ANDY: Tonight on
"The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" Reunion...
You seem to insinuate that Meredith had a pill problem.
-I mean, that's what I was told. -That is a bitchy thing to say.
[bleep] you. Never talk to me again.
I don't wanna participate in the Mean Girl bullsh--.
He--He was acting like a lunatic. Security came.
Don't talk about my husband's character. Do not.
Don't talk about myhusband's character.
Your husband's character the whole world knows about.
You apparently have zero people skills.
I have very good people skills, Angie.
I haven't been the one trying to get on the show for three years.
I have never said that before. Never!
It's funny that you'll believe someone
going to prison for lying over me.
Hi, Jen. I have you on speaker at the Reunion.
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I woke up in my pajamas and a horrible black eye.
It was terrifying.
It looked like you were assaulted.
Do you think Jen punched you in the eye?
"The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" Reunion starts now.
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[siren wailing, horn blares]
Hi! Thank you.
Thank you.
I love New York in the rain.
Do you feel any nerves or anything, Whitney?
Not at all, because I feel like all season I was so gaslit,
and watching it back helps me realize
that I wasn't crazy, and I held back a lot.
-Mm-hmm. -Listen, you gotta be
on the right side of history.
-ANDY: Ladies... -HEATHER: Andy.
-Oh, coming... -Oh, wow. Hey, Grecian goddess.
Hi.
-How are we feeling about today? -Feeling good.
Do you think we can get to any kind of a place
that you couldn't get to all season?
I mean, I'm hoping.
I think if you're the Housewife Whisperer,
let's see what happens out there.
-Oh, so it's on me. -Yeah.
Do you think we'll be sitting by each other?
Oh, my gosh. There's nobody else I could sit by. [laughs]
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How do you feel about seeing Lisa?
I feel like a lot of my side of the story has never been told.
I'm ready.
***
-Are you ready? -Are youready?
Yeah, I think today's gonna be weird.
Yeah.
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-She's wearing a dress. -I think I know how
the other trailer's gonna show up.
How do you think the other trailer's gonna show up?
Victim, martyr.
All right. I'll see you out there.
-See what happens. -What do youthink?
-Um, I'll tell you later. -[laughter]
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All right, here we go.
And we're gonna send it to Andy in five, four, three,
two...
Hey, everybody, welcome to
"The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City"
Season 3 Reunion.
I'm Andy Cohen, and in true Salt Lake fashion,
what would an arrival be without a Sprinter van?
[horn honks]
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Oh, ladies.
[laughs]
Come on out. Well, we've never done this before,
but it seemed fitting.
What happened in that Sprinter van
is what I wanna know. -Hello.
-Hi. -I think all of us
are in consensus that we don't need to spend more time
in Sprinter vans.
I'm shutting the [bleep] down right now!
Then talk to your friend like that!
No, no, get out of my ----ing face!
What if she's on the run?
I'm shaking. I'm physically shaking.
I'm a ----ing respected woman.
-So am I! -Are ya?
-Yes, I am. -How come you can't keep
a -----ing friendship?
Well, I am here with the ladies of Salt Lake City.
-Hey, Meredith. -Hi.
-Great to see you. -Great to see you, too.
Did you share a nice bubble bath with Seth before arriving?
Seth was still in bed when I left this morning.
He was. Well, he'll be here soon enough.
Hey, Heather, you look fully recovered.
Yes.
How long did it take your eye to recover?
You know, it took about 10 days,
but I could cover it with makeup.
-Hi, Whitney "Wild" Rose. -Hi, Andy.
-How are you? -Doing so well.
-Good. -Hi, Lisa.
-Hey, Andy. -How are you?
Good.
Spray tan even tonight?
-Spray tan is even. -Very good.
Well, we are here in New York City
in what appears to be a dilapidated church...
[bell tolls]
...which is quite the metaphor for the season.
-What do you think, ladies? -LISA: Totally appropriate.
I think it's breathtaking. Like, it feels
exactly representative of what we've kind of gone through
the last three years.
There are only four of you on the couches today.
We invited Jen to be here today,
but unfortunately, her legal team advised her
not to come today, as her sentencing
has yet to occur.
What are your reactions about her not being here,
first of all?
I have mixed emotions. Like, I think in a lot of ways
I think it would be great to have Jen here
just so we could talk through things and, you know,
basically get some closure.
-You know, I think she was... -Right.
...a big part of the season, and so I feel like
it'll be a big--a big void.
She changed her plea from not guilty to guilty,
and your reaction was what to that, Whitney?
I was surprised because all season since she was indicted,
she claimed her innocence
and screamed it from the rooftops,
so I honestly thought she'd go fight the trial to the end.
What about you, Lisa?
I had mixed emotions. Jen did what she needed to do,
and she did the right thing.
If she's guilty, she took responsibility for her actions.
-Meredith? -I was shocked.
You know, I was very, very surprised,
and, um, it's just not what I was expecting.
And then you got the word that she's pled guilty.
Did she tell you in advance that she was pleading guilty?
Yeah, she did. She called me right before
she walked into the courtroom.
And what did you say?
I just felt sadness and grief, and I just, you know,
cried with her and said, you know.... "Good luck."
Did you feel lied to?
