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[Kenda] May 13th, 2013.
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It's a day that people
that live in this rural area
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will never forget. Ever.
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[dispatcher speaking]
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[man speaking]
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[dispatcher speaking]
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[man speaking]
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[Joe] They have
a spree killer
on their hands.
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Wherever he happens to be
is where
he might strike again.
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And we don't know
where that is.
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[Nelson] Nobody knows
what's going on.
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Why is he doing this?
Who is he targeting?
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[man speaking]
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The body count is going
to continue to rise.
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Where is this
son of a [bleep]?
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[man speaking]
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Some crimes occur,
make the evening news...
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We now have the identity
of all five victims.
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...And then don't survive
the 24-hour news cycle.
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And there are some crimes
that people are never able
to forget.
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And this is one of them.
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I spent my career
closing murder cases.
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But I'm not the only one
who answered the call.
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It takes a rare breed
to solve the unsolvable,
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to catch a ruthless killer.
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to find justice for the dead.
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That's what it takes
to be an American detective.
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[Kenda] It's around 7:00 a.m.
and Marsha Longfellow
is worried.
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She's been trying to call
her friend Elliezear Graham
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for quite some time
and hasn't been able
to reach him
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and that, she thinks,
is very unusual.
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So she goes to the gas station
where he works.
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But he's not there.
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And then she notices
fluttering newspapers
in the wind
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a short distance
away from the station.
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She walks closer
to investigate.
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And sees something
on the ground.
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What is that?
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[screams]
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[Kenda] What she finds
is Elliezear Graham.
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Half-naked and dead.
And so it begins.
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I'm David A. Frankel.
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I'm a retired
Washoe County
Sheriff's Office detective
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in Reno, Nevada.
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When I got hired,
after a couple of years,
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I rotated
into an undercover role
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where you follow
the worst criminals around
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and you really gotta eye
into how the criminals think,
what they're doing.
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Criminals always
throw curve balls,
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so you just gotta keep
an open mind
and think out of the box.
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On that day,
we got notified of a body
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out of Interstate 80
and there's not much
out there.
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I remember seeing,
like, newspapers all over
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and then the body
was kind of in an area
just off the road
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and seemed to be covered
by a blanket.
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[Kenda] The briefing deputies
tell Frankel that the victim
is 51 years old.
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His name is Elliezear Graham
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and he works
at that particular gas station
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a very short distance away.
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[Frankel] The body was found
at the I-80 Mustang exit.
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It's very familiar
to people because
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the Mustang Ranch
is at that exit.
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[Nelson] The Mustang Ranch
is a brothel
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about 15 miles
outside of Reno.
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It has been there
for a long time.
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[Frankel] The Mustang Ranch,
it's a popular place.
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You're wondering
if it's related to that.
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[Kenda] Prostitution
encourages the arrival
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of an unsavory element
in society.
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It waves a red flag.
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It says, come here.
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And do as you wish.
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Come on down.
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You're the next contestant.
And the customer
is always right.
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The deputy coroner and Frankel
together respond
to look at the body.
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[Frankel] His pants
are pulled down
and his shirt's pulled up.
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He appears to have
some sort of injury.
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[Kenda] The deputy coroner
does a closer examination
of the head
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and he discovers
three small caliber
gunshot wounds.
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The general position
and the indication of the body
is he was killed recently,
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overnight, less than 12 hours.
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There's no evidence
of a struggle,
no defensive wounds.
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He has money in his wallet.
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So why is he undressed?
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Does the shooter
wanna humiliate him
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so when he's discovered
he's naked?
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It could be anything.
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[Frankel] Mr. Graham's body
was found
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hundred yards or so
from a gas station
that he also worked at.
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We did talk to people
at the gas station.
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[Kenda] The employees say
the last time they Elliezear
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was last night
when they closed and they
all left for the evening.
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And there's certainly nothing
out of the ordinary
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in this gas station
this morning.
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There's no robbery.
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They say he has a truck.
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So where is it?
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They don't know.
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It's always important
to search the surrounding area
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from a crime scene
to determine
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if other evidence
can be discovered.
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And as those investigators
fan out to search the area,
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Detective Franco goes to speak
with the relatives
of the victim.
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So I was at work
and then they told me
that my brother was murdered.
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I just didn't believe
it was real.
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Because I had just talked
to him.
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I just got
my Mother's Day gift.
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You know, how is it possible?
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But...
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that's it.
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[sighs]
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It was right in this stretch
where he was killed.
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And he was found here.
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Up there.
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When I came, there was still
blood markings over there.
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By the stop sign.
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This is my brother, Ellie.
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You can't see it
in this picture,
but Ellie had a crooked smile.
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You know?
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It looked like a Popeye grin.
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When I was growing up,
there was 15 children.
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My dad was a pig farmer.
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And I think dad and Ellie
were like mud on a pig.
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They were inseparable.
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The two of them loved
the hogs.
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He had multiple jobs.
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The gas station, the mission,
the newspapers.
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He worked
for the mattress company.
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I don't even know
when he slept.
