Previously, on "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City."
Look at these mobsters.
Wow, you guys look amazing! Look at you.
This thing that I have with my friends is not always copacetic.
I think you made a comment
about Lisa's parenting to Heather?
Why are you getting in my relationship with Angie?
You think you're head bitch in charge
and you can manage everyone's relationships.
You trust her feedback over our history and our friendship.
I cannot help you.
What are you doing, Heather?
People are talking about Prism,
basically that you're like,
white labelling jewelry from China.
That is----ed up.
I reached out to someone and...
verbally confirmed that it's Lisa Barlow.
- Nothing to do with me. - I am being told
that you planted it.
I didn't do it to you!
Shut the [bleep] up about that!
[tense music]
Whitney's accusing me of doing something I did not do
so I want you to get the police involved
and I want you to prove her wrong
'cause she's lying right now and I'm livid.
- I'm not lying. - I'm livid
You know what? Every time I think we're friends,
you [bleep] up.
You have to deal with the lies
and sift through the sh--.
She's not a liar.
Don't call my wife a liar.
- She's a liar, Justin. - She's not a---ing liar.
She's a liar!
Hey, whoa.
- Get your----ing hand off me. - Stop, stop, stop.
Don't put your hand on my chest.
Don't say those----ing words to my wife.
- I didn't say that. - Yeah, you did.
You did, you said she's not a----ing liar.
John, can you walk away, please?
What Lisa just did by charging at my husband
is wildly inappropriate
because she is trying to incite the husbands
into this drama now. And what does she expect to happen?
And that is your----ing problem.
We're not friends. My friends don't lie about me.
We're going to ask Mary,
we've got Mary doing a blessing
for my union.
Uh, Lisa.
She's a liar, good luck with that.
This is slander. You're accusing me vehemently,
stating that I did something that I know I did not do.
Somebody take her temperature because she's clearly sick.
Stay away from him.
I just told her I wanna give her the benefit of the doubt
and she keeps calling her attorney.
I didn't call my attorney,
I called my investigator and he's gonna investigate.
You're lying about me.
- You're lying about me. - I am not lying about you.
I need you all to take a deep breath.
Um, my daughter's here.
That or anything around it. I did not do it.
Okay, fingers down. I don't need chaos to ensue in my home.
- I did not do it. - Deep breath.
I'm gonna keep my fingers going.
If I had rented an event center,
you guys go at it, pull hair, take each other out.
But this is my house so we're not gonna do that here.
Just gonna ask everyone to be quiet for a minute
because Mary's gonna give us a blessing.
We probably should have done this hours ago.
Yeah, we should have.
It is so warm in here, or is it just me?
Okay, if I can ask everybody to like, join hands
with someone you love.
Lisa, will please grab Whitney's hands, please?
For me. Whitney, will you hold Lisa's hand?
I'm good.
It's very important.
Don't lie about me.
Then don't call me a liar.
Well, then, don't tell lies about me.
Okay, Heavenly Father,
we wanna thank you right now,
where we ask you to bless Angie, bless Elektra, and Shawn.
And bless all the ones under the sound of my voice.
We wanna feel your spirit and we pray in the name of Jesus.
- Thank you. - Amen
I did nothing to you through DMs, through fake accounts.
None of that is from me.
So, just remember that. I wouldn't do that to you.
I could hate you and I wouldn't do that to you.
And I don't hate you.
Because she's lying about it.
Ask, ask me.
John! John! John!
Get him the [bleep] away from me.
I'm gonna pound his ass.
You don't need to talk to Lisa.
Lisa and I are fine. We can handle ourselves.
This feels big, though.
I have never seen the husbands fight before.
Even when we are at each other's throats,
they get along. So, this scares me.
It feels unrecoverable.
Angie, Shawn
I'm exhausted by this.
Every time I feel like we take two steps forward,
she, like, goes back to this bullsh--.
And then for her to accuse me of that, bullsh--.
I bought her first - ing piece of jewelry.
- Wow. - That was awkward.
Mmhmm.
I do not like my character questioned.
I didn't----ing do anything to her
and I put up with enough.
I am not forgiving for this. We are done.
[tense music]
You know, let's go, this is crazy.
All right, see you guys.
[tense music]
- Hey. - Hey.
I cooked us a chicken.
Oh, my gosh, I love that chicken.
Uh, are you good with salads?
Yeah, that sounds really good.
What have you been doing?
Not much. I've had a quiet day.
You've had a quiet day?
I needed it after last night, Mr. Boxer.
