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[Lt. Joe Kenda]
Louisville, Kentucky
is a big city
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and home of the famous
Kentucky Derby.
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It's one o'clock
in the morning
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and a fire call is
reported to 911.
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[sirens wailing]
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[horns honking]
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A small apartment
building is ablaze.
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The fire department
responds...
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...and they put the fire out
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[radio chatter]
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So, arson investigators
respond to these major fire
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to determine exactly
how this began.
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As they examine
the remains of the fire,
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there are multiple ignition
points in the house.
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Rags and clothing
piled together.
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It becomes obvious to them
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that this fire was
intentionally set.
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[firefighter] Lieutenant,
come check this out.
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[Kenda] In this apartment,
they discover...
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...human remains
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Is this an accidental death?
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Is this someone who succumbe
to smoke inhalation?
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Is it the person who
started this fire?
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The arson investigator takes
one step back and says...
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[investigator] Call Metro.
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Tell 'em to get homicide
down here right away.
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[Kenda] They're not a suspec
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They're a victim.
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There is a large knife
protruding from their face.
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Wow.
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I spent my career
closing murder cases...
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...but I'm not the only one
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who answered the call.
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It takes a rare breed
to solve the unsolvable...
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...to catch a ruthless kille
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to find justice for the dead
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That's what it takes
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to be
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an American detective.
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My name is Leigh Maroni.
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I'm a retired detective
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from the Louisville
Metro Police Department.
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I worked there for 20 years.
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At least 11 of those
were in homicide.
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I was always
drawn to the process
of investigations.
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Working with homicide victims,
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um, who don't have a voice,
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who can't tell you anything
about what happened.
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[Kenda] Leigh Maroni,
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she started late
into law enforcement.
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She was 29 when she
came on the job.
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Worked hard,
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got assigned to homicide,
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was under a strong light
because she was a woman.
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[Maroni] I was
the only female there,
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so I always wanted to prove
myself as worthy and capable.
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Uh, it's just the nature.
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At that point, I was
in homicide for two years.
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Two years sounds like
a long time, but you're...
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[stammers] You really
are just getting started.
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[Kenda] I had
rookie years, too.
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She's learning,
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and this case will
teach her a lot.
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[beep]
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[dispatcher over radio]
Dispatch requesting homicid
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for 100 block
of Harlan Avenue.
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Copy.
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[Maroni]
On this particular night,
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I was working the four
to midnight shift.
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I was at the top of the lis
for the next homicide,
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and I responded to the scene.
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[sirens wailing]
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[radio chatter]
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[detective] Lieutenant.
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So, what have we got here?
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We were briefed
by the arson investigators
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that they had located
a body within the home
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and it did appear that there
was foul play involved.
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Is it safe to go in?
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Air quality isn't great,
but we should be all right.
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[Kenda] Nothing worse
than a fire scene.
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Even though the fire's out,
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the heat is so intense.
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It retains for long
periods of time.
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[camera shutter clicks]
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So, you're
perspiring heavily...
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[camera shutter clicks]
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...and you can barely breath
because of the odor.
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You never forget
the odor of death.
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Ever.
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And you never forget
the odor of burning flesh,
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human flesh.
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[Maroni] Arson investigator
took us to the body,
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which appeared to be
laying on a bed faceup.
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[investigator]
Let's take a look.
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[Maroni] It's hard
to determine what exactly
you're looking at,
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so, uh, we had to get a little
bit closer at this point.
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Although we couldn't
identify facial features...
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...there was an obvious knif
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stuck in the face.
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You ever seen
anything like that?
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That was very, very unusual.
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Uh, nothing I've
ever seen before,
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and certainly nothing
I've ever seen since.
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[Kenda] Maroni's looking
at this crime scene,
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and it also points out to he
something that's important.
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This is extremely personal.
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The stabbing in the face
is somebody wanting
to eliminate you.
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To destroy your memory.
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It's pure hate
that drives that.
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And then after that,
you look at the style
of the knife.
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[detective] Looks like
a kitchen knife.
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[camera shutter clicks]
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[Kenda] The person
there armed himself
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with a weapon of opportunity
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A kitchen knife is seized.
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He looks for it,
he finds it in a drawer,
whatever,
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and he attacks
the victim with it.
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So, it's not a planned event
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and now, we have
to unravel this.
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How did this person
come to be here
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in the condition they are in?
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All right.
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Let's go take a look around
and see who this guy is.
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[Maroni] In identifying
this victim, uh,
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we always wanna start with,
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"Who lives here?"
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[camera shutter clicks]
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[camera shutter clicks]
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And in determining that,
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you look for mail
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and you look for personal
items around the house.
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[detective] Hey, you got
anything back there?
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[investigator] Not much.
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[detective] Guess
that was the point.
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Based on the evidence that we
saw at the crime scene
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with pages of books
being torn out
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and scattered
about the room
in general,
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it wouldn't happen that way
unless it was deliberate.
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This is a concealment fire.
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Concealment fires
are set by perpetrators
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to try to destroy evidence
and destroy a body,
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which is incredibly
difficult to do.
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You're trying to scratch
up the dirt to cover up
the evidence of your sins,
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and it's not gonna work.
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It never does.
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[investigator] Hey, Sarge?
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-[detective] Yeah?
-[investigator]
Check this out.
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Fortunately, not everything
was destroyed.
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We located a black book
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that waiters typically
carry in restaurants.
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I waited tables.
I recognized it immediately
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All right, let's get
this bagged for evidence.
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[siren wailing]
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So, when Maroni is inside
examining the scene,
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a very concerned citizen
shows up outside.
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-[officer] Sir.
-[man] What's going on?
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Sir, I can't let you in here.
This is a restricted area.
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This is my place.
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My name's Daryl Benzel.
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My wife and I, we own
about three homes.
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Four units altogether.
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Uh, Harlan Avenue
was one of our first.
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That night,
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my neighbor called to tell u
that our house was on fire,
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so I rushed over there and it
was a devastating sight.
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You gotta tell me
what's going on.
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Is there anyone inside?
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[Benzel] And he's,
like, "Yes,"
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and I said, "Well,
is he dead?"
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And he's, like,
"Yes, he's dead,"
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and I'm, like, "Oh, lord."
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[radio chatter]
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And at about that time,
I saw Leigh.
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Daryl?
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[radio chatter]
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I said, "Hey, Daryl.
What brings you here?"
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And he informed me
at that point that he
owned the house.
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[Benzel] I knew her father
and brother, and then I...
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I met Leigh and we
developed a friendship.
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[Maroni] It's rare that you
know a person as a witness,
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so it was unusual
for me to see him,
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but once I did,
I thought, "Well, great!"
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You know, I know him.
He'll be comfortable
speaking with me.
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Um, I could probably get
a lot of information from him.
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How many people live here?
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Just one. The rest
of the units are all vacant.
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Do you have a name?
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Yeah, it's Eddie.
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It's Eddie Poynter.
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I immediately
recognized the name,
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and this was a person that
I had actually met several
months prior to this incident.