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But he kept it all up.
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He'd always help somebody.
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When somebody
needed something,
oh, go to Ellie.
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He can help you.
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Who do you rely on
when your reliable rock
is no longer here?
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When they told me
that Ellie was murdered,
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I thought Frank killed him.
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[Frankel] The sister believed
that Mr. Graham's brother,
Frank,
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may have killed her brother.
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They had an ongoing dispute
that was pretty toxic.
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[Kenda] Detective Frankel
goes to see relatives
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for the very purpose
of trying to develop
a suspect.
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And this family handed him
a suspect on a silver platter.
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[Kenda] At 7:30 a.m.,
the victim, Elliezear Graham,
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was discovered dead
near the gas station
where he worked.
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And now investigators
are looking
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into his own brother
as possibly the killer.
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[Trina] When they were kids,
Frank and Ellie
were very close.
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They were like
two peas in a pod.
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[Kenda] She said
they will never talk about it,
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but something really bad
happened between them,
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and neither one forgives
the other.
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Tension between
Frank and Ellie grew.
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For 20 years,
they had their rivalry.
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[Frankel] In the prior
few weeks,
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there had been an incident
where Frank may have tried
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to run his brother over
with a car.
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[Kenda] She said Elliezear
was visiting his parents
at the family home,
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and her brother decided
to come by as well.
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And when that happens,
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there's always going
to be trouble.
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Frank allegedly announces
he's going to kill his brother
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by running him over
and attempts to do the same.
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[tires screech]
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When your blood runs hot,
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whatever is convenient
becomes a weapon.
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[Trina] I just remember Ellie
just saying, you know,
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my leg's messed up.
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I'm like, are you okay? Yep.
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And then the police
were called.
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[Kenda] But Elliezear
wouldn't pursue anything.
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So the sheriff's department
drops the charge.
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[Frankel] Immediately
you're thinking, we might have
a really good lead.
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So you definitely
have to go check that out.
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[Kenda] There's nothing
more dangerous than a feud
that goes on for 20 years
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and then a recent event
where it escalates.
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It gets more hateful
by the minute.
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They find Frank,
bring him into the office
for interrogation.
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He is hostile.
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He is angry.
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He finds it to be ludicrous
that they think
he would kill his brother.
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And they say, well, why not?
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You tried to two weeks ago.
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Finally, he says, look,
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I just got into town.
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I've been driving a truck
for weeks.
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He's an over-the-road trucker.
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They check
with his employment,
and that's true.
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[Frankel] We were able
to verify that
Mr. Graham's brother, Frank,
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was not involved
in his murder.
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He's just a brother
who doesn't like
his dead brother.
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But that's all he is.
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So, it's back to square one.
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You just have to reassess
any other information
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you can get
and keep tracking down people
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with connections
to the victim.
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[Kenda] Now it's nine o'clock
in the morning,
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and Frank will hear us back
from the officers
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searching the crime scene area
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where they discover
a pickup truck
in a ditch along I-80.
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You certainly
have to go look at it
because it's in the vicinity
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of where the body's found
and see
if there's any connection.
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[Kenda] They search the truck,
assuming it belongs
to Mr. Graham,
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and they don't find
anything of any interest.
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So they run the plates,
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and they discover it belongs
to someone else entirely.
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[Frankel] It came back
to people with the last name
of Pape,
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and they lived
in Fernley, Nevada,
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which was
in the next county over...
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it's what we call
a Cow County,
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meaning it's a lot
of farmland.
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It was
a pretty peaceful little town.
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[Kenda] Robert Pape
is 84 years old,
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and he lives
with his wife, Dorothy.
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And his truck is abandoned
within a quarter mile
of the murder scene.
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Now, why is that?
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Did they see anything,
or are they involved?
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You have to keep an open mind
of it could be
any of the above.
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[Kenda] He may be
84 years old,
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but all it takes is six pounds
of pressure
to pull the trigger.
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[Frankel] First thing we do
is call the police department
in that jurisdiction
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and ask them, hey,
can you make contact
with the Papes
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and ask them
if they know anything
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about their vehicle being
out here at the Mustang exit.
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[Kenda] And the officer
that answers the phone says,
"Boy, that's amazing."
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We found his house on fire
in Fernley this morning.
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That was pretty alarming,
like, what's going on?
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[Kenda] A 911 call came in
at 5.30 this morning,
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when the fire department
responded,
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they discover a pickup truck
in the garage was on fire.
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The fire had also spread
to the house.
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The firemen went in
to clear the house,
but found no one home.
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Robert and Dorothy Pape
are not in this house.
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[Frankel] I felt that
it wasn't
this crazy coincidence.
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A light bulb went off.
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These might be
linked together.
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What is going on here?
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Something is.
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[Frankel] So we responded
out to Lyon County
in the Fernley area
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where the other
crime scene was
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to see if we could help
with anything
that they needed.
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My name is Marty Dues.
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I was the detective
for the Lyon County
Sheriff's Office.
