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‐Look at that.
‐What is that?
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THOMAS:
There's a helicopter coming in.
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That dude's hovering
right there.
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THOMAS: I think somebody's
watching us right now.
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There's something going on
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TRAVIS: What in the world?
There's no sign of struggle.
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It's just dead.
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‐(beeping)
‐The meter is going nuts.
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All the frequencies are excited.
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Mankind doesn't know
how to do that.
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LINDA:
You all may have
the first consistent data
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here at the Skinwalker Ranch.
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We're dealing with something
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that doesn't want us
to understand.
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ERIK:
The cow is right here.
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I can't help
but also notice that
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there's something
happening here.
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BRANDON:
The cow reacted
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the moment that
that object appeared.
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NARRATOR:
There is a ranch
in Northern Utah.
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It is considered the epicenter
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of the strangest and most
disturbing phenomena on Earth:
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animal mutilations,
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bizarre UFO sightings
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and unusual energies that have
proven harmful to humans.
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For 20 years,
the federal government
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tried to find answers
and failed.
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Now a new team
of dedicated scientists,
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researchers and experts
has taken over.
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They are determined to solve
the mystery and reveal...
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...The Secret
of Skinwalker Ranch.
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ERIK:
So here, you can see
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she starts to get up.
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The cow is trying
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‐The object is here.
‐LINDA: Wow.
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‐The cow reacted.
‐TRAVIS: Right.
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The moment that
that object appeared
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above the cow,
the cow was reacting.
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Yes.
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TRAVIS: Yesterday,
on the ranch, we found
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that a two‐year‐old cow
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that had gotten
completely separated
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from the rest of the herd
just suddenly died.
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And for no apparent reason.
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Jim, are you seeing anything
on the spectrum analyzer?
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So, I'm getting
some pretty high spikes.
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TRAVIS:
Oh, wow!
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Later, we had
a veterinarian come out
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and perform an autopsy to
determine the cause of death.
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But his findings only served
to confirm our suspicions
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that something
really out of the ordinary
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must have happened to it.
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SEGALA:
I just want to verify something,
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that the animal
was going about her business,
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doing her thing,
got stressed by something
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that lowered her immune system,
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which allowed pneumonia
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Exactly, yeah.
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All the signs I've seen
point toward
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stress‐induced pneumonia.
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TRAVIS: Luckily, one of Erik
Bard's surveillance cameras
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actually captured the moment
that the cow died.
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It also captured
something else.
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Something that appears
to be a UFO
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in the sky directly overhead.
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Go back and show them
where you first see it, Erik.
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Okay, so this
is our first shot of it.
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And I'm going to go
single‐stepping
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one frame at a time.
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LINDA:
And it actually popped.
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So, is that 1/30th
of a second video?
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‐It's 1/15th.
‐This is, this is 1/15.
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TRAVIS:
And so, clearly,
it's behind the trees.
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And... you know,
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the distance from the camera
to the trees is how far?
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It's about 75 feet
between the‐the tree
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that you see on the far right
and the next tree.
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So, if it's
directly over the tree line,
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it moved 75 feet
in a 15th of a second.
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So, you multiply that,
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that means it moved about
a thousand feet in a second.
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That's... That's as fast
as a high‐powered rifle bullet.
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I was sitting here
this whole time
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just thinking it was a bird,
but you watch that real‐time,
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‐I mean, that's fast.
‐Yeah, there's no bird
moving that fast.
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Not at a thousand feet
per second.
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I have no idea what that is.
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And you're saying
a thousand feet per second,
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‐assuming it's
right above the trees.
‐It's right over the trees.
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‐Right.
‐If it's just beyond the tree,
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‐it could be moving even faster.
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There's an interesting thing
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when we were looking
at it earlier. Erik,
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if you could pull the one where
it's directly over the cow.
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‐And zoom in on the thing.
‐Sure.
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‐You want to go in tighter?
‐TRAVIS: Yup.
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Uh, if you look around
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the spot, there's an area
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that looks
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‐LINDA: Halo‐ish.
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And I noticed it
when I did an analysis
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of the Tic Tac video
that the Navy has.
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Recently, it's come to light
that there's been this program
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that the Pentagon
has been funding called
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the Advanced Aerospace Threat
Identification Program,
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A‐A‐T‐I‐P or AATIP.
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And this program
was actually put in place
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to look at unknown
aerial phenomena: UFOs.
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And there's a Gimbal video
that was released,
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uh, and a Tic Tac video.
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And all these videos show
a vehicle that's flying
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with some type of propulsion
that we don't know of.
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We can't understand what it is
by looking at the video.
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When we looked at it on a FLIR,
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that told us that it was cold
and the craft was warm.
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And then you got ambient air
around it.
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During my first meeting
with the Skinwalker team,
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Brandon showed me a photo
of a UFO
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that was taken above the ranch.
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One of the first things
that we captured
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on the property
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was an interesting object
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just over the mesa.
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TRAVIS:
And it looked to have
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that same kind of halo
around it,
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something
that I believe is caused
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by a temperature differential.
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And that's something I've seen
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in a number of other UFO videos.
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It could be a highly,
highly classified thing.
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But here's the thing.
If there's a project
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that's that classified,
that level of technology
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so far advanced
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from the rest of the technology
we have on the planet,
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that‐that's h...
that's real hard to swallow.
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Two things we don't know.
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Are we dealing with a craft
that is moving point to point
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and has influence
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on the brain of that cow?
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And the fact
that the herd is not around.
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I don't know
that I have seen them pushed up
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to that side of the ranch
since we brought them on,
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so that behavior by itself
was unusual.
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LINDA:
I saw the cow,
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and it's not a mutilation.
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But somehow that animal
was sick enough
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or affected enough
or manipulated enough,
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it was left behind all the herd.
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And it is that that has been
reported over and over
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in animal mutilation cases.
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Is it related in some way?
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I think we're seeing a reaction
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to something in its environment
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‐at the very end.
‐Right.
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And it's enough of a reaction
that it's making
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‐a deathly ill cow want to move.
‐Want to get out of there.
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BRANDON: We very well
could have prevented
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a full‐blown cattle mutilation
from occurring.
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‐That's a possibility.
‐That's a possibility.
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It's oddly serendipitous.
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You know,
it's one of those things.
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We continue to hit home
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that correlation
isn't causation,
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but we have two
really interesting phenomena
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occurring
at exactly the same time
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very near
the same spatial location.
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It really makes you want
to look deeper to see
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can we prove the cow moved
because of that thing?
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Man, you just got to wonder.
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If this object appeared
at just the same time
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this cow is dying
its last breath
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and then just after the fact,
we're measuring
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all these weird
electromagnetic signals,
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is that a coincidence?
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BRANDON:
We're out in the middle
of nowhere.
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So, which begs the question.
Linda,
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have you seen with other cases
you have investigated
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these type of phenomena attend
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cattle mutilations
and other events?
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LINDA:
The sudden separation
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of a herd
that goes completely as far
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as they can go in a pasture,
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leaving the animal
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That's happened
many, many times.
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What about the electromagnetic
type of anomalies?
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LINDA:
I feel strongly
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where there are mutilations,
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where there are UFOs,
you're going to find
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that there are
magnetic anomalies.
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They go together.
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And that includes
the running down of batteries.
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Wow.
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TRAVIS:
That's...
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We get that all the time.
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It's really weird that when
strange things seem to happen,
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we seem to find something
in the sky at the same time.
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LINDA:
I think we are dealing
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with point to point.
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I think
we're dealing with portals.
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I think we are dealing
with advanced technology.
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See, you've got the combination
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of just about every
high strangeness going on here
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at Skinwalker Ranch.
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But after being here for a day,
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I think the chapter
has just simply turned.
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And what I think gives me
a new confidence
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that maybe we're going to get
some more data
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is because of the work
you're doing.
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So, hooray, you guys.
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Keep doing this,
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because this is maybe
the only way we're really going
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to learn some of the truth
that has been hidden.
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BRANDON:
Absolutely.
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I think we're just starting
to pull back the curtain
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with our investigation here
at Skinwalker Ranch.
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And, uh, we'll look forward
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to further updates
in the future.
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‐Thank you.
‐(overlapping chatter)
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(wind whistling)
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JIM:
It's good to see everybody.
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‐It's good
to have you back, Travis.
‐Yeah, man.
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I missed you guys.
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After being out there with y'all
for so long,
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it was strange going home.
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And I kept looking
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over my shoulder for crazy stuff
to happen, but...
