Previously on "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City"...
I love Arizona in the winter..
-What's up?! -[all cheering]
I just wanted the girls to get away for Jen,
to come together and show you our love and support for you.
I was more vested and in love with the idea of being, like,
Meredith's best friend, like her sister,
and it wasn't what I thought it was.
I just heard that she was, you know,
doing favors to help get places to pick on Vida Tequila.
Meredith brought up rumors about Lisa having--
-About what? -Affairs.
You have to swallow it and bury it.
***
We're all gonna start the breath together.
[inhaling and exhaling deeply]
Good.
What did everybody release?
I wanted to release the fear of going to trial in a month.
...that I was actually abused, and I just don't remember it.
Oh, my gosh.
***
Are you okay, Whitney?
I've been on this healing journey for
honestly, probably a year now.
[sighs] A lot of--I have-- my childhood is blocked
from, like, 9 to 17.
And as I'm doing all this work,
like, memories are coming up, and...
There's abuse in my family, but I, like, stuffed it so deep
that I blocked all memory of it.
You?
Yeah.
***
-I'm so sorry. -But--Yeah, thank you.
How do you deal with something like that?
It's just recovered memory or what?
Like, how did you figure this out?
It was, like, it's hard to explain.
I-I don't know. Like...
-No, you don't have to. -It's just hard to explain.
Like, you know how, like, you have feelings,
like, that you just don't know where it comes from?
-Mm-hmm. -Like, that's how you
figure it out, that where that does that come from?
I've learned that the abuse has gone on generationally.
***
I'm literally breaking the cycle for my family,
and that's all I care about.
You're brave, Whitney.
There's no easy or right time
to share this type of information with people,
but I need my friends.
And it actually feels good to get it out,
and I do feel that they love and support me.
My siblings, Curtis and Kelli,
they're all on a similar journey,
and we're all coming together,
and I get to see my brother Curtis
that I haven't seen in years.
I feel...betrayed for you.
To be honest, I'm freaking out.
I feel like all the wind has, like, left my lungs.
To absolutely block something out of your memory
because it's so traumatic, it has to have been horrific.
And my heart is breaking.
***
We have to put it-- everything on the table.
We have to work through our sh-- literally, because, like--
-Yeah. -It's not worth it
to hold it in.
But it's easy for me to be vulnerable. It is.
And I know it's not as easy for, like, others.
Not easy for...
-Well, yeah, I think, yeah. -...all these women here.
Both of them. So no pressure,
Meredith and Lisa. I know you need time.
Whitney's like, "Pass the conch."
You wanna know the truth?
I think all my problems last year
stemmed because I did make myself vulnerable.
You know, you feel like you open up,
and you get slapped in the face for it.
Meredith, again, I owe you an apology.
I apologized in L.A., and I wanna say it again.
What I said was hyperbolic. I do not mean them.
I apologize for them. I don't think those things.
I was very hurt, and I said things that I regret,
and I regret my poor choice of words. I regret them--
So you don't regret-- So you don't regret
the vitriol, venom, and hatred that you spewed.
You don't regret what you said but only your choice of words.
Meredith, all I can say is I'm deeply sorry, and...
-No, no, no, no. -And I am extremely sorry.
We need to back up, because the things you said--
I've never confided in you, Lisa...
-You haven't. -...because I never
fully trusted you.
Okay, thank you for telling me that.
-And now I know why. -Thank you for telling me that.
-So the things you said... -I'm glad to know.
...you made up.
No.
That's the truth!
I'm human, and I was hurt. That was a very hard--
Because somebody told you I said your house was ugly.
Yes. No, it was not because of that.
That's what you told me in L.A.
You spoke poorly of my whole family.
I--And--And...
And I was like--
What would I say about your renovation?
I think she deeply, deeply regrets saying it.
-Okay. -Am I wrong?
You're not wrong at all.
If you're able to be accountable,
and you want to move forward, your behavior is not acceptable.
That one day was not an aberration.
There have been other instances
of you speaking very poorly about me other than that.
-I am well aware of that. -There are not.
-Everything going on-- -Can I finish speaking, Lisa?
-Okay. -You are an interrupter.
Please stop interrupting me. It is very impolite.
I don't know if there's
something more significant going on.
There is not. Anything more--
Can you stop interrupting, please?
Okay, you're making statements that are not true.
-I'm almost finished. -So I'm not okay with that.
I'm almost finished, and then you can say whatever you want.
