Previously on "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City"...
You are the least Mormon person on the planet.
-I'm 100% Mormon. -Okay.
That's why my kid's serving the Lord.
[laughs]
So, Monica, what's going on with the car?
I pay for everything, but it's in my mom's name,
so every time she gets mad at me, she takes the car.
Left me without a ----ing car and my four kids.
My intent was never to cause harm.
And that's where I wanna end it. I'm done. I feel good, Monica.
I don't wanna have bad feelings with you.
I don't ever wanna ----ing talk about you again or toyou.
-Business 101. -Stop talking to me.
-You realize--I amcalm. -Okay. You guys--you guys
totally don't like each other. -Stop.
[tones resounding]
***
-Hey. Heather? -Hi!
-So nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you in person. Hi.
-Yes. So glad to have met. -So excited. Hi. I'm Heather.
-Hi. Nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you.
So, tell me a little bit about your event.
Okay, so I'm trying to set a vibe
that's, like, a lot more book club-by.
-Yeah. -Because the last event
we did was, like, 900 people. -Right.
So, this I want to be, like, much more intimate.
-Like, people have chairs. -Totally.
-They have drinks, you know? -Yeah. Okay.
The routine is basically I get up there.
Like, someone introduces me, then I do, like, a spiel.
Like, I talk. I do a reading from the book.
I talk about the experience of writing the book.
So, having kind of like a stage presence here.
A rug, and kind of like a little bit more of
a cozy, intimate seating. -This is gonna be great.
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[singsongy] Celia.
Hi, pretty girl.
[gasps] Look at you. Should we brush your hair?
That feel good?
***
[whispers] There we go.
***
So pretty. Yes. Can you see better now?
Should we get your hair out of your eyes?
***
[music warps and winds down]
[music winds up and resumes]
[doorbell rings]
-[singsongy] Hey. -Hi.
-How's it going? -Oh, I'm just, like, enjoying--
-Are you tired? -I'm--no, I'm sorry.
I'm in pajamas because Justin's away on a business trip.
LISA: I would wear that out.
But I'm just, like, living it up, Lisa.
I'm like, my first night off from having an event.
-People in town. -Yeah, people in town.
So, I'm like, I'm making a charcuterie board
and pouring wine... -Oh, my gosh.
...and letting the kids watch a movie, and I'm gonna just chill.
-[cellphone rings] -Oh, my gosh.
-Heather's calling me right now. -Heather.
What's up, Lisa Barlow?
Um, I'm at Whitney's. Say hi to Whitney.
-Hi, Heather. -Oh. Oh, hey, Whitney.
[singsongy] I'm with my bestie. Um...
You two little peas in a pod.
-[laughs] -So jealous.
Lisa, I have an idea. It's a little bit of a shtick.
-Okay. -I don't know if you
will be into it, but I thought you could
introduce me at the book tour event.
We could come up with something fun where, like,
you'll have the mic. You'll be onstage. You can sing.
-Okay. -Sing, like, "Away in a Manger"
or-- -I'm in.
-I love it. -Okay, well, thanks.
-All right. Bye, Heather. -Okay, bye-ee.
Deep down she lovesme. She lovesme.
Now I think we have to read the book.
[laughs] No, we have to read the book.
At least the parts about us.
Can I sit by you, or is that...
Yeah, sit by me. I'm, like, inhaling food.
-Are you gonna eat? -Yeah, I am.
I'm gonna grab a napkin real quick.
-I went for the paper towels. -Oh, look,
I even have Prism leftovers. -Oh, my gosh, I love those.
You probably didn't see those at the event, did you?
No, I didn't get to see much. It was all a blur.
I remember the beginning and kind of the end,
and that was it. -So, what the [bleep] happened?
Um, I don't know. It was so weird.
The whole thing was so weird.
I'm, like, mortified that the two of you
behaved that way at my, like, Prism event.
-I mean, I-- -Because, Lisa--
I didn't start it. I did not start that.
-I don't care who started it. -'Kay.
Like, you both should have enough self-awareness
and self-control to realize that
you're screaming and yelling at my business event.
What did you hear me scream?
-Oh, I could hear you screaming. -What did I scream?
"Stop it!"
Please stop talking to me!
"Stop it! Stop it! Stop it!"
I said, "Please stop talking to me."
She would not stop. She-- I don't even know where she was.
During a sound bath, like, Lisa.
Okay, so it's my fault Monica's ri-ridiculous, okay.
Uh, no. It's both of your fault.
I was equally upset with both of you,
probably a little more upset with you
because I know that you know my brand,
you know my heart, you know my journey.
Are you kidding me?
You of all people should not be talking to me
about event etiquette.
Did you forget about Coach Shah's birthday party?
Why are your friends saying they're scared of you and not--
They're not my ----ing friends! I don't ----ing know!
And you're, like, chastising me.
Maybe I should be mad at her for having a cash bar and no food.
You deserve an apology, Whitney.
That's, like, I am so sorry that that happened at your event.
-All right. -I'm so sorry.
I'm responsible for staying.
And I'm confused by Ange's behavior, too,
because I don't feel like shelikes Monica.
I don't think Monica likes her.
I don't know what their side conversations are. I don't.
Are you upset with Ange over that?
I'm not upset with her. I'm hurt by her.
Because when we left-- 'cause I'm piecing it together.
And when you left, you were upset with--
'cause Ange and Monica were hugging.
I gotta go to my kids.
Look at this huggy-huggy-huggy it out!
Like, I honestly think it's so weird.
Well, it's--it contradicts what Ange says.
The ocular doesn't match the words.
I do think that there is this weird sense
that Angie has to please you. I do see it.
I think maybe Angie does placate...
-She's--She's-- -...to your emotions
and not wanna upset you. -No.
'Cause she loves you and adores you.
No, that's not the case. That's not the case, no.
You don't--Has she ever stood up to you?
I think that you're triggered as sh-- over Angie and Monica.
I'm gonna tell you exactly how I feel so nobody has to guess.
I have no problem with Monica other than she upset my friend.
-That is it! End of story. -I know.
So, I'm not triggered by their friendship.
I'm th--I'm triggered by the fact that I'm like,
"What the [bleep] are you doing, Ange?"
***
It can be very difficult to talk to Lisa
because Lisa can only see things from her perspective.
And if you don't agree with that perspective,
she takes it as you are against her.
So, I understand why Angie is very hesitant
to tell Lisa how she feels,
because Lisa is gonna take it as a personal attack.
I don't care if they're ----ing friends!
That's the bottom line. Don't lie about it.
But it seems like you care.
No, but don't lie about it! If you're calling me and saying,
"[bleep] Monica. [bleep] her. [bleep] her"--
-Yeah. I don't-- -If you're calling me
and saying, "[bleep] her"-- -I swear in front of my friends,
but I really, like, I don't talk like that in my house.
Okay. Sorry, Brooks, if you can hear me.
He's right there.
Please go upstairs and shut your door.
You didn't do anything wrong.
I think that they're getting upset 'cause they think
that you and I are, like, mad at each other.
-Okay. -Like, they can hear us.
I'm happy to listen, but, like,
if we keep yelling at each other,
my kids are getting upset 'cause they're not--
I'm not yelling at you. I'm-- Listen--okay.
Well, just saying I know you're--
-Lisa, I know you're not. -Okay.
-And I know--I know how you are. -Okay, I'm gonna--
I just want you to know we're in my home.
-Okay. -Justin's out of town.
My kids aren't used to this. Like...
-Okay. Okay. -I don't really talk this way
in the home. Does that make sense? Like...
-Yeah, fine. -I'm fine to do it with you...
-Okay, Whitney? -...but I don't--
Okay, Whitney, understood.
My kids are just, like, different.
-Understood. -They don't understand
what's going on. -No, understood.
They think we're, like, yelling at each other, about ready to
tear each other's throats out. -Okay. Okay. Understood.
-And they're concerned... -Understood. Understood.
...'cause they're not used to hearing this.
Understood.
Oh, my God. Like, all of a sudden,
I'm Emily Post, and I'm gonna explain to you
how you should behave.
Well, let me get you a copy, bitch.
Because the first rule is
don't make your guests feel uncomfortable.
To me, when it comes to Ange,
she has to figure out, does she want that relationship?
Great if you do, but then don't tell me you don't want it.
That's what's triggering. I just don't wanna be lied to.
***
That's it. I don't wanna be lied to.
Coming up...
...that you were threatening my family.
I'm not threatening your family.
You said it-- "I could ruin their family."
"But I'm not going to." Big difference.
***
[doorbell rings]
MARY: [singsongy] There's Heather!
***
-Hello! -Hello!
How are you? And you look so cute.
Wow. Didn't you get fancy for just my house.
-Hi, Heather! -Of course.
Thanks for having me.
-Thank you for coming. -You smell good, too.
-First time? -First time ever.
When Mary invited me to come see where she lives,
there was no question.
-Oh, my gosh, Mary. -I know, right?
Grandpa Joe gets out of bed for two reasons--
Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory and Mary Cosby's house tour.
Oh, my gosh.
Mary's decor is exactly like Mary's personality.
You never quite know what you're gonna get.
Green carpet, Chanel pillows, Dr. Seuss chairs from Whoville.
