1 00:00:04,966 --> 00:00:08,400 (gentle music playing) 2 00:00:08,466 --> 00:00:10,933 John Wilson: Hey, New York. 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,066 One of the nicest things about living in a city 4 00:00:14,133 --> 00:00:17,366 is walking to the store to get something you need. 5 00:00:17,433 --> 00:00:19,900 You find the thing you want, 6 00:00:19,966 --> 00:00:21,533 pay for it, uh, 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,866 and take it straight home in your hand, 8 00:00:23,933 --> 00:00:26,266 usually, uh, without incident. 9 00:00:26,333 --> 00:00:28,533 -(horn honks) -John: Sorry. Sorry! 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,066 This should be the way you get 11 00:00:30,133 --> 00:00:31,666 almost everything in a big city, 12 00:00:31,733 --> 00:00:34,166 but there's something that feels special 13 00:00:34,233 --> 00:00:37,133 -about ordering things off the internet. -(electronic music playing) 14 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,933 You enter the search terms for what you want 15 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,566 and you're rewarded with a bunch of different options 16 00:00:42,633 --> 00:00:44,100 to choose from. 17 00:00:44,166 --> 00:00:46,066 You can spend all afternoon 18 00:00:46,133 --> 00:00:47,900 searching for that perfect object. 19 00:00:48,666 --> 00:00:51,166 Sometimes, it's practical stuff. 20 00:00:51,233 --> 00:00:53,866 Other times, it's for business. 21 00:00:53,933 --> 00:00:55,866 Or could just be for fun. 22 00:00:55,933 --> 00:00:59,100 They also recommend other stuff you might like, 23 00:00:59,166 --> 00:01:00,666 and you can end up learning things 24 00:01:00,733 --> 00:01:02,233 about your subconscious desires 25 00:01:02,300 --> 00:01:04,333 while you surf. 26 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,133 And when you finally find what you're looking for, 27 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,933 it's only a click away. 28 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,300 And this sets in motion 29 00:01:11,366 --> 00:01:13,466 a, a, a complex series of interactions 30 00:01:13,533 --> 00:01:15,666 -that you never have to see. -(mouse clicks) 31 00:01:15,733 --> 00:01:17,200 John: You like checking your computer 32 00:01:17,265 --> 00:01:18,833 and looking at the progress. 33 00:01:19,366 --> 00:01:21,200 And while you're waiting, 34 00:01:21,265 --> 00:01:23,733 time seems to take on a different quality. 35 00:01:23,833 --> 00:01:25,933 ♪ ♪ 36 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,200 Even the most mundane activity becomes exciting 37 00:01:29,265 --> 00:01:31,733 because your meaningless existence 38 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,100 has now been given shape, 39 00:01:34,166 --> 00:01:37,433 knowing that your delivery day will arrive at one point soon. 40 00:01:37,500 --> 00:01:39,833 (exciting music playing) 41 00:01:39,900 --> 00:01:41,265 Oh, wow. This thing is huge. 42 00:01:41,333 --> 00:01:44,100 And when you get it inside and open it up, 43 00:01:45,333 --> 00:01:47,666 for a brief moment, you feel complete. 44 00:01:48,933 --> 00:01:51,765 As if you finally have everything you need. 45 00:01:51,833 --> 00:01:55,566 (choir vocalizing) 46 00:01:57,533 --> 00:01:58,765 -Jesus. -(wallet snaps) 47 00:02:00,666 --> 00:02:04,500 John: But, once you put it next to everything else you own, 48 00:02:04,566 --> 00:02:07,500 the object quickly loses that power. 49 00:02:07,566 --> 00:02:08,633 (choir humming solemnly) 50 00:02:08,699 --> 00:02:12,633 John: And you're still not sure what's missing. 51 00:02:12,700 --> 00:02:14,533 So you get back on the computer 52 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,166 and begin the whole process again. 53 00:02:17,233 --> 00:02:19,033 (solemn humming continues) 54 00:02:19,100 --> 00:02:21,566 John: You've started ordering ceramic figurines 55 00:02:21,633 --> 00:02:24,133 of, uh, ET recently, 56 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,466 and you wanted to, uh, expand your collection. 57 00:02:28,533 --> 00:02:31,366 You found an interesting poster that, uh, 58 00:02:31,433 --> 00:02:33,966 seems like it might look nice behind them, 59 00:02:34,033 --> 00:02:37,066 so you placed an order and waited for it to arrive. 60 00:02:38,166 --> 00:02:41,100 You got a notification saying it had been delivered, 61 00:02:41,166 --> 00:02:44,733 but when you got home, it just wasn't there. 62 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,433 (melancholy music playing) 63 00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:49,466 And it didn't show up the next day either. 64 00:02:49,533 --> 00:02:51,133 ♪ ♪ 65 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,133 So, you go over to the, uh, shipping center 66 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,166 in Maspeth, 67 00:02:56,233 --> 00:02:59,233 but they didn't really know 68 00:02:59,300 --> 00:03:00,300 anything about it. 69 00:03:00,366 --> 00:03:01,600 (John speaking) 70 00:03:01,700 --> 00:03:03,266 Attendant: No, no, no, no, no. 71 00:03:03,333 --> 00:03:04,266 -John: Okay. -Attendant: Yeah, buddy. 72 00:03:04,333 --> 00:03:05,900 John: Thank you. 73 00:03:05,966 --> 00:03:08,266 So, you go to someone else 74 00:03:08,333 --> 00:03:11,500 that might be a bit more helpful. 75 00:03:13,166 --> 00:03:15,900 Well, it shows that there's a lot of negativity 76 00:03:15,966 --> 00:03:18,400 surrounding this situation and, as you can see here, 77 00:03:18,466 --> 00:03:20,933 -you have the death card. -John: What is...? 78 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,500 Wait, you really pulled the death card 79 00:03:22,566 --> 00:03:25,700 -when you, you started to think about the package? -Psychic: Yeah. 80 00:03:26,333 --> 00:03:29,200 And you have, uh, the devil, which represents evil. 81 00:03:29,833 --> 00:03:32,100 -John: Wait, r-really? -Psychic: It means that whatever was in 82 00:03:32,166 --> 00:03:35,766 -the contents of the package was very negative. -John: Okay. 83 00:03:35,866 --> 00:03:39,066 The person that you are destined to be with 84 00:03:39,133 --> 00:03:41,866 is very much ready for a-- 85 00:03:41,933 --> 00:03:43,766 I'm gonna say... 86 00:03:43,833 --> 00:03:45,266 -a commitment. -John: Mm. 87 00:03:45,333 --> 00:03:48,400 And it says that you have commitment issues. 88 00:03:48,466 --> 00:03:49,733 John: Oh, wow. 89 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,933 Psychic: I'm not gonna say that you're a loner, 90 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,633 but it's kind of like you have some commitment issues. 91 00:03:56,433 --> 00:03:59,133 -John: Yeah... -The cards actually show you have a lot of commitment issues. 92 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,833 -John: O-- (laughs) Okay. -(psychic scoffs) 93 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,700 John: You also saw that the eBay seller, 94 00:04:05,766 --> 00:04:08,266 uh, lived within driving distance of you, 95 00:04:08,333 --> 00:04:10,566 and when you, when you went to meet up with him, 96 00:04:10,633 --> 00:04:12,833 he told you that it might have been stolen 97 00:04:12,900 --> 00:04:14,566 because of how valuable it was. 98 00:04:14,633 --> 00:04:16,200 The Michael Jackson memorabilia market 99 00:04:16,266 --> 00:04:18,065 is hotter than ever, 100 00:04:18,132 --> 00:04:20,100 um, whether it's eBay or Facebook groups. 101 00:04:20,166 --> 00:04:21,632 You know, the shoes, it looks just, you know, 102 00:04:21,700 --> 00:04:23,000 like he's doing his little dance moves. 103 00:04:23,066 --> 00:04:24,033 -John: Wow. -Seller: Oops! 104 00:04:24,100 --> 00:04:25,666 John: What is a 3D screamer? 105 00:04:25,733 --> 00:04:27,866 Seller: So, these are actually, these are actually extremely rare. 106 00:04:27,933 --> 00:04:30,133 -I forgot to mention these. These are actually very rare. -(knocking) 107 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,433 Is that someone knocking? 108 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:33,200 -Oh, um, oh, I just got some... -John: Oh... 109 00:04:33,266 --> 00:04:34,400 -It-- -John: Oh, that just came right now? 110 00:04:34,466 --> 00:04:36,600 Just came in. J-Just delivered, hot off the press. 