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During the last few years, we've ventured
into a lot of different fields.
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We've had the opportunity to meet
and work with a lot of wonderful people.
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I only hope that we never lose sight
of one thing.
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That it was all started by a mouse.
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♪ Come along and sing the song
And join the jamboree ♪
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♪ M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E ♪
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[Higginbotham] It's magical
to be able to channel
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all of your energy at this character…
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Mickey!
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[Higginbotham] …who we can fill with
all of our hopes and dreams
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and all of our love
and all of the innocence
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that we experience and then
eventually lose and would like back.
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Mickey!
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[chuckles]
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Hi, Mickey. Hi, Mickey! Mickey!
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[no audible dialogue]
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[Goldberg] Mickey was everywhere
when I was a kid.
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He was just, like, part of my DNA.
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[fan] He's plastered over every T-shirt,
every billboard.
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He speaks multiple languages.
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-He's everywhere.
-Everywhere! [chuckles]
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It's overwhelming. Like, leave me alone.
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♪ Who's the lead-- ♪
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Uh, no.
Okay, let's do that again. [laughs]
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What is it about Mickey Mouse?
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He started as this simple character.
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But over time, he gets so big
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that he becomes
this reflection of who we are.
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The good and the bad.
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How's that even possible
with this... [chuckles] ...little mouse?
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[shutter clicks]
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[Disney] The life and ventures
of Mickey Mouse
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have been closely bound up
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with my own personal
and professional life.
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He still speaks for me,
and I still speak for him.
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[sighs]
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Stop it.
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Wore that one the other day.
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Haven't worn that one in a while.
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[Goldberg] When I first got to the studio
to do the Genie in Aladdin,
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I didn't know what to expect with Mickey.
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It felt like he was encased in amber,
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where they don't want to do
anything with him, you know?
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Ah. Here we are. The Hat Building.
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[birds chirping]
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Sometimes people ask,
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"Aren't you unhappy that you're not
on one of the features right now?"
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I said, "I'm getting to animate
Mickey Mouse."
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[laughs]
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Walt used to say, "Don't forget.
It was all started by a mouse."
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So, no matter what we're capable
of doing now,
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Mickey takes us back to our origins.
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[whistling]
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This process of hand-drawn
hasn't really changed for a century.
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You know, the process of drawing
the characters is exactly the same.
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But back when the great Mickey cartoons
were being made,
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the Disney studio had maybe a hundred
animators to do Mickey and his pals.
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These days, to do
a new hand-drawn Mickey project,
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like the one we're starting now,
we have three.
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Me, Mark Henn and Randy Haycock.
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Randy did characters
like Clayton in Tarzan.
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He did a lot of Pocahontas.
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And then Mark Henn
is really known as the princess guy.
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[birds chirping]
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And the list is endless.
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We've always wanted to do something
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where we see
all the different Mickeys together.
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That's never really been seen
in a film before,
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so that's what we're doing
on this project.
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And we're calling it Mickey in a Minute.
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Where he's walking down the hallways
of Disney Animation,
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and he gets sucked into a whirlwind that
sends him through his most iconic moments
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until, finally, he gets spit out
at the end as Steamboat Willie.
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It's going to be a lot of work.
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I mean, basically we're gonna be making
about 1,500 original drawings of Mickey
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for about one minute's worth
of screen time.
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But trust me.
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It'll be worth it. You'll see.
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And this is Mickey as he was designed by
Walt and Ub Iwerks.
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Not exactly the Mickey we recognize today,
but our kind of proto-Mickey.
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And yes, he still had a tail. Whoop.
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There we go.
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[birds chirping]
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[Disney] It was a beautiful farm
in Marceline, Missouri.
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Forty-eight acres.
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My chore was to keep the horse going
around the circle
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and then part of it would be
feeding the cane in the squeezer, you see?
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[Malins] Walt lived here
in Marceline for five years.
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It was a short amount of time.
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But those very few years
were Walt's childhood.
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His family was poor,
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and his father Elias was extremely strict.
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And so art for Walt was an escape.
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Walt would take his drawing materials
and go down to a special tree.
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His dreaming tree.
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[Whitehead] He would spend hours
under that tree just laying in the grass.
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A thing that Walt called "Belly Botany."
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[Malins] I don't know if you've ever laid
in tall grass on a farm,
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but there's a lot that's happening
around you.
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[Whitehead] Whatever happened to run
or crawl or fly by,
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he would quickly try to sketch.
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[bees buzzing]
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[Malins] His little sister told me Walt
would do a series of drawings for her.
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And then he would make a really good story
up to go along with it.
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I can just see those creative juices
happening underneath his tree.
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It was that happy place.
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It was where that spark happened.
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-I love it. Yeah, that looks cool.
-[artist] It's cool. I like that.
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So, like, all the possibilities of what
you would want on your arm,
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why'd you choose Mickey Mouse?
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I feel like blood, sweat and tears
was put into Mickey Mouse by Walt.
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You know, he was dirt poor.
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Dirt poor with, like, a dream.
Just like, "Nope,
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-I believe in that mouse."
-[artist] Right.
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[Uhalley] You get a lot of people
coming in here
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asking about Disney and stuff?
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[artist] Yeah, there's a few.
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DJ, correct me if I'm wrong.
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This was Walt and Roy's studio
in the early '20s?
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Yeah. This is the place.
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I know way too much
about the history of this now, you know?
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With Walt and his brother
starting the Disney Brothers Studio here.
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Walt was chilling right here.
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Right here. [chuckles]
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And now this little, rad dude
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is so imprinted in everybody's brains.
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Like, we all got a weird,
different feeling about him.
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[Uhalley] Mickey Mouse, to me, is light.
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There's, like, a lot of dark in the world.
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Especially nowadays, things do
tend to be getting a little bit darker.
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And he's just keeping hope in the world.
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Yeah!
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[Kern] So, this is the very first,
officially licensed
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Disney book ever published.
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Imaginatively titled, "Mickey Mouse Book."
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Uh, what you've got in here are games.
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Probably the most interesting, though,
is the story of how Mickey meets Walt.
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Falling from Mouse Fairy Land,
crash-landing on Walt's roof.
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Like Santa Claus,
Mickey hops down the chimney,
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and who does he meet in the house?
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None other than Walt Disney himself.
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[Cline] Walt loved to tell tall tales
of the story about how Mickey came to be.
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He told it different versions
over the years himself.
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[interviewer] Walt, you're a man
who's famous for many things,
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not the least of which
is building a better mouse.
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[Disney] Mickey Mouse
hopped out of my mind
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on a train ride from Manhattan
to Hollywood
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at a time when the business fortunes
of my brother, Roy, and myself
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were at lowest ebb and disaster
seemed right around the corner.
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[Gerstein] Walt was in trouble.
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Before Mickey Mouse, Walt and his studio
created Oswald the Lucky Rabbit.
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I'd argue that Oswald is
certainly a lucky rabbit,
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but the luck isn't always good.
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The actual Oswald contract does not give
Walt Disney the rights to that character.
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And so, Walt Disney
was pushed out of the equation.
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It's all about that mythological moment
when he's on the train.
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And he's been told his entire studio
has been hired away from him,
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that Oswald doesn't belong to him anymore,
and it's crushing.
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But out of that comes hope.
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He said, "Okay, we've lost everything.
Let's start again."
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[Higginbotham] Over the years,
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with the retelling of that story
on the train,
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over and over again,
and the different inflections,
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it becomes myth.
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This is mythmaking.
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Walt realizes the importance
of linking himself to that mouse.
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They're developing at the same time.
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[Goldberg] Legend has it that,
on that train,
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Walt wanted to call Mickey
"Mortimer Mouse,"
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but his wife, Lillian,
suggested "Mickey Mouse."
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I think that's probably one
of the most important decisions
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anybody ever made for a character.
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But they still had
a few Oswalds to produce,
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so they couldn't necessarily
broadcast it far and wide
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that they were gonna be working on
a new character.
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So that very first Mickey Mouse short
was made in their garage.
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Walt had to turn to the people
that he trusted the most.
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[Kern] Of course, you have Ub Iwerks,
Walt's lead animator.
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Walt and Ub complemented each other.
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You know, Ub could do things
that Walt could not.
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First of all, animate like a demon.
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It was said
he could do 700 drawings a day,
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which is unbelievable.
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[Gerstein] Ub Iwerks, meanwhile,
remembered a different scenario
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where Walt came back on the train
and said, "We need a new character."
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And they tried out various animals
and settled on a mouse.
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Either way, there's this famous sheet
of different designs of Mickey.
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And two of them are circled.
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[Porter] Does it matter if Mickey was
created on a train
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or at an animator's desk?
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What matters is that
hope-from-despair story
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that we can all resonate with and go,
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"You know what? Yeah, I gotta pick
myself back up by my bootstraps
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and keep going,
because if Walt can do it, I can do it."
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[Disney] In so precarious a world
of new possibilities
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and increased competition,
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I'd planned to go all out on sound.
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And those plans came very near
spelling a major disaster for us.
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[Goldberg] Mickey was not
an overnight success.
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Walt had made two cartoons prior
to Steamboat Willie,
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Plane Crazy and Gallopin' Gaucho.
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And he couldn't find
a distributor for them.
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Then came a very important breakthrough.
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[Goldberg] In 1927, as sound came in,
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he set out to make the first sync-sound
cartoon this country had ever seen.
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[Disney] To launch
our picture impressively,
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I'd hired a full New York orchestra with
a famous director to do the recording.
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The upshot was that I had
to borrow on my automobile,
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and Roy and I had to mortgage
our homes as well,
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to cover the cost of that first
synchronization for Steamboat Willie.
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And everybody had to synchronize.
Hit that thing right on the button.
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And we had--
We had a way of doing it though.
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We had a little-- kind of a little beat
that worked up and down.
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They were all musicians working for me,
so they could follow those beats,
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and when it came to a certain number
of beats, they would go... [yelps]
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Or they would go bang!
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Or they would go this, or they would pop
one of these popguns, you know?
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[Disney] And when it was finished,
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the picture wouldn't synchronize
with the sound.
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And we had to do it all over.
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Finally, when all of those
elements came together,
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that put Mickey into the stratosphere.
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[whistling]
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[Higginbotham] It had to be this thing
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that you would never forget
the experience of having.
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[Disney] It hit. It hit with a bang.
It was a hell of a success.
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[Higginbotham] And nothing
would ever be the same after that.
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[Haycock] With Steamboat Willie,
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people would probably just be floored
by what they saw, you know?
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When this movie came out,
there was nothing like this ever done.
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And once in a while, in our lifetime,
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we see a movie like that
and it changes everything.
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I mean, for me in my childhood,
it was, like, Star Wars.
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And I think Steamboat Willie
probably had a similar impact.
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[Goldberg] Mickey became
a movie star on the same plane
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as Douglas Fairbanks or Charlie Chaplin.
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He was somebody
they went to the movies to see.
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-[sighs]
-[cheering]
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And as his character developed,
he became a rescuer to Minnie Mouse…
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Take it easy. You're all right.
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[Goldberg] …a hero stacked up
against Peg Leg Pete…
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and a very resourceful character.
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It's no accident that Walt Disney
was the first voice of Mickey Mouse.
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Yeah. [chuckles] It's me, I guess.
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[Norman] The optimist.
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The curious kid who never grew up.
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The guy who was intrepid,
who never let anything stand in his way.
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That's Mickey Mouse,
but that's also Walt Disney.
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[Goldberg] And in a way,
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Mickey's earliest cartoons are really
from Walt's memories as a farm boy.
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[Porter] Walt poured himself
into this character,
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and the character embodies
Walt Disney himself.
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So, you cannot separate the two.
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[Gerstein] In the early shorts,
there was a sense of adventure.
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A sense of Walt doing something exciting
that somebody else wasn't doing.
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Fairbanks and Chaplin were such fans
that they both made arrangements
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that several of their films be paired with
Mickey Mouse shorts at their premieres.
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[jazz playing]
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♪ What? ♪
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♪ No Mickey Mouse ♪
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♪ What kind of a party is this? ♪
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[Goldberg] "What? No Mickey Mouse?"
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was the complaint of people going
to a movie theater and realizing,
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"They're not showing a Mickey Mouse
cartoon. What's wrong with you people?"
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[Cline] He really was a sensation,
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and the merchandise showed up everywhere.
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That was a brand-new thing.
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And there were a couple of companies
that were on the verge of bankruptcy,
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and Mickey Mouse actually saved
those companies from disappearing.
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What would another culture
from another planet think of us
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seeing Mickey on everything?
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They might say, "Take me to your leader,"
and it would be Mickey. [laughs]
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Let me get this out of the way.
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And here it is, folks. Mouse Heaven.
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I collect images that embody a life force.
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Now, the more abstract they are, the more
they're imbued with that life force.
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Because often it's just the bare essence.
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So you can clothe it in anything
your imagination can bring forth.
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Which kind of gets us up to Mickey.
