1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,367 Priority number one for Agawam Detective Sergeant Wayne Macey 2 00:00:08,534 --> 00:00:11,834 and investigators is finding the killer of Lisa Ziegert. 3 00:00:14,300 --> 00:00:16,267 There was a lot of mystery and confusion 4 00:00:16,434 --> 00:00:18,767 surrounding this case right from the very beginning. 5 00:00:19,767 --> 00:00:22,767 Police believe there are people out there who know something 6 00:00:22,934 --> 00:00:26,501 about Lisa's murder and who have not yet come forward. 7 00:00:28,968 --> 00:00:31,467 People start to wonder if I walk out the door of my house, 8 00:00:31,634 --> 00:00:33,701 is somebody gonna be out there waiting for me? 9 00:00:36,167 --> 00:00:38,601 That's the unknown, and the unknown creates 10 00:00:38,767 --> 00:00:41,300 all kinds of conflict in your mind. 11 00:00:43,767 --> 00:00:47,267 There are very, very dangerous people who are intentionally 12 00:00:47,434 --> 00:00:50,667 hiding their behavior from everyone they know. 13 00:00:51,667 --> 00:00:53,801 Those people are wolves. 14 00:00:56,267 --> 00:01:00,767 They remain in the shadows. They kill because they like it. 15 00:01:00,934 --> 00:01:02,701 There's nothing more dangerous than that. 16 00:01:08,167 --> 00:01:10,901 I spent my career closing murder cases. 17 00:01:12,667 --> 00:01:15,567 But I'm not the only one who answered the call. 18 00:01:17,801 --> 00:01:20,901 It takes a rare breed to solve the unsolvable... 19 00:01:22,267 --> 00:01:23,767 to catch a ruthless killer... 20 00:01:24,868 --> 00:01:26,901 to find justice for the dead. 21 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,567 That's what it takes to be an "American Detective." 22 00:01:47,100 --> 00:01:49,701 Agawam, Massachusetts. 23 00:01:49,868 --> 00:01:53,200 A small town of about 25,000 souls. 24 00:01:55,567 --> 00:01:58,667 Sophia Maynard pulls up to Brittany's Card Shop 25 00:01:58,834 --> 00:02:02,567 at 9 o'clock in the morning to open business for the day. 26 00:02:04,267 --> 00:02:07,801 She notices Lisa Ziegert's car in the parking lot 27 00:02:07,968 --> 00:02:10,000 and thought that was very odd. 28 00:02:10,167 --> 00:02:13,100 Lisa's responsible to close the business at 9 o'clock 29 00:02:13,267 --> 00:02:16,567 in the evening, lock up, and go home. 30 00:02:16,734 --> 00:02:18,267 So why is she here now? 31 00:02:23,467 --> 00:02:26,100 Sophia goes to the front door, and it's unlocked. 32 00:02:28,467 --> 00:02:30,968 The lights are on, the music is playing. 33 00:02:31,133 --> 00:02:32,000 It's not supposed to be. 34 00:02:34,734 --> 00:02:36,367 So she proceeds to search for her. 35 00:02:39,567 --> 00:02:42,367 And becomes extremely alarmed 36 00:02:42,534 --> 00:02:45,968 when she sees the back door is standing open. 37 00:02:47,667 --> 00:02:49,501 It should be closed and locked. 38 00:02:51,501 --> 00:02:54,701 This is bad. And she instinctively feels it. 39 00:02:57,067 --> 00:02:58,501 And her instincts are correct. 40 00:02:59,567 --> 00:03:00,667 It is bad. 41 00:03:06,467 --> 00:03:08,667 I am Wayne Macey. 42 00:03:10,601 --> 00:03:13,400 I was with the Agawam Police Department for 31 years. 43 00:03:15,868 --> 00:03:17,367 On the morning of the 16th, 44 00:03:17,534 --> 00:03:20,367 I was advised that there was a missing person down 45 00:03:20,534 --> 00:03:21,701 at Brittany's Card Shop. 46 00:03:23,968 --> 00:03:26,868 Agawam is a very small town, a close-knit community. 47 00:03:28,300 --> 00:03:32,000 It was just unlikely that this kind of a thing 48 00:03:32,167 --> 00:03:33,167 could have happened. 49 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,367 When I first drove up, the only thing when I got there 50 00:03:42,534 --> 00:03:44,567 in the parking lot was the vehicles 51 00:03:44,734 --> 00:03:46,901 that our police officers had arrived in. 52 00:03:48,167 --> 00:03:53,000 And the one car that didn't fit in there was Lisa's car, 53 00:03:53,167 --> 00:03:54,501 all by itself in the corner. 54 00:04:07,767 --> 00:04:09,901 Walking into the store, there was no signs 55 00:04:10,067 --> 00:04:13,467 of a struggle as far as things falling on the floor. 56 00:04:13,634 --> 00:04:14,801 Nothing was knocked over. 57 00:04:16,167 --> 00:04:19,367 But as we kept investigating inside the store, 58 00:04:19,534 --> 00:04:21,868 and I started noticing, um... 59 00:04:22,033 --> 00:04:25,000 things that were completely and totally out of place. 60 00:04:26,601 --> 00:04:29,167 They had her pocketbook and her coat 61 00:04:29,334 --> 00:04:30,567 remaining in the building. 62 00:04:32,467 --> 00:04:33,767 Something is happening here. 63 00:04:34,868 --> 00:04:36,868 The register is undisturbed. 64 00:04:37,033 --> 00:04:39,667 This is not a robbery. It's something else. 65 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,167 At that point, I went past the register 66 00:04:43,334 --> 00:04:45,100 and as I was walking through the store, 67 00:04:46,601 --> 00:04:49,300 I noticed that there were some blood spattering 68 00:04:49,467 --> 00:04:51,267 on some of the cards. 69 00:04:54,100 --> 00:04:56,968 Blood spatter is significant evidence. 70 00:04:57,133 --> 00:05:00,200 A first blow produces blood. 71 00:05:00,367 --> 00:05:02,868 Subsequent blows disperse the blood. 72 00:05:04,534 --> 00:05:07,868 Someone is hurt, not mildly hurt. 73 00:05:09,167 --> 00:05:10,300 Hurt. 74 00:05:11,567 --> 00:05:14,100 Macey looks in the storage room and finds evidence 75 00:05:14,267 --> 00:05:15,567 of a struggle. 76 00:05:15,734 --> 00:05:18,667 I noticed that there's a heel mark in the door 77 00:05:18,834 --> 00:05:21,567 from the inside that appears that somebody 78 00:05:21,734 --> 00:05:23,400 might have kicked that door. 79 00:05:24,801 --> 00:05:27,868 There are certain earmarks of a crime scene 80 00:05:28,033 --> 00:05:31,167 that add up very quickly in a policeman's head. 81 00:05:31,334 --> 00:05:32,267 She's assaulted... 82 00:05:33,467 --> 00:05:35,000 with violence. 83 00:05:35,167 --> 00:05:36,267 There is resistance. 84 00:05:38,067 --> 00:05:41,367 No one's looking for money. She is the motive. 85 00:05:41,534 --> 00:05:44,067 This was an obvious abduction. 86 00:05:44,234 --> 00:05:48,267 We don't have Lisa Ziegert because somebody else has her. 87 00:05:50,834 --> 00:05:53,167 Meanwhile, Lisa Ziegert's family arrives. 