1 00:00:06,214 --> 00:00:08,341 -["Turn Up the Heat" playing] -♪ Turn up the heat ♪ 2 00:00:08,425 --> 00:00:11,261 -♪ Turn up the heat ♪ -♪ Ooh-ooh! ♪ 3 00:00:11,344 --> 00:00:14,472 ♪ I get it glowing, whenever I'm going ♪ 4 00:00:14,556 --> 00:00:16,516 -♪ Turn up the heat ♪ -♪ Ooh-ooh! ♪ 5 00:00:16,599 --> 00:00:19,269 -♪ Turn up the heat ♪ -♪ Ooh-ooh! ♪ 6 00:00:21,062 --> 00:00:25,275 Welcome to the Love is Blind Season 5 Reunion. 7 00:00:27,986 --> 00:00:30,655 -I'm Vanessa Lachey. -And I'm Nick Lachey. 8 00:00:30,739 --> 00:00:32,615 Well, this season had more twists and turns 9 00:00:32,699 --> 00:00:34,451 than anyone could have ever predicted. 10 00:00:34,534 --> 00:00:36,953 Right? We have Uche and Lydia's past. 11 00:00:37,037 --> 00:00:41,458 Aaliyah leaving the experiment. Johnie and Chris ending up together. 12 00:00:41,541 --> 00:00:44,586 Yeah, we had JP talking his way into an engagement. 13 00:00:44,669 --> 00:00:47,297 -And then never speaking another word. -[laughs] 14 00:00:47,380 --> 00:00:51,134 [Nick] Stacy saying no to Izzy at the altar and then kissing him. 15 00:00:51,217 --> 00:00:55,847 Milton actually being able to understand Lydia's "yes, I do" at the altar. 16 00:00:55,930 --> 00:00:58,308 It was all an incredible part of a great season. 17 00:00:58,391 --> 00:01:00,894 And tonight, we will be catching up with all of our favorites 18 00:01:00,977 --> 00:01:02,645 from across the entire season. 19 00:01:02,729 --> 00:01:07,150 We can't wait to hear who dated who after filming ended. 20 00:01:07,233 --> 00:01:09,402 [Nick] Hold on a second. You guys were making out, 21 00:01:09,486 --> 00:01:11,613 and you were actually at the same bar at the same time? 22 00:01:13,073 --> 00:01:16,242 But first, we wanna say hello to the couples 23 00:01:16,326 --> 00:01:18,244 who made it all the way to the altar. 24 00:01:18,328 --> 00:01:20,288 Izzy, Stacy. 25 00:01:20,371 --> 00:01:21,998 Milton, Lydia. 26 00:01:22,082 --> 00:01:24,209 -Hi. Hi, guys. -[Vanessa] Hello. 27 00:01:24,292 --> 00:01:25,710 Feel it? Everybody feeling good? 28 00:01:25,794 --> 00:01:27,253 -We're relaxed? We're ready? -Yeah. 29 00:01:27,337 --> 00:01:29,255 -Relaxed, I'm not sure. Ready, yes. -[laughing] 30 00:01:29,339 --> 00:01:30,882 -[Izzy] I'm ready. I'm fine. -[laughing] 31 00:01:30,965 --> 00:01:33,760 You guys look fantastic. You look like you're very much still together, 32 00:01:33,843 --> 00:01:36,179 but just to confirm, you are still married, correct? 33 00:01:36,262 --> 00:01:38,515 -Yes, we are happily married. -[Nick] Okay. All right. 34 00:01:38,598 --> 00:01:40,475 -Good, good, good. -Love that for you guys. 35 00:01:40,558 --> 00:01:43,436 [Nick] Well, guys, we truly loved watching you fall in love. 36 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:44,813 How has married life been? 37 00:01:44,896 --> 00:01:49,150 I think in the past, before I met Lydia, before I was married, 38 00:01:49,734 --> 00:01:51,736 I would typically stay at work too late. 39 00:01:51,820 --> 00:01:55,782 Like, now 5:30 hits, I'm like, "Hey, I gotta get home to my wife." 40 00:01:55,865 --> 00:01:57,492 -[Stacy] Aww. -Love it. 41 00:01:57,575 --> 00:01:58,743 [Stacy] She loves that. 42 00:01:58,827 --> 00:02:00,036 It's just two years ago, 43 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,622 I could have never imagined feeling this way, 44 00:02:02,705 --> 00:02:05,083 being this way, and it's beautiful. 45 00:02:05,750 --> 00:02:07,836 You're setting the bar pretty high for the rest of us. 46 00:02:07,919 --> 00:02:08,920 That's sweet. 47 00:02:09,003 --> 00:02:12,006 -[Nick] That's really, really well said. -My dad's been helping me out a bit. 48 00:02:12,090 --> 00:02:13,925 [Nick] He's doing a good job. Well done. 49 00:02:14,008 --> 00:02:17,679 Well, speaking of that, has your family embraced the idea of you two together 50 00:02:17,846 --> 00:02:19,055 and as a married couple? 51 00:02:19,139 --> 00:02:20,473 [Milton] Lydia, you wanna answer? 52 00:02:20,557 --> 00:02:22,475 -[laughing] -Yes, of course. Um, I-- 53 00:02:22,559 --> 00:02:25,603 Since you're so close with my mom now. A little too close. 54 00:02:25,687 --> 00:02:27,438 -[Nick] Uh-oh. -I'm getting pushed out. 55 00:02:27,522 --> 00:02:29,357 It got to a point where, 56 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,528 I call Mom when I am like, "Your son is aggravating me." 57 00:02:33,611 --> 00:02:35,405 -[laughing] -"I need someone to vent." 58 00:02:35,488 --> 00:02:38,741 And she's like, "Let's go grab dinner, sweetie. Let's go grab dinner." 59 00:02:38,825 --> 00:02:41,161 His dad will be like, snitch on his mom and be like, 60 00:02:41,244 --> 00:02:42,745 "Oh, yeah, she was with Lydia." 61 00:02:42,829 --> 00:02:45,582 -Yeah, they've all turned against me. -He was like "What? What?" 62 00:02:45,665 --> 00:02:48,209 They're all Team Lydia now. I'm like, "I'm your son." 63 00:02:48,293 --> 00:02:49,669 [laughing] 64 00:02:49,752 --> 00:02:51,713 -[Nick] That's what you want. -No, it's amazing. 65 00:02:51,796 --> 00:02:54,632 It's the perfect thing. So you're cool with it, I'm assuming? 66 00:02:54,716 --> 00:02:57,677 Yes, yes, I love them dearly. Like, they are the best. 67 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,054 [Milton] Having Lydia as part of our family now 68 00:03:00,138 --> 00:03:01,806 has made my parents so, like… 69 00:03:01,890 --> 00:03:03,558 Me and my sisters joke around. 70 00:03:03,641 --> 00:03:07,353 -Lydia's made my parents so… so soft. -[laughing] 71 00:03:07,437 --> 00:03:09,731 So, so different from 72 00:03:10,315 --> 00:03:12,692 what we grew up with, where sometimes we're like, 73 00:03:12,775 --> 00:03:14,944 you know, my mom's like, "Hey, just wanted to call you." 74 00:03:15,028 --> 00:03:18,239 "I love you so much and, you know, so proud of you." You're like… 75 00:03:19,032 --> 00:03:22,702 "Mom, you're the one that pushes me to do harder, to do more." 76 00:03:22,785 --> 00:03:25,580 Their relationship has improved, like, a thousand percent. 77 00:03:25,663 --> 00:03:26,497 I love that. 78 00:03:26,581 --> 00:03:27,582 Can I say something? 79 00:03:27,665 --> 00:03:32,212 Your passion and your love of life is so contagious that it's hard to ignore. 80 00:03:32,295 --> 00:03:35,173 I can understand why you've endeared yourself so much to his family. 81 00:03:35,256 --> 00:03:37,050 -It's amazing. -Yes, yes. I love them dearly. 82 00:03:37,133 --> 00:03:38,760 Like, it's just amazing. 83 00:03:38,843 --> 00:03:40,178 But has your cleaning… 84 00:03:40,261 --> 00:03:42,096 -[sighs] -[laughing] 85 00:03:42,180 --> 00:03:43,932 [Vanessa] …passed over to Milton yet? 86 00:03:44,015 --> 00:03:47,769 -Milton, how are the household chores? -Whoa, man, it's hot in here. 87 00:03:47,852 --> 00:03:49,395 -[Lydia] Um… -[Nick laughs] 88 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:51,231 -Baby, come on. -You know. 89 00:03:51,314 --> 00:03:52,357 Come on. Come on. 90 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,943 -I do the dishes on occasion. -[laughing] 91 00:03:55,026 --> 00:03:58,196 -He has done the dishes three times. -What about the towels? 92 00:03:58,279 --> 00:04:00,240 -Oh, my God. -Three times. 93 00:04:00,323 --> 00:04:02,158 I do always put up my towel. 94 00:04:02,242 --> 00:04:04,661 -Okay, he has improved in that. -[all laughing] 95 00:04:04,744 --> 00:04:08,206 -A round of applause. He has. -Give it up for Milton. 96 00:04:08,289 --> 00:04:10,291 [Lydia] Towels up. He always put the towels. 97 00:04:10,375 --> 00:04:12,043 This is probably a tough question to answer, 98 00:04:12,126 --> 00:04:14,963 but what's the best thing about being married? 99 00:04:15,046 --> 00:04:17,715 -Oh. The cleaning. -[laughing] 100 00:04:17,799 --> 00:04:19,509 -[Lydia] Excuse me. -Wait a minute. 101 00:04:19,592 --> 00:04:21,177 It's his favorite. 102 00:04:21,261 --> 00:04:24,180 It was so funny, 'cause I kept saying, like, "I'm not gonna be…" 103 00:04:24,264 --> 00:04:26,641 "I'm not babying you. Like, I'm not gonna mother you." 104 00:04:26,724 --> 00:04:29,477 "Like, you need to pick up for yourself." And here I am. 105 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:34,691 Um, having someone who has your back regardless of… 106 00:04:34,774 --> 00:04:37,944 Oh, maybe you had a disagreement in the morning and something happened. 107 00:04:38,027 --> 00:04:40,280 And no. Like, no. 108 00:04:40,363 --> 00:04:43,992 My wife comes first and having that person that has your back 109 00:04:44,784 --> 00:04:48,371 unconditionally is amazing, and it's the best feeling ever. 110 00:04:48,454 --> 00:04:50,331 And I am so blessed. 111 00:04:50,915 --> 00:04:54,002 Well, I love that you're still in this wedding bliss, 112 00:04:54,085 --> 00:04:55,837 because I don't know if many people know. 113 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,923 -It's been a year and a half, almost. -Yes, that long. 114 00:04:59,007 --> 00:05:02,218 Everyone take a look back at the past year of Milton and Lydia. 115 00:05:04,929 --> 00:05:07,098 -[pop music playing] -Ah, wait! [chuckles] 116 00:05:07,181 --> 00:05:10,059 Milton brought me new flowers. 