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‐(laughter)
‐Brandon
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has instructed
Tom, Erik and the team
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to continue their surveillance
of all the activities
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on the ranch.
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But after the death of the cow,
we decided
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to put a pause
on experimentation out there,
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at least until
we've had a chance to analyze
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all the data that we collected
over the summer.
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Hey, gentlemen.
I'd like you to meet
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attorney general
for the state of Utah,
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‐Sean Reyes.
‐TRAVIS: Wow!
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‐Dragon, how's it going?
‐Hey.
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‐Good to see you again.
‐Good to see you, too.
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‐Sir.
‐Travis Taylor.
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Mr. Taylor.
Pleased to meet you.
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Attorney General Reyes
has been briefed
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over the course
of the last several years.
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He's been very well aware
and kept up on the events
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that have occurred
on property with you.
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And I thought
it was important today,
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at his request,
for him to be briefed
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on some of the more disturbing
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and interesting incidents
that we've
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most recently had out on the...
on the property.
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‐Great.
‐JIM: Yeah, thank you so much.
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‐Appreciate your time.
Thanks very much.
‐Glad you're here.
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TRAVIS:
The fact that our activities
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at Skinwalker Ranch
have merited the attention
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of the state's attorney generl
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shows me how seriously
the state of Utah is taking
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everything that we're doing
out there.
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I mean, let's face it,
if just some of our suspicions
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turn out to be correct,
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the national security
implications could be huge.
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Thanks very much.
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Brandon's been keeping me
updated.
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Because you all shepherd
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the public now
in a much more visible way
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into the exploration
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of what Skinwalker Ranch
represents.
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‐Yeah.
‐And, um,
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on behalf of the citizens
of the state of Utah,
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I think it'd be important
that this isn't viewed
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as just, you know,
this mysterious project
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that these outsiders
are conducting.
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These are important issues
for our state.
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I'm happy to be a part of it.
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I'm honored that you all
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would brief me
and let me participate.
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So thank you all,
each and every one of you.
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‐Appreciate it.
‐Thank you.
‐Thank you.
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You know, as we come back
together after a month,
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I thought it was important
to evaluate the events
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that happened on that ranch.
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‐Yeah.
‐Because now you have hard data
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‐Right.
‐that helps us
hopefully understand
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what is at play
at Skinwalker Ranch.
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‐Right.
‐ERIK: There's so many
points here,
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very good important points,
for us to discuss,
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and, really,
sifting information,
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trying to understand,
you know, what is significant
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and what may just be
coincidental.
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And also,
if there are connections,
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what are they?
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Well, what have you taken
from the events
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that have occurred
over the last few months?
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Let's take this recent
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disturbing incident
with the cow.
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The cow died, and we have,
at the time of it dying,
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measured strange
microwave activity.
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‐He was getting gammas.
‐Yeah, and microwaves.
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TRAVIS:
Hey, y'all?
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I'd recommend not to touch it
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till we see
if it's radioactive or not.
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THOMAS:
No sign of trauma.
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TRAVIS:
What in the world?
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There's no cat tracks,
there's no sign of struggle.
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‐Middle of the day.
‐It's just dead.
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Jim, are you seeing anything
on the spectrum analyzer?
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I'm getting
some pretty high spikes.
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TRAVIS:
Oh, wow!
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Look at...
the meter's going crazy.
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My phone starts freaking out
whenever your TriField goes off.
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I don't have any control
over my phone right now.
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TRAVIS:
Dude, look at that.
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SEGALA:
We had an actual autopsy done
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by a veterinarian,
a local veterinarian, and...
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what they found out
is that it died of pneumonia
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brought on by stress.
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BRANDON:
What we did record is,
we did record
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some anomalous object
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in the sky above the cow
before it died
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that it was reacting to.
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So you have a biosensor,
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in essence, that reacted
immediately to the event.
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‐Absolutely.
‐Something scared it to death.
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‐TRAVIS: That's
a really good way to put it.
‐Yep.
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‐Something scared it to death.
‐THOMAS: It gets even stranger,
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because after this cow died,
we do what most ranchers do,
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and you drag it off to a corner,
and you let the body decompose.
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‐And let the‐the scavengers...
‐And‐and yeah,
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and the typical thing is,
the coyotes
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and the scavengers come in,
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and they pick it clean.
I was just up there a week ago,
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on a patrol, and I went
over there where that cow's at,
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and it has not been touched.
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To this day, not a single
scavenger has touched that cow.
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SEAN:
Highly irregular.
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TRAVIS:
One of my graduate students
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grew up working
on a cattle farm in Alabama,
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and he told me that if lightning
ever struck one of the cows,
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that the predators
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would not eat it.
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Maybe something happened
to this cow.
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We know it wasn't struck
by lightning,
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'cause there was no storms
at the time.
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But we did measure
really high microwaves.
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And maybe whatever
these signals are
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is affecting this cow in such
a way that it tainted it.
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And it's still sitting there.
347
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No... nothing has touched it.
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So there's something to that.
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And there was another day where
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we were launching rockets,
for example, when...
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suddenly we see
so many phenomena
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across so many different regimes
of measurement.
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While we were launching
these rockets,
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the entire herd of about 40 cows
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come over
to the area where we are.
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You might think
that they would be, um...
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‐Skittish.
‐...frightened of our activity.
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You'd think
they'd go away from us.
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Instead, during that activity,
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we watched the cattle come
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‐to the east field.
‐Actually,
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‐they didn't come, they ran.
‐Well, that was
exactly the point.
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‐They ran.
‐And...
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some of them behaved
as if they were in a panic.
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It was nearly
stampeding behavior.
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Yeah, yeah.
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SEGALA:
Look at the cows.
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That is the strangest thing.
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‐(cows bellowing)
‐BRYANT: Never seen that before.
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SEGALA:
They all grouped together
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so tight,
they started fighting.
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THOMAS: They started to fight
among each other,
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head‐butting each other,
they were mooing, they were...
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BRYANT: I thought they were
gonna take down the east fence.
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Something that gave them
more concern
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than the sound of the rockets.
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TRAVIS:
Well, and it's at the same time
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that the unidentified
aerial phenomena
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‐start appearing in the sky.
‐Really?
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TRAVIS:
Ignition!
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Look, look, look, look!
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‐What is that?
‐We got something. Hold on.
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THOMAS: Oh, wait, wait,
it's a plane, I think.
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TRAVIS:
No, that wasn't a plane.
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00:16:26,402 --> 00:16:28,321
‐Oh, there it is again!
‐There it is again!
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THOMAS:
It's gone.
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SEAN:
It's one thing to have
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a light in the night
or some random sighting,
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but when livestock start
to literally fall over...
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00:16:41,042 --> 00:16:43,502
It's not unheard of to have them
die from time to time,
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but not under these kinds
of circumstances,
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not with this many questions.
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Or, our bigger concern,
uh, beyond livestock,
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when this starts to potentially
impact human beings.
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BRANDON:
Yes.
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00:16:56,849 --> 00:16:58,309
You found out firsthand,
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00:16:58,309 --> 00:17:02,647
surprisingly,
how dangerous this ranch can be.
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00:17:02,647 --> 00:17:05,191
TRAVIS: Absolutely.
While we were out there,
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we were in a...
in a cave, and, uh,
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00:17:08,903 --> 00:17:13,241
I was exposed to something that
made me, uh, nearly pass out.
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TRAVIS:
Let me ask a question, guys.
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00:17:16,285 --> 00:17:19,538
‐Do any of y'all feel
a little swimmy‐headed at all?
‐ERIK: You feeling it?
403
00:17:19,538 --> 00:17:20,623
TRAVIS: I don't know.
Slightly, I felt
404
00:17:20,623 --> 00:17:22,708
like I was not holding
my balance well
405
00:17:22,708 --> 00:17:25,711
for a second there‐‐ that's why
I put my hand over on the rock.
406
00:17:25,711 --> 00:17:27,380
And I'm feeling it now, too.
407
00:17:27,380 --> 00:17:29,882
TRAVIS:
And then, a few days later,
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00:17:29,882 --> 00:17:33,803
I was exposed to a fairly high
dose of gamma ray radiation.
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00:17:33,803 --> 00:17:37,181
Heck, it could be a tunnel
entrance for all we know.
410
00:17:37,181 --> 00:17:38,766
I'd like to know
what's in this thing.
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00:17:38,766 --> 00:17:40,476
Don't lift it up.
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00:17:40,476 --> 00:17:42,520
TRAVIS:
I feel like, uh,
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00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,064
I got a little bit of a headache
or something happening.
