1 00:00:04,533 --> 00:00:06,467 and may contain mature subject matter. 2 00:00:06,467 --> 00:00:09,967 Viewer discretion is advised. 3 00:00:10,100 --> 00:00:11,367 I'd like to get to the bottom of whether and may contain mature subject matter. 4 00:00:11,500 --> 00:00:14,266 there really is a cave system beneath this ranch. 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,233 TRAVIS: This is the hole you was talking about? 6 00:00:16,367 --> 00:00:17,967 THOMAS: Yeah. We're gonna fill it with water 7 00:00:18,100 --> 00:00:19,800 and put some dye in it. 8 00:00:19,934 --> 00:00:21,133 TRAVIS: It's draining quickly. You guys need to get out there 9 00:00:21,266 --> 00:00:23,133 and start looking for this stuff. 10 00:00:23,266 --> 00:00:25,033 I don't see any green water. 11 00:00:25,166 --> 00:00:27,967 We saw 45,000 gallons of water disappear. 12 00:00:28,100 --> 00:00:29,900 It must be going somewhere rapidly. 13 00:00:30,033 --> 00:00:30,934 Yeah, I think that it's time that we need 14 00:00:31,066 --> 00:00:32,300 to get below the ground. 15 00:00:32,433 --> 00:00:34,734 Every time that someone 16 00:00:34,867 --> 00:00:37,300 does a major digging on this property, 17 00:00:37,433 --> 00:00:39,200 then bad things happen. 18 00:00:39,333 --> 00:00:41,600 You guys should take a look at Kaleb's phone. 19 00:00:41,734 --> 00:00:42,734 I don't have any control over it. 20 00:00:42,867 --> 00:00:44,467 It just goes right past my passcode. 21 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,533 Something here is crying out for help. 22 00:00:46,667 --> 00:00:48,133 KALEB: Or is it giving us a warning? 23 00:00:48,266 --> 00:00:50,133 TRAVIS: A little more than eight hours 24 00:00:50,266 --> 00:00:53,433 after digging down at the pit, this rectangular-shaped object 25 00:00:53,567 --> 00:00:55,266 instantly vanished. 26 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,700 It was right there. Something yellow and goldish color. 27 00:00:59,834 --> 00:01:02,000 That scared the (bleep) out of me. 28 00:01:02,133 --> 00:01:05,700 NARRATOR: There is a ranch in Northern Utah. 29 00:01:05,834 --> 00:01:08,500 It is considered the epicenter 30 00:01:08,633 --> 00:01:13,266 of the strangest and most disturbing phenomena on Earth: 31 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,667 animal mutilations, 32 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,834 bizarre UFO sightings 33 00:01:17,967 --> 00:01:23,166 and unusual energies that have proven harmful to humans. 34 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:25,600 For 20 years, the federal government 35 00:01:25,734 --> 00:01:28,934 tried to find answers and failed. 36 00:01:29,066 --> 00:01:33,166 Now a new team of dedicated scientists, 37 00:01:33,300 --> 00:01:37,000 researchers and experts has taken over. 38 00:01:37,133 --> 00:01:40,900 They are determined to solve the mystery and reveal... 39 00:01:43,633 --> 00:01:46,734 ...The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch. 40 00:01:57,500 --> 00:01:59,700 BRANDON (over phone): Hey, Dragon. What's going on? 41 00:01:59,834 --> 00:02:02,100 BRYANT: We had some crazy stuff go down 42 00:02:02,233 --> 00:02:04,200 that we all want to share with you. 43 00:02:04,333 --> 00:02:06,500 Hey, Brandon. It's Travis, uh, and, uh, Kaleb 44 00:02:06,633 --> 00:02:08,200 and the other guys j-- are just gonna jump in 45 00:02:08,333 --> 00:02:09,867 as we go through the story. 46 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,734 But just after dark, 47 00:02:11,867 --> 00:02:14,500 -Kaleb actually heard something in the bushes. -Mm-hmm. 48 00:02:14,633 --> 00:02:16,433 Like, uh, very near to us, 49 00:02:16,567 --> 00:02:19,100 and it startled him enough that he jumped up. 50 00:02:19,233 --> 00:02:21,767 -Kaleb you want to...? -I drew my pistol out 51 00:02:21,900 --> 00:02:23,867 and I turned on-- the flashlight on, 52 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,867 and I started looking-- going in the direction 53 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,433 of where I was hearing this, and it was behind 54 00:02:28,567 --> 00:02:31,600 that old trailer and the-the canal bank there. 55 00:02:31,734 --> 00:02:34,767 TRAVIS: Right as we got even with the trailer, 56 00:02:34,900 --> 00:02:39,033 uh, there was something that was rectangular-shaped, 57 00:02:39,166 --> 00:02:41,333 and it was shimmering yellowish-orange, 58 00:02:41,467 --> 00:02:42,934 and when Kaleb shined his light on it, 59 00:02:43,066 --> 00:02:44,700 it instantly vanished. 60 00:02:46,734 --> 00:02:48,667 It didn't run off through the weeds, 61 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,367 it didn't fly off, it didn't go through the ground, 62 00:02:51,500 --> 00:02:53,233 it didn't get in the creek. 63 00:02:53,367 --> 00:02:55,033 It just, I mean, just-- suddenly it was there 64 00:02:55,166 --> 00:02:56,533 and suddenly it wasn't. 65 00:03:00,066 --> 00:03:01,233 KALEB: Yeah. 66 00:03:01,367 --> 00:03:03,000 TRAVIS: There was this unmistakable 67 00:03:03,133 --> 00:03:06,100 rectangular-shaped object 68 00:03:06,233 --> 00:03:08,133 that was-- may have been about two 69 00:03:08,266 --> 00:03:09,900 to two and a half feet in length, 70 00:03:10,033 --> 00:03:12,400 and maybe a foot or so in height. 71 00:03:12,533 --> 00:03:17,734 And as Kaleb brings his pistol fully on the target, 72 00:03:17,867 --> 00:03:19,934 it's like the light comes back at us 73 00:03:20,066 --> 00:03:21,433 like it was off of a mirror. 74 00:03:21,567 --> 00:03:23,934 And then the thing instantly vanished. 75 00:03:24,066 --> 00:03:27,166 I find it interesting that an object could be 76 00:03:27,300 --> 00:03:28,834 that close, right inside, 77 00:03:28,967 --> 00:03:31,000 close here to the command center, 78 00:03:31,133 --> 00:03:35,400 where we've got so many cameras, and we didn't pick anything up. 79 00:03:38,900 --> 00:03:40,433 It was scary as hell. 80 00:03:40,567 --> 00:03:43,266 And while we were walking back to the command center, 81 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,333 I say, "Okay, guys, I'm going to go ahead 82 00:03:45,467 --> 00:03:47,967 and turn my video off." Within seconds 83 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:50,734 of me saying that, something flies across the sky 84 00:03:50,867 --> 00:03:53,400 uh, the southern-- looking due south, 85 00:03:53,533 --> 00:03:55,500 over the command center porch. 86 00:03:55,633 --> 00:03:58,300 And something flies across the sky, and I'm like, 87 00:03:58,433 --> 00:04:00,500 "Oh, my God, did y'all see that?" 88 00:04:05,934 --> 00:04:07,800 ERIK: Yeah, we, uh, 89 00:04:07,934 --> 00:04:10,500 looking-looking to the south, 90 00:04:10,633 --> 00:04:14,533 uh, from the east field, we caught several frames 91 00:04:14,667 --> 00:04:17,467 of this thing streaking across the sky. 92 00:04:19,333 --> 00:04:20,633 TRAVIS: At first glance you might think 93 00:04:20,767 --> 00:04:23,734 it's a-a meteorite or a shooting star. 94 00:04:23,867 --> 00:04:25,367 Erik and I looked at it closely, 95 00:04:25,500 --> 00:04:27,000 and it kind of has a different trajectory. 96 00:04:27,133 --> 00:04:29,867 It's going more... almost perfectly horizontal, 97 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,166 uh, as opposed to coming down like a meteorite does 98 00:04:33,300 --> 00:04:35,133 when it's, when it's on a trajectory impact course 99 00:04:35,266 --> 00:04:36,800 with the Earth. 100 00:04:36,934 --> 00:04:40,900 Maybe that's a telltale sign that it's not a meteorite. 101 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,066 ERIK: Sure. 102 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,700 Well, I would say that we need to emphasize 103 00:04:48,834 --> 00:04:51,367 on finding out a way to get more data 104 00:04:51,500 --> 00:04:53,900 on whatever this terrestrial ground phenomena was, 105 00:04:54,033 --> 00:04:55,300 that we saw. 106 00:04:55,433 --> 00:04:58,300 If it's a thing in a suit, we need to know that. 107 00:04:58,433 --> 00:05:00,367 If it's a, uh, some Mother Nature phenomenon, 108 00:05:00,500 --> 00:05:01,734 we need to know that. 109 00:05:01,867 --> 00:05:04,600 So, it could have been something that was humanoid, 110 00:05:04,734 --> 00:05:06,767 but we didn't see any arms, legs, head, nothing. 111 00:05:06,900 --> 00:05:08,533 All we saw was a rectangular, 112 00:05:08,667 --> 00:05:11,567 shimmering yellow-orange-ish phenomenon. 113 00:05:11,700 --> 00:05:13,533 All we can say is 114 00:05:13,667 --> 00:05:16,600 we felt in fear. 115 00:05:16,734 --> 00:05:18,867 We felt threatened, we felt we were in danger, 116 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,667 and that's what we got to think about. 117 00:05:46,900 --> 00:05:49,934 I think we've always suspected 118 00:05:50,066 --> 00:05:51,867 that we're being monitored. 119 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,233 You know, happening upon strange objects and phenomena 120 00:05:56,367 --> 00:05:58,200 really speaks to the fact that we're not alone 121 00:05:58,333 --> 00:06:00,066 on this ranch. 122 00:06:12,100 --> 00:06:13,767 -BRYANT: Ok, we'll do it. -All right. 123 00:06:19,934 --> 00:06:21,867 All right, thanks, Brandon. We'll talk to you soon. 124 00:06:32,934 --> 00:06:35,767 BRYANT: Yeah, so, I'm anxious to get you to meet Travis. 125 00:06:35,900 --> 00:06:38,367 I know that we're glad that you'd be willing to come out 126 00:06:38,500 --> 00:06:40,667 and show us some of the stuff you found because, as you know, 127 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,533 it's a vast piece of property, 128 00:06:42,667 --> 00:06:44,166 and trying to cover all that area 129 00:06:44,300 --> 00:06:45,667 can be a little bit daunting. 