***
Wow.
***
HEATHER: And it's Tiffany blue.
MARY: It isTiffany blue. You're exactly right.
-Here's a chair for you. -Thank you.
-Yeah. -This is fantastic.
-Thank you. -Thank you for having me.
I just wanted to have you over just to talk to you,
and we've always had, like, a connection.
-Yeah. -I mean, you could say no
if you don't agree.
But I feel like I always feel connected to you,
and I think it's the spiritual side of things.
I think it's our church up-growing.
Our understanding kind of each other's backgrounds,
spiritual backgrounds... -Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
...and, like, way of communicating, for sure.
Mm-hmm.
I've known Heather for... a few years now,
and I never really got to spend,
like, one-on-one time with Heather
because she was always up under Jen.
So, now that Jen's gone, I could really, like, have
a real, like, real conversation with her
and see how she's doing. And I wanted to talk to her
about what she put about me in her book.
That being said, how do you feel about...
not being at the Church?
Right now has been a really tumultuous time for me because
I don't really have the resources I used to have.
Like, I used to have a church community.
I used to have church that I could go to
every single Sunday, but I wrote the book,
um, and I mean, you know how our community is.
Mm-hmm, Mm-hmm.
We don't take kindly to dissenters...
-Mm-hmm. Mnh-mnh, mnh-mnh. -...or to critics of the faith.
We don't accept 'em.
I just feel like Heather, like, wants both.
She wants God, she wants her community,
she wants her church,
and then she wants her dark side,
but she cannot have both.
Like, she definitely has to pick a side.
-Speaking of the book... -Yes. The book.
So, you've read the book?
I read the part that you wrote about me.
Is that the only part you read?
I read--I...you know, here and kind of...
-You skimmed it. -Yeah.
-Okay. -I kind of skimmed through it,
but that was the part that I remembered.
-Yeah. -Because it wasn't true.
The part where I wrote about you?
Yes.
-Every word was true. -No, it was not.
Absolutely.
No. Heather, some of that was not true,
what you said--wrote about me.
"Mary was equal parts elusive and forthcoming,
engaging and disinterested.
I agreed with anything and everything she said.
And when she corrected my grammar, my pronunciation,
my diet, and my physical appearance,
I hung my head in shame and thanked her sincerely."
-Like, I was this... -I thought I celebrated you.
...bougie po--Like, I'm this bougie, poised...
Miss Mary, you arebougie and poised.
-No, I'm not. -[laughs]
I don't think anything I said was that bad.
And if anything, I erred on the side of caution.
I want you to know I care about you.
I know, and I feel like that's the place we're in now.
I think a lot of what I wrote about in the book was in a place
where we were more careless
with the mean things we said to each other,
and that's what kind of got in the book.
Okay.
I mean, there were harsh words exchanged.
That was-- That was the part that--
-And what did you find harsh? -Well, I think you--
'Cause I thought you were harsh towards me.
Well, I mean, you've said I don't even know I look inbred.
-Do you think I look inbred? -I do.
***
Oh, Lord. [snickers]
[snorts] Oh, sorry.
[whispers] Sorry.
Oh, God.
That--Heather's gonna get me for that one.
So, did that bother you when I said that?
Yeah, because inbred means ugly.
Well, if that bothered you, let me apologize now.
I just was angry, and I'm sorry.
-Like, I really am sorry. -I appreciate that.
Yeah. I would never want to intentionally hurt you
or say things to you that is not true.
I mean, it's just-- it's hard because
a lot of people are upset about what I wrote in the book.
You're not the first one to come to me and say,
"I'm upset about it," but I was trying to tell my story
as authentically as possible
without hurting too many feelings.
As much as I--that part that was like, ugh,
I'm so proud of you.
-Well, thank you. -I'm proud of you.
And one day you can write your own book,
and you'll see how hard it is to be authentic, but also be kind.
[laughs]
But this has been really fun. Thanks for having me.
I love--your house is grand.
I think we need, like, to have a spectacular party
at night with all the lights.
Party one thing,
but the people that are at your party matters to me.
[laughs]
Coming up...
-Oh, look! Oh, look! There's-- -Is that Vovó?
-That's your car. -Oh, my God.
I don't want her to come in here.
-What are you doing here? -I come bearing gifts.
***
Okay, here we go.
***
I've got this SquadCast thing open
like you told me to last time.
Well, I just never closed it, to be totally transparent here.
Um, so do I just hit "join session"?
Okay.
Hold on. So, here's what I see on my screen.
Antonio, I was really good at-- the first part
of plugging everything in, I'm really good at.
Oh, there. I appeared. See? I'm really good.
-Who are you talking to? -Antonio.
-He's helping me get set up. -Antonio!
Okay. Welcome back to "Hanging by a Thread."
So, we are picking up where we left off last time,
which was, uh, going into our wedding.
[smacking lips]
-Could you stop? -[laughs]
Seth and I have really busy schedules,
and we can't necessarily get together
every single week to record a podcast.
So, we wanna have some of them banked
to make sure we actually have something to air every week,
but reeling Seth in is a job in and of itself.
So, our wedding.
Oof!
First of all, you wanted to have, like,
the biggest production of all time.
I think it was 350. 3-5-0 guests.
Ritz-Carlton, Chicago. Had to be at the Ritz-Carlton.
Didn't have to be at the Ritz-Carlton.
Oh, it could have been at the Four Seasons.
I'm sorry. We had the prenuptial dinner there.
No, we have a post-nup.
The reason we had a post-nup...
-15 years into the marriage. -15 years into the marriage.
You were very disconnected from me at that point in time.
***
I was moving with three children
from Chicago to Park City, Utah,
where, if you were to go get a divorce,
it is not favorable for women in Utah.
I was worried that I would lose my children
and be stuck somewhere that I didn't know
and that he would leave me.
***
And that is why I had a post-nup.
There was nothing financial in it.
It was strictly about custody of our children.
You were afraid Iwas gonna leave you?
Mm-hmm.
I don't think Seth remembers how bad things really were.
Like, back then, I was terrified he was leaving.
Like, we were not happy together. It was not good.
During this whole time, I believe it was
the husband's responsibility to provide the financial support
for your family and nothing else.
Make as much money as you can.
Provide a better life for your kids than you had.
But I would--when the kids had issues or challenges
or homework or problems,
I didn't want anything to do with it.
I wasn't there for, like, from an emotional support standpoint,
and I regret that.
***
And...
And--And I apologize for that.
***
[whispers] Thank you.
Yeah, I take responsibility for it, and that's why I know
that they're-- -Uh-oh.
-[music warps and winds down] -What?
Is this recording? No?
Oh, my God. Meredith, you are sh--ting me.
No, you did not not get that sh--.
Seriously?
[laughter]
***
[giggling]
-MONICA: Bri? -Yeah.
-Let's finish your prom stuff. -Okay!
Hey! Hey, hey. Who did this?
Me!
***
Oh, my gosh. Yeah. You wanna help Bri?
Okay, Bri, what else do we need to do for your prom stuff?
I wanna help you! I wanna help you!
We just need to blow balloons up.
Jaid, do you know how to tie 'em?
Yes, I know how to tie a balloon.
I don't. [laughs] I don't know how to tie 'em.
Oh, look! Oh, look! There's a...
Is that Vovó? What are you talking about?
That's Vovó.
-That's your car. -Oh, my God.
Okay, Bri, I don't want her to come in here
with the kids, for real.
So, can you please just...
Lock the door after you go out?
Stay in here with them?
-Latches? -Yeah.
There's been zero communication
between my mother and I since dinner. None.
We're lost.
All I care about is that this sh--
is now affecting my children,
and that's where I draw the ----ing line.
When you take our vehicle, I'm done.
-Oh, so it's my fault? -That's exactly what I'm saying.
***
What are you doing here?
-Hi. -Why...
I come bearing gifts.
This is not a gift.
A peace offering.
-Okay? -I can't do this anymore.
-Okay. -Like, I can't live with,
when you get upset or mad,
that you are just going to come and take my car from me.
I'm just trying to get your attention.
Then I'll stop. I won't do it anymore.
This is our pattern.
Our relationship has always been very volatile
and very up and down.
It's like high highs and low lows.
I clearly have... some skills to learn.
***
When we had dinner, I was serious about therapy.
I think it would be so good for us.
I think we need to get back on track.
Are you down with having therapy with me?
I don't know. I would like to think about it, to be honest,
because we have gone to therapy for years, and--
But it was such a long time ago.
-[sighs] -The cycle of dysfunction
in our family goes back generations, right?
You and I can be the ones to break it.
We can do that.
-Mom... -[stammers]
...you just kidnapped my car from me,
and you wanna talk about dysfunction.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
My mother and I have been to therapy together severaltimes,
but it did not help.
We go to therapy. My mother shows up. She's not herself.
And unless you're gonna go to therapy
and be really freaking, brutally honest
and show up as your messed up self,
it doesn't fix anything.
You and I? Look at me. We can be the ones.
***
We--I'm serious.
I just need time to think about it.
You better get to walking, though,
'cause it's gonna be a coldwalk home.
You cannot be serious.
I mean, it's beautiful out.
Can Bri drive me?
No.
