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[cheerful guitar music]

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[Narrator] A vibrant
and loving young mother.

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She was just an
awesome person.

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She had a little feisty side
to her 'cause of the redhead,

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but she was always looking
out for everybody else.

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[ominous music]

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[Narrator] Is found
savagely murdered

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inside an office
building washroom.

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There was insulated electrical
wire used to strangle her.

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It appeared that there
had been a sexual assault.

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[suspenseful music]

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[Narrator] Detectives
pursue multiple suspects.

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There were problems
with the marriage.

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They had had issues.
They had been arguing.

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He was in the building
the night she was killed.

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His prints matched the prints
inside the bathroom stall.

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[tense music]

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[Narrator] And hunt
down an elusive killer.

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We talked to the
attorney who states that

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he is probably somewhere
in South America.

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And I said, "Okay, where
is he at? Can we get him?"

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[Narrator] That no
one could have imagined.

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I was in shock. I
couldn't believe it.

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It was very unexpected to
see him as an actual killer.

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[foreboding music]

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[peaceful music]

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[Narrator] Known for
its live music scene,

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Austin, Texas is also

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one of the safest big
cities in the country.

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Austin's kind of one of
those cool vibe cities,

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and it's just a very
good mix of people.

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There's a lot of green belts

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and parks and creeks and trails.

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It's a really, a really
neat place to live.

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Austin has not had
the kind of crime and

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the volume of crime
as other large cities.

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People do typically feel safe.

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[foreboding music]

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[Narrator] But, in
1983, the town is rocked

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when a local businessman
makes a gruesome discovery.

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In the early morning hours
of September 20th, 1983,

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the Austin Police Department
received a 911 call.

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One of the tenants
of an office complex

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had come in in the morning

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and discovered things
were out of place.

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There was a cleaning
cart out in the hallway,

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so he went to try to find out

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if anyone else was
still in the building.

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He did discover
a deceased female

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in the upstairs men's restroom.

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The 911 caller did
not know her name,

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but he recognized her

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as the woman who did
clean the building.

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[Narrator] Police are
dispatched to the scene.

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When we located the female
victim in the men's restroom,

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she was positioned
inside of the stall.

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She was undressed and there
was insulated electrical wire

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that had small loops
tied on the ends of them.

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Detectives believed
that electrical wire

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was used to strangle her and
be the cause of her death.

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It appeared because she had
no defensive wounds at all

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that the killer came up from
behind and surprised her.

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Everything in the crime
scene suggested that

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this was a violent attack.

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There was wet toilet paper

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inside of her nose
and her mouth.

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It stands to reason

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the killer put that in
her mouth and her nose

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after he strangled her

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to ensure that she
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There was bodily
fluid and clothing

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that made it appear as if she
was drug across the floor.

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Her clothes were scattered
amongst the restroom

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and it appeared that there
had been a sexual assault.

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[ominous music]

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The victim was
identified by an ID

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that was found
inside of her purse.

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She was Laurie Stout, a
22-year-old female from Austin.

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[ominous music]

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[Narrator] While
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investigators look
for other evidence

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left behind by the killer.

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A significant fingerprint

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was located in the men's
stall of the restroom.

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When dragging her in there,

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the person would almost have to

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brace themselves on the wall
of the inside of the stall.

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The print inside
the bathroom stall

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matched a print on the
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so the two of those
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[Narrator] Had the killer
fled through the fire escape

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after committing the murder?

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Detectives head down
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looking for more clues.

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They found that
there was a spool

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that was used for insulated

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electrical wiring,
inside the dumpster,

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they also found
some looser pieces

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of the same type of wiring that
was used to kill the victim.

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[Narrator] Detectives
bag the items for analysis.

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Back inside, police
start piecing together

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a theory of who could have
committed this horrible act.

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The fact that the victim
was killed inside the building

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in the middle of the night
suggested that whoever did this

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had access or a
key to get in it.

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[Narrator] Detectives
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and talk to employees,

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but determine that no one
had seen anything suspicious.

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We were able to talk
with two witnesses

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that saw Laurie at about
13:30 a.m. as they locked up

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and secured the
building and left.

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We know that she
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around 12:30 in the morning,

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and the employee at the building

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discovered her
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so she died some time
during that time frame.

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[Narrator] Just as
investigators are finishing up,

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a frantic man
arrives at the scene.

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He identifies
himself as Gary Stout

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and demands to know
where his wife Laurie is.

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Gary Stout told detectives
he woke up that morning

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and discovered that his wife
was not home yet from work.

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He got worried and he
drove up to the building,

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which was a short distance away,

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and discovered her car
still in the parking lot,

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but it was surrounded
by numerous police cars.

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It was at that point that
the police spoke with him

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and broke the news that
his wife was found dead.

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[somber music]

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He was obviously traumatized
by what had happened.

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[Narrator] As police take Gary

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down to the station
for questioning,

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the devastating
news soon spreads

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to the rest of Laurie's family.

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I was in shock. I
couldn't believe it.

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My whole world changed.

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I no longer had my confidante.

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I no longer had my best friend.
It was horrible, horrible.

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When we found out that
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it was a big impact.

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It was overwhelming.

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[gentle music]

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[Narrator] Born in
Arlington, Virginia in 1960,

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Laurie Coffey was a naturally
warm and caring soul.

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Laurie was the oldest of
Laurie, myself, and T.J.

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She was kind of the
mother hen of us all.

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She had a little
feisty side to her

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and I think maybe
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but she was always looking
out for everybody else.

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She was just an awesome
person. She really, truly was.

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Laurie was the leader
of us three musketeers,

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me, Beverly and Laurie,

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and she kept us going.

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[upbeat music]

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[Narrator] After
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with her mother and siblings,

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in 1977, Laurie met Gary Stout,

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who worked logistics
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It all flourished very fast.

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She was so giddy about
Gary and they fell in love.

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All in all, he just
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so we were all, you know,
okay, so this is it.

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[Narrator] After a
whirlwind courtship,

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Laurie and Gary married
the following year.

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Three years later,
Laurie became pregnant.

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She was over the
moon. Very, very happy.

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I mean, that's what she wanted.

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She wanted to be married,
start having a family,

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and she was on her way.

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[solemn music]

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[Narrator] But Laurie
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the harsh realities of
military family life.

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Gary got orders to go to
Belgium. She was very sad.

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Laurie was sad that
Gary was gone overseas,

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and here she was, facing having
a baby on her own at home.

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[Narrator] On January 26th,
1982, while Gary is away,

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Laurie gives birth
to a baby girl.

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Laurie had a
really easy labor,

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and, you know, now we
have this little baby.

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And, of course,
she was ecstatic.

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[peaceful music]

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I think that she very
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I think that she experienced

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probably the happiest months
of her life after I was born.

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In order to spend more
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Gary left the military

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and took a job as a maintenance
worker in the same building

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where Laurie worked
nights as a cleaner.

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She was very excited
that he was coming home.

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That's all she wanted, just to
be a mom and wife, homemaker.

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[Narrator] With her
life finally on track,

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how did this loving young mother

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become the victim of
a cold-blooded killer?

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As with any investigation,

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we have to look at those that
are closest to the victim

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and those that have motive.

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As an employee of the building,

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a maintenance worker
there, Gary had access.

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[tense music]

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[Narrator] Down
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police question Gary about
his marriage to Laurie.