130 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,500 Glad to contribute to the team, 131 00:06:47,633 --> 00:06:49,633 and really excited to meet Travis. 132 00:06:49,767 --> 00:06:53,333 BRANDON: I thought it was important that we bring in Ryan Skinner, 133 00:06:53,467 --> 00:06:55,800 who has spent years researching 134 00:06:55,934 --> 00:06:58,133 not only the landscape of Skinwalker Ranch 135 00:06:58,266 --> 00:06:59,767 but the surrounding area. 136 00:06:59,900 --> 00:07:04,667 And he's documented in great detail aspects of the property. 137 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,033 RYAN: As a result of exploring out here 138 00:07:07,166 --> 00:07:11,100 was I became very familiar with these mesas and hillsides. 139 00:07:11,233 --> 00:07:14,367 I'd have to say the strangest event that occurred to me was 140 00:07:14,500 --> 00:07:17,700 I was out on the ranch, a ball of light came up 141 00:07:17,834 --> 00:07:19,400 over one of these hillsides 142 00:07:19,533 --> 00:07:21,834 and started coming directly towards me. 143 00:07:21,967 --> 00:07:24,767 And immediately, a feeling of terror 144 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:27,433 unlike anything I've ever felt in my life before. 145 00:07:27,567 --> 00:07:30,066 I dropped everything I had, my expensive camera, 146 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,567 all of my equipment, and started running back to the camp, 147 00:07:33,700 --> 00:07:35,400 and this thing is now trailing me. 148 00:07:35,533 --> 00:07:37,734 It was real, so I couldn't deny, I couldn't-- 149 00:07:37,867 --> 00:07:39,266 No matter how many times I went back in my head, 150 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,867 I couldn't rationalize it away. It really did happen. 151 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,433 I hope to give any kind of help and input I can, 152 00:07:44,567 --> 00:07:47,667 and I want to help solve this mystery with the team. 153 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,600 -I think I know you two. -ERIK: Ryan. 154 00:07:50,734 --> 00:07:52,066 -THOMAS: Hey, Ryan. -Hey. 155 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,600 -Good to see you again. -Tom, nice seeing you again. 156 00:07:53,734 --> 00:07:55,100 -ERIK: Good to see you again. -Erik, what's going on man? 157 00:07:55,233 --> 00:07:57,266 -Hey, man. Travis Taylor. -Travis, nice to meet you. 158 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,266 -Nice to meet you. -What's up, guys? -ERIK: What's up, Dragon? 159 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,166 THOMAS: So, Ryan what are you gonna show us? 160 00:08:01,300 --> 00:08:04,000 RYAN: I came across this, uh, location. 161 00:08:04,133 --> 00:08:06,000 Uh, it's up here on the mesa. 162 00:08:06,133 --> 00:08:09,433 It might give us some direction as to what's behind all this. 163 00:08:09,567 --> 00:08:11,800 -Oh. Okay. -THOMAS: Well, let's grab the UTV 164 00:08:11,934 --> 00:08:14,333 -and let's head up. -Okay. Sounds good. 165 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,967 RYAN: To me what's exciting is the location of it. 166 00:08:23,100 --> 00:08:24,333 You know, it just stood out, 167 00:08:24,467 --> 00:08:26,333 and maybe it's gonna jump out to you guys as well. 168 00:08:26,467 --> 00:08:28,400 You see that big large rock over there? 169 00:08:28,533 --> 00:08:32,033 -That's where we're gonna aim for. -THOMAS: Okay. 170 00:08:35,266 --> 00:08:37,900 TRAVIS: So, it's on which ridge? 171 00:08:38,033 --> 00:08:40,333 RYAN: To the left of this big rock. 172 00:08:40,467 --> 00:08:42,100 Right there, there's kind of those white... 173 00:08:42,233 --> 00:08:44,166 -Shapes. -Oh, you-- the little squiggle lines and stuff? 174 00:08:44,300 --> 00:08:46,133 -Is that what you're talking about? Huh. -RYAN: Right. Yep. 175 00:08:46,266 --> 00:08:47,934 RYAN: I came out here a few years ago 176 00:08:48,066 --> 00:08:50,233 and we did come across a pictograph 177 00:08:50,367 --> 00:08:52,133 that I couldn't interpret. 178 00:08:52,266 --> 00:08:54,233 I have no idea what it meant, but it really stood out 179 00:08:54,367 --> 00:08:56,066 compared to the other rocks. 180 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,000 TRAVIS: This stuff is loose, y'all. Be careful. 181 00:08:58,133 --> 00:09:01,333 RYAN: I believe the ancient people were aware 182 00:09:01,467 --> 00:09:02,900 of whatever's happening to us right now. 183 00:09:03,033 --> 00:09:06,633 They left us clues through their rock art 184 00:09:06,767 --> 00:09:09,367 and I hope the team and myself can contribute to that mystery 185 00:09:09,500 --> 00:09:11,667 in finding out some answers. 186 00:09:16,533 --> 00:09:18,567 TRAVIS: Guys, y'all got to get up here and see this. 187 00:09:22,633 --> 00:09:24,667 THOMAS: Last summer we had a cow that died. 188 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,567 No predators have touched this, which is highly unusual. 189 00:09:27,700 --> 00:09:29,200 Never seen one of those. 190 00:09:29,333 --> 00:09:30,967 JANILEE: The eyes, 191 00:09:31,100 --> 00:09:33,567 the back end of the cow were cut out. 192 00:09:33,700 --> 00:09:35,967 -You witnessed this with your own eyes? -Yeah. 193 00:09:43,734 --> 00:09:46,000 TRAVIS: How'd you find this, Ryan? 194 00:09:46,133 --> 00:09:48,700 RYAN: I've been walking all throughout these cliffs 195 00:09:48,834 --> 00:09:52,300 and looking at every-- every rock face, looking for something 196 00:09:52,433 --> 00:09:54,867 just like this, and this one jumped out. 197 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,800 We're halfway up the mesa on the northeastern corner 198 00:09:56,934 --> 00:09:58,767 of Skinwalker Ranch, 199 00:09:58,900 --> 00:10:01,033 and Ryan Skinner, a person with a long history here, 200 00:10:01,166 --> 00:10:04,266 has just shown us a really interesting petroglyph 201 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,133 on a rock face that none of us have ever seen before. 202 00:10:07,266 --> 00:10:10,100 It looks like it may even be 203 00:10:10,233 --> 00:10:11,500 a-all the way over there. 204 00:10:11,633 --> 00:10:13,166 It looks like there might be a line there. 205 00:10:13,300 --> 00:10:15,133 -Are you talking this right here? -Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 206 00:10:15,266 --> 00:10:17,333 -TRAVIS: That right there is where I'm thinking. -Oh. 207 00:10:17,467 --> 00:10:19,200 It pokes out-- I can't tell if it's the rock 208 00:10:19,333 --> 00:10:21,800 or if that continues on, but it's possible. 209 00:10:21,934 --> 00:10:24,967 Hey, guys. You know what I think this is? 210 00:10:27,767 --> 00:10:30,166 I think that's the Big Dipper. 211 00:10:30,300 --> 00:10:34,367 This is either Cassiopeia 212 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:36,000 -or Draco. -ERIK: Oh, wow. 213 00:10:36,133 --> 00:10:39,433 TRAVIS: Dating back centuries, this entire region 214 00:10:39,567 --> 00:10:40,834 was inhabited by indigenous people 215 00:10:40,967 --> 00:10:43,500 of the Navajo and the Ute tribes. 216 00:10:43,633 --> 00:10:46,166 They were known to create rock art such as petroglyphs 217 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:49,600 which are carved, and pictographs, which are painted. 218 00:10:49,734 --> 00:10:51,867 Now, these kinds of rock art were typically used 219 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,500 to either report something 220 00:10:53,633 --> 00:10:57,200 or to tell a story about aspects of their heritage. 221 00:10:57,333 --> 00:10:59,100 Now, I've been studying outer space 222 00:10:59,233 --> 00:11:02,166 for more than 35 years, and I can't help but notice 223 00:11:02,300 --> 00:11:05,934 that some of these markings in this feature look a lot like 224 00:11:06,066 --> 00:11:08,734 possible depictions of constellations to me. 225 00:11:08,867 --> 00:11:10,567 We all know the Big Dipper. 226 00:11:10,700 --> 00:11:13,767 But Draco was a dragon or a serpent creature 227 00:11:13,900 --> 00:11:15,400 in Greek mythology. 228 00:11:15,533 --> 00:11:18,667 So, I'm wondering, if that's what this is, 229 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,600 who carved this and just what were they trying to convey? 230 00:11:22,734 --> 00:11:24,100 I don't know which one this is, 231 00:11:24,233 --> 00:11:26,934 but I think it could be a star map. 232 00:11:29,967 --> 00:11:31,900 If that's north-- Look, look at this. 233 00:11:32,033 --> 00:11:34,734 -There's the mesa, huh? -It's the mesa. Look at that. 234 00:11:34,867 --> 00:11:40,734 This, if you look here and you trace all this like this, 235 00:11:40,867 --> 00:11:42,367 that looks just like the mesa, don't it? 236 00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:44,200 It does, it actually has a lot of the similarities, 237 00:11:44,333 --> 00:11:45,734 even the shape. 238 00:11:45,867 --> 00:11:47,700 TRAVIS: Now we have to be very careful 239 00:11:47,834 --> 00:11:50,567 not to jump to conclusions, but suddenly, 240 00:11:50,700 --> 00:11:52,834 I'm noticing that it looks almost like someone 241 00:11:52,967 --> 00:11:56,066 carved a map of the mesa in this rock art. 242 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,600 Now, if that's what this is, the question is why? 243 00:11:59,734 --> 00:12:02,900 Look here. There's two spots. 244 00:12:04,567 --> 00:12:06,467 Does that two spots 245 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,333 look like a familiar place if this is the mesa? 246 00:12:11,133 --> 00:12:14,400 BRYANT: Oh, w-- the spot where we had the beam 247 00:12:14,533 --> 00:12:17,066 -that came up by the homestead area? -Yeah. 248 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,934 When we shined the laser at the mesa, 249 00:12:21,066 --> 00:12:24,433 that's right where we were with the laser. 