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[Kenda] She looks back
at these charred remains
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with a blade
through its face...
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...and says, "God, Eddie,
what happened to you?"
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[sirens wailing]
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[radio chatter]
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[Kenda] It's bad enough
to look at a stranger who's
been violently killed.
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To look at somebody you know
and you knew in life,
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it's just the worst feeling
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[investigator] How'd you
know this guy, anyway?
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[detective] He's friends
with my brother.
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I actually met him
not that long ago.
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[Maroni] He was waiting
tables in a restaurant
called Cunningham's,
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and my brother and I
happened to be eating there,
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and, uh, Eddie stopped by
to say hello to my brother.
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I just know that Eddie made
a big impact on my brother.
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[detective] They were
in A.A. together.
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[Kenda] Eddie Poynter,
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he's had a long
history of suffering
from substance abuse,
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both alcohol and drugs.
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He joined
Alcoholics Anonymous.
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The A.A. program is all about
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helping someone get
and stay sober,
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and so, in this case,
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he had been sober
quite a while.
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Eddie was trying
to get himself together,
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to be, uh, a lot
more responsible.
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He tried to help others.
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He became a sponsor
for dozens of people.
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He has done a lot
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to come back from the abyss
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that he was
about to fall into.
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Every homicide victim
I've encountered, I...
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[stammers] I did not know.
I knew nothing about them.
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So, this was
an unusual case for me
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knowing that he had an impac
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a very positive impact on...
On people's lives,
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and it really did change
my view of victims
from then on.
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I didn't look
at my victims
as numbers.
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They just became human.
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One of the first things we do
in a homicide investigation
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is what's called
a neighborhood canvass...
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[knocking on door]
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...to see what
the neighbors saw,
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what they heard,
what they know.
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-[detective] Morning, ma'am.
-[woman] Hi.
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-Can I help you?
-[detective] Metro PD.
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Was hoping you could answer
some questions for me.
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[woman] Yeah, sure.
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I worked for the Louisville
Metro Police Department
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for 22 years before I retired.
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Sometimes you have
certain cases that really
pique your interest,
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and this is one
of those cases.
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Have a fire
that somebody
tried to light
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and cover up a death.
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When you have a knife
stabbed to the face,
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I mean, it's just aggression.
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Uncontrolled aggression.
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And it's... [stammers]
It's scary.
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-Morning, ma'am.
-[woman] Hello.
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Metro PD.
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[Det. Jeff Wheeler]
We went and did our canvass
254
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Uh, we spoke
with several people.
255
00:12:14,844 --> 00:12:17,745
They said that Eddie,
you know, he was a nice guy.
256
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He worked.
257
00:12:19,249 --> 00:12:21,749
I mean, I didn't hear
a bad thing about him at all
258
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There was nothing out there
that would have caused
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00:12:24,487 --> 00:12:25,853
somebody to come
after him and kill him.
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00:12:25,855 --> 00:12:27,121
[sirens wailing]
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[Maroni] Because the injurie
were to the face,
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I wasn't convinced
that the knife wound itself
was the cause of death.
263
00:12:35,865 --> 00:12:40,468
You're not gonna die
if somebody plants a knife
blade under your cheekbone.
264
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The odds are, you're
gonna survive that
99 times out of 100.
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[Maroni] So, we needed
to wait for the autopsy
266
00:12:47,544 --> 00:12:50,745
to give use the understanding
of what exactly caused, uh,
267
00:12:50,747 --> 00:12:51,746
the victim's death.
268
00:12:55,652 --> 00:12:56,984
[detective] So,
what are we looking at?
269
00:12:58,054 --> 00:13:00,254
[examiner] Well,
his lungs are clear,
270
00:13:00,256 --> 00:13:02,957
so it wasn't the smoke
inhalation that killed him.
271
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Take a look at this.
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[Kenda] Stab wounds
are discovered.
273
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Multiple wounds
274
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through the lungs,
through the liver,
275
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through the abdominal aorta
276
00:13:14,470 --> 00:13:16,003
all over the place.
277
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A blitz attack with a knife.
278
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Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab
279
00:13:20,743 --> 00:13:23,277
and the final blow
is the one in the face.
280
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[Maroni] Homicide 101 is,
281
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you know, any type
of overkill situation
282
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or violence to that degree
283
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has an emotional
component to it.
284
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Maybe he had a relationship
with this person.
285
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Maybe he was a friend.
286
00:13:39,095 --> 00:13:41,195
So, you start from there
and you work out.
287
00:13:44,767 --> 00:13:46,267
[sirens wailing]
288
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So, it's now to the point
to where Maroni has
to notify the family
289
00:13:53,676 --> 00:13:55,743
of Mr. Poynter's
untimely demise.
290
00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,547
She identifies a person,
Faye Brown...
291
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...who is the mother
to Mr. Poynter.
292
00:14:03,853 --> 00:14:06,888
His mom lived in, uh,
a different city in...
In Kentucky.
293
00:14:06,989 --> 00:14:10,157
They were a very
close-knit family.
294
00:14:10,159 --> 00:14:11,759
[mother crying]
He didn't deserve this!
295
00:14:12,829 --> 00:14:14,462
[Kenda] Brown tells Maroni
296
00:14:14,464 --> 00:14:17,698
Mr. Poynter was born
and raised in a small town
in Kentucky
297
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and that Eddie is gay.
298
00:14:20,603 --> 00:14:22,803
Initially,
when Eddie Poynter
was young,
299
00:14:22,905 --> 00:14:25,072
he had a child with a woman
300
00:14:25,074 --> 00:14:28,342
and didn't come out as gay
until later in his life.
301
00:14:28,344 --> 00:14:30,144
He grew up
in Edmonton, Kentucky.
302
00:14:30,146 --> 00:14:32,280
It's part of the Bible Belt
303
00:14:32,381 --> 00:14:34,548
and probably, at that time
when he was growing up,
304
00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:37,852
it's something you didn't
come out and say.
305
00:14:37,854 --> 00:14:42,456
[Kenda] Mr. Poynter
felt it was important
to move into a big city
306
00:14:42,458 --> 00:14:45,393
where there's
a possibility of a more
favorable environment
307
00:14:45,461 --> 00:14:46,794
for those who are homosexual.
308
00:14:46,862 --> 00:14:50,498
So, he elected to move
to Louisville for that reason.
309
00:14:50,533 --> 00:14:53,467
Coming to the city,
yes, he found a lot
more opportunity
310
00:14:53,469 --> 00:14:57,672
to be happy or find
other people that he
wanted to be with.
311
00:15:01,644 --> 00:15:03,010
[sirens wailing]
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00:15:04,547 --> 00:15:06,981
[Maroni] So, at this point,
what we want to find out is
313
00:15:06,983 --> 00:15:09,550
who is responsible
for Eddie's murder.
314
00:15:09,552 --> 00:15:12,887
Did Eddie have any
significant relationships?
315
00:15:12,956 --> 00:15:15,256
What... Is he dating anybody?
