Coming up on the 3-part
"Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" reunion...
Heather and Lisa, are you two Bad Leather?
Well, Good Leather.
That was the shadiest thing you've ever said.
Really? That's saying something.
- You came after my marriage. - I didn't come after anything.
Get her a----ing kennel so I can finish my comment.
- You chastised me at your house. - You just can't take criticism.
There are so many things I sweep under the rug
to make sure we're fine. No-- - Same.
Well, then say what they are right now.
Monica, you've been accused of being a troll account.
- Oh, that's not funny. - I'm not interested.
I can't anymore.
You're saying I would steal it 'cause I have less than you,
so I'm gonna steal it so I can, like--
- She didn't say you stole it. - I didn't say--
Why are you talking?!
Why are you talking, bench-warming bitch?
Shut up!
Your reaction to what the women discovered?
It was a little much, how they pushed her out.
Is there anyone that feels differently about Monica
than when you came in?
- Jen gave you the black eye? - Yeah.
Tell us how it happened.
Oh, no.
Thank you.
- Good morning. - Good morning.
I felt like I had to lie to protect her
for the fact that she gave me a black eye...
black eye.
Good morning.
For three months you have sat here with us
and not told us the truth!
The truth!
There's no dark-ass little secrets!
Clearly you're the one with the secret!
You're the one with the secret!
- Have a great day. - You, too. Thank you.
Angie, let's talk about your involvement
with Reality Von [Tea]se!
Why don't you shut...
- Good morning. - Right behind there.
Okay.
You're a----ing dumb bitch
'cause your ass just got caught
running a cyberbully account!
Running a cyberbully account!
Thank you.
There is so much more to the story,
and trust me, you're all gonna wanna hear it.
Hear it.
10 minutes, ladies.
Make your way to the stage, please.
Okay, we're going.
- You ready? - Yeah, I'm ready.
You ready?
- Hi, Meredith. - Good to see you.
Brought your purse?
I did, because I have a lot of notes.
- Okay. Hey, Lisa. - Hi!
I look like a holiday decoration.
- Yeah, you do. Hey, Angie K. - Hi, Andy.
How you doing? Hey, Whitney.
I thought I was avoiding the hot seat today.
Yeah, well, here you are. Someone's gotta do it.
There you go.
Thank you.
Hi, Monica. - Hello.
- How are we doing? - Great.
- Good to see you. - You, too.
All right, you guys ready?
In five seconds... four... three. Start your move.
Two... one. Push one. Go, Andy.
Welcome to "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City"
season four reunion.
I'm Andy Cohen, still reeling from an explosive season
and jaw-dropping finale that has left us
all feeling trapped in the Devil's Triangle.
And, I mean, this is an acid trip.
- This... - Yeah.
I don't know whether to be cold or hot.
Well, I should point out that since your finale,
which took place in Bermuda, you all, as a group,
really have not been together or spoken.
- Is that correct? - That's correct.
- Correct. - Yes.
I feel like they have been together.
I think they were together a lot.
Yeah. - Minus me.
Right. Well, that's what I'm pointing out.
We have a lot to go through tonight,
and we will get into what happened at the finale.
But before we get into the season,
I also wanna mention the Jen Shah of it all.
- Mm-hmm. - She's obviously not here.
And I wonder, how did it feel doing the show without her?
Were you... worried as a group?
- No. - I was not.
I was worried that the effect that Jen had had,
that people would want that type of level of, like,
drama and toxicity and just craziness
and that they might tune out if they didn't see it.
But we are excited for the chance
to get free of all of that.
We were excited for a chance to, like, prove ourselves,
I think, and show our friendships
without that in the mix. - We have a lot to talk about.
- Okay? - Okay. Yeah.
So, I wanna start at the beginning.
This season, new housewife Monica
stepped out of her Range Rover
and right into a snowstorm of drama.
Through it all, this newbie was never afraid
to keep it a hundred with Salt Lake City's 1%.
Take a look.
- Hi. - Hi. How are you?
- Nice to meet you. - I know. We've talked before.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
I remember meeting Monica a few years ago.
She was running an errand for Jen.
So, Jen had fired her assistant, and I stepped in to help her.
I became a witness.
with the federal government in her trial.
Morning. How are you?
As a single mom, my life consists
of running my kids everywhere.
This one likes football. This one likes gymnastics.
This one likes art. You know what I would like?
Oh, my God.
Five hours of extra sleep.
It's just so tone-deaf
to hear you talk about money and your successes.
Like, the 1% of people in the world live like you.
Skate away. Bye, 50-year-old wannabe.
- Bye-ee! - Monica, you're gonna age, too.
Bye-ee! Bye-ee!
50-year-old wannabe? She wants to be me.
She wishes she could have what I have.
That's why she carries fake Chanel.
All right.
- Do you wanna be Lisa? - No.
I thought it was really touching and honest
when you cried to your mom
about, you know, worrying about feeling left out.
- Mm-hmm. - The labels, buying the purse.
Um... why was that important for you to share?
You know, it wasn't
necessarily about the bag. - Okay.
It was about entering this group of women.
As an outsider looking in, they look flawless.
Their homes are beautiful.
They're married. Their kids are successful.
Like, you just look at it from the outside,
and you're like, what am I bringing to the table?
