1 00:00:02,252 --> 00:00:02,877 ANDY: Tonight, part two 2 00:00:04,254 --> 00:00:06,840 of "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" reunion. 3 00:00:06,881 --> 00:00:09,926 Did someone get thrown down a staircase or something? 4 00:00:09,968 --> 00:00:11,469 I went to grab the railing. 5 00:00:11,511 --> 00:00:12,971 There was no railing, and I just... 6 00:00:13,013 --> 00:00:15,181 But then you threatened to sue me. 7 00:00:15,223 --> 00:00:17,017 I had a conversation with Meredith. 8 00:00:17,058 --> 00:00:18,476 She said, "Do you want her house? 9 00:00:18,518 --> 00:00:20,395 You could take her house." 10 00:00:20,437 --> 00:00:23,982 Meredith. Did she say that? 11 00:00:24,024 --> 00:00:27,402 You relentlessly came after me for supporting Jack 12 00:00:27,444 --> 00:00:29,654 in the mission, and you called me a hypocrite over it. 13 00:00:29,696 --> 00:00:30,989 Ugh. [sighs] 14 00:00:31,031 --> 00:00:33,450 -Mary M. -Hi. 15 00:00:33,491 --> 00:00:34,701 [singsongy] Look who's here. 16 00:00:34,743 --> 00:00:36,661 -Ugh. Ooh. I am okay. -MAN: Yes, you are. 17 00:00:36,703 --> 00:00:38,371 -HEATHER: Mary down. -Heather... 18 00:00:38,413 --> 00:00:40,373 I did like you until I seen your interview. 19 00:00:40,415 --> 00:00:42,375 You start talking about my house, like, saying... 20 00:00:42,417 --> 00:00:44,044 [mockingly] "This is gonna... It's--It's... 21 00:00:44,085 --> 00:00:46,463 you get a tour of Mary's house" and, like, making fun. 22 00:00:46,504 --> 00:00:48,548 You called Heather inbred. 23 00:00:48,590 --> 00:00:52,761 -I know, so what's worse? -My house comment's worse. 24 00:00:52,802 --> 00:00:54,054 What did you think of what 25 00:00:54,095 --> 00:00:56,556 the women discovered about Monica? 26 00:00:56,598 --> 00:00:59,434 I have no idea who the troll account is. 27 00:00:59,476 --> 00:01:02,979 Would you care if that account called you a dumb bitch? 28 00:01:03,021 --> 00:01:05,357 You called Mary a dumb bitch. That's why you're speaking up. 29 00:01:05,398 --> 00:01:07,442 No one called-- No, I'm saying... 30 00:01:08,860 --> 00:01:10,695 You've never called someone a dumb bitch? 31 00:01:13,490 --> 00:01:16,242 ANGIE: Bitch, I deserve to be here 'cause... 32 00:01:16,284 --> 00:01:17,827 [all speaking at once] 33 00:01:17,869 --> 00:01:20,705 ...you fucking Range Rover under a fucking carport. 34 00:01:23,333 --> 00:01:24,751 -You're irresponsible... -Are you insane? 35 00:01:24,793 --> 00:01:26,294 ...and you're sending a bad message to your daughters. 36 00:01:26,336 --> 00:01:27,754 Keep my fucking kids out of your fucking mouth, 37 00:01:27,796 --> 00:01:29,214 you piece of shit. -Fuck off, bitch. 38 00:01:29,255 --> 00:01:30,965 -You talked about mine. -You fucking... 39 00:01:31,007 --> 00:01:32,926 Fuck off. Nobody wants you here. 40 00:01:32,967 --> 00:01:35,762 No--Okay, thank you. Thank you. I'm very well aware. 41 00:01:35,804 --> 00:01:36,971 So-- 42 00:01:37,013 --> 00:01:38,181 Is there any way to make it a little warmer? 43 00:01:38,223 --> 00:01:40,767 It is so cold, and she's, like, dying. 44 00:01:40,809 --> 00:01:43,561 Okay, yeah. Can we make it a little warmer in here? 45 00:01:43,603 --> 00:01:46,648 Okay, let's move on. Well, in the "Housewives" universe, 46 00:01:46,690 --> 00:01:50,110 we've seen scuffling sisters, clashing cousins, 47 00:01:50,151 --> 00:01:54,155 and a very controversial step-grandfather. 48 00:01:54,197 --> 00:01:58,451 But one of the most dramatic family dynamics we have seen 49 00:01:58,493 --> 00:02:01,663 was between Monica and her mom Linda. 50 00:02:01,705 --> 00:02:05,917 Let's take a look at their rocky road this season. 51 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:07,877 Don't say nasty things about me, like when you forgot 52 00:02:07,919 --> 00:02:09,838 to hang up on me on the phone the other day. 53 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:14,676 You said, "I hate your fucking guts, you fucking bitch." 54 00:02:14,718 --> 00:02:16,636 [laughs] 55 00:02:16,678 --> 00:02:19,014 The only thing that I can count on with my mom 56 00:02:19,055 --> 00:02:22,559 is that there's nothing to count on with my mom. 57 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,644 I don't know where I stand with you. You know what I mean? 58 00:02:24,686 --> 00:02:27,397 Everyone here is talking shit behind your back. 59 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:30,025 I'm the only one saying it to your face. 60 00:02:30,066 --> 00:02:32,110 -Stop it. -Tell her to stop it! 61 00:02:32,152 --> 00:02:35,113 Oh, my gosh. That's not nice to talk to your mother like that. 62 00:02:35,155 --> 00:02:37,532 -Is this fucking funny to you? -It is funny to me. 63 00:02:37,574 --> 00:02:39,367 You really are a heartless person. 64 00:02:39,409 --> 00:02:43,455 You can find your own ride home, deadass. 65 00:02:43,496 --> 00:02:47,250 My mom and I-- our relationship is so volatile. 66 00:02:47,292 --> 00:02:49,794 [voice breaking] When I turned 12, my mom-- 67 00:02:49,836 --> 00:02:52,130 she decided that she wanted to chase her dreams. 68 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:55,008 So she dropped me off with a family in Pennsylvania 69 00:02:55,050 --> 00:02:57,844 and went and lived in New York. 70 00:02:57,886 --> 00:03:00,388 I'm not saying you're a bad mother. 71 00:03:00,430 --> 00:03:03,266 What I'm telling you is Easter at Angie's 72 00:03:03,308 --> 00:03:06,770 was reliving my abandonment as a child. 73 00:03:06,811 --> 00:03:09,147 -I don't care. I don't care! -You are so sick. 74 00:03:09,189 --> 00:03:10,190 -I don't care. -I'm so over it. 75 00:03:10,231 --> 00:03:11,191 I know you don't care. That's-- 76 00:03:11,232 --> 00:03:13,109 Let me talk, motherfucker! 77 00:03:13,151 --> 00:03:14,778 Did you just call me a fucker? 78 00:03:14,819 --> 00:03:16,613 Motherfucker. I called you a motherfucker. 79 00:03:18,365 --> 00:03:20,116 I'm gonna go meet up with my family today. 80 00:03:20,158 --> 00:03:21,409 I haven't seen them in 30 years. 81 00:03:21,451 --> 00:03:23,078 -LISA: Oh, wow. -It's been so long. 82 00:03:23,119 --> 00:03:25,038 -That's a long time. -Yeah. 83 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,707 Even though my mom and I are not in a good place right now 84 00:03:27,749 --> 00:03:31,252 that she's able to help me meet up with my family in Bermuda-- 85 00:03:31,294 --> 00:03:32,879 I am grateful for that. 86 00:03:32,921 --> 00:03:33,922 [sobbing] 87 00:03:33,963 --> 00:03:35,882 What's going on? 88 00:03:35,924 --> 00:03:36,883 [continues sobbing] 89 00:03:36,925 --> 00:03:37,926 LISA: Monica! 90 00:03:37,967 --> 00:03:40,887 Wait, what just happened? 91 00:03:40,929 --> 00:03:43,682 LISA: What happened? What happened? What happened? 92 00:03:49,813 --> 00:03:53,400 [loud sobbing] 93 00:03:54,609 --> 00:03:56,736 All right. A lot to unpack there. 94 00:03:56,778 --> 00:04:00,198 It was so heartbreaking seeing that... 95 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,908 happen in Bermuda. 96 00:04:01,950 --> 00:04:04,411 Did you get to the bottom of what happened there? 97 00:04:04,452 --> 00:04:06,746 Was it your mom's involvement that caused 98 00:04:06,788 --> 00:04:08,498 your family to cancel on you? 99 00:04:08,540 --> 00:04:10,792 You know, this is still an unsolved mystery... 100 00:04:10,834 --> 00:04:12,002 ANDY: Ah. 101 00:04:12,043 --> 00:04:13,336 ...because my mother and I are not speaking. 102 00:04:13,378 --> 00:04:14,838 -Right. -So-- 103 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:17,007 How long has it been since you haven't spoken? 104 00:04:17,048 --> 00:04:18,425 Since the filming wrapped. 105 00:04:18,466 --> 00:04:19,884 -Since filming wrapped. -Mm-hmm. 106 00:04:19,926 --> 00:04:21,720 And your family in Bermuda didn't give you 107 00:04:21,761 --> 00:04:23,346 a straight answer about why you couldn't come? 108 00:04:23,388 --> 00:04:27,308 No. So, my mom had messaged production, 109 00:04:27,350 --> 00:04:29,310 and before we all went to Bermuda, 110 00:04:29,352 --> 00:04:31,271 and she said, "I wanna go." 111 00:04:31,312 --> 00:04:34,899 -Okay. -And production said...no. 112 00:04:34,941 --> 00:04:38,236 -Right. -So, she was very, very pissed. 113 00:04:38,278 --> 00:04:41,114 She felt like, "I'm the one that should be there. 114 00:04:41,156 --> 00:04:43,908 The family remembers me more." 115 00:04:43,950 --> 00:04:45,618 She threw a huge fit. 116 00:04:45,660 --> 00:04:48,621 I was like, did she do this 'cause 117 00:04:48,663 --> 00:04:50,248 she was mad that she didn't get to come? 118 00:04:50,290 --> 00:04:51,958 -Right. -So... 119 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,045 Wow. Shelby from Raleigh said, "Monica, your relationship 120 00:04:55,086 --> 00:04:57,547 with your mom is toxic AF. 121 00:04:57,589 --> 00:04:59,966 You said that when you went to therapy together, 122 00:05:00,008 --> 00:05:01,634 your mom pretended to be a different person. 123 00:05:01,676 --> 00:05:03,470 Why would she do that?" 124 00:05:03,511 --> 00:05:05,847 I--You know, I don't know. 125 00:05:05,889 --> 00:05:08,433 I kind of actually feel like maybe that's a little common. 126 00:05:08,475 --> 00:05:09,893 Like, when you go to therapy-- 127 00:05:09,934 --> 00:05:11,728 Yeah. You try to present yourself... 128 00:05:11,770 --> 00:05:13,146 -Yeah. Yeah. -Yeah. 129 00:05:13,188 --> 00:05:16,399 But that, you know, I think we kind of see it 130 00:05:16,441 --> 00:05:17,984 play out in this season where 131 00:05:18,026 --> 00:05:22,947 if I say a traumatic event, all she does is... 132 00:05:22,989 --> 00:05:25,992 you know, "No, it wasn't"... -Right. 133 00:05:26,034 --> 00:05:27,494 ...or "It didn't happen like that" or "It was one time" 134 00:05:27,535 --> 00:05:28,995 or "You this" or "You that." 135 00:05:29,037 --> 00:05:31,873 Yeah. We saw that--we saw her respond to you that way. 136 00:05:31,915 --> 00:05:33,249 Yeah. 137 00:05:33,291 --> 00:05:34,709 You treat me like I'm still that little, tiny girl 138 00:05:34,751 --> 00:05:37,671 that you can fucking shit on and leave here 139 00:05:37,712 --> 00:05:41,800 and leave there and get your dream job and your dates. 140 00:05:41,841 --> 00:05:43,259 I'll sit in the back of a trunk of a car 141 00:05:43,301 --> 00:05:46,721 while you make out with one of your fucking boy toys. 142 00:05:46,763 --> 00:05:49,057 That happened one time. 143 00:05:50,141 --> 00:05:52,352 ANDY: It's almost like gaslighting. 144 00:05:52,394 --> 00:05:54,020 Yeah. 145 00:05:54,062 --> 00:05:57,982 When the women threw a birthday brunch for you in Bermuda, 146 00:05:58,024 --> 00:06:02,070 you cried, saying it was your best birthday yet. 147 00:06:02,112 --> 00:06:04,489 Was that up to that point true? I mean... 148 00:06:04,531 --> 00:06:06,282 Yeah. 149 00:06:06,324 --> 00:06:09,244 And your dad left when you were 4. 150 00:06:09,285 --> 00:06:10,453 -Mm-hmm. -Is that right? 151 00:06:10,495 --> 00:06:13,373 -Mm-hmm. -Do you hear from him? 152 00:06:13,415 --> 00:06:14,541 -No. -No? 153 00:06:14,582 --> 00:06:19,045 The last time my mom said she saw him 154 00:06:19,087 --> 00:06:22,674 was at our house, and he wanted us to move to Florida. 155 00:06:22,716 --> 00:06:24,759 -Okay. -And my mom was like, 156 00:06:24,801 --> 00:06:26,177 "I'm not moving to Florida. I'm not leaving Boston." 157 00:06:26,219 --> 00:06:30,515 Apparently he walked out the door, and just... 158 00:06:30,557 --> 00:06:33,143 so I don't know. -And you haven't heard from him? 159 00:06:33,184 --> 00:06:37,772 No. And honestly...I... 160 00:06:37,814 --> 00:06:40,025 [voice breaking] I don't even know if at this age 161 00:06:40,066 --> 00:06:44,029 I would wanna meet him. Like...it's so weird. 162 00:06:44,070 --> 00:06:46,906 But I would like to know what he looks like at least. 163 00:06:46,948 --> 00:06:50,035 ANDY: So, when you were 12, your mom left? 164 00:06:50,076 --> 00:06:52,620 -Yeah. -What career did your mom 165 00:06:52,662 --> 00:06:54,831 go pursue when she left you in Pennsylvania? 166 00:06:54,873 --> 00:06:57,334 [clicks teeth] Television. 167 00:06:57,375 --> 00:07:00,879 -She got on TV. -Mm-hmm. 168 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,589 How do you feel about your mom 169 00:07:02,630 --> 00:07:04,549 tweeting about the show every week? 170 00:07:04,591 --> 00:07:09,387 She's retweeting kind of... 171 00:07:09,429 --> 00:07:11,348 insults about you. 172 00:07:11,389 --> 00:07:13,475 -Yeah. -It's got to be rough. 