250 00:12:24,567 --> 00:12:26,600 -THOMAS: You ready? -TRAVIS: Yep. 251 00:12:26,734 --> 00:12:29,333 TRAVIS: Last summer, we were investigating a phenomenon 252 00:12:29,467 --> 00:12:30,734 that has been reported where 253 00:12:30,867 --> 00:12:33,500 parts of the mesa supposedly become illuminated. 254 00:12:33,633 --> 00:12:35,567 We started by shining a laser beam at it 255 00:12:35,700 --> 00:12:36,967 to see what would happen. 256 00:12:37,100 --> 00:12:39,066 -There it is. -Wait, is that--- There's two. 257 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,433 TRAVIS: Look. 258 00:12:41,567 --> 00:12:42,600 Do that again. 259 00:12:43,734 --> 00:12:45,433 THOMAS: How is it doing that? 260 00:12:45,567 --> 00:12:46,900 TRAVIS: That is so weird. 261 00:12:47,033 --> 00:12:49,066 Then, almost immediately afterwards, 262 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:50,967 we all witnessed a strange glowing 263 00:12:51,100 --> 00:12:52,567 across the top of the ridge. 264 00:12:52,700 --> 00:12:55,333 Hey guys, we just noticed on the screen here a second ago, 265 00:12:55,467 --> 00:12:58,100 do you see the glow, the flicker? 266 00:12:58,233 --> 00:13:00,867 TRAVIS: Yeah, it's flickering. 267 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,200 It's just really strange to me to see something eerily similar 268 00:13:05,333 --> 00:13:07,734 possibly being depicted in this rock art. 269 00:13:07,867 --> 00:13:09,734 Is it because whoever made this long ago 270 00:13:09,867 --> 00:13:11,734 experienced the same thing? 271 00:13:11,867 --> 00:13:13,967 I-I feel like I have to ask. 272 00:13:14,100 --> 00:13:16,233 So, when you happened across this, Ryan, 273 00:13:16,367 --> 00:13:18,233 what jumped out to you? 274 00:13:18,367 --> 00:13:20,333 What d-- How did you interpret this thing? 275 00:13:20,467 --> 00:13:23,066 Uh, the triangle jumped out to me a little bit. 276 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:24,700 The Shermans 277 00:13:24,834 --> 00:13:27,200 on the west side of the property would see a portal open up, 278 00:13:27,333 --> 00:13:29,800 and these miniature triangles would come out 279 00:13:29,934 --> 00:13:31,667 of the portal and go over the property. 280 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,166 ♪ ♪ 281 00:13:34,867 --> 00:13:36,800 BRANDON: The Sherman family 282 00:13:36,934 --> 00:13:38,867 bought the property in the early '90s. 283 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,867 It was their dream to really farm and ranch on the property 284 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,000 and-and really raise prized cattle. 285 00:13:47,700 --> 00:13:50,166 The Shermans quickly found out, unfortunately, 286 00:13:50,300 --> 00:13:51,967 that, uh, they were not alone. 287 00:13:52,100 --> 00:13:56,033 The Sherman family reported all sorts of strangeness. 288 00:13:56,166 --> 00:14:00,934 Anything from experiences with giant wolf-type creatures 289 00:14:01,066 --> 00:14:05,200 to their prized cattle showing up mutilated. 290 00:14:07,934 --> 00:14:11,100 They unfortunately got chased off of this ground 291 00:14:11,233 --> 00:14:12,533 by the paranormal activity 292 00:14:12,667 --> 00:14:15,266 shortly after they took possession of the ranch. 293 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,300 When Ryan said the Shermans actually believed 294 00:14:18,433 --> 00:14:19,967 they saw portals open on the ranch 295 00:14:20,100 --> 00:14:22,934 and strange illuminated objects suddenly appear, 296 00:14:23,066 --> 00:14:24,567 that immediately made me think 297 00:14:24,700 --> 00:14:26,400 of what Kaleb and I saw the other night. 298 00:14:26,533 --> 00:14:28,133 Now, it wasn't a triangle, 299 00:14:28,266 --> 00:14:31,266 but it was definitely an oddly shaped, illuminated phenomenon 300 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,967 that I have no scientific explanation for. 301 00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:36,700 I can't say for sure that there's a connection 302 00:14:36,834 --> 00:14:39,367 between what this rock art is meant to convey 303 00:14:39,500 --> 00:14:40,934 and what we saw the other night, 304 00:14:41,066 --> 00:14:45,200 but it does mean we have to keep investigating and figure it out. 305 00:14:45,333 --> 00:14:48,033 I wonder if there's a way to date these things. 306 00:14:48,166 --> 00:14:51,066 It could have been 10,000 years ago, 307 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,233 could have been 400 years ago. 308 00:14:53,367 --> 00:14:55,233 But somebody drew that on there. 309 00:14:55,367 --> 00:14:56,934 ERIK: That suggests to me we should get 310 00:14:57,066 --> 00:14:58,967 a glyph expert out here to have a look at this. 311 00:14:59,100 --> 00:15:00,633 Yeah. Yeah, you don't need a physicist up here 312 00:15:00,767 --> 00:15:02,133 telling you how they did this. You need a... 313 00:15:02,266 --> 00:15:04,934 you-you need an archaeologist or whoever does 314 00:15:05,066 --> 00:15:07,200 glyphs for a living. Uh... 315 00:15:07,333 --> 00:15:08,934 Ryan, this is cool, dude. I appreciate it. 316 00:15:09,066 --> 00:15:10,500 -So... -It's enlightening to me, so... 317 00:15:10,633 --> 00:15:12,033 -BRYANT: I agree. Let's get out of here. -Let's go. 318 00:15:15,166 --> 00:15:17,633 ♪ ♪ 319 00:15:20,433 --> 00:15:21,934 -Morning, guys. -Hello, hello. 320 00:15:22,066 --> 00:15:24,000 This is Dr. Dean Taylor. 321 00:15:24,133 --> 00:15:26,667 TRAVIS: While we were arranging for a petroglyph expert 322 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:27,834 to come out to the ranch 323 00:15:27,967 --> 00:15:30,000 to examine the rock art on the mesa, 324 00:15:30,133 --> 00:15:32,533 Thomas headed up an important investigation 325 00:15:32,667 --> 00:15:34,767 related to one of the most bizarre things 326 00:15:34,900 --> 00:15:36,433 we encountered last year. 327 00:15:36,567 --> 00:15:37,767 Thomas Winterton. 328 00:15:37,900 --> 00:15:40,767 We decided to call in a veterinarian 329 00:15:40,900 --> 00:15:42,767 with the Utah Department of Agriculture, 330 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:45,100 uh, Dr. Dean Taylor. 331 00:15:45,233 --> 00:15:46,834 Last summer, we had a cow that died 332 00:15:46,967 --> 00:15:50,633 from rapid-onset, stress-induced pneumonia. 333 00:15:50,767 --> 00:15:52,633 TRAVIS: What in the world? 334 00:15:52,767 --> 00:15:54,667 There's no cat tracks. There's no... 335 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:55,967 s-sign of struggle. 336 00:15:56,100 --> 00:15:57,967 -KANDUS: Middle of the day. -It's just dead. 337 00:15:58,100 --> 00:16:01,000 -(flies buzzing) -It's hard to kill a cow. 338 00:16:01,133 --> 00:16:03,066 -THOMAS: Look at this. Feel-feel my phone. -BRYANT: Look at this. 339 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,700 It's going vibrate to mute, vibrate to mute like crazy. 340 00:16:05,834 --> 00:16:07,433 Holy crap. 341 00:16:07,567 --> 00:16:09,400 Given the history of reported cattle mutilations 342 00:16:09,533 --> 00:16:10,867 on Skinwalker Ranch, 343 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,867 we were all put on edge when this otherwise normal cow 344 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,433 just dropped dead. 345 00:16:15,567 --> 00:16:18,000 And as soon as we started to investigate it, 346 00:16:18,133 --> 00:16:20,266 Thomas Winterton's phone started glitching 347 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,500 like it was being hacked. 348 00:16:21,633 --> 00:16:23,500 -The meter's going nuts. -Over there. 349 00:16:23,633 --> 00:16:24,900 TRAVIS: And out of nowhere, 350 00:16:25,033 --> 00:16:26,567 we started getting meter readings 351 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:30,266 for really high levels of radiation all around us. 352 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,900 13, 14. We're at 15. 16. 353 00:16:33,033 --> 00:16:34,900 THOMAS: The day after the cow died last year, 354 00:16:35,033 --> 00:16:36,433 we were reviewing some of the footage 355 00:16:36,567 --> 00:16:38,900 and we noticed this object up in the sky. 356 00:16:39,033 --> 00:16:40,767 ERIK: The cow is right here. 357 00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:43,367 I can't help but also notice that there's... 358 00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:46,100 something happening here. 359 00:16:46,233 --> 00:16:48,266 -TRAVIS: Yo. Whoa. Look at that. -Yeah, there it is. Right there. 360 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,233 BRANDON: The cow reacted 361 00:16:50,367 --> 00:16:52,400 the moment that that object appeared. 362 00:16:52,533 --> 00:16:53,834 THOMAS: I was sitting here this whole time 363 00:16:53,967 --> 00:16:55,200 just thinking it was a bird. 364 00:16:55,333 --> 00:16:57,200 But you watch that real-time-- I mean, that's fast. 365 00:16:57,333 --> 00:16:58,867 Yeah, there's no bird moving that fast. 366 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,400 Not at a thousand feet per second. 367 00:17:00,533 --> 00:17:02,166 I have no idea what that is. 368 00:17:02,300 --> 00:17:03,734 Cows die. 369 00:17:03,867 --> 00:17:05,967 -It's part of ranching, unfortunately. -Right. 370 00:17:06,100 --> 00:17:08,066 But the predators come in 371 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,000 and scavenge it almost immediately. 