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Mickey is pure, absolute geometry,
made up of nothing but circles.
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This total abstraction
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is probably the most universal symbol
ever created by man or mouse.
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Three simple circles,
a quarter and two dimes.
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And it's recognizable the world over.
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What I've collected is simply
the history of this phenomenon.
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So, I think, if an archaeologist was
to find this place
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in the far, far distant future,
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they would be convinced that this
was a shrine to the great god Mickey.
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Welcome to Earth.
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I have to tell you about this mouse
that will change your life.
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-He's a mouse. [chuckles]
-That wears clothes though.
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White gloves, black fur,
I guess it would be.
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Red pants. Yellow shoes.
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Big ears, you know?
And he's always smiling.
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He has a very particular voice.
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Oh, boy! [chuckles]
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He has a girlfriend, Minnie.
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He likes Minnie. I know that. [chuckles]
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I think that they're dating
because there's no ring on them.
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And then his other friends are Daisy…
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Goofy, Donald…
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Oh, and he has a dog named Pluto.
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Not to be confused with Goofy,
because Goofy is also sort of a dog,
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but he's more of a dog-man.
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Um, and that's just the world
we're living in.
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Ha-ha, everybody. [chuckles]
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[in Spanish]
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Mickey Mouse.
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Mickey Mouse.
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[in Spanish]
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[in English]
Mickey and I just became inseparable.
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[fan] We love a mouse. How crazy is that?
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That's a little absurd.
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Lay down!
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Get up!
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-Speak!
-[barking]
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[reporter] In the world's film capital
is the studio that stands as a monument
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to the great genius of Walt Disney,
master of a new form of popular art that…
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That extra revenue
from the Mickey Mouse merchandise
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really allowed the studio
to experiment and improve.
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[Disney] First thing I did
when I got a little money,
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we set up our own art school.
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Art schools that existed then
worked with the static figure.
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Now, we were dealing in motion,
movement and the flow of movement.
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The flow of things, you know?
Action. Reaction. All of that.
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I put all my artists back in school.
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And out of that school would come the
artists that now make up my staff here.
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And more than that,
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the artists that make up most
all of the cartoon outfits in Hollywood.
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[Kern] Mickey has taken the world
by storm.
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The great thinkers,
the great artists are all stepping back
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and acknowledging that this
is something otherworldly and important.
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What is the power behind this character?
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Yoo-hoo!
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[Goldberg] I think Mickey appeals
for a lot of different reasons.
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But if I had to pick one,
it's the way he moves.
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It's how he does things
that make him compelling to watch.
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He has a spirit to him, dating all
the way back to Steamboat Willie,
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that is playful, inventive,
resourceful and fun.
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But his imperfections are as much
a part of his character as anything else.
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Mickey wasn't perfect,
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but he would always find a resourceful way
to get out of situations.
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[screaming]
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Minnie!
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[Goldberg] His movement is defining
who he is.
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And that is what the Disney Studio
has specialized in ever since.
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You're not just creating movement
for movement's sake.
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You're creating movement that defines
that individual's personality.
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-♪ Mickey ♪
-♪ Minnie ♪
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-♪ La, la, la, la, la, la ♪
-♪ La, la, la, la, la, la ♪
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[crying]
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[Cline] People tend to forget that
Mickey Mouse started in the Roaring '20s.
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But almost immediately,
the Depression fell on the United States.
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[reporter] America,
the land of shattered dreams.
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A place of deep despair and real fear.
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Millions of Americans homeless, hungry,
and without hope.
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[bell clanging]
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Because of the crisis,
the majority of kids
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were spending their time without parents.
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They were left free
to do what they wanted during the day.
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And movies were the cheapest
entertainment you could get for a child.
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So if you're a kid,
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the one thing you could
be guaranteed of was a Saturday matinee.
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It was the highlight of your week.
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Yoo-hoo, Mickey!
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Yoo-hoo!
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[Sendak] I fell in love with Mickey
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because I went to the movies almost
every day with my sister and brother.
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And you had a double feature
and a cartoon in the middle,
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so you were there for hours
out of the hands of your parents.
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And there's the cartoon,
and when I saw that cartoon--
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First the big head would appear
with radiant lights coming out of it.
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I remember my sister saying,
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"We knew it was coming,
and Jackie would grab you by one arm,
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and I would grab you by the other arm,
and you went into a frenzy."
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[Henn] Wow.
I get the goose bumps every time.
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Mickey becomes the icon of how
to truly survive the Great Depression.
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The American dream has suffered.
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But Mickey is able to bring that back.
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He's able to return us to a sense
of perseverance.
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[Kern] There was no other character
having that grip on a mass conscience.
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That popularity spins out into things
like the Mickey Mouse clubs,
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where kids could get together
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and watch Mickey cartoons together
and laugh together.
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[laughter]
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[announcer] And now they're all waiting
for Mickey himself.
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Here he comes!
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[chattering]
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Mickey weathers the Depression,
but he's got to change and transform.
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Because America and Mickey,
they change together.
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[footsteps approaching]
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[Carney] There's almost a hundred years
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of Disney Animation history
within this building.
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We have approximately 65 million pieces
of art in our collection.
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And every box holds a spark of creativity.
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So, here you've got Steamboat Willie.
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[Deja] Ah. That's a nice one.
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[Carney] Mickey as he's falling
in the soap bucket.
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Yeah, and it's so, so simple.
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You look at the hands--
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They almost look
like just little pinwheels.
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-And just--
-[Deja] Yeah.
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It's the spirit of Mickey,
just really simplified to an essence.
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[Carney] You'll be able to see
an evolution of Mickey here.
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-So, we've gone five years later.
-Mm-hmm.
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[Deja] Oh, yeah.
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[Carney] You can see there's
a little bit more to him.
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It's the same character, but you can tell
that a different animator did this.
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[Carney] Mm-hmm.
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[Deja] The hands, for example.
They added the white gloves.
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[Goldberg] And this Mickey
is just that much more
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three-dimensional and organic.
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You would take an animator's drawing
of Mickey,
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put it on your light box,
and then improve it.
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Whoop.
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Improve it by making that pose stronger,
making that line of action more defined.
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00:30:46,848 --> 00:30:52,937
But there's still something personal in it
that you're bringing to the table.
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The very first animation I did here at
the studio back in 19-- [stammers]
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We won't talk about that.
It was a long time ago.
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But the very first animation I did
was Mickey Mouse.
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I felt it then,
and I feel it now with this short.
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And we're able to keep him alive,
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and we're doing it in the way
that Mickey should be done.
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00:31:19,505 --> 00:31:22,258
I don't know if I can flip this
'cause the papers are kind of thin.
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00:31:24,635 --> 00:31:27,263
The character of Mickey,
the personality of Mickey--
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Being hand-drawn is part of who he is.
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And if people recognize that, you know,
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there will always be a reason for us
to keep drawing him.
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[whirring]
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And those early animators,
as crude as it was,
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they were discovering the language
of animation.
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00:31:49,202 --> 00:31:50,369
[interviewer] Well, Walt,
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how is Snow White
and the Seven Dwarfs coming along?
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[Disney] Oh, it's come along very well.
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Going to run for one hour and a half.
436
00:31:58,378 --> 00:32:00,755
No cartoon production
has ever run that long before.
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00:32:01,339 --> 00:32:04,467
That's why we feel justified
in putting one million dollars into it.
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[Kaufman] In terms of animation,
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Mickey opened a lot of doors for Walt,
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and Walt was always looking for new doors.
441
00:32:13,059 --> 00:32:15,895
[interviewer] You know, it makes me dizzy
to think of the millions of drawings
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necessary for a production of this kind.
443
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[Nilsen] Disney needs to expand hugely.
444
00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:27,240
And so, the studio goes
from a small group to 300 people.
445
00:32:27,323 --> 00:32:30,618
And that change really transforms
the studio.
446
00:32:31,953 --> 00:32:35,581
No longer can Walt be involved
in every Mickey short.
447
00:32:35,665 --> 00:32:38,876
His entire focus shifts over
to Snow White.
448
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:43,756
[Kaufman] Snow White was not taking place
in the same universe that Mickey lived in.
449
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:44,841
[barking]
450
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But at the same time,
Mickey never goes away.
451
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He's always right there by Walt's side
whenever he takes on a new enthusiasm.
452
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[Pelayo] Mickey Mouse is probably
the most difficult character to ink
453
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because of all the curves.
454
00:33:08,823 --> 00:33:11,701
That's the most difficult part of inking
is inking circles.
455
00:33:11,784 --> 00:33:14,662
And Mickey Mouse is full of circles.
456
00:33:24,797 --> 00:33:29,594
Your job as an inker is translating
the animator's work onto the cel.
457
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You don't have any room
to go outside of that.
458
00:33:32,764 --> 00:33:35,683
Because if you do that,
you change their intention.
459
00:33:35,767 --> 00:33:38,227
You change their work.
460
00:33:41,189 --> 00:33:44,650
They say it takes about 15 years
of consistent inking--
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eight hours a day, five times a week,
for 15 years-- to become a master inker.
462
00:33:50,948 --> 00:33:53,951
There's only a few of us
in the Ink and Paint department now,
463
00:33:54,035 --> 00:33:58,122
but it used to be hundreds,
and for a long time, it was all women.
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[reporter]
The thousands of pencil drawings
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go to the inking department.
466
00:34:01,375 --> 00:34:03,628
Here, hundreds of pretty girls
cover the drawings
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with sheets of transparent celluloid.
468
00:34:05,421 --> 00:34:09,175
Then they painstakingly trace every line
of every drawing in ink,
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following exactly, in every detail,
the original animation drawing.
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00:34:12,970 --> 00:34:16,641
[Johnson] The role of the inkers
and painters gets glossed over
471
00:34:16,724 --> 00:34:21,562
into this log-line of pretty girls
who traced and colored.
472
00:34:23,022 --> 00:34:27,485
When what they were accomplishing
was mind-blowing.
473
00:34:28,861 --> 00:34:31,239
These women were artists
in their own right.
474
00:34:31,948 --> 00:34:33,533
[reporter] In the studio paint laboratory,
475
00:34:33,616 --> 00:34:36,369
all colors used
are made up from secret formulas.
476
00:34:36,452 --> 00:34:40,456
Expert chemists developed more
than 1500 different shades of color
477
00:34:40,540 --> 00:34:42,375
for Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
478
00:34:50,508 --> 00:34:55,430
[Johnson] Color forever transforms
the world of Mickey Mouse.
479
00:34:57,849 --> 00:35:00,810
[Pelayo] Pastel is his flesh. His tongue.
480
00:35:00,893 --> 00:35:03,855
Marigold, his shoes. Lobster, his pants.
481
00:35:05,189 --> 00:35:07,358
We are not really brushing.
482
00:35:08,067 --> 00:35:14,449
It's actually dropping a glob of paint,
and then we just push it to the edges,
483
00:35:14,532 --> 00:35:18,536
because we wanna make the paint
look as opaque as possible.
484
00:35:21,706 --> 00:35:24,041
When I'm inking or painting Mickey Mouse,
485
00:35:24,125 --> 00:35:27,879
it just takes me back
to when Walt first created Mickey.
486
00:35:35,219 --> 00:35:38,723
So now that we're done with it,
this is what it looks like from the front.
487
00:35:44,228 --> 00:35:46,189
All ready, Uncle Mickey?
488
00:35:46,272 --> 00:35:47,982
Okay, let's go.
489
00:35:51,277 --> 00:35:52,528
[snoring]
490
00:35:52,612 --> 00:35:55,823
[Nilsen] Once Mickey becomes
an international children's star,
491
00:35:55,907 --> 00:35:57,700
there's certain things he cannot do.
492
00:35:59,452 --> 00:36:01,370
[Gerstein] Parents of Mickey's
younger viewers
493
00:36:01,454 --> 00:36:05,083
wanted Mickey to clean up his act
and not be as bad an influence.
494
00:36:05,166 --> 00:36:07,085
[high-pitched babbling]
495
00:36:07,168 --> 00:36:10,421
[Nilsen] He can't be a bully.
He can't punch people.
496
00:36:10,505 --> 00:36:15,259
He can't behave in any way
that would be considered bad behavior.
497
00:36:17,136 --> 00:36:19,555
[Gerstein] It pushed Mickey
into a straight man role,
498
00:36:20,348 --> 00:36:23,101
where almost any kind of flaw
499
00:36:23,184 --> 00:36:26,979
is seen as out of character.
500
00:36:27,063 --> 00:36:29,065
[applause]
501
00:36:29,899 --> 00:36:33,027
And so, Donald Duck appears.
502
00:36:33,111 --> 00:36:35,905
[Donald Duck cackling]
503
00:36:38,408 --> 00:36:40,159
Aw, phooey!
504
00:36:40,827 --> 00:36:45,164
[Disney] The duck came along as a result
of too many taboos put onto Mickey Mouse.
505
00:36:45,832 --> 00:36:49,001
People didn't feel that Mickey
could blow his top like the duck.
