1 00:01:53,905 --> 00:01:55,065 Anwen. 2 00:01:55,685 --> 00:01:57,123 - Long time. - Steve. 3 00:01:57,124 --> 00:01:59,923 We've done as you asked, removed Cooper from the scene. 4 00:01:59,924 --> 00:02:03,380 He is giving a statement down at Haverfordwest Station. 5 00:02:10,284 --> 00:02:13,151 The paramedics put her on the floor for CPR. 6 00:02:14,004 --> 00:02:16,203 We need the Home Office pathologist on this. 7 00:02:16,204 --> 00:02:17,884 I'll call the coroner. 8 00:02:18,764 --> 00:02:20,165 And Anwen... 9 00:02:20,204 --> 00:02:22,923 make sure everyone knows it's possible there's no crime here. 10 00:02:22,924 --> 00:02:24,963 Cooper should be treated as sensitively 11 00:02:24,964 --> 00:02:27,564 as any husband who's just lost his wife. 12 00:02:29,445 --> 00:02:31,845 There's no signs of a struggle. 13 00:02:38,565 --> 00:02:41,325 No bruising on the arms or neck. 14 00:02:44,045 --> 00:02:45,978 We could have prevented this. 15 00:02:49,725 --> 00:02:54,077 We won't know if he killed her until we get the pathologist's report. 16 00:02:54,364 --> 00:02:57,644 Till then, he won't be allowed back in the house. 17 00:02:57,684 --> 00:02:59,564 He's staying with his brother. 18 00:02:59,565 --> 00:03:01,083 But this is a warning. 19 00:03:01,084 --> 00:03:04,156 John Cooper is out, and no good can come of that. 20 00:03:05,325 --> 00:03:07,045 And... 21 00:03:07,084 --> 00:03:09,004 we could be shut down any day. 22 00:03:09,005 --> 00:03:11,924 So, it's not good enough for us to sit around 23 00:03:11,964 --> 00:03:14,885 waiting for forensics to save our arses. 24 00:03:16,045 --> 00:03:18,245 We have to make something happen. 25 00:03:20,325 --> 00:03:23,125 Those khaki shorts are out there. 26 00:03:30,644 --> 00:03:31,845 Morning. 27 00:03:32,924 --> 00:03:37,285 Ahead of you is 28 Rose Meadow Lane, Cooper's last home. 28 00:03:37,325 --> 00:03:41,165 Behind you is Sardis village. 29 00:03:41,204 --> 00:03:43,204 This was his hunting ground. 30 00:03:43,244 --> 00:03:45,605 Those fields were his rat runs. 31 00:03:45,644 --> 00:03:47,203 And thanks to Huntsman, we know that 32 00:03:47,204 --> 00:03:49,243 these hedgerows were his so-called "safes", 33 00:03:49,244 --> 00:03:52,924 where he hid items he'd stolen or his offending gear. 34 00:03:52,964 --> 00:03:56,284 Now, these khaki shorts worried him in the interviews. 35 00:03:56,285 --> 00:03:58,552 He thinks they're out there still. 36 00:04:19,725 --> 00:04:21,404 Steve Wilkins, hello. 37 00:04:21,405 --> 00:04:24,563 Hello, Mr Wilkins. It's the Home Office pathologist here. 38 00:04:24,564 --> 00:04:26,324 Hello, sir. 39 00:04:26,364 --> 00:04:28,604 Thank you for getting back to me so promptly. 40 00:04:28,605 --> 00:04:31,164 - The results of Pat Cooper's postmortem. - Yeah? 41 00:04:31,165 --> 00:04:33,324 She died of natural causes. 42 00:04:33,364 --> 00:04:35,324 - Natural causes? - Yes. 43 00:04:35,364 --> 00:04:37,724 - It was clearly heart failure. - Her heart? 44 00:04:37,725 --> 00:04:39,045 OK. 45 00:04:39,085 --> 00:04:40,124 All right. 46 00:04:40,165 --> 00:04:42,363 Well, thank you for getting back. We appreciate it. 47 00:04:42,364 --> 00:04:43,364 No problem. 48 00:04:47,165 --> 00:04:48,765 She saw this coming. 49 00:04:50,484 --> 00:04:54,844 She had an ad cut out from the paper about arranging your own funeral. 50 00:04:54,845 --> 00:04:56,205 She knew. 51 00:04:56,244 --> 00:04:59,828 She knew living with him again would be the death of her. 52 00:05:00,165 --> 00:05:02,164 Do you think he'll try and make contact with you? 53 00:05:02,165 --> 00:05:04,285 No chance. 54 00:05:04,324 --> 00:05:05,404 What about the funeral? 55 00:05:05,405 --> 00:05:06,644 He won't want me there. 56 00:05:06,645 --> 00:05:08,325 What about what you want? 57 00:05:09,645 --> 00:05:13,483 If you want to attend your mother's funeral, we can help with that. 58 00:05:13,484 --> 00:05:14,684 Too much aggro. 59 00:05:15,765 --> 00:05:17,832 I'll go see her in my own time. 60 00:05:18,884 --> 00:05:20,045 Andrew... 61 00:05:20,085 --> 00:05:22,352 on behalf of my team and myself... 62 00:05:23,444 --> 00:05:24,484 I'm sorry. 63 00:05:27,364 --> 00:05:29,044 It wasn't your fault. 64 00:05:30,405 --> 00:05:32,605 Bad things happen around bad men. 65 00:05:38,285 --> 00:05:39,644 He's right, Steve. 66 00:05:39,645 --> 00:05:41,645 It wasn't our fault. 67 00:05:41,684 --> 00:05:44,443 If Cooper was still inside, Pat would still be alive 68 00:05:44,444 --> 00:05:46,844 and Andrew would still have a mother. 69 00:05:52,804 --> 00:05:56,452 But with Pat out of the picture, he's even more dangerous. 70 00:05:56,924 --> 00:05:58,924 It's like a ticking time bomb. 71 00:06:00,124 --> 00:06:02,924 Living on his own is new territory for him. 72 00:06:07,444 --> 00:06:09,177 Just him and his thoughts. 73 00:06:10,525 --> 00:06:12,325 His fantasies, compulsions. 74 00:06:13,845 --> 00:06:15,564 Ten years' worth. 75 00:06:24,605 --> 00:06:27,363 We have come together to commend our sister Patricia 76 00:06:27,364 --> 00:06:30,363 into the hands of Almighty God, our heavenly father. 77 00:06:30,364 --> 00:06:31,724 In the presence of death, 78 00:06:31,725 --> 00:06:35,165 Christians have sure grounds for hope and confidence, 79 00:06:35,205 --> 00:06:38,324 and even joy, because the Lord Jesus Christ, 80 00:06:38,364 --> 00:06:43,484 who shared our human life and death, was raised again triumphant 81 00:06:43,525 --> 00:06:46,323 and lives evermore. In this faith, we put our trust. 82 00:06:46,324 --> 00:06:49,165 Help us, we humbly beseech thee, Lord. 83 00:06:50,324 --> 00:06:53,085 Amen. 84 00:07:35,484 --> 00:07:36,684 Fuck! 85 00:07:38,165 --> 00:07:39,444 Glyn... 86 00:07:39,484 --> 00:07:43,243 Huntsman recovered all the items of clothing from the house, correct? 87 00:07:43,244 --> 00:07:45,405 Yeah, they did, yeah. 88 00:07:45,444 --> 00:07:48,645 - And they photographed every item? - Yeah. 89 00:07:50,124 --> 00:07:51,765 Khaki shorts. 90 00:07:51,804 --> 00:07:53,324 They're the same. 91 00:07:53,364 --> 00:07:55,724 There's something wrong with this picture. 92 00:07:55,725 --> 00:07:59,123 Could the colour be affected by the processing? The flash? 93 00:07:59,124 --> 00:08:01,857 Yeah, I guess so. And it's an old picture. 94 00:08:03,405 --> 00:08:06,669 We need to see what these shorts actually look like. 95 00:08:31,124 --> 00:08:32,605 Jesus Christ... 96 00:08:34,004 --> 00:08:35,605 They are khaki. 97 00:08:35,645 --> 00:08:38,004 But they do look a lot shorter. 