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When we asked him about any
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he quickly admitted that
they had had issues.

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They had been arguing
and were unhappy.

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Detectives discovered that

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Laurie actually went and
stayed with her sister Beverly

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shortly before the
murder happened

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because of a really big
argument that she had with Gary.

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Things were not going all
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and she was miserable.

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This definitely
created a concern

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that there were problems
with the marriage.

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So, knowing that he
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it raises the level of suspicion

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that he could have been
involved in this crime.

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[Narrator] Coming up,

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detectives uncover
disturbing secrets.

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[foreboding music]

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He wasn't happy
in his relationship

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and he admitted that he
was looking at leaving her.

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Laurie's family felt very
strongly that he was the killer.

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[Narrator] Before
a shocking tip

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takes police in a
whole new direction.

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We received information
from a female victim

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of a man that committed a
similar attack against her.

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This is a big turning
point in the investigation.

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Could this be a serial rapist?

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Could it be a serial murderer?

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[Narrator] And has detectives

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risking it all to
catch a killer.

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We knew it was
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something big for
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We were holding our breath.

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We weren't sure it
was going to happen.

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[foreboding music]

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[Narrator] Police
investigating

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the murder of 22-year-old
mother Laurie Stout

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are questioning their first
suspect, her husband, Gary.

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When Gary was
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he was very forthcoming

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about the poor state of
his marriage with Laurie,

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so it was a little
bit of a red flag.

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At this point in
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we need additional information
about problems that

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may be in their relationship.

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[somber music]

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Laurie and Gary were happy
when they first got married.

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She was proud to be a wife.
That's all she wanted.

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[Narrator] But things changed

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when Gary returned
from overseas.

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Laurie wanted it to just be
like it was before he left,

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and, unfortunately,
that was not the case.

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So, knowing the
family's account

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of their relationship as well,

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knowing that it was a
volatile relationship,

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created concern that
he could have been

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frustrated with Laurie and
committed this type of act.

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[Narrator] When
detectives press Gary

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for details about why his
marriage was falling apart,

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he makes an alarming confession.

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He admitted that he had
actually had an affair

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and was looking
at leaving Laurie.

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[Narrator] Gary
tells detectives

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that he met a woman
while overseas,

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and that she had since come
to visit him in Austin.

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At this point, the
detectives are wondering,

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does Gary want Laurie
out of the picture,

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given the very bad
state of their marriage

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and the fact that
he wants to be with

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this woman he's
having an affair with?

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[Narrator] Gary explains that

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he ultimately chose
to stay with Laurie,

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but detective's become
even more suspicious

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after they ask him for an alibi.

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He stated that,
the night before,

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he and Laurie had
had an argument,

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so she went and
slept on the couch.

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At one point, she
finally just got up

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in the early morning
hours, went to work.

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Gary did not have an alibi
that we could confirm.

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He was at home with
a young child asleep.

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He could have left his house,

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gone up to the
building, and come back.

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That would not be
something we could verify.

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So the marital difficulties
and now we've got a big fight,

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and Gary having access
to the building.

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He's somebody that they're
looking at pretty hard.

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[foreboding music]

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[Narrator] Detectives ask Gary

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to provide samples of his
blood and fingerprints

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to be compared with evidence
found at the crime scene.

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He was cooperative with us.

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He provided the samples
that were requested.

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[Narrator] Looking further
into Gary's movements

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leading up to the murder,

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investigators reach out to his
boss at the office building.

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The manager of the building
informed the detectives that

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Gary had fixed a water heater

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the day before
Laurie was killed,

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and he used the same
type of electrical wiring

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that was used to kill Laurie.

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This was another extremely
big flag in the case.

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All these things together

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really raised the suspicion
that this is the guy.

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[Narrator] As police wait
for forensic testing results,

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Laurie's autopsy
report comes in.

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Laurie's cause of death
was, in fact, strangulation,

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and that seemed to match the
ligature found at the scene.

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What was determined is that

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a sexual assault
had taken place.

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They were able to
get a sample of semen.

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However, this is 1983,

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so there was no DNA
testing available.

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In order to do any comparison,
we use blood type antigens.

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This kind of evidence
is helpful in

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narrowing down the
field of suspects.

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[ominous music]

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When we found out how
Laurie was actually killed,

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it was disturbing.

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First thought to my mind,
one sick individual.

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One very sick
individual that did it.

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Pure evil.

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Absolute pure evil.

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[Narrator] Detectives
eagerly receive

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the results of Gary's
fingerprints and blood tests,

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but they are far
from conclusive.

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Gary's fingerprints
did not match

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the one inside the stall,

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but did match prints
in the building,

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but he has access
to the building and
he is working there.

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His blood type, it matches
the type found in the semen,

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but, of course, Gary
is married to Laurie,

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so it's another piece of
evidence that can go both ways.

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Ultimately, we
couldn't use fingerprints

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or any blood work
to exclude him.

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[Narrator] Running
out of options,

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detectives try one last
method to get to the truth.

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Gary Stout was provided

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an opportunity to
take a polygraph.

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During that interview,
he was asked

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if he was responsible
for the murder of Laurie

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and he advised he wasn't.

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The results of that polygraph

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indicated that he
was being truthful

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and there was no deception.

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Detectives were surprised
that Gary passed a polygraph.

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Now, detectives have
motive, they have access,

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but no evidence
conclusively to show that

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Gary is, in fact, the killer.

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[Narrator] With
nothing to hold him on,

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Gary is free to go.

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At this point, Gary is
not ruled out as a suspect,

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but he takes a little
bit more of a back seat.

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[Narrator] Looking
for new leads,

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investigators turn their focus

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back to the numerous employees

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who work at the building
where Laurie was killed.

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What's difficult,

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particularly about a
public space like this,

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is so many people have access.

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We talked to everybody that
was a tenant in that building,

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and started working our
way through that process.

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Many of those
folks were excluded

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based on fingerprints, evidence,

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everything else that could
really put them to the side.

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[Narrator] But police learn
that the building's tenants

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weren't the only ones who
had access that night.

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We discovered
that registration

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was being conducted from
the University of Texas,

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a satellite location
at this office complex,

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and they stayed late after hours

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so that folks could
come after work

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to sign up late
into the evening.

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So this was definitely
something of interest for us.

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Detectives were able to get
the names of the male students

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who had gone in that night,

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and they had them come down
to the police department,

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and they got fingerprints
of these individuals.

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[suspenseful music]

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[Narrator] Police
process the fingerprints

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of over a dozen students, and
receive an alarming result.

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We were able to rule
everyone out on the list,

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with the exception of one.

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We had a match of the
fingerprint inside
the men's restroom,

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as well as a fire escape door,

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so this person is somebody we
want to talk to and interview.

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[foreboding music]

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[omiinvestigating[Narrator] Detectives

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the brutal murder
of Laurie Stout

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have just matched a set of
crime scene fingerprints

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with someone who was in
the building that night.

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The University of Texas

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was having a sign-up
registration at the
satellite campus,

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which allowed people
to come after hours

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in the evenings after work

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in order to get
signed up for classes,

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so we start going through
the list of registrants.

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Detectives were
able to determine that

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there was one student whose
prints matched the prints

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inside the bathroom stall
where Laurie was found,

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and also on the fire escape
door on that second floor.

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That individual was
identified as Robert Van Wisse

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and he was 18 years old.