- Okay. - I'm a whore
that's going through a divorce, that has four kids
and lives in a 3,000-square-foot home.
- This is how I felt. - Okay.
I'm just, you know? And I think every single person
in their life at one point in time or another
has felt like... I don't belong?
Yeah. Well, I think that's why it resonated.
So, why were you so annoyed by Lisa
carrying on about the $60,000 ring?
I have to assume if you had lost a $60,000 ring...
Yeah.
...you'd be freaking out about it.
Lisa had every right to be upset...
- Mm-hmm. - ...about losing her ring.
What I didn't like was that it was,
$60,000, $60,000, $60,000, $60,000, $60,000.
I only said the price three times.
And so the thing for me, it was,
everybody processes things differently,
and for me, losing that, it's a big deal.
Henry almost died...
after I had him,
and John gave me that ring because I was like,
I don't know if we're gonna be able to have more kids.
I don't know if we're gonna have another kid.
That meant more than just a ring that I wear in my finger.
Every time I look at it,
it's like, we have our two beautiful babies,
and, like, it was so awesome.
But see, that is beautiful. I didn't know that.
It was no one's business. I didn't even wanna say that.
- But I'm just saying. - I was just stressed about it
because it's--to me, it's a symbol. To me, it's a symbol.
I thought you said he had just bought that for you.
I thought at the airport you said he just bought that.
No, he did not just buy that for me. These--
- She said it was sentimental. - I said it was sentimental.
No, I'm really upset. It's sentimental.
- It's from John, so I'm upset. - Yeah, it's a big deal.
I'm so sorry.
I get rings for different things at different times.
That one was special to me,
and that one was not something we had just gotten.
These are ones I just got.
That is not one, and it was sentimental.
You can ask John if you don't believe me or that even...
I'm not saying I don't believe you, but at the--
...bothering you that I would say that, but just saying--
- I just-- - But at the airport,
that's not what you told me. That's all I'm saying.
I did not say that. I did not say that. I said I--
- Okay, okay. - I did not say that.
I'm not gonna fight you on this.
I did not say that. - He just asked
what was bothering me, and it was just this,
60, 60, 60, 60. - And I was highly stressed,
so for me, it's more than just the ring.
It's like saying, like, oh, that's upsetting to me.
Because I lost a ring, and I'm upset about it
it doesn't mean I'm not relatable to the middle class.
It doesn't mean I think I'm part of the 1%.
It doesn't mean I think I'm better.
Well, you're right about that. I wasn't correct.
You're definitely not the 1%. You're right.
So, I get you're--you're trying to dig me now, so okay. Okay.
I'm not! I actually did research...
- Okay. - ...on what I said.
1% is like Shaquille O'Neill. No, I'm serious!
- 1%'s a pretty broad... - Yeah, I know. I mean, I'm...
I'm just saying that you are very rich.
- I'm saying I spoke incorrectly. - Listen, Monica, Monica,
the bottom line is... - I insulted you incorrectly.
- You never found it? - Never found it.
- The ring is gone.
- There were--
Where do you think the rumors started that you took the ring?
I mean, I think it started over there.
It did not start over with me. I didn't start it.
Okay. - No, really,
who do you think started that rumor that you stole the ring?
Who do you think started it? 'Cause it wasn't me.
- It wasn't me. - That's what I--
And so many people--
You thought Lisa started that rumor.
I thought Lisa and Heather.
No, that's wrong. You're totally wrong.
Let me ask you this.
Why didn't you go online when you saw all the rumors
and say, "I do not think Monica stole that"?
I don't think I need to do that.
- Oh. - I don't think
that's my job to do that. - By the way, I will say this.
I didn't think that's my job to do it.
- Exactly! Thank you! - I didn't say it out loud.
Thank you! You just admitted it.
And I didn't say it out loud. I don't need to defend
something that's not my-- - You know, Monica, there are
people that, like, watch your behavior and were like--
I would have asked that the next time you're on
"Watch What Happens Live" if they thought you stole the ring.
Watch my behavior?
- No, there are people-- - You think I would steal
a $60,000 ring from you? - I--
It's $58,000, just to be clear. I have a new one.
It doesn't feel the same. I don't think of it the same.
It looks good, but I liked my other one,
and I want my other one.
Why are you looking at me when you say that?
- I don't have your ring. - I'm not saying--
I'm looking over here because guess what? You are right here.
Let me make this is really clear, 'cause this is
actually really damaging, and actually it's easy.
It's stereotypical, and it's tired.
What's stereotypical?
To accuse me. Go ahead, laugh it up, Angie.
Wait, but why would that be stereotypical?
Speaking of easy, stereotypical big mouth.
Laugh it up.
Wait, why would it be stereotypical?
- I did not steal your ring. - Okay, but wait,
why would it be stereotypical? - Because you're saying, like,
I would steal it 'cause I have less than you,
so I'm gonna steal it so I can, like--
- No, I didn't-- - She didn't say you stole it.
Why are you talking?!
Why are you talking, bench-warming bitch? Shut up!
- Bitch? - Yes!
Really? You're so classy, Monica.
Stop talking. I'm not-- This doesn't even involve you,
just like most of the season.
She didn't say you stole it.
- Why are you talking?! - Why are you talking? You--
Why are you talking, bench-warming bitch?