372 00:17:10,133 --> 00:17:13,834 And we have this particular cow that died last year. 373 00:17:13,967 --> 00:17:16,500 -Okay. -Uh, but the strange thing is 374 00:17:16,633 --> 00:17:19,333 we took the cow out to a remote part of the property 375 00:17:19,467 --> 00:17:23,000 and, uh, it sat there untouched for almost a year. 376 00:17:23,133 --> 00:17:24,767 Okay. Yeah, that is unusual. 377 00:17:24,900 --> 00:17:27,066 -KALEB: Mm-hmm. -'Cause there should be coyotes and... 378 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,066 KALEB: We've got a lot of different predators out here 379 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,567 -that... -Should clean that up. 380 00:17:31,700 --> 00:17:32,967 -Yeah. -THOMAS: Well, I'll tell you what, 381 00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:34,900 I'll have you jump in this red UTV 382 00:17:35,033 --> 00:17:36,600 -and, uh, we'll head out. -DEAN: Okay. 383 00:17:36,734 --> 00:17:38,200 -All right. Sounds good. -All right. 384 00:17:39,633 --> 00:17:41,934 THOMAS: There's something there in this cow 385 00:17:42,066 --> 00:17:43,467 that's making it undesirable. 386 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,467 And, uh, the birds haven't touched it. 387 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,100 The predators haven't touched it. 388 00:17:47,233 --> 00:17:50,166 So, hopefully, with Dr. Taylor coming out, 389 00:17:50,300 --> 00:17:52,734 we'll be able to get to the bottom of it. 390 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,734 We try to find a remote place that's out of the way, and... 391 00:17:57,867 --> 00:18:00,867 and then the predators usually come in and take care of it. 392 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,967 But, uh, in this case, 393 00:18:03,100 --> 00:18:05,800 as you can see, the predators haven't done their job. 394 00:18:05,934 --> 00:18:07,266 No, they haven't touched it. 395 00:18:08,333 --> 00:18:10,300 Yeah, that is unusual. 396 00:18:13,967 --> 00:18:15,333 You can see that nothing's been pulling 397 00:18:15,467 --> 00:18:17,033 at that. You'd see teeth marks. 398 00:18:17,166 --> 00:18:20,066 There's something about that carcass that I don't like. 399 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,700 Snakes represents two different worlds. 400 00:18:22,834 --> 00:18:24,800 So it's a guardian to the portals. 401 00:18:24,934 --> 00:18:27,500 The portal is a window into the supernatural. 402 00:18:32,066 --> 00:18:33,700 haven't done their job. THOMs 403 00:18:33,834 --> 00:18:35,734 DEAN: No, they haven't touched it. 404 00:18:35,867 --> 00:18:38,166 You can see that nothing's been pulling at that. 405 00:18:38,300 --> 00:18:39,600 You'd see teeth marks. 406 00:18:39,734 --> 00:18:40,867 Yeah. 407 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,700 Because this cow hasn't been touched for a year, 408 00:18:42,834 --> 00:18:45,433 we decided to call in Dr. Dean Taylor. 409 00:18:45,567 --> 00:18:46,900 So, hopefully, we'll be able 410 00:18:47,033 --> 00:18:49,767 to get to the bottom and identify why it is 411 00:18:49,900 --> 00:18:53,867 that-that, uh, these predators haven't wanted to eat this cow. 412 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,233 DEAN: Even if there's still quite a bit of the carcass left, 413 00:18:56,367 --> 00:18:58,967 you'll still find loose rib bones. 414 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:03,900 But the bones are laying right where you dropped them. 415 00:19:04,033 --> 00:19:06,734 Had the predators just come in and-and did 416 00:19:06,867 --> 00:19:08,734 what they usually do, which is pick it over clean 417 00:19:08,867 --> 00:19:10,900 -and, within a week, you can't tell that she was here, right? -Right. 418 00:19:11,033 --> 00:19:12,633 -And scatter the bones all over. -Had they done that, 419 00:19:12,767 --> 00:19:14,500 then it would have been case closed. 420 00:19:15,567 --> 00:19:17,734 But nothing touched her. 421 00:19:17,867 --> 00:19:19,734 KALEB: She-she was perfect... 422 00:19:19,867 --> 00:19:22,400 perfectly fine, as-as far as we knew, 423 00:19:22,533 --> 00:19:23,734 -up to that point. -DEAN: Okay. 424 00:19:23,867 --> 00:19:26,400 Did any other cows get sick after? 425 00:19:26,533 --> 00:19:28,934 -No. -No. In fact, they were all at the other end of the field. 426 00:19:30,734 --> 00:19:32,667 Ignition. 427 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,433 Last year, shortly before 428 00:19:34,567 --> 00:19:36,900 this cow dropped dead near the command center, 429 00:19:37,033 --> 00:19:38,300 we were launching rockets, 430 00:19:38,433 --> 00:19:40,900 attempting to measure some electromagnetic anomalies 431 00:19:41,033 --> 00:19:43,166 we detected high above the ranch. 432 00:19:43,300 --> 00:19:44,667 SEGALA: Look at the cows. 433 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,767 -BRYANT: Never seen that before. -(mooing) 434 00:19:46,900 --> 00:19:49,834 TRAVIS: Suddenly, the cows all began bunching up. 435 00:19:49,967 --> 00:19:51,600 Clearly, they were spooked. 436 00:19:51,734 --> 00:19:54,000 And then something even stranger happened. 437 00:19:54,133 --> 00:19:55,767 -Look, look, look, look! -What is that? 438 00:19:55,900 --> 00:19:57,934 TRAVIS: We saw two different unidentified objects 439 00:19:58,066 --> 00:19:59,400 suddenly appear over the ranch. 440 00:19:59,533 --> 00:20:01,934 They made incredible aerodynamic moves 441 00:20:02,066 --> 00:20:04,767 and then they just disappeared. 442 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:05,800 It's gone. 443 00:20:05,934 --> 00:20:07,567 TRAVIS: Not long after, 444 00:20:07,700 --> 00:20:09,734 this cow died right in the same area 445 00:20:09,867 --> 00:20:11,333 and at the same time 446 00:20:11,467 --> 00:20:14,934 as another UFO appeared right above it in the sky. 447 00:20:15,066 --> 00:20:17,934 So now that nothing has touched this carcass since, 448 00:20:18,066 --> 00:20:21,266 I'm wondering if all these events are related in some way, 449 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,700 including what we saw the other night. 450 00:20:24,767 --> 00:20:26,633 DEAN: The thing that doesn't really fit 451 00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:27,633 is the sudden death. 452 00:20:27,767 --> 00:20:29,100 There's not... 453 00:20:29,233 --> 00:20:31,600 that many things that would cause that cow to be good 454 00:20:31,734 --> 00:20:35,233 in the morning and dead in the afternoon. 455 00:20:35,367 --> 00:20:38,166 Even if it was a rapid death from pneumonia, 456 00:20:38,300 --> 00:20:42,333 I would expect that cow to be standing off, uh, 457 00:20:42,467 --> 00:20:45,233 open-mouth breathing, uh, coughing. 458 00:20:45,367 --> 00:20:46,834 With pneumonia, usually, you're gonna have 459 00:20:46,967 --> 00:20:49,600 a pretty clear indication that that's the case. 460 00:20:49,734 --> 00:20:51,567 TOM: Now, what about specifically 461 00:20:51,700 --> 00:20:53,467 a cow that doesn't... 462 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,066 you know, decompose right or...? 463 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,500 Never seen one of those. 464 00:20:58,934 --> 00:21:01,000 -I'll be honest. -KANDUS: So, the effect of an acute pneumonia 465 00:21:01,133 --> 00:21:02,967 -wouldn't be the reason... -No. 466 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:06,300 -something wouldn't eat this cow. -No. 467 00:21:06,433 --> 00:21:09,967 In fact, predators probably would seek them out. 468 00:21:10,100 --> 00:21:12,900 -Yeah. -And-and that was another one of 'em, was-- 469 00:21:13,033 --> 00:21:15,934 -that I noticed-- was no insects. -Yeah. 470 00:21:17,300 --> 00:21:19,233 DEAN: There's something about that carcass 471 00:21:19,367 --> 00:21:21,133 that I don't like. 472 00:21:21,266 --> 00:21:23,200 All of the entrails, uh, 473 00:21:23,333 --> 00:21:25,367 are still with-- inside the body cavity, 474 00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:28,367 and I don't know what would cause animals 475 00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:31,033 not to touch this cow in a year's time. 476 00:21:31,166 --> 00:21:33,633 I think I'd like to take a sample of that hind leg 477 00:21:33,767 --> 00:21:35,700 -right there, where it's-it's still got -THOMAS: Okay. 478 00:21:35,834 --> 00:21:37,900 some covering around it with the skin. 479 00:21:38,033 --> 00:21:40,233 Looking at this animal, there isn't 480 00:21:40,367 --> 00:21:43,834 really anything that is gonna say, "This animal died of this." 481 00:21:43,967 --> 00:21:47,667 So, we're gonna sample what we have available. 482 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,700 -I'm all right there, Doctor? -Yeah. That'll be perfect. 483 00:21:50,834 --> 00:21:53,000 DEAN: So, hopefully, with the lab diagnostics, 484 00:21:53,133 --> 00:21:54,367 we can find something up there 485 00:21:54,500 --> 00:21:56,734 to send us down a path at least. 486 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,734 TOM: Thanks, Dr. Taylor. 487 00:22:08,333 --> 00:22:09,367 -Is this him here? -Yup. -Yeah. 488 00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:11,367 -ERIK: Alan. -Hey. 489 00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:13,433 -Erik, how are you? -Doing great. How are you? 490 00:22:13,567 --> 00:22:15,033 -Good. -Welcome to the ranch. 491 00:22:15,166 --> 00:22:17,133 -Hey. Travis Taylor. -Travis. 