1 00:00:02,002 --> 00:00:04,872 [dramatic music] 2 00:00:05,005 --> 00:00:11,011 ♪ ♪ 3 00:00:11,111 --> 00:00:14,915 - Hi, everyone, I'm Dan Abrams, and this is "Court Cam." 4 00:00:14,982 --> 00:00:17,384 - You should be ashamed of yourself. 5 00:00:17,518 --> 00:00:19,353 - I want dude off my case. [spits] 6 00:00:19,453 --> 00:00:20,354 ♪ ♪ 7 00:00:20,454 --> 00:00:21,722 - Got a runner. 8 00:00:21,822 --> 00:00:23,624 [people yelling] 9 00:00:23,757 --> 00:00:24,791 - Get out! 10 00:00:24,892 --> 00:00:28,962 - This is not TV court. This is for real. 11 00:00:29,062 --> 00:00:35,402 ♪ ♪ 12 00:00:35,469 --> 00:00:37,037 - First up, we're in Las Vegas, Nevada, 13 00:00:37,137 --> 00:00:40,307 for a sentencing hearing. 14 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,010 30-year-old Deobra Redden has pled guilty 15 00:00:43,110 --> 00:00:46,613 to attempted battery. 16 00:00:46,713 --> 00:00:48,849 Nine months earlier, police say Redden, 17 00:00:48,949 --> 00:00:51,318 who already had a long criminal history, 18 00:00:51,385 --> 00:00:54,454 including convictions for domestic violence and battery, 19 00:00:54,588 --> 00:00:57,758 threatened to break the kneecaps of another man. 20 00:00:57,824 --> 00:00:59,726 He pled guilty and was released 21 00:00:59,826 --> 00:01:01,562 on his own recognizance. 22 00:01:01,662 --> 00:01:03,263 But when Redden failed to appear 23 00:01:03,397 --> 00:01:04,831 for a scheduled court hearing, 24 00:01:04,898 --> 00:01:08,568 a warrant was issued for his arrest. 25 00:01:08,669 --> 00:01:11,438 Today, he appears before Judge Mary Kay Holthus 26 00:01:11,538 --> 00:01:12,973 to hear his sentence. 27 00:01:13,073 --> 00:01:16,510 He's represented by public defender Caesar Almase. 28 00:01:16,643 --> 00:01:18,078 The prosecution is asking 29 00:01:18,145 --> 00:01:21,748 that Redden serve 19 to 48 months in prison. 30 00:01:21,882 --> 00:01:23,150 - Mr. Redden, is there anything you want to say 31 00:01:23,283 --> 00:01:25,285 on your own behalf before I pronounce sentence? 32 00:01:34,661 --> 00:01:36,063 - Have you looked at your criminal history? 33 00:01:39,099 --> 00:01:40,467 - I mean, you lived it, I suppose. 34 00:01:41,535 --> 00:01:42,769 - Yeah. 35 00:01:42,869 --> 00:01:44,705 Three felonies, a gross, nine misdemeanors, 36 00:01:44,838 --> 00:01:47,441 multiple DVs. 37 00:01:47,507 --> 00:01:48,942 Got a lot going on, sir. 38 00:01:49,076 --> 00:01:52,145 Battery on a protected person, robberies, 39 00:01:52,279 --> 00:01:54,047 attempt home invasion. 40 00:01:54,147 --> 00:01:55,248 Mr. Almase? 41 00:02:09,096 --> 00:02:11,798 - Judge Holthus considers the defense's request 42 00:02:11,865 --> 00:02:14,401 but ultimately disagrees. 43 00:02:14,468 --> 00:02:16,003 - I appreciate that, but I think it's time 44 00:02:16,069 --> 00:02:17,838 that he gets a taste of something else, 45 00:02:17,904 --> 00:02:20,440 because I just can't with that history. 46 00:02:20,540 --> 00:02:21,942 In accordance with the laws of the state of Nevada, 47 00:02:22,075 --> 00:02:23,076 this court-- 48 00:02:24,111 --> 00:02:25,312 - Hey! - Whoa, whoa, whoa! Hey! 49 00:02:25,445 --> 00:02:27,781 Whoa. - Hey. Hey. 50 00:02:27,914 --> 00:02:28,782 - Hey. - [grunts] 51 00:02:28,915 --> 00:02:31,018 - That's [bleep] up. 52 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:32,819 - Hey. 53 00:02:32,953 --> 00:02:35,756 - [grunts] - [yells indistinctly] 54 00:02:35,822 --> 00:02:36,823 [tape whirs] 55 00:02:36,957 --> 00:02:38,125 - Without warning, 56 00:02:38,225 --> 00:02:40,460 Redden charges across the courtroom, 57 00:02:40,594 --> 00:02:43,964 launching himself over the bench and on top of the judge. 58 00:02:44,064 --> 00:02:46,033 - Whoa. Hey! Hey! - Oh, my God. 59 00:02:46,099 --> 00:02:48,068 - That's the court clerk, Michael Lasso, 60 00:02:48,201 --> 00:02:51,171 coming to the aid of the 62-year-old judge. 