1 00:00:10,473 --> 00:00:15,243 (mysterious music) 2 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:22,980 (beep) 3 00:00:22,976 --> 00:00:27,076 - After Dale is arrested, we're gonna need you to testify 4 00:00:27,175 --> 00:00:28,795 about the meetings between him and you. 5 00:00:28,895 --> 00:00:30,115 - Testify? 6 00:00:30,215 --> 00:00:31,915 I can't testify. 7 00:00:32,015 --> 00:00:33,195 In open court? 8 00:00:33,295 --> 00:00:34,875 - We'll de-register you as informer 3838. 9 00:00:34,975 --> 00:00:36,435 - No, no, no. 10 00:00:36,535 --> 00:00:39,195 - And we'll refer to you only as witness F. 11 00:00:39,295 --> 00:00:41,035 - They'll figure it out. 12 00:00:41,135 --> 00:00:43,225 When they hear what witness F says, 13 00:00:43,334 --> 00:00:44,554 everyone will know it's me. 14 00:00:44,654 --> 00:00:47,154 - Even if they do, no one's gonna care. 15 00:00:47,254 --> 00:00:48,354 You're turning on a cop. 16 00:00:48,454 --> 00:00:50,754 - I won't testify at the committal. 17 00:00:50,854 --> 00:00:52,854 I'm not doing it. 18 00:00:55,134 --> 00:00:57,894 (dramatic music) 19 00:01:01,453 --> 00:01:04,913 - [Nicola Voiceover] I promise you, on my life, 20 00:01:05,013 --> 00:01:06,913 I am not and would not work 21 00:01:07,013 --> 00:01:09,613 for the jacks, you know that. 22 00:01:11,173 --> 00:01:12,113 - Talk. 23 00:01:12,213 --> 00:01:14,673 (gun shots) 24 00:01:14,772 --> 00:01:17,532 (dramatic music) 25 00:01:20,532 --> 00:01:22,532 - One. 26 00:01:27,972 --> 00:01:29,972 Two. 27 00:01:34,411 --> 00:01:36,411 Three. 28 00:01:43,011 --> 00:01:45,011 - [Carl] Talk. 29 00:01:45,691 --> 00:01:48,451 (dramatic music) 30 00:02:00,890 --> 00:02:02,910 - Are you gonna to do it? 31 00:02:03,009 --> 00:02:06,149 - If you make me give evidence, when people find out it's me 32 00:02:06,249 --> 00:02:08,829 all my cases will come under scrutiny. 33 00:02:08,929 --> 00:02:10,549 Dozens of crims- - Nicola. 34 00:02:10,649 --> 00:02:12,989 - Carl Williams will go free. 35 00:02:13,089 --> 00:02:16,369 You'll be gone and I'll be dead, a bullet in my head. 36 00:02:17,689 --> 00:02:19,229 - We'll protect you. 37 00:02:19,328 --> 00:02:22,368 - Yeah, just like you're protected the Hodson's? 38 00:02:24,328 --> 00:02:26,328 - So are you gonna do it? 39 00:02:28,048 --> 00:02:30,648 (upbeat music) 40 00:02:35,207 --> 00:02:36,307 - [Nicola Voiceover] Tony Mokbel was found 41 00:02:36,407 --> 00:02:38,407 hiding out in Greece. 42 00:02:39,127 --> 00:02:42,067 The Victorian police had put up a million dollar bounty 43 00:02:42,167 --> 00:02:44,287 for information leading to his arrest. 44 00:02:45,447 --> 00:02:46,547 Tony was finally arrested 45 00:02:46,647 --> 00:02:49,927 by the Greek police in Athens in 2007. 46 00:02:51,286 --> 00:02:54,826 In 2008, they put him on a taxpayer funded 47 00:02:54,926 --> 00:02:58,206 Gulf stream jet back to Melbourne to face the music. 48 00:03:03,686 --> 00:03:06,246 (upbeat music) 49 00:03:08,765 --> 00:03:10,465 - [News Reporter] After an exhaustive joint operation 50 00:03:10,565 --> 00:03:12,825 by federal and Victorian Police, 51 00:03:12,925 --> 00:03:14,385 despite his attempt to thwart 52 00:03:14,485 --> 00:03:17,785 extradition back to Australia, Mr. Mokbel is due to appear 53 00:03:17,885 --> 00:03:20,285 before the Melbourne courts in the coming weeks. 54 00:03:23,964 --> 00:03:26,644 (knock on door) 55 00:03:30,564 --> 00:03:33,484 (mysterious music) 56 00:03:39,963 --> 00:03:42,643 (knock on door) 57 00:03:51,163 --> 00:03:53,163 - Hello? 58 00:04:06,082 --> 00:04:08,082 Hello. 59 00:04:09,122 --> 00:04:11,882 (dramatic music) 60 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:33,320 - [Nicola Voiceover] I'd like to say 61 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,400 you get used to this type of thing. 62 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,840 (phone rings) 63 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:42,980 - Detective Reichert. 64 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,080 - Susan, it's Nicola. 65 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,379 - [Nicola Voiceover] You don't. 66 00:04:52,479 --> 00:04:55,579 - So Dale's committal hearing is set for early next year 67 00:04:55,679 --> 00:04:58,019 before that we'll need relevant statements 68 00:04:58,119 --> 00:04:59,099 for their hand out brief. 69 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:00,179 So if we could do that tonight. 70 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,739 - Witness F will be outed, golly gee. 71 00:05:03,838 --> 00:05:05,618 - Yeah, it's possible. 72 00:05:05,718 --> 00:05:06,898 And if that occurs, we think that you 73 00:05:06,998 --> 00:05:08,618 should enter witness protection. 74 00:05:08,718 --> 00:05:09,738 - Look at me. 75 00:05:09,838 --> 00:05:11,958 Have you ever met someone more unsuited? 76 00:05:12,878 --> 00:05:15,218 Wit sec is for people who blend in. 77 00:05:15,318 --> 00:05:16,658 I don't blend in. 78 00:05:16,757 --> 00:05:19,777 No matter where you stash me, I'll be recognized. 79 00:05:19,877 --> 00:05:21,697 No, I'm staying put. 80 00:05:21,797 --> 00:05:22,657 - Well, 81 00:05:22,757 --> 00:05:24,757 that's your choice. 82 00:05:25,077 --> 00:05:27,217 But I would keep as low profile as possible. 83 00:05:27,317 --> 00:05:28,497 - How? 84 00:05:28,597 --> 00:05:31,537 Tony Mokbel's back, he wants me to represent him again. 85 00:05:31,637 --> 00:05:33,417 - You can't. 86 00:05:33,516 --> 00:05:36,656 Tell him you have a conflict of interest. 87 00:05:36,756 --> 00:05:38,816 - A conflict of interest? 88 00:05:38,916 --> 00:05:41,256 You don't say no to Tony Mokbel. 89 00:05:41,356 --> 00:05:44,356 - Well, you better figure out a way. 90 00:05:48,276 --> 00:05:51,036 (dramatic music) 91 00:05:52,355 --> 00:05:54,955 (upbeat music) 92 00:05:57,235 --> 00:05:58,495 - There she is. 93 00:05:58,595 --> 00:06:00,335 You look like shit. 94 00:06:00,435 --> 00:06:01,695 - Thanks. 95 00:06:01,795 --> 00:06:03,415 Coming from you, that's... 96 00:06:03,515 --> 00:06:04,935 - What? 97 00:06:05,035 --> 00:06:07,025 - I saw the wiggy war in Greece. 98 00:06:07,834 --> 00:06:09,414 Front page photo, mate. 99 00:06:09,514 --> 00:06:11,134 Did you get a blind person to buy it for you? 100 00:06:11,234 --> 00:06:12,134 - That was the jacks. 101 00:06:12,234 --> 00:06:14,234 They put it on sideways. 