- Shut up! - Bitch?
- Yes. - Really?
- Stop talking. - You're so classy, Monica.
I'm, like, this doesn't even involve you,
just like most things this season.
Monica, do we ever make you feel bad
and say you had less than us? Never. Never.
Oh, really? But she talked about me from the beginning
of it to the end.
I never took your ring.
I didn't even go into that bathroom
until, like, 20, 30 minutes after you had lost your ring.
We learned early on about your connection with Jen Shaw.
Were you two close friends,
or how would you describe your relationship?
I would describe it as we were friends first,
and then I was "working" for her,
and then... enemies, I guess?
So, what did you specifically do for her?
What was your job description?
She needed help at the time with... honestly, her life.
Like, now, looking back and knowing everything,
I'm like, okay, I get it. Like...
I almost felt like I was just more of a friend,
like, the stuff I would do for her.
Like, I would go and get her groceries.
I would make sure that she was on time
to her freaking meetings and whatever.
Was this--Was she filming the show at this point?
Um... I think you guys filmed season one.
Okay. Was she paying you?
No.
So, you were taking time away from your kids
for a job that didn't pay?
Yeah. Why were you doing it?
- Why? - Why?
Yeah. - Honestly, she was my friend.
She needed help. It didn't start like that.
We were friends first, and I was like,
"I can help you until you need somebody."
- So, you didn't have, like... - I had a husband
home at the time. - ..."Kim K. started out
as assistant, and look where it got her,
and I'll start out as an assistant
and see where it gets me"?
Um, no.
I actually--I mean, I would like you to hear something, Monica,
that you said, 'cause I think--
I would love for you to read that, Heather.
It's just--just for a little bit of clarity.
Oh, it's-- it's an audio recording.
ing Kim Kardashian
was a----ing assistant, and look at that bitch now.
Yeah.
Uh, I can fully admit
that the whole reason why I was an assistant
and putting up with that sh-- was as a stepping stone,
as a learning experience.
So, that proves what,
that she was doing it to get on the show?
Were you being her assistant to get on the show?
I didn't think I would ever end up on the show, honestly.
But why wouldn't I try to get on the show?
- I applied like everybody else. - I just--I was just clarifying
that I don't think you were her friend helping her.
- I think that you had an agenda. - I was her friend, Heather.
- Well, you had an agenda. - I didn't.
When I met her, I didn't even know she was on the show.
As this... situation went on with her,
are you comfortable saying, yeah, that you thought,
"Oh, well, maybe I'll get on the show as a result of it"?
Honestly, when I applied to get on the show,
I applied just like everybody else.
- How did--How did you apply? - I didn't apply...
I didn't apply. I, like, helped bring the show to Utah,
so I didn't apply.
Okay, well, everyone else that has to apply now.
- How? How did you apply now? - Okay. You talked to casting.
I emailed the email for casting like everyone else.
And said what?
I said, "My name is Monica Fowler,
and your show sucks and your ratings are sh--,
and it's gonna get canceled
because you don't have the right cast."
Wow. Wow.
Did it suck, and the ratings sucked?
That's what I said. I'm being honest.
Wow. - That's what I said.
A lot of viewers had questions about your friend
at the Secret Service
telling you that there was an active case against Jen.
Since that doesn't seem like inform--
- That's not what he said. - Okay. What--What was it?
He did not say there was an active case.
Okay.
He said, "Get away from Jen Shah.
She's going to prison."
And then how did you go from there
to becoming an informant against her?
Um, I talked to the federal investigators.
Did you reach out to them?
- I did, yes. - And said?
I said, "I have information about your case."
I think that I did the right thing.
And I think that everyone here
probably should have done the right thing, too.
We got a lot of questions from people wanting to know
how the affair with your brother-in-law started.
Okay, first of all, I need to start by saying that
that happened over a decade ago.
- Okay. - And...
as far as everybody here, especially Heather,
have had very deep conversations about that
and how painful that was for me,
and you guys were actually wonderful.
It wasn't about bragging or not taking accountability.
Okay.
I don't think taking accountability means
self-shame and self-hating for the rest of my life.
- Yeah. - I was excommunicated.
I bore the scarlet letter. I still do. I was re-baptized.
I went through the whole re-baptism process
in the Church.
She cried when she told me about being excommunicated,
and we talked about how unfair the process is
and how she had come back. - It really was.
And to get re-baptized in the Mormon Church is a big deal.
You have to take the missionary discussions.
All over. Wow.
You have to go through the interview process.
You have to get special high upper permissions,
and then to get remarried. It was a--It was--
Your friend said you read the Bible every day.
Wow.
Are you still in touch with the former brother-in-law?
No.
Are he and his brother estranged?
So, it's brother-in-law, so it's not Mike's...
- Oh, right, right. Okay. - ...like, actual brother.
Okay, got it. Oh, so it's like...
- That's an important detail. - I mean, it's not.
- I think it is. - It was still very sh--ty.
Well, I mean, it was, but a little less sh--ty, maybe.
- Mm. - I mean...
- Yeah. - Give yourself some grace.
Maybe a little less inbred. Was it?
It was--honestly, everyone is hearing about it
for the first time, which is crazy,
'cause I'm, like, reliving it.
Like, I'm constantly being called a whore, um, online
and in my comments are nasty. Like, na-- Like, it's wild.
