1 00:00:09,086 --> 00:00:11,553 [Lt. Joe Kenda] Louisville, Kentucky is a big city 2 00:00:11,555 --> 00:00:14,289 and home of the famous Kentucky Derby. 3 00:00:17,661 --> 00:00:18,894 It's one o'clock in the morning 4 00:00:18,995 --> 00:00:21,463 and a fire call is reported to 911. 5 00:00:21,465 --> 00:00:22,564 [sirens wailing] 6 00:00:22,566 --> 00:00:24,232 [horns honking] 7 00:00:24,234 --> 00:00:26,868 A small apartment building is ablaze. 8 00:00:28,138 --> 00:00:29,805 The fire department responds... 9 00:00:35,345 --> 00:00:37,145 ...and they put the fire out 10 00:00:40,651 --> 00:00:42,017 [radio chatter] 11 00:00:44,088 --> 00:00:47,656 So, arson investigators respond to these major fire 12 00:00:47,658 --> 00:00:50,659 to determine exactly how this began. 13 00:00:54,865 --> 00:00:57,599 As they examine the remains of the fire, 14 00:00:57,701 --> 00:01:00,502 there are multiple ignition points in the house. 15 00:01:00,604 --> 00:01:03,071 Rags and clothing piled together. 16 00:01:03,073 --> 00:01:05,140 It becomes obvious to them 17 00:01:05,142 --> 00:01:07,676 that this fire was intentionally set. 18 00:01:08,779 --> 00:01:10,979 [firefighter] Lieutenant, come check this out. 19 00:01:15,853 --> 00:01:17,652 [Kenda] In this apartment, they discover... 20 00:01:18,856 --> 00:01:19,855 ...human remains 21 00:01:20,557 --> 00:01:22,657 Is this an accidental death? 22 00:01:22,659 --> 00:01:25,627 Is this someone who succumbe to smoke inhalation? 23 00:01:25,629 --> 00:01:28,163 Is it the person who started this fire? 24 00:01:28,165 --> 00:01:31,766 The arson investigator takes one step back and says... 25 00:01:31,768 --> 00:01:33,168 [investigator] Call Metro. 26 00:01:33,170 --> 00:01:35,303 Tell 'em to get homicide down here right away. 27 00:01:35,372 --> 00:01:36,505 [Kenda] They're not a suspec 28 00:01:36,573 --> 00:01:37,872 They're a victim. 29 00:01:39,009 --> 00:01:42,644 There is a large knife protruding from their face. 30 00:01:43,747 --> 00:01:44,846 Wow. 31 00:01:48,352 --> 00:01:51,353 I spent my career closing murder cases... 32 00:01:53,190 --> 00:01:54,789 ...but I'm not the only one 33 00:01:54,858 --> 00:01:56,158 who answered the call. 34 00:01:58,128 --> 00:02:01,696 It takes a rare breed to solve the unsolvable... 35 00:02:02,733 --> 00:02:04,599 ...to catch a ruthless kille 36 00:02:05,469 --> 00:02:07,769 to find justice for the dead 37 00:02:09,206 --> 00:02:10,772 That's what it takes 38 00:02:11,275 --> 00:02:12,107 to be 39 00:02:12,843 --> 00:02:14,376 an American detective. 40 00:02:22,386 --> 00:02:23,752 My name is Leigh Maroni. 41 00:02:25,155 --> 00:02:26,388 I'm a retired detective 42 00:02:26,456 --> 00:02:28,356 from the Louisville Metro Police Department. 43 00:02:28,358 --> 00:02:31,159 I worked there for 20 years. 44 00:02:31,161 --> 00:02:33,261 At least 11 of those were in homicide. 45 00:02:33,263 --> 00:02:37,098 I was always drawn to the process of investigations. 46 00:02:37,100 --> 00:02:39,234 Working with homicide victims, 47 00:02:39,236 --> 00:02:40,669 um, who don't have a voice, 48 00:02:40,671 --> 00:02:43,271 who can't tell you anything about what happened. 49 00:02:49,346 --> 00:02:50,845 [Kenda] Leigh Maroni, 50 00:02:50,847 --> 00:02:53,081 she started late into law enforcement. 51 00:02:53,150 --> 00:02:55,550 She was 29 when she came on the job. 52 00:02:55,552 --> 00:02:56,751 Worked hard, 53 00:02:56,753 --> 00:02:58,553 got assigned to homicide, 54 00:02:58,555 --> 00:03:02,757 was under a strong light because she was a woman. 55 00:03:02,759 --> 00:03:04,659 [Maroni] I was the only female there, 56 00:03:04,661 --> 00:03:09,264 so I always wanted to prove myself as worthy and capable. 57 00:03:09,266 --> 00:03:10,565 Uh, it's just the nature. 58 00:03:10,567 --> 00:03:13,468 At that point, I was in homicide for two years. 59 00:03:13,470 --> 00:03:15,403 Two years sounds like a long time, but you're... 60 00:03:15,472 --> 00:03:17,706 [stammers] You really are just getting started. 61 00:03:19,009 --> 00:03:20,475 [Kenda] I had rookie years, too. 62 00:03:20,944 --> 00:03:21,977 She's learning, 63 00:03:21,979 --> 00:03:24,346 and this case will teach her a lot. 64 00:03:24,982 --> 00:03:26,247 [beep] 65 00:03:26,249 --> 00:03:27,649 [dispatcher over radio] Dispatch requesting homicid 66 00:03:27,651 --> 00:03:29,351 for 100 block of Harlan Avenue. 67 00:03:29,853 --> 00:03:30,818 Copy. 68 00:03:31,755 --> 00:03:33,255 [Maroni] On this particular night, 69 00:03:33,257 --> 00:03:35,257 I was working the four to midnight shift. 70 00:03:35,259 --> 00:03:37,459 I was at the top of the lis for the next homicide, 71 00:03:38,161 --> 00:03:40,462 and I responded to the scene. 72 00:03:43,667 --> 00:03:44,666 [sirens wailing] 73 00:03:47,371 --> 00:03:48,370 [radio chatter] 74 00:03:50,007 --> 00:03:51,473 [detective] Lieutenant. 75 00:03:51,475 --> 00:03:52,474 So, what have we got here? 76 00:03:54,177 --> 00:03:56,611 We were briefed by the arson investigators 77 00:03:56,613 --> 00:03:59,247 that they had located a body within the home 78 00:03:59,249 --> 00:04:02,550 and it did appear that there was foul play involved. 79 00:04:06,556 --> 00:04:08,089 Is it safe to go in? 80 00:04:08,091 --> 00:04:11,993 Air quality isn't great, but we should be all right. 81 00:04:12,062 --> 00:04:14,396 [Kenda] Nothing worse than a fire scene. 82 00:04:14,464 --> 00:04:16,064 Even though the fire's out, 83 00:04:16,066 --> 00:04:18,066 the heat is so intense. 84 00:04:18,068 --> 00:04:20,869 It retains for long periods of time. 85 00:04:20,871 --> 00:04:22,504 [camera shutter clicks] 86 00:04:22,572 --> 00:04:24,506 So, you're perspiring heavily... 87 00:04:24,574 --> 00:04:26,141 [camera shutter clicks] 88 00:04:26,143 --> 00:04:28,877 ...and you can barely breath because of the odor. 89 00:04:35,852 --> 00:04:37,152 You never forget the odor of death. 90 00:04:37,154 --> 00:04:38,353 Ever. 91 00:04:42,559 --> 00:04:44,993 And you never forget the odor of burning flesh, 92 00:04:45,095 --> 00:04:46,394 human flesh. 93 00:04:47,864 --> 00:04:51,099 [Maroni] Arson investigator took us to the body, 94 00:04:51,101 --> 00:04:53,768 which appeared to be laying on a bed faceup. 95 00:04:54,738 --> 00:04:56,404 [investigator] Let's take a look. 96 00:05:00,977 --> 00:05:04,646 [Maroni] It's hard to determine what exactly you're looking at, 97 00:05:04,648 --> 00:05:07,749 so, uh, we had to get a little bit closer at this point. 98 00:05:07,751 --> 00:05:10,785 Although we couldn't identify facial features... 99 00:05:12,556 --> 00:05:14,389 ...there was an obvious knif 100 00:05:14,491 --> 00:05:15,757 stuck in the face. 101 00:05:19,763 --> 00:05:20,795 You ever seen anything like that? 102 00:05:23,333 --> 00:05:24,999 That was very, very unusual. 103 00:05:25,769 --> 00:05:27,635 Uh, nothing I've ever seen before, 104 00:05:27,637 --> 00:05:30,171 and certainly nothing I've ever seen since. 105 00:05:31,875 --> 00:05:33,708 [Kenda] Maroni's looking at this crime scene, 106 00:05:33,777 --> 00:05:37,545 and it also points out to he something that's important. 107 00:05:37,547 --> 00:05:39,814 This is extremely personal. 108 00:05:39,816 --> 00:05:44,886 The stabbing in the face is somebody wanting to eliminate you. 109 00:05:44,955 --> 00:05:47,155 To destroy your memory. 