If you think that this is normal behavior,
and you don't want to get help and make changes,
then there's no more I can do for you.
If you think that you should be getting some help,
I'm happy to help you.
What kind of help do I need, Meredith?
-But that's it. I don't know. -I wanna know.
-What kind of help do I need? -I don't profess to be a doctor.
-Excuse me. -You saying that
is gonna absolutely trigger her.
-Yeah. Wow. -And she's still lying.
I don't like you commenting
on my mental stability and health.
I didn't say your mental stability.
-You basically did. -No, I did not.
And that's a low blow. That's a low blow.
I did not.
The words that are coming from Meredith's mouth
are not dirty or mean, but they cut a bitch.
[aristocratic voice] Once I meet with your therapist
and she deems you worthy, then I shall perhaps consider
a path to resolution, but until then,
I can't help you. I can't help you
until you help yourself.
No, Lisa, look at me. Explain where the pain comes from, Lisa.
-Explain it. -Too little, too late.
***
For the last year and a half, it was extremely hurtful to me
that I could tell you feelings I was feeling of hurt,
and it was disregarded.
Everybody talks sh-- about everybody,
and it's how we're gonna move forward.
I'm not gonna slit my wrist for anybody.
-I will speak for myself. -That's a horrible thing to say.
No, it's not. It is not. It's--No.
You know what? Stop. Stop.
No...What?
Oh, I did not know that. I did not--
Oh, she didn't ----ing know it? That's what she's gonna tell me?
Oh, my God!
I am so sorry, Meredith, for-- to use that analogy.
-I didn't realize that. Like-- -I think we--
I think we need to stop this for a minute now. It's enough.
LISA: I will come up with a different thing.
-You're okay. -I've had enough.
Okay, have a sip of wine. Have a bite of fish.
Oh, my gosh.
I do not think that Lisa means this as a dig.
This is just the way Lisa talks
whether it's acceptable or not.
I'm not gonna slit my wrists for anybody
at this stage in my life. I'm not doing it.
It's like Meredith is just pulling
at any last string she can to be mad at Lisa.
I wanna say something, like,
I wouldn't be here without my husbands and my kids...
-Mm-hmm. -...and my faith.
You just don't ever know till you go through a situation.
And I hope nobody here ever goes through a situation like this.
I would never wish it upon anyone,
but petty things that, you know, you fight over,
this whole thing put it into perspective
where I'm just like, the people that are...
important to me in my life, it's just important for me
to show them how much I love, care, and appreciate them.
***
-Amen, Jen Shah. -A ----ing men to Jen Shah.
Lisa, I appreciate your apology, and I hear you.
Um...we are not at a point of resolution yet.
If that's what you want,
we will have to have much more discussion,
but I do appreciate your apology. Thank you.
Thanks for hearing me. I appreciate that.
Should we burn something?
Like, should we set something on fire?
Let's set Lisa on fire. I feel like she's ready for it.
Yes. Uh...Yeah. [chuckles] I have hair extensions.
It'll singe.
***
Coming up...
[bleep] you for calling me a ----ing liar!
-You called me a liar. -Goddamn you!
***
JEN: [singsongy] Good morning!
Heather? Are you up?
[chanting] Good morning. Oh, yeah. Good morning to you.
-Hi. -Hi.
Come in bed. You're up before me?
Yeah.
I'm here to wake the hoes up.
Wake all the hoes up.
JEN: [amplified voice] * Where are the hoes *
* In this house? *
Oh, my God. Crazy.
I'm just here to get you ready.
-Okay. -We're going on a bike trolley
drinking trip.
You said my favorite word-- "trolley."
-Yeah. -[laughs]
[amplified voice] Uh, concierge, please,
to Heather's room with the coffee.
[laughter]
JEN: Last night was really heavy.
I'm just trying to have fun.
I ain't trying to make you cry and drink "cao-coochie"
or whatever we drank the other night.
KSENIYA: Cacao is a deep heart opening medicine.
I thought it would taste different.
It's earthy.
Whitney said we can all plan an event,
so can we please turn up here, please?
[amplified singsongy voice] Good morning!
[cellphone rings, chimes]
Good morning.
-Morning. How you doing? -Good.
Boys on time for school?
Jack was. I unfortunately did not help Henry out with it,
so he was a little late.
Oh, my gosh. The kid's, like, slow getting ready.
So last night, we had dinner together as a group.
