Previously on "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City"...
Jack is gonna serve a mission for our church.
No way.
- Have you told Heather? - No.
- No? - You're a door to door salesman.
You are knocking on doors, selling
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
That's all it is.
Mom, I need your help with the kids.
I'm good for two hours.
There are all these rumors out there about Angie
that I have heard.
Do you know what the rumor is? Angie needs to know.
The rumor is that Shawn likes to [bleep] other men.
Are you----ing kidding me? You know, she's a sick bitch.
Hey, Meredith, do you have a second?
Sure.
Okay, let's come on over here where it's quiet.
Well, you know, I'll just kind of get right to the point.
It sounds like you are out spreading rumors
about my marriage and my husband.
I obviously don't need to go into detail
because you know what it is.
I don't know what you're talking about.
There are rumors about you. I am not spreading them.
But you are out spreading them.
You have said it to multiple women in the group.
And I have been told by the girls
that you are saying things about my husband and other men.
And, Meredith, you know what--
I'm not talking about your husband.
First of all, I've not talked to Whitney.
so I don't know what you were saying with her.
Who were you talking about? Who were you talking with?
You did. You--You said that--
What are you talking about? Oh, here we go.
You said that in the airport, you said that you heard rumors
about her husband. - What are you talking about?
Oh, maybe I said I've heard rumors about her husband,
but that's all I said.
You've gone after every marriage in the group
when meanwhile, you're the only one that's out
spreading their legs outside of their marriage.
I've been with my husband for almost 30 years.
- We're done. - Okay, run away, Meredith.
- I don't talk to people... - Don't point your finger at me.
...who don't speak to me with respect.
Go shove whipped cream in her mouth.
- You're real respectful. - Was that respectful, Meredith?
Was that respectful?
I have never spoken to you with disrespect.
Learn how to speak to me with respect.
You know what? There's no result. She runs away.
You guys, I'm glad we all got together.
I'm so glad.
Girl...
Hey, don't turn your back on me.
I'm not done talking to you. If you're gonna spread rumors
about my marriage, then you're gonna look me in the eye,
and you're going to address it.
What's going on?
Did you like it when she spread rumors
about you----ing giving blowjobs for jazz tickets?
It's rumored that one of your business partners
that has the Jazz tickets... - I don't know--
...that you've been involved with.
Who repeated that rumor? You or me?
I didn't know it.
You told me that she performed sexual favors!
Make eye contact.
Stop deflecting from your----ing----ed up marriage.
- I don't speak with people-- - Meredith, talk to me.
- Don't touch me. - No, I wanna--
- You touch me-- - Don't talk about my marriage.
- Don't touch me. - Run away, Meredith!
I don't speak to people who treat me with disrespect.
The only one who spreads their legs
outside their marriage is you. - Not me, honey. Not me.
- Yeah. - Talk to yours.
- Yeah. - Deal with your marriage.
- No, deal with yours. - Leave mine alone.
Deal with your--
Learn how to speak with respect to other please.
Respect? You're spreading lies.
I didn't spread anything, Angie.
You are spreading lies.
I didn't spread anything, Angie.
You said it to multiple women in the group, Meredith.
She spreads lies about people's marriage,
and then she walks away. My husband is having--
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
What is it? Monica, what just happened?
She's gone at everybody's marriage.
When Meredith told me there were rumors about Shawn and Angie...
If I want to go for the jugular and talk about this sh--...
I can go there.
I was really hoping it was just a drunken comment,
not something you're intending on acting on spreading.
I just cannot believe she's doing the same thing again.
Monica, what just happened?
- She's full of sh-- and a liar. - Wait, wait, hold on.
What just happened? I want to hear it from you.
No, no, no.
You guys, go. I'm done with them.
What just happened?
Whitney was like, "Let's tell Angie,"
and I'm like, let's tell her. - What was it, though?
- That-- - What was there to tell?
That Shawn----s men.
No, he does not.
That he has, like, boyfriends running around the city
bragging about their sex.
I can't believe I wasted another outfit on this event.
Like, where's the food? Like, what are we eating?
Monica, I have never heard that in my life.
Everyone wants to pretend like they haven't heard it.