98 00:08:38,045 --> 00:08:40,165 Maybe he had them altered. 99 00:08:40,204 --> 00:08:41,723 Pat was a seamstress. 100 00:08:41,724 --> 00:08:42,924 May I? 101 00:08:47,045 --> 00:08:49,443 Oh, Steve, elasticated waistband. No fly. 102 00:08:49,444 --> 00:08:50,765 They... 103 00:08:50,804 --> 00:08:52,804 They look like women's shorts. 104 00:08:56,204 --> 00:08:58,471 Yeah, well, they're all we've got. 105 00:09:00,084 --> 00:09:02,351 We're sending them in for testing. 106 00:09:21,886 --> 00:09:23,406 Steve Wilkins. 107 00:09:23,447 --> 00:09:25,086 Steve, it's Angela Gallop. 108 00:09:25,087 --> 00:09:27,327 Are you driving, by any chance? 109 00:09:27,366 --> 00:09:29,487 It's OK, you're on speaker. 110 00:09:29,526 --> 00:09:31,593 I think you'd better pull over. 111 00:09:41,087 --> 00:09:42,286 OK. 112 00:09:42,327 --> 00:09:44,126 - What is it? - Right... 113 00:09:44,166 --> 00:09:46,606 So, we unpicked the hem of the shorts, like you asked, 114 00:09:46,607 --> 00:09:49,687 and we taped the uncovered area for fibres 115 00:09:49,727 --> 00:09:52,727 and noticed there is a faint stain. 116 00:09:52,766 --> 00:09:54,686 So, we went back to the exact same spot 117 00:09:54,687 --> 00:09:56,847 on the shorts and... 118 00:09:56,886 --> 00:09:59,286 ...found a tiny flake of blood. 119 00:10:01,046 --> 00:10:03,166 It's Peter Dixon's. 120 00:10:06,727 --> 00:10:09,126 - How sure are you? - Full profile. 121 00:10:09,166 --> 00:10:12,765 The probability of that blood having come from anybody else 122 00:10:12,766 --> 00:10:14,125 is a billion to one. 123 00:10:14,126 --> 00:10:16,193 It's your golden nugget, Steve. 124 00:10:18,246 --> 00:10:19,447 Steve? 125 00:10:21,607 --> 00:10:23,207 Are you still there? 126 00:10:26,126 --> 00:10:28,726 Please, don't take this the wrong way... 127 00:10:29,487 --> 00:10:33,046 ...but I bloody love you! 128 00:10:57,366 --> 00:10:59,046 Charge him with the lot. 129 00:11:02,207 --> 00:11:04,046 Including Nolton Hill? 130 00:11:04,087 --> 00:11:05,967 - The lot. - Yes! 131 00:11:09,087 --> 00:11:10,207 Thank you. 132 00:11:14,207 --> 00:11:15,406 Thank you. 133 00:11:17,967 --> 00:11:19,407 Check the vehicle. 134 00:11:20,447 --> 00:11:21,886 We're going in. 135 00:11:33,847 --> 00:11:35,126 Morning, John. 136 00:11:36,807 --> 00:11:38,206 John William Cooper, 137 00:11:38,207 --> 00:11:41,005 you're under arrest for the murders of Helen and Richard Thomas... 138 00:11:41,006 --> 00:11:43,790 - Fuck off! Get off me! Fuck off! - ...and Peter and Gwenda Dixon. 139 00:11:43,791 --> 00:11:44,926 You are also under arrest 140 00:11:44,927 --> 00:11:47,606 for attempted armed robbery, rape and sexual assault 141 00:11:47,607 --> 00:11:52,327 during an attack on five teenagers in Milford Haven in 1996. 142 00:11:55,847 --> 00:11:57,406 Boss... 143 00:11:59,046 --> 00:12:00,487 Jesus... 144 00:12:00,526 --> 00:12:03,260 And I found this in the glove compartment. 145 00:12:04,807 --> 00:12:07,406 We got him just in time. 146 00:12:15,246 --> 00:12:16,886 Right, John. 147 00:12:16,927 --> 00:12:18,926 You know Detective Inspector Richards. 148 00:12:18,927 --> 00:12:22,246 I am Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins. 149 00:12:22,286 --> 00:12:24,126 I know who you are. 150 00:12:28,927 --> 00:12:30,807 Can you see OK, John? 151 00:12:30,847 --> 00:12:33,983 I've got a spare pair of glasses if you need them. 152 00:12:35,766 --> 00:12:37,006 That's me. 153 00:12:37,046 --> 00:12:38,207 That isn't. 154 00:12:38,246 --> 00:12:41,566 The last time we met, you said you'd never had collar-length hair. 155 00:12:41,567 --> 00:12:44,606 Oh, so I forgot that I had collar-length hair 20 years ago. 156 00:12:44,607 --> 00:12:45,846 It's not a crime, is it? 157 00:12:45,847 --> 00:12:49,566 Let's talk about the shorts the man in the drawing's wearing, John. 158 00:12:49,567 --> 00:12:55,126 Mr Cooper is being shown a photo of item AJM/165. 159 00:12:55,166 --> 00:12:58,686 The khaki shorts recovered by Huntsman from 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 160 00:12:58,687 --> 00:13:00,525 Now, the last time you spoke to us, John, 161 00:13:00,526 --> 00:13:02,765 you said that you'd once owned a pair of 162 00:13:02,766 --> 00:13:04,606 what you described as khaki bathers. 163 00:13:04,607 --> 00:13:06,207 Is that them? 164 00:13:06,246 --> 00:13:07,687 Well... 165 00:13:07,727 --> 00:13:09,446 if they're from my home, maybe. 166 00:13:09,447 --> 00:13:11,405 Strictly speaking, they're not bathers, John. 167 00:13:11,406 --> 00:13:12,645 The fabric's too heavy. 168 00:13:12,646 --> 00:13:14,966 I used them as bathers. So, to me, that's what they are. 169 00:13:14,967 --> 00:13:17,125 During the interview in July 2008, 170 00:13:17,126 --> 00:13:19,885 you said that the shorts worn by the man in the drawing 171 00:13:19,886 --> 00:13:23,326 couldn't possibly be yours as your bathers were much shorter. 172 00:13:23,327 --> 00:13:25,646 See for yourself. 173 00:13:25,687 --> 00:13:30,366 For the tape, I'm showing Mr Cooper item AJM/165/B. 174 00:13:30,406 --> 00:13:32,125 We unpicked the hem, John. 175 00:13:32,126 --> 00:13:35,045 So, do you see how, with the excess fabric turned down, 176 00:13:35,046 --> 00:13:38,446 the difference in length between the two pairs of shorts is reduced? 177 00:13:38,447 --> 00:13:40,645 If you do that to any garment, that's what'll happen. 178 00:13:40,646 --> 00:13:43,285 Yeah, we know your wife used to work as a seamstress. 179 00:13:43,286 --> 00:13:44,566 Did she alter these shorts? 180 00:13:44,567 --> 00:13:46,807 You leave my wife out of this. 181 00:13:46,847 --> 00:13:48,686 Since the July 2008 interviews, 182 00:13:48,687 --> 00:13:50,606 certain forensic discoveries have been made 183 00:13:50,607 --> 00:13:52,326 which we would like to discuss with you 184 00:13:52,327 --> 00:13:54,765 so that you can have an opportunity to comment. 185 00:13:54,766 --> 00:13:58,006 In reference to AJM/165/B, 186 00:13:58,046 --> 00:14:00,365 this white circle indicates an area 187 00:14:00,366 --> 00:14:03,045 where an amount of Peter Dixon's blood was found. 188 00:14:03,046 --> 00:14:06,727 Can you give us an explanation as to how that might be? 189 00:14:15,046 --> 00:14:19,046 Pat got most of my clothes from the Oxfam and Army Surplus. 190 00:14:21,246 --> 00:14:23,486 Oh, and you should also be talking to my son. 191 00:14:23,487 --> 00:14:26,645 As I told you all before, he was in the habit of borrowing my clothes. 