110 00:05:47,157 --> 00:05:51,459 It's pure hate that drives that. 111 00:05:51,461 --> 00:05:55,563 And then after that, you look at the style of the knife. 112 00:05:55,565 --> 00:05:56,965 [detective] Looks like a kitchen knife. 113 00:05:56,967 --> 00:05:58,266 [camera shutter clicks] 114 00:05:58,268 --> 00:06:00,568 [Kenda] The person there armed himself 115 00:06:00,570 --> 00:06:02,670 with a weapon of opportunity 116 00:06:02,672 --> 00:06:04,672 A kitchen knife is seized. 117 00:06:04,674 --> 00:06:07,642 He looks for it, he finds it in a drawer, whatever, 118 00:06:07,644 --> 00:06:09,344 and he attacks the victim with it. 119 00:06:10,147 --> 00:06:12,013 So, it's not a planned event 120 00:06:12,015 --> 00:06:14,449 and now, we have to unravel this. 121 00:06:14,451 --> 00:06:17,051 How did this person come to be here 122 00:06:17,053 --> 00:06:19,154 in the condition they are in? 123 00:06:20,090 --> 00:06:21,356 All right. 124 00:06:21,358 --> 00:06:23,091 Let's go take a look around and see who this guy is. 125 00:06:24,561 --> 00:06:26,361 [Maroni] In identifying this victim, uh, 126 00:06:26,363 --> 00:06:27,762 we always wanna start with, 127 00:06:27,764 --> 00:06:28,696 "Who lives here?" 128 00:06:28,765 --> 00:06:29,764 [camera shutter clicks] 129 00:06:31,168 --> 00:06:32,667 [camera shutter clicks] 130 00:06:32,669 --> 00:06:34,702 And in determining that, 131 00:06:34,804 --> 00:06:35,903 you look for mail 132 00:06:35,905 --> 00:06:38,006 and you look for personal items around the house. 133 00:06:39,176 --> 00:06:40,675 [detective] Hey, you got anything back there? 134 00:06:41,378 --> 00:06:42,377 [investigator] Not much. 135 00:06:43,647 --> 00:06:44,846 [detective] Guess that was the point. 136 00:06:46,650 --> 00:06:48,650 Based on the evidence that we saw at the crime scene 137 00:06:48,652 --> 00:06:51,653 with pages of books being torn out 138 00:06:51,655 --> 00:06:53,955 and scattered about the room in general, 139 00:06:53,957 --> 00:06:57,158 it wouldn't happen that way unless it was deliberate. 140 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,661 This is a concealment fire. 141 00:06:59,663 --> 00:07:02,096 Concealment fires are set by perpetrators 142 00:07:02,098 --> 00:07:04,899 to try to destroy evidence and destroy a body, 143 00:07:04,968 --> 00:07:08,269 which is incredibly difficult to do. 144 00:07:08,271 --> 00:07:13,208 You're trying to scratch up the dirt to cover up the evidence of your sins, 145 00:07:13,276 --> 00:07:14,242 and it's not gonna work. 146 00:07:14,678 --> 00:07:15,777 It never does. 147 00:07:19,249 --> 00:07:20,882 [investigator] Hey, Sarge? 148 00:07:20,984 --> 00:07:22,550 -[detective] Yeah? -[investigator] Check this out. 149 00:07:24,154 --> 00:07:26,754 Fortunately, not everything was destroyed. 150 00:07:27,858 --> 00:07:30,758 We located a black book 151 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,561 that waiters typically carry in restaurants. 152 00:07:33,563 --> 00:07:35,897 I waited tables. I recognized it immediately 153 00:07:38,068 --> 00:07:40,168 All right, let's get this bagged for evidence. 154 00:07:44,774 --> 00:07:45,839 [siren wailing] 155 00:07:47,577 --> 00:07:51,346 So, when Maroni is inside examining the scene, 156 00:07:51,348 --> 00:07:54,549 a very concerned citizen shows up outside. 157 00:07:55,452 --> 00:07:56,718 -[officer] Sir. -[man] What's going on? 158 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,353 Sir, I can't let you in here. This is a restricted area. 159 00:07:58,355 --> 00:07:59,354 This is my place. 160 00:08:01,358 --> 00:08:02,490 My name's Daryl Benzel. 161 00:08:02,559 --> 00:08:05,260 My wife and I, we own about three homes. 162 00:08:05,262 --> 00:08:06,794 Four units altogether. 163 00:08:06,896 --> 00:08:09,697 Uh, Harlan Avenue was one of our first. 164 00:08:10,433 --> 00:08:11,933 That night, 165 00:08:11,935 --> 00:08:15,069 my neighbor called to tell u that our house was on fire, 166 00:08:15,071 --> 00:08:18,573 so I rushed over there and it was a devastating sight. 167 00:08:18,575 --> 00:08:19,607 You gotta tell me what's going on. 168 00:08:19,676 --> 00:08:20,775 Is there anyone inside? 169 00:08:21,645 --> 00:08:22,644 [Benzel] And he's, like, "Yes," 170 00:08:22,646 --> 00:08:24,078 and I said, "Well, is he dead?" 171 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:25,747 And he's, like, "Yes, he's dead," 172 00:08:25,749 --> 00:08:27,248 and I'm, like, "Oh, lord." 173 00:08:28,652 --> 00:08:29,684 [radio chatter] 174 00:08:30,787 --> 00:08:32,754 And at about that time, I saw Leigh. 175 00:08:33,857 --> 00:08:34,889 Daryl? 176 00:08:34,958 --> 00:08:36,758 [radio chatter] 177 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,260 I said, "Hey, Daryl. What brings you here?" 178 00:08:39,262 --> 00:08:43,164 And he informed me at that point that he owned the house. 179 00:08:43,166 --> 00:08:45,466 [Benzel] I knew her father and brother, and then I... 180 00:08:45,468 --> 00:08:48,670 I met Leigh and we developed a friendship. 181 00:08:48,672 --> 00:08:51,639 [Maroni] It's rare that you know a person as a witness, 182 00:08:51,641 --> 00:08:53,942 so it was unusual for me to see him, 183 00:08:53,944 --> 00:08:55,944 but once I did, I thought, "Well, great!" 184 00:08:55,946 --> 00:08:58,646 You know, I know him. He'll be comfortable speaking with me. 185 00:08:58,648 --> 00:09:01,549 Um, I could probably get a lot of information from him. 186 00:09:02,852 --> 00:09:04,485 How many people live here? 187 00:09:04,554 --> 00:09:07,055 Just one. The rest of the units are all vacant. 188 00:09:07,057 --> 00:09:08,089 Do you have a name? 189 00:09:08,592 --> 00:09:09,657 Yeah, it's Eddie. 190 00:09:11,995 --> 00:09:13,161 It's Eddie Poynter. 191 00:09:15,365 --> 00:09:19,000 I immediately recognized the name, 192 00:09:19,002 --> 00:09:25,073 and this was a person that I had actually met several months prior to this incident. 193 00:09:26,576 --> 00:09:28,476 [Kenda] She looks back at these charred remains 194 00:09:28,578 --> 00:09:30,078 with a blade through its face... 195 00:09:31,247 --> 00:09:33,381 ...and says, "God, Eddie, what happened to you?" 196 00:09:36,353 --> 00:09:37,352 [sirens wailing] 197 00:09:38,254 --> 00:09:40,154 [radio chatter] 198 00:09:42,592 --> 00:09:46,494 [Kenda] It's bad enough to look at a stranger who's been violently killed. 199 00:09:48,765 --> 00:09:52,300 To look at somebody you know and you knew in life, 200 00:09:52,369 --> 00:09:54,268 it's just the worst feeling 201 00:09:55,972 --> 00:09:57,472 [investigator] How'd you know this guy, anyway? 202 00:09:59,309 --> 00:10:00,675 [detective] He's friends with my brother. 203 00:10:02,946 --> 00:10:04,712 I actually met him not that long ago. 204 00:10:08,251 --> 00:10:11,185 [Maroni] He was waiting tables in a restaurant called Cunningham's, 205 00:10:11,287 --> 00:10:14,088 and my brother and I happened to be eating there, 206 00:10:14,090 --> 00:10:17,158 and, uh, Eddie stopped by to say hello to my brother. 207 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,995 I just know that Eddie made a big impact on my brother. 208 00:10:22,766 --> 00:10:24,098 [detective] They were in A.A. together. 