On my kids--on my kids,
I have never heard that in my life.
But all of these women have heard about this,
have talked about this, or have spread this.
Some fake sh--. That's some Utah sh--.
- Have you heard the rumor? - Yeah.
- I haven't. - You haven't heard that?
- No. - In Salt Lake,
people always say it about male hairdressers.
This is Utah. I've been to family reunions.
If a guy wears a cardigan, they think he's gay.
And as soon as she married a guy that had tapered pants
and custom-made suits...
the rumors started flying.
Wait, Lisa, is there no food?
No, there's lots of food.
There's, um, let me see.
Emily? Is Emily around?
Yes. No problem.
- Can I have it to go? - Okay.
Perfect.
Can you have them make her some fresh flatbread?
Yeah.
A fresh pizza is what we need right now.
- Sorry. - Yeah, sorry you had anything
to do with it. - I have a good life.
- I have a great marriage. - She should worry about hers.
Yeah.
Love you. Love you. I'm sorry.
Okay, thank you.
You couldn't have put it in the box yourself?
For customer service?
Uh-huh.
No, you're lazy.
I feel so sorry for you that you're so miserable.
I'm sorry for you, honey.
Good Lord, girl.
Bye. I'll talk to you soon.
Bye, ladies.
Crazy way to end things.
There's something wrong with her, Lisa.
She has a-a weird thing with me.
I don't know what it is, and it's not my problem,
and I'm not interested.
It's crazy.
All I know right now is I need to take a moment
and think about how we move forward together as friends.
You know, like, I can't believe
that Meredith is playing victim right now.
Like, the real victim in this situation is Angie
...and me. It's my party.
Thank you. Be safe going home. Thanks for bringing Kathy.
I was raised that family is number one.
It's the ultimate, and my family is my whole world.
And I'm lost without Shawn and Elektra.
And for somebody to attack that or question that
could really devastate my family.
- Oh, my God. Coffee. - Here you go.
I didn't sleep well last night.
Are you okay?
So many crazy things went on last night that
it's like I-I haven't even been able
to wrap my head around it all.
There was some weird things that came up,
and I didn't wanna say anything before bed
because I was wiped out when I came home.
But I was a little shocked at some things that, um,
Meredith was saying.
She started eluding to the fact that
she could destroy our family and that you actually, um...
like men.
Or, you know, you are hooking up with men on the side.
What a----ing idiot.
That's been a thing for you
that you've had to listen to for 30 years, you know?
- Yeah. - You're a hairdresser,
so you're automatically gay.
The bottom line is, is gay, straight, whatever,
it's the adultery part of it that's bad.
I mean, I know I don't have to explain this sh-- to you.
- No, I, uh, listen-- - You know, it--
it's--it's crazy. It's nuts. It's a smear campaign.
And to what end is this woman willing to go to?
- What did we do? - Don't let this bother you.
Okay? Because I stood up for my family,
and I stood up for... - Well--okay--
...and for our marriage and for our family unit.
I don't...
Shawn, she's a miserable bitch. Don't let her get to you.
You know, Elektra's gonna hear about this,
and it kills me to think...
that she would ever think that I would do something like this.
She's not gonna think that.
And, you know, she knows who her mom and dad are.
I've been working my ass off...
to be her hero.
But you are, and the way that you handle this
is gonna show her.
She's gonna admire you even more.
You know, it's very dangerous to make accusations of infidelity
in the Greek community
because we are practicing Orthodox.
We got married in the Greek Orthodox Church
24 years ago,
and infidelity is against our religion.
Shawn and I might have our problems,
but being under attack, we are a united front no matter what.
You know, if somebody comes for my family, my character,
they're not welcome here anymore.
She's not welcome in this home.
I don't wanna be around her at all.
Rise and shine.
How are you?
Good.
Jadey-bug.
Okay, start waking up, okay?
I'm gonna start making breakfast,
but don't go back to sleep.
Okay, we're all getting up. Okay?
Are you tired, too?
You look like you're still asleep.
♪ Rise and shine
As a single mom, my life consists of running
my kids everywhere, all day, every day.
I mean, four different schedules,
literally four different schools.