I wasn't really feeling anything other than sadness
for her family, and I thought of her children,
and I thought of my friend that was doing something
that I didn't think she wanted to do.
All right, I wanna leave that there,
and we're gonna come back to this later, okay?
All right. No one ever expected long-time friends
Meredith and Lisa to have an issue they couldn't resolve.
But a rant and a retaliation
seemed to have shaken this friendship
like a Vida cocktail.
So clearly your relationship never seemed to recover
after Lisa's hot mic moment.
Are the two of you on speaking terms now?
-Hi, Meredith. -Hi!
-I wished you a happy birthday. -Thank you.
-Happy birthday to you, too. -[laughter]
Thank you.
You wished her a happy birthday?
-With you. -Happy birthday, Lisa Barlow,
by the way. -Yeah, happy birthday, Lisa.
[laughter]
-I didn't see it. -Well, I mean,
on "Watch What Happens Live."
I mean, did you...wish her a happy birthday personally?
-No. -No.
Hypothetically, if she had contacted you
after the Reunion off camera and said,
"I wanna sit down with you and hash this out"
and apologize to you,
would you have taken the meeting?
-Yes. -You would have.
-I didn't feel like that. -Can you forgive her?
My issues with Lisa today have nothing to do
with her childish tantrum. -Well, I haven't done anything.
I--How many times do I have to say the same thing?
If your animus towards her doesn't have anything to do
with the hot mic moment, what does it have to do with?
Um...after Arizona, we were in a neutral space,
an hopefully positive movement forward.
Shortly thereafter, I come to find that
Lisa had removed me as a follower on her Instagram
and was hiding her Stories from me.
And then what really set me completely over the edge
was when we aired Reunion last year,
I explained that I was very hurt by Lisa
that I didn't hear from her when my father passed away,
and Lisa went to Twitter
and posted a lot of text messages
that actually occurred a month later
to make it look like I was lying when I had--
-That is not true. -Oh, excuse me.
...when I had already been traumatized enough
about my father's death...
-Okay. -...where she had already
created confusion over dates... -Oh.
And that to me was just like, really?
We're gonna go here again with something that was so raw
and so painful to me, I couldn't understand the rationale,
and I thought, this is not someone who wants
to move forward with me in a positive direction.
Noah from Boise said, "Meredith, you started talking crap
about Lisa from the get-go.
Was your plan to get back at her for her hot mic rant?"
The context of all of those conversations
was completely cut out.
-Here's the thing. -The context with which
you spoke was that you were worried about her.
That is correct. I was concerned.
I didn't think that the behavior that I saw was
normal, regular behavior, and so I was concerned.
In all honesty, if I could have come
to some level of understanding...
Did you reach out to her to see if she was okay?
No.
I probably should have. And at the end of the day,
regardless of my intentions,
Lisa, I'm sorry that I said that there were rumors out there
about you, and I did not believe them.
I apologize for saying any of that.
Thank you.
Joel from St. Louis said, "I'm confused.
Are there dueling rumors about Lisa going around?"
-Apparently. -"The first one being
Lisa giving blowies for Jazz tickets..."
-[laughs] -"...and the second being
Lisa trading sexual favors for Vida sales."
Oh, no, there's, like, three or four from this group.
-Yes. -I would love to clarify this.
Can I have a glass of water, please? I'm dying.
Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
-May I also as well, please? -You would like to clarify?
Uh, yeah, first of all,
I never said Meredith started the rumors.
I said she's the one that started talking about it.
-Okay. -However...
when Meredith came to my house, she said,
"There was rumors about Lisa that she performs favors
for the placement of Vida. Isn't that absurd?"
And I said, "No," and I said, "Well, I had heard...."
I never said "blow jobs for courtside seats."
Never said that.
I said, "Those rumors, like, are about this man
because I heard them from Angie Harrington."
We get to Arizona. Heather spun my words
and said "blow jobs for courtside tickets."
If that happened when you came and told me all this in Arizona,
why didn't you say, "Remember?
This is the joke that Angie made"?
-I did over and over. -It wasn't a joke.
-She told other people it, too. -Over and over and over.
-I think she did say that. -She did not.
You sat in the front two seats on New Year's Eve with Angie.
Angie told us that John Barlow...
-Babe, that was--we-- -...and Lisa have those tickets
because Lisa sleeps with [bleep].
That's how I heard it, and you were there.
-I did not hear it. -You were there.
The bottom line is, Andy, I'm so grateful.
No matter how much hate Whitney got for it...
-I don't wanna be a Mean Girl. -...I'm so glad she came in
and stopped it, because if Whitney
didn't come in that night... -Stopped it? She started it.
-No, no, she-- -I did not. Meredith started it.
She didn't start it. I don't think--
Meredith started it episode one, scene one.
I believe Whitney would have never said anything
if other people in this group were not going to Whitney
and talking about it. I think it would have been off-limits.
Well, actually, I never said a word...
She came to me and told me in Arizona.
...before Whitney disclosed a lot of stuff to me.
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Coming up...
Is there a part of you that thought, "If Jen did this,
I want to cover it up so she isn't penalized by a judge
or in her case?"
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Whitney would have never said anything
if other people in this group were not going to Whitney
and talking about it. I think it would have been off-limits.
Well, actually, I never said a word...