506
00:36:49,085 --> 00:36:51,170
He had to maintain a certain dignity.
507
00:36:54,549 --> 00:36:57,301
So, in order to give ourselves a latitude,
508
00:36:57,385 --> 00:36:59,595
we created
this terrible-tempered Mr. Duck.
509
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:00,680
[grunting]
510
00:37:00,763 --> 00:37:03,307
♪ Who gets stuck with all the bad luck? ♪
511
00:37:03,391 --> 00:37:06,185
♪ No one but Donald Duck ♪
512
00:37:06,269 --> 00:37:07,478
[grunts]
513
00:37:09,105 --> 00:37:10,857
Get out of here! Get out of here!
514
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:13,609
[Gerstein] Story after story
was rejected for Mickey
515
00:37:13,693 --> 00:37:16,779
because he was perceived
as being a little bit too silly in them.
516
00:37:18,823 --> 00:37:22,493
[Deja] They found out Mickey is probably
best paired with Donald and Goofy.
517
00:37:22,577 --> 00:37:24,203
[laughs] A moose!
518
00:37:24,287 --> 00:37:25,288
A moose!
519
00:37:25,371 --> 00:37:26,748
And have this little trio.
520
00:37:26,831 --> 00:37:31,335
Hot dog! Now do your stuff.
I'll take care of the rest.
521
00:37:31,419 --> 00:37:34,464
[Deja] There are many great ones
that include the three of them
522
00:37:34,547 --> 00:37:38,509
that work well 'cause their
personalities rub off against each other.
523
00:37:38,593 --> 00:37:40,178
Lend a hand, me hearties!
524
00:37:40,261 --> 00:37:41,763
[both] Aye, aye, Captain!
525
00:37:42,889 --> 00:37:44,515
[screams] What's the big idea?
526
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:48,436
[Kaufman] But it became evident
that Donald is getting Mickey's anger
527
00:37:49,353 --> 00:37:52,023
and Goofy gets Mickey's silly side.
528
00:37:53,524 --> 00:37:57,528
And if Mickey is the responsible one,
he pretty much has to take a back seat.
529
00:37:59,697 --> 00:38:01,616
But then where does that leave Mickey?
530
00:38:19,175 --> 00:38:21,844
[Haycock] This part of the short
that I'm animating
531
00:38:21,928 --> 00:38:24,347
is from the Brave Little Tailor.
532
00:38:26,474 --> 00:38:27,850
[whistles]
533
00:38:29,477 --> 00:38:30,895
[grunting]
534
00:38:30,978 --> 00:38:33,189
He's trying to get his arm out
of his sleeve.
535
00:38:33,272 --> 00:38:34,315
Can't get it.
536
00:38:34,816 --> 00:38:38,444
And then that's when Mickey
comes in to his arm right here.
537
00:38:40,154 --> 00:38:45,034
Then I gotta get all that done
in 297 frames.
538
00:38:45,118 --> 00:38:48,162
So I've only got a hundred frames
to get the rest of it. [chuckles]
539
00:38:52,417 --> 00:38:56,295
I think I was here 25 years
before I actually animated Mickey.
540
00:38:56,963 --> 00:38:59,841
And it seems a shame because,
you know, if you work at Disney,
541
00:39:00,550 --> 00:39:03,094
you should be animating Mickey
all the time, I'd think.
542
00:39:04,804 --> 00:39:08,683
When Eric gave me the sections
that I was gonna do, I got really excited
543
00:39:08,766 --> 00:39:12,061
because that was my favorite Mickey
that made me wanna be an animator.
544
00:39:12,145 --> 00:39:16,149
They came at me from the right.
Then the left. Right, left, left, right!
545
00:39:16,232 --> 00:39:19,485
[Haycock] So that was exciting
and intimidating all at the same time.
546
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:27,076
[Henn] As Mickey evolved,
what used to be his eye,
547
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,831
when you get to Fantasia,
just became this little thing here
548
00:39:31,914 --> 00:39:34,459
and so you would end up with the pupils.
549
00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:36,836
[Haycock] Fantasia Mickey's important
550
00:39:36,919 --> 00:39:40,131
because with the whites of his eyes
like this,
551
00:39:40,214 --> 00:39:42,925
it made him a lot more expressive.
552
00:39:43,009 --> 00:39:45,553
And I'm gonna stretch his ears
a little more here
553
00:39:45,636 --> 00:39:50,433
because he just became
a little more pliable from this point on.
554
00:40:02,987 --> 00:40:09,077
We wouldn't have a Fantasia if it weren't
for Walt's concern for Mickey Mouse.
555
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,915
He was worried that Donald and Goofy
were overtaking Mickey's popularity,
556
00:40:14,749 --> 00:40:20,171
and he wanted a vehicle to bring Mickey
back in the limelight again.
557
00:40:21,631 --> 00:40:27,762
And so originally, Fantasia was just going
to be The Sorcerer's Apprentice short,
558
00:40:27,845 --> 00:40:34,352
and it then blossomed
into an entire innovative feature film
559
00:40:34,435 --> 00:40:36,896
that's still never been equaled.
560
00:40:38,815 --> 00:40:41,192
[Kern] Fantasia is something
that was a huge gamble.
561
00:40:42,318 --> 00:40:44,028
You have so many different styles.
562
00:40:44,862 --> 00:40:46,906
It's something that,
in theory, shouldn't work.
563
00:40:48,074 --> 00:40:50,284
[reporter] The greatest thrill
of his acting career happened
564
00:40:50,368 --> 00:40:53,204
on the night of November 13th, 1940
565
00:40:53,287 --> 00:40:57,125
at the same theater where he made
his first appearance as a ragged,
566
00:40:57,208 --> 00:40:59,836
shoeless mouse almost ten years before.
567
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:27,280
[Deja] Some of the old animators said that
when they heard that Walt wanted Mickey
568
00:41:27,363 --> 00:41:31,576
to be on this rock conducting
the universe,
569
00:41:31,659 --> 00:41:33,703
they thought he'd gotten kinda crazy
570
00:41:33,786 --> 00:41:35,955
'cause Mickey Mouse, after all,
is a cartoon character.
571
00:41:36,038 --> 00:41:37,457
You don't conduct the universe.
572
00:41:46,674 --> 00:41:49,052
Mickey conducting the universe
you can translate
573
00:41:49,135 --> 00:41:53,514
to Walt conducting his own universe
'cause by that time his company had grown,
574
00:41:53,598 --> 00:41:56,893
and thousands and thousands
of people were working at the studio.
575
00:41:58,853 --> 00:42:00,688
So I think Walt became Mickey then.
576
00:42:12,158 --> 00:42:14,619
[Goldberg] There's some scenes
in Sorcerer's Apprentice
577
00:42:14,702 --> 00:42:19,082
where he knows he's screwed up
in front of the sorcerer.
578
00:42:19,165 --> 00:42:22,210
The subtlety that they get on his face,
579
00:42:23,044 --> 00:42:29,550
I think that's where the character
hit his absolute peak of perfection.
580
00:42:32,303 --> 00:42:36,808
[Kaufman] Artistically, Walt achieved
everything he wanted to with Fantasia.
581
00:42:38,893 --> 00:42:42,688
But when the movie came out,
it was a failure.
582
00:42:42,772 --> 00:42:45,316
Artistic success, financial failure,
you know?
583
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,652
[interviewer] Certainly an artistic
success. It was a magnificent--
584
00:42:47,735 --> 00:42:51,030
Well, there's-- Some people would,
uh, would question that too.
585
00:42:53,241 --> 00:42:57,745
[Birnkrant] Fantasia was
Mickey's culmination and his termination.
586
00:42:58,579 --> 00:43:02,834
That sorcerer swatted him with the broom,
and he scurried off of the stage,
587
00:43:02,917 --> 00:43:05,086
and he never quite came back again.
588
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,131
[Mickey] Well, so long! I'll be seeing ya!
589
00:43:22,019 --> 00:43:24,230
[Norman] The story of Walt and Mickey
590
00:43:24,313 --> 00:43:27,608
wasn't just one continual
success after success.
591
00:43:27,692 --> 00:43:30,611
It was stumble after stumble,
failure after failure.
592
00:43:31,362 --> 00:43:36,117
But Walt believed that if he worked hard
enough, he could overcome every obstacle.
593
00:43:39,871 --> 00:43:42,248
[Kaufman] There are two main animators
594
00:43:42,331 --> 00:43:44,834
who were really, really important
in Mickey's life,
595
00:43:45,501 --> 00:43:48,838
Ub Iwerks and Fred Moore.
596
00:43:50,006 --> 00:43:54,010
It was Moore who redesigned
the mouse more than once,
597
00:43:54,844 --> 00:43:59,557
and after Fantasia, the studio
is talking in terms of a comeback.
598
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,978
[Goldberg] From Fantasia,
Freddie Moore took him even further
599
00:44:04,062 --> 00:44:06,731
for even more fluidity
600
00:44:07,315 --> 00:44:08,858
and more character.
601
00:44:11,527 --> 00:44:13,738
[Kaufman] They gave him a loose,
rangy kind of movement,
602
00:44:13,821 --> 00:44:16,449
and they had him
deliberately clowning around.
603
00:44:17,033 --> 00:44:22,163
Everything's kind of working
to this S curve here.
604
00:44:22,246 --> 00:44:23,998
I'll clean up your yard. [chuckles]
605
00:44:24,082 --> 00:44:26,209
All right. But no more clowning.
606
00:44:26,292 --> 00:44:29,003
They were trying
to make Mickey funny again.
607
00:44:29,087 --> 00:44:31,923
You know? Let him play a clown
once in a while,
608
00:44:32,006 --> 00:44:36,469
like when he's doing his goofy dance
in Mickey's Birthday Party,
609
00:44:36,552 --> 00:44:40,515
or when he's raking up leaves
in The Little Whirlwind, you know?
610
00:44:40,598 --> 00:44:46,938
It's okay for him to make mistakes or
act foolish once in a while in that year.
611
00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:52,902
The movement, the organic qualities,
612
00:44:52,985 --> 00:44:57,073
the fluidity of the animation
was never better.
613
00:44:59,117 --> 00:45:02,495
They could do with Mickey… anything.
614
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:10,753
[Kaufman] This new Mickey seemed
to hold the promise of
615
00:45:10,837 --> 00:45:15,133
freeing him from that role of being
the serious, responsible one all the time.
616
00:45:15,216 --> 00:45:16,426
[flute playing]
617
00:45:17,593 --> 00:45:20,513
[Goldberg] But that version
of Mickey didn't last long.
618
00:45:20,596 --> 00:45:23,933
♪ Heigh-ho
Heigh-ho, heigh-ho, heigh-ho ♪
619
00:45:24,016 --> 00:45:27,270
♪ Heigh-ho
We all must help, you know? ♪
620
00:45:27,353 --> 00:45:30,982
♪ We'll win the war with five for four
Heigh-ho ♪
621
00:45:32,483 --> 00:45:36,738
♪ Heigh-ho
We all must help, you know? ♪
622
00:45:36,821 --> 00:45:40,366
♪ We'll win the war with five for four
Heigh-ho ♪
623
00:45:41,784 --> 00:45:44,203
[narrator 1] The whole world is aflame.
624
00:45:44,287 --> 00:45:48,624
All the peoples of the United Nations are
fighting the savage enemies of freedom.
625
00:45:50,585 --> 00:45:53,087
[narrator 2]
In Hollywood, Walt Disney has turned over
626
00:45:53,171 --> 00:45:55,631
almost the entire facilities of his studio
627
00:45:55,715 --> 00:45:58,593
for the production
of Army and Navy instructional films.
628
00:45:58,676 --> 00:46:01,137
Four, eight, sequence one. Let her roll.
629
00:46:02,013 --> 00:46:04,098
[Kern]
Walt, being the patriot that he was,
630
00:46:04,182 --> 00:46:06,684
supported whatever the government
and the military wanted…
631
00:46:06,768 --> 00:46:09,103
[narrator 3]
Don't throw away that bacon grease.
632
00:46:09,187 --> 00:46:12,982
Fats make glycerin
and glycerin makes explosives.
633
00:46:13,483 --> 00:46:17,612
[Kern] …whether that was creating shorts
for home front or propaganda purposes…
634
00:46:17,695 --> 00:46:20,198
[narrator 4]
Will our own cities and homes be bombed?
635
00:46:20,782 --> 00:46:23,993
[Kern] …or training films
and educational films for the military.
636
00:46:24,077 --> 00:46:27,497
[narrator 5] If the bolt is pulled back,
the magazine's free…
637
00:46:27,580 --> 00:46:29,373
[Kern] They were designing insignia
638
00:46:29,457 --> 00:46:32,085
for different military and auxiliary units
around the world.
639
00:46:32,168 --> 00:46:33,836
Over twelve hundred were made.
640
00:46:35,338 --> 00:46:37,548
You have groups writing
to the studio, saying,
641
00:46:37,632 --> 00:46:40,301
"We want Mickey to help
get us through this."