316
00:15:15,258 --> 00:15:17,191
Who are his closest friends?
317
00:15:17,260 --> 00:15:18,292
[phones ringing]
318
00:15:18,294 --> 00:15:20,394
Once notification
is made to the family,
319
00:15:20,997 --> 00:15:22,463
news spreads quickly.
320
00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:25,099
[barge horn sounds]
321
00:15:31,441 --> 00:15:34,575
I was contacted
by Garry Perry.
322
00:15:34,677 --> 00:15:37,144
He was very close
friends with Eddie,
323
00:15:37,146 --> 00:15:39,680
and that if there was
any information
that he could provide,
324
00:15:39,782 --> 00:15:41,048
he wanted to assist in this
325
00:15:41,050 --> 00:15:43,551
because Eddie was
so dear to him.
326
00:15:43,553 --> 00:15:47,355
This is where we'd
usually see Eddie.
327
00:15:47,357 --> 00:15:50,758
Poynter had a favorite spot
where he liked to go.
328
00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,762
[Maroni] It was a small,
hole-in-the-wall gay bar,
uh, downtown.
329
00:15:54,764 --> 00:15:56,564
A little bit more
homey than a...
330
00:15:56,566 --> 00:15:58,366
Than a busy dance bar.
331
00:15:59,268 --> 00:16:00,768
Eddie was real quiet.
332
00:16:00,770 --> 00:16:02,269
He didn't drink.
333
00:16:02,271 --> 00:16:06,007
He just came for the company.
334
00:16:06,009 --> 00:16:09,977
Garry said Eddie
didn't socialize a lot,
335
00:16:09,979 --> 00:16:14,949
that he wasn't necessarily
in a romantic relationship
with anybody seriously.
336
00:16:14,951 --> 00:16:18,886
The only person I ever see
Eddie with was Blaine.
337
00:16:20,156 --> 00:16:22,790
Garry explains that one
of Poynter's best friends
338
00:16:22,892 --> 00:16:26,594
is a 73-year-old man
who is also gay
339
00:16:26,662 --> 00:16:28,863
whose name is Blaine Thacker.
340
00:16:30,867 --> 00:16:35,069
Eddie and Blaine were...
Were both gay men
in the restaurant industry
341
00:16:35,071 --> 00:16:36,504
and worked odd hours,
342
00:16:36,605 --> 00:16:39,607
and I think they just
struck up a friendship.
343
00:16:39,708 --> 00:16:41,175
Just very, very good friends.
344
00:16:42,078 --> 00:16:44,979
I think Blaine
took care of Eddie.
345
00:16:44,981 --> 00:16:47,281
When he was hard on his luck
346
00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:49,150
Eddie lived with Blaine
for a little bit,
347
00:16:49,152 --> 00:16:50,184
or on and off.
348
00:16:50,253 --> 00:16:53,254
Maroni says, "Okay,
so Blaine Thacker.
349
00:16:53,256 --> 00:16:54,655
Have you seen him lately?"
350
00:16:54,657 --> 00:16:57,358
Come to think of it,
he hasn't been in here
lately, either.
351
00:16:58,394 --> 00:16:59,760
[detective] Is that
unusual for him?
352
00:17:01,964 --> 00:17:04,198
Yeah, I'd say it is.
353
00:17:04,267 --> 00:17:08,169
When someone is doing
something that's beyond
their usual activity
354
00:17:08,171 --> 00:17:10,971
and they're associated
with a homicide victim,
355
00:17:10,973 --> 00:17:12,406
that's a little worrisome.
356
00:17:12,508 --> 00:17:15,843
Why are you not in here
like you always are?
357
00:17:15,845 --> 00:17:17,344
And your friend is dead.
358
00:17:17,346 --> 00:17:18,746
Did you have something
to do with it?
359
00:17:22,785 --> 00:17:24,452
[detective] Sueanna Masterson?
360
00:17:24,454 --> 00:17:25,853
-Hi.
-[detective] Hey, Detective
Leigh Maroni.
361
00:17:25,855 --> 00:17:28,089
They go to the restaurant
where Blaine Thacker works
362
00:17:28,091 --> 00:17:31,092
and find out some very
interesting information.
363
00:17:31,193 --> 00:17:34,695
I was looking
for one of your cooks,
Blaine Thacker.
364
00:17:34,763 --> 00:17:37,364
[Masterson] I'm co-owner
of Masterson's Catering,
365
00:17:37,366 --> 00:17:39,567
third generation
family business.
366
00:17:39,569 --> 00:17:43,504
Blaine worked for us
for around 30 years,
367
00:17:43,606 --> 00:17:48,642
and we were very concerned,
uh, when he didn't show up.
368
00:17:48,644 --> 00:17:50,077
Blaine was always there,
369
00:17:50,079 --> 00:17:51,445
always on time.
370
00:17:51,881 --> 00:17:53,147
He was early.
371
00:17:53,149 --> 00:17:55,583
Uh, we called his house.
No one answered.
372
00:17:57,053 --> 00:17:59,453
We just kinda gave it
benefit of the doubt,
373
00:17:59,455 --> 00:18:01,255
maybe he'll show up later,
374
00:18:01,257 --> 00:18:02,957
but the second day
he didn't show up,
375
00:18:02,959 --> 00:18:04,758
we knew there was
something wrong.
376
00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,260
So, your best friend is dead
377
00:18:06,262 --> 00:18:07,561
and you're suddenly
in the wind.
378
00:18:07,663 --> 00:18:09,163
Well, we're getting warmer.
379
00:18:15,571 --> 00:18:17,104
[knocking at door]
380
00:18:17,173 --> 00:18:18,772
[detective 1] Mr. Thacker,
are you in there?
381
00:18:20,176 --> 00:18:21,976
It's Metro PD. Open up!
382
00:18:21,978 --> 00:18:23,244
[Wheeler] It was
concerning to us,
383
00:18:23,246 --> 00:18:26,247
and so we went
over to the apartment
384
00:18:26,249 --> 00:18:28,649
and had the manager
open up the door for us.
385
00:18:33,589 --> 00:18:34,588
[radio chatter]
386
00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:39,059
We went into the apartment.
387
00:18:43,366 --> 00:18:44,999
[detective 2] Mr. Thacker?
388
00:18:45,067 --> 00:18:46,200
We went into the back room...
389
00:18:53,976 --> 00:18:55,242
[camera shutter clicks]
390
00:18:55,244 --> 00:18:56,944
[Wheeler] ...and there
was a bunch of blankets.
391
00:18:58,848 --> 00:19:00,247
So, you could see
he was already...
392
00:19:00,883 --> 00:19:01,849
He was dead.
393
00:19:06,889 --> 00:19:08,756
Once we removed
all the blankets...
394
00:19:11,060 --> 00:19:14,395
...it was obvious that he had
been stabbed numerous times.
395
00:19:16,532 --> 00:19:17,665
[camera shutter clicks]
396
00:19:18,601 --> 00:19:20,668
[Kenda] It's this very
similar method
397
00:19:20,670 --> 00:19:22,903
as to what is seen
in Mr. Poynter.