492 00:22:17,266 --> 00:22:19,100 TRAVIS: Erik has invited Dr. Alan Garfinkel 493 00:22:19,233 --> 00:22:21,767 to come out to the ranch to examine the petroglyph 494 00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:23,967 that Ryan Skinner showed us 495 00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:26,734 on the side of the mesa a couple of days ago. 496 00:22:26,867 --> 00:22:29,367 Now, we're all hoping that he can shed some light 497 00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:33,066 on whether or not these carved images might be important clues 498 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,266 about the phenomena that we've recently experienced out here. 499 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,467 So, you guys know Alan is an archeologist, anthropologist, 500 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,066 and a petroglyphs expert. 501 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,700 And so we're going to go out and take a look 502 00:22:43,834 --> 00:22:45,567 at some of the things we have on the ranch 503 00:22:45,700 --> 00:22:47,734 -not far from where we stand. -Honored. Love to see them. 504 00:22:47,867 --> 00:22:50,800 I've been working in the field of ethnography 505 00:22:50,934 --> 00:22:53,700 and rock art studies for 40 years. 506 00:22:53,834 --> 00:22:57,467 My efforts and expertise are on the desert west, 507 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,200 specifically the Great Basin, 508 00:23:00,333 --> 00:23:03,266 and about the indigenous people of the Great Basin. 509 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,333 Well, let's show him some adventure, Erik. 510 00:23:05,467 --> 00:23:06,600 Let's see some adventure. 511 00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:12,667 ALAN: I knew there was a lot 512 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,367 of supernatural activities 513 00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:18,667 that have been identified here at the ranch. 514 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,600 And I also understand that part of my responsibilities are 515 00:23:22,734 --> 00:23:25,667 to see how that rock art and see how these images 516 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,333 and those features might have interfingered with this 517 00:23:29,467 --> 00:23:32,600 paranormal or supernatural realm. 518 00:23:32,734 --> 00:23:34,834 So, this is it? 519 00:23:34,967 --> 00:23:37,700 -KANDUS: Yup. Here we are. -ALAN: Okay. 520 00:23:38,767 --> 00:23:40,934 ALAN: Well, look at this place. 521 00:23:41,066 --> 00:23:42,934 We're kind of in an amphitheater here, aren't we? 522 00:23:43,066 --> 00:23:44,100 Check this out. 523 00:23:44,233 --> 00:23:46,867 (clap echoing) 524 00:23:47,934 --> 00:23:49,767 -You hear that echo? -Yeah. Sure. 525 00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:52,500 Yeah. That's one of the reasons that, uh, this area 526 00:23:52,633 --> 00:23:58,266 might have been chosen to have rock art-- because it echoes. 527 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,767 When I approached the location, I immediately noticed 528 00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:03,233 that it was an echo-phonic area. 529 00:24:03,367 --> 00:24:05,233 The echoes would come back to me. 530 00:24:05,367 --> 00:24:08,100 Native people look at that and say, "Ah-ha. 531 00:24:08,233 --> 00:24:12,433 Here is an area of magic, of power, of the supernatural." 532 00:24:12,567 --> 00:24:14,433 -Hmm. -It's part of the archeo-acoustics, 533 00:24:14,567 --> 00:24:16,533 -or acoustic archeology. -I see. 534 00:24:16,667 --> 00:24:20,400 And the stones are talking, 535 00:24:20,533 --> 00:24:23,200 so it's communicating with us. 536 00:24:23,333 --> 00:24:26,600 TRAVIS: It's really interesting to me how Dr. Garfinkel made 537 00:24:26,734 --> 00:24:29,767 the observation that this particular location 538 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:32,533 may have been chosen because of the acoustics. 539 00:24:32,667 --> 00:24:35,233 But the real question is, could it have been chosen 540 00:24:35,367 --> 00:24:36,834 for something more than that? 541 00:24:36,967 --> 00:24:39,533 We all have our opinion about what that is, 542 00:24:39,667 --> 00:24:41,433 what it means and what it tells. 543 00:24:41,567 --> 00:24:44,700 We'd love to hear what your take on it is without us tainting it. 544 00:24:44,834 --> 00:24:47,700 -Great. Can we wander? -TOM: Absolutely. 545 00:24:54,133 --> 00:24:56,033 Interesting. Wow. 546 00:24:56,166 --> 00:24:58,166 Little bit of eye candy, huh? 547 00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:01,834 So, what I'm looking at is these curves. 548 00:25:01,967 --> 00:25:03,500 This is part of this "desert varnish" 549 00:25:03,633 --> 00:25:05,900 as it's called, this blackened surface, 550 00:25:06,033 --> 00:25:08,934 and it's-it's formed from water, 551 00:25:09,066 --> 00:25:12,000 wind, air, sun, 552 00:25:12,133 --> 00:25:14,667 and it gets darker and darker and darker. 553 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,300 TRAVIS: Then what do they use 554 00:25:16,433 --> 00:25:17,734 to remove it? What is the... 555 00:25:17,867 --> 00:25:19,433 -Is it an acid, or they rub it? -No. 556 00:25:19,567 --> 00:25:21,934 They usually have a quartz hammer stone. 557 00:25:22,066 --> 00:25:23,433 TRAVIS: Ah, okay. 558 00:25:23,567 --> 00:25:25,633 Now can you see pecking happening here? 559 00:25:25,767 --> 00:25:27,900 Yes. You can see if you look very, very closely. 560 00:25:28,033 --> 00:25:29,467 You can see that this has been pecked 561 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,333 and incised into the rock. 562 00:25:32,467 --> 00:25:35,667 But what I'm looking at is these curves. 563 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,266 It's a metaphor for a serpent or a snake. 564 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,633 For the Euto-Aztek people, 565 00:25:40,767 --> 00:25:43,066 hailing from the Aztecs, etcetera, 566 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,800 we're talking about an animal 567 00:25:44,934 --> 00:25:48,567 that is a metaphor or a symbol 568 00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:50,133 of life and death. 569 00:25:50,266 --> 00:25:52,500 Snakes represents two different worlds, 570 00:25:52,633 --> 00:25:54,834 so it's a guardian to the portals. 571 00:25:54,967 --> 00:25:58,266 The portal is a window into the supernatural. 572 00:26:03,033 --> 00:26:06,567 He just took it upon himself to investigate these sightings. 573 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,233 -There's something to this. -JANILEE: The eyes, 574 00:26:10,367 --> 00:26:12,133 the back end of the cow were 575 00:26:12,266 --> 00:26:14,700 -cut out. -You witnessed this with your own eyes? 576 00:26:14,834 --> 00:26:16,567 Yeah, right here at the ranch. 577 00:26:21,066 --> 00:26:24,333 into the supernatural. w 578 00:26:24,467 --> 00:26:27,033 That right there is-is, uh... is very interesting, 579 00:26:27,166 --> 00:26:29,867 and I don't know if you'd say important to our investigation, 580 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,867 but there is a lot of mythos and legend 581 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,300 about portals opening up around here for hundreds of years. 582 00:26:37,433 --> 00:26:38,867 I mean, that's exactly what this is saying. 583 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,500 Native people would produce images like this, 584 00:26:44,633 --> 00:26:46,300 and they would mirror their cosmology. 585 00:26:46,433 --> 00:26:48,200 They'd mirror their worldview. 586 00:26:48,333 --> 00:26:52,333 And so, if they have a belief about a portal, 587 00:26:52,467 --> 00:26:55,834 if they have a belief about the heavens and the Earth, 588 00:26:55,967 --> 00:27:00,400 this could be memorialized in the rock drawing. 589 00:27:00,533 --> 00:27:02,767 TRAVIS: If this glyph really is a depiction 590 00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:06,333 of a portal that was carved by native people a long time ago, 591 00:27:06,467 --> 00:27:09,000 my questions are, why did they believe that? 592 00:27:09,133 --> 00:27:11,033 And could it not only help get us closer 593 00:27:11,166 --> 00:27:13,367 to an explanation of what we're dealing with, 594 00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:15,500 but could it also explain the things 595 00:27:15,633 --> 00:27:17,266 that have frightened people off this ranch 596 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,867 for more than a century? 597 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,600 The natural feature of the rock 598 00:27:20,734 --> 00:27:22,834 is almost the same shape as the mesa, 599 00:27:22,967 --> 00:27:25,934 and I have hypothesized 600 00:27:26,066 --> 00:27:29,734 that these are star patterns, rising or setting 601 00:27:29,867 --> 00:27:33,066 or what have you, at certain times of the year over the mesa. 602 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,734 Right, there is a thing called "asterisms," 603 00:27:35,867 --> 00:27:38,333 and so, within the rock art, 604 00:27:38,467 --> 00:27:41,400 within the petroglyphs, they depict 605 00:27:41,533 --> 00:27:44,533 the celestial bodies and the horizon. 606 00:27:44,667 --> 00:27:47,600 And so, very commonly, 607 00:27:47,734 --> 00:27:49,567 there are certain star patterns 608 00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:53,000 and certain stars that would be very significant. 609 00:27:53,133 --> 00:27:55,700 What it actually does align with, and I have looked at it... 610 00:27:55,834 --> 00:27:58,333 -Yeah. Of course. -And you know, I am an astronomer. 