111 00:04:36,666 --> 00:04:38,133 John: Oh, is that why the doorbell rang? 112 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,466 Yes, that was the doorbell. (giggles) 113 00:04:41,266 --> 00:04:43,000 John: Losing something important to you 114 00:04:43,100 --> 00:04:45,500 is one of the worst feelings you can have. 115 00:04:46,332 --> 00:04:50,400 Because even if you know it's, it's gone forever, 116 00:04:50,466 --> 00:04:52,600 you'll never really stop looking for it. 117 00:04:52,666 --> 00:04:53,866 ♪ ♪ 118 00:04:53,933 --> 00:04:55,633 But, if you know how to keep 119 00:04:55,700 --> 00:04:58,200 a close eye on your, your shipment, 120 00:04:58,266 --> 00:05:01,400 you may never lose track of it ever again. 121 00:05:01,466 --> 00:05:05,100 So, instead of wondering where all your stuff went 122 00:05:05,166 --> 00:05:09,600 or feeling like your package is never gonna come, 123 00:05:09,666 --> 00:05:13,566 stick with me and I'll show you how to finally figure out 124 00:05:13,666 --> 00:05:15,966 the right way to just 125 00:05:16,066 --> 00:05:19,100 keep track of all your packages. 126 00:05:21,666 --> 00:05:24,600 Now, when you're growing up, the first package you order 127 00:05:24,666 --> 00:05:27,700 is usually a package of pizza, 128 00:05:27,766 --> 00:05:30,033 which reliably makes it into your home, 129 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:32,000 uh, without incident. 130 00:05:32,066 --> 00:05:35,600 And there has to be a reason it, it works so well. 131 00:05:35,666 --> 00:05:39,166 Has a pizza ever been stolen during its, uh, delivery? 132 00:05:39,233 --> 00:05:41,332 Um... Not through-- 133 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,233 Not when my guys are delivering it. 134 00:05:43,300 --> 00:05:45,066 You gotta know how to dispatch. 135 00:05:45,133 --> 00:05:47,033 Owner: This is what we call a round robin. 136 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:49,832 Pizza Employee: Bleecker, Central, and Covert right now. 137 00:05:49,933 --> 00:05:52,266 Want the driver to get back as fast as possible. 138 00:05:52,332 --> 00:05:55,033 We want the food to get there as fast as possible. 139 00:05:55,100 --> 00:05:56,733 And hot. 140 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,066 -John: Can I tag along? -No problem, man. 141 00:05:59,133 --> 00:06:00,866 So now, I'm gonna have to go back to the fridge 142 00:06:00,933 --> 00:06:02,266 and grab some sodas. 143 00:06:02,333 --> 00:06:04,200 (pizza employee speaking) 144 00:06:04,700 --> 00:06:06,866 (delivery driver speaking) 145 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,466 This is our biggest enemy right here. 146 00:06:10,533 --> 00:06:12,300 John: Oh, shit. You got a ticket. 147 00:06:12,366 --> 00:06:14,333 Delivery Driver: Yeah, a little Joe and John's road trip. 148 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,200 ♪ ♪ 149 00:06:18,266 --> 00:06:20,500 So all they ordered was a small pie. 150 00:06:20,566 --> 00:06:22,100 I'm just gonna bring it in, collect the money, 151 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,900 -and then we're on our way to the next one. -John: Oh, okay. 152 00:06:24,966 --> 00:06:27,566 -How are you, sir? It's gonna be $11. -John: Hey... 153 00:06:27,633 --> 00:06:29,433 ♪ ♪ 154 00:06:29,500 --> 00:06:31,233 -(doorbell dinging) -John: We're making a... 155 00:06:31,300 --> 00:06:32,800 Delivery Driver: Thank you so much, man. 156 00:06:32,866 --> 00:06:35,133 And we're back on to the next one. That easy. -John: Alright. That was-- 157 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,066 -That was really quick. -Yeah, nice and simple. 158 00:06:37,133 --> 00:06:39,166 John: It seems like handing a package 159 00:06:39,233 --> 00:06:40,766 directly to the recipient 160 00:06:40,832 --> 00:06:43,700 is the most foolproof way to deliver anything. 161 00:06:43,766 --> 00:06:44,832 You guys having a party? 162 00:06:44,900 --> 00:06:46,100 -Huh? -John: You guys having a party? 163 00:06:46,166 --> 00:06:48,533 -Yeah, I have some friends over. (laughs) -John: Okay, cool. 164 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,933 -(dog barking) -John: Have fun. 165 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,700 I try to keep my guard up at all times, 166 00:06:53,766 --> 00:06:56,433 but it's a pretty calm neighborhood, you know? 167 00:06:56,533 --> 00:06:59,066 It's nice to see people interacting with one another. 168 00:07:00,333 --> 00:07:02,000 John: Yeah... 169 00:07:02,066 --> 00:07:04,466 (bag crinkling) 170 00:07:04,533 --> 00:07:07,433 Alright, and, uh, it's just right in here. 171 00:07:07,500 --> 00:07:09,700 -Resident: (indistinct) -How are you, man? 172 00:07:09,766 --> 00:07:11,200 -Thank you. -John: Hey, you got a second? 173 00:07:11,266 --> 00:07:12,300 Delivery Driver: Appreciate it. 174 00:07:12,366 --> 00:07:13,866 John: So, y-you order from Joe and John's a lot? 175 00:07:13,933 --> 00:07:15,000 Every so often. 176 00:07:15,066 --> 00:07:18,033 -At least once a month type of thing. -John: Oh, cool. 177 00:07:18,100 --> 00:07:20,500 (resident speaking) 178 00:07:22,233 --> 00:07:23,200 John: Oh, yeah? 179 00:07:23,266 --> 00:07:25,366 Is it, is it stressful with a newborn? 180 00:07:25,433 --> 00:07:27,700 Yeah. She was born prematurely, 181 00:07:27,766 --> 00:07:30,332 -so we don't have time to cook. -John: Oh, I'm sorry. 182 00:07:30,433 --> 00:07:32,000 Uh, on our way back home, 183 00:07:32,066 --> 00:07:33,400 we always talk to each other like, 184 00:07:33,466 --> 00:07:35,000 "What are we gonna eat today?" 185 00:07:35,066 --> 00:07:37,900 And we decided to go with Joe and John's. 186 00:07:37,966 --> 00:07:40,033 This is her, her section of the fridge. 187 00:07:40,100 --> 00:07:42,166 -We've always got bags and bags of milk. -John: Oh, okay. 188 00:07:42,233 --> 00:07:45,033 -That's all the breast milk. -And bottles of milk. 189 00:07:45,100 --> 00:07:47,766 I grew up without a father figure 190 00:07:47,832 --> 00:07:49,766 in my life throughout my whole life. 191 00:07:49,832 --> 00:07:52,066 So, I've always been scared to have a child. 192 00:07:52,133 --> 00:07:54,233 So, I have no reference 193 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:56,900 on what is a good dad or a bad dad. 194 00:07:56,966 --> 00:07:59,200 But, I'm here now, and I'm acknowledging that 195 00:07:59,266 --> 00:08:00,833 you know, it is what it is, 196 00:08:00,900 --> 00:08:02,366 and I just have to be there for her, 197 00:08:02,466 --> 00:08:05,433 provide for her, and just my life is for her now. 198 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:07,866 John: I think all that, all that energy you put out 199 00:08:07,933 --> 00:08:09,933 -comes back to you in a good way, you know? -Definitely. 200 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,000 Especially with cooking. And I feel like, again, 201 00:08:12,066 --> 00:08:13,300 going back to Joe and John's, 202 00:08:13,366 --> 00:08:14,833 I feel like that's with their input as well. 203 00:08:14,900 --> 00:08:17,832 The ingredients and everything is just always, 204 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:21,533 always done the way it was done the first time you tried it. 205 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,066 -John: Yeah, well-- -I feel like consistency is key, 206 00:08:24,133 --> 00:08:26,000 definitely, when it comes to food. 207 00:08:26,966 --> 00:08:28,600 John: In a perfect world, 208 00:08:28,666 --> 00:08:31,900 every package would be treated like a pizza. 209 00:08:31,966 --> 00:08:34,665 But unfortunately, 210 00:08:34,732 --> 00:08:36,299 that's still not the case. 211 00:08:38,133 --> 00:08:41,466 Supposedly, there are roughly 90,000 packages 212 00:08:41,533 --> 00:08:43,165 that go missing every single day 213 00:08:43,232 --> 00:08:44,566 in New York City. 214 00:08:45,900 --> 00:08:48,165 Whenever you get a, a package delivered, 215 00:08:48,233 --> 00:08:49,566 the mail person may not have a way 216 00:08:49,633 --> 00:08:52,300 of getting into your building, 217 00:08:52,366 --> 00:08:57,165 and a crucial link in the delivery process is broken. 