192 00:14:26,646 --> 00:14:27,727 John... 193 00:14:27,766 --> 00:14:29,927 was Peter Dixon's blood 194 00:14:29,967 --> 00:14:33,046 deposited on the khaki shorts when you shot him? 195 00:14:34,207 --> 00:14:36,525 I've never killed anybody in my life. These shorts... 196 00:14:36,526 --> 00:14:38,727 sorry, bathers... 197 00:14:38,766 --> 00:14:42,862 were something of a treasure trove, John. Especially the pockets. 198 00:14:43,526 --> 00:14:46,406 Photo AJM/166. 199 00:14:46,447 --> 00:14:49,726 What this photo shows us, John, is a microscopic image 200 00:14:49,727 --> 00:14:52,566 of the fluff found in the pockets of your khaki bathers. 201 00:14:52,567 --> 00:14:54,765 Fluff that consisted of human hair. 202 00:14:54,766 --> 00:14:57,487 Yours. Skin cells. Also yours. 203 00:14:57,526 --> 00:15:00,087 But nothing of your son, though. 204 00:15:00,126 --> 00:15:04,526 Certain fabric fibres were also found in the fluff. 205 00:15:04,567 --> 00:15:07,847 For the tape, glove BB/109, 206 00:15:07,886 --> 00:15:12,126 found under the hedgerow near your home at 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 207 00:15:12,166 --> 00:15:17,126 MTJ/5 and 7 recovered by Huntsman from the Sardis trail. 208 00:15:17,166 --> 00:15:18,885 John, are these three gloves yours? 209 00:15:18,886 --> 00:15:20,886 Absolutely not. 210 00:15:21,927 --> 00:15:25,645 As I told you before, Adrian was the glove-wearer in our family. 211 00:15:25,646 --> 00:15:28,486 I never wore gloves. I found them too cumbersome. 212 00:15:28,487 --> 00:15:32,071 What about the new pair we found in the boot of your car? 213 00:15:32,687 --> 00:15:34,006 Well... 214 00:15:34,046 --> 00:15:35,566 obviously, I wear gloves now. 215 00:15:35,567 --> 00:15:37,525 Now I'm older, I feel the cold more. 216 00:15:37,526 --> 00:15:39,726 Fibres exactly matching the constituent fibres 217 00:15:39,727 --> 00:15:42,646 of these three gloves were found in the fluff 218 00:15:42,687 --> 00:15:44,405 from the pockets of your khaki bathers. 219 00:15:44,406 --> 00:15:47,447 - How do you account for that? - Are you deaf? 220 00:15:50,607 --> 00:15:53,679 I told you, Adrian wore the bathers more than me. 221 00:15:54,927 --> 00:15:58,125 When two articles of clothing come into contact with each other, 222 00:15:58,126 --> 00:15:59,765 there is always an exchange of fibres. 223 00:15:59,766 --> 00:16:01,886 On glove BB/109, 224 00:16:01,927 --> 00:16:04,486 our team found fibres from another source. 225 00:16:04,487 --> 00:16:07,006 For the tape, BM/1, 226 00:16:07,046 --> 00:16:09,487 a sock belonging to Richard Thomas. 227 00:16:09,526 --> 00:16:12,245 The only item of clothing recovered from his body 228 00:16:12,246 --> 00:16:16,246 after it was destroyed in the fire at Scoveston Park in 1985. 229 00:16:16,286 --> 00:16:20,487 Fibres from this sock were found on glove BB/109. 230 00:16:20,526 --> 00:16:23,726 And fibres from this glove were found on this sock. 231 00:16:24,607 --> 00:16:26,847 - Are you with me so far, John? - Oh, keep talking, yeah. 232 00:16:26,848 --> 00:16:27,806 I know you want to. 233 00:16:27,807 --> 00:16:30,285 These discoveries are consistent with the accepted view 234 00:16:30,286 --> 00:16:32,606 that Richard Thomas' killer wore gloves 235 00:16:32,607 --> 00:16:34,926 when he dragged his body from the outbuilding 236 00:16:34,927 --> 00:16:37,246 into the main house at Scoveston. 237 00:16:37,286 --> 00:16:39,165 Are you listening to this, huh? 238 00:16:39,166 --> 00:16:41,487 - This is Fantasy Island. - John... 239 00:16:41,526 --> 00:16:42,966 are you the person responsible 240 00:16:42,967 --> 00:16:44,726 for the murder of Richard and Helen Thomas 241 00:16:44,727 --> 00:16:47,061 at Scoveston Park in December 1985? 242 00:16:48,727 --> 00:16:50,046 No. 243 00:16:50,087 --> 00:16:51,447 I was not. 244 00:16:51,487 --> 00:16:53,486 Fibres are the gifts that keep on giving, John. 245 00:16:53,487 --> 00:16:55,245 Other fibres, from a different source, 246 00:16:55,246 --> 00:16:57,766 were found on gloves MTJ/5 and 7. 247 00:17:00,006 --> 00:17:01,927 For the tape, BKG/9. 248 00:17:01,967 --> 00:17:04,406 Those fibres were an exact match 249 00:17:04,447 --> 00:17:07,566 with constituent fibres found in the underwear of a young female 250 00:17:07,567 --> 00:17:12,086 who was raped on the evening of the 6th March 1996 251 00:17:12,127 --> 00:17:15,045 in a field by the Nolton Hill Estate, Milford Haven. 252 00:17:15,046 --> 00:17:18,487 John, are you the person who, on 6th March 1996, 253 00:17:18,526 --> 00:17:20,325 pointed a gun at five young people, 254 00:17:20,326 --> 00:17:23,246 three females and two males, on Nolton Hill 255 00:17:23,286 --> 00:17:25,153 and searched them for money? 256 00:17:26,526 --> 00:17:28,326 Mr Cooper has not answered. 257 00:17:28,367 --> 00:17:32,143 John, are you the person who raped one of the young females? 258 00:17:34,367 --> 00:17:36,126 Mr Cooper has not answered. 259 00:17:36,127 --> 00:17:38,166 John, are you the person who indecently assaulted 260 00:17:38,167 --> 00:17:40,286 one of the other young females? 261 00:17:49,127 --> 00:17:50,325 For the tape... 262 00:17:50,326 --> 00:17:54,127 PH/2, the sawn-off shotgun found on the Sardis trail, 263 00:17:54,167 --> 00:17:56,085 which matches the description 264 00:17:56,086 --> 00:17:59,005 given by two of the victims of the Nolton Hill attack, 265 00:17:59,006 --> 00:18:01,245 and the victim in the Sardis robbery, 266 00:18:01,246 --> 00:18:04,806 a crime we know you were convicted of in 1998. 267 00:18:04,846 --> 00:18:06,525 If you're gonna say that you found my DNA 268 00:18:06,526 --> 00:18:08,487 on that, I told her... 269 00:18:08,526 --> 00:18:10,966 about the prosecution making me handle it during the trial. 270 00:18:10,967 --> 00:18:14,487 Well, we did find DNA on the gun, John. 271 00:18:14,526 --> 00:18:15,927 But not yours. 272 00:18:15,967 --> 00:18:19,167 You see the black finish on the barrel and stock? 273 00:18:20,167 --> 00:18:22,647 Anvileen satin black metal paint. 274 00:18:22,687 --> 00:18:27,167 For the tape, JAW/100, 275 00:18:27,207 --> 00:18:31,207 recovered by Huntsman from the shed at 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 276 00:18:31,246 --> 00:18:33,407 John... 277 00:18:33,447 --> 00:18:36,085 were you the one who applied this paint to the barrel of the gun? 278 00:18:36,086 --> 00:18:38,647 That is not... 279 00:18:38,687 --> 00:18:41,967 my gun. 280 00:18:42,006 --> 00:18:43,605 We had the paint removed. 