209 00:10:25,001 --> 00:10:26,567 [Kenda] Eddie Poynter, 210 00:10:26,569 --> 00:10:30,104 he's had a long history of suffering from substance abuse, 211 00:10:30,106 --> 00:10:31,572 both alcohol and drugs. 212 00:10:31,574 --> 00:10:33,441 He joined Alcoholics Anonymous. 213 00:10:33,443 --> 00:10:35,443 The A.A. program is all about 214 00:10:35,445 --> 00:10:37,745 helping someone get and stay sober, 215 00:10:37,747 --> 00:10:39,647 and so, in this case, 216 00:10:39,649 --> 00:10:42,083 he had been sober quite a while. 217 00:10:42,085 --> 00:10:45,453 Eddie was trying to get himself together, 218 00:10:45,455 --> 00:10:48,523 to be, uh, a lot more responsible. 219 00:10:48,525 --> 00:10:50,091 He tried to help others. 220 00:10:50,093 --> 00:10:52,894 He became a sponsor for dozens of people. 221 00:10:52,962 --> 00:10:54,462 He has done a lot 222 00:10:54,464 --> 00:10:56,631 to come back from the abyss 223 00:10:56,633 --> 00:10:58,499 that he was about to fall into. 224 00:10:58,568 --> 00:11:00,702 Every homicide victim I've encountered, I... 225 00:11:00,803 --> 00:11:02,904 [stammers] I did not know. I knew nothing about them. 226 00:11:03,873 --> 00:11:06,441 So, this was an unusual case for me 227 00:11:06,443 --> 00:11:08,342 knowing that he had an impac 228 00:11:08,344 --> 00:11:11,145 a very positive impact on... On people's lives, 229 00:11:11,147 --> 00:11:16,851 and it really did change my view of victims from then on. 230 00:11:16,853 --> 00:11:20,188 I didn't look at my victims as numbers. 231 00:11:20,289 --> 00:11:21,556 They just became human. 232 00:11:30,567 --> 00:11:33,668 One of the first things we do in a homicide investigation 233 00:11:33,670 --> 00:11:35,503 is what's called a neighborhood canvass... 234 00:11:35,572 --> 00:11:36,604 [knocking on door] 235 00:11:36,706 --> 00:11:39,373 ...to see what the neighbors saw, 236 00:11:39,375 --> 00:11:40,575 what they heard, what they know. 237 00:11:41,778 --> 00:11:43,144 -[detective] Morning, ma'am. -[woman] Hi. 238 00:11:43,146 --> 00:11:44,679 -Can I help you? -[detective] Metro PD. 239 00:11:44,748 --> 00:11:46,581 Was hoping you could answer some questions for me. 240 00:11:46,649 --> 00:11:47,982 [woman] Yeah, sure. 241 00:11:48,084 --> 00:11:49,751 I worked for the Louisville Metro Police Department 242 00:11:49,753 --> 00:11:52,653 for 22 years before I retired. 243 00:11:52,655 --> 00:11:54,822 Sometimes you have certain cases that really pique your interest, 244 00:11:54,824 --> 00:11:56,991 and this is one of those cases. 245 00:11:57,060 --> 00:11:59,260 Have a fire that somebody tried to light 246 00:11:59,262 --> 00:12:00,361 and cover up a death. 247 00:12:00,363 --> 00:12:02,830 When you have a knife stabbed to the face, 248 00:12:02,832 --> 00:12:04,098 I mean, it's just aggression. 249 00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:06,000 Uncontrolled aggression. 250 00:12:06,102 --> 00:12:07,401 And it's... [stammers] It's scary. 251 00:12:08,772 --> 00:12:09,904 -Morning, ma'am. -[woman] Hello. 252 00:12:09,973 --> 00:12:11,171 Metro PD. 253 00:12:11,173 --> 00:12:12,774 [Det. Jeff Wheeler] We went and did our canvass 254 00:12:12,776 --> 00:12:14,842 Uh, we spoke with several people. 255 00:12:14,844 --> 00:12:17,745 They said that Eddie, you know, he was a nice guy. 256 00:12:17,747 --> 00:12:19,247 He worked. 257 00:12:19,249 --> 00:12:21,749 I mean, I didn't hear a bad thing about him at all 258 00:12:21,751 --> 00:12:24,385 There was nothing out there that would have caused 259 00:12:24,487 --> 00:12:25,853 somebody to come after him and kill him. 260 00:12:25,855 --> 00:12:27,121 [sirens wailing] 261 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,959 [Maroni] Because the injurie were to the face, 262 00:12:31,961 --> 00:12:35,863 I wasn't convinced that the knife wound itself was the cause of death. 263 00:12:35,865 --> 00:12:40,468 You're not gonna die if somebody plants a knife blade under your cheekbone. 264 00:12:40,470 --> 00:12:44,906 The odds are, you're gonna survive that 99 times out of 100. 265 00:12:44,974 --> 00:12:47,542 [Maroni] So, we needed to wait for the autopsy 266 00:12:47,544 --> 00:12:50,745 to give use the understanding of what exactly caused, uh, 267 00:12:50,747 --> 00:12:51,746 the victim's death. 268 00:12:55,652 --> 00:12:56,984 [detective] So, what are we looking at? 269 00:12:58,054 --> 00:13:00,254 [examiner] Well, his lungs are clear, 270 00:13:00,256 --> 00:13:02,957 so it wasn't the smoke inhalation that killed him. 271 00:13:02,959 --> 00:13:04,091 Take a look at this. 272 00:13:06,863 --> 00:13:08,663 [Kenda] Stab wounds are discovered. 273 00:13:08,665 --> 00:13:10,097 Multiple wounds 274 00:13:10,099 --> 00:13:12,333 through the lungs, through the liver, 275 00:13:12,335 --> 00:13:14,402 through the abdominal aorta 276 00:13:14,470 --> 00:13:16,003 all over the place. 277 00:13:16,005 --> 00:13:18,172 A blitz attack with a knife. 278 00:13:18,174 --> 00:13:20,741 Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab 279 00:13:20,743 --> 00:13:23,277 and the final blow is the one in the face. 280 00:13:25,014 --> 00:13:26,848 [Maroni] Homicide 101 is, 281 00:13:26,850 --> 00:13:29,250 you know, any type of overkill situation 282 00:13:29,252 --> 00:13:31,752 or violence to that degree 283 00:13:31,754 --> 00:13:33,654 has an emotional component to it. 284 00:13:33,656 --> 00:13:37,291 Maybe he had a relationship with this person. 285 00:13:37,393 --> 00:13:39,093 Maybe he was a friend. 286 00:13:39,095 --> 00:13:41,195 So, you start from there and you work out. 287 00:13:44,767 --> 00:13:46,267 [sirens wailing] 288 00:13:49,772 --> 00:13:53,608 So, it's now to the point to where Maroni has to notify the family 289 00:13:53,676 --> 00:13:55,743 of Mr. Poynter's untimely demise. 290 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,547 She identifies a person, Faye Brown... 291 00:14:00,550 --> 00:14:03,851 ...who is the mother to Mr. Poynter. 292 00:14:03,853 --> 00:14:06,888 His mom lived in, uh, a different city in... In Kentucky. 293 00:14:06,989 --> 00:14:10,157 They were a very close-knit family. 294 00:14:10,159 --> 00:14:11,759 [mother crying] He didn't deserve this! 295 00:14:12,829 --> 00:14:14,462 [Kenda] Brown tells Maroni 296 00:14:14,464 --> 00:14:17,698 Mr. Poynter was born and raised in a small town in Kentucky 297 00:14:17,767 --> 00:14:20,501 and that Eddie is gay. 298 00:14:20,603 --> 00:14:22,803 Initially, when Eddie Poynter was young, 299 00:14:22,905 --> 00:14:25,072 he had a child with a woman 300 00:14:25,074 --> 00:14:28,342 and didn't come out as gay until later in his life. 301 00:14:28,344 --> 00:14:30,144 He grew up in Edmonton, Kentucky. 302 00:14:30,146 --> 00:14:32,280 It's part of the Bible Belt 303 00:14:32,381 --> 00:14:34,548 and probably, at that time when he was growing up, 304 00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:37,852 it's something you didn't come out and say. 305 00:14:37,854 --> 00:14:42,456 [Kenda] Mr. Poynter felt it was important to move into a big city 306 00:14:42,458 --> 00:14:45,393 where there's a possibility of a more favorable environment 307 00:14:45,461 --> 00:14:46,794 for those who are homosexual. 308 00:14:46,862 --> 00:14:50,498 So, he elected to move to Louisville for that reason. 