642
00:46:42,011 --> 00:46:44,722
[Nilsen] Before the war,
Hitler liked Mickey,
643
00:46:44,806 --> 00:46:48,851
Mussolini loved Mickey,
Hirohito loved Mickey.
644
00:46:48,935 --> 00:46:52,688
But when America enters war,
Mickey ends up banned.
645
00:46:55,149 --> 00:46:58,611
[Disney] The little fellow's grin
was too infectious for Nazism.
646
00:46:58,694 --> 00:47:00,696
Hitler thunderingly forbade his people
647
00:47:00,780 --> 00:47:05,118
to wear the then-popular Mickey Mouse
button in place of the swastika.
648
00:47:05,618 --> 00:47:07,954
[Nilsen]
Hitler understood what Mickey symbolized.
649
00:47:09,330 --> 00:47:13,543
Independence, liberty, freedom.
650
00:47:14,168 --> 00:47:16,295
America is Mickey.
651
00:47:21,634 --> 00:47:24,387
[officer]
Commando Duck, here are your orders.
652
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:27,390
You'll parachute at position D-4.
653
00:47:27,473 --> 00:47:28,683
[slide whistle plays]
654
00:47:28,766 --> 00:47:31,686
[Nilsen] But with the wartime shorts
that are produced to create morale,
655
00:47:31,769 --> 00:47:34,772
almost all of those are done
by Donald Duck.
656
00:47:34,856 --> 00:47:37,275
[trumpets playing]
657
00:47:38,693 --> 00:47:43,030
[Kern] Mickey's presence in World War II
tended to rely on the home front.
658
00:47:43,114 --> 00:47:46,200
You see him on support posters,
659
00:47:46,284 --> 00:47:47,744
getting people to carpool,
660
00:47:47,827 --> 00:47:49,746
rationing, selling war bonds,
661
00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:54,000
supporting the war effort
not from the front line but at home.
662
00:47:54,917 --> 00:47:58,212
If you were a child at that point in time
or a family,
663
00:47:58,296 --> 00:48:02,467
who better to look to than Mickey Mouse
for that sense of comfort?
664
00:48:06,596 --> 00:48:08,264
[Nilsen] But you, as a creator,
665
00:48:08,973 --> 00:48:11,142
don't control
what happens to your products.
666
00:48:11,225 --> 00:48:13,478
You don't control what happens
to your characters.
667
00:48:14,479 --> 00:48:18,524
And so, when wartime came,
Mickey was already there.
668
00:48:26,908 --> 00:48:31,746
There was a village in Poland in which the
entire village was destroyed by the Nazis.
669
00:48:33,372 --> 00:48:37,460
And there are images left
from that village
670
00:48:37,543 --> 00:48:42,715
that create a collection of the life
of the village before the horror.
671
00:48:46,511 --> 00:48:49,055
And in one of the photographs is Mickey.
672
00:48:53,226 --> 00:48:56,145
And it's a shocking image
within the Holocaust museum
673
00:48:56,229 --> 00:49:00,566
to see this-- this being, Mickey Mouse,
creating pleasure for this community
674
00:49:00,650 --> 00:49:02,485
right on the cusp of the war.
675
00:49:07,281 --> 00:49:10,868
Children in the camps were dressed up
in Mickey Mouse costume,
676
00:49:11,661 --> 00:49:15,915
staging Mickey Mouse plays,
drawing images of Mickey Mouse.
677
00:49:17,667 --> 00:49:23,089
There was actually a comic strip written
by someone in the camps,
678
00:49:24,298 --> 00:49:28,469
which covered the daily life through
the perspective of Mickey Mouse.
679
00:49:29,804 --> 00:49:36,394
And at the end, he erases Mickey and says,
"Mickey's gone back to America."
680
00:49:36,477 --> 00:49:39,439
And the person who drew
the comic strip was then killed.
681
00:49:41,065 --> 00:49:46,946
Mickey was in the Holocaust because Mickey
represented the possibility of escape,
682
00:49:47,572 --> 00:49:49,532
of joy, of happiness.
683
00:49:50,116 --> 00:49:54,746
And those dictators understood very well
that was not what they were offering.
684
00:49:57,540 --> 00:49:59,041
[snare drum playing]
685
00:50:02,420 --> 00:50:05,339
[Kern] We kind of have to think
of Mickey as, like, before World War II
686
00:50:05,423 --> 00:50:06,841
and then after World War II.
687
00:50:06,924 --> 00:50:08,760
It's two very different careers.
688
00:50:11,345 --> 00:50:13,056
-Well, here we are, Pluto.
-[barks]
689
00:50:13,139 --> 00:50:15,058
Boy, what a dream place.
690
00:50:15,141 --> 00:50:19,353
Come on, Your Highness.
[chuckles] Utopia is yours.
691
00:50:19,437 --> 00:50:21,022
[barking]
692
00:50:21,564 --> 00:50:23,775
[birds chirping]
693
00:50:24,567 --> 00:50:26,778
[narrator] This migration to the suburbs,
694
00:50:26,861 --> 00:50:30,073
variously estimated as
from 40 to 80 million people.
695
00:50:30,740 --> 00:50:33,743
[Nilsen] Many people complain about
the post-war Mickeys
696
00:50:33,826 --> 00:50:37,830
being domesticated, but Walt Disney
is a very different person.
697
00:50:38,498 --> 00:50:43,378
Walt has a suburban house,
has a very set, conservative life, really.
698
00:50:44,712 --> 00:50:48,216
And he's a person now
who's gone through nervous breakdowns,
699
00:50:48,299 --> 00:50:51,427
possibilities of financial ruin, a strike.
700
00:50:51,511 --> 00:50:53,513
He gets involved in HUAC
701
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:57,100
and that changes the Mickey we know.
702
00:50:57,850 --> 00:51:02,313
It makes him a much more contained
character than he was in the early years.
703
00:51:04,315 --> 00:51:07,235
And America is moving
in that direction too.
704
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:10,905
We don't want chaos.
705
00:51:12,990 --> 00:51:16,202
We wanna feel safe.
We wanna feel familiar and protected.
706
00:51:16,285 --> 00:51:18,454
Okay, Pluto. Let's get our tree.
707
00:51:18,538 --> 00:51:19,580
[bells tinkling]
708
00:51:19,664 --> 00:51:22,333
-[seagulls squawking]
-[Henn] 1953 was his last short,
709
00:51:22,417 --> 00:51:25,878
and I've heard him described
as just being a little-- little man.
710
00:51:27,004 --> 00:51:30,091
[Goldberg]
He acquired a decent house and a mortgage,
711
00:51:30,174 --> 00:51:34,303
and he just became
your suburban mouse next door.
712
00:51:37,473 --> 00:51:40,393
[narrator 1] There is a continuing trend
to more time off,
713
00:51:41,185 --> 00:51:43,062
which means more time to consume.
714
00:51:45,815 --> 00:51:48,317
[narrator 2]
It's a completely new idea in automobiles.
715
00:51:48,401 --> 00:51:51,320
The daring, dazzling 1955 Rambler.
716
00:51:51,404 --> 00:51:55,491
Come on, Pluto, old boy.
We're going to see the 1955 Nash.
717
00:51:56,242 --> 00:51:57,869
[Goldberg] When I first saw these,
718
00:51:57,952 --> 00:52:04,292
I did a complete double take
that Mickey was even drawn this way.
719
00:52:04,375 --> 00:52:08,880
[narrator 2] The new 1955 Rambler offers
complete year-round air conditioning.
720
00:52:08,963 --> 00:52:12,383
[Goldberg] They're sending the signals
that Mickey and Minnie are married
721
00:52:12,467 --> 00:52:14,552
and they're driving in the front
of the Nash Rambler,
722
00:52:14,635 --> 00:52:18,139
and there are their two kids sitting in
the back. And it's like, "Wait a minute!"
723
00:52:18,222 --> 00:52:19,849
Live a little.
724
00:52:19,932 --> 00:52:21,350
Drive a Rambler.
725
00:52:21,851 --> 00:52:26,355
Apparently, they had made
a few commercials before Walt saw them.
726
00:52:26,439 --> 00:52:30,068
What had happened was,
a fan had written to him saying,
727
00:52:30,151 --> 00:52:32,653
"Dear Walt, what did you do with Mickey?"
728
00:52:32,737 --> 00:52:34,405
[laughs]
729
00:52:34,489 --> 00:52:39,869
And he found these commercials and
looked at them and just went, "Stop!
730
00:52:39,952 --> 00:52:42,955
That's not Mickey.
We're not doing that anymore."
731
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:44,499
[laughs]
732
00:52:46,042 --> 00:52:47,335
[Norman] Walt was getting so busy
733
00:52:47,418 --> 00:52:50,213
that he didn't always have time
to stop what he was doing
734
00:52:50,296 --> 00:52:52,924
and go to the soundstage
and record Mickey's voice.
735
00:52:53,508 --> 00:52:57,428
And doing that falsetto voice of Mickey
was becoming harder.
736
00:52:57,512 --> 00:53:00,306
He actually had to go to a doctor
for the vocal strain.
737
00:53:04,936 --> 00:53:07,397
[Iwan as Mickey]
♪ Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go ♪
738
00:53:08,272 --> 00:53:09,273
[clears throat]
739
00:53:09,857 --> 00:53:11,150
-[Goldberg] Hi.
-[normal] How are you?
740
00:53:11,234 --> 00:53:12,902
-Nice to meet ya.
-Nice to meet you.
741
00:53:12,985 --> 00:53:14,278
Yeah. I'm excited to work on this.
742
00:53:14,362 --> 00:53:17,949
You know, you could-- you could do this
for a living. You sound just like him.
743
00:53:18,032 --> 00:53:20,326
-I would hope to. Thanks. Thanks.
-[laughs]
744
00:53:23,371 --> 00:53:25,039
[Goldberg] So, you've read the script.
745
00:53:25,123 --> 00:53:27,834
It's kind of a fanciful trip
through Mickey's career.
746
00:53:27,917 --> 00:53:31,671
Uh, it starts with him walking through
the halls of the animation studio
747
00:53:31,754 --> 00:53:35,800
and he's looking at his past glories
on posters.
748
00:53:35,883 --> 00:53:39,095
So, why don't you go through it,
and we'll see what we get.
749
00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:40,972
-[Iwan] All right.
-Okay.
750
00:53:41,806 --> 00:53:43,266
[sound engineer] One. Take one.
751
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:45,268
[as Mickey] Aw, there's Pluto.
752
00:53:45,351 --> 00:53:46,352
It's Minnie.
753
00:53:46,936 --> 00:53:48,855
[chuckles] Pete.
754
00:53:48,938 --> 00:53:51,774
[Goldberg] Try another one
where you're just a little more casual,
755
00:53:51,858 --> 00:53:53,025
-a little slower.
-Okay.
756
00:53:53,609 --> 00:53:55,570
[as Mickey] Hmm, hmm.
757
00:53:56,195 --> 00:53:58,614
Oh, I remember that.
758
00:53:59,198 --> 00:54:02,577
[Goldberg] Those are great.
Try one more that's just a, "Hmm."
759
00:54:03,786 --> 00:54:07,331
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.
760
00:54:07,415 --> 00:54:09,292
[normal] The responsibility is huge,
761
00:54:09,375 --> 00:54:12,754
because I'm just playing a part
in continuing this legacy
762
00:54:12,837 --> 00:54:15,173
that started with Walt back in 1928.
763
00:54:15,673 --> 00:54:17,425
[as Mickey] Hey, Pluto. Here she comes.
764
00:54:17,508 --> 00:54:19,677
-[chuckles] Hi, folks.
-Hi, folks!
765
00:54:19,761 --> 00:54:21,679
-This is Mickey.
-I'm Mickey too.
766
00:54:21,763 --> 00:54:23,389
-You are?
-I thought so.
767
00:54:23,473 --> 00:54:26,851
[Iwan] Jimmy Macdonald, the second voice
of Mickey, told Wayne,
768
00:54:26,934 --> 00:54:30,104
"Remember, kid, you're only filling in for
the boss." And that's how I look at it.
769
00:54:30,188 --> 00:54:32,315
[as Mickey] Come on. We gotta hurry.
770
00:54:32,398 --> 00:54:34,108
Come on. We gotta hurry.
771
00:54:34,192 --> 00:54:36,277
[laughs] Ah, gosh.
772
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,696
[as Mickey] Gosh! Oh, gosh!
773
00:54:38,780 --> 00:54:40,615
[normal]
I will never forget that, essentially,
774
00:54:40,698 --> 00:54:42,492
I'm emulating
Walt's performance as Mickey.
775
00:54:42,575 --> 00:54:44,535
Hot dog! Hot dog!
776
00:54:44,619 --> 00:54:46,037
Hot dog!
777
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,414
-[as Mickey] Hot dog!
-[Goldberg] That last one.
778
00:54:48,498 --> 00:54:49,582
Yeah, nice.