- Relating to this? - Uh, my brother-in-law,
the situation. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
it hits different when the Internet comes after you,
and trolls come after you with nasty things,
because I, too, admitted that I've had an affair
and, um, been called every name in the book,
and you think you're over it, and then you get on a show,
and Instagram takes off, and trolls come in. It's hard.
The comments really hurt.
Mark. Two... one.
Welcome back. Well, the Salt Lake City women
vowed to start the year with fresh powder and fresh starts,
but it didn't take long for this crew
to draw their lines in the snow,
landing several friendships in hot water--
bathwater, to be exact.
- Take a look. - Oh.
Whitney, I don't believe that you own the things you say.
Because we left New York,
I thought we were in a neutral, peaceful zone,
and the next thing I'm seeing is that
Whitney did an interview in the press.
She said...
"It creeps me out
to get in a bubble bath with someone else."
That was a funny joke, Meredith. I'm sorry that offended you.
We don't wanna lose brain cells over this.
Save your brain cells.
There are things that are going on
that are a lot----ing deeper than this nonsense.
There are children who are going to be disabled
for the rest of their lives. Peace out.
Whenever Meredith's put on the spot, this is what she does.
She pulls in some big thing that she's going through.
So, it's someone's, um, sister-in-law's
grandson's 3-year-old,
and it's a headache, and it's this and that.
Like, when is it really about--
Don't you go there. You take a sick child who will
suffer for the rest of his life to weaponize against me?!
- We have sick children. - Don't you dare!
Over the last few years,
we've had trouble.
I want progression, especially with friendships.
There's room always for growth.
With Meredith, I'm not gonna go backwards.
I'm gonna look forward.
Oh, my gosh. Heather's calling me right now.
Heather.
What's up, Lisa Barlow?
I'm with my bestie! Um...
You two little peas in a pod.
Did you hear the news?
I am so sorry for your loss.
I got you. I got you.
I'm sorry. How are you?
Hey, guys.
- Hi! - Oh, my gosh!
You brought more presents? Okay.
Everything's about you.
No, it's not. No, it's not.
And I think that you can-- I'm so sorry for your loss.
It is, Lisa!
- And I'm always there for you. - No, I'm so sorry--
- Always there for you. - No, no, no, listen.
Always there for you,
and I just needed you... - I'm so sorry for your loss.
...for one minute to be there for me.
this. [bleep] this.
I want to, like, forge a new path as friends.
Well... it's gonna be hard for me
to trust you that you really wanna be my friend.
I guess you had a conversation with Heather
where I'm self-absorbed
and you're helping me be a better person?
When I was talking to Whitney, she said
she's, like, helping you be intuitive and healing.
What the [bleep] is that?
Why are you meddling in my friendship with Lisa?
I'm not! How is that meddling? But listen--
- She's spinning this because... - I'm not spinning!
...what she'll be doing is attacking and being like...
- Why are you meddling? - ...word for word.
Heather, shut the [bleep] up.
All right. Um...
- There's a lot. - There's a lot. Wow.
Well, we started off the season
with our two best friend duos back in action.
Um, Meredith and Lisa, where do you two stand today?
Well, we've had a few bumps along the road for sure,
but we have gotten back to a much better place.
Much better place. I feel like we're building a new friendship.
- I feel like... - Yes.
...we went through so much, like, it's too hard
to go back there, and it's like starting over.
So, Heather and Whitney, where are you today?
It was easy to get back to, like, true love, you know,
but there's still stuff we're working through...
constantly.
Yeah, there's many trust issues still.
I think it's-- it's the same thing.
Our relationship-- it just looks different now.
Yeah. Meredith, Whitney called you out
for your extraneous excuses.
Watching the show back,
did it make you see it from Whitney's point of view
that when you're backed in a corner, you tend to deflect,
or you think it's an unfair... - Actually, quite the opposite.
- Okay. - Everybody here
has their own things they go through.
Whitney lost a friend, and, you know,
uh, that's obviously horrible and very sad.
And when Lisa approached you,
you said, "I'm sorry. I can't talk about this right now."
Lisa cried about her makeup, and I respected that.
- I respect people's feelings. - In--In the moment.
And I feel that mine are not given the same respect.
The rap on you is that you only bring it up
when you're confronted, that they don't know about it.
In other words, you'll be in the middle of a fight,
and you'll say,
"Well,...'X' is happening or 'Y' is happening."
- So, I can answer that. - Yeah, and I had no idea
that you're going through that with your friend.
With my friend, I found out that morning.
I was extremely upset,
so I kept trying to push it away and push it away,
and I finally just reached a breaking point. I'm human.
And so, yes, that's why it came out at that moment.
I was trying to, like, not deal with it.
Do you see, though, how it can be perceived that way?
I hear what you're saying. I totally hear you,
but you--yeah. - Yes, I do see how it could be
perceived that way because most of the women in this group
don't care enough to bother asking me.
But we do-- I-I personally do care.
Well, I feel like--
That's why I had the conversation with you.
I see both sides in this, too, because I feel like
in some situations, I'm like Meredith,
where I'm trying to do my best, and it's not being appreciated.
So, in that regard, I see Meredith's side,
but I also see, like, how sometimes
it can look like an excuse, so I see both sides.
