 771 00:37:06,441 --> 00:37:08,226 She's taking this path. 772 00:37:08,356 --> 00:37:11,794 We execute one loop, if you will, over the property 773 00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:13,231 and then everything falls apart. 774 00:37:16,495 --> 00:37:19,367 Many of the altitude readings 775 00:37:19,498 --> 00:37:21,717 that she reported were 776 00:37:21,848 --> 00:37:25,243 far beneath the ground; in fact, beneath sea level. 777 00:37:28,333 --> 00:37:30,335 And not just beneath sea level, but 62 and a half 778 00:37:30,465 --> 00:37:31,901 miles below sea level. 779 00:37:37,211 --> 00:37:39,169 62 and a half miles? - ERIK: Yes. 780 00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:43,478 62 and a half miles is the altitude above sea level 781 00:37:43,609 --> 00:37:47,700 that is considered the von Kármán line 782 00:37:47,830 --> 00:37:49,310 where you go from atmosphere to space. 783 00:37:50,659 --> 00:37:52,705 And that's exactly 62 and a half? 784 00:37:52,835 --> 00:37:54,663 And this is-is exactly 62 and a half miles. 785 00:37:54,794 --> 00:37:56,578 So, why did this choose 62 and a half miles 786 00:37:56,709 --> 00:37:58,058 under the ground? 787 00:37:58,188 --> 00:38:00,365 What do you get when you go there? 788 00:38:00,495 --> 00:38:03,019 That is weird, though. 789 00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:05,500 But this also is not the first time we've had 790 00:38:05,631 --> 00:38:08,677 GPS telling instrumentation that it's underground. Below ground. 791 00:38:08,808 --> 00:38:10,636 I know. That's right. - That's the point. 792 00:38:10,766 --> 00:38:14,161 These blue cubes appear to be 793 00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:17,033 70 feet below the surface of the mesa. 794 00:38:17,164 --> 00:38:18,513 Two weeks ago, 795 00:38:18,644 --> 00:38:20,472 when we flew up into the mile-high zone 796 00:38:20,602 --> 00:38:22,735 above the triangle in Brandon's helicopter, 797 00:38:22,865 --> 00:38:26,913 our GPS data indicated that we flew into the mesa 798 00:38:27,043 --> 00:38:29,394 and traveled through it for several hundred feet. 799 00:38:29,524 --> 00:38:31,570 It looks like you smashed into the mesa. 800 00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:33,833 What the heck? 801 00:38:33,963 --> 00:38:37,880 Now, this new GPS data collected over the same zone 802 00:38:38,011 --> 00:38:40,056 above the triangle indicates 803 00:38:40,187 --> 00:38:43,016 that the Cessna went into and below the mesa 804 00:38:43,146 --> 00:38:47,194 the same distance that it is from sea level to outer space. 805 00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:49,631 What in the hell could that possibly mean? 806 00:38:49,762 --> 00:38:51,720 Given this, 807 00:38:51,851 --> 00:38:54,201 and especially the fact that it seems like 808 00:38:54,332 --> 00:38:55,768 we're being monitored out here, 809 00:38:55,898 --> 00:38:57,683 with that strange 810 00:38:57,813 --> 00:39:00,555 projecting of our voices remotely, 811 00:39:00,686 --> 00:39:04,429 it's definitely a security issue and so, 812 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:06,145 I'm going to let Brandon know what's going on 813 00:39:06,169 --> 00:39:07,736 and I'm sure he's going to be curious 814 00:39:07,867 --> 00:39:09,782 to know what's going on with the data as well. 815 00:39:09,912 --> 00:39:13,089 You know, I'm trying to think of other ways to look 816 00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:15,657 at this anomaly other than just GPS systems. 817 00:39:15,788 --> 00:39:18,312 What if we got some telescopes 818 00:39:18,443 --> 00:39:20,967 and we looked through the anomaly, 819 00:39:21,097 --> 00:39:23,099 and if it is some sort 820 00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:24,840 of optical or gravitational anomaly, 821 00:39:24,971 --> 00:39:27,669 our atmosphere should change. 822 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,237 And it should change in a way that it's not supposed to. 823 00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:32,761 And then, we would measure, "Hey, look, there's something, 824 00:39:32,892 --> 00:39:35,590 an anomaly there," and that would be data. 825 00:39:36,765 --> 00:39:39,289 Well, I'm going to go call Brandon. 826 00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:41,248 Yeah, I'll reach out to the astronomy guys. 827 00:39:42,423 --> 00:39:43,729 That's cool stuff, Erik. 828 00:39:46,253 --> 00:39:48,386 Previous researchers have commented 829 00:39:48,516 --> 00:39:50,953 that theirs is the impression that the ranch phenomenology 830 00:39:51,084 --> 00:39:53,478 responds, if not anticipates, 831 00:39:53,608 --> 00:39:55,480 the experiments that they have attempted, 832 00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:58,134 and we do see some support for that 833 00:39:58,265 --> 00:40:00,006 in our experience here over the years. 834 00:40:00,136 --> 00:40:02,356 Perhaps what we're seeing with the ADSB 835 00:40:02,487 --> 00:40:06,752 transponder data receiver is an example of that interference. 836 00:40:08,493 --> 00:40:12,540 There are so many GPS anomalies that we're seeing. 837 00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:17,632 There could be actually some advanced physics 838 00:40:17,763 --> 00:40:19,721 like you would see in science fiction, 839 00:40:19,852 --> 00:40:21,984 or like the stories of portals opening up. 840 00:40:22,115 --> 00:40:24,900 Now, if that's the case, we could be on the edge 841 00:40:25,031 --> 00:40:26,946 of some amazing discoveries. 842 00:40:28,295 --> 00:40:30,253 Even with continued events 843 00:40:30,384 --> 00:40:33,126 occurring at the triangle, we have setbacks. 844 00:40:33,256 --> 00:40:36,346 It seems like something continues to push back on us 845 00:40:36,477 --> 00:40:38,131 and create obstacles. 846 00:40:38,261 --> 00:40:42,440 I think that just makes the team more determined than ever 847 00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:46,444 to try to find out what is behind 848 00:40:46,574 --> 00:40:48,184 a lot of the strange activity 849 00:40:48,315 --> 00:40:50,143 on Skinwalker Ranch. 850 00:40:55,801 --> 00:40:58,107 We would like to look through the anomaly 851 00:40:58,238 --> 00:41:00,109 at an astronomical object 852 00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,372 and see if they seem obscured. 853 00:41:02,503 --> 00:41:05,201 Erik, the cows have scattered through the entire field. 854 00:41:05,332 --> 00:41:07,682 Something's definitely scared them. 855 00:41:07,813 --> 00:41:09,815 What the hell is that in the sky? 856 00:41:09,945 --> 00:41:11,904 That thing is big and spherical. Yes, it is. 857 00:41:12,034 --> 00:41:14,036 It's got a black dot in the center of it. - What? 858 00:41:14,167 --> 00:41:16,430 There is something I'd like to get your eyes on. 859 00:41:16,561 --> 00:41:18,041 Whoa! What was that? - There, there. 860 00:41:18,171 --> 00:41:19,999 That's the brightest thing in the sky. 861 00:41:20,129 --> 00:41:22,349 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS