ANDY: Tonight, the dramatic conclusion
of "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" reunion.
Lisa, it seems like John wants to embarrass you on camera.
So Todd and I are separated.
How are you and Justin now?
Can I have a minute?
[sniffles]
Meredith, is there any accountability you want to take
for what transpired on the plane ride?
No.
Okay. There we have it.
And you said that I popped pills?
I didn't say that you popped pills.
Please don't say you didn't do it.
Like you can't dare to have a conversation with
the rest of us, why are you above it?
Sit the fuck down and talk through it with us.
Don't talk to me that way.
I'm so sick of being ganged up on.
And called bigoted. It's not okay.
It's not okay!
I need to go.
Oh, God.
Stop calling me a victim. I'm not victim!
I'm not kidding.
Leave me alone.
-Who said that? -I did.
'Cause she's playing the victim.
See, but this is how we found her on the plane, you know?
So like, when someone is this devastated --
Right. -...it's hard not to
have compassion. -What did I just do?
Did I pull her hair and dump wine on her?
Or did I just call out her bad behavior?
[crying]
I need a minute.
If she took the post down when she found out...
Didn't she make it right?
Isn't that...
She did the right thing.
She took the post down not when she found out.
She questioned it first, was berated by the public
for it, and then took it down.
We call her a dingbat, but now we're expecting her
to have like expert execution?
She felt like she was under public attack.
That's why, not because it was like condemning
what she did.
I think she didn't mean -- I don't think she knew
what was going on. -But I mean, we don't know
what her intentions were, I mean...
I know how she treated me when I confronted her.
And I know how she has treated me
from the beginning.
And I know that I was nice to her at my bat mitzvah --
-Yes. -I threw Angie out for her.
-Right. -And then she completely
turned and started lying about me.
No offense, but maybe she doesn't like you.
And you don't like her either. I mean...
But she had no reason to start it to begin with.
[crying] It's just... it's so not fair.
[crying]
I didn't do anything wrong.
I am curious what your reaction
to all these other women
having a different experience of what happened on the plane
than you specifically Mary who sat you down
and had kind of a calm, reasonable
conversation with you about it.
The things I said to Lisa were all things
I've said to Britani.
Well, I'm just gonna say this, it went on,
it went on for a minute.
It was about 15 minutes.
No, Meredith.
Yeah, it was.
It was definitely longer.
People really fall in line with what Mary Cosby is saying.
I guess what was your reaction when she sat you down?
I didn't really understand it, to be totally honest.
I felt, um, you know -- -And that's alarming.
...it's hard because I feel like, you know,
over the last year or two, we've had all this tension
and I don't quite understand it.
Okay, so do you remember the things that you were saying
before we got on the plane? -Yes.
You were mad so you was fueled and angered and you were
talking and talking. -Meredith.
-Oh. -What? What's going on?
Meredith.
I apologize profusely.
-Oh, God. -I bawled my eyes out.
I told you I was so sorry.
Shut up.
We squashed it back then. We're done.
That's it. Moving on.
I like this conversation, though,
because I thought what they were talking about
was interesting. -Yes. Me too.
Because you were finally getting somewhere.
Yes, continue. You two.
So I was saying to Meredith, like,
there's a lot of things that you were venting.
You might've vent to Lisa, but you certainly
vented to me.
Please don't say you didn't do it when you did.
I didn't say I didn't do it.
I've said from day one, I vented to Lisa.
I've said this from the beginning, middle, and end.
It was the wrong place.
Yeah, that's what you do when you stick
to a story that you've agreed upon.
You say the same story over and over and over.
-It's what I'm still saying. -Okay.
Meredith, did you have a couple drinks before the flight?
I had a drink in the lounge.
Yes. -You had one drink.
-Correct. -Okay, so it's confusing to
viewers that you can't
remember what happened at the end of
"Crazy Rich Asians."
Oh, well, because I fell asleep.
I was watching movies and dozing in and out.
And Lisa also fell asleep
when I climbed over her to go to the restroom.
The descent was. The descent,
which would have been the end of the movie,
was the climax of the fight.
I vented. I absolutely vented a little
at the beginning, and at the end,
oh, I 100% went to sleep and she went to sleep.
That's when I climbed over her to get out of the seat.
Do you want to know something
that really bothers me about this whole situation?
-Yeah. -I was so upset on the boat.
I think that you're the source of all the dirt.
I'm not the source of anything.
People tell me stuff, and I'm all of a sudden responsible.
I felt very alone and I wanted to go home.
If I could have swam to shore, I would have gone up there.
I was so empathetic to her because
it's like what you guys do is wrong.
I was like crying to the -- -What you do is wrong, too.
No, I did nothing to you.
And I'm falsely accused of stuff all the time.
No, you weren't falsely accused.
I accused you of what I felt is true
and I still believe it's true.
No, I still think it's true,
and I still love you and I still want to be your friend,
which is astonishing. -Well, then, well,
I don't know if I want to be your friend
if you think that's true and I
told you on the boat, when you said
you've done mean things to all of us, I was having --
I was having my feelings, I was sharing my feelings.
But now it's about Heather's feelings.
It's about your feelings so
okay, let's hear your feelings because I was sharing mine.
I won't be vulnerable. I won't say exactly
how I feel and exactly what I mean.