This one likes football. This one likes gymnastics.
This one likes art. You know what I would like?
Oh, my God.
Five hours of extra sleep.
West, what are you doing?
- Oh, good, you found your shoes. - They were right next to my--
What's wrong with this one? What the heck happened?
- I know. - Did Chap chew that?
- Probably. - Chap.
My childhood was very different from my kids'.
Growing up, we moved around so much
because my mom was always looking
for something bigger and better.
A lot of times, that was at my expense.
Cocoa bean!
Good morning!
I think there is some resentment there for that.
You guys have your backpacks?
Let's go. Jade, we're gonna leave without you, girl.
No!
I've always been searching for stability,
because I never had that.
The only thing that I can count on with my mom
is that there's nothing to count on with my mom.
Who the freak's socks are out here?
Whose socks are in the yard?
I know I'm not a perfect mom, but I also know that my children
will always be provided for,
and they will always have the essentials.
Mm-hmm.
Did you have so much fun?
Was that before or after you said the "B" word, Westley?
An accident?
Boner?!
- Okay. Wow. - Where did you learn that word?
-"Boner" is a bad word. - What?
- Did you just trip up the curb? - No, I slipped.
There's secret ice.
Yeah. Stay away from that secret ice.
- Oh, here. - Thanks, Jack.
Welcome to M. Vincé Nail Spa. How are you doing today?
- How are you? Good, good. - Good, good.
- Did we have appointment today? - We do, for two.
Okay. Yeah. Go ahead and just get signed in for me real quick.
Okay, thank you. - And we'll get started here.
Let me have you-- let's sit here.
- Thank you. - And you can go there.
- Awesome. - How are you?
Fine.
Oh, my gosh. I love that the water's hot.
Um, okay, so what's going on for prom?
Uh, just asked a very beautiful young lady last night.
She said yes?
Yeah.
- Are you excited? - Yeah, I'm so pumped.
Does she know you're going on a mission?
You know, a lot of people here
pay their kids to go on mission or blackmail 'em
or say, like, "Go, or you're gonna embarrass the family."
Like, there's social pressures in Utah,
but Jack has been raised non-orthodox,
and so I'm still, like, processing everything.
Like, the fact that I'm not gonna have my son for two years
is, like, a lot for a mom.
Every single second with him,
I just want it to be, like, the best second with him.
And it's a good thing. He's big into men's grooming.
Like... it's a bonus.
Um, in my friend group, everyone was like, shocked.
And with Heather, she asked me some questions, like,
"Does he know it's gonna be hard?"
- Yeah. - And I'm like, "Yeah, Heather.
He's like, good." I just couldn't get
where she was going with it.
Whitney told me that Jack's going on a mission.
Yeah.
If you could choose for him, would you tell him to go or not?
Heather, we have to table this for another day.
Like, it's really none of her business.
It's not like he's doing anything bad.
I mean, he chose to serve a mission instead of,
like, meth or, like, teenage pregnancies.
I feel like you've made the appropriate steps,
um, to, like, be prepared for this.
What about the Book of Mormon? Have you read that?
- Yeah, I'm reading it right now. - What do you think of it?
- Very action packed. - Really?
- Yep. - That's interesting.
No, I have not read the Book of Mormon,
but based on the things
I'm hearing about this book, I kind of want to read it.
You can turn into a movie, and it'd, like, be good.
I'm, like, shocked that Jack is reading it before me.
I am an avid reader.
Heather asked me if you've gone through the temple yet.
And I'm like, "Not yet."
She goes, "Are you or John gonna go?"
And I'm like, "Definitely John." I'm like, "I just have to think
about, like, what's right for Jack."
Going to the temple is like, next level commitment,
and, you know, like, you're gonna have to wear garments.
- And I respect the garments. - The G's.
And so, and you know, I don't do that.
I go to church every Sunday.
The difference is the pretty buildings, the temples,
you have to be worthy to go in them.
But your dad 100% will be in there with you.
- Yeah. - Do you know what I mean?
Yep.
Like, I might not feel worthy because
I drink too much Diet Coke.
Someone might not be-- feel worthy because
they drink too much alcohol.