779
00:54:50,333 --> 00:54:53,211
You know, the coal
is floating around him like asteroids,
780
00:54:53,294 --> 00:54:55,338
-so he's trying to grab for them.
-[Iwan] Uh-huh.
781
00:54:55,421 --> 00:54:56,923
[grunts as Mickey]
782
00:54:57,006 --> 00:54:58,132
Gotcha!
783
00:54:58,216 --> 00:54:59,425
Great.
784
00:55:02,053 --> 00:55:05,556
I'm sitting there and I'm listening
to Bret doing the voice, and I'm thinking,
785
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,477
"Oh, man. He's nailed it.
[chuckling] He's really got him."
786
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:14,649
And I hope that as well as Bret nails
the voice, we nail the visuals. [laughs]
787
00:55:16,818 --> 00:55:19,946
Working on this short is kind
of Mickey heaven
788
00:55:20,029 --> 00:55:23,449
because you get to play
with all these different styles,
789
00:55:23,533 --> 00:55:26,244
as do the other animators
who are working on it.
790
00:55:27,036 --> 00:55:32,917
So in this particular case,
this is a Mickey from the 1950s.
791
00:55:33,626 --> 00:55:37,130
And this sequence was animated
by John Lounsbery.
792
00:55:38,297 --> 00:55:39,882
And to be honest,
793
00:55:39,966 --> 00:55:44,679
this is the first time I've drawn
a 1950s Johnny Lounsbery Mickey.
794
00:55:44,762 --> 00:55:49,016
[chuckling] So, you know,
I'm learning as I go.
795
00:55:56,190 --> 00:55:58,067
[whoops]
796
00:55:58,860 --> 00:56:01,863
-Hi, partners!
-[children] Hi, Mickey!
797
00:56:01,946 --> 00:56:02,989
[chuckles]
798
00:56:03,072 --> 00:56:06,951
Well, this here's our roundup day,
so, uh, you all pretty nigh ready?
799
00:56:07,034 --> 00:56:09,162
-[children] Sure enough!
-Sure enough.
800
00:56:09,245 --> 00:56:10,663
Then let's get on with it.
801
00:56:10,747 --> 00:56:15,585
[Kaufman] Most Hollywood producers
were terrified of television.
802
00:56:16,377 --> 00:56:19,213
[announcer]
Walt Disney and Mickey Mouse present
803
00:56:19,297 --> 00:56:20,798
The Mickey Mouse Club.
804
00:56:20,882 --> 00:56:24,719
Walt goes in the opposite direction
and embraces television.
805
00:56:24,802 --> 00:56:26,804
♪ ...K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E ♪
806
00:56:26,888 --> 00:56:27,889
♪ Mickey Mouse ♪
807
00:56:27,972 --> 00:56:31,434
He relished the idea of getting
into a new field like that.
808
00:56:31,517 --> 00:56:33,227
Hi, Mouseketeers.
809
00:56:33,311 --> 00:56:34,604
[all] Hi, Roy!
810
00:56:35,521 --> 00:56:37,106
What would you like to have me draw?
811
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:38,399
Mickey Mouse.
812
00:56:38,483 --> 00:56:42,695
[Kaufman] It made it a lot easier to have
this audience identification
813
00:56:42,779 --> 00:56:45,073
with a character that they had known
for all those years
814
00:56:45,156 --> 00:56:46,824
and had become a part of their lives.
815
00:56:46,908 --> 00:56:50,495
♪ M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E ♪
816
00:56:50,578 --> 00:56:54,373
Once again, Mickey provided the
momentum that made all of that possible.
817
00:56:54,457 --> 00:56:59,754
[Mouseketeers] Yay, Mickey! Yay, Mickey!
818
00:56:59,837 --> 00:57:02,298
Yay, Mickey Mouse Club!
819
00:57:03,508 --> 00:57:09,514
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
820
00:57:11,015 --> 00:57:14,477
[Kern] You know, Walt, I think,
very quickly realized
821
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,523
that the power of his creations
had life beyond the walls of the studio.
822
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:20,525
And he would get fan mail.
823
00:57:20,608 --> 00:57:22,985
People would ask,
"How can I meet Mickey and Minnie?"
824
00:57:23,069 --> 00:57:24,070
Welcome.
825
00:57:24,654 --> 00:57:26,823
I guess
you all know this little fella here.
826
00:57:27,573 --> 00:57:28,783
It's an old partnership.
827
00:57:29,742 --> 00:57:33,704
Mickey and I started out
the first time many, many years ago.
828
00:57:34,539 --> 00:57:36,541
We've had a lot of our dreams come true.
829
00:57:37,166 --> 00:57:40,378
Now we want you to share with us
our latest and greatest dream.
830
00:57:42,046 --> 00:57:43,715
That's it right here.
831
00:57:44,966 --> 00:57:46,259
Disneyland.
832
00:57:46,342 --> 00:57:48,511
[helicopter whirring]
833
00:57:51,764 --> 00:57:54,100
[crickets chirping]
834
00:57:54,934 --> 00:57:56,769
[Higginbotham]
As soon as Walt starts on another path
835
00:57:56,853 --> 00:57:59,689
and focuses his interests on Disneyland,
836
00:57:59,772 --> 00:58:02,066
Mickey goes through
a major transformation as well.
837
00:58:03,401 --> 00:58:07,447
He has to become the kind of icon
that Walt is becoming.
838
00:58:09,031 --> 00:58:10,950
[Disney] Disneyland is your land.
839
00:58:14,162 --> 00:58:16,789
Here, age relives
fond memories of the past,
840
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,294
and here, youth may savor the challenge
and promise of the future.
841
00:58:23,087 --> 00:58:24,922
[Higginbotham]
There is something very personal
842
00:58:25,006 --> 00:58:28,801
about this whole quest that Walt is on.
843
00:58:28,885 --> 00:58:32,680
Returning to his own sense
of being a child.
844
00:58:35,892 --> 00:58:40,188
And that Mickey Mouse,
the character that existed in his head
845
00:58:40,271 --> 00:58:44,233
and then on paper,
that existed on the big screen,
846
00:58:44,317 --> 00:58:48,571
could now be as close to every visitor
at the park as it was to him.
847
00:58:49,155 --> 00:58:52,408
[narrator 1] That's Mickey Mouse,
the inimitable little character
848
00:58:52,492 --> 00:58:56,329
that started this whole story
with Walt Disney 25 years ago.
849
00:58:56,412 --> 00:58:57,789
[train whistle blows]
850
00:58:57,872 --> 00:59:01,125
[narrator 2]
The real star of it is Mickey Mouse.
851
00:59:01,209 --> 00:59:02,960
[Smith] I think there's an aura of magic
852
00:59:03,044 --> 00:59:05,380
around Mickey Mouse
that makes you feel safe.
853
00:59:06,589 --> 00:59:10,635
And I think within that bubble,
you are safe.
854
00:59:18,351 --> 00:59:20,812
[Porter] Mickey connects generations.
855
00:59:25,191 --> 00:59:28,528
He connects our childhood memories
to our adult memories.
856
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:35,284
And so when you encounter
Mickey in the park, you are not just you.
857
00:59:35,368 --> 00:59:37,495
You are six-year-old you,
858
00:59:39,038 --> 00:59:41,833
and you are 80-year-old you in the future.
859
00:59:44,210 --> 00:59:47,547
And you are with your grandmother,
and you are with your grandchildren,
860
00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:51,384
and you are participating
in a timeless moment.
861
01:00:00,935 --> 01:00:05,356
Mickey is the walking embodiment
of Walt's philosophies.
862
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,901
And you can meet him, still,
in the persona of Mickey.
863
01:00:13,656 --> 01:00:16,325
[fan]
I do remember, like, driving up to it
864
01:00:16,409 --> 01:00:19,954
and having that feeling that, like,
this is where Mickey lives.
865
01:00:20,037 --> 01:00:22,165
Oh, this is a sacred space.
866
01:00:22,248 --> 01:00:23,708
It's like he made Disneyland.
867
01:00:23,791 --> 01:00:25,501
It's like he used magic to, like--
868
01:00:25,585 --> 01:00:27,086
[imitates magical sound]
869
01:00:27,170 --> 01:00:29,172
At that time,
I'm thinking he's like John Wayne
870
01:00:29,255 --> 01:00:30,798
or he's like a real, true movie star.
871
01:00:30,882 --> 01:00:32,133
He spent his money.
872
01:00:32,216 --> 01:00:34,552
He bought this so people
could come visit him.
873
01:00:34,635 --> 01:00:36,137
And I actually got to meet him.
874
01:00:36,220 --> 01:00:38,806
-When I was five years old--
-Five years old.
875
01:00:38,890 --> 01:00:40,016
Maybe ten?
876
01:00:40,099 --> 01:00:44,771
When I saw him in Tokyo Disneyland,
I really believe it's him.
877
01:00:44,854 --> 01:00:46,606
He's right down here.
878
01:00:46,689 --> 01:00:50,485
And actually, I think the sweetest one
is me and Minnie down here.
879
01:00:50,568 --> 01:00:53,196
It's kind of a big deal when I see Mickey.
880
01:00:53,279 --> 01:00:55,990
My husband literally pushed me
out of the way--
881
01:00:56,074 --> 01:00:58,868
Pushed her out of the way
so I could get to Mickey first.
882
01:00:58,951 --> 01:00:59,786
[laughs]
883
01:00:59,869 --> 01:01:02,497
Really happy
when I got Mickey Mouse's signature.
884
01:01:03,081 --> 01:01:06,000
Thank you for all the times
you were there for me.
885
01:01:06,501 --> 01:01:08,628
And you've always been my best friend.
886
01:01:09,128 --> 01:01:10,671
[fan] I resonate with Mickey so well
887
01:01:10,755 --> 01:01:14,509
because there's an undeniable piece
of Walt's heart in Mickey Mouse.
888
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:26,687
[interviewer] Can you still make a noise
like Mickey Mouse?
889
01:01:27,271 --> 01:01:30,108
[as Mickey] Well, uh, Mickey used
to talk something like this, you know?
890
01:01:30,191 --> 01:01:31,692
It's kind of a falsetto.
891
01:01:31,776 --> 01:01:35,655
Of course, he's an old mouse now
and the falsetto's getting a little old.
892
01:01:35,738 --> 01:01:36,739
[normal] Yeah.
893
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:52,255
[Norman] Working with Walt,
nobody had any idea he was ill.
894
01:01:52,922 --> 01:01:55,341
Certainly not to the extent he was.
895
01:01:57,343 --> 01:02:00,763
We simply didn't see it coming.
We never saw it coming.
896
01:02:06,352 --> 01:02:11,566
After Walt's death,
his wife, Lillian, said that
897
01:02:11,649 --> 01:02:16,070
it was difficult for her to watch
or listen to Mickey Mouse
898
01:02:17,572 --> 01:02:19,532
because there was so much of Walt in him.
899
01:02:34,922 --> 01:02:38,426
After his passing,
they pretty much closed up the office.
900
01:02:41,220 --> 01:02:43,473
They'd go in and dust and--
and things like that,
901
01:02:43,556 --> 01:02:45,391
but it-- it looks just the way it did.
902
01:02:48,728 --> 01:02:51,397
We've tried to keep it
as close to Walt as possible.
903
01:03:06,454 --> 01:03:08,706
[Norman]
You know, with the passing of Walt,
904
01:03:08,790 --> 01:03:11,918
the studio honestly did not know
what to do with Mickey.
905
01:03:13,711 --> 01:03:17,632
And for me as a Disney storyteller,
it was kind of eye-opening.
906
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,805
It almost seemed that they wanted
to put the lid on Mickey.
907
01:03:28,142 --> 01:03:32,730
Because Walt's values,
Walt's ideas would be frozen in time.
908
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,121
The world changed. The culture changed.
909
01:03:49,997 --> 01:03:53,000
And Mickey hadn't really changed with it.
910
01:03:54,043 --> 01:03:56,504
[reporter 1]
Even Mickey Mouse has troubles these days.
911
01:03:56,587 --> 01:03:59,966
A band of yippies threatened trouble
in the park all day yesterday.
912
01:04:01,134 --> 01:04:04,595
[reporter 2] The yippies said
they have come to liberate Mickey Mouse.
913
01:04:08,641 --> 01:04:12,395
[Norman] Mickey Mouse was still
very much alive outside the Disney studio.
914
01:04:13,980 --> 01:04:16,774
[laughing]
You know, you could not escape him.
915
01:04:20,111 --> 01:04:21,988
[Glenn]
Just like America splits in the '60s,
916
01:04:22,071 --> 01:04:23,573
Mickey Mouse splits as well.
917
01:04:25,241 --> 01:04:27,285
There's kind of a surface meaning to him.
918
01:04:27,368 --> 01:04:30,079
But the more you look into him,
the more you think about it,
919
01:04:30,163 --> 01:04:32,623
the more levels there are to this symbol.