Continue talking.
I'm done. Continue talking. I'm done.
You can't cry about the things you did in the past.
I'm not going to take accountability for
fucking shit I don't do.
Relax. Babe, it's not that serious.
No, that is the end of the story.
-No, I'm saying -- -I am not going to be
saying I did something I did not do.
Okay, but you did it.
You cannot get mad about something
that they're accusing you if you did it in the past.
And you're not going to like it.
I'll own it, I'll own every single thing.
I've made a lot of bad decisions,
in an attempt to be liked
and I have boundaries now,
but and I love you, but I'm not gonna back down on this.
Something I did not do, and I'm done.
But I empathize with her. I literally --
You don't think I empathize with her?
I felt so alone, so isolated.
And that's what you were doing to her.
That's what everyone was doing to her.
Well, it was also done to Britani, too.
I had your back.
Okay, stop.
Harper from Columbus said, Whitney,
what did you think of Meredith handing out drug
tests at the tea party
since despite what she says, she would never take one?
Oh, I would take one.
Happy to. I have one here today if you want me to take it.
I will take a drug test every single
day to prove to you that I do not do
any drugs because this story
is incredibly damaging to my
business and you can't walk it back once it's out.
And I will literally take a drug test every
single day for as long as you want.
But to answer your question, Andy, I thought it was
diabolical, and then it was funny.
Odette on Twitter said, Whitney, calling Meredith an addict
is a dangerous and damaging label. Why would you do that?
Especially since you've dealt with it with your dad.
Yeah, so I apologized in Greece.
I think it's horrible that I said it.
Slipped out of my mouth out of frustration
because she was telling me that I was lying
about the plane and it was
ticking me off and it was not as stupid.
I hate that I said it, but I'm like, okay,
well, that's a character assassinating thing.
Your go to is liar, liar, lies.
So to get you to stop, I stooped to your level
and said, all right, if you're gonna call me a liar,
I'm call you a pill popper and an alcoholic
because clearly you don't remember the plane.
And my only lived-in experience of when that happens
is when benzos are mixed with alcohol.
Do I think you have a problem? No.
I don't take any pills. I don't have any pills.
Can I apologize for the words, please?
The one I took from Bermuda.
You guys gave me a sleeping pill of some sort.
You took one, too. Both of you did.
You're just coming down off of the benzos.
This is what happens when I give you a xanax before a flight.
What'd we give her? Ambien?
I don't know. I don't take pills.
No, I've given you zofran on a yacht when you were nauseous.
We're deflecting.
We're now deflecting. -So I'm curious.
What other pills have I popped front of you?
I actually drink less than most of the women.
I don't do drugs, and I'm really tired of it.
And let me start counting their drinks.
And the multitude of pills in Britani's pill bottle
and the pills that I've seen Heather and Whitney take.
Stop with your smear campaign or I will start telling the truth.
Yeah, you said in the confessionals.
The pills I see Heather and Whitney pop.
I'd like to know what pills you've seen me pop.
I didn't say that you popped pills.
No, in your confessional, you said I popped pills.
Oh, that would have been a sleeping.
That would have been a sleeping pill.
On the airplane, like a prescribed.
Those are the pills that you've see me pop.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
It's a sleeping pill on the plane.
You gave it to me.
But we're getting away from the point.
I'm ashamed that I said those words.
I was frustrated that you were calling me a liar,
so I combated back with that. Okay?
So just to wrap this up,
is there any accountability you want to
take for what transpired on the plane ride or anything
to admit that you did or said that was wrong?
100%. I vented to Lisa.
It was an inappropriate time and place, and I did
not mean to hurt Britani's feelings.
I am sorry that she heard me and that it hurt her feelings.
And it's nothing that I had not said to her face,
but it wasn't nice. -Okay.
So nothing new that you haven't said before?
-No. -Okay, there we have it.
Britani, anything else you want to say?
I want to thank Mary.
I know that we have our differences, and I know
that I'm not your favorite person, but I do want to thank
you for rallying with me
and just staying with us in that customs line.
You didn't have to do that.
I felt your kindness, and that meant the world
to me especially since I know I'm not your favorite.
And I just wanted to say thank you.
You kind of went into, like, pastor mode.
I don't know if you remember.
She probably should have said that when she came out.
All right, that's it. That's all I have to say.
Okay. All right. -I want to say one thing.
I know. I'm just kidding.
I can't help myself. I do.
I know we're almost done, but I think, like,
I think you got on the plane in a really bad place mentally.
But if you were doing that to me, the air marshal
would have been waiting when we landed.
But I just saw the shape she was in.
Yeah, roll your eyes or whatever you want, but the shape
she was in was worse than the shape she left the stage in.
One, we are speeding.
We are back. I am Andy Cohen here with
"The Real Housewives Salt Lake City."
Whether the Salt Lake women were
facing a roller coaster relationship with an Osmond,
a failed business, empty nest syndrome,
or being told by their daughter that they are simply too Greek,
drama brewing at home often caused these housewives
to go from gentle to prickly,
much like petting a cactus. -That's amazing.
Before I get into questions, I just want to say, you know,
I've been working on this show for 20 years,
and I'm so in awe of all of your vulnerability this season
and your willingness to let us into
super personal things happening in your lives.