Like, someone might not be worthy because
they're hitting it with their neighbor.
I mean, there's lots of reasons you don't go.
It's not like I'm doing anything wrong, Jack,
but I could do more right.
Like, there's been a night that I don't go to bed,
like, thinking, like, was I a good enough mom today?
Clearly I'm a great mom if you made this decision.
No, the decision was all me, though.
That's why I didn't tell you.
I know.
I'm excited.
I'm excited for you. I love you.
- Love you. - I love you so much.
- My little bestie. - Yep.
Coming up...
I think Heather finally
is willing to try and learn to trust me.
She has never given me that. This is----ing bullsh--.
♪.
Hey, Ange.
- Hello. - Hey!
Oh, my gosh, you guys.
I love coming to a Greek's house 'cause I know I'm gonna eat.
You're gonna eat with me.
Aw, it's so good to see you guys.
We brought you something.
Yeah. We brought you all the necessary things.
Wow. Thank you. Come on in. Can I take your purses?
Is Shawn here?
He just took a Elektra to horseback riding lessons.
- Oh, he did? - Yeah. Uh-huh.
Oh, my gosh. I love this. All my favorite things.
- Help yourselves. - Do you have Diet Coke?
- Oh, Lord. - It's okay if you don't.
I can grab one on my way home.
She probably has one in her car. In fact, I did. I saw a cup.
On a normal day, I would have grabbed you some.
No, no, no. It's good.
I'm, like, uh, you know, little sleep-deprived.
How are you feeling?
Guys... I'm still processing.
I mean, I feel like I'm half asleep right now.
Do you guys want to sit down, and I'll bring this over?
Yeah, no, we can sit down.
I am definitely worried about Angie.
I know what it feels like. I went through this.
I mean, I wish someone had checked in on me last year.
Instead, I had to go to bed eating a burrito.
I'm so grateful that you guys are here.
I just keep looking at you, and it's like this
sort of sense of relief because this has been hard...
- Oh, my God. - ...to put a smile on my face
in front of my daughter
and talk to Shawn this morning about it.
I just--I told him.
- He cried. - Oh, my God.
Because now there's a little person involved.
You know, I--to see him like that just crushed me.
- It's the worst. - It's--
But because of the impact it's gonna have on Elektra.
She's gonna hear this, and it's out there.
How is this gonna affect my daughter?
Mm-hmm.
But he's like, "I've been working so hard
to be her hero and, like, everything that I've worked for,
and I would never want her to think
that I would do that to our family.
Ange, I was just in your shoes. No one believes this bullsh--.
You and Shawn are like me and John.
We work together. We do everything.
- We're family. - We are inseparable,
the three of us. - Yeah.
We know where your husband sleeps.
He sleeps in your bed with Elektra.
- Every night. - Yes.
We all go to bed at the same time.
And last night,
when we went to bed, she, like, grabbed and held my hand,
and I fell asleep with her little hand in mine.
And I just thought, you know, this is what matters.
And the biggest thing here
is how am I going to navigate this in front of her?
I'm in a weird position because
I'm trying to build a friendship back with Meredith,
but, like, in my head, I'm like, no, no, no, no,
pump the brakes, because how do I stay silent
when she's, like, literally the exact same thing
doing to you what she did to me.
It's literally a formula,
and you just--it's like, take Lisa's name out,
insert Angie's.
My advice is do not feed into Meredith.
You did nothing wrong.
Learn from my experience last year...
- Well... - In mind, in mind.
I wish I would have just been like, stop, move on.
- She is not worth it. - No.
Why is Monica saying so much, though?
I honestly felt like Monica, like, she had heard the rumor
and she was like, "I wanna be a good friend to Angie,"
like, in the moment.
She----ing makes up stuff just like that Snoop Dogg plane ride.
I know, but the point-- like, I think that,
yes, you and Monica had an interesting time
in Palm Springs, and there was that whole thing.
But I-I think it is important to remember
that she had the courage to tell you.
Like, she was being a good friend to you.
Well, I'm grateful you both sat me down.
I-I am.
Monica's not the one to be blamed for this
just because she said what the rumor was.