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00:17:45,064 --> 00:17:47,066
‐Holy... Mine's beeping.
‐SEGALA: Your total dose
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‐is way up there.
‐Oh, my God.
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00:17:48,234 --> 00:17:50,444
We were just exposed
to ionizing radiation.
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00:17:50,444 --> 00:17:52,780
So, did you end up
going to the hospital
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‐as a result of these injuries?
‐TRAVIS: Yes.
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00:17:54,782 --> 00:17:57,201
I had surgery
as a result of those injuries.
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TRAVIS: Maybe a week,
maybe two weeks at most,
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00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:10,381
after I got exposed
to the radiation,
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00:18:10,381 --> 00:18:12,925
I started getting a knot
forming here, a bump,
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coming out of my knuckle there.
424
00:18:14,594 --> 00:18:16,304
And then another bump
started forming.
425
00:18:16,304 --> 00:18:17,888
And on into the summer,
426
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it kept getting bigger
and bigger and started hurting.
427
00:18:20,391 --> 00:18:22,643
That's... that's nasty, man.
428
00:18:22,643 --> 00:18:24,645
So then I went
and had it X‐rayed,
429
00:18:24,645 --> 00:18:26,981
and my doctor looked at it,
and he says, "Well, uh,
430
00:18:26,981 --> 00:18:28,774
you've got two bone spurs
in there."
431
00:18:28,774 --> 00:18:30,776
They said, "Well, you're
gonna have to have it removed,
432
00:18:30,776 --> 00:18:33,070
'cause it's just gonna keep
getting bigger and worse."
433
00:18:33,070 --> 00:18:35,281
And so they went in,
and they took out a cyst
434
00:18:35,281 --> 00:18:36,907
that was almost as big
as an M&M.
435
00:18:36,907 --> 00:18:38,451
There was, like,
18 stitches in there.
436
00:18:38,451 --> 00:18:40,119
JIM:
Mm, that's unreal.
437
00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,706
And, uh, and it still feels
like it's a broken finger.
438
00:18:43,706 --> 00:18:45,958
It's still a little bit painful,
but it's,
439
00:18:45,958 --> 00:18:47,585
you know, it's healing fine.
440
00:18:47,585 --> 00:18:48,753
Wow.
441
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TRAVIS:
I believe that whatever
442
00:18:50,796 --> 00:18:52,340
this phenomena is
that we've measured,
443
00:18:52,340 --> 00:18:53,966
every time we've measured it,
444
00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:56,469
we do get high energy levels
and microwaves,
445
00:18:56,469 --> 00:18:58,429
and we've measured gamma rays.
446
00:18:58,429 --> 00:19:00,598
And so it's possible
that whatever this is
447
00:19:00,598 --> 00:19:04,393
that's occurring
is what's causing the injuries.
448
00:19:04,393 --> 00:19:07,063
But you're not the only one,
right?
449
00:19:07,063 --> 00:19:09,815
‐Mr. Winterton had...
‐Thomas had...
serious ones, yeah.
450
00:19:09,815 --> 00:19:11,484
I know, at least for my injury,
451
00:19:11,484 --> 00:19:13,569
and‐and if I'm under
the correct understanding
452
00:19:13,569 --> 00:19:16,947
of some of the other injuries,
they couldn't explain it away.
453
00:19:16,947 --> 00:19:18,407
‐That's what...
‐That particular one,
they couldn't.
454
00:19:18,407 --> 00:19:20,701
They never came to conclusion
of what caused it,
455
00:19:20,701 --> 00:19:23,079
and they couldn't find
what it was.
456
00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:25,039
‐TRAVIS: Right.
‐Yep.
‐BRYANT: Well,
457
00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:26,457
to your point, Thomas, too,
458
00:19:26,457 --> 00:19:28,084
when you talk
about ranching injuries,
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00:19:28,084 --> 00:19:30,920
we're not talking about
broken bones and smashed hands.
460
00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,506
We're talking
about radiation exposure.
461
00:19:35,091 --> 00:19:39,053
The injuries that Tom Winterton
experienced back two years ago
462
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were of the nature that he had
a neurological episode,
463
00:19:42,598 --> 00:19:45,935
and he had a big swelling
in the back of his head.
464
00:19:45,935 --> 00:19:49,397
And his injuries was consistent
with a radiation beam
465
00:19:49,397 --> 00:19:51,899
that entered his body
from a specific angle,
466
00:19:51,899 --> 00:19:53,651
back behind his head.
467
00:19:53,651 --> 00:19:55,653
So Thomas's injury
468
00:19:55,653 --> 00:19:58,906
really reinforces that this
ranch could be very dangerous.
469
00:19:58,906 --> 00:20:02,451
Somehow, all of this is coupled;
we just don't know how.
470
00:20:03,953 --> 00:20:05,204
Yeah.
471
00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:06,956
ERIK: Obviously,
we're experiencing things
472
00:20:06,956 --> 00:20:09,083
of a subjective nature.
473
00:20:09,083 --> 00:20:11,627
Something in our physiology
is responding
474
00:20:11,627 --> 00:20:12,962
to something on the property,
475
00:20:12,962 --> 00:20:14,755
‐Yeah.
‐but we also see...
476
00:20:14,755 --> 00:20:17,800
devices of many different kinds
malfunctioning on the ranch.
477
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,677
We're talking about the,
478
00:20:19,677 --> 00:20:22,513
uh, disruption of a handheld
or a mobile device.
479
00:20:22,513 --> 00:20:25,433
‐Like the phones, right?
‐Right.
480
00:20:25,433 --> 00:20:27,768
My phone's freaking out.
481
00:20:27,768 --> 00:20:29,270
It's just been doing this
for the last,
482
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:30,646
you know, couple minutes.
483
00:20:30,646 --> 00:20:32,481
I just ran up here
so you could see it.
484
00:20:32,481 --> 00:20:35,234
It was in my contacts, it tried
calling a couple people,
485
00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:37,695
and then it's been
messing around in my camera.
486
00:20:37,695 --> 00:20:40,656
Dude, that is crazy.
487
00:20:40,656 --> 00:20:44,118
ERIK:
We are continuously dealing
488
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with some kind of interference
that takes our systems down.
489
00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:50,875
And it's not one type of device;
it's many kinds of devices.
490
00:20:50,875 --> 00:20:52,543
‐Right.
‐Uh, you know,
491
00:20:52,543 --> 00:20:55,045
very often batteries are...
are discharged,
492
00:20:55,045 --> 00:20:57,006
‐Yeah.
‐or things don't work correctly.
493
00:20:57,006 --> 00:20:58,507
Yeah.
494
00:20:58,507 --> 00:21:01,427
PHIL:
Oh, my gosh.
495
00:21:01,427 --> 00:21:03,596
I completely charged
these four batteries
496
00:21:03,596 --> 00:21:06,223
last evening, and now
they're into the yellow section.
497
00:21:06,223 --> 00:21:08,684
ERIK:
When have you seen that before?
498
00:21:08,684 --> 00:21:10,853
I quite frankly
have not seen that before.
499
00:21:13,856 --> 00:21:15,858
TRAVIS:
You name it,
500
00:21:15,858 --> 00:21:19,069
if it had electronics in it,
somehow or other,
501
00:21:19,069 --> 00:21:21,155
it malfunctioned while
we were out there this summer.
502
00:21:21,155 --> 00:21:25,743
It either turned itself off, uh,
it w‐‐ just wouldn't function.
503
00:21:25,743 --> 00:21:29,622
Its electronic control software
didn't work.
504
00:21:29,622 --> 00:21:32,333
We had drones that worked fine
one second,
505
00:21:32,333 --> 00:21:36,045
then move it ten feet over
and it wouldn't work at all.
506
00:21:36,045 --> 00:21:38,923
DERRICK:
All right, let's do this.
507
00:21:38,923 --> 00:21:40,299
No connection.
508
00:21:40,299 --> 00:21:42,593
TRAVIS:
Huh, that's weird.
509
00:21:42,593 --> 00:21:44,136
DERRICK:
Yeah, I'm not connecting
to the remote.
510
00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:46,597
I don't know
what's happening with it.
511
00:21:46,597 --> 00:21:48,140
T‐That makes no sense.
512
00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:50,142
I don't think
this is a coincidence.
513
00:21:50,142 --> 00:21:52,645
I think what happened is that
because we were all there,
514
00:21:52,645 --> 00:21:55,022
we were concentrated,
we were doing experiments
515
00:21:55,022 --> 00:21:56,732
on a daily basis...
516
00:21:56,732 --> 00:21:57,900
Look, it is going nuts.