And I think now that we know that, like, for you,
this is important, you know, that you're like, "Hear me.
Let's talk about it." Yeah.
"We can revisit it at another time.
I'm not equipped to deal with it right now,
or it's gonna get ugly"-- I think that's fair.
But, like, you see both sides, too, right?
You just have to see the perception.
- We're hearing you. - That's fine.
You can perceive as you want.
But the reality is, I don't need an excuse.
You've all seen me in a multitude of situations
where it's too heated.
I know it's not gonna get to a positive outcome,
- And you said you disengage. - So, I'm disengaging.
- Yeah. - I don't need an excuse.
Thank you. I'm disengaging. I am not engaging.
Are you serious?!
ing family...
Disengage, sweetie! Goodbye! Oh, my God!
I have no problem walking out on my own two feet with no excuse,
and you've seen it a hundred times.
- Mm-hmm. - So, to put it on me like
I'm making up excuses and to trivialize things
that were hurting me is just-- it's not nice.
I think you're more sensitive than everyone thinks.
Well, I don't think that's what we were--Yeah, but I don't--
Ice--Ice Queen has a heart, and we learned that this season.
Meredith, putting it back on you wasn't to hurt you.
But bringing it up, it was to say,
Meredith, do you see what I'm seeing?
And, Whitney, I think the same can be said for you, too.
Like, everybody processes things in a different way.
Like, when you lost your friend Shari,
I didn't know how to handle it. I do know that I hugged you
as soon as I gave Heather all of her things.
And I asked you, "Are you okay?"
And you said you didn't wanna talk about it right now.
- This is, like, what we've-- - Look how far we've come.
- This is what you could've had. - Look, she's gifting me.
How are you, by the way?
The things that she vowed never to share.
- And you put 'em in any hoodie. - Are you doing okay?
- I know. So sad.
I mean, no, but... I'm here.
It feels like surreal, right? Like, I have chills.
- What are those, Heather? - Are you okay? Like...
They're hoodies, but they're like...
- No? - No, but I'm strong.
- Okay. - Yeah.
I handed her the gifts. I gave you a hug,
and I asked you how you're doing.
And in fact, in Bermuda, you said,
"You asked me how I was doing too many times.
That's what upset me. That's what triggered me."
I can tell you our complete conversation.
- So can I. - You said, "I'm strong,"
and so I was like, do I back off?
And you said, "I don't wanna talk about it. I'm okay."
You kept saying, "Are you okay? Are you okay? Are you okay?"
I did. I kept checking on you!
And that was, like, antagonizing me to not be okay.
That's--But then if I don't say that,
then I'm not checking in on you, so I'm in a zero win situation.
And you were also clearly triggered by the fact that...
- No. - ...I had gifts to give her,
like, from her book signing. - No, no, no, no.
- The truth of it is-- - Whitney, I am not wrong.
I am not wrong. I was dancing on eggshells with you.
And I care about you.
And my intention was not to hurt you or to be dismissive of you
or to not be-- - Do you see how--
Do you see how it looked from my perspective?
I saw how it was--I saw how it looked on the show,
and I know how I experienced it because I am very aware of how--
But do you know how it looks from my perspective?
I was talking to you and Angie exclusively
the days leading it up. - And did I give you any sign
the days leading up that I was not a friend to you
and that I was not attentive to you and that I didn't care?
Yeah, after I called you out at my house,
you started creating distance. - No.
No, that is absolutely not true.
- It is absolutely true. - After you called me out
at your house, you chastised me at your house.
- I did not chastise you. - It wasn't even a call out.
You chastised me over and over again.
You just can't take criticism. "Do you need to leave.
Do you need a break?" - You take everything
as a personal attack. -"Are you okay?"
No, I'm not okay. Because I've given you grace.
Like, there are so many things I sweep under the rug
to make sure we're fine.
- Same. - No, I don't see it.
No. Well, then say what they are right now.
There are so many things
I sweep under the rug to make sure we're fine.
- Same. - No, I don't see--
No, well, then say what they are right now.
- Let's air it all out. - It's this.
I can't ever have a conversation with you.
- Okay, we're not gonna-- - No, because you're telling me--
Okay. - You're telling me what happened
when it's on camera. I gave her the stuff,
and as soon as my arms were free, I hugged you
and said to you, "Are you okay?"
And you said you don't wanna talk about it.
You gave off the vibe
that, like, nothing I was gonna do was gonna be okay.
- Oh, my God. - It was--
I was just irritated that I had seen you going around the room.
I mean, I think for all of us, we all have different history,
we have different experiences.
And if someone says they're hurting,
if someone says something was traumatizing or upsetting,
perhaps the thing to do is to respect that.
And if you--if you don't understand it, ask questions.
Okay. Andy from Beverly Hills said,
"Angie, why were you so quick to forgive Monica
when she was the one spreading the gay rumors
about your husband that literally made him cry,
especially since your daughter's gonna see this in the future?"
Yeah, I think at the time I was really confused because Monica
continued to say, "She's saying this, she's saying that,"
so in the moment, I was really focused
on Meredith being the one. - Right.
And when I went to the dessert shop, Monica really cried,
and you know, I'm a very empathetic person.
I felt sorry for her situation with her mom.
I think I gave her a lot of grace.