173 00:07:13,516 --> 00:07:17,145 MONICA: It's honestly worse than I could have imagined. 174 00:07:17,187 --> 00:07:18,521 -Really? -Yeah. 175 00:07:18,563 --> 00:07:21,566 I knew that filming was gonna be hard, 176 00:07:21,608 --> 00:07:23,735 and I knew that you guys were gonna see some shit 177 00:07:23,777 --> 00:07:25,320 because that is our relationship, 178 00:07:25,362 --> 00:07:29,991 but what my mom has done... after online... 179 00:07:30,033 --> 00:07:33,244 -Yeah. -...is, like, worse. 180 00:07:33,286 --> 00:07:35,080 Yeah. Lisa, I'm curious. 181 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:38,500 You--You went pretty hard on Monica, 182 00:07:38,541 --> 00:07:39,959 and you two went at each other 183 00:07:40,001 --> 00:07:42,545 about her relationship with her mom, 184 00:07:42,587 --> 00:07:45,465 about her calling her mom Ted Bundy. 185 00:07:45,507 --> 00:07:49,552 My mom was very, very charming, and so was Ted Bundy. 186 00:07:49,594 --> 00:07:51,638 Maybe you're more like your mom than you think you are. 187 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,598 Maybe you're the exact same person. 188 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,101 Watching the show, did it make you rethink 189 00:07:56,142 --> 00:07:59,646 how you approached her about her mom? 190 00:07:59,688 --> 00:08:01,606 -This is like a 2-part question. -Okay. 191 00:08:01,648 --> 00:08:04,234 So, when I-- what I observed on Easter 192 00:08:04,275 --> 00:08:07,278 was Monica's mom being lovely and charming, 193 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,116 and I said that statement based off of what I saw... 194 00:08:11,157 --> 00:08:13,076 -Yeah. -...not off of history. 195 00:08:13,118 --> 00:08:15,620 I also said I don't live in their house. 196 00:08:15,662 --> 00:08:17,831 I don't know what happens behind closed doors. 197 00:08:17,872 --> 00:08:21,459 You know, fast forward to, like, actually watching the show, 198 00:08:21,501 --> 00:08:25,672 and, like, they definitely have a very tumultuous relationship. 199 00:08:25,714 --> 00:08:29,259 It's sad, and it's really none of my business. 200 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:30,927 I appreciate it. 201 00:08:30,969 --> 00:08:37,851 I can agree that from an outside perspective it would look like, 202 00:08:37,892 --> 00:08:41,062 mm, I'm just like a complete bitch to my mom. 203 00:08:41,104 --> 00:08:44,024 I think that unless you do know about our history 204 00:08:44,065 --> 00:08:46,526 or even if you've dealt with it yourself, 205 00:08:46,568 --> 00:08:50,196 I feel like you can kind of see what she was doing. 206 00:08:50,238 --> 00:08:52,032 It was more important to my mother 207 00:08:52,073 --> 00:08:55,285 to impress everyone else than to be there for her daughter. 208 00:08:55,326 --> 00:08:57,495 -I saw that. -I mean, she impressed us. 209 00:08:57,537 --> 00:08:59,539 She sat down at the table, and it felt like she wanted 210 00:08:59,581 --> 00:09:01,124 to be in Monica's shoes. 211 00:09:01,166 --> 00:09:02,959 Well, I was just gonna say, I mean, 212 00:09:03,001 --> 00:09:05,378 for someone who left her 12-year-old to go... 213 00:09:05,420 --> 00:09:08,506 Yeah. It's gross. 214 00:09:08,548 --> 00:09:10,550 ...pursue a career in television, 215 00:09:10,592 --> 00:09:12,344 do we think your mom was kind of 216 00:09:12,385 --> 00:09:14,262 auditioning to be a Housewife a little bit? 217 00:09:14,304 --> 00:09:17,182 When I applied to get on the show, 218 00:09:17,223 --> 00:09:20,393 I did my final interview. 219 00:09:20,435 --> 00:09:21,770 Yep. 220 00:09:21,811 --> 00:09:25,231 The first place I went was to my mom's, 221 00:09:25,273 --> 00:09:28,610 and I just laid on her couch and cried. 222 00:09:28,651 --> 00:09:30,362 And I was like, "I totally effed up. 223 00:09:30,403 --> 00:09:32,364 Like, I totally bombed it. I don't feel like I was myself," 224 00:09:32,405 --> 00:09:34,074 Like, da-da-da-da. [sniffles] 225 00:09:34,115 --> 00:09:36,242 And my mom said, "Let's say a prayer." 226 00:09:36,284 --> 00:09:38,370 *** 227 00:09:38,411 --> 00:09:41,414 And then she prayed that she would get it instead. 228 00:09:41,456 --> 00:09:43,750 *** 229 00:09:43,792 --> 00:09:45,585 She literally said, "Lord, if it's not Monica, 230 00:09:45,627 --> 00:09:47,754 let it be me." -Oh, my God. 231 00:09:47,796 --> 00:09:49,798 "Somehow, just let it be me instead." 232 00:09:49,839 --> 00:09:53,593 *** 233 00:09:53,635 --> 00:09:55,136 ANDY: Coming up next... 234 00:09:55,178 --> 00:09:58,264 It's apparent that you make a living off of suing people. 235 00:09:58,306 --> 00:10:00,100 -Bitch... -You do. 236 00:10:00,141 --> 00:10:01,476 ...I have never sued one person in my life. 237 00:10:01,518 --> 00:10:03,937 -I did it. I'm not-- -There are multiple lawsuits. 238 00:10:03,978 --> 00:10:05,438 -Who have I sued? -It's all over the internet. 239 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,482 Who the fuck have I sued? 240 00:10:07,524 --> 00:10:09,442 -Who am I suing?! -You're suing me. 241 00:10:14,531 --> 00:10:14,864 *** 242 00:10:15,824 --> 00:10:17,033 She literally said, 243 00:10:17,075 --> 00:10:18,993 "Lord, if it's not Monica, let it be me." 244 00:10:19,035 --> 00:10:20,120 -Oh, my God. -"Somehow, 245 00:10:20,161 --> 00:10:22,330 just let it be me instead." 246 00:10:22,372 --> 00:10:25,125 So...and-- 247 00:10:25,166 --> 00:10:27,252 And you still filmed with her after that? 248 00:10:27,293 --> 00:10:28,586 -I am... -Why would risk that? 249 00:10:28,628 --> 00:10:32,257 Honestly, that is a fair question. 250 00:10:33,883 --> 00:10:36,177 [voice breaking] I think I'm so used to it... 251 00:10:36,219 --> 00:10:38,221 -Yeah, you are. -...that it just feels normal. 252 00:10:38,263 --> 00:10:39,931 Normal. It does. 253 00:10:39,973 --> 00:10:43,268 Has she always had a habit of sabotaging you 254 00:10:43,309 --> 00:10:45,186 when you've had success? 255 00:10:45,228 --> 00:10:48,273 Yeah, so when I actually first started dating Mike, 256 00:10:48,314 --> 00:10:50,859 I was, like, in love, like, right away. 257 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:52,360 -Okay. -And he came to the house, 258 00:10:52,402 --> 00:10:54,279 and she saw how happy I was, and she-- 259 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,906 -I'm scared to hear this. -...banned him from ever 260 00:10:56,948 --> 00:10:59,492 being able to visit the house again. 261 00:10:59,534 --> 00:11:01,911 And she said, "You will not take my daughter away from me." 262 00:11:01,953 --> 00:11:04,080 -Wow. -"You are not welcome." 263 00:11:04,122 --> 00:11:06,958 -So, I just think my mom... -This is rough. 264 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,004 MONICA: I don't know. 265 00:11:12,881 --> 00:11:16,426 Until you have the opportunity to, like, 266 00:11:16,468 --> 00:11:18,553 see it from the outside looking in, 267 00:11:18,595 --> 00:11:21,056 you have no idea how much you're being manipulated... 268 00:11:21,097 --> 00:11:23,475 -Yeah. -...and abused and how toxic 269 00:11:23,516 --> 00:11:24,893 it is until you have the chance to viewing. 270 00:11:24,934 --> 00:11:26,436 -Yeah, Amen to that. -Yeah. 271 00:11:26,478 --> 00:11:29,856 And, you know, even with my own father, 272 00:11:29,898 --> 00:11:32,609 Monica, it took watching... -Yeah. 273 00:11:32,650 --> 00:11:36,363 ...for certain things to trigger in my brain of... 274 00:11:36,404 --> 00:11:38,448 -ANDY: "I can't accept this." -Yes. 275 00:11:39,491 --> 00:11:42,827 Heather, you have a complicated relationship with your mom. 276 00:11:42,869 --> 00:11:44,913 Are the two of you speaking these days? 277 00:11:44,954 --> 00:11:46,956 Just birthday texts, Christmas texts. 278 00:11:46,998 --> 00:11:47,916 -Really? -Yeah. 279 00:11:47,957 --> 00:11:49,376 ANDY: Wow. 280 00:11:49,417 --> 00:11:53,213 I knew the conditions of my family... 281 00:11:53,254 --> 00:11:54,673 -Yeah. -...if I were to do the show 282 00:11:54,714 --> 00:11:56,466 ...and leave the Church. Like, I-I mean, I signed up 283 00:11:56,508 --> 00:12:00,387 for this division, and I respect that that's 284 00:12:00,428 --> 00:12:02,972 where it's gonna be, you know? -Right. 285 00:12:03,014 --> 00:12:05,058 Um, Whitney, it was great seeing your mom 286 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:07,936 at Bobbie's birthday party. 287 00:12:07,977 --> 00:12:09,437 -You are so pretty. -Oh, thank you. 288 00:12:09,479 --> 00:12:10,605 That's where you got your good looks from. 289 00:12:10,647 --> 00:12:11,856 I know. 290 00:12:11,898 --> 00:12:13,983 ANDY: How long were you two estranged, 291 00:12:14,025 --> 00:12:16,111 and when did you start rebuilding? 292 00:12:16,152 --> 00:12:18,780 [voice breaking] This might make me cry. Um... 293 00:12:18,822 --> 00:12:23,785 [sniffles] It's been 16 years... 294 00:12:23,827 --> 00:12:26,329 of us, you know, and there was a good decade where... 295 00:12:26,371 --> 00:12:30,458 And sorry, Mom, 'cause we are in such a better place now, 296 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:32,502 but I have to speak the truth. [sniffles] 297 00:12:32,544 --> 00:12:34,129 There was, like, birthdays where my mom 298 00:12:34,170 --> 00:12:36,423 didn't even text me or Christmases. 299 00:12:36,464 --> 00:12:39,551 And... [inhales and exhales deeply] 300 00:12:39,592 --> 00:12:41,636 that was very hard. 301 00:12:41,678 --> 00:12:45,598 Having a toxic father and then not a relationship with my mom, 302 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,935 for us to be able now to work on it and build on it, 303 00:12:48,977 --> 00:12:53,023 and, like, she texts me about the show, like, all the time, 304 00:12:53,064 --> 00:12:54,607 how proud she is of me. -Wow. 305 00:12:54,649 --> 00:12:58,319 Yeah, and so for her to come to Bobbie's party was huge. 306 00:12:58,361 --> 00:13:01,573 What was it that made her switch or-- 307 00:13:01,614 --> 00:13:05,035 We finally were able to have 308 00:13:05,076 --> 00:13:07,620 a very honest conversation about my childhood. 309 00:13:07,662 --> 00:13:09,164 Really? 310 00:13:09,205 --> 00:13:11,249 And a big factor was removing my father. 311 00:13:11,291 --> 00:13:15,045 Wow. Side note. Are you two back in touch? 312 00:13:15,086 --> 00:13:18,173 No. It's just not a relationship 313 00:13:18,214 --> 00:13:19,549 that is-- I can open that door. 314 00:13:19,591 --> 00:13:20,800 -I can't. -Okay. 315 00:13:20,842 --> 00:13:24,304 And he, um, he's avoiding me as well. 316 00:13:24,346 --> 00:13:26,431 -He is? Okay. -Yeah. 317 00:13:26,473 --> 00:13:28,475 Monica, I think you and Angie K. 318 00:13:28,516 --> 00:13:30,560 were tweeting back and forth at each other... 319 00:13:30,602 --> 00:13:32,395 -Whew. -...about the Greek Easter. 320 00:13:32,437 --> 00:13:34,022 Did someone get thrown down a staircase or something? 321 00:13:34,064 --> 00:13:35,774 -No. -What happened? 322 00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:37,817 MONICA: This was right after the conversation with my mom. 323 00:13:37,859 --> 00:13:41,529 I was going down to the basement to get my girls to leave, 324 00:13:41,571 --> 00:13:45,533 and I started crying, so my eyes--I couldn't see, 325 00:13:45,575 --> 00:13:47,660 and I've never been to your house before. 326 00:13:47,702 --> 00:13:49,996 So, I went to grab the railing. There was no railing, 327 00:13:50,038 --> 00:13:51,456 and I just... [makes popping sound] 328 00:13:51,498 --> 00:13:54,042 I'm not talking to you, literally. 329 00:13:54,084 --> 00:13:56,961 *** 330 00:13:57,003 --> 00:13:58,880 [thudding] 331 00:13:58,922 --> 00:14:01,132 [Monica grunts] 332 00:14:01,174 --> 00:14:04,636 [speaking indistinctly] 333 00:14:04,678 --> 00:14:07,013 ...right here around the corner, so... 334 00:14:07,055 --> 00:14:09,599 I'm okay. 335 00:14:17,857 --> 00:14:19,526 [child shouts indistinctly] 336 00:14:21,903 --> 00:14:24,364 But then you threatened to sue me... 337 00:14:24,406 --> 00:14:25,740 -Okay. -...online, which I think 338 00:14:25,782 --> 00:14:26,991 we should discuss that. 339 00:14:27,033 --> 00:14:29,994 -Angie. -Yeah, I'm listening. 340 00:14:30,036 --> 00:14:33,456 Is there anything you don't have a problem with, with me? 341 00:14:33,498 --> 00:14:35,250 -Like, literally everything? -This, coming from you, Monica? 