88 00:05:55,467 --> 00:05:57,868 Lisa's oldest sister, Lynn, and I 89 00:05:58,033 --> 00:05:59,267 went to the gift shop 90 00:06:00,300 --> 00:06:02,000 and the police were there. 91 00:06:03,367 --> 00:06:09,167 And I went from "Lisa's gonna turn up" to... 92 00:06:09,334 --> 00:06:10,567 abject... 93 00:06:11,868 --> 00:06:13,000 fear. 94 00:06:13,868 --> 00:06:17,100 This is one of your beloved children who is missing, 95 00:06:17,267 --> 00:06:19,868 and you know it's not like her. 96 00:06:21,167 --> 00:06:22,200 It made no sense. 97 00:06:25,033 --> 00:06:26,000 We were very lucky. 98 00:06:26,167 --> 00:06:27,467 We were blessed with four children. 99 00:06:28,567 --> 00:06:31,200 Uh, Lisa was the second, 100 00:06:31,367 --> 00:06:34,467 uh, oldest, the shortest. 101 00:06:34,634 --> 00:06:37,467 - Wanna say something? - No, 102 00:06:37,634 --> 00:06:40,567 Lisa always reminded me of an old song. 103 00:06:40,734 --> 00:06:44,000 It was called "Five Foot Two, Eyes of Blue" 104 00:06:44,167 --> 00:06:45,667 but, oh, what those five foot could do. 105 00:06:47,234 --> 00:06:48,234 That was Lisa. 106 00:06:50,701 --> 00:06:53,167 Her stature didn't seem to matter. 107 00:06:53,334 --> 00:06:54,701 Her personality was big. 108 00:06:56,367 --> 00:06:59,767 Lisa was always a glass-half-full kind of girl. 109 00:06:59,934 --> 00:07:03,267 She was always very positive, always supportive, 110 00:07:03,434 --> 00:07:04,801 and a really good listener. 111 00:07:06,567 --> 00:07:09,000 - We're here to see if you're having enough fun. - Oh, yeah. 112 00:07:09,167 --> 00:07:11,801 Lisa was the coolest person I've ever known. 113 00:07:11,968 --> 00:07:15,067 She did nerdy things, played in the band, 114 00:07:15,234 --> 00:07:16,567 was a drum major, 115 00:07:16,734 --> 00:07:20,267 read science fiction, but she was just so magnetic 116 00:07:20,434 --> 00:07:24,000 of a personality that people didn't care that they might not 117 00:07:24,167 --> 00:07:25,501 have exactly the same interests. 118 00:07:27,968 --> 00:07:31,567 So in 1992, she was working at the gift shop part-time, 119 00:07:31,734 --> 00:07:34,000 but she was also working full-time 120 00:07:34,167 --> 00:07:36,567 as a teaching assistant at the middle school. 121 00:07:37,601 --> 00:07:41,300 Lisa was born to be a teacher. 122 00:07:43,667 --> 00:07:46,267 She was generally empathetic and was somebody 123 00:07:46,434 --> 00:07:48,868 easily approachable, and she generally cared. 124 00:07:50,667 --> 00:07:51,868 She was 24. 125 00:07:53,300 --> 00:07:55,467 She was sweet and loving, and she had her whole life 126 00:07:55,634 --> 00:07:56,567 ahead of her. 127 00:07:57,667 --> 00:08:00,067 Someone made this happen. 128 00:08:00,234 --> 00:08:02,868 Macey needs to develop a suspect. 129 00:08:03,033 --> 00:08:05,601 At that point in time, some of her friends 130 00:08:05,767 --> 00:08:07,567 started gathering outside the store. 131 00:08:08,601 --> 00:08:09,868 This is a small town. 132 00:08:10,033 --> 00:08:12,801 Everybody knows that Lisa Ziegert is missing 133 00:08:12,968 --> 00:08:14,100 from the card shop. 134 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,667 Lisa's boyfriend, Blair, he was there also. 135 00:08:18,834 --> 00:08:22,167 Boyfriends are always of interest to a detective 136 00:08:22,334 --> 00:08:25,367 because they are emotionally involved. 137 00:08:25,534 --> 00:08:29,000 And emotion leads to violence in many cases. 138 00:08:31,467 --> 00:08:33,467 Well, when we started talking with Blair, 139 00:08:33,634 --> 00:08:36,167 we just wanted to know if there were any problems 140 00:08:36,334 --> 00:08:37,901 in the relationship. 141 00:08:38,067 --> 00:08:40,267 He's concerned about this woman. 142 00:08:40,434 --> 00:08:42,667 They are in love, and it seems to be genuine. 143 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,868 But a good detective takes nothing at face value. 144 00:08:49,601 --> 00:08:51,767 He did have an alibi for that evening. 145 00:08:51,934 --> 00:08:53,667 He was with his mother. 146 00:08:53,834 --> 00:08:57,067 I mean, he just was nowhere near there that night. 147 00:08:57,234 --> 00:08:59,100 Blair is eliminated by alibi. 148 00:09:00,267 --> 00:09:04,100 He was obviously very worried, but he had no real information 149 00:09:04,267 --> 00:09:06,300 as far as what could have happened here. 150 00:09:08,467 --> 00:09:09,767 So here we are. 151 00:09:09,934 --> 00:09:11,968 We know she's been hurt in the process 152 00:09:12,133 --> 00:09:13,400 of being abducted. 153 00:09:13,567 --> 00:09:16,000 And other than that, we don't know anything. 154 00:09:16,167 --> 00:09:17,801 Where is she? 155 00:09:24,868 --> 00:09:26,868 Agawam PD quickly called for assistance 156 00:09:27,033 --> 00:09:28,567 from the state police and the FBI. 157 00:09:28,734 --> 00:09:31,200 Combined with participation from the community, 158 00:09:31,367 --> 00:09:33,834 the search to find Lisa was extensive. 159 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:39,667 As the days start going by, I'm losing hope 160 00:09:39,834 --> 00:09:41,601 because of the fact that we haven't found her. 161 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:45,934 I thought something bad may have happened to her. 162 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,200 But I never thought she wouldn't come home. 163 00:09:52,100 --> 00:09:53,367 Everything will be fine. 164 00:10:00,734 --> 00:10:04,267 On April the 19th, a man is walking his dog 165 00:10:04,434 --> 00:10:08,200 in a remote area about three miles from the card shop. 166 00:10:09,701 --> 00:10:14,300 And the dog strains at the lead and drags the owner forward 167 00:10:14,467 --> 00:10:16,901 because he sees and smells something. 168 00:10:18,901 --> 00:10:22,901 And he got to within 50 or 75 feet of what he determined 169 00:10:23,067 --> 00:10:24,267 might be a female body. 170 00:10:25,567 --> 00:10:27,467 I am thinking, this is it. 171 00:10:27,634 --> 00:10:29,167 This is gonna be more than a coincidence. 172 00:10:31,434 --> 00:10:34,467 Good policemen don't believe in coincidences. 173 00:10:38,167 --> 00:10:40,868 2 Four days after Lisa Ziegert's disappearance, 174 00:10:41,467 --> 00:10:42,667 her body has been found. 175 00:10:43,968 --> 00:10:45,501 The 24-year-old Agawam woman 176 00:10:45,667 --> 00:10:48,467 was abducted from the card shop where she worked. 177 00:10:48,634 --> 00:10:50,767 Days later, her body was found in a wooded area 178 00:10:50,934 --> 00:10:52,267 off route 75. 