309 00:14:50,533 --> 00:14:53,467 Coming to the city, yes, he found a lot more opportunity 310 00:14:53,469 --> 00:14:57,672 to be happy or find other people that he wanted to be with. 311 00:15:01,644 --> 00:15:03,010 [sirens wailing] 312 00:15:04,547 --> 00:15:06,981 [Maroni] So, at this point, what we want to find out is 313 00:15:06,983 --> 00:15:09,550 who is responsible for Eddie's murder. 314 00:15:09,552 --> 00:15:12,887 Did Eddie have any significant relationships? 315 00:15:12,956 --> 00:15:15,256 What... Is he dating anybody? 316 00:15:15,258 --> 00:15:17,191 Who are his closest friends? 317 00:15:17,260 --> 00:15:18,292 [phones ringing] 318 00:15:18,294 --> 00:15:20,394 Once notification is made to the family, 319 00:15:20,997 --> 00:15:22,463 news spreads quickly. 320 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:25,099 [barge horn sounds] 321 00:15:31,441 --> 00:15:34,575 I was contacted by Garry Perry. 322 00:15:34,677 --> 00:15:37,144 He was very close friends with Eddie, 323 00:15:37,146 --> 00:15:39,680 and that if there was any information that he could provide, 324 00:15:39,782 --> 00:15:41,048 he wanted to assist in this 325 00:15:41,050 --> 00:15:43,551 because Eddie was so dear to him. 326 00:15:43,553 --> 00:15:47,355 This is where we'd usually see Eddie. 327 00:15:47,357 --> 00:15:50,758 Poynter had a favorite spot where he liked to go. 328 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,762 [Maroni] It was a small, hole-in-the-wall gay bar, uh, downtown. 329 00:15:54,764 --> 00:15:56,564 A little bit more homey than a... 330 00:15:56,566 --> 00:15:58,366 Than a busy dance bar. 331 00:15:59,268 --> 00:16:00,768 Eddie was real quiet. 332 00:16:00,770 --> 00:16:02,269 He didn't drink. 333 00:16:02,271 --> 00:16:06,007 He just came for the company. 334 00:16:06,009 --> 00:16:09,977 Garry said Eddie didn't socialize a lot, 335 00:16:09,979 --> 00:16:14,949 that he wasn't necessarily in a romantic relationship with anybody seriously. 336 00:16:14,951 --> 00:16:18,886 The only person I ever see Eddie with was Blaine. 337 00:16:20,156 --> 00:16:22,790 Garry explains that one of Poynter's best friends 338 00:16:22,892 --> 00:16:26,594 is a 73-year-old man who is also gay 339 00:16:26,662 --> 00:16:28,863 whose name is Blaine Thacker. 340 00:16:30,867 --> 00:16:35,069 Eddie and Blaine were... Were both gay men in the restaurant industry 341 00:16:35,071 --> 00:16:36,504 and worked odd hours, 342 00:16:36,605 --> 00:16:39,607 and I think they just struck up a friendship. 343 00:16:39,708 --> 00:16:41,175 Just very, very good friends. 344 00:16:42,078 --> 00:16:44,979 I think Blaine took care of Eddie. 345 00:16:44,981 --> 00:16:47,281 When he was hard on his luck 346 00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:49,150 Eddie lived with Blaine for a little bit, 347 00:16:49,152 --> 00:16:50,184 or on and off. 348 00:16:50,253 --> 00:16:53,254 Maroni says, "Okay, so Blaine Thacker. 349 00:16:53,256 --> 00:16:54,655 Have you seen him lately?" 350 00:16:54,657 --> 00:16:57,358 Come to think of it, he hasn't been in here lately, either. 351 00:16:58,394 --> 00:16:59,760 [detective] Is that unusual for him? 352 00:17:01,964 --> 00:17:04,198 Yeah, I'd say it is. 353 00:17:04,267 --> 00:17:08,169 When someone is doing something that's beyond their usual activity 354 00:17:08,171 --> 00:17:10,971 and they're associated with a homicide victim, 355 00:17:10,973 --> 00:17:12,406 that's a little worrisome. 356 00:17:12,508 --> 00:17:15,843 Why are you not in here like you always are? 357 00:17:15,845 --> 00:17:17,344 And your friend is dead. 358 00:17:17,346 --> 00:17:18,746 Did you have something to do with it? 359 00:17:22,785 --> 00:17:24,452 [detective] Sueanna Masterson? 360 00:17:24,454 --> 00:17:25,853 -Hi. -[detective] Hey, Detective Leigh Maroni. 361 00:17:25,855 --> 00:17:28,089 They go to the restaurant where Blaine Thacker works 362 00:17:28,091 --> 00:17:31,092 and find out some very interesting information. 363 00:17:31,193 --> 00:17:34,695 I was looking for one of your cooks, Blaine Thacker. 364 00:17:34,763 --> 00:17:37,364 [Masterson] I'm co-owner of Masterson's Catering, 365 00:17:37,366 --> 00:17:39,567 third generation family business. 366 00:17:39,569 --> 00:17:43,504 Blaine worked for us for around 30 years, 367 00:17:43,606 --> 00:17:48,642 and we were very concerned, uh, when he didn't show up. 368 00:17:48,644 --> 00:17:50,077 Blaine was always there, 369 00:17:50,079 --> 00:17:51,445 always on time. 370 00:17:51,881 --> 00:17:53,147 He was early. 371 00:17:53,149 --> 00:17:55,583 Uh, we called his house. No one answered. 372 00:17:57,053 --> 00:17:59,453 We just kinda gave it benefit of the doubt, 373 00:17:59,455 --> 00:18:01,255 maybe he'll show up later, 374 00:18:01,257 --> 00:18:02,957 but the second day he didn't show up, 375 00:18:02,959 --> 00:18:04,758 we knew there was something wrong. 376 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,260 So, your best friend is dead 377 00:18:06,262 --> 00:18:07,561 and you're suddenly in the wind. 378 00:18:07,663 --> 00:18:09,163 Well, we're getting warmer. 379 00:18:15,571 --> 00:18:17,104 [knocking at door] 380 00:18:17,173 --> 00:18:18,772 [detective 1] Mr. Thacker, are you in there? 381 00:18:20,176 --> 00:18:21,976 It's Metro PD. Open up! 382 00:18:21,978 --> 00:18:23,244 [Wheeler] It was concerning to us, 383 00:18:23,246 --> 00:18:26,247 and so we went over to the apartment 384 00:18:26,249 --> 00:18:28,649 and had the manager open up the door for us. 385 00:18:33,589 --> 00:18:34,588 [radio chatter] 386 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:39,059 We went into the apartment. 387 00:18:43,366 --> 00:18:44,999 [detective 2] Mr. Thacker? 388 00:18:45,067 --> 00:18:46,200 We went into the back room... 389 00:18:53,976 --> 00:18:55,242 [camera shutter clicks] 390 00:18:55,244 --> 00:18:56,944 [Wheeler] ...and there was a bunch of blankets. 391 00:18:58,848 --> 00:19:00,247 So, you could see he was already... 392 00:19:00,883 --> 00:19:01,849 He was dead. 393 00:19:06,889 --> 00:19:08,756 Once we removed all the blankets... 394 00:19:11,060 --> 00:19:14,395 ...it was obvious that he had been stabbed numerous times. 395 00:19:16,532 --> 00:19:17,665 [camera shutter clicks] 396 00:19:18,601 --> 00:19:20,668 [Kenda] It's this very similar method 397 00:19:20,670 --> 00:19:22,903 as to what is seen in Mr. Poynter. 398 00:19:22,972 --> 00:19:24,572 It is a blitz attack. 399 00:19:24,574 --> 00:19:28,676 Mr. Thacker has inordinate stab wounds in the chest, 400 00:19:28,777 --> 00:19:30,678 more than sufficient to kill him. 401 00:19:30,779 --> 00:19:32,846 My jaw just kinda dropped and it hit the floor. 402 00:19:32,848 --> 00:19:36,850 The last thing I expected to hear was that we have another victim. 403 00:19:36,852 --> 00:19:39,186 It's not a coincidence. 404 00:19:39,255 --> 00:19:41,155 There's no such thing as coincidence. 405 00:19:48,564 --> 00:19:52,066 [Kenda] Louisville Metro homicide detective Leigh Maroni 406 00:19:52,068 --> 00:19:55,603 has two homicide victims in the same night. 407 00:19:55,671 --> 00:19:58,172 Both have been brutally stabbed in the same manner. 408 00:19:58,975 --> 00:19:59,974 [camera shutter clicks] 409 00:20:00,443 --> 00:20:02,042 Could they be related? 