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When the Washoe County
Sheriff's Office calls us,
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we're now looking
at possibly sitting on a piece
of evidence for their case.
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Everybody was kind of getting
extremely confused.
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The pieces of the puzzle
were fitting together oddly.
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[Frankel] Things are going
through your head, like,
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was Mr. Graham involved
in something
at the Pape's house?
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Did he steal their truck?
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We know
that the fire department
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responded to a truck on fire
in the garage.
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They assume it is a truck
belonging to the resident,
Mr. Robert Pape.
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However,
at 7.30 in the morning,
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Robert Pape's truck
is 20 miles away.
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So then the question becomes,
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if it's not the Pape truck,
then whose truck is it?
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[Frankel] When the police
in Lyon County
ran their records check,
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that truck came back
to our victim, Mr. Graham.
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It's like, what the heck
is going on here?
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This just gets more confusing
by the moment.
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[Frankel] There must be
some kind of connection.
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And also, where are the Papes?
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Are they in the house?
The fire department says no.
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[Dues] The fire department
goes in, puts out the fire,
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and they make a sweep
of the house.
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So we were basically taking it
at their word.
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And it was myself
and the fire marshal
who were talking.
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And we're both kind of, like,
are we sure
we checked the house good?
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[Kenda] Fire departments
are good at putting out fires.
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They're not very good
at searching places.
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You train detectives
to be thorough and detailed
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and overlook nothing.
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So we did
a greater walkthrough
of the house.
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[Kenda] With a structure fire,
the entire house
is covered in soot.
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It's understandable
why people overlook things,
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because it's a mess.
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Filthy mess.
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[Dues] When we did go
into the master bedroom,
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the bed had been stripped.
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There was a weird substance
on the floor,
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just like squiggles
on the carpet.
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It looked like shampoo.
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It was really weird.
It kind of threw us off.
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When we got
to the walk-in closet,
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something was just--
It was just--
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They just call it JDLR.
It just doesn't look right.
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Most of their clothes
were hung up, but then
there's these two huge piles
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of clothing on the ground.
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Like somebody just emptied out
a dresser and just threw it
on the floor.
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Then we started
just peeling back
some of the clothes.
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And then all of a sudden,
it was just like,
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I think we got a problem.
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[Kenda] You find
what you've been looking for.
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Two dead people.
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[Kenda] Detective Dave Frankel
and Detective Dues
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of the Lyon County
Sheriff's Department
find two dead bodies.
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An elderly man
and an elderly woman.
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They confirm the identity
of these two people,
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and they are in fact
Robert and Dorothy Pape.
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[Frankel] We have
three bodies.
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The Papes are dead.
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Mr. Graham is dead.
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What is going on?
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[Dues] In Lyon County,
all deputy coroners
are in the sheriff's office.
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So we were like, okay,
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we need
to start switching over
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to coroner mode
and crime scene mode.
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[Frankel] Mrs. Pape
had been shot in the head,
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and Mr. Pape had been shot
in the head and torso.
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Small caliber bullets,
just like Elliezear Graham.
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Now we know this is connected,
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and the same shooter
is involved
in all of this mess.
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There is some evidence
of decomposition,
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which says this didn't happen
this morning,
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this happened a few days ago.
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So they are first.
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Mr. Graham
is victim number two.
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What is the purpose
behind that?
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Detectives continue
their search,
and they find two locations.
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The obvious spots
where these people
were killed.
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[Dues] More than likely,
Dorothy's laying in bed,
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and Robert Pape's laying flat
on his back,
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um, on the floor.
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So somebody moved
those bodies post-mortem.
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Now, why did they do that?
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[Frankel] The Pape's house
appeared to be like
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a ransacked residence.
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Jewelry seemed to be gone.
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Other things that would
lead them to believe
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this might have been
a burglary gone bad.
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[Kenda] To have
this kind of violence
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associated with theft
and burglary is very rare.
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[Dues] We did
a greater walkthrough
of the house.
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Now I start seeing indications
that are throwing me off.
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There's a full cookie sheet
of freshly cooked bacon.
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It's just sitting
on the counter.
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They find half-eaten food.
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You have a guy who kills
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and then decides to live there
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with his victims
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because they're decomposing
two or three days' worth.
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He's eating a pizza
with dead people.
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Extremely creepy. Extremely.
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[Kenda] And while they're
working this scene,
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these relatives of Dorothy
and Robert Pape arrive.
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And they inform them
of their deaths.
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[Terry] I go
screaming up the driveway
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in my car,
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and I jump out,
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and this guy in a suit
comes running up to me.
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I asked him,
"You're a fire detective
or something?"
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00:20:52,367 --> 00:20:55,567
And he goes, "No,
I'm a homicide detective."
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He puts his hands
on my shoulder,
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00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,467
like this,
and he's holding me,
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00:21:00,467 --> 00:21:02,266
and he goes,
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"We believe
that they've been murdered."
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00:21:04,834 --> 00:21:07,467
And I'm like, "What?
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What do you mean
they've been murdered?"
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They ask
who they might have known
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00:21:14,667 --> 00:21:15,934
that would have done this.
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[Frankel] They'd said a lot
of people know the Papes,
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00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,567
and nobody had a bad word
to say about 'em.
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Murder never
ever crossed my mind,
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because everybody
in that town loved 'em.
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00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:31,767
This is Bob and Dottie's
50th wedding anniversary.
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They celebrated
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00:21:33,567 --> 00:21:35,166
just the two of 'em
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00:21:35,166 --> 00:21:37,667
because in their minds,
that's all there was.
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00:21:38,567 --> 00:21:40,667
You never saw one
without the other.
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00:21:41,967 --> 00:21:44,400
Bob and Dottie were
married 63 years.
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00:21:46,867 --> 00:21:50,100
Bob was in the U.S. Army
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00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:53,066
and he was in Korea
for two years,
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and he had a purple heart.
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00:21:55,734 --> 00:22:01,834
And then Bob's career was
in the Drywall Tapers Union.
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00:22:03,967 --> 00:22:06,000
Dottie was a stay-at-home mom.
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00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,767
She had like five miscarriages
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00:22:09,266 --> 00:22:10,300
trying to have children.
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00:22:10,300 --> 00:22:12,100
And so Bob and Dottie...
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pretty much gave up
on ever having any children.
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00:22:16,567 --> 00:22:19,500
And then she got pregnant
with my husband.
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We were, the four of us,
a very close family.
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[Frankel] With the Papes being
deceased in Lyon County,
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and Mr. Graham being deceased
in our county,
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and the coincidences
of their vehicles being
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00:22:35,867 --> 00:22:37,767
at opposite scenes,
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00:22:37,767 --> 00:22:39,000
obviously we're thinking
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00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,300
there's some kind
of connection.
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00:22:42,767 --> 00:22:44,166
[Kenda] They ask,
"Did your mother
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00:22:44,166 --> 00:22:46,867
or your father know a man
named Elliezear Graham
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00:22:46,867 --> 00:22:50,467
who worked in a gas station
20 miles away on I-80?"
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00:22:50,467 --> 00:22:52,600
And I went, "Absolutely not."
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00:22:53,667 --> 00:22:56,767
So it certainly gives one
the impression so far
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00:22:56,767 --> 00:23:00,467
that these victims were
connected at random.
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00:23:00,467 --> 00:23:01,700
[Frankel] It puts a lot
of pressure on you
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00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:05,000
because obviously
your body count's
going up quickly.
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00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,066
Is somebody going
on a killing spree?
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Do we have a serial murderer?
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00:23:08,967 --> 00:23:11,266
Are we going to find
more bodies?
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00:23:11,266 --> 00:23:13,166
[Joe]
Your assumption is "Great.
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00:23:13,166 --> 00:23:15,400
That this person isn't
through killing.
401
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,500
He likes it.
402
00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:18,767
And wherever he happens to be
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00:23:18,767 --> 00:23:20,400
is where he might
strike again.
404
00:23:21,166 --> 00:23:22,734
And we don't know
where that is."
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00:23:23,767 --> 00:23:26,000
Now it's 11:00 a.m.
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00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,600
Both agencies have been
placed on high alert.
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00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,467
The Lyon County
Sheriff's Department gets
a phone call
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00:23:31,467 --> 00:23:33,967
to check the welfare
on Angie Duff.
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00:23:33,967 --> 00:23:36,567
This is a neighbor
of the Papes.
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00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:40,500
Detective Dues can
see that house
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00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:41,767
from where he's standing.
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00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:45,266
[Dues] They said the female
that owned the house
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would volunteer
at the senior center,
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00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:48,667
and she was a no-call,
no-show that morning.
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00:23:50,266 --> 00:23:52,100
We sent two street deputies.
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00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,867
Well, they get there
and there's no answer.
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00:24:03,967 --> 00:24:04,900
One of them went around back.
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00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,166
And the back glass had
been shattered.
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00:24:17,166 --> 00:24:18,266
And there's glass everywhere.
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00:24:26,367 --> 00:24:28,600
[Kenda] He's looking
through that window
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00:24:29,300 --> 00:24:31,100
and sees
the absolute worst thing
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00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:32,700
he could see.
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00:24:35,166 --> 00:24:37,100
The fear was
he would strike again.
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00:24:39,967 --> 00:24:41,100
And he has.
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00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:53,567
[Kenda] It's
a little after 11:00 a.m.
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00:24:53,567 --> 00:24:55,200
on the same day,
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00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,100
and they discover
two more dead bodies.
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00:25:00,467 --> 00:25:02,467
A man and a woman.
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00:25:02,467 --> 00:25:04,867
[Frankel] All of a sudden,
that's five.
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00:25:04,867 --> 00:25:06,166
Our body count's going up.
431
00:25:06,166 --> 00:25:07,467
There's no longer any doubt.
432
00:25:07,467 --> 00:25:08,667
This is one person.
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00:25:08,667 --> 00:25:10,166
They're on a killing spree.
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00:25:10,166 --> 00:25:12,066
Anyone they encounter,
they're gonna kill.
435
00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:15,500
That's when the pressure
ratchets up pretty high.
436
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,567
[indistinct radio chatter]
437
00:25:18,567 --> 00:25:21,867
When they gain entry
to the home of Angie Duff...
438
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,767
[Kenda] ...they examine
the house.
439
00:25:24,767 --> 00:25:26,100
[Dues] It's
a chaotic crime scene.
440
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:28,166
Actually, it was more
like a combat zone.
441
00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:30,500
She was fighting for her life.
442
00:25:31,567 --> 00:25:32,667
There's blood everywhere.
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00:25:32,667 --> 00:25:34,100
[Dues] It's all over
the carpets.
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00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:35,767
[Dues] It's on the floors.
It's on the walls.
445
00:25:36,567 --> 00:25:37,467
I can honestly say
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00:25:37,467 --> 00:25:41,467
it's
the most bloody non-suicide
447
00:25:41,467 --> 00:25:42,667
I've ever seen.
448
00:25:44,767 --> 00:25:47,266
[Kenda] The victims here are
identified as Angie Duff
449
00:25:48,467 --> 00:25:51,700
and her companion,
Lester Leiber.
450
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:55,367
Both have been shot to death
with small caliber bullets.
451
00:25:55,367 --> 00:25:58,767
[Dues] Lester also had
a very evident knife cut
452
00:25:59,166 --> 00:26:00,800
into his chest.
453
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,467
Now we have
two weapons involved,
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00:26:02,467 --> 00:26:04,567
perpetrated
by the same person.
455
00:26:04,567 --> 00:26:07,500
Maybe we're now
really enjoying the violence?
456
00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:08,467
Hard to say.
457
00:26:09,166 --> 00:26:10,467
But it's an escalation.
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00:26:11,567 --> 00:26:13,066
[Dues] So now
what's the motive?
459
00:26:13,066 --> 00:26:14,133
Nothing is taken.
460
00:26:14,133 --> 00:26:16,667
Nothing's rattled through.
The cars are still here.
461
00:26:16,667 --> 00:26:20,166
And I have had a serious fight
in this house
462
00:26:20,166 --> 00:26:23,500
with firearms
and a bladed weapon.
463
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:24,600
It's like it's calculated,
464
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,467
but it's random
at the same time.
465
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:30,567
[Kenda] So they're looking
at these bodies,
466
00:26:30,567 --> 00:26:32,367
and then they realize
467
00:26:33,166 --> 00:26:35,200
the blood is very fresh.
468
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,000
This just happened.
469
00:26:38,867 --> 00:26:40,467
[Dues] If they got far,
they're on foot,
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00:26:41,767 --> 00:26:43,333
right in the general area.
471
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,800
Where is this
son of a [bleep]?
472
00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:49,667
He's here somewhere.
473
00:26:49,667 --> 00:26:52,266
[indistinct radio chatter]
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00:26:52,266 --> 00:26:54,367
[Frankel] So now we have
to lock down that neighborhood
475
00:26:54,367 --> 00:26:56,900
and keep track
of who's going in and out
476
00:26:56,900 --> 00:26:59,600
because the killer might be
right next to us
477
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,900
and us not even knowing.
478
00:27:03,166 --> 00:27:04,367
[indistinct radio chatter]
479
00:27:08,467 --> 00:27:09,800
[Dues] We brought in
the SWAT team
480
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,600
and then they searched...
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00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,667
as far as they could
in every direction.
482
00:27:15,567 --> 00:27:17,567
We have other deputies
doing house-to-house,
483
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,066
knocking on doors.
484
00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:22,100
[Frankel] It's
quite a chaotic scene
485
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:24,900
in a way of
a lot of moving parts.
486
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,467
[Kenda] This is
absolutely every officer
487
00:27:29,467 --> 00:27:30,667
with a badge and a gun
488
00:27:30,667 --> 00:27:32,400
that they can get
their hands on.
489
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,300
We already have
five people killed.
490
00:27:34,300 --> 00:27:37,300
We could have 20 dead
before this is over.
491
00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:38,500
We're going to make it stop.
492
00:27:39,467 --> 00:27:42,467
And the way to make it stop is
to find him.
493
00:27:42,467 --> 00:27:45,166
[Frankel] In a small town,
word gets around very quickly.
494
00:27:45,166 --> 00:27:47,500
So there was a lot
of news media around.
495
00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:50,567
The people
of Fernley are terrified.
496
00:27:50,567 --> 00:27:52,900
You know your neighborhoods
better than we do.
497
00:27:53,667 --> 00:27:55,567
Be our eyes and ears. Call us.
498
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:58,500
[Nelson] Nobody knows
what's going on.
499
00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:00,066
People were wondering,
500
00:28:00,066 --> 00:28:01,500
"Is he going
from house to house?
501
00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:03,467
Why is he doing this?
Who is he targeting?"
502
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,667
[Kenda] A lion
that is on the hunt,
503
00:28:07,667 --> 00:28:09,066
and they are the prey.
504
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,533
That's pressure.
505
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,767
An hour passes.
506
00:28:15,767 --> 00:28:17,900
It is the longest hour
in history
507
00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:19,266
for that neighborhood.
508
00:28:19,266 --> 00:28:21,467
The urgency is incredible.
509
00:28:21,467 --> 00:28:23,767
They feel it in their chest,
510
00:28:23,767 --> 00:28:26,567
their hearts' in hammer mode
at the moment.
511
00:28:26,567 --> 00:28:27,600
[Frankel] And all of a sudden,
512
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,066
we received another call
513
00:28:29,066 --> 00:28:31,467
of a possible burglary.
514
00:28:31,467 --> 00:28:33,400
[Kenda] They rush over
a few houses down,
515
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,700
and they talk
to the homeowner.
516
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:36,100
He said, "I hear somebody
517
00:28:36,667 --> 00:28:37,867
crawling around
518
00:28:37,867 --> 00:28:40,033
in a crawl space
under my house."
519
00:28:42,467 --> 00:28:45,567
He is probably able
to see them
520
00:28:45,567 --> 00:28:47,100
from under that house,
521
00:28:47,667 --> 00:28:48,767
and he has a gun.
522
00:28:48,767 --> 00:28:50,900
That's a very awkward feeling.
523
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:52,800
You begin to feel very naked,
524
00:28:53,266 --> 00:28:54,367
very naked indeed.
525
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:02,600
The SWAT team was called
so they could do the search.
526
00:29:14,867 --> 00:29:16,700
[Kenda] So SWAT dives
under that house...
527
00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:21,333
and they find nothing.
528
00:29:23,767 --> 00:29:26,567
[Frankel] But they did
locate a phone
529
00:29:26,567 --> 00:29:29,066
and a large amount of cash.
530
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,166
[Kenda] Maybe he was here,
but he's not here now.
531
00:29:33,767 --> 00:29:36,266
So where did he go?
532
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:42,567
When you know
that your shooter is nearby,
533
00:29:42,567 --> 00:29:44,667
your head is on a swivel,
534
00:29:44,667 --> 00:29:46,200
your gun is in your hand,
535
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:48,667
the safety is off,
536
00:29:48,667 --> 00:29:51,000
you're prepared
to defend yourself.
537
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,300
And you better be.
538
00:29:53,266 --> 00:29:55,000
Because he's prepared
to kill you.
539
00:30:08,867 --> 00:30:10,567
So they're looking around,
540
00:30:10,567 --> 00:30:13,200
and all of a sudden,
they hear somebody yell,
541
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,200
-"There he is."
-[indistinct shouting]
542
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,800
[Dues] And all of a sudden,
he comes like...
543
00:30:17,667 --> 00:30:19,867
through the garage, and...
544
00:30:19,867 --> 00:30:20,867
[indistinct shouting]
545
00:30:20,867 --> 00:30:22,567
[Dues] ...he's got a pair
of jean shorts on.
546
00:30:22,567 --> 00:30:24,300
He's covered in blood.
547
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:26,500
The SWAT team comes
around the corner, sees him,
548
00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:29,100
and then just
[mimics swarming]
swarmed in on him,
549
00:30:30,767 --> 00:30:33,367
puts him at gunpoint,
orders him onto the ground,
550
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,367
and got him in cuffs.
551
00:30:37,367 --> 00:30:39,500
[Kenda] You assume
he has a gun on his person.
552
00:30:44,367 --> 00:30:46,100
But they search him,
and there's no gun.
553
00:30:50,166 --> 00:30:51,500
[Dues] He's holding
both key fobs
554
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:53,400
for both the cars
at Angie Duff's house.
555
00:30:55,467 --> 00:30:58,900
[Kenda] He identifies himself
as Jeremiah Bean.
556
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,100
Okay, Jeremiah. It's time
to talk to this boy
557
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,467
and find out
what his maladjustment is.
558
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:21,467
[tense music playing]
559
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:27,467
[Kenda] It's euphoric
560
00:31:27,467 --> 00:31:29,467
when you finally find
the animal
561
00:31:30,066 --> 00:31:32,300
and you lock him up.
562
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:35,667
And he suddenly doesn't look
like he's 12 feet tall.
563
00:31:35,667 --> 00:31:37,266
He just looks like what he is,
564
00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:38,767
an idiot.
565
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:45,000
[Frankel] Once you get
this person in custody,
566
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,467
it's almost a relief.
567
00:31:46,467 --> 00:31:49,266
And now it's piecing together
568
00:31:49,266 --> 00:31:50,800
how this all happened.
569
00:32:04,567 --> 00:32:06,066
[Dues] He says
he wants to talk.
570
00:32:06,867 --> 00:32:08,166
Like, "I want
to tell my story."
571
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,266
[Kenda] Mr. Bean decides
he's gonna do
572
00:32:29,266 --> 00:32:31,200
an absolutely pathetic
573
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,600
third-grade-level
impersonation
574
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,700
of a schizophrenic.