No, Mister--
You're taking up some new sports.
Mr. I'm gonna stand up for my mouthy wife.
Oh, now I'm mouthy?
You'd better get ready to fight again.
[chuckles]
[drinks splashing]
You're dumping out all the Blue Jays?
Yeah. If they're not gonna support us,
why would we support them?
Do you wanna like, give it to someone?
Yeah, to the drain.
You gonna dump out all the Vida Tequila, too?
- Oh, yeah. - Oh, that is a gift.
Guess we don't accept gifts anymore from Barlows.
You're gonna dump a brand new bottle?
[tequila splashes]
All right, I feel better. How do you feel?
I was so surprised at Justin's reaction last night.
He went from a smile to "I'm gonna kill you" face.
Within a blink. And that's when my alarms--
Oh, I know. I was like, whoa.
My protector alarm
or whatever you wanna call it, went off.
I don't think you're in the wrong.
I thought Justin's reaction to me was super aggressive.
Like, if Whitney walked over to John
and just said, "Your----ing wife did this to me,"
John would be like, "Okay, Whitney, whatever."
Like, he wouldn't get aggressive in tone toward her.
Like, he's never gonna do that.
He was pissed.
The impact of John, like,
I had a rage that I haven't had in a long time
and I tried to stay calm,
and I know you were, like, freaking out, so...
Babe, I was freaking out
because I've never seen you do that before.
Well, when have you seen someone come
into my space like that?
Never. All you said is don't call my wife a liar.
"A----ing liar."
How do you feel about Justin right now?
Like, do you wanna talk to him?
If it comes down to it. I like Justin.
I'm not gonna let this get in the way of us being friends.
I think he's a cool dude.
And now we have to figure out a way to move forward.
Well, that's the first time that John
and I have ever had a situation.
Like, even the first time
that I've felt uncomfortable around John.
I think she wanted a fight.
To distract from what I had just called her out for.
She's defaming my character.
She's like, using a lie to attack me.
So, I'm like, you have no proof because I didn't do it.
If I wanted to get something out there,
I would go to The Post, New York Times,
maybe go on Good Morning America.
But like, nobody gives a [bleep]
about your jewelry anyway, Whitney.
You're hoping that this gets you 100,000
in sales when it airs. Good luck.
"We feel so bad for Whitney,
we're going to buy her healing necklaces."
She's gonna have to beg me to ever even look at her again.
[slurps drink]
- Hello. - Hi!
Hi.
You want matcha?
Yes, thank you.
I'm so glad you're on break.
You're on holiday.
The boss let me take a "15-minuter."
Yeah. She's so nice. I hear the boss is amazing.
I know, I hear the boss is amazing.
Okay, I am dying. I mean, what in the world?
How did that happen?
Like, did you see the fight happen?
No. Oh, is that what you're talking about?
Yeah, what did you...
Oh, I was talking about Jared showing up.
- That, too. - I mean, you know what?
Let's take it a step at a time.
There were so many traumas. First of all, Aaron.
Oh, I like, just started sweating, honestly.
- I, yeah. - I'm misting right now.
I have questions.
Jared shows up at the party.
His girlfriend's there with another date.
You looked like a war widow.
[oldtimey film clicking]
This is so messed up.
You're with Aaron. You can't do this.
What in the world?
We could see your pain.
I was, like, oh my gosh, she saw him.
- I love him. - I know.
And I am so confused because he's so good to me,
on the one hand, and so not all in on the other hand.
My heart's with you, and you know that.
Aaron's a great guy and I don't want to hurt him at all.
No, he seems like a great guy.
You should probably go hang out with him.
What happened to "I'm gonna repair my relationship
with my daughters and I'm gonna be single"?
That's still on the table. I am single.
I'm gonna give it to you straight.
All right.
I love you. I don't want you to look crazy
but you're talking crazy.
I don't know how to even talk to you about it
because we've had the same convo over and over.
I have totally sacrificed my kids for a man.
I should probably be single for a while.
- Are you in love with him? - Yes, I am in love with him.
I feel like that's so condescending.
I'm not trying to be condescending.
I understand that that might be hurtful.
I'm trying to give it to you straight.
Have you ever loved someone and then been stuck?
Like, found yourself right back just because you've loved--
I've had toxic relationships, yes.
And what did you do?
- ed up my entire life.
[sad music]
It's just hard. I mean, I,
I'’m just still searching for the love I've never gotten.
And I feel so alone.
With my kids being gone and my mom passing away,
who was my best friend.