And I know that it's one of the reasons that this
show is so successful.
And I just can't thank you enough.
Thank you so much. And you're also all great moms.
Really great. And your kids are so impressive.
-Okay. -Thank you, Andy.
For real. For real.
And that made it all worth it.
Worth it now every minute, worth it.
-It's so true. -Do we have to keep going?
I know we're all gonna quit.
So, Whitney, did you decide to walk away from your company?
Are you still trying to win back ownership or what's happening?
I had a business that failed.
Justin went all in with me, and now we have nothing.
I fully separated.
It was finalized over, like, the middle of summer.
Unfortunately, I had to rebuy back my inventory,
so I officially own Wild Rose Beauty by myself.
How are you and Justin now?
Justin and I are continuing to
work on communication.
-It's just been hard. -You resent him?
No, and I don't resent him,
but it's been hard, I would say, right now.
So the good thing that has brought is Justin and
I can communicate almost too raw right now.
Like, we're finally speaking about, like, the hard truths
about our marriage that we've swept under the rug for years.
Because when you rip off that band aid of just
saying I'm mad at you,
it opens the door for him to say, well, guess what?
I'm mad at you too.
But we're working on it. -Mary?
Are you?
-Am I about to fall asleep? -Am I boring you?
-Was my eyes closed? -They were.
-I was like this. -Okay.
I thought she was asleep.
Rick from Las Vegas said, Whitney,
you've said in the past you've faced issues with Justin
where you thought your marriage was over.
Do you feel like you'll be able to bounce back from this?
-We've bounced back from harder. -Yeah.
So...
Yes, there's always a possibility.
Meredith, is Chloe still working for you?
Mm-hmm, she's the best thing that ever happened.
-Oh, that's nice. -Yeah.
And is Brook still working for you, too?
On a more limited basis.
-He's got other gigs, remember? -You saw that?
Yes, I did.
I'm curious what your reaction
was to Seth on Next Gen NYC
talking about his desire to be pansexual.
-Oh, my gosh. -I mean, look, I don't think.
I think it was meant to be, just lighthearted, but,
If that's what he wants, then please just
let me know. -Okay.
Something to be discussed, I suppose.
I don't think it's really what he wants.
Heather, you seemed really excited
to become an empty nester.
She's the last part of that era, of my life, and I want it
to be over with. -Is it all it cracked up to be?
Yes. I highly recommend.
I mean, it has opened up a whole new chapter for me.
I'm very happy. I'm dating and, like, the girls, they told me
that their last final is December 9th, and they're like,
we can't be back in the dorms till January 17th.
And I was like, what?
Like, record scratch, like, my whole life ended.
And so it just made me realize how much I have
yearned for this freedom and how much I savor and love it.
And I feel like this is my chapter.
Ocean from Iowa said, Angie, is Elektra interested
in pursuing her Greek citizenship yet?
She's not interested yet in pursuing
her citizenship, but she is interested in
going this summer, and that made me really happy.
And, you know, I think with her world being horses,
I mean, she wants to be in the Olympics. Yeah.
As a jumper, so I'm gonna nurture that for
her because it's her dream and her passion.
So I think she can still be half Greek and
half cowgirl.
Britani, you brought Olivia to BravoCon?
-Yes. -She's here tonight.
What did she think of you bringing Jared to BravoCon?
She wasn't happy.
She's -- that's --
It's this really interesting dance that we're playing of
I need my life and she needs to feel
that she's my number one priority.
And I actually, for the very first time in six
years, you guys, I have both girls home for Christmas.
This Christmas.
My daughters are the most extraordinary people I know,
and I can take only just a teeny bit of credit for that.
They are the reason that I get up every day in the morning.
So. -Wow.
-Well, I'm so happy for you. -Thank you.
-That's great. -Thanks.
Elle from Alaska said,
Lisa, it seems like John wants to embarrass
you on camera the same way
Todd embarrasses Bronwyn.
What's really going on in your marriage?
You took a stray, Bronwyn.
-I did. -Yeah, you did take a stray.
That's not fair to you either.
It was a really long, hard hitting conversation
for both of us. -If we're not on the same page,
it's because I'm not on your page.
You don't see it. -I just feel.
No, let me finish.
There are times where I feel completely undervalued.
When I watched it back, I cried for two days.
I was like, I don't even want to be near you.
I don't want you talking to me because I just feel hurt
because how does everything get done if I don't listen?
How does Henry get everything at school he needs?
How does Jack get care packages?
How do you have all your shirts cleaned, all your suits done?
The viewers think
that you have an issue taking accountability.
-No. -And listening.
And it seemed like one of the things he was really trying
to express to you is that he feels like you don't
take in what he's saying or you don't hear him.
He did say that and he knows that I know that.
And I've made very concerted efforts.
We've been together for a very long time.
There's times I can finish his sentence,
finish his thoughts he doesn't even have to finish.
And he knows, like, oh, Lisa's got me.
I mean, doesn't that happen, like, 90% of the time?
We're like, we're business partners,
we're parents together, we're best friends,
and we're in love.
And I think that the bottom line is,
like, he knows damn well,
that I really work hard on listening to him.
And I think for me, it felt really jabby for
him to say that when he knows I work
really hard to listen to him.