102 00:06:14,714 --> 00:06:17,254 Well, but for a long time, it was my disguise. 103 00:06:17,354 --> 00:06:18,094 - It was something. 104 00:06:18,194 --> 00:06:20,194 - Did you come here to insult me or what? 105 00:06:22,193 --> 00:06:23,133 - No. 106 00:06:23,233 --> 00:06:24,613 I'm enjoying this. 107 00:06:24,713 --> 00:06:26,173 - Yeah, me too. 108 00:06:26,273 --> 00:06:28,273 Good to see you, Nic. 109 00:06:28,673 --> 00:06:31,433 (dramatic music) 110 00:06:34,913 --> 00:06:37,293 - I can't represent you anymore, Tony. 111 00:06:37,393 --> 00:06:39,013 - What do you mean? 112 00:06:39,112 --> 00:06:40,572 - Just with 113 00:06:40,672 --> 00:06:42,652 everything. 114 00:06:42,752 --> 00:06:43,892 Cops already think I tipped you off 115 00:06:43,992 --> 00:06:45,492 when you jumped bail and went off ways. 116 00:06:45,592 --> 00:06:46,452 - But you didn't. 117 00:06:46,552 --> 00:06:48,452 And they've got no proof, so fuck them. 118 00:06:48,552 --> 00:06:50,552 - Yeah, but... 119 00:06:53,152 --> 00:06:55,252 Well, there are just too many 120 00:06:55,351 --> 00:06:57,351 conflicts of interest 121 00:06:59,071 --> 00:07:00,851 - What's going on, 122 00:07:00,951 --> 00:07:02,811 Nic? 123 00:07:02,911 --> 00:07:04,451 - Nothing. 124 00:07:04,551 --> 00:07:06,551 - So you think you can just do this, 125 00:07:08,391 --> 00:07:09,491 just 126 00:07:09,591 --> 00:07:11,411 walk away? 127 00:07:11,510 --> 00:07:13,510 - Yeah, I gotta. 128 00:07:13,990 --> 00:07:15,690 I do. 129 00:07:15,790 --> 00:07:17,770 - So you don't to think 130 00:07:17,870 --> 00:07:19,850 I kept records, 131 00:07:19,950 --> 00:07:21,330 tapes 132 00:07:21,430 --> 00:07:24,910 of you and certain people in compromising fucking positions, 133 00:07:25,950 --> 00:07:28,610 tapes of you fucking 134 00:07:28,709 --> 00:07:31,149 certain people in compromising positions, Nicola? 135 00:07:33,549 --> 00:07:35,289 - Go on, 136 00:07:35,389 --> 00:07:37,389 try the tapes, 137 00:07:37,829 --> 00:07:39,829 probably get me more work. 138 00:07:46,188 --> 00:07:47,208 (dramatic music) 139 00:07:47,308 --> 00:07:49,328 - [Nicola Voiceover] And that was the last time I saw Tony. 140 00:07:49,428 --> 00:07:51,648 He's been locked away ever since. 141 00:07:51,748 --> 00:07:54,388 After all, he didn't have me representing him. 142 00:07:58,348 --> 00:08:00,748 Meanwhile, the Hodson murders remained unsolved. 143 00:08:02,187 --> 00:08:05,247 - Task force Petra will take over the investigation 144 00:08:05,347 --> 00:08:07,887 into the murders of Terrence and Christine Hodson. 145 00:08:07,987 --> 00:08:10,927 I, personally will be on the steering committee. 146 00:08:11,027 --> 00:08:14,207 We will not rest until the killers are brought to justice. 147 00:08:14,307 --> 00:08:17,707 (news reporters chatter) 148 00:08:18,946 --> 00:08:23,686 - [Nicola Voiceover] So the police were on my case. 149 00:08:23,786 --> 00:08:25,086 - Miss, 150 00:08:25,186 --> 00:08:26,046 let's get straight into it. 151 00:08:26,146 --> 00:08:27,406 Let's not muck around. 152 00:08:27,506 --> 00:08:29,046 How would you describe your relationship 153 00:08:29,146 --> 00:08:30,966 with Terry and Christine Hodson? 154 00:08:31,065 --> 00:08:33,685 - I advised Terry after the Oakley burglary. 155 00:08:33,785 --> 00:08:34,805 - Up until his murder? 156 00:08:34,905 --> 00:08:37,345 - Yeah, I had to start repping him after that. 157 00:08:39,105 --> 00:08:40,685 Look, I liked Terry and Christine. 158 00:08:40,785 --> 00:08:43,005 They were good people. 159 00:08:43,105 --> 00:08:46,085 - Were you aware that Terry was a police informer? 160 00:08:46,185 --> 00:08:46,915 - Yes. 161 00:08:47,024 --> 00:08:49,204 - Did you have any discussions with people about that? 162 00:08:49,304 --> 00:08:51,524 - Well, I wouldn't say I've gone out of my way 163 00:08:51,624 --> 00:08:52,924 to ring people and tell them. 164 00:08:53,024 --> 00:08:53,764 - If someone asked? 165 00:08:53,864 --> 00:08:55,604 - If someone asked I might've said something maybe. 166 00:08:55,704 --> 00:08:56,644 - To who? 167 00:08:56,744 --> 00:08:57,484 Who did you just speak to? 168 00:08:57,584 --> 00:08:58,324 - I don't know. 169 00:08:58,424 --> 00:08:59,724 I can't remember. 170 00:08:59,824 --> 00:09:01,804 It's not a criminal offense for me to discuss it. 171 00:09:01,904 --> 00:09:03,004 - I'm just trying to establish who knew 172 00:09:03,103 --> 00:09:05,103 that Terry was informing and how. 173 00:09:05,943 --> 00:09:07,963 - Are you implying something, Detective? 174 00:09:08,063 --> 00:09:11,363 - We believe that a hired killer did Terry and Christine. 175 00:09:11,463 --> 00:09:14,563 And we're just trying to find out who hired the shooter, 176 00:09:14,663 --> 00:09:15,843 who had a motive. 177 00:09:15,943 --> 00:09:18,883 - So who knew Terry was a snitch? 178 00:09:18,983 --> 00:09:19,883 - Yes. 179 00:09:19,982 --> 00:09:21,762 - Well, then have you considered that a division 180 00:09:21,862 --> 00:09:24,682 of your police force misplacing Terry's informal file 181 00:09:24,782 --> 00:09:25,762 may have tipped a few people? 182 00:09:25,862 --> 00:09:27,202 - Right now, we're more interested 183 00:09:27,302 --> 00:09:29,042 in the company you keep, Ms. Gobbo. 184 00:09:29,142 --> 00:09:31,282 - The company I keep? 185 00:09:31,382 --> 00:09:33,382 - Criminals 186 00:09:36,781 --> 00:09:39,041 - [Nicola Voiceover] But I wasn't the only one. 187 00:09:39,141 --> 00:09:41,361 The police kept trying to pin it on Paul Dale. 188 00:09:41,461 --> 00:09:44,101 I almost felt sorry for him. 189 00:09:45,821 --> 00:09:47,521 - And how is it that you own a mechanic business 190 00:09:47,621 --> 00:09:49,641 in Wangaratta and a large house on- 191 00:09:49,741 --> 00:09:51,121 - I saved, 192 00:09:51,221 --> 00:09:53,041 that's how. 193 00:09:53,140 --> 00:09:54,680 - If you look at my finances, 194 00:09:54,780 --> 00:09:57,040 I'm sure you already have, 195 00:09:57,140 --> 00:09:59,140 there's nothing dodgy there. 196 00:10:00,860 --> 00:10:03,320 - In 2004, you used a burner phone registered 197 00:10:03,420 --> 00:10:07,180 under the name Darren Johnson to contact Nicola Gobbo. 198 00:10:10,139 --> 00:10:12,159 - Did she tell you that? 199 00:10:12,259 --> 00:10:13,039 - Well, 200 00:10:13,139 --> 00:10:15,979 you contacted her over 150 times. 201 00:10:17,059 --> 00:10:19,479 Is that to organize meetings between you and Carl Williams? 