398
00:19:22,972 --> 00:19:24,572
It is a blitz attack.
399
00:19:24,574 --> 00:19:28,676
Mr. Thacker has inordinate
stab wounds in the chest,
400
00:19:28,777 --> 00:19:30,678
more than sufficient
to kill him.
401
00:19:30,779 --> 00:19:32,846
My jaw just kinda dropped
and it hit the floor.
402
00:19:32,848 --> 00:19:36,850
The last thing I expected
to hear was that we
have another victim.
403
00:19:36,852 --> 00:19:39,186
It's not a coincidence.
404
00:19:39,255 --> 00:19:41,155
There's no such thing
as coincidence.
405
00:19:48,564 --> 00:19:52,066
[Kenda] Louisville Metro
homicide detective
Leigh Maroni
406
00:19:52,068 --> 00:19:55,603
has two homicide victims
in the same night.
407
00:19:55,671 --> 00:19:58,172
Both have been brutally
stabbed in the same manner.
408
00:19:58,975 --> 00:19:59,974
[camera shutter clicks]
409
00:20:00,443 --> 00:20:02,042
Could they be related?
410
00:20:03,546 --> 00:20:06,547
[Maroni] It's not uncommon
to have two murders
in the same night,
411
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:10,551
but it is uncommon to have
them in such close proximity
412
00:20:10,553 --> 00:20:12,953
and the victims to be
very good friends
413
00:20:12,955 --> 00:20:15,389
and to have
a similar lifestyle.
414
00:20:15,491 --> 00:20:17,758
Both Eddie and Blaine
were gay men
415
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:18,993
in the restaurant industry.
416
00:20:22,465 --> 00:20:25,966
[Kenda] So, we have a multip
victim homicide case
417
00:20:25,968 --> 00:20:28,102
and two separate events.
418
00:20:28,170 --> 00:20:30,971
Now, we're
talking about a very
dangerous killer
419
00:20:30,973 --> 00:20:34,241
who is not in custody
and not even identified.
420
00:20:34,243 --> 00:20:36,443
I mean, if he'd killed two...
421
00:20:36,445 --> 00:20:38,445
[stammers] Were there
other bodies elsewhere?
422
00:20:38,447 --> 00:20:40,381
It really made us
very concerned
423
00:20:40,449 --> 00:20:42,583
for the safety of other
people in the city,
424
00:20:42,652 --> 00:20:45,552
and so it really kinda
kicked up our case
to a different level.
425
00:20:45,554 --> 00:20:46,987
We had to get this guy.
426
00:20:47,056 --> 00:20:48,055
[phone ringing]
427
00:20:51,861 --> 00:20:53,260
Maroni.
428
00:20:53,262 --> 00:20:55,763
[Kenda] Detective Maroni
gets a call from her partne
429
00:20:55,765 --> 00:20:57,398
who's still at the first
crime scene
430
00:20:57,466 --> 00:20:59,466
who says he's found
a witness there
431
00:20:59,468 --> 00:21:01,502
that he would like
Maroni to speak to.
432
00:21:02,471 --> 00:21:04,171
-Hey, you got this?
-Yeah.
433
00:21:05,675 --> 00:21:07,808
So, she immediately goes
back to the scene.
434
00:21:07,843 --> 00:21:08,842
[sirens wailing]
435
00:21:16,752 --> 00:21:17,985
-Hey, Sarge?
-[detective] Mmm-hmm?
436
00:21:17,987 --> 00:21:19,853
This guy says he's looking
for a friend of his.
437
00:21:21,090 --> 00:21:23,157
[Maroni] The subject's name
was Charles Mullins,
438
00:21:23,159 --> 00:21:26,093
and Mr. Mullins stated
that he had a friend
439
00:21:26,095 --> 00:21:29,997
that had been staying
in the apartment
with Eddie Poynter.
440
00:21:30,099 --> 00:21:32,099
[Kenda] This is a shock
to Maroni.
441
00:21:32,101 --> 00:21:33,834
'Cause as far as she knows,
442
00:21:33,836 --> 00:21:36,637
Eddie Poynter was the only
person living in this place.
443
00:21:36,639 --> 00:21:38,271
Who's your friend?
444
00:21:38,273 --> 00:21:42,643
He identified his friend
as someone he grew up
with in Ashland, Kentucky.
445
00:21:42,645 --> 00:21:44,345
And his name was
Dale Moneypenny.
446
00:21:44,347 --> 00:21:47,748
He stated that Dale had
a friend or a girlfriend,
447
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:50,684
um, that was also there
named Jennifer Smith.
448
00:21:50,786 --> 00:21:55,356
-His girlfriend was
staying here too?
-Yeah. As far as I know.
449
00:21:55,358 --> 00:21:58,258
He says he just met
that girl, Jennifer.
450
00:21:58,260 --> 00:22:01,795
"I don't know her very well.
She goes to college, I think."
451
00:22:01,897 --> 00:22:03,397
I heard about the fire.
452
00:22:04,166 --> 00:22:05,499
Are they okay?
453
00:22:05,567 --> 00:22:07,468
Well, they weren't in there.
454
00:22:10,339 --> 00:22:13,107
-Hey, sarge, you got a second?
-Yeah. Hey, do you
mind finishing up?
455
00:22:13,109 --> 00:22:15,042
The arson investigator
came out
456
00:22:15,044 --> 00:22:19,246
and said, "Hey, we were goin
through some of the debris
in the house,
457
00:22:19,248 --> 00:22:20,848
and we did find this notebook.
458
00:22:20,850 --> 00:22:24,685
And, uh, I don't know if you
guys want it or not, but it
has a name in it.
459
00:22:24,754 --> 00:22:26,687
Um, Jennifer Smith."
460
00:22:26,756 --> 00:22:31,992
The same name that our witness
says he believes is
Moneypenny's girlfriend.
461
00:22:31,994 --> 00:22:34,795
So now we have some
evidence that Jennifer Smit
462
00:22:34,864 --> 00:22:37,564
at least had some of her
possessions in this apartment.
463
00:22:38,267 --> 00:22:39,566
-Thank you.
-You're welcome.
464
00:22:40,569 --> 00:22:42,970
So now, Maroni is
faced with a dilemma.
465
00:22:42,972 --> 00:22:44,505
Who are these people?
466
00:22:44,606 --> 00:22:47,641
How well do they
know Mr. Poynter?
467
00:22:47,643 --> 00:22:49,276
Are they involved in this?
468
00:22:49,378 --> 00:22:52,546
Or are they just not home
when the fire occurs?
469
00:22:52,548 --> 00:22:54,081
It could be either one.
470
00:22:54,083 --> 00:22:56,049
But we need to find them.
471
00:22:56,051 --> 00:22:57,885
[Maroni] At that point, we
know Jennifer Smith.
472
00:22:57,953 --> 00:22:59,420
That's it. Very common name
473
00:22:59,422 --> 00:23:00,988
It's like a needle
in a haystack.