117 00:05:11,102 --> 00:05:12,145 Oh, my God. 118 00:05:12,228 --> 00:05:14,605 I'm just so happy. He is amazing. 119 00:05:14,689 --> 00:05:16,607 I'm so in love with him. 120 00:05:16,691 --> 00:05:17,859 We got this view. 121 00:05:17,942 --> 00:05:19,986 He surpasses my expectations, 122 00:05:20,069 --> 00:05:22,947 and I am just so in love. 123 00:05:23,031 --> 00:05:24,157 I love you more. 124 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,452 ♪ Happy birthday to you ♪ 125 00:05:27,535 --> 00:05:30,496 -Look how happy he is. -It's an Xbox S! 126 00:05:30,580 --> 00:05:32,582 [laughing on screen] 127 00:05:34,667 --> 00:05:37,295 [laughs] I'm still recording. 128 00:05:37,378 --> 00:05:38,629 Turn it off. 129 00:05:38,713 --> 00:05:41,299 Puerto Rico. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 130 00:05:41,382 --> 00:05:42,508 -Are you excited? -Yes. 131 00:05:42,592 --> 00:05:45,094 -[Lydia's mom] I'm so happy. -[Lydia] There she is. 132 00:05:47,555 --> 00:05:50,808 ♪ Happy wedding to you ♪ 133 00:05:50,892 --> 00:05:53,269 [laughing] 134 00:05:54,896 --> 00:05:57,273 [indistinct chattering] 135 00:05:57,357 --> 00:05:59,359 [laughing continues] 136 00:05:59,442 --> 00:06:03,946 -[pop music playing] -♪ Let's show, let's show the world ♪ 137 00:06:04,030 --> 00:06:06,407 -[cheering] -Look at those two. 138 00:06:06,491 --> 00:06:08,659 -Look at those two. -I love it. 139 00:06:08,743 --> 00:06:11,412 So you guys had another wedding celebration. 140 00:06:11,496 --> 00:06:14,457 -Yes, we did. In Puerto Rico. -In Puerto Rico. 141 00:06:14,540 --> 00:06:16,751 -We got you a little belated wedding gift. -Thank you! 142 00:06:16,834 --> 00:06:18,795 [Nick] We must have missed our invite in the mail. 143 00:06:18,878 --> 00:06:23,257 -[laughs] -[Lydia] Oh, my God, this is gorgeous! 144 00:06:23,341 --> 00:06:24,675 [Nick] Agate represents stability. 145 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:26,969 -Yes. -[Nick] And amethyst represents peace. 146 00:06:27,053 --> 00:06:30,056 Which we hope both of those things for you two going forward. 147 00:06:30,139 --> 00:06:32,558 -So a little something from us. -This is amazing. Amazing. 148 00:06:32,642 --> 00:06:34,227 -Thank you so much. -[Nick] Absolutely. 149 00:06:34,310 --> 00:06:36,938 Any plans for the immediate future you could share with us today? 150 00:06:37,021 --> 00:06:40,274 I am actually an amazing long-term planner. 151 00:06:40,358 --> 00:06:43,903 [Vanessa] Ooh! So what long-term plans do you have for you and Lydia? 152 00:06:43,986 --> 00:06:47,073 -You should look at our 401(k). -[all laughing] 153 00:06:47,156 --> 00:06:48,574 [Milton] Amazing. 154 00:06:48,658 --> 00:06:52,370 -Well, speaking of financial planning… -[all laughing] 155 00:06:52,453 --> 00:06:54,414 -[Lydia] Oh! -[all laughing] 156 00:06:54,497 --> 00:06:56,207 Izzy and Stacy over here. 157 00:06:56,290 --> 00:06:57,959 -[Izzy] Good to see y'all. -What's up, guys? 158 00:06:58,042 --> 00:06:59,585 -[Vanessa] Good to see you. -Many things. 159 00:06:59,669 --> 00:07:01,003 -[Vanessa] Many? -[Stacy] Mm-hmm. 160 00:07:01,087 --> 00:07:03,381 Well, there's really no doubt the two of you had chemistry, 161 00:07:03,464 --> 00:07:05,842 and I have to say, your wedding ceremony had a first 162 00:07:05,925 --> 00:07:08,928 that I don't think has ever happened at a wedding ever 163 00:07:09,011 --> 00:07:10,555 in the history of weddings. 164 00:07:10,638 --> 00:07:13,349 Izzy said yes. Stacy, you said no. 165 00:07:13,433 --> 00:07:14,976 But then you guys kissed. 166 00:07:16,102 --> 00:07:17,478 -Let's take a look back. -[laughing] 167 00:07:17,562 --> 00:07:19,147 [Nick] We have the tape, I think. 168 00:07:21,858 --> 00:07:24,944 Izzy, do you take Stacy as your wife? 169 00:07:25,528 --> 00:07:29,782 Do you promise to love her, comfort her, honor and keep her 170 00:07:30,783 --> 00:07:32,577 as long as you both will live? 171 00:07:34,454 --> 00:07:35,288 I do. 172 00:07:38,541 --> 00:07:39,584 [minister] And, Stacy. 173 00:07:41,210 --> 00:07:42,962 Do you take Izzy to be your husband? 174 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,008 I love you more than I can even explain. 175 00:07:47,091 --> 00:07:48,509 I wanna make you happy. 176 00:07:48,593 --> 00:07:51,220 I wanna give you that reassurance. 177 00:07:52,722 --> 00:07:55,975 And I do want you, and I wanna say yes, 178 00:07:56,058 --> 00:07:59,312 but I would be doing you and I a disservice right now 179 00:07:59,395 --> 00:08:03,399 to say that I do when I feel like there's a lot of things that we need. 180 00:08:04,692 --> 00:08:08,404 And more than anything, we need time. So for me today, I can't. 181 00:08:10,406 --> 00:08:12,825 [shudders] I hope you understand that. 182 00:08:13,493 --> 00:08:14,702 I understand. 