61 00:02:51,271 --> 00:02:52,806 - Hey! - [bleep]. 62 00:02:52,873 --> 00:02:54,608 - And Lasso soon gets some help 63 00:02:54,708 --> 00:02:56,476 from Marshal Shane Brandon 64 00:02:56,543 --> 00:02:58,879 as they try to restrain the defendant. 65 00:03:02,582 --> 00:03:04,551 - Redden continues fighting 66 00:03:04,618 --> 00:03:07,587 as Chief Deputy District Attorney Jory Scarborough 67 00:03:07,654 --> 00:03:09,956 enters the fray. 68 00:03:10,023 --> 00:03:11,992 But Redden refuses to quit. 69 00:03:12,059 --> 00:03:13,627 - [bleep] - [yells indistinctly] 70 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,029 - So Lasso starts throwing his own punches. 71 00:03:16,129 --> 00:03:19,433 - [screaming] - [grunting] 72 00:03:19,499 --> 00:03:20,934 - Get off her. Get off her. 73 00:03:21,034 --> 00:03:23,003 - Additional marshals enter the courtroom. 74 00:03:23,070 --> 00:03:24,838 Redden is eventually subdued. 75 00:03:24,938 --> 00:03:27,174 - Please. Please. Please. 76 00:03:28,575 --> 00:03:29,943 [tense music] 77 00:03:30,077 --> 00:03:32,446 - Judge Holthus hit her head against the wall, 78 00:03:32,512 --> 00:03:34,514 suffered some bumps and bruises, 79 00:03:34,581 --> 00:03:37,684 but made a full recovery. 80 00:03:37,784 --> 00:03:40,387 Marshal Brandon dislocated his shoulder 81 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,456 and suffered a gash on his forehead 82 00:03:42,589 --> 00:03:44,991 that required several stitches. 83 00:03:45,058 --> 00:03:47,427 Redden suffered no major injuries 84 00:03:47,527 --> 00:03:50,764 and was taken into custody. 85 00:03:50,864 --> 00:03:52,766 For the courtroom incident, Redden was charged 86 00:03:52,866 --> 00:03:55,602 with attempted murder against an older person, 87 00:03:55,669 --> 00:03:58,238 battery, battery on a protected person, 88 00:03:58,338 --> 00:03:59,673 and other charges. 89 00:03:59,806 --> 00:04:02,642 ♪ ♪ 90 00:04:02,709 --> 00:04:05,278 Five days after the attack on Judge Holthus, 91 00:04:05,378 --> 00:04:07,114 Redden returned to court, 92 00:04:07,247 --> 00:04:11,718 this time surrounded by marshals and wearing cuffs, 93 00:04:11,785 --> 00:04:16,223 protective mitts, and a spit mask. 94 00:04:16,356 --> 00:04:17,758 ♪ ♪ 95 00:04:17,824 --> 00:04:19,392 The judge returned too, 96 00:04:19,493 --> 00:04:22,429 this time successfully imposing her sentence 97 00:04:22,496 --> 00:04:24,631 for Redden's original charges. 98 00:04:24,698 --> 00:04:27,601 - For purposes of the record, I want to make it clear 99 00:04:27,667 --> 00:04:30,070 that I am not changing or modifying the sentence 100 00:04:30,203 --> 00:04:33,240 I was in the process of imposing last week 101 00:04:33,340 --> 00:04:36,710 before I was interrupted by Defendant's actions. 102 00:04:36,843 --> 00:04:38,812 ♪ ♪ 103 00:04:38,912 --> 00:04:42,582 - Redden was sentenced to 19 to 48 months in prison. 104 00:04:42,716 --> 00:04:46,753 As for his new charges, the case is pending. 105 00:04:46,820 --> 00:04:48,788 If found guilty of those charges, 106 00:04:48,889 --> 00:04:54,594 he's facing anywhere from 8 to 60 years in prison. 107 00:04:54,661 --> 00:04:58,365 ♪ ♪ 108 00:04:58,465 --> 00:05:00,233 Next, we're in Fairfield, Iowa, 109 00:05:00,333 --> 00:05:03,637 for a sentencing hearing. 110 00:05:03,737 --> 00:05:06,506 18-year-old Jeremy Goodale has pled guilty 111 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,408 to first-degree murder. 112 00:05:08,508 --> 00:05:10,944 ♪ ♪ 113 00:05:11,077 --> 00:05:13,113 Two years earlier, police say Goodale 114 00:05:13,246 --> 00:05:15,382 and his classmate, Willard Miller, 115 00:05:15,515 --> 00:05:18,485 both 16 at the time, conspired to kill 116 00:05:18,585 --> 00:05:22,789 Miller's Spanish teacher, 66-year-old Nohema Graber. 