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[foreboding music]

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[Narrator] Investigators
interview Robert

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about his movements on the
night Laurie was killed.

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He told us that he had
been there for registration

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and on his way out he used
the men's restroom upstairs.

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Once he was done
in the restroom, he
exited the fire escape

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because it was closer to
where his vehicle was parked,

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which would explain why
his fingerprints were found

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in the men's stall and
the fire escape door.

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Robert Van Wisse
did acknowledge that

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he saw the cleaning lady,
which was our victim, Laurie,

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after using the bathroom
on the second floor,

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before he exited the building.

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[Narrator] Robert
tells detectives

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that he left the building
at around 12:15 a.m.

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Before investigators
look to verify his story,

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they ask Robert
for a blood sample

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to compare to the semen
found at the crime scene.

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Robert Van Wisse
was cooperative.

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He gave the blood
sample at the time

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and the detectives
submitted it for testing.

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There is nothing
that we discover

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on Robert Van Wisse's
criminal history

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or anything else
that causes concern.

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It appears he's had no
contact with law enforcement

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and no violent
offenses in the past.

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He came from a family
that is very well-respected.

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His parents are pretty
well-known surgeons

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in the Austin area.

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There didn't seem to be
anything that would suggest him

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to behave in this
kind of violent way.

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[Narrator] While they
wait for the results,

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detectives look for anyone

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who can corroborate
Robert's story.

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Detectives interviewed

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two employees of the
education office,

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and they confirmed that

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they saw Robert Van Wisse
leave the building at 12:15.

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We know Laurie was still alive,
because there were witnesses

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that confirmed she
was alive at 12:30.

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[Narrator] With Robert looking

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less and less like
a viable suspect,

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his blood test results come in.

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The analysis of the
blood sample told us that

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Robert was not a match

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to the bodily fluids
found at the crime scene.

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[Narrator] The discovery means

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there is no hard
evidence against Robert,

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and they are forced
to let him go.

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Robert Van Wisse was ruled out

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and eliminated as a suspect.

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[Narrator] With no new leads,
the investigation falters.

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As weeks pass with no arrests,
fear in the community grows.

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The nature of the crime
had created a lot of panic

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for residents,
particularly females.

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It was difficult because
there was no resolution.

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It left a lot of
fear in the community.

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The police felt
pressure to find out

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who was responsible
for Laurie's death.

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I mean, this was a totally

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innocent mother, 22 years old,

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taken from her family in
a very violent attack.

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The people in and around
that area where she was killed,

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they were interested in
knowing what was going on.

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It was tough on our family.
It is very frustrating.

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There's somebody out there
that has taken a life and

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you want that person
to be held accountable.

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[ominous music]

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Any time there's a
crime committed like this,

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there's an inherent
pressure to solve it

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to try to bring some
closure and some comfort

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to the family and
to the community.

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A person that could
do something like this,

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that's not somebody that's
gonna stop at that one act.

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Typically speaking,
that person is gonna

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continue to hurt other people.

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We're always worried that

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he could continue to
commit these kinds of acts

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until he's brought to justice.

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[ominous music]

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[Narrator] One month
after Laurie's murder,

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police receive a
promising new lead.

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We received information
from a female victim

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of a man that committed a
similar attack against her.

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The victim was sexually
assaulted and strangled,

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but she was able to get away.

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He mistakenly
thought she was dead

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and she was able
to identify him.

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That person's name
was Darryl Kemp.

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[foreboding music]

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Darryl Kemp, at that
point, was in prison,

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but he was not in prison at the
time that Laurie was killed.

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And so we started
looking into this.

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We evaluated the information
and started to determine

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if this could potentially
be a suspect in this case.

499
00:22:17,030 --> 00:22:20,033
[Narrator] Police dig into
Darryl Kemp's background

500
00:22:20,033 --> 00:22:22,514
and discover a
disturbing pattern.

501
00:22:23,428 --> 00:22:24,647
It's determined
that Darryl Kemp

502
00:22:24,647 --> 00:22:28,520
committed an attack
in 1960, similar,

503
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,350
where the victim was sexually
assaulted and strangled.

504
00:22:32,350 --> 00:22:36,398
He was convicted for
the rape and murder

505
00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:39,531
of a woman named Marjorie
Hipperson in California.

506
00:22:39,531 --> 00:22:41,925
He did receive the
death penalty for that,

507
00:22:42,882 --> 00:22:46,016
but, later on, the death
penalty got overturned.

508
00:22:46,016 --> 00:22:50,542
Ultimately, he was
released and paroled in 1978.

509
00:22:50,542 --> 00:22:52,675
That's when Darryl
Kemp moved to Austin.

510
00:22:52,675 --> 00:22:57,201
His M.O. matched, he's
killed in this fashion before,

511
00:22:57,201 --> 00:23:00,160
and he was in
Austin at the time,

512
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,553
so this is going to be somebody

513
00:23:01,553 --> 00:23:04,730
that detectives look
at pretty intently.

514
00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:06,993
Could this be a serial rapist?

515
00:23:06,993 --> 00:23:08,255
Could it be a serial murderer?

516
00:23:08,255 --> 00:23:09,648
[tense music]

517
00:23:09,648 --> 00:23:11,955
We had questions that we
needed to get answers to.

518
00:23:11,955 --> 00:23:14,958
[foreboding music]

519
00:23:20,137 --> 00:23:22,487
[Narrator] One month after
young mother Laurie Stout

520
00:23:22,487 --> 00:23:25,229
was found raped and murdered
in a bathroom stall,

521
00:23:25,229 --> 00:23:28,450
police are investigating a
tip that she was the victim of

522
00:23:28,450 --> 00:23:31,757
convicted serial
killer Darryl Kemp.

523
00:23:31,757 --> 00:23:33,846
Detectives at this
time were thinking that

524
00:23:33,846 --> 00:23:36,936
Darryl Kemp was a strong
possibility as a suspect

525
00:23:36,936 --> 00:23:39,635
because of the similar M.O,

526
00:23:39,635 --> 00:23:42,376
which was sexual assault
and strangulation.

527
00:23:42,376 --> 00:23:43,943
[Narrator]
Investigators learn that,

528
00:23:43,943 --> 00:23:47,469
although Darryl is currently
in jail for an unrelated crime,

529
00:23:47,469 --> 00:23:50,472
he was a free man at the
time Laurie was killed.

530
00:23:50,472 --> 00:23:53,475
Detectives head to
prison to question him.

531
00:23:53,475 --> 00:23:54,606
The difficult part about

532
00:23:54,606 --> 00:23:56,042
interviewing somebody
like Darryl Kemp is

533
00:23:56,042 --> 00:23:57,870
he's obviously been
down this road before.

534
00:23:57,870 --> 00:24:00,743
He's got knowledge of
how investigations work,

535
00:24:00,743 --> 00:24:03,485
and so information
may be withheld

536
00:24:03,485 --> 00:24:05,487
or may not be genuine
in his responses

537
00:24:05,487 --> 00:24:07,750
based on where he
thinks or feels like

538
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:09,708
your questions are leading him.

539
00:24:11,057 --> 00:24:13,495
[Narrator] Detectives
start by questioning Darryl

540
00:24:13,495 --> 00:24:16,628
about where he was around
the time of Laurie's murder.

