1 00:00:03,128 --> 00:00:03,878 ANDY: Coming up on the 3-part 2 00:00:05,213 --> 00:00:06,673 "Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" reunion... 3 00:00:06,715 --> 00:00:10,051 Heather and Lisa, are you two Bad Leather? 4 00:00:10,093 --> 00:00:12,178 -[laughs] -Well, Good Leather. 5 00:00:12,220 --> 00:00:14,264 That was the shadiest thing you've ever said. 6 00:00:14,305 --> 00:00:16,933 Really? That's saying something. 7 00:00:16,975 --> 00:00:19,269 -You came after my marriage. -I didn't come after anything. 8 00:00:19,310 --> 00:00:22,480 Get her a fucking kennel so I can finish my comment. 9 00:00:22,522 --> 00:00:25,525 -You chastised me at your house. -You just can't take criticism. 10 00:00:25,567 --> 00:00:27,736 There are so many things I sweep under the rug 11 00:00:27,777 --> 00:00:29,529 to make sure we're fine. No-- -Same. 12 00:00:29,571 --> 00:00:32,866 Well, then say what they are right now. 13 00:00:32,907 --> 00:00:37,162 Monica, you've been accused of being a troll account. 14 00:00:37,203 --> 00:00:39,706 -Oh, that's not funny. -I'm not interested. 15 00:00:39,748 --> 00:00:41,249 I can't anymore. 16 00:00:41,291 --> 00:00:43,335 You're saying I would steal it 'cause I have less than you, 17 00:00:43,376 --> 00:00:44,669 so I'm gonna steal it so I can, like-- 18 00:00:44,711 --> 00:00:45,920 -She didn't say you stole it. -I didn't say-- 19 00:00:45,962 --> 00:00:47,255 Why are you talking?! 20 00:00:47,297 --> 00:00:49,466 Why are you talking, bench-warming bitch? 21 00:00:49,507 --> 00:00:50,717 Shut up! 22 00:00:50,759 --> 00:00:52,844 Your reaction to what the women discovered? 23 00:00:52,886 --> 00:00:56,473 It was a little much, how they pushed her out. 24 00:00:56,514 --> 00:01:00,226 Is there anyone that feels differently about Monica 25 00:01:00,268 --> 00:01:02,771 than when you came in? 26 00:01:02,812 --> 00:01:04,564 *** 27 00:01:04,606 --> 00:01:07,359 -Jen gave you the black eye? -Yeah. 28 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,278 Tell us how it happened. 29 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:11,196 *** 30 00:01:11,237 --> 00:01:12,739 -Oh, no. -[sighs] 31 00:01:12,781 --> 00:01:17,577 *** 32 00:01:17,619 --> 00:01:21,706 *** 33 00:01:21,748 --> 00:01:22,999 [siren wailing] 34 00:01:23,041 --> 00:01:24,376 *** 35 00:01:24,417 --> 00:01:27,962 -Thank you. -MAN: Good morning. 36 00:01:28,004 --> 00:01:29,381 -Good morning. -Welcome. 37 00:01:29,422 --> 00:01:32,342 HEATHER: I felt like I had to lie to protect her 38 00:01:32,384 --> 00:01:36,179 for the fact that she gave me a black eye... 39 00:01:36,221 --> 00:01:37,972 [echoing] black eye. 40 00:01:38,014 --> 00:01:39,933 *** 41 00:01:39,974 --> 00:01:41,434 Good morning. 42 00:01:41,476 --> 00:01:43,937 For three months you have sat here with us 43 00:01:43,978 --> 00:01:45,271 and not told us the truth! 44 00:01:45,313 --> 00:01:47,065 [echoing] The truth! 45 00:01:47,107 --> 00:01:49,776 *** 46 00:01:49,818 --> 00:01:51,569 WHITNEY: There's no dark-ass little secrets! 47 00:01:51,611 --> 00:01:53,530 Clearly you're the one with the secret! 48 00:01:53,571 --> 00:01:55,323 [echoing] You're the one with the secret! 49 00:01:55,365 --> 00:01:57,450 -Have a great day. -You, too. Thank you. 50 00:01:57,492 --> 00:01:59,828 MONICA: Angie, let's talk about your involvement 51 00:01:59,869 --> 00:02:00,954 with Reality Von (Tea)se! 52 00:02:00,995 --> 00:02:02,330 Why don't you shut... 53 00:02:02,372 --> 00:02:03,456 [echoing] Why don't you shut... 54 00:02:03,498 --> 00:02:04,791 -Good morning. -Right behind there. 55 00:02:04,833 --> 00:02:05,875 Okay. 56 00:02:05,917 --> 00:02:07,252 You're a fucking dumb bitch 57 00:02:07,293 --> 00:02:09,129 'cause your ass just got caught 58 00:02:09,170 --> 00:02:10,630 running a cyberbully account! 59 00:02:10,672 --> 00:02:12,757 [echoing] Running a cyberbully account! 60 00:02:12,799 --> 00:02:17,095 *** 61 00:02:17,137 --> 00:02:19,472 Thank you. 62 00:02:19,514 --> 00:02:21,808 There is so much more to the story, 63 00:02:21,850 --> 00:02:25,478 and trust me, you're all gonna wanna hear it. 64 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:26,688 [echoing] Wanna hear it. 65 00:02:26,730 --> 00:02:34,195 *** 66 00:02:34,237 --> 00:02:35,739 CREW MEMBER: 10 minutes, ladies. 67 00:02:35,780 --> 00:02:36,781 Make your way to the stage, please. 68 00:02:36,823 --> 00:02:37,991 Okay, we're going. 69 00:02:38,033 --> 00:02:39,659 -You ready? -Yeah, I'm ready. 70 00:02:39,701 --> 00:02:40,535 You ready? 71 00:02:42,537 --> 00:02:45,123 -Watch your step up here. -Okay. 72 00:02:45,165 --> 00:02:45,999 -Hi, Meredith. -Good to see you. 73 00:02:46,041 --> 00:02:47,625 Brought your purse? 74 00:02:47,667 --> 00:02:50,170 I did, because I have a lot of notes. 75 00:02:50,211 --> 00:02:52,172 -Okay. Hey, Lisa. -Hi! 76 00:02:52,213 --> 00:02:54,382 I look like a holiday decoration. 77 00:02:54,424 --> 00:02:57,052 -Yeah, you do. Hey, Angie K. -Hi, Andy. 78 00:02:57,093 --> 00:02:58,928 How you doing? Hey, Whitney. 79 00:02:58,970 --> 00:03:01,348 I thought I was avoiding the hot seat today. 80 00:03:01,389 --> 00:03:05,352 Yeah, well, here you are. Someone's gotta do it. 81 00:03:05,393 --> 00:03:15,070 *** 82 00:03:15,111 --> 00:03:16,696 MONICA: Thank you. 83 00:03:16,738 --> 00:03:21,368 *** 84 00:03:21,409 --> 00:03:24,079 -ANDY: Hi, Monica. -Hello. 85 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,330 -How are we doing? -Great. 86 00:03:25,372 --> 00:03:27,457 -Good to see you. -You, too. 87 00:03:27,499 --> 00:03:29,459 All right, you guys ready? 88 00:03:29,501 --> 00:03:33,380 In five seconds... four...three. Start your move. 89 00:03:33,421 --> 00:03:36,883 Two...one. Push one. Go, Andy. 90 00:03:36,925 --> 00:03:40,220 Welcome to "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" 91 00:03:40,261 --> 00:03:42,514 season four reunion. 92 00:03:42,555 --> 00:03:45,934 I'm Andy Cohen, still reeling from an explosive season 93 00:03:45,975 --> 00:03:48,603 and jaw-dropping finale that has left us 94 00:03:48,645 --> 00:03:52,732 all feeling trapped in the Devil's Triangle. 95 00:03:52,774 --> 00:03:55,026 And, I mean, this is an acid trip. 96 00:03:55,068 --> 00:03:56,611 -This... -Yeah. [laughs] 97 00:03:56,653 --> 00:03:59,406 ANDY: I don't know whether to be cold or hot. 98 00:03:59,447 --> 00:04:03,118 Well, I should point out that since your finale, 99 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:06,496 which took place in Bermuda, you all, as a group, 100 00:04:06,538 --> 00:04:10,667 really have not been together or spoken. 101 00:04:10,709 --> 00:04:11,501 -Is that correct? -That's correct. 102 00:04:11,543 --> 00:04:12,752 -Correct. -Yes. 103 00:04:12,794 --> 00:04:14,504 I feel like they have been together. 104 00:04:14,546 --> 00:04:16,339 I think they were together a lot. 105 00:04:16,381 --> 00:04:17,674 -ANDY: Yeah. -Minus me. 106 00:04:17,716 --> 00:04:19,509 Right. Well, that's what I'm pointing out. 107 00:04:19,551 --> 00:04:22,762 We have a lot to go through tonight, 108 00:04:22,804 --> 00:04:27,267 and we will get into what happened at the finale. 109 00:04:27,308 --> 00:04:29,436 But before we get into the season, 110 00:04:29,477 --> 00:04:31,730 I also wanna mention the Jen Shah of it all. 111 00:04:31,771 --> 00:04:33,857 -Mm-hmm. -She's obviously not here. 112 00:04:33,898 --> 00:04:37,777 And I wonder, how did it feel doing the show without her? 113 00:04:37,819 --> 00:04:40,989 Were you...worried as a group? 114 00:04:41,031 --> 00:04:42,282 -No. -I was not. 115 00:04:42,323 --> 00:04:44,993 I was worried that the effect that Jen had had, 116 00:04:45,035 --> 00:04:48,621 that people would want that type of level of, like, 117 00:04:48,663 --> 00:04:51,583 drama and toxicity and just craziness 118 00:04:51,624 --> 00:04:53,960 and that they might tune out if they didn't see it. 119 00:04:54,002 --> 00:04:56,296 But we are excited for the chance 120 00:04:56,338 --> 00:04:58,256 to get free of all of that. 121 00:04:58,298 --> 00:05:00,633 We were excited for a chance to, like, prove ourselves, 122 00:05:00,675 --> 00:05:03,136 I think, and show our friendships 123 00:05:03,178 --> 00:05:04,637 without that in the mix. 124 00:05:04,679 --> 00:05:06,473 So, when we shot last year's reunion, 125 00:05:06,514 --> 00:05:09,225 she was waiting to be sentenced. 126 00:05:09,267 --> 00:05:11,978 -Mm-hmm. -I asked whoever was here 127 00:05:12,020 --> 00:05:14,647 your reaction to her guilty plea, 128 00:05:14,689 --> 00:05:17,442 and no one really had much of a reaction. 129 00:05:17,484 --> 00:05:22,822 I wonder if any of you do... now... 130 00:05:22,864 --> 00:05:26,618 did you feel betrayed by her? 131 00:05:26,659 --> 00:05:28,495 What's the real tea here? 132 00:05:28,536 --> 00:05:31,414 Well, she was lying to our face up to the moment 133 00:05:31,456 --> 00:05:33,750 that she walked in the courtroom to plead guilty. 134 00:05:33,792 --> 00:05:37,671 She called me this--that morning and said, "Call Meredith." 135 00:05:37,712 --> 00:05:39,130 -LISA: Mm-hmm. -"And I didn't do this, 136 00:05:39,172 --> 00:05:40,674 but I have to plead guilty." 137 00:05:40,715 --> 00:05:42,676 And so, even to the moment that she walked in 138 00:05:42,717 --> 00:05:46,012 before the judge, she was still maintaining her innocence 139 00:05:46,054 --> 00:05:48,932 and maintaining that, you know-- -Even after she pled guilty, 140 00:05:48,973 --> 00:05:50,934 she still maintained her innocence, 141 00:05:50,975 --> 00:05:53,144 so it's really hard to have a friend that's telling you, 142 00:05:53,186 --> 00:05:55,897 "I'm innocent," and all the evidence is pointing 143 00:05:55,939 --> 00:06:00,318 that she's guilty, and we backed her the entire time. 144 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:01,945 You know, even when it was rough, 145 00:06:01,986 --> 00:06:03,947 and she was coming at us really hard, 146 00:06:03,988 --> 00:06:06,533 we backed her a thousand percent. 147 00:06:06,574 --> 00:06:07,784 -So, it's an in-- -And do you believe her, 148 00:06:07,826 --> 00:06:09,369 that she is innocent? -No. 149 00:06:09,411 --> 00:06:10,787 -LISA: No. -I feel like I always 150 00:06:10,829 --> 00:06:15,000 took a stance that I always said I had my speculations. 151 00:06:15,041 --> 00:06:18,169 And I feel like I didn't want it to be true, 152 00:06:18,211 --> 00:06:20,755 but based on the evidence and everything, 153 00:06:20,797 --> 00:06:23,717 I had a strong feeling that she's guilty. 154 00:06:23,758 --> 00:06:25,010 Yeah. All the alarm bells, obviously. 155 00:06:25,051 --> 00:06:27,220 Yeah, and I-I feel like I did express that. 156 00:06:27,262 --> 00:06:28,805 HEATHER: Yeah. 157 00:06:28,847 --> 00:06:32,142 And I think at times, it was hard because there would 158 00:06:32,183 --> 00:06:36,146 be retaliation if we said or did anything. 159 00:06:36,187 --> 00:06:37,564 And, yeah, and you could bring up facts 160 00:06:37,605 --> 00:06:39,107 till you're blue in the face, 161 00:06:39,149 --> 00:06:41,401 and she just would maintain the same thing--"I didn't do it, 162 00:06:41,443 --> 00:06:43,069 I didn't do it." -Yeah. 163 00:06:43,111 --> 00:06:46,531 -What would the retaliation be? -Oh, just social media hatred. 164 00:06:46,573 --> 00:06:48,033 Just attacks, like, vicious attacks. 165 00:06:48,074 --> 00:06:49,242 -Totally. Totally. -Keyboard assassination, 166 00:06:49,284 --> 00:06:50,744 keyboard warrior. -Vicious attacks that ruin 167 00:06:50,785 --> 00:06:52,912 your character, your name, your business, things like that. 168 00:06:52,954 --> 00:06:54,247 -ANDY: Right. -Well, the hardest thing, too, 169 00:06:54,289 --> 00:06:56,666 is I think we've all let her into our homes, 170 00:06:56,708 --> 00:06:59,002 into our families, with our children, our husbands, 171 00:06:59,044 --> 00:07:01,254 and she becomes part of your family, 172 00:07:01,296 --> 00:07:04,132 so that was a real betrayal. 173 00:07:04,174 --> 00:07:05,383 -Yeah. -ANDY: Yeah. 174 00:07:05,425 --> 00:07:06,843 You know, at the last reunion, 175 00:07:06,885 --> 00:07:08,970 it was just four of you. -Yeah. 176 00:07:09,012 --> 00:07:13,850 And...I think none of us knew where any of this was gonna go. 177 00:07:13,892 --> 00:07:15,727 -Yeah, I felt that same. -Yeah. 178 00:07:15,769 --> 00:07:16,770 We have a lot to talk about. 179 00:07:16,811 --> 00:07:18,021 -Okay? -Okay. Yeah. 180 00:07:18,063 --> 00:07:19,105 So, I wanna start at the beginning. 181 00:07:19,147 --> 00:07:20,648 This season, new housewife Monica 182 00:07:20,690 --> 00:07:22,567 stepped out of her Range Rover 183 00:07:22,609 --> 00:07:26,154 and right into a snowstorm of drama. 184 00:07:26,196 --> 00:07:27,697 Through it all, this newbie was never afraid 185 00:07:27,739 --> 00:07:31,910 to keep it a hundred with Salt Lake City's 1%. 186 00:07:31,951 --> 00:07:33,161 Take a look. 187 00:07:33,203 --> 00:07:34,496 -Hi. -Hi. How are you? 188 00:07:34,537 --> 00:07:36,706 -Nice to meet you. -I know. We've talked before. 189 00:07:36,748 --> 00:07:37,957 -Yeah. -Yeah. 190 00:07:37,999 --> 00:07:40,418 I remember meeting Monica a few years ago. 191 00:07:40,460 --> 00:07:42,295 She was running an errand for Jen. 192 00:07:42,337 --> 00:07:47,300 So, Jen had fired her assistant, and I stepped in to help her. 193 00:07:47,342 --> 00:07:50,720 I became a witness. 194 00:07:50,762 --> 00:07:53,390 with the federal government in her trial. 195 00:07:53,431 --> 00:07:54,766 Morning. How are you? 196 00:07:54,808 --> 00:07:57,477 As a single mom, my life consists 197 00:07:57,519 --> 00:07:59,229 of running my kids everywhere. 198 00:07:59,270 --> 00:08:01,981 This one likes football. This one likes gymnastics. 199 00:08:02,023 --> 00:08:04,651 This one likes art. You know what I would like? 200 00:08:04,693 --> 00:08:07,487 -[smoke alarm beeping] -Oh, my God. 201 00:08:07,529 --> 00:08:09,489 Five hours of extra sleep. 202 00:08:09,531 --> 00:08:12,033 It's just so tone-deaf 203 00:08:12,075 --> 00:08:15,161 to hear you talk about money and your successes. 204 00:08:15,203 --> 00:08:17,914 Like, the 1% of people in the world live like you. 205 00:08:17,956 --> 00:08:20,667 Skate away. Bye, 50-year-old wannabe. 206 00:08:20,709 --> 00:08:22,794 -Bye-ee! -Monica, you're gonna age, too. 207 00:08:22,836 --> 00:08:25,130 Bye-ee! Bye-ee! 208 00:08:25,171 --> 00:08:27,590 LISA: 50-year-old wannabe? She wants to be me. 209 00:08:27,632 --> 00:08:28,842 She wishes she could have what I have. 210 00:08:28,883 --> 00:08:30,927 That's why she carries fake Chanel. 211 00:08:30,969 --> 00:08:32,429 [indistinct conversations] 212 00:08:32,470 --> 00:08:34,347 -[snickers] -All right. 213 00:08:34,389 --> 00:08:37,350 -Do you wanna be Lisa? -No. 214 00:08:37,392 --> 00:08:41,563 I thought it was really touching and honest 215 00:08:41,604 --> 00:08:43,648 when you cried to your mom 216 00:08:43,690 --> 00:08:48,028 about, you know, worrying about feeling left out. 217 00:08:48,069 --> 00:08:50,864 -Mm-hmm. -The labels, buying the purse. 218 00:08:50,905 --> 00:08:55,994 Um...why was that important for you to share? 219 00:08:56,036 --> 00:08:58,038 [clicks teeth] You know, it wasn't 220 00:08:58,079 --> 00:09:00,373 necessarily about the bag. -Okay. 221 00:09:00,415 --> 00:09:03,043 It was about entering this group of women. 222 00:09:03,084 --> 00:09:06,004 As an outsider looking in, they look flawless. 223 00:09:06,046 --> 00:09:07,714 Their homes are beautiful. 224 00:09:07,756 --> 00:09:11,051 They're married. Their kids are successful. 225 00:09:11,092 --> 00:09:13,219 Like, you just look at it from the outside, 226 00:09:13,261 --> 00:09:15,972 and you're like, what am I bringing to the table? 227 00:09:16,014 --> 00:09:17,432 -Okay. -I'm a whore 228 00:09:17,474 --> 00:09:18,975 that's going through a divorce, that has four kids 229 00:09:19,017 --> 00:09:20,769 and lives in a 3,000-square-foot home. 230 00:09:20,810 --> 00:09:22,228 -This is how I felt. -Okay. 231 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:24,439 I'm just, you know? And I think every single person 232 00:09:24,481 --> 00:09:26,399 in their life at one point in time or another 233 00:09:26,441 --> 00:09:30,820 has felt like...I don't belong? 234 00:09:30,862 --> 00:09:34,074 Yeah. Well, I think that's why it resonated. 235 00:09:36,951 --> 00:09:39,204 So, why were you so annoyed by Lisa 236 00:09:39,245 --> 00:09:41,373 carrying on about the $60,000 ring? 237 00:09:41,414 --> 00:09:43,541 I have to assume if you had lost a $60,000 ring... 238 00:09:43,583 --> 00:09:45,001 Yeah. 239 00:09:45,043 --> 00:09:47,087 ...you'd be freaking out about it. 240 00:09:47,128 --> 00:09:48,880 Lisa had every right to be upset... 241 00:09:48,922 --> 00:09:50,965 -Mm-hmm. -...about losing her ring. 242 00:09:51,007 --> 00:09:53,968 What I didn't like was that it was, 243 00:09:54,010 --> 00:09:56,763 $60,000, $60,000, $60,000, $60,000, $60,000. 244 00:09:56,805 --> 00:09:58,640 I only said the price three times. 245 00:09:58,682 --> 00:10:00,767 And so the thing for me, it was, 246 00:10:00,809 --> 00:10:02,602 everybody processes things differently, 247 00:10:02,644 --> 00:10:04,229 and for me, losing that, it's a big deal. 248 00:10:04,270 --> 00:10:05,563 Henry almost died... 249 00:10:05,605 --> 00:10:07,023 [voice breaking] after I had him, 250 00:10:07,065 --> 00:10:09,526 and John gave me that ring because I was like, 251 00:10:09,567 --> 00:10:11,277 I don't know if we're gonna be able to have more kids. 252 00:10:11,319 --> 00:10:13,405 I don't know if we're gonna have another kid. 253 00:10:13,446 --> 00:10:17,283 That meant more than just a ring that I wear on my finger. 254 00:10:17,325 --> 00:10:18,743 Every time I look at it, 255 00:10:18,785 --> 00:10:19,869 it's like, we have our two beautiful babies, 256 00:10:19,911 --> 00:10:21,371 and, like, it was so hard-- 257 00:10:21,413 --> 00:10:23,456 But see, that is beautiful. I didn't know that. 258 00:10:23,498 --> 00:10:25,000 It was no one's business. I didn't even wanna say that. 259 00:10:25,041 --> 00:10:27,377 -But I'm just saying. -I was just stressed about it 260 00:10:27,419 --> 00:10:28,962 because it's--to me, it's a symbol. To me, it's a symbol. 261 00:10:29,004 --> 00:10:30,839 I thought you said he had just bought that for you. 262 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,090 I thought at the airport you said he just bought that. 263 00:10:32,132 --> 00:10:33,633 No, he did not just buy that for me. These-- 264 00:10:33,675 --> 00:10:34,801 -She said it was sentimental. -I said it was sentimental. 265 00:10:34,843 --> 00:10:37,303 No, I'm really upset. It's sentimental. 266 00:10:37,345 --> 00:10:38,513 -It's from John, so I'm upset. -Yeah, it's a big deal. 267 00:10:38,555 --> 00:10:40,015 I'm so sorry. 268 00:10:40,056 --> 00:10:42,559 I get rings for different things at different times. 269 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:43,935 That one was special to me, 270 00:10:43,977 --> 00:10:46,688 and that one was not something we had just gotten. 271 00:10:46,730 --> 00:10:48,231 These are ones I just got. 272 00:10:48,273 --> 00:10:50,191 That is not one, and it was sentimental. 273 00:10:50,233 --> 00:10:52,193 You can ask John if you don't believe me or that even... 274 00:10:52,235 --> 00:10:53,737 I'm not saying I don't believe you, but at the-- 275 00:10:53,778 --> 00:10:54,738 ...bothering you that I would say that, but just saying-- 276 00:10:54,779 --> 00:10:56,156 -I just-- -But at the airport, 277 00:10:56,197 --> 00:10:57,615 that's not what you told me. That's all I'm saying. 278 00:10:57,657 --> 00:10:58,825 I did not say that. I did not say that. I said I-- 279 00:10:58,867 --> 00:10:59,951 -Okay, okay. -I did not say that. 280 00:10:59,993 --> 00:11:01,327 I'm not gonna fight you on this. 281 00:11:01,369 --> 00:11:02,954 -LISA: I did not say that. -He just asked 282 00:11:02,996 --> 00:11:04,539 what was bothering me, and it was just this, 283 00:11:04,581 --> 00:11:06,124 60, 60, 60, 60. -And I was highly stressed, 284 00:11:06,166 --> 00:11:08,084 so for me, it's more than just the ring. 285 00:11:08,126 --> 00:11:10,462 It's like saying, like, oh, that's upsetting to me. 286 00:11:10,503 --> 00:11:12,297 Because I lost a ring, and I'm upset about it 287 00:11:12,339 --> 00:11:14,507 it doesn't mean I'm not relatable to the middle class. 288 00:11:14,549 --> 00:11:16,718 It doesn't mean I think I'm part of the 1%. 289 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,011 It doesn't mean I think I'm better. 290 00:11:18,053 --> 00:11:19,304 Well, you're right about that. I wasn't correct. 291 00:11:19,346 --> 00:11:22,640 You're definitely not the 1%. You're right. 292 00:11:22,682 --> 00:11:24,976 So, I get you're--you're trying to dig me now, so okay. Okay. 293 00:11:25,018 --> 00:11:26,227 I'm not! I actually did research... 294 00:11:26,269 --> 00:11:28,021 -Okay. -...on what I said. 295 00:11:28,063 --> 00:11:31,441 1% is like Shaquille O'Neill. No, I'm serious! 296 00:11:31,483 --> 00:11:34,194 -1%'s a pretty broad... -Yeah, I know. I mean, I'm... 297 00:11:34,235 --> 00:11:36,363 MONICA: I'm just saying that you are very rich. 298 00:11:36,404 --> 00:11:38,490 -I'm saying I spoke incorrectly. -Listen, Monica, Monica, 299 00:11:38,531 --> 00:11:40,950 the bottom line is... -I insulted you incorrectly. 300 00:11:40,992 --> 00:11:42,660 -You never found it? -Never found it. 301 00:11:42,702 --> 00:11:43,870 -Never found it. -The ring is gone. 302 00:11:43,912 --> 00:11:45,497 -The ring is gone. -There were-- 303 00:11:45,538 --> 00:11:49,834 Where do you think the rumors started that you took the ring? 304 00:11:49,876 --> 00:11:51,544 I mean, I think it started over there. 305 00:11:51,586 --> 00:11:53,505 It did not start over with me. I didn't start it. 306 00:11:53,546 --> 00:11:55,632 -ANDY: Okay. -No, really, 307 00:11:55,674 --> 00:11:57,092 who do you think started that rumor that you stole the ring? 308 00:11:57,133 --> 00:11:58,593 LISA: Who do you think started it? 'Cause it wasn't me. 309 00:11:58,635 --> 00:11:59,886 -It wasn't me. -That's what I-- 310 00:11:59,928 --> 00:12:01,054 And so many people-- 311 00:12:01,096 --> 00:12:03,098 You thought Lisa started that rumor. 312 00:12:03,139 --> 00:12:04,766 I thought Lisa and Heather. 313 00:12:04,808 --> 00:12:06,059 No, that's wrong. You're totally wrong. 314 00:12:06,101 --> 00:12:07,435 Let me ask you this. 315 00:12:07,477 --> 00:12:10,397 Why didn't you go online when you saw all the rumors 316 00:12:10,438 --> 00:12:12,774 and say, "I do not think Monica stole that"? 317 00:12:12,816 --> 00:12:14,067 I don't think I need to do that. 318 00:12:14,109 --> 00:12:15,527 -Oh. -I don't think 319 00:12:15,568 --> 00:12:16,903 that's my job to do that. -By the way, I will say this. 320 00:12:16,945 --> 00:12:18,238 I didn't think that's my job to do it. 321 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:20,115 -Exactly! Thank you! -I didn't say it out loud. 322 00:12:20,156 --> 00:12:22,409 Thank you! You just admitted it. 323 00:12:22,450 --> 00:12:23,827 And I didn't say it out loud. I don't need to defend 324 00:12:23,868 --> 00:12:25,245 something that's not my-- -You know, Monica, there are 325 00:12:25,286 --> 00:12:26,579 people that, like, watch your behavior and were like-- 326 00:12:26,621 --> 00:12:28,123 I would have asked that the next time you're on 327 00:12:28,164 --> 00:12:28,957 "Watch What Happens Live" if they thought you stole the ring. 328 00:12:28,998 --> 00:12:30,458 Watch my behavior? 329 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:31,960 -No, there are people-- -You think I would steal 330 00:12:32,002 --> 00:12:33,920 a $60,000 ring from you? -I-- 331 00:12:33,962 --> 00:12:36,548 It's $58,000, just to be clear. I have a new one. 332 00:12:36,589 --> 00:12:39,426 It doesn't feel the same. I don't think of it the same. 333 00:12:39,467 --> 00:12:41,386 It looks good, but I liked my other one, 334 00:12:41,428 --> 00:12:42,595 and I want my other one. 335 00:12:42,637 --> 00:12:43,847 Why are you looking at me when you say that? 336 00:12:43,888 --> 00:12:45,473 -I don't have your ring. -I'm not saying-- 337 00:12:45,515 --> 00:12:47,058 I'm looking over here because guess what? You are right here. 338 00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:48,393 Let me make this is really clear, 'cause this is 339 00:12:48,435 --> 00:12:50,353 actually really damaging, and actually it's easy. 340 00:12:50,395 --> 00:12:51,938 It's stereotypical, and it's tired. 341 00:12:51,980 --> 00:12:53,356 What's stereotypical? 342 00:12:53,398 --> 00:12:54,607 To accuse me. Go ahead, laugh it up, Angie. 