She's Meredith's decoy, and I just can't believe that
Lisa is really, like, falling for it, too.
Like, Meredith is the one who started this.
It was a rough one, and I could not have gotten through--
- Well, you're doing so well. - You know what, Angie--
Like, you're--I honestly thought we were gonna come over
to a different situation. - Yeah, you were so tough.
You were so tough yesterday, too. Like, yeah.
You're strong. You're a badass.
Well, thank you. I do have to ask,
how do you feel about Heather after yesterday?
So, you know, I told her, I'm like,
"You're the last one to know, but Jack's going on a mission."
And you know, I'm like, "This is a positive experience for Jack."
I don't need to argue it with Heather.
I want you to know, after Palm Springs,
I've seen a different side of Heather,
and... she invited me to her house.
You said a lot of mean, horrible things to me about my life.
And I'm sorry.
Look, you've seen I get hot and say things, and I apologize.
I have to say I had mad respect for you.
Like, I don't think I could have survived that trip
the way you did, And I wanna apologize
that I didn't show up for you at all. I'm really sorry.
Well, the fact that you are acknowledging that
means the world to me.
It gives me a glimmer of hope that you and I can move forward.
And look, I was... honored,
actually, that she invited me into her home
because I've known her since I was 15,
and I don't like the tension.
Mm-hmm.
I think Heather finally opened up to me,
and she said that in Palm Springs,
she really felt bad that she sat back
while I was... taking all that sh--.
I think because it felt layered on, and she sat--
you know, she was part of it. - No, the layers are never good.
She was part of it.
I think she started to feel really guilty about it.
- Mm-hmm. - Good.
Yeah, it was layered. It was layered.
Oh, I know what it feels like to be layered on, trust me.
I know you do. I've seen it.
I don't know. She was, like, really receptive.
She was kind and that she said, "You took a lot of sh--.
You have a lot of grit."
Oh, my gosh. You're lucky she gave that to you.
- She's never done that with me. - Well, and, look--
No, for real. Like, a lot's going through my mind right now.
- And it-- - Because I'm like,
I'm happy for you, but she has never given me that,
like, ever, Ange. Ever. - Lisa, it's given me a lot--
It's--It's taken me a long time to get there.
And I have mixed feelings about it.
I am literally getting triggered by this because I'm like,
where was this friendship last year?
Like, this is----ing bullsh--.
♪.
Like, the amount of crap I have gone through
and that she has seen me gone through,
like, I've had to put my hurt aside with a lot of things.
I know. - And for me, I'm like,
you know what? Last year, Heather, if you even
cared a 10th about me, you would have come to me
and said to me, like, "Hey, guess what? You took a beating.
I saw you just getting brutalized,
and I feel bad about it."
It is so upsetting to me
because where are my accolades for putting up with people
talking about my family, my business, me behind my back?
It's like, Angie, you had a bad weekend in Palm Springs.
I had to endure it for three----ing years.
Listen, Angie, you just went through sh-- yesterday.
Like, literally, this is not about me,
but I have had literally what you had times 10, Ange.
I know. I know. - I know this----ing sucks,
and it's so raw. - It does.
But it came, and it wouldn't stop.
I know.
Somebody told Henry last week that they're like,
"Oh, there's naked pictures of your mom online."
Henry lost his mind.
He called me hysterically crying. He's in fifth grade.
And because of all this other stupid stuff,
it made him think for a minute, like,
"Maybe there is that about my mom."
I get it, Lisa.
Lisa's reaction is very shocking to me.
Like, I had no idea that she was harboring so many feelings
from last year, but, like, Lisa, read the room.
The timing is not right.
Like, we came over here to make Angie feel better.
I had the sh-- kicked out of me emotionally,
and I was just, like, it all because
no one's there for me for a time,
and I'm just like, whatever.
Is it hard to sit here and hear that she got invited over,
got an apology... - You--You got an apology.
- ...and you never did? -"Oh, I wanna get to know you"?
I have never gotten that from Heather.
I like myself too much. Like, I like who I am.
I like myself too much to even deal with this.
I'm good with you guys. That's all I----ing care about.
Everybody else-- we'll figure it out.