He took that opportunity to jab and it hurt.
And I said to him too, like, I'm just gonna
be really transparent.
I said to him, I would
die before I'd make you look bad.
You just made me look horrible
on things that you know hurt me.
What, in that scene? -Yes.
He broke my heart, like...
I think to me it just felt real.
Yeah, me too.
I think you're beating yourself up.
No, but I think she felt embarrassed.
We love John.
We know John. We all sided with John.
But if your husband tells you you're not
not a good listener, then that means you're not.
Your husband knows better than anyone.
That's why I can't try to help you because you always.
-No, I don't need help. -You're sobbing,
and your friend's helping you.
No, I don't need help. I'm telling you my feelings.
I don't need help with my feelings.
-Then what are we talking about? -That's your real life.
That's his real. And we're on a reality show.
And those are the hard hitting things. Andy's saying.
Thank you. -I just can't.
Like, it's real and it makes everyone
feel validated that we all have those moments.
It's falling on deaf ears.
It's not falling on deaf ears.
How is that falling on deaf ears?
We are back with "The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City" reunion.
This season, when Bronwyn wasn't running a youth hostel
out of her home, she was facing off with her mom, Muzzy.
And despite Muzzy's I'm fine,
everything is fine sweatshirt, she managed to tell
Bronwyn all the reasons why her life was not, in fact, fine.
And Bronwyn's issues with Todd,
those were just the cherry on top.
Take a look. -Those are some rough puns.
A lot has changed in my house due to some health challenges.
Both my parents moved in with me.
My dad has had Alzheimer's for over 10 years.
We moved him into a memory care that's 10
minutes away from here.
And I brought my mom back here.
And Gwen's boyfriend is here my house.
I'm like running like a youth hostel
and an elderly hostel.
I would not be jazzed if Gwen had a baby at
the same time that I did.
I would handle it very different.
You did not let me have a baby shower.
You were not happy about it. You did not let
anybody be excited for me.
I also felt there were periods where, okay,
Gwen's just dropped at my daycare, you know?
I do not know what you're talking about.
That Gwen was just dropped at you.
We didn't want her to go into foster care.
I would have worked a second job and paid for something.
Let's not imply that I was going to let Gwen go to foster care.
Mother, that's so dark.
I know I'm rigid and I'm trying not to be. I don't want to be.
Like my mom was.
Is that awful to say?
Whitney had a psychic come out from New York.
-I think it's all craziness. -You're really bumming me out.
I'm trying to tell you something I really enjoyed.
You know how I feel about when people misunderstand me.
I shouldn't have to feel misunderstood with you too.
People are accusing Todd
of getting caught on a plane, cheating on me.
While Todd was on his flight to New York,
someone caught him looking at photos of women on his phone.
So do you want time? Are you done?
It's not a marriage ending conversation, but it is
a life changing conversation for me to be able to say,
this isn't working and I want a different thing.
If you wanted to do something different or be
open or whatever else, I would consider it.
I would do whatever I needed to do to evolve with you.
I'm trying to make it better.
You and Gwen are the most important relationships to me.
-Okay. -That's a lot.
-It's a lot. -It's a lot.
I'm so sorry to hear about
your dad's passing. -Thank you.
How are you and your family doing?
It was right when we got back from Greece.
It was just a really big.
It's odd to feel like he'd been sick for so long,
and I knew this was coming and then just something so simple.
He just tripped and fell, and things
spiraled out of control, and he was gone in days.
How's your mom?
In her own way, it's been really good for my mom.
My mom had never once admitted out loud
that my dad had dementia or Alzheimer's.
And so when he passed, she kept saying,
like, it came out of nowhere. It came out of nowhere.
And Gwen and I kind of had to sit her down and
be like, it didn't come out of nowhere.
This has been happening.
I think she just couldn't accept
that that was happening to her husband.
Yeah.
You shared a lot of really personal stuff this season.
I want to start with Muzzy.
You know, look, you can really get to know someone by
seeing their interactions with their mom.
And she's pretty tough on you.
In turn, I think the viewers were pretty tough on her.
-They really were. -How did that land with her?
So the first episode that she was on that, like,
smaller conversation, she came to me really upset,
like, is this how I speak to you?
Do you feel this way? Do I come across so stern?
Like, she knows she's stern, but I don't think
she realized how stern. -Okay.
And I think she took the feedback as, like,
a good thing that we could talk about.
-Okay. -By the time that second
conversation came out,
really hard, things were being said about her.
Memes were being made.
Jokes at her expense were being made.
She's still my mom.
I think she felt like the whole world was turning on her,
And I think she blames me a little bit for that.
Oh, God, I'm so sorry. That's so rough.
But she was really nice and accepted this last one of, so.
So that's the thing, is people aren't
one dimensional, and there's just something
about our personalities that's really tricky.
We just, like, push, pull constantly with each other.
Is the push pull because of your lifestyle,
because you're not Mormon? -I think a lot of it is that.
And she just doesn't know how to say that.
Like, when I watched that scene of her talking to me about my
pregnancy, it felt like, she was subconsciously saying
to anybody who watched it that she was still a good
Mormon, that she did not agree with this.
It's allegiance to the principles in the church
over allegiance to her daughter.
Yeah. It wasn't even, like, about me.