281 00:18:43,606 --> 00:18:47,086 On some of the flakes, our forensic scientists 282 00:18:47,127 --> 00:18:50,519 noticed a reddish cast that tested positive for blood. 283 00:18:51,207 --> 00:18:53,207 Peter Dixon's blood. 284 00:18:53,246 --> 00:18:55,167 John... 285 00:18:55,207 --> 00:18:59,806 did you shoot Peter and Gwenda Dixon with this gun? 286 00:19:05,967 --> 00:19:08,975 - What are you doing, John? - John... 287 00:19:09,887 --> 00:19:12,367 Sit down, John. 288 00:19:43,661 --> 00:19:45,461 Erin James? 289 00:19:45,502 --> 00:19:47,742 Erin Davies. I'm married. 290 00:19:48,701 --> 00:19:50,421 Hi, Erin. 291 00:19:50,461 --> 00:19:52,861 I'm Detective Inspector Ella Richards. 292 00:19:52,862 --> 00:19:55,261 This is Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins. 293 00:19:55,262 --> 00:19:56,782 Mm, I remember you. 294 00:20:06,141 --> 00:20:08,661 Erin, we've recently arrested a man 295 00:20:08,701 --> 00:20:11,342 on suspicion of committing four murders. 296 00:20:11,381 --> 00:20:13,900 We also believe he was the man who attacked you 297 00:20:13,901 --> 00:20:15,581 and your friends in 1996. 298 00:20:16,981 --> 00:20:18,661 After all this time? 299 00:20:18,701 --> 00:20:21,661 I'm so sorry. I realise this must be a shock. 300 00:20:21,701 --> 00:20:24,601 Why couldn't you have done this 13 years ago? 301 00:20:25,342 --> 00:20:26,661 Erin... 302 00:20:26,701 --> 00:20:28,301 may I say something? 303 00:20:32,502 --> 00:20:34,302 We know we let you down. 304 00:20:35,822 --> 00:20:38,900 All we want is to see to it the man who hurt you and your friends 305 00:20:38,901 --> 00:20:41,101 never gets to hurt anyone else ever again. 306 00:20:41,102 --> 00:20:43,369 And you can help make that happen. 307 00:20:45,221 --> 00:20:47,501 All of you will be assigned Family Liaison Officers 308 00:20:47,502 --> 00:20:49,700 to support you and your family through the process. 309 00:20:49,701 --> 00:20:51,420 The trial won't be for weeks yet. 310 00:20:51,421 --> 00:20:53,941 I won't be taking part in any trial. 311 00:20:53,981 --> 00:20:56,261 None of you will be required to appear in court. 312 00:20:56,262 --> 00:20:58,796 Everything will be done via video link. 313 00:20:59,822 --> 00:21:02,541 You won't have to be in the same room as him. 314 00:21:02,542 --> 00:21:05,421 My husband doesn't know I was raped. 315 00:21:17,221 --> 00:21:18,941 How was it? 316 00:21:18,981 --> 00:21:21,621 Leanne Dauncey will testify. 317 00:21:21,661 --> 00:21:24,620 Erin's angry, but Leanne thinks she can talk her round. 318 00:21:24,621 --> 00:21:27,821 Karen Joseph's out of the question. She's practically housebound. 319 00:21:27,822 --> 00:21:31,342 She's had mental health issues ever since the attack. 320 00:21:31,381 --> 00:21:33,581 The two boys won't cooperate, either. 321 00:21:33,582 --> 00:21:37,781 Not after everything that happened with the original investigation. 322 00:21:37,782 --> 00:21:40,660 The trial begins at Swansea Crown Court tomorrow 323 00:21:40,661 --> 00:21:45,181 of 65-year-old John William Cooper of Letterston, Pembrokeshire. 324 00:21:45,221 --> 00:21:47,980 Cooper has been charged with the four murders 325 00:21:47,981 --> 00:21:49,940 and with the rape and indecent assault 326 00:21:49,941 --> 00:21:54,141 of two teenage girls at Milford Haven in 1996. 327 00:22:04,141 --> 00:22:07,101 The defence will make much of the fact that the khaki shorts 328 00:22:07,102 --> 00:22:09,221 are indeed women's shorts. 329 00:22:09,262 --> 00:22:12,581 That it makes no sense that the defendant was wearing them 330 00:22:12,582 --> 00:22:15,382 when he brutally murdered Mr and Mrs Dixon. 331 00:22:15,862 --> 00:22:19,822 But murder cases have a habit of defying common sense. 332 00:22:20,862 --> 00:22:23,662 According to the son of Mr and Mrs Dixon... 333 00:22:24,461 --> 00:22:27,861 ...whenever his parents went walking and his mother was wearing 334 00:22:27,862 --> 00:22:30,940 long trousers, she would always put a pair of shorts 335 00:22:30,941 --> 00:22:34,862 in her backpack in case the weather turned warm. 336 00:22:34,901 --> 00:22:37,701 But no shorts of any description were found 337 00:22:37,742 --> 00:22:39,876 at the Coastal Path crime scene. 338 00:22:40,421 --> 00:22:42,221 Why? 339 00:22:43,901 --> 00:22:46,980 Imagine the sequence of events, ladies and gentlemen. 340 00:22:46,981 --> 00:22:51,262 The defendant shoots the Dixons at close range. 341 00:22:51,302 --> 00:22:55,022 He then moves their bodies and covers them with branches. 342 00:22:55,062 --> 00:22:58,062 In the process, some of their blood - 343 00:22:58,102 --> 00:23:02,180 judging by these distressing images, probably a lot of their blood - 344 00:23:02,181 --> 00:23:04,901 gets onto his trousers. 345 00:23:04,941 --> 00:23:09,381 In a panic, he goes through his victims' backpacks and finds... 346 00:23:10,461 --> 00:23:13,701 ...Mrs Dixon's khaki shorts. 347 00:23:13,742 --> 00:23:15,980 He removes his own blood-stained trousers 348 00:23:15,981 --> 00:23:19,901 and puts on Mrs Dixon's shorts and quits the scene, 349 00:23:19,941 --> 00:23:23,542 taking his trousers with him, unaware that a single spot 350 00:23:23,582 --> 00:23:28,621 of Peter Dixon's blood had found its way onto the shorts. 351 00:23:35,141 --> 00:23:37,062 How come you're not inside? 352 00:23:39,022 --> 00:23:41,421 The SIO is the last Crown witness. 353 00:23:42,502 --> 00:23:45,061 I'm not allowed in until I give my evidence. 354 00:23:45,062 --> 00:23:46,662 How are you feeling? 355 00:23:47,981 --> 00:23:49,701 Ready as I'll ever be. 356 00:23:50,981 --> 00:23:52,342 Come on. 357 00:23:55,661 --> 00:23:59,862 This police artist's impression was based on 358 00:23:59,901 --> 00:24:02,341 a witness sighting of the defendant as he withdrew cash 359 00:24:02,342 --> 00:24:07,621 from a NatWest ATM in Haverfordwest using Peter Dixon's bank card. 360 00:24:07,661 --> 00:24:12,542 The sighting was made two days after the murder and yet, incredibly, 361 00:24:12,582 --> 00:24:16,461 the defendant was still wearing Mrs Dixon's khaki shorts. 362 00:24:16,502 --> 00:24:21,381 A hugely incriminating piece of evidence linking him to two murders. 363 00:24:21,421 --> 00:24:26,421 Why on earth had he not disposed of them at the earliest opportunity? 364 00:24:26,461 --> 00:24:30,701 Think about what that says about the mind of John William Cooper. 365 00:24:30,742 --> 00:24:33,262 Was he thumbing his nose at the world, 366 00:24:33,302 --> 00:24:38,302 convinced that he was too clever to be caught for his horrific crime? 