218 00:08:57,233 --> 00:09:00,433 At that point, the mail carrier will make a judgment call 219 00:09:00,500 --> 00:09:03,766 about where the most discreet place is for the package to go. 220 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,400 They usually put it in the stairwell 221 00:09:06,466 --> 00:09:09,366 so, uh, people can't see it from the street, 222 00:09:09,466 --> 00:09:13,200 or use some other exterior feature to camouflage it. 223 00:09:14,300 --> 00:09:18,066 People also install these strange boxes for packages 224 00:09:18,133 --> 00:09:22,066 that have the same technology, uh, that campers use 225 00:09:22,133 --> 00:09:24,966 to keep food away from bears. 226 00:09:25,033 --> 00:09:28,033 But, if there isn't a safe space, 227 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:30,933 New Yorkers will post messages to delivery people 228 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,800 on their doors to make sure 229 00:09:33,866 --> 00:09:36,566 their packages aren't left outside. 230 00:09:36,633 --> 00:09:38,366 Other people use security cameras 231 00:09:38,433 --> 00:09:40,033 to try to dissuade thieves 232 00:09:40,100 --> 00:09:43,200 by printing out photos of the bandit to shame them. 233 00:09:43,966 --> 00:09:47,300 But you feel like if these signs actually worked, 234 00:09:47,366 --> 00:09:51,066 you wouldn't see as many of them as you do. 235 00:09:51,133 --> 00:09:54,100 And if you keep your camera on for long enough, 236 00:09:54,165 --> 00:09:56,366 you might discover something even more terrifying 237 00:09:56,433 --> 00:09:58,466 than package theft. 238 00:09:58,533 --> 00:10:00,866 Kevin: My neighbors had some, uh, flowers 239 00:10:00,933 --> 00:10:02,000 stolen off of their porch, 240 00:10:02,066 --> 00:10:04,166 so they asked me to check my doorbell camera. 241 00:10:04,233 --> 00:10:06,933 In the process, I come across these two women 242 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,233 who, uh, take notice of my open windows. 243 00:10:10,300 --> 00:10:11,433 (indistinct chatter) 244 00:10:11,500 --> 00:10:14,366 (Woman 1 speaking) 245 00:10:19,966 --> 00:10:22,233 (Woman 2 speaking) 246 00:10:22,566 --> 00:10:24,366 (Woman 1 speaking) 247 00:10:24,533 --> 00:10:26,966 (Woman 2 speaking) 248 00:10:27,033 --> 00:10:29,066 (Woman 1 speaking) 249 00:10:29,700 --> 00:10:31,733 (Woman 2 speaking) 250 00:10:31,866 --> 00:10:34,700 I was doing a lotta renovations. I was kicking up a lotta dust. 251 00:10:34,766 --> 00:10:36,333 (Woman 2 speaking) 252 00:10:36,533 --> 00:10:38,066 Can't be dusting it every day. 253 00:10:38,266 --> 00:10:40,033 (Woman 2 speaking) 254 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:42,566 -John: Uh, do you have photos of the way it used to look like? -Kevin: Yeah. 255 00:10:43,033 --> 00:10:45,766 John: Okay, so that's... Yeah, I could see. 256 00:10:45,833 --> 00:10:47,233 Kevin: They had a point. 257 00:10:47,300 --> 00:10:49,866 John: Were you in a relationship when you did this? 258 00:10:49,933 --> 00:10:51,900 Kevin: (laughs) No, I wasn't. 259 00:10:51,966 --> 00:10:53,900 You got to commit sometimes, 260 00:10:53,966 --> 00:10:56,533 even if it's, uh, the wrong decision. 261 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:57,500 John: Yeah. 262 00:10:57,566 --> 00:11:00,533 So this is where we have our packages dragged in. 263 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,166 -So normally, there's, like, a big pile of them right here. -John: Uh-huh. 264 00:11:04,233 --> 00:11:06,766 And then that's the camera that we installed. 265 00:11:06,833 --> 00:11:08,133 -You know. -John: Oh, okay. 266 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,266 So, they're supposed to leave them right there. 267 00:11:10,333 --> 00:11:13,300 Resident: Oh! Here's my keto cereal! (laughs) 268 00:11:13,366 --> 00:11:14,333 John: Oh, cool. 269 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,466 On more than one occasion, 270 00:11:15,533 --> 00:11:17,233 I've walked into the unlocked door 271 00:11:17,300 --> 00:11:20,033 to find someone actively stealing our packages, 272 00:11:20,100 --> 00:11:22,666 which is always, like, very nerve-wracking. 273 00:11:22,766 --> 00:11:25,200 Um, and then, one time, 274 00:11:25,266 --> 00:11:27,900 my super that we were paying to bring our packages in 275 00:11:27,966 --> 00:11:30,533 actually was stealing our packages for quite a while. 276 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:31,933 He calls me "Whole Foods," 277 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,566 because he says that I look like a bitch 278 00:11:33,633 --> 00:11:36,700 -who would shop at Whole Foods. -(both laugh) 279 00:11:36,766 --> 00:11:38,733 -I need to get a knife. -John: Okay. 280 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,200 Resident: It does make me really nervous. 281 00:11:40,266 --> 00:11:41,933 I don't know if this is like a shareable story, 282 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,200 but I recently was freezing my eggs, 283 00:11:44,266 --> 00:11:45,300 and had to have, like, 284 00:11:45,366 --> 00:11:47,665 very expensive medications dropped off here. 285 00:11:47,733 --> 00:11:50,333 -John: Uh-huh. -Um, and it was, like, absolutely terrifying. 286 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,466 Like, I sat outside waiting for them 287 00:11:52,533 --> 00:11:53,766 because I was so nervous 288 00:11:53,833 --> 00:11:55,466 that they were gonna just be taken and discarded. 289 00:11:55,566 --> 00:11:59,333 -So, it doesn't seem like they care, quite frankly. -John: Wait. 290 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,833 So, where are they kept? I guess... 291 00:12:01,900 --> 00:12:03,533 Um. that's actually a good question. I don't know. 292 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,200 I froze them at a clinic in Hoboken, 293 00:12:05,266 --> 00:12:06,400 and, I-- they have-- 294 00:12:06,466 --> 00:12:07,933 I'm assuming they have them somewhere, 295 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,733 -like a warehouse somewhere. -John: Really? 296 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,400 (laughs) I don't know, a warehouse somewhere. 297 00:12:11,466 --> 00:12:12,733 I don't know where they keep them, 298 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,766 which is maybe something I should look into. 299 00:12:14,833 --> 00:12:17,333 John: It seems like biological material 300 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,366 requires the most care when shipping it. 301 00:12:20,433 --> 00:12:23,766 It needs to be transported very quickly 302 00:12:23,833 --> 00:12:25,866 with almost no room for error. 303 00:12:27,033 --> 00:12:29,700 You never really checked that box on your license 304 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,500 to, uh, make an anatomical gift, 305 00:12:33,566 --> 00:12:38,300 but maybe if we studied organ transport a bit more closely, 306 00:12:38,366 --> 00:12:39,966 we could have a better idea 307 00:12:40,033 --> 00:12:43,433 of how to secure, uh, other package deliveries. 308 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:46,600 So, you asked your team to set up an interview 309 00:12:46,665 --> 00:12:49,433 with an organ shipping company. 310 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:52,566 Unfortunately, something got lost in translation, 311 00:12:52,633 --> 00:12:55,133 uh, but you decided to 312 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,566 go through with the interview anyway. 313 00:12:56,633 --> 00:12:58,966 So, who are you-- Uh... 314 00:12:59,033 --> 00:13:01,200 Like, what are some of the-- 315 00:13:01,300 --> 00:13:04,200 Like, can it be dangerous to ship an organ? 316 00:13:04,266 --> 00:13:05,533 Well, 317 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,133 we haven't had any problems with our shippers at all. 318 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,966 John: Was this organ, uh, donated? 319 00:13:11,833 --> 00:13:13,300 No. No. 320 00:13:13,366 --> 00:13:16,400 (playing lively tune) 321 00:13:19,333 --> 00:13:22,400 And they used to call me-- They call me "Vince the Prince." 