117 00:05:22,889 --> 00:05:23,990 The reason? 118 00:05:24,090 --> 00:05:26,393 Miller was upset because Nohema gave him 119 00:05:26,459 --> 00:05:29,963 a failing grade in her class. 120 00:05:30,063 --> 00:05:32,432 Nohema, a wife and mother of three, 121 00:05:32,532 --> 00:05:35,202 was walking in the park one afternoon when police say 122 00:05:35,268 --> 00:05:38,438 Miller snuck up behind her and struck her several times 123 00:05:38,505 --> 00:05:40,707 with a baseball bat. 124 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:43,743 After Goodale also struck Nohema with the bat, 125 00:05:43,877 --> 00:05:47,514 the boys covered her body with a tarp and wheelbarrow. 126 00:05:47,614 --> 00:05:52,419 Police discovered her lifeless body the next day. 127 00:05:52,552 --> 00:05:55,622 After Goodale and Miller both posted about the incident 128 00:05:55,755 --> 00:05:58,825 on social media, they were quickly arrested. 129 00:05:58,959 --> 00:06:01,428 Both defendants confessed to the crime, 130 00:06:01,494 --> 00:06:04,497 pled guilty, and were charged as adults. 131 00:06:04,631 --> 00:06:06,032 ♪ ♪ 132 00:06:06,099 --> 00:06:08,602 Today, Goodale appears before Judge Shawn Showers 133 00:06:08,668 --> 00:06:10,237 to hear his sentence. 134 00:06:10,303 --> 00:06:12,606 Because he was a juvenile at the time of the murder, 135 00:06:12,672 --> 00:06:15,609 Goodale will be spared the death penalty and must, 136 00:06:15,709 --> 00:06:19,246 according to Iowa law, be given a chance at parole. 137 00:06:19,312 --> 00:06:21,648 The state is asking for a minimum sentence 138 00:06:21,748 --> 00:06:23,750 of 25 years in prison. 139 00:06:23,817 --> 00:06:28,355 Before he's sentenced, Goodale delivers an apology. 140 00:06:28,421 --> 00:06:31,424 - What I've taken can never be replaced. 141 00:06:31,558 --> 00:06:33,927 I didn't know how taking Ms. Graber's life 142 00:06:34,027 --> 00:06:36,496 would affect you. 143 00:06:36,630 --> 00:06:38,498 I'm sorry I didn't stop this from happening 144 00:06:38,632 --> 00:06:41,234 in the first place. 145 00:06:41,301 --> 00:06:43,236 [sniffles, exhales heavily] 146 00:06:43,336 --> 00:06:45,872 I'm so sorry. 147 00:06:46,006 --> 00:06:48,842 - When he's finished, Nohema's son, Christian, 148 00:06:48,908 --> 00:06:52,545 delivers a surprising message to the defendant. 149 00:06:52,679 --> 00:06:55,482 - I thought a lot about what I was gonna say in this moment. 150 00:06:55,548 --> 00:06:57,317 [somber music] 151 00:06:57,384 --> 00:07:01,421 Mostly, I wanna think about what my mother would want. 152 00:07:01,554 --> 00:07:04,958 And as you all know, my mother loved everybody. 153 00:07:05,025 --> 00:07:07,193 That includes you. 154 00:07:07,260 --> 00:07:09,396 I really do believe that you-- 155 00:07:09,462 --> 00:07:10,897 that you feel bad for what you did. 156 00:07:11,031 --> 00:07:16,369 And--and I believe in you, and I do forgive you. 157 00:07:16,469 --> 00:07:19,205 - The last person to speak is Judge Showers. 158 00:07:19,272 --> 00:07:22,509 - The nature of the offense is heinous. 159 00:07:22,642 --> 00:07:24,644 But this was not cheating on a math test. 160 00:07:24,711 --> 00:07:27,914 This was the premeditated murder of a human being 161 00:07:28,014 --> 00:07:31,584 because Mr. Miller did not like his grade. 162 00:07:31,718 --> 00:07:34,721 I've considered your youth and developing brain 163 00:07:34,821 --> 00:07:38,325 along with your intent and actions. 164 00:07:38,425 --> 00:07:41,394 The court finds the defendants shall be sentenced 165 00:07:41,461 --> 00:07:45,231 to life with the possibility of parole after 25 years. 