367 00:24:38,342 --> 00:24:42,582 Or was his motivation darker, stranger? 368 00:24:42,621 --> 00:24:48,181 Did he regard Mrs Dixon's shorts as a trophy to be worn with pride... 369 00:24:49,701 --> 00:24:53,981 ...and perhaps just a touch of sexual gratification? 370 00:24:54,022 --> 00:24:57,742 Whatever the explanation, this drawing shows a killer 371 00:24:57,782 --> 00:25:00,822 wearing an item of clothing stolen from a woman 372 00:25:00,862 --> 00:25:03,181 he has murdered in cold blood. 373 00:25:03,221 --> 00:25:06,102 The defendant has always maintained 374 00:25:06,141 --> 00:25:08,581 that this drawing bears no resemblance to himself 375 00:25:08,582 --> 00:25:11,062 as he was in the summer of 1989. 376 00:25:11,102 --> 00:25:14,141 But due to an extraordinary quirk of fate, 377 00:25:14,181 --> 00:25:16,781 one month before the Coastal Path murders, 378 00:25:16,782 --> 00:25:19,502 his likeness was captured on video 379 00:25:19,542 --> 00:25:23,318 during his appearance on a game show on national television. 380 00:25:24,181 --> 00:25:26,515 The resulting image speaks volumes. 381 00:25:34,862 --> 00:25:36,621 This is you. 382 00:25:36,661 --> 00:25:39,461 Now, he can see you. But you can't see him. 383 00:25:40,621 --> 00:25:42,981 And, er... be warned. 384 00:25:43,022 --> 00:25:45,700 His defence barrister will be rough with you. 385 00:25:45,701 --> 00:25:48,061 He'll try and paint you as the unreliable witness 386 00:25:48,062 --> 00:25:49,460 with an axe to grind. 387 00:25:49,461 --> 00:25:51,221 No worries, Steve. 388 00:25:51,262 --> 00:25:53,021 I've got my dragon scales for protection. 389 00:25:53,022 --> 00:25:55,822 Let's have the jury back in, please. 390 00:26:02,221 --> 00:26:04,821 Both the barristers will refer to you as Adrian. 391 00:26:04,822 --> 00:26:07,180 That's just so the jury doesn't get confused. 392 00:26:07,181 --> 00:26:08,421 No problem. 393 00:26:08,461 --> 00:26:11,741 Mr Evans, are you content to begin your cross-examination...? 394 00:26:11,742 --> 00:26:13,676 Why did you change your name? 395 00:26:15,901 --> 00:26:18,568 Cos he was the one that called me Adrian. 396 00:26:19,701 --> 00:26:22,235 It was more of a girl's name back then. 397 00:26:23,102 --> 00:26:26,701 You know that Johnny Cash song, A Boy Named Sue? 398 00:26:27,862 --> 00:26:29,542 He played it constantly. 399 00:26:31,102 --> 00:26:33,502 "Adrian, they're playing your song." 400 00:26:35,262 --> 00:26:36,622 He said he called me a girl's name 401 00:26:36,623 --> 00:26:39,523 for the same reason as the father in the song. 402 00:26:40,141 --> 00:26:41,661 To toughen me up... 403 00:26:42,461 --> 00:26:44,141 ...cos I'd have to fight. 404 00:26:45,062 --> 00:26:47,529 Maybe it's the one thing he got right. 405 00:26:48,862 --> 00:26:50,542 I'm a stubborn bastard. 406 00:26:52,141 --> 00:26:53,781 Isn't it true, Adrian, 407 00:26:53,782 --> 00:26:57,661 that when you were living at 28 Rose Meadow Lane 408 00:26:57,701 --> 00:27:00,380 you often used to wear your father's clothes? 409 00:27:00,381 --> 00:27:02,502 No, I never wore his clothes. 410 00:27:02,542 --> 00:27:04,661 What about gloves, Adrian? 411 00:27:04,701 --> 00:27:08,140 Isn't it true that you were the glove-wearer of the family? 412 00:27:08,141 --> 00:27:11,062 I used to wear gloves. But so did he. 413 00:27:11,102 --> 00:27:13,342 And who do you mean by "he"? 414 00:27:15,262 --> 00:27:17,542 John Cooper. 415 00:27:17,582 --> 00:27:19,542 Your father? 416 00:27:21,421 --> 00:27:23,621 Yes, sir. 417 00:27:23,661 --> 00:27:27,862 Isn't it true, Adrian, that from the age of 11 418 00:27:27,901 --> 00:27:31,581 you started to become disobedient both at home and at school? 419 00:27:31,582 --> 00:27:33,221 Yes, a bit, maybe. 420 00:27:33,262 --> 00:27:35,620 Your disobedience developed into theft, did it not, 421 00:27:35,621 --> 00:27:37,501 stealing money from your mother and father? 422 00:27:37,502 --> 00:27:38,542 No! 423 00:27:38,582 --> 00:27:40,900 I never stole any money from my parents. 424 00:27:40,901 --> 00:27:42,421 I'm not a thief. 425 00:27:44,221 --> 00:27:46,980 A few days after the murders of Mr and Mrs Dixon, 426 00:27:46,981 --> 00:27:50,461 a gold band was sold to a jewellers in Pembroke Dock, 427 00:27:50,502 --> 00:27:53,141 which the prosecution claim 428 00:27:53,181 --> 00:27:57,261 was the wedding ring the killer removed from Peter Dixon's corpse. 429 00:27:57,262 --> 00:28:00,501 The transaction was recorded by the jeweller on a receipt 430 00:28:00,502 --> 00:28:03,941 bearing the signature J Cooper. 431 00:28:03,981 --> 00:28:05,741 The court has heard that your father, 432 00:28:05,742 --> 00:28:08,542 John William Cooper, stated that the sig... 433 00:28:09,421 --> 00:28:11,555 ...jeweller's receipt was not... 434 00:28:11,981 --> 00:28:15,862 ...and that the usual form of his signature is JW Cooper. 435 00:28:15,901 --> 00:28:18,420 Isn't it true, Adrian, that when you lived at... 436 00:28:18,421 --> 00:28:21,140 28 Rose Meadow Lane, you were in 437 00:28:21,141 --> 00:28:23,861 the habit of forging the signatures of both your mother and father 438 00:28:23,862 --> 00:28:26,821 for the purpose of fraudulently cashing cheques in their names? 439 00:28:26,822 --> 00:28:28,061 No, that's totally untrue. 440 00:28:28,062 --> 00:28:29,980 You deny that you were an accomplished forger 441 00:28:29,981 --> 00:28:31,541 of both your mother... 442 00:28:31,542 --> 00:28:33,541 ...and father's signature? 443 00:28:33,542 --> 00:28:36,220 - I can't hear what you're saying. - Can't hear... 444 00:28:36,221 --> 00:28:38,342 ...or refuse to hear, Adrian? 445 00:28:38,381 --> 00:28:40,940 Sorry, Mr Evans, we're having a technical issue this end. 446 00:28:40,941 --> 00:28:44,013 Your voice keeps cutting out. One minute, please. 447 00:28:49,221 --> 00:28:51,821 Carry on, Mr Evans. It should be OK now. 448 00:28:53,421 --> 00:28:55,542 I put it to you, Adrian, 449 00:28:55,582 --> 00:28:58,940 that for reasons known only to yourself, you have long 450 00:28:58,941 --> 00:29:02,021 harboured a passionate vendetta against your father. 451 00:29:02,022 --> 00:29:03,980 That, because of this vendetta, 452 00:29:03,981 --> 00:29:06,021 in your dealings with the police in both 453 00:29:06,022 --> 00:29:08,460 the Huntsman and the Ottawa investigations, 454 00:29:08,461 --> 00:29:11,221 you have done everything in your power 455 00:29:11,262 --> 00:29:13,940 to assist them in their singled-minded persecution 456 00:29:13,941 --> 00:29:15,381 of your father. 