- No, we're, I get it. - I just feel alone.
I am lonely. It's hard without my girls.
It's hard to be a mom without being able to be a mom.
But I don't feel like it's an either or.
I can still be the mom that I'm trying to be,
and date, and find some happiness of my own.
I don't want to hurt you.
I don't want you to feel
like you can't share
your crazy with me.
I, I am crazy.
If you're crazy, you are in a very good group.
I hope so.
[upbeat music]
I'm starving. I haven't eaten today.
Yeah, me either.
Table for two, yeah?
Table for two, right this way.
- Thank you. - You're welcome.
So cute, thank you.
Oh, it's nice and warm in here.
It's so cute in here. It's like the, um,
the ones at Deer Valley, huh?
- Yeah. - I'll grab you guys some water.
Thank you. Thanks.
Can I get an iced tea too, please?
Sounds great. Anything for you, ma'am?
Um, the cotto, please.
I'm gonna have the seared salmon, please.
- Sounds great. - Thank you.
I'll have that right out.
Um, well, how was your trip?
You got everything done?
Mmhmm.
Everybody was asking about, you know, where you were.
They all know I work in New York, so...
Todd really travels three to four days a week,
which provides an opportunity for my favorite thing,
which is to do an airport pickup in a costume.
[playful music]
Oink, oink.
I said oink, oink.
Don't ask.
Do you wanna dance with me?
Hello!
And after 10 years together,
it keeps it spicy.
I mean, I think he'd prefer
I picked him up at the airport in like,
something hot, maybe a different colored wig,
but he gets a pig, or a shark, or a frog prince, you know?
Exactly what he wants.
Okay, so tell me your schedule for next week,
because we've been talking
about doing a 10-year anniversary party.
But I was thinking, first big thing we did together
was going to that Indy race in Long Beach.
That was the race when I set you up to drive
- with Mario Andretti. - Yes.
And all you wanted to do was see that guy
from "The Bachelor".
It should have been your first clue
we were not from the same generation.
So, I looked and this race in Thermal is a big deal.
So, it's 10 years almost to the day,
that you and I went to Long Beach.
So, I thought we'd take all the ladies, take their husbands.
But the thing I'm a little on the fence about
is this Britani woman I was explaining to you.
This is the woman that brought one date to the party
and her boyfriend showed up?
Okay, I forgot I did drop you that text
that there was two dates.
I mean, I know there's polygamy in Utah, but that's...
Oh! Not polygamy in Utah, Todd.
They do a threesome in the car, or what?
Only on the way home 'cause they came separate.
Well, you never know.
So, I am not going to be having her.
Cool.
That the right take on that?
And you have to have room for two more guys.
Right? Um, the other thing I'm a little on the fence
about is, you know, I told you that Heather
and I have never really clicked.
So, I'm, I'm on the fence.
I think, if I don't invite her,
I don't know how that fixes whatever is going on between us.
It's just gonna make it worse.
It's a lot of work to get people to go
with us for that fabulous trip.
That's it for you, ma'am.
Thank you so much. Oh, it's perfect.
Could I get another iced tea too, please?
Seared salmon. And I'll have another tea right out.
Thank you. Here you go, baby doll.
So, you and I haven't even talked about Gwen yet.
It's been a rollercoaster ride with her and this.
Look, I know you were upset that this came up with Lisa.
I met with [bleep] yesterday.
I think there's regret and hurt there.
They've never done anything nice for Gwendolyn.
And these people are kinda despicable human beings.
I know. I know.
Todd is very protective of Gwen and her feelings.
He sees himself as a father figure to her.
And I think he sees this as a potential sandpit
that feels too messy for him.
So, as I've been trying to figure out
how to communicate with them and how to get this set up,
there were some weird messages
that read really cold.
And Gwen got crazy upset by it. She was very hurt.
I didn't like how they phrased certain things about like,
if I was ready or not,
when I feel like I've always been ready.
You know, it was more on their side that wasn't ready.
It's exactly what I was worried about,
which is a re-traumatization of what happened forever ago.
And I have this realization
as I'm going through this with Gwen,
and I'm pretty angry still
about everything that happened.
I know, but I don't wanna tell her to be angry
just because I am.
If she's not angry
then I want her to get along with them, you know?
We've talked about this enough.
You know how I feel about all of it.
So I'm done.
[upbeat music]
[car lock honks]
- Hi, welcome. - Hey, how are you?
I have a reservation for two under Barlow. Thank you.