541
00:24:16,628 --> 00:24:20,110
They're asking him questions
that would help tie him

542
00:24:20,110 --> 00:24:24,549
or connect him to the area that
the building was located in.

543
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:25,942
They asked if he knew

544
00:24:25,942 --> 00:24:28,684
where this building
was, where he lived,

545
00:24:28,684 --> 00:24:31,469
basically to try to put
him in a geographical area,

546
00:24:31,469 --> 00:24:33,515
figure out where he frequented.

547
00:24:33,515 --> 00:24:34,994
[Narrator] Darryl
tells investigators

548
00:24:34,994 --> 00:24:38,432
he wasn't near the office
building where Laurie was killed

549
00:24:38,432 --> 00:24:40,478
and has no ties to the area.

550
00:24:40,478 --> 00:24:41,653
Darryl Kemp was asked

551
00:24:41,653 --> 00:24:43,307
if he was familiar
with Laurie Stout.

552
00:24:43,307 --> 00:24:44,569
He said he wasn't.

553
00:24:44,569 --> 00:24:45,831
Things that we're trying
to pay attention to is

554
00:24:45,831 --> 00:24:47,659
whether his statements
are truthful.

555
00:24:47,659 --> 00:24:50,357
Does his body language
support his statement?

556
00:24:50,357 --> 00:24:52,359
Does it appear he's
being deceptive,

557
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,231
and is he forthcoming
with his answers?

558
00:24:54,231 --> 00:24:57,364
[Narrator] Not trusting the
word of a convicted killer,

559
00:24:57,364 --> 00:24:59,236
detectives shift gears.

560
00:25:00,106 --> 00:25:01,630
He was asked if he
would take a polygraph.

561
00:25:01,630 --> 00:25:04,589
He hesitated with that because
he didn't trust polygraphs.

562
00:25:04,589 --> 00:25:07,200
He is not cooperative at all.

563
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,421
[Narrator] It's the same
story when investigators ask him

564
00:25:10,421 --> 00:25:12,728
for his fingerprints
and a blood sample.

565
00:25:12,728 --> 00:25:14,817
Again, he was
very uncooperative.

566
00:25:14,817 --> 00:25:16,470
Based on all the
evidence collected,

567
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:20,387
we had enough information
to obtain a warrant.

568
00:25:20,387 --> 00:25:22,302
[Narrator] Police
collect Darryl's samples

569
00:25:22,302 --> 00:25:24,696
and eagerly wait
for the results.

570
00:25:26,132 --> 00:25:29,092
When the results of the
analysis were returned,

571
00:25:29,092 --> 00:25:30,223
it was determined that

572
00:25:30,223 --> 00:25:32,486
he was not the suspect
in this murder.

573
00:25:32,486 --> 00:25:34,358
[suspenseful music]

574
00:25:34,358 --> 00:25:35,707
It's very difficult
and frustrating,

575
00:25:35,707 --> 00:25:37,796
because we're at a
stalling point again.

576
00:25:37,796 --> 00:25:39,406
[Narrator] With
no other leads,

577
00:25:39,406 --> 00:25:42,235
the case once again hits a wall.

578
00:25:42,235 --> 00:25:43,976
As the months turn into years,

579
00:25:43,976 --> 00:25:47,719
Laurie's loved ones struggle
with the lack of closure.

580
00:25:47,719 --> 00:25:49,634
Why are we not
getting any answers?

581
00:25:49,634 --> 00:25:50,983
You know, give us something.

582
00:25:50,983 --> 00:25:56,119
I myself have been
lost without her.

583
00:25:57,511 --> 00:25:59,731
Every time October
1st rolls around,

584
00:25:59,731 --> 00:26:02,081
the first thing I think is,
"Ah, it's Laurie's birthday."

585
00:26:02,081 --> 00:26:04,649
Any time when
September comes around,

586
00:26:04,649 --> 00:26:06,303
when she was taken from us,

587
00:26:08,348 --> 00:26:09,567
it's not good.

588
00:26:09,567 --> 00:26:10,699
[Narrator] The suspicion that

589
00:26:10,699 --> 00:26:12,875
Laurie's husband
Gary was the killer

590
00:26:12,875 --> 00:26:16,748
continues to linger and
causes a deep divide.

591
00:26:16,748 --> 00:26:20,360
My mother's family, even
members of his own family,

592
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,798
believed that my
dad was involved.

593
00:26:22,798 --> 00:26:24,713
We all still
had that suspicion

594
00:26:24,713 --> 00:26:27,063
that Gary had something
to do with it.

595
00:26:27,063 --> 00:26:29,456
[Narrator] Eventually,
Gary takes Daile

596
00:26:29,456 --> 00:26:31,067
and moves out of state.

597
00:26:31,067 --> 00:26:33,896
Gary, he didn't want to have
anything else to do with us.

598
00:26:33,896 --> 00:26:37,160
So it was like, oh my God,
now we can't see Daile.

599
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,552
I lost my sister,

600
00:26:38,552 --> 00:26:40,772
but I also lost that
connection with my niece.

601
00:26:41,860 --> 00:26:45,429
Being so young, she didn't
really remember her mom,

602
00:26:45,429 --> 00:26:48,475
so it was probably
quite hard on Daile.

603
00:26:48,475 --> 00:26:50,086
When I was growing up,

604
00:26:50,086 --> 00:26:52,131
there weren't a whole lot of
conversations about my mother.

605
00:26:52,131 --> 00:26:55,918
It was just the understanding
of she wasn't there anymore.

606
00:26:55,918 --> 00:26:57,659
[Narrator] As
Daile grows older,

607
00:26:57,659 --> 00:26:59,791
she begins to ask questions.

608
00:26:59,791 --> 00:27:02,054
My dad did not like
talking about it.

609
00:27:02,054 --> 00:27:05,492
I did not have a family member
sit me down and explain to me

610
00:27:05,492 --> 00:27:07,494
that this is what
had happened to her.

611
00:27:07,494 --> 00:27:09,148
[somber music]

612
00:27:09,148 --> 00:27:13,500
It wasn't until I got older,
got access to the internet,

613
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:16,155
that's when I learned
that she was attacked,

614
00:27:16,939 --> 00:27:18,418
that she had been strangled,

615
00:27:18,418 --> 00:27:20,856
that she had been raped, and
then she had been murdered.

616
00:27:20,856 --> 00:27:25,164
It was very overwhelming,
finding out about
it in that way.

617
00:27:25,164 --> 00:27:27,863
[Narrator] Laurie's
family continues to push for

618
00:27:27,863 --> 00:27:30,735
her killer to be
brought to justice.

619
00:27:30,735 --> 00:27:31,954
We never gave up hope.

620
00:27:31,954 --> 00:27:36,523
We tried to keep it
fresh and focused on it.

621
00:27:36,523 --> 00:27:38,351
We were constantly checking in.

622
00:27:38,351 --> 00:27:40,745
We had to get this case closed

623
00:27:40,745 --> 00:27:44,706
to help give our
family a little peace.

624
00:27:45,489 --> 00:27:47,404
It just was overwhelming.

625
00:27:48,492 --> 00:27:52,583
[Narrator] The pressure
finally pays off, and in 1992,

626
00:27:52,583 --> 00:27:55,020
nearly 10 years after
Laurie's murder,

627
00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:58,284
a new team of detectives
reopen her case.

628
00:27:58,284 --> 00:28:01,548
Now we have new eyes
looking at everything.