474
00:23:00,990 --> 00:23:03,457
Jennifer Smith isn't gonna
be simple to find.
475
00:23:03,459 --> 00:23:05,092
But Mr. Moneypenny might be.
476
00:23:05,161 --> 00:23:07,094
How many Moneypennys
are there?
477
00:23:07,096 --> 00:23:08,996
Probably not many.
478
00:23:17,807 --> 00:23:20,741
So Detective Maroni runs
the name through the system
479
00:23:20,743 --> 00:23:22,876
and all the lights
brighten up.
480
00:23:22,945 --> 00:23:25,979
We were able to pull
a picture of Mr. Moneypenny.
481
00:23:25,981 --> 00:23:27,915
He was young,
he was attractive.
482
00:23:27,917 --> 00:23:29,750
Piercing blue eyes.
483
00:23:29,752 --> 00:23:31,185
But he had a criminal histor
484
00:23:31,286 --> 00:23:32,686
He liked to steal things.
485
00:23:32,788 --> 00:23:34,555
He liked to run
from the police.
486
00:23:34,557 --> 00:23:37,991
He liked to resist arrest.
He liked to assault people.
487
00:23:37,993 --> 00:23:42,596
Also, they discover that he
has a car registered to him.
488
00:23:42,665 --> 00:23:45,599
All that we know is that he
drives a black Honda Accord.
489
00:23:45,701 --> 00:23:47,801
And he's originally
from Ashland.
490
00:23:50,172 --> 00:23:54,107
So we made notifications
to the police department
in Ashland, Kentucky.
491
00:23:54,143 --> 00:23:59,346
We did put a flag
to our NCIC system
that if this license plate
492
00:23:59,348 --> 00:24:02,850
or this vehicle is seen,
we are looking for this
individual.
493
00:24:11,794 --> 00:24:14,361
A few days later,
the car was located
494
00:24:14,363 --> 00:24:16,096
by the Louisville Metro
Police Department.
495
00:24:16,165 --> 00:24:18,599
It was brought in
for processing.
496
00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:21,635
That was found abandoned
on a city street in Louisville
497
00:24:21,637 --> 00:24:24,204
and was towed away
as an abandoned motor vehicle.
498
00:24:24,306 --> 00:24:28,175
They still can't find
Moneypenny, but they
have found his car.
499
00:24:28,277 --> 00:24:31,745
And that car could lead
them somewhere, so let's
go see what's in it.
500
00:24:34,083 --> 00:24:35,649
Jesus, what a mess.
501
00:24:37,820 --> 00:24:42,322
[Kenda] They look inside
and they see
drug paraphernalia,
502
00:24:42,324 --> 00:24:44,358
crack pipes that
have been used,
503
00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:47,995
burned spoons,
all that sort of thing.
504
00:24:47,997 --> 00:24:50,597
Now we have a whole
new ballgame.
505
00:24:50,699 --> 00:24:55,068
Drug people will do
anything to get
their hands on drugs.
506
00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:57,404
Will they kill?
Yeah, they will.
507
00:24:57,472 --> 00:25:00,107
Will they set fire
to a place? Of course.
508
00:25:00,109 --> 00:25:04,177
It's playing Russian roulette
with five cylinders loaded
instead of one.
509
00:25:07,082 --> 00:25:12,085
[Maroni] The fact that the c
was located empty, uh,
told me that Dale
510
00:25:12,187 --> 00:25:15,255
either took a Greyhound bus
he's stolen a vehicle,
511
00:25:15,257 --> 00:25:18,392
or he's, uh, hooked up
with a ride out of town.
512
00:25:19,662 --> 00:25:23,096
[Kenda] Dale is in the wind
so where is Jennifer?
513
00:25:23,165 --> 00:25:25,899
What does she know about
this or have to do with it?
514
00:25:25,968 --> 00:25:28,368
We don't know. We don't know.
515
00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:31,271
That common name
is a complication.
516
00:25:42,051 --> 00:25:43,517
Did you see this?
517
00:25:47,222 --> 00:25:51,258
[Kenda] So this notebook ha
the name Jennifer Smith on i
518
00:25:51,260 --> 00:25:52,693
But it also has the name
of the school.
519
00:25:54,763 --> 00:25:57,464
So Maroni's detectives
contact the school.
520
00:25:57,466 --> 00:25:59,266
[woman on phone] Office
of admissions.
521
00:25:59,268 --> 00:26:01,868
Yeah, Metro PD. I was
hoping I could ask you
a few questions.
522
00:26:01,870 --> 00:26:04,104
"Do you have a student
named Jennifer Smith?"
523
00:26:04,139 --> 00:26:05,372
"Yes we do."
524
00:26:05,374 --> 00:26:07,341
"Does she live
in Louisville, Kentucky?"
525
00:26:07,343 --> 00:26:09,009
"No, she does not."
526
00:26:09,011 --> 00:26:11,878
[Maroni] We were ultimately
able to determine
that Jennifer Smith
527
00:26:11,980 --> 00:26:15,048
was staying with her mother
over in Jeffersonville,
Indiana.
528
00:26:16,852 --> 00:26:20,587
[Kenda] So they send
the local authorities
in Indiana to her home
529
00:26:20,656 --> 00:26:22,856
to see if they
can make contact.
530
00:26:22,858 --> 00:26:24,591
They don't find her there.
531
00:26:24,660 --> 00:26:29,463
So we are on the lookout
in Indiana for Jennifer Smith.
532
00:26:29,465 --> 00:26:33,500
The elusive girlfriend
of the even more elusive
Mr. Moneypenny.
533
00:26:33,602 --> 00:26:37,070
She is at a minimum
an important witness
in this case.
534
00:26:42,778 --> 00:26:45,445
[cell phone ringing]
535
00:26:46,448 --> 00:26:47,914
Maroni.
536
00:26:47,916 --> 00:26:53,320
A few days later,
I got a call that Jennifer
Smith had reached out
537
00:26:53,322 --> 00:26:55,856
to another police department
in Indiana, saying that she
538
00:26:55,858 --> 00:26:58,659
knew that the Louisville
Metro Police Department
was looking for her.
539
00:26:58,661 --> 00:27:00,394
She goes, "I wanna clear
my conscience.
540
00:27:00,462 --> 00:27:02,362
I wanna make this right."
541
00:27:02,364 --> 00:27:04,998
Okay. I'll be right there.
542
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:07,567
[Wheeler] Once you get a cal
like that, you drop what
you're doing.
543
00:27:13,242 --> 00:27:16,977
[Kenda] Jennifer Smith is
a roommate to someone
544
00:27:17,046 --> 00:27:21,148
who has been murdered
and then set on fire.
545
00:27:21,150 --> 00:27:26,553
She has a boyfriend who
abandoned a car filled with
drug paraphernalia
546
00:27:26,555 --> 00:27:29,389
that she undoubtedly
has been riding in.