It was about pointing out to the whole
world that she never, ever agreed with this and
that she would never have done that.
I mean, I see it all the time.
You said Todd stepped up and helped support
your parents financially. What did that entail?
So my mom was my dad's sole caretaker,
so when she had the brain tumor, I needed somebody at the house.
We had a shift of four
people around the clock being with my dad so
I could be at the hospital with my mom.
And then we moved my parents in with me and
then my dad almost immediately into memory care.
It was too much for me to have both of them at home with me,
so Todd was helping financially while
they figured out selling their house.
Memory care is incredibly expensive.
Todd stepped in and did everything.
It was nice to see that while
you were in Greece, he went
to be with your mom and help her move.
-Yeah. -Maybe that was a side of Todd
that none of us had really seen before.
Yeah, I think.
Do you have more questions about Todd?
Do I have more questions about Todd? I do.
Do you want me to start with where we are now,
or do you want me to start with where we were on the show
and work our way forward?
I want you to tell me what you want to tell me.
So Todd and I are separated.
I'm sorry, Bronwyn.
Sorry. His choice?
-It's my choice. -It's your choice.
Okay.
What would be the thing that made you say,
enough's enough?
This year was so hard for me.
I watched myself in some of those conversations
saying things I don't think I meant.
Like, when I was like, if you wanted to be
open, of course I'd try it.
Like, I don't really know if I'm up for that.
It was like, something I was
wanting to be up for if I needed to.
You know what I mean when I say, like, you know,
I talked to Whitney, and it was a good conversation.
She was helpful for me, and it was just helpful to have
somebody else acknowledge what I was going through.
And he was like, well, you shouldn't be talking
to anybody about this.
Those things are hard for me.
We're at a place where it's not just me forgiving him
or understanding him or trying to move forward.
He's now saying he doesn't want to talk about it.
I can't talk about it to my friends.
I can't share public, like, I started to feel
isolated around the choices that he was making.
Did he want you to quit the show?
He never said that but I felt like if I kept doing the show,
the spotlight on the cracks in our marriage was just gonna
continue to be magnified.
And if I can't talk about them to him, to anybody else,
it was like I just had to deal with it.
We weren't working forward anymore.
We weren't a team anymore. I was just
like PR for him,
and it no longer felt respectful.
And it's really hard to separate
that interaction I have with Todd this year
from the Todd I've known for over a decade.
And I think while we were
filming, I kept thinking, this is a dance I've
danced maybe too many times.
How I show up to rally around the choices that Todd makes.
On behalf of Todd, not on behalf of myself.
What was his reaction to your
calling for a separation?
It was maybe the worst thing I've ever done was
having to tell Todd I wanted him to go.
I feel like he doesn't really understand why
we're in this position.
Todd, after a couple of days, texted me and said
I watched the entirety of the show.
He started at season one. He watched every episode.
He read everything on Reddit within search of his name, got
a Twitter account, looked on Instagram, and was just
a decimated version of himself. Called me beside himself.
Are you living with him?
Where are you both living right now?
So I'm in Utah and he's here in New York.
You won't see him while you're here?
I'm not seeing him while I'm here for this. No.
Whitney, you're really emotional hearing about this.
What are you thinking?
I just relate so much to Bronwyn, and it's
especially hard.
And I'm just personally going through
something really hard myself.
But I'm on the reverse. I'm on the reverse of Bronwyn.
So that's why I'm so emotional, because I'm, like, relating.
It's not because Justin's like, the most incredible,
incredible husband. He's the most incredible man alive.
He's so amazing,
and I'm the one on the show that's always fucking it up.
It's not true.
The dynamic is hard, and unless
you're in it, you know it's hard to understand.
Can I have a minute?
-Yeah. -Thank you.
I just need to see Justin.
Bronwyn just told us that her and Todd are separated,
and it just triggered me. -I'm sorry.
I don't know. It's just like everything we're going
through, I just feel so bad.
I tried to keep it together, but I...
You're strong. You got this.
We're good. You know we're good, right?
We'll figure it out.
You know, I will say in the midst of a lot of...
pain, there clearly is a lot of love between the two of you.
I adore Todd.
I'm so worried about Todd.
The worst thing for Todd, he said,
was watching the show.
He said, do you feel like I never
look at you when I talk to you?
When you talk to me?
He says, did you feel like me
taking the cherry was like, this huge thing?
Like he was genuinely confused.
Yes, taking the cherry was a huge thing.
He thinks that we have a history
where he has shown up for me and loved me and been my friend
and been my supporter and so who cares if he ate a cherry?
Who cares if he didn't look at me in
the eye that one conversation.
That seems like a normal guy.
-Yeah. -I mean, I --
I'm from a different planet because I thought that was cute
that he took the cherry right after she said,
don't touch the cherry. It's my favorite part.
Mary, I didn't think that was so cute.
Kind of.
I didn't think it was that cute.
I didn't think he meant harm.
-Might have been light. -Like. Yeah. If Robert Sr.
did that hat was a joke just would have took it.
If I asked you if you felt that the show
broke you up, you would say, what?
The show didn't break us up.
I would say we were growing in different
directions and the show put a spotlight on that.
I think as hard as this
is right now, this conversation with Todd needed
to happen.