202 00:10:19,579 --> 00:10:21,599 - I never met with Carl Williams, 203 00:10:21,699 --> 00:10:23,159 not like he said. 204 00:10:23,259 --> 00:10:25,259 - Then why so many calls to Ms. Gobbo? 205 00:10:26,618 --> 00:10:30,598 - I used phones purchased under a false name to contact her 206 00:10:30,698 --> 00:10:32,698 because we were having an affair. 207 00:10:36,138 --> 00:10:38,358 - You were having a sexual relationship with Ms. Gobbo? 208 00:10:38,458 --> 00:10:40,158 - I wouldn't call it a relationship, 209 00:10:40,257 --> 00:10:42,257 it was more like a one night stand. 210 00:10:43,297 --> 00:10:44,757 And I used a burner phone 211 00:10:44,857 --> 00:10:46,857 because 212 00:10:48,817 --> 00:10:50,817 I didn't want my wife to find out. 213 00:10:53,097 --> 00:10:55,977 - Well, she denies any sexual relationship with you. 214 00:10:58,456 --> 00:10:59,956 - You believe her? 215 00:11:00,056 --> 00:11:03,136 (instrumental music) 216 00:11:18,335 --> 00:11:20,075 - Thank you, 217 00:11:20,175 --> 00:11:21,195 detective. 218 00:11:21,295 --> 00:11:23,295 - Go fuck yourself. 219 00:11:26,655 --> 00:11:28,825 - Do you think we're moving too fast? 220 00:11:28,934 --> 00:11:31,754 Dale doesn't look like he's about to crack. 221 00:11:31,854 --> 00:11:33,274 We only have three witnesses that put 222 00:11:33,374 --> 00:11:35,374 Dale close to the Hodson murders. 223 00:11:35,934 --> 00:11:37,794 - They're all criminals. 224 00:11:37,894 --> 00:11:39,674 And the main one is Carl Williams. 225 00:11:39,774 --> 00:11:42,534 (dramatic music) 226 00:11:47,733 --> 00:11:49,733 Nicola Gobbo, 227 00:11:50,973 --> 00:11:52,973 she puts Dale close. 228 00:11:53,493 --> 00:11:55,493 She's the key. 229 00:11:56,173 --> 00:11:58,393 - Yeah. 230 00:11:58,493 --> 00:12:01,573 (instrumental music) 231 00:12:37,010 --> 00:12:39,010 - Hey. 232 00:12:39,890 --> 00:12:41,390 You don't look so good. 233 00:12:41,490 --> 00:12:43,150 - People keep saying that. 234 00:12:43,250 --> 00:12:46,650 At least they're telling the truth of it. 235 00:12:48,690 --> 00:12:50,190 How are you doing in here? 236 00:12:50,289 --> 00:12:53,069 - Prison is a barrel of fun. 237 00:12:53,169 --> 00:12:55,609 I could tell you stories about the times in here. 238 00:12:56,569 --> 00:12:57,489 You know how much I love a good story 239 00:12:57,569 --> 00:12:58,829 but 240 00:12:58,929 --> 00:13:00,929 I don't much feel like it. 241 00:13:01,729 --> 00:13:03,469 - You're angry at me, Juicy? 242 00:13:03,569 --> 00:13:05,569 - Why would I be angry? 243 00:13:09,328 --> 00:13:11,308 - I was 244 00:13:11,408 --> 00:13:12,228 forced 245 00:13:12,328 --> 00:13:13,268 into it. 246 00:13:13,368 --> 00:13:15,368 The cops made me turn on you. 247 00:13:20,288 --> 00:13:23,228 - Did you send me to prison so that I'd hate you? 248 00:13:23,327 --> 00:13:25,107 Were you that scared? - Juicy. 249 00:13:25,207 --> 00:13:27,267 - Why did you tell them about the van? 250 00:13:27,367 --> 00:13:28,067 - I was trying to help you. 251 00:13:28,167 --> 00:13:29,587 - You got me fucking arrested. 252 00:13:29,687 --> 00:13:31,707 - I got you an 18 month sentence. 253 00:13:31,807 --> 00:13:33,707 - I'm not some client you do deals for. 254 00:13:33,807 --> 00:13:34,947 It was me, Nic. 255 00:13:35,047 --> 00:13:37,047 Me. 256 00:13:37,567 --> 00:13:39,147 - Tudge is doing 15 years. 257 00:13:39,246 --> 00:13:40,106 You were gonna get caught. 258 00:13:40,206 --> 00:13:41,146 Get the same as him. 259 00:13:41,246 --> 00:13:41,986 I got you out. 260 00:13:42,086 --> 00:13:44,266 - It was my life! 261 00:13:44,366 --> 00:13:46,446 I make those calls, not you! 262 00:13:47,406 --> 00:13:50,406 (melancholic music) 263 00:13:52,246 --> 00:13:54,186 Guard, get me out of here. 264 00:13:54,285 --> 00:13:57,285 (melancholic music) 265 00:14:17,884 --> 00:14:19,904 - Nicola, it has been so long. 266 00:14:20,004 --> 00:14:21,024 - That's my fault. 267 00:14:21,124 --> 00:14:21,864 - No, no, no, don't touch. 268 00:14:21,964 --> 00:14:23,784 Don't touch, please, I'm sick. 269 00:14:23,884 --> 00:14:26,224 Kids, you know what they should really be called? 270 00:14:26,324 --> 00:14:27,944 Little germ bags. 271 00:14:28,043 --> 00:14:29,263 Thank God, it's such a relief leaving them 272 00:14:29,363 --> 00:14:31,623 with the nanny for a couple of hours. 273 00:14:31,723 --> 00:14:33,263 - How many kids do you have now? 274 00:14:33,363 --> 00:14:34,223 - Three. 275 00:14:34,323 --> 00:14:35,063 You remember that. 276 00:14:35,163 --> 00:14:36,623 - Yeah, of course, I remember. 277 00:14:36,723 --> 00:14:38,583 Just so much going on. 278 00:14:38,683 --> 00:14:40,683 I thought I might've missed one. 279 00:14:43,282 --> 00:14:45,722 - It's nice to see you out of the house for a change, Nic. 280 00:14:54,642 --> 00:14:56,582 Is everything okay? 281 00:14:56,682 --> 00:14:58,822 - Yeah, great. 282 00:14:58,921 --> 00:15:00,181 - Are you in trouble? 283 00:15:00,281 --> 00:15:02,281 - When haven't I been? 284 00:15:07,041 --> 00:15:09,381 You were right, Emma. 285 00:15:09,481 --> 00:15:11,461 I am addicted to it, 286 00:15:11,561 --> 00:15:13,561 the life. 287 00:15:14,321 --> 00:15:16,321 - Oh, sweetheart. 288 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:20,000 - [Nicola Voiceover] After all these complaints 289 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,940 about me being an informer, it was sort of ironic 290 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,820 when the chicks came home to roost for Carl Williams. 291 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,020 - What's the matter? 292 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,540 - Nothing. 293 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,960 - You're looking at me like I've got a turd on my head. 294 00:15:32,479 --> 00:15:34,479 Do I have a turd on my head? 295 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:41,179 Do I have a turd on my head? 296 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:42,019 - No. 297 00:15:42,119 --> 00:15:43,739 No, there's no turd, mate. 298 00:15:43,839 --> 00:15:45,839 - Then what's the matter? 299 00:15:47,359 --> 00:15:49,259 - Rumors, mate. 300 00:15:49,358 --> 00:15:51,358 - What rumors? 301 00:15:51,718 --> 00:15:53,718 - Word is, you talked. 302 00:15:54,078 --> 00:15:55,138 - You know I stick fat. 303 00:15:55,238 --> 00:15:57,058 - Yeah, we know Carl, but just people have- 304 00:15:57,158 --> 00:15:59,418 - You think after all this time I'd turn dog? 305 00:15:59,518 --> 00:16:00,658 - You're looking at 35 years. 