166 00:07:45,298 --> 00:07:48,468 [tense music] 167 00:07:48,601 --> 00:07:52,872 - Goodale will be eligible for parole in the year 2048, 168 00:07:53,006 --> 00:07:55,342 when he'd be 45 years old. 169 00:07:55,475 --> 00:07:58,111 As for Miller, he was sentenced to life in prison 170 00:07:58,244 --> 00:08:01,581 with the possibility of parole after 35 years, 171 00:08:01,715 --> 00:08:05,819 when he'd be 55 years old. 172 00:08:09,422 --> 00:08:10,590 - Next, we're in Ann Arbor, Michigan, 173 00:08:10,690 --> 00:08:12,325 for an arraignment. 174 00:08:12,425 --> 00:08:13,927 ♪ ♪ 175 00:08:14,027 --> 00:08:19,199 28-year-old Shaquill-O'Neal Anfernee-Hardaway Tubbs 176 00:08:19,265 --> 00:08:20,633 has been charged with assault 177 00:08:20,734 --> 00:08:22,902 with intent to do great bodily harm, 178 00:08:23,036 --> 00:08:24,771 aggravated domestic violence, 179 00:08:24,871 --> 00:08:29,242 and destruction of personal property. 180 00:08:29,309 --> 00:08:31,277 Two days earlier, police say Tubbs got 181 00:08:31,378 --> 00:08:34,481 into a physical altercation with the woman he lives with. 182 00:08:34,581 --> 00:08:36,149 He also smashed a phone 183 00:08:36,282 --> 00:08:39,085 and assaulted a male acquaintance. 184 00:08:39,185 --> 00:08:41,388 This is his second domestic violence charge 185 00:08:41,521 --> 00:08:43,990 in three months, and if found guilty, 186 00:08:44,090 --> 00:08:48,361 Tubbs could be looking at 15 years in prison. 187 00:08:48,428 --> 00:08:51,431 Today, he appears before Magistrate Tamara Garwood 188 00:08:51,531 --> 00:08:53,233 to find out if he'll make bond. 189 00:08:53,333 --> 00:08:57,437 Tubbs is being represented by public defender Natalie Pate. 190 00:08:57,537 --> 00:09:00,240 The prosecutor is Jennifer Tink. 191 00:09:00,306 --> 00:09:02,075 - In this case, Mr. Tubbs has 192 00:09:02,142 --> 00:09:04,544 an extensive domestic violence history, 193 00:09:04,677 --> 00:09:08,648 in particular with the same victim in this case. 194 00:09:08,715 --> 00:09:13,953 We would be asking for a $500,000 surety bond. 195 00:09:14,020 --> 00:09:15,555 ♪ ♪ 196 00:09:15,622 --> 00:09:17,190 - Thank you. Ms. Pate? 197 00:09:17,290 --> 00:09:18,358 - Thank you, Your Honor. 198 00:09:18,425 --> 00:09:20,727 I do ask for the court's consideration 199 00:09:20,827 --> 00:09:22,996 in adding a 10% privilege 200 00:09:23,062 --> 00:09:25,432 to the cash surety component of bond. 201 00:09:25,532 --> 00:09:27,200 - Uh, Ma'am? Ma'am? 202 00:09:27,267 --> 00:09:28,868 Can I say--can I say-- - Mr. Tubbs-- 203 00:09:29,002 --> 00:09:30,103 - I thought you were-- - Mr. Tubbs-- 204 00:09:30,236 --> 00:09:33,239 - Can I get a breakout room with my attorney? 205 00:09:33,306 --> 00:09:36,476 - You already had a breakout room with Ms. Pate. 206 00:09:36,543 --> 00:09:40,613 - Yeah, but we never discussed nothing like that. 207 00:09:40,713 --> 00:09:45,819 Can I get, like, five minutes before we get to that? 208 00:09:45,952 --> 00:09:47,287 - Stop talking. Just stop talking. 209 00:09:47,387 --> 00:09:49,789 Stop talking. Stop talking. 210 00:09:49,856 --> 00:09:51,858 I will put you into a breakout room, 211 00:09:51,991 --> 00:09:52,992 but I will tell you this. 212 00:09:53,092 --> 00:09:55,228 When you come out of that breakout room, 213 00:09:55,361 --> 00:09:57,096 if you interrupt me again, 214 00:09:57,230 --> 00:09:59,165 you will be muted. 215 00:09:59,265 --> 00:10:00,900 - Tubbs exits the room, 216 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,303 and a deputy helps him connect with his attorney 217 00:10:03,436 --> 00:10:05,638 for an offline conversation. 218 00:10:05,705 --> 00:10:08,575 A few minutes later, the deputy returns 219 00:10:08,675 --> 00:10:10,543 but without Tubbs. 220 00:10:10,677 --> 00:10:13,146 - What happened to Mr. Tubbs? 221 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:15,648 - Uh, he left. 222 00:10:15,748 --> 00:10:18,351 He got up and walked out of the room. 223 00:10:18,418 --> 00:10:20,487 - Okay, well, we didn't finish with him. 224 00:10:20,587 --> 00:10:22,789 - I'll go talk to him and see what's going on. 225 00:10:22,856 --> 00:10:23,857 - Okay, thanks. 