575
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:35,900
He's acting
576
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,967
as if he's speaking to voices
coming out of his own head.
577
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:42,467
What he's getting is an F
from his acting instructor
578
00:32:42,467 --> 00:32:43,900
because it's just pathetic.
579
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:59,166
They see through
his smoke screen
580
00:32:59,166 --> 00:33:00,867
in a microsecond.
581
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,000
[Kenda] And eventually,
Jeremiah realizes
582
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,767
that his shtick isn't working,
583
00:33:08,767 --> 00:33:10,567
and he starts to break down.
584
00:33:20,266 --> 00:33:22,066
[Dues] He just
literally painted the story
585
00:33:22,066 --> 00:33:25,800
from the first time
that he sought the Papes
586
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,467
and decided
that he was going to rob them
587
00:33:27,467 --> 00:33:29,200
to the point where he was
in the holding cell.
588
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,967
[Kenda] He says he was
staying with a friend
589
00:33:35,967 --> 00:33:38,100
in the area
of the Papes' home.
590
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:39,100
He's a heroin addict.
591
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:40,266
He's desperate for money.
592
00:33:41,667 --> 00:33:43,066
[Frankel] He had been
watching the Papes
593
00:33:43,066 --> 00:33:45,867
and kind of looked at them
as an easy target.
594
00:33:45,867 --> 00:33:47,467
That's why he chose
595
00:33:47,467 --> 00:33:49,266
to victimize them.
596
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,567
[Kenda] Her husband rushed
to her aid
597
00:34:13,567 --> 00:34:15,100
and suffered the same fate.
598
00:34:22,967 --> 00:34:24,900
[Kenda] Then he ransacked
their home,
599
00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:26,767
took their property of value,
600
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,600
and stayed there
for a day or two.
601
00:34:40,266 --> 00:34:42,266
[Dues] He went to Reno
and pawned some things,
602
00:34:42,266 --> 00:34:44,667
got some money,
went to a strip club.
603
00:34:44,667 --> 00:34:47,467
He was using the Papes
as his own personal ATM.
604
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,100
[Dues] And then he came back
to Fernley,
605
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:52,367
right back
to the Papes' house.
606
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,667
[Dues] He said
that he then took
bottles of shampoo
607
00:35:11,667 --> 00:35:13,767
and squeezed them
onto the carpet,
608
00:35:13,767 --> 00:35:15,367
hoping that that would
mask the scent.
609
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:29,667
He drives it onto I-80
and heads west.
610
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,166
[Kenda] He's within
a quarter mile
611
00:35:43,166 --> 00:35:45,266
of the gas station
where Graham works.
612
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:47,166
Graham sees him
613
00:35:47,166 --> 00:35:49,100
off the road in his truck.
614
00:36:18,166 --> 00:36:19,867
[Kenda] He grabbed his pants
to try to move,
615
00:36:19,867 --> 00:36:20,867
and they came down.
616
00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:23,767
He grabbed his shirt
to drag him,
617
00:36:23,767 --> 00:36:25,467
and all it did was pull up.
618
00:36:25,467 --> 00:36:27,667
That's why he's almost naked.
619
00:36:27,667 --> 00:36:30,667
So now he jumps
in Graham's truck.
620
00:36:30,667 --> 00:36:32,467
[Dues] But instead
of getting back on I-80
621
00:36:32,467 --> 00:36:33,667
heading westbound,
622
00:36:33,667 --> 00:36:34,867
for some reason,
623
00:36:34,867 --> 00:36:35,967
he went back to Fernley,
624
00:36:35,967 --> 00:36:37,100
right back
to the Papes' house.
625
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:41,033
[Kenda] Then he realizes
626
00:36:41,033 --> 00:36:43,100
he's got another thing
he has to cover up.
627
00:36:56,767 --> 00:36:59,200
[Dues] He decided he was
going to hide all his crimes
628
00:37:00,066 --> 00:37:01,867
by starting a fire,
629
00:37:01,867 --> 00:37:04,367
and then hopefully escape
and disappear,
630
00:37:04,367 --> 00:37:06,500
which didn't go
exactly as he planned.
631
00:37:15,467 --> 00:37:17,000
The home of Angie Duff.
632
00:37:18,266 --> 00:37:20,600
[Dues] He said he wasn't there
to rob the house.
633
00:37:22,367 --> 00:37:25,467
He was there
to simply garner a vehicle.
634
00:37:34,567 --> 00:37:36,667
-[woman screaming]
-[Dues] Angie goes
into fight-or-flight.
635
00:37:37,467 --> 00:37:38,367
But she picks fight,
636
00:37:38,367 --> 00:37:39,667
and so she begins
637
00:37:39,667 --> 00:37:41,667
to tussle with him
a little bit.
638
00:37:41,667 --> 00:37:43,000
-[woman screams]
-[Dues] And he says
639
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,500
that there's a struggle
over the gun.
640
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:47,867
And he gets her pushed back,
641
00:37:47,867 --> 00:37:49,300
and she kind of slumps,
642
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:51,867
and then he drops the gun
and he shoots her.