179 00:10:59,467 --> 00:11:01,601 In 1992, this barricade wasn't here. 180 00:11:01,767 --> 00:11:04,000 It was pretty much open. 181 00:11:04,167 --> 00:11:09,267 I'm gonna say that the body is about 250 to 300 yards down 182 00:11:09,434 --> 00:11:10,767 this particular road. 183 00:11:15,367 --> 00:11:19,167 I think it was the worst of my career when I saw it. 184 00:11:26,601 --> 00:11:29,601 The first obvious fact of the discovery of her remains 185 00:11:29,767 --> 00:11:32,400 is that she is naked from the waist down. 186 00:11:34,601 --> 00:11:35,601 Her clothes were torn 187 00:11:35,767 --> 00:11:36,968 or ripped off of her body. 188 00:11:40,467 --> 00:11:42,100 And there was blood all over her blouse. 189 00:11:44,567 --> 00:11:46,501 And the buttons from her blouse 190 00:11:46,667 --> 00:11:49,033 were found scattered around the area. 191 00:11:51,501 --> 00:11:53,467 Because of Lisa's clothing and the way it was 192 00:11:53,634 --> 00:11:56,968 displayed, it was becoming obvious to all of us 193 00:11:57,133 --> 00:11:58,167 that it was a sexual assault. 194 00:12:03,801 --> 00:12:07,067 Lisa's injuries indicated that this was a brutal attack. 195 00:12:07,234 --> 00:12:08,801 She had been stabbed multiple times 196 00:12:08,968 --> 00:12:09,901 to the front of her neck... 197 00:12:11,100 --> 00:12:12,167 the back of her neck... 198 00:12:13,167 --> 00:12:14,968 and one to her leg as well. 199 00:12:15,133 --> 00:12:18,167 She also had multiple defensive injuries on both of her hands. 200 00:12:21,367 --> 00:12:23,868 I was thinking to myself, whoever did this, 201 00:12:24,033 --> 00:12:26,667 it's probably not their first time, it's probably not gonna 202 00:12:26,834 --> 00:12:29,400 be their last time, and they enjoyed it. 203 00:12:31,067 --> 00:12:34,767 And that's a very, very dark. and disturbing thought. 204 00:12:38,267 --> 00:12:41,901 Lisa had been exposed to mother nature for three days. 205 00:12:42,067 --> 00:12:45,801 So evidence has been destroyed by the weather conditions, 206 00:12:45,968 --> 00:12:48,567 but it's also provided something else. 207 00:12:50,434 --> 00:12:53,334 Part of the evidence that was found were tire tracks. 208 00:12:55,801 --> 00:13:00,100 The lab people take castings of the tire tracks for possible 209 00:13:00,267 --> 00:13:03,567 identification at a later time if a car is recovered. 210 00:13:05,267 --> 00:13:07,300 So that's all you've got. 211 00:13:09,767 --> 00:13:12,901 After viewing the crime scene, I jumped in my cruiser 212 00:13:14,100 --> 00:13:17,200 and headed down to where the Ziegerts lived. 213 00:13:19,601 --> 00:13:23,968 As I'm walking up, I'm thinking to myself, how do you say 214 00:13:24,133 --> 00:13:27,267 the word "dead" and make it have less of an impact 215 00:13:27,434 --> 00:13:28,968 than it's gonna have? 216 00:13:34,667 --> 00:13:36,868 Detective Wayne Macey came to the door. 217 00:13:42,934 --> 00:13:44,834 I just looked at him. I knew. 218 00:13:47,300 --> 00:13:50,100 She just looked at me, and she said... 219 00:13:50,267 --> 00:13:52,000 She's dead, isn't she? 220 00:14:03,067 --> 00:14:04,167 Um... 221 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,701 I kinda dropped to my knees. 222 00:14:09,868 --> 00:14:11,667 I said, "What are we gonna do without her? 223 00:14:13,968 --> 00:14:16,567 She's such a good person. W-why is she gone?" 224 00:14:22,701 --> 00:14:23,901 We sat on the porch. 225 00:14:24,067 --> 00:14:26,167 Dee's brought Lisa's teddy bear out. 226 00:14:26,334 --> 00:14:28,267 And we just talked about the family. 227 00:14:30,567 --> 00:14:33,100 Wayne had an attitude, the way of talking, 228 00:14:33,267 --> 00:14:36,767 that you just knew that he cared. 229 00:14:37,901 --> 00:14:42,100 Wayne Macey was more than just a detective. 230 00:14:42,267 --> 00:14:44,167 He became a friend. 231 00:14:44,334 --> 00:14:48,300 It became more of a personal issue at that point. 232 00:14:48,467 --> 00:14:49,868 There was only one case. 233 00:14:50,033 --> 00:14:51,767 Nothing was going to be as important 234 00:14:51,934 --> 00:14:54,167 as solving Lisa's murder. 235 00:14:54,334 --> 00:14:56,601 The mission is what means everything. 236 00:15:01,968 --> 00:15:04,868 During the autopsy, the most important piece 237 00:15:05,033 --> 00:15:09,000 of evidence that we got was the suspect's DNA. 238 00:15:11,467 --> 00:15:16,100 DNA databases did not exist in the same way in 1992. 239 00:15:16,267 --> 00:15:18,868 There was no way to compare that person's profile 240 00:15:19,033 --> 00:15:23,567 to a large pool of subjects to rule somebody in or out. 241 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,667 But we were always hoping that that was going to be 242 00:15:27,834 --> 00:15:29,100 our ace in the hole. 243 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,100 This crime scared the local community 244 00:15:38,267 --> 00:15:39,767 in a way that few crimes do. 245 00:15:39,934 --> 00:15:42,367 While police have not yet solved this case, 246 00:15:42,534 --> 00:15:45,100 they remain hopeful that someone will come forward 247 00:15:45,267 --> 00:15:46,267 to break the case. 248 00:15:46,434 --> 00:15:48,467 It changed the way people lived their lives. 249 00:15:50,868 --> 00:15:53,968 We didn't know who it could have been, but we did strongly 250 00:15:54,133 --> 00:15:55,868 feel like it was somebody local. 251 00:15:57,067 --> 00:16:00,100 Once it was dark, most women stayed in. 252 00:16:00,267 --> 00:16:02,767 A lot of women started to carry mace, 253 00:16:02,934 --> 00:16:05,167 and some even got gun licenses. 254 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,501 People were widely concerned that whoever did this assault 255 00:16:09,667 --> 00:16:10,567 was gonna do it again. 256 00:16:14,567 --> 00:16:16,767 When there's no enemies that are known, 257 00:16:16,934 --> 00:16:19,000 Macey turns to friends and family, 258 00:16:19,167 --> 00:16:23,234 and Lisa's friend, Kim, has an interesting story to tell. 259 00:16:25,701 --> 00:16:27,467 The week before she went missing, 260 00:16:27,634 --> 00:16:31,000 I had stopped by the shop, and while we were talking, 261 00:16:31,167 --> 00:16:33,000 there was a man in the store. 262 00:16:35,467 --> 00:16:39,501 He was at the back of the shop, kind of just lingering. 263 00:16:41,801 --> 00:16:43,701 I mean, it just didn't seem normal. 