It's been a little bit of a rough few days.
After my friend Kathy and I left Lisa's party...
She's not my problem.
She's her own problem.
We got in the car,
and we're driving for about 15 minutes or so
in a terrible, terrible snowstorm.
And our driver lost control of the car.
On one side of the road was the cliff,
and the other side was a snowbank.
And it appeared
that we were going to go over the cliff.
And he somehow gained enough control
to steer us into the snowbank.
It was... terrifying.
I thought I was dying.
I thought my last interactions of significance
were what just happened at Lisa's party
that was just ugly and mean.
And I decided I really wanna spend my time
with the people that I care about the most,
because we never know when it's ending.
I'm like, I'm--I'm... Yeah.
Can we come back to this?
So, what's going on on the dating front?
Nothing serious with anyone.
I mean, I just got out of, like, a serious relationship.
So, I feel like that's the last thing that I want.
Well, it was a great first relationship.
You know? I mean...
Well, yeah, I completely agree.
He was fun and... you know,
moving on.
Watching Brooks navigate his first relationship
was incredible.
What do you want? What are you looking for?
I don't know.
And now Brooks has become,
you know, more secure in his own being.
Do you know what you don't want?
I don't know what I don't want.
It's wild to see him feeling comfortable and open.
I like that Dad brings me coffee in bed every morning.
I don't need my boyfriend to do that.
Um... well, if you have a date
or someone special you wanna invite,
I'm hoping that, um, you guys
will all come to the GLAAD Awards in L.A.
They have asked me to sit on the host committee,
and--and they've asked me to join the board.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
Most supportive mom I know.
Thanks, honey.
Are you so excited to go snowshoeing?
Yes. However, this weather is a little intimidating.
I like how you're just using your goggles and sunglasses
while you drive.
Thanks.
I like that you're wearing a 40-inch ponytail
when we snowshoe.
We're here.
The land of snowshoeing.
Whoo! All right, let's do it.
Wow.
Here's your snowshoe.
Okay, let's see if I can figure this out.
I have done this before.
You want help?
Let me be your ski concierge.
- Ow! - Sorry. Sorry.
It's like a stretch putting these on.
Maybe you should stretch a little more often.
Trust me, I get stretched all the time.
Okay, enough.
Let's go.
Come on!
I'm not running.
Coming up...
Don't just walk into my house.
I knock, and nobody answers the door.
You just walk in. I could be having sex,
69 on the couch, and you would just walk in and see it.
And we would never be the same again.
Hey, Monica, Nana's hungry.
Can we get Nana some lunch
before we go to the senior center?
Yeah, sure. Nana, are you hungry?
She likes the, um, fish sandwiches at McDonald's.
Oh, my gosh.
Moving around so much as a kid,
I didn't get to know my cousins and aunts and uncles,
but my grandmother and I were always very, very close.
And a large fry.
My grandmother and I are like... soul sisters,
and I know my time with her is limited,
and I definitely don't take it for granted.
Nana, do you want some ice cream?
No?
Ooh! Nana, you want a French fry?
Give her her sandwich. She's hangry.
Oh, as soon as she sees the center ladies,
she'll perk up, as--as soon as she sees her friends.
Nana, you love your program, huh?
Nana.
Okay, we're here.
Hi, everybody! Did you meet my daughter?
- This is Olivia's granddaughter. - Yes.
- Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you guys.
My grandma loves coming here so much.
She loves you guys so much.
I'm gonna come sit right here.
What are you guys playing?
So, when Marie calls, like, a 5 of Clubs,
you put it in here.
Oh, okay.
What are we playing for? Are we playing for money?
Oh, we're playing for Coke. Okay.
Here we go.
King of Spades. We're right out of the gate.
Right out the gate with the King,
ladies and gentlemen,
- Jack of Clubs. - Jack of Clubs.
- Me. - Oh, Nana!
Yay!
You're the best dealer. She's got the energy.
Okay...
I'm out. Mom, do you wanna go get some coffee? Okay.
You know what? I think you can find a man here.
- Oh, my gosh. - Come and scope out
the senior citizens? - What about the one--
Oh, the cutest one is leaving. He's leaving. Story of my life.