***
-Heavy. [laughs] -Good luck.
Okay, wish me luck. Thanks, Alan.
***
Did anybody order a music stand?
-[chuckles] -The book tour has had me
stopping in cities all around the country,
but this is the first small book event in Salt Lake City.
Mmm!
What I love most about these book events is
meeting up with people who have similar experiences
and stories as mine and just makes me feel less isolated.
It makes me feel connected,
and it makes me feel like I've gained more than I've lost.
Um, we did oversell a bit.
-Okay, that's me. -So...
I always oversell. I sell out venues.
This is what we need to plan on in the future.
It's good, though. It's good, though.
Let me stash this.
***
[singsongy] Hi. How are you guys?
Hi! Tony, this is Lisa. He's running the event.
-Hi, Tony. -Very nice to meet you.
How are you? So nice to meet you.
Oh, it looks awesome. Oh, I love the living room setup.
-Yeah. -It's kind of a vibe, right?
Do you know I own, like, a hundred couches
if you ever need 'em. -You have a hundred couches?
Not like a hundred, but, like, a lot.
[laughs]
-Can I practice? -Yeah.
Isn't this a nice turn of events?
[amplified voice] Testing, testing.
This week has not been my favorite.
I feel like I'm in this, like, weird place with Whitney.
-I don't really talk this way... -Okay.
...with--in the home.
-Does that make sense? -Yeah. Fair.
And I don't really feel like talking to Angie
about anything that happened last week.
Don't let her set you off, Lisa.
Why are you saying this to me?
You started this whole thing with Shawn.
I'm just really wanting to have a good time with Heather.
-* I just want Lisa to love me * -[laughing]
I just wanna have a good time with the Good Time Girl.
Live like Lisa.
You'll be a great Mormon without even trying.
-Ah! -You got this.
* That's going in one ear and out the other *
[laughter]
***
-Hi! -Hi!
-You're matching the book. -Yes, my doll.
You look gorgeous. Oh, my gosh.
-Hi! -Hi!
***
[indistinct conversations]
I haven't gotten one text
or one phone call from Lisa since the Prism event.
Normally, Lisa and I talk about 80 to 100 times a day,
and now she's ignoring me,
so I know that Lisa's annoyed, and something's up.
***
Do you guys have anything without Vida?
[indistinct conversations]
I have not seen Lisa since our...
spiritual encounter at the sound bath.
-Whatever. -[mockingly] Whatever!
I feel like every time I turn around,
I get a jump scare... -[bloodcurdling scream]
...because there she ----ing is.
Thank you guys so much.
Will you make sure that people that bought seats
are getting seated and not... -That's what I--
-That's what I said, yeah. -Hey.
-Hi. Let's come back. -I am nervous now.
Let me talk to you about one thing.
I'm nervous now.
-Okay. -Did you get nervous or no?
Yes! I'm so nervous. I'm gonna get a drink.
You don't seem nervous. Here, do you want mine?
Yeah, I want one sip. Is this--
Did you see the Vida tequila drinks they made?
Yes. Thank you. Thank you.
I just wanted to fill you in
a little bit on what happened at the Prism event.
Lisa and I totally got into it, and...it got very nasty.
We were bickering back and forth, and she was like,
"Whatever, Monica. Your own mother doesn't even want you."
-You're not my mother. -Okay, Monica.
So, I don't need to listen to you.
Loving the moment.
-So... -She said that to you?
Mm-hmm.
I'm not gonna let her bully me around
or say things and not bite back.
You just nailed the problem right on the head.
Your exact words to me were, "I react rather than..."
-Yeah. -"...respond."
If you can try to give a response
rather than a reaction,
I think you'll have more success.
Yeah, that sounds healthy, so I probably won't do it.
[laughing]
So... [laughs]
-Sorry to interrupt. -Hi!
Can we get seated? We'll get started.
-Yes, absolutely. -Yes, of course.
Okay.
***
[singsongy] Surprise!
-[laughs] -[cheers and applause]
Thank you, everyone, for coming.
Heather told me about this special day,
and I'm here to give you a little rendition
of my hit single... -[cheers and applause]
..."Away in a Manger."
-[laughs] -[cheers and applause]
* Away in a manger *
* No crib for his bed *
-No! -* The little Lord Jesus *
* Lay down his sweet head *
***
Um...
Whose side are you on, Angie?
Like, you're sitting here snickering with Monica
as I'm up here supporting our friend?
This is exactly why I'm avoiding her.
Actually, you know what? I'm kind of bored with this song.
-[laughter] -Heather?
Do you need a little energy? What?!
[cheers and applause]
That song was way too good.
You need to make it a little bad.
Could I get a big "amen" for Lisa Barlow?