343 00:12:54,649 --> 00:12:56,067 Wait, but why would that be stereotypical? 344 00:12:56,109 --> 00:12:57,861 Speaking of easy, stereotypical big mouth. 345 00:12:57,902 --> 00:12:59,154 Laugh it up. 346 00:12:59,195 --> 00:13:00,363 Wait, why would it be stereotypical? 347 00:13:00,405 --> 00:13:02,615 -I did not steal your ring. -Okay, but wait, 348 00:13:02,657 --> 00:13:04,117 why would it be stereotypical? -Because you're saying, like, 349 00:13:04,159 --> 00:13:05,952 I would steal it 'cause I have less than you, 350 00:13:05,994 --> 00:13:07,287 so I'm gonna steal it so I can, like-- 351 00:13:07,328 --> 00:13:08,413 -No, I didn't-- -She didn't say you stole it. 352 00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:10,290 Why are you talking?! 353 00:13:10,331 --> 00:13:12,625 Why are you talking, bench-warming bitch? Shut up! 354 00:13:12,667 --> 00:13:13,752 -Bitch? -Yes! 355 00:13:13,793 --> 00:13:15,211 Really? You're so classy, Monica. 356 00:13:15,253 --> 00:13:16,963 Stop talking. I'm not-- This doesn't even involve you, 357 00:13:25,388 --> 00:13:25,722 *** 358 00:13:26,931 --> 00:13:28,933 She didn't say you stole it. 359 00:13:28,975 --> 00:13:30,310 -Why are you talking?! -Why are you talking? You-- 360 00:13:30,352 --> 00:13:32,145 Why are you talking, bench-warming bitch? 361 00:13:32,187 --> 00:13:33,229 -Shut up! -Bitch? 362 00:13:33,271 --> 00:13:34,481 -Yes. -Really? 363 00:13:34,522 --> 00:13:35,774 -Stop talking. -You're so classy, Monica. 364 00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:37,067 I'm, like, this doesn't even involve you, 365 00:13:37,108 --> 00:13:38,401 just like most things this season. 366 00:13:38,443 --> 00:13:40,153 Monica, do we ever make you feel bad 367 00:13:40,195 --> 00:13:42,364 and say you had less than us? Never. Never. 368 00:13:42,405 --> 00:13:44,074 Oh, really? But she talked about me from the beginning 369 00:13:44,115 --> 00:13:45,992 of it to the end. 370 00:13:46,034 --> 00:13:47,619 I never took your ring. 371 00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:50,121 I didn't even go into that bathroom 372 00:13:50,163 --> 00:13:54,250 until, like, 20, 30 minutes after you had lost your ring. 373 00:13:55,627 --> 00:13:59,005 We learned early on about your connection with Jen Shaw. 374 00:13:59,047 --> 00:14:00,507 Were you two close friends, 375 00:14:00,548 --> 00:14:03,176 or how would you describe your relationship? 376 00:14:03,218 --> 00:14:05,428 I would describe it as we were friends first, 377 00:14:05,470 --> 00:14:09,391 and then I was "working" for her, 378 00:14:09,432 --> 00:14:12,519 and then...enemies, I guess? 379 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:14,979 So, what did you specifically do for her? 380 00:14:15,021 --> 00:14:16,690 What was your job description? 381 00:14:16,731 --> 00:14:20,527 She needed help at the time with...honestly, her life. 382 00:14:20,568 --> 00:14:24,322 Like, now, looking back and knowing everything, 383 00:14:24,364 --> 00:14:25,824 I'm like, okay, I get it. Like... 384 00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:28,493 I almost felt like I was just more of a friend, 385 00:14:28,535 --> 00:14:29,577 like, the stuff I would do for her. 386 00:14:29,619 --> 00:14:31,204 Like, I would go and get her groceries. 387 00:14:31,246 --> 00:14:33,081 I would make sure that she was on time 388 00:14:33,123 --> 00:14:35,792 to her freaking meetings and whatever. 389 00:14:35,834 --> 00:14:37,419 Was this--Was she filming the show at this point? 390 00:14:37,460 --> 00:14:40,964 Um...I think you guys filmed season one. 391 00:14:41,006 --> 00:14:42,966 Okay. Was she paying you? 392 00:14:43,008 --> 00:14:44,509 No. 393 00:14:44,551 --> 00:14:45,885 So, you were taking time away from your kids 394 00:14:45,927 --> 00:14:47,762 for a job that didn't pay? 395 00:14:47,804 --> 00:14:48,888 -Yeah. -HEATHER: Why were you doing it? 396 00:14:48,930 --> 00:14:50,473 -Why? -Why? 397 00:14:50,515 --> 00:14:53,393 -ANDY: Yeah. -Honestly, she was my friend. 398 00:14:53,435 --> 00:14:55,812 She needed help. It didn't start like that. 399 00:14:55,854 --> 00:14:58,231 We were friends first, and I was like, 400 00:14:58,273 --> 00:15:00,567 "I can help you until you need somebody." 401 00:15:00,608 --> 00:15:02,402 -So, you didn't have, like... -I had a husband 402 00:15:02,444 --> 00:15:04,738 home at the time. -..."Kim K. started out 403 00:15:04,779 --> 00:15:06,406 as assistant, and look where it got her, 404 00:15:06,448 --> 00:15:07,907 and I'll start out as an assistant 405 00:15:07,949 --> 00:15:09,576 and see where it gets me"? 406 00:15:09,617 --> 00:15:11,161 Um, no. 407 00:15:11,202 --> 00:15:13,997 I actually--I mean, I would like you to hear something, Monica, 408 00:15:14,039 --> 00:15:15,582 that you said, 'cause I think-- 409 00:15:15,623 --> 00:15:18,710 I would love for you to read that, Heather. 410 00:15:18,752 --> 00:15:21,254 It's just--just for a little bit of clarity. 411 00:15:21,296 --> 00:15:23,465 Oh, it's-- it's an audio recording. 412 00:15:23,506 --> 00:15:25,925 MONICA: [over recording] ...fucking Kim Kardashian 413 00:15:25,967 --> 00:15:29,763 was a fucking assistant, and look at that bitch now. 414 00:15:29,804 --> 00:15:31,306 Yeah. 415 00:15:31,348 --> 00:15:32,807 [recording continues] Uh, I can fully admit 416 00:15:32,849 --> 00:15:35,393 that the whole reason why I was an assistant 417 00:15:35,435 --> 00:15:38,146 and putting up with that shit was as a stepping stone, 418 00:15:38,188 --> 00:15:39,981 as a learning experience. 419 00:15:40,023 --> 00:15:42,233 So, that proves what, 420 00:15:42,275 --> 00:15:44,944 that she was doing it to get on the show? 421 00:15:44,986 --> 00:15:46,780 Were you being her assistant to get on the show? 422 00:15:46,821 --> 00:15:50,241 I didn't think I would ever end up on the show, honestly. 423 00:15:50,283 --> 00:15:52,619 But why wouldn't I try to get on the show? 424 00:15:52,660 --> 00:15:54,704 -I applied like everybody else. -I just--I was just clarifying 425 00:15:54,746 --> 00:15:56,247 that I don't think you were her friend helping her. 426 00:15:56,289 --> 00:15:58,041 -I think that you had an agenda. -I was her friend, Heather. 427 00:15:58,083 --> 00:16:00,794 -Well, you had an agenda. -I didn't. 428 00:16:00,835 --> 00:16:04,923 When I met her, I didn't even know she was on the show. 429 00:16:04,964 --> 00:16:09,386 As this...situation went on with her, 430 00:16:09,427 --> 00:16:12,222 are you comfortable saying, yeah, that you thought, 431 00:16:12,263 --> 00:16:15,767 "Oh, well, maybe I'll get on the show as a result of it"? 432 00:16:15,809 --> 00:16:18,812 Honestly, when I applied to get on the show, 433 00:16:18,853 --> 00:16:20,814 I applied just like everybody else sitting here. 434 00:16:20,855 --> 00:16:23,817 -How did--How did you apply? -I didn't apply... 435 00:16:23,858 --> 00:16:24,901 I didn't apply. I, like, helped bring the show to Utah, 436 00:16:24,943 --> 00:16:26,319 so I didn't apply. 437 00:16:26,361 --> 00:16:28,279 Okay, well, everyone else that has to apply now. 438 00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:30,490 -How? How did you apply now? -Okay. You talked to casting. 439 00:16:30,532 --> 00:16:33,702 I emailed the email for casting like everyone else. 440 00:16:33,743 --> 00:16:35,328 And said what? 441 00:16:35,370 --> 00:16:38,039 I said, "My name is Monica Fowler, 442 00:16:38,081 --> 00:16:41,292 and your show sucks and your ratings are shit, 443 00:16:41,334 --> 00:16:43,128 and it's gonna get canceled 444 00:16:43,169 --> 00:16:45,171 because you don't have the right cast." 445 00:16:45,213 --> 00:16:46,423 -Wow. -LISA: Wow. 446 00:16:46,464 --> 00:16:48,508 Did it suck, and the ratings sucked? 447 00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:50,176 That's what I said. I'm being honest. 448 00:16:50,218 --> 00:16:51,886 -ANDY: Wow. -That's what I said. 449 00:16:54,848 --> 00:16:57,183 A lot of viewers had questions about your friend 450 00:16:57,225 --> 00:16:58,977 at the Secret Service 451 00:16:59,019 --> 00:17:00,937 telling you that there was an active case against Jen. 452 00:17:00,979 --> 00:17:03,732 Since that doesn't seem like inform-- 453 00:17:03,773 --> 00:17:05,358 -That's not what he said. -Okay. What--What was it? 454 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,027 He did not say there was an active case. 455 00:17:07,068 --> 00:17:08,111 Okay. 456 00:17:08,153 --> 00:17:10,030 He said, "Get away from Jen Shah. 457 00:17:10,071 --> 00:17:11,364 She's going to prison." 458 00:17:11,406 --> 00:17:13,366 And then how did you go from there 459 00:17:13,408 --> 00:17:16,536 to becoming an informant against her? 460 00:17:16,578 --> 00:17:19,539 Um, I talked to the federal investigators. 461 00:17:19,581 --> 00:17:21,958 Did you reach out to them? 462 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,668 -I did, yes. -And said? 463 00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:26,296 I said, "I have information about your case." 464 00:17:26,338 --> 00:17:28,715 I think that I did the right thing. 465 00:17:28,757 --> 00:17:32,635 And I think that everyone here 466 00:17:32,677 --> 00:17:35,096 probably should have done the right thing, too. 467 00:17:35,138 --> 00:17:37,640 We got a lot of questions from people wanting to know 468 00:17:37,682 --> 00:17:40,393 how the affair with your brother-in-law started. 469 00:17:41,686 --> 00:17:43,521 Okay, first of all, I need to start by saying that 470 00:17:43,563 --> 00:17:44,898 that happened over a decade ago. 471 00:17:44,939 --> 00:17:46,941 -Okay. -And... 472 00:17:46,983 --> 00:17:51,321 as far as everybody here, especially Heather, 473 00:17:51,363 --> 00:17:53,656 have had very deep conversations about that 474 00:17:53,698 --> 00:17:55,283 and how painful that was for me, 475 00:17:55,325 --> 00:17:57,202 and you guys were actually wonderful. 476 00:17:57,243 --> 00:18:00,288 It wasn't about bragging or not taking accountability. 477 00:18:00,330 --> 00:18:01,623 ANDY: Okay. 478 00:18:01,664 --> 00:18:03,625 I don't think taking accountability means 479 00:18:03,667 --> 00:18:06,211 self-shame and self-hating for the rest of my life. 480 00:18:06,252 --> 00:18:08,672 -Yeah. -I was excommunicated. 481 00:18:08,713 --> 00:18:13,093 I bore the scarlet letter. I still do. I was re-baptized. 482 00:18:13,134 --> 00:18:14,928 I went through the whole re-baptism process 483 00:18:14,969 --> 00:18:16,388 in the Church. 484 00:18:16,429 --> 00:18:18,932 She cried when she told me about being excommunicated, 485 00:18:18,973 --> 00:18:20,975 and we talked about how unfair the process is 486 00:18:21,017 --> 00:18:22,936 and how she had come back. -It really was. 487 00:18:22,977 --> 00:18:25,522 And to get re-baptized in the Mormon Church is a big deal. 488 00:18:25,563 --> 00:18:26,481 You have to take the missionary discussions. 489 00:18:26,523 --> 00:18:27,774 -All over. -ANDY: Wow. 490 00:18:27,816 --> 00:18:29,150 You have to go through the interview process. 491 00:18:29,192 --> 00:18:31,027 You have to get special high upper permissions, 492 00:18:31,069 --> 00:18:32,404 and then to get remarried. -ANDY: It was a--It was-- 493 00:18:32,445 --> 00:18:33,947 Your friend said you read the Bible every day. 494 00:18:33,988 --> 00:18:36,324 ANDY: Wow. 495 00:18:43,164 --> 00:18:46,960 Are you still in touch with the former brother-in-law? 496 00:18:47,002 --> 00:18:48,920 No. [sniffles] 497 00:18:48,962 --> 00:18:52,799 Are he and his brother estranged? 498 00:18:52,841 --> 00:18:55,010 So, it's brother-in-law, so it's not Mike's... 499 00:18:55,051 --> 00:18:57,762 -Oh, right, right. Okay. -...like, actual brother. 500 00:18:57,804 --> 00:18:59,055 -Okay, got it. -WHITNEY: Oh, so it's like... 501 00:18:59,097 --> 00:19:01,599 -That's an important detail. -I mean, it's not. 502 00:19:01,641 --> 00:19:03,184 -I think it is. -It was still very shitty. 503 00:19:03,226 --> 00:19:06,479 Well, I mean, it was, but a little less shitty, maybe. 504 00:19:06,521 --> 00:19:07,814 -Mm. -I mean... 505 00:19:07,856 --> 00:19:09,065 -Yeah. -Give yourself some grace. 