920
01:04:34,542 --> 01:04:36,335
So there are two Mickeys now.
921
01:04:36,419 --> 01:04:38,796
Mainstream Mickey
and counterculture Mickey.
922
01:04:39,338 --> 01:04:41,466
And those coexist in this one character.
923
01:04:43,843 --> 01:04:45,678
["Life on Mars?" playing]
924
01:04:45,762 --> 01:04:48,931
♪ It's on America's tortured brow ♪
925
01:04:50,016 --> 01:04:52,769
♪ That Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow ♪
926
01:04:54,103 --> 01:04:56,939
♪ Now the workers have struck for fame… ♪
927
01:04:57,023 --> 01:04:58,816
[Glenn]
Mickey becomes this irresistible symbol
928
01:04:58,900 --> 01:04:59,942
to the counterculture.
929
01:05:02,779 --> 01:05:06,949
So if you have an issue with your parents,
with authority, with America in general,
930
01:05:07,033 --> 01:05:08,409
Mickey Mouse is your guy.
931
01:05:10,703 --> 01:05:13,831
What Mickey provided was inspiration.
932
01:05:15,374 --> 01:05:16,918
People were starting to use Mickey
933
01:05:17,001 --> 01:05:21,089
to reflect life around them
in all sorts of different ways.
934
01:05:24,175 --> 01:05:27,387
And that really starts to deepen
the character of Mickey Mouse.
935
01:05:31,182 --> 01:05:34,977
[Glaser] I don't know why things persist
in people's minds and memories.
936
01:05:35,061 --> 01:05:37,605
Some things stick, some things don't.
937
01:05:38,189 --> 01:05:39,440
I forgot I did that.
938
01:05:39,524 --> 01:05:44,445
That was Mickey Mouse
by Leonardo da Vinci.
939
01:05:46,406 --> 01:05:53,204
All significant art represents an attempt
to understand reality.
940
01:05:57,125 --> 01:05:59,502
I was against the Vietnam War,
941
01:06:01,295 --> 01:06:07,051
and I thought we could do a little film
on Mickey Mouse in Vietnam.
942
01:06:09,053 --> 01:06:12,306
I was looking for a symbol
that would represent every man.
943
01:06:13,015 --> 01:06:15,476
And Mickey was sort of universal.
944
01:06:16,436 --> 01:06:18,855
And so much a part of the American ethos.
945
01:06:20,356 --> 01:06:23,359
Part of the factor was his innocence.
946
01:06:24,944 --> 01:06:29,031
By that point, Mickey really had become
an emblem of what America stood for.
947
01:06:29,115 --> 01:06:30,575
[chattering]
948
01:06:30,658 --> 01:06:34,495
But America is changing during that time,
and in that short film,
949
01:06:34,579 --> 01:06:38,374
Mickey somehow manages to be
the perfect symbol for that change.
950
01:06:38,458 --> 01:06:40,585
Of innocence lost during that war.
951
01:06:41,836 --> 01:06:44,130
By that point,
we're so identified with Mickey,
952
01:06:44,213 --> 01:06:48,384
Mickey is so close to us,
that there's no other character or symbol
953
01:06:48,468 --> 01:06:50,511
that could sell
that message so effectively.
954
01:06:51,888 --> 01:06:55,391
♪ Boys and girls from far and near
You're welcome as can be ♪
955
01:06:55,475 --> 01:06:59,604
♪ M-I-C-K-E-Y
M-O-U-S-E ♪
956
01:06:59,687 --> 01:07:01,981
-♪ Mickey Mouse ♪
-♪ Mickey Mouse ♪
957
01:07:02,065 --> 01:07:04,275
-♪ Mickey Mouse ♪
-♪ Mickey Mouse ♪
958
01:07:04,358 --> 01:07:07,737
Every version of Mickey
is a version of all of us.
959
01:07:07,820 --> 01:07:10,573
It's a version of the society
that we have all come from.
960
01:07:10,656 --> 01:07:12,700
[protestors singing]
961
01:07:12,784 --> 01:07:17,830
And in the 1960s, America began
to ask questions about itself,
962
01:07:19,165 --> 01:07:23,669
questions that many had ignored,
and that included Mickey Mouse.
963
01:07:26,089 --> 01:07:31,344
Just like Mickey's shorts in the '30s
where Mickey's performing in blackface,
964
01:07:31,427 --> 01:07:34,013
popular forms of entertainment show
965
01:07:34,097 --> 01:07:38,226
America has been divided
since the founding of this country.
966
01:07:41,396 --> 01:07:45,900
But it's difficult to see Mickey
part of that conversation.
967
01:07:48,403 --> 01:07:52,490
It's a disconnection that happens
as a viewer when I'm faced with that…
968
01:07:52,573 --> 01:07:54,659
[war whoops]
969
01:07:54,742 --> 01:07:56,577
…and those sorts of presentations.
970
01:07:58,454 --> 01:08:00,415
And then, of course, you have Minnie.
971
01:08:02,959 --> 01:08:06,796
[Nilsen] It's hard to watch
those Mickey shorts with our eyes today.
972
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,216
-But the last thing we wanna do…
-Don't do that!
973
01:08:10,299 --> 01:08:13,052
…is to ignore, to hide,
974
01:08:13,136 --> 01:08:16,305
to somehow imagine those elements
of our identity don't exist.
975
01:08:17,140 --> 01:08:19,684
That version of Mickey does exist.
976
01:08:20,184 --> 01:08:23,312
He speaks to the racism
within our own society.
977
01:08:24,522 --> 01:08:26,315
[Higginbotham]
It's easy to say, "It is what it is."
978
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:29,402
It's easy to say that was just Walt
being the man he was at the time.
979
01:08:30,445 --> 01:08:34,198
But given the cultural power
that Walt had,
980
01:08:34,282 --> 01:08:38,494
some of the images he put out there
with Mickey did damage.
981
01:08:40,288 --> 01:08:42,540
Mickey's supposed to love everybody.
982
01:08:44,709 --> 01:08:48,921
Clearly, in these moments,
he's not loving all of us.
983
01:08:49,005 --> 01:08:50,840
He's not loving all of us.
984
01:08:52,633 --> 01:08:56,179
And here is Mickey's official
50th anniversary portrait.
985
01:08:56,262 --> 01:09:02,018
He's a little taller now. More grown-up.
And, at the temples, just a touch of gray.
986
01:09:02,852 --> 01:09:08,775
♪ Happy Birthday, dear Mickey ♪
987
01:09:09,358 --> 01:09:12,111
[presenter] Mickey's physical appearance
has changed somewhat
988
01:09:12,195 --> 01:09:15,198
since Walt Disney created the mouse
back in 1928.
989
01:09:15,281 --> 01:09:18,367
And over the years,
Mickey's tastes have changed as well.
990
01:09:18,868 --> 01:09:23,372
But Mickey Mouse seems to stay up
with the times, and in the area of music,
991
01:09:23,456 --> 01:09:27,919
it is only natural that Mickey Mouse
would eventually go disco.
992
01:09:28,002 --> 01:09:31,130
♪ Let the dancing fever move him ♪
993
01:09:31,214 --> 01:09:34,467
♪ And he'll always bring down the house ♪
994
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:38,221
♪ Disco Mickey Mouse ♪
995
01:09:39,722 --> 01:09:43,684
Mickey is truly iconic in the sense
that he cannot be beaten.
996
01:09:44,727 --> 01:09:47,230
So, yes, he's gonna have a disco album
that's horrible
997
01:09:47,313 --> 01:09:50,108
and that comes two or three years
after disco's peak.
998
01:09:50,191 --> 01:09:53,111
But it's still gonna be really popular
and successful.
999
01:09:53,194 --> 01:09:56,697
[fan] I loved
the Mickey Mouse Disco when I was younger.
1000
01:09:56,781 --> 01:09:58,825
And I would just, like,
dance in my living room.
1001
01:09:58,908 --> 01:10:01,452
♪ Watch out, watch out for Goofy
Watch out for Goofy ♪
1002
01:10:01,536 --> 01:10:02,537
That's cute.
1003
01:10:02,620 --> 01:10:03,746
[music ends]
1004
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:07,583
[Glenn] But then on the other side,
we see the punk appropriation of Mickey.
1005
01:10:07,667 --> 01:10:10,753
♪ Mickey Mouse is dead
Got kicked in the head ♪
1006
01:10:10,837 --> 01:10:14,132
♪ 'Cause people got too serious
They planned out what they said… ♪
1007
01:10:14,215 --> 01:10:17,176
And we see the Ramones
wearing Mickey Mouse T-shirts.
1008
01:10:17,260 --> 01:10:18,594
What are they doing?
1009
01:10:21,472 --> 01:10:25,518
I, myself, and my friends,
when we were into punk and skateboarding,
1010
01:10:25,601 --> 01:10:27,854
would wear Mickey Mouse T-shirts.
1011
01:10:27,937 --> 01:10:31,149
It was a mixture of,
"I am making fun of something,
1012
01:10:31,232 --> 01:10:33,651
and I am also expressing admiration
for something,
1013
01:10:33,735 --> 01:10:36,028
and my parents don't get that."
1014
01:10:36,529 --> 01:10:38,823
So it became kind of a secret language.
1015
01:10:46,164 --> 01:10:49,792
A lot of artists began to incorporate
Mickey as a way of saying,
1016
01:10:49,876 --> 01:10:53,588
"If you're gonna flood the culture
with this kind of imagery,
1017
01:10:53,671 --> 01:10:55,548
then it becomes ours at some point."
1018
01:11:05,433 --> 01:11:07,101
He becomes the super symbol.
1019
01:11:08,227 --> 01:11:09,771
[reporter] Mickey Mouse, we are told,
1020
01:11:09,854 --> 01:11:12,398
is one of the top three icons
of the 20th century.
1021
01:11:12,482 --> 01:11:16,277
A distinction he shares with Adolf Hitler
and the Coca-Cola bottle.
1022
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,738
Andy Warhol lifted the image straight
1023
01:11:18,821 --> 01:11:21,657
as part of a series
of screen prints entitled Myths.
1024
01:11:21,741 --> 01:11:24,660
Mickey Mouse is my favorite, uh, image
1025
01:11:24,744 --> 01:11:27,705
because, uh, Walt Disney is
my favorite artist.
1026
01:11:29,749 --> 01:11:31,751
[music ends]
1027
01:11:31,834 --> 01:11:34,003
-[child 1] I'm Mickey Mouse.
-[child 2] I'm Minnie Mouse.
1028
01:11:34,087 --> 01:11:35,505
[child 3] I'm Donald Duck.
1029
01:11:35,588 --> 01:11:36,631
[chattering]
1030
01:11:36,714 --> 01:11:38,257
[Norman] By the 1980s,
1031
01:11:38,341 --> 01:11:40,218
things were getting weird
for Mickey Mouse,
1032
01:11:40,885 --> 01:11:47,058
because he had become almost this
divine figure that you didn't mess with.
1033
01:11:47,642 --> 01:11:49,227
[reporter 1]
Recently, The Walt Disney Company
1034
01:11:49,310 --> 01:11:51,979
heard about the painted characters
at this day care center
1035
01:11:52,063 --> 01:11:54,565
and two others in Hallandale, Florida.
1036
01:11:54,649 --> 01:11:57,318
[reporter 2] Disney now demanding
the removal of all its characters.
1037
01:11:57,402 --> 01:12:00,613
The company charging unauthorized
infringement of its rights
1038
01:12:00,696 --> 01:12:02,407
under the US Copyright Act.
1039
01:12:03,825 --> 01:12:06,452
[reporter 3] Do you know
what they're going to do to Mickey Mouse?
1040
01:12:06,536 --> 01:12:08,955
-What?
-They're gonna take him away.
1041
01:12:10,248 --> 01:12:13,000
[reporter 4] Despite their objections,
the day care centers say
1042
01:12:13,084 --> 01:12:15,712
they'll have to paint
over the cartoon characters
1043
01:12:15,795 --> 01:12:18,840
because they can't fight the power
of the corporate mouse.
1044
01:12:20,007 --> 01:12:22,677
Our legal protection
of Mickey has inevitably led
1045
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,597
to some uncomfortable situations
over the course of the company's history.
1046
01:12:27,557 --> 01:12:30,518
I wouldn't say that we've handled
every situation perfectly,
1047
01:12:30,601 --> 01:12:34,522
but there's really no precedent
for a creation like this
1048
01:12:34,605 --> 01:12:36,274
when it comes to copyright.
1049
01:12:36,357 --> 01:12:38,568
Mickey's one of the most
popular characters in the world,
1050
01:12:38,651 --> 01:12:41,487
and there's really no question
that we've had to learn as we go.
1051
01:12:43,823 --> 01:12:45,825
Disney's been very protective of Mickey,
1052
01:12:46,367 --> 01:12:49,662
and it's interesting to think about
how Walt's own experience
1053
01:12:49,746 --> 01:12:54,459
of losing Oswald early on helps
to define the trajectory of the studio.