So, I went backwards and put it back on Meredith,
and that's also why Lisa was hurt because--
- Oh, I was very hurt. - Hold on.
- Okay. - Let me finish, baby gorgeous.
Because I think
we both really knew where it was stemming from,
but I gave her the benefit of the doubt, and I was wrong.
Is that still from--
I did. I did. What are you laughing at?
I'm laughing because you keep phrasing it
as if I started this rumor. All I did was tell you.
You--You started it on national television.
- I didn't start it. - You doubled-down on it.
You brought it out on national television.
Yes, I said that. I said I repeated it.
But you waited for the cameras.
She also told you I didn't say it to her,
and you believed her instead of me.
Yeah. Yeah. I think the bottom line is,
in hindsight, I regret that I really bought
and fell for everything Monica was saying.
She's lied a lot today.
She's lied a lot, you know, last season.
- Oh, my God. - So, I've learned my lesson.
But in the moment I felt sorry for her,
and I really felt like she cared about me as a friend,
and she never was, so Andy's right.
Estezo from Southern California said, "Angie, how did you feel
about Lisa calling you weak and a liar?"
I hated it. It hurt my feelings because Lisa knows
that I'm not weak. She's seen me address
and confront some really tough situations.
Um, I think Lisa also knows that I'm not a liar.
I've been very forthright as a friend. I'm a loyal friend.
And I think it really takes a lot more strength
to hold your composure, to stay quiet and patient
and loving and kind to a friend,
knowing that they may not have the best response.
- Why did you call her a liar? - I think that for me,
I think for me, why I said that is I felt really hurt.
I feel like I look extremely stupid arguing with her
because I had no idea you guys made up.
I had no idea on Greek Easter that she told you
Meredith was not the start of the rumor.
She said, "It wasn't Meredith. It was me."
So, I'm going in there, thinking I'm a loyal friend,
and I'm being beyond authentic.
And you weren't in the middle of me and Monica,
because I said to you, "If you're good with Monica,
then I really shouldn't have a beef with Monica"
because my whole thing is being loyal to you
and saying what you said about Shawn was wrong,
and I will stand by that every single day.
I think it's a lie, and I think it was wrong.
I don't think you should have ever said it
because we all know it's not true.
And and are we friends? Yes. Was I hurt really badly?
Absolutely. Because I'm like, how are you in the middle?
- I'm taking your side. - Yeah. Okay.
I am taking your side.
And--And I can see why Lisa felt this way.
But the bottom line is, you know, I was very hurt
that you were that quick to say I was weak and I was a liar,
because you know I'm not any of that. Okay?
Well, in the moment, you were lying to me
because you were withholding things.
And I was--And I watched--
You were withholding information.
- Lying by omission. - Yeah.
I watched our conversation. I took accountability.
I said there were things I would do different moving forward.
I was acknowledging everything
I could have done different to grow as a human.
Lisa, I felt the conversation was very one-sided.
You didn't really do a lot of self-reflecting in the moment.
No, because you were saying you were playing both sides.
- I know, and I admitted that. - You were not being
Monica's friend, and you weren't being my friend.
I admitted that I wasn't being forthright.
Yeah, or mine. And that's how I felt.
I just wanna say, the not sharing with Lisa what Monica
told you about me had a massive, massive impact
on my relationship with Lisa.
She saw it the way she watched it.
- Oh, you mean in real time. - I watched the show--
- Got it, got it, got it. - In real time.
Whitney, do you stand by your statement that
Lisa lacks self-awareness... - Yes.
...and makes every situation about herself?
- I think that from... - Yes.
- Well, yes. - No, I do not.
Okay. - Do I get to defend myself?
Shut up, honestly. But you have already.
No, I don't get to defend myself.
But I-I hate when my intentions are so misinterpreted.
It's like I just speak a different language,
and I think it's like... - No, I think that--
- ...East Coast/West Coast. - I think that
It's actually when you ignore us after a confrontation.
Like, after a confrontation happens,
you don't respond to text, you start, like, creating distance,
that's when it becomes very difficult.
- I do do that. - Because... yes.
I do do that because I would rather take a step back
because, like I told you, I'm a----ing bulldog.
But you have to say you're doing it.
- And I will come hard. - Ugh.
But as your friend, can you just say, "I need space.
I'll talk when I'm ready"?
- Yeah, I can do that. - Instead of just ghosting.
Okay. - It's not a problem.
- Whitney, do you really think
you're solely responsible for Lisa's growth as a person?
No.
Lisa at dinner on the first night.
In had nothing to do with that.
What did Whitney mean when she said
no one at the table would understand your friendship?
I think the biggest point she was trying to make
is it's a real friendship,
and that's why even when Heather asked me if you're friends.
Yeah, we're friends, and I'm like--
Yeah. Every time I asked her, she's like,
"I love Whitney. We are real friends," and I was like...
Yeah, we've built a real relationship.
So, Heather and Lisa, are you two Bad Leather?
Well, Good Leather.
Good Leather. That might...
You're Good Leather. Good Leather.
That was the shadiest thing you've ever said.
Really? That's saying something.
Oh, my God.
- Everybody's feeding... - All right, let's do this.
30 seconds.
Heather, did anyone bring you an espresso martini?
You did not bring one in, but I-I probably could eat.
- Does anyone-- - Can we all have one?