342 00:14:35,291 --> 00:14:36,543 -Did I sue you? -You threatened to sue her. 343 00:14:36,584 --> 00:14:38,795 -I mean, it's not-- -I said, should I? 344 00:14:38,837 --> 00:14:40,714 No, you didn't. You said, "I should sue you, you fuck." 345 00:14:40,755 --> 00:14:42,007 Oh. 346 00:14:42,048 --> 00:14:44,843 ANGIE: And you said, "You piece of shit." 347 00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:46,261 Well, yes, I did say all of that, 348 00:14:46,302 --> 00:14:47,637 and you were a piece of shit. -Yeah, classy, Monica. 349 00:14:47,679 --> 00:14:49,681 I was responding to what you tweeted first, Angie. 350 00:14:49,723 --> 00:14:51,141 And you threw a shoe and almost hit a toddler. 351 00:14:51,182 --> 00:14:52,976 I would have never said-- I didn't throw a shoe. 352 00:14:53,018 --> 00:14:54,561 -My shoes went flying. -And my fam--Okay. 353 00:14:54,602 --> 00:14:56,354 You tell your side, and I'll tell my side because... 354 00:14:56,396 --> 00:14:58,273 I will listen, and you won't. -[sighs loudly] 355 00:14:58,314 --> 00:14:59,441 -ANDY: Thank you. -So, I'll let you get it out, 356 00:14:59,482 --> 00:15:01,151 and I'll follow with the response. 357 00:15:01,192 --> 00:15:02,736 -ANDY: Thank you. Thank you. -Yeah. 358 00:15:02,777 --> 00:15:04,404 -That's how it should go. Good. -That's how grown-ups talk. 359 00:15:04,446 --> 00:15:06,990 But I'm good with children, so I can handle Monica. 360 00:15:07,032 --> 00:15:08,575 I fell down the freaking stairs. 361 00:15:08,616 --> 00:15:10,910 -Yes. -One shoe went flying off. 362 00:15:10,952 --> 00:15:12,787 My other shoe was hanging half on. 363 00:15:12,829 --> 00:15:16,207 I undid it, and I threw it down, and I said, "I wanna go home." 364 00:15:16,249 --> 00:15:18,460 ANDY: Okay. And then anything else happen? 365 00:15:18,501 --> 00:15:22,339 And then I was bloodied and bleeding and bruised 366 00:15:22,380 --> 00:15:25,133 and went upstairs and filmed a scene with my mom 367 00:15:25,175 --> 00:15:26,968 and said, "Find your own ride home," 368 00:15:27,010 --> 00:15:28,636 and she got an Uber. 369 00:15:28,678 --> 00:15:30,180 I guess production called her an Uber that she said, 370 00:15:30,221 --> 00:15:32,307 "I'm not getting in that shit box," 371 00:15:32,349 --> 00:15:33,600 'cause it was a Subaru, and I... 372 00:15:33,641 --> 00:15:36,227 -[chuckles] Oh, my God. -[laughs] Linda. 373 00:15:36,269 --> 00:15:39,064 -ANDY: She's a... -...just went to urgent care. 374 00:15:39,105 --> 00:15:40,315 -May I? -Yes, please. 375 00:15:40,357 --> 00:15:41,941 -Okay. Thank you. So-- -Yeah. 376 00:15:41,983 --> 00:15:44,152 You might have a better memory since you didn't hit your head, 377 00:15:44,194 --> 00:15:47,572 so go ahead. -Okay. Monica, 378 00:15:47,614 --> 00:15:48,823 I do have a really good memory of the day 379 00:15:48,865 --> 00:15:50,408 because I had family that left 380 00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:52,911 because they felt like it wasn't a safe environment. 381 00:15:52,952 --> 00:15:54,537 Oh. 382 00:15:54,579 --> 00:15:56,206 It's my turn. 383 00:15:56,247 --> 00:15:59,834 You go online, you threaten to sue me 384 00:15:59,876 --> 00:16:03,922 and then say, I should send you the bill for my head scan," 385 00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:05,340 which you did not pay for. 386 00:16:05,382 --> 00:16:06,549 -Production paid the bill. -But say why you-- 387 00:16:06,591 --> 00:16:09,386 So, now you're telling the entire internet. 388 00:16:09,427 --> 00:16:11,388 You started it first with your nasty ass tweet, 389 00:16:11,429 --> 00:16:12,847 and I responded nasty back. -What was nasty about my tweet? 390 00:16:12,889 --> 00:16:14,557 What was nasty about the tweet? I wanna know. 391 00:16:14,599 --> 00:16:16,142 -What was nasty about my tweet? -What was nasty about the tweet? 392 00:16:16,184 --> 00:16:19,479 "Shut the fuck up about Shawn"-- that was the tweet, basically. 393 00:16:19,521 --> 00:16:21,690 -No. -I just wanna be clear-- 394 00:16:21,731 --> 00:16:24,150 And to be fair, I had a conversation with Meredith, 395 00:16:24,192 --> 00:16:25,985 and I told her the situation. 396 00:16:26,027 --> 00:16:28,279 She said, "Do you want her house? 397 00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:30,532 You could take her house." 398 00:16:30,573 --> 00:16:32,200 I did not say you could take anyone's house. 399 00:16:32,242 --> 00:16:33,910 -Yes, you did. -Meredith. Did she say that? 400 00:16:33,952 --> 00:16:35,829 -"Oh, let's get you the house." -Yes, she did. 401 00:16:35,870 --> 00:16:37,163 I said it could be a potential liability, absolutely. 402 00:16:37,205 --> 00:16:38,415 -ANGIE: Well, you know what-- -She said, 403 00:16:38,456 --> 00:16:39,457 Let's get you the house." She's like, 404 00:16:39,499 --> 00:16:42,002 "let's get you the house." -Wow. 405 00:16:50,552 --> 00:16:51,469 I had a conversation with Meredith, 406 00:16:53,221 --> 00:16:55,098 and she said, "Do you want her house? 407 00:16:55,140 --> 00:16:56,683 You could take her house." 408 00:16:56,725 --> 00:16:58,476 I did not say you could take her house. 409 00:16:58,518 --> 00:17:00,103 Yes, you did. Yes, you did. 410 00:17:00,145 --> 00:17:02,397 Meredith. Did she say that? 411 00:17:02,439 --> 00:17:05,692 Yes, she did. She said, "Let's get you the house." 412 00:17:05,734 --> 00:17:08,278 It's apparent that you make a living off of suing people. 413 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:10,488 -Bitch! -You do. You've got-- 414 00:17:10,530 --> 00:17:12,240 I have never sued one person in my life. I didn't-- 415 00:17:12,282 --> 00:17:13,783 There are-- There are multiple lawsuits. 416 00:17:13,825 --> 00:17:16,036 -That was a re-- -Under several of your names. 417 00:17:16,077 --> 00:17:17,495 -Oh, my God. Who have I sued? -There are. It's all over the-- 418 00:17:17,537 --> 00:17:18,955 Who the fuck have I sued? 419 00:17:18,997 --> 00:17:20,582 You threatened to sue me, and you're suing her. 420 00:17:20,623 --> 00:17:21,791 -You're suing me. -I'm surprised you didn't-- 421 00:17:21,833 --> 00:17:23,710 -Who have I sued?! -Are you suing Heather? 422 00:17:23,752 --> 00:17:25,628 No. I responded to her suing me. 423 00:17:25,670 --> 00:17:27,547 -It's a countersuit. -It's a countersuit. 424 00:17:27,589 --> 00:17:28,965 -That's a countersuit. -Yes. Yes. 425 00:17:29,007 --> 00:17:30,800 -You're suing me right now. -Well, I would have never 426 00:17:30,842 --> 00:17:32,802 sued you, though. I responded to you suing me, 427 00:17:32,844 --> 00:17:34,429 which any person would do in the system. 428 00:17:34,471 --> 00:17:35,597 But that's a collection-- suing you for collections. 429 00:17:35,638 --> 00:17:37,474 Why sue back? Pay your fucking bill. 430 00:17:37,515 --> 00:17:40,685 -Goddamn, no! -Pay your bill. 431 00:17:40,727 --> 00:17:42,145 -ANDY: Okay, okay, moving on. -You've got lawsuits, Monica. 432 00:17:42,187 --> 00:17:44,230 Darcy from Philadelphia said, "Lisa, you told Monica, 433 00:17:44,272 --> 00:17:47,567 'No one wants to be your mom.' Do you regret saying that?" 434 00:17:47,609 --> 00:17:50,445 Um, the conversation got misconveyed. 435 00:17:50,487 --> 00:17:53,156 -She said, "You're not my mom--" -Misconveyed? 436 00:17:53,198 --> 00:17:55,700 Listen, I rebuttaled as sophomoric as you dished it. 437 00:17:55,742 --> 00:17:57,077 Okay. 438 00:17:57,118 --> 00:17:58,244 You were the nasty one all season, not me, Monica. 439 00:17:58,286 --> 00:17:59,829 I was not the nasty one all season. 440 00:17:59,871 --> 00:18:01,039 Yes, you were. 441 00:18:01,081 --> 00:18:02,499 I was responding to the energy I was given. 442 00:18:02,540 --> 00:18:03,375 "Bitch, you're fake. You're fucking ugly. 443 00:18:03,416 --> 00:18:05,085 Look at that fucking ugly face." 444 00:18:05,126 --> 00:18:06,961 She called Meredith a trampoline with eyes! Are you joking?! 445 00:18:07,003 --> 00:18:08,338 That means her skin's nice and smooth and tight. 446 00:18:08,380 --> 00:18:09,714 -Listen. Listen. -That's not what it meant! 447 00:18:09,756 --> 00:18:11,132 LISA: Monica, don't bring anybody else into this. 448 00:18:11,174 --> 00:18:14,511 MONICA: You're insulting Meredith, and you know it. Stop. 449 00:18:14,552 --> 00:18:16,888 -She's, like, crazy. Monica. -Honestly, what I wanna be, too. 450 00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:18,515 You were nasty to me all season. 451 00:18:18,556 --> 00:18:20,600 You can poke, poke, poke, poke, poke. If you get it-- 452 00:18:20,642 --> 00:18:22,811 -"Touchet," bitch. "Touchet." -No, it's not. No, it's not. 453 00:18:22,852 --> 00:18:24,479 -Yes, you came up to me-- -You came at me 454 00:18:24,521 --> 00:18:25,980 for losing my ring. You called me a piece of shit. 455 00:18:26,022 --> 00:18:27,774 You called me ugly. You're nasty to women. You are. 456 00:18:27,816 --> 00:18:29,693 -Okay. Well-- -MONICA: So are you, Lisa! 457 00:18:29,734 --> 00:18:31,152 You're nasty to women. I am not. I made one comment. 458 00:18:31,194 --> 00:18:32,946 -You're not nasty to people?! -You can cling to that 459 00:18:32,987 --> 00:18:34,406 one comment all you want. -You're not nasty to people? 460 00:18:34,447 --> 00:18:35,949 -No, I'm not. -Were you nasty to Meredith? 461 00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:37,409 It's none of your business what I was nasty with. 462 00:18:37,450 --> 00:18:38,952 We fixed our stuff. -I'm--You don't get to throw 463 00:18:38,993 --> 00:18:40,704 shit in my face and not catch it back. 464 00:18:40,745 --> 00:18:41,830 No, you started it with "piece of shit." 465 00:18:41,871 --> 00:18:43,289 Don't dish it if you can't take it. 466 00:18:43,331 --> 00:18:44,541 -And 1% and everything. -Don't dish it if you can't-- 467 00:18:44,582 --> 00:18:46,001 No, you can dish and can't take. You just-- 468 00:18:46,042 --> 00:18:47,419 You're right. I was wrong about that. You're not the 1%. 469 00:18:47,460 --> 00:18:49,295 You can't get anywhere with her. Listen. 470 00:18:49,337 --> 00:18:50,922 This is why your mom talks to a tree, 471 00:18:50,964 --> 00:18:52,549 because you can't-- you don't listen. 472 00:18:52,590 --> 00:18:54,426 You just wanna dish and dish and dish. 473 00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:55,802 Throw my mom in-- Throw my mom in my face. 474 00:18:55,844 --> 00:18:58,763 You're manipulative. You are so fucking manipulative. 475 00:18:58,805 --> 00:19:00,140 I'm manipulative?! You just said it! I'm not manipulative. 476 00:19:00,181 --> 00:19:02,058 Listen! Here, I'm gonna be very direct with you. 477 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:03,435 That's stating a fact. You threw my mother in my fucking face! 478 00:19:03,476 --> 00:19:05,812 I'm going to get very clear with you. 479 00:19:05,854 --> 00:19:06,980 Which, by the way, is disgusting that you said-- 480 00:19:07,022 --> 00:19:08,273 You can't--you can't get anywhere with you. 481 00:19:08,314 --> 00:19:09,733 -It's not worth talking to you. -No. 482 00:19:09,774 --> 00:19:11,234 -No one wants to be my mother? -It's not worth it. 483 00:19:11,276 --> 00:19:12,652 -No one wants to be my mother? -I said no one wants to be 484 00:19:12,694 --> 00:19:14,237 your mom, clearly, 'cause you said I'm not your mom. 485 00:19:14,279 --> 00:19:15,739 Exactly, which is disgusting, when your husband was adopted. 486 00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:17,198 No, it was not-- It's not disgusting. 487 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,117 -Like, you're so--you're so... -[indistinct arguing] 488 00:19:19,159 --> 00:19:20,577 John was not even offended by that comment. He said you can-- 489 00:19:20,618 --> 00:19:22,078 The things you said about us is nothing. 490 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:23,288 Heather, I don't even know what your problem is with me. 491 00:19:23,329 --> 00:19:24,831 Listen, John's not interested in you, 492 00:19:24,873 --> 00:19:26,207 so don't even worry about it. -Deadass, I don't know what 493 00:19:26,249 --> 00:19:27,751 the fuck your problem is with me. 494 00:19:27,792 --> 00:19:29,044 Well, give it a minute. I'll let you know. 495 00:19:29,085 --> 00:19:30,754 All right, she's gonna tell you in a little bit. 496 00:19:30,795 --> 00:19:32,380 -MONICA: Okay, great. -@nastyspeaker said, 497 00:19:32,422 --> 00:19:34,716 "Lisa, what did you mean when you said during the sound bath, 498 00:19:34,758 --> 00:19:37,844 'We were dealt the same deck of cards' in reference to Monica?" 