183 00:08:16,245 --> 00:08:17,163 And I love you. 184 00:08:17,246 --> 00:08:20,041 [crowd applauding] 185 00:08:25,671 --> 00:08:28,883 -Oh, man. -I can feel it from you guys over here. 186 00:08:28,966 --> 00:08:32,595 -What are you feeling right now, Stacy? -Oh, God, a lot of emotions. 187 00:08:32,678 --> 00:08:36,933 I mean, it was heartbreaking and like… 188 00:08:42,939 --> 00:08:44,148 I love you, baby girl. 189 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:46,234 You all right? 190 00:08:48,110 --> 00:08:50,196 [voice breaks] I wanted to give him a yes. 191 00:08:52,990 --> 00:08:55,868 In my gut, I just-- I didn't feel like we were ready. 192 00:08:55,952 --> 00:08:58,746 So it's, like, when you care about someone like that, 193 00:08:58,829 --> 00:09:00,331 you don't wanna hurt them. 194 00:09:01,082 --> 00:09:04,460 You wanna make them happy, and I felt the way to make him happy was to say yes. 195 00:09:04,544 --> 00:09:07,630 And at the same time, like, how do I do what's right for me? 196 00:09:07,713 --> 00:09:10,424 And in that moment, it didn't feel like it was coinciding. 197 00:09:10,508 --> 00:09:14,387 Let me ask you, Izzy, 'cause finances are a big consideration 198 00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:16,931 when you're taking two lives and joining them together. 199 00:09:17,014 --> 00:09:20,184 And I think you mentioned you were waiting for the kind of a chance 200 00:09:20,268 --> 00:09:22,853 for you two to be alone together to talk about finances. 201 00:09:22,937 --> 00:09:26,232 And it seemed like you were almost waiting for a perfect moment to do it. 202 00:09:26,315 --> 00:09:28,526 But I'm just curious, why did you wait so long 203 00:09:28,609 --> 00:09:30,778 to confront that issue between you two? 204 00:09:30,861 --> 00:09:34,073 I mean, you had to have had some opportunity in the time you were together 205 00:09:34,156 --> 00:09:35,074 to broach that subject. 206 00:09:35,658 --> 00:09:39,203 I didn't think it was gonna be that huge 207 00:09:39,287 --> 00:09:41,622 because obviously, with people in the pods before, 208 00:09:41,706 --> 00:09:43,082 they knew that about me. 209 00:09:43,165 --> 00:09:44,959 Why didn't you tell me about that? 210 00:09:45,042 --> 00:09:47,253 Because we never had that conversation in the pods. 211 00:09:47,336 --> 00:09:50,590 Like, we talked finances in depth and anything like that and… 212 00:09:50,673 --> 00:09:54,302 We did talk about finances. I was like, "Is there anything I need to know?" 213 00:09:54,385 --> 00:09:57,096 "Do you have any debt?" You're like, "Nope, we're good." 214 00:09:57,179 --> 00:09:58,973 Like, no student loans. Nothing. 215 00:09:59,056 --> 00:10:03,060 Yeah, everything was paid off. I just had bad credit. Like, that was it. 216 00:10:03,144 --> 00:10:05,521 Like, I didn't owe any money anywhere or anything. 217 00:10:05,605 --> 00:10:07,898 Do you think there was a part of you, 218 00:10:08,691 --> 00:10:10,443 the pressure, that made you, 219 00:10:11,110 --> 00:10:13,404 I'm just guessing, like, embarrassed to say 220 00:10:13,487 --> 00:10:15,489 because you saw a life she was accustomed to? 221 00:10:15,573 --> 00:10:17,366 Yeah. No, absolutely. 222 00:10:17,450 --> 00:10:20,328 Um, I think anybody, you know, with 223 00:10:20,411 --> 00:10:23,205 a bad credit score is not something you would wanna admit, right? 224 00:10:23,289 --> 00:10:25,541 Just seeing from the background, 225 00:10:25,625 --> 00:10:27,668 you know, her and her family came from 226 00:10:27,752 --> 00:10:30,796 and how hard they worked and, like, now the lives they have. 227 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,840 I'm not used to that. 228 00:10:32,923 --> 00:10:35,384 I didn't come from that, and so, like, 229 00:10:35,468 --> 00:10:38,346 I'm working to get where I, you know, wanna be. 230 00:10:38,429 --> 00:10:42,558 Um, but, yeah. But I mean, it wasn't the whole thing, you know. 231 00:10:42,642 --> 00:10:45,853 I'm not gonna say, like, I kept it so long just because I was scared. 