She came to me and told me in Arizona.
...before Whitney disclosed a lot of stuff to me.
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You did, and you were with Jen. You said a lot to Jen.
You're the one who prompted Jen.
You brought up rumors.
I mean, there are-- there are affair rumors.
I'm not getting into any of it, but there are rumors.
I don't know if they're true or false.
I just heard that she was, you know, doing favors
to help get places to pick up Vida Tequila.
I have no idea if it's true or false.
It sounds absurd to me.
-I'm talking about before that. -And you said it to Seth,
and it's all on camera. -Okay, um, well...
-So the world heard it. -While you were roller skating
in San Diego... -Mm-hmm.
...you seemed to insinuate that Meredith had a pill problem.
No, I don't pop pills, bitch...
It wasn't about that.
Jen had said that when we were at Zion's,
Meredith was on something with Heather.
-Okay, so-- -The night that I locked myself
in my room? That was Whitney. Whitney--
Yeah, but you gave her something.
You said she--You said she-- Hold on.
-You said she popped pills. -That is not true.
-You said she popped pills. -Jen had told me
that they popped some pills before, uh...
-That Jen and I did? -I was locked in my room.
Yeah, she told me that you two were both--
Whitney built the rock tower. Can you clarify?
I didn't build a rock tower in the hot tub.
She told me that you two were both Ketamine or something,
and that's why I said it, and it was--
maybe it's a bitchy thing to say, but I mean,
that's what I was told.
That is a bitchy thing to say, Lisa. Not maybe. It is.
Yeah, well, we all say a lot of bitchy things.
-Yes. -I'm not the only one.
-No, you're not. -So we can move on now.
Calling someone a pill popper is kind of--goes beyond
being a bitchy thing. -Okay.
I mean, it's actually an accusation. I mean...
Yeah, it's pretty vile. It's called slander.
Well, so there's a lot of accusations flying
all over here. -Yes. Yes.
So it's like, is mine worse than any of the other ones?
And if you have a problem, call Jen right now
and tell her, "Hey, why did you say that?" 'Cause she sure did.
-No problem. Let's do it. -She for sure did.
-Let's do it. -You heard it.
You know, Whitney. Whitney's--
she's talked to Whitney about it.
-Yes, she said it to me as well. -Yeah, and a bunch
of other people. -[line ringing]
You should see what she's been sending out about you.
I have that on my phone, too.
I know who I am. I know what my character is.
I'm not--I'm not going to jail.
Hi, Jen. I have you on speaker at the Reunion.
Because we have a little bit of conflict here.
Jen, tell her how you told us that they took shrooms
before they build a rock tower in the hot tub.
-Oh, now it's shrooms? -Shrooms is--
Ketamine and shrooms, 'cause I didn't know
what Ketamine was. I had to Google it.
-She said that you-- -Hold on.
-Yes. Yes. -Special K.
-She knows what Special K is. -Everyone does.
The question was, Jen, whether you were going around saying
Meredith is a pill popper behind her back.
She wasn't going around saying it. She said it to me.
No, it is. Well, you don't tell the truth all the time,
so I wouldn't expect you to now. -I don't believe anything
that comes out of her mouth. -Yeah, do you even believe this?
You believe this over me. I'm not going to jail.
Okay. Oh.
Why? It's the truth.
Why do we have to act like it's not the truth?
That's inaccurate. All right. Thank you.
-MEREDITH: Thank you. -It's not inaccurate.
-She said it. -I had heard
through the grapevine long before I saw the episode
where Lisa called me a pill popper
that she was saying that around town.
Who? Who? Name names. Name names. You can't.
They're not people on this cast.
Because there aren't any names because I never said it.
I have never said that before. Never!
Well, that's not what I was told.
Your buddy there did. And it's funny that you'll believe...
-And not by her. -...someone going to prison
for lying over me. -I wasn't told that by Jen.
Whatever. I can't even handle this. We're done.
-I am not wrong. -Of course you can't handle it.
I am not wrong. Don't-- and you can sit there...
'Cause you're right all the time.
-...and be like, "Yeah, oh, no." -Mm-hmm.
I'm not right all the time. I admit when I'm wrong.
You can apologize one time, and everybody has
to move forward. -I've apologized a multitude
of times to you, Lisa... -Everybody else has to beg you
for forgiveness. -...over the rumors.
-Whatever, Meredith. -I think we're on
six or seven now? -You're making up stuff.
-Meredith, behind Lisa's back,
you kept saying that you would hate to have an SEC filing
at this stage in your life.
No, that's not what I said.
I can't imagine wanting to crowdfund
for any reason at this stage of my life...
That's just not something I would want to do.
If that was what was right for them,
that was what was right for them.
It's just not--I wouldn't wanna have to do
all the SEC compliance that comes with that.
-We have a lot of lawyers. -That's my personal opinion,
which I'm entitled to. -Well, we have a lot of lawyers.
The point isn't the SEC filing. It's the point that
the way that Meredith brought it up and talked about it--
It was a denigrating way and alluded to--
It was to make Lisa look bad.
So after everything that's gone down this season,
do either one of you wanna pursue
or continue the friendship?
I think we have both made very big mistakes,
and I think it's really, really sad. I do.
-It's heartbreaking to me. -LISA: Mm-hmm.