226 00:10:38,404 --> 00:10:40,306 I got nothing else to say to you. 227 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,475 Thank you. 228 00:10:42,542 --> 00:10:43,476 You heard me? 229 00:10:43,543 --> 00:10:44,944 - I--oh, I heard you. 230 00:10:45,078 --> 00:10:47,080 I heard you. - Oh, okay. 231 00:10:47,180 --> 00:10:48,681 Where is my lawyer at? 232 00:10:48,748 --> 00:10:51,618 But now it's just like so much [bleep]. 233 00:10:51,751 --> 00:10:54,120 - Mr. Tubbs, I'm just gonna mute you for now 234 00:10:54,187 --> 00:10:55,955 so I can hear Ms. Pate. 235 00:10:56,022 --> 00:10:57,156 - You ain't... [muted speech] 236 00:10:57,223 --> 00:10:59,125 - With Tubbs now muted, 237 00:10:59,225 --> 00:11:01,794 his lawyer continues to address bond conditions. 238 00:11:01,895 --> 00:11:04,164 - Well, Mr. Tubbs would like me to tell the court 239 00:11:04,264 --> 00:11:06,199 that he is not a flight risk, 240 00:11:06,266 --> 00:11:08,401 and he has been a county resident his whole life, 241 00:11:08,501 --> 00:11:10,837 and he does have the support of his mother. 242 00:11:10,904 --> 00:11:12,639 - Thank you. 243 00:11:12,739 --> 00:11:15,909 As far as bond conditions are concerned, 244 00:11:16,042 --> 00:11:20,013 I will unmute you, Mr. Tubbs, 245 00:11:20,113 --> 00:11:22,315 because I want to make sure you understand 246 00:11:22,415 --> 00:11:24,918 each of your bond conditions. 247 00:11:24,984 --> 00:11:28,521 - But for one, I'm not a flight wi--risk. 248 00:11:28,588 --> 00:11:31,658 For two, I have no income. 249 00:11:31,791 --> 00:11:35,695 What's wrong with putting me on a GPS tether? 250 00:11:35,828 --> 00:11:37,764 - The judge mutes Tubbs again 251 00:11:37,864 --> 00:11:40,967 and expresses concerns about a potential bond. 252 00:11:41,034 --> 00:11:43,570 - You've indicated that you are not a flight risk, 253 00:11:43,670 --> 00:11:45,071 but in your criminal history, 254 00:11:45,204 --> 00:11:49,242 I can see a conviction for tampering 255 00:11:49,309 --> 00:11:52,745 with an electronic monitoring device. 256 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:55,415 So that demonstrates to me 257 00:11:55,515 --> 00:11:57,750 that you are, in fact, a flight risk. 258 00:11:57,817 --> 00:12:01,821 So with that information, I am not going to release you 259 00:12:01,955 --> 00:12:03,756 on your own personal recognizance. 260 00:12:03,823 --> 00:12:05,758 The only way you would be released-- 261 00:12:05,825 --> 00:12:09,228 you're muted, so it might make more sense 262 00:12:09,295 --> 00:12:11,798 for you to listen to me, but that's your choice. 263 00:12:11,864 --> 00:12:13,299 ♪ ♪ 264 00:12:13,433 --> 00:12:17,170 - Tubbs flips off the judge before standing up. 265 00:12:17,270 --> 00:12:19,906 - I would note for the record, Mr. Tubbs is standing, 266 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:21,674 yelling, and giving me the finger. 267 00:12:21,808 --> 00:12:23,076 I'm gonna set a cash bond-- 268 00:12:23,176 --> 00:12:27,714 $500,000, cash or surety, no 10% privilege. 269 00:12:27,847 --> 00:12:29,515 ♪ ♪ 270 00:12:29,616 --> 00:12:31,684 - Tubbs has pled not guilty. 271 00:12:31,784 --> 00:12:38,258 His case is pending. 272 00:12:38,258 --> 00:12:40,727 - Next, we go to a hearing in Detroit, Michigan. 273 00:12:40,827 --> 00:12:42,395 ♪ ♪ 274 00:12:42,495 --> 00:12:46,032 44-year-old Michael Goins has been charged 275 00:12:46,132 --> 00:12:50,670 with driving an unregistered vehicle. 276 00:12:50,803 --> 00:12:54,274 A month earlier, Goins was ticketed and pled not guilty. 