629
00:28:01,548 --> 00:28:03,115
They look at the
crime scene photos.

630
00:28:03,115 --> 00:28:05,857
They read all the
police reports.

631
00:28:05,857 --> 00:28:09,513
They look at the various
people that were interviewed.

632
00:28:09,513 --> 00:28:10,688
Part of that process is

633
00:28:10,688 --> 00:28:12,211
to go back and look
at old evidence.

634
00:28:12,211 --> 00:28:15,649
Are there things now that are
available to law enforcement

635
00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:17,739
that weren't
previously available?

636
00:28:17,739 --> 00:28:19,828
Is there testing
that can be done?

637
00:28:19,828 --> 00:28:23,440
Now, we're in 1992,
so we have DNA testing,

638
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,964
which is much more powerful.

639
00:28:26,617 --> 00:28:27,836
[Narrator] With that in mind,

640
00:28:27,836 --> 00:28:30,839
investigators revisit
their prime suspect,

641
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,232
Laurie's husband Gary Stout.

642
00:28:33,232 --> 00:28:37,889
So, Gary was contacted again
and provided a DNA sample,

643
00:28:37,889 --> 00:28:41,327
which was compared to that
obtained at the crime scene.

644
00:28:41,327 --> 00:28:43,808
[Narrator] Police are hopeful
that they'll finally have

645
00:28:43,808 --> 00:28:46,419
the evidence they need
to make an arrest,

646
00:28:46,419 --> 00:28:47,943
but when the results come back,

647
00:28:47,943 --> 00:28:50,249
they are shocked at
what they reveal.

648
00:28:51,903 --> 00:28:54,427
It was determined that
Gary was not a match.

649
00:28:54,427 --> 00:28:56,299
[foreboding music]

650
00:28:56,299 --> 00:28:59,824
So, officially, he could
be ruled out as a suspect

651
00:28:59,824 --> 00:29:01,565
and remove the cloud of doubt

652
00:29:01,565 --> 00:29:04,611
that had been hanging over his
head for some period of time.

653
00:29:04,611 --> 00:29:06,962
I do believe that
my father felt relief,

654
00:29:06,962 --> 00:29:09,791
but it was very difficult
for him to talk about.

655
00:29:10,835 --> 00:29:13,229
[Narrator] With Gary
cleared, cold case detectives

656
00:29:13,229 --> 00:29:16,580
go back over the old
files, line by line.

657
00:29:16,580 --> 00:29:18,190
With any review of a case,

658
00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:21,628
you look at who's
been interviewed,
who's been eliminated,

659
00:29:21,628 --> 00:29:24,109
and what was discovered is that

660
00:29:24,109 --> 00:29:26,895
one of the reports
that was provided

661
00:29:26,895 --> 00:29:30,637
as far as the blood typing
seemed to have an error.

662
00:29:30,637 --> 00:29:33,640
The documentation
that was used

663
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,905
to finalize the forensic report

664
00:29:36,905 --> 00:29:40,212
that excluded a suspect

665
00:29:40,212 --> 00:29:41,735
actually showed that

666
00:29:41,735 --> 00:29:45,652
there was a clerical
error in that lab report,

667
00:29:45,652 --> 00:29:48,307
and that particular suspect

668
00:29:48,307 --> 00:29:52,964
should have been included
as a suspect, not excluded.

669
00:29:52,964 --> 00:29:56,881
This is a big turning
point in the investigation.

670
00:29:56,881 --> 00:30:00,102
[foreboding music]

671
00:30:04,062 --> 00:30:05,934
wife and mother Laurie Stoutafter

672
00:30:05,934 --> 00:30:09,372
was savagely murdered, cold
case detectives have unearthed

673
00:30:09,372 --> 00:30:12,766
a stunning error in the
results of a blood test

674
00:30:12,766 --> 00:30:14,986
that means a previously
cleared suspect

675
00:30:14,986 --> 00:30:17,423
might not be innocent after all.

676
00:30:17,423 --> 00:30:18,947
What was discovered is that

677
00:30:18,947 --> 00:30:21,514
the report said the subject
could be eliminated,

678
00:30:21,514 --> 00:30:23,908
but there was a clerical
error in the document

679
00:30:23,908 --> 00:30:27,042
and it should have read that
he could not be eliminated.

680
00:30:27,956 --> 00:30:31,916
This suspect is
Robert Van Wisse,

681
00:30:31,916 --> 00:30:35,050
the 18-year-old University
of Texas student.

682
00:30:35,050 --> 00:30:38,227
He was in the building
the night Laurie was killed,

683
00:30:38,227 --> 00:30:42,535
registering for a class,
and he's the same person

684
00:30:42,535 --> 00:30:45,930
whose prints were found
inside the bathroom stall

685
00:30:45,930 --> 00:30:49,586
and also on the second-floor
fire escape door.

686
00:30:49,586 --> 00:30:51,066
[Narrator]
Detectives look into

687
00:30:51,066 --> 00:30:54,765
what Robert Van Wisse had
been doing the last 10 years.

688
00:30:54,765 --> 00:30:57,463
Robert Van Wisse had
no criminal history.

689
00:30:57,463 --> 00:31:01,685
Here we have this
18-year-old college student

690
00:31:01,685 --> 00:31:04,688
coming from a well-to-do family,

691
00:31:04,688 --> 00:31:06,081
parents who are professionals.

692
00:31:06,081 --> 00:31:09,780
Seemed to have a very
normal, happy upbringing.

693
00:31:09,780 --> 00:31:11,303
He was cooperative.

694
00:31:11,303 --> 00:31:15,438
So, that all combined with
the report that we received

695
00:31:16,395 --> 00:31:19,703
naturally excluded
him as a suspect.

696
00:31:20,834 --> 00:31:22,097
[Narrator] Could
18-year-old Robert

697
00:31:22,097 --> 00:31:25,491
really have committed
such a brutal crime?

698
00:31:25,491 --> 00:31:26,971
In talking with witnesses,

699
00:31:26,971 --> 00:31:30,105
Robert Van Wisse is seen
about 12:15 a.m and leaving,

700
00:31:30,105 --> 00:31:31,802
and at about 12:30,

701
00:31:31,802 --> 00:31:34,979
they see Laurie in the
building by herself.

702
00:31:34,979 --> 00:31:37,155
[Narrator] Detectives
reexamine the fingerprints

703
00:31:37,155 --> 00:31:40,985
he left at the crime scene,
and notice something troubling.

704
00:31:40,985 --> 00:31:42,813
What they discover is that

705
00:31:42,813 --> 00:31:45,816
his story of
exiting the building

706
00:31:45,816 --> 00:31:48,688
through that second-floor
fire escape door

707
00:31:48,688 --> 00:31:50,342
would naturally
support fingerprints

708
00:31:50,342 --> 00:31:52,910
being left on the
inside of that door

709
00:31:52,910 --> 00:31:55,260
as if you're pushing
it open to leave,

710
00:31:55,260 --> 00:31:59,003
but some prints of his are
found on the door handle

711
00:31:59,003 --> 00:32:00,831
on the exterior of the door,

712
00:32:00,831 --> 00:32:04,008
as if you're opening it
to enter the building.

713
00:32:04,008 --> 00:32:05,836
What this told us is that

714
00:32:05,836 --> 00:32:07,533
he had obviously
left the building,

715
00:32:07,533 --> 00:32:09,666
but he had also come back in.