I love it here. It's so pretty.
Good afternoon.
Hi, how are you?
Fantastic. Have you two been here before?
- I have not. I'm visiting. - This is her first time.
She's in from Austin. Denise is my younger sister.
I'm number three of six and she's number four of six.
I love all of my sisters,
I just have a super soft spot for Denise.
She was my only sibling in Utah,
so we were like, so involved in each other's lives.
Can I get a spicy margarita with Vida. Do you want one, too?
Yes, please.
Yeah. And then can we start
with Brussels sprouts?
- Yes. - And the charcuterie plate.
Yeah, of course. I'll get that going.
I miss it here. Miss the mountains.
You do? I miss New York.
Well, of course.
Hold on, it's John real quick. Hold on.
Hey. I'm just sitting at lunch with Denise.
Let me call you back on the way home. 'K?
All right, love you. Bye.
Is he okay?
No, we're codependent.
[both laugh]
It's a problem.
I love that.
I called him what, like six times
on the way here?
- Possibly. - Possibly?
- Cheers. - Cheers, thank you.
This looks amazing. Thank you.
But I mean, I think, like,
John and I complement each other really well.
We were at a party and you know,
he just wanted to protect me. And he just wants to,
like, make me feel supported and love.
And like, you know, we have our morning routine
where we drop Henry off at school
and then we go and get breakfast.
And then we go to the office and check in on everything.
How is Henry?
Um, I think it's hard with Jack gone.
Henry's not as social as Jack.
He had all of Jack's friends to, like, hype him up
and they would include him in everything.
And I feel like he lost, like, all of that.
It's like, hard as a mom seeing him, like,
mitigate things kind of like, alone.
I think what was really hard is like, around his birthday party,
he sent out, like, a last-minute invite to kids
and they went to another kid's party instead of his.
[Denise gasps]
I know!
Gonna make me cry.
And then he, like, was so embarrassed.
He's like, I don't even wanna go. I don't even wanna go.
And like, when we were driving there,
I was, like, in full on panic mode.
And I have like, this consummate guilt
of, like, did I let him down?
Because hearing him so upset
in the back seat of the car, I like felt
so bad for him. And I was like
Girl. Aw.
I'm okay. I just like...
The one thing I dissect is how I am as a mom.
And I feel like Mom tried to make like,
our childhood magical,
even though it was, like, hard
because she had six very different kids.
And so, like, I try to be like that with Henry.
You are.
And it makes me so sad having a friend
call me a bad mom because it must be, like,
what she's always thought about me.
That was truth serum for her.
You are an amazing mom.
I'm like, such a baby.
[upbeat music]
[dog barks]
Good morning. Hi.
Look at you!
- You know... - It's good.
A sleeping bag, it's a coat, it's everything.
Yeah. Is this where you walk, Bronwyn?
Sometimes. Usually I have my dogs, not friends.
I know. Don't get a nose job. They never stop running.
Don't get one? I've had two.
- Oh, you have? - I'm dying for a third.
I was hoping somebody was gonna hit me at your party.
I need an excuse.
I'm pissed. I'm pissed off.
I think that Lisa and John owe my husband a major apology.
Do you think they think they owe him an apology
or do you think they...
Well, John did text Justin, so we'll see.
So, I just got a text from John.
He said, "Hey Justin, you and I should probably talk
things out about what went down the other night."
I'm just gonna be really direct back to him and just say,
"Sounds good. Definitely wanna talk things out."
I was just gonna ask Lisa a few clarifying questions
on what I had found out.
That's what I wanted to hear is why you think it's Lisa.
So, we narrowed it down that it was Lisa Barlow.
I don't wanna believe that she would do this
but I think when she gets angry
this is how she gets revenge.
Lisa hurts other people to make herself feel better.
I don't have that experience with her.
I know but that, but, Bronwyn...
I don't. I know, I hear what you're saying.
It's not a matter of it, it's when.
I hear you. I hear both of you,
and I'm sad that that's what's happened.
I just can't say right now I've ever seen that.
She's gonna treat you differently
because you have everything that she wants.
Oh, I don't love that. I hope that's not the case.
If you're throwing a glamorous party, she'll be there.
I'm not questioning my friendship with Lisa.
Lisa has never been vindictive to me.
But you have to love Lisa for exactly who she is,
'cause she's not gonna be anybody different.
Well, speaking of parties,
it was Tom and I's anniversary this week, too.
Not our wedding anniversary.
But, like, when I met Todd
10 years ago.