322 00:13:22,466 --> 00:13:24,033 -John: Oh, yeah? -Yeah, that's my nickname. 323 00:13:24,100 --> 00:13:26,133 -John: Oh, cool. -Hang on one second. 324 00:13:28,666 --> 00:13:30,600 Say, "Hey, I heard they call you Vince the Prince. 325 00:13:30,666 --> 00:13:32,800 -Where did that come from?" -John: Okay. 326 00:13:32,866 --> 00:13:34,933 -Or you could say, I-- -(organ motor whirring) 327 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,900 -John: So, why do they call you Vince the Prince? -Stop. 328 00:13:37,966 --> 00:13:40,000 -Not ready to answer yet. -John: Oh, okay. 329 00:13:40,066 --> 00:13:41,966 I heard your nickname in the music industry 330 00:13:42,033 --> 00:13:44,500 is Vince the Prince? Why do they call you that? 331 00:13:45,766 --> 00:13:47,533 I guess, you know, it, it rhymes. 332 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,766 Vince the Prince, and, uh, it's... 333 00:13:49,833 --> 00:13:53,033 -it's been with me for over 20 years. -John: Okay. 334 00:13:53,100 --> 00:13:55,165 (John speaking) 335 00:13:55,233 --> 00:13:56,165 Vince: Yeah. 336 00:13:56,300 --> 00:13:58,200 John: The first thing you do to ship an organ 337 00:13:58,266 --> 00:14:00,900 is, uh, just make sure that everything's on tight. 338 00:14:00,966 --> 00:14:03,166 (clears throat) And then, 339 00:14:03,233 --> 00:14:06,133 you carefully assemble a shipping crate around it. 340 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:07,700 Does it-- Can you play it? 341 00:14:07,766 --> 00:14:10,533 -I really don't play. -John: Oh, really? 342 00:14:10,633 --> 00:14:13,800 -Are you a "Star Trek" fan? -Bill: Kinda, yes. 343 00:14:13,866 --> 00:14:17,000 I mean, going to other planets... 344 00:14:17,066 --> 00:14:19,366 in other, uh, solar systems, that's... 345 00:14:19,433 --> 00:14:22,300 that's quite a task to do. 346 00:14:22,366 --> 00:14:25,833 I do hope to see the day w-when they land people on Mars. 347 00:14:25,900 --> 00:14:29,166 -John: Mm. -I hope to see that before I leave this earth. 348 00:14:29,233 --> 00:14:31,700 John: Yeah, that would be cool. Me, too. 349 00:14:31,766 --> 00:14:34,800 (mellow music playing) 350 00:14:37,066 --> 00:14:40,466 And then, they load it carefully into a, a box truck. 351 00:14:40,533 --> 00:14:42,833 (lift motor whirring) 352 00:14:42,933 --> 00:14:45,266 John: And make sure it's secure 353 00:14:45,333 --> 00:14:48,333 for its long drive to Arizona. 354 00:14:51,066 --> 00:14:53,200 John: Then you spend the next three days 355 00:14:53,266 --> 00:14:54,833 driving across the country, 356 00:14:54,900 --> 00:14:56,966 where you might see some other people, 357 00:14:57,033 --> 00:14:59,333 uh, shipping organs in their own way. 358 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,633 On the organ trail. 359 00:15:01,700 --> 00:15:03,466 Driving the organ trail. 360 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,800 When it finally gets there, 361 00:15:05,866 --> 00:15:09,300 they unload it in front of the, the organ store 362 00:15:09,366 --> 00:15:11,833 and, uh, and roll it inside. 363 00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:13,633 (crate rattling) 364 00:15:13,700 --> 00:15:15,933 -And put it up against the back wall. -John: Okay. 365 00:15:16,033 --> 00:15:18,133 -It'll be the safest that, that way. -John: Okay. 366 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,600 I, I still don't understand the concept of the film. 367 00:15:21,666 --> 00:15:24,366 -John: It's kind of like-- -Is it, is it just... 368 00:15:24,433 --> 00:15:27,333 -weird, weird organ stuff or is it-- -John: No. It's-- 369 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,933 It's not really about organs. 370 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,833 And after you're done with that, 371 00:15:31,900 --> 00:15:33,833 you can go over to Organ Stop Pizza, 372 00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:36,033 which actually has one of the biggest organs 373 00:15:36,100 --> 00:15:37,600 in-in the whole country. 374 00:15:37,665 --> 00:15:38,933 Wow. 375 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,066 -Have you been here before? -Oh, yeah. 376 00:15:41,133 --> 00:15:42,665 -John: Yeah? You like it? -Yeah. 377 00:15:42,733 --> 00:15:44,100 John: I came from New York. 378 00:15:44,165 --> 00:15:46,266 Customer: Oh, I'm from Lake Erie. 379 00:15:46,333 --> 00:15:48,200 -John: What brought you here? -A woman. 380 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:50,066 -John: Oh, her? -No. 381 00:15:50,165 --> 00:15:51,533 -John: Oh. -A different one. 382 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,200 -John: Oh, okay. -But I ended up marrying her. 383 00:15:53,266 --> 00:15:55,333 (laughs) 384 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,966 John: Are you, are you an organ donor at all? 385 00:15:58,033 --> 00:16:00,100 -No. -John: Alright. 386 00:16:00,166 --> 00:16:02,200 Are you an organ donor at all? 387 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,566 Am I an organ donor? No. 388 00:16:05,633 --> 00:16:08,066 Well, you see, I... 389 00:16:08,133 --> 00:16:10,666 I, I'm with Alcor. You know what that is? 390 00:16:10,733 --> 00:16:13,933 -John: No, I'm not from here. -You don't-- Oh, you don't know anything about that. 391 00:16:15,033 --> 00:16:16,933 John: Well, w-what is Alcor? 392 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,600 (laughs) 393 00:16:18,666 --> 00:16:21,233 What is Alcor? Well, 394 00:16:21,333 --> 00:16:24,533 it's a company that... 395 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,433 that people make arrangements with who want to do this. 396 00:16:27,500 --> 00:16:29,266 They wanna get their, 397 00:16:29,333 --> 00:16:33,466 their remains put in liquid nitrogen after death, 398 00:16:33,533 --> 00:16:35,900 after legal death, okay? 399 00:16:35,966 --> 00:16:38,700 Because they're, they're keeping them that way 400 00:16:38,766 --> 00:16:42,165 in hopes that someday, they will find some technology 401 00:16:42,233 --> 00:16:44,933 that can revive them. 402 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,300 -Okay? -John: (laughs) So, like-- 403 00:16:47,366 --> 00:16:48,833 Wow. So... 404 00:16:48,900 --> 00:16:50,533 -(elaborate organ playing) -John: Well, here, maybe we can 405 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:51,866 sit down for a second here. 406 00:16:51,933 --> 00:16:53,466 Would-- Do you wanna...? 407 00:16:53,533 --> 00:16:56,333 (loud, lively organ playing) 408 00:16:56,433 --> 00:16:58,033 John: Oh, my goodness. 409 00:16:58,100 --> 00:17:00,033 So, where is Alcor's headquarters? 410 00:17:00,100 --> 00:17:02,833 It's in Scottsdale. 411 00:17:02,900 --> 00:17:05,599 It's near the airport in Scottsdale. 412 00:17:05,665 --> 00:17:08,700 (organ continues playing) 413 00:17:11,266 --> 00:17:13,200 John: You'd heard about people freezing themselves 414 00:17:13,266 --> 00:17:15,733 in, in movies and stuff before, 415 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,000 but you never met anyone who, 416 00:17:18,066 --> 00:17:19,733 who was actually signed up for it. 417 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,833 (organ continues loudly) 418 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,400 John: Do you wanna go somewhere quieter? 419 00:17:26,465 --> 00:17:29,566 -So, is this like... -Mike: It's a medic alert bracelet. 420 00:17:29,666 --> 00:17:33,533 "Do CPR while cooling with ice. 421 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,266 No embalming. No autopsy." That's what it says. 422 00:17:37,333 --> 00:17:39,533 John: A-And medics know what to do when they see this? 423 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:40,933 Mike: I hope they would. 424 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,166 John: You really wanted some more details, 425 00:17:43,233 --> 00:17:46,400 so after some tense negotiation, 426 00:17:46,466 --> 00:17:48,900 he agreed to let you come back to his house. 427 00:17:48,966 --> 00:17:51,500 You want to go to my house? Is that what you're saying? 