277 00:12:54,407 --> 00:12:56,075 And today, he appears virtually 278 00:12:56,209 --> 00:12:58,011 before Judge Sean Perkins 279 00:12:58,111 --> 00:13:00,880 to discuss next steps in the case. 280 00:13:00,947 --> 00:13:02,415 - Michael Wayne Goins, you here? 281 00:13:02,515 --> 00:13:05,018 - Yes, sir, Michael Goins here. 282 00:13:05,151 --> 00:13:07,420 - Do you have bail and registration, sir? 283 00:13:07,553 --> 00:13:08,955 - Yes, sir. 284 00:13:09,022 --> 00:13:10,356 - Let's see what you have, please. 285 00:13:10,423 --> 00:13:13,359 [tense music] 286 00:13:13,426 --> 00:13:14,994 ♪ ♪ 287 00:13:15,061 --> 00:13:16,329 Very well. 288 00:13:16,429 --> 00:13:17,997 You can put it down. 289 00:13:18,064 --> 00:13:19,999 ♪ ♪ 290 00:13:30,076 --> 00:13:31,511 - Goins catches a break. 291 00:13:31,644 --> 00:13:36,282 Now all he needs to do is exit the call quietly. 292 00:13:36,382 --> 00:13:38,217 But that is not what happens. 293 00:13:40,653 --> 00:13:43,589 ♪ ♪ 294 00:13:43,690 --> 00:13:45,391 - Mr. Goins? 295 00:13:45,458 --> 00:13:49,595 - Looks like Goins' hearing may not be finished after all. 296 00:13:49,662 --> 00:13:52,165 - You're in contempt of court, Mr. Goins. 297 00:13:52,265 --> 00:13:54,667 Yeah, I heard your comment, sir. 298 00:13:54,801 --> 00:13:57,403 - I know, sir. I'm sorry. 299 00:13:57,470 --> 00:14:00,039 - 'Cause now we're gonna deal with it, all right? 300 00:14:00,106 --> 00:14:03,543 We'll take you last, 'cause I'm gonna show you-- 301 00:14:03,676 --> 00:14:05,078 I'ma show you how that can-- 302 00:14:05,144 --> 00:14:08,348 how I can be what you said I am. 303 00:14:08,481 --> 00:14:10,116 - I understand. 304 00:14:10,216 --> 00:14:12,151 - While Goins waits on the call, 305 00:14:12,218 --> 00:14:14,020 the judge spends the next two hours 306 00:14:14,153 --> 00:14:16,155 dealing with other cases. 307 00:14:16,222 --> 00:14:18,991 - All right, Mr. Goins. 308 00:14:19,058 --> 00:14:20,626 - Hello. 309 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,696 - What did you call me? 310 00:14:23,830 --> 00:14:25,164 ♪ ♪ 311 00:14:25,264 --> 00:14:26,499 - I didn't call you anything. 312 00:14:26,632 --> 00:14:28,835 I thought the phone was off. 313 00:14:28,968 --> 00:14:30,103 - No. 314 00:14:30,236 --> 00:14:31,771 You did call me something. 315 00:14:31,871 --> 00:14:33,272 And you thought the phone was off, 316 00:14:33,406 --> 00:14:36,209 and you didn't think I heard you. 317 00:14:36,275 --> 00:14:40,012 So let me hear what you called me. 318 00:14:40,113 --> 00:14:41,714 - Uh... 319 00:14:41,848 --> 00:14:43,916 what the-- [chuckles] 320 00:14:43,983 --> 00:14:48,554 A-a-a [bleep], Your Honor. 321 00:14:48,654 --> 00:14:51,157 - Yeah, that's what I thought. 322 00:14:51,224 --> 00:14:53,359 ♪ ♪ 323 00:14:53,426 --> 00:14:54,660 - Your Honor, please-- 324 00:14:54,794 --> 00:14:56,262 please accept my apology, man. 325 00:14:56,396 --> 00:14:57,430 I'm sorry, man. 326 00:14:57,497 --> 00:15:00,233 I don't need these problems, please. 327 00:15:00,333 --> 00:15:02,068 - No, I didn't bring the problems on you. 328 00:15:02,201 --> 00:15:03,169 - I know you didn't. 329 00:15:03,236 --> 00:15:04,670 - I tried to do the best I could, 330 00:15:04,804 --> 00:15:06,105 just like I've done everybody else 331 00:15:06,239 --> 00:15:09,041 to get everybody outta here efficiently 332 00:15:09,142 --> 00:15:10,877 and give 'em a fair deal 333 00:15:10,943 --> 00:15:14,080 and give 'em a fair opportunity to be heard. 334 00:15:14,147 --> 00:15:15,681 - Judge Perkins explains the situation 335 00:15:15,782 --> 00:15:18,484 to Elwood Berry, the public defender. 336 00:15:18,584 --> 00:15:22,955 - Right now, well, we can have a contempt hearing. 337 00:15:23,022 --> 00:15:25,625 Because in the court's presence, 338 00:15:25,758 --> 00:15:29,595 he laid out some very descriptive expletives. 