So, I have a big surprise for everyone.
Next week I want to invite everybody,
and their husbands, to go to Thermal.
So, outside of Palm Springs.
- I love Thermal. - To the Indy race.
- With our husbands? - We rented this insane house.
We're all gonna take our husbands. Couples trip.
We're staying in a house together?
- Yes. - That's amazing.
So, we've gotta talk.
And Justin, John, Lisa, Whitney can all be in the same house.
Oh, yeah.
Obviously, Britani is not invited.
And I'm on the fence about Heather.
I think Heather stirs the pot
and then refuses to acknowledge that she does.
I think Heather and I could have been friends.
Yeah, and you probably will someday.
And in the meantime,
I think Heather is losing out
on relationships.
She's only fully supporting Lisa.
She's not trying to see both sides.
She's taking things I say,
when I think it's in confidence,
taking it to Lisa without giving me the opportunity
to have that conversation with Lisa on my own.
So, she is meddling
and I know she knows I've been a good friend.
So, that's not fair to me.
Can I ask you a favor? Can you guys grab
some of these benches over here?
Let's do benches and chairs.
Maybe set up the chairs, like, right here.
- Hi. - Hi.
Hi, I'm Britani's dad, Mort.
Oh, I'm Heather. It's so nice to meet you.
I've been wanting to meet you. I love Britani.
[Britani laughs]
We're having a big shindig here.
It's a big shindig? Oh, nice to meet you guys.
Yeah, this is part work, part family.
So, this is family night slash fireside.
- Okay, that's, I wanted a name. - Yeah.
I led church groups like this twice a week my entire life.
It's a chance for Mormons to get together
outside of regular church meetings,
in a more informal setting, and share their testimonies.
Angie's coming too.
- Oh good, yay. - Come sit over here. Hi.
It's a big church party.
It's probably been five years since I've been to a fireside
or any church activity like this,
surrounded by Mormons and without a bag over my head.
I feel like I should stand up and help you like this.
- Do you want to? - No, no.
Do you wanna conduct?
No, but it's second nature.
Like going back to your first apartment.
I would never wanna live there again
but I can remember what it felt like,
and I can remember how happy I was when I lived there.
- Oh, my goodness! - Hi!
I'm so happy you came.
- You look beautiful. - You look so pretty.
- Thank you. - Oh, my gosh, look at this.
Do I look prayer night appropriate?
You look stunning. Yes. Yes, absolutely,
this is casual family night, so...
Thank you. I brought you a little bottle of wine.
You're so sweet.
When we pray at church on Sunday.
We take communion.
Huh? Like, does she really not know?
Come in, come in.
Mormons don't drink. News flash.
Hi!
To walk into Mormon family night
with a bottle of wine,
it's just so inappropriate.
Look, I've seen Britani sucking down wine
at every event I've been with her.
I know Mormons don't drink
but I know Britani does.
So, it felt like the perfect hostess gift.
No wine tonight, but...
[laughing]
Okay, so everyone's here. We're gonna start.
This is such a huge group this month.
Thank you so much!
This was my mom's thing and as you,
as almost all of you know, my mom passed away last year.
And so, we're gonna honor her in our lessons tonight.
We're gonna start with an opening hymn,
"Come, Come Ye Saints".
♪ Come, come ye Saints, no toil nor labor fear ♪
♪ But with joy wend your way
♪ Do this, and joy our hearts will swell ♪
♪ All is well, all is well
Okay. Dad?
Uh, Katrina, my precious angel,
she died, and then I cried every day, day and night,
for two weeks.
Because we did everything together.
We ran our business together,
we played pickleball every day together,
and she won 60 percent of the time.
It was like playing against a 75-year-old gazelle.
[all laugh]
She's just, I couldn't hit it where she couldn't get it.
[laughs]
The reason I love love
is because my parents had the perfect, fairytale romance.
They dated for six days, got engaged,
were married three months later,
and happily married for 53 years.
I want that fairytale relationship,
and I believe the perfect guy is out there.
Thanks, Dad. Thanks, you guys.
Um, there's plenty of treats, so let's mix and mingle
and let's eat!
Thank you so much.
Thanks so much for coming.
I would not miss this.
- How was that? Was that-- - It was beautiful.
Was that just like you remembered?
Uh, it's, it's been a minute since I've been surrounded
by Mormons but I loved every minute of it.
I have stuff to tell you guys.
Bronwyn invited me to her house tomorrow.
I actually feel like she wants to be friends with Heather,
because I'm getting to know her.