457 00:29:15,421 --> 00:29:18,101 Indeed, that you see your appearance in court today as merely 458 00:29:18,102 --> 00:29:20,460 another opportunity to spread more lies. 459 00:29:20,461 --> 00:29:22,928 Do you really think I want to be here? 460 00:29:38,901 --> 00:29:41,168 Erin, Leanne, thank you for coming. 461 00:29:42,302 --> 00:29:45,461 These are our parents and Erin's husband. 462 00:29:46,582 --> 00:29:49,541 Er, we'll show you to the room you'll be giving your evidence from. 463 00:29:49,542 --> 00:29:53,742 We've decided to give our evidence in court. 464 00:29:54,701 --> 00:29:55,742 Oh? 465 00:29:57,062 --> 00:29:58,542 Karen died. 466 00:29:59,941 --> 00:30:01,221 What happened? 467 00:30:01,262 --> 00:30:02,862 Her health... 468 00:30:02,901 --> 00:30:05,901 finally gave out. 469 00:30:05,941 --> 00:30:08,381 - We're doing this for her. - Yeah. 470 00:30:08,421 --> 00:30:10,488 - And Stephen and David. - Yeah. 471 00:30:22,181 --> 00:30:23,741 Are you OK? 472 00:30:23,742 --> 00:30:25,221 Tissues and water. 473 00:30:44,542 --> 00:30:47,461 We often played in the woods... 474 00:30:47,502 --> 00:30:48,941 by our estate. 475 00:30:50,342 --> 00:30:52,461 There was a rope swing. 476 00:30:52,502 --> 00:30:54,769 So, we were mucking about on that. 477 00:30:57,661 --> 00:30:59,181 About... 478 00:30:59,221 --> 00:31:02,221 eight o'clock it got dark, so we headed home. 479 00:31:02,262 --> 00:31:05,206 We took the shortcut across the farmer's field. 480 00:31:06,181 --> 00:31:10,141 We were about halfway along when we heard a noise. 481 00:31:12,022 --> 00:31:14,141 We all turned round... 482 00:31:14,181 --> 00:31:18,149 and saw someone coming towards us, shining a torch in our eyes. 483 00:31:19,661 --> 00:31:23,461 I thought it was a boy we knew, so I shouted at him... 484 00:31:26,102 --> 00:31:29,622 ..."Shine the light in our eyes, why don't you, Martin?" 485 00:31:31,701 --> 00:31:34,822 But the person shouted back in a man's voice... 486 00:31:36,141 --> 00:31:38,502 ..."Do I look like Martin?" 487 00:31:40,862 --> 00:31:43,329 We all thought it was the farmer then. 488 00:31:44,181 --> 00:31:45,302 But, erm... 489 00:31:45,342 --> 00:31:51,661 as he came closer, we could see he had a mask on over his head with... 490 00:31:51,701 --> 00:31:54,502 holes for the mouth and eyes... 491 00:31:54,542 --> 00:31:58,102 and er, he had a shotgun pointing at us. 492 00:32:00,062 --> 00:32:05,822 Er, David started to apologise to the man for us being on his land. 493 00:32:05,862 --> 00:32:08,302 The man told him to shut up 494 00:32:08,342 --> 00:32:10,981 and er, he... 495 00:32:11,022 --> 00:32:13,556 hit him over the head with the shotgun. 496 00:32:14,582 --> 00:32:15,621 And, erm... 497 00:32:19,542 --> 00:32:21,742 ...David started crying then. 498 00:32:21,782 --> 00:32:26,342 And then he told us to walk down to the lower part of the field, 499 00:32:26,381 --> 00:32:28,901 which you can't see from the estate. 500 00:32:30,981 --> 00:32:32,022 He... 501 00:32:32,062 --> 00:32:34,181 made us say our names. 502 00:32:34,221 --> 00:32:36,221 His voice was angry. 503 00:32:36,262 --> 00:32:37,996 We were all really scared. 504 00:32:38,941 --> 00:32:41,949 And then he told us to lie down on the ground... 505 00:32:42,582 --> 00:32:44,916 ...and keep our faces in the grass. 506 00:32:45,981 --> 00:32:47,661 And then I felt him... 507 00:32:48,621 --> 00:32:51,381 pulling my hair at the back. 508 00:32:56,062 --> 00:32:57,742 He told me to stand up... 509 00:33:02,661 --> 00:33:04,341 ...and to go with him. 510 00:33:06,941 --> 00:33:09,821 Mrs Davies, the ordeal that you and your friends suffered 511 00:33:09,822 --> 00:33:13,141 on the evening of 6th March 1996 512 00:33:13,181 --> 00:33:14,941 happened 15 years ago. 513 00:33:14,981 --> 00:33:16,661 You were a girl of 16. 514 00:33:16,701 --> 00:33:17,862 Yeah. 515 00:33:17,901 --> 00:33:20,582 You were terrified. It was dark. 516 00:33:20,621 --> 00:33:21,660 Given all that, 517 00:33:21,661 --> 00:33:23,861 how reliable do you think your memory is 518 00:33:23,862 --> 00:33:25,929 of the events which took place? 519 00:33:26,981 --> 00:33:29,981 I remember every detail like it was yesterday. 520 00:33:32,542 --> 00:33:34,942 You don't forget something like that. 521 00:33:36,502 --> 00:33:37,742 You try to. 522 00:33:39,102 --> 00:33:40,862 But you can't. 523 00:33:40,901 --> 00:33:44,381 Did the man who attacked you ever remove his mask? 524 00:33:45,661 --> 00:33:46,661 No. 525 00:33:47,822 --> 00:33:49,621 So, to be clear... 526 00:33:50,701 --> 00:33:55,421 ...at no time did you, or any of your friends, see his face? 527 00:34:00,221 --> 00:34:01,542 No. 528 00:34:19,843 --> 00:34:22,323 This man in the photograph is the real John Cooper. 529 00:34:22,324 --> 00:34:25,972 A loving husband who was married to his wife for 42 years. 530 00:34:26,923 --> 00:34:29,684 We had a son who was the apple of our eye. 531 00:34:31,483 --> 00:34:34,747 An apple that went bad and broke his mother's heart. 532 00:34:35,443 --> 00:34:38,764 I believe that the heart attack that killed my wife 533 00:34:38,804 --> 00:34:40,937 was brought on because of the... 534 00:34:40,963 --> 00:34:44,804 the stress, the sadness and the shame 535 00:34:44,843 --> 00:34:49,003 because of all the time that I spent in prison as an innocent man. 536 00:34:49,644 --> 00:34:52,923 The police and Mr Elias tell you I'm a liar. 537 00:34:52,963 --> 00:34:56,604 That I'm lying when I say that most of my clothes, 538 00:34:56,644 --> 00:34:59,603 most significantly, my khaki bathers, were second-hand. 539 00:34:59,604 --> 00:35:00,804 Well... 540 00:35:00,843 --> 00:35:03,283 obviously, they don't know what it's like to be poor. 541 00:35:03,284 --> 00:35:06,123 This suit that I'm wearing today, it's second-hand. 542 00:35:06,124 --> 00:35:07,643 In my wardrobe at home, 543 00:35:07,644 --> 00:35:11,804 I've got an overcoat second-hand that I wore to my wife's funeral. 544 00:35:13,284 --> 00:35:16,723 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I spent ten years of my life 545 00:35:16,724 --> 00:35:19,042 in prison for crimes that I did not commit. 546 00:35:19,043 --> 00:35:21,284 Please... Please, do not allow 547 00:35:21,324 --> 00:35:25,644 the police to carry out another miscarriage of justice against me. 548 00:35:26,644 --> 00:35:28,563 I am not a murderer. 549 00:35:28,604 --> 00:35:30,724 I am not a rapist. 550 00:35:30,764 --> 00:35:33,684 I am an innocent man who's been wronged. 