I don't know exactly where we can go at this point, you know?
I think that at a minimum, it would be nice to be respectful
out of the respect for that friendship we did once have,
even if there isn't a future towards one,
to treat each other with respect, with kindness,
and, you know, be cordial and see where it goes.
And that's--that's the best I can do right now.
You know, I've been friends with Meredith for a long time,
I felt like very protective of Meredith, and...
[voice breaking] I felt devastated last year,
prior to the hot mic moment.
I was devastated because I was like,
we aren't friends even then.
But I have been very, very sad, and I never thought
it would get to this point where it was so ugly,
and I think the thing that hurt me most
is when you brought John into it,
and it's like I had already been through enough.
Why do we wanna, like, put me through more?
Like, there's way worse things happening around us,
and it's like fixating on me.
Well, I really hope that there's a positive path forward
for the two of you.
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We're gonna leave it there, and we're gonna take a break.
We'll be right back.
***
Coming up...
Don't say we're bullies, 'cause you do it to all of us.
-I do not. -Yes, you do.
You're trying to take away from the fact
that your husband trolled me.
Is there a heater in here?
Yes.
-Are you cold? -Yeah.
I'll be fine. I'm sure it's gonna heat up soon.
We're back with
"The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" Reunion.
Lisa, your singing actually went viral when it aired.
* Away in a manger *
* No crib for his bed *
"Would you ever consider releasing a holiday album?"
Actually, I would.
-Really? -Yeah.
And maybe I'm already working on it.
Wow, didn't see this one coming.
Maybe not an album. Maybe it's like three songs.
-An EP. -Yeah.
-Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. -That's kind of more in keeping
with the Housewives oeuvre. -My wheelhouse?
-Yes. -[laughter]
From drinks on the hair to shoes in the water,
two old friendships came to an end,
and one dropped anchor before it even set sail.
Take a look.
I knew we would love each other. We worked together, and, like,
we immediately bonded over fashion.
I've known Angie for over 20 years.
Angie told us that John Barlow and Lisa...
-Babe, that was weeks-- -...have those tickets
because Lisa sleeps with [bleep].
That's how I heard it.
Chris Harrington
started an Instagram page called @shahxposed.
Can you really say you had no idea...
-Oh, my gosh. -...your husband did this?
-None. -So embarrassing.
Angie, you're full of sh--. You know what your husband does.
I have got a friend with a house in San Diego. Go to the beach.
To Angie's hookup in San Diego.
I thought this was Jen's trip.
This is mine.
I'm sorry. Who--Are you in charge? Who's in charge?
-Let's do this. -[gasps]
-Oh! -Are you serious, Jen?
-Yeah, I'm serious. -That's not even funny.
It is funny. This is the fun trip.
Women like Danna inspire me,
because she has a very good heart,
but she also still keeps her edge.
Honestly, I feel like she was almost bullying.
Like, I feel like no one stands up to her,
and no one puts her ass in check when she's stepping out of line.
Danna Banana, who looks like you are no fun-fanana.
I wanna be as real as I can with you, Jen.
Someone that I know shared something with me,
and I just wanna be real with you.
-Who? -They know someone
that worked for you. -Who?
And they pleaded guilty to whatever the allegations are,
and now they're an informant.
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And the friends are joining us.
Welcome, Angie H., Angie K., and Danna,
welcome to the season 3 Reunion. Good evening.
-Thank you. -Good evening.
-Thank you. -Thank you.
Destiny from Austin said, "Danna, you started talking
badly about Jen from the get-go."
Did you ever really intend to get along with her
or try to get along with her?
Yes, if you see, like, the first time I met her
during, like, the ski day.
-Hi! -This is Danna from Beauty Lab
I was telling you about. -Nice meeting you.
-Hi! -Nice meeting you.
-You look so cute. -No, so are you.
She was great. She's a good time,
and I felt like she had, like, a good, like, aura around her
in the beginning when I first met her.
But after I saw what she did to...
[sighs] I saw the way that she treated you,
and that's what triggered me a little bit
at the--the choir audition.
I didn't like the way that she approached you.
And I appreciate you befriending me.
And then I didn't, like--
I know that was a hard position.
-Yeah. It was really hard. -I appreciate that.
Danna, why did you tell Jen that you were friends
with an informant in her case?
What was the purpose of that, or what was that supposed to...
Well, I was hoping that maybe she could be like,
I don't know, maybe own up to it early on,
talk about it, address it, take accountability for it.
-I think she has. -So then dropping ahead
to Heather's book party, um, what was your motivation
for going after Jen?
Don't talk to my husband.
Get out of my ----ing face, okay?
Don't get in my mother----ing face.
If you get in my face, I can get right back, too.
-Do it, honey. Do it. -You like to bark. I bite.
-Bite, honey. Bite. -Okay, that's a ----ing...
Bitch, you don't wanna catch no mother----ing--okay, see?
You're being ----ing indicted. If I were you,
I'd be real nice right now, because especially if you want
some money on your ----ing books.
[gasps]
There's a reason why I blew up that--that--that night, Andy.
Because at our dinner in San Diego,
she was making fun of where I was living.
So I live on the west side of Salt Lake City.
It's like more of a country town.
She was like, "Danna, you're mad 'cause you live in Tooele."