517
00:21:57,900 --> 00:21:59,819
It's coming from up there.
518
00:21:59,819 --> 00:22:02,696
And we were doing lots
of experiments that no one
519
00:22:02,696 --> 00:22:04,114
has ever really done
on the ranch.
520
00:22:04,114 --> 00:22:06,367
Oh, you see that?
Look, look, look.
521
00:22:06,367 --> 00:22:08,536
SEGALA:
That caused the entity,
the phenomena,
522
00:22:08,536 --> 00:22:11,413
whatever you want to call it,
to actually show itself
523
00:22:11,413 --> 00:22:12,623
on a more frequent basis.
524
00:22:12,623 --> 00:22:14,041
THOMAS:
That's a definite beam.
525
00:22:14,041 --> 00:22:16,836
It is clearly a beam
going across there.
526
00:22:16,836 --> 00:22:18,546
What we're seeing
might not just be
527
00:22:18,546 --> 00:22:20,881
the reactions of the phenomena.
528
00:22:20,881 --> 00:22:23,300
The phenomena might actually be
trying to tell us something
529
00:22:23,300 --> 00:22:26,303
or show us something
or lead us to something.
530
00:22:26,303 --> 00:22:30,015
As you've seen
unidentified aerial phenomena
531
00:22:30,015 --> 00:22:34,436
appear simultaneous
with other events,
532
00:22:34,436 --> 00:22:37,064
does that constitute contact?
533
00:22:37,064 --> 00:22:43,028
So, we didn't, as far as I can
tell, try and talk back to them,
534
00:22:43,028 --> 00:22:44,530
but we don't know
that we didn't.
535
00:22:45,906 --> 00:22:47,408
We were launching rockets,
for example,
536
00:22:47,408 --> 00:22:50,786
when, uh, a lot of them
appeared over us.
537
00:22:50,786 --> 00:22:52,913
‐Right.
‐Yeah.
538
00:22:52,913 --> 00:22:54,999
TRAVIS: After having a month
to reflect on, uh,
539
00:22:54,999 --> 00:22:56,542
all the things we did,
540
00:22:56,542 --> 00:22:58,961
the one thing that I just
can't seem to, uh,
541
00:22:58,961 --> 00:23:00,588
quit thinking about, really,
542
00:23:00,588 --> 00:23:02,798
is while we were launching
those rockets,
543
00:23:02,798 --> 00:23:04,383
we had all these experiences,
544
00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:06,468
saw all these UFOs
appearing in the sky.
545
00:23:06,468 --> 00:23:08,304
‐THOMAS: Look, look, look!
‐ERIK: What is that?
546
00:23:08,304 --> 00:23:09,930
TRAVIS: And we measured it
with all these instruments.
547
00:23:09,930 --> 00:23:12,641
I wonder, were we communicating
with whatever
548
00:23:12,641 --> 00:23:14,894
this phenomenon is by launching
these rockets and it said,
549
00:23:14,894 --> 00:23:17,271
"Hey, we're here,"
and they said, "Hey," back?
550
00:23:17,271 --> 00:23:18,731
‐Oh, there it is again!
‐There it is again!
551
00:23:18,731 --> 00:23:20,816
‐It's still in the same spot.
‐BRYANT: Right there.
552
00:23:20,816 --> 00:23:23,903
There's some communication
possibly taking place
553
00:23:23,903 --> 00:23:28,699
in response to the experiments
that you launched.
554
00:23:28,699 --> 00:23:30,743
‐Right.
‐ERIK: And also,
555
00:23:30,743 --> 00:23:33,579
if there are connections,
what are they?
556
00:23:33,579 --> 00:23:36,832
Are we intelligent enough, are
we intuitive enough, perhaps,
557
00:23:36,832 --> 00:23:40,794
to‐to understand if, in fact,
we're being communicated with?
558
00:23:40,794 --> 00:23:43,172
‐Yep.
‐Do any of the things
that we've observed
559
00:23:43,172 --> 00:23:46,842
constitute communication?
560
00:23:46,842 --> 00:23:49,553
Well, there's absolutely
no disputing the fact
561
00:23:49,553 --> 00:23:55,100
that we launched rockets,
phenomena occurred.
562
00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:58,479
I mean, within seconds
and minutes of each other.
563
00:23:58,479 --> 00:24:02,274
It would be interesting to say
it's just serendipitous,
564
00:24:02,274 --> 00:24:04,735
but never before on the ranch
565
00:24:04,735 --> 00:24:07,655
have you guys reported a‐‐
this much activity at one time.
566
00:24:07,655 --> 00:24:09,073
JIM:
Not to this level.
567
00:24:09,073 --> 00:24:11,909
‐It's unexplainable.
‐Yep.
568
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:15,371
SEGALA:
We've never had
physical evidence
569
00:24:15,371 --> 00:24:17,414
that we actually saw
with our own eyes.
570
00:24:17,414 --> 00:24:21,043
We've never had recorded,
electronically recorded data
571
00:24:21,043 --> 00:24:24,004
that we took with instruments.
I mean, this is amazing.
572
00:24:24,004 --> 00:24:25,881
‐Yeah.
‐SEAN: And for those of us
who look at
573
00:24:25,881 --> 00:24:28,342
‐a lot of evidence, that's the
most credible type of evidence.
‐Yep.
574
00:24:28,342 --> 00:24:31,345
The stuff that's happening right
in front of your eyes, right?
575
00:24:31,345 --> 00:24:35,975
No‐no chance for someone's
memory to‐to fade or to distort,
576
00:24:35,975 --> 00:24:37,351
um, so that's im‐‐
that's impressive.
577
00:24:37,351 --> 00:24:39,228
TRAVIS:
So‐so, what it tells us is,
578
00:24:39,228 --> 00:24:41,730
by‐‐ without‐‐
beyond a shadow of a doubt,
579
00:24:41,730 --> 00:24:43,315
there is some phenomena
occurring
580
00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:44,984
and we have measured
the phenomena.
581
00:24:46,235 --> 00:24:48,195
The phenomena is real.
582
00:24:48,195 --> 00:24:50,864
Now the question is:
what is this phenomena?
583
00:24:50,864 --> 00:24:52,783
‐Fascinating.
‐SEGALA: So,
584
00:24:52,783 --> 00:24:55,202
technologically now, we've
advanced this whole thing,
585
00:24:55,202 --> 00:24:56,745
very, very high‐‐
to a high level.
586
00:24:56,745 --> 00:24:59,206
Which means that we can
take the next level.
587
00:24:59,206 --> 00:25:00,958
‐Right.
‐Why can't we communicate
with them?
588
00:25:00,958 --> 00:25:03,210
So, now that brings up
all these moral issues,
589
00:25:03,210 --> 00:25:04,753
that falls on your shoulders.
590
00:25:04,753 --> 00:25:05,879
TRAVIS:
Whatever these are,
591
00:25:05,879 --> 00:25:07,756
are saying, "Hey."
592
00:25:07,756 --> 00:25:10,009
Do we have permission
to say hi back?
593
00:25:10,009 --> 00:25:12,094
‐Yeah.
‐SEAN: There are
government agencies
594
00:25:12,094 --> 00:25:14,138
and divisions for interactions.
595
00:25:14,138 --> 00:25:15,931
Uh, we had them
when we flew to the Moon.
596
00:25:15,931 --> 00:25:18,350
We had to prepare just in case,
597
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:20,352
even in
a one in a million chance
598
00:25:20,352 --> 00:25:22,521
that we made first contact.
599
00:25:22,521 --> 00:25:25,983
How do we interact?
Who's gonna interact?
600
00:25:25,983 --> 00:25:27,609
What‐What's the message?
601
00:25:27,609 --> 00:25:30,237
‐Yeah, what are the protocols?
‐Yeah, that's right.
602
00:25:30,237 --> 00:25:32,197
‐That's it. Exactly.
‐Right.
603
00:25:32,197 --> 00:25:34,074
Maybe that's what we do,
is just follow, uh,
604
00:25:34,074 --> 00:25:36,869
what's in that
particular guidance.
605
00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:38,162
Yeah.
606
00:25:38,162 --> 00:25:40,330
‐Right.
‐ERIK: You know,
as I've been listening,
607
00:25:40,330 --> 00:25:43,709
you know, my head is swimming
with‐with ideas
608
00:25:43,709 --> 00:25:45,669
about what it all means.
609
00:25:47,337 --> 00:25:49,757
Do you have something
you'd like to share
610
00:25:49,757 --> 00:25:51,675
and illustrate for us?