551 00:35:33,724 --> 00:35:35,084 Thank you. 552 00:35:37,244 --> 00:35:38,764 Mr Elias... 553 00:35:38,804 --> 00:35:40,362 it's a quarter to four. 554 00:35:40,363 --> 00:35:43,323 This would probably be a suitable time for me to rise. 555 00:35:43,324 --> 00:35:45,603 Are you content to begin your cross-examination 556 00:35:45,604 --> 00:35:47,123 of Mr Cooper tomorrow? 557 00:35:47,124 --> 00:35:48,562 If My Lord would permit, 558 00:35:48,563 --> 00:35:51,002 I would like to have a few minutes with Mr Cooper. 559 00:35:51,003 --> 00:35:54,164 - Very well, Mr Elias. - Thank you, My Lord. 560 00:35:54,204 --> 00:35:56,204 All right, Mr Cooper... 561 00:35:56,244 --> 00:35:58,562 I would like to ask you a few questions about 562 00:35:58,563 --> 00:36:00,362 the balaclava which was discovered 563 00:36:00,363 --> 00:36:02,962 under the hedgerow near the scene of the Sardis robbery. 564 00:36:02,963 --> 00:36:05,764 Ladies and gentlemen, you will remember 565 00:36:05,804 --> 00:36:10,644 that this is the balaclava which, in the course of the Huntsman trial, 566 00:36:10,684 --> 00:36:12,044 it was found that 567 00:36:12,084 --> 00:36:15,860 there were a number of the defendant's head hairs within it. 568 00:36:16,883 --> 00:36:21,244 Could you please give Mr Cooper exhibit MTJ/14, please? 569 00:36:23,443 --> 00:36:25,563 It's all right, Mr Cooper. 570 00:36:25,604 --> 00:36:27,522 The item has been cleared forensically. 571 00:36:27,523 --> 00:36:30,390 Touching it won't compromise you in any way. 572 00:36:35,284 --> 00:36:36,684 Mr Cooper... 573 00:36:36,724 --> 00:36:38,404 is that your balaclava? 574 00:36:39,684 --> 00:36:41,042 To the best of my knowledge. 575 00:36:41,043 --> 00:36:42,723 Yes or no, Mr Cooper? 576 00:36:43,644 --> 00:36:47,043 Yes. But I did not commit the Sardis robbery. 577 00:36:47,084 --> 00:36:49,283 Like I said, that was stolen off my boat 578 00:36:49,284 --> 00:36:51,042 long before it was found under the hedgerow. 579 00:36:51,043 --> 00:36:53,843 But you accept that the balaclava is yours? 580 00:36:55,324 --> 00:36:56,483 Yes. 581 00:36:56,523 --> 00:37:01,363 Mr Cooper, that isn't what you told the jury during the Huntsman trial 582 00:37:01,403 --> 00:37:02,923 in 1998, is it? 583 00:37:03,963 --> 00:37:05,684 I know. I made a mistake. 584 00:37:06,684 --> 00:37:11,164 During that trial, under oath, you denied that the balaclava was yours. 585 00:37:12,804 --> 00:37:15,443 So, my question to you, Mr Cooper, 586 00:37:15,483 --> 00:37:18,644 is were you lying to the jury then... 587 00:37:18,684 --> 00:37:22,012 - or are you lying to the jury now? - I'm not a liar. 588 00:37:22,324 --> 00:37:24,842 - I forgot. I made a mistake. - Let me rephrase the question. 589 00:37:24,843 --> 00:37:26,123 What was the truth? 590 00:37:26,124 --> 00:37:30,002 What you told the jury in 1998 or what you've told the jury today? 591 00:37:30,003 --> 00:37:32,363 No, I didn't deliberately... 592 00:37:32,403 --> 00:37:33,522 I misremembered. 593 00:37:33,523 --> 00:37:37,724 Misremembered in 1998 or misremembered today, Mr Cooper? 594 00:37:41,043 --> 00:37:42,804 Mr Cooper... 595 00:37:42,843 --> 00:37:44,402 the question is a simple one. 596 00:37:44,403 --> 00:37:45,604 Which was it? 597 00:37:45,644 --> 00:37:50,164 What you said to the court in 1998 or what you have told us today? 598 00:37:56,244 --> 00:37:57,443 Today. 599 00:37:57,483 --> 00:38:01,403 So, you admit that in 1998 you lied to that jury? 600 00:38:01,443 --> 00:38:03,710 - Yes, but... - Thank you, My Lord. 601 00:38:09,684 --> 00:38:10,764 So... 602 00:38:11,764 --> 00:38:13,444 ...members of the jury... 603 00:38:14,284 --> 00:38:18,188 ...it is now time for you to retire to consider your verdicts. 604 00:38:19,124 --> 00:38:22,483 Remember, at all times, you must keep in mind 605 00:38:22,523 --> 00:38:26,842 that it is for the Crown to prove the guilt of John William Cooper... 606 00:38:26,843 --> 00:38:30,523 ...not for the defence to prove his innocence. 607 00:38:30,563 --> 00:38:35,284 If the Crown have failed to do that, then you must find him... 608 00:38:35,324 --> 00:38:36,843 not guilty. 609 00:38:56,883 --> 00:38:58,403 - All right? - Yeah. 610 00:38:59,563 --> 00:39:00,883 What are those? 611 00:39:00,923 --> 00:39:03,123 That's my post-verdict statements for the press. 612 00:39:03,124 --> 00:39:04,923 Guilty. Not guilty. 613 00:39:05,963 --> 00:39:09,523 Well, you can get rid of that one. 614 00:39:09,563 --> 00:39:11,724 That's my letter of resignation. 615 00:39:11,764 --> 00:39:13,324 What? 616 00:39:13,363 --> 00:39:16,307 I'd have failed the victims and their families. 617 00:39:29,724 --> 00:39:31,244 Verdict. 618 00:39:31,284 --> 00:39:32,564 All rise! 619 00:39:36,443 --> 00:39:38,724 Whatever the judgment is... 620 00:39:38,764 --> 00:39:40,764 we receive it with dignity. 621 00:39:40,804 --> 00:39:45,644 Ella, Lynne, Glyn, Nigel, Rambo, it's been an honour 622 00:39:45,684 --> 00:39:47,403 and a privilege. 623 00:39:52,523 --> 00:39:54,724 - Cheers, boss. - Cheers, boss. 624 00:39:54,764 --> 00:39:57,231 Let's have the jury in, please. 625 00:40:17,244 --> 00:40:19,644 Will the foreman please stand? 626 00:40:21,523 --> 00:40:23,724 Will the defendant please stand? 627 00:40:26,403 --> 00:40:28,163 My Lord, the jury has been in retirement 628 00:40:28,164 --> 00:40:31,108 - for eight hours and ten minutes. - Thank you. 629 00:40:32,764 --> 00:40:36,724 Mr Foreman, please answer my next question yes or no. 630 00:40:36,764 --> 00:40:40,083 Have you reached a verdict on which you are all agreed? 631 00:40:40,084 --> 00:40:41,644 Yes. 632 00:40:41,684 --> 00:40:44,604 Is that in relation to all 11 counts? 633 00:40:44,644 --> 00:40:45,883 Yes. 634 00:40:46,923 --> 00:40:50,883 On count one of the indictment, the murder of Helen Thomas, 635 00:40:50,923 --> 00:40:54,244 do you find the defendant, John William Cooper, 636 00:40:54,284 --> 00:40:55,964 guilty or not guilty? 637 00:40:59,204 --> 00:41:01,604 - Guilty. - Guilty. 638 00:41:03,443 --> 00:41:05,804 On count two of the indictment, 639 00:41:05,843 --> 00:41:09,042 the murder of Richard Thomas, guilty or not guilty? 640 00:41:09,043 --> 00:41:11,204 - Guilty. - Guilty. 641 00:41:13,124 --> 00:41:15,483 On count three of the indictment, 642 00:41:15,523 --> 00:41:19,764 the murder of Gwenda Dixon, guilty or not guilty? 643 00:41:19,804 --> 00:41:21,684 Guilty. 644 00:41:21,724 --> 00:41:24,804 On count four of the indictment, 645 00:41:24,843 --> 00:41:27,851 the murder of Peter Dixon, guilty or not guilty? 