Whoo!
How about another one?
-[Lisa laughs] -Amen!
* Amen *
Whoo!
* Amen *
* Amen, amen *
-Come on up here, choir. -Whoo!
This is like the Salt Lake City Loco Vocals,
and we are gonna give Lisa a little beat.
Can we give Lisa a beat, choir?
[rhythmically] Boom, boom, tch, boom, boom, tch.
[rapping] * Away in SLC in her new crib in her bed *
* This bad-selling author laid down her sweet head *
* The stars in the heavens look down where she lay *
* Singing sweet dreams of this book sales *
* To this bad girl...Gay *
[cheers and applause]
Thank you so much, Lisa. Good job.
-That was awful. -Whoo!
I give Lisa a lot of credit for getting up there
and doing that.
Um... [laughs]
But I don't know that she has a future in rapping.
Um...
What the [bleep]?
Truly, like, wow.
Let me think how to word this. [laughs]
-I want my money back. -[laughs] Monica.
Guys, thank you so much for being here.
This is the culmination of an international book tour.
I'm just beyond honored to have you all here tonight.
I never imagined that I would write a book,
and I never imagined that that book
would be so well received.
I never wanted to be a bad Mormon.
I wanted to be a good Mormon.
And in fact, I wanted to be a perfect Mormon.
I'm gonna read you a little bit of my book
that'll help you understand a little bit about my story.
[cheers and applause]
"On a flight back from Norway recently,
I discovered my seat was separated from my friends.
We considered asking the young man across the aisle
to switch seats.
Before we could summon the courage,
he looked over and volunteered.
Later, as we waited in baggage claim,
I saw him reach into his pocket
and pull out a little black placard
and affix it to his shirt.
'You're a missionary?'
Immediately, he launched into an explanation.
'Yeah, we aren't allowed to wear our name tags in Amsterdam.'
He was so apologetic, worried that I might rat him out
to the authorities.
'No, no, no,' I reassured him. 'It's not about your name tag.
There was just something different about you.
And now I know what it was.'
What I really wanted to do at that moment was hug him.
I wanted to say, 'I know you because I was you,
and what you hold sacred, I held sacred.
And if one day you realize that you want
to leave all of this, you can, ad you can come find me,
and I'll still know you, and I'll help you.
I don't want you to ever think that I'm not on your side.'
Despite everything, when that missionary
put on that little black name tag,
there was no one in the airport that I wanted to talk to more."
Listening to Heather is very eye-opening
because I do see we have so many similarities.
Growing up, my mother and I always had
the missionaries in our home.
We always signed up to feed them meals,
and those are very good memories
because it kind of felt like older brothers.
It was just--It was--It...
They're very cherished memories,
and I'm very grateful for missionaries,
so I can completely relate to Heather.
I'm gonna lean down and get a selfie with everybody.
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-[camera shutter clicks] -You've arrived, folks.
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If you brought your books, I wanna sign 'em
and meet you. -[cheers and applause]
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
I'll just set up right here.
Heather, you did such a good job.
This has been like the best year of my life.
-How's it going? -I'm great.
-Thank you. -You were so good.
-Tell me your name. -Shan.
I can't believe that someone asked me to write a book.
I can't believe that people read the book.
I can't believe that people loved the book.
-Hi, sis. -I'm not gonna cry, I promise.
You can cry.
Oh, I've cried already six times today. [laughs]
And I don't want it to end. I wanna keep doing this,
and I wanna write a second book,
and I wanna write a third book, and I wanna keep exploring,
like, who I am and why I feel the way I do
and hope that it reaches other people, too.
I wanted to leave the church, but I stayed for my parents.
I get it.
I feel connected to these people,
and I feel like they are the community
that replaced the Church in my life.
I enjoyed tonight so much. Like, you did such a good job.
-Really? -Yeah. You got me emotional.
Did it help you kind of understand me a little bit more?
Yes. Yes.
There's things that you said and then I'm like,
oh, you're crying with the missionaries.
And I'm like, my son's gonna be one of them.
I know, and I feel--that's why, like, I wanna be a part of it
because I feel like I understand it,
but I'm also left out because I wrote this book.
I think I just wanna be validated that, like,
the rules do exist for some people, you know what I mean?
-And just because you're... -Okay.
...they don't directly affect you. I'm looking for validation.
If that's what you're looking for this time--
It took all this time to get to that?
Yes, I'm still trying to figure it out.
Heather, you're validated. I think if you grow up
culturally here, there's a weird set of rules that our--
my kids don't have because I don't raise them with them.
It's nice that Heather and I finally hit a place
where we can, like, just accept each other.
You're still figuring out where you are
in the journey, and there's nothing wrong with that.