I apologized to Meredith. She played doctor for a minute,
but, um, you know, overall,
I feel, like, resolved in it all.
Like, basically, all I'm gonna do is have fun today.
Like, from the other stuff.
Well, I had that-- you know how I was planning
that, like, little rodeo experience with the girls
because I love horses so much?
So we're going to do that.
-I love you. -I love you.
[singsongy] My booty squad.
***
[blows air]
-Who is it? -It's Heather.
-Come on in. -What are you doing?
A little makeup.
I mean, a glam team in the middle of Arizona?
Isn't that an oxymoron?
Like, who are you gonna impress? The cacti?
The tumbleweeds?
The girls on the girls trip?
What look are you guys going for today?
I love it.
Very Jen Shah of you.
-This is a great setup. -Yeah.
Right. So I was coming in to talk to you.
I mean, right now, like, are you just gonna move on with Lisa?
Here's the problem that I have. I was very honest
in what I needed to be able to move forward as a real friend.
You can say "I'm sorry" till you're blue in the face,
but unless you're willing to change the behavior,
the apology becomes irrelevant.
***
I still don't understand how Lisa is gonna show you
that she wants to be your friend,
and I feel like you are coming off
as condescending and superior.
I'm not superior. I'm telling you
I don't find it acceptable to treat me that way, Heather.
I'm not willing to open myself up
to somebody who's just gonna stab me in the heart.
-Okay? I'm not. -I'm going to tell you right now
you need to look at your life and look at situations where
you have taken that risk with other people
who have hurt you and stabbed you in the back...
***
...and given them more grace than you're giving Lisa.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
That's really not true.
Stop being a condescending, superior bitch.
***
Come down a few notches, and let's just have fun.
I'm saying that I'm fine with her at surface level,
that I don't trust her.
That makes me a condescending person?
-No! -I don't trust her.
Saying that, "I will help you learn how to be my friend"
sounds condescending. I don't--
That's not what I said, Heather.
What I said was, "I can't be treated that way,
and if you wanna work on yourself..."
I don't think you should be treated that way either.
"...so we can figure out how we got there,
then I'm happy to work with you." That is all I said.
Okay. The most important thing you just said is,
"How wegot there," because you got there with her.
-Correct. -And I think you need to be
more open to that and open to what she has to say.
All I'm saying is I don't tolerate
the way she treated me.
And I think that is crystal clear.
-Okay. So that's it. -What I'm not clear on...
There's nothing else to talk about.
I feel frustrated 'cause I know Meredith
is capable of forgiving Lisa, but she doesn't want to.
And while there's a part of me that understands that deeply,
I'm kind of over it.
***
[amplified voice] Where my hoes at?
[normal voice] Oh, not in the bathroom.
[amplified voice] Whoo!
-[laughs] -Yes!
[singsongy] You look like a rock star!
Oh, now here we have the belle of the ball.
[horn honks]
I hope you are ready for this.
-Sprinter van. -Stay warm.
We're all here!
***
JEN: [amplified voice] We have arrived at our stop.
-HEATHER: You guys, we're here. -WHITNEY: Hello. Let's go.
HEATHER: Thanks, Zack.
-[vintage horn honks] -[all cheering]
-HEATHER: I see a captain hat! -How's it going, ladies?
-HEATHER: Our captain! -[women cheering]
Who's ready to party?
-We are ready to party. -Yeah!
All aboard the Jen Shah Express!
-JEN: Whoo! -[Meredith laughs]
I got some red wine. I got some...rosé.
-Rosé all day. -KEVIN: And a place for this.
You guys, this is about to be the funnest bike ride...
-That is right. -...we've ever done.
All right, ready? Everybody, pedal, pedal, pedal!
[all cheering]
[horn honks]
HEATHER: Yeah! Put your back into it!
Yes! Whoo! Whoo!
LISA: I think booze and bike rides
is what this group needs right now,
and I don't want all these little squabbles
to overshine what the real reason of this trip is.
This isn't about me. This isn't about anyone else.
It's coming together to support Jen...
Whoo!
-...and help Whitney heal. -[bell dings]
Whoo!
Got a stripper pole!
-[cheering] -Yeah!
[cheering]
We all know Whitney likes her coochie wet, okay?
Whoo!
Ground that bitch. [laughs]
Aah! Whoo!
[cheering continues]
Hey, is this a wet t-shirt contest?
Whoo!
-[laughs] -LISA: Okay, Jen Shah!
Yeah!