611
00:25:51,675 --> 00:25:53,427
I do have something,
if we're ready for that.
612
00:26:05,647 --> 00:26:08,150
ERIK:
Recently, I've been preparing,
613
00:26:08,150 --> 00:26:09,777
I guess, we'll call it a model
614
00:26:09,777 --> 00:26:12,446
prompted by, uh,
measurements of RF,
615
00:26:12,446 --> 00:26:14,782
in particular
microwave frequencies,
616
00:26:14,782 --> 00:26:17,159
we've observed this summer.
617
00:26:17,159 --> 00:26:19,495
For example,
if there were a source
618
00:26:19,495 --> 00:26:23,165
projecting energy downward,
towards the ground,
619
00:26:23,165 --> 00:26:26,001
then what we see in the model
represents how
620
00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:28,545
it would be reflected by the
terrain into the space above.
621
00:26:28,545 --> 00:26:30,923
TRAVIS:
One of our theories is
622
00:26:30,923 --> 00:26:34,802
that the Uinta Basin looks like
a very large, uh, radio antenna.
623
00:26:34,802 --> 00:26:36,845
It's a‐a dish,
'cause it's shaped
624
00:26:36,845 --> 00:26:38,806
‐parabolically.
‐Right.
625
00:26:38,806 --> 00:26:40,224
TRAVIS:
And so, if that's the case,
626
00:26:40,224 --> 00:26:42,518
whatever these weird signals
we're seeing,
627
00:26:42,518 --> 00:26:44,895
they're bouncing off of it
and being focused to somewhere,
628
00:26:44,895 --> 00:26:46,897
just like a dish
focuses the energy.
629
00:26:46,897 --> 00:26:48,690
ERIK:
So, Attorney General Reyes,
630
00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:51,110
what we're doing is we're‐we're
fleshing out a hypothesis.
631
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:52,111
Okay?
632
00:26:52,111 --> 00:26:53,445
We have some measurements.
633
00:26:53,445 --> 00:26:55,906
We have some data
that are very suggestive,
634
00:26:55,906 --> 00:26:58,784
that maybe what Travis
just described
635
00:26:58,784 --> 00:27:01,620
is relevant somehow
to what's going on.
636
00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:04,289
And so,
to visualize that problem,
637
00:27:04,289 --> 00:27:05,958
I decided to build this model.
638
00:27:05,958 --> 00:27:08,544
So, what I'd like to do
is to share
639
00:27:08,544 --> 00:27:11,296
some of the results
of the modeling.
640
00:27:11,296 --> 00:27:14,675
So, the data that we used
to build this model comes from
641
00:27:14,675 --> 00:27:17,803
the United States
Geologic Survey.
642
00:27:17,803 --> 00:27:22,224
This is terrain data that tells
us what the lay of the land is.
643
00:27:22,224 --> 00:27:23,475
And we plugged that
into the model
644
00:27:23,475 --> 00:27:25,686
and then turn it
into a reflector.
645
00:27:25,686 --> 00:27:29,565
So we should all recognize
this geography.
646
00:27:30,607 --> 00:27:32,401
‐BRANDON: Wow.
‐That's awesome.
647
00:27:32,401 --> 00:27:34,570
ERIK:
So we're going to focus on
648
00:27:34,570 --> 00:27:36,321
the things that may happen
that intersect
649
00:27:36,321 --> 00:27:38,407
with the ranch property.
650
00:27:38,407 --> 00:27:40,284
We are located
651
00:27:40,284 --> 00:27:42,661
where you see that graphic.
652
00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:44,121
TRAVIS:
Right‐‐ Almost dead center.
653
00:27:44,121 --> 00:27:45,372
ERIK:
Yes.
654
00:27:45,372 --> 00:27:48,709
So, what I did
was construct a...
655
00:27:48,709 --> 00:27:52,087
60,000‐square‐kilometer mirror.
656
00:27:52,087 --> 00:27:54,840
And then producing a line
657
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,218
of what you just described
as radiation coming down
658
00:27:58,218 --> 00:28:00,053
from above, okay?
659
00:28:00,053 --> 00:28:03,348
So, we're going to look
at how those rays,
660
00:28:03,348 --> 00:28:07,019
uh, interact with
and reflect from this surface,
661
00:28:07,019 --> 00:28:09,646
which is what
this next visual shows us.
662
00:28:09,646 --> 00:28:12,649
‐BRANDON: Wow.
‐JIM: Geez, Louise.
663
00:28:13,942 --> 00:28:15,569
ERIK:
This represents measurements
664
00:28:15,569 --> 00:28:18,947
of microwave frequencies
that we had in the summer.
665
00:28:18,947 --> 00:28:20,407
We are looking at
666
00:28:20,407 --> 00:28:23,118
parallel rays of energy
coming down from above.
667
00:28:23,118 --> 00:28:25,787
Primarily for long wavelengths,
668
00:28:25,787 --> 00:28:28,457
not necessarily visible light.
669
00:28:28,457 --> 00:28:31,084
‐BRYANT: Incredible.
It's really cool.
‐Yeah.
670
00:28:31,084 --> 00:28:33,754
If you'll look at the ones
right in the center,
671
00:28:33,754 --> 00:28:35,130
they're being focused.
672
00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:36,632
And the ones at the edge,
673
00:28:36,632 --> 00:28:39,426
you can see
there is a significant focus,
674
00:28:39,426 --> 00:28:42,262
where these things
are being brought to a point
675
00:28:42,262 --> 00:28:44,556
and there's mu‐‐
a big concentration of energy
676
00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:45,766
up here somewhere.
677
00:28:45,766 --> 00:28:48,894
If you think about it,
that is amazing.
678
00:28:48,894 --> 00:28:49,937
Erik, this is so cool.
679
00:28:49,937 --> 00:28:51,313
Impressive.
680
00:28:51,313 --> 00:28:52,981
TRAVIS:
Based on Erik's visualization,
681
00:28:52,981 --> 00:28:54,983
I believe that the Uinta Basin
682
00:28:54,983 --> 00:28:57,027
could be acting
almost like a satellite dish,
683
00:28:57,027 --> 00:28:58,320
one that both collects
684
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,823
and directs energy
from somewhere out in space.
685
00:29:01,823 --> 00:29:03,617
Big question.
686
00:29:03,617 --> 00:29:07,537
What could be causing
this energy?
687
00:29:07,537 --> 00:29:08,538
TRAVIS:
That's the big question.
688
00:29:08,538 --> 00:29:10,332
That is the question of the day.
689
00:29:10,332 --> 00:29:12,084
TRAVIS:
So, there's two possibilities.
690
00:29:12,084 --> 00:29:14,294
Right now, we're thinking,
"Okay, it's a‐‐
691
00:29:14,294 --> 00:29:16,254
it's a‐‐
it's a reflective dish."
692
00:29:16,254 --> 00:29:19,091
And so maybe the energy's
coming from space
693
00:29:19,091 --> 00:29:21,510
and it hits
and it's being focused up. Or...
694
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:23,261
the other possibility is
695
00:29:23,261 --> 00:29:26,306
this could be acting like a lens
and not just a dish.
696
00:29:26,306 --> 00:29:29,351
The source could be down here,
inside the Earth,
697
00:29:29,351 --> 00:29:32,020
and coming up through it
and focusing.
698
00:29:32,020 --> 00:29:33,480
But to what end, we don't know.
699
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,066
And‐and we've got to come up
with other measurements
700
00:29:36,066 --> 00:29:37,943
to figure out
where the energy's coming from.
701
00:29:37,943 --> 00:29:39,194
Hmm.
702
00:29:39,194 --> 00:29:41,238
BRYANT:
So, we've had the debate
of whether
703
00:29:41,238 --> 00:29:44,241
it's below the Earth
or coming from above. I mean,
704
00:29:44,241 --> 00:29:45,784
it could be
a combination of the two.
705
00:29:45,784 --> 00:29:47,953
Absolutely. I agree.
I agree 100%.
706
00:29:47,953 --> 00:29:49,579
There's a source
and a destination,
707
00:29:49,579 --> 00:29:51,081
‐whether, you know...
‐Yeah. Yeah, there's‐‐
708
00:29:51,081 --> 00:29:53,500
One of them's a‐‐ There's
a source and‐and to what end.
709
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:55,377
We got to find out
where they're coming from.
710
00:29:55,377 --> 00:29:56,628
Yeah.
711
00:29:56,628 --> 00:29:59,089
ERIK:
Now, this also reminds me
712
00:29:59,089 --> 00:30:00,424
of something that‐‐
713
00:30:00,424 --> 00:30:03,260
what I found kind of troubling
during the summer.