232 00:10:45,936 --> 00:10:48,522 I just also just felt like there wasn't the right time, 233 00:10:48,606 --> 00:10:50,566 but when is the right time, right? You know? 234 00:10:51,651 --> 00:10:55,196 Izzy, what happened after your wedding day? 235 00:10:55,279 --> 00:10:57,031 Did you guys date after that? 236 00:10:57,114 --> 00:10:58,282 [Stacy] Mnh-mnh. 237 00:10:58,366 --> 00:10:59,617 We, um… 238 00:11:01,702 --> 00:11:03,871 [laughs] I… 239 00:11:04,955 --> 00:11:08,459 We, um, so after that… [hesitates] 240 00:11:09,585 --> 00:11:10,586 -Do you want me to… -Yes. 241 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:12,963 Oh, I'll lead. Okay, I can tell you're like… 242 00:11:13,047 --> 00:11:15,591 [speaks gibberish] "So many things in my head." 243 00:11:15,675 --> 00:11:18,219 At first, we just agreed to take some time for ourselves. 244 00:11:18,302 --> 00:11:19,261 Like, let's not talk. 245 00:11:19,345 --> 00:11:23,099 Let's not see each other, just take time for yourself, whatever that entails, 246 00:11:23,182 --> 00:11:25,184 and we'll meet up at some point to chat. 247 00:11:25,267 --> 00:11:28,521 And we did. It was probably a week or two after that. 248 00:11:28,604 --> 00:11:31,357 It was a week. And it was a really hard week for me. 249 00:11:32,233 --> 00:11:35,820 Because when someone's my person and I'm going through such a hard time, 250 00:11:35,903 --> 00:11:38,781 I can understand that I needed those couple of days. 251 00:11:38,864 --> 00:11:41,450 But there's after, like, day three or four where it's like, 252 00:11:41,534 --> 00:11:44,203 "All right, I miss you. I need you. Like, where are you?" 253 00:11:44,286 --> 00:11:46,122 And I didn't know what was happening. 254 00:11:46,205 --> 00:11:48,374 I didn't know if you were still my fiancée. 255 00:11:48,457 --> 00:11:50,042 I didn't know if you were my girlfriend. 256 00:11:50,126 --> 00:11:51,961 I didn't even know where anything was going. 257 00:11:52,044 --> 00:11:54,964 So not knowing was really tough. 258 00:11:55,464 --> 00:11:58,342 We met on that Friday, and we went out on a date, 259 00:11:58,426 --> 00:12:00,636 and we talked at her place. 260 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,640 And something just in my gut just knew something was off. 261 00:12:04,724 --> 00:12:05,725 And I just asked, 262 00:12:05,808 --> 00:12:09,061 I was like, "Are you even feeling this?" 263 00:12:09,145 --> 00:12:13,399 And she just said, like, she didn't, and she couldn't right now. 264 00:12:13,482 --> 00:12:16,777 And I was just… I, in that moment, was shocked. 265 00:12:17,862 --> 00:12:20,656 Um, and I think why I was so hurt by everything-- 266 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:24,618 I mean, I was so mad at her after that, 267 00:12:25,411 --> 00:12:29,498 um, because I thought we were really gonna try, and… 268 00:12:30,458 --> 00:12:33,002 And yeah, and I was so upset, I just walked out. 269 00:12:33,085 --> 00:12:35,629 -And I didn't talk to you for a year. -Mm-hmm. 270 00:12:35,713 --> 00:12:38,215 -[Vanessa] For a year. -[Stacy] Like, it was too much. 271 00:12:38,299 --> 00:12:39,175 It was way too much. 272 00:12:39,258 --> 00:12:42,011 And it's like, the cameras are gone. Let's be real about this right now. 273 00:12:42,094 --> 00:12:43,929 Like, do we need to start over, 274 00:12:44,013 --> 00:12:47,099 and I feel like-- I felt like we needed to start over. 275 00:12:47,183 --> 00:12:49,059 And I feel like you were just like, 276 00:12:49,143 --> 00:12:53,481 "If we're starting over going backwards, I don't wanna do it" kind of a thing. 277 00:12:53,564 --> 00:12:57,026 So a year goes by, and then you guys reach out again. 278 00:12:57,109 --> 00:12:58,736 -No. -[laughs] 279 00:12:58,819 --> 00:13:00,571 -We ran into each other. -It gets good. 280 00:13:00,654 --> 00:13:03,824 -We ran into each other-- oh, God. -[Vanessa] Okay, we'll get to that. 281 00:13:03,908 --> 00:13:05,785 -[laughing] -[Vanessa] Don't. That's a juicy one. 282 00:13:05,868 --> 00:13:08,370 -[Nick laughs] -Um, so today. 283 00:13:08,996 --> 00:13:11,290 Right now, are you guys together? 284 00:13:11,373 --> 00:13:12,625 -[both] No. -[Vanessa] Okay. 285 00:13:12,708 --> 00:13:16,545 Izzy could have ended up engaged to Johnie, 286 00:13:17,254 --> 00:13:21,008 but the last time we saw her, she was actually dating Chris. 287 00:13:21,091 --> 00:13:23,636 So, I know we have a lot of questions for these two, 288 00:13:23,719 --> 00:13:26,388 so we're bringing out Johnie and Chris. 289 00:13:26,472 --> 00:13:28,682 [pop music playing] 290 00:13:30,434 --> 00:13:32,144 -Hi. -Hi. 291 00:13:32,228 --> 00:13:33,646 -[Vanessa] Welcome. -[Chris] Hello. 292 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:35,147 What's up, y'all? 293 00:13:35,231 --> 00:13:37,942 -[chattering] -You guys look very nice. 294 00:13:38,025 --> 00:13:39,235 [Milton] Welcome, guys. 295 00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:41,445 All right, well, guys, 296 00:13:41,529 --> 00:13:45,741 first things first, we need to establish are you two still together? 