306 00:16:00,758 --> 00:16:01,658 - Fuck you. 307 00:16:01,758 --> 00:16:02,618 - I'm just saying- 308 00:16:02,718 --> 00:16:03,898 - We've been mates 15 years. 309 00:16:03,997 --> 00:16:04,857 - I know, but it- 310 00:16:04,957 --> 00:16:06,957 - Don't say it again! 311 00:16:07,757 --> 00:16:10,517 (dramatic music) 312 00:16:15,557 --> 00:16:17,917 - You think the same, matey, you think I'm talking? 313 00:16:18,877 --> 00:16:21,457 Look, I've been making some shit up, 314 00:16:21,556 --> 00:16:23,836 stringing the jacks along, getting some perks. 315 00:16:25,116 --> 00:16:26,976 Don't be like every other brain dead maggot in here 316 00:16:27,076 --> 00:16:29,076 and believe jack rumors. 317 00:16:29,596 --> 00:16:31,056 I chose to be in this unit with you 318 00:16:31,156 --> 00:16:33,156 blokes because we're mates. 319 00:16:35,516 --> 00:16:37,016 You know me, 320 00:16:37,115 --> 00:16:38,615 I'm no dog. 321 00:16:38,715 --> 00:16:41,935 (dramatic music) 322 00:16:42,035 --> 00:16:44,035 You know that, right? 323 00:16:45,395 --> 00:16:49,775 - Yeah. 324 00:16:49,875 --> 00:16:51,875 - Right, matey? 325 00:16:54,474 --> 00:16:56,054 - Yeah, Carl. 326 00:16:56,154 --> 00:16:58,154 We're all good. 327 00:17:01,954 --> 00:17:04,914 - And you bring me the next fucking prick who calls me dog. 328 00:17:14,233 --> 00:17:15,073 - [Nicola Voiceover] For the moment, 329 00:17:15,153 --> 00:17:17,273 Carl convinced them he was staunch. 330 00:17:23,353 --> 00:17:26,573 But right about then his old mate, Rod Collins 331 00:17:26,672 --> 00:17:29,312 was convicted for two murders he did 20 years ago. 332 00:17:35,712 --> 00:17:37,732 He killed a crim and his wife. 333 00:17:37,832 --> 00:17:40,212 Cops figured these past murders put Collins 334 00:17:40,312 --> 00:17:42,312 in the frame for the Hodson's. 335 00:17:45,031 --> 00:17:47,031 - It's the Abby's 336 00:17:47,991 --> 00:17:49,651 and the Hodson's, 337 00:17:49,751 --> 00:17:53,531 both execution style with collateral damage, 338 00:17:53,631 --> 00:17:55,631 same memo as the Hodson murders. 339 00:17:57,310 --> 00:18:00,390 - What, 'cause there's a bloke and a chic? 340 00:18:01,230 --> 00:18:03,990 It's the only similarities I see. 341 00:18:04,990 --> 00:18:05,690 So the fuck what? 342 00:18:05,790 --> 00:18:08,510 - So the fuck you're in here for 32 years, Rod. 343 00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:11,530 You're 53. 344 00:18:11,630 --> 00:18:14,090 Do you wanna get out of here alive? 345 00:18:14,189 --> 00:18:16,089 Carl Williams gave us a statement saying 346 00:18:16,189 --> 00:18:18,189 that you did some work for him. 347 00:18:18,589 --> 00:18:20,589 - What kind of work? 348 00:18:21,229 --> 00:18:22,089 - Why don't you tell us? 349 00:18:22,189 --> 00:18:24,229 - I think you mean around the house work, 350 00:18:25,789 --> 00:18:27,689 did some gardening, 351 00:18:27,789 --> 00:18:29,369 washed his windows, 352 00:18:29,468 --> 00:18:32,548 hung his drapes, yeah? (laughs) 353 00:18:33,908 --> 00:18:35,488 Housework. 354 00:18:35,588 --> 00:18:37,688 - Are you finished, playing around? 355 00:18:37,788 --> 00:18:39,048 - I'm playing around, am I? 356 00:18:39,148 --> 00:18:43,408 How do I really know that you got a statement from Carl? 357 00:18:43,508 --> 00:18:44,408 - Well, he's in here. 358 00:18:44,508 --> 00:18:47,088 Why don't you talk to him yourself? 359 00:18:47,187 --> 00:18:48,247 If you'd back up his statement, 360 00:18:48,347 --> 00:18:50,407 maybe I can give you a future. 361 00:18:50,507 --> 00:18:52,247 - You want a bit of the Hodson reward money? 362 00:18:52,347 --> 00:18:54,807 - Well, if your information is on the mark, 363 00:18:54,907 --> 00:18:56,367 I don't see why you can't split it. 364 00:18:56,467 --> 00:18:58,487 - Split it, huh? 365 00:18:58,587 --> 00:19:00,047 Me and Carl, 366 00:19:00,147 --> 00:19:01,847 halfsies. 367 00:19:01,946 --> 00:19:03,246 I don't think. 368 00:19:03,346 --> 00:19:05,846 I hear the cop you had for the Hudson murders 369 00:19:05,946 --> 00:19:07,946 has a really good alibi. 370 00:19:08,906 --> 00:19:10,606 Aren't you're worried about that? 371 00:19:10,706 --> 00:19:13,726 Or maybe haven't you ever thought like I do? 372 00:19:13,826 --> 00:19:15,486 That when someone has a really good alibi 373 00:19:15,586 --> 00:19:17,526 that just, just maybe 374 00:19:17,626 --> 00:19:19,866 they got something to hide. 375 00:19:23,025 --> 00:19:25,525 - [Nicola Voiceover] So Rod points the finger at Paul Dale 376 00:19:25,625 --> 00:19:27,885 and the cops took the psychopath at his word. 377 00:19:27,985 --> 00:19:30,545 (upbeat music) 378 00:19:35,424 --> 00:19:37,424 - Let's go. 379 00:19:40,344 --> 00:19:41,964 Hello Dale, we're here to arrest you 380 00:19:42,064 --> 00:19:43,884 for the murders of Terry and Christine Hodson. 381 00:19:43,984 --> 00:19:46,484 - There's no need to handcuff me, I'm not gonna run. 382 00:19:46,584 --> 00:19:48,584 - Yeah, all right. 383 00:19:51,503 --> 00:19:53,203 - Geez, who do you think I am, Ned Kelly? 384 00:19:53,303 --> 00:19:54,683 - Do you have anything to say, Paul? 385 00:19:54,783 --> 00:19:55,963 - Yes. I'm innocent. 386 00:19:56,063 --> 00:19:57,043 I want to get that bit for once. 387 00:19:57,143 --> 00:19:58,003 I'm being framed. 388 00:19:58,103 --> 00:20:00,103 Print that for once. 389 00:20:01,143 --> 00:20:02,523 It's fine (talk over each other) 390 00:20:02,623 --> 00:20:05,523 This is all gonna be over. 391 00:20:05,623 --> 00:20:07,623 Get your hands for once. 392 00:20:08,742 --> 00:20:10,682 Go back inside this. 393 00:20:10,782 --> 00:20:12,782 Fuck. 394 00:20:18,222 --> 00:20:20,222 Fuck. 395 00:20:30,181 --> 00:20:31,061 Mate, you're gonna have to pull over. 396 00:20:31,141 --> 00:20:33,141 I've got to take a leak. 397 00:20:33,661 --> 00:20:34,921 - [Driver] You will when we get to Melbourne. 398 00:20:35,021 --> 00:20:37,021 - But that's three hours away. 399 00:20:38,940 --> 00:20:40,360 I'm not joking, mate, I'm bursting. 400 00:20:40,460 --> 00:20:42,680 I'm not gonna be able to hang onto it that long. 401 00:20:42,780 --> 00:20:45,060 - [Driver] We're stopping in Melbourne, mate. 402 00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:55,280 Are you pissing on the floor? 