428 00:17:51,566 --> 00:17:53,733 -John: Yeah. Is that okay? -That's okay. 429 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,833 (gentle music playing) 430 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,366 -I like this skylight. -Mike: Yeah. 431 00:18:03,466 --> 00:18:05,833 -(light clicks) -Lots of books and tapes. 432 00:18:05,900 --> 00:18:08,633 -John: Oh, my God. What are all these tapes? -Mike: Well, 433 00:18:08,700 --> 00:18:11,466 -something I never deal with. -John: Wow. 434 00:18:11,533 --> 00:18:13,466 So, do you, like, do you work for Alcor? 435 00:18:13,533 --> 00:18:15,666 I, uh, monitor the... 436 00:18:15,733 --> 00:18:19,133 the dewars that hold the, the people that are frozen. 437 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,200 Every day, I check on those, 438 00:18:21,266 --> 00:18:24,566 and, uh, I make sure that there's liquid nitrogen. 439 00:18:24,633 --> 00:18:27,400 John: Do you, like, do you freeze the whole body or just the brain? 440 00:18:27,466 --> 00:18:30,433 It depends on the type of arrangement you have with Alcor. 441 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:32,400 You can arrange it either way. 442 00:18:32,466 --> 00:18:34,300 John: W-What are the arrangements that you have with Alcor? 443 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,033 I have head only. 444 00:18:36,133 --> 00:18:37,300 John: You-- Oh, so only your head 445 00:18:37,366 --> 00:18:39,066 -is going to be preserved? -That's right. 446 00:18:39,133 --> 00:18:42,433 John: Ever see the movie "Vanilla Sky" with, like, Tom Cruise and-- 447 00:18:42,500 --> 00:18:44,533 It's about cryopreservation. 448 00:18:45,733 --> 00:18:48,800 Okay, is that the one that has the matrix in it? 449 00:18:48,866 --> 00:18:51,400 -John: No, I think that's "The Matrix." -Okay. 450 00:18:51,466 --> 00:18:53,800 John: He told you that the 50th anniversary event 451 00:18:53,866 --> 00:18:55,966 was happening soon, 452 00:18:56,033 --> 00:18:59,366 but it wasn't gonna be for another week. 453 00:18:59,433 --> 00:19:04,100 So you had to kill a few days in Scottsdale, 454 00:19:04,166 --> 00:19:08,166 uh, until it began. 455 00:19:08,933 --> 00:19:11,900 Crowd (singing): ♪ Sweet Caroline ♪ 456 00:19:11,966 --> 00:19:13,800 ♪ Bah, bah, bah ♪ 457 00:19:13,866 --> 00:19:17,000 ♪ Good times never seemed so good ♪ 458 00:19:17,066 --> 00:19:20,100 (singing bowl singing) 459 00:19:23,133 --> 00:19:25,100 -(tone fading out) -John: And what, and what do you do that for? 460 00:19:25,166 --> 00:19:26,700 So we use these for meditation 461 00:19:26,766 --> 00:19:29,733 -or to balance out your chakras. -John: Oh, okay, cool. 462 00:19:30,466 --> 00:19:33,233 It was finally time for Alcor's 50th anniversary party... 463 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:34,366 ♪ ♪ 464 00:19:34,433 --> 00:19:36,866 which was taking place at a resort down the street 465 00:19:36,933 --> 00:19:39,333 from their main headquarters. 466 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,433 And when you walked in, 467 00:19:41,533 --> 00:19:45,366 it seemed like everything was already in full swing. 468 00:19:45,433 --> 00:19:48,133 This is a chicken potato croquette 469 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,700 with a smoked tomato aioli. Please enjoy. 470 00:19:50,766 --> 00:19:52,333 (crowd chattering) 471 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,733 John: There are a lot more people there than you expected, 472 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,600 and you wanted to know what motivated them to, 473 00:19:59,666 --> 00:20:02,033 to get themselves frozen. 474 00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:04,566 If you see the future as something good, 475 00:20:04,633 --> 00:20:07,366 -you wanna have, uh, you wanna be there. -John: Yeah. 476 00:20:07,433 --> 00:20:10,400 -You're signed up? -Member 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 477 00:20:10,466 --> 00:20:13,233 -He takes care of my dad. -John: Oh, your dad's already in? 478 00:20:13,300 --> 00:20:14,933 -Yeah. Yep. -John: Oh, really? 479 00:20:15,033 --> 00:20:16,633 -Yep. -John: Wow. 480 00:20:16,733 --> 00:20:18,500 Of course, you would wanna resurrect your parents 481 00:20:18,566 --> 00:20:20,900 if they were dead, and you had the ability to do that, 482 00:20:20,966 --> 00:20:22,733 and that would go all the way back 483 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,900 to the first humans. So... 484 00:20:24,966 --> 00:20:27,833 But there are reasons to resurrect any-- somebody. 485 00:20:27,900 --> 00:20:30,333 -It's not-- You didn't have any offspring at all. -Yeah. 486 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,500 -Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's just-- Yeah. -It's like-- 487 00:20:33,566 --> 00:20:36,266 -You wanna resurrect everybody. -It's the Good Samaritan-- 488 00:20:36,333 --> 00:20:38,333 -Yeah, the Good Samaritan. Yep. -Ar-argument. 489 00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:44,800 Yeah. Exactly. 490 00:20:44,866 --> 00:20:47,133 -Are you doing head or body? Or both? -Both. 491 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,633 -Me, too... Same. -I want my body. (laughs) 492 00:20:49,733 --> 00:20:52,666 I actually agree with the philosophy of, uh, 493 00:20:52,733 --> 00:20:55,633 "First one in, last one out." 494 00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:56,933 John: And what does that mean? 495 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,000 So, the last person to get cryopreserved 496 00:21:00,066 --> 00:21:02,566 will have the most perfect cryopreservation, 497 00:21:02,633 --> 00:21:05,666 so it's easiest to bring back the last person 498 00:21:05,733 --> 00:21:07,966 that got cryopreserved, while the ones that were done 499 00:21:08,033 --> 00:21:11,766 in the '60s and '70s would have sustained more damage 500 00:21:11,833 --> 00:21:13,966 during the cryopreservation process. 501 00:21:14,033 --> 00:21:16,400 John: Do you have kids or are you ever planning on having them? 502 00:21:16,466 --> 00:21:19,133 Uh, they're two and four, but my son is very much on board 503 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,233 with, uh, having us frozen because, uh, my father died, 504 00:21:22,333 --> 00:21:24,766 and he, he doesn't, uh, he doesn't accept that, 505 00:21:24,833 --> 00:21:27,000 and I don't accept that either, so... 506 00:21:27,066 --> 00:21:30,066 Even if you come back, something could happen to your body, 507 00:21:30,133 --> 00:21:32,766 and one body is not enough. 508 00:21:32,833 --> 00:21:35,866 I think we need alternative bodies... 509 00:21:35,933 --> 00:21:38,866 switch bodies, have a replacement body. 510 00:21:38,933 --> 00:21:39,933 Um... 511 00:21:40,633 --> 00:21:42,333 Very much like a wardrobe of bodies. 512 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,900 Further, we won't be just existing in this biosphere, 513 00:21:45,966 --> 00:21:47,133 as lovely as it is. 514 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,700 We'll also be in cybersphere, 515 00:21:49,766 --> 00:21:52,000 and, um, outer space. 516 00:21:52,066 --> 00:21:53,733 So we'll need different bodies 517 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,166 functioning in different environments. 518 00:21:55,266 --> 00:21:56,966 John: Are you looking to get in? 519 00:21:57,066 --> 00:21:59,133 -Member 2: Oh, he's not a cryonicist. -John: Oh, okay, okay. 520 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,900 What, um, what brought you here in-individually, I guess? 521 00:22:07,633 --> 00:22:10,933 John: Oh! (laughs) Okay. Sorry. I didn't know. 522 00:22:11,766 --> 00:22:14,233 Can I see the facility? 523 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:16,100 Um, when legal death is declared, 524 00:22:16,166 --> 00:22:19,133 we move the patient from the hospital bed into the ice bath. 525 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,500 (ice rattling) 526 00:22:20,566 --> 00:22:22,933 Cover them with ice. Uh, I think the record 527 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,300 from the time when legal death was declared 528 00:22:25,366 --> 00:22:27,466 to moving the patient, putting ice on them, 529 00:22:27,533 --> 00:22:28,833 starting circulation, respiration, 530 00:22:28,933 --> 00:22:31,600 giving the medications, and driving them back to Alcor, 531 00:22:31,666 --> 00:22:33,400 was done in about 35 minutes. 