297 00:13:45,825 --> 00:13:48,828 -Uh… -[laughing] 298 00:13:48,911 --> 00:13:50,663 [Chris] With that reaction, obviously not. 299 00:13:50,746 --> 00:13:53,249 -[Nick] Okay. -Doesn't always end in a fairy tale, 300 00:13:53,332 --> 00:13:59,171 and it just didn't work out the way one would want. 301 00:13:59,255 --> 00:14:00,089 Johnny. 302 00:14:00,172 --> 00:14:03,676 What happened after the party in Houston? 303 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:06,637 That weekend was my birthday weekend, 304 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,642 um, and Chris had a wedding out of state, so he left the state. 305 00:14:11,725 --> 00:14:14,603 And I didn't see him, and then 306 00:14:15,396 --> 00:14:17,857 the next week I didn't see him, 307 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:19,400 and then… 308 00:14:22,111 --> 00:14:24,196 I found out the following weekend 309 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,824 that Chris was seeing someone else. 310 00:14:27,491 --> 00:14:28,367 Um… 311 00:14:30,286 --> 00:14:32,413 And yeah, I never saw him again. 312 00:14:32,496 --> 00:14:34,164 You're saying he started seeing someone else 313 00:14:34,248 --> 00:14:36,208 without breaking things off with you? 314 00:14:36,292 --> 00:14:37,543 Is that what you're saying? 315 00:14:38,210 --> 00:14:41,130 You're nodding, Chris. Do you agree that that's how it went down? 316 00:14:41,213 --> 00:14:44,758 That is how it went down, and I didn't 317 00:14:44,842 --> 00:14:48,387 handle the situation as someone would properly. 318 00:14:49,221 --> 00:14:52,808 But I did find someone who I now live with, and I love, 319 00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:55,019 and we're very happy together and… 320 00:14:56,896 --> 00:15:00,399 I'm sorry if that hurts to hear, but I-- you know. 321 00:15:01,233 --> 00:15:03,944 The whole experiment is to find yourself 322 00:15:04,028 --> 00:15:07,823 and then find someone who accepts you for who you are. 323 00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:10,618 And that's what I found and so, 324 00:15:11,410 --> 00:15:13,287 I wouldn't change that for anything. 325 00:15:14,330 --> 00:15:15,539 So in that process, 326 00:15:15,623 --> 00:15:19,209 did you feel at any point you should let Johnie know 327 00:15:19,293 --> 00:15:20,794 before she found out? 328 00:15:21,712 --> 00:15:24,757 I guess I'm trying to put the pieces together, 'cause that party in Houston, 329 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,592 you were all in for her. You had her back. 330 00:15:26,675 --> 00:15:29,762 And then to leave and then just find the person you're living with now, 331 00:15:29,845 --> 00:15:31,555 it's like, where was the… 332 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:33,682 Yeah, you were vigorously defending her at that party. 333 00:15:33,766 --> 00:15:36,644 -It was kind of admirable, you know? -[Chris] Yeah. Well… 334 00:15:37,645 --> 00:15:38,646 Thank you for that. 335 00:15:38,729 --> 00:15:41,398 I'm always gonna defend the people that I love, and… 336 00:15:42,608 --> 00:15:46,403 I loved you and, you know, 337 00:15:47,571 --> 00:15:49,114 that doesn't change 338 00:15:49,198 --> 00:15:51,492 who I love now and who I'm with now. But… 339 00:15:53,410 --> 00:15:56,664 We were trying to work things through, and it was a lot of stress for me. 340 00:15:56,747 --> 00:15:59,124 -And we went opposite ways. -[chuckles] 341 00:15:59,208 --> 00:16:01,502 Well, I think you went an opposite way, and then… 342 00:16:01,585 --> 00:16:04,171 -[laughing] -[Chris] Well, ultimately we, after I did. 343 00:16:04,254 --> 00:16:05,631 -Yeah. -[Chris] I guess. 344 00:16:05,714 --> 00:16:06,632 [laughing] 345 00:16:06,715 --> 00:16:09,009 [Vanessa] By the way, Chris, you were, like, the nicest man. 346 00:16:09,093 --> 00:16:10,928 I wanted to come through the screen and hug you, 347 00:16:11,011 --> 00:16:15,391 but I'm just wanting to understand after the party. 348 00:16:15,474 --> 00:16:17,935 Like Nick said, you were vigorously defending her. 349 00:16:18,018 --> 00:16:20,479 Everyone was rooting. Like, "Oh, my gosh, he's got her back." 350 00:16:20,562 --> 00:16:23,315 And you just said, "I will always defend those I love," 351 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:26,402 but if I may, would you cheat on those you love? 352 00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:28,946 Apparently yes. 353 00:16:29,029 --> 00:16:32,241 Um… it's terrible. 