Like, bitch, she doesn't even own a house.
Like, I own multiple properties, while her ass rents.
And if I wanted to, I could buy the house that she's renting
and evict her. Like, I don't know what the [bleep]
she's talking about, making fun that I live in Tooele.
Why does she need to do that? And then she's like,
"Well, Danna's husband, whatever his name is,
like, Jorge, Humberto, whatever it is..."
Like, that's ----ing rude. My husband's name is Ernesto.
There is no need to make fun of his name.
So all of that time, me sitting back,
seeing the ways that she treats the ladies,
seeing the way that she was treating me,
I'm gonna address it, 'cause what she's doing is not right.
That's just me.
Belyn from Oakland, uh, said, "Angie H.,
I think we all wanna know what really happened
at the Jazz game. Did you tell Whitney and Heather
that Lisa slept with a rich friend
for Utah Jazz tickets?"
Absolutely not.
And if not there, did you ever?
Um, Whitney had discussed rumors privately on the phone
because John was behaving in a way
that I didn't understand at a Jazz game.
My husband just told your husband to stay away from him.
No, he--he yelled the "F" word in front of your son.
This is where--this is where it got twisted.
-Yeah, I know that. My son's-- -So this is good.
-Keep it coming. -Right, but he was acting
like a lunatic. Security came. -No, he was not. Don't--Don't--
Lisa, security came.
Don't talk about my husband's character. Do not.
Don't talk about myhusband's character.
Well, your husband's character the whole world knows about.
Security came to my husband and said,
"Do you want to kick John Barlow out
'cause he's acting like a psycho?"
-So I called hitney. -Okay.
And I said it's interesting 'cause he's sitting
in [bleep] seats, and that's when you said to me,
"Do you think there's something going on there?"
And I said, "I've always wondered," and I have.
-ANDY: Okay. -Oh, my gosh.
Angie and I have had many conversations.
So I gave her a pass on that because
maybe she forgot making the joke, but and I--
Can I ask what the joke was? 'Cause I'm still unclear
because I never said that about blow jobs for Jazz tickets.
-But then you called me a liar. -You--Because the blow jobs
for Jazz tickets got twisted in a mess in a drunk moment
at the dinner table and-- -But did I say that?
You said that Heather should buddy up with [bleep],
like our friend Lisa.
And for the record, I did not, nor would I ever.
And nor do I believe you would have done that.
You talked about me. It's enough.
-Don't talk about my husband. -I did talk about you.
Lisa, that's rich coming from you.
Lisa, are you a Jazz fan?
I'm, like, a really big Jazz fan.
I'm actually friends with some of the players, too,
but I don't sleep with them either.
Okay.
Pablo from Corpus Christi said,
"Meredith, you said someone sent you proof
that Lisa was creating fake Instagram accounts
to troll Angie." -That's my point.
-I never did. I never did. -"You also said someone sent you
Lisa's SEC filing.
Who's sending you all of this anti-Lisa stuff?"
I don't have any troll accounts, and I've never trolled anybody.
-Oh, my God. -I used my own face.
-That's your battle. -Lisa...
Just--Just-- Just let her finish.
-I never said that. -I have a screenshot of it.
-I have DMs. People say-- -She has DMs of it, too.
-That I wrote, "Do not ever..." -So don't say we're bullies.
-This is insane. -[all speaking at once]
-'Cause you do it to all of us. -I do not. I do not.
Yes, you do. We all have screenshots.
-I don't, I don't. -Under your Instagram account.
You're trying to take away from the fact
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[women arguing indistinctly]
-And I agreed. -No, that's not in defense of--
It was ----ed up to use it under a different name.
-He trolled me. He trolled me. -All right. Let's move on.
Okay.
Sadie from Aspen said, "Angie K.,
you set the ladies up with a house in San Diego,
which was supposed to be Jen's last hurrah before the trial."
So did you feel like you were the hostess of the trip?
I felt that I was a co-hostess.
Typically, when this group has gone on a trip,
Jen has the best room.
What did you ladies think when Angie took the biggest bedroom?
Trouble. [laughs]
You thought it was gonna be trouble.
-Yeah. -Well, just the energy.
You could feel that Jen was amping up, you know?
Why do you think it bothered Jen so much
that you were taking hostess reins?
To be totally truthful, I feel that Jen wanted me
in the group but with conditions
and that I had to always kind of stay down here
on a leash, right?
And what message do you think she was sending
by pouring the champagne on you?
-Let's--let's do this. -[gasps]
-Oh! -Are you serious, Jen?
Yeah, I'm serious.
"You're below me. Stay quiet,
and don't try and take this trip over."
She wanted to tell me that she was in control.
So she claimed that pouring the champagne
was meant to be a funny joke.
She wasn't laughing or smiling when she did it.
-Mnh-mnh. It wasn't funny. -No, it was not.
So did anyone here think it was funny?
-I didn't think it was funny. -Nobody laughed.
You kinda thought it was funny.
When I saw it played back, I saw the humor in it.
-Really? Where, Heather? Where? -She said on the show
it was a fun bitch move. -It was a fun bitch move
when I watched it back. That's it.
-Yeah. -No, it was not funny.
-There--Nobody found it funny. -That's fine.