- Go get his number. - Shut up.
Oh, my gosh.
I had a date Thursday that I have to tell you about.
- Oh, God. - Yeah.
Okay, let's sit down.
- 2 of Clubs. - All right,
can I tell you about my date? - How old is he?
He's two years younger than me, so he's close to my age.
- That's good. - Yeah.
- 'Cause they never... - Hey.
Uh, anyway, so he hits me up
on Thursday, and he invited me to spend the weekend with him.
- Did you have fun? - He ghosted me.
You must have done something.
- I did. - Queen of Diamonds!
- What did you do? - I told him...
Queen of Hearts. Yeah.
What?
That even though I'm not Mormon anymore,
I'm still celibate.
Mom!
I don't believe in sex before marriage.
Mom.
It is confusing that she is
still following the doctrine but has left the Church.
Somehow I think it makes her feel like a-a better person.
Okay, I may be doing this, or I may be doing that,
but I'm not having sex before marriage.
Do you still consider yourself Mormon?
I struggle with it, genuinely.
Do you want to raise the girls in the Church?
Because I believe wholeheartedly that those girls need Jesus.
- They need scripture. - Okay, but do you realize--
They need prayer. They need to learn how to pray.
Okay, stop. Stop. For real.
Because when you left the Church, you came to me,
and you apologized for raising me in the Church.
- No, I didn't. - Yes, you did.
You were like, "I'm so sorry that I raised you in this."
I don't remember that.
That's wild, because I will never forget that.
- Um... - But now you want me
to raise my kids in it. Do you know what I'm saying?
What I think is important is family prayer.
It's a joy to be the spiritual leader of your family.
- Okay. - Every Sunday, we never missed.
- We went to church every Sunday. - And guess what? Your daughter
still got knocked up at 19. - It was good--
You are literally saying
if you don't go to church every Sunday,
I'm raising my kids wrong.
I do more with my kids than you ever did with me,
and that is a fact.
- I was a single parent. - I was a single parent!
Making almost no money.
I made $6.25 an hour when I had Bri.
I was on food stamps. I was on state assistance.
I was on all the things.
We need to stop having a pissing contest.
I'm your mother. I am not your equal.
- Mom-- - There has to be boundaries.
- You don't wanna go there. - I do.
Okay, let's talk about a boundary
that you literally cannot learn,
which is don't just walk into my house. You just walk in.
I knock, and nobody answers the door.
I could be having sex, 69 on the couch,
and you would just walk in and see it,
and we would never be the same again.
4 of Clubs. All right.
Lock your door if you're gonna have 69 on the couch.
I'm just saying. Let's start with that one.
- That would be great. - Okay, what else?
Don't say nasty things about me.
- Like what? - Like when you forgot to hang up
on me on the phone the other day.
I didn't know you were on the phone.
Recently, we were having a disagreement.
She thought that the call dropped,
and it hung up, and it did not.
"You----ing piece of sh--.
I hate your----ing guts,
you----ing bitch.
I----ing can't stand you."
Nicki, on this place, you don't talk dirty.
That was your daughter. That's what she said.
I was repeating it, Nana.
I don't care who is. No dirty here.
Mom, honestly...
- It's not----ing funny. - I'm so sorry.
I wish I could say that was the first time
that had happened or that that wasn't normal, um...
but that's very on par for... my mom.
Like, in my worst days when I'm upset,
I don't talk about hating my children's----ing guts.
I really don't. I've never--
Like, I can't even imagine saying that.
Yeah.
Ace of Hearts!
It's me!
Hi!
Who's this cool girl sitting over here?
I did-- I did not even recognize you.
Yeah, I'm--Really?
I've tried to turn up.
Your boots match your entire fit, too.
I love it.
I wouldn't want to ski with you if you weren't matching.
- Solid? - Solid.
You are going to fly. Fly by.
Oh, we should hit that little jump.
That's kind of a cool little contraption.
- Yeah. - I'll give myself a break, too.
Gonna give a break? Yeah.
- Does that feel better? - Yeah. Thank you.
- Fun party the other day. - Oh, Lisa's party?