You know, Heather and I have had a lot of issues,
and the one thing that has really bothered me the most
is the way she talks about Jack's mission.
What this mission means for Jack is that he gets
to go out and serve others,
that he gets to promote kindness and love,
and it's totally different than Heather's experience.
But I definitely have a different understanding
of Heather now, and I feel like for the first time,
she's realizing that, like,
there's not one way to live any religion, and specifically ours.
You make a lot of people feel good.
I need to be more open to your experience and, like,
the fact that, like, instead of just being like, it's not fair.
You can't wear strapless dresses and drink tequila.
I think it's okay to have both.
This is definitely a big breakthrough for me and Lisa.
To share this moment with her feels healing.
It feels exciting,
and it makes me really glad that she's my friend
and that she showed up for me today.
For the first time, I'm not bringing her game down.
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-Have you guys talked at all? -No.
-Oh, okay. Okay.
-I just didn't know. -No, we're just standing here.
-You didn't miss anything. -Okay. [laughs]
I'm not gonna make a big deal about this,
but I know that you were making threats,
and--and--and I don't want you to run away on me today.
I'm just gonna tell you why I'm hurt as a mother--
that you were saying
that you were threatening my family.
I'm not threatening your family.
You said it-- "I could ruin their family."
"But I'm not going to."
But you couldn't ruin my family.
Big difference.
You don't have the power to ruin my family.
-Okay, Angie. Great. -Even with words.
Yeah, I don't. You're right.
Why does this have to get so passive-aggressive?
I'm just telling you how you made me feel.
And I am very sorry that that made you feel badly
and hurt your feelings and upset you.
-Okay. Thank you. -What else would you like
for me to say to you? -Nothing else.
I mean, that's more than I'm getting than Lisa Barlow.
-So, let's move on. -I've moved on, Meredith.
Thank you. And I will move on now, too.
-Are you leaving? -Pleasure to see you.
Okay, bye.
Thank you for not running away this time.
-Ohh. -I-I don't.
I mean that. I'm glad we got through that. Thank you.
This "apology" from Meredith-- it feels shady.
It feels fake.
It feels like Meredith. [laughs]
We need more of these book tours.
-They're my favorite thing ever. -I know. They fill my soul.
-Right? They're the best. -I literally was so...
-I was so emotional, just... -I know, Georgie.
We were crying.
-I am doing this second book. -Really?
-Oh, wow! -That's so exciting.
It's gonna be-- It's gonna be a lot more
and a little bit more intense than "Bad Mormon."
But before I write it,
I just feel like I haven't checked in with you guys.
-And, like, are you on board? -Of course.
Like, are you willing to take the burrito on the car
and the SafeUT bullying reports
and, like, if it puts a target on your backs?
I think as long as it's done out of...
like, a place of healing and, like...
passion from you and not out of a place of,
"Oh, I'm trying to get back at them."
-Yeah. -If it's something you wanna do,
of course. -Just, like, telling your story,
then I think, for sure, go for it.
Having my daughters support me and give their blessing for me
to write a second book means everything to me.
Book number two together.
As a mom, it feels so rewarding to know
that you've raised children that are resilient.
-Okay. I love you guys. -I love you.
Thanks for being here. You're the best.
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I hate the way I feel right now.
I'm friends with Angie, but I'm feeling frustrated.
I'm feeling hurt. I'm feeling blindsided
because I don't understand why my friend is behaving like this.
I don't understand why I don't feel like
my friend is my friend.
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[doorbell rings]
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[doorbell rings]
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-[singsongy] Hey. -Hi. Morning.
-Good morning. What's up? -Good to see ya.
-Good to see you, too. -Love your painting.
Thank you. That one I've had forever.
I have, like, a couple new ones coming.
Hey. I grabbed us croissants from Kneaders.
-Oh, love it. -Do you want anything to eat?
-I'm always hungry. -I'll have a croissant with you.
Okay, let me see.
-Croissant. Here you go. -Thank you.
I'm gonna grab a muffin.
Do you want to sit up here, or do you wanna sit on--
No, let's sit on the sofa. How's everything going?
Just, you know, the usual. I've...
Yeah.
We haven't talked for a couple days.
Nope.
I just felt like I needed a minute...
Mmm.
...to, like, gather my thoughts.
I just felt overwhelmed after Whitney's Prism event.
Whitney's Prism event, Bobbie's birthday party.
Bobbie's birthday party, and you left upset.
Yeah, I needed a break, too.
I just didn't realize that Monica had
such big issues with me.
Look, I know you're upset.
I think you feel like I'm taking her side.
-Like, I-- -I--Wait, wait, wait.
I'm confused right now.