[cheering continues]
[laughter]
Oh, my God! This one's exploding!
-Whoo! -Yes!
Whoo!
Watching Lisa and Meredith passive-aggressively
throw cheap wine at each other...
[cheers and laughter echoing]
-...I'm living for it. -[bell dings]
All right, did you all have a good time?
-[all cheering] -Yes, Captain Kev!
HEATHER: Kevin, thank you. We love you.
I need a shower!
Coming up...
I didn't spread rumors.
-HEATHER: No, because-- -You came to mewith it.
Well, you came to me, too.
***
Zack the snack, thank you, my friend.
Thanks, Zack.
Okay, you guys, so there's a reason
why I'm in Dior boots.
You guys are gonna love this show.
These women performed for Dior and were featured in "Vogue."
So we're just gonna go this way.
When you think Arizona, you definitely think rodeo.
It's a private show.
Well, at least I do, and these women are amazing.
There's eight riders, and they're gonna perform
a series of drills for us
that are, like, synchronized to perfection.
Horses have always been so healing for me.
Let's sit.
So maybe this will be a great bonding experience
for all of us.
[Spanish guitar playing]
Here they come.
Wow.
Are we supposed to...um, clap or just, like, respect
and be quiet? -I think we just respect.
Okay.
Oh!
-Wow. -Wow.
***
HEATHER: That's gorgeous. Take a pic.
WOMAN: Cuatro!
***
Wow.
I think, gosh, that is amazing.
***
[applause]
-Thank you. Hello, ladies. -Hello.
-That was amazing. -Hi, America.
-Hi, Lisa. How are you? -Good. Good to see you.
Good to see you. How's it going?
Thanks for doing this for us. It's so magical.
No, you're welcome. This is our team, Escaramuza Chara Rayenari,
and we're very happy to have you here.
Explain how you're sitting. I've never seen that before.
So our dresses are inspired in the Adelitas,
who fought in the revolution in Mexico.
But it was not proper to ride like a man.
So we ride sidesaddle.
It's called keeping your knees together, Whit. [laughs]
Beautiful.
We've set up a few dresses for you girls
if you guys wanna try it on.
-Dresses? -Yes.
Similar to ours, a few different colors.
We have them set up for you so that you can come and join us.
But the outfits are right over here.
Do you guys wanna follow me?
Yeah. And she was like,
"These are from the Gaucho collection in 2007."
John got these for me.
So if you guys wanna pick a fit, I'm gonna wear this one.
Whitney, with your black hat.
This blue and purple is gorgeous.
-Okay. -Yeah, I'll do that one.
***
Should we just, like, throw 'em on right here?
Yeah, let's do it right here.
Cinch my waist.
Cinch it like a girdle.
Go. Yeah. Yes!
I wanted to tell you, I talked to Meredith this morning.
I just basically said to her, "You are sounding
like a superior, condescending friend that's putting terms
on why you'll be friends with Lisa."
Like, "She must get help. She must show me how she cares."
But the truth is, when I got on the trolley, it was fun.
From my perspective, when is enough enough with Meredith?
Because, like, we went through this
for the last two years with Jen. I don't--
-Exactly. -I'm not doing this.
And she is any happier than she is for holding Jen to the fire?
-No, and I'm not--No. -She's not.
How's everything going after last night with you and Lisa?
Um...it--it's just...is, you know what I'm saying?
Like, I don't think that she genuinely believes
she did anything wrong.
I think she believes she was heard.
I really don't think it's fair to Lisa that, like,
we're all holding her, like, to the cross,
but yet we've all heard things about her,
and we all have this information.
-What do youknow? -I just heard that she was,
you know, doing favors to help get places
to pick up Vida Tequila.
It feels a bit hypocritical to, like, hold her to the cross.
And I would entirely-- I would entirely agree with you,
except let's make one big differentiation.
I didn't spread rumors. I said very loose and vague,
there are rumors out there pertaining to her marriage,
pertaining to her finances, pertaining to whatever.
***
It doesn't matter how Meredith wants to spin this narrative,
you're talking sh--.
Are you really gonna argue semantics?
I didn't go out there and spread to the world.
I did a one-on-one quiet conversation...
But are you planning on-- are you planning on having
a one-on-one with her or no? -...with other people.
-But what are you gonna-- -It's kind of not my problem.
Well, I know. But it isyour problem.
-No. -'Cause you came to me with it.
'Cause I--well, you came to me, too.