That would be so amazing.
I have one sitting in my drink holder.
- No, I want one. - I had two sips and then I left
because we-- - No, that would heat us up.
I should have brought it down here. I didn't think about it.
Three... two...
Segment two. Ready one. Segment one.
Welcome back.
Well, when it comes to the marriages in this group,
Meredith and Seth weren't the only ones
hanging by a thread.
The most scandalous marital drama this season
was the accusation that behind Angie's giant sunglasses,
she was hiding...
rumors and nastiness...
about her family. Watch.
What the frick's the rumor with Angie K.?
If I wanna go for the jugular and talk about this sh--...
I can go there.
Do you know what the rumor is?
The rumor is that Shawn likes to [bleep] other men.
Gay, straight, whatever.
It's the adultery part of it that's bad.
Elektra's gonna hear about this,
and it kills me to think that she would ever think
that I would do something like this.
Whitney, at what point did Justin
stop wearing his wedding ring, and why?
You know, it was never really about the wedding ring itself.
It was more about the pressure I was feeling
of the change in our dynamic, because I actually feel bad.
The wedding ring stopped fitting him.
- Okay. - And I wasn't made aware of that
until he showed me
that it physically was uncomfortable for him.
And, you know,
my man is a big man. - Yeah.
After that moment, he started wearing it on his necklace.
- How are the two of you doing? - We're doing much better.
Much better. I think that-- we've been married for 14 years.
14 years is a long time. Ups and downs.
And if you look at everything that I've brought,
just in my own trauma into the marriage,
it's--Justin is an incredible human being.
He's a saint. - He's a good guy.
And therapy's helped a lot.
Um, it was sad seeing Shawn...
get emotional about the cheating allegations.
How are you, Shawn, and Elektra doing after all this has aired?
Doing great. Um, I think, you know, the big thing is
you know, there's a couple weeks in there
where you're hearing about it on the internet,
you're hearing about it in your business
because, you know, someone felt like they should drop that
on national television.
You had never heard this rumor before?
No, and I'm gonna be really clear
'cause I feel like there was a lot of confusion.
30 years ago when Shawn and I first met,
people would say, "Ooh, that guy's hot,"
or "He has nice legs" while he's doing hair.
"Is he gay?" "No, that's his wife over there."
Once it was established that we were a couple
in Salt Lake City, it wasn't brought up, right?
So, to have this suddenly, 30 years later,
that there's men bragging about the sex,
Shawn----s men, this has never come up
until this rat came out of the sewer, and here it is.
Ha ha. Um...
Don't act like it's a first you've been called a rat,
Monica, and don't-- - It's not!
- That's why I'm laughing. - It's not funny.
You should come up with something else.
And I was not mean to you at all during filming.
You were mean. - You were mean.
- No, I wasn't. - You were mean.
- I was not mean to you, Angie. - You were mean.
You backstabbed me right in front of my face.
How is that different than you telling her
she lays on her back and spreads her legs, but I'm evil?
- Don't talk about my marriage. - Don't touch me.
- Run away, Meredith! - I don't speak to people
who treat me with disrespect! - The only one that spreads
their legs outside their marriage is you.
Not me, honey. Not me.
Meredith didn't pretend to be my friend.
- I'm evil? I'm evil? - That's the difference.
You pretended to be my friend.
Meredith, you never elaborated on...
the rumors and nastiness...
...in Angie's marriage,
but you did dangle that carrot first in front of Lisa
at the restaurant and then to Whitney at the airport.
What was your motivation in doing so
if not to get one of them to say the rumor on camera?
Well, first of all, I didn't say it was for marriage, and--
You said, "Do you want me to talk about the husband?"
- Yes. That's what I said. - And the family.
- Well, that's kind of implying-- - I actually have the exact words
if we would like to go back to it, that's fine.
- Okay. - What I said exactly.
- Okay. -"If I want to go
for the jugular and talk about that--this sh--,
the rumors, the nastiness, we can do that. You know what?
You want me to go there with her... [emphasis] husband?"
"I can go there.
Don't [bleep] with me. Tell her to [bleep] off."
Okay. Well, that seems like you're dangling a rumor
about a husband. - Correct.
I didn't say in their marriage, though, did I?
- That's semantics. - So... I don't know.
What is the difference?
The difference is there could be rumors pertaining to her husband
that have nothing to do with their marriage.
Or rumors about Angie. Okay. Okay, so let's--
There are rumors about everyone.
Okay, fine. Okay. - Let's make that clear.
- It's not that deep. - Let's go more globally
and say you dangled the rumors in front of Lisa and Whitney.
So, were you doing it in order to get someone else
to bring them up on camera?
- No. - Okay.
In front of Lisa, I was having a reaction to Angie's behavior
towards me... At the table.
...after I'd been heavily provoked,
had a couple of drinks... - Yes.
...and had some other very heavy things on my mind.
- That was out of anger. - Well, no, I told you--
I didn't even believe what I had heard.
Hold on, hold on. Angie, I wanna know what you think.
Based on what Monica repeated, you were threatening rumors
that were about my husband's sexuality.
It's not right to do this to people with families,
with small children, with businesses.
I am a pillar in the community in Salt Lake City,
and I have always had a really incredible reputation.