264 00:16:44,868 --> 00:16:46,100 He finally did leave... 265 00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:49,667 and he didn't buy anything. 266 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,767 He was a tall and thin man with dark hair, 267 00:16:53,934 --> 00:16:56,100 and he was wearing a black jacket. 268 00:16:57,300 --> 00:17:00,901 I can talk about a thousand, you know, tall, lean, 269 00:17:01,067 --> 00:17:04,167 white guys who look suspicious, but, uh, with Kim, 270 00:17:04,334 --> 00:17:05,400 that's what she noticed. 271 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,067 Later, we were standing in front of the big glass window 272 00:17:13,234 --> 00:17:15,467 and she started to look around, and she said, 273 00:17:15,634 --> 00:17:17,467 "I just feel like I'm being watched." 274 00:17:17,634 --> 00:17:20,567 And I remember looking out across the parking lot 275 00:17:20,734 --> 00:17:23,267 and saying to her, "Nobody's out there." 276 00:17:25,267 --> 00:17:28,100 In retrospect, I think that... 277 00:17:28,267 --> 00:17:30,067 she was right, and I was wrong. 278 00:17:30,234 --> 00:17:31,767 I feel a lot of guilt over it. 279 00:17:31,934 --> 00:17:34,100 I do, I carry that with me. 280 00:17:34,267 --> 00:17:37,267 So it's possible that Lisa may have a stalker. 281 00:17:43,968 --> 00:17:47,367 Without any solid leads to go on, police turned to the public 282 00:17:47,534 --> 00:17:48,367 for their assistance. 283 00:17:51,267 --> 00:17:53,901 Volumes of calls that the Agawam Police Department 284 00:17:54,067 --> 00:17:58,467 received with people trying to help, it was so massive that 285 00:17:58,634 --> 00:18:00,501 we actually had to put extra phone lines 286 00:18:00,667 --> 00:18:03,000 into the detective bureau. 287 00:18:03,167 --> 00:18:06,367 As strange as it may sound, a lot of these were coming in 288 00:18:06,534 --> 00:18:09,467 from either girlfriends or wives who, for one reason 289 00:18:09,634 --> 00:18:13,067 or another, were trying to unload their boyfriends 290 00:18:13,234 --> 00:18:14,767 or whoever in our laps. 291 00:18:17,267 --> 00:18:20,868 It's their ex-husband who's a no-good rat. 292 00:18:21,033 --> 00:18:25,000 It is insane what people will say, but you are now required, 293 00:18:25,167 --> 00:18:28,400 because you asked the question, to pay attention to the answer. 294 00:18:28,567 --> 00:18:31,467 Every lead has to be looked into, or else you're just not 295 00:18:31,634 --> 00:18:32,967 doing your job. 296 00:18:32,968 --> 00:18:36,467 But there's one rumor that Macey keeps hearing over and over... 297 00:18:38,901 --> 00:18:42,300 About a secret love triangle involving Lisa. 298 00:18:43,501 --> 00:18:45,501 This kind of information was coming in 299 00:18:45,667 --> 00:18:47,267 from a lot of people. 300 00:18:47,434 --> 00:18:51,100 When you mention a love triangle, every detective would 301 00:18:51,267 --> 00:18:55,400 turn a head. Three is not an even number. 302 00:18:55,567 --> 00:18:58,234 Somebody decides to make it two. 303 00:19:00,734 --> 00:19:03,868 2 Priority number one for Agawam Detective Sergeant Wayne Macey 304 00:19:04,033 --> 00:19:06,868 and investigators is finding the killer of Lisa Ziegert. 305 00:19:08,133 --> 00:19:09,868 The case is worked on daily. 306 00:19:10,033 --> 00:19:12,934 There are phone calls coming in with new information. 307 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:16,100 I'm very optimistic with both the evidence that we have 308 00:19:16,267 --> 00:19:18,734 and information that we've received by telephone. 309 00:19:20,434 --> 00:19:23,167 Rumors are now circulating in this small town about 310 00:19:23,334 --> 00:19:25,267 a love triangle gone bad. 311 00:19:29,133 --> 00:19:32,400 The phone calls would be coming in, and some names were given 312 00:19:32,567 --> 00:19:34,667 to you once, some names were given to you twice. 313 00:19:34,834 --> 00:19:37,567 Ed Borgatti's name was coming to us a lot. 314 00:19:37,734 --> 00:19:39,133 Mom? Dad? 315 00:19:42,467 --> 00:19:45,067 Eddie Borgatti's father owned a restaurant 316 00:19:45,234 --> 00:19:48,067 two or three doors down from Brittany's Card Shop. 317 00:19:49,501 --> 00:19:51,200 Eddie Borgatti was also the roommate 318 00:19:51,367 --> 00:19:55,167 of Lisa's boyfriend, and it was a circle of friends 319 00:19:55,334 --> 00:19:57,167 that were always together. 320 00:19:58,667 --> 00:20:01,067 The prevailing theory was that Lisa's boyfriend 321 00:20:01,234 --> 00:20:05,000 and his best friend Eddie were more than just friends. 322 00:20:05,167 --> 00:20:07,834 They were in a secret romantic relationship. 323 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,834 And when Lisa found out, Eddie decided to get rid of her. 324 00:20:17,033 --> 00:20:19,501 When you are getting information from multiple 325 00:20:19,667 --> 00:20:21,501 sources on one particular person, 326 00:20:21,667 --> 00:20:23,100 it had to be looked into. 327 00:20:25,567 --> 00:20:28,567 Macey brings Eddie Borgatti in for questioning. 328 00:20:31,033 --> 00:20:32,767 When I talked to the police, I wasn't afraid of any 329 00:20:32,934 --> 00:20:35,267 of the questions, because I knew that I had nothing to hide. 330 00:20:36,567 --> 00:20:38,667 He was very calm, and he was direct. 331 00:20:39,934 --> 00:20:43,167 Borgatti denies it all and says, "That's insane" 332 00:20:43,334 --> 00:20:45,167 And there was no love triangle. 333 00:20:47,567 --> 00:20:49,367 The night Lisa was taken, I was working 334 00:20:49,534 --> 00:20:51,000 at my family restaurant. 335 00:20:52,300 --> 00:20:53,467 And I had witnesses. 336 00:20:53,634 --> 00:20:55,501 I mean, it was family, friends, staff. 337 00:20:57,267 --> 00:20:59,167 He volunteered to give his DNA, 338 00:20:59,334 --> 00:21:02,067 and he was cleared through his DNA. 339 00:21:03,167 --> 00:21:07,968 It is not Eddie Borgatti. He is innocent of this crime. 340 00:21:08,133 --> 00:21:10,734 And that should have been the end of the story. 341 00:21:10,901 --> 00:21:14,200 But people were reading this like a novel, and they had 342 00:21:14,367 --> 00:21:16,367 the answer before they got to the end of the book. 343 00:21:17,367 --> 00:21:20,367 Truth doesn't matter in small towns. 