532 00:22:33,466 --> 00:22:35,866 John: Wow. It's like as fast as getting a pizza delivered. 533 00:22:35,933 --> 00:22:37,533 Yeah. Yeah. 534 00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:40,700 So this whole unit is secure. 535 00:22:40,766 --> 00:22:42,633 We have metal plates in the walls, 536 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:45,300 uh, in case someone tries to drive a vehicle into the wall or something. 537 00:22:45,366 --> 00:22:47,066 Who knows what will happen over the years? 538 00:22:47,133 --> 00:22:48,866 -(loud bang) -We can't get in there. 539 00:22:48,933 --> 00:22:50,366 In each one of these Bigfoot dewars, 540 00:22:50,433 --> 00:22:52,000 we can get four whole-body patients 541 00:22:52,066 --> 00:22:53,500 basically around the outside, 542 00:22:53,566 --> 00:22:56,166 and then in the center column, we can get five neuro patients. 543 00:22:56,233 --> 00:22:57,433 And here, you can see the containers 544 00:22:57,500 --> 00:22:59,133 that neuro patients are secured in. 545 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,866 -John: Those are heads? -Max More: Yeah. 546 00:23:00,933 --> 00:23:04,533 -John: Wow. Can we go in at all? -No. (chuckles) 547 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,166 John: The Alcor facility was buzzing with activity. 548 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,900 John: They also had a wall of notable members 549 00:23:15,966 --> 00:23:18,066 who were currently frozen there. 550 00:23:18,133 --> 00:23:21,000 Alcor Employee 1: She is the youngest cryo patient. 551 00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:23,166 John: She's three? 552 00:23:23,233 --> 00:23:24,533 Yeah, two or three. 553 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,833 John: And they're also currently in the process 554 00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:28,866 of signing new people up. 555 00:23:28,933 --> 00:23:32,766 Alcor Employee 2: We need two witnesses to sign these to show 556 00:23:32,833 --> 00:23:35,100 that the person who's becoming a member 557 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,833 gives their consent and willingly knowing 558 00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:40,500 that their body is given to Alcor. 559 00:23:40,566 --> 00:23:41,766 John: Well, when did you sign up? 560 00:23:41,833 --> 00:23:43,466 Alcor Employee 1: I'm actually not registered yet. 561 00:23:43,533 --> 00:23:47,100 I'm, like so many people, a cryo-crastinator. 562 00:23:47,166 --> 00:23:50,766 I had actually learned about cryonics when I was 12, 563 00:23:50,833 --> 00:23:52,666 when Ted Williams, 564 00:23:52,733 --> 00:23:54,866 the baseball player, was suspended. 565 00:23:54,933 --> 00:23:58,566 And, of course, I'd seen Han Solo in carbonite. 566 00:23:58,633 --> 00:24:00,766 But, until Ted Williams, I don't think I knew 567 00:24:00,833 --> 00:24:03,833 that cryonics was a real practice. 568 00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:05,800 John: And in the afternoon, 569 00:24:05,866 --> 00:24:07,866 they had a bunch of different speakers lined up 570 00:24:07,933 --> 00:24:10,100 to touch on different aspects 571 00:24:10,166 --> 00:24:13,666 of the cryopreservation process. 572 00:24:13,733 --> 00:24:17,266 It seems like they've gotten really good at freezing people, 573 00:24:17,333 --> 00:24:21,133 but as you kept watching, it became clear 574 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,233 that they didn't actually know how to unfreeze anyone yet. 575 00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:28,166 So, most of the presentations were based on 576 00:24:28,233 --> 00:24:31,233 really elaborate hypothetical scenarios. 577 00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:34,033 (on microphone) So, basically, assuming cryonics works, 578 00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:37,466 is it possible for you to be revived and wealthy? 579 00:24:37,533 --> 00:24:39,700 John: The way you can pay for cryopreservation 580 00:24:39,766 --> 00:24:42,733 is by taking out a life insurance policy 581 00:24:42,833 --> 00:24:45,433 and, uh, making Alcor the beneficiary, 582 00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:46,700 uh, when you die. 583 00:24:47,633 --> 00:24:50,333 Which, ostensibly, will pay for your storage 584 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,100 and maintenance, uh, indefinitely. 585 00:24:53,166 --> 00:24:54,833 Hear me loud and clear. 586 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:58,466 You do not have to be rich to do cryonics. 587 00:24:58,533 --> 00:25:02,000 You do not have to be rich to do a cryonics trust. 588 00:25:02,066 --> 00:25:05,100 God, I got, personally, 11 policies 589 00:25:05,166 --> 00:25:07,633 with over three million bucks of life insurance. 590 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:10,300 A guy, this gentleman over here was asking, "Is that legal?" 591 00:25:10,366 --> 00:25:11,733 I said, "Yeah, it is." 592 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,000 John: And because they didn't know how long it would take 593 00:25:14,066 --> 00:25:16,600 for the science to evolve, 594 00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:19,233 they couldn't predict what sort of culture shock 595 00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:20,700 they would experience. 596 00:25:20,766 --> 00:25:22,300 The people, your friends and family 597 00:25:22,366 --> 00:25:24,500 that you are comfortable with, 598 00:25:24,566 --> 00:25:25,533 that you know and love, 599 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,066 are gone in the blink of an eye. 600 00:25:27,133 --> 00:25:29,600 If you all will look to your right and your left 601 00:25:29,666 --> 00:25:31,700 and the people in front of you and behind you, 602 00:25:31,766 --> 00:25:34,800 this is gonna be your community. 603 00:25:35,433 --> 00:25:38,066 And we're gonna need to rely and lean on each other. 604 00:25:38,133 --> 00:25:40,600 Yesterday, Max referenced "The Matrix," 605 00:25:40,666 --> 00:25:44,200 in which Neo says, "I know kung fu." 606 00:25:44,266 --> 00:25:46,133 And that's what I always think about 607 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,100 when, uh, I think about rehabilitation, 608 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,000 rapid acquisition of knowledge, 609 00:25:52,066 --> 00:25:55,933 and possibly rapidly updating your, uh, psychology. 610 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,866 So maybe rehabilitation could be much easier than we think. 611 00:26:01,466 --> 00:26:03,666 Speaker (on microphone): Was there a question there or is that a...? 612 00:26:03,733 --> 00:26:05,200 Alcor Employee 1: Oh, it's just a comment. 613 00:26:05,266 --> 00:26:07,800 John: It's scary to think how advanced technology 614 00:26:07,866 --> 00:26:11,666 would become by, by the time you were reanimated. 615 00:26:11,733 --> 00:26:15,233 And even though they planned to spend hundreds of years 616 00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:18,566 in a refrigerator, some people still didn't seem 617 00:26:18,633 --> 00:26:21,233 fully prepared for, for that either. 618 00:26:24,166 --> 00:26:26,200 Okay. Alright. 619 00:26:26,966 --> 00:26:29,033 I've had people complain it's too warm. 620 00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:29,966 Okay, but we have-- 621 00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:30,966 Yes. 622 00:26:33,333 --> 00:26:35,000 Huh. Okay. 623 00:26:35,066 --> 00:26:38,066 John: The thought of life extension sounded interesting, 624 00:26:38,133 --> 00:26:40,766 but you still weren't sure what you would do 625 00:26:40,833 --> 00:26:43,633 with all that extra time. 626 00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:47,800 Would the people of the future have fun stuff for us to do? 627 00:26:47,866 --> 00:26:52,633 Or would we just be a burden to them? 628 00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:55,900 All these people seem so confident that they'd be able 629 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,233 to fill an eternity with activities, 630 00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:02,500 but you barely have enough ideas 631 00:27:02,566 --> 00:27:06,066 to keep yourself busy as it is. 632 00:27:06,133 --> 00:27:10,066 And maybe the cryonicists have more productive ways 633 00:27:10,133 --> 00:27:13,166 to pass the time they have now. 634 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,466 So, you went up to an Alcor member's hotel room, 635 00:27:17,533 --> 00:27:19,433 uh, to check out a project they've been working on. 636 00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:21,566 Chad: This is a "Bachelor" spreadsheet, actually, 637 00:27:21,633 --> 00:27:23,500 for season 22 that I've been going through. 