716
00:32:09,666 --> 00:32:12,582
He would have been able to
re-enter through that same door

717
00:32:12,582 --> 00:32:15,672
if he had propped it
open with something.

718
00:32:15,672 --> 00:32:17,282
[Narrator] The
discoveries mean

719
00:32:17,282 --> 00:32:20,503
investigators need to talk to
Robert, but there's a problem.

720
00:32:20,503 --> 00:32:24,246
We try to locate Robert Van
Wisse, but we're not able to.

721
00:32:24,246 --> 00:32:28,032
We reach out to family members,
who are not cooperative.

722
00:32:28,032 --> 00:32:31,035
They provide an
attorney's contact.

723
00:32:31,035 --> 00:32:33,037
We talk to the attorney,
who states that

724
00:32:33,037 --> 00:32:36,084
Robert Van Wisse is probably
somewhere in South America.

725
00:32:36,084 --> 00:32:37,172
[suspenseful music]

726
00:32:37,172 --> 00:32:38,825
All evidence up to that point

727
00:32:38,825 --> 00:32:41,263
showed he was in
the Austin area,

728
00:32:41,263 --> 00:32:43,874
and then he likely
finds out that

729
00:32:43,874 --> 00:32:46,311
he once again is a suspect,

730
00:32:46,311 --> 00:32:50,576
and now we have DNA testing
capability, so he flees.

731
00:32:51,708 --> 00:32:53,623
[Narrator] Fearing Robert
has left the country,

732
00:32:53,623 --> 00:32:55,538
detectives scramble to find him.

733
00:32:55,538 --> 00:32:58,715
They interview dozens of his
friends and family members,

734
00:32:58,715 --> 00:33:00,847
but no one is
willing to cooperate.

735
00:33:01,979 --> 00:33:04,199
Before they can launch
an all-out search,

736
00:33:04,199 --> 00:33:08,072
detectives still need more
proof that Robert's the killer,

737
00:33:08,072 --> 00:33:11,336
so they come up with a
plan to obtain his DNA.

738
00:33:11,336 --> 00:33:14,383
With Robert Van
Wisse having fled,

739
00:33:14,383 --> 00:33:16,254
we cannot get a sample from him,

740
00:33:16,254 --> 00:33:18,561
but what we are able to do is

741
00:33:18,561 --> 00:33:21,825
get what's called Y-STR
testing accomplished,

742
00:33:21,825 --> 00:33:23,435
and that's familial DNA,

743
00:33:23,435 --> 00:33:25,655
and it's specific
to the Y chromosome

744
00:33:25,655 --> 00:33:28,745
that all brothers and
fathers would share.

745
00:33:28,745 --> 00:33:34,229
So, since Robert Van Wisse has
brothers in the Austin area,

746
00:33:35,143 --> 00:33:36,622
that's something we
can actually test.

747
00:33:37,362 --> 00:33:38,798
In order to obtain the sample,

748
00:33:38,798 --> 00:33:41,932
detectives conducted
surveillance with
family members,

749
00:33:41,932 --> 00:33:43,716
and, at one point, they observe

750
00:33:43,716 --> 00:33:48,765
one of the brothers discarded
trash, and retrieve it.

751
00:33:48,765 --> 00:33:50,245
Trash is not something

752
00:33:50,245 --> 00:33:51,942
you need to get a
search warrant for,

753
00:33:51,942 --> 00:33:54,423
because it's what's
deemed abandoned.

754
00:33:54,423 --> 00:33:56,381
So, detectives
take specific items

755
00:33:56,381 --> 00:33:58,470
that would gather DNA evidence

756
00:33:58,470 --> 00:34:01,691
like razor blades
and toothpicks,

757
00:34:01,691 --> 00:34:04,607
and they conduct Y-STR testing.

758
00:34:04,607 --> 00:34:06,913
[Narrator] When the
DNA tests come back,

759
00:34:06,913 --> 00:34:09,090
the results are conclusive.

760
00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:11,614
And, lo and
behold, it's a match.

761
00:34:11,614 --> 00:34:13,050
[foreboding music]

762
00:34:13,050 --> 00:34:15,313
Finally, we're able to
make a direct connection

763
00:34:15,313 --> 00:34:19,143
with Robert Van Wisse to the
DNA found at the crime scene.

764
00:34:19,143 --> 00:34:23,408
It was surprising to
know that a young male

765
00:34:23,408 --> 00:34:25,454
coming from the
background that he did

766
00:34:25,454 --> 00:34:28,457
had the ability to do
this at such a young age.

767
00:34:28,457 --> 00:34:30,981
There were no
red flags with him,

768
00:34:30,981 --> 00:34:32,983
and so it was very unexpected

769
00:34:32,983 --> 00:34:35,899
to see him as the actual killer.

770
00:34:37,379 --> 00:34:39,076
We finally had a name.

771
00:34:39,076 --> 00:34:41,165
I just totally broke down,

772
00:34:41,165 --> 00:34:42,645
and so you're trying to
wrap your head around,

773
00:34:42,645 --> 00:34:45,474
how can an 18-year-old
do something like this?

774
00:34:45,474 --> 00:34:48,607
It was shocking because I
was 18 myself at the time.

775
00:34:48,607 --> 00:34:51,523
I would have never have
had that cross my mind.

776
00:34:51,523 --> 00:34:54,135
I said, "Okay, where is
he at? Can we get him?"

777
00:34:54,135 --> 00:34:56,267
And then that's
when we learned that

778
00:34:58,617 --> 00:35:00,184
he was gone.

779
00:35:00,184 --> 00:35:01,620
[suspenseful music]

780
00:35:01,620 --> 00:35:03,579
[Narrator] Robert Van
Wisse is charged with murder

781
00:35:03,579 --> 00:35:06,495
and unlawful flight
to avoid prosecution,

782
00:35:06,495 --> 00:35:09,237
and a warrant is
issued for his arrest.

783
00:35:09,237 --> 00:35:11,891
Investigators team
up with the FBI

784
00:35:11,891 --> 00:35:14,894
and launch an
international manhunt.

785
00:35:14,894 --> 00:35:16,200
The Van Wisse family

786
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,202
owned a lot of properties
throughout Mexico.

787
00:35:18,202 --> 00:35:21,074
We conducted telephone
toll analysis.

788
00:35:21,074 --> 00:35:23,251
We looked at financial records.

789
00:35:23,251 --> 00:35:26,384
We monitored travel
of Van Wisse's family.

790
00:35:26,384 --> 00:35:29,213
We did a tremendous amount
of ground surveillance

791
00:35:29,213 --> 00:35:31,824
on locations where we
thought he might be.

792
00:35:31,824 --> 00:35:34,392
There were some tips
that the FBI received,

793
00:35:34,392 --> 00:35:38,309
or sightings of Van Wisse in
Mexico and certain locations,

794
00:35:38,309 --> 00:35:41,225
but we weren't successful
in locating him.

795
00:35:41,225 --> 00:35:43,967
[Narrator] Years pass
with no sign of Robert,

796
00:35:43,967 --> 00:35:46,535
but detectives refuse to quit.