410 00:20:03,546 --> 00:20:06,547 [Maroni] It's not uncommon to have two murders in the same night, 411 00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:10,551 but it is uncommon to have them in such close proximity 412 00:20:10,553 --> 00:20:12,953 and the victims to be very good friends 413 00:20:12,955 --> 00:20:15,389 and to have a similar lifestyle. 414 00:20:15,491 --> 00:20:17,758 Both Eddie and Blaine were gay men 415 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:18,993 in the restaurant industry. 416 00:20:22,465 --> 00:20:25,966 [Kenda] So, we have a multip victim homicide case 417 00:20:25,968 --> 00:20:28,102 and two separate events. 418 00:20:28,170 --> 00:20:30,971 Now, we're talking about a very dangerous killer 419 00:20:30,973 --> 00:20:34,241 who is not in custody and not even identified. 420 00:20:34,243 --> 00:20:36,443 I mean, if he'd killed two... 421 00:20:36,445 --> 00:20:38,445 [stammers] Were there other bodies elsewhere? 422 00:20:38,447 --> 00:20:40,381 It really made us very concerned 423 00:20:40,449 --> 00:20:42,583 for the safety of other people in the city, 424 00:20:42,652 --> 00:20:45,552 and so it really kinda kicked up our case to a different level. 425 00:20:45,554 --> 00:20:46,987 We had to get this guy. 426 00:20:47,056 --> 00:20:48,055 [phone ringing] 427 00:20:51,861 --> 00:20:53,260 Maroni. 428 00:20:53,262 --> 00:20:55,763 [Kenda] Detective Maroni gets a call from her partne 429 00:20:55,765 --> 00:20:57,398 who's still at the first crime scene 430 00:20:57,466 --> 00:20:59,466 who says he's found a witness there 431 00:20:59,468 --> 00:21:01,502 that he would like Maroni to speak to. 432 00:21:02,471 --> 00:21:04,171 -Hey, you got this? -Yeah. 433 00:21:05,675 --> 00:21:07,808 So, she immediately goes back to the scene. 434 00:21:07,843 --> 00:21:08,842 [sirens wailing] 435 00:21:16,752 --> 00:21:17,985 -Hey, Sarge? -[detective] Mmm-hmm? 436 00:21:17,987 --> 00:21:19,853 This guy says he's looking for a friend of his. 437 00:21:21,090 --> 00:21:23,157 [Maroni] The subject's name was Charles Mullins, 438 00:21:23,159 --> 00:21:26,093 and Mr. Mullins stated that he had a friend 439 00:21:26,095 --> 00:21:29,997 that had been staying in the apartment with Eddie Poynter. 440 00:21:30,099 --> 00:21:32,099 [Kenda] This is a shock to Maroni. 441 00:21:32,101 --> 00:21:33,834 'Cause as far as she knows, 442 00:21:33,836 --> 00:21:36,637 Eddie Poynter was the only person living in this place. 443 00:21:36,639 --> 00:21:38,271 Who's your friend? 444 00:21:38,273 --> 00:21:42,643 He identified his friend as someone he grew up with in Ashland, Kentucky. 445 00:21:42,645 --> 00:21:44,345 And his name was Dale Moneypenny. 446 00:21:44,347 --> 00:21:47,748 He stated that Dale had a friend or a girlfriend, 447 00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:50,684 um, that was also there named Jennifer Smith. 448 00:21:50,786 --> 00:21:55,356 -His girlfriend was staying here too? -Yeah. As far as I know. 449 00:21:55,358 --> 00:21:58,258 He says he just met that girl, Jennifer. 450 00:21:58,260 --> 00:22:01,795 "I don't know her very well. She goes to college, I think." 451 00:22:01,897 --> 00:22:03,397 I heard about the fire. 452 00:22:04,166 --> 00:22:05,499 Are they okay? 453 00:22:05,567 --> 00:22:07,468 Well, they weren't in there. 454 00:22:10,339 --> 00:22:13,107 -Hey, sarge, you got a second? -Yeah. Hey, do you mind finishing up? 455 00:22:13,109 --> 00:22:15,042 The arson investigator came out 456 00:22:15,044 --> 00:22:19,246 and said, "Hey, we were goin through some of the debris in the house, 457 00:22:19,248 --> 00:22:20,848 and we did find this notebook. 458 00:22:20,850 --> 00:22:24,685 And, uh, I don't know if you guys want it or not, but it has a name in it. 459 00:22:24,754 --> 00:22:26,687 Um, Jennifer Smith." 460 00:22:26,756 --> 00:22:31,992 The same name that our witness says he believes is Moneypenny's girlfriend. 461 00:22:31,994 --> 00:22:34,795 So now we have some evidence that Jennifer Smit 462 00:22:34,864 --> 00:22:37,564 at least had some of her possessions in this apartment. 463 00:22:38,267 --> 00:22:39,566 -Thank you. -You're welcome. 464 00:22:40,569 --> 00:22:42,970 So now, Maroni is faced with a dilemma. 465 00:22:42,972 --> 00:22:44,505 Who are these people? 466 00:22:44,606 --> 00:22:47,641 How well do they know Mr. Poynter? 467 00:22:47,643 --> 00:22:49,276 Are they involved in this? 468 00:22:49,378 --> 00:22:52,546 Or are they just not home when the fire occurs? 469 00:22:52,548 --> 00:22:54,081 It could be either one. 470 00:22:54,083 --> 00:22:56,049 But we need to find them. 471 00:22:56,051 --> 00:22:57,885 [Maroni] At that point, we know Jennifer Smith. 472 00:22:57,953 --> 00:22:59,420 That's it. Very common name 473 00:22:59,422 --> 00:23:00,988 It's like a needle in a haystack. 474 00:23:00,990 --> 00:23:03,457 Jennifer Smith isn't gonna be simple to find. 475 00:23:03,459 --> 00:23:05,092 But Mr. Moneypenny might be. 476 00:23:05,161 --> 00:23:07,094 How many Moneypennys are there? 477 00:23:07,096 --> 00:23:08,996 Probably not many. 478 00:23:17,807 --> 00:23:20,741 So Detective Maroni runs the name through the system 479 00:23:20,743 --> 00:23:22,876 and all the lights brighten up. 480 00:23:22,945 --> 00:23:25,979 We were able to pull a picture of Mr. Moneypenny. 481 00:23:25,981 --> 00:23:27,915 He was young, he was attractive. 482 00:23:27,917 --> 00:23:29,750 Piercing blue eyes. 483 00:23:29,752 --> 00:23:31,185 But he had a criminal histor 484 00:23:31,286 --> 00:23:32,686 He liked to steal things. 485 00:23:32,788 --> 00:23:34,555 He liked to run from the police. 486 00:23:34,557 --> 00:23:37,991 He liked to resist arrest. He liked to assault people. 487 00:23:37,993 --> 00:23:42,596 Also, they discover that he has a car registered to him. 488 00:23:42,665 --> 00:23:45,599 All that we know is that he drives a black Honda Accord. 489 00:23:45,701 --> 00:23:47,801 And he's originally from Ashland. 490 00:23:50,172 --> 00:23:54,107 So we made notifications to the police department in Ashland, Kentucky. 491 00:23:54,143 --> 00:23:59,346 We did put a flag to our NCIC system that if this license plate 492 00:23:59,348 --> 00:24:02,850 or this vehicle is seen, we are looking for this individual. 493 00:24:11,794 --> 00:24:14,361 A few days later, the car was located 494 00:24:14,363 --> 00:24:16,096 by the Louisville Metro Police Department. 495 00:24:16,165 --> 00:24:18,599 It was brought in for processing. 496 00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:21,635 That was found abandoned on a city street in Louisville 497 00:24:21,637 --> 00:24:24,204 and was towed away as an abandoned motor vehicle. 498 00:24:24,306 --> 00:24:28,175 They still can't find Moneypenny, but they have found his car. 499 00:24:28,277 --> 00:24:31,745 And that car could lead them somewhere, so let's go see what's in it. 500 00:24:34,083 --> 00:24:35,649 Jesus, what a mess. 501 00:24:37,820 --> 00:24:42,322 [Kenda] They look inside and they see drug paraphernalia, 502 00:24:42,324 --> 00:24:44,358 crack pipes that have been used, 503 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:47,995 burned spoons, all that sort of thing. 504 00:24:47,997 --> 00:24:50,597 Now we have a whole new ballgame. 