611 00:27:58,467 --> 00:28:00,767 -And, uh, this snake pattern at the top... -Yes. 612 00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:03,066 -...looks just like the constellation Draco... -Okay. 613 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,667 -...which is a dragon or a serpent. -There you go. 614 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,233 BRYANT: There are a lot of strange 615 00:28:09,367 --> 00:28:11,333 and interesting things happening on this ranch. 616 00:28:11,467 --> 00:28:14,467 But seeing this pictograph or this petroglyph, and 617 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,333 given all the stories and the history of what have been called 618 00:28:17,467 --> 00:28:19,500 "portals" opening up here at Skinwalker Ranch, 619 00:28:19,633 --> 00:28:22,400 it really has us all taking a step back 620 00:28:22,533 --> 00:28:24,667 and wondering what in the heck really was going on 621 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,500 way back when on this property. 622 00:28:26,633 --> 00:28:29,166 You know, this gives us a lot of things to think about. 623 00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:32,133 We really appreciate you coming out and talking with us. 624 00:28:32,266 --> 00:28:33,500 ALAN: Thank you so much. 625 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,600 TRAVIS: Hey, there's Jim. 626 00:28:40,767 --> 00:28:42,433 He's got somebody with him. 627 00:28:42,567 --> 00:28:44,633 -JIM: Hey, guys. How you doing? -Hey, Jim. 628 00:28:44,767 --> 00:28:47,433 I've got the lovely Hicks family here. 629 00:28:47,567 --> 00:28:49,133 Oh, hey. 630 00:28:49,266 --> 00:28:51,567 While we await the lab results that will hopefully help explain 631 00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:54,300 why the cow carcass on the ranch has gone untouched 632 00:28:54,433 --> 00:28:56,433 by predators for nearly a year, 633 00:28:56,567 --> 00:28:58,066 Jim Morse has brought the family 634 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,667 of Junior Hicks out to meet with us. 635 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,834 I would love for you to come on over and chat 636 00:29:01,967 --> 00:29:03,467 -and get better acquainted. -BRYANT: Okay. 637 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,533 -Yeah, I'd love to. Go to the headquarters? -Yes, sir. 638 00:29:05,667 --> 00:29:07,400 All right, we'll see you there in just a second. 639 00:29:07,533 --> 00:29:08,900 Thank you so much. Appreciate it. 640 00:29:09,033 --> 00:29:10,233 Great. Good to see you. 641 00:29:10,367 --> 00:29:12,333 Sadly, Junior recently passed away, 642 00:29:12,467 --> 00:29:16,000 but he was the preeminent researcher of UFO phenomena 643 00:29:16,133 --> 00:29:18,667 and cattle mutilations right here in the Uinta Basin 644 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,734 for more than 60 years. 645 00:29:20,867 --> 00:29:23,467 And it's our hope that Mr. Hicks' research 646 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,066 might help us going forward as we continue 647 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,300 to investigate the same phenomena. 648 00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:30,333 THOMAS: Junior Hicks was a science teacher here 649 00:29:30,467 --> 00:29:33,967 at one of the local schools and took it upon himself 650 00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:36,900 to start documenting all of these UFO sightings. 651 00:29:37,033 --> 00:29:38,867 Anytime there was any reports, 652 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,500 Junior would drive out there, interview 'em, 653 00:29:41,633 --> 00:29:44,467 collect any evidence that was left behind. 654 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,900 BRANDON: Shortly after purchasing the property, 655 00:29:47,033 --> 00:29:49,700 I had the opportunity to meet with Junior Hicks. 656 00:29:49,834 --> 00:29:52,867 One thing that really piqued my interest was 657 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,567 that Junior had experienced events 658 00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:59,000 on the ranch predating not only the Bigelow investigation, 659 00:29:59,133 --> 00:30:02,000 but also the Shermans. 660 00:30:02,133 --> 00:30:03,700 TOM: Welcome to Skinwalker Ranch. 661 00:30:03,834 --> 00:30:05,133 -Hi there. -Good to see you. Thank you. 662 00:30:05,266 --> 00:30:06,367 BRYANT: Come on up and have a seat. 663 00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:09,033 We loved, 664 00:30:09,166 --> 00:30:12,000 you know, your father and grandfather so much, and so, 665 00:30:12,133 --> 00:30:14,000 we're excited to have you guys here, too. 666 00:30:14,133 --> 00:30:16,800 Sounds amazing. I hate that I never got to meet him. 667 00:30:16,934 --> 00:30:19,667 He loved the area, and he was in... fascinated by the geology 668 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,166 and the terrain, and he just took it upon himself 669 00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:25,700 to, uh, investigate these... the sightings that people had. 670 00:30:25,834 --> 00:30:27,333 And there began to be a lot in the mid-1960s, 671 00:30:27,467 --> 00:30:29,667 and so, over the years, 672 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,900 he just kept a file of, uh, these sightings. 673 00:30:33,033 --> 00:30:35,233 TRAVIS: Well, I noticed that y'all brought a box of stuff. 674 00:30:35,367 --> 00:30:37,233 I was curious of what you might have brought to show us. 675 00:30:37,367 --> 00:30:39,133 -WARD: Sure. -McKAYLEE: You want to look at it? 676 00:30:39,266 --> 00:30:40,467 Something kind of interesting. 677 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,233 Jim-- he asked me to bring documents 678 00:30:43,367 --> 00:30:46,233 to be able to show to the team. 679 00:30:46,367 --> 00:30:48,800 There were a lot of things that I thought were fascinating, 680 00:30:48,934 --> 00:30:54,000 but this one I thought really gave a very broad perspective of 681 00:30:54,133 --> 00:30:56,333 all the data that had ever been recorded 682 00:30:56,467 --> 00:31:00,233 that my grandpa had researched, all in that small folder. 683 00:31:00,367 --> 00:31:03,033 TRAVIS: Yeah, he's even done some statistical analysis on 684 00:31:03,166 --> 00:31:06,867 all the things that people have said they'd seen, 685 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:13,100 where they are, how big they are, time of day. 686 00:31:13,233 --> 00:31:14,433 WARD: I mean, he just... he wanted 687 00:31:14,567 --> 00:31:15,934 to look at it from a-a scientific approach. 688 00:31:16,066 --> 00:31:17,300 TRAVIS: You know, I don't think 689 00:31:17,433 --> 00:31:19,934 anybody's ever shown data like that before. 690 00:31:20,066 --> 00:31:22,967 ERIK: What a meticulous study he has conducted 691 00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:24,700 for decades. 692 00:31:24,834 --> 00:31:27,467 Material I'd never seen before that attempts to 693 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,900 find some line of reasoning through all the data. 694 00:31:31,033 --> 00:31:34,200 This doesn't exist anywhere in a place where researchers 695 00:31:34,333 --> 00:31:36,767 can go look at it and then start really throwing out 696 00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:38,600 the crackpot stories versus the stories 697 00:31:38,734 --> 00:31:40,934 that, hey, there's something to this. 698 00:31:41,066 --> 00:31:42,700 This is impressive. 699 00:31:42,834 --> 00:31:44,700 TOM: So, maybe we should take all this data 700 00:31:44,834 --> 00:31:46,900 that Junior has done so well 701 00:31:47,033 --> 00:31:48,100 and put it in an actual database, 702 00:31:48,233 --> 00:31:50,567 and we'll be able to pull 703 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:52,033 and see things in different ways that, 704 00:31:52,166 --> 00:31:54,633 you know, maybe we don't even expect. 705 00:31:54,767 --> 00:31:56,367 BRYANT: Well, let me ask you this. 706 00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,033 Did any of you get the opportunity to go with him 707 00:31:59,166 --> 00:32:02,700 and-and meet with individuals or hear any of it firsthand? 708 00:32:02,834 --> 00:32:07,500 Uh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we-we... He-he brought us, 709 00:32:07,633 --> 00:32:09,533 and he brought a compass with him, and he says, 710 00:32:09,667 --> 00:32:11,166 "Hey, look at this, watch this." 711 00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:14,433 And we would watch the compass, and it would just go wonky. 712 00:32:14,567 --> 00:32:16,700 It was just... 713 00:32:16,834 --> 00:32:18,266 Nothing made sense on it. 714 00:32:19,767 --> 00:32:21,200 You're saying it was right here on the property? 715 00:32:21,333 --> 00:32:23,433 Yeah, yeah, right here, here in... at the ranch. 716 00:32:23,567 --> 00:32:25,800 -That's important. -And we looked at a cattle mutilation. 717 00:32:29,967 --> 00:32:32,967 What was missing or-or done to the cow? 718 00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:34,800 -It was not an animal. -Not a predator? 719 00:32:34,934 --> 00:32:37,533 -No. -And you witnessed this with your own eyes? 720 00:32:37,667 --> 00:32:39,433 -Yeah. -MCKAYLEE: I'm not exactly sure 721 00:32:39,567 --> 00:32:42,266 necessarily the origin of this photo. 722 00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:51,700 BRYANT: Well, let me ask you this. 723 00:32:51,834 --> 00:32:53,667 Did any of you get the opportunity 724 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,033 to go with him and-and meet with individuals 725 00:32:56,166 --> 00:32:58,166 or hear any of it firsthand? 726 00:32:58,300 --> 00:32:59,633 Uh, yeah. 727 00:32:59,767 --> 00:33:03,300 Yeah. We looked at a cattle mutilation. 