403 00:20:55,379 --> 00:20:56,799 - Yeah. 404 00:20:56,899 --> 00:20:58,279 - You'll be cleaning it up when we get there. 405 00:20:58,379 --> 00:21:00,379 - You reckon? 406 00:21:15,458 --> 00:21:16,638 (dramatic music) 407 00:21:16,738 --> 00:21:19,558 - If you plead guilty, you'll get consideration 408 00:21:19,658 --> 00:21:20,958 and possibly a lighter sentence. 409 00:21:21,058 --> 00:21:24,138 - I'm not pleading guilty to something that I didn't do. 410 00:21:26,138 --> 00:21:28,138 They got me in solitary confinement, 411 00:21:29,417 --> 00:21:31,717 had me locked up next to fucking Muslim terrorists. 412 00:21:31,817 --> 00:21:32,557 - Paul. 413 00:21:32,657 --> 00:21:33,517 - Why would I kill the Hodson's 414 00:21:33,617 --> 00:21:34,817 if I had nothing to do with the Oakley robbery. 415 00:21:34,897 --> 00:21:37,017 It just, it doesn't make sense. 416 00:21:38,617 --> 00:21:39,557 - But we have statements. 417 00:21:39,657 --> 00:21:40,677 - Yeah, but from who? 418 00:21:40,777 --> 00:21:42,777 From fucking Carl Williams. 419 00:21:43,177 --> 00:21:44,837 He's lying. 420 00:21:44,936 --> 00:21:46,236 He's looking at 35 years. 421 00:21:46,336 --> 00:21:48,756 He's just saying whatever you wanna hear. 422 00:21:48,856 --> 00:21:51,956 What deal did you give him to make that statement? 423 00:21:52,056 --> 00:21:52,796 - Paul. 424 00:21:52,896 --> 00:21:56,236 - Has David Miechel ever implicated me in the robbery? 425 00:21:56,336 --> 00:21:57,276 He's doing in 15 years. 426 00:21:57,376 --> 00:22:00,196 What would he never mention my name once 427 00:22:00,295 --> 00:22:02,295 when he could have cut a deal? 428 00:22:02,855 --> 00:22:03,555 - I'll tell you why? 429 00:22:03,655 --> 00:22:06,315 Because he knows that I had nothing to do 430 00:22:06,415 --> 00:22:08,875 with the robberies or the murder. 431 00:22:08,975 --> 00:22:12,055 (instrumental music) 432 00:22:13,255 --> 00:22:15,725 (phone rings) 433 00:22:17,894 --> 00:22:19,314 - Nicola Gobbo. 434 00:22:19,414 --> 00:22:21,194 - [Simon] Nicola, it's Simon. 435 00:22:21,294 --> 00:22:22,114 We're close to moving forward 436 00:22:22,214 --> 00:22:24,114 and with all that's going on, 437 00:22:24,214 --> 00:22:25,154 we think it's best if you would 438 00:22:25,254 --> 00:22:27,254 reconsider witness protection. 439 00:22:28,574 --> 00:22:30,574 Your safety is our primary concern. 440 00:22:32,493 --> 00:22:33,273 - Simon. 441 00:22:33,373 --> 00:22:34,113 - Nicola. 442 00:22:34,213 --> 00:22:36,033 - I've told you. 443 00:22:36,133 --> 00:22:39,493 - Our assessment is word's out you're talking to us. 444 00:22:41,173 --> 00:22:42,393 You're now at extreme risk. 445 00:22:42,493 --> 00:22:44,553 - If I go into witness protection. 446 00:22:44,653 --> 00:22:46,713 - Don't sit dog. 447 00:22:46,813 --> 00:22:49,873 - If I go into wit sec, everyone will know. 448 00:22:49,972 --> 00:22:51,672 No witness, if it's me. 449 00:22:51,772 --> 00:22:53,512 My only way- - Nicola. 450 00:22:53,612 --> 00:22:57,092 - My only way is to stay in the open, 451 00:22:58,092 --> 00:22:59,672 hide in plain sight. 452 00:22:59,772 --> 00:23:01,432 - Nicola. - My only shot. 453 00:23:01,532 --> 00:23:03,752 Plausible deniability. 454 00:23:03,852 --> 00:23:05,712 You know what that is, don't you, Simon? 455 00:23:05,811 --> 00:23:08,571 (dramatic music) 456 00:23:50,489 --> 00:23:55,489 - Hey, dog. (gun shot) 457 00:24:08,608 --> 00:24:11,768 (instrumental music) 458 00:24:15,767 --> 00:24:16,527 - [Nicola Voiceover] Amongst it all, 459 00:24:16,607 --> 00:24:18,607 Juicy had served his time. 460 00:24:20,447 --> 00:24:22,447 It was really good to see him. 461 00:24:23,447 --> 00:24:25,067 I mean that. 462 00:24:25,166 --> 00:24:27,366 - What do you wanna say to me? 463 00:24:28,526 --> 00:24:30,066 - Just 464 00:24:30,166 --> 00:24:33,906 after next week, I might be going away for a while 465 00:24:34,006 --> 00:24:36,006 and 466 00:24:36,726 --> 00:24:38,726 I wanted to apologize. 467 00:24:39,766 --> 00:24:41,766 Make amends. 468 00:24:42,085 --> 00:24:44,725 Bloody steps without being in bloody AA. 469 00:24:49,325 --> 00:24:51,505 They pushed me around, 470 00:24:51,605 --> 00:24:53,425 cops, crims, everyone. 471 00:24:53,525 --> 00:24:56,945 - Nic, no one pushed you around. 472 00:24:57,045 --> 00:24:59,415 You might think I don't, but I know you. 473 00:24:59,524 --> 00:25:01,944 You love making things happen. 474 00:25:02,044 --> 00:25:04,084 Being at the center was always about you. 475 00:25:07,404 --> 00:25:09,404 What I don't understand, 476 00:25:11,524 --> 00:25:13,524 why didn't you give us a chance? 477 00:25:17,203 --> 00:25:19,063 - I like to surround myself with terrible men, 478 00:25:19,163 --> 00:25:21,623 you know that. - Give me an answer. 479 00:25:21,723 --> 00:25:24,443 - Did you ever really think we'd up together? 480 00:25:26,363 --> 00:25:28,683 You settling down, with a dog, 481 00:25:30,602 --> 00:25:31,942 a white fence 482 00:25:32,042 --> 00:25:32,822 and 483 00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:34,922 yoga classes? 484 00:25:36,562 --> 00:25:38,562 - Not with a dog. 485 00:25:39,002 --> 00:25:41,002 - It's not me. 486 00:25:41,402 --> 00:25:42,382 It's not you either. 487 00:25:42,482 --> 00:25:45,542 It's the three daughters with three women. 488 00:25:45,642 --> 00:25:48,642 (melancholic music) 489 00:25:54,041 --> 00:25:56,041 - You got my number. 490 00:25:56,921 --> 00:25:58,921 We should grab a meal sometime. 491 00:26:01,561 --> 00:26:03,561 - I'd like that, Kevin. 492 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,200 (melancholic music) 493 00:26:23,999 --> 00:26:26,179 - [Nicola Voiceover] I was too scared to fight them anymore. 494 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:28,999 So I finally agreed to accept police protection. 495 00:26:30,999 --> 00:26:33,419 (upbeat music) 496 00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:35,519 But I didn't settle too well. 497 00:26:36,438 --> 00:26:38,898 I was moved more than a dozen times, 498 00:26:38,998 --> 00:26:41,418 38 flights in 10 months 499 00:26:41,518 --> 00:26:43,978 $76,000 in hotel rooms 500 00:26:44,078 --> 00:26:46,258 $43,000 in allowances. 501 00:26:46,358 --> 00:26:48,178 Until finally, 502 00:26:48,278 --> 00:26:50,298 they settled me in Bali. 503 00:26:50,398 --> 00:26:52,958 (upbeat music) 504 00:26:55,037 --> 00:26:57,737 For 24 hours a day, my police protection watched me 505 00:26:57,837 --> 00:26:59,837 smash cocktails at the bar. 506 00:27:02,037 --> 00:27:04,257 - You know who you remind me of? 507 00:27:04,357 --> 00:27:06,357 What's his name from the Muppets? 