1054
01:12:54,542 --> 01:12:58,838
You signed this contract.
See this signature there? Walt Disney.
1055
01:12:58,921 --> 01:13:03,092
Right here it says that we own
Oswald the Rabbit.
1056
01:13:03,176 --> 01:13:04,218
[chuckles]
1057
01:13:04,302 --> 01:13:07,889
[Cline] Disney as a company
was created out of tremendous loss,
1058
01:13:08,765 --> 01:13:12,727
and I think that will give
some context to why the company
1059
01:13:12,810 --> 01:13:15,188
has defended Mickey so carefully
over the years.
1060
01:13:16,939 --> 01:13:20,359
And we understand that copyright
is a part of the Mickey Mouse story.
1061
01:13:21,444 --> 01:13:24,822
The challenging thing is that
from a practical perspective,
1062
01:13:24,906 --> 01:13:28,409
your copyright is only as good
as your ability to enforce it.
1063
01:13:29,535 --> 01:13:33,164
It's a balance and one that
we continually work to get right.
1064
01:13:36,084 --> 01:13:39,837
I am wholeheartedly against
the infringement of copyright.
1065
01:13:39,921 --> 01:13:42,715
So much so,
that I had that phrase trademarked,
1066
01:13:42,799 --> 01:13:45,802
and then I had it emblazoned
on a Mickey Mouse doll.
1067
01:13:45,885 --> 01:13:47,553
[audience laughing, cheering]
1068
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,684
Where does something this big
and this important to society
1069
01:13:53,768 --> 01:13:56,396
become just owned by society?
1070
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,649
There is a level of Mickey that,
you know, we all own.
1071
01:13:59,732 --> 01:14:04,195
Disney the company was very strict
about copyright and legal issues,
1072
01:14:04,278 --> 01:14:07,865
but I never personally associated it
with Mickey himself.
1073
01:14:07,949 --> 01:14:10,159
There's the
ambassador-of-the-company Mickey,
1074
01:14:10,243 --> 01:14:13,329
and then there is that little more
rambunctious nature of Mickey.
1075
01:14:13,413 --> 01:14:15,873
There are two Mickeys,
'cause like anybody else would,
1076
01:14:15,957 --> 01:14:19,377
Mickey has to act a little bit differently
in different environments.
1077
01:14:21,295 --> 01:14:23,673
And how do you not love
Mickey's Christmas Carol?
1078
01:14:23,756 --> 01:14:24,757
You know that-- that--
1079
01:14:24,841 --> 01:14:28,010
The soul of Mickey in that movie
is still the pure soul of the film.
1080
01:14:31,806 --> 01:14:33,599
[narrator] Walt Disney Studios.
1081
01:14:33,683 --> 01:14:38,146
Home to characters and stories spun
from pure cinematic magic.
1082
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:40,773
But up until 1983,
1083
01:14:40,857 --> 01:14:44,152
the Disney character who started
the whole enchanted operation
1084
01:14:44,235 --> 01:14:46,487
hadn't made a movie in 30 years.
1085
01:14:46,571 --> 01:14:47,572
[squawks]
1086
01:14:51,284 --> 01:14:52,744
[Mattinson] When we created the picture,
1087
01:14:52,827 --> 01:14:57,832
there was, amongst us, a sense that we--
we were gonna be able to bring him back.
1088
01:15:01,085 --> 01:15:04,130
[stammers] G-g-g-good morning,
Mr. Scrooge.
1089
01:15:04,213 --> 01:15:07,133
[Gerstein] Mickey's Christmas Carol
was heralded as Mickey's great comeback.
1090
01:15:08,217 --> 01:15:09,886
But it's really a Scrooge McDuck cartoon.
1091
01:15:09,969 --> 01:15:11,345
What are you doing?
1092
01:15:12,472 --> 01:15:16,100
[chuckles] I was just trying
to keep my hands warm, sir.
1093
01:15:18,144 --> 01:15:21,022
[Henn] Some of the top people
that used to work here have done Mickey
1094
01:15:21,105 --> 01:15:23,775
and, uh, you know,
things were pretty well established
1095
01:15:23,858 --> 01:15:26,778
as far as what kind of a character,
you know, he is.
1096
01:15:28,738 --> 01:15:33,534
There was a sense that
there was a little bit of a fear, I think,
1097
01:15:33,618 --> 01:15:35,036
that the studio had with Mickey
1098
01:15:35,119 --> 01:15:40,124
'cause they didn't want
to do something that failed.
1099
01:15:40,208 --> 01:15:41,459
[applause]
1100
01:15:41,542 --> 01:15:44,003
He was our corporate symbol.
1101
01:15:44,837 --> 01:15:48,591
So it would've been really difficult
if Mickey's a flop.
1102
01:15:48,674 --> 01:15:52,178
[narrator] Like Walt always said,
it all started with a mouse.
1103
01:15:52,261 --> 01:15:54,597
[Henn] So they kind of became very careful
1104
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,683
about what projects
Mickey was involved with.
1105
01:15:58,226 --> 01:16:00,228
[scatting]
1106
01:16:01,521 --> 01:16:02,980
Oh! Huh.
1107
01:16:03,064 --> 01:16:04,357
Aw, Minnie and I…
1108
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:07,527
[Goldberg] It's both an honor
and a challenge
1109
01:16:07,610 --> 01:16:09,821
to animate Mickey in the present day.
1110
01:16:09,904 --> 01:16:11,322
Hey!
1111
01:16:12,657 --> 01:16:15,868
You've got this big weight
on your shoulders… [laughing]
1112
01:16:15,952 --> 01:16:18,121
…like, "I'd better not louse it up."
1113
01:16:19,872 --> 01:16:24,961
But, you know,
I just look at it as a continuum.
1114
01:16:25,837 --> 01:16:28,589
I mean, here we are
almost a hundred years later,
1115
01:16:28,673 --> 01:16:32,343
and we're in the final week
of animating this new short.
1116
01:16:33,177 --> 01:16:36,973
You know, we're still drawing him,
we're still talking about him.
1117
01:16:37,932 --> 01:16:40,810
After all the things that Mickey
has been through…
1118
01:16:41,769 --> 01:16:43,104
he's still here.
1119
01:16:46,232 --> 01:16:47,567
[reporter 1] The Disney name evoked
1120
01:16:47,650 --> 01:16:50,194
some of the happiest
and most endearing memories
1121
01:16:50,278 --> 01:16:54,365
in entertainment, but in recent years,
some of that luster has dimmed.
1122
01:16:54,449 --> 01:16:57,118
Even with that legacy
and with those assets,
1123
01:16:57,201 --> 01:17:00,455
everyone would acknowledge
something was wrong.
1124
01:17:00,538 --> 01:17:02,248
[reporter 2]
What do you think about Mickey Mouse?
1125
01:17:02,331 --> 01:17:03,624
He's okay, but…
1126
01:17:03,708 --> 01:17:07,378
I like Goofy. And Minnie and Goofy.
1127
01:17:08,629 --> 01:17:12,425
[Higginbotham] In attempting to interact
with as many people as possible,
1128
01:17:12,508 --> 01:17:13,885
Mickey seems lost.
1129
01:17:14,886 --> 01:17:17,096
He's hollow.
There's-- There's nothing there.
1130
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,224
[reporter]
Look in the dictionary. What a definition!
1131
01:17:20,308 --> 01:17:24,103
"Unimportant.
Trivial. Irritatingly petty."
1132
01:17:24,187 --> 01:17:28,357
Let Fredo take care of
some Mickey Mouse nightclub somewhere!
1133
01:17:29,192 --> 01:17:31,110
[Birnkrant] Do I like new Mickey Mouse?
1134
01:17:31,652 --> 01:17:34,655
Would I sing the Mouseketeer Club song?
1135
01:17:35,239 --> 01:17:37,575
No. No, I'm not a fan of Mickey.
1136
01:17:38,534 --> 01:17:41,370
[Kimball]
This is the Mickey that you see today.
1137
01:17:41,454 --> 01:17:44,040
He has nice puffed-out cheeks.
1138
01:17:44,123 --> 01:17:46,542
In other words,
all the kids think he looks cute.
1139
01:17:48,086 --> 01:17:49,837
[anchor] Guess who's moving to Japan?
1140
01:17:49,921 --> 01:17:52,590
America's best-known mouse, Mickey.
1141
01:17:53,341 --> 01:17:55,176
[reporter] Not only was Mickey mobbed
1142
01:17:55,259 --> 01:17:56,928
but so was the store selling his ears.
1143
01:17:57,011 --> 01:18:00,139
Fresh supplies had to be flown in
after the hats sold out.
1144
01:18:00,723 --> 01:18:03,601
[Kimball] Mickey stands for Disneyland
1145
01:18:03,684 --> 01:18:06,437
the place where they can go
and have all this fun.
1146
01:18:07,688 --> 01:18:08,815
And spend money.
1147
01:18:09,524 --> 01:18:11,567
[announcer] We don't just sell Disney.
1148
01:18:11,651 --> 01:18:13,111
We are Disney.
1149
01:18:14,112 --> 01:18:16,781
Mickey in one word? Uh…
1150
01:18:18,282 --> 01:18:19,534
Consumerism.
1151
01:18:20,660 --> 01:18:23,454
I'm the mascot of an evil corporation.
[laughs]
1152
01:18:27,959 --> 01:18:29,252
[Mickey] Take the good with the bad.
1153
01:18:29,335 --> 01:18:31,421
Think of all the laughs I've given you.
1154
01:18:32,004 --> 01:18:34,048
You're supposed to be funny?
1155
01:18:34,132 --> 01:18:36,092
-[laughter]
-Yeah.
1156
01:18:49,605 --> 01:18:52,233
I think we confused people.
1157
01:18:52,316 --> 01:18:56,738
So that, in 2005, when you asked people,
uh, who Mickey Mouse was,
1158
01:18:57,363 --> 01:18:58,573
they typically would say
1159
01:18:58,656 --> 01:19:01,993
he's a corporate symbol
of The Walt Disney Company.
1160
01:19:04,287 --> 01:19:09,792
I'm not sure people really knew
who Mickey was or what Mickey was
1161
01:19:09,876 --> 01:19:12,545
because Mickey had been
so many different things
1162
01:19:12,628 --> 01:19:14,005
and not necessarily all good.
1163
01:19:14,088 --> 01:19:16,674
-[Mickey] What's that? You want some more?
-[children] Hey!
1164
01:19:16,758 --> 01:19:18,509
[Mickey] Who's the mouse
that's got the groove?
1165
01:19:18,593 --> 01:19:21,054
[Iger] He was looked upon, I think,
as commerce versus art.
1166
01:19:23,014 --> 01:19:24,182
Not quite heartless,
1167
01:19:24,265 --> 01:19:30,688
but he didn't have enough of the identity
that Walt created for him originally.
1168
01:19:30,772 --> 01:19:31,856
[Mickey whistling]
1169
01:19:35,735 --> 01:19:38,571
The last thing Walt would've wanted
would've been for Mickey
1170
01:19:38,654 --> 01:19:42,241
to remain as he was
or to be stuck in some museum case.
1171
01:19:42,867 --> 01:19:46,871
So, we began a process
to bring Mickey forward.
1172
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:50,583
Most people, when they thought of Mickey,
1173
01:19:50,666 --> 01:19:54,212
besides being a corporate icon,
felt that Mickey was old.
1174
01:19:55,129 --> 01:19:57,757
We asked people,
"How old do you think Mickey is?"
1175
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,426
And everybody said,
"Well, he's over sixty-five."
1176
01:20:01,677 --> 01:20:04,430
And there had been
very little content made
1177
01:20:04,514 --> 01:20:06,933
with Mickey in it for quite some time.
1178
01:20:08,059 --> 01:20:11,187
We prevented anyone
innovating with the character
1179
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:14,690
or anyone even trying to return Mickey
to his former self.
1180
01:20:15,483 --> 01:20:18,903
We thought we owed it to ourselves
and to the character
1181
01:20:18,986 --> 01:20:22,031
to engage with all sectors of the company.
1182
01:20:22,907 --> 01:20:25,243
And that led to what we called a bake-off.
1183
01:20:25,326 --> 01:20:28,704
We let each of the entities present to us
1184
01:20:28,788 --> 01:20:32,417
a fresh version of Mickey Mouse
that everybody could love again.
1185
01:20:33,084 --> 01:20:36,003
At first, I was like,
"Well, gosh. It sure would be cool
1186
01:20:36,087 --> 01:20:40,299
to just make Mickey Mouse shorts,
but they're not gonna let me do that."
1187
01:20:43,010 --> 01:20:46,806
It was a very interesting time.
For me, it was like,
1188
01:20:46,889 --> 01:20:48,307
"He doesn't need to be a shill.
1189
01:20:48,391 --> 01:20:52,937
He can go back to the time
when he was really active and happy."
1190
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,608
But I felt like Mickey himself had
forgotten his roots.