728 00:33:03,433 --> 00:33:05,300 TRAVIS: We're meeting with the family 729 00:33:05,433 --> 00:33:06,900 of the late UFO researcher Junior Hicks, 730 00:33:07,033 --> 00:33:09,900 who spent more than 60 years 731 00:33:10,033 --> 00:33:12,900 documenting bizarre phenomena in the Uinta Basin. 732 00:33:13,033 --> 00:33:15,700 But what we didn't know was that members of his family 733 00:33:15,834 --> 00:33:19,600 had their own experiences right here on Skinwalker Ranch. 734 00:33:19,734 --> 00:33:21,567 TRAVIS: Without getting too graphic about it, 735 00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:22,533 I mean, what... what was missing 736 00:33:22,667 --> 00:33:25,600 or-or done to the cow? 737 00:33:25,734 --> 00:33:29,433 Uh, the eyes were-were kind of cut out, 738 00:33:29,567 --> 00:33:32,200 and the back end of the cow 739 00:33:32,333 --> 00:33:34,300 was very, I mean, very precise. 740 00:33:34,433 --> 00:33:36,800 -It was not an animal. -ERIK: Not a predator? 741 00:33:36,934 --> 00:33:39,200 No, no, not-not anything that we would know, 742 00:33:39,333 --> 00:33:41,133 like a wolf or a dog or anything. 743 00:33:41,266 --> 00:33:42,600 You know what I'm saying? Nothing natural. 744 00:33:42,734 --> 00:33:43,967 And you witnessed this with your own eyes? 745 00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:45,533 -Yeah. -That's amazing. 746 00:33:45,667 --> 00:33:48,066 TRAVIS: Although there have been cattle mutilations 747 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,367 going back through history for hundreds of years, 748 00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:53,266 it wasn't until around the 1970s 749 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,734 when enough of them were occurring 750 00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:57,767 that some people in the scientific community 751 00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:00,066 had to start taking it seriously. 752 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,000 In almost all of these cattle mutilation cases, 753 00:34:05,133 --> 00:34:07,033 they find no blood, 754 00:34:07,166 --> 00:34:10,433 and the cows have been mutilated in a way 755 00:34:10,567 --> 00:34:13,200 like it was done with surgical precision 756 00:34:13,333 --> 00:34:15,800 and surgical instruments instead of what you would think 757 00:34:15,934 --> 00:34:17,767 a predator would do, 758 00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:20,734 like a large cat that might tear it apart. 759 00:34:22,967 --> 00:34:24,800 ERIK: Well, everything we've discussed so far 760 00:34:24,934 --> 00:34:26,500 has only piqued my interest 761 00:34:26,633 --> 00:34:28,800 in what else is inside of that box. 762 00:34:30,066 --> 00:34:32,800 MCKAYLEE: So, I'm not exactly sure necessarily 763 00:34:32,934 --> 00:34:36,867 the origin of this photo, but I do know that this is 764 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,500 something connected to the ranch. 765 00:34:38,633 --> 00:34:40,200 -I think I recognize this photo. -Yeah. 766 00:34:40,333 --> 00:34:41,867 He's brought that out before and showed us. 767 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,834 These were rods 768 00:34:45,967 --> 00:34:48,767 that the Bigelow team found out here in this field. 769 00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:50,934 Uh, he actually had the opportunity, though, 770 00:34:51,066 --> 00:34:53,367 to take and try to identify... 771 00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:55,600 He tells the story of trying to cut it. 772 00:34:55,734 --> 00:34:58,867 They weren't able to cut them, they weren't able to melt them, 773 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,700 and Mr. Bigelow ended up taking them, and then... 774 00:35:01,834 --> 00:35:03,700 Junior said that he followed up with Mr. Bigelow, 775 00:35:03,834 --> 00:35:06,367 and Mr. Bigelow said, "Oh, they're nothing," 776 00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:08,166 and he said, "Well, can we have them back?" 777 00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:10,633 You know, "No." 778 00:35:11,834 --> 00:35:15,233 TRAVIS: In 1996, the Shermans sold Skinwalker Ranch 779 00:35:15,367 --> 00:35:18,500 to billionaire aerospace entrepreneur Robert Bigelow. 780 00:35:18,633 --> 00:35:21,033 He then assembled a team of scientists 781 00:35:21,166 --> 00:35:24,533 who spent the next two decades studying and investigating it 782 00:35:24,667 --> 00:35:27,500 as the National Institute for Discovery Science, 783 00:35:27,633 --> 00:35:28,900 or NIDS. 784 00:35:29,033 --> 00:35:31,533 Bigelow even received financial support 785 00:35:31,667 --> 00:35:33,166 from the federal government. 786 00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:36,000 Much of what they found here has been kept a secret, 787 00:35:36,133 --> 00:35:37,600 but rumors have leaked out 788 00:35:37,734 --> 00:35:40,233 about some pretty disturbing discoveries. 789 00:35:40,367 --> 00:35:42,367 BRANDON: Soon after taking possession 790 00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:46,400 and occupancy of the property, Robert Bigelow's NIDS team 791 00:35:46,533 --> 00:35:47,734 actually started seeing 792 00:35:47,867 --> 00:35:49,533 everything from cattle mutilations 793 00:35:49,667 --> 00:35:52,667 to UFOs to portals that would open up 794 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,834 above the old homesteads. 795 00:35:54,967 --> 00:35:57,500 And those events, I think, underscored 796 00:35:57,633 --> 00:36:00,633 how special this property was as a center of gravity 797 00:36:00,767 --> 00:36:03,567 for paranormal activity. 798 00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:06,100 THOMAS: They found one of those bars. 799 00:36:06,233 --> 00:36:08,600 Junior told of Mr. Bigelow having the team-- 800 00:36:08,734 --> 00:36:11,500 -were they on their hands and knees?-- -Yeah, hands and knees. 801 00:36:11,633 --> 00:36:13,266 ...hands and knees, crawling through this field here. 802 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,300 BRYANT: And I guess what it was explained to him 803 00:36:16,433 --> 00:36:19,934 was that they thought they were possibly used energy cells 804 00:36:20,066 --> 00:36:22,233 that were dropped by, you know, 805 00:36:22,367 --> 00:36:23,567 some of the UFO phenomena. 806 00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:25,100 Isn't that how you recall 807 00:36:25,233 --> 00:36:27,333 -the story? -That's how he described it. 808 00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:31,266 TRAVIS: Seeing these pictures that the Hicks family brought us 809 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,233 of these rods actually makes me think 810 00:36:33,367 --> 00:36:36,300 of the stories that you hear from the NIDS team 811 00:36:36,433 --> 00:36:38,166 from Bigelow Aerospace 812 00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:40,567 saying that they found metamaterials 813 00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:42,300 here on the ranch. 814 00:36:42,433 --> 00:36:45,600 A metamaterial is something that has specific properties 815 00:36:45,734 --> 00:36:49,400 that change the way light and energy passes through it, 816 00:36:49,533 --> 00:36:52,066 different than normal material. 817 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,934 It does make you wonder. 818 00:36:54,066 --> 00:36:56,100 If Bigelow's actually got them, 819 00:36:56,233 --> 00:36:58,233 and he's got them hidden away somewhere, 820 00:36:58,367 --> 00:37:00,567 could they really be related to UFOs? 821 00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:05,300 And will we find more of them somewhere on the ranch? 822 00:37:05,433 --> 00:37:08,200 BRYANT: Thank you so, so much. 823 00:37:08,333 --> 00:37:11,533 This has been an absolute pleasure, and we're so grateful 824 00:37:11,667 --> 00:37:13,233 that you've come spend some time with us. 825 00:37:13,367 --> 00:37:15,400 -This has been an absolute treat. -TRAVIS: I really appreciate it. 826 00:37:15,533 --> 00:37:16,567 Thank you very much. 827 00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:18,033 -Thank you very much. -Yeah, thank you. 828 00:37:18,166 --> 00:37:19,900 JANILEE: We appreciate coming out. 829 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,266 TOM: Hello, Dr. Taylor. 830 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,233 -Can you hear us? -Yeah, I can. Good morning. 831 00:37:34,367 --> 00:37:35,467 KANDUS: Good morning. 832 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,734 I want you to meet Dr. Travis, Taylor. 833 00:37:37,867 --> 00:37:40,633 -Nice to meet you, Dr. Taylor. -You, too. 834 00:37:40,767 --> 00:37:43,467 TRAVIS: Tom and Kandus and I are very eager to hear 835 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,967 Dr. Dean Taylor's analysis of the tissue sample he took 836 00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,100 from the cow carcass here on the ranch. 837 00:37:48,233 --> 00:37:51,600 As three people who are actually living here right now, 838 00:37:51,734 --> 00:37:54,867 day in and day out, we're more than simply curious 839 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,700 as to any explanation he can give us 840 00:37:57,834 --> 00:38:00,166 as to why no predators have touched this carcass 841 00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:02,133 in nearly a year. 842 00:38:02,266 --> 00:38:06,767 So, uh, I understand you have the results of this... 843 00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:11,200 -strange cow that we have on our south end of our property. -I do. 844 00:38:11,333 --> 00:38:13,200 With that animal being dead that long, there's... 845 00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:15,166 there is gonna be limited sampling. 