506 00:19:09,107 --> 00:19:11,651 -Maybe a little less inbred. -ANDY: Was it? 507 00:19:11,693 --> 00:19:13,486 It was--honestly, everyone is hearing about it 508 00:19:13,528 --> 00:19:14,487 for the first time, which is crazy, 509 00:19:14,529 --> 00:19:15,989 'cause I'm, like, reliving it. 510 00:19:16,031 --> 00:19:20,118 Like, I'm constantly being called a whore, um, online 511 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,663 and in my comments are nasty. Like, na-- Like, it's wild. 512 00:19:23,705 --> 00:19:25,331 -Relating to this? -Uh, my brother-in-law, 513 00:19:25,373 --> 00:19:26,750 the situation. -Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 514 00:19:26,791 --> 00:19:29,836 It hits different when the internet comes after you, 515 00:19:29,878 --> 00:19:32,922 and trolls come after you with nasty things, 516 00:19:32,964 --> 00:19:36,468 because I, too, admitted that I've had an affair 517 00:19:36,509 --> 00:19:40,263 and, um, been called every name in the book, 518 00:19:40,305 --> 00:19:42,974 and you think you're over it, and then you get on a show, 519 00:19:43,016 --> 00:19:45,977 and Instagram takes off, and trolls come in. It's hard. 520 00:19:46,019 --> 00:19:48,188 The comments really hurt. 521 00:19:56,696 --> 00:19:57,030 *** 522 00:19:58,323 --> 00:20:00,408 -CREW MEMBER: Mark. -DIRECTOR: Two...one. 523 00:20:00,450 --> 00:20:03,119 Welcome back. Well, the Salt Lake City women 524 00:20:03,161 --> 00:20:06,831 vowed to start the year with fresh powder and fresh starts, 525 00:20:06,873 --> 00:20:09,084 but it didn't take long for this crew 526 00:20:09,125 --> 00:20:11,294 to draw their lines in the snow, 527 00:20:11,336 --> 00:20:14,881 landing several friendships in hot water-- 528 00:20:14,923 --> 00:20:16,758 bathwater, to be exact. 529 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,094 -Take a look. -Oh. 530 00:20:19,135 --> 00:20:22,597 Whitney, I don't believe that you own the things you say. 531 00:20:22,639 --> 00:20:24,349 Because we left New York, 532 00:20:24,391 --> 00:20:26,768 I thought we were in a neutral, peaceful zone, 533 00:20:26,810 --> 00:20:28,603 and the next thing I'm seeing is that 534 00:20:28,645 --> 00:20:30,605 Whitney did an interview in the press. 535 00:20:30,647 --> 00:20:32,273 She said... 536 00:20:32,315 --> 00:20:33,942 [imitating Whitney] "It creeps me out 537 00:20:33,983 --> 00:20:36,444 to get in a bubble bath with someone else." 538 00:20:36,486 --> 00:20:40,115 That was a funny joke, Meredith. I'm sorry that offended you. 539 00:20:40,156 --> 00:20:42,325 We don't wanna lose brain cells over this. 540 00:20:42,367 --> 00:20:43,952 Save your brain cells. 541 00:20:43,993 --> 00:20:45,328 [crying] There are things that are going on 542 00:20:45,370 --> 00:20:49,290 that are a lot fucking deeper than this nonsense. 543 00:20:49,332 --> 00:20:52,293 There are children who are going to be disabled 544 00:20:52,335 --> 00:20:55,255 for the rest of their lives. Peace out. 545 00:20:55,296 --> 00:20:58,550 Whenever Meredith's put on the spot, this is what she does. 546 00:20:58,591 --> 00:21:02,303 She pulls in some big thing that she's going through. 547 00:21:02,345 --> 00:21:05,765 So, it's someone's, um, sister-in-law's 548 00:21:05,807 --> 00:21:07,142 grandson's 3-year-old, 549 00:21:07,183 --> 00:21:09,144 and it's a headache, and it's this and that. 550 00:21:09,185 --> 00:21:10,854 Like, when is it really about-- 551 00:21:10,895 --> 00:21:13,481 Don't you go there. You take a sick child who will 552 00:21:13,523 --> 00:21:15,775 suffer for the rest of his life to weaponize against me?! 553 00:21:15,817 --> 00:21:18,486 -We have sick children. -Don't you dare! 554 00:21:18,528 --> 00:21:20,739 Over the last few years, 555 00:21:20,780 --> 00:21:22,574 we've had trouble. 556 00:21:22,615 --> 00:21:25,160 I want progression, especially with friendships. 557 00:21:25,201 --> 00:21:27,120 There's room always for growth. 558 00:21:27,162 --> 00:21:28,830 With Meredith, I'm not gonna go backwards. 559 00:21:28,872 --> 00:21:30,498 I'm gonna look forward. 560 00:21:30,540 --> 00:21:32,500 Oh, my gosh. Heather's calling me right now. 561 00:21:32,542 --> 00:21:33,877 -[cellphone rings] -Heather. 562 00:21:33,918 --> 00:21:35,170 HEATHER: [over phone] What's up, Lisa Barlow? 563 00:21:35,211 --> 00:21:38,256 [singsongy] I'm with my bestie! Um... 564 00:21:38,298 --> 00:21:40,925 HEATHER: You two little peas in a pod. 565 00:21:40,967 --> 00:21:42,135 Did you hear the news? 566 00:21:42,177 --> 00:21:44,554 ANGIE: I am so sorry for your loss. 567 00:21:44,596 --> 00:21:46,514 *** 568 00:21:46,556 --> 00:21:48,808 I got you. I got you. 569 00:21:48,850 --> 00:21:51,519 I'm so sorry. How are you? 570 00:21:51,561 --> 00:21:53,104 LISA: Hey, guys. 571 00:21:53,146 --> 00:21:54,939 -Hi! [laughs] -Oh, my gosh! 572 00:21:54,981 --> 00:21:57,108 -You brought more presents? -LISA: Okay. 573 00:21:57,150 --> 00:22:00,236 -Everything's about you. -No, it's not. No, it's not. 574 00:22:00,278 --> 00:22:01,363 And I think that you can-- I'm so sorry for your loss. 575 00:22:01,404 --> 00:22:02,739 It is, Lisa! 576 00:22:02,781 --> 00:22:04,074 -And I'm always there for you. -No, I'm so sorry-- 577 00:22:04,115 --> 00:22:05,533 -Always there for you. -No, no, no, listen. 578 00:22:05,575 --> 00:22:06,993 Always there for you, 579 00:22:07,035 --> 00:22:08,870 and I just needed you... -I'm so sorry for your loss. 580 00:22:08,912 --> 00:22:09,746 ...for one minute to be there for me. 581 00:22:09,788 --> 00:22:11,581 Fuck this. Fuck this. 582 00:22:11,623 --> 00:22:15,210 I want to, like, forge a new path as friends. 583 00:22:15,251 --> 00:22:18,088 Well...it's gonna be hard for me 584 00:22:18,129 --> 00:22:21,007 to trust you that you really wanna be my friend. 585 00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:22,550 I guess you had a conversation with Heather 586 00:22:22,592 --> 00:22:23,927 where I'm self-absorbed 587 00:22:23,968 --> 00:22:25,095 and you're helping me be a better person? 588 00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:27,138 When I was talking to Whitney, she said 589 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:29,599 she's, like, helping you be intuitive and healing. 590 00:22:29,641 --> 00:22:32,644 What the fuck is that? 591 00:22:32,686 --> 00:22:34,229 Why are you meddling in my friendship with Lisa? 592 00:22:34,270 --> 00:22:36,690 -I'm not! How is that meddling? -LISA: But listen-- 593 00:22:36,731 --> 00:22:38,274 -She's spinning this because... -I'm not spinning! 594 00:22:38,316 --> 00:22:39,859 ...what she'll be doing is attacking and being like... 595 00:22:39,901 --> 00:22:41,903 -Why are you meddling? -...word for word. 596 00:22:41,945 --> 00:22:45,573 Heather, shut the fuck up. 597 00:22:45,615 --> 00:22:48,368 All right. Um... 598 00:22:48,410 --> 00:22:50,537 -There's a lot. -There's a lot. Wow. 599 00:22:50,578 --> 00:22:52,372 -[laughter] -Well, we started off the season 600 00:22:52,414 --> 00:22:56,626 with our two best friend duos back in action. 601 00:22:56,668 --> 00:23:00,046 Um, Meredith and Lisa, where do you two stand today? 602 00:23:00,088 --> 00:23:03,717 Well, we've had a few bumps along the road for sure, 603 00:23:03,758 --> 00:23:08,138 but we have gotten back to a much better place. 604 00:23:08,179 --> 00:23:10,890 Much better place. I feel like we're building a new friendship. 605 00:23:10,932 --> 00:23:12,392 -I feel like... -Yes. 606 00:23:12,434 --> 00:23:14,310 ...we went through so much, like, it's too hard 607 00:23:14,352 --> 00:23:16,479 to go back there, and it's like starting over. 608 00:23:16,521 --> 00:23:20,400 So, Heather and Whitney, where are you today? 609 00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:24,279 It was easy to get back to, like, true love, you know, 610 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,781 but there's still stuff we're working through... 611 00:23:26,823 --> 00:23:28,283 [laughs] constantly. 612 00:23:28,324 --> 00:23:29,993 Yeah, there's many trust issues still. 613 00:23:30,035 --> 00:23:31,661 I think it's-- it's the same thing. 614 00:23:31,703 --> 00:23:34,998 Our relationship-- it just looks different now. 615 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,916 Yeah. Meredith, Whitney called you out 616 00:23:36,958 --> 00:23:39,502 for your extraneous excuses. 617 00:23:39,544 --> 00:23:41,296 Watching the show back, 618 00:23:41,338 --> 00:23:44,591 did it make you see it from Whitney's point of view 619 00:23:44,632 --> 00:23:47,635 that when you're backed in a corner, you tend to deflect, 620 00:23:47,677 --> 00:23:50,180 or you think it's an unfair... -Actually, quite the opposite. 621 00:23:50,221 --> 00:23:51,848 -Okay. -Everybody here 622 00:23:51,890 --> 00:23:54,267 has their own things they go through. 623 00:23:54,309 --> 00:23:58,104 Whitney lost a friend, and, you know, 624 00:23:58,146 --> 00:24:01,066 uh, that's obviously horrible and very sad. 625 00:24:01,107 --> 00:24:02,650 And when Lisa approached you, 626 00:24:02,692 --> 00:24:05,612 you said, "I'm sorry. I can't talk about this right now." 627 00:24:05,653 --> 00:24:10,158 Lisa cried about her makeup, and I respected that. 628 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,702 -I respect people's feelings. -In--In the moment. 629 00:24:12,744 --> 00:24:15,580 And I feel that mine are not given the same respect. 630 00:24:15,622 --> 00:24:19,334 The rap on you is that you only bring it up 631 00:24:19,376 --> 00:24:22,003 when you're confronted, that they don't know about it. 632 00:24:22,045 --> 00:24:24,547 In other words, you'll be in the middle of a fight, 633 00:24:24,589 --> 00:24:25,840 and you'll say, 634 00:24:25,882 --> 00:24:28,259 "Well,...'X' is happening or 'Y' is happening." 635 00:24:28,301 --> 00:24:30,637 -So, I can answer that. -Yeah, and I had no idea 636 00:24:30,679 --> 00:24:33,056 that you're going through that with your friend. 637 00:24:33,098 --> 00:24:35,183 With my friend, I found out that morning. 638 00:24:35,225 --> 00:24:37,519 I was extremely upset, 639 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,813 so I kept trying to push it away and push it away, 640 00:24:39,854 --> 00:24:43,108 and I finally just reached a breaking point. I'm human. 641 00:24:43,149 --> 00:24:45,026 And so, yes, that's why it came out at that moment. 642 00:24:45,068 --> 00:24:47,320 I was trying to, like, not deal with it. 643 00:24:47,362 --> 00:24:50,532 Do you see, though, how it can be perceived that way? 644 00:24:50,573 --> 00:24:53,034 I hear what you're saying. I totally hear you, 645 00:24:53,076 --> 00:24:54,577 but you--yeah. -Yes, I do see how it could be 646 00:24:54,619 --> 00:24:56,162 perceived that way because most of the women in this group 647 00:24:56,204 --> 00:24:58,248 don't care enough to bother asking me. 648 00:24:58,289 --> 00:25:00,750 But we do-- I-I personally do care. 649 00:25:00,792 --> 00:25:02,377 LISA: Well, I feel like-- 650 00:25:02,419 --> 00:25:03,837 WHITNEY: That's why I had the conversation with you. 651 00:25:03,878 --> 00:25:06,214 I see both sides in this, too, because I feel like 652 00:25:06,256 --> 00:25:07,882 in some situations, I'm like Meredith, 653 00:25:07,924 --> 00:25:11,261 where I'm trying to do my best, and it's not being appreciated. 654 00:25:11,302 --> 00:25:13,638 So, in that regard, I see Meredith's side, 655 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,765 but I also see, like, how sometimes 656 00:25:15,807 --> 00:25:18,560 it can look like an excuse, so I see both sides. 657 00:25:18,601 --> 00:25:21,563 And I think now that we know that, like, for you, 658 00:25:21,604 --> 00:25:24,607 this is important, you know, that you're like, "Hear me. 659 00:25:24,649 --> 00:25:25,984 Let's talk about it." -WHITNEY: Yeah. 660 00:25:26,026 --> 00:25:27,277 "We can revisit it at another time. 661 00:25:27,318 --> 00:25:29,320 I'm not equipped to deal with it right now, 662 00:25:29,362 --> 00:25:31,364 or it's gonna get ugly"-- I think that's fair. 663 00:25:31,406 --> 00:25:33,950 But, like, you see both sides, too, right? 664 00:25:33,992 --> 00:25:35,326 You just have to see the perception. 665 00:25:35,368 --> 00:25:37,162 -We're hearing you. -That's fine. 666 00:25:37,203 --> 00:25:38,747 You can perceive as you want. 667 00:25:38,788 --> 00:25:41,332 But the reality is, I don't need an excuse. 668 00:25:41,374 --> 00:25:43,752 You've all seen me in a multitude of situations 669 00:25:43,793 --> 00:25:45,295 where it's too heated. 