508 00:27:07,916 --> 00:27:09,296 Beaker. 509 00:27:09,396 --> 00:27:11,396 That's it. 510 00:27:12,356 --> 00:27:13,656 Look it up. 511 00:27:13,756 --> 00:27:15,756 I'm not lying. 512 00:27:18,276 --> 00:27:21,256 You know what I'm gonna do when all this is over, 513 00:27:21,356 --> 00:27:23,356 when I'm rid of you lot. 514 00:27:25,235 --> 00:27:27,235 I'm gonna to open up a juice bar. 515 00:27:29,115 --> 00:27:31,095 No more grog. 516 00:27:31,195 --> 00:27:32,735 No more laughing. 517 00:27:32,835 --> 00:27:35,135 - Nicola, someone here to see you. 518 00:27:35,235 --> 00:27:36,655 - A visitor. 519 00:27:36,755 --> 00:27:38,575 I'm gonna need my car seat. 520 00:27:38,675 --> 00:27:40,485 Hello, Chikka. 521 00:27:40,594 --> 00:27:42,594 - I'll need to speak with her alone. 522 00:27:48,434 --> 00:27:49,174 Hey. 523 00:27:49,274 --> 00:27:51,274 - Hello. 524 00:27:55,513 --> 00:27:57,633 - I was talking to someone in Melbourne. 525 00:27:59,673 --> 00:28:01,253 - Yeah. 526 00:28:01,353 --> 00:28:03,353 - He told me some things. 527 00:28:05,433 --> 00:28:08,093 He said they're gonna present you as a witness 528 00:28:08,193 --> 00:28:10,193 at Paul Dale's murder committal. 529 00:28:11,233 --> 00:28:13,233 - That's the plan. 530 00:28:14,352 --> 00:28:16,492 - He said you've been informing 531 00:28:16,592 --> 00:28:20,172 against your own clients, is that true? 532 00:28:20,272 --> 00:28:22,272 - Don't look so shocked. 533 00:28:22,672 --> 00:28:24,672 I crossed that line a long time ago. 534 00:28:26,392 --> 00:28:29,852 You know me, I'm an all or nothing girl. 535 00:28:29,951 --> 00:28:32,331 - Who knows about this? 536 00:28:32,431 --> 00:28:35,031 That you've been informing against your own clients. 537 00:28:36,791 --> 00:28:38,791 - My handlers. 538 00:28:39,871 --> 00:28:41,871 Simon Overland, 539 00:28:43,631 --> 00:28:45,051 a few others. 540 00:28:45,150 --> 00:28:47,150 That's it. 541 00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:52,630 (dramatic music) 542 00:28:53,910 --> 00:28:55,410 - Chikka. 543 00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:57,510 - Susan. 544 00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:03,610 Commissioner Overland, congratulations on your promotion. 545 00:29:03,709 --> 00:29:05,709 - Thank you. 546 00:29:06,069 --> 00:29:07,809 I heard 547 00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:09,909 you spoke to Nicola Gobbo. 548 00:29:10,709 --> 00:29:12,709 - Yeah. 549 00:29:13,149 --> 00:29:15,149 - What did she say? 550 00:29:15,549 --> 00:29:17,409 - How can you use Gobbo as a witness, 551 00:29:17,508 --> 00:29:18,968 as an informer in her own case. 552 00:29:19,068 --> 00:29:19,968 She was their lawyer. 553 00:29:20,068 --> 00:29:21,328 - Well, she was never representing them. 554 00:29:21,428 --> 00:29:22,368 She was one of them. 555 00:29:22,468 --> 00:29:24,288 - A lawyer can't snitch against her clients, 556 00:29:24,388 --> 00:29:26,168 that's as basic as it gets. 557 00:29:26,268 --> 00:29:29,248 Every time we register an informer, there's a source test. 558 00:29:29,348 --> 00:29:31,088 Will their evidence withstand scrutiny? 559 00:29:31,188 --> 00:29:32,408 Would using it be ethical? 560 00:29:32,507 --> 00:29:33,267 Gobbo doesn't satisfy any of that. 561 00:29:33,347 --> 00:29:35,687 - You want me to use the greater good argument 562 00:29:35,787 --> 00:29:38,167 or the desperate times, desperate measures argument. 563 00:29:38,267 --> 00:29:39,047 - Don't patronize me. 564 00:29:39,147 --> 00:29:40,327 - I'm not. 565 00:29:40,427 --> 00:29:42,207 But you must understand that Nicola Gobbo 566 00:29:42,307 --> 00:29:43,887 is the glittering prize. 567 00:29:43,987 --> 00:29:46,287 The insider we've been wanting for years. 568 00:29:46,387 --> 00:29:48,127 - She can bring Dale to trial 569 00:29:48,227 --> 00:29:49,967 and she insists that she wasn't his lawyer. 570 00:29:50,066 --> 00:29:52,406 - It doesn't matter what Nicola insists. 571 00:29:52,506 --> 00:29:54,926 If Dale thought she was his lawyer then she was. 572 00:29:55,026 --> 00:29:57,086 You studied law, you know that. 573 00:29:57,186 --> 00:29:59,966 If her testimony is allowed, it will set a precedent 574 00:30:00,066 --> 00:30:02,966 that Victoria will be stuck with forever. 575 00:30:03,066 --> 00:30:04,246 You think a judge is gonna overlook 576 00:30:04,346 --> 00:30:05,806 200 years of legal privilege? 577 00:30:05,905 --> 00:30:07,045 - (talk over each other) her testimony 578 00:30:07,145 --> 00:30:09,325 will withstand scrutiny and a judge will see it our way. 579 00:30:09,425 --> 00:30:10,445 Yes, and accept it. - Oh come on. 580 00:30:10,545 --> 00:30:11,445 - There was a problem. 581 00:30:11,545 --> 00:30:13,525 And I put methods in place to fix it. 582 00:30:13,625 --> 00:30:14,645 And it has been fixed. 583 00:30:14,745 --> 00:30:16,245 - What you're doing goes against 584 00:30:16,345 --> 00:30:17,405 the code of every police- 585 00:30:17,505 --> 00:30:19,285 - They're killing in front of kids. 586 00:30:19,385 --> 00:30:21,715 Killing innocent wives, crims have no - 587 00:30:21,824 --> 00:30:23,924 - We're the fucking police, 588 00:30:24,024 --> 00:30:25,644 we're supposed to be better than them. 589 00:30:25,744 --> 00:30:28,044 And if her informer status comes out, 590 00:30:28,144 --> 00:30:30,944 all the convictions in her cases will be thrown out. 591 00:30:39,823 --> 00:30:41,483 Can you say 592 00:30:41,583 --> 00:30:43,583 Royal Commission? 593 00:30:44,463 --> 00:30:45,403 - Are you threatening me? 594 00:30:45,503 --> 00:30:47,843 - No, I'm telling you straight up. 595 00:30:47,943 --> 00:30:49,983 - I think you've made your point, Chikka. 596 00:30:58,342 --> 00:30:59,882 - Get Gobbo back to Melbourne. 597 00:30:59,982 --> 00:31:01,982 Bring her back now. 598 00:31:07,862 --> 00:31:10,422 (upbeat music) 599 00:31:15,501 --> 00:31:17,601 - [Reporter] Former drug squad detective Paul Dale 600 00:31:17,701 --> 00:31:19,921 has been released on bail ahead of his trial 601 00:31:20,021 --> 00:31:23,001 for the murder of police informer, Terrence Hodson. 602 00:31:23,101 --> 00:31:24,441 We go live now to the gates 603 00:31:24,541 --> 00:31:26,801 of Barwon prison for this special report. 