643
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,166
[Dues] Lester, who is
in the backyard
644
00:37:58,166 --> 00:37:59,667
watching
the Papes' house burn,
645
00:37:59,667 --> 00:38:00,967
comes back in the house.
646
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,567
And Bean said that, you know,
647
00:38:03,567 --> 00:38:05,100
basically he's caught him
off guard,
648
00:38:06,567 --> 00:38:08,266
firing at him, hitting him,
649
00:38:08,266 --> 00:38:09,266
and missing him,
650
00:38:09,266 --> 00:38:11,467
blowing up
the sliding glass door.
651
00:38:11,467 --> 00:38:13,967
They get into a small scuffle,
but it wasn't much.
652
00:38:13,967 --> 00:38:17,400
He said
Lester went down pretty fast.
653
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,367
And then he grabbed a knife
and started stabbing him.
654
00:38:20,367 --> 00:38:22,500
Now he is covered in blood.
655
00:38:33,166 --> 00:38:35,000
And here come the police.
656
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,100
Oh, no. Now he's trapped.
657
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,467
You could see
when he was done talking,
658
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,867
his whole body just relaxed.
659
00:38:45,867 --> 00:38:47,266
He got it all off his chest.
660
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,066
[Kenda] After the confession
is complete,
661
00:38:50,066 --> 00:38:52,467
they recovered
a.22 caliber pistol,
662
00:38:53,367 --> 00:38:55,400
the ultimate
corroborating evidence.
663
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,266
He is toast, as we say
in the murder biz.
664
00:39:02,667 --> 00:39:04,867
The person of interest
or suspect
665
00:39:04,867 --> 00:39:06,166
in five murder cases
666
00:39:06,166 --> 00:39:07,400
made
his first court appearance
667
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,367
just minutes ago.
668
00:39:09,367 --> 00:39:12,066
So we're all waiting
in the courtroom.
669
00:39:12,066 --> 00:39:13,467
He comes in with his attorney
670
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:16,100
and stands up
671
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:18,300
and pleads not guilty.
672
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:21,166
It was really mind boggling
to everybody 'cause...
673
00:39:21,867 --> 00:39:23,467
he confessed
674
00:39:23,467 --> 00:39:24,900
right away that he did it.
675
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:26,266
So he goes into trial.
676
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,400
[Kenda] The evidence going
to trial is overwhelming.
677
00:39:31,166 --> 00:39:32,800
Jeremiah Bean is convicted
678
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,000
of five counts
of first-degree murder
679
00:39:35,867 --> 00:39:37,800
and sentenced to death.
680
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,467
They say
the death penalty is revenge.
681
00:39:42,266 --> 00:39:44,066
They're right.
682
00:39:44,066 --> 00:39:46,467
It is. Time for you
to say goodnight, Jeremiah.
683
00:39:48,066 --> 00:39:49,166
[Nelson] Death is permanent,
684
00:39:49,166 --> 00:39:50,900
and he didn't care.
685
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:54,967
He killed five innocent people
that he didn't even know.
686
00:39:55,967 --> 00:39:57,367
People that had families,
687
00:39:57,367 --> 00:39:58,967
people that had kids
and grandkids,
688
00:39:58,967 --> 00:40:00,467
and didn't think twice
about it.
689
00:40:02,166 --> 00:40:04,000
What I learned
from this case is
690
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:04,900
keep an open mind
691
00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:06,200
'cause anything can happen.
692
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,667
And as much as I like to look
at the good in people,
693
00:40:08,667 --> 00:40:12,100
there are wolves among us
that will do terrible things.
694
00:40:16,767 --> 00:40:18,367
[Trina] The last time
I was out here
695
00:40:18,367 --> 00:40:20,367
to tend to Ellie's cross was
696
00:40:20,367 --> 00:40:23,700
about two and a half,
maybe three years ago.
697
00:40:26,166 --> 00:40:29,300
It just is a reminder
that he's not forgotten.
698
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,367
[Terry] The sickest part
about the whole thing,
699
00:40:44,367 --> 00:40:48,467
if that slimy son of a [bleep]
had gone over to Bob and said,
700
00:40:48,467 --> 00:40:50,800
"Hey, man, I need to make
a couple of bucks",
701
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,567
he would have hired him
702
00:40:53,567 --> 00:40:56,400
to help him pull weeds
or do whatever.
703
00:40:57,700 --> 00:40:59,467
But what does he do?
He kills him.
704
00:41:00,667 --> 00:41:03,400
Angry is what it makes me.
705
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,667
How dare you?
706
00:41:06,667 --> 00:41:10,300
It makes me want to take
a hammer to his head.
707
00:41:12,767 --> 00:41:15,400
[Kenda] When people say
there's good in everyone,
708
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,567
this is the reason
why that's not true.
709
00:41:18,266 --> 00:41:20,400
There's no good in Mr. Bean.
710
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,567
What mercy do we owe him?
711
00:41:22,567 --> 00:41:23,500
None.