505 00:24:50,699 --> 00:24:55,068 Drug people will do anything to get their hands on drugs. 506 00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:57,404 Will they kill? Yeah, they will. 507 00:24:57,472 --> 00:25:00,107 Will they set fire to a place? Of course. 508 00:25:00,109 --> 00:25:04,177 It's playing Russian roulette with five cylinders loaded instead of one. 509 00:25:07,082 --> 00:25:12,085 [Maroni] The fact that the c was located empty, uh, told me that Dale 510 00:25:12,187 --> 00:25:15,255 either took a Greyhound bus he's stolen a vehicle, 511 00:25:15,257 --> 00:25:18,392 or he's, uh, hooked up with a ride out of town. 512 00:25:19,662 --> 00:25:23,096 [Kenda] Dale is in the wind so where is Jennifer? 513 00:25:23,165 --> 00:25:25,899 What does she know about this or have to do with it? 514 00:25:25,968 --> 00:25:28,368 We don't know. We don't know. 515 00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:31,271 That common name is a complication. 516 00:25:42,051 --> 00:25:43,517 Did you see this? 517 00:25:47,222 --> 00:25:51,258 [Kenda] So this notebook ha the name Jennifer Smith on i 518 00:25:51,260 --> 00:25:52,693 But it also has the name of the school. 519 00:25:54,763 --> 00:25:57,464 So Maroni's detectives contact the school. 520 00:25:57,466 --> 00:25:59,266 [woman on phone] Office of admissions. 521 00:25:59,268 --> 00:26:01,868 Yeah, Metro PD. I was hoping I could ask you a few questions. 522 00:26:01,870 --> 00:26:04,104 "Do you have a student named Jennifer Smith?" 523 00:26:04,139 --> 00:26:05,372 "Yes we do." 524 00:26:05,374 --> 00:26:07,341 "Does she live in Louisville, Kentucky?" 525 00:26:07,343 --> 00:26:09,009 "No, she does not." 526 00:26:09,011 --> 00:26:11,878 [Maroni] We were ultimately able to determine that Jennifer Smith 527 00:26:11,980 --> 00:26:15,048 was staying with her mother over in Jeffersonville, Indiana. 528 00:26:16,852 --> 00:26:20,587 [Kenda] So they send the local authorities in Indiana to her home 529 00:26:20,656 --> 00:26:22,856 to see if they can make contact. 530 00:26:22,858 --> 00:26:24,591 They don't find her there. 531 00:26:24,660 --> 00:26:29,463 So we are on the lookout in Indiana for Jennifer Smith. 532 00:26:29,465 --> 00:26:33,500 The elusive girlfriend of the even more elusive Mr. Moneypenny. 533 00:26:33,602 --> 00:26:37,070 She is at a minimum an important witness in this case. 534 00:26:42,778 --> 00:26:45,445 [cell phone ringing] 535 00:26:46,448 --> 00:26:47,914 Maroni. 536 00:26:47,916 --> 00:26:53,320 A few days later, I got a call that Jennifer Smith had reached out 537 00:26:53,322 --> 00:26:55,856 to another police department in Indiana, saying that she 538 00:26:55,858 --> 00:26:58,659 knew that the Louisville Metro Police Department was looking for her. 539 00:26:58,661 --> 00:27:00,394 She goes, "I wanna clear my conscience. 540 00:27:00,462 --> 00:27:02,362 I wanna make this right." 541 00:27:02,364 --> 00:27:04,998 Okay. I'll be right there. 542 00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:07,567 [Wheeler] Once you get a cal like that, you drop what you're doing. 543 00:27:13,242 --> 00:27:16,977 [Kenda] Jennifer Smith is a roommate to someone 544 00:27:17,046 --> 00:27:21,148 who has been murdered and then set on fire. 545 00:27:21,150 --> 00:27:26,553 She has a boyfriend who abandoned a car filled with drug paraphernalia 546 00:27:26,555 --> 00:27:29,389 that she undoubtedly has been riding in. 547 00:27:29,425 --> 00:27:34,995 And she has now crossed a state line into Indiana to get away from all of this 548 00:27:34,997 --> 00:27:38,365 Well, that amounts to something she has to explain. 549 00:27:38,367 --> 00:27:40,367 Let's see if she can. 550 00:27:47,876 --> 00:27:51,578 Jennifer Smith has an explanation of some size 551 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,180 that she has to come up with. 552 00:27:53,182 --> 00:27:56,049 [Wheeler] We weren't sure if she was there at the homicide. 553 00:27:56,051 --> 00:28:00,954 But we knew that she had some type of involvement in the case. 554 00:28:00,956 --> 00:28:05,892 Why don't you start by telli me about your relationship with Dale Moneypenny? 555 00:28:05,961 --> 00:28:08,962 Well, he sort of just came out of nowhere. 556 00:28:10,699 --> 00:28:16,103 Jennifer explains that she initially is overwhelmed by his beauty. 557 00:28:18,674 --> 00:28:21,007 That Moneypenny is so pretty 558 00:28:21,076 --> 00:28:24,978 And she never had a boyfriend like this before 559 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,849 She'd only known him about 10 days, uh, prior to this. 560 00:28:28,851 --> 00:28:32,152 They kinda met, like, on the street. 561 00:28:32,154 --> 00:28:33,987 Brought together by drugs and alcohol. 562 00:28:35,591 --> 00:28:38,325 And were both kind of living this same lifestyle and they bonded. 563 00:28:38,327 --> 00:28:41,828 He told her that they're gonna go on a crime spree. 564 00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:44,264 He's gonna con people out of their money. 565 00:28:46,201 --> 00:28:52,773 He explains to her he has this method by which he use his appearance and his yout 566 00:28:52,775 --> 00:28:55,976 to make himself attractive to homosexual men. 567 00:28:56,044 --> 00:28:57,778 Because he knows he is. 568 00:28:58,647 --> 00:29:01,148 What he wants is their money 569 00:29:01,150 --> 00:29:05,585 And they're just gonna buy drugs, and have a good time and party on. 570 00:29:06,822 --> 00:29:08,989 They're gonna be the new Bonnie and Clyde. 571 00:29:09,090 --> 00:29:12,592 That sounds like one hell of an idea to her. 572 00:29:16,698 --> 00:29:18,465 [Maroni] I don't think this was her nature. 573 00:29:18,467 --> 00:29:20,867 She doesn't have a criminal history. 574 00:29:20,869 --> 00:29:25,005 But I think she just got roped into something by a gu 575 00:29:25,106 --> 00:29:28,408 who had some control over her. 576 00:29:28,476 --> 00:29:31,778 So how did the two of you end up hooking up with Eddie 577 00:29:31,847 --> 00:29:34,247 We met Eddie at a gay bar. 578 00:29:34,249 --> 00:29:39,986 We needed a place to crash, so he let us stay with him for a few nights. 579 00:29:39,988 --> 00:29:42,155 How long are you gonna be in town? 580 00:29:42,157 --> 00:29:44,958 [Maroni] They met Eddie. A very nice man. 581 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,227 Welcomed them into his home. 582 00:29:47,229 --> 00:29:51,364 -You got any money? -Yeah. Get a drink there, buddy. 583 00:29:53,368 --> 00:29:57,370 Their plan was to stay there for a couple of days, taking advantage of that situation. 584 00:29:57,372 --> 00:30:01,007 So then, how did Eddie end up getting killed? 585 00:30:04,179 --> 00:30:08,281 [crying] 586 00:30:08,383 --> 00:30:13,286 So she says, blurts out, "I didn't do anything to hurt that guy. 587 00:30:13,355 --> 00:30:16,623 I just gave him the lighter to start the fire." 588 00:30:16,625 --> 00:30:20,527 Really, Jennifer? Well, that makes a big difference then, doesn't it? 589 00:30:20,529 --> 00:30:23,997 When she says that she has their attention. 590 00:30:24,099 --> 00:30:27,000 So Dale was the one who killed Eddie? 