604 00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:27,720 - [Reporter] How does it feel 605 00:31:27,820 --> 00:31:29,720 to finally get released on bail? 606 00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:31,160 - How do you think it feels? 607 00:31:31,260 --> 00:31:33,320 They kept me in there for seven months. 608 00:31:33,420 --> 00:31:34,600 - What do you plan to do now? 609 00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:35,880 - Prove I'm innocent. 610 00:31:35,980 --> 00:31:37,280 You'll see. 611 00:31:37,380 --> 00:31:40,600 - [Reporter] Do you have any last words for Victoria Police? 612 00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:44,040 - I would just like to say Victoria Police lost its way. 613 00:31:44,139 --> 00:31:46,919 When it walked into Barwon Prison with an open checkbook 614 00:31:47,019 --> 00:31:48,999 and accepted the ravings of a criminal who is prepared 615 00:31:49,099 --> 00:31:51,599 to say anything for a reduced sentence. 616 00:31:51,699 --> 00:31:52,879 Excuse me. 617 00:31:52,979 --> 00:31:54,159 - [Reporter] So Carl Williams is lying. 618 00:31:54,259 --> 00:31:54,999 - Yeah. 619 00:31:55,099 --> 00:31:57,239 Mate, yes, he's lying. 620 00:31:57,339 --> 00:31:58,479 He made everything up 621 00:31:58,578 --> 00:32:00,578 and I'll prove that at my committal hearing. 622 00:32:02,778 --> 00:32:04,358 - Don't tell me to calm down. 623 00:32:04,458 --> 00:32:05,198 - Nicola. 624 00:32:05,298 --> 00:32:06,558 - Dale's out. 625 00:32:06,658 --> 00:32:07,678 Why'd you let him out? 626 00:32:07,778 --> 00:32:09,878 - The judge decided that after seven months, 627 00:32:09,978 --> 00:32:11,438 bail was a suitable option. 628 00:32:11,538 --> 00:32:13,718 - Fuck me, I'm gonna have another stroke. 629 00:32:13,818 --> 00:32:14,678 - Well, don't do that. 630 00:32:14,777 --> 00:32:16,597 You testify on Monday. 631 00:32:16,697 --> 00:32:18,197 - Get out. 632 00:32:18,297 --> 00:32:20,397 Get the fuck out of my house. 633 00:32:20,497 --> 00:32:22,497 I'll look after myself. 634 00:32:29,177 --> 00:32:29,937 - [Nicola Voiceover] Yes, of course, 635 00:32:30,017 --> 00:32:31,957 I was scared of testifying. 636 00:32:32,056 --> 00:32:34,056 Luckily, I didn't have to. 637 00:32:36,816 --> 00:32:38,816 - Commissioner, you got a minute. 638 00:32:40,016 --> 00:32:42,016 What's she done? 639 00:32:42,456 --> 00:32:44,456 (siren) 640 00:32:45,416 --> 00:32:47,596 - They say it's stress-related, I wonder why. 641 00:32:47,695 --> 00:32:50,295 - I'm glad to see you're feeling better now. 642 00:32:51,175 --> 00:32:52,995 - This looks better? 643 00:32:53,095 --> 00:32:56,115 Simon, I think I'm having a nervous breakdown. 644 00:32:56,215 --> 00:32:58,075 - You're not having a nervous breakdown. 645 00:32:58,175 --> 00:33:00,175 - And I've been doing some thinking, 646 00:33:00,935 --> 00:33:02,985 I can't work as a lawyer anymore. 647 00:33:03,094 --> 00:33:05,334 It's gone, I'm finished. 648 00:33:06,574 --> 00:33:10,334 So I've been thinking I need some recompense. 649 00:33:11,414 --> 00:33:12,634 - Recompense? 650 00:33:12,734 --> 00:33:14,734 - $20 million. 651 00:33:15,094 --> 00:33:16,394 That should last the rest of my life. 652 00:33:16,494 --> 00:33:18,234 - That's not... 653 00:33:18,334 --> 00:33:19,074 There's no way. 654 00:33:19,173 --> 00:33:20,833 - It's what I want. 655 00:33:20,933 --> 00:33:22,513 20 million. 656 00:33:22,613 --> 00:33:24,093 - [Nicola Voiceover] So the committal hearing was delayed 657 00:33:24,173 --> 00:33:26,173 while the police figured out what to do. 658 00:33:27,373 --> 00:33:30,513 But no one could have expected what happened next. 659 00:33:30,613 --> 00:33:31,353 (upbeat music) 660 00:33:31,453 --> 00:33:35,713 ♪ Now I wanna be your dog ♪ 661 00:33:35,812 --> 00:33:39,232 ♪ Now I wanna be your dog ♪ 662 00:33:39,332 --> 00:33:42,812 ♪ Now I wanna be your dog ♪ 663 00:33:45,252 --> 00:33:47,952 - You'll make it the wrong place. 664 00:33:48,052 --> 00:33:50,872 (upbeat music) 665 00:33:50,972 --> 00:33:53,652 ♪ Well, come on ♪ 666 00:34:14,490 --> 00:34:16,510 - What you doing, matey? 667 00:34:16,610 --> 00:34:18,690 - I'm just airing it out. 668 00:34:25,009 --> 00:34:27,929 (mysterious music) 669 00:34:45,608 --> 00:34:47,588 (upbeat music) 670 00:34:47,688 --> 00:34:52,548 ♪ The devil, my conscience and I ♪ 671 00:34:52,648 --> 00:34:57,028 ♪ Had a discussion about you ♪ 672 00:34:57,127 --> 00:35:01,907 ♪ My conscience convinced me last night ♪ 673 00:35:02,007 --> 00:35:06,787 ♪ To turn around and come back to you ♪ 674 00:35:06,887 --> 00:35:07,747 ♪ The devil said ♪ 675 00:35:07,847 --> 00:35:11,027 ♪ hey, how do you stick to one girl ♪ 676 00:35:11,127 --> 00:35:12,227 ♪ Because I love her ♪ 677 00:35:12,326 --> 00:35:14,146 - Something terrible has happened. 678 00:35:14,246 --> 00:35:15,506 Carl's dead. 679 00:35:15,606 --> 00:35:16,426 - Carl hit his head. 680 00:35:16,526 --> 00:35:21,526 ♪ But there's many other girls in this whole world ♪ 681 00:35:21,886 --> 00:35:24,946 (instrumental music) 682 00:35:25,046 --> 00:35:26,506 - [Nicola Voiceover] How does the highest profile 683 00:35:26,606 --> 00:35:28,346 prisoner in Victoria get murdered 684 00:35:28,445 --> 00:35:31,465 in the state's most secure facility? 685 00:35:31,565 --> 00:35:32,785 Well, 686 00:35:32,885 --> 00:35:35,025 let's just say it took almost 30 minutes 687 00:35:35,125 --> 00:35:37,125 for the guards to respond. 688 00:35:39,285 --> 00:35:40,345 (instrumental music) 689 00:35:40,445 --> 00:35:43,245 No one ever did time because of Carl Williams. 690 00:35:45,764 --> 00:35:48,024 Mokbel once dubbed Carl 691 00:35:48,124 --> 00:35:50,124 the truth, 692 00:35:51,364 --> 00:35:53,364 smart ass. 693 00:35:55,724 --> 00:35:57,224 So the committal into Paul Dale 694 00:35:57,324 --> 00:35:59,684 and the killing of the Hodson's was never held. 695 00:36:02,923 --> 00:36:04,923 Paul got his life back. 696 00:36:08,323 --> 00:36:10,343 As for me, 697 00:36:10,443 --> 00:36:12,443 I had one last thing to do, 698 00:36:15,323 --> 00:36:16,503 lawyer up. 699 00:36:16,603 --> 00:36:19,723 (instrumental music) 700 00:36:29,962 --> 00:36:31,902 - So we are agreed, 701 00:36:32,002 --> 00:36:36,122 $2.9 million as compensation for loss of future income. 702 00:36:37,961 --> 00:36:39,581 - I was assured that I'd be compensated 703 00:36:39,681 --> 00:36:42,261 for helping Victorian Police, and be left no worse off. 704 00:36:42,361 --> 00:36:44,141 $2.9 million is a bargain. 