638 00:27:23,566 --> 00:27:25,833 All the players, every play that they made 639 00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:27,500 during the, the season. 640 00:27:27,566 --> 00:27:29,566 John: Wow. How many hours do you think 641 00:27:29,666 --> 00:27:31,733 you've spent watching "The Bachelor" in total? 642 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,200 Oh, God. I mean, when we were doing the hyper-binge, 643 00:27:35,266 --> 00:27:37,800 it was 10 hours a day, every day, 644 00:27:37,866 --> 00:27:40,633 with maybe we'd take a day off every other week, 645 00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:43,400 uh, for, like, two and a half, almost three months. 646 00:27:43,466 --> 00:27:46,166 We've got thousands of pages of, of typed notes 647 00:27:46,233 --> 00:27:49,833 that are meticulous records of everything that's ever happened 648 00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:51,833 in almost every frame of the show. 649 00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:54,800 The first impression rose, which we call the "FIMP," 650 00:27:54,866 --> 00:27:56,700 you take the numerical value of each rose 651 00:27:56,766 --> 00:27:58,366 they had over the course of the season, 652 00:27:58,433 --> 00:27:59,466 and you divide it, 653 00:27:59,533 --> 00:28:02,333 and that average number is their rose quotient. 654 00:28:02,433 --> 00:28:05,933 Week five, we had a one-on-one that Lauren Burnham got. 655 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,700 There was, uh, one kiss, an awkward edit, 656 00:28:08,766 --> 00:28:09,966 she played walls, 657 00:28:10,033 --> 00:28:12,600 Arie played a PTC, that his ex had a miscarriage. 658 00:28:12,666 --> 00:28:14,800 -John: What, what's a P-- Uh, what's a PTC? -Chad: Oh, sorry. 659 00:28:14,866 --> 00:28:16,600 PTC is "personal tragedy card," 660 00:28:16,666 --> 00:28:19,666 is when a player discusses some past trauma or tragedy, 661 00:28:19,733 --> 00:28:21,600 and then that very usually will get them a rose 662 00:28:21,666 --> 00:28:23,066 if they're on a one-on date or a group date. 663 00:28:23,133 --> 00:28:25,966 Uh, IFI is "injury, fear, or illness." 664 00:28:26,033 --> 00:28:28,333 Tierra LiCausi is probably the most well-known 665 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,866 IFI player of all time. She fell down the stairs, 666 00:28:30,933 --> 00:28:33,700 causing Sean Lowe to spend an extra amount of time with her 667 00:28:33,766 --> 00:28:35,566 instead of taking AshLee Frazier on the date. 668 00:28:35,666 --> 00:28:37,433 -At least momentarily. -John: Think I remember that. 669 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:38,833 Chad: Yeah, there's always that idea of, like, 670 00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:41,233 why am I devoting so much time and effort toward this thing 671 00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:43,633 that I actually think is bad, you know? 672 00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:45,966 ♪ ♪ 673 00:28:47,933 --> 00:28:51,500 John: Maybe it's dangerous to have a lot of extra time 674 00:28:51,566 --> 00:28:55,266 if you're not even sure how to spend it now. 675 00:28:56,633 --> 00:28:59,600 And maybe it would be better to devote your time 676 00:28:59,666 --> 00:29:02,500 to someone else's life 677 00:29:02,566 --> 00:29:06,366 instead of worrying about your own. 678 00:29:06,433 --> 00:29:08,333 But, there's still a part of you 679 00:29:08,433 --> 00:29:12,266 that isn't really sure about that either. 680 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,833 As the convention was winding down, 681 00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:18,433 they had a couple final presentations 682 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,666 and sent everyone off with a, a cover of 683 00:29:20,733 --> 00:29:22,700 a popular Beatles song. 684 00:29:22,766 --> 00:29:25,233 (singing) ♪ Last night I told my wife ♪ 685 00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:27,433 ♪ When I'm dead ♪ 686 00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:29,600 (instrumental music of "Please Please Me" by The Beatles playing) 687 00:29:29,666 --> 00:29:34,133 ♪ Please bury me except for my head ♪ 688 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,866 ♪ ♪ 689 00:29:35,933 --> 00:29:38,733 ♪ Come on, come on ♪ 690 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,733 -♪ Come on! Come on! ♪ -Audience: Come on! 691 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,300 ♪ Please freeze me, oh yeah ♪ 692 00:29:45,366 --> 00:29:47,600 ♪ And I'll freeze you ♪ 693 00:29:47,666 --> 00:29:51,066 ♪ Oh yeah, and I'll freeze you ♪ 694 00:29:51,133 --> 00:29:53,900 ♪ Oh yeah, and I'll freeze you ♪ 695 00:29:53,966 --> 00:29:55,766 -(song ends) -(applause, cheering) 696 00:29:55,833 --> 00:29:58,366 Performer (on microphone): Alright! Thank you! 697 00:29:58,433 --> 00:30:00,566 John: After everything you saw that weekend, 698 00:30:00,633 --> 00:30:03,966 you still weren't sure how to feel. 699 00:30:04,033 --> 00:30:06,833 If you honestly believed cryopreservation 700 00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:10,133 was gonna work, then it might genuinely make you 701 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,533 a happier person while you're alive, 702 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,366 because you'll get a second chance 703 00:30:15,466 --> 00:30:17,533 to do everything over one day. 704 00:30:18,566 --> 00:30:21,300 But, if the science never really gets to that point, 705 00:30:21,366 --> 00:30:24,400 then all your expectations 706 00:30:24,466 --> 00:30:26,933 will just disappear, 707 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,133 and you'll have spent your whole life 708 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,700 just preparing for another one. 709 00:30:33,966 --> 00:30:36,266 You're about to head back to New York, 710 00:30:36,333 --> 00:30:38,766 but you went back to Mike's house before you left 711 00:30:38,833 --> 00:30:41,333 because you still had 712 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,033 one or two things on your mind. 713 00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:45,700 Do you, do you think it's selfish 714 00:30:45,766 --> 00:30:48,500 -to, to not have children? -Say that again? 715 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,300 John: Like, to choose to not start a family? 716 00:30:50,366 --> 00:30:53,600 You could look at it that way. I don't. 717 00:30:53,666 --> 00:30:56,366 But I've been told it's selfish to, 718 00:30:56,433 --> 00:30:57,933 try to be a cryonicist, 719 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,200 -to want more life-- -John: Hm. 720 00:31:00,266 --> 00:31:01,600 Like we want, you know? 721 00:31:01,666 --> 00:31:04,166 John: I feel like some people's way of life extension 722 00:31:04,233 --> 00:31:05,833 is, is through children. 723 00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:08,700 Well, I'm 75 years old, 724 00:31:08,766 --> 00:31:12,000 and, you know, I'm not gonna have a family. 725 00:31:12,066 --> 00:31:14,433 But actually, I, I was just never much oriented 726 00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:16,366 toward that, really. 