[singsongy] Hey!
I feel like it's not fair to move forward
without telling Lisa.
Put it all on the fricking table.
-Whitney, are you kidding me? -This looks like ribbon candy.
You yourself has said let's make this fun and light for Jen.
You think that's gonna make it fun and light for Jen?
Who wants to get on a horse?
-I'm ready to ride for sure. -LISA: I'll go, too.
I'll do it.
I'll walk next to you for a minute. We'll see.
One, two, three.
-Ooh. Thank you. -Yep.
-That's a good dude. -[laughs]
JEN: Listen, if this bitch bucks me off,
I'm-a [bleep] him up. [laughs]
Well, on the dress is the problem.
I don't think I can do it.
Just go. One, two, three.
You're up there?
Okay, hold on.
-One, two, three. -Go. No?
[laughs]
Come on. Okay. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good.
Is the horse gonna care that I have stilettos and not boots?
Oh, I'm not straddling it?
Wait. Right here?
-Oh. -Good.
-Sh--. -[laughs]
JEN: Where do I hold?
Oh. Oh, yeah. The reins. [laughs]
Single file.
[upbeat Latin music playing]
***
I love it. Yeah.
Like, this is intense.
***
Is this what you do in a parade?
-And then they throw flowers? -[woman laughs]
What did you wear for the Dior show? These?
[gasps]
That's so crazy. My-- like, literally, my husband
had bought me these boots.
They were for the Gaucho collection.
I think the reason Lisa might have brought us to this rodeo
is to just show off her Dior boots.
And then I was like, "Oh, they're so pretty for this."
I mean, she did say it, like, 10 times. [laughs]
Thank you so much. Are you tired?
Do you wanna get up here with me? [laughs]
[laughs]
Coming up...
You told me that she performed sexual favors!
Are you crazy?!
***
[crickets chirping]
***
WHITNEY: Heather?
[record needle scratches]
***
What are you doing tonight?
I am hosting...
Garbage whore lingerie party.
Oh, my God.
I can't take all the credit for that
because I'm not the one that came up with that.
Actually, Lisa Barlow did.
I felt like today that Meredith and Lisa were good.
This is what bugs me about it is...
If you don't have firsthand knowledge of...
But it's not--I know, but, babe, think about it.
-I'm trying to help Lisa... -Do what?
...mend a bridge with Meredith.
I'm trying to help Meredith mend a bridge with Lisa.
Okay, let me tell you right now it does not look like that.
-And Meredith--It doesn't? -So stop.
But I just had this moment at the horse thing
where I was just like...
like, what are you gonna do about this?
'Cause that's not fair.
Right now I'm processing
that there's a lot of secrets in my family.
Those secrets fester and build, and they implode,
so that is something that I don't wanna do anymore.
I want to break that cycle.
We need to preheat the oven to, like, 400. 425, actually.
***
Whitney. [chuckles]
***
Try to bend with your knees when you do the oven.
This isn't working for you? [laughs]
Wow!
Well, well, ladies!
-[laughs] -Ohh!
WHITNEY: I love your hat.
***
Hey.
Um...
I don't think that that's lingerie.
That's about on par with a onesie.
WHITNEY: Clearly, John doesn't see much skin.
I think they're secret freaks, though.
For a Mormon 2.0, she is representing.
Nary a nip or a cleavage in sight.
I feel sexy.
I think we all dressed to our personality,
and clearly, like, I dress to mine.
All right, does anyone want steak,
or does everyone just want salmon?
HEATHER: I want steak.
All right, I'm gonna go fire up the grill.
JEN: Is this the drive-thru? Can I get an order?
[women cheering]
JEN: [amplified voice] Welcome to
the garbage whore lingerie party.
[laughs]
Um...Lisa?
-I feel sexy. Don't talk. -Okay.
[laughter]
***
I need you to come help me with meat,
'cause you're the only one...
-Can beat the meat? -...I trust with meat.
Come on.
***
Have you ever grilled like this before?
I haven't.
We're gonna do an open plate salad,
make it look, like, super chic.
HEATHER: Super chic.
***
Yes, ma'am.
Um...so I have a question for you.
Like, did you ever have a conversation with Meredith
talking about, like, alleged affairs?
Um...I'm not the one that brought that up.
-Okay. -Meredith brought it up.
And I said, "Yeah, "I've heard it."
I haveheard it.
I'm asking Jen if she actually brought up to you that Lisa
has had alleged affairs.