- Yeah. - Did you have a good time?
I mean, I had fun until the end. It was crazy.
I know. Well, I talked to Lisa about Jack going on his mission
at the Aprés Ski, and she was like,
"You're the last person I've told."
And I was like, why didn't she wanna tell me?
I know more about missions than anybody here.
Why was I the last to know?
It seems like it's just like a sore spot for you.
- Like, it does it bug you? - It doesn't bug you?
I don't really care.
Like, honestly, good for him.
- Good for him? - Yeah.
- Why? - I think that he's doing
what he thinks is good for him at this point in his life.
And you don't have any global feelings about that
in terms of, like, the Mormon Church?
Oh, I have global feelings about the Mormon Church,
but I don't really think
about Jack and his relationship with the church.
Whitney choosing to say, "Good for him" makes no sense.
It's absurd.
How can the Church be this horrible, traumatic thing
that's ruined your life,
that you wrote a letter to get away from...
- Heather. - You printed it?
This is the letter.
...but also be good for him
to go out there and convert more people to live it?
You don't feel conflicted about it when
he's actually gonna, like, go door to door...
telling people to join the Mormon Church
when you've just left it?
If I'm hearing you, do you feel like
it's just, like, hypocritical? Is that...
No, I just think, like, we are...
- Like, he should be-- - ...acting all supportive
and excited about a guy that's gonna go out there
and sell a church that we know can be very destructive
and not give them any of the details,
just have them sign on the dotted line,
because that's what we do as missionaries.
And I'm conflicted because I--
of course, I had good experiences
and learned a language and got to see France
and have all these things
that didn't ruin my life on my mission,
but I also had to convince people who didn't want
to change their lives to join the Mormon Church,
and I feel shame about that.
Like, I feel bad that I changed
and ruined a lot of people's lives with such conviction.
- Yeah. - And if he was recruiting
for another institution that had the same issues,
we would not be like, "I don't care. To each his own."
What do you expect me to do, go knock on the door
and be like, "Stop this"?
I feel like we're not being honest about Church history,
that it's homophobic,
that it disacknowledges any sort of transgender.
It just says it doesn't exist.
These are my feelings about the Church.
I know that they're not everyone's feelings
about the Church, but they are Whitney's,
from what she's expressed to me and what we have discussed
and what we have cried about and bonded over,
she felt the very same way.
- It's completely... - Sexist,
...sexist, misogynistic, bigoted,
and it has a horrible, problematic, racist history.
And so I feel like I'm in this, like, zone
of where I'm trying to, like, form a new identity
in a community that's telling me that I'm wrong.
And that's how I feel writing this book.
Like, I feel like I walk into a room,
and everybody, like, assumes I'm their enemy.
And I feel like that's kind of how Lisa felt.
She didn't want to tell me about Jack's mission
'cause she assumed I was gonna feel a certain kind of way
'cause I wrote a certain kind of book.
It's interesting that you say that,
because I was with Lisa and Ange the other day,
and Lisa had this major reaction
to hearing that Angie came over to your house.
She got mad that Angie came to my house?
Yes. I think she was, like, jealous. Like, she was hurt.
I'm really confused by Lisa.
I don't know what she wants from me.
If she wants to, like, have a compassionate friendship,
you'd think she would tell me about Jack's mission
and include me in all of that, but she didn't.
But she's upset that I would extend myself to Angie.
Like, she was really, like, butthurt about it.
I've never seen anything like it before.
Next time on "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City"...
Monica came to me like, "I'm your friend.
I wanna tell this rumor to you."
She's not your friend. That's the bottom line.
I don't break down and cry very often.
and to see your wedding ring in the drawer every day,
that hurts me.
I just wanted to start off by welcoming everyone
to our Greek Easter lunch.
Your experience growing up in the Church
was totally different than my experience.
You can't tell me that you have a different level of Mormonism.
Our Mormonism is the same.
You wrote a book about being a bad Mormon.
I'm focused on my kid being a good Mormon.
Difference between you and me is I don't----ing hide it.
Everyone here is talking sh-- behind your back.
I'm the only one saying it to your face.
Tell her to stop it!
Are you serious?!
What is happening?