Because we don't have footage of you--
At the minimum, you called me a fraud.
I have multiple personality disorder.
I'm a lying bitch. You criticized my marriage.
You criticized my business.
You threatened to take a hit on my family.
You called me a trampoline with eyes...
- That was a compliment. - ...an addict,
that I've used my son as a pawn to take the heat off me
for rumors that I did not spread,
that I was going to get fired. - Okay, I can't keep up.
- Let's do this one by one. - So, that's why I started rumors
about you, that you made me relevant,
and you threatened me in the cave,
- Well, okay-- - And those are just a few
I could think of off the top of my head.
Okay, okay. This is great. I do think I activated you.
I have multiple personality disorder.
I'm a lying bitch. You criticized my marriage.
Called me a trampoline with eyes...
Okay, I can't keep up. Let's do this one by one.
...that I'm going to get fired,
so that's why I started rumors about you,
that you made me relevant,
and you threatened me in the cave.
- Okay. - And those are just a few
I could think of off the top of my head.
Okay, okay. This is great. I do think I activated you.
And you're welcome. Hey.
Oh, no. Angie's being funny.
I don't know what to say about that. Um...
I didn't need your help, Angie. I've done pretty fine being
relevant on my own without you. - I didn't say you had multiple--
Look, I didn't say you had multiple personality disorder.
- Oh, you did. - Your voice was changing.
It's in the press. You did.
I don't really truly believe that.
- Well, you said it. - It was a joke about you having
multiple different voices. She told me
you were--your intention was not to do that.
And I would rather call you a trampoline with eyes--
that means you have nice, tight skin--
than say that you're wrinkly,
so I would take that as a compliment.
Um, Angie, you screamed, "The only one who spreads
their legs outside their marriage is you."
What exactly were you referring to?
Um, Meredith, I'm gonna be honest.
Uh, basically, I was told that you and your husband
were seeing other people, and that's why that came out.
I'm sorry that I said that.
It was basically in response to rumors.
I think it's really sad
for women to poke and prod at another woman
for being honest about marital problems
and to try to weaponize that against her at a later date
when they're really happy.
I think--I think it's just sh--ty.
- I-I agree with that. - But, Meredith, when you
bring up other marriages-- - I agree 100%.
I never brought up your marriage, Angie.
...marriage, and then you said things that my--
I did not talk about your marriage.
So, it just naturally comes back down. That's how this works.
You say one thing, someone else brings up another.
It's like, oh, really? You're saying this?
Well, guess what you said a year ago?
Okay, so don't you wanna do better rather than doing worse?
So, we should stay silent when you threaten our marriage?
If I wanna--if I wanna one up everything you said about me...
No. No. No.
...it will go south really fast. I don't want to.
I wanna be a better person for me.
Okay. - Okay. So if I say something,
you're gonna sit there and stay silent? That's what happens.
- We all do this... - I pretty much did
until I lost my temper. - It's a back and forth.
All right. Ira Madison III tweeted,
"Whitney definitely used Monica to be the one
to bring the rumor up on camera in her villain era.
Whitney, how do you respond to that?"
It's--It's absolutely not true.
One, this is a very tricky situation because
I never knew about the rumors. I did not know what they were.
The first time I heard about the rumor was
when Lisa came into my room in Palm Springs and said,
"Meredith said this about Angie's family."
She's like, "I know stuff about their family."
And I'm like, not this again. Oh, my God.
First of all, I just want to start by saying
I don't blame Whitney for what comes out of my mouth.
Like, I say what I wanna say. Okay.
So, I don't want her to get blamed for that.
Thank you for that, Monica.
I-I just want to say that Monica was determined
for this to come out about me, this...
- No, I wasn't. - ...this alleged story,
Because she went around to everyone in this group
and said there were rumors about me
in the first week of filming, when I thought
that we were friends.
She was determined to come on national television.
I literally did not ever tell Whitney that rumor.
I'm talking! Keep your big mouth shut. This is my marriage.
This is my moment.
You have no respect for love and marriage.
This is your moment. You're right.
- You finally made it. - So you need to zip it.
Finally made it four seasons later.
- I made it? - Yep.
Bitch, I deserve to be here.
Your----ing Range Rover under a----ing carport.
- You're irresponsible. - Are you insane?
And you're sending a bad message to your daughters.
Keep my----ing kids out of your----ing mouth.
off, bitch. You talked about mine.
- You----ing... - off.
Next week it's part two
of "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" reunion.
Jack Barlow was recently seen in California.
- Did he not go to Colombia? - He bounced on his mission.
He's not going.
You relentlessly came after me
for supporting Jack in the mission,
and you called me a hypocrite over it.
Lisa accused you of stalking Jen's house.
You're a mother with four kids and single!
Why are you driving by Jen Shah's house?!
- I never----ing did that sh--! - Sit. Sit.
You sit!
Lisa and Angie are relentless with me.
That's unacceptable.
Did you feel that you needed Mary back
this season to help out?
There was some comedic relief in there that was good.
Angie, this is your first year. Why are you even answering?
Heather, shut the [bleep] up.
- Your hair girl... - She's--Wow.
- ...is Reality Von Tea[se]. - It's six people.
- You're Reality Von [Tea]se. - It's six people, Lisa.
- It's not. - And you don't know what
you're talk-- Are you serious?!