The show didn't cause this.
Might have sped it up.
Whitney, are you okay?
Sorry.
I relate with her so much because I know how hard
it is to fight for something that you love
so much, but sometimes just --
you can't figure it out.
-Yeah. -I feel for you.
Thank you.
In the best universe, would your future involve him?
I don't know. I don't know what to say.
I think we just gotta see what happens from here.
-Take your time. -Space is good.
-Yeah. -Well, thank you for sharing
tonight and...
I wish you a lot of strength.
It's gonna work out. You're gonna find the answer.
-Yeah, I know. -You know.
-You guys doing okay? -Yeah, good. I'm good.
-Everyone looks gorgeous. -You do, too.
We are back with "The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City" reunion.
Before I get into questions about Greece, Meredith
and Heather, where do you two stand today?
Yeah, we're not friends right now. I mean, we're --
Told me that three times just at this reunion, so I guess not.
I mean, I'm hoping for resolve, but I don't think there can
be any resolve without
an apology or just a level of accountability
that we've all had to take, you know?
Absolutely. And I'd be happy to talk with
you about the you lied or liar comment or whatever.
You lied. You just pointed at me and said
that I lied and I didn't lie. -I did do that and, um,
and I'm sorry I did that. It wasn't actually intended to
be at you, and that's why I stumbled with it for so long.
You lied. You lied and all said horrible about me
that didn't happen. -Do you believe I lied?
Fuck that.
So you were saying that Heather and
Whitney lied about what happened on the plane.
That's what I said, but I meant to say Whitney and Britani.
Why didn't you, in the moment correct the fact that
you were pointing at the wrong person.
Well, I tried to. I did try to.
I didn't say you. You. You is what I said.
It sounds like you pointed three times.
-She did. -Because Britani just said it.
She's a real reliable source.
No, because they told me in my ear.
-Oh, they did. -Yeah.
I don't recollect pointing three times,
but I didn't mean to point at Heather as a bottom line.
And did you believe I'm a liar?
And I did point at you and I did say.
But you don't believe that about me.
I didn't at the time, but I don't know.
I have some question marks on some things I'll be
totally honest.
There's some trust that has to be rebuilt
on both sides.
Amen, girl. Amen.
Britani, why were you so offended when
Meredith was talking to her son on Mother's Day?
I just thought it was rude because we're
all desperate to talk to our kids, and it was
right in the middle when she was in the hot seat.
And it's something that if I had done,
I would have been destroyed.
Was it a big problem for everybody else or just Britani?
-I was irritated by it. -You were.
We were all there on Mother's Day.
Like, when I heard you were kind of losing it over
not talking to Brooks, I was like --
That's not why I was really losing it over that.
Why were you losing it?
You know what? It's another issue that's just
not really ever going to go anywhere.
No, tell me if I don't understand.
You were mad at production about something.
What this time?
You know what? This is, like, a lot. It's just.
This is not gonna go well. -Okay.
I actually have a big problem with this.
All day, I've heard you throw production under the bus.
This was a full setup that I was tracking all the way through.
It was about feeling set up.
Production. -Correct.
It just got edited out.
What do you want me to do? I don't want to.
I'm telling the truth.
And they impacted my behavior.
Everyone on this couch, there's a second half
to why we were recognized in Us Weekly.
-Yep. -Yeah, of course.
There's an entire team behind the scenes, and I've
been hearing you all day under your breath
throw them under the bus.
I've heard you all day throw them under the bus.
You are a liar, Meredith.
You are lying. Call me a liar all you want. You are lying.
And I'm so sick of you for throwing our team under the bus.
'Cause I have opened up my life because of our team.
And for you to sit here and throw them under the bus.
-Mary, why are you crying? -Because I don't want.
I don't like that she would talk about
our production. -I don't like it either.
And I've said something too.
We're only here because of them.
-What did I say that was bad? -When we're at work,
it's expected that we're not on our phones.
We're engaged in the conversations.
-I mean, we were in Greece. -No, but what set you all
off about her being on her phone?
Because she was getting out of being in the hot seat.
Yes. It was just an excuse.
Couldn't pick it back up in three to five minutes.
No, because then you victimize yourself and make us feel bad.
Like how are we going to now bring it back up?
When Meredith is sad, that's what you do.
I wouldn't have been sad if I had just sat
and talked to my son, maybe.
There's always some grand big thing that happens, then
we can't bring it up, Meredith.
Meredith, what was your reaction when you saw Whitney, Mary and
Bronwyn express their concerns about your mood swings?
It made me sad that they were concerned about me.
On that sense, of course, very sad.
But there's just not truth to it.
I'm a little worried about Meredith.
-I'm worried too. -Do you feel a fear from her
when you talk to her? It's like she's scared
to death of something.
We all see it, but what saddens
me is that she doesn't. -Oh, Mary.
Whitney, you apologized to Meredith for accusing her of
abusing substances, but you later doubled down
on your own experience with your dad as it related
to things that you were seeing with Meredith.
So I guess why apologize if you didn't mean it?
I apologize for labeling her that.
Cause the truth is, I don't know what Meredith is going through.
None of us were saying you're an addict, you have mental
health struggles, you have cheating in your marriage.
That's not how it came off on camera.
How do you think it came off on camera?