547
00:27:29,425 --> 00:27:34,995
And she has now crossed
a state line into Indiana
to get away from all of this
548
00:27:34,997 --> 00:27:38,365
Well, that amounts
to something she
has to explain.
549
00:27:38,367 --> 00:27:40,367
Let's see if she can.
550
00:27:47,876 --> 00:27:51,578
Jennifer Smith has
an explanation of some size
551
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,180
that she has to come up with.
552
00:27:53,182 --> 00:27:56,049
[Wheeler] We weren't
sure if she was there
at the homicide.
553
00:27:56,051 --> 00:28:00,954
But we knew that she had
some type of involvement
in the case.
554
00:28:00,956 --> 00:28:05,892
Why don't you start by telli
me about your relationship
with Dale Moneypenny?
555
00:28:05,961 --> 00:28:08,962
Well, he sort of just
came out of nowhere.
556
00:28:10,699 --> 00:28:16,103
Jennifer explains that she
initially is overwhelmed
by his beauty.
557
00:28:18,674 --> 00:28:21,007
That Moneypenny is so pretty
558
00:28:21,076 --> 00:28:24,978
And she never had
a boyfriend like this before
559
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,849
She'd only known him
about 10 days, uh,
prior to this.
560
00:28:28,851 --> 00:28:32,152
They kinda met, like,
on the street.
561
00:28:32,154 --> 00:28:33,987
Brought together
by drugs and alcohol.
562
00:28:35,591 --> 00:28:38,325
And were both kind of living
this same lifestyle
and they bonded.
563
00:28:38,327 --> 00:28:41,828
He told her that they're
gonna go on a crime spree.
564
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:44,264
He's gonna con people
out of their money.
565
00:28:46,201 --> 00:28:52,773
He explains to her he has
this method by which he use
his appearance and his yout
566
00:28:52,775 --> 00:28:55,976
to make himself attractive
to homosexual men.
567
00:28:56,044 --> 00:28:57,778
Because he knows he is.
568
00:28:58,647 --> 00:29:01,148
What he wants is their money
569
00:29:01,150 --> 00:29:05,585
And they're just gonna buy
drugs, and have a good time
and party on.
570
00:29:06,822 --> 00:29:08,989
They're gonna be the new
Bonnie and Clyde.
571
00:29:09,090 --> 00:29:12,592
That sounds like one hell
of an idea to her.
572
00:29:16,698 --> 00:29:18,465
[Maroni] I don't think
this was her nature.
573
00:29:18,467 --> 00:29:20,867
She doesn't have
a criminal history.
574
00:29:20,869 --> 00:29:25,005
But I think she just got
roped into something by a gu
575
00:29:25,106 --> 00:29:28,408
who had some control over her.
576
00:29:28,476 --> 00:29:31,778
So how did the two of you
end up hooking up with Eddie
577
00:29:31,847 --> 00:29:34,247
We met Eddie at a gay bar.
578
00:29:34,249 --> 00:29:39,986
We needed a place to crash,
so he let us stay with him
for a few nights.
579
00:29:39,988 --> 00:29:42,155
How long are you
gonna be in town?
580
00:29:42,157 --> 00:29:44,958
[Maroni] They met Eddie.
A very nice man.
581
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,227
Welcomed them into his home.
582
00:29:47,229 --> 00:29:51,364
-You got any money?
-Yeah. Get a drink
there, buddy.
583
00:29:53,368 --> 00:29:57,370
Their plan was to stay there
for a couple of days, taking
advantage of that situation.
584
00:29:57,372 --> 00:30:01,007
So then, how did Eddie
end up getting killed?
585
00:30:04,179 --> 00:30:08,281
[crying]
586
00:30:08,383 --> 00:30:13,286
So she says, blurts out,
"I didn't do anything
to hurt that guy.
587
00:30:13,355 --> 00:30:16,623
I just gave him the lighter
to start the fire."
588
00:30:16,625 --> 00:30:20,527
Really, Jennifer?
Well, that makes a big
difference then, doesn't it?
589
00:30:20,529 --> 00:30:23,997
When she says that
she has their attention.
590
00:30:24,099 --> 00:30:27,000
So Dale was the one
who killed Eddie?
591
00:30:31,707 --> 00:30:33,540
She wasn't aware that
he was gonna do that.
592
00:30:33,542 --> 00:30:36,977
Though once everything got
outta hand, she went
along with it.
593
00:30:36,979 --> 00:30:38,745
There's something else.
594
00:30:38,747 --> 00:30:42,883
But what she says next
really gets their attention.
595
00:30:42,951 --> 00:30:44,651
She goes, "Oh, yeah."
She goes, "Uh...
596
00:30:44,653 --> 00:30:47,954
There's another person that
we did the same thing to."
597
00:30:50,893 --> 00:30:53,093
I didn't know he'd kill
that old guy, I swear.
598
00:30:53,962 --> 00:30:55,996
[Kenda] What old guy
would that be?
599
00:30:57,733 --> 00:31:01,167
Well, his name is
Blaine Thacker.
600
00:31:01,169 --> 00:31:04,104
Jennifer Smith told us that
they knew Blaine Thacker
601
00:31:04,106 --> 00:31:07,007
'cause he was a friend
of Eddie's, one of his
closer friends.
602
00:31:11,246 --> 00:31:15,482
She said, you know, we met
him, went up to his apartment,
he bought us some food.
603
00:31:16,985 --> 00:31:20,754
I think her thoughts were
we're gonna go over here,
get something to eat,
604
00:31:20,756 --> 00:31:24,991
figure out what the heck
just went on, and where
we're gonna go from here.
605
00:31:26,361 --> 00:31:28,862
Dale and Blaine went
into the back room.
606
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:33,900
And Dale comes out...
607
00:31:37,606 --> 00:31:39,072
And he had blood on him.
608
00:31:39,074 --> 00:31:40,507
-What happened?
-We have to go!
609
00:31:40,608 --> 00:31:43,043
-What did you--
-We have to go now!
610
00:31:43,045 --> 00:31:47,547
[crying] I swear, I never
thought he'd take
things that far!
611
00:31:47,549 --> 00:31:49,049
[crying]
612
00:31:49,051 --> 00:31:51,685
[Wheeler] Jennifer gave
a lot of details.
613
00:31:51,786 --> 00:31:53,753
You know, it's not like
somebody was lying.
614
00:31:53,755 --> 00:31:56,890
She's just being
straightforward about
everything that happened.
615
00:31:58,460 --> 00:32:02,562
I think she knew she was in
way over her head, and I
gotta get out of this.
616
00:32:05,767 --> 00:32:09,469
She says, "I didn't wanna go
out like Bonnie and Clyde
617
00:32:09,471 --> 00:32:13,673
in a hail of police gunfire,
so I went back to Indiana."
618
00:32:13,675 --> 00:32:15,241
"And where did he go?"
619
00:32:15,243 --> 00:32:19,145
"Well, he said he was gonna
go to Miami. but he says
a lot of things."