846 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:18,166 So the things that became pertinent history to me 847 00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:23,133 were the fact that this animal was untouched by predators. 848 00:38:23,266 --> 00:38:25,500 So I found that unusual. 849 00:38:25,633 --> 00:38:28,300 I had a conversation with the lab, 850 00:38:28,433 --> 00:38:30,667 and he indicated that certain types 851 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,800 of poisons would cause predators 852 00:38:32,934 --> 00:38:35,533 to stay away from those carcasses. 853 00:38:35,667 --> 00:38:39,033 Luckily, those are the things that we could test for 854 00:38:39,166 --> 00:38:43,433 with these samples, so we tested this animal for arsenic, 855 00:38:43,567 --> 00:38:46,633 cadmium, lead and then selenium. 856 00:38:46,767 --> 00:38:49,033 So, when we ran these samples, though, 857 00:38:49,166 --> 00:38:52,700 all of these samples, they were negative. 858 00:38:52,834 --> 00:38:56,100 TRAVIS: The fact that all toxicology reports 859 00:38:56,233 --> 00:38:58,700 came back negative, it means this cow didn't die 860 00:38:58,834 --> 00:39:02,233 for any mundane reasons, like accidentally eating poison. 861 00:39:02,367 --> 00:39:04,166 So what killed it? 862 00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:06,533 Why other animals refuse to go near it 863 00:39:06,667 --> 00:39:08,533 still remains a big mystery. 864 00:39:08,667 --> 00:39:11,433 -This is, uh... -So, we're into the lungs. 865 00:39:11,567 --> 00:39:13,367 Lungs and heart. 866 00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,500 So, you're not seeing anything that shows disease or...? 867 00:39:16,633 --> 00:39:17,834 Just the lungs. 868 00:39:17,967 --> 00:39:20,667 TRAVIS: Last year, immediately after the cow died, 869 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,667 we had a vet perform a necropsy on it 870 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,567 to try and determine the cause of death. 871 00:39:24,700 --> 00:39:28,367 We got a lot of consolidation of the lungs right here. 872 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:32,867 Most of this black color is postmortem pooling of the blood. 873 00:39:33,967 --> 00:39:35,567 It's very, very possible 874 00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:37,934 that it is stress-induced pneumonia. 875 00:39:38,066 --> 00:39:40,233 Cows, when they get stressed, 876 00:39:40,367 --> 00:39:41,800 stress will bring on pneumonia. 877 00:39:43,633 --> 00:39:46,600 You know, we measured around the cow 878 00:39:46,734 --> 00:39:48,567 right after it died-- it had to be less than an hour 879 00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:50,266 -after it died. -Mm-hmm. 880 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,166 High electric field measurements 881 00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:54,400 and high magnetic field measurements. 882 00:39:54,533 --> 00:39:56,600 And that's one of the things we thought that it 883 00:39:56,734 --> 00:39:58,266 might have been electrical exposure, 884 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,000 uh, that could have, uh, 885 00:40:00,133 --> 00:40:02,567 caused whatever, you know, killed the cow. 886 00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:04,333 But have you ever seen anything like that, 887 00:40:04,467 --> 00:40:06,000 or heard weird stories out here 888 00:40:06,133 --> 00:40:09,333 in the Uinta Basin where, you know, people claim something 889 00:40:09,467 --> 00:40:12,266 rapidly killed their cows, or anything along that order? 890 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,333 Yeah, I've heard the stories, but I don't... 891 00:40:14,467 --> 00:40:16,533 I don't personally know, um, 892 00:40:16,667 --> 00:40:18,567 how that would affect the... the animal. 893 00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:21,533 With the electricity, they'd probably have, uh, 894 00:40:21,667 --> 00:40:24,233 petechia and microhemorrhages 895 00:40:24,367 --> 00:40:25,900 that you could see throughout the body. 896 00:40:26,033 --> 00:40:29,100 I asked the lab, also, about radiation, 897 00:40:29,233 --> 00:40:31,834 and they didn't feel like that would chase predators off 898 00:40:31,967 --> 00:40:34,533 by doing that. 899 00:40:34,667 --> 00:40:38,667 So, I've told clients my whole life that 900 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,533 sometimes a negative answer is still information. 901 00:40:41,667 --> 00:40:43,567 We still have ruled out things. 902 00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:46,433 -Yeah. -Even though in this particular case, 903 00:40:46,567 --> 00:40:48,934 given the length, the time that this animal was dead, 904 00:40:49,066 --> 00:40:53,834 uh, a definitive diagnosis why this animal died can't be given. 905 00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:56,367 TOM: Yeah, thanks, Dr. Taylor. 906 00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:59,166 We'll be in touch if anything happens out here. 907 00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:00,600 TRAVIS: All right, nice to meet you. 908 00:41:00,734 --> 00:41:02,633 -Thank you very much. -Yeah, you, too. 909 00:41:02,767 --> 00:41:04,834 -Have a good day. -KANDUS: See you later. -All right, bye-bye. 910 00:41:04,967 --> 00:41:06,734 KANDUS: It's still crazy that 911 00:41:06,867 --> 00:41:08,734 even this veterinary can't really say for sure 912 00:41:08,867 --> 00:41:10,633 what he thinks killed this cow 913 00:41:10,767 --> 00:41:13,667 -or why predators did not eat it. -Yeah, why it's still out there 914 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,633 and nothing's touching it, and there's, 915 00:41:15,767 --> 00:41:18,300 you know, dead deer carcasses that have just been gone, 916 00:41:18,433 --> 00:41:20,300 like, you know, instantly, almost. 917 00:41:20,433 --> 00:41:23,333 TOM: Well, we got a lot of information. 918 00:41:23,467 --> 00:41:25,166 Most of it is non-information, 919 00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:27,166 but that still tells us something. 920 00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:30,133 Actually, uh, knowing sometimes what the... 921 00:41:30,266 --> 00:41:31,800 the answer isn't 922 00:41:31,934 --> 00:41:33,834 at least helps us look for different 923 00:41:33,967 --> 00:41:36,133 -possible answers. -Right. 924 00:41:36,266 --> 00:41:39,600 TRAVIS: Another mystery to figure out. 925 00:41:39,734 --> 00:41:41,967 I was really skeptical when I heard 926 00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:44,633 all the crazy, bizarre stories that people told 927 00:41:44,767 --> 00:41:46,500 about Skinwalker Ranch. 928 00:41:46,633 --> 00:41:49,633 Now I have to admit that I have my own. 929 00:41:49,767 --> 00:41:53,133 I can't deny what Kaleb and I saw the other night. 930 00:41:53,266 --> 00:41:56,633 How is it connected to what happened to that cow? 931 00:41:56,767 --> 00:41:59,233 And what does the petroglyph have to do with it? 932 00:41:59,367 --> 00:42:03,333 Could it be a key clue that might help reveal the truth? 933 00:42:03,467 --> 00:42:05,500 THOMAS: You know, thing with petroglyphs 934 00:42:05,633 --> 00:42:07,467 is it's a big guess. 935 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,867 Nobody knows exactly what story those are telling. 936 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,900 But to find that on the ranch adds mystery to: 937 00:42:14,033 --> 00:42:16,233 who was it that put it there? 938 00:42:16,367 --> 00:42:17,834 What is it trying to tell us? 939 00:42:17,967 --> 00:42:20,066 What's the story that they were trying to leave? 940 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,000 BRANDON: One of the reasons why I acquired the ranch 941 00:42:23,133 --> 00:42:25,967 in the first place was due to the mystery, 942 00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:29,367 due to, you know, the nature of the claims 943 00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:31,800 that were associated with the property. 944 00:42:31,934 --> 00:42:33,800 I want to get some answers. 945 00:42:33,934 --> 00:42:35,800 I want to better understand 946 00:42:35,934 --> 00:42:38,333 what is causing the phenomenon 947 00:42:38,467 --> 00:42:41,734 that have not only occurred under our watch, 948 00:42:41,867 --> 00:42:44,900 but for decades if not millennia. 949 00:42:48,767 --> 00:42:50,700 -You got the trackers? -Got the trackers. 950 00:42:50,834 --> 00:42:52,734 Each cow we put on the place 951 00:42:52,867 --> 00:42:54,500 becomes a biosensor. 952 00:42:54,633 --> 00:42:56,467 Animals seem to have that sixth sense. 953 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,800 Of all these phenomena that happened when you were here, 954 00:42:59,934 --> 00:43:02,533 -what do you think it is? -It's a portal. 955 00:43:02,667 --> 00:43:04,233 Have you ever tried to open up a portal? 956 00:43:04,367 --> 00:43:07,066 That I haven't done, but we're gonna give it a shot tonight. 957 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,934 Ah, yeah! 958 00:43:09,066 --> 00:43:11,266 THOMAS: Oh, there's a light down in those trees. 959 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,033 Got eyes of something over here! 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