670 00:25:45,337 --> 00:25:46,671 I know it's not gonna get to a positive outcome, 671 00:25:46,713 --> 00:25:48,506 -And you said you disengage. -So, I'm disengaging. 672 00:25:48,548 --> 00:25:50,091 -Yeah. -I don't need an excuse. 673 00:25:50,133 --> 00:25:52,677 Thank you. I'm disengaging. I am not engaging. 674 00:25:52,719 --> 00:25:53,928 JEN: Are you serious?! 675 00:25:53,970 --> 00:25:55,263 ...fucking family... 676 00:25:55,305 --> 00:25:58,933 -Disengage, sweetie! Goodbye! -JEN: Oh, my God! 677 00:25:58,975 --> 00:26:02,437 I have no problem walking out on my own two feet with no excuse, 678 00:26:02,479 --> 00:26:04,105 and you've seen it a hundred times. 679 00:26:04,147 --> 00:26:05,565 -Mm-hmm. -So, to put it on me like 680 00:26:05,607 --> 00:26:09,277 I'm making up excuses and to trivialize things 681 00:26:09,319 --> 00:26:12,489 that were hurting me is just-- it's not nice. 682 00:26:12,530 --> 00:26:14,491 LISA: I think you're more sensitive than everyone thinks. 683 00:26:14,532 --> 00:26:16,034 Well, I don't think that's what we were--Yeah, but I don't-- 684 00:26:16,076 --> 00:26:19,621 Ice--Ice Queen has a heart, and we learned that this season. 685 00:26:19,662 --> 00:26:22,457 Meredith, putting it back on you wasn't to hurt you. 686 00:26:22,499 --> 00:26:24,292 But bringing it up, it was to say, 687 00:26:24,334 --> 00:26:26,336 Meredith, do you see what I'm seeing? 688 00:26:26,378 --> 00:26:28,463 And, Whitney, I think the same can be said for you, too. 689 00:26:28,505 --> 00:26:31,299 Like, everybody processes things in a different way. 690 00:26:31,341 --> 00:26:32,967 Like, when you lost your friend Shari, 691 00:26:33,009 --> 00:26:36,096 I didn't know how to handle it. I do know that I hugged you 692 00:26:36,137 --> 00:26:37,555 as soon as I gave Heather all of her things. 693 00:26:37,597 --> 00:26:39,808 And I asked you, "Are you okay?" 694 00:26:39,849 --> 00:26:41,643 And you said you didn't wanna talk about it right now. 695 00:26:41,685 --> 00:26:43,228 -This is, like, what we've-- -Look how far we've come. 696 00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:45,021 -This is what you could've had. -Look, she's gifting me. 697 00:26:45,063 --> 00:26:46,439 How are you, by the way? Good to see you. 698 00:26:46,481 --> 00:26:48,525 The things that she vowed never to share. 699 00:26:48,566 --> 00:26:49,984 -And you put 'em in any hoodie. -Are you doing okay? 700 00:26:50,026 --> 00:26:51,695 -Are you doing okay? -I know. So sad. 701 00:26:51,736 --> 00:26:54,531 I mean, no, but...I'm here. 702 00:26:54,572 --> 00:26:57,158 It feels like surreal, right? Like, I have chills. 703 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,661 -What are those, Heather? -Are you okay? Like... 704 00:26:59,703 --> 00:27:01,079 They're hoodies, but they're like... 705 00:27:01,121 --> 00:27:02,580 -No? -No, but I'm strong. 706 00:27:02,622 --> 00:27:03,748 -Okay. -Yeah. 707 00:27:03,790 --> 00:27:05,959 I handed her the gifts. I gave you a hug, 708 00:27:06,001 --> 00:27:06,960 and I asked you how you're doing. 709 00:27:07,002 --> 00:27:08,670 And in fact, in Bermuda, you said, 710 00:27:08,712 --> 00:27:10,839 "You asked me how I was doing too many times. 711 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,757 That's what upset me. That's what triggered me." 712 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:14,968 I can tell you our complete conversation. 713 00:27:15,010 --> 00:27:16,553 -So can I. -You said, "I'm strong," 714 00:27:16,594 --> 00:27:17,971 and so I was like, do I back off? 715 00:27:18,013 --> 00:27:20,015 And you said, "I don't wanna talk about it. I'm okay." 716 00:27:20,056 --> 00:27:22,225 You kept saying, "Are you okay? Are you okay? Are you okay?" 717 00:27:22,267 --> 00:27:23,768 I did. I kept checking on you! 718 00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:26,730 And that was, like, antagonizing me to not be okay. 719 00:27:26,771 --> 00:27:29,065 That's--But then if I don't say that, 720 00:27:29,107 --> 00:27:32,527 then I'm not checking in on you, so I'm in a zero win situation. 721 00:27:32,569 --> 00:27:34,279 And you were also clearly triggered by the fact that... 722 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,197 -No. -...I had gifts to give her, 723 00:27:36,239 --> 00:27:37,907 like, from her book signing. -No, no, no, no. 724 00:27:37,949 --> 00:27:39,492 -The truth of it is-- -Whitney, I am not wrong. 725 00:27:39,534 --> 00:27:41,119 I am not wrong. I was dancing on eggshells with you. 726 00:27:41,161 --> 00:27:42,704 -[sighs] -And I care about you. 727 00:27:42,746 --> 00:27:45,081 And my intention was not to hurt you or to be dismissive of you 728 00:27:45,123 --> 00:27:46,624 or to not be-- -Do you see how-- 729 00:27:46,666 --> 00:27:48,001 Do you see how it looked from my perspective? 730 00:27:48,043 --> 00:27:49,961 I saw how it was--I saw how it looked on the show, 731 00:27:50,003 --> 00:27:51,421 and I know how I experienced it because I am very aware of how-- 732 00:27:51,463 --> 00:27:53,882 But do you know how it looks from my perspective? 733 00:27:53,923 --> 00:27:57,302 I was talking to you and Angie exclusively 734 00:27:57,344 --> 00:27:59,721 the days leading it up. -And did I give you any sign 735 00:27:59,763 --> 00:28:01,890 the days leading up that I was not a friend to you 736 00:28:01,931 --> 00:28:03,308 and that I was not attentive to you and that I didn't care? 737 00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:04,476 Yeah, after I called you out at my house, 738 00:28:04,517 --> 00:28:05,977 you started creating distance. -No. 739 00:28:06,019 --> 00:28:07,771 No, that is absolutely not true. 740 00:28:07,812 --> 00:28:09,689 -It is absolutely true. -After you called me out 741 00:28:09,731 --> 00:28:11,316 at your house, you chastised me at your house. 742 00:28:11,358 --> 00:28:12,359 -I did not chastise you. -It wasn't even a call out. 743 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,777 You chastised me over and over again. 744 00:28:13,818 --> 00:28:15,403 You just can't take criticism. "Do you need to leave. 745 00:28:15,445 --> 00:28:16,696 Do you need a break?" -You take everything 746 00:28:16,738 --> 00:28:18,448 as a personal attack. -"Are you okay?" 747 00:28:18,490 --> 00:28:19,866 No, I'm not okay. Because I've given you grace. 748 00:28:19,908 --> 00:28:21,951 Like, there are so many things I sweep under the rug 749 00:28:21,993 --> 00:28:23,119 to make sure we're fine. 750 00:28:23,161 --> 00:28:24,704 -Same. -No, I don't see it. 751 00:28:24,746 --> 00:28:27,040 No. Well, then say what they are right now. 752 00:28:38,468 --> 00:28:39,052 There are so many things 753 00:28:40,261 --> 00:28:42,180 I sweep under the rug to make sure we're fine. 754 00:28:42,222 --> 00:28:43,723 -Same. -No, I don't see-- 755 00:28:43,765 --> 00:28:46,184 No, well, then say what they are right now. 756 00:28:46,226 --> 00:28:47,435 -Let's air it all out. -It's this. 757 00:28:47,477 --> 00:28:48,853 I can't ever have a conversation with you. 758 00:28:48,895 --> 00:28:50,605 -Okay, we're not gonna-- -No, because you're telling me-- 759 00:28:50,647 --> 00:28:51,856 -ANDY: Okay. -You're telling me what happened 760 00:28:51,898 --> 00:28:53,608 when it's on camera. I gave her the stuff, 761 00:28:53,650 --> 00:28:55,527 and as soon as my arms were free, I hugged you 762 00:28:55,568 --> 00:28:57,320 and said to you, "Are you okay?" 763 00:28:57,362 --> 00:28:58,530 And you said you don't wanna talk about it. 764 00:28:58,571 --> 00:29:00,573 You gave off the vibe 765 00:29:00,615 --> 00:29:02,534 that, like, nothing I was gonna do was gonna be okay. 766 00:29:02,575 --> 00:29:04,911 -Oh, my God. -It was-- 767 00:29:04,953 --> 00:29:10,375 I was just irritated that I had seen you going around the room. 768 00:29:10,417 --> 00:29:13,753 I mean, I think for all of us, we all have different history, 769 00:29:13,795 --> 00:29:15,422 we have different experiences. 770 00:29:15,463 --> 00:29:16,923 And if someone says they're hurting, 771 00:29:16,965 --> 00:29:20,385 if someone says something was traumatizing or upsetting, 772 00:29:20,427 --> 00:29:23,513 perhaps the thing to do is to respect that. 773 00:29:23,555 --> 00:29:26,933 And if you--if you don't understand it, ask questions. 774 00:29:26,975 --> 00:29:29,686 Okay. Andy from Beverly Hills said, 775 00:29:29,728 --> 00:29:31,771 "Angie, why were you so quick to forgive Monica 776 00:29:31,813 --> 00:29:33,648 when she was the one spreading the gay rumors 777 00:29:33,690 --> 00:29:36,693 about your husband that literally made him cry, 778 00:29:36,735 --> 00:29:39,154 especially since your daughter's gonna see this in the future?" 779 00:29:39,195 --> 00:29:42,115 Yeah, I think at the time I was really confused because Monica 780 00:29:42,157 --> 00:29:44,909 continued to say, "She's saying this, she's saying that," 781 00:29:44,951 --> 00:29:46,995 so in the moment, I was really focused 782 00:29:47,037 --> 00:29:49,998 on Meredith being the one. -Right. 783 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,084 And when I went to the dessert shop, Monica really cried, 784 00:29:53,126 --> 00:29:55,503 and you know, I'm a very empathetic person. 785 00:29:55,545 --> 00:29:57,505 I felt sorry for her situation with her mom. 786 00:29:57,547 --> 00:29:58,965 I think I gave her a lot of grace. 787 00:29:59,007 --> 00:30:02,844 So, I went backwards and put it back on Meredith, 788 00:30:02,886 --> 00:30:04,637 and that's also why Lisa was hurt because-- 789 00:30:04,679 --> 00:30:06,389 -Oh, I was very hurt. -Hold on. 790 00:30:06,431 --> 00:30:07,724 -Okay. -Let me finish, baby gorgeous. 791 00:30:07,766 --> 00:30:09,142 -[chuckles] -Because I think 792 00:30:09,184 --> 00:30:11,811 we both really knew where it was stemming from, 793 00:30:11,853 --> 00:30:14,064 but I gave her the benefit of the doubt, and I was wrong. 794 00:30:14,105 --> 00:30:15,982 [snickers] 795 00:30:16,024 --> 00:30:17,692 I did. I did. What are you laughing at? 796 00:30:17,734 --> 00:30:19,277 I'm laughing because you keep phrasing it 797 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:21,654 as if I started this rumor. All I did was tell you. 798 00:30:21,696 --> 00:30:23,823 You--You started it on national television. 799 00:30:23,865 --> 00:30:25,658 -I didn't start it. -You doubled-down on it. 800 00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:27,660 You brought it out on national television. 801 00:30:27,702 --> 00:30:30,163 Yes, I said that. I said I repeated it. 802 00:30:30,205 --> 00:30:31,331 But you waited for the cameras. 803 00:30:31,373 --> 00:30:32,999 She also told you I didn't say it to her, 804 00:30:33,041 --> 00:30:35,377 and you believed her instead of me. 805 00:30:35,418 --> 00:30:37,045 Yeah. Yeah. I think the bottom line is, 806 00:30:37,087 --> 00:30:40,632 in hindsight, I regret that I really bought 807 00:30:40,674 --> 00:30:42,592 and fell for everything Monica was saying. 808 00:30:42,634 --> 00:30:43,802 She's lied a lot today. 809 00:30:43,843 --> 00:30:45,845 She's lied a lot, you know, last season. 810 00:30:45,887 --> 00:30:47,347 -Oh, my God. -So, I've learned my lesson. 811 00:30:47,389 --> 00:30:49,015 But in the moment I felt sorry for her, 812 00:30:49,057 --> 00:30:50,975 and I really felt like she cared about me as a friend, 813 00:30:51,017 --> 00:30:54,270 and she never was, so Andy's right. 814 00:30:54,312 --> 00:30:56,940 Estezo from Southern California said, "Angie, how did you feel 815 00:30:56,981 --> 00:30:58,775 about Lisa calling you weak and a liar?" 816 00:30:58,817 --> 00:31:01,486 I hated it. It hurt my feelings because Lisa knows 817 00:31:01,528 --> 00:31:04,197 that I'm not weak. She's seen me address 818 00:31:04,239 --> 00:31:06,741 and confront some really tough situations. 819 00:31:06,783 --> 00:31:09,244 Um, I think Lisa also knows that I'm not a liar. 820 00:31:09,285 --> 00:31:11,705 I've been very forthright as a friend. I'm a loyal friend. 821 00:31:11,746 --> 00:31:14,874 And I think it really takes a lot more strength 822 00:31:14,916 --> 00:31:17,752 to hold your composure, to stay quiet and patient 823 00:31:17,794 --> 00:31:20,005 and loving and kind to a friend, 824 00:31:20,046 --> 00:31:23,049 knowing that they may not have the best response. 