-We all have different opinions. -It was not funny,
even a little bit. -Really poor sense of humor.
There's jokes you make that I don't think are funny.
I didn't pour champagne on your head.
I wouldn't pour champagne on your head.
But it was fun to watch it happening.
And I've neer poured champagne on your head.
It was fun to watch it happening.
If you wanna crucify me for saying it was a fun bitch move--
Well, it's very apparent that you don't like me, Heather.
You're gonna have a really hard time surviving on this couch.
Or you wouldn't have found that funny one bit.
Susan from Philly said, "Angie K. actually equated Jen
not paying her back for the prty
to her conning people out of money,
which is what she said Jen was indicted for."
Uh, Heather and Meredith, what's your response to that?
Below the belt.
It was just hard for me to see. They'd been so close.
It was a little bit much given the...
-They'd been so close, yeah. -A little champagne.
So by confronting Jen in front of the group--
A little champagne? Did it take a bucket
for me to grasp the intention of the disrespect?
I'm not saying that, Angie,
and I'm not defending her doing it.
Don't misunderstand me. Clearly, you are v--
You are totally minimizing it and supporting her.
I am not minimizing it. I'm saying that you are
taking it to a level-- -Let's see what happens
when I dump a drink on your head
and how you feel. -If I wear sweats at home
and have a--own a salon and can blow it out myself...
Sweats, girl? I got up at 3 a.m.
...and not think twice, I would--I would've
maybe been a little irritated, but I wouldn't have...
3 a.m., just like you did that morning.
I wouldn't have completely taken something to that level,
is what I'm saying. -Coming from--
No, it wasn't that one moment. It went back months and years.
I was just at my tipping point with her.
I had held my composure with her.
Through calling me a ----ing bitch,
a ----ing fake bitch, a ----ing thirsty bitch.
"You talk to Lisa, you ----ing fake fraud bitch."
She got mad. We weren't allowed to text each other.
Neither were Meredith and I.
She can have you.
It goes back to what you said earlier.
"Stay down here, bitch. Stay on your leash or you're out."
May I ask you something, though, Angie?
-Sure. -Why am I responsible
to know all of that? I didn't know any of that.
Meredith, you don't need to know my history with Jen,
but just reading the room in that moment
of how uncomfortable I was.
I mean, you should work in a cubicle.
You apparently have zero people skills.
No, I don't work in a cubicle,
and my business is extraordinarily social.
I have very good people skills, Angie.
I haven't been the one
trying to get on this show for three years.
-I have not called anyone. -Oh, okay.
Referred by one, two, and three.
Oh, they all have been reaching out to you.
That's why you weren't on season 1.
-ANDY: All right. All right. -Trying to get on the show?
I'm from ----ing Salt Lake City, okay?
-Okay, okay, very good. -Yeah, you are.
-I know people here. -ANDY: All right. Okay, Great.
-Oh, good. I'm happy for you. -Not like your first
birthday party where it wasn't your party. It was Jen's.
Moving on. Moving on. Moving on. Um, Angie K., you pissed off
Meredith and Heather by telling Lisa,
uh, what Meredith had said about the SEC filing.
-Why--Why bring it up? -Uh, well, I am friends
with Lisa, and I brought it up for a couple reasons.
Two days before we went to San Diego,
Jen was trying to expose Heather's business to me,
and, you know, I don't wanna embarrass you,
because it wasn't kind, and she sat there sending me--
Go for it. [laughs]
She sent me all this information...
-She dug. -...calling you
a lying bitch ass ho, saying that she was going to expose
your ass, okay? Two days later,
I'm watching her with you and Meredith in the car
doing the exact same thing... -Exact same thing
...to Lisa, and I was very triggered.
I wanted to get the hell out of that car.
-Mm-hmm. -And the only way that I felt
like I could make it right was to share with Lisa
this is what was being said. -Which I'm glad she did.
And who is next? Me? I have worked my ass off
for my business and reputation, and I know you both have, too.
-And I did not like it. -What's your reaction to hearing
she was trash-talking your business?
I think it's par for the course with Jen,
and my business stands for itself, you know?
I'm really proud of it. I'm proud of how it started.
Does it offend you or upset you to hear that?
Well, it's just, I find it interesting how we have
this selective morality like we're--
we'll do it with Jen when it's
about someone that we wanna do it with,
but nobody informed me until they found out
that Jen couldn't carry the ball to the finish line
and didn't give me an ultimatum or do whatever she wanted to do,
so how do we pick and choose when we're just gonna, like,
stand up for truth and righteousness?
-Wait a minute. -It seems like it's never
on my behalf, but-- -That's lumping a lot
of people in together. -I'm not lumping you.
ANDY: She didn't say anything about you.
-He asked my answer. I just-- -Can we move--
No, but just by saying when we all go along with it.
I have never gone along with any schemes with Jen.
I have never participated in that,
and I actually think it's wrong when Jen does that,
and I've always tried to help her
to not do bad things.
Okay, let's change gears to the black eye.
-You ready, Heather? -Totally. Bring it.
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Coming up...
I don't know how I got the black eye.
You were making comments in San Diego that
you knew what happened.
Women in the group knew what happened.
I started to remember certain things like
Jen picked up the wig, and I was like, where was the wig?