797
00:35:46,535 --> 00:35:48,841
All you want to do
is bring the guy back

798
00:35:48,841 --> 00:35:50,060
so he can face justice

799
00:35:50,060 --> 00:35:51,757
and get some kind of
closure for the victims,

800
00:35:51,757 --> 00:35:55,413
but even the FBI, we
have limited access,
limited resources,

801
00:35:55,413 --> 00:35:57,285
and Mexico is a big country.

802
00:35:57,285 --> 00:35:59,243
There's plenty of
places for him to hide.

803
00:36:00,288 --> 00:36:02,377
It is very frustrating,
because, for me,

804
00:36:02,377 --> 00:36:06,032
I've lived my entire
life waiting for justice,

805
00:36:06,032 --> 00:36:08,905
but also very cognizant
of the fact that

806
00:36:08,905 --> 00:36:10,428
it may never happen.

807
00:36:11,647 --> 00:36:15,085
[Narrator] Then, in 2016,
the hunt for Robert Van Wisse

808
00:36:15,085 --> 00:36:17,261
takes a promising turn.

809
00:36:17,261 --> 00:36:19,089
Van Wisse had been on
the run for 20 years,

810
00:36:19,089 --> 00:36:20,264
so I knew it was
going to have to be

811
00:36:20,264 --> 00:36:22,005
something big for
us to find him,

812
00:36:22,005 --> 00:36:25,922
and so we discussed it and
we said, "Look, let's do it.

813
00:36:25,922 --> 00:36:27,358
Let's go for it."

814
00:36:27,358 --> 00:36:30,361
On December 13th, 2016,

815
00:36:30,361 --> 00:36:32,624
the FBI places Robert Van Wisse

816
00:36:32,624 --> 00:36:34,974
on their Top Ten
Most Wanted list.

817
00:36:34,974 --> 00:36:37,455
This was huge for our case
because it brings awareness,

818
00:36:37,455 --> 00:36:40,284
but also that comes
with a $100,000 reward,

819
00:36:40,284 --> 00:36:45,115
so it was exciting to know
that we're making traction.

820
00:36:45,115 --> 00:36:46,551
Once we announced his addition

821
00:36:46,551 --> 00:36:49,250
to the FBI's Ten
Most Wanted list,

822
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:52,253
we again interviewed
people that knew him

823
00:36:52,253 --> 00:36:54,124
and possibly knew where he was.

824
00:36:54,124 --> 00:36:55,473
Probably the most
important interview

825
00:36:55,473 --> 00:36:57,606
was with Van Wisse's mother.

826
00:36:57,606 --> 00:37:00,565
We said Robert is going to be
arrested. He is coming home.

827
00:37:00,565 --> 00:37:03,046
The safest way is
to turn himself in.

828
00:37:03,046 --> 00:37:07,442
I think the mother realized,
with a $100,000 reward,

829
00:37:07,442 --> 00:37:10,096
his name on the Ten
Most Wanted list,

830
00:37:10,096 --> 00:37:12,447
that it was going to
be insurmountable,

831
00:37:12,447 --> 00:37:14,275
that he was going
to get arrested.

832
00:37:14,275 --> 00:37:15,798
[Narrator] The
pressure pays off

833
00:37:15,798 --> 00:37:19,454
and a phone call comes in
that changes everything.

834
00:37:19,454 --> 00:37:21,238
Robert Van Wisse's attorney

835
00:37:21,238 --> 00:37:22,674
contacted the district
attorney's office

836
00:37:22,674 --> 00:37:26,069
to let them know that he
wants to turn himself in.

837
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:29,072
[foreboding music]

838
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,862
[Narrator] 33 years after
the murder of Laurie Stout,

839
00:37:36,862 --> 00:37:39,474
her elusive killer,
Robert Van Wisse,

840
00:37:39,474 --> 00:37:43,216
is ready to return to
the US to face justice.

841
00:37:43,216 --> 00:37:44,696
Robert Van Wisse's lawyer

842
00:37:44,696 --> 00:37:47,569
contacted the district
attorney's office

843
00:37:47,569 --> 00:37:51,573
and started to inquire
about possible surrender

844
00:37:51,573 --> 00:37:53,357
with a plea bargain agreement.

845
00:37:53,357 --> 00:37:56,186
Typically speaking, when
someone is a fugitive,

846
00:37:56,186 --> 00:37:57,622
we do not negotiate,

847
00:37:57,622 --> 00:38:01,670
but circumstances in this
situation are quite unique.

848
00:38:02,627 --> 00:38:07,153
Mexico will not agree
to extradite to Texas

849
00:38:07,153 --> 00:38:10,505
if the death penalty
is on the table,

850
00:38:10,505 --> 00:38:12,942
so we will not get
him in our hands

851
00:38:12,942 --> 00:38:14,813
if he's arrested in Mexico

852
00:38:14,813 --> 00:38:18,948
unless we agree to not have
death penalty on the table.

853
00:38:19,949 --> 00:38:21,559
[Narrator] Wanting
a swift resolution,

854
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:24,693
the district attorney
negotiates a deal.

855
00:38:24,693 --> 00:38:26,825
Van Wisse would agree
to turn himself in

856
00:38:26,825 --> 00:38:30,133
and they agreed to
30 years in prison.

857
00:38:30,133 --> 00:38:33,528
[Narrator] On
January 26th, 2017,

858
00:38:33,528 --> 00:38:36,705
police head to the Mexican
border to meet Robert.

859
00:38:36,705 --> 00:38:39,055
The plan was for
him to surrender,

860
00:38:39,055 --> 00:38:40,230
but we were holding our breath.

861
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:41,753
We weren't sure it
was going to happen.

862
00:38:41,753 --> 00:38:45,148
We're anxious that this is
finally going to take place,

863
00:38:45,148 --> 00:38:48,586
but until we have Robert Van
Wisse in physical custody,

864
00:38:48,586 --> 00:38:50,283
we can't let our guard down.

865
00:38:50,283 --> 00:38:52,416
The arrangement was
that he would meet us

866
00:38:52,416 --> 00:38:54,636
at the halfway point on
the pedestrian bridge.

867
00:38:54,636 --> 00:38:55,637
There's a line in the middle.

868
00:38:55,637 --> 00:38:57,247
On one side, it says Mexico.

869
00:38:57,247 --> 00:38:59,641
On the other side, it
says United States.

870
00:38:59,641 --> 00:39:03,601
He was to meet us there at one
o'clock. He didn't show up.

871
00:39:03,601 --> 00:39:06,430
[foreboding music]

872
00:39:06,430 --> 00:39:07,953
[Narrator] As the
minutes tick by,

873
00:39:07,953 --> 00:39:11,261
investigators start to
worry they've been duped.

874
00:39:12,784 --> 00:39:15,396
We had assurances from the
attorney that he would show up,

875
00:39:15,396 --> 00:39:16,962
but, at any point
during that time,

876
00:39:16,962 --> 00:39:19,269
he could have turned around
and changed his mind,

877
00:39:19,269 --> 00:39:21,489
and there was nothing
we could have done.

878
00:39:22,315 --> 00:39:24,317
[Narrator] At 1:36 p.m.,

879
00:39:24,317 --> 00:39:26,885
a lone figure
approaches the border.

880
00:39:26,885 --> 00:39:30,976
He walked up very slowly
and stopped at the line.

881
00:39:30,976 --> 00:39:33,457
He introduced himself
as Robert Van Wisse,

882
00:39:33,457 --> 00:39:36,329
and I said to him, "Are you
ready to turn yourself in?"