499 00:19:37,886 --> 00:19:40,388 I look at things like, the most positive way. 500 00:19:40,430 --> 00:19:41,806 -It's like, hey, listen-- -[snickers loudly] 501 00:19:41,848 --> 00:19:43,224 -I do. I do. -MONICA: Okay. 502 00:19:43,266 --> 00:19:45,060 And from what I'm saying, I don't know anything about 503 00:19:45,101 --> 00:19:47,270 your relationship with your mom. I asked you at the sound bath, 504 00:19:47,312 --> 00:19:48,813 "Do you fucking hate your mother? 505 00:19:48,855 --> 00:19:50,982 And why do you want us to fucking hate your mother?" 506 00:19:51,024 --> 00:19:52,984 I asked you, like four times. You didn't have an answer. 507 00:19:53,026 --> 00:19:54,944 -"You'll see. You'll see." -I literally sat-- 508 00:19:54,986 --> 00:19:55,987 -Yes! Because you didn't know! -LISA: It's not important. 509 00:19:56,029 --> 00:19:57,697 Well, so, and you-- and now you see. 510 00:19:57,739 --> 00:19:59,699 -LISA: It is not important. -And now you've seen. 511 00:19:59,741 --> 00:20:01,117 Listen, the bottom line is you would not stop. 512 00:20:01,159 --> 00:20:03,203 You said I'm mediocre. You went after my family. 513 00:20:03,244 --> 00:20:06,247 You said nasty things about my husband who you don't even know. 514 00:20:06,289 --> 00:20:07,957 -What did I say about John? -Oh. 515 00:20:07,999 --> 00:20:09,042 -You called him a penis head. -I did. 516 00:20:09,084 --> 00:20:11,002 Yeah. You were being so rude about him. 517 00:20:11,044 --> 00:20:12,045 -I did call him a penis head. -You're being so rude about him. 518 00:20:12,087 --> 00:20:13,672 Why'd you call John a penis head? 519 00:20:13,713 --> 00:20:15,965 She's sitting there screaming at me, "You're mediocre! 520 00:20:16,007 --> 00:20:17,717 Your business is mediocre." -And then five minutes later 521 00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:19,219 said she wanted to fuck him. -Yeah. 522 00:20:19,260 --> 00:20:21,137 I would fuck John and Seth. 523 00:20:21,179 --> 00:20:22,263 -ANGIE: Okay. -Wow. 524 00:20:22,305 --> 00:20:23,807 -Wow. -Yes. 525 00:20:23,848 --> 00:20:26,976 -That make--That makes sense. -Um, @LouandReality tweeted, 526 00:20:27,018 --> 00:20:28,895 "Why does Monica have so many identities found on Google?" 527 00:20:28,937 --> 00:20:30,647 Oh, my God. 528 00:20:30,689 --> 00:20:33,024 So, your maiden name was Fowler? 529 00:20:33,066 --> 00:20:35,568 -No, my maiden name is Darnell. -Darnell. 530 00:20:35,610 --> 00:20:38,446 -Fowler is my married name. -What's Delgado? 531 00:20:38,488 --> 00:20:40,699 -That's my dad's side. -That's your dad's side. 532 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:42,325 -Mm-hmm. -What's Garcia? 533 00:20:42,367 --> 00:20:43,618 Garcia is my mother's side. 534 00:20:43,660 --> 00:20:45,704 My mother was born 535 00:20:45,745 --> 00:20:47,580 Linda Darnell Susan Maria Garcia. 536 00:20:47,622 --> 00:20:49,040 -Okay. -'Kay? 537 00:20:49,082 --> 00:20:50,834 When she was growing up, she was teased 538 00:20:50,875 --> 00:20:56,089 for being a Portagee in Boston, 539 00:20:56,131 --> 00:20:58,508 and she was called "spic" all the time, 540 00:20:58,550 --> 00:21:00,635 and it stuck with her. I don't know. 541 00:21:00,677 --> 00:21:02,303 So, when she became of legal age, 542 00:21:02,345 --> 00:21:05,849 she chopped her entire name off because she was ashamed of it. 543 00:21:05,890 --> 00:21:07,726 -Yeah. -And just kept Linda Darnell. 544 00:21:07,767 --> 00:21:10,854 So, when I was born, I was Linda Darnell. 545 00:21:10,895 --> 00:21:13,064 -You were Monica Darnell. -Well, Monica Linda Darnell. 546 00:21:13,106 --> 00:21:14,607 -ANDY: Oh, okay. -They have the same name. 547 00:21:14,649 --> 00:21:16,317 -ANDY: Oh, okay. -Yeah, but that name 548 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,570 means nothing to me. -Okay. 549 00:21:18,611 --> 00:21:20,572 So, when I was getting a divorce, 550 00:21:20,613 --> 00:21:22,699 I wanted a family name. -Got it. 551 00:21:22,741 --> 00:21:25,535 So, you have used four names. 552 00:21:25,577 --> 00:21:28,371 I legally have only ever used three. 553 00:21:28,413 --> 00:21:29,456 Okay. 554 00:21:29,497 --> 00:21:30,874 Which is the one I was born with, 555 00:21:30,915 --> 00:21:32,876 when I got married, and when I got divorced, 556 00:21:32,917 --> 00:21:36,212 Your mom was confused that you changed your name 557 00:21:36,254 --> 00:21:37,255 so many times. 558 00:21:37,297 --> 00:21:39,007 Monica Darnell. 559 00:21:39,049 --> 00:21:42,052 That's not-- Why are you calling me that? 560 00:21:42,093 --> 00:21:45,305 I'm sorry. I don't know what the fuck your name is. 561 00:21:45,347 --> 00:21:47,265 You change every fucking week. 562 00:21:47,307 --> 00:21:48,767 Why would she be confused? 563 00:21:48,808 --> 00:21:51,561 So, she definitely brought that up as a dig, 564 00:21:51,603 --> 00:21:55,273 because I had confided in her that... 565 00:21:55,315 --> 00:21:57,859 certain people here were making fun of the fact 566 00:21:57,901 --> 00:22:00,653 that I was using Delgado, Driano, Garcia, 567 00:22:00,695 --> 00:22:02,405 whatever I was going to use, 568 00:22:02,447 --> 00:22:04,574 'cause they were saying I was trying to make myself 569 00:22:04,616 --> 00:22:06,326 look more Latina to get on the show. 570 00:22:06,368 --> 00:22:08,328 -LISA: Who said that? -You did. 571 00:22:08,370 --> 00:22:10,789 I did not say it. Don't look at me and say I said that. 572 00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:12,040 -You said that. -I did not say that. 573 00:22:12,082 --> 00:22:13,750 No, I did not. You-- You know who said that? 574 00:22:13,792 --> 00:22:15,710 You said that I opened a book and put my name-- 575 00:22:15,752 --> 00:22:17,671 -Jen. -No, she didn't! 576 00:22:17,712 --> 00:22:19,255 -Yeah, she did. -MONICA: Jen's not even around! 577 00:22:19,297 --> 00:22:20,924 -Jen Shah said you went by-- -Okay, so then you were 578 00:22:20,965 --> 00:22:23,510 repeating what Jen said? -You fake fucking bitch. 579 00:22:23,551 --> 00:22:25,679 Ohh! 580 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,263 ANDY: Coming up... 581 00:22:27,305 --> 00:22:29,474 You say something horrible to me, and then you don't like 582 00:22:29,516 --> 00:22:32,102 something I say that's, like, not even the same magnitude, 583 00:22:32,143 --> 00:22:34,104 and then you're like, "I'm not talking to Lisa." 584 00:22:34,145 --> 00:22:35,772 You don't say anything to my face. 585 00:22:35,814 --> 00:22:38,274 I do. I do say exactly what I mean to you to your face. 586 00:22:38,316 --> 00:22:40,276 Okay. Well, our relationship has been done. 587 00:22:46,783 --> 00:22:47,117 *** 588 00:22:48,827 --> 00:22:50,328 Welcome back to 589 00:22:50,370 --> 00:22:52,414 "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" reunion. 590 00:22:52,455 --> 00:22:56,459 Lisa, Jack Barlow was recently seen in California 591 00:22:56,501 --> 00:22:58,128 in his mission garb. 592 00:22:58,169 --> 00:22:59,796 So, what's going on? Did he not go to Colombia? 593 00:22:59,838 --> 00:23:01,548 He bounced on his mission. He's not going. 594 00:23:01,589 --> 00:23:02,716 He's just hanging out with friends, 595 00:23:02,757 --> 00:23:04,592 surfing, doing all the good stuff. 596 00:23:04,634 --> 00:23:06,219 No, what's happening? 597 00:23:06,261 --> 00:23:07,512 Um, the way they put in their paperwork 598 00:23:07,554 --> 00:23:08,888 and the way they apply for visas, 599 00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:10,515 sometimes visas take a little longer. 600 00:23:10,557 --> 00:23:11,891 But it's a very common practice. 601 00:23:11,933 --> 00:23:13,852 You get your mission call to a foreign country, 602 00:23:13,893 --> 00:23:15,228 and the paperwork comes in later, 603 00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:16,730 but they don't want you to wait. -But his--his-- 604 00:23:16,771 --> 00:23:18,231 So, they send that on the field stateside. 605 00:23:18,273 --> 00:23:19,649 -So, they--they--I get it. -They sent him--They sent him 606 00:23:19,691 --> 00:23:21,901 to California temporarily, speaking Spanish. 607 00:23:21,943 --> 00:23:24,404 Jack's the reason his visa took longer, 608 00:23:24,446 --> 00:23:28,199 because he had a great six-pack and took a picture on the boat 609 00:23:28,241 --> 00:23:30,326 and sent it to the government as his visa picture, 610 00:23:30,368 --> 00:23:31,953 like, thinking it's funny, 611 00:23:31,995 --> 00:23:34,247 and they denied it, so we had to reapply. 612 00:23:34,289 --> 00:23:35,457 -So, they temporarily? -Hold on. Hold on. 613 00:23:35,498 --> 00:23:36,875 Yes. 614 00:23:36,916 --> 00:23:39,711 His picture that he submitted for his visa... 615 00:23:39,753 --> 00:23:41,046 Was on a boat in Lake Powell. 616 00:23:41,087 --> 00:23:42,714 Was--No, that's not the important part. 617 00:23:42,756 --> 00:23:45,008 Shirtless. Yes. [laughs] 618 00:23:45,050 --> 00:23:46,634 -He was shirtless. -Yeah. 619 00:23:46,676 --> 00:23:49,929 This has to be the first Mormon missionary 620 00:23:49,971 --> 00:23:53,600 whose visa was rejected due to, like... 621 00:23:53,641 --> 00:23:55,101 -LISA: Yes. -HEATHER: Shirtless... 622 00:23:55,143 --> 00:23:57,562 In his defense, he's been working out really hard. 623 00:23:57,604 --> 00:23:59,230 This is why I needed to be involved. 624 00:23:59,272 --> 00:24:02,067 His visa's here. He's on his way to Colombia. 625 00:24:02,108 --> 00:24:03,443 And he was so happy his visa's here. 626 00:24:03,485 --> 00:24:05,111 His visa's here. And when is he going to Colombia? 627 00:24:05,153 --> 00:24:06,821 -He leaves next week. -Oh, wow. 628 00:24:06,863 --> 00:24:08,365 Yeah. The week after Thanksgiving. 629 00:24:08,406 --> 00:24:11,242 Wow. So do you get to spend Thanksgiving with him, or no? 630 00:24:11,284 --> 00:24:12,869 -He's not a mission. -No, we don't get to see him. 631 00:24:12,911 --> 00:24:14,913 -We talk to him once a week. -Actually, today's the day 632 00:24:14,954 --> 00:24:16,915 he can call, and I'm here. -ANDY: Right. 633 00:24:16,956 --> 00:24:18,667 So, he sent me the cutest video message last night 634 00:24:18,708 --> 00:24:20,960 and was like, "Good luck, Mom." 635 00:24:21,002 --> 00:24:23,838 And I just, like, love talking to him so much now. 636 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,758 I feel like it's changed our relationship so much 637 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,052 because he's maturing a lot. It's... 638 00:24:29,094 --> 00:24:32,430 And I think there's a lot of gratitude that's happening. 639 00:24:32,472 --> 00:24:34,349 @EchoDoesRadio tweeted, 640 00:24:34,391 --> 00:24:36,810 "I'm still wondering why friends and family aren't allowed 641 00:24:36,851 --> 00:24:39,437 to visit for the two years that they're on mission. 642 00:24:39,479 --> 00:24:41,022 That's a red flag to me." 643 00:24:41,064 --> 00:24:42,982 Why aren't family visits allowed? 644 00:24:43,024 --> 00:24:46,736 You know, he is focused on doing his service work, 645 00:24:46,778 --> 00:24:48,988 and I think it would be distracting 646 00:24:49,030 --> 00:24:50,657 if we called in to his mission president 647 00:24:50,699 --> 00:24:52,117 and said, "Hey, we're coming to Colombia." 648 00:24:52,158 --> 00:24:53,743 We would absolutely be able to see him. 649 00:24:53,785 --> 00:24:56,287 But we're respecting Jack's decision 650 00:24:56,329 --> 00:25:00,000 and that he's, like, happy doing this. Like, he's thriving. 651 00:25:00,041 --> 00:25:04,004 Jerwin from Los Angeles said, "Lisa, you say you support 652 00:25:04,045 --> 00:25:07,632 the LGBTQ community, yet you continue to show 653 00:25:07,674 --> 00:25:08,633 your support for the Mormon Church, 654 00:25:08,675 --> 00:25:10,301 who continue to actively fight 655 00:25:10,343 --> 00:25:13,304 against the community's rights and livelihood. 656 00:25:13,346 --> 00:25:15,974 How do you support both without being a hypocrite?" 657 00:25:16,016 --> 00:25:17,600 Um, I'm not a hypocrite, and I do support both. 658 00:25:17,642 --> 00:25:21,062 But the thing is, is it's wrong for any Mormon or anyone-- 659 00:25:21,104 --> 00:25:22,564 nowhere in the teachings of Christ 660 00:25:22,605 --> 00:25:24,232 did it say gays aren't allowed. 