I did not feel like you're taking Monica's side at all.
What bothered me is you--you tell me you don't like Monica,
you don't want a relationship with Monica,
that you're not really that close with her.
-I'm not. -So, I'm like,
what is this all about then?
The optic doesn't match the conversations,
and it's confusing for me.
You're right. All of that is true.
-Yeah. -I'm not denying
that I've had those feelings. -Mm-hmm.
I'm not denying that I have said negative things about her.
But look, woman to woman, she asked for a sit-down to talk
about what happened at my house at Greek Easter.
I hate that it went so badly.
I know. I do, too.
Telling you what was being said was my way of being a friend.
-I mean that. I mean that. -Yeah. Thank you.
I'm sorry things ended the way they did.
It helps me understand you a lot better.
Things left good with us, and that's why at this point,
I'm trying to move forward with her.
See, I didn't know any of that.
And there was-- there was some resolve.
I'm gonna take full responsibility
and take accountability.
I probably have been wishy-washy along the way at times.
And maybe part of why I haven't been clear
is because am I afraid to be clear?
I'm not saying I wanna be best friends with Monica.
Why would you be afraid to be clear?
Well, I don't know if it's subconscious because, like,
when you found out that I painted birdhouses
at Heather's, you were so upset with me, Lisa.
I am literally getting triggered by this
because I'm like, this is ----ing bullsh--.
You got an apology. I have never gotten that from Heather.
I was afraid to tell you that I went to Heather's house
until after I went to Heather's house.
Your insecurities in telling me stuff is not my problem.
It is such a ----ing cop-out to say
I'm the reason you're not telling me something.
You'rethe reason you're not telling me something.
You're weak, you're afraid, and you're a liar.
I thought you're gonna think this takes away
from who I am to you as a friend.
Why would I think that? I don't think that way.
You're projecting that onto me.
I got upset because she apologized to you
for how you took a beating, and I took a beating.
-I get it. -And it was like a beating
over and over again. That's what triggered me.
It's my nature to get along with people.
So, I'm wanting to find peace with Monica.
I'm wanting to move forward with Heather,
and Lisa is hurt by both of those friendships.
It's like all stemming from, like,
her getting hurt from Angie...
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...her getting hurt from Jen.
But I'm not those people.
How do you think it feels to be me in this situation?
Like, my friends are hiding things.
Like, I'm transparent with you. I'm an open book.
I say exactly how I feel. I say exactly what I mean.
-And I support everything. -So if you're not being honest
with me, that's on you. -I would never blow up with you
if you went to someone's house, so it's easy for you
to tell me that. -That's on you
if you're not honest, so you're claiming you not--
When I tried to touch you at the bar, you pulled away.
-Oh, so you not being-- -You pulled away and said,
"Don't touch me."
Don't touch me. Don't touch me.
-[whispers] Lisa, don't do that. -Don't touch me.
I would never treat you that way, and that's why it's easy
for you to have this conversation.
Because I don't feel like you're being honest with me, Ange.
That's why I'm acting this way.
I'm just gonna move forward and keep her at a distance
but still be cordial and kind to her when I see her. That's all.
I don't want you to feel like you have to have
secrets from me. I'm never mad at you.
There are other things that have hurt me,
and I've explained that to you.
I'm still healing from some things,
and it was very triggering,
which is why I pumped the brakes with Meredith
to have this happen to you.
How you feel about not telling me things isn't me.
-It's me. -It's you.
-Yeah. -And I can't control that.
I just want more clarity
and, you know, like, consistency.
There is never a doubt in my mind that you're not my friend.
Like, you know, you can do, like, whatever with whomever,
and I'm--and it doesn't mean
you're better friends with somebody else.
I'm not 5. I don't think that way.
I don't ever want you to feel like you can't
tell me something, Ange. Like, that--
Well, and I don't wanna feel that way either.
-No, and I--but that's-- -And I think I have.
-But I think it's-- -And that's--that's on me.
Maybe I've been on eggshells a little bit
because I'm concerned about your feelings,
and that's backfired on me now because
I haven't told you things, and you're hurt, and I'm sorry.
Same.
So, we're good.
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Next time on "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City"...
We have to, like, be vigorous. Like, we've gotta, like...
It only takes six minutes.
You guys have done this for longer than six minutes.
Joining us, Whitney and Justin Rose.
Craziest place you guys ever had whoopee.
[laughs] Dear Jesus, please don't...
What if we got everybody together and went to Bermuda,
like, for your birthday?
Wait, I would die!
-You are so ugly. -...treated your mother.
She's the one that sits down and starts with me.
-Monica. -You're being crazy.
-Monica. -Opa!
Crazy.
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