646 00:41:28,644 --> 00:41:29,644 Guilty. 647 00:41:30,804 --> 00:41:33,604 On count five of the indictment, 648 00:41:33,644 --> 00:41:35,483 the rape of Erin Davies, 649 00:41:35,523 --> 00:41:36,963 nee James... 650 00:41:38,244 --> 00:41:39,924 ...guilty or not guilty? 651 00:41:42,963 --> 00:41:44,923 - Guilty. - Rubbish! 652 00:41:44,963 --> 00:41:46,923 That's rubbish! 653 00:41:46,963 --> 00:41:49,084 I'm not a child rapist! 654 00:41:49,124 --> 00:41:50,683 This is not justice! 655 00:41:50,684 --> 00:41:55,042 On count six of the indictment, the indecent assault of Leanne Dauncey, 656 00:41:55,043 --> 00:41:56,804 guilty or not guilty? 657 00:41:58,324 --> 00:42:00,164 - Guilty. - This is rubbish! 658 00:42:00,204 --> 00:42:02,002 You've not heard all the evidence! 659 00:42:02,003 --> 00:42:04,470 This is a fit-up! This is not justice! 660 00:42:04,483 --> 00:42:07,203 Mr Cooper, be quiet, or I will have you removed. 661 00:42:07,204 --> 00:42:09,204 We love you, John! 662 00:42:09,244 --> 00:42:13,443 On counts seven, eight, nine, ten and 11, 663 00:42:13,483 --> 00:42:17,923 the offences of attempted robbery, guilty or not guilty? 664 00:42:17,963 --> 00:42:19,284 Guilty. 665 00:42:21,483 --> 00:42:22,763 John William Cooper, 666 00:42:22,764 --> 00:42:26,123 the jury have found you guilty of all 11 counts on the indictment. 667 00:42:26,124 --> 00:42:27,562 Shut up, you stupid bastard! 668 00:42:27,563 --> 00:42:30,764 I hereby sentence you to life imprisonment. 669 00:42:30,804 --> 00:42:33,243 The crimes for which you have been convicted 670 00:42:33,244 --> 00:42:37,443 are of such evil wickedness, the mandatory sentence of life... 671 00:42:37,483 --> 00:42:40,804 - This is not justice! - ..will mean just that. 672 00:42:40,843 --> 00:42:43,843 - I'm an innocent man! - Take him down. 673 00:42:43,883 --> 00:42:45,804 This is not justice! 674 00:42:45,843 --> 00:42:47,402 This is persecution! 675 00:42:47,403 --> 00:42:51,843 Persecution of John Cooper, carried out by Steve Wilkins! 676 00:42:51,883 --> 00:42:55,362 A man is gonna spend time in prison for a crime he did not commit! 677 00:42:55,363 --> 00:42:57,896 I am not a rapist! I am not a murderer! 678 00:42:59,244 --> 00:43:01,363 This is a fit-up! 679 00:43:01,403 --> 00:43:04,070 I am not a murderer! 680 00:43:12,164 --> 00:43:15,203 Today's verdicts give the families of Richard and Helen Thomas, 681 00:43:15,204 --> 00:43:16,882 Peter and Gwenda Dixon, 682 00:43:16,883 --> 00:43:19,442 and the five victims of the Nolton Hill attack 683 00:43:19,443 --> 00:43:22,003 and their families justice. 684 00:43:22,043 --> 00:43:24,803 But there is no sentence the court could have imposed 685 00:43:24,804 --> 00:43:25,962 on John William Cooper 686 00:43:25,963 --> 00:43:28,907 that could ever compensate them for their loss. 687 00:43:29,403 --> 00:43:32,923 Today's verdicts are a warning to all individuals 688 00:43:32,963 --> 00:43:35,163 who would commit such terrible crimes. 689 00:43:35,164 --> 00:43:36,844 Whatever they touch... 690 00:43:37,963 --> 00:43:39,962 ...will bear witness against them. 691 00:43:39,963 --> 00:43:41,443 Evidence lasts. 692 00:43:41,483 --> 00:43:43,164 It does not forget. 693 00:43:43,204 --> 00:43:44,764 And it cannot lie. 694 00:43:47,324 --> 00:43:51,228 And it will always be found by those with the will to find it. 695 00:43:52,764 --> 00:43:54,483 Thank you. 696 00:43:58,443 --> 00:44:00,724 On behalf of Dyfed Powys Police, 697 00:44:00,764 --> 00:44:04,442 I would like to pay tribute to the officers of Operation Ottawa 698 00:44:04,443 --> 00:44:08,003 for their diligence and their professionalism. 699 00:44:10,164 --> 00:44:12,897 Are you ready for your exclusive, Mr Hill? 700 00:44:13,244 --> 00:44:14,563 Thanks, Steve. 701 00:44:16,204 --> 00:44:18,003 - Are we good? - Yeah. 702 00:44:21,204 --> 00:44:25,748 Detective Superintendent, can I get your reaction to today's sentencing? 703 00:44:29,363 --> 00:44:31,362 Yeah, really great. Really nice. 704 00:44:31,363 --> 00:44:33,323 - Yeah? - Brilliant. Yeah, it's amazing. 705 00:44:33,324 --> 00:44:35,004 - Great. - It's all here. 706 00:44:35,043 --> 00:44:36,203 - He loves it? - Yeah. 707 00:44:36,204 --> 00:44:38,363 - Awesome. - It's all yours. 708 00:44:38,403 --> 00:44:40,204 - Much appreciated. - Enjoy. 709 00:44:40,244 --> 00:44:42,244 I'll look after it, I promise. 710 00:44:42,724 --> 00:44:44,284 Thanks. 711 00:45:07,284 --> 00:45:08,684 Boss... 712 00:45:08,724 --> 00:45:10,524 Visitor for you downstairs. 713 00:45:17,363 --> 00:45:19,483 Hey, what's this? 714 00:45:19,523 --> 00:45:22,283 - I thought you were in school? - Yeah, I got the afternoon off. 715 00:45:22,284 --> 00:45:24,723 I thought I'd come and see where it all happened. 716 00:45:24,724 --> 00:45:27,324 Well, there's not much to see now. 717 00:45:29,563 --> 00:45:33,923 "There is no greater responsibility or duty placed on a human being 718 00:45:33,963 --> 00:45:36,763 "than to investigate the circumstances of the death 719 00:45:36,764 --> 00:45:38,444 "of another human being." 720 00:45:39,963 --> 00:45:41,963 Quite the job description, eh? 721 00:45:58,204 --> 00:46:00,604 I've decided sixth form's not for me. 722 00:46:01,644 --> 00:46:03,324 Are you OK with that? 723 00:46:04,523 --> 00:46:06,804 - Does your mother know? - Yeah. 724 00:46:08,003 --> 00:46:09,203 She blames you. 725 00:46:10,284 --> 00:46:11,804 Of course she does. 726 00:46:16,363 --> 00:46:18,696 I'm thinking of joining the police. 727 00:46:20,764 --> 00:46:22,124 Seriously? 728 00:46:23,244 --> 00:46:24,842 What about the football? 729 00:46:24,843 --> 00:46:26,563 Ah, come on, Dad. 730 00:46:26,604 --> 00:46:29,324 I'm good, but I'm not that good. 731 00:46:29,363 --> 00:46:32,243 What makes you think you'd be any better as a policeman? 732 00:46:32,244 --> 00:46:34,083 You made a success of it. How hard can it be? 733 00:46:34,084 --> 00:46:36,043 Watch it! 734 00:47:18,124 --> 00:47:20,084 I should've stayed. 735 00:47:23,604 --> 00:47:25,443 We should've talked. 736 00:47:29,923 --> 00:47:31,804 I'm sorry, Ma. 737 00:47:34,403 --> 00:47:38,164 ♪ Huna blentyn 738 00:47:38,204 --> 00:47:42,043 ♪ Ar fy mynwes 739 00:47:42,084 --> 00:47:46,084 ♪ Clyd a chynnes 740 00:47:46,124 --> 00:47:49,724 ♪ Ydyw hon 741 00:47:49,764 --> 00:47:53,923 ♪ Breichiau mam sy'n 742 00:47:53,963 --> 00:47:57,724 ♪ Dynn amdanat 743 00:47:57,764 --> 00:48:02,391 ♪ Cariad mam sy dan fy mron. ♪