727 00:31:16,433 --> 00:31:19,233 I just wanted to live a, a celibate life, 728 00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:21,433 and pretty much felt that way 729 00:31:21,533 --> 00:31:25,133 ever since early adolescence, and... 730 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,300 -Uh, you know, what can I say? -John: So... 731 00:31:28,366 --> 00:31:31,133 Like, what happened in your adolescence? 732 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,233 (Mike laughs) 733 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,433 Alright. Well, you could consider it 734 00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:38,800 to be acts of self-surgery. 735 00:31:38,866 --> 00:31:42,966 And, admittedly, that was very peculiar. 736 00:31:43,033 --> 00:31:46,133 But I felt like I just wanted to be-- 737 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,800 You know, the sex drive was a bothersome thing. 738 00:31:48,866 --> 00:31:50,900 It was a-- It was a real burden for me, 739 00:31:50,966 --> 00:31:53,233 and I wanted to do something, 740 00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:55,166 cut it down or whatever. 741 00:31:55,266 --> 00:31:59,066 So, I found that after self-castration 742 00:31:59,133 --> 00:32:02,800 that really I still had a lot of sexuality 743 00:32:02,866 --> 00:32:04,833 that I didn't want, and I thought, 744 00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:08,500 well, if I could just cut some nerves in the penis, 745 00:32:08,566 --> 00:32:11,066 maybe that would relieve that. 746 00:32:11,133 --> 00:32:14,566 And I tried doing that and I'll have to say this, 747 00:32:14,633 --> 00:32:17,933 that I don't know just exactly what side effect that had, 748 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,800 but it was really like a kick in the head. 749 00:32:21,866 --> 00:32:25,100 It was much worse, really, than the other thing. 750 00:32:25,166 --> 00:32:28,866 From, uh, from 1966 to '69, 751 00:32:28,966 --> 00:32:32,000 those were the years that I mainly did this thing. 752 00:32:32,666 --> 00:32:36,466 -And, uh... -John: You were removing your testicles in secret? 753 00:32:37,133 --> 00:32:38,433 Right. 754 00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:40,666 John: Why did you feel like you needed to keep it a secret? 755 00:32:40,733 --> 00:32:44,400 It just-- People just think that's crazy, you know? 756 00:32:44,466 --> 00:32:45,733 They just do. 757 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,333 Just talk to anybody on the street and say, 758 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,000 "Hey, I know a guy 759 00:32:50,066 --> 00:32:52,366 "that cut off his own testicles with a razor blade. 760 00:32:52,433 --> 00:32:54,100 What do you think of that?" 761 00:32:54,166 --> 00:32:55,466 "It's crazy!" 762 00:32:56,533 --> 00:32:58,500 John: Would you like to have genitals on your body 763 00:32:58,566 --> 00:33:00,933 -when you're reanimated? -No, I wouldn't. 764 00:33:01,033 --> 00:33:04,433 Actually, I wrote something many years ago, saying, 765 00:33:05,433 --> 00:33:07,900 "Don't put it on." (laughs) 766 00:33:07,966 --> 00:33:11,133 "Don't, don't put those things back on me, okay?" 767 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,133 -John: Hm. -I think that's still in my paperwork. 768 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,666 I'm an avid genealogist. 769 00:33:16,733 --> 00:33:20,066 I've, I've researched my ancestry, 770 00:33:20,133 --> 00:33:22,900 and it's a weird feeling, 'cause I think those people struggled 771 00:33:22,966 --> 00:33:26,333 so hard to have a family, 772 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,666 and look at what I did. 773 00:33:27,733 --> 00:33:30,333 What would they think if they knew about me? 774 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,433 But, I, I think, well... 775 00:33:33,466 --> 00:33:35,800 you know, I hope you-- 776 00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:39,333 I hope we-- I-- We can get you guys back someday. 777 00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:44,533 (gentle music playing) 778 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,466 John: Your time in Arizona had finally come to an end. 779 00:33:49,533 --> 00:33:53,066 But, it's nice to know that if you ever wanted to come back, 780 00:33:54,466 --> 00:33:57,566 you could always stay for a lot longer. 781 00:33:57,633 --> 00:34:02,233 ♪ ♪ 782 00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:03,366 When you got back to New York, 783 00:34:03,433 --> 00:34:06,400 you went to go visit your parents' house, 784 00:34:06,466 --> 00:34:10,900 and they had just received an interesting piece of mail. 785 00:34:10,966 --> 00:34:12,266 (clears throat) 786 00:34:12,333 --> 00:34:15,966 It was a vacation postcard from my aunt 787 00:34:16,033 --> 00:34:18,565 who had died 20 years ago. 788 00:34:20,166 --> 00:34:22,132 It must've gotten lost behind 789 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,699 one of the sorting machines for decades. 790 00:34:24,766 --> 00:34:27,565 And although the post office 791 00:34:27,632 --> 00:34:30,900 didn't know if the recipients would still be here, 792 00:34:30,966 --> 00:34:34,766 they just decided to send it anyway. 793 00:34:36,233 --> 00:34:41,065 And even though you know your aunt is gone, 794 00:34:41,132 --> 00:34:45,166 it kinda made it feel like she was still around. 795 00:34:47,266 --> 00:34:50,233 So, even if you're not sure 796 00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:52,900 when your trip is gonna end, 797 00:34:52,966 --> 00:34:56,233 you're just gonna have to trust that you're in good hands 798 00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:58,300 along the way. 799 00:34:58,366 --> 00:35:01,633 And hope that the children of tomorrow 800 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:05,233 will still want you around. 801 00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:09,133 (soft brass music playing) 802 00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:22,333 So, maybe it's okay if your package takes a while 803 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,433 to get where it's going, 804 00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:29,566 because it's better than not having any package at all. 805 00:35:29,633 --> 00:35:32,933 And if you're lucky enough to wake up in New York 806 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,566 in a few thousand years, 807 00:35:35,633 --> 00:35:38,166 it's nice to know that some things will never change. 808 00:35:39,533 --> 00:35:42,933 Your neighbor will always be too loud. 809 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,533 The bathroom will always be closed. 810 00:35:46,766 --> 00:35:49,500 You'll never be sure who you can trust. 811 00:35:50,833 --> 00:35:54,700 And New York will never know when to stop growing. 812 00:35:54,766 --> 00:35:57,066 (band crescendos) 813 00:35:57,133 --> 00:35:59,433 Because, at the end of the day, 814 00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:03,766 the city is a reflection of who we are, 815 00:36:03,833 --> 00:36:08,366 and it will always be both our healer and oppressor. 816 00:36:08,433 --> 00:36:11,533 But, as long as the first one in 817 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,700 is always the last one out, 818 00:36:14,766 --> 00:36:17,300 you might just have enough time here 819 00:36:17,366 --> 00:36:19,666 -to, to learn a thing or two. -(band stops) 820 00:36:19,733 --> 00:36:22,800 (triumphant brass band resumes) 821 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,800 (band plays dramatic finish) 822 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,533 This is John Wilson. 823 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,033 Thank you so much for watching my movies. 824 00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:36,133 ("Goodbye" by Labi Siffre playing) 825 00:36:42,133 --> 00:36:45,566 ♪ Goodbye ♪ 826 00:36:46,433 --> 00:36:49,866 ♪ Goodbye ♪ 827 00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:54,133 ♪ Good... ♪ 828 00:36:55,533 --> 00:36:59,533 ♪ Bye... ♪ 829 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,833 (song fades out)