714
00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:06,096
You recall, you did an exercise
715
00:30:06,096 --> 00:30:09,766
where you seemingly located
a source,
716
00:30:09,766 --> 00:30:12,644
uh, a concentration of signals,
717
00:30:12,644 --> 00:30:14,312
uh, fairly low.
718
00:30:14,312 --> 00:30:16,940
At about 5,000 feet. And
I was just thinking about that.
719
00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:18,525
ERIK:
Right, and could you point
720
00:30:18,525 --> 00:30:20,944
in the‐‐ in the vicinity
of where you think that was?
721
00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:22,362
TRAVIS:
Yeah.
722
00:30:22,362 --> 00:30:24,364
So, right in here,
723
00:30:24,364 --> 00:30:26,825
you can see there is
some convergence right there.
724
00:30:26,825 --> 00:30:28,952
There was a local focus,
725
00:30:28,952 --> 00:30:31,538
and we launched a weather
balloon with radio frequency
726
00:30:31,538 --> 00:30:33,040
and microwave instruments on it.
727
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,875
And when it got
to about that height,
728
00:30:34,875 --> 00:30:36,668
the instruments started failing.
729
00:30:37,711 --> 00:30:38,879
You guys ready?
730
00:30:38,879 --> 00:30:39,921
‐Yep, we're good.
‐Yep. Good to go.
731
00:30:39,921 --> 00:30:40,964
TRAVIS:
All right, here we go.
732
00:30:40,964 --> 00:30:43,008
All right, slowly let it up.
733
00:30:43,008 --> 00:30:45,302
All right, keep going.
You're good.
734
00:30:45,302 --> 00:30:47,971
‐THOMAS: Okay, we're clear.
‐TRAVIS: All right.
735
00:30:47,971 --> 00:30:49,681
THOMAS:
Man, that's a big balloon.
736
00:30:49,681 --> 00:30:52,350
Yeah, ain't that cool?
737
00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:53,685
THOMAS:
Man, that's a long ways up.
738
00:30:53,685 --> 00:30:55,687
TRAVIS:
Heck yeah.
739
00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:57,731
It failed right there,
740
00:30:57,731 --> 00:31:00,067
which suggests
maybe the power was so high
741
00:31:00,067 --> 00:31:02,402
that it burned out
the instruments.
742
00:31:02,402 --> 00:31:03,987
Wow.
743
00:31:03,987 --> 00:31:06,239
BRYANT:
And whether it's just bad luck
or not,
744
00:31:06,239 --> 00:31:07,824
we never recovered the balloon,
even.
745
00:31:07,824 --> 00:31:09,534
‐SEAN: Interesting.
‐BRANDON: You never recovered
746
00:31:09,534 --> 00:31:10,619
‐the balloon?
‐BRYANT: No. No.
747
00:31:10,619 --> 00:31:11,953
TRAVIS:
And we had GPS trackers on it.
748
00:31:11,953 --> 00:31:14,289
So, you lost it.
When it hit that point,
749
00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:16,875
all of the instruments failed?
750
00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:18,251
All the other instruments
failed.
751
00:31:18,251 --> 00:31:19,586
What?
752
00:31:21,755 --> 00:31:22,964
Wow.
753
00:31:24,925 --> 00:31:27,219
TRAVIS:
You know, it's really intriguing
754
00:31:27,219 --> 00:31:30,430
and, um, actually
kind of startling a little bit
755
00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:32,641
is I've been contacted by, uh,
756
00:31:32,641 --> 00:31:34,267
some folks
in the intelligence community
757
00:31:34,267 --> 00:31:38,188
that are really interested
in what we've found.
758
00:31:38,188 --> 00:31:40,357
BRYANT:
So,
759
00:31:40,357 --> 00:31:41,608
is it they approached you?
760
00:31:41,608 --> 00:31:42,651
How have they heard about...
761
00:31:42,651 --> 00:31:44,444
They approached us.
762
00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:46,822
Wow. So we're being monitored?
763
00:31:46,822 --> 00:31:48,240
Yep.
764
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,668
So we're being monitored?
765
00:31:59,668 --> 00:32:01,711
There are people interested
in what we are doing.
766
00:32:01,711 --> 00:32:03,380
I find that really intriguing.
767
00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:06,591
They're gonna tell us something,
I don't know what.
768
00:32:06,591 --> 00:32:09,344
But my suspicion is they've
measured a similar phenomenon,
769
00:32:09,344 --> 00:32:11,471
don't know what it is,
and they want to compare notes.
770
00:32:11,471 --> 00:32:14,307
And I find that
really intriguing.
771
00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:16,852
It's very strange.
772
00:32:16,852 --> 00:32:18,353
Hmm.
773
00:32:18,353 --> 00:32:19,855
So what this tells us though is
774
00:32:19,855 --> 00:32:22,274
there are real government
organizations,
775
00:32:22,274 --> 00:32:25,110
who are interested
in this phenomena
776
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:27,863
and‐and are taking it seriously.
777
00:32:27,863 --> 00:32:29,030
BRANDON:
Wow.
778
00:32:29,030 --> 00:32:31,283
TRAVIS:
After being contacted
779
00:32:31,283 --> 00:32:32,951
by representatives
of the government,
780
00:32:32,951 --> 00:32:35,036
including some folks
in the intelligence community,
781
00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:37,414
it was clear to me
that someone had
782
00:32:37,414 --> 00:32:39,666
been following our progress
on the ranch.
783
00:32:39,666 --> 00:32:42,169
THOMAS:
Look at that‐‐ what is that?
784
00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:44,379
‐There's a helicopter
right up there.
‐Yeah, sure is.
785
00:32:44,379 --> 00:32:45,964
THOMAS:
You can hear it.
786
00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:47,966
TRAVIS:
That dude's hovering
right there.
787
00:32:47,966 --> 00:32:50,093
I think somebody's
watching us right now.
788
00:32:50,093 --> 00:32:51,761
That's exactly
what it looks like.
789
00:32:51,761 --> 00:32:53,722
TRAVIS:
I think they're‐they're
watching us, guys.
790
00:32:53,722 --> 00:32:55,348
ERIK:
So, guys, I'm gonna
try to go in,
791
00:32:55,348 --> 00:32:56,766
and look
at the transponder data.
792
00:32:56,766 --> 00:32:58,185
See if I can figure out
who it is.
793
00:32:58,185 --> 00:32:59,936
Yeah, that's a good idea, Erik.
794
00:33:02,022 --> 00:33:04,482
They should by law,
right, be transponding.
795
00:33:04,482 --> 00:33:06,151
What we got, Erik?
796
00:33:06,151 --> 00:33:07,777
They didn't show up at all.
797
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:11,114
BRYANT:
So do you have a fear
798
00:33:11,114 --> 00:33:13,491
that there's the possibility
of them shutting us down or...?
799
00:33:13,491 --> 00:33:15,785
‐TRAVIS: No, you know...
‐I don't think so, I think it's
800
00:33:15,785 --> 00:33:18,413
more they're gonna encourage us
to go in a direction.
801
00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:20,290
But do they want
802
00:33:20,290 --> 00:33:21,958
the world to know
what's happening?
803
00:33:21,958 --> 00:33:24,502
They won't tell anybody.
804
00:33:24,502 --> 00:33:26,379
They may not, but, I mean...
805
00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:27,589
I doubt they will
acknowledge that they
806
00:33:27,589 --> 00:33:28,924
ever had the meeting with us.
807
00:33:28,924 --> 00:33:30,050
Uh, but they will know
808
00:33:30,050 --> 00:33:32,135
what we know at that point.
809
00:33:32,135 --> 00:33:34,012
Yeah, the fact that
we're being monitored,
810
00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:37,933
that our efforts
have received a higher level
811
00:33:37,933 --> 00:33:40,852
of attention and awareness
within those channels,
812
00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:44,272
I think speaks to the reality
of this ranch.
813
00:33:44,272 --> 00:33:45,523
Absolutely, I agree.
814
00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:46,608
I agree 100%.
815
00:33:46,608 --> 00:33:48,401
BRANDON:
As we have obtained
816
00:33:48,401 --> 00:33:50,153
all of this data and evidence,
817
00:33:50,153 --> 00:33:51,863
I think now
818
00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:53,949
it is our responsibility
to take this forward.