825 00:31:23,091 --> 00:31:24,718 -Why did you call her a liar? -I think that for me, 826 00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:27,387 I think for me, why I said that is I felt really hurt. 827 00:31:27,429 --> 00:31:29,848 I feel like I look extremely stupid arguing with her 828 00:31:29,889 --> 00:31:32,559 because I had no idea you guys made up. 829 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,729 I had no idea on Greek Easter that she told you 830 00:31:35,770 --> 00:31:37,939 Meredith was not the start of the rumor. 831 00:31:37,981 --> 00:31:40,066 She said, "It wasn't Meredith. It was me." 832 00:31:40,108 --> 00:31:42,777 So, I'm going in there, thinking I'm a loyal friend, 833 00:31:42,819 --> 00:31:44,738 and I'm being beyond authentic. 834 00:31:44,779 --> 00:31:46,906 And you weren't in the middle of me and Monica, 835 00:31:46,948 --> 00:31:49,242 because I said to you, "If you're good with Monica, 836 00:31:49,284 --> 00:31:51,077 then I really shouldn't have a beef with Monica" 837 00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:52,912 because my whole thing is being loyal to you 838 00:31:52,954 --> 00:31:56,458 and saying what you said about Shawn was wrong, 839 00:31:56,499 --> 00:31:58,918 and I will stand by that every single day. 840 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,754 I think it's a lie, and I think it was wrong. 841 00:32:00,795 --> 00:32:02,047 I don't think you should have ever said it 842 00:32:02,088 --> 00:32:03,423 because we all know it's not true. 843 00:32:03,465 --> 00:32:06,468 And and are we friends? Yes. Was I hurt really badly? 844 00:32:06,509 --> 00:32:09,095 Absolutely. Because I'm like, how are you in the middle? 845 00:32:09,137 --> 00:32:10,513 -I'm taking your side. -Yeah. Okay. 846 00:32:10,555 --> 00:32:11,973 I am taking your side. 847 00:32:12,015 --> 00:32:14,351 And--And I can see why Lisa felt this way. 848 00:32:14,392 --> 00:32:17,896 But the bottom line is, you know, I was very hurt 849 00:32:17,937 --> 00:32:20,023 that you were that quick to say I was weak and I was a liar, 850 00:32:20,065 --> 00:32:21,483 because you know I'm not any of that. Okay? 851 00:32:21,524 --> 00:32:22,692 Well, in the moment, you were lying to me 852 00:32:22,734 --> 00:32:24,361 because you were withholding things. 853 00:32:24,402 --> 00:32:25,653 And I was--And I watched-- 854 00:32:25,695 --> 00:32:26,654 You were withholding information. 855 00:32:26,696 --> 00:32:28,073 -Lying by omission. -Yeah. 856 00:32:28,114 --> 00:32:30,408 I watched our conversation. I took accountability. 857 00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:33,370 I said there were things I would do different moving forward. 858 00:32:33,411 --> 00:32:35,372 I was acknowledging everything 859 00:32:35,413 --> 00:32:37,207 I could have done different to grow as a human. 860 00:32:37,248 --> 00:32:39,918 Lisa, I felt the conversation was very one-sided. 861 00:32:39,959 --> 00:32:42,128 You didn't really do a lot of self-reflecting in the moment. 862 00:32:42,170 --> 00:32:44,422 No, because you were saying-- you were playing both sides. 863 00:32:44,464 --> 00:32:45,924 -I know, and I admitted that. -You were not being 864 00:32:45,965 --> 00:32:47,133 Monica's friend, and you weren't being my friend. 865 00:32:47,175 --> 00:32:48,635 I admitted that I wasn't being forthright. 866 00:32:48,677 --> 00:32:51,012 -Yeah, or mine. -LISA: And that's how I felt. 867 00:32:51,054 --> 00:32:53,640 I just wanna say, the not sharing with Lisa what Monica 868 00:32:53,682 --> 00:32:56,726 told you about me had a massive, massive impact 869 00:32:56,768 --> 00:32:58,812 on my relationship with Lisa. 870 00:32:58,853 --> 00:33:00,188 Yeah, she saw it the way she watched it. 871 00:33:00,230 --> 00:33:01,272 -Oh, you mean in real time. -I watched the show-- 872 00:33:01,314 --> 00:33:02,816 -Got it, got it, got it. -In real time. 873 00:33:02,857 --> 00:33:04,693 Whitney, do you stand by your statement that 874 00:33:04,734 --> 00:33:06,277 Lisa lacks self-awareness... -Yes. 875 00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:08,488 ...and makes every situation about herself? 876 00:33:08,530 --> 00:33:09,823 -I think that from... -Yes. 877 00:33:09,864 --> 00:33:12,200 -Well, yes. -No, I do not. 878 00:33:12,242 --> 00:33:13,785 -ANDY: Okay. -Do I get to defend myself? 879 00:33:13,827 --> 00:33:16,121 -Shut up, honestly. -WHITNEY: But you have already. 880 00:33:16,162 --> 00:33:17,789 No, I don't get to defend myself. 881 00:33:17,831 --> 00:33:20,291 But I-I hate when my intentions are so misinterpreted. 882 00:33:20,333 --> 00:33:22,127 It's like I just speak a different language, 883 00:33:22,168 --> 00:33:23,628 and I think it's like... -No, I think that-- 884 00:33:23,670 --> 00:33:25,046 -...East Coast/West Coast. -I think that 885 00:33:25,088 --> 00:33:27,966 It's actually when you ignore us after a confrontation. 886 00:33:28,008 --> 00:33:30,218 Like, after a confrontation happens, 887 00:33:30,260 --> 00:33:33,722 you don't respond to text, you start, like, creating distance, 888 00:33:33,763 --> 00:33:34,848 that's when it becomes very difficult. 889 00:33:34,889 --> 00:33:36,391 -I do do that. -Because...yes. 890 00:33:36,433 --> 00:33:39,644 I do do that because I would rather take a step back 891 00:33:39,686 --> 00:33:40,854 because, like I told you, I'm a fucking bulldog. 892 00:33:40,895 --> 00:33:42,063 But you have to say you're doing it. 893 00:33:42,105 --> 00:33:44,190 -And I will come hard. -Ugh. 894 00:33:44,232 --> 00:33:46,901 But as your friend, can you just say, "I need space. 895 00:33:46,943 --> 00:33:48,403 I'll talk when I'm ready"? 896 00:33:48,445 --> 00:33:50,196 -Yeah, I can do that. -Instead of just ghosting. 897 00:33:50,238 --> 00:33:51,948 -ANDY: Okay. -It's not a problem. 898 00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:53,408 -It's not a problem to say that. -Whitney, do you really think 899 00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:54,659 you're solely responsible for Lisa's growth as a person? 900 00:33:54,701 --> 00:33:56,119 [scoffs] No. 901 00:33:56,161 --> 00:33:58,038 Lisa at dinner on the first night. 902 00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:00,040 In had nothing to do with that. 903 00:34:00,081 --> 00:34:02,208 What did Whitney mean when she said 904 00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:04,419 no one at the table would understand your friendship? 905 00:34:04,461 --> 00:34:05,962 I think the biggest point she was trying to make 906 00:34:06,004 --> 00:34:07,922 is it's a real friendship, 907 00:34:07,964 --> 00:34:09,883 and that's why even when Heather asked me if you're friends. 908 00:34:09,924 --> 00:34:11,217 Yeah, we're friends, and I'm like-- 909 00:34:11,259 --> 00:34:12,802 Yeah. Every time I asked her, she's like, 910 00:34:12,844 --> 00:34:13,970 "I love Whitney. We are real friends," and I was like... 911 00:34:14,012 --> 00:34:15,722 Yeah, we've built a real relationship. 912 00:34:15,764 --> 00:34:18,016 So, Heather and Lisa, are you two Bad Leather? 913 00:34:18,058 --> 00:34:20,185 -[laughs] -Well, Good Leather. 914 00:34:20,226 --> 00:34:21,478 -LISA: Good Leather. -WHITNEY: That might... 915 00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:22,562 -You're Good Leather. -HEATHER: Good Leather. 916 00:34:22,604 --> 00:34:23,897 -[laughs] -Good Leather. 917 00:34:23,938 --> 00:34:26,274 That was the shadiest thing you've ever said. 918 00:34:26,316 --> 00:34:28,151 Really? That's saying something. 919 00:34:28,193 --> 00:34:29,319 [laughter] 920 00:34:35,992 --> 00:34:37,243 -Everybody's feeding... -All right, let's do this. 921 00:34:37,702 --> 00:34:39,079 30 seconds. 922 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,831 Heather, did anyone bring you an espresso martini? 923 00:34:41,873 --> 00:34:44,250 HEATHER: You did not bring one in, but I-I probably could eat. 924 00:34:44,292 --> 00:34:46,086 -Does anyone-- -Can we all have one? 925 00:34:46,127 --> 00:34:48,004 That would be so amazing. 926 00:34:48,046 --> 00:34:49,506 I have one sitting in my drink holder. 927 00:34:49,547 --> 00:34:51,132 -No, I want one. -I had two sips and then I left 928 00:34:51,174 --> 00:34:52,801 because we-- -No, that would heat us up. 929 00:34:52,842 --> 00:34:54,928 I should have brought it down here. I didn't think about it. 930 00:34:54,969 --> 00:34:56,388 Three...two... 931 00:34:56,429 --> 00:34:57,806 Segment two. Ready one. Segment one. 932 00:34:57,847 --> 00:34:59,474 ANDY: Welcome back. 933 00:34:59,516 --> 00:35:02,143 Well, when it comes to the marriages in this group, 934 00:35:02,185 --> 00:35:03,687 Meredith and Seth weren't the only ones 935 00:35:03,728 --> 00:35:05,313 hanging by a thread. 936 00:35:05,355 --> 00:35:08,191 The most scandalous marital drama this season 937 00:35:08,233 --> 00:35:11,820 was the accusation that behind Angie's giant sunglasses, 938 00:35:11,861 --> 00:35:13,321 she was hiding... 939 00:35:13,363 --> 00:35:16,032 [imitating Meredith] rumors and nastiness... 940 00:35:16,074 --> 00:35:18,618 [normal voice] about her family. Watch. 941 00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:20,954 What the frick's the rumor with Angie K.? 942 00:35:20,995 --> 00:35:25,083 If I wanna go for the jugular and talk about this shit... 943 00:35:31,423 --> 00:35:32,257 I can go there. 944 00:35:32,298 --> 00:35:34,551 Do you know what the rumor is? 945 00:35:34,592 --> 00:35:37,178 *** 946 00:35:37,220 --> 00:35:41,474 The rumor is that Shawn likes to fuck other men. 947 00:35:41,516 --> 00:35:44,686 *** 948 00:35:44,728 --> 00:35:46,229 Gay, straight, whatever. 949 00:35:46,271 --> 00:35:48,356 It's the adultery part of it that's bad. 950 00:35:48,398 --> 00:35:49,649 [voice breaking] Elektra's gonna hear about this, 951 00:35:49,691 --> 00:35:53,194 and it kills me to think that she would ever think 952 00:35:53,236 --> 00:35:55,030 that I would do something like this. 953 00:35:55,071 --> 00:35:56,364 *** 954 00:35:56,406 --> 00:35:58,366 Whitney, at what point did Justin 955 00:35:58,408 --> 00:36:00,869 stop wearing his wedding ring, and why? 956 00:36:00,910 --> 00:36:04,039 You know, it was never really about the wedding ring itself. 957 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,790 It was more about the pressure I was feeling 958 00:36:05,832 --> 00:36:09,627 of the change in our dynamic, because I actually feel bad. 959 00:36:09,669 --> 00:36:12,172 The wedding ring stopped fitting him. 960 00:36:12,213 --> 00:36:13,757 -Okay. -And I wasn't made aware of that 961 00:36:13,798 --> 00:36:15,675 until he showed me 962 00:36:15,717 --> 00:36:18,094 that it physically was uncomfortable for him. 963 00:36:18,136 --> 00:36:19,346 And, you know, 964 00:36:19,387 --> 00:36:21,723 my man is a big man. -Yeah. 965 00:36:21,765 --> 00:36:24,559 After that moment, he started wearing it on his necklace. 966 00:36:24,601 --> 00:36:28,730 -How are the two of you doing? -We're doing much better. 967 00:36:28,772 --> 00:36:33,318 Much better. I think that-- we've been married for 14 years. 968 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,695 14 years is a long time. Ups and downs. 969 00:36:35,737 --> 00:36:37,155 And if you look at everything that I've brought, 970 00:36:37,197 --> 00:36:39,199 just in my own trauma into the marriage, 971 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:43,078 it's--Justin is an incredible human being. 972 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:44,913 -LISA: He's a saint. -He's a good guy. 973 00:36:44,954 --> 00:36:46,414 WHITNEY: And therapy's helped a lot. 974 00:36:46,456 --> 00:36:48,291 Lisa, you and Whitney were very close this season. 975 00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:50,710 Were you aware of the problems she was having with Justin? 976 00:36:50,752 --> 00:36:53,505 No. One time she made a comment at the roller skating rink 977 00:36:53,546 --> 00:36:55,924 that, like, she was upset with Justin, 978 00:36:55,965 --> 00:36:58,677 and she quipped at him quickly, 979 00:36:58,718 --> 00:37:00,762 and that was it. That was the extent of it. 980 00:37:00,804 --> 00:37:02,097 She--She didn't go into detail, 981 00:37:02,138 --> 00:37:04,015 and they seem happy and fine, so... 982 00:37:04,057 --> 00:37:07,310 Hindsight, Andy, it wasn't really about our relationship. 