661 00:25:24,274 --> 00:25:25,692 -Mm-hmm. -I don't live that way. 662 00:25:25,734 --> 00:25:27,444 I don't practice that way. 663 00:25:27,485 --> 00:25:30,572 I also work on building bridges with the Mormon Church 664 00:25:30,613 --> 00:25:34,034 and the LGBTQIA community because I think it's important. 665 00:25:34,075 --> 00:25:35,744 Like, I think it's an antiquated way of thinking, 666 00:25:35,785 --> 00:25:37,120 and I think all religions 667 00:25:37,162 --> 00:25:41,374 were...not nice to the LGBTQIA community, 668 00:25:41,416 --> 00:25:44,002 not just the LDS religion. -It's true. 669 00:25:44,044 --> 00:25:46,087 ANDY: Here's a really interesting question. 670 00:25:46,129 --> 00:25:49,507 Tiffany from Portland said, "Lisa, are you worried at all 671 00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:52,594 that when Jack comes home, he's gonna be more orthodox 672 00:25:52,635 --> 00:25:56,973 and begin to question your Mormon 2.0 assertion?" 673 00:25:57,015 --> 00:25:58,350 Not even a little bit. I'm not even a little bit, 674 00:25:58,391 --> 00:26:01,186 because I consider myself non-orthodox. 675 00:26:01,227 --> 00:26:04,189 Jack, when we do talk, he's, like, excited when 676 00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:06,566 he's like, "Mom, imagine when I get home, 677 00:26:06,608 --> 00:26:09,444 I can help you and Dad with the business in Mexico," 678 00:26:09,486 --> 00:26:12,405 and, like, I just think he's going to be him. 679 00:26:12,447 --> 00:26:15,116 He's gonna be the exact same kid with-- 680 00:26:15,158 --> 00:26:16,910 and when he gets back-- -I know, but he's not 681 00:26:16,951 --> 00:26:18,328 gonna be exact-- the exact same kid. 682 00:26:18,370 --> 00:26:20,246 I think that he will be a better version of himself. 683 00:26:20,288 --> 00:26:23,375 I think that he is learning so many hard life skills like that. 684 00:26:23,416 --> 00:26:27,337 And if he is more orthodox because he is teaching 685 00:26:27,379 --> 00:26:29,839 the teachings of Christ, I'm fine with that. 686 00:26:29,881 --> 00:26:31,383 And if--he's not gonna judge his parents. 687 00:26:31,424 --> 00:26:35,053 We didn't raise him to be judgmental of people, so... 688 00:26:35,095 --> 00:26:37,055 What's your reaction to that question? 689 00:26:37,097 --> 00:26:39,432 I mean, it's complicated. 690 00:26:39,474 --> 00:26:41,810 Everything she's saying is absolutely true. 691 00:26:41,851 --> 00:26:43,061 He is going to learn independence. 692 00:26:43,103 --> 00:26:44,354 He's going to learn frugality. 693 00:26:44,396 --> 00:26:46,064 He's going to learn that he has to wake up 694 00:26:46,106 --> 00:26:47,649 and work no matter what. 695 00:26:47,691 --> 00:26:49,526 He's goodbye learn to work in the rain, in the snow. 696 00:26:49,567 --> 00:26:51,778 He's gonna be--come home fluent in Spanish. 697 00:26:51,820 --> 00:26:53,238 He's gonna come home a man. 698 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:55,990 And I wanna warn you, Lisa, I had two brothers go. 699 00:26:56,032 --> 00:26:58,243 I've had cousins go, stepsons go. 700 00:26:58,284 --> 00:26:59,536 They come home weird for a minute. 701 00:26:59,577 --> 00:27:01,204 -They come home weird. -You know, Whitney-- 702 00:27:01,246 --> 00:27:02,580 -And they come home judgy. -'Cause they're not used to 703 00:27:02,622 --> 00:27:05,000 being, like, with the-- back in the normal life. 704 00:27:05,041 --> 00:27:06,918 I also think John and I raised him so differently, 705 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,586 and I know it's hard to understand 706 00:27:08,628 --> 00:27:10,130 'cause you're not in our home, but we raised-- 707 00:27:10,171 --> 00:27:11,881 It's not weird in a bad way. It's just-- 708 00:27:11,923 --> 00:27:13,550 Yeah. We raised him so differently. 709 00:27:13,591 --> 00:27:15,343 Like, John served a mission. My sister served a mission. 710 00:27:15,385 --> 00:27:16,386 Yeah. 711 00:27:16,428 --> 00:27:18,430 My brother served in Bilbao, Spain. 712 00:27:18,471 --> 00:27:21,766 And I just think it's like we had a different perspective. 713 00:27:21,808 --> 00:27:23,309 And my--when my brother came home, 714 00:27:23,351 --> 00:27:25,311 I didn't think he was weird. He just, like, got right back 715 00:27:25,353 --> 00:27:28,648 into life and had a different skill set and spoke Spanish. 716 00:27:28,690 --> 00:27:31,943 So, Heather, why was Jack's mission triggering to you? 717 00:27:31,985 --> 00:27:33,903 -Oh. [sighs] -[laughs] 718 00:27:33,945 --> 00:27:35,488 -I wanna know this. -In a million ways. 719 00:27:35,530 --> 00:27:37,574 -ANDY: Right. -HEATHER: In a million ways. 720 00:27:37,615 --> 00:27:39,701 Even just watching him read his letter. 721 00:27:39,743 --> 00:27:41,536 "Dear Elder Barlow, 722 00:27:41,578 --> 00:27:43,538 you are hereby called to serve as a missionary 723 00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:45,457 of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 724 00:27:45,498 --> 00:27:47,459 in the Colombia Bogotá North Mission." 725 00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:52,630 -Oh, my God! Oh, my God! -[cheering] 726 00:27:52,672 --> 00:27:55,175 It's just--reminds me of what I grew up with 727 00:27:55,216 --> 00:27:56,968 and what I no longer have. 728 00:27:57,010 --> 00:27:58,553 Like, seeing all of those celebrations 729 00:27:58,595 --> 00:28:00,180 and knowing that I wasn't there and not welcome 730 00:28:00,221 --> 00:28:02,474 for obvious reasons. Like, I knew why, 731 00:28:02,515 --> 00:28:06,144 but it still didn't help me to not feel hurt and sad. 732 00:28:06,186 --> 00:28:07,937 -You know, and-- -Well, she thinks the reasons 733 00:28:07,979 --> 00:28:09,647 are different than the intention. 734 00:28:09,689 --> 00:28:12,484 To me, I thought it was mean to, like, rub it in her face, 735 00:28:12,525 --> 00:28:14,652 and then I also wasn't in, like, the best place with Heather 736 00:28:14,694 --> 00:28:17,364 where I wanted to be like, "Come share in this." 737 00:28:17,405 --> 00:28:18,907 I mean, Whitney left the Church, and she was there. 738 00:28:18,948 --> 00:28:21,659 Well, but also, there's a-- but also, I mean, she's kind of, 739 00:28:21,701 --> 00:28:23,870 at this moment, kind of a hater towards the Church. 740 00:28:23,912 --> 00:28:25,330 -Absolutely. Yeah. -Yes. Yeah. 741 00:28:25,372 --> 00:28:27,082 -It didn't make sense. -Why would she include you if-- 742 00:28:27,123 --> 00:28:28,541 -Because-- -Yeah. 743 00:28:28,583 --> 00:28:30,001 It was mostly because Whitney got included, 744 00:28:30,043 --> 00:28:31,961 and she's an--I mean, "anti." -ANDY: Right. 745 00:28:32,003 --> 00:28:33,463 She's, you know, way more advanced than me. 746 00:28:33,505 --> 00:28:36,257 Well, I actually--now that you-- now that you two are good, 747 00:28:36,299 --> 00:28:39,511 you relentlessly came after me for supporting Jack 748 00:28:39,552 --> 00:28:41,888 in the mission, and you called me a hypocrite over it. 749 00:28:41,930 --> 00:28:43,973 Lisa says she's Mormon and she's not, 750 00:28:44,015 --> 00:28:45,642 and no one calls her out on it. 751 00:28:45,684 --> 00:28:48,269 And I feel like you of all people would know that. 752 00:28:48,311 --> 00:28:51,064 And it's frustrating to me that you're so scared 753 00:28:51,106 --> 00:28:52,524 to upset Lisa... -I'm not scared, Heather. 754 00:28:52,565 --> 00:28:54,234 ...that you will never say what you would say openly 755 00:28:54,275 --> 00:28:56,861 and a thousand times to me or to anyone. 756 00:28:56,903 --> 00:28:58,071 But when it comes to Lisa-- 757 00:28:58,113 --> 00:28:59,656 What do you think I'm scared of saying? 758 00:28:59,698 --> 00:29:02,534 That, like, there's no way that she's going to the temple 759 00:29:02,575 --> 00:29:04,703 if she's not wearing her garments 760 00:29:04,744 --> 00:29:07,205 and drinking alcohol. That's just a basic fact. 761 00:29:07,247 --> 00:29:09,165 Do you understand why I had a certain level of respect 762 00:29:09,207 --> 00:29:12,210 of not wanting to talk about the-- 763 00:29:12,252 --> 00:29:13,545 -But we talked about it. -Yes, but I feel like-- 764 00:29:13,586 --> 00:29:15,046 It was just me saying, how do you address this? 765 00:29:15,088 --> 00:29:17,048 How do you show up and say, "Congratulations" 766 00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:18,174 when there's conflict within? 767 00:29:18,216 --> 00:29:19,718 When I saw you call me a hypocrite, 768 00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:22,137 I was like, wow, Heather. No, I was trying my best 769 00:29:22,178 --> 00:29:25,515 to support my friend, who has a completely different 770 00:29:25,557 --> 00:29:27,475 belief system than I do. -LISA: Mm-hmm. 771 00:29:27,517 --> 00:29:29,936 -And I got--I was there. -And you separated it. 772 00:29:29,978 --> 00:29:31,479 -Yeah, I separated it. -I--If I used 773 00:29:31,521 --> 00:29:33,023 the word "hypocrite"... -You called me a hypocrite. 774 00:29:33,064 --> 00:29:34,315 I just wanted to talk through it because it felt challenging 775 00:29:34,357 --> 00:29:36,067 to me for us to say... -Yes. 776 00:29:36,109 --> 00:29:37,694 ..."Congratulations. Go get it. Go get 'em." 777 00:29:37,736 --> 00:29:39,738 Meanwhile, we're saying, this can be destructive, 778 00:29:39,779 --> 00:29:40,989 this can be dangerous, 779 00:29:41,031 --> 00:29:42,490 and I have deep regrets about my mission. 780 00:29:42,532 --> 00:29:45,368 I mean, all of the intentions are wonderful, 781 00:29:45,410 --> 00:29:47,454 but how do I extrapolate those intentions 782 00:29:47,495 --> 00:29:49,873 from what the ultimate goal of a Mormon missionary is? 783 00:29:49,914 --> 00:29:51,291 But do you-- my question, though-- 784 00:29:51,332 --> 00:29:52,792 And I tried to make that easy for Heather 785 00:29:52,834 --> 00:29:54,127 by not pushing it in your face. 786 00:29:54,169 --> 00:29:56,129 -Yeah, and I didn't understand. -Yeah. 787 00:29:56,171 --> 00:29:57,464 I thought she was just excluding me. 788 00:29:57,505 --> 00:29:59,090 Okay, let Whitney ask her question. 789 00:29:59,132 --> 00:30:00,717 Yeah. So my question, though, is, like, 790 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:02,594 looking back at it now, 791 00:30:02,635 --> 00:30:04,429 do you feel bad for calling me a hypocrite? 792 00:30:04,471 --> 00:30:07,724 Because now you get it. You have to compartmentalize it. 793 00:30:07,766 --> 00:30:09,726 Yeah. I mean, completely. You have to just put it aside-- 794 00:30:09,768 --> 00:30:11,102 I just need to hear that from you, that you feel bad. 795 00:30:11,144 --> 00:30:12,479 -HEATHER: You have to--Yes. -LISA: Heather-- 796 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:13,980 'Cause I was, like, in the middle of what I felt-- 797 00:30:14,022 --> 00:30:15,482 You have to put aside your political and emotional views 798 00:30:15,523 --> 00:30:18,443 and say, I'm a mom supporting a friend, 799 00:30:18,485 --> 00:30:20,612 and I will be here for her if he comes home 800 00:30:20,653 --> 00:30:23,198 militantly orthodox, and she's like, "What do I do with this?" 801 00:30:23,239 --> 00:30:25,992 I'll be like, "I can-- I'll talk you through it." 802 00:30:26,034 --> 00:30:27,577 -And--And just wanna say-- -This is a new thing for me... 803 00:30:27,619 --> 00:30:28,828 LISA: Yeah. 804 00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:30,288 ...the agreeance on the mission, and I love it. 805 00:30:30,330 --> 00:30:33,458 -Yeah, it's good. -All right, let's hold there. 806 00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:36,127 So, we are gonna take a break. Mary M. Cosby is coming out. 807 00:30:36,169 --> 00:30:38,046 Okay, I'll be at lunch. 808 00:30:38,088 --> 00:30:39,589 So, I'm gonna run to the restroom. 809 00:30:39,631 --> 00:30:42,092 -I'll see you all later. -[laughter] 810 00:30:42,133 --> 00:30:43,385 Yeah. 811 00:30:43,426 --> 00:30:45,261 [indistinct conversations] 812 00:30:47,681 --> 00:30:49,599 LISA: Oh, it smells good up here. 813 00:30:49,641 --> 00:30:53,186 [indistinct conversations continue] 814 00:30:58,817 --> 00:30:59,818 [gasps] 815 00:30:59,859 --> 00:31:01,111 Oh! 816 00:31:01,152 --> 00:31:02,487 -You look gorgeous. -Thank you. 817 00:31:02,529 --> 00:31:04,823 -Look at this. Emerald green. -You look stunning! 