So, do you feel like you're getting schmoozed by her?
I mean, to be truthful,
my experience with her is different.
I thought she was very direct.
I think you made a comment about...
Lisa's parenting to Heather?
[thunder beats]
She brought that information directly to me.
Well, that doesn't seem direct.
That seems slimy as [bleep] to me.
But what she was saying is that you should have come to me.
And not taken my information to Lisa.
I did come to you. I gasped when you said it
and I said don't Mom shame Lisa about electronics.
But I wasn't mom shaming her.
My daughter does need me.
She needs a present mother.
Like, I don't let her sit
and----ing game 'til two in the morning.
So I can like,
leave the computer as a----ing babysitter.
I never said anything about her being a bad parent.
I never said anything about her parenting style.
All I said was exactly what you said.
So, when you take it to her like that.
I didn't take it to her like that.
Who told you I took it to her like that?
Bronwyn said she was crying.
Well, she cried to me.
Bronwyn doesn't----ing know.
Bronwyn wasn't there.
- Let me ask you this. - That's messy.
How do you think I felt when she said that about me?
Like, where was the support for me?
What do you mean?
You're sitting here watching her call me a bitch
and tell me to [bleep] off.
I don't give a [bleep] what you do!
Don't do that to me you----ing bitch.
I didn't turn my----ing back on you
and I'm----ing pissed at you!
Are you telling her,
"You've kinda been a sh-- friend to Angie, too?"
Like, maybe she needs to hear that from you.
I've known Heather since I was 15
and she has always wanted to sit at the cool kids' table.
And she'll do anything to be at that table,
even if it means sometimes taking it for the wrong person.
I've seen you do this before with someone.
- Who? - With friends.
What are you trying to get at?
I've seen you support people
whether they're right or wrong.
What? Who are you talking about?
- Jen? - Yeah.
I've seen you do this before.
I've seen you support people, whether they're right or wrong.
What? Who are you talking about?
- Jen? - Yeah.
This feels like a low blow,
and that hurts my feelings.
I think I have a very cloudy past
with being blindly loyal to my church, to my friends.
What's wrong?
I don't know how this happened.
But this is not what's happening right now.
This is about the problem in Lisa and Angie's friendship,
which is exactly why I told Lisa in the first place.
To make it about me and my loyalty is to miss the mark.
But I'll let you know when I wake up with a black eye.
I feel like you are in this place
where you wanna prove your loyalty to Lisa.
Absolutely.
I don't even know that she deserves
this much support from you. Seriously.
Well, tell me more so I can understand your side--
I've seen you guys in the past, so...
We've moved on and Bermuda changed a lot for me and her,
and she's been a good friend to me, and I'm gonna support that.
And I've been a good friend to you
and you're not treating me the same.
Why aren't you treating me the same?
Because I think I am.
But you're not holding her to the same standard
that you're holding me to.
Okay, well that's food for thought.
- I had never considered that. - Yeah.
This is the first time you've communicated this to me
and this is making me think and take pause.
I love you, I respect you,
I want you to feel supported by me,
and I don't think that you should question my loyalty
just because I'm a loyal friend to her, too.
I feel bad that you guys are in the place you're at
but you can fix it.
She can fix it, too.
She has stuff she's gotta do too,
I'm sure. We all do.
[tense music]
[music fades]
[playful music]
[tense music]
Oh, yeah, I see who I'm meeting.
- Perfect. - Thank you.
How ya doin', man?
I'm all right.
I uh, you know...
Do you want to, should we get any appetizers?
I heard someone talking about the smashed potatoes
so I think we definitely need to get the smashed potatoes.
All right.
- How ya doin', gentlemen? - Doing great, thanks.
You have a chance to look over the menus or...?
We definitely want the smashed potatoes.
Can I do an old-fashioned or--
- Sure. - Yeah, that'd be great.
That's a good start.
Before we go any further,
obviously we have different perspectives on it.
If you'll hear me out, I can hear you out.
[tense music]
I definitely wanna understand, like,
what provoked that. 'Cause the fact that
that went down the way it did. One, it surprised me. I think...
Which part surprised you?
Um, the conflict itself. Like, when Lisa came directly at me.
Yeah.
I, like obviously, I'm gonna defend my wife.
Yeah.
I didn't feel like what
she was saying was appropriate
in any sense, more or less like,
the whole party heard that.
And so, I'm obviously gonna respond.
What scared me I guess, is the way to put it,
is you got angry fast and you took a step towards Lisa.