I remembered, like, being by the pool.
I thought somebody here knows.
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Okay. Let's move on. You ready, Heather?
Yeah, totally. Bring it.
Well, all eyes were on Heather this season
when she woke up with a huge shiner in San Diego.
Was her black eye thanks to a drunken blackout?
Do these women have a Fight Club we don't know about?
Let's take a look.
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Yes!
Where is bottle service?
-I want a pepperoni. I got-- -Whoo!
-What? What? -[laughter]
What's wrong?
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What the [bleep] happened?
I don't want to get anyone in trouble, Jen.
-When did this happen? -We--When--
We were with you until 4 in the morning.
I didn't say I don't remember how it happened.
I just said I'm not talking about it.
It's the first rule about Fight Club.
WHITNEY: Tell me about last night.
'Cause I heard a lot of commotion.
Well, I think we all know what happened.
I just think we don't wanna talk about it.
LISA: Wait. What happened?
-Oh, my God. -What the [bleep] happened?
What the [bleep] happened?
-Oh, my God. -I don't know.
Can we go down there and address what happened to you
about the black eye? 'Cause we wanna bring everything up
so I can talk to these bitches. -All you'd have to say
to shut all them up is, like, "Why don't we talk about
how Heather really got her black eye?"
You say, "You know what? Keep pushing me, guys.
And I'll tell you exactly how the black eye happened."
I'm so confused at this point.
Like, is Heather saying that Jen had something to do
with this black eye?
Just doesn't make any sense.
Do you really not remember? Did you black out?
Or do you know what happened?
-I remember how I got it. -You do?
Yeah, and other people know how I got it, too.
-Do you have any recollection? -No.
There's a part of me, and tell me if I'm wrong,
that, like, feels like you're protecting somebody.
I don't really wanna talk about it.
Okay. You told several different stories
relating to the eye.
You didn't know what happened, you knew what happened,
everybody here knows what happened,
some people here know what happened.
What do you think happened?
I blacked out. I don't know how it happened.
I wish you had said that in the moment
because it caused so much damage.
I think that, you know, an investigation was launched.
-I wanted that investigation. -People were interviewed.
-Well, that's what the-- -I blacked out.
-It could have been drugs. -There was an investigation.
-It impacts-- -They didn't find anything.
And there was no additional footage, by the way,
or else it would have been shown.
I know, and that was after the fact.
I woke up, terrified. I had my phone plugged in.
-I wish you had said that. -I was in pajamas.
-I wish you had said that. -But why say--why say that
you knew what happened? -'Cause I was scared that they
would rewrite the narrative in a way
if I said I didn't know, then they could say
anything they wanted, and I was afraid--
-Who's they? -Who's they?
-My castmates. -No, if you said you didn't know
what happened and you went to your room and said,
"I blacked out because I drank too much"--
Well, that's what I meant when I was like,
"Everyone knows what happened. Like, I blacked out."
No, we didn't. We didn't know.
I feel like they needed you to say the truth
because it impacted people that were on production
that were up late with us. -I know, and I didn't--
And then it makes them look like they did it to you.
When production came in my room, I told them.
-Yeah. -I said, "I have no idea.
I have no memory," and then it spun out of control after that,
and I take full responsibility. -But it impacts livelihoods.
-It impacts everybody. -I'm really sorry.
-It was terrifying. -But I wish you had just said
you didn't remember. You blacked out.
-You were blackout drunk. -I could not even--
I would've choked on the words, Lisa. It was humiliating.
-I don't wanna black out. -The door jiggling was--
I don't wanna get drunk and black out
and have no memory of it. It was terrifying.
You're not the first Housewife that's blacked out
on an all-girls trip. -And it was humiliating.
-Yeah, you're not the first one. -I have a lot of Mormon shame
about drinking, and I've already dealt with a lot of it
on the show. Now it's public, and I'm waking up
with not a friend in the world with a giant black eye,
and that was terrifying.
It looked like you were assaulted.
-It did. -I know. I know.
And you had scratches all over your body.
It was just like,
I woke up in a very, very high-stress situation
with so much shame and humiliation.
There was no way to hide it, and I went to my thing
which is just humor, and, like, just make it go away.
And it didn't go away, but I certainly do not
wanna implicate anyone here, anyone on production.
It's my own guilt and shame about blacking out
and not being able to explain it.
Walk me through what you do remember.
I remember saying, "Marilyn died in the nude,"
and us, like, flashing, you know?
-Okay. -And the titties part.
I remember joking around with the boobs.
And I remember coming to my room,
taking my wig off, and that's it.
And I woke up in my pajamas and a horrible black eye
and Jen said scratches on my back
and scratches on my arm, which could have been anything.
And I didn't want an investigation.
-I didn't wanna, like-- -Why?
I was humiliated. Because I was embarrassed.
-But you just said you-- -You just said you wanted one.
You just said you wanted an investigation.
You said it a couple minutes ago.
You just said, "I wanted an investigation."
No, I mean, I wanted an investigation to rule it out
that I'd not been assaulted. -Mm-hmm.
But I didn't wanna do it then in San Diego.
This is after talking to attorneys.
I spoke with a doctor.
He said you'd have to have a medical condition
to not know how you got that black eye,
and I don't know how I got the black eye.