818 00:31:04,864 --> 00:31:06,157 -Hi! -You look so stunning. 819 00:31:06,199 --> 00:31:09,035 -How are you? -Come in, come in. Sit down. 820 00:31:09,077 --> 00:31:10,870 -Have you been watching at all? -No. 821 00:31:10,912 --> 00:31:13,289 Oh, man. It's a bloodbath. 822 00:31:13,331 --> 00:31:18,628 Heather and Lisa and Angie are relentless with me, 823 00:31:18,670 --> 00:31:21,047 and they feel like you did them wrong? 824 00:31:21,089 --> 00:31:22,340 -Yes. -So, they're, like, 825 00:31:22,382 --> 00:31:23,842 done with you. -Correct. 826 00:31:23,883 --> 00:31:26,553 Without you saying why or explaining anything? 827 00:31:26,594 --> 00:31:29,389 I have not explained my situation, no. 828 00:31:29,431 --> 00:31:31,516 -Okay, so that's unacceptable. -Yeah. 829 00:31:31,558 --> 00:31:33,518 Yeah, you have a side, you have a voice, 830 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,020 and we're gonna hear it. -Thank you. 831 00:31:35,061 --> 00:31:36,855 And, yeah, I got your back. 832 00:31:36,896 --> 00:31:42,861 *** 833 00:31:42,902 --> 00:31:44,988 [singsongy] Look who's here! Ooh! I am okay. 834 00:31:45,030 --> 00:31:46,031 -MAN: Yes, you are. -[laughs] 835 00:31:46,072 --> 00:31:48,074 Mary down. 836 00:31:48,116 --> 00:31:51,369 -Mary M. Hi. -Hi, Andy. How are you? 837 00:31:51,411 --> 00:31:53,038 -ANDY: Hi. -MONICA: Mary. 838 00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:54,748 -You look beautiful. -All right. 839 00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:57,083 MAN: Everybody, we're back in five...four... 840 00:31:57,125 --> 00:31:59,294 three... -Do I have to suck in? 841 00:31:59,336 --> 00:32:00,962 -No. -Welcome back, 842 00:32:01,004 --> 00:32:04,507 and pop the 2003 Dom Perignon, 843 00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:09,304 because we're joined by our old friend, Mary M. Cosby. 844 00:32:09,346 --> 00:32:11,514 -Hey, Mary. -Hi, Andy. 845 00:32:11,556 --> 00:32:15,977 Great to see you at a reunion. We missed you at--Yes. 846 00:32:16,019 --> 00:32:17,312 Andy, are you gonna make me pay for that? [laughs] 847 00:32:17,354 --> 00:32:18,688 -Okay. -Thank you. 848 00:32:18,730 --> 00:32:22,275 Okay. We missed you at your last reunion. 849 00:32:22,317 --> 00:32:25,570 Mary chose not to join us tonight. 850 00:32:25,612 --> 00:32:28,740 Disappointing, to say the least. 851 00:32:28,782 --> 00:32:31,034 Why did you not wanna be a part of that? 852 00:32:31,076 --> 00:32:34,120 First of all, how I was treated the entire season. 853 00:32:34,162 --> 00:32:36,915 And then how things were allegedly said 854 00:32:36,956 --> 00:32:39,459 that was completely not true. 855 00:32:39,501 --> 00:32:42,253 I didn't feel comfortable, and so I didn't come. 856 00:32:42,295 --> 00:32:44,255 When you were on "Watch What Happens Live," 857 00:32:44,297 --> 00:32:45,882 I asked you why you came back to the show, 858 00:32:45,924 --> 00:32:48,510 and you said, "To help you guys out." 859 00:32:48,551 --> 00:32:51,012 Um, I'm wondering if the other women, 860 00:32:51,054 --> 00:32:55,100 did you feel that you needed Mary back this season 861 00:32:55,141 --> 00:32:56,518 to help out? 862 00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:58,520 Yeah, I did. I mean--Yeah. Listen... 863 00:32:58,561 --> 00:33:00,605 There was some comedic relief in there that looked good. 864 00:33:00,647 --> 00:33:02,857 -You're hilarious. -Angie, this is your first year. 865 00:33:02,899 --> 00:33:04,025 -I know. -What are you-- 866 00:33:04,067 --> 00:33:05,777 Why are you even answering? Oh, my gosh. 867 00:33:05,819 --> 00:33:07,070 Well, she was answering nicely about you. 868 00:33:07,112 --> 00:33:08,238 -I know -Oh, she was? [laughs] 869 00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:11,783 Yes. She said we needed comedic relief. 870 00:33:11,825 --> 00:33:13,368 -Heather, you were saying? -I was just saying 871 00:33:13,410 --> 00:33:15,161 you never know what you're gonna get with Mary Cosby. 872 00:33:15,203 --> 00:33:18,623 And that's kind of fun and makes filming with her exciting, 873 00:33:18,665 --> 00:33:20,542 and so it felt right that she's back. 874 00:33:20,583 --> 00:33:23,837 Okay. Mary, you were open to Monica right away, 875 00:33:23,878 --> 00:33:27,632 but you seemed pretty dismissive of Angie from the jump. 876 00:33:27,674 --> 00:33:30,844 What--What was it about her that set you off? 877 00:33:30,885 --> 00:33:33,263 Well, I just--when I see Angie, it just made me think of Jen. 878 00:33:33,304 --> 00:33:34,556 ANDY: Uh-huh. 879 00:33:34,597 --> 00:33:37,017 [singsongy] Serving up banana bread. 880 00:33:37,058 --> 00:33:40,520 Oh, my God. I thought that was Jen. [gasps] 881 00:33:40,562 --> 00:33:43,440 I mean, she looked like Jen. Jen--they kinda dressed alike. 882 00:33:43,481 --> 00:33:46,568 They are, like, the same height, and it just scared me. 883 00:33:46,609 --> 00:33:49,946 I was like, not Jen again. 884 00:33:49,988 --> 00:33:52,657 And then she kept touching my clothes with her cake. 885 00:33:52,699 --> 00:33:55,535 Do you remember that? You had cake? She had cake, 886 00:33:55,577 --> 00:33:57,370 and she was, "Mary," and she was touching me, 887 00:33:57,412 --> 00:33:58,830 and I was like, "Stop touching me." 888 00:33:58,872 --> 00:34:00,290 -Oh, with the banana bread? -Yeah, it was bread. 889 00:34:00,331 --> 00:34:01,541 At the Fresh Powder. 890 00:34:01,583 --> 00:34:03,501 Well, I'm definitely really touchy. 891 00:34:03,543 --> 00:34:07,672 -ANGIE: Are you eating anything? -MARY: No. 892 00:34:07,714 --> 00:34:10,300 Mmm. 893 00:34:10,342 --> 00:34:11,968 ANGIE: There are no plates out here. 894 00:34:12,010 --> 00:34:13,845 I'm not sitting on any of your beautiful things. 895 00:34:13,887 --> 00:34:15,847 Do you want me to help you get this on? 896 00:34:15,889 --> 00:34:17,557 Thank you. 897 00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:20,060 Mary just asked me if I was a yes person. 898 00:34:20,101 --> 00:34:22,312 *** 899 00:34:22,354 --> 00:34:23,938 -I didn't realize. -She is. She's a toucher. 900 00:34:23,980 --> 00:34:25,607 You spilled cake-- banana bread on her. 901 00:34:25,648 --> 00:34:27,525 -Did I really? -Yeah. 902 00:34:27,567 --> 00:34:28,443 -Oh, I'm so sorry. -It's okay. 903 00:34:28,485 --> 00:34:30,528 -[scoffs] -Well, send me 904 00:34:30,570 --> 00:34:32,072 the dry cleaning bill. 905 00:34:32,113 --> 00:34:33,865 I am touchy. I did--it's-- I'll make sure to-- 906 00:34:33,907 --> 00:34:36,201 -Rein it in. -Yeah, I reined it in. 907 00:34:36,242 --> 00:34:39,704 Who in this group do you like? 908 00:34:39,746 --> 00:34:41,331 Um... 909 00:34:42,374 --> 00:34:44,042 [Lisa chuckles softly] 910 00:34:44,084 --> 00:34:45,919 Okay, so I do like Angie. 911 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,671 -ANDY: Oh--Oh, you like Angie? -I do. 912 00:34:47,712 --> 00:34:49,130 -Oh, okay. -I do, 'cause Angie 913 00:34:49,172 --> 00:34:50,715 can take my toughness. -Oh, okay. 914 00:34:50,757 --> 00:34:52,217 Like, she can-- she can handle me. 915 00:34:52,258 --> 00:34:53,218 -ANDY: Okay. -I like Monica. 916 00:34:53,259 --> 00:34:54,719 -Yep. -She's pretty. 917 00:34:54,761 --> 00:34:56,680 -Yep. -I think she's a good addition. 918 00:34:56,721 --> 00:34:58,640 -And I love Meredith. -ANDY: Yeah. 919 00:34:58,682 --> 00:35:00,225 -MARY: And... -I love you. 920 00:35:00,266 --> 00:35:02,977 -That's probably about it. -Okay. 921 00:35:03,019 --> 00:35:04,771 Well, I did like you until I seen your interview. 922 00:35:04,813 --> 00:35:06,356 What interview? 923 00:35:06,398 --> 00:35:08,566 I seen you--You start talking about my house, like saying... 924 00:35:08,608 --> 00:35:09,984 [mockingly] "This is gonna... it's--it's..." 925 00:35:10,026 --> 00:35:12,070 You get a tour of Mary's house," and, like, making fun. 926 00:35:12,112 --> 00:35:13,822 Oh, my gosh. 927 00:35:13,863 --> 00:35:17,033 Mary's décor is exactly like Mary's personality. 928 00:35:17,075 --> 00:35:19,411 You never quite know what you're gonna get. 929 00:35:19,452 --> 00:35:25,000 Green carpet, Chanel pillows, Dr. Seuss chairs from Whoville. 930 00:35:25,959 --> 00:35:27,794 But you don't like the reaction to your house, 931 00:35:27,836 --> 00:35:29,379 but we all are fine with your reactions to us, 932 00:35:29,421 --> 00:35:31,131 and they're not nice. 933 00:35:31,172 --> 00:35:32,257 I don't say anything about you. 934 00:35:32,298 --> 00:35:33,758 What do I say about you, Miss Lisa? 935 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,052 Um, not this season. Not this season, you didn't. 936 00:35:36,094 --> 00:35:37,429 Okay, then be quiet. 937 00:35:37,470 --> 00:35:38,638 Yeah. No, I'm not gonna be quiet. 938 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,432 With all due, you called Heather inbred. 939 00:35:40,473 --> 00:35:41,850 I know. So what's worse, 940 00:35:41,891 --> 00:35:43,476 your house comment or calling her inbred? 941 00:35:43,518 --> 00:35:45,770 -I mean, right. Well, that's... -Yeah. 942 00:35:45,812 --> 00:35:49,482 -Do you think I look inbred? -I do. 943 00:35:49,524 --> 00:35:51,568 I think my house comment's worse. 944 00:35:51,609 --> 00:35:52,736 -You think--you do? -[scoffs] 945 00:35:52,777 --> 00:35:55,030 -I do. -About your décor is worse... 946 00:35:55,071 --> 00:35:56,614 -Because she's phony. -...than saying she looks-- 947 00:35:56,656 --> 00:35:57,782 Like, don't come to my house and say, 948 00:35:57,824 --> 00:35:59,242 "Oh, this is so pretty." -That's not phony. 949 00:35:59,284 --> 00:36:00,493 -"Is this a mansion?" -I said your house was grand. 950 00:36:00,535 --> 00:36:02,287 I said it has elements that are unique, 951 00:36:02,328 --> 00:36:05,665 that are characteristic. It has huge throne-like chairs. 952 00:36:05,707 --> 00:36:08,084 I'm just trying to--I mean, what I'm saying is-- 953 00:36:08,126 --> 00:36:09,252 We had a great time at your house. 954 00:36:09,294 --> 00:36:10,670 I was in my house before this show. 955 00:36:10,712 --> 00:36:12,547 I didn't need this to get, like, 956 00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:14,424 you got your house after the show, and that-- 957 00:36:14,466 --> 00:36:15,550 -After my business. -You both did. 958 00:36:15,592 --> 00:36:17,135 I got my house. 959 00:36:17,177 --> 00:36:18,470 What did she say about the house? 960 00:36:18,511 --> 00:36:20,347 Mary, you don't know anything about me. 961 00:36:20,388 --> 00:36:21,473 I've been in the same house for-- 962 00:36:21,514 --> 00:36:23,058 They made fun--They both made fun of me. 963 00:36:23,099 --> 00:36:24,684 LISA: Nobody made fun of you. Nobody made fun of you. 964 00:36:24,726 --> 00:36:25,810 You're welcome to come--You're welcome to come to my house. 965 00:36:25,852 --> 00:36:27,270 I was just commenting on what I saw, 966 00:36:27,312 --> 00:36:28,563 and I was excited to be invited. -if you came to my house, 967 00:36:28,605 --> 00:36:30,357 you'd give your opinion on my house, too. 968 00:36:30,398 --> 00:36:32,025 You know, it's really interesting because 969 00:36:32,067 --> 00:36:34,486 you say everything to people's faces. 970 00:36:34,527 --> 00:36:36,780 -I do. -And it's shocking. 971 00:36:36,821 --> 00:36:38,615 -Thank you, Andy. -I mean, it--it-- 972 00:36:38,656 --> 00:36:40,033 -I'm saying thank you... -Yeah. 973 00:36:40,075 --> 00:36:41,034 ...'cause I say it to your face. 974 00:36:41,076 --> 00:36:44,412 What made you wear that necklace? 975 00:36:44,454 --> 00:36:46,664 -Do you have a mute button? -No, I don't. 976 00:36:46,706 --> 00:36:49,250 -Well, you need to get one. -I'm on "Play" all the time. 977 00:36:49,292 --> 00:36:51,670 You like to eat. You're a beautiful girl. 978 00:36:51,711 --> 00:36:55,465 -Thank you. -Don't just eat your life away. 979 00:36:55,507 --> 00:36:57,884 Wake up, bobblehead. 980 00:36:59,761 --> 00:37:02,097 But sometimes you say kind of horrible things 981 00:37:02,138 --> 00:37:04,474 to people's face. -Well, they can say it back 982 00:37:04,516 --> 00:37:08,019 if they want to avoid each other's face. 983 00:37:08,061 --> 00:37:09,270 What? 984 00:37:09,312 --> 00:37:11,022 Why is she butting in? Who's talking to you? 985 00:37:11,064 --> 00:37:12,857 Because it happened to me. Because I'm part of this. 986 00:37:12,899 --> 00:37:14,651 -What happened to you? -Because, like, you say 987 00:37:14,693 --> 00:37:16,319 something horrible to me, and then you don't like 988 00:37:16,361 --> 00:37:18,029 something I say that's, like, not even the same magnitude. 