591 00:30:31,707 --> 00:30:33,540 She wasn't aware that he was gonna do that. 592 00:30:33,542 --> 00:30:36,977 Though once everything got outta hand, she went along with it. 593 00:30:36,979 --> 00:30:38,745 There's something else. 594 00:30:38,747 --> 00:30:42,883 But what she says next really gets their attention. 595 00:30:42,951 --> 00:30:44,651 She goes, "Oh, yeah." She goes, "Uh... 596 00:30:44,653 --> 00:30:47,954 There's another person that we did the same thing to." 597 00:30:50,893 --> 00:30:53,093 I didn't know he'd kill that old guy, I swear. 598 00:30:53,962 --> 00:30:55,996 [Kenda] What old guy would that be? 599 00:30:57,733 --> 00:31:01,167 Well, his name is Blaine Thacker. 600 00:31:01,169 --> 00:31:04,104 Jennifer Smith told us that they knew Blaine Thacker 601 00:31:04,106 --> 00:31:07,007 'cause he was a friend of Eddie's, one of his closer friends. 602 00:31:11,246 --> 00:31:15,482 She said, you know, we met him, went up to his apartment, he bought us some food. 603 00:31:16,985 --> 00:31:20,754 I think her thoughts were we're gonna go over here, get something to eat, 604 00:31:20,756 --> 00:31:24,991 figure out what the heck just went on, and where we're gonna go from here. 605 00:31:26,361 --> 00:31:28,862 Dale and Blaine went into the back room. 606 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:33,900 And Dale comes out... 607 00:31:37,606 --> 00:31:39,072 And he had blood on him. 608 00:31:39,074 --> 00:31:40,507 -What happened? -We have to go! 609 00:31:40,608 --> 00:31:43,043 -What did you-- -We have to go now! 610 00:31:43,045 --> 00:31:47,547 [crying] I swear, I never thought he'd take things that far! 611 00:31:47,549 --> 00:31:49,049 [crying] 612 00:31:49,051 --> 00:31:51,685 [Wheeler] Jennifer gave a lot of details. 613 00:31:51,786 --> 00:31:53,753 You know, it's not like somebody was lying. 614 00:31:53,755 --> 00:31:56,890 She's just being straightforward about everything that happened. 615 00:31:58,460 --> 00:32:02,562 I think she knew she was in way over her head, and I gotta get out of this. 616 00:32:05,767 --> 00:32:09,469 She says, "I didn't wanna go out like Bonnie and Clyde 617 00:32:09,471 --> 00:32:13,673 in a hail of police gunfire, so I went back to Indiana." 618 00:32:13,675 --> 00:32:15,241 "And where did he go?" 619 00:32:15,243 --> 00:32:19,145 "Well, he said he was gonna go to Miami. but he says a lot of things." 620 00:32:21,083 --> 00:32:23,450 You have your suspect and you also have Jennifer, 621 00:32:23,452 --> 00:32:25,185 so you gotta figure out what you can do with Jennifer. 622 00:32:25,286 --> 00:32:30,490 We arrested Jennifer Smith for complicity to commit murder and arson. 623 00:32:32,761 --> 00:32:35,595 [Kenda] Jennifer Smith has given them what they want. 624 00:32:35,697 --> 00:32:38,698 The killer of two different people. 625 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,568 And his name is Dale Moneypenny. 626 00:32:43,171 --> 00:32:45,171 Like the wolf who circles the herd, 627 00:32:45,173 --> 00:32:49,776 he looks for the young and the inattentive and the sick 628 00:32:49,878 --> 00:32:54,147 and the ones who present as a victim, and they become those. 629 00:33:01,490 --> 00:33:03,757 [Wheeler] Once we heard he was going to Florida, 630 00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:05,892 Leigh did whatever she needed to do to get him indicted. 631 00:33:08,964 --> 00:33:11,197 [phone ringing] 632 00:33:11,266 --> 00:33:13,600 [Maroni] We did notify Miami-Dade County 633 00:33:13,668 --> 00:33:15,568 that he could be in their general area 634 00:33:15,570 --> 00:33:20,507 and that there were warrants for him through NCIC for the double murders. 635 00:33:21,977 --> 00:33:26,346 And as personal as it was for Dale to kill Eddie and Blaine, 636 00:33:26,348 --> 00:33:30,784 it became as personal for me to find him, 637 00:33:30,852 --> 00:33:33,753 and make sure that justice was served. 638 00:33:40,062 --> 00:33:43,863 Several weeks pass, there are two detectives in this town in Florida 639 00:33:43,865 --> 00:33:46,866 that are looking for someone in some other matter, 640 00:33:46,868 --> 00:33:50,270 when they see this car driving erratically and they stop it. 641 00:34:00,549 --> 00:34:03,249 Dale Moneypenny is in the front seat. 642 00:34:03,251 --> 00:34:06,152 They run the name, he's wanted for murder. 643 00:34:06,154 --> 00:34:10,990 Well, hello, Dale. We've been looking for you and now we've found you. 644 00:34:17,466 --> 00:34:19,165 Step out of the car please, sir. 645 00:34:20,635 --> 00:34:24,704 [Kenda] Criminals, when the have success committing their crime, 646 00:34:24,772 --> 00:34:27,807 begin to believe they're geniuses. 647 00:34:27,843 --> 00:34:31,344 They are all Professor Moriarty, by heaven. 648 00:34:31,346 --> 00:34:33,847 And there is no policeman in the world that's gonna 649 00:34:33,849 --> 00:34:36,349 find them because they're so clever. 650 00:34:36,351 --> 00:34:41,354 And the next thing you know he's over the hood of a car and he's in handcuffs. 651 00:34:42,357 --> 00:34:44,657 Shocked that he has wound up there. 652 00:34:47,762 --> 00:34:50,497 My understanding is that when Dale was down in Florida, 653 00:34:50,565 --> 00:34:54,601 uh, he encountered an older, gay male in a bar. 654 00:34:54,669 --> 00:34:57,904 And they subsequently went back to a hotel room, 655 00:34:57,972 --> 00:35:03,543 at what point Dale Moneypenny tied him up, stole his credit cards and stole his car. 656 00:35:03,545 --> 00:35:05,178 Well, there's a big surprise. 657 00:35:05,247 --> 00:35:07,847 That's what he does. 658 00:35:07,849 --> 00:35:12,152 Mr. Moneypenny is arrested for unlawful flight to avoid prosecution, 659 00:35:12,154 --> 00:35:17,190 and he will be extradited to the state of Kentucky to answer for his crime. 660 00:35:19,561 --> 00:35:23,196 Fugitive detectives went down and flew home with him. 661 00:35:23,265 --> 00:35:24,564 You always feel better when you have somebody 662 00:35:24,566 --> 00:35:26,032 in custody, especially someone like that. 663 00:35:26,034 --> 00:35:27,700 It's a sense of relief and accomplishment 664 00:35:27,769 --> 00:35:30,770 that you're able to catch him and get him locked up and off the streets. 665 00:35:35,944 --> 00:35:39,979 Immediately after getting off the plane, they brought him to the homicide office 666 00:35:40,048 --> 00:35:43,950 and we were ready, and, uh, we began an interview with him. 667 00:35:53,662 --> 00:35:56,863 I remember looking at him and just thinking, you know he's just a kid. 668 00:35:56,865 --> 00:35:59,098 He did not ask for an attorney. 669 00:35:59,134 --> 00:36:00,466 He agreed to sit down and talk. 670 00:36:00,468 --> 00:36:04,170 He appeared, to me, to be tired of running. 671 00:36:05,273 --> 00:36:08,007 All right, Dale. We aren't here to judge you. 672 00:36:08,843 --> 00:36:10,476 We just wanna know the truth. 673 00:36:10,478 --> 00:36:16,649 You know, as a female detective a lot of times you appear to younger suspects 674 00:36:16,651 --> 00:36:20,653 as a motherly-type figure and you're easier to talk to for them, 675 00:36:20,655 --> 00:36:22,789 especially about horrible things that they've done. 676 00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:24,390 It worked in this case. 677 00:36:24,492 --> 00:36:28,261 I... I can tell you what I know. 678 00:36:29,598 --> 00:36:34,167 -How about you start with Eddie Poynter? -[chuckling] Eddie? 