983 00:37:07,352 --> 00:37:09,896 It was about everything that has happened 984 00:37:09,938 --> 00:37:11,731 over the last couple of years. 985 00:37:11,773 --> 00:37:12,732 -Right. -Me going through 986 00:37:12,774 --> 00:37:14,818 a lot of trauma work, 987 00:37:14,859 --> 00:37:16,444 like, friendships changing. 988 00:37:16,486 --> 00:37:18,071 Like, Heather and I's friendship breakup 989 00:37:18,113 --> 00:37:21,116 took a major toll on me in this situation. 990 00:37:21,157 --> 00:37:23,076 -And on me and Justin. -And--And I was-- 991 00:37:23,118 --> 00:37:24,619 -Yes. Yeah. -I had a lot on my plate. 992 00:37:24,661 --> 00:37:26,705 And the... [imitates Meredith] the husbands... 993 00:37:26,746 --> 00:37:28,248 [normal voice] are the ones we take it out on. 994 00:37:28,289 --> 00:37:29,499 -ANDY: Yeah. -Mm-hmm. 995 00:37:29,541 --> 00:37:30,917 And Justin is a man of few words. 996 00:37:30,959 --> 00:37:33,628 -He's not the best communicator. -By the way, you've said 997 00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:35,463 that you don't believe people are meant to be monogamous. 998 00:37:35,505 --> 00:37:37,090 -No, I think that it takes work. -How does that play 999 00:37:37,132 --> 00:37:38,675 into your relationship? 1000 00:37:38,717 --> 00:37:41,886 How does that play into your relationship? 1001 00:37:41,928 --> 00:37:44,222 -It doesn't play into it. -Okay. 1002 00:37:44,264 --> 00:37:45,640 -It wasn't a tease? -ANDY: Right. 1003 00:37:45,682 --> 00:37:47,642 I was like, what is Whitney setting down here? 1004 00:37:47,684 --> 00:37:49,019 [laughter] 1005 00:37:49,060 --> 00:37:51,813 No, I-I think...like, 1006 00:37:51,855 --> 00:37:53,815 do you--the sentiment was is that it takes a lot of work 1007 00:37:53,857 --> 00:37:55,358 to stay married. -ANDY: Yeah. 1008 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,318 Meredith, you and Seth had seen other people 1009 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,237 when you've been separated. 1010 00:37:59,279 --> 00:38:02,115 Does that make you appreciate him more? 1011 00:38:02,157 --> 00:38:04,868 -I mean, in--in my case, 100%. -Yeah. 1012 00:38:04,909 --> 00:38:06,327 I don't know if it always works that way for people, 1013 00:38:06,369 --> 00:38:09,831 but in--in our case, it--100%. 1014 00:38:09,873 --> 00:38:11,916 All right. Monica, news of your divorce 1015 00:38:11,958 --> 00:38:13,960 has been in the press recently. 1016 00:38:14,002 --> 00:38:18,214 Uh, you said at BravoCon it was finalized in October. 1017 00:38:18,256 --> 00:38:20,133 How does it feel to be officially divorced? 1018 00:38:22,344 --> 00:38:25,388 I don't know. I mean, I f-- I felt-- 1019 00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:27,390 we've been separated for two and a half years. 1020 00:38:27,432 --> 00:38:29,309 -Yeah. -So, it's-- 1021 00:38:29,351 --> 00:38:30,769 kinda just feels the same, honestly. 1022 00:38:30,810 --> 00:38:34,647 I-I read that you're gonna get $6,600 a month 1023 00:38:34,689 --> 00:38:36,816 in, um, child support. 1024 00:38:36,858 --> 00:38:39,986 That has to feel good. 1025 00:38:40,028 --> 00:38:41,738 Yeah, I guess. 1026 00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:43,782 No? I mean... 1027 00:38:43,823 --> 00:38:45,075 it's support. 1028 00:38:45,116 --> 00:38:46,701 MONICA: Yeah, it is. 1029 00:38:46,743 --> 00:38:48,411 -ANDY: Um... -It's good support. 1030 00:38:48,453 --> 00:38:50,997 In your divorce documents, I guess it said 1031 00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:52,916 that your company had zero value. 1032 00:38:52,957 --> 00:38:54,542 Is--Could that be true? 1033 00:38:54,584 --> 00:38:57,087 Yeah, when COVID hit, I just shut everything down. 1034 00:38:57,128 --> 00:38:58,880 -Oh, you did? -Mm-hmm. 1035 00:38:58,922 --> 00:39:00,965 So, it's not going right now? 1036 00:39:01,007 --> 00:39:02,550 You know, with the show, it got-- 1037 00:39:02,592 --> 00:39:04,010 You should get it going with the sh-- 1038 00:39:04,052 --> 00:39:05,345 -Yeah, but-- -I was gonna say, 1039 00:39:05,387 --> 00:39:06,471 I helped you with the photo shoot. 1040 00:39:06,513 --> 00:39:07,722 -Yeah. Yeah. -ANDY: You should-- 1041 00:39:07,764 --> 00:39:09,224 Yeah, and I bought blankets for friends. 1042 00:39:09,265 --> 00:39:10,558 -No, I wanna restart it. -You should, immediately. 1043 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:11,935 I haven't gotten them yet, but I ordered 'em. 1044 00:39:11,976 --> 00:39:13,228 But manufacturing stopped. 1045 00:39:13,269 --> 00:39:14,479 I feel like everyone in the world knows... 1046 00:39:14,521 --> 00:39:15,689 -Right. -...when COVID happened, 1047 00:39:15,730 --> 00:39:17,273 everything shut down. -ANDY: Right. 1048 00:39:17,315 --> 00:39:18,858 -That's when my biggest boom-- -And I pretty much shut down. 1049 00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:20,735 So, when they went back on our taxes and, "What did 1050 00:39:20,777 --> 00:39:23,279 you make '20, '21, '20..." -Right. 1051 00:39:23,321 --> 00:39:24,906 -...I didn't have any income. -Got it. 1052 00:39:24,948 --> 00:39:26,449 Yeah, but it's active now. You can buy blankets today. 1053 00:39:26,491 --> 00:39:28,618 -Yes. -Got it. Uh-- 1054 00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:30,912 And are people getting them delivered when they buy them? 1055 00:39:30,954 --> 00:39:33,206 Because they were complaining online that they were not. 1056 00:39:33,248 --> 00:39:34,582 I know, because I didn't have enough-- 1057 00:39:34,624 --> 00:39:36,710 I didn't expect people to buy that much. 1058 00:39:36,751 --> 00:39:38,920 -Yeah, yeah. They're... -So, I had to reorder, 1059 00:39:38,962 --> 00:39:42,465 and I've refunded a lot of orders, actually. 1060 00:39:42,507 --> 00:39:46,636 Um, it was sad seeing Shawn... 1061 00:39:46,678 --> 00:39:50,056 get emotional about the cheating allegations. 1062 00:39:50,098 --> 00:39:52,600 How are you, Shawn, and Elektra doing 1063 00:39:52,642 --> 00:39:54,436 after all this has aired and everything? 1064 00:39:54,477 --> 00:39:58,106 Doing great. Um, I think, you know, the big thing is 1065 00:39:58,148 --> 00:39:59,607 you know, there's a couple weeks in there 1066 00:39:59,649 --> 00:40:01,151 where you're hearing about it on the internet, 1067 00:40:01,192 --> 00:40:02,694 you're hearing about it in your business 1068 00:40:02,736 --> 00:40:05,864 because, you know, someone felt like they should drop that 1069 00:40:05,905 --> 00:40:07,741 on national television. 1070 00:40:07,782 --> 00:40:10,035 You had never heard this rumor before? 1071 00:40:10,076 --> 00:40:11,369 No, and I'm gonna be really clear 1072 00:40:11,411 --> 00:40:13,371 'cause I feel like there was a lot of confusion. 1073 00:40:13,413 --> 00:40:15,457 30 years ago when Shawn and I first met, 1074 00:40:15,498 --> 00:40:17,250 people would say, "Ooh, that guy's hot," 1075 00:40:17,292 --> 00:40:19,210 or "He has nice legs" while he's doing hair. 1076 00:40:19,252 --> 00:40:21,546 "Is he gay?" "No, that's his wife over there." 1077 00:40:21,588 --> 00:40:23,631 Once it was established that we were a couple 1078 00:40:23,673 --> 00:40:25,884 in Salt Lake City, it wasn't brought up, right? 1079 00:40:25,925 --> 00:40:29,721 So, to have this suddenly, 30 years later, 1080 00:40:29,763 --> 00:40:32,182 that there's men bragging about the sex, 1081 00:40:32,223 --> 00:40:34,934 Shawn fucks men, this has never come up 1082 00:40:34,976 --> 00:40:38,229 until this rat came out of the sewer, and here it is. 1083 00:40:38,271 --> 00:40:39,814 -Ha ha. [laughs] -ANDY: Um... 1084 00:40:39,856 --> 00:40:41,608 Don't act like it's a first you've been called a rat, 1085 00:40:41,649 --> 00:40:43,318 Monica, and don't-- -It's not! 1086 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,652 -That's why I'm laughing. -It's not funny. 1087 00:40:44,694 --> 00:40:46,446 You should come up with something else. 1088 00:40:46,488 --> 00:40:48,865 And I was not mean to you at all during filming. 1089 00:40:48,907 --> 00:40:50,325 -HEATHER: You were mean. -You were mean. 1090 00:40:50,367 --> 00:40:51,659 -No, I wasn't. -You were mean. 1091 00:40:51,701 --> 00:40:52,911 -I was not mean to you, Angie. -You were mean. 1092 00:40:52,952 --> 00:40:54,371 You backstabbed me right in front of my face. 1093 00:40:54,412 --> 00:40:56,623 How is that different than you telling her 1094 00:40:56,664 --> 00:41:00,377 she lays on her back and spreads her legs, but I'm evil? 1095 00:41:00,418 --> 00:41:02,504 -Don't talk about my marriage. -Don't touch me. 1096 00:41:02,545 --> 00:41:05,131 -Run away, Meredith! -I don't speak to people 1097 00:41:05,173 --> 00:41:06,966 who treat me with disrespect! -The only one that spreads 1098 00:41:07,008 --> 00:41:09,260 their legs outside their marriage is you. 1099 00:41:09,302 --> 00:41:10,512 Not me, honey. Not me. 1100 00:41:10,553 --> 00:41:12,055 Meredith didn't pretend to be my friend. 1101 00:41:12,097 --> 00:41:14,015 -I'm evil? I'm evil? -That's the difference. 1102 00:41:14,057 --> 00:41:15,684 You pretended to be my friend. 1103 00:41:15,725 --> 00:41:17,560 Meredith, you never elaborated on... 1104 00:41:17,602 --> 00:41:19,688 [imitates Meredith] the rumors and nastiness... 1105 00:41:19,729 --> 00:41:21,564 [normal voice] ...in Angie's marriage, 1106 00:41:21,606 --> 00:41:24,984 but you did dangle that carrot first in front of Lisa 1107 00:41:25,026 --> 00:41:28,321 at the restaurant and then to Whitney at the airport. 1108 00:41:28,363 --> 00:41:31,074 What was your motivation in doing so 1109 00:41:31,116 --> 00:41:34,160 if not to get one of them to say the rumor on camera? 1110 00:41:34,202 --> 00:41:36,955 Well, first of all, I didn't say it was for marriage, and-- 1111 00:41:36,996 --> 00:41:39,541 You said, "Do you want me to talk about the husband?" 1112 00:41:39,582 --> 00:41:41,126 -Yes. That's what I said. -And the family. 1113 00:41:41,167 --> 00:41:43,628 -Well, that's kind of implying-- -I actually have the exact words 1114 00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:46,256 if we would like to go back to it, that's fine. 1115 00:41:46,297 --> 00:41:48,341 -Okay. -What I said exactly. 1116 00:41:48,383 --> 00:41:50,385 -Okay. -"If I want to go 1117 00:41:50,427 --> 00:41:53,013 for the jugular and talk about that--this shit, 1118 00:41:53,054 --> 00:41:57,225 the rumors, the nastiness, we can do that. You know what? 1119 00:41:57,267 --> 00:41:59,436 You want me to go there with her... [emphasis] husband?" 1120 00:41:59,477 --> 00:42:01,438 -[laughter] -"I can go there. 1121 00:42:01,479 --> 00:42:02,897 Don't fuck with me. Tell her to fuck off." 1122 00:42:02,939 --> 00:42:05,150 Okay. Well, that seems like you're dangling a rumor 1123 00:42:05,191 --> 00:42:06,860 about a husband. -Correct. 1124 00:42:06,901 --> 00:42:08,737 I didn't say in their marriage, though, did I? 1125 00:42:08,778 --> 00:42:11,156 -That's semantics. -So...I don't know. 1126 00:42:11,197 --> 00:42:13,658 What is the difference? 1127 00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:17,412 The difference is there could be rumors pertaining to her husband 1128 00:42:17,454 --> 00:42:18,872 that have nothing to do with their marriage. 1129 00:42:18,913 --> 00:42:20,498 -MONICA: Or rumors about Angie. -Or about Angie 1130 00:42:20,540 --> 00:42:22,167 or about anyone else. -ANDY: Okay. Okay, so let's-- 1131 00:42:22,208 --> 00:42:23,710 There are rumors about everyone. 1132 00:42:23,752 --> 00:42:25,003 -ANDY: Okay, fine. Okay. -Let's make that clear. 1133 00:42:25,045 --> 00:42:27,088 -It's not that deep. -Let's go more globally 1134 00:42:27,130 --> 00:42:33,928 and say you dangled the rumors in front of Lisa and Whitney. 1135 00:42:33,970 --> 00:42:37,515 So, were you doing it in order to get someone else 1136 00:42:37,557 --> 00:42:39,142 to bring them up on camera? 1137 00:42:39,184 --> 00:42:40,769 -No. -Okay. 1138 00:42:40,810 --> 00:42:45,482 In front of Lisa, I was having a reaction to Angie's behavior 1139 00:42:45,523 --> 00:42:46,733 towards me... -ANDY: At the table. 1140 00:42:46,775 --> 00:42:49,486 ...after I'd been heavily provoked, 1141 00:42:49,527 --> 00:42:51,196 had a couple of drinks... -Yes. 1142 00:42:51,237 --> 00:42:53,531 ...and had some other very heavy things on my mind. 1143 00:42:53,573 --> 00:42:55,033 -That was out of anger. -Well, no, I told you-- 1144 00:42:55,075 --> 00:42:56,618 MEREDITH: I didn't even believe what I had heard. 