The door handle jiggling was actually Meredith and Angie K.
and Jen coming into your room.
[indistinct conversations, laughter]
-Do you remember that? -No.
You don't remember them coming into the room?
I don't remember anything that I saw unfold on footage.
I remembered by the pool--
Do you remember, Meredith, going into the room and what
time was that, probably? -Do you remember?
-Late, like 4 in the morning. -She's like, "I'm sober."
-Like 4 in the morning. -3, 4 in the morning.
-And I seemed coherent. -And were you as blitzed
as everyone else? -I don't think I was.
No, I wasn't. I certainly wasn't blackout.
No, I-I-I was surprised because people had said,
"Do you think Heather could have blacked out?"
And I said, "Honestly, that dinner was very long,
and the servers couldn't come in 'cause we were arguing,
so everyone was served one drink.
And then we went to that club, and we were there for what,
20 minutes? Not long. -It wasn't long.
So I didn't think anyone had had that much to drink.
So why was Jen your first call the next morning
to try to figure out what happened?
Do you think Jen punched you in the eye?
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So why was Jen your first call the next morning
to try to figure out what happened?
Because I trusted her the most.
Trusted her the most for what?
For coming up with a cover story when you black out
and you have a black eye.
But it also made her look guilty, too.
The way that you talked about it,
it really seemed like she-- you two got in a altercation,
and you were, like, looking to her, like,
"Are you gonna say it?" -And it wouldn't be surprising.
I mean, look at the yacht the day before.
But do you see that? It like, read, like...
Did you ask her if it was she?
Did you say, "Did you do this to me?"
I think we joked about it.
Like, "Did I do this to you?"
Like, kind of maybe an exchange, but, like, it wasn't about that.
Like, I would have rather have Jen do that to me
than a stranger.
Do you think Jen punched you in the eye?
-I don't know. -Do you know?
-I mean, I didn't wanna-- -Do you know--
That's why I didn't wanna have these questions,
'cause I don't know. I blacked out.
So you don't know if she punched you in the eye?
I cannot speak to anything other than I walked to my room,
and I blacked out and woke up with a black eye.
Is there a part of you-- is there a part of you
that thought, "If she did this, I want to cover it up
so that she isn't penalized in any greater way by a judge
or in her case"?
If I knew Jen did that, I would cover it up,
but that was not my intention. I did not--I was blacked out.
Is your biggest regret of the season
not waking up and saying, "You guys, I blacked out
last night, and I'm so embarrassed"?
I did say that when it first happened. I did.
But you were making comments in San Diego that
you knew what happened,
the women in the group knew what happened,
that we're causing confusion.
Yeah, because we thought that maybe if they knew that we knew,
I mean, somebody would maybe say something,
and also I started to remember certain things,
like Jen picked up the wig, and I was like,
"Where was the wig?" I started to put clues together.
Some things were coming back.
I remembered, like, being by the pool.
Like, you know what I mean? I thought somebody here knows.
Like, it was a horrible black eye
that took 10 days. It did not look like a fall
into a doorknob. We didn't even have doorknobs.
You blacked out. Anything could have happened.
Anything could have happened, and I assumed
when I was on a show with cameras and cast,
that somebody would give me the trigger
that would make me remember, and I still don't know.
ANDY: All right.
I still don't know how I got it.
I wanna know from the ladies, how do you think this happened?
I believe that she had an accident
and didn't remember. She blacked out.
Or Jen hit her.
I have two theories. I thought maybe she tripped and fell.
My second thing was,
Jen was very off and not present the next day.
-Mm-hmm. -She was very quiet, to herself.
She was on her phone a lot,
and then when production asked Heather
at the Greek dinner, "What happened to your eye?"
Jen looked at her quietly and said,
"What are you gonna say happened?"
And that just gave me a very kind of dark feeling...
-Same. -...that there was something
that they knew that were not sharing
with the rest of the group. -ANDY: Danna?
I think, honestly, they got drunk. They had a great time.
Maybe there were some elbows thrown accidentally,
or maybe she accidentally hit you
and she remembered it, but you didn't remember it.
Angie K., at the finale, you said she may have received
the black eye during Barbie scissor kicks
and suggested that may be the result
of some sort of sexcapade gone wrong.
What led you to believe that?
Well, I was talking to some people, and they said,
"Have you ever heard of any sexual relations
between Heather and Jen?"
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Next week, it's part two
of "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" Reunion.
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Bringing awareness to taint play
is something that I'm very passionate about.
A toe in the taint is pretty sexy.
[laughter]
I think I can help you two, though.
I can bring you back together.
I think he means Seth and I. [laughs]
Yeah, if I can bring Meredith and Lisa back together...
I think you have a new career. Dr. Phil.
I've just been schooled to never talk about these things.
I've already felt the pressure of writing the book.
You know, I'm in litigation with the Church.
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She pled guilty. That doesn't make you have any reaction?
It's horrible, like, to hear that--
I mean, it is so wild to me. She actually--
You're sitting there in the tub gloating about her sentence,
and now you're like, "Meh. Whatever."
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There was speculation that she pled guilty
to keep Coach from being implicated.
If that was true, it makes sense.
So does that mean you think he possibly had knowledge
and is letting her take the fall?
Possibly.
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