- Don't call my wife a liar. - She is a liar.
She's not a----ing liar.
If I were to take a step towards Whitney,
I guarantee you, you'd be like, "Dude, you gotta stop."
Yeah. Well, if I give you
the fact that maybe you thought I was approaching Lisa,
how did it happen the second time?
'Cause the second time it was a lean up.
And it was just a simple what is she lying about.
Why do you keep calling her a liar, though?
- Because she's lying about it. - No, she's not.
- Ask me. Ask me. - Stay out of it.
John, John!
If you touch me again, John.
I apologize for doing that.
It was a snap reaction.
Kind of still from what had happened before
and just trying to get every, any type of separation.
All right, gentlemen, got the smashed potatoes.
- That is awesome, thank you. - Some house fry sauce.
- Awesome. - Enjoy.
- Thank you. - Appreciate it.
But um, so do you feel like you're in a position
where you should apologize to Lisa?
[tense music]
Wow.
I'm just saying,
I think Lisa would like an apology,
and I feel like she deserves an apology
because it felt more aggressive than it should have been.
Yeah, I'll have to think about that one, for sure.
Obviously, I'm a little caught off guard.
I don't feel like my reaction was anything different
than what we see from her all the time.
So, I don't feel like an apology
is something that, uh, I wanna do right now.
We'll, I guess, play it by ear.
Yeah.
[curious music]
Come on. Let's go. Let's go set this up, huh?
Okay. This is not for doggies.
- Hi. - Hi.
Come on in.
- Are you okay with dogs? - Yes.
I have tons, but I only have the nice two out today.
Don't you have, like, eight?
I have six.
Thank you for inviting me over.
Yeah, of course. Glad you could come.
- Yeah. - Thanks. Hi, good to see you.
- Yeah, okay. - I love the earrings.
- So festive. - Oh, thank you.
I think I have a lot of blame thus far.
Heather has not seen a well-rounded version of me.
Here, do you wanna just put your coat here?
But I think Heather's very funny,
I think she's very smart and very witty,
and I think we don't get along
because we're a little bit similar.
I'm really surprised that Bronwyn invited me to come over.
I can only assume that she wants to apologize
and make amends for the way that she's been behaving.
Because she's kinda been an asshole.
We bought this house like, two years ago,
and are still remodeling.
So, I don't even have a coat closet.
This is like your front entrance.
This is all the Salt Lake Valley.
- Yes. - That's incredible.
Mostly just the U and the mountains.
Nothing is done.
I don't even have any art on the walls, hardly,
but you can come see. You'll be the first one to...
Am I the first one?
You're the first one
to get a peek at it.
I wanna see everything.
Um... if Mary's house reminded me of Whoville.
Wow. This is fantastic.
- Thank you. - Thank you for having me.
Bronwyn's house reminds me of the Pound Puppies Palace.
[dog barks]
I wanna keep eye contact,
but I also wanna be careful where I step.
I wanted hot pink but it's this color now.
It's beautiful. It's beautiful.
Might I suggest next time that the first person
you have see your home be the pooper scoopers?
So, this is your kitchen, very cool.
Do you cook a lot?
I don't cook ever.
What are these mugs?
So, Todd collects them. Everywhere Todd travels.
He's on his way to Korea right now.
- He buys a mug? - He buys a Starbucks mug.
We have boxes and boxes and boxes of these Starbucks mugs.
Oh, my gosh. What a funny little thing to collect.
And then Gwen started collecting the little espresso ones.
All right, come on. Come sit down. Let's chat.
Snacks? Oh, I'm so happy.
I don't cook but I could put, you know,
premade snacks on a plate. Come on, Claire.
I'm a sucker for a crumb crust.
I'm glad you wanted to come over.
I wasn't sure you were gonna say yes.
I know, I was as surprised you invited me
because it seems like you don't like me very much.
[tense music]
I was as surprised you invited me
because it seems like you don't like me very much.
I was surprised you wanted to come
because it seems like you don't like me very much either.
Look, I can say I'm sorry that it's gone sideways
and it didn't go the way I wanted with you.
What do you, what didn't go the way you wanted?
I think we chatted very little at Lisa's event
when I first kind of got to know you,
and then we got together a couple days
after and talked about the event.
The whole like, "Do you wanna see a healed Whitney?"
I was like, "Do we practice this in the mirror at home?"
And I left thinking like, you and I were having fun.
I thought we were talking about everybody.
I didn't know them super well.