1145 00:42:56,659 --> 00:42:58,328 Hold on, hold on. Angie, I wanna know what you think. 1146 00:42:58,370 --> 00:43:02,624 Based on what Monica repeated, you were threatening rumors 1147 00:43:02,665 --> 00:43:04,709 that were about my husband's sexuality. 1148 00:43:04,751 --> 00:43:07,212 It's not right to do this to people with families, 1149 00:43:07,253 --> 00:43:09,130 with small children, with businesses. 1150 00:43:09,172 --> 00:43:11,299 I am a pillar in the community in Salt Lake City, 1151 00:43:11,341 --> 00:43:14,636 and I have always had a really incredible reputation. 1152 00:43:14,678 --> 00:43:16,763 Because we don't have footage of you-- 1153 00:43:16,805 --> 00:43:18,556 At the minimum, you called me a fraud. 1154 00:43:18,598 --> 00:43:20,809 I have multiple personality disorder. 1155 00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:22,560 I'm a lying bitch. You criticized my marriage. 1156 00:43:22,602 --> 00:43:23,895 You criticized my business. 1157 00:43:23,937 --> 00:43:25,397 You threatened to take a hit on my family. 1158 00:43:25,438 --> 00:43:27,065 You called me a trampoline with eyes... 1159 00:43:27,107 --> 00:43:28,733 -That was a compliment. -...an addict, 1160 00:43:28,775 --> 00:43:30,527 that I've used my son as a pawn to take the heat off me 1161 00:43:30,568 --> 00:43:32,821 for rumors that I did not spread, 1162 00:43:32,862 --> 00:43:34,823 that I was going to get fired. -Okay, I can't keep up. 1163 00:43:34,864 --> 00:43:36,825 -Let's do this one by one. -So, that's why I started rumors 1164 00:43:36,866 --> 00:43:39,494 about you, that you made me relevant, 1165 00:43:39,536 --> 00:43:41,538 and you threatened me in the cave, 1166 00:43:41,579 --> 00:43:42,664 -Well, okay-- -And those are just a few 1167 00:43:42,706 --> 00:43:44,124 I could think of off the top of my head. 1168 00:43:44,165 --> 00:43:47,043 Okay, okay. This is great. I do think I activated you. 1169 00:43:54,384 --> 00:43:55,343 I have multiple personality disorder. 1170 00:43:56,594 --> 00:43:58,930 I'm a lying bitch. You criticized my marriage. 1171 00:43:58,972 --> 00:44:01,016 You called me a trampoline with eyes... 1172 00:44:01,057 --> 00:44:02,559 Okay, I can't keep up. Let's do this one by one. 1173 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,019 ...that I'm going to get fired, 1174 00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:05,603 so that's why I started rumors about you, 1175 00:44:05,645 --> 00:44:07,147 that you made me relevant, 1176 00:44:07,188 --> 00:44:08,690 and you threatened me in the cave. 1177 00:44:08,732 --> 00:44:09,858 -Okay. -And those are just a few 1178 00:44:09,899 --> 00:44:11,693 I could think of off the top of my head. 1179 00:44:11,735 --> 00:44:14,029 Okay, okay. This is great. I do think I activated you. 1180 00:44:14,070 --> 00:44:15,697 And you're welcome. Hey. 1181 00:44:15,739 --> 00:44:16,948 [laughs] Oh, no. Angie's being funny. 1182 00:44:16,990 --> 00:44:18,533 I don't know what to say about that. Um... 1183 00:44:18,575 --> 00:44:20,702 I didn't need your help, Angie. I've done pretty fine being 1184 00:44:20,744 --> 00:44:22,245 relevant on my own without you. -I didn't say you had multiple-- 1185 00:44:22,287 --> 00:44:24,039 Look, I didn't say you had multiple personality disorder. 1186 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,749 -Oh, you did. -Your voice was changing. 1187 00:44:25,790 --> 00:44:27,208 It's in the press. You did. 1188 00:44:27,250 --> 00:44:29,169 I don't really, truly believe that. 1189 00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:31,338 -Well, you said it. -It was a joke about you having 1190 00:44:31,379 --> 00:44:32,839 multiple different voices. -WHITNEY: She told me 1191 00:44:32,881 --> 00:44:34,257 you were--your intention was not to do that. 1192 00:44:34,299 --> 00:44:35,467 And I would rather call you a trampoline with eyes-- 1193 00:44:35,508 --> 00:44:36,968 that means you have nice, tight skin-- 1194 00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:38,136 than say that you're wrinkly, 1195 00:44:38,178 --> 00:44:40,055 so I would take that as a compliment. 1196 00:44:40,096 --> 00:44:42,474 Um, Angie, you screamed, "The only one who spreads 1197 00:44:42,515 --> 00:44:45,185 their legs outside their marriage is you." 1198 00:44:45,226 --> 00:44:47,228 What exactly were you referring to? 1199 00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:49,564 Um, Meredith, I'm gonna be honest. 1200 00:44:49,606 --> 00:44:52,233 Uh, basically, I was told that you and your husband 1201 00:44:52,275 --> 00:44:54,652 were seeing other people, and that's why that came out. 1202 00:44:54,694 --> 00:44:56,279 I'm sorry that I said that. 1203 00:44:56,321 --> 00:44:59,616 It was basically in response to rumors. 1204 00:44:59,657 --> 00:45:01,201 I think it's really sad 1205 00:45:01,242 --> 00:45:05,121 for women to poke and prod at another woman 1206 00:45:05,163 --> 00:45:08,166 for being honest about marital problems 1207 00:45:08,208 --> 00:45:11,878 and to try to weaponize that against her at a later date 1208 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,630 when they're really happy. 1209 00:45:13,672 --> 00:45:14,881 I think--I think it's just shitty. 1210 00:45:14,923 --> 00:45:16,091 -I-I agree with that. -But, Meredith, when you 1211 00:45:16,132 --> 00:45:17,509 bring up other marriages-- -I agree 100%. 1212 00:45:17,550 --> 00:45:19,302 I never brought up your marriage, Angie. 1213 00:45:19,344 --> 00:45:20,845 You brought up Lisa's marriage, 1214 00:45:20,887 --> 00:45:22,097 and then you said things about my-- 1215 00:45:22,138 --> 00:45:24,432 MEREDITH: I did not talk about your marriage. 1216 00:45:24,474 --> 00:45:25,809 So, it just naturally comes back down. That's how this works. 1217 00:45:25,850 --> 00:45:27,435 You say one thing, someone else brings up another. 1218 00:45:27,477 --> 00:45:28,478 It's like, oh, really? You're saying this? 1219 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,355 Well, guess what you said a year ago? 1220 00:45:30,397 --> 00:45:33,566 Okay, so don't you wanna do better rather than doing worse? 1221 00:45:33,608 --> 00:45:35,276 So, we should stay silent when you threaten our marriage? 1222 00:45:35,318 --> 00:45:36,861 If I wanna--if I wanna one up everything you said about me... 1223 00:45:36,903 --> 00:45:38,279 No. No. No. 1224 00:45:38,321 --> 00:45:40,865 ...it will go south really fast. I don't want to. 1225 00:45:40,907 --> 00:45:43,034 I wanna be a better person for me. 1226 00:45:43,076 --> 00:45:44,619 -LISA: Okay. -Okay. So if I say something, 1227 00:45:44,661 --> 00:45:46,287 you're gonna sit there and stay silent? That's what happens. 1228 00:45:46,329 --> 00:45:47,997 -We all do this... -I pretty much did 1229 00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:49,708 until I lost my temper. -It's a back and forth. 1230 00:45:49,749 --> 00:45:52,043 All right. Ira Madison III tweeted, 1231 00:45:52,085 --> 00:45:53,753 "Whitney definitely used Monica to be the one 1232 00:45:53,795 --> 00:45:58,091 to bring the rumor up on camera in her villain era. 1233 00:45:58,133 --> 00:46:00,051 Whitney, how do you respond to that?" 1234 00:46:00,093 --> 00:46:02,137 It's--It's absolutely not true. 1235 00:46:02,178 --> 00:46:05,390 One, this is a very tricky situation because 1236 00:46:05,432 --> 00:46:08,018 I never knew about the rumors. I did not know what they were. 1237 00:46:08,059 --> 00:46:10,186 The first time I heard about the rumor was 1238 00:46:10,228 --> 00:46:13,314 when Lisa came into my room in Palm Springs and said, 1239 00:46:13,356 --> 00:46:16,484 "Meredith said this about Angie's family." 1240 00:46:16,526 --> 00:46:19,112 She's like, "I know stuff about their family." 1241 00:46:19,154 --> 00:46:21,990 And I'm like, not this again. Oh, my God. 1242 00:46:22,032 --> 00:46:24,117 First of all, I just want to start by saying 1243 00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:28,079 I don't blame Whitney for what comes out of my mouth. 1244 00:46:28,121 --> 00:46:29,956 -Like, I say what I wanna say. -ANDY: Okay. 1245 00:46:29,998 --> 00:46:31,875 So, I don't want her to get blamed for that. 1246 00:46:31,916 --> 00:46:33,335 Thank you for that, Monica. 1247 00:46:33,376 --> 00:46:36,379 I-I just want to say that Monica was determined 1248 00:46:36,421 --> 00:46:39,174 for this to come out about me, this... 1249 00:46:39,215 --> 00:46:40,508 -No, I wasn't. -...this alleged story, 1250 00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:42,177 Because she went around to everyone in this group 1251 00:46:42,218 --> 00:46:44,637 and said there were rumors about me 1252 00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:46,139 in the first week of filming, when I thought 1253 00:46:46,181 --> 00:46:47,599 that we were friends. 1254 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,142 She was determined to come on national television. 1255 00:46:49,184 --> 00:46:51,227 I literally did not ever tell Whitney that rumor. 1256 00:46:51,269 --> 00:46:53,188 I'm talking! Keep your big mouth shut. This is my marriage. 1257 00:46:53,229 --> 00:46:54,481 -This is my moment. -[sighs loudly] 1258 00:46:54,522 --> 00:46:55,815 You have no respect for love and marriage. 1259 00:46:55,857 --> 00:46:57,108 This is your moment. You're right. 1260 00:46:57,150 --> 00:46:58,276 -You finally made it. -So you need to zip it. 1261 00:46:58,318 --> 00:46:59,569 You Finally made it four seasons later. 1262 00:46:59,611 --> 00:47:01,154 -I made it? -Yep. 1263 00:47:01,196 --> 00:47:02,906 Bitch, I deserve to be here 'cause I check all the clauses, 1264 00:47:02,947 --> 00:47:04,616 Well, she could say that about you, too. 1265 00:47:04,657 --> 00:47:06,868 Your fucking Range Rover under a fucking carport. 1266 00:47:06,910 --> 00:47:09,371 ANDY: All right. 1267 00:47:09,412 --> 00:47:10,705 -You're irresponsible. -Are you insane? 1268 00:47:10,747 --> 00:47:12,374 And you're sending a bad message to your daughters. 1269 00:47:12,415 --> 00:47:13,792 Keep my fucking kids out of your fucking mouth, 1270 00:47:13,833 --> 00:47:15,210 you piece of shit! -Fuck off, bitch. 1271 00:47:15,251 --> 00:47:16,836 -You talked about mine. -You fucking... 1272 00:47:16,878 --> 00:47:18,421 Fuck off. 1273 00:47:20,924 --> 00:47:22,884 ANDY: Next week it's part two 1274 00:47:22,926 --> 00:47:25,595 of "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" reunion. 1275 00:47:25,637 --> 00:47:28,306 Jack Barlow was recently seen in California. 1276 00:47:28,348 --> 00:47:30,141 -Did he not go to Colombia? -He bounced on his mission. 1277 00:47:30,183 --> 00:47:31,893 He's not going. 1278 00:47:31,935 --> 00:47:34,229 You relentlessly came after me 1279 00:47:34,270 --> 00:47:35,980 for supporting Jack in the mission, 1280 00:47:36,022 --> 00:47:37,941 and you called me a hypocrite over it. 1281 00:47:37,982 --> 00:47:41,653 Lisa accused you of stalking Jen's house. 1282 00:47:41,695 --> 00:47:43,613 You're a mother with four kids and single! 1283 00:47:43,655 --> 00:47:45,365 Why are you driving by Jen Shah's house?! 1284 00:47:45,407 --> 00:47:47,283 -I never fucking did that shit! -Sit. Sit. 1285 00:47:47,325 --> 00:47:48,993 You sit! 1286 00:47:49,035 --> 00:47:53,081 Lisa and Angie are relentless with me. 1287 00:47:53,123 --> 00:47:54,916 That's unacceptable. 1288 00:47:54,958 --> 00:47:56,876 Did you feel that you needed Mary back 1289 00:47:56,918 --> 00:47:58,586 this season to help out? 1290 00:47:58,628 --> 00:48:01,381 There was some comedic relief in there that was good. 1291 00:48:01,423 --> 00:48:04,968 Angie, this is your first year. Why are you even answering? 1292 00:48:05,010 --> 00:48:06,761 Heather, shut the fuck up. 1293 00:48:06,803 --> 00:48:08,346 -[bleep] -She's--Wow. 1294 00:48:08,388 --> 00:48:10,223 -...is Reality Von (Tea)se. -It's six people. 1295 00:48:10,265 --> 00:48:12,809 -You're Reality Von (Tea)se. -It's six people, Lisa. 1296 00:48:12,851 --> 00:48:14,102 -It's not. -And you don't know what 1297 00:48:14,144 --> 00:48:16,146 you're talk-- Are you serious?! 1298 00:48:16,187 --> 00:48:19,357 ***