344 00:21:20,534 --> 00:21:22,834 Only finger pointing does. 345 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:27,000 It just was, like, a perfect storm of having 346 00:21:27,167 --> 00:21:29,567 the house together and then having the shopping center 347 00:21:29,734 --> 00:21:31,734 right around the corner. So they came at me. 348 00:21:36,267 --> 00:21:38,567 It was tough, but you got to rise above it. 349 00:21:38,734 --> 00:21:39,967 I just stayed above it. 350 00:21:39,968 --> 00:21:42,767 The priority was always trying to find justice for Lisa, 351 00:21:42,934 --> 00:21:45,167 and that's what the family and all the friends 352 00:21:45,334 --> 00:21:46,300 always worked towards. 353 00:21:50,300 --> 00:21:53,467 Detective Macey's suspect disappears into thin air. 354 00:21:55,934 --> 00:21:58,467 So he returns to the physical evidence from the crime scene. 355 00:22:01,467 --> 00:22:04,601 The tire tracks were submitted to the state police laboratory. 356 00:22:06,834 --> 00:22:08,968 It turned out to be a Cooper tire. 357 00:22:10,567 --> 00:22:14,934 At the time, back in 1992, they weren't as popular 358 00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:16,567 or well known. 359 00:22:16,734 --> 00:22:21,501 We started canvassing area stores that sold Cooper tires. 360 00:22:21,667 --> 00:22:24,767 And you're able to come up with a list of people 361 00:22:24,934 --> 00:22:27,300 who might have bought them, and you go from there. 362 00:22:29,467 --> 00:22:32,267 They come up with this guy who is from that town. 363 00:22:33,367 --> 00:22:34,868 His name is Jason Ramsey. 364 00:22:35,868 --> 00:22:38,300 When we went out to the house and questioned him. 365 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,968 And they say, "You know, we're looking into 366 00:22:42,133 --> 00:22:44,167 this murder case, we found tire tracks." 367 00:22:44,334 --> 00:22:45,667 And the guy says, "Oh, yeah. 368 00:22:45,834 --> 00:22:47,467 We were out there recently". 369 00:22:49,667 --> 00:22:50,834 They had been four wheeling. 370 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,167 There was mud all over the place. 371 00:22:53,367 --> 00:22:55,601 And they got stuck, and they had to get pulled out. 372 00:22:57,567 --> 00:23:00,567 And he took pictures of it. And here are the pictures. 373 00:23:02,968 --> 00:23:07,200 At that point in time, DNA taken, end of the story. 374 00:23:07,367 --> 00:23:09,234 So it's another dead end. 375 00:23:11,667 --> 00:23:14,968 We had tried so many things in investigating this case. 376 00:23:15,133 --> 00:23:17,667 Macey even went to the Behavioral Science Unit 377 00:23:17,834 --> 00:23:19,300 in Quantico, Virginia, and discussed 378 00:23:19,467 --> 00:23:20,667 this case with them. 379 00:23:23,133 --> 00:23:27,200 And we spent two days profiling this case. 380 00:23:27,367 --> 00:23:32,167 And we had information on some of the characteristics that 381 00:23:32,334 --> 00:23:35,767 this particular suspect could possess. 382 00:23:35,934 --> 00:23:39,501 But they don't completely narrow it down enough. 383 00:23:43,667 --> 00:23:46,100 I feel like there was a shadow cast over the town, 384 00:23:46,267 --> 00:23:50,400 and that over the years, people still didn't feel safe. 385 00:23:52,567 --> 00:23:55,734 People want closure, and they're not getting it. 386 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:04,033 I never knew Lisa, but as close as I could come was to go every 387 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,734 once in a while to her grave to let her know that we were 388 00:24:07,901 --> 00:24:10,601 still working and we weren't gonna give up on it, 389 00:24:10,767 --> 00:24:12,267 and that's what I did. 390 00:24:13,834 --> 00:24:17,601 None of us gave up ever on the idea that Lisa's case 391 00:24:17,767 --> 00:24:19,067 would be solved. 392 00:24:19,234 --> 00:24:22,367 If somebody said, "Oh, this is going on, 393 00:24:22,534 --> 00:24:24,067 will you do an interview?" Yes. 394 00:24:25,934 --> 00:24:28,767 Not because I wanted my face there. 395 00:24:28,934 --> 00:24:30,801 I wanted Lisa's face there. 396 00:24:33,267 --> 00:24:37,067 As long as people are still talking about Lisa, 397 00:24:37,234 --> 00:24:38,267 she will never be forgotten. 398 00:24:42,734 --> 00:24:45,767 We get out of the '90s, and now we're into the 2000s, 399 00:24:45,934 --> 00:24:50,567 and I was just kind of running on empty, 400 00:24:50,734 --> 00:24:52,167 and there was nothing left. 401 00:24:53,767 --> 00:24:57,300 The most important case of my entire career 402 00:24:57,467 --> 00:24:58,467 was Lisa Ziegert. 403 00:24:59,567 --> 00:25:01,400 And I didn't finish it. 404 00:25:01,567 --> 00:25:02,734 So... 405 00:25:04,367 --> 00:25:07,868 Sometimes, it's just not there. It's just not there. 406 00:25:09,167 --> 00:25:13,267 In a way, I hated to leave, but at the same time, 407 00:25:13,434 --> 00:25:15,734 I also felt that we needed new blood. 408 00:25:19,734 --> 00:25:21,167 It's time to pass the torch. 409 00:25:22,567 --> 00:25:27,000 So when Wayne leaves in 2001, I get promoted to Sergeant. 410 00:25:27,167 --> 00:25:28,834 The lieutenant in charge of the detective bureau said, 411 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,467 "This is your case, You will be working this case." 412 00:25:31,634 --> 00:25:34,767 So I took it as a challenge. I want to solve this. 413 00:25:34,934 --> 00:25:35,934 Like, this has to be solved. 414 00:25:39,267 --> 00:25:40,667 Pfau has made a decision. 415 00:25:41,734 --> 00:25:45,000 We are gonna solve this case because we must. 416 00:25:48,767 --> 00:25:50,868 2 When I took over in 2001, I was excited... 417 00:25:52,033 --> 00:25:55,367 to take a case that I felt, as did others, 418 00:25:55,534 --> 00:25:56,601 that was very solvable. 419 00:26:00,267 --> 00:26:01,868 This was a massive case file. 420 00:26:03,767 --> 00:26:05,067 So when I took it over, 421 00:26:05,234 --> 00:26:07,367 you know, I was determined to get a grasp on it. 422 00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:12,033 So right now we're in the evidence room, 423 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,367 where we have all our files. 424 00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:17,267 Through the years, there was a constant investigation. 425 00:26:17,434 --> 00:26:18,601 It never stopped. 426 00:26:20,267 --> 00:26:24,267 All these files right here, going like this across, 427 00:26:24,434 --> 00:26:27,868 these are all people that we label people of interest. 