-When we were in the hot tub. -We talked about it.
-Yeah, I said I heard rumors. -I didn't bring it up.
I didn't say specific to what.
Jen said that she had heard rumors of affairs.
I confirmed that it was the same thing I heard.
I just kinda feel like I've been put in the middle now.
-Of what? -What do you mean?
I feel like you put me in the middle.
The reality is, Whitney,
you had a lot more to say than I did.
***
I have a mutual friend of Lisa's,
and he's very wealthy and very well known in Utah.
And I heard that she slept with him to sway him
to invest in...her businesses.
And I thought it was absurd, too, but guess what?
We were at a Jazz game the other night,
and John and Jack were sitting in his seats--this man's seats.
Wow.
-Do you remember that? -That doesn't matter.
-Okay. -But here's the thing.
I don't feel like I can authentically move forward
if we don't put it all on the table
because now I feel bad. Because--Because--
No one's-- No one knew anything about that.
-That's fine. Let's do it. -But--But...
-Jen agrees. -I need you to say it
because-- -I'm not saying it.
-Tonight let's just keep quiet. -Yeah.
-Let's just go to bed. -We gotta, like--Yeah.
Let's eat, go to bed, and just keep it--
-I don't know where they are. -Okay.
Are they cooking the meat? Where are they?
Everyone knows if they tell me, I'll be the one to say it.
-I see where you're coming from. -I'm--I'm coming
from a place of strength. -Where you're, like,
"I want to stop being Nancy Drew."
-Yes. -Because your intention...
-Do you feel--Okay. -...is not what ends up,
I feel like the perception that happens.
Exactly.
Everyone is used to me being Nancy Drew.
I cannot...and...will...not... know...more.
But no one's asking you to, Whitney.
No one's asking, but everyone's expecting
and dropping information... -Whitney, that's--
...and doing it all.
What are you even talking about?!
***
-What's going on? -What's wrong? What's wrong?
Whitney, Whitney, what's wrong?
-I'm done... -With...
...with bullsh--.
***
HEATHER: What is going on?
-What just happened out there? -So I am trying--Just shut up.
Please, everyone, shut up.
Just let me get it out in my own way.
***
LISA: Whitney, Whitney, what's wrong?
HEATHER: What is going on?
Just shut up.
Please, everyone, shut up.
Just let me get it out in my own way.
I'm having a very hard time, Lisa,
because for the first time
in the entire time I've known you,
I feel like we have a real friendship.
I'm confused.
What is happening right now is I feel so conflicted
because I have talked with Meredith about your marriage,
about rumors about you.
Meredith brought it up.
She came to me with alleged rumors about you,
and now I feel... -I sat there with Whitney.
-Let me clarify what I said... -...like I am in the middle.
-...before she-- -I feel like I'm in the middle,
and I'm removing myself out of it
because this is not my fight.
Retaliation is a ----ing bitch.
I'm in shock.
Like, wow. Wow.
I thought marriages were off-limits, Meredith.
I thought everything with family's off-limits.
It's like a power play for her.
Whitney, thank you so much for telling me that
and being a good friend. -I'm gonna get the salmon.
There's nothing wrong with my marriage.
-There's no infidelity. -HEATHER: Hold on a second.
I'm happy and I love my family. John and I are totally fine.
Everybody, eat, and we'll talk about it at dinner like adults.
What was said about me?
***
Um...it's rumored that one of your [bleep]
that has the Jazz tickets that...
I don't know which--
...that you have been involved with.
-I don't wanna say the name. -Are you crazy?!
I'm not crazy. I'm saying--
Oh, my God.
That is disgusting. That is disgusting!
I am not the one that started it!
-Disgusting! -I'm telling you what I heard.
-Disgusting! -It is disgusting, isn't it?
-Yes. -Disgusting. Disgusting.
I heard it, and I'm bringing it to you,
and I'm asking you, and you said no. It's done.
Do you know that's someone I look at that's like my father?
MEREDITH: I didn't tell her that.
-She told methat. -Whitney told youthat?
-Correct. -This is someone that has, like,
mentored me, and we work together.
I didn't tell her that. I heard it from Whitney.
I don't know why I'm even involved in this right now.
In fact, I never heard these rumors
other than from Whitney.
I've heard other rumors, but not the ones Whitney told me.
Who repeated that rumor? You or me?
-I didn't know it. -You told me...
You started the rumor!
...that she performed sexual favors!