679 00:36:35,070 --> 00:36:37,470 Dale said he needed a place to stay. 680 00:36:37,472 --> 00:36:39,973 Eddie opened his home to Mr. Moneypenny, 681 00:36:39,975 --> 00:36:42,542 and allowed him and Jennifer to stay there. 682 00:36:42,544 --> 00:36:48,681 Moneypenny used his good looks and his charm to manipulate Eddie 683 00:36:48,683 --> 00:36:52,485 into giving him what he needed... Or wanted. 684 00:36:55,857 --> 00:36:56,889 Hey, man. 685 00:36:56,958 --> 00:36:58,324 Eddie, you got any money for me? 686 00:36:58,426 --> 00:37:02,161 Look, Dale, I can't have you guys freeloading here anymore. 687 00:37:03,965 --> 00:37:08,701 And all of the sudden, out of nowhere, he said he was kicking us out. 688 00:37:08,770 --> 00:37:11,371 Eddie had told him that he and Jennifer were 689 00:37:11,373 --> 00:37:13,373 no longer gonna be able to stay in his house, 690 00:37:13,375 --> 00:37:15,975 and that they were gonna have to find another place to live. 691 00:37:16,044 --> 00:37:18,745 And that sent him into a rag 692 00:37:20,548 --> 00:37:21,748 Do you understand me? 693 00:37:22,584 --> 00:37:25,218 No. I don't think so! 694 00:37:25,220 --> 00:37:26,653 [screaming] 695 00:37:26,655 --> 00:37:30,089 He was so outraged that he turned around and... 696 00:37:30,959 --> 00:37:31,891 Killed him. 697 00:37:31,993 --> 00:37:33,192 [screaming] 698 00:37:34,262 --> 00:37:35,995 His rubber band breaks. 699 00:37:36,064 --> 00:37:39,766 Something in his head that comes unplugged. 700 00:37:39,768 --> 00:37:41,367 What is that? 701 00:37:41,369 --> 00:37:42,869 I have no idea. 702 00:37:42,871 --> 00:37:44,470 But it does. 703 00:37:44,472 --> 00:37:49,442 And when it does, he is a raving banshee 704 00:37:49,444 --> 00:37:51,577 with a knife in his hand. 705 00:37:51,646 --> 00:37:53,980 [screaming] 706 00:37:58,787 --> 00:38:02,555 Dale now comes back out of the ether of his rage 707 00:38:02,557 --> 00:38:06,259 and realizes this mess he's created. 708 00:38:06,261 --> 00:38:10,263 How are you gonna stop the police from finding this 709 00:38:10,265 --> 00:38:14,267 And he comes up with the genius idea of burning it down. 710 00:38:18,373 --> 00:38:20,473 That fire will fix it all. 711 00:38:22,644 --> 00:38:25,078 He gathers up clothing around the room... 712 00:38:26,881 --> 00:38:27,980 And paper. 713 00:38:29,718 --> 00:38:31,617 Give me a lighter! 714 00:38:35,557 --> 00:38:40,893 [Kenda] Starts a series of small fires assuming it will ignite the place. 715 00:38:42,197 --> 00:38:43,796 He's right, it does. 716 00:38:49,170 --> 00:38:51,904 Pretty soon it's fully involved and they run. 717 00:38:58,380 --> 00:39:01,547 So now we needed some place to stay. 718 00:39:01,549 --> 00:39:05,451 And then they said, "What are we gonna do now?" 719 00:39:05,453 --> 00:39:08,154 [Kenda] So they wander off to another place where they've been, 720 00:39:08,156 --> 00:39:11,758 which is Blaine Thacker's house. 721 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,660 Blaine takes them in because he's a nice man. 722 00:39:14,662 --> 00:39:16,295 Dale snaps again. 723 00:39:24,038 --> 00:39:26,672 Dale just took matters into his own hands. 724 00:39:26,674 --> 00:39:29,642 Knew that he needed financial resources... 725 00:39:29,644 --> 00:39:32,512 Uh, to either get out of town or get to where he needed to go. 726 00:39:32,547 --> 00:39:37,083 And killed Mr. Thacker and then, uh, stole from him as well. 727 00:39:38,286 --> 00:39:41,788 -Was that you and Jennifer's plan all along? -No. 728 00:39:42,857 --> 00:39:45,258 She didn't know any of that was gonna happen. 729 00:39:45,260 --> 00:39:49,996 Dale knew Jennifer had been arrested and confirmed her statements 730 00:39:49,998 --> 00:39:54,000 that her responsibility was not as great as his. 731 00:39:57,572 --> 00:40:01,207 Jennifer Smith decided to plead guilty to avoid trial, 732 00:40:01,276 --> 00:40:05,144 and her sentence was a 10-year sentence to serve. 733 00:40:07,549 --> 00:40:09,982 [Kenda] Dale pleads guilty. 734 00:40:09,984 --> 00:40:11,350 And he's sentenced to life in prison. 735 00:40:11,352 --> 00:40:12,418 And what does he do with that? 736 00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:16,389 Well, he engages in pen pals for criminals. 737 00:40:17,425 --> 00:40:20,560 I'm sure he tells them he lives in a gated communit 738 00:40:20,562 --> 00:40:22,562 You know, like a prison. 739 00:40:22,564 --> 00:40:25,264 Good Lord. 740 00:40:25,266 --> 00:40:28,201 [Wheeler] He may have plead guilty just to avoid the death penalty, 741 00:40:28,302 --> 00:40:30,870 but he's shown no remorse or nothing for his victims. 742 00:40:30,872 --> 00:40:32,371 He could care less. 743 00:40:40,648 --> 00:40:42,682 [Masterson] I'm happy he's in jail. 744 00:40:42,750 --> 00:40:44,750 I don't know that there's ever really justice. 745 00:40:44,752 --> 00:40:48,688 I mean, it's not gonna bring Blaine back, it's not gonna bring Eddie back. 746 00:40:48,756 --> 00:40:52,658 And their lives were cut short for what? 747 00:40:52,660 --> 00:40:57,763 These guys couldn't have been more innocent a victim as they get. 748 00:40:57,765 --> 00:41:00,700 I just think they were victims of opportunity. 749 00:41:00,768 --> 00:41:04,470 Victims of opening their home to the wrong person. 750 00:41:05,473 --> 00:41:08,074 I think Dale was a con man 751 00:41:08,076 --> 00:41:11,978 and he knew the power of his charm, 752 00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,914 and what that could do for him. 753 00:41:20,688 --> 00:41:25,358 [Kenda] Moneypenny inserts himself into people's lives 754 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:26,893 He's like a tick. 755 00:41:26,928 --> 00:41:30,696 He crawls on the surface of your skin and buries himself in it. 756 00:41:30,798 --> 00:41:32,965 He endears himself to you. 757 00:41:32,967 --> 00:41:37,570 He uses every ploy within his power to gain your trust 758 00:41:37,572 --> 00:41:40,072 your attention, and your affection. 759 00:41:40,074 --> 00:41:43,976 And eventually he determines what you have that he might want. 760 00:41:43,978 --> 00:41:46,746 And if you resist that happening, 761 00:41:46,748 --> 00:41:48,748 then I'm sorry, you're gonna have to die. 762 00:41:53,655 --> 00:41:55,955 [Benzel] It's mindboggling that a human being could 763 00:41:55,957 --> 00:41:58,991 do something like that to another human being. 764 00:41:59,060 --> 00:42:01,260 Thank goodness for law enforcement 765 00:42:01,262 --> 00:42:03,496 and people that are able to find these people 766 00:42:03,598 --> 00:42:05,498 and put them where they need to be. 767 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,168 [Kenda] Detective Maroni used her instincts 768 00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:12,305 and her training to resolve the death of two people. 769 00:42:12,406 --> 00:42:16,075 To put someone responsible for that in a can where he belongs. 770 00:42:16,177 --> 00:42:19,478 That's the effort shown by a homicide detectives. 771 00:42:19,547 --> 00:42:23,749 To stand in the shoes of the victim because they can't anymore. 772 00:42:23,751 --> 00:42:27,987 And to give punishment to those that took that victim away.