That they were making accusations.
No, I wasn't.
I said very clearly, this is how I handle it.
-This is how I feel. -With tears and concern.
We're all different people.
All we said is we're concerned about you.
I didn't make a single accusation.
I spoke from my own experience.
You did make an accusation.
What accusation did I make?
That my husband was on a date.
I said at least two or three times.
I don't know who he was with.
It is not my place to say.
You haven't seen where Todd and I both said,
there is no way that's what's going on.
But what we both said was if Todd was out and one of you had
seen Todd, that would have been what was run with.
I have never said anything about Todd, Bronwyn.
No, but you sat idly by while your bestie has over and
over and over again,
and it wasn't a problem that my marriage was
talked about until this one talked about your marriage.
Did I ever contribute to saying
anything about your marriage?
You didn't contribute to stopping it.
You never once were outraged that how dare
we speak about someone's marriage
and make an unfounded accusation.
Until it was your marriage that had
an unfounded accusation.
You were handling it.
Why would I speak up at that moment?
You know why, Meredith. I thought we were fucking friends.
That's why.
And you want to get into the you and me not being friends or
being friends or I'm just your fucking assistant.
Let's get into that. I'm sure that's what's next.
I don't think I've asked you to do much.
I don't think you asked me to do much.
Just report back to you on what all my
conversations were with everyone.
And then sit there and eat shit when you out me in
front of everybody else and then be like, oh, that was
off camera, we can never prove it. Convenient, Meredith.
I didn't say we didn't
have a conversation with my room.
We have a disagreement on what was said exactly.
I valued our friendship this year, and I think you
and I have a lot in common and could be good friends.
And I would love for that to happen.
But today you are not gonna
do this question or statement bullshit with me.
You're not gonna do it. -No, we're not.
We're gonna have to have some come to Bronwyn
and Meredith conversation about what happened.
All of us have to sit here and have hard conversations.
Why are you above it?
Sit the fuck down and talk through it with us.
All of us have to sit here and have hard conversations.
Why are you above it?
Sit the fuck down and talk through it with us.
Don't talk to me that way.
I absolutely will.
You talked that way to me when I came to your room
ranting and raving that this was all happening.
Here we go. I told you to sit the fuck down?
No, I didn't. -No, Meredith.
But you scared me into your sink.
You were yelling at me.
What was happening?
Meredith said she never asked you about the lunch.
She really --
We did have a conversation about the lunch, but I didn't ask her.
You asked me and I didn't
want to tell you what happened at our lunch.
And I said. -I said, how was your lunch?
Sure. I didn't say, what was everyone saying?
Oh, my God.
I didn't ask what anyone said.
I don't care. That's what you're not getting.
Bronwyn, would you feel used by Meredith.
I do.
Meredith, what's your response to her feeling used by you?
I'm not using you and I am not trying
to gain anything from you at all.
So you didn't gain the upper hand when
I said to you, there's an accusation about
you that I feel is a dangerous implication.
You volunteered that to me, Bronwyn, gained the upper hand.
That's fair. Yes, I did.
Instead of just being prepared to handle
that conversation you deflected from having
to answer for that by saying Whitney should really be --
-Information is power. -Correct.
You put words in my mouth when you talked to Lisa about Britani
and then the two of you turned it into
she's an alcoholic and a little birdie told me.
There are people on this couch who deal with those addictions.
Stop it. -I was told that she was
nonstop drinking all day and night
to the point of vomiting, would go, throw up.
And then just start drinking over again.
-That's like an alcoholic. -It's clearly unusual behavior.
I have a problem with that because for weeks, for
weeks, I could not get Meredith to accept a conversation me.
But then they turn around, call her an alcoholic.
I didn't call her an alcoholic.
But this is the problem.
This is the problem. You talk to me off camera or
you text me to come to your room where there's
no cameras, or I see you with your hand
over your mouth in the sprinter telling Heather,
let's talk privately, or I called you when we weren't.
I know it's getting recorded.
She wanted a one on one.
I wanted to talk to her one on one on one.
-I didn't want it. -That's 100% true. I did.
I wanted to get resolution
and every time I tried to in the group,
everyone was yelling and screaming, and I couldn't.
That feels convenient to me.
It feels like you do stuff off camera so that when it comes
up on camera, you can say, that's not what I said.
That's not what happened. And no one can prove it.
Bronwyn, in case it didn't land,
because I feel like we got sidetracked,
I would never want you to feel that I was using you.
I'm not using you. I'm sorry that it came off that I was.
I want to be very clear.
I do not want you to feel that way and I'm sorry.
Do you accept her apology?
I do. And I appreciate you saying it.
All right, Angie, why did you hire
Stella to write the play about you and your friends?
Well, sometimes we only retain what we want to retain,
so I think it's really important to see ourselves
through the eyes of our friends.
What a Greek tragedy it was.
-It really was. -Oh, my God.
Angie and Lisa, you two had an emotional
moment after the play.
It seems like you bicker like sisters,
but you always come back
around like sisters, too.
What's your relationship been like since Greece?
Has it been okay? -I'll let you go first.
You know, when I saw Angie at the US Weekly shoot,
like, I just went right up to her.
I feel like I can be super
myself with her and direct.
And I was like, hey, like, this bugs me.