Blowies for Jazz tickets? I mean, that's a stretch.
It's not like you were courtside for the Lakers.
I mean, blowies to sit next to Jack Nicholson?
Maybe a little more plausible, but courtside at the Jazz,
you don't have to get on your knees for that.
-I did not say that. -Yes, you absolutely did.
-I did not say that. -I heard it,
and you said, "Is that absurd?"
What do youknow?
I just heard that she was, you know,
doing favors to help get places to pick up Vida Tequila.
It sounds absurd to me.
Do you feel good? Do you guys feel good?
***
Does this feel ----ing good? Like, ----ing hurt me more.
JEN: Jen Shah who? [scoffs]
Like, I'm fighting for my life and my freedom,
but y'all are fighting for courtside Jazz ticket seats
and who said what and what rumors
and who's a garbage trash whore and who's not.
The point here is that the pain is between you two.
I don't want you guys involved.
I can handle things with Meredith alone.
And I said I would talk to you directly.
I didn't wanna talk about you to anybody else
because I never have, and I didn't want to.
Don't say you never have, Lisa, because you have.
Other than one ----ing rant?!
No, and I've heard about it for years.
Um...oh, whatever. That's a lie. That's a lie.
-That's a lie. -So please stop lying to me.
Call the people. No, no, no, I'm not lying,
and I'm not gonna be accused of ----ing lying.
You know what? You can not be perfect,
and you can still forgive her. -No.
We just need to breathe. Everybody, breathe.
Everybody, let's do the... [inhales and exhales deeply]
This is retaliation. We are not involved,
and you two need to work this out.
I don't know what's going on with Whitney.
She's like a runaway train.
I know she's got a lot on her heart and mind,
but if Whitney is seeking peace and truth and healing,
stirring up trouble is the opposite of that.
Make it clear because there's confusion here.
I have said sorry, and I am not gonna beg you
for your friendship. -You said that to me.
-It is not happening. -I did not say that to you.
I am not gonna beg you for your friendship.
MEREDITH: It was the first time I heard it.
I ----ed up one time in our friendship.
-No, Lisa, it wasn't one time. -One time!
-You continue to say-- -It was one time, Meredith!
-Stop yelling at me, Lisa. -I have not--
-I am not gonna calm down. -I'm not--
-Don't patronize me. -Stop yelling at me.
I'm gonna ----ing scream if I want to.
LISA: I'm not yelling at you. I'm yelling at this.
Okay, scream. Then I'm not communicating with you.
I'm yelling because I can't take it.
Throwing things and having a fit. I am calm.
I'm gonna throw more sh--. It doesn't make me psycho.
-It makes me human. -Okay, Lisa.
-I'm done with this. -Right.
You wanna retaliate? Go ahead and retaliate!
I don't need your friendship. If you don't wanna be
my ----ing friend, you're done. -JEN: Wait. Who's retaliating?
We're done.
I just really don't know...
[voice breaking] how much more I can take.
[Lisa sobbing]
I have taken the brunt of so...much.
***
I need to call my husband.
***
I have taken the brunt of so...much.
***
All I have is John, Jack, and Henry.
That is all I have! That is all I have!
John, Jack, and Henry are my everything,
and for someone to try and hurt that is disgusting.
I need to call my husband. I have to go--No.
***
[Lisa sobbing]
All you have is your family. Well, guess what?
All literally... literally all I have
is my ----ing husband and my kids!
Everything's been taken away from me!
Everything!
I don't have anything else, you guys. [sobbing]
Way to go, cuz.
Really, really knocked it out of the park on this one.
We've taken an already-frantic, stressed-out woman...
[sobbing] I don't have anything else.
...and upped the ante.
Meredith, Meredith, look at me.
I own the things that I said.
Well, not exactly,
'cause you created a little confusion there
with her thinking Isaid that.
I did not create confusion. I said--
You created a little confusion.
-Did I? -You did.
-Well, that's why--Okay. -You created some confusion.
Meredith, you're absolutely right.
Then go clear it up.
-Clear it up? -Go clear it up.
***
[knocks]
***
You don't get to come in here. I want you to go.
I want you to go! I want you to go.
-You're not my friend. -Lisa, I listened to you.
No, I want you to go. I have nothing to say to you.
-Okay. -I have nothing to say to you.
I wanna say one thing to you, and I wanna clear something up.
I did not say anything other than the fact
that there arerumors out there, and I didn't know
if they were true or false.