428 00:26:28,033 --> 00:26:32,367 We had approximately 400 names, and we felt the answer was 429 00:26:32,534 --> 00:26:34,033 in that filing cabinet. 430 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,767 And it's a process of elimination. 431 00:26:35,934 --> 00:26:38,234 And the only way we can eliminate somebody is 432 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,934 to get their DNA. 433 00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:43,667 By 2001, there's been a huge advancement, you know, how DNA 434 00:26:43,834 --> 00:26:45,501 is obtained and everything like that. 435 00:26:45,667 --> 00:26:47,767 You swab their cheek, and off you go, and you move on 436 00:26:47,934 --> 00:26:49,066 to the next one. 437 00:26:49,067 --> 00:26:52,100 We have to go out and start obtaining DNA samples. 438 00:26:54,567 --> 00:26:58,167 Pfau goes through the file of tips involving ex-wives 439 00:26:58,334 --> 00:27:01,267 reporting their ex-husbands as being responsible 440 00:27:01,434 --> 00:27:02,400 for the crime. 441 00:27:03,767 --> 00:27:06,133 He comes across one involving a man named 442 00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:09,167 Gary Schara from 1993. 443 00:27:10,667 --> 00:27:13,567 Gary Schara was, just like many other 444 00:27:13,734 --> 00:27:16,567 people of interest, an ex-wife called. 445 00:27:19,767 --> 00:27:22,601 On the night that Lisa was abducted, apparently, 446 00:27:22,767 --> 00:27:24,968 Gary's ex-wife had said that 447 00:27:25,133 --> 00:27:28,033 Gary came home very late that night, 448 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,767 And he had really no excuse or no reason 449 00:27:30,934 --> 00:27:32,234 for why he was late. 450 00:27:33,234 --> 00:27:37,767 And that he was always looking at news reports of Lisa Ziegert. 451 00:27:41,868 --> 00:27:43,734 The ex-wife also says he likes 452 00:27:43,901 --> 00:27:46,634 to wear a Batman costume while having sex. 453 00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:54,567 OK, Gary, what is this, and who the hell are you? 454 00:27:55,567 --> 00:27:58,667 In 1993, we started investigating 455 00:27:58,834 --> 00:28:03,234 Gary's background, and we found out that he had gone to court 456 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,734 for a custody battle. 457 00:28:05,901 --> 00:28:09,133 Gary's ex-wife apparently had problems with alcohol 458 00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:11,400 and a number of other issues. 459 00:28:13,367 --> 00:28:16,167 So the investigators felt that this was just another 460 00:28:16,334 --> 00:28:20,067 disgruntled soon-to-be ex-wife who was trying to get custody 461 00:28:20,234 --> 00:28:22,000 of her child and was trying to make 462 00:28:22,167 --> 00:28:23,934 her soon-to-be ex-husband look bad. 463 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,667 And then I received a note from his attorney. 464 00:28:27,834 --> 00:28:30,767 She said to me, "Gary won't be coming in to see you 465 00:28:30,934 --> 00:28:33,267 for an interview because of the custody battle." 466 00:28:33,434 --> 00:28:35,767 So as a result of all of that, 467 00:28:35,934 --> 00:28:38,667 we ended up putting Gary Schara on the back burner. 468 00:28:41,667 --> 00:28:43,767 So now, Pfau wants to permanently knock 469 00:28:43,934 --> 00:28:46,267 Mr. Schara off the suspect list. 470 00:28:46,434 --> 00:28:50,300 I ended up calling him up. He did come in. 471 00:28:50,467 --> 00:28:52,567 Very polite, was cordial. 472 00:28:52,734 --> 00:28:55,667 But almost the same time that he was walking through 473 00:28:55,834 --> 00:28:58,367 the front door, I had a family emergency, and I had to leave. 474 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,467 So two other investigators sat with him. 475 00:29:16,567 --> 00:29:21,167 He just completely removes himself from the Ziegert story. 476 00:29:34,067 --> 00:29:36,167 They even ask him about frequently wearing 477 00:29:36,334 --> 00:29:37,467 a Batman costume. 478 00:29:42,367 --> 00:29:45,934 Gary has no idea why he's ever been linked to this case. 479 00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:49,767 So they say, "Fine, there is a way to eliminate you, 480 00:29:49,934 --> 00:29:52,567 but we'd like for you to offer us a DNA sample." 481 00:29:54,234 --> 00:29:58,033 And he says the most bizarre thing that Pfau’s ever heard. 482 00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,300 And he's like, "I'm afraid of cloning." 483 00:30:00,267 --> 00:30:01,367 And I'm like, "Cloning?" 484 00:30:04,434 --> 00:30:05,666 Excuse me? 485 00:30:05,667 --> 00:30:09,300 And if you review that tape, he never, ever put his hands 486 00:30:09,467 --> 00:30:10,400 on the table. 487 00:30:11,934 --> 00:30:14,267 He kept his hands on his lap. 488 00:30:14,434 --> 00:30:16,267 He didn't take a sip of a water bottle 489 00:30:16,434 --> 00:30:17,601 that was provided to him. 490 00:30:18,367 --> 00:30:21,501 That means to me that he was conscious to not leave 491 00:30:21,667 --> 00:30:22,601 DNA on anything. 492 00:30:26,734 --> 00:30:28,300 So he declines. 493 00:30:28,467 --> 00:30:30,734 He won't submit to a DNA sample. 494 00:30:30,901 --> 00:30:32,767 He said, "No." But there's a few other people 495 00:30:32,934 --> 00:30:36,133 back then that had said no too. It's their constitutional right. 496 00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:37,834 So we didn't put them in a closeout file. 497 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,868 We just put them back in the file and said, 498 00:30:40,033 --> 00:30:41,834 "We got to get back to this massive list." 499 00:30:43,968 --> 00:30:46,834 And then we pick up the next file, read that, track that 500 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,834 individual down, obtained their DNA, 501 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,868 and you move on to the next one. 502 00:30:51,033 --> 00:30:54,234 So that's how the investigation was led, you know, 503 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,934 for several years, actually. 