And then, I thought you were telling Whitney things
that I'd said to you,
maybe in a different tone than I'd said them.
So, when I heard that you and Angie were talking about Lisa,
sure of course, I was messy and I told Angie.
So, that's not a great way to handle that either.
So, I can apologize for those kind of things.
[exaggerated exhale]
I thought, if Heather thinks she can tell everybody
what I said with her stank on top of it,
then I can tell Angie exactly what was said.
That, by definition, is messy.
I know you feel that way. So, I said,
I can apologize it comes across messy.
It comes across messy or is messy?
If, for us to move forward I have to say it was messy,
I will own that it was messy.
You don't have to say anything you don't wanna say
for us to move forward.
Because I'd want us to move forward.
But this is not the end of it.
'Cause I have not yet heard you say one time you were messy.
You were inappropriate, you were too far.
From meeting Heather,
she has been telling people that I am vicious and two-faced.
So, I am happy to be her fallible friend
and apologize for my part in this,
but I need to know that Heather at least understands
that she has been a part
of what's wrong between the two of us.
I mean, you are a saint. You are better than me.
- You understand everything. - I don't want to be.
You don't ever talk sh-- on people.
- You're never messy. - No, that's not fair, Heather.
I don't feel like any of this is genuine.
I don't understand why you even invited me over.
Uh, okay, I'll be honest with you.
I invited you over because I am inviting everybody
on a trip this weekend
and I don't know that you and I are in a place
for you to come. But I think if I don't invite you
that that is gonna cause a huge issue
and you and I will never moved past it.
So, you're planning a trip
and I'm here to, like, sing for my supper
and, like, earn an invite?
[tense music]
Heather, I think you want to feel that way about me.
At this point you're saying--
- I'm very confused by you. - I've apologized.
I thought you wanted me to come over so we could,
you could apologize for the things you'd done and--
Why do you think you should come over
and I should apologize
and you should take no responsibility
for any of what's gone on between the two of us?
That's really what you thought was gonna happen
when you came over?
I wasn't sure what was gonna happen.
But two or three times you've said--
I think you say different things to different people.
and I didn't know what you were gonna say to me
in this moment. And I don't know if it's what you say
about me behind my back.
'Cause I've seen how you talk about people
behind their back and that makes me very terrified that
that's probably how you talk about me behind my back, too.
And you do have a skewering humor.
You also have a skewering humor
and you have come very hard for me.
I am not a good friend. I am terrifying.
My husband was stupid not to have a prenup with me.
You are putting words in my mouth.
No, Heather, those are all words you have said.
I think it is stupid for anyone to not have a prenup.
Marriage is a financial transaction.
And you and I both know this.
In no way, shape or form,
was that a friendly comment.
I could apologize for asking about the prenup.
I don't give two sh-- about the prenup.
But this was just her
trying to find a reason
to not include me on the trip.
She's not only shown me her sh---- house,
she's shown me her sh---- intentions,
and I don't really care for either of 'em.
Why do you wanna mince words with me?
I mean, I don't understand.
I am repeating exactly as I said it.
I'm sure you do. And I feel exhausted
because you are trying to keep up this façade.
And I want to leave.
I appreciate the invite for having me over.
Your home is lovely.
I feel exhausted and sick to my stomach.
This is not like the type of friendship I wanna have.
Okay.
And I'm glad that you have so many new friends.
- Oh, Heather. - To supplement.
I am truly hurt by this
because I was willing to take responsibility.
I was willing to apologize sincerely.
To not be able to say anything that you've done in this
is truly lacking self-awareness.
I'll work on my self-awareness. I appreciate the tip.
Okay. I'm not giving Heather a phony version of me
but I did think about what the best version of me
that could show up in this conversation was.
And if that's not good enough for Heather,
that taps into one of my most serious fears,
is that the very best of me
is not good enough for someone else.
[tense music]
Next time on "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City."
[airplane roars]
Thank you guys for having us.
Bronwyn, oh, my God!
Woo!
What is your husband's favorite sexual position.
[Todd laughs]
I don't wanna write it!
Meredith, I didn't say anything about Brooks.
- You did. - And I'll double down on it.
Proof, biatch!
I felt very uneasy.
Oh, yes, I'm sure you felt so uneasy.
Like I felt when your husband's
like [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] to me.
You're so crazy.
When it's me and somebody else
it's my responsibility to work out.
But when it's you and someone else,
my ass better ride your dick
like it's my job, Lisa!
What did Todd just say to you?
He just said Bronwyn's real upset and he wants us to go.