989 00:37:18,071 --> 00:37:19,531 And then you're like, "I'm not talking to Lisa." 990 00:37:19,572 --> 00:37:21,199 I mean, it's like-- 991 00:37:21,241 --> 00:37:22,909 I don't know how she inserted herself in that. I don't know 992 00:37:22,951 --> 00:37:24,411 what she's talking about. I'm not even talking to Lisa. 993 00:37:24,452 --> 00:37:25,704 I insert myself because I'm a Housewife. 994 00:37:25,745 --> 00:37:27,205 Well, she's responding as a member of the group, 995 00:37:27,247 --> 00:37:28,873 because I'm saying that you say things to people's faces. 996 00:37:28,915 --> 00:37:31,209 I know, but I think that's a good thing 997 00:37:31,251 --> 00:37:33,712 to this group that you say-- I say it to their face. Why-- 998 00:37:33,753 --> 00:37:35,672 Yeah, and then when we say things to your face back-- 999 00:37:35,714 --> 00:37:37,173 You don't say anything to my face. 1000 00:37:37,215 --> 00:37:39,801 I do. I do say exactly what I mean to you to your face. 1001 00:37:39,843 --> 00:37:42,262 Okay, well, our relationship has been done. 1002 00:37:42,303 --> 00:37:45,348 Exactly. So what? So what? 1003 00:37:54,649 --> 00:37:54,983 *** 1004 00:37:57,527 --> 00:37:59,946 I think that's a good thing to this group that you say-- 1005 00:37:59,988 --> 00:38:02,407 I say it to their face. Why-- -Yeah, and then when 1006 00:38:02,449 --> 00:38:03,742 we say things to your face back-- 1007 00:38:03,783 --> 00:38:05,243 You don't say anything to my face. 1008 00:38:05,285 --> 00:38:07,871 I do. I do say exactly what I mean to you to your face. 1009 00:38:07,912 --> 00:38:10,331 Okay, well, our relationship has been done. 1010 00:38:10,373 --> 00:38:13,418 Exactly. So what? So what? 1011 00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:15,962 *** 1012 00:38:16,004 --> 00:38:19,132 Let's talk about Robert Jr. Is he married or not? 1013 00:38:19,174 --> 00:38:21,426 They said they're married, but I still haven't seen 1014 00:38:21,468 --> 00:38:23,970 that, like... -The paperwork. 1015 00:38:24,012 --> 00:38:26,639 Why am I hearing rumors that you're married? 1016 00:38:26,681 --> 00:38:28,391 [chuckles] 1017 00:38:28,433 --> 00:38:30,852 Is it true? 1018 00:38:30,894 --> 00:38:33,897 [sighs] I mean, kinda, yeah. 1019 00:38:33,938 --> 00:38:35,607 Does he need to show you the paperwork, 1020 00:38:35,648 --> 00:38:36,983 or I mean, do you-- 1021 00:38:37,025 --> 00:38:38,651 To prove to me that he's married, yeah. 1022 00:38:38,693 --> 00:38:40,862 -You don't believe him? -I can't even say it. 1023 00:38:40,904 --> 00:38:42,489 Like, I'm like, "Get your girlfriend." 1024 00:38:42,530 --> 00:38:44,741 Like, I keep calling her his girlfriend, so...but maybe. 1025 00:38:44,783 --> 00:38:47,952 Do you think he felt that he couldn't tell you 1026 00:38:47,994 --> 00:38:50,163 that he was married? -Of course, because 1027 00:38:50,205 --> 00:38:52,165 I was steady telling him, "That is not your wife." 1028 00:38:52,207 --> 00:38:53,583 Do you think he's too young or... 1029 00:38:53,625 --> 00:38:55,502 Yeah, way too young. To be married? 1030 00:38:55,543 --> 00:38:56,961 -How old is he? -He's 21 now. 1031 00:38:57,003 --> 00:38:57,921 -Wow. Yeah, he's young. -Yeah. Yeah. 1032 00:38:57,962 --> 00:38:59,172 -LISA: Young. -MARY: Yeah. 1033 00:38:59,214 --> 00:39:02,801 How is it living with Robert Jr. and his wife? 1034 00:39:02,842 --> 00:39:05,595 Well, I mean, about three months before we started filming, 1035 00:39:05,637 --> 00:39:07,222 she moved in. 1036 00:39:07,263 --> 00:39:09,432 What made you think he would be bad in bed? 1037 00:39:09,474 --> 00:39:11,768 -How is your son, by the way? -He's good. 1038 00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:13,645 He's always doing his own thing with his girlfriend. 1039 00:39:13,687 --> 00:39:15,105 [snickers] 1040 00:39:15,146 --> 00:39:17,607 But, um, I heard all this noise, and I was going upstairs. 1041 00:39:17,649 --> 00:39:19,693 -What were they doing? -Ugh. 1042 00:39:19,734 --> 00:39:23,363 -Ooh! Oh. [snorting] -I said, oh, my gosh. 1043 00:39:23,405 --> 00:39:26,991 I said, "Don't make my son think he's better than he is. 1044 00:39:27,033 --> 00:39:29,160 Just stop doing all that. Stop playing." 1045 00:39:29,202 --> 00:39:32,205 -[laughing] -"Stop it. Tell him the truth." 1046 00:39:32,247 --> 00:39:35,875 Andy, I didn't think he was bad in bed. 1047 00:39:35,917 --> 00:39:37,961 I just said--told the wife or the girlfriend, 1048 00:39:38,003 --> 00:39:41,131 "Stop pretending." Like, 'cause I walk past their room, 1049 00:39:41,172 --> 00:39:42,716 and I hear all this noise. And... [giggles] 1050 00:39:42,757 --> 00:39:46,052 And all this screaming and all this dramatic... 1051 00:39:46,094 --> 00:39:48,304 and I'm like, it's not that serious. Like, don't make-- 1052 00:39:48,346 --> 00:39:50,473 Don't give him a big head and think that he's this really, 1053 00:39:50,515 --> 00:39:54,102 you know, like just...come on. Like, I, you know, 1054 00:39:54,144 --> 00:39:57,188 'cause she was like, "Aah!" It was like a yell, like a... 1055 00:39:57,230 --> 00:39:58,773 and I was like, "What's wrong?" And I was like, are they okay? 1056 00:39:58,815 --> 00:40:01,901 -And then I opened the... -[gasps] 1057 00:40:01,943 --> 00:40:03,069 -MARY: That happened. -Oh, you opened the door? 1058 00:40:03,111 --> 00:40:05,739 Well, kind of, but I got the point 1059 00:40:05,780 --> 00:40:07,073 before I did...yeah. -Yeah. 1060 00:40:07,115 --> 00:40:08,408 -And I...I-- -Well, if you got the point 1061 00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:10,201 what was happening, why would you open the door? 1062 00:40:10,243 --> 00:40:11,369 -I left. I left. I was... -Okay. 1063 00:40:11,411 --> 00:40:13,204 -I was scarred. -So, you told her..." 1064 00:40:13,246 --> 00:40:15,415 -[laughs] -..."Stop with the histrionics." 1065 00:40:15,457 --> 00:40:17,959 Be true to it. Like, if it's like that, then... 1066 00:40:18,001 --> 00:40:19,961 But if it's not, don't make him think it is. 1067 00:40:20,003 --> 00:40:21,921 -Don't be faking it. -Oh, my. 1068 00:40:21,963 --> 00:40:23,298 -Okay. -Yeah. That's all. 1069 00:40:23,340 --> 00:40:26,426 -LISA: Oh, my gosh. -So, Whitney, how did you feel 1070 00:40:26,468 --> 00:40:28,553 about having Mary back in the mix? 1071 00:40:28,595 --> 00:40:30,930 You know, I was nervous. 1072 00:40:30,972 --> 00:40:32,557 Whitney's terrified of me for some reason. 1073 00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:35,477 No, no. I was--No, I was grateful to have the opportunity 1074 00:40:35,518 --> 00:40:37,103 to try to resolve things with her. 1075 00:40:37,145 --> 00:40:38,772 -I did not like how it ended... -ANDY: Yeah. 1076 00:40:38,813 --> 00:40:42,525 ...the season prior. I feel bad 'cause I wanted the opportunity 1077 00:40:42,567 --> 00:40:44,402 to repair that. -Well, I mean... 1078 00:40:44,444 --> 00:40:46,112 But you have to realize everything that came out 1079 00:40:46,154 --> 00:40:47,739 about you was not what we were saying. 1080 00:40:47,781 --> 00:40:49,074 It was in the press. It was in the news. 1081 00:40:49,115 --> 00:40:50,533 That's not true. That's not true. 1082 00:40:50,575 --> 00:40:52,202 -And-- -And like I said, 1083 00:40:52,243 --> 00:40:55,288 there's a lot of things that came out about you guys all, 1084 00:40:55,330 --> 00:40:58,917 and I never, ever did that, what you guys did to me, ever. 1085 00:40:58,958 --> 00:41:01,878 And I've heard really horrible things about you. 1086 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,338 -I'm sure you have. -But I've never said it, 1087 00:41:03,380 --> 00:41:05,548 and I won't because that's who I am, so remember that. 1088 00:41:05,590 --> 00:41:07,258 Okay, well, to answer your question, 1089 00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:10,303 I was grateful to try to have the opportunity 1090 00:41:10,345 --> 00:41:12,389 to repair with Mary. 1091 00:41:12,430 --> 00:41:14,140 I don't care, really. 1092 00:41:14,182 --> 00:41:17,352 Clark from Atlanta said, "Whitney, do you realize 1093 00:41:17,394 --> 00:41:18,812 how damaging it was to call 1094 00:41:18,853 --> 00:41:22,107 Mary and Robert Sr. predators season two? 1095 00:41:22,148 --> 00:41:23,608 Did you mean sexually or that they engage 1096 00:41:23,650 --> 00:41:27,862 in predatory behavior for financial gain at their church? 1097 00:41:27,904 --> 00:41:30,740 We, the audience, were left wondering. Not okay." 1098 00:41:30,782 --> 00:41:33,535 Yeah, no. The predator thing for me 1099 00:41:33,576 --> 00:41:35,245 probably is just my own trauma 1100 00:41:35,286 --> 00:41:36,996 with being in a high-demand religion, 1101 00:41:37,038 --> 00:41:38,707 so I apologize for that. 1102 00:41:38,748 --> 00:41:40,667 I don't think you're a predator, Mary. 1103 00:41:40,709 --> 00:41:42,711 I'm not, and my husband isn't either. 1104 00:41:42,752 --> 00:41:46,089 Never, never sexual, ever. No. 1105 00:41:46,131 --> 00:41:48,883 Whitney, you had some strong feelings. 1106 00:41:48,925 --> 00:41:50,927 You tweeted, "I cannot sit and listen 1107 00:41:50,969 --> 00:41:52,387 to this evil and mean woman talk about growth." 1108 00:41:52,429 --> 00:41:53,763 Mm-hmm. 1109 00:41:53,805 --> 00:41:57,851 Just gets monotonous trying to give people chances, 1110 00:41:57,892 --> 00:42:00,020 and you think you're gonna go back into a crowd 1111 00:42:00,061 --> 00:42:01,771 of people that's gonna grow. 1112 00:42:01,813 --> 00:42:04,232 -Mm-hmm. -And they still haven't grown. 1113 00:42:04,274 --> 00:42:07,068 I don't have the energy. I'm exhausted for these people. 1114 00:42:07,110 --> 00:42:08,361 I need to see change. 1115 00:42:08,403 --> 00:42:10,780 "OMFG. Skull emoji." 1116 00:42:10,822 --> 00:42:13,158 -Tell me how you really feel. -[chuckles] 1117 00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:17,162 It's hard because I feel like I've personally put so much work 1118 00:42:17,203 --> 00:42:19,372 into myself over the last-- 1119 00:42:19,414 --> 00:42:22,167 I mean, I've spent thousands of dollars in therapy. 1120 00:42:22,208 --> 00:42:26,921 I've been making it a conscious effort to be a better person. 1121 00:42:26,963 --> 00:42:30,884 And so to see you talk about us that way, 1122 00:42:30,925 --> 00:42:34,637 to see what--what you would say in your confessional about us-- 1123 00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:36,848 So, you're saying you--what you're tweeting, calling me, 1124 00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:38,725 cursing me and calling me names is growth? 1125 00:42:38,767 --> 00:42:40,226 Is that what you're saying? 1126 00:42:40,268 --> 00:42:42,771 Well, I would have probably honestly never tweeted that 1127 00:42:42,812 --> 00:42:45,732 had you not gone and tweeted about me. 1128 00:42:45,774 --> 00:42:47,108 I didn't tweet anything about you. 1129 00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:51,404 I just said you were racist. I said you're racist, 1130 00:42:51,446 --> 00:42:53,573 and that's what--yeah. -WHITNEY: But she's-- 1131 00:42:53,615 --> 00:42:56,701 ANDY: Well, I mean, if you tweeted that she's racist... 1132 00:42:56,743 --> 00:42:58,078 -WHITNEY: Yeah. -Yeah, I did. 1133 00:42:58,119 --> 00:42:59,579 You believe that Whitney's racist? 1134 00:42:59,621 --> 00:43:02,457 -I do, 100%. -[gasps] 1135 00:43:11,049 --> 00:43:11,716 [indistinct conversations] 1136 00:43:12,842 --> 00:43:14,594 You believe that Whitney's racist? 1137 00:43:14,636 --> 00:43:15,929 -I do. -ANDY: You do. 1138 00:43:15,970 --> 00:43:17,138 -100%. -[gasps] 1139 00:43:17,180 --> 00:43:20,058 -I do. -That breaks my heart. 1140 00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:21,476 -Based on what? -I don't believe that. 1141 00:43:21,518 --> 00:43:23,228 -I don't believe it either. -What they brought up, 1142 00:43:23,269 --> 00:43:24,521 what they were brought up in. -LISA: That's not true. 1143 00:43:24,562 --> 00:43:25,980 Their religion they were brought--Heather knows. 1144 00:43:26,022 --> 00:43:27,148 Because I inherited Mormonism? 1145 00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:28,316 -Based on the religion? -Mm-hmm. 1146 00:43:28,358 --> 00:43:30,527 I believe that they have their beliefs. 