705 00:36:44,241 --> 00:36:45,581 - We've all heard your arguments, 706 00:36:45,681 --> 00:36:47,501 Ms. Gobbo and accepted the sum. 707 00:36:47,601 --> 00:36:49,601 There's no need for more grandstanding. 708 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,420 It's in the best interest of everyone in this room 709 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,660 that the amount paid and your role 710 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,460 as a police informer is never revealed. 711 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,380 Overriding any personal grievances, 712 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,220 the most important concern for all of us 713 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,460 must be that the public doesn't lose confidence 714 00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:08,419 in our police force or in our judicial system. 715 00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:11,079 So would anyone like to add anything to the record? 716 00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:16,099 - Yes, I wish to add something. 717 00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:19,119 (mysterious music) 718 00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:22,899 When we realized that, Ms. Gobbo must be called 719 00:37:22,998 --> 00:37:26,018 as a witness, Victoria Police immediately 720 00:37:26,118 --> 00:37:28,538 stopped using her as an informer. 721 00:37:28,638 --> 00:37:29,618 I want that on the record. 722 00:37:29,718 --> 00:37:30,618 - So noted. 723 00:37:30,718 --> 00:37:33,218 - And I want it noted, the Victoria Police broke 724 00:37:33,318 --> 00:37:35,598 no laws in using Ms. Gobbo as a source. 725 00:37:37,038 --> 00:37:39,138 The first duty of any officer 726 00:37:39,237 --> 00:37:41,577 is to preserve life and property 727 00:37:41,677 --> 00:37:45,117 that is instilled in us at the outset of our careers. 728 00:37:46,717 --> 00:37:49,857 I was trying to clean up the streets of Melbourne. 729 00:37:49,957 --> 00:37:51,857 That was the right thing to do. 730 00:37:51,957 --> 00:37:53,417 It was my job. 731 00:37:53,517 --> 00:37:55,657 And I did it. 732 00:37:55,756 --> 00:37:58,916 And if I may add, no matter what anyone says, 733 00:37:59,756 --> 00:38:01,736 I was on the side of the angels. 734 00:38:01,836 --> 00:38:04,596 (dramatic music) 735 00:38:06,636 --> 00:38:08,996 - And if I may add for the record, 736 00:38:10,355 --> 00:38:12,615 everything I did was done out of my sense of duty 737 00:38:12,715 --> 00:38:15,655 to serve justice and not help criminals. 738 00:38:15,755 --> 00:38:19,335 I was motivated by altruism rather than personal gain. 739 00:38:19,435 --> 00:38:22,055 Anything told to me about crimes being planned 740 00:38:22,155 --> 00:38:23,815 or committed cannot ever fall under 741 00:38:23,915 --> 00:38:25,935 the protection of legal privilege. 742 00:38:26,035 --> 00:38:27,845 That is just thieves, murderers 743 00:38:27,954 --> 00:38:30,294 and drug dealers complaining. 744 00:38:30,394 --> 00:38:34,174 386 people were arrested because of information I provided. 745 00:38:34,274 --> 00:38:36,494 And $60 million in assets was recovered 746 00:38:36,594 --> 00:38:38,594 by the state of Victoria. 747 00:38:40,554 --> 00:38:42,734 I too was on the side of the angels. 748 00:38:42,833 --> 00:38:45,753 (mysterious music) 749 00:39:03,992 --> 00:39:05,972 - Do you think that, 750 00:39:06,072 --> 00:39:08,252 that they're both on the side of the angels? 751 00:39:08,352 --> 00:39:10,092 - It doesn't matter what I think 752 00:39:10,192 --> 00:39:12,012 you've clearly made up your mind. 753 00:39:12,112 --> 00:39:14,112 - Why do you think she did it? 754 00:39:14,991 --> 00:39:17,411 - I think Nicola liked being in control 755 00:39:17,511 --> 00:39:19,651 and it blew up in her face. 756 00:39:19,751 --> 00:39:21,611 - If this comes out, 757 00:39:21,711 --> 00:39:23,011 informer 3838, 758 00:39:23,111 --> 00:39:25,011 their own lawyer working against them. 759 00:39:25,111 --> 00:39:27,171 Can you imagine the shit-storm? 760 00:39:27,271 --> 00:39:30,371 Crims would be jumping up and down to be set free. 761 00:39:30,471 --> 00:39:32,471 - This will never come out. 762 00:39:34,070 --> 00:39:36,570 ♪ Just looking for a protector ♪ 763 00:39:36,670 --> 00:39:39,290 ♪ God never reached out in time ♪ 764 00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:42,130 ♪ There's love that is a savior ♪ 765 00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:44,890 ♪ But that ain't no love of mine ♪ 766 00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:48,050 ♪ My Love it kills me slowly ♪ 767 00:39:48,149 --> 00:39:50,529 ♪ Slowly, I could die ♪ 768 00:39:50,629 --> 00:39:53,329 ♪ And when she sleeps she hears the blues ♪ 769 00:39:53,429 --> 00:39:58,429 ♪ Sees shades of black and white ♪ 770 00:40:01,069 --> 00:40:03,369 ♪ Got to stay cool you hot, hot head ♪ 771 00:40:03,468 --> 00:40:06,208 ♪ Count to a thousand before you sleep in bed ♪ 772 00:40:06,308 --> 00:40:09,048 ♪ Read the news, pass the time ♪ 773 00:40:09,148 --> 00:40:11,968 ♪ Drink the juice, feeling fine ♪ 774 00:40:12,068 --> 00:40:14,648 ♪ Got to stay cool you hot, hot head ♪ 775 00:40:14,748 --> 00:40:17,368 ♪ Count to a thousand before you sleep in bed ♪ 776 00:40:17,468 --> 00:40:20,208 ♪ Read the news, pass the time ♪ 777 00:40:20,307 --> 00:40:23,767 ♪ Drink the juice, feeling fine ♪ 778 00:40:23,867 --> 00:40:25,927 ♪ At least you're not boring ♪ 779 00:40:26,027 --> 00:40:31,027 ♪ No one wants to feel you this sad ♪ 780 00:40:35,427 --> 00:40:38,247 ♪ Just looking for a protector ♪ 781 00:40:38,346 --> 00:40:40,766 ♪ God never reached out in time ♪ 782 00:40:40,866 --> 00:40:43,606 ♪ There's love, that is a savior ♪ 783 00:40:43,706 --> 00:40:46,286 ♪ That ain't no love of mine ♪ 784 00:40:46,386 --> 00:40:49,446 ♪ My Love it kills me slowly, ♪ 785 00:40:49,546 --> 00:40:52,046 ♪ Slowly I could die ♪ 786 00:40:52,145 --> 00:40:54,805 ♪ And when she sleeps she hears the blues ♪ 787 00:40:54,905 --> 00:40:58,985 ♪ Sees shades of black and white ♪ 788 00:40:59,945 --> 00:41:03,025 (instrumental music) 789 00:41:15,144 --> 00:41:16,764 - Nicola Gobbo. 790 00:41:16,864 --> 00:41:20,024 (instrumental music)