354 00:16:32,324 --> 00:16:33,575 I know I was wrong. 355 00:16:33,659 --> 00:16:37,913 I mean, I felt… guilty and heartbroken, 356 00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:40,874 and as many emotions as I could, 357 00:16:40,958 --> 00:16:43,502 'cause I did fall in love with you. 358 00:16:44,336 --> 00:16:45,671 And I still care for you. 359 00:16:46,380 --> 00:16:48,507 It's a terrible, terrible thing to do. 360 00:16:49,341 --> 00:16:53,721 And it's probably one of my biggest regrets 361 00:16:53,804 --> 00:16:56,640 is not being forthcoming with you. 362 00:16:57,683 --> 00:17:00,811 I've apologized before, and I continuously apologize. 363 00:17:00,894 --> 00:17:02,021 Yeah, he's apologized. 364 00:17:02,104 --> 00:17:04,398 Johnie, how did you find out that this was even happening? 365 00:17:04,481 --> 00:17:07,568 My friend saw him with the other girl. 366 00:17:07,651 --> 00:17:09,028 And told me. 367 00:17:09,611 --> 00:17:11,655 I think I blamed myself still a little. 368 00:17:15,826 --> 00:17:18,620 It was my fault. You don't need to… it's not you. 369 00:17:19,413 --> 00:17:21,832 She really, as she just said, like… 370 00:17:23,375 --> 00:17:24,251 [sniffles] 371 00:17:24,334 --> 00:17:26,295 [Chris] My biggest-- 372 00:17:26,378 --> 00:17:29,548 one of my biggest faults that I continuously try to work through 373 00:17:29,631 --> 00:17:32,968 is telling people news they don't wanna hear. 374 00:17:33,719 --> 00:17:36,055 -[Johnie sobs] -[Chris] And it sounds good. 375 00:17:36,138 --> 00:17:40,934 Like, I don't wanna say bad things to somebody, but it doesn't work. 376 00:17:41,018 --> 00:17:43,812 -It's not a good trait to have. -[Johnie] Yeah. 377 00:17:43,896 --> 00:17:47,066 And I continuously, to this day, try to work through that. 378 00:17:47,149 --> 00:17:48,358 Yeah. 379 00:17:48,442 --> 00:17:50,736 Yeah, I think he didn't wanna hurt me, so he thought he was… 380 00:17:52,529 --> 00:17:54,990 I don't know. Maybe gonna ease his way out. [laughs] 381 00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:58,202 There was no plan. It was just I love this girl. 382 00:17:58,285 --> 00:18:00,287 And, you know. 383 00:18:00,370 --> 00:18:01,622 Yeah. [sniffles] 384 00:18:01,705 --> 00:18:03,791 Why were you blaming yourself, Johnie? 385 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,587 Because I wish I had seen the process through. 386 00:18:08,670 --> 00:18:11,423 I didn't have to end things with Chris in the pods. 387 00:18:12,007 --> 00:18:13,634 I could have just 388 00:18:13,717 --> 00:18:18,555 finished the process and kept dating both men, but I do know 389 00:18:18,639 --> 00:18:22,768 I take accountability for not putting him first originally. 390 00:18:22,851 --> 00:18:27,147 Um, I do know he was really hurt by the whole experiment. 391 00:18:27,815 --> 00:18:32,152 And yeah, I think we both have found our people now and are happy. 392 00:18:32,236 --> 00:18:34,113 So you are now seeing someone, Johnie? 393 00:18:34,196 --> 00:18:37,366 Yeah. We've been dating for about a year now. 394 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,869 I didn't realize that there was so much tension 395 00:18:40,953 --> 00:18:42,955 in the pods between Stacy and Johnie 396 00:18:43,038 --> 00:18:44,957 until I saw your interactions at the party. 397 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,750 What happened between the two of you? 398 00:18:46,834 --> 00:18:48,460 What was that all about that night? 399 00:18:49,128 --> 00:18:51,505 I kept to myself during the experiment, 400 00:18:51,588 --> 00:18:54,258 and I felt like that was what was best for me, 401 00:18:54,341 --> 00:18:56,927 and I'm very close with most of the girls. 402 00:18:57,010 --> 00:18:59,555 So they were telling me what she was saying about me. 403 00:18:59,638 --> 00:19:01,431 And in my head, I didn't care. 404 00:19:01,515 --> 00:19:03,433 I'm like, "I'm never gonna see this girl again." 405 00:19:03,517 --> 00:19:06,228 "I don't care what she thinks about me. I don't need to address it." 406 00:19:06,311 --> 00:19:07,229 And unfortunately, 407 00:19:07,312 --> 00:19:10,399 we had to be in positions where we're all together again, 408 00:19:10,482 --> 00:19:15,112 and then it's just like the chiming in and the looks that… 409 00:19:16,113 --> 00:19:18,866 I'm a Coke bottle. You wanna shake it. Like, let's pop the top. 410 00:19:18,949 --> 00:19:22,536 Like, if you wanna go there, I feel like you brought that upon yourself 411 00:19:22,619 --> 00:19:26,331 by gossiping about me. 412 00:19:26,415 --> 00:19:28,584 [Vanessa] What did she gossip about? What was she saying? 