1147 00:43:30,568 --> 00:43:32,320 -Okay. -And they have that our color 1148 00:43:32,362 --> 00:43:35,490 is cursed by the color of Cain. -[gasps] 1149 00:43:35,532 --> 00:43:39,202 And that we will be in a different heaven--our color. 1150 00:43:39,244 --> 00:43:40,453 Our skin color will be in a different heaven, 1151 00:43:40,495 --> 00:43:42,038 and we'll be the help, and that was taught. 1152 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,873 -Is that what Mormons believe? -And Heather-- 1153 00:43:43,915 --> 00:43:45,000 -Heather can vouch for me. -No. 1154 00:43:45,041 --> 00:43:46,376 -I mean-- -I'm Mormon, 1155 00:43:46,418 --> 00:43:47,836 so can somebody ask me? I'd like to answer. 1156 00:43:47,877 --> 00:43:49,337 There is Mormon doctrine. It is-- 1157 00:43:49,379 --> 00:43:51,506 Mormon doctrine is rooted in racism. 1158 00:43:51,548 --> 00:43:52,841 -No, it is not. That's a lie. -But the Mormon Church today... 1159 00:43:52,882 --> 00:43:54,009 -It is. -...is making... 1160 00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:55,385 -LISA: It is not. -...efforts... [stammers] 1161 00:43:55,427 --> 00:43:57,220 MARY: Thank you, Heather, for saying that. 1162 00:43:57,262 --> 00:44:00,348 ...on every level to outreach, but we...you know, 1163 00:44:00,390 --> 00:44:02,308 we have to acknowledge it in order to change it. 1164 00:44:02,350 --> 00:44:03,852 Whitney, you wanna say what? 1165 00:44:03,893 --> 00:44:06,146 I just want Mary to know 'cause-- 1166 00:44:06,187 --> 00:44:09,149 'cause that's a big accusation to make, 1167 00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:11,568 and I...I am no longer a member of the Mormon Church, 1168 00:44:11,609 --> 00:44:13,361 and that was part of my process for me. 1169 00:44:13,403 --> 00:44:16,823 Well, I'm--I don't have anything against the Mormon Church. 1170 00:44:16,865 --> 00:44:19,451 I don't have anything against the Mormon Church, Heather. 1171 00:44:19,492 --> 00:44:20,827 -I know, but you just-- -But you just said 1172 00:44:20,869 --> 00:44:23,246 it's a racist church. -Yes. 1173 00:44:23,288 --> 00:44:24,831 Right, but it doesn't mean I have anything against them. 1174 00:44:24,873 --> 00:44:27,250 It's--That's their religion, and that's their belief, 1175 00:44:27,292 --> 00:44:28,710 but it doesn't--I don't have anything against them. 1176 00:44:28,752 --> 00:44:31,463 -But what have I done? -Personally, I think we would-- 1177 00:44:31,504 --> 00:44:33,048 wish we can just leave them alone. That's... 1178 00:44:33,089 --> 00:44:35,008 And that's fair, Mary. That part's fair. 1179 00:44:35,050 --> 00:44:38,094 We're women of white privilege as well, 1180 00:44:38,136 --> 00:44:40,263 so inherently there are things that we have to-- 1181 00:44:40,305 --> 00:44:42,057 Go ahead and preach it, Whitney. 1182 00:44:42,098 --> 00:44:43,391 -No, I'm-- -You've been saying 1183 00:44:43,433 --> 00:44:44,642 some good things lately. I have to say that. 1184 00:44:44,684 --> 00:44:46,269 -I've been learning, Mary. -Go ahead. 1185 00:44:46,311 --> 00:44:47,896 -What? [chuckles] -But I wanna know personally 1186 00:44:47,937 --> 00:44:50,065 what have I done or said to you? 1187 00:44:50,106 --> 00:44:53,651 It's not--It's not anything you do or say. It's your actions, 1188 00:44:53,693 --> 00:44:56,654 and it's a feeling, and you have to be my color to know it. 1189 00:44:56,696 --> 00:44:58,239 -Yeah, okay, that's fair. -It's not something 1190 00:44:58,281 --> 00:44:59,407 that somebody could teach you. -That's fair. 1191 00:44:59,449 --> 00:45:00,867 It's not something somebody can tell you. 1192 00:45:00,909 --> 00:45:02,452 -I just wanted to make sure-- -That's the truth. 1193 00:45:02,494 --> 00:45:04,287 -I'm curious-- -That's the truth. 1194 00:45:04,329 --> 00:45:05,914 I just wanna make sure I have not personally done or said 1195 00:45:05,955 --> 00:45:07,791 anything to you of that nature. -Okay, well, that's important. 1196 00:45:07,832 --> 00:45:09,459 -Has--Has she? -No. No. 1197 00:45:09,501 --> 00:45:10,877 Okay. Thank you. 1198 00:45:10,919 --> 00:45:13,838 Mary, um, you weren't in Bermuda, 1199 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,091 but after you watched the finale, what did you think 1200 00:45:16,132 --> 00:45:18,760 of what the women discovered about Monica? 1201 00:45:18,802 --> 00:45:22,222 You are a fucking bully and a fucking troll, 1202 00:45:22,263 --> 00:45:25,850 and you do not deserve to be at this table 1203 00:45:25,892 --> 00:45:29,688 or anywhere near any of us for the way you've treated us! 1204 00:45:31,314 --> 00:45:33,483 I thought it was a little bit over the top, 1205 00:45:33,525 --> 00:45:35,944 like it was a little much with how they treated her 1206 00:45:35,985 --> 00:45:38,488 and how they pushed her out, especially no one was reflecting 1207 00:45:38,530 --> 00:45:39,906 on themselves and what they went through. 1208 00:45:39,948 --> 00:45:43,284 That was a little much because I have no idea who... 1209 00:45:43,326 --> 00:45:46,454 whatever the--the troll account is. I don't... 1210 00:45:46,496 --> 00:45:48,123 Would you care if that account called you a dumb bitch? 1211 00:45:48,164 --> 00:45:50,291 -I'm just asking. -Probably not. 1212 00:45:50,333 --> 00:45:51,835 -Okay. You wouldn't care? -I don't care. 1213 00:45:51,876 --> 00:45:53,461 -That wouldn't bother you? Okay. -No. I get called everything 1214 00:45:53,503 --> 00:45:55,046 on the internet. -Just wanted to make sure. 1215 00:45:55,088 --> 00:45:56,464 Like Twitter, they come for me hard, and I just cut 'em off. 1216 00:45:56,506 --> 00:45:58,550 What if like a good friend called another good friend 1217 00:45:58,591 --> 00:46:00,468 a garbage whore who can go fuck herself? 1218 00:46:00,510 --> 00:46:02,095 Oh, 'cause you know you called Mary a dumb bitch. 1219 00:46:02,137 --> 00:46:04,806 -That's why you're speaking up. -No one called--No, I'm saying-- 1220 00:46:04,848 --> 00:46:07,767 Come on. Yeah, get the audio from my best friend, 1221 00:46:07,809 --> 00:46:10,562 because you fucking bitches have nothing else-- 1222 00:46:10,603 --> 00:46:11,479 I didn't get anything from your best friend. 1223 00:46:11,521 --> 00:46:13,690 Yes, that girl right there did. 1224 00:46:15,483 --> 00:46:17,986 -Who? -LISA: You. This is about you. 1225 00:46:18,028 --> 00:46:20,447 -This is about you. -No, it's not. 1226 00:46:20,488 --> 00:46:24,367 And what you're not gonna do is play one side of something 1227 00:46:24,409 --> 00:46:26,119 and make it look a certain way. 1228 00:46:26,161 --> 00:46:29,706 No one said anything about Mary ever. 1229 00:46:29,748 --> 00:46:31,416 ANGIE: Start over. 1230 00:46:31,458 --> 00:46:34,294 -MARY: What is she saying? -Can't hear it. 1231 00:46:34,336 --> 00:46:36,129 -LISA: Do you wanna hear it? -What is that? 1232 00:46:36,171 --> 00:46:37,464 -Monica, you said it, so... -I--No. 1233 00:46:37,505 --> 00:46:39,090 why don't you tell us what it is? 1234 00:46:39,132 --> 00:46:40,467 You're not gonna play one 10-second clip. 1235 00:46:40,508 --> 00:46:42,344 -No, I did not. Shut your mouth. -Yeah, she did. 1236 00:46:42,385 --> 00:46:44,512 -I'm not gonna shut my mouth. -It's your voice. 1237 00:46:44,554 --> 00:46:47,807 You're not gonna sit here-- I was not talking about Mary. 1238 00:46:47,849 --> 00:46:51,269 A different Mary? You're gonna dump a DM in a--in a-- 1239 00:46:51,311 --> 00:46:54,522 That is what Jen was saying about her, 1240 00:46:54,564 --> 00:46:56,191 and you need to be playing all of those 1241 00:46:56,232 --> 00:46:57,359 and the other person's side... -I don't need to play anything. 1242 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,527 ...of where you got them from. 1243 00:46:59,569 --> 00:47:00,904 You know how she snapped on this real quick? 1244 00:47:00,945 --> 00:47:02,405 Because she knew it was something she said. 1245 00:47:02,447 --> 00:47:05,492 -Lisa, seriously, stop. -This is what you said. 1246 00:47:05,533 --> 00:47:07,535 Do you see what you guys are doing right now? 1247 00:47:07,577 --> 00:47:08,870 No, I don't see--What are you doing right now? 1248 00:47:08,912 --> 00:47:10,497 What about me calling someone a dumb bitch... 1249 00:47:10,538 --> 00:47:11,873 When I said dumb bitch-- When I said dumb bitch-- 1250 00:47:11,915 --> 00:47:13,249 You've never called someone a dumb bitch ever, ever? 1251 00:47:13,291 --> 00:47:14,542 -With a burner account? -Not with your intentions. 1252 00:47:14,584 --> 00:47:16,086 Dump it in her DMs when you could do it 1253 00:47:16,127 --> 00:47:18,588 as Reality Von (Tea)se is... -Not with your intentions. 1254 00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:19,839 -Heather, shut the fuck up. -LISA: She's--wow. 1255 00:47:19,881 --> 00:47:22,884 -[bleep] is Reality Von (Tea)se. -LISA: Wow. 1256 00:47:22,926 --> 00:47:24,552 -You're Reality Von (Tea)se. -It's six people. 1257 00:47:24,594 --> 00:47:26,805 -It's six people, Lisa. -It's not. 1258 00:47:26,846 --> 00:47:28,390 You don't know what you're talk--Are you serious? 1259 00:47:28,431 --> 00:47:30,225 -Monica, it's you. -I cannot wait for it 1260 00:47:30,266 --> 00:47:31,559 to come out because it was six! 1261 00:47:31,601 --> 00:47:33,144 Does it really matter if it's one or six? 1262 00:47:33,186 --> 00:47:35,563 Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. 1263 00:47:35,605 --> 00:47:37,232 -We have a million of 'em. -Hold on. 1264 00:47:37,273 --> 00:47:39,734 -I wanna say something. -Yes. 1265 00:47:39,776 --> 00:47:41,486 I feel like they should hear her out. 1266 00:47:41,528 --> 00:47:42,737 -ANDY: Okay. -Yeah. 1267 00:47:42,779 --> 00:47:44,239 I don't think they're letting her talk. 1268 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,824 Like, they don't give her a chance to say her side. 1269 00:47:45,865 --> 00:47:47,325 -No, they don't. they don't. -Well, they're going to have to 1270 00:47:47,367 --> 00:47:48,952 hear her out because we haven't discussed this issue yet. 1271 00:47:48,993 --> 00:47:50,578 -Okay. -But they're going to. 1272 00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:52,122 -Okay. -Because we all are anxious 1273 00:47:52,163 --> 00:47:54,624 to hear what she has to say. 1274 00:47:54,666 --> 00:47:56,376 *** 1275 00:48:01,464 --> 00:48:03,925 ANDY: Next week, the dramatic conclusion 1276 00:48:03,967 --> 00:48:06,928 of "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" reunion. 1277 00:48:06,970 --> 00:48:10,974 -Explain to me how this works. -How what works? The internet? 1278 00:48:11,016 --> 00:48:12,350 -No. -[laughter] 1279 00:48:12,392 --> 00:48:14,227 I just wanna know what level we start at. 1280 00:48:14,269 --> 00:48:17,188 Monica, we have not heard your side of the story about Bermuda. 1281 00:48:17,230 --> 00:48:20,650 -Okay, look. -Oh, Andy. 1282 00:48:20,692 --> 00:48:24,529 -This is a burn book. -You were stalking Jen. 1283 00:48:24,571 --> 00:48:25,905 -I did not stalk Jen. -You did, on multiple occasions. 1284 00:48:25,947 --> 00:48:27,407 -No one is stalking Jen! -You have four kids at home, 1285 00:48:27,449 --> 00:48:28,742 and you're a single mother with no income. 1286 00:48:28,783 --> 00:48:30,326 Do you have proof that she stalked Jen? 1287 00:48:30,368 --> 00:48:31,661 Yes, we do. 1288 00:48:31,703 --> 00:48:33,455 You set up Jen's security cameras? 1289 00:48:33,496 --> 00:48:36,624 -Yes. -You had ability to watch Jen 1290 00:48:36,666 --> 00:48:38,376 in her home and hear what she was saying. 1291 00:48:38,418 --> 00:48:40,211 -Yeah. -You told me you had evidence. 1292 00:48:40,253 --> 00:48:42,297 -No. -Are you accusing her of lying? 1293 00:48:42,339 --> 00:48:44,257 I'd rather sit here than sit there and be a rat 1294 00:48:44,299 --> 00:48:46,843 out of the fucking sewer. 1295 00:48:46,885 --> 00:48:51,222 *** 1296 00:48:51,264 --> 00:48:54,142 Is it too insurmountable for you guys to move on as a group? 1297 00:48:54,184 --> 00:48:56,102 [voice breaks] Heather can hate me all she wants. That's fine. 1298 00:48:56,144 --> 00:48:59,564 But she and I went through that same exact trauma. 1299 00:48:59,606 --> 00:49:02,108 -Jen gave you the black eye. -Yeah. 1300 00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:03,985 Tell us how it happened. 1301 00:49:04,027 --> 00:49:06,154 *** 1302 00:49:06,196 --> 00:49:08,365 [sniffles]