1191
01:20:57,692 --> 01:20:59,026
Forgotten where he came from.
1192
01:20:59,861 --> 01:21:03,406
[Rudish] Disney had this bible
of what Mickey is and isn't,
1193
01:21:03,489 --> 01:21:07,535
the dos and don'ts,
and they decided not to show me that.
1194
01:21:08,578 --> 01:21:12,582
[Spector] I wanted to remind him
that he wasn't just a corporate symbol,
1195
01:21:12,665 --> 01:21:15,001
that he wasn't
just a greeter in the parks,
1196
01:21:15,835 --> 01:21:18,212
that he was a cartoon character too.
1197
01:21:24,510 --> 01:21:27,388
[Green] The bake-off ultimately led to
1198
01:21:27,472 --> 01:21:30,308
a whole new era
of storytelling with Mickey.
1199
01:21:30,391 --> 01:21:32,185
[as Mickey] Hang on, pal. Here we go.
1200
01:21:32,769 --> 01:21:35,772
Holy moly! It's Mickey Mouse!
1201
01:21:35,855 --> 01:21:36,856
[chattering]
1202
01:21:36,939 --> 01:21:38,066
[trumpets blaring]
1203
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,487
[Iger] They wanted to restore Mickey
to his glory and make sure,
1204
01:21:42,570 --> 01:21:44,947
because Mickey didn't
take himself too seriously,
1205
01:21:45,031 --> 01:21:47,033
we weren't taking Mickey so seriously.
1206
01:21:47,116 --> 01:21:48,117
[humming]
1207
01:21:48,201 --> 01:21:49,202
[whoops]
1208
01:21:49,285 --> 01:21:52,080
[fan] The new shorts actually,
that version of Mickey, to me,
1209
01:21:52,163 --> 01:21:55,833
is the first time I've seen that kind of
truest version of him in a long time.
1210
01:21:55,917 --> 01:21:58,252
I'm coming, Minnie!
1211
01:21:58,336 --> 01:21:59,545
Fire, fire, fire!
1212
01:21:59,629 --> 01:22:01,422
He's, like, coming into his personality.
1213
01:22:01,506 --> 01:22:04,425
He's not holding back.
The sky is the limit for him.
1214
01:22:06,010 --> 01:22:07,929
[Rudish] He's still allowed to be a goober
1215
01:22:08,012 --> 01:22:12,558
and still allowed to be sad
and happy and angry. All of it.
1216
01:22:12,642 --> 01:22:14,143
[slow music playing on radio]
1217
01:22:15,269 --> 01:22:16,646
Get back here!
1218
01:22:17,897 --> 01:22:21,442
It's been fun to see kids going,
"Wow! These are actually funny!"
1219
01:22:21,526 --> 01:22:22,527
[chuckles]
1220
01:22:24,570 --> 01:22:27,782
[Iger] How do you balance the heritage
that created the character,
1221
01:22:27,865 --> 01:22:31,994
that created the company,
with the need to be innovative and modern?
1222
01:22:32,078 --> 01:22:36,916
The trick is to respect the past
but not revere it.
1223
01:22:43,631 --> 01:22:45,007
Hello.
1224
01:22:45,091 --> 01:22:46,092
[screams]
1225
01:22:47,385 --> 01:22:49,387
Oh, my gosh. Red!
1226
01:22:49,470 --> 01:22:53,224
[MacMullan] There's only really one Mickey
I want to see.
1227
01:22:53,307 --> 01:22:56,060
And that's that old-time Mickey.
1228
01:22:56,144 --> 01:22:57,145
-Mickey!
-Minnie!
1229
01:22:57,228 --> 01:22:59,814
When he came out of the screen,
we didn't want him to feel like,
1230
01:23:00,314 --> 01:23:02,900
"Oh, he's the new Mickey."
We wanted him to feel like,
1231
01:23:02,984 --> 01:23:05,945
"This is Mickey, just outside of
his black-and-white screen."
1232
01:23:06,988 --> 01:23:09,365
There was a moment on the film
when we were like,
1233
01:23:09,449 --> 01:23:16,456
"Wait. So, all the characters are running
in and out of the screen from 2D to CG,
1234
01:23:16,539 --> 01:23:19,250
and they loop, like, six or seven times?"
1235
01:23:19,333 --> 01:23:20,668
And Lauren's like, "Yeah!"
1236
01:23:20,752 --> 01:23:21,753
And we're like…
1237
01:23:23,254 --> 01:23:25,048
"Okay." [laughs]
1238
01:23:26,174 --> 01:23:29,385
I think that's something
that Walt established early on
1239
01:23:29,469 --> 01:23:30,970
where you just-- You never say no.
1240
01:23:31,054 --> 01:23:33,389
You always push boundaries.
You're always innovating.
1241
01:23:33,473 --> 01:23:34,849
[all scream]
1242
01:23:34,932 --> 01:23:37,810
He would've had us
in hologram animation by now.
1243
01:23:39,353 --> 01:23:41,564
[Goldberg] In the same way that the parks
1244
01:23:41,647 --> 01:23:44,317
and the walk-arounds keep
the characters alive,
1245
01:23:45,234 --> 01:23:48,780
new animation helps keep them alive.
1246
01:23:49,447 --> 01:23:53,785
And pencil to paper
is the way that Mickey started.
1247
01:23:53,868 --> 01:23:57,538
And, in many cases,
it's the way he looks the best.
1248
01:24:03,878 --> 01:24:05,630
Well, I just got the short back.
1249
01:24:06,506 --> 01:24:08,341
[birds chirping]
1250
01:24:08,424 --> 01:24:11,719
The thing that I'm really happiest about
in this piece is
1251
01:24:11,803 --> 01:24:13,888
that when you see it all cut together--
1252
01:24:14,722 --> 01:24:18,267
you know, all the Mickeys,
all in one short film--
1253
01:24:19,227 --> 01:24:23,356
it really does feel like
the Mickey that we all love.
1254
01:24:24,565 --> 01:24:26,692
-Good to see you guys!
-Good to see you.
1255
01:24:26,776 --> 01:24:27,985
Good to see you.
1256
01:24:28,069 --> 01:24:29,404
This is gonna be cool.
1257
01:24:29,487 --> 01:24:31,322
[Haycock]
Everything looks better in this theater.
1258
01:24:31,406 --> 01:24:33,408
-[all laughing]
-[Goldberg] Yeah, I think it does.
1259
01:24:33,491 --> 01:24:36,244
You know, if Walt and Ub are watching,
1260
01:24:36,911 --> 01:24:43,751
I'd like to think we did our darndest
to honor them and honor their creation.
1261
01:24:44,460 --> 01:24:46,462
[birds chirping]
1262
01:24:48,005 --> 01:24:50,007
[scatting]
1263
01:24:51,467 --> 01:24:52,635
Oh! Huh.
1264
01:24:53,428 --> 01:24:54,595
Mm-hmm.
1265
01:24:54,679 --> 01:24:56,222
Oh. [chuckles] And there's Pluto.
1266
01:24:57,014 --> 01:24:58,391
Aw, Minnie and I.
1267
01:25:00,226 --> 01:25:03,229
Wow. That one sure gave me a workout.
1268
01:25:03,896 --> 01:25:04,897
Hey!
1269
01:25:04,981 --> 01:25:06,983
[orchestral music playing]
1270
01:25:12,321 --> 01:25:14,824
♪ M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U... ♪
1271
01:25:16,284 --> 01:25:17,285
[shouts]
1272
01:25:20,163 --> 01:25:21,998
Whoo! Whoo!
1273
01:25:26,377 --> 01:25:27,754
[groaning]
1274
01:25:36,804 --> 01:25:38,556
Oh! Gosh. [chuckles]
1275
01:25:40,433 --> 01:25:41,434
[music ends]
1276
01:25:41,517 --> 01:25:42,518
[grunts]
1277
01:25:43,144 --> 01:25:44,687
Well… [chuckles] …what do you know?
1278
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:47,857
Okay, roll it!
1279
01:25:48,649 --> 01:25:50,026
Whoa!
1280
01:25:50,610 --> 01:25:51,819
[Haycock] Yeah, that's it.
1281
01:25:51,903 --> 01:25:53,071
[Henn] All right.
1282
01:25:54,947 --> 01:25:56,949
[Goldberg] You guys did a great job.
1283
01:25:57,033 --> 01:25:59,368
-Absolutely great.
-Thank you. It was fun. A lot of fun.
1284
01:25:59,452 --> 01:26:01,079
Walt would be proud.
1285
01:26:01,162 --> 01:26:03,206
-I hope so.
-[laughs]
1286
01:26:04,832 --> 01:26:05,875
Can we run it again?
1287
01:26:05,958 --> 01:26:06,959
[technician] Yeah.
1288
01:26:08,378 --> 01:26:09,879
[wind howling]
1289
01:26:14,467 --> 01:26:17,303
[Iger] Everybody used to say,
"What would Walt think?"
1290
01:26:17,970 --> 01:26:20,056
I actually think about that a lot.
1291
01:26:22,767 --> 01:26:25,561
Walt would say,
"Never lose sight of the fact
1292
01:26:25,645 --> 01:26:27,355
that it was all started with a mouse."
1293
01:26:27,438 --> 01:26:31,317
But before Mickey Mouse,
it all started with Walt Disney.
1294
01:26:32,151 --> 01:26:34,445
[birds chirping]
1295
01:26:41,536 --> 01:26:45,456
[Malins] One thing that Walt kept
in his office right until the end
1296
01:26:46,082 --> 01:26:50,211
was a hand-drawn map
of the farm here in Marceline.
1297
01:26:57,385 --> 01:27:02,598
And I-- I really like the idea
that even at the end of his life,
1298
01:27:02,682 --> 01:27:08,646
Walt was still thinking about that tree
where he first felt that spark.
1299
01:27:17,238 --> 01:27:19,782
[chattering]
1300
01:27:25,037 --> 01:27:27,749
[Spector] Mickey is a thing we all share.
1301
01:27:28,833 --> 01:27:30,543
There aren't many of those around.
1302
01:27:31,252 --> 01:27:32,295
[cheering]
1303
01:27:32,378 --> 01:27:33,379
[laughing]
1304
01:27:33,463 --> 01:27:39,260
He's grown into
a necessary character for us.
1305
01:27:39,761 --> 01:27:42,930
♪ Who's the leader of the club ♪
1306
01:27:43,014 --> 01:27:47,226
♪ That's made for you and me? ♪
1307
01:27:47,310 --> 01:27:50,605
Whenever I did chemo,
I had to have my Mickey Mouse shorts.
1308
01:27:50,688 --> 01:27:54,067
And this dark and dreary moment
that I was in--
1309
01:27:54,650 --> 01:27:56,402
I found a little hope, you know?
1310
01:27:56,486 --> 01:27:59,405
And I feel like
that's who Mickey Mouse is.
1311
01:28:01,824 --> 01:28:05,328
When I was 13,
I was granted a Make-A-Wish.
1312
01:28:05,411 --> 01:28:09,916
Then seeing Mickey, he just brought,
like, this, um, happiness out of me,
1313
01:28:09,999 --> 01:28:14,003
and, like, made me, uh, remember
that I was still a child.
1314
01:28:14,087 --> 01:28:15,421
[chattering]
1315
01:28:15,505 --> 01:28:16,589
[laughing]
1316
01:28:24,597 --> 01:28:26,724
[Norman] That magical spark…
1317
01:28:27,850 --> 01:28:30,728
I felt it and never forgot it.
1318
01:28:32,355 --> 01:28:33,898
[child] Bye, Mickey!
1319
01:28:33,981 --> 01:28:37,193
[Norman]
At this point, I think Mickey is us.
1320
01:28:37,276 --> 01:28:38,986
[laughs]
1321
01:28:39,070 --> 01:28:43,533
So, wherever we're headed next,
he's coming with us.
1322
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:11,060
[fan 1] I love that Disney
hides Mickey Mouses everywhere.
1323
01:29:11,644 --> 01:29:13,980
[fan 2]
All over the park or any sort of property.
1324
01:29:15,148 --> 01:29:16,941
[Norman]
It's a little secret way of saying,
1325
01:29:17,024 --> 01:29:18,943
"Thank you, Mickey.
You still belong here."
1326
01:29:20,945 --> 01:29:23,573
[fan 1] And the cool thing about it is,
it doesn't stop there.
1327
01:29:23,656 --> 01:29:25,950
You'll leave, and then in real life,
1328
01:29:26,033 --> 01:29:28,995
you'll just notice
Mickey heads everywhere.
1329
01:29:30,079 --> 01:29:31,080
It's like, "Oh, my gosh.
1330
01:29:31,164 --> 01:29:33,499
Okay, wait a minute. Mickey, are you--
are you speaking to me?
1331
01:29:33,583 --> 01:29:36,127
Are you communicating to me?
What is happening here?
1332
01:29:36,210 --> 01:29:37,837
Why am I seeing you everywhere?"
1333
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,088
[laughs]