504 00:31:05,033 --> 00:31:09,033 After chasing down DNA for years without a result, 505 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,234 a new district attorney comes to town, and he has an idea. 506 00:31:15,567 --> 00:31:17,067 When I came in office in 2015, 507 00:31:17,234 --> 00:31:19,767 I was determined to solve Lisa's case. 508 00:31:19,934 --> 00:31:21,501 I mean, we really looked at the lay of the land 509 00:31:21,667 --> 00:31:23,567 forensically and said, "You know, what can we do 510 00:31:23,734 --> 00:31:26,133 "to apply new forensic technologies to a case 511 00:31:26,300 --> 00:31:29,400 that was at that point 25 or more years old?" 512 00:31:29,567 --> 00:31:31,868 And one thing that stood out was DNA phenotyping. 513 00:31:33,667 --> 00:31:36,601 What that does is tell us, with a high degree 514 00:31:36,767 --> 00:31:40,100 of statistical accuracy, the physical characteristics 515 00:31:40,267 --> 00:31:42,367 of the person who left behind that DNA. 516 00:31:42,534 --> 00:31:44,567 And that resulted in 517 00:31:44,734 --> 00:31:48,000 literally a composite sketch of the suspect. 518 00:31:50,467 --> 00:31:53,300 Today, I am releasing the snapshot composite 519 00:31:53,467 --> 00:31:56,567 sketches, as developed by Parabon, to the public. 520 00:31:56,734 --> 00:31:59,133 This forensic testing has predicted that Lisa's assailant 521 00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:02,100 has fair to very fair complexion, with some 522 00:32:02,267 --> 00:32:06,667 freckling, hazel or brown eyes, and brown or black hair. 523 00:32:06,834 --> 00:32:09,100 We're able to rule out people who have dark skin. 524 00:32:09,267 --> 00:32:11,234 We can rule out people with blue eyes. 525 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,934 We ruled out people with blonde hair. 526 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:17,067 We really focused on cross-referencing the results 527 00:32:17,234 --> 00:32:19,734 of the phenotyping and who had refused to voluntarily give 528 00:32:19,901 --> 00:32:21,400 their DNA profiles. 529 00:32:21,567 --> 00:32:24,834 Eventually, we're able to narrow that list of refusals 530 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,167 down to about 11 people. 531 00:32:27,334 --> 00:32:29,033 And they're hopeful that Lisa's killer 532 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,834 is within that group. 533 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,300 We have to come up with a strategy now to try 534 00:32:33,467 --> 00:32:36,234 to rule these remaining 11 refusals 535 00:32:37,234 --> 00:32:38,534 in or out. 536 00:32:40,667 --> 00:32:46,467 We devised this plan to exercise a rarely-used aspect of the law 537 00:32:46,634 --> 00:32:50,567 in the grand jury proceedings to compel an individual 538 00:32:50,734 --> 00:32:52,868 or individuals to provide a DNA sample. 539 00:32:54,167 --> 00:32:55,767 We didn't want to hit the grand jury 540 00:32:55,934 --> 00:32:57,934 with all 11 names, 541 00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:01,501 so we came up just randomly, for lack of a better term, 542 00:33:01,667 --> 00:33:02,834 let's pick six names. 543 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,267 So, I wanted Gary Schara in there. 544 00:33:06,434 --> 00:33:08,834 He always stood in my mind as, 545 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,801 like, I want to go back and get this guy. 546 00:33:19,934 --> 00:33:22,834 So they go door-to-door and hand-deliver 547 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,934 these hearing notices to the people on that list. 548 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,467 The next day, a woman who was not known to investigators 549 00:33:30,634 --> 00:33:33,734 shows up out of the blue at the police barracks. 550 00:33:33,901 --> 00:33:35,667 This woman tells the troopers at the barracks 551 00:33:35,834 --> 00:33:37,868 that her boyfriend is missing. 552 00:33:39,767 --> 00:33:43,167 And she found three very strange letters that he left. 553 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,067 Among those letters is what appears to be a confession 554 00:33:48,234 --> 00:33:50,267 to the kidnapping, rape, and murder 555 00:33:50,434 --> 00:33:52,300 of Lisa Ziegert in 1992. 556 00:33:53,601 --> 00:33:57,267 The letter is written by none other than Gary Schara. 557 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,667 Well, Gary... 558 00:34:00,834 --> 00:34:05,467 isn't cloning you were worried about after all, now, is it? 559 00:34:10,534 --> 00:34:12,434 2 Gary Schara’s girlfriend has shown up 560 00:34:12,601 --> 00:34:15,100 at the Massachusetts State Police barracks 561 00:34:15,267 --> 00:34:17,100 with three handwritten letters. 562 00:34:20,567 --> 00:34:22,267 One is essentially a confession letter 563 00:34:22,434 --> 00:34:25,400 to the killing of Lisa Ziegert, written by Gary Schara. 564 00:34:27,868 --> 00:34:29,868 So they open a full-court press. 565 00:34:31,834 --> 00:34:35,734 Where is Gary Schara, because we want our hands on him. 566 00:34:43,167 --> 00:34:45,868 We started pinging his phone, trying to locate him. 567 00:34:49,567 --> 00:34:52,367 We're able to find Gary's car at a hospital 568 00:34:52,534 --> 00:34:53,901 in Central Connecticut. 569 00:34:56,367 --> 00:34:58,467 There's a note on the dashboard that says something 570 00:34:58,634 --> 00:35:00,234 to the effect of-- 571 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,367 "My apologies to whoever finds my body. 572 00:35:02,534 --> 00:35:04,100 Call Mass State Police." 573 00:35:05,567 --> 00:35:08,634 OK, Gary, where's your body? 574 00:35:08,801 --> 00:35:11,334 'Cause it's not in his car. So now what? 575 00:35:15,534 --> 00:35:19,267 They walk into the hospital, and the desk reports he's been 576 00:35:19,434 --> 00:35:22,033 signed in as a patient. For what? 577 00:35:23,767 --> 00:35:26,367 He took, like, a bottle of ibuprofen, which what we felt 578 00:35:26,534 --> 00:35:29,467 was his way of, you know, trying to commit suicide. 579 00:35:29,634 --> 00:35:32,100 But basically, all he got was an upset stomach. 580 00:35:33,868 --> 00:35:36,400 It's an attempt and a pathetic one at that. 581 00:35:38,868 --> 00:35:40,667 Noah Pack and I did go down there 582 00:35:40,834 --> 00:35:42,667 with the intentions of hopefully trying 583 00:35:42,834 --> 00:35:44,834 to interview him at his bedside. 584 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,934 You're thinking, OK, this is gonna be easy. 585 00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:49,534 He'll confess to it. 586 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,334 And he goes, "I'd like to talk to you guys, but I can't. 587 00:35:54,501 --> 00:35:55,767 I'm gonna talk to my attorney first." 