-You know that you're not-- -I didn't say--
-Yeah. -Let me finish.
I did not say--that whole thing that Whitney's talking about,
she said-- I knew nothing about it.
Let's go-- Let's go figure it out. Let's--
-She will--Okay. -I wanna hear about it.
She'll answer you right now.
I knew nothing about it until she told me.
So I couldn't have said it.
Hey, Whitney, Whitney...
-I did not. -Okay.
Meredith came to my home. I invited her over.
HEATHER: Whitney, go in there and talk to her about it then.
Meredith, you can't trust me?
I'm not the one going from house to house
talking about you behind your back.
Can we just pause? Like, like, like, like,
mental health pause for a second.
Did you engage in the negative conversations
about me and my family?
If the answer is yes, you're at fault, too.
It doesn't matter who brought it up first.
Did you shut it down, or did you engage?
Because that's your answer right there.
-Whitney, can I talk? -Whitney! Whitney!
-Just sit right here. -Sorry. I'm trying to help.
Whitney, it's not about us. Come on. Just sit, baby.
-I'm trying to help her. -I know. I know.
-I'm trying to help her. -I know you are.
I want to tell you what I said, which was that there are rumors
that pertain to basically every area of your life
that you spoke about mine.
***
I did not speak to any specific rumors.
However, I should have just not said anything at all.
-Thank you. Thank you. -And I was trying to understand
what was going on, and I should've said nothing,
and I apologize.
Thank you.
I accept your apology.
But every single ----ing time we're all together...
-I know. -...it's a pile-on.
And I take the brunt of everything.
When you had talks with her, I got it all.
[all speaking at once]
I would never say it.
It's not good for my kids.
-It's not good for my husband. -I know, but...
Like, when I'm absorbing so much--I'm an empath.
-It's not--I know. Do you-- -I absorb it all.
Why don't you take a couple minutes?
-Yeah, go to the bathroom. -Take a couple deep breaths.
And I'm coming to check on you in...four minutes.
I don't know why I said four.
[laughs] Not three and not five, but four.
I feel like you won't budge.
-I won't budge on what? -I gotta use the bathroom.
You are the one who said that you have heard
that she is, in fact, a "whore."
I said there are rumors out there that pertain
to that exact word. That is correct.
-What if Lisa's a whore? -I don't ----ing care.
I'm wearing lingerie for cowboy night right now.
What if--What if Lisa does blowjobs
for Vida Tequila orders? -Whitney, I don't understand
what we're ar-- Am I missing something?
Do you still wanna be friends with Lisa?
-We're saying the same thing. -Okay.
I'd give a blowjob for a burger. I mean, I don't know.
My bar's pretty low.
I love you. I love myself, too. I'm going to bed.
-I know what's good for me. -Okay.
I'm going to bed.
[voice breaking] I am just sick of it, like,
being thrown under the bus 'cause I'll say--
But nobody threw you under the bus, but I--
-You did. -I didn't.
All I did was clear up
because Heather was saying that it was something Isaid.
I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know.
-You owned it... -'Cause you never told me...
...and she misunderstood.
So I thought Meredith had told you.
I have told you everything, Heather.
We were at the Jazz game with Angie.
And you said, "That's who Lisa's ----ing"?
-The guy in her seats? -I didn't say it.
You sat in the front two seats on New Year's Eve with Angie.
Angie told us that John Barlow...
-Babe, that was a we-- -...and Lisa
have those tickets because Lisa sleeps with [bleep].
That's how I heard it, and you were there.
-I did not hear it. -You were there.
I would tell you. It's a lie.
If I knew it, I would ----ing say it.
I have never heard it, and you don't think I would love
that information on her?
-Did I-- -You are lying right now.
-Tell me how! -Because I stood courtside
at the Jazz game with Angie, and she told us that!
-You're not with Lisa? -I sat next to Angie and Chris.
I'm gonna go check on her 'cause I thought you were with her.
And you were two rows back on the other side.
When did she say--
Oh, when we were walking off and taking a selfie,
and she goes,
"That's who Lisa sleeps with for the Jazz tickets."
-Wait, what? -Well, guess what?
I didn't hear that ----ing nugget!
If I had, I would've... ----ed, too,
'cause I love sitting courtside.
[bleep] you for calling me a ----ing liar!
-You called me a liar. -Goddamn you!
[bleep] you!
[bleep] me, please. I love to be ----ed.
[crickets chirping, water bubbling]