819
00:33:53,949 --> 00:33:55,992
But I'd like to hear
820
00:33:55,992 --> 00:33:57,911
from the team, you know,
821
00:33:57,911 --> 00:33:59,371
what do we need to implement
822
00:33:59,371 --> 00:34:01,081
that will help us
advance this research
823
00:34:01,081 --> 00:34:02,624
to the next level?
824
00:34:02,624 --> 00:34:04,751
ERIK:
So, naturally, I'm interested
825
00:34:04,751 --> 00:34:08,255
in increasing our
instrumentation bandwidth.
826
00:34:08,255 --> 00:34:10,757
Our virtual presence
on the property.
827
00:34:10,757 --> 00:34:13,385
I mean, we can't
always be present.
828
00:34:13,385 --> 00:34:14,928
At the same time,
I have a feeling‐‐
829
00:34:14,928 --> 00:34:17,138
more than a feeling‐‐
I have the data
830
00:34:17,138 --> 00:34:19,432
that suggests that there are
things taking place
831
00:34:19,432 --> 00:34:21,851
all the time that are
part of this puzzle,
832
00:34:21,851 --> 00:34:23,353
and we want to collect
as much of that as possible.
833
00:34:23,353 --> 00:34:25,563
BRYANT:
That's a great idea.
834
00:34:25,563 --> 00:34:28,191
TRAVIS:
So another experiment
that we really should do,
835
00:34:28,191 --> 00:34:31,152
also, is that we should design
836
00:34:31,152 --> 00:34:37,158
and construct a very good,
small satellite platform
837
00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:40,245
that we can get launched
as a secondary payload,
838
00:34:40,245 --> 00:34:42,747
uh, pretty much for free‐‐
NASA has projects‐‐
839
00:34:42,747 --> 00:34:44,165
especially if we involve
a university.
840
00:34:44,165 --> 00:34:45,667
They'll launch it
for you for free.
841
00:34:45,667 --> 00:34:46,876
You don't have to pay
to get it launched.
842
00:34:46,876 --> 00:34:48,837
And‐and we would put it
in an orbit
843
00:34:48,837 --> 00:34:50,547
that goes over the ranch.
844
00:34:50,547 --> 00:34:51,923
BRANDON:
Wow.
845
00:34:51,923 --> 00:34:53,883
TRAVIS:
And so that we would
846
00:34:53,883 --> 00:34:55,677
continually get data from it.
847
00:34:55,677 --> 00:34:56,803
Wow.
848
00:34:56,803 --> 00:34:59,556
TRAVIS:
I want to try and
849
00:34:59,556 --> 00:35:02,350
reproduce stimulating
the phenomenon.
850
00:35:02,350 --> 00:35:05,645
Like the rocket test day,
where we were
851
00:35:05,645 --> 00:35:07,397
doing measurements
with the rockets,
852
00:35:07,397 --> 00:35:10,483
and then, suddenly,
we see so many phenomena.
853
00:35:10,483 --> 00:35:13,069
I want to see
if we can reproduce that.
854
00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:15,864
Thomas has‐has said before,
maybe the ranch
855
00:35:15,864 --> 00:35:19,409
gets immune to it and we have to
bring it up a notch each time.
856
00:35:19,409 --> 00:35:22,662
You know, do we do twice
as many rockets the next time?
857
00:35:22,662 --> 00:35:24,956
Or do we do one bigger rocket?
858
00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:27,417
‐That is something
we should really look at.
‐Right.
859
00:35:27,417 --> 00:35:29,336
SEGALA:
So what I would propose,
860
00:35:29,336 --> 00:35:32,422
I think that it's important
that we have a medical program
861
00:35:32,422 --> 00:35:34,966
with protocols in place
before anybody
862
00:35:34,966 --> 00:35:37,510
steps back on that ranch
in a significant way.
863
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:39,220
BRANDON:
Yeah, health and safety
864
00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:41,556
is going to be important,
especially given the fact that
865
00:35:41,556 --> 00:35:43,433
Tom and Travis
866
00:35:43,433 --> 00:35:45,977
both went to the hospital
as a result
867
00:35:45,977 --> 00:35:48,980
of the activities
over the last few months.
868
00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:51,316
TRAVIS:
It would've been great
to have had
869
00:35:51,316 --> 00:35:52,984
my vitals and all that
870
00:35:52,984 --> 00:35:55,487
being recorded
when the dosimeter went off,
871
00:35:55,487 --> 00:35:57,322
and said I was exposed
to radiation.
872
00:35:57,322 --> 00:35:58,990
SEGALA:
There is something going on.
873
00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:01,076
It seems to emanate
from the ground.
874
00:36:01,076 --> 00:36:04,204
How can we learn more about it?
875
00:36:04,204 --> 00:36:06,206
TRAVIS:
That's what I want to know‐‐
how can we get
876
00:36:06,206 --> 00:36:07,957
a really deep core sample?
877
00:36:07,957 --> 00:36:10,752
Like, like, can we dig really,
really, really deep?
878
00:36:10,752 --> 00:36:12,462
BRYANT:
How do you feel about
879
00:36:12,462 --> 00:36:14,923
doing that digging, though, or
would you want to hire somebody?
880
00:36:14,923 --> 00:36:16,841
Because even when
we did the core drilling,
881
00:36:16,841 --> 00:36:20,178
you know, you chose
to position yourself away.
882
00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:21,763
And you're the one
that has suffered
883
00:36:21,763 --> 00:36:23,056
the ramifications of the digging
884
00:36:23,056 --> 00:36:24,891
and this goes way back
to what we talked about
885
00:36:24,891 --> 00:36:26,851
when we first began
this exercise.
886
00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:29,270
I don't want to put you
in harm's way.
887
00:36:38,154 --> 00:36:40,407
YANT: How do you feel
about doing that digging?
888
00:36:40,407 --> 00:36:43,243
I don't want to put you
in harm's way.
889
00:36:43,243 --> 00:36:46,287
I don't want you to feel like
you're pushed into that.
890
00:36:46,287 --> 00:36:47,706
THOMAS:
Well, the points
891
00:36:47,706 --> 00:36:49,833
that we identified
are not that deep.
892
00:36:49,833 --> 00:36:51,501
They're not that far down.
893
00:36:51,501 --> 00:36:53,586
15, 20 feet is not a big deal.
894
00:36:53,586 --> 00:36:55,380
I'm just gonna wear
my tinfoil hard hat.
895
00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:59,050
(laughter)
896
00:36:59,050 --> 00:37:00,719
THOMAS:
I do have a lot
of people around me
897
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,221
that think, without a doubt,
898
00:37:03,221 --> 00:37:05,223
my injury was tied
to the digging.
899
00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:07,851
Well, it's not conclusive
that it was the digging.
900
00:37:07,851 --> 00:37:10,019
So that's why there's
part of me that said,
901
00:37:10,019 --> 00:37:12,647
"Yeah, I would,
I'd just be very cautious."
902
00:37:12,647 --> 00:37:15,942
I have a question
for you guys, though.
903
00:37:15,942 --> 00:37:19,320
For the first time since
you've owned the ranch,
904
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,157
this is the largest group
of people to be on that ranch.
905
00:37:22,157 --> 00:37:23,992
And I know, you know, you were,
906
00:37:23,992 --> 00:37:25,952
you were giving me
a hard time at the beginning
907
00:37:25,952 --> 00:37:27,620
'cause you said it's almost like
908
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:29,289
you guys talk as if
this ranch has a personality.
909
00:37:29,289 --> 00:37:31,666
Because we talked about
how when you introduce...
910
00:37:31,666 --> 00:37:34,502
‐It responds, yeah.
‐...somebody new,
the ranch responds.
911
00:37:34,502 --> 00:37:37,005
‐It's not a person.
‐It's a place, it's not a,
it's not a, an entity.
912
00:37:37,005 --> 00:37:39,549
But it responded.
913
00:37:39,549 --> 00:37:42,385
‐Yeah.
‐I have to tell you guys,
914
00:37:42,385 --> 00:37:44,095
when Brandon
first invited me in,
915
00:37:44,095 --> 00:37:45,513
the first day I came in here,
916
00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:48,349
I honestly didn't know
what to expect.
917
00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:51,436
But I didn't think
you guys were really onto
918
00:37:51,436 --> 00:37:54,147
what you were onto
because I don't believe
919
00:37:54,147 --> 00:37:58,401
99% of the things that people
claim they've seen, right?
920
00:37:58,401 --> 00:38:01,696
I think this is
in that one percent
921
00:38:01,696 --> 00:38:03,907
of the unexplainable weirdness‐‐
the "what is it?"