883
00:39:36,329 --> 00:39:38,506
He took a deep breath.
He closed his eyes.

884
00:39:38,506 --> 00:39:40,464
He said, "Yes." I
said, "Step on across."

885
00:39:40,464 --> 00:39:42,118
He took one step over
and he was arrested.

886
00:39:42,118 --> 00:39:44,337
[dramatic music]

887
00:39:44,337 --> 00:39:46,818
Seeing him walk
across that bridge,

888
00:39:46,818 --> 00:39:49,734
and seeing law enforcement
put handcuffs on him,

889
00:39:49,734 --> 00:39:51,736
it was extremely satisfying.

890
00:39:51,736 --> 00:39:54,739
There had been so much work
from so many different people

891
00:39:54,739 --> 00:40:00,049
over the years from
1983 up until 2017.

892
00:40:00,919 --> 00:40:02,181
Now we have somebody
that's accountable

893
00:40:02,181 --> 00:40:03,705
and be brought to justice.

894
00:40:03,705 --> 00:40:07,360
It was one of the most rewarding
experiences in my career.

895
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,884
[somber music]

896
00:40:08,884 --> 00:40:13,062
I sent a picture to Daile
and let her know we got him,

897
00:40:14,411 --> 00:40:17,849
and I get a text back

898
00:40:17,849 --> 00:40:21,331
that it apparently
was Daile's birthday,

899
00:40:23,855 --> 00:40:25,683
so it was pretty emotional.

900
00:40:25,683 --> 00:40:28,381
She showed me a
photo of Van Wisse

901
00:40:28,381 --> 00:40:30,862
being escorted into custody.

902
00:40:31,994 --> 00:40:34,692
It's kind of hard to believe
that, after all of these years,

903
00:40:34,692 --> 00:40:37,521
that it would be
that day of all days

904
00:40:37,521 --> 00:40:39,088
that he would turn himself in.

905
00:40:40,263 --> 00:40:45,094
It was and it still is surreal
that it finally did happen.

906
00:40:45,964 --> 00:40:47,400
I mean, just
emotions everywhere.

907
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,708
It's finally over.
It's finally over.

908
00:40:51,535 --> 00:40:52,841
Finally over.

909
00:40:55,757 --> 00:40:57,019
[Narrator] The plea deal means

910
00:40:57,019 --> 00:40:59,674
Robert does not have to
speak to investigators,

911
00:40:59,674 --> 00:41:01,023
leaving them to piece together

912
00:41:01,023 --> 00:41:03,895
how they believe
the murder unfolded.

913
00:41:03,895 --> 00:41:06,637
He showed up that night
to register for classes.

914
00:41:06,637 --> 00:41:09,727
He sees Laurie as
she's cleaning.

915
00:41:09,727 --> 00:41:12,469
It's possible that Robert
Van Wisse and Laurie Stout

916
00:41:12,469 --> 00:41:14,427
had an interaction
as he passed her.

917
00:41:14,427 --> 00:41:15,733
Maybe she spoke to him.

918
00:41:15,733 --> 00:41:17,518
He goes to the bathroom,

919
00:41:17,518 --> 00:41:20,912
and develops his plan
on coming back in.

920
00:41:20,912 --> 00:41:24,046
He's opportunistic, and
the opportunity arose,

921
00:41:24,046 --> 00:41:26,396
and he left through
that fire escape door

922
00:41:26,396 --> 00:41:28,659
on the second floor,
propped it open.

923
00:41:28,659 --> 00:41:31,357
And once the other
workers had all left,

924
00:41:31,357 --> 00:41:32,794
I think he came back in.

925
00:41:33,621 --> 00:41:34,752
When he came back in,

926
00:41:34,752 --> 00:41:36,580
he would have passed,
in the parking lot,

927
00:41:36,580 --> 00:41:40,802
the dumpster that had some
leftover electrical wiring

928
00:41:40,802 --> 00:41:45,458
that Gary Stout had used that
day for the hot water heater,

929
00:41:45,458 --> 00:41:48,853
and grabbed it and went upstairs

930
00:41:48,853 --> 00:41:52,074
and then attacked her,
raped her, and killed her.

931
00:41:52,074 --> 00:41:55,251
[tense music]

932
00:41:55,251 --> 00:41:57,732
Laurie was killed in probably

933
00:41:57,732 --> 00:41:59,647
one of the most
personal, violent ways

934
00:41:59,647 --> 00:42:01,126
that someone can be killed.

935
00:42:01,126 --> 00:42:02,301
Robert Van Wisse is

936
00:42:02,301 --> 00:42:06,044
an extremely cold and
calculating person.

937
00:42:06,044 --> 00:42:07,132
[somber music]

938
00:42:07,132 --> 00:42:10,092
[Narrator] On
March 28th, 2017,

939
00:42:10,092 --> 00:42:12,660
Robert pleads guilty
to Laurie's murder

940
00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:15,837
and is sentenced to
30 years in prison.

941
00:42:15,837 --> 00:42:17,795
Laurie's sister,
Beverly, is there

942
00:42:17,795 --> 00:42:20,493
to deliver an emotional
impact statement.

943
00:42:20,493 --> 00:42:22,191
I looked him right in the eye

944
00:42:22,191 --> 00:42:25,455
and told him what he had
taken from our family

945
00:42:25,455 --> 00:42:28,153
and what he had done, and,
you know, I just told him

946
00:42:28,153 --> 00:42:32,505
I hope he rots in hell and gets
to feel some of that terror

947
00:42:32,505 --> 00:42:34,638
that my sister felt that night.

948
00:42:34,638 --> 00:42:37,206
I know in my heart he
is where he needs to be.

949
00:42:38,381 --> 00:42:40,818
I think Laurie's family
felt a sense of relief,

950
00:42:40,818 --> 00:42:43,604
a sense of closure
that maybe now,

951
00:42:43,604 --> 00:42:45,649
at least my hope for
them now with that,

952
00:42:45,649 --> 00:42:48,173
is that they could at
least start to heal.

953
00:42:48,173 --> 00:42:52,177
Him being arrested and
incarcerated does bring closure.

954
00:42:52,177 --> 00:42:54,876
I think that that's what
everybody dreams about

955
00:42:54,876 --> 00:42:56,051
when a crime like this

956
00:42:56,051 --> 00:42:58,401
happens to one of
their family members.

957
00:43:00,403 --> 00:43:01,578
I still see Laurie's face.

958
00:43:01,578 --> 00:43:03,667
[tender music]

959
00:43:03,667 --> 00:43:04,799
Quite often.

960
00:43:04,799 --> 00:43:07,366
She was a hoot.
Laurie was a hoot.

961
00:43:07,366 --> 00:43:08,759
I miss her dearly.

962
00:43:10,021 --> 00:43:12,458
I do believe that my life
would have been very different

963
00:43:12,458 --> 00:43:13,851
if she would have lived,

964
00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:16,941
and I know that she
would have done anything

965
00:43:16,941 --> 00:43:18,943
to make sure that I
had what I needed.

966
00:43:20,118 --> 00:43:24,340
I still think of Laurie
every day. Every single day.

967
00:43:24,340 --> 00:43:25,254
There were

968
00:43:27,735 --> 00:43:31,564
a lot of good times, good
memories with Laurie,

969
00:43:31,564 --> 00:43:35,608
and I just wish we
would have had more.