588 00:35:58,234 --> 00:35:59,868 It was almost surreal. 589 00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:03,000 Like, this is how this is gonna play out at the end here? 590 00:36:06,834 --> 00:36:09,934 So they provide Mr. Schara with a new set of jewelry made 591 00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:11,133 by Smith and Wesson. 592 00:36:14,734 --> 00:36:16,968 What we need now is a sample of Gary's DNA. 593 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,267 We move for search warrants for his residence on an urgent 594 00:36:23,434 --> 00:36:24,634 and emergency basis. 595 00:36:26,734 --> 00:36:29,968 They find personal items that likely contain DNA... 596 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,167 including a razor and a toothbrush. 597 00:36:34,234 --> 00:36:37,467 Rush the testing on this toothbrush, and the next day, 598 00:36:37,634 --> 00:36:39,133 we have a DNA profile to compare. 599 00:36:41,267 --> 00:36:42,667 It's a match. 600 00:36:42,834 --> 00:36:45,267 Gary Schara is Lisa Ziegert's killer. 601 00:36:47,734 --> 00:36:50,000 And I basically collapsed. It was unbelievable. 602 00:36:51,367 --> 00:36:54,267 There was tears, you know, we both were like, oh my God. 603 00:36:54,434 --> 00:36:57,300 It was another surreal moment. 604 00:36:59,767 --> 00:37:01,767 Mr. Schara is the killer. 605 00:37:03,334 --> 00:37:07,167 Not Eddie Borgatti. Gary Schara. 606 00:37:07,334 --> 00:37:10,534 Other breaking news at this noon hour, the man accused 607 00:37:10,701 --> 00:37:13,434 in the death of Lisa Ziegert over 25 years ago 608 00:37:13,601 --> 00:37:15,767 is now pleading guilty to those murder charges. 609 00:37:15,934 --> 00:37:18,133 He has since been sentenced to life in prison 610 00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:20,400 without the possibility of parole. 611 00:37:22,868 --> 00:37:24,734 I was almost in shock, like... 612 00:37:26,167 --> 00:37:27,467 can I really believe this? 613 00:37:27,634 --> 00:37:30,667 Because, you know, but no, no, it's really true. 614 00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:38,334 Yes, we got him. We got him, Lisa. 615 00:37:38,501 --> 00:37:39,434 We got him. 616 00:37:40,534 --> 00:37:41,634 I was so grateful. 617 00:37:43,267 --> 00:37:47,100 Now the world can know that this person did it, 618 00:37:47,267 --> 00:37:51,567 that perhaps Lisa will be given some level of... 619 00:37:51,734 --> 00:37:53,000 of respite. 620 00:37:54,868 --> 00:37:57,267 In one of the handwritten confessions, so to speak, 621 00:37:57,434 --> 00:38:00,067 Gary Schara talked about never feeling normal. 622 00:38:00,234 --> 00:38:04,033 And he talked about how he fantasized about abduction 623 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,667 and bondage when it came to his sexual acts with females. 624 00:38:10,968 --> 00:38:12,166 That matches up. 625 00:38:12,167 --> 00:38:14,667 That's clearly consistent with the behavior pattern that 626 00:38:14,834 --> 00:38:16,801 we saw in this crime. 627 00:38:19,267 --> 00:38:21,334 Our belief at the end of this investigation is that 628 00:38:21,501 --> 00:38:25,534 Gary had seen Lisa before and had been in that store. 629 00:38:27,868 --> 00:38:30,234 I feel that he stalked her. 630 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,901 And had an infatuation with her, and she became his victim. 631 00:38:37,367 --> 00:38:41,467 On April 15, 1992, he makes his way into the store 632 00:38:41,634 --> 00:38:43,367 when he knows that she's alone. 633 00:38:45,834 --> 00:38:49,434 He confronts her. She resists him. 634 00:38:49,601 --> 00:38:52,701 He applies force, and then more force. 635 00:38:55,167 --> 00:38:58,334 He then forcibly removes her from the store, 636 00:38:58,501 --> 00:38:59,434 gets her into his car, and... 637 00:39:00,667 --> 00:39:02,033 took her down the road. 638 00:39:05,868 --> 00:39:07,734 And sexually assaulted her, 639 00:39:07,901 --> 00:39:09,067 and eventually murdered her. 640 00:39:12,834 --> 00:39:18,467 He then goes home, and he keeps this secret for 25 years. 641 00:39:18,634 --> 00:39:21,667 The only person that suspected him was his ex-wife. 642 00:39:22,868 --> 00:39:24,033 And she was right. 643 00:39:30,534 --> 00:39:33,100 This case will never, ever go away for me. 644 00:39:36,767 --> 00:39:39,634 It's impossible to not feel like you failed. 645 00:39:41,534 --> 00:39:43,868 We put him on the back burner... 646 00:39:44,033 --> 00:39:45,100 so long ago... 647 00:39:46,133 --> 00:39:47,567 and now it turns out to be him. 648 00:39:49,267 --> 00:39:52,100 Kind of a hard pill to swallow when you think about that. 649 00:39:54,567 --> 00:39:58,133 But having the case solved now makes up for a lot. 650 00:39:59,667 --> 00:40:00,734 It really does. 651 00:40:00,901 --> 00:40:04,567 And never thought as a detective, I would need 652 00:40:04,734 --> 00:40:06,267 closure, but I did, so. 653 00:40:14,267 --> 00:40:16,167 - Hi! - Hi. 654 00:40:16,334 --> 00:40:17,601 - You havin’ fun? - Oh, yeah. 655 00:40:18,267 --> 00:40:24,634 The number of things that Lisa was robbed of is almost too 656 00:40:24,801 --> 00:40:26,367 many things to contemplate. 657 00:40:28,467 --> 00:40:30,067 You know, sometimes I think it's not so much 658 00:40:30,234 --> 00:40:32,868 what she missed out on, but this world has really 659 00:40:33,033 --> 00:40:35,968 missed out on her because I think she had a lot to offer. 660 00:40:38,267 --> 00:40:39,834 I think about Lisa every day. 661 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,667 I mean, I truly do. 662 00:40:43,167 --> 00:40:44,767 They say if a person is remembered, 663 00:40:44,934 --> 00:40:46,267 they're never truly gone. 664 00:40:48,033 --> 00:40:50,734 I still go to the mall or I go shopping or I'll be 665 00:40:50,901 --> 00:40:52,734 in the grocery store and someone will come up and go... 666 00:40:54,267 --> 00:40:55,267 "You look familiar... 667 00:40:56,567 --> 00:40:57,567 You're Lisa's mother." 668 00:40:59,767 --> 00:41:00,667 That's pretty special. 669 00:41:04,434 --> 00:41:06,868 Human nature is particularly frightening. 670 00:41:07,033 --> 00:41:10,567 You can live your life in the best possible way, 671 00:41:10,734 --> 00:41:13,033 but bad things happen to nice people. 672 00:41:15,634 --> 00:41:17,968 Because there are bad people in the world.