922
00:38:03,907 --> 00:38:05,909
And now we've
923
00:38:05,909 --> 00:38:08,745
got indisputable evidence
924
00:38:08,745 --> 00:38:12,457
that there is a real phenomenon
that's happening
925
00:38:12,457 --> 00:38:13,917
that is unexplainable.
926
00:38:13,917 --> 00:38:15,168
Whatever you want to call it.
927
00:38:15,168 --> 00:38:16,586
High strangeness?
928
00:38:16,586 --> 00:38:18,797
It's real and it's there.
929
00:38:18,797 --> 00:38:21,758
And I think the ramifications
of it is world‐changing.
930
00:38:21,758 --> 00:38:23,426
Agreed.
931
00:38:23,426 --> 00:38:25,220
And I'll tell you
what I told you
932
00:38:25,220 --> 00:38:26,888
when we started
on this adventure.
933
00:38:26,888 --> 00:38:28,765
I truly believe
now more than ever,
934
00:38:28,765 --> 00:38:31,518
if this ranch can help us
better understand
935
00:38:31,518 --> 00:38:33,603
the nature of the universe,
936
00:38:33,603 --> 00:38:35,772
and perhaps confirm
that we're not alone,
937
00:38:35,772 --> 00:38:38,399
this will indeed be
938
00:38:38,399 --> 00:38:42,195
the greatest science project
and endeavor of all time.
939
00:38:43,738 --> 00:38:45,573
‐Right.
‐And...
940
00:38:45,573 --> 00:38:48,034
as we move forward
and take next steps,
941
00:38:48,034 --> 00:38:50,078
we appreciate you coming in
and spending the time.
942
00:38:50,078 --> 00:38:51,830
Well, you have
my personal interest, Brandon.
943
00:38:51,830 --> 00:38:54,999
And I just want to make sure
you all understand,
944
00:38:54,999 --> 00:38:56,668
I take this very seriously.
945
00:38:56,668 --> 00:38:59,629
And so, as you all continue
946
00:38:59,629 --> 00:39:01,506
to validate, replicate, uh...
947
00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:05,426
and investigate, uh, even more,
I am anxious to see
948
00:39:05,426 --> 00:39:07,846
what the next... step brings.
949
00:39:07,846 --> 00:39:11,808
And I think that
only helps the entire state.
950
00:39:11,808 --> 00:39:14,060
‐So thanks very much.
‐Thank you very much.
951
00:39:14,060 --> 00:39:16,145
‐We appreciate that endorsement.
‐BRANDON: Thank you.
952
00:39:16,145 --> 00:39:18,231
We'll continue
to keep you informed,
953
00:39:18,231 --> 00:39:20,942
as to what we continue
to observe.
954
00:39:20,942 --> 00:39:24,320
And, ultimately, what we
discover as we move forward.
955
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,072
‐Let's go.
‐BRANDON: Thank you, gentlemen.
956
00:39:26,072 --> 00:39:28,241
Great, looking forward to it.
957
00:39:28,241 --> 00:39:30,660
BRANDON:
Given the extraordinary events
that have been observed
958
00:39:30,660 --> 00:39:32,996
and recorded over
the last several months,
959
00:39:32,996 --> 00:39:34,539
I believe that we
960
00:39:34,539 --> 00:39:37,125
have a responsibility
to take this forward
961
00:39:37,125 --> 00:39:40,003
in a, in a more
aggressive fashion.
962
00:39:41,087 --> 00:39:43,339
It's not a matter of if
963
00:39:43,339 --> 00:39:45,091
something is going to happen.
964
00:39:45,091 --> 00:39:48,094
It's a matter of when
that will happen
965
00:39:48,094 --> 00:39:50,096
and if we are truly prepared.
966
00:39:50,096 --> 00:39:51,347
‐There it is!
‐There it is again.
967
00:39:51,347 --> 00:39:53,266
It is clearly a beam.
968
00:39:53,266 --> 00:39:54,517
SEGALA:
This was an amazing summer.
969
00:39:54,517 --> 00:39:55,727
Ignition!
970
00:39:55,727 --> 00:39:56,936
I think the pinnacle
971
00:39:56,936 --> 00:39:59,689
was that we actually saw UFOs.
972
00:39:59,689 --> 00:40:01,274
‐Look, look, look!
‐What is that?
973
00:40:01,274 --> 00:40:02,984
Now that we know
exactly what they look like
974
00:40:02,984 --> 00:40:04,944
in the sky, we can start
tracking these things.
975
00:40:04,944 --> 00:40:07,071
We can actually set up a system
976
00:40:07,071 --> 00:40:09,115
that can communicate with them
977
00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:11,117
in some regard,
by sending them signals
978
00:40:11,117 --> 00:40:12,911
to see if they respond.
979
00:40:12,911 --> 00:40:15,288
‐There it is again!
‐SEGALA: That would be
980
00:40:15,288 --> 00:40:18,166
the next step in this
evolution of trying
981
00:40:18,166 --> 00:40:19,834
to figure out
what they are doing here,
982
00:40:19,834 --> 00:40:21,377
and why they picked this ranch
983
00:40:21,377 --> 00:40:23,504
or this area to do it.
984
00:40:23,504 --> 00:40:25,882
BRYANT:
When I first came to the ranch,
985
00:40:25,882 --> 00:40:28,259
I was kind of an agnostic,
when it came to the place.
986
00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:31,095
It's not that I didn't believe
that things were happening,
987
00:40:31,095 --> 00:40:34,140
but they sounded pretty amazing
and outlandish to me.
988
00:40:34,140 --> 00:40:35,516
Oh‐oh, right here, over here!
989
00:40:35,516 --> 00:40:37,852
‐Right there.
‐That's it.
990
00:40:37,852 --> 00:40:40,229
But after experiencing
what I did this summer,
991
00:40:40,229 --> 00:40:42,982
there's no doubt in my mind
that there's a phenomenon
992
00:40:42,982 --> 00:40:44,859
or something
taking place there
993
00:40:44,859 --> 00:40:46,986
that has completely
shaken my understanding
994
00:40:46,986 --> 00:40:48,571
on what reality really is.
995
00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:50,073
You got to see a UFO, dude.
996
00:40:50,073 --> 00:40:51,950
Dumbfounded, yeah, it's crazy.
997
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:55,203
As we move forward,
I think that we could really
998
00:40:55,203 --> 00:40:57,246
uncover something that could
999
00:40:57,246 --> 00:41:01,209
make people like myself
see the world differently.
1000
00:41:01,209 --> 00:41:02,585
Tom, you all right?
1001
00:41:02,585 --> 00:41:05,421
Well, let's get you
the heck out of here, man.
1002
00:41:05,421 --> 00:41:06,464
THOMAS:
Well, as they say,
1003
00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:08,758
we've opened up a can.
1004
00:41:08,758 --> 00:41:11,094
And we have just begun
1005
00:41:11,094 --> 00:41:14,097
to scratch the surface
of what's happening here.
1006
00:41:14,097 --> 00:41:17,433
For every answer that we're
getting in our investigation,
1007
00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:19,894
we're creating
ten more questions.
1008
00:41:19,894 --> 00:41:21,854
What in the world?
It's just dead.
1009
00:41:21,854 --> 00:41:24,065
THOMAS:
And who knows
1010
00:41:24,065 --> 00:41:26,818
what crazy and amazing
things are in store.
1011
00:41:26,818 --> 00:41:28,945
‐Audio beacon is on.
‐Let it rip.
1012
00:41:28,945 --> 00:41:32,573
Ain't that cool.
1013
00:41:32,573 --> 00:41:34,242
It's absolutely
inconceivable...
1014
00:41:34,242 --> 00:41:36,244
‐Oh!
‐...the amount of things
1015
00:41:36,244 --> 00:41:39,414
that we experienced and saw
and measured over the summer.
1016
00:41:39,414 --> 00:41:42,875
This looks like there's
something a thousand feet long.
1017
00:41:42,875 --> 00:41:46,129
We have indisputable proof that
there is an unusual phenomenon
1018
00:41:46,129 --> 00:41:49,215
that is not a normal occurrence.
1019
00:41:49,215 --> 00:41:51,259
I'm excited about it.
1020
00:41:51,259 --> 00:41:53,886
I can't wait to go back
and do more experiments.
1021
00:41:53,886 --> 00:41:56,556
I can't wait to see
what is out there.
1022
00:41:56,556 --> 00:41:59,142
Skinwalker Ranch may hold
secrets to the universe
1023
00:41:59,142 --> 00:42:01,352
that we've yet to uncover.
1024
00:42:01,352 --> 00:42:05,148
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