339 00:15:29,662 --> 00:15:33,599 And I don't know what I did to him. 340 00:15:33,666 --> 00:15:36,035 Maybe he doesn't like the way I run my show. 341 00:15:36,169 --> 00:15:38,104 I think I need to put him in a breakout room 342 00:15:38,237 --> 00:15:40,440 with you, Mr. Berry. 343 00:15:40,506 --> 00:15:43,042 - After a few private minutes in a breakout room, 344 00:15:43,109 --> 00:15:46,813 Berry tries to smooth things over with the judge. 345 00:15:46,913 --> 00:15:49,515 - Your Honor, the situation is this. 346 00:15:49,649 --> 00:15:52,752 The Goins have a 20-year-old autistic child, 347 00:15:52,819 --> 00:15:56,556 who, in the last 24 hours, has been very, very difficult. 348 00:15:56,656 --> 00:15:59,192 And when Mr. Goins spoke those words, 349 00:15:59,258 --> 00:16:01,828 he was directing his comments 350 00:16:01,961 --> 00:16:05,031 to his wife about the difficulties they've had. 351 00:16:05,131 --> 00:16:09,268 And inadvertently, the channel was open to the court. 352 00:16:09,402 --> 00:16:13,239 But these comments were not directed at the court. 353 00:16:13,306 --> 00:16:14,607 - I don't--I don't agree. 354 00:16:14,674 --> 00:16:17,410 ♪ ♪ 355 00:16:17,510 --> 00:16:20,313 I think Mr. Goins has all but admitted 356 00:16:20,446 --> 00:16:22,482 they were directed to the court. 357 00:16:22,582 --> 00:16:25,718 - Judge Perkins may not be buying the explanation, 358 00:16:25,785 --> 00:16:28,621 but he still shows the defendant some compassion. 359 00:16:28,754 --> 00:16:29,755 - I get it. 360 00:16:29,822 --> 00:16:32,725 Dealing with a child who's autistic 361 00:16:32,825 --> 00:16:37,630 and having to deal with that can be a heavy burden. 362 00:16:37,697 --> 00:16:41,100 So you know something, Mr. Goins? 363 00:16:41,234 --> 00:16:44,637 I don't--I'm gonna let it go at that. 364 00:16:44,737 --> 00:16:48,241 I'ma pray for you and your wife and your family. 365 00:16:48,307 --> 00:16:51,077 I'm gonna wish you a very happy new year. 366 00:16:51,177 --> 00:16:54,146 And I hope you can control your frustrations 367 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,083 a little bit better next time, all right? 368 00:16:57,149 --> 00:16:59,552 - Thank you. I appreciate you. 369 00:16:59,652 --> 00:17:02,688 - Judge Perkins dropped the contempt charge 370 00:17:02,788 --> 00:17:06,058 and Goins' case was dismissed. 371 00:17:09,662 --> 00:17:12,632 - Next, we're in Burlington, Vermont, for an arraignment. 372 00:17:12,698 --> 00:17:15,268 [tense music] 373 00:17:15,401 --> 00:17:17,970 52-year-old Eric Edson has been charged 374 00:17:18,070 --> 00:17:21,574 with robbery with a weapon, assault, grand larceny, 375 00:17:21,674 --> 00:17:23,442 and a number of other charges. 376 00:17:23,542 --> 00:17:25,544 ♪ ♪ 377 00:17:25,678 --> 00:17:27,046 A week earlier, police were called 378 00:17:27,113 --> 00:17:29,615 to do a welfare check on Edson 379 00:17:29,715 --> 00:17:32,585 and found him passed out in a running car. 380 00:17:32,718 --> 00:17:35,354 When he woke up, police tried to question him, 381 00:17:35,454 --> 00:17:37,156 but Edson drove away, 382 00:17:37,256 --> 00:17:41,594 injuring two officers in the process. 383 00:17:41,694 --> 00:17:44,196 At the time, Edson was on furlough 384 00:17:44,263 --> 00:17:46,899 for a previous sentence of grand larceny 385 00:17:47,033 --> 00:17:48,801 and eluding law enforcement. 386 00:17:48,868 --> 00:17:52,238 He also has a criminal record dating back to 1987 387 00:17:52,305 --> 00:17:55,074 with over 40 felony convictions, 388 00:17:55,207 --> 00:17:58,477 including home invasion and burglary. 389 00:18:02,915 --> 00:18:04,150 - Nothing's gonna change this man. 390 00:18:04,283 --> 00:18:06,085 This is what he is. 391 00:18:06,185 --> 00:18:07,520 - After fleeing from police, 392 00:18:07,586 --> 00:18:09,755 investigators say he later ditched the car, 393 00:18:09,822 --> 00:18:10,923 stole a bike, 394 00:18:10,990 --> 00:18:13,592 and made his way to Lake Champlain, 395 00:18:13,659 --> 00:18:15,261 where he used a paddleboard 396 00:18:15,394 --> 00:18:18,297 and later a sailboat to elude police. 