620
00:32:21,083 --> 00:32:23,450
You have your suspect
and you also have Jennifer,
621
00:32:23,452 --> 00:32:25,185
so you gotta figure out
what you can do with Jennifer.
622
00:32:25,286 --> 00:32:30,490
We arrested Jennifer Smith
for complicity to commit
murder and arson.
623
00:32:32,761 --> 00:32:35,595
[Kenda] Jennifer Smith has
given them what they want.
624
00:32:35,697 --> 00:32:38,698
The killer of two
different people.
625
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,568
And his name is
Dale Moneypenny.
626
00:32:43,171 --> 00:32:45,171
Like the wolf who
circles the herd,
627
00:32:45,173 --> 00:32:49,776
he looks for the young
and the inattentive
and the sick
628
00:32:49,878 --> 00:32:54,147
and the ones who present
as a victim, and they
become those.
629
00:33:01,490 --> 00:33:03,757
[Wheeler] Once we heard
he was going to Florida,
630
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:05,892
Leigh did whatever she needed
to do to get him indicted.
631
00:33:08,964 --> 00:33:11,197
[phone ringing]
632
00:33:11,266 --> 00:33:13,600
[Maroni] We did notify
Miami-Dade County
633
00:33:13,668 --> 00:33:15,568
that he could be
in their general area
634
00:33:15,570 --> 00:33:20,507
and that there were warrants
for him through NCIC
for the double murders.
635
00:33:21,977 --> 00:33:26,346
And as personal as it
was for Dale to kill
Eddie and Blaine,
636
00:33:26,348 --> 00:33:30,784
it became as personal
for me to find him,
637
00:33:30,852 --> 00:33:33,753
and make sure that
justice was served.
638
00:33:40,062 --> 00:33:43,863
Several weeks pass,
there are two detectives
in this town in Florida
639
00:33:43,865 --> 00:33:46,866
that are looking for someone
in some other matter,
640
00:33:46,868 --> 00:33:50,270
when they see this car
driving erratically
and they stop it.
641
00:34:00,549 --> 00:34:03,249
Dale Moneypenny is
in the front seat.
642
00:34:03,251 --> 00:34:06,152
They run the name,
he's wanted for murder.
643
00:34:06,154 --> 00:34:10,990
Well, hello, Dale.
We've been looking for you
and now we've found you.
644
00:34:17,466 --> 00:34:19,165
Step out of the car
please, sir.
645
00:34:20,635 --> 00:34:24,704
[Kenda] Criminals, when the
have success committing
their crime,
646
00:34:24,772 --> 00:34:27,807
begin to believe
they're geniuses.
647
00:34:27,843 --> 00:34:31,344
They are all Professor
Moriarty, by heaven.
648
00:34:31,346 --> 00:34:33,847
And there is no policeman
in the world that's gonna
649
00:34:33,849 --> 00:34:36,349
find them because
they're so clever.
650
00:34:36,351 --> 00:34:41,354
And the next thing you know
he's over the hood of a car
and he's in handcuffs.
651
00:34:42,357 --> 00:34:44,657
Shocked that he has
wound up there.
652
00:34:47,762 --> 00:34:50,497
My understanding is that when
Dale was down in Florida,
653
00:34:50,565 --> 00:34:54,601
uh, he encountered an older,
gay male in a bar.
654
00:34:54,669 --> 00:34:57,904
And they subsequently went
back to a hotel room,
655
00:34:57,972 --> 00:35:03,543
at what point Dale Moneypenny
tied him up, stole his credit
cards and stole his car.
656
00:35:03,545 --> 00:35:05,178
Well, there's a big surprise.
657
00:35:05,247 --> 00:35:07,847
That's what he does.
658
00:35:07,849 --> 00:35:12,152
Mr. Moneypenny is
arrested for unlawful flight
to avoid prosecution,
659
00:35:12,154 --> 00:35:17,190
and he will be extradited
to the state of Kentucky
to answer for his crime.
660
00:35:19,561 --> 00:35:23,196
Fugitive detectives went
down and flew home with him.
661
00:35:23,265 --> 00:35:24,564
You always feel better when
you have somebody
662
00:35:24,566 --> 00:35:26,032
in custody, especially
someone like that.
663
00:35:26,034 --> 00:35:27,700
It's a sense of relief
and accomplishment
664
00:35:27,769 --> 00:35:30,770
that you're able to catch him
and get him locked up
and off the streets.
665
00:35:35,944 --> 00:35:39,979
Immediately after getting off
the plane, they brought him
to the homicide office
666
00:35:40,048 --> 00:35:43,950
and we were ready,
and, uh, we began
an interview with him.
667
00:35:53,662 --> 00:35:56,863
I remember looking at him
and just thinking, you know
he's just a kid.
668
00:35:56,865 --> 00:35:59,098
He did not ask
for an attorney.
669
00:35:59,134 --> 00:36:00,466
He agreed to sit
down and talk.
670
00:36:00,468 --> 00:36:04,170
He appeared, to me,
to be tired of running.
671
00:36:05,273 --> 00:36:08,007
All right, Dale. We aren't
here to judge you.
672
00:36:08,843 --> 00:36:10,476
We just wanna know the truth.
673
00:36:10,478 --> 00:36:16,649
You know, as a female
detective a lot of times
you appear to younger suspects
674
00:36:16,651 --> 00:36:20,653
as a motherly-type figure
and you're easier to talk
to for them,
675
00:36:20,655 --> 00:36:22,789
especially about horrible
things that they've done.
676
00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:24,390
It worked in this case.
677
00:36:24,492 --> 00:36:28,261
I... I can tell
you what I know.
678
00:36:29,598 --> 00:36:34,167
-How about you start
with Eddie Poynter?
-[chuckling] Eddie?
679
00:36:35,070 --> 00:36:37,470
Dale said he needed
a place to stay.
680
00:36:37,472 --> 00:36:39,973
Eddie opened his home
to Mr. Moneypenny,
681
00:36:39,975 --> 00:36:42,542
and allowed him
and Jennifer to stay there.
682
00:36:42,544 --> 00:36:48,681
Moneypenny used his
good looks and his charm
to manipulate Eddie
683
00:36:48,683 --> 00:36:52,485
into giving him what he
needed... Or wanted.
684
00:36:55,857 --> 00:36:56,889
Hey, man.
685
00:36:56,958 --> 00:36:58,324
Eddie, you got any
money for me?
686
00:36:58,426 --> 00:37:02,161
Look, Dale, I can't have
you guys freeloading
here anymore.
687
00:37:03,965 --> 00:37:08,701
And all of the sudden,
out of nowhere, he said
he was kicking us out.
688
00:37:08,770 --> 00:37:11,371
Eddie had told him that
he and Jennifer were
689
00:37:11,373 --> 00:37:13,373
no longer gonna be able
to stay in his house,
690
00:37:13,375 --> 00:37:15,975
and that they were gonna
have to find another
place to live.
691
00:37:16,044 --> 00:37:18,745
And that sent him into a rag
692
00:37:20,548 --> 00:37:21,748
Do you understand me?