Like, you don't need to say this.
I'm telling you to your face this.
And then I feel a soft spot.
Like, I did an interview, and they were asking me
questions about Angie, and I'm like, I won't talk about her.
She's off limits. I'm not talking about her.
I'm not saying anything mean.
I'm not going there.
I'm just not going to.
And then, you know, my feelings got hurt when I heard what Angie
said, and I feel like, you know, I want resolve and,
like, to move forward.
And then it's like.
It's like a hamster wheel.
Two steps forward, two steps back.
Yeah, and it's like we just stay on this hamster wheel,
and I just kind of am, like, dizzy.
I just, you know.
What did Angie say that you heard?
What did she say that you heard?
Did you ask her if she said it? -I listened to it.
-What is it? -I'm ruining the show.
And I'm not this and I'm not that.
Sometimes it's hard to be your friend because I feel
like your expectations could be unreal.
And I feel like my expectation is like, let's laugh together.
I make a concerted effort to go deeper with you.
I like to talk to you about
emotional things and sensitive things.
Everything from, like, God, our kids,
Louie, your mom, experiences, like, real experiences.
So for me, when we're friends, I'm feeling like,
oh, we're really friends.
And it's not superficial.
You talk about superficial, but you sometimes do lead with,
like, your stuff and who you are and you love things,
but you have another side to you that is very lovable.
Okay. You say that, and I want you more of that.
You say that, but I really don't.
In Greece, you said you wanted to be vulnerable, like,
watching what you went through last season.
It was hard. Watching you have that conversation with John was
hard and that was like, the side of you that I love.
Really, really hard. It's really super defensive.
But look at our conversations.
Angie, the proof is in the pudding.
I want to move forward with you.
I just don't want to go backwards.
There's no point in us going
backwards a day from today.
It's so tit for tat, tit for tat, tit for tat.
You are going to move forward.
I will never bring up anything from the past.
I can, like, forward, move straight today,
forward, and I'm very good at it.
I like this. -And I can, too.
Okay, my little Scorpio.
Well, we are going to leave it there and we're going to come
right back with closing
thoughts from season six of "The Real Housewives
We're almost there.
I'm going for those chocolate covered cherries.
-Those are olives, Britani. -Oh, they are?
I've been eyeballing those all night.
-Oh, my goodness, Britani. -My toes are numb.
Three, two, one...
We are back with final thoughts from the Salt Lake City reunion.
And I want to close on a positive note.
Let's go around and say one thing you learned
this season. Who wants to start?
-I can start. -Okay. Mary.
I learned that it's important to see yourself, and
I learned to put out the energy that you want to receive.
Great. Whitney.
You had to learn something.
-I learned so much. -Good.
Failure is just the universe or God redirecting you.
Britani.
Patience and that usually if you just can ground yourself
and be patient, good things will come of that.
And to focus on the things that are most important.
Angie.
Probably acceptance.
You know, I think having a teenager
that's finding her way, not wanting it to be my way,
but being proud that I raised, you know, strong little girl.
That's becoming the woman that I have
strived my whole life to be.
Meredith.
I learned the importance of making
sure that you're communicating clearly with your friends and
that even if they're not really giving you the opportunity to
answer, you need to find a way to get your voice heard.
That's good. Heather.
Honestly, I mean, I don't know if I learned
this, but it really became crystal clear to me that,
like, the best moments of my life have been with you guys and
some of the darkest moments of my life.
-She looks at me. -That's neat.
-And that is pretty remarkable. -Yeah.
And when I say that, like,
I can give it all to these women, like, I really can,
I guess I just want to say, like,
how much I truly love and cherish
our friendships, the highs and lows of them.
And when --
when we have fun, we really do have fun.
We love each other. We do. -That's why we get so hurt.
-Yeah. -Bronwyn.
I think this season I...
really understood that
I feel sometimes change is negative,
means there's been a failure, an ending,
something you did wrong.
And change can be a good thing.
And change has to start with me.
I have to change the way I show up in some of these friendships.
I have to change the way I interact with
my mom, maybe with Todd.
I have to be good with Gwen doing change in her own life.
Good for you. Lisa.
You'll love this first one.
-Okay. -Intake.
Okay.
-Very important. -Good.
Really not just hearing, but really listening.
For understanding.
-That's great. -Moving forward.
-Yes. -Those are great.
Can't wait to see that in action.
Well, for our final toast, we have baklava here.
-Yes. -Angie.
Why don't you lead us?
Andy, you shouldn't have to serve us.
Girls, get your plates.
Andy, don't get.
I can't have sugars. -You are serving.
Oh, I was the best waiter.
-Were you a server? -Oh, yeah.
I bet you got the best tips.
-Oh, yeah. -Ooh, I bet this is good.
Oh, I thought you couldn't have.
I'm not gonna eat it, but it looks delicious.
Oh, okay. Yeah. Angie, lead us in a toast.
Well, we would always say to your health.
That's number one, right?
Your health is your wealth.
So cheers to another great year,
stronger friendships, and we're all the sisters
of salt are nothing without each other.
-I love that. -Well said.
-I love it. -Cheers, everyone.
I want to thank "the Real Housewives of
Salt Lake City" for another epic season.
I'm Andy Cohen. Good night, everybody.
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