397 00:18:18,431 --> 00:18:20,433 ♪ ♪ 398 00:18:20,499 --> 00:18:23,402 Eventually, Edson grounded the sailboat and fled on foot 399 00:18:23,502 --> 00:18:27,039 into a wooded area only accessible by boat. 400 00:18:27,106 --> 00:18:30,443 A local man who knew Edson was being chased by police 401 00:18:30,509 --> 00:18:32,511 captured the scene on his phone camera. 402 00:18:32,645 --> 00:18:34,513 - This dude's trying to run away. 403 00:18:34,647 --> 00:18:36,749 He stole this boat. 404 00:18:36,882 --> 00:18:39,585 - Police temporarily suspended their search. 405 00:18:39,719 --> 00:18:42,154 But a week later, Edson reemerged 406 00:18:42,254 --> 00:18:44,190 in nearby Lamoille County 407 00:18:44,323 --> 00:18:46,993 and was spotted on a home security camera. 408 00:18:47,093 --> 00:18:50,162 That's when investigators say he stole a tractor, 409 00:18:50,229 --> 00:18:52,398 then a dump truck before heading north 410 00:18:52,465 --> 00:18:55,801 to Franklin County as police closed in. 411 00:18:55,868 --> 00:18:58,371 Finally, Edson stole a kayak. 412 00:18:58,471 --> 00:19:01,440 But by then, when he tried to make his way to shore, 413 00:19:01,507 --> 00:19:03,009 police had him surrounded. 414 00:19:03,075 --> 00:19:06,612 And after a brief foot chase, he was arrested. 415 00:19:06,712 --> 00:19:08,247 Edson was treated at a local hospital 416 00:19:08,314 --> 00:19:12,785 with minor injuries and officially charged. 417 00:19:12,918 --> 00:19:14,987 Today, he appears remotely from jail 418 00:19:15,121 --> 00:19:17,289 before Judge Michael Harris to hear 419 00:19:17,390 --> 00:19:19,191 if he'll be released on bond. 420 00:19:19,291 --> 00:19:22,628 Seated in the gallery is Dina Wells Edson, 421 00:19:22,762 --> 00:19:24,397 the defendant's wife. 422 00:19:24,463 --> 00:19:26,465 Before things even get started, 423 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:29,869 Edson makes a comment about one of his charges. 424 00:19:30,002 --> 00:19:31,337 - I'm not guilty of armed robbery. 425 00:19:31,437 --> 00:19:33,572 I'm just gonna let everybody know that right now. 426 00:19:33,672 --> 00:19:35,041 - Well-- - I'm not a violent person, 427 00:19:35,141 --> 00:19:37,476 and I didn't mean to-- I didn't do anything. 428 00:19:37,610 --> 00:19:39,412 - And I think your attorney is--what they will 429 00:19:39,512 --> 00:19:41,614 usually recommend is that you not make statements. 430 00:19:41,714 --> 00:19:43,949 You're presumed innocent, sir, and you're gonna have-- 431 00:19:44,083 --> 00:19:47,353 have the same rights as anyone. 432 00:19:47,453 --> 00:19:49,588 - The judge denies Edson bond, 433 00:19:49,722 --> 00:19:52,758 and he pleads not guilty to all charges. 434 00:19:52,825 --> 00:19:54,527 As the hearing comes to an end, 435 00:19:54,627 --> 00:19:57,229 his wife sends him a supportive wave... 436 00:19:57,363 --> 00:19:59,398 - I love you. 437 00:19:59,465 --> 00:20:01,567 - And tells a local news reporter 438 00:20:01,667 --> 00:20:04,603 that her husband is not a threat to the community. 439 00:20:04,670 --> 00:20:06,772 - He's a good person, and anybody will tell you 440 00:20:06,872 --> 00:20:10,109 that he's not a violent person. 441 00:20:10,242 --> 00:20:12,244 - Because he's a habitual offender, 442 00:20:12,311 --> 00:20:13,612 if he's found guilty, 443 00:20:13,712 --> 00:20:16,882 Edson could be sentenced to 15 years in prison. 444 00:20:16,982 --> 00:20:20,619 His case is pending. 445 00:20:20,753 --> 00:20:22,488 That's it for this edition of "Court Cam." 446 00:20:22,588 --> 00:20:23,789 I'm Dan Abrams. 447 00:20:23,923 --> 00:20:24,857 Thanks for watching. 448 00:20:24,990 --> 00:20:29,328 ♪ ♪