693
00:37:22,584 --> 00:37:25,218
No. I don't think so!
694
00:37:25,220 --> 00:37:26,653
[screaming]
695
00:37:26,655 --> 00:37:30,089
He was so outraged that
he turned around and...
696
00:37:30,959 --> 00:37:31,891
Killed him.
697
00:37:31,993 --> 00:37:33,192
[screaming]
698
00:37:34,262 --> 00:37:35,995
His rubber band breaks.
699
00:37:36,064 --> 00:37:39,766
Something in his head
that comes unplugged.
700
00:37:39,768 --> 00:37:41,367
What is that?
701
00:37:41,369 --> 00:37:42,869
I have no idea.
702
00:37:42,871 --> 00:37:44,470
But it does.
703
00:37:44,472 --> 00:37:49,442
And when it does, he is
a raving banshee
704
00:37:49,444 --> 00:37:51,577
with a knife in his hand.
705
00:37:51,646 --> 00:37:53,980
[screaming]
706
00:37:58,787 --> 00:38:02,555
Dale now comes back out
of the ether of his rage
707
00:38:02,557 --> 00:38:06,259
and realizes this
mess he's created.
708
00:38:06,261 --> 00:38:10,263
How are you gonna stop
the police from finding this
709
00:38:10,265 --> 00:38:14,267
And he comes up with
the genius idea
of burning it down.
710
00:38:18,373 --> 00:38:20,473
That fire will fix it all.
711
00:38:22,644 --> 00:38:25,078
He gathers up clothing
around the room...
712
00:38:26,881 --> 00:38:27,980
And paper.
713
00:38:29,718 --> 00:38:31,617
Give me a lighter!
714
00:38:35,557 --> 00:38:40,893
[Kenda] Starts a series
of small fires assuming
it will ignite the place.
715
00:38:42,197 --> 00:38:43,796
He's right, it does.
716
00:38:49,170 --> 00:38:51,904
Pretty soon it's fully
involved and they run.
717
00:38:58,380 --> 00:39:01,547
So now we needed
some place to stay.
718
00:39:01,549 --> 00:39:05,451
And then they said,
"What are we gonna do now?"
719
00:39:05,453 --> 00:39:08,154
[Kenda] So they wander off
to another place where
they've been,
720
00:39:08,156 --> 00:39:11,758
which is Blaine
Thacker's house.
721
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,660
Blaine takes them in
because he's a nice man.
722
00:39:14,662 --> 00:39:16,295
Dale snaps again.
723
00:39:24,038 --> 00:39:26,672
Dale just took matters
into his own hands.
724
00:39:26,674 --> 00:39:29,642
Knew that he needed
financial resources...
725
00:39:29,644 --> 00:39:32,512
Uh, to either get out
of town or get to where
he needed to go.
726
00:39:32,547 --> 00:39:37,083
And killed Mr. Thacker
and then, uh, stole
from him as well.
727
00:39:38,286 --> 00:39:41,788
-Was that you and Jennifer's
plan all along?
-No.
728
00:39:42,857 --> 00:39:45,258
She didn't know any
of that was gonna happen.
729
00:39:45,260 --> 00:39:49,996
Dale knew Jennifer had
been arrested and confirmed
her statements
730
00:39:49,998 --> 00:39:54,000
that her responsibility
was not as great as his.
731
00:39:57,572 --> 00:40:01,207
Jennifer Smith decided
to plead guilty
to avoid trial,
732
00:40:01,276 --> 00:40:05,144
and her sentence was
a 10-year sentence to serve.
733
00:40:07,549 --> 00:40:09,982
[Kenda] Dale pleads guilty.
734
00:40:09,984 --> 00:40:11,350
And he's sentenced
to life in prison.
735
00:40:11,352 --> 00:40:12,418
And what does he do with that?
736
00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:16,389
Well, he engages
in pen pals for criminals.
737
00:40:17,425 --> 00:40:20,560
I'm sure he tells them
he lives in a gated communit
738
00:40:20,562 --> 00:40:22,562
You know, like a prison.
739
00:40:22,564 --> 00:40:25,264
Good Lord.
740
00:40:25,266 --> 00:40:28,201
[Wheeler] He may have
plead guilty just to avoid
the death penalty,
741
00:40:28,302 --> 00:40:30,870
but he's shown no remorse
or nothing for his victims.
742
00:40:30,872 --> 00:40:32,371
He could care less.
743
00:40:40,648 --> 00:40:42,682
[Masterson] I'm happy
he's in jail.
744
00:40:42,750 --> 00:40:44,750
I don't know that there's
ever really justice.
745
00:40:44,752 --> 00:40:48,688
I mean, it's not gonna bring
Blaine back, it's not gonna
bring Eddie back.
746
00:40:48,756 --> 00:40:52,658
And their lives were cut
short for what?
747
00:40:52,660 --> 00:40:57,763
These guys couldn't have
been more innocent
a victim as they get.
748
00:40:57,765 --> 00:41:00,700
I just think they were
victims of opportunity.
749
00:41:00,768 --> 00:41:04,470
Victims of opening their
home to the wrong person.
750
00:41:05,473 --> 00:41:08,074
I think Dale was a con man
751
00:41:08,076 --> 00:41:11,978
and he knew the power
of his charm,
752
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,914
and what that could
do for him.
753
00:41:20,688 --> 00:41:25,358
[Kenda] Moneypenny inserts
himself into people's lives
754
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:26,893
He's like a tick.
755
00:41:26,928 --> 00:41:30,696
He crawls on the surface
of your skin and buries
himself in it.
756
00:41:30,798 --> 00:41:32,965
He endears himself to you.
757
00:41:32,967 --> 00:41:37,570
He uses every ploy within
his power to gain your trust
758
00:41:37,572 --> 00:41:40,072
your attention,
and your affection.
759
00:41:40,074 --> 00:41:43,976
And eventually he determines
what you have that
he might want.
760
00:41:43,978 --> 00:41:46,746
And if you resist
that happening,
761
00:41:46,748 --> 00:41:48,748
then I'm sorry, you're
gonna have to die.
762
00:41:53,655 --> 00:41:55,955
[Benzel] It's mindboggling
that a human being could
763
00:41:55,957 --> 00:41:58,991
do something like that
to another human being.
764
00:41:59,060 --> 00:42:01,260
Thank goodness for law
enforcement
765
00:42:01,262 --> 00:42:03,496
and people that are able
to find these people
766
00:42:03,598 --> 00:42:05,498
and put them where
they need to be.
767
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,168
[Kenda] Detective Maroni
used her instincts
768
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:12,305
and her training to resolve
the death of two people.
769
00:42:12,406 --> 00:42:16,075
To put someone responsible
for that in a can where
he belongs.
770
00:42:16,177 --> 00:42:19,478
That's the effort shown by a
homicide detectives.
771
00:42:19,547 --> 00:42:23,749
To stand in the shoes
of the victim because
they can't anymore.
772
00:42:23,751 --> 00:42:27,987
And to give punishment
to those that took
that victim away.