413 00:19:28,667 --> 00:19:30,419 What did the girls say she was saying? 414 00:19:30,502 --> 00:19:34,339 If he chooses her, he's gonna have bigger problems than that, 415 00:19:34,965 --> 00:19:40,512 um, but I was a safe choice, which is very interesting. Um… 416 00:19:41,805 --> 00:19:46,018 That I couldn't make him happy and it didn't bother me. 417 00:19:46,101 --> 00:19:49,938 But I mean, the people that she thought were her friends were my friends 418 00:19:50,022 --> 00:19:53,275 and letting me know what's going on. So, my thing is, like, 419 00:19:53,358 --> 00:19:55,110 I have nothing to say to you 420 00:19:55,194 --> 00:19:57,571 unless you come at me, 421 00:19:57,654 --> 00:20:01,325 and I'm gonna let you know how I feel. And I did. And that's what it was. 422 00:20:01,408 --> 00:20:03,368 I don't think we're each other's cup of tea. 423 00:20:03,452 --> 00:20:04,870 And that's fine. 424 00:20:04,953 --> 00:20:07,581 We're stuck in an environment where we have to be around each other. 425 00:20:07,664 --> 00:20:12,544 So emotions are high, and that was what happened. 426 00:20:12,628 --> 00:20:14,880 Sorry, I just heard you guys chatting over there. 427 00:20:15,547 --> 00:20:17,674 Is there something you wanna share, Chris? 428 00:20:17,758 --> 00:20:18,759 No. 429 00:20:18,842 --> 00:20:20,886 -Just catching up. -[Vanessa] While Stacy was talking. 430 00:20:20,969 --> 00:20:23,138 -Just old friends. [laughs] -Catching up. [laughs] 431 00:20:23,222 --> 00:20:25,349 [Nick] And, Johnie, was that your recollection too? 432 00:20:25,432 --> 00:20:27,267 -Everything she's saying? -[Vanessa] I'm sorry. 433 00:20:27,351 --> 00:20:29,728 While she was talking to Johnie, 434 00:20:29,811 --> 00:20:32,522 they're having-- I'm just trying to understand this dynamic. 435 00:20:32,606 --> 00:20:35,275 [Johnie] Um, I mean, I don't-- 436 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,153 some of the things she said I agree with, I guess. 437 00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:41,907 Um, she wasn't forthcoming in the lounge area. 438 00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:44,243 And I was sharing a lot with her without knowing 439 00:20:44,326 --> 00:20:46,495 that her and Izzy had such a strong connection. 440 00:20:46,578 --> 00:20:50,457 -So I felt deceived in those moments. -Mm. That's not true. 441 00:20:50,540 --> 00:20:53,418 Um, I do think some of the comments I made 442 00:20:53,502 --> 00:20:56,380 were kind of petty once Izzy ended things with me. 443 00:20:56,463 --> 00:21:00,926 But my point was I didn't think they were compatible. 444 00:21:01,009 --> 00:21:05,389 Um, I could have said that definitely in a more calm and logical way. 445 00:21:05,973 --> 00:21:10,185 Um, that said, I don't think I was antagonizing anyone at the barbecue. 446 00:21:10,269 --> 00:21:11,728 I don't think I was coming for her. 447 00:21:11,812 --> 00:21:14,481 She kept asking me what was wrong with my face. 448 00:21:14,564 --> 00:21:17,109 You came and sat right next to me, and you're like, 449 00:21:17,192 --> 00:21:19,903 "They're telling lies," and I didn't open my mouth at all. 450 00:21:19,987 --> 00:21:22,614 You came straight up into our conversation, 451 00:21:22,698 --> 00:21:24,366 inserted yourself in the conversation, 452 00:21:24,449 --> 00:21:27,035 sat down, you're like, "Don't believe what they're saying." 453 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,205 When I hadn't said a single thing, and then you said, "You're deceitful." 454 00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:34,626 Why are you coming to talk to my boyfriend and tell him not… 455 00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:38,380 [Izzy] She wasn't talking to him. Me and Chris were having a conversation. 456 00:21:38,463 --> 00:21:41,925 And your dude asked me a question, which I didn't even answer. 457 00:21:42,009 --> 00:21:44,720 [Johnie] I was sitting outside, and Maris goes, 458 00:21:44,803 --> 00:21:46,888 "Look at your boyfriend right now," and I look inside 459 00:21:46,972 --> 00:21:49,224 and I see Izzy on one side and Stacy on the other. 460 00:21:49,308 --> 00:21:52,978 And I just had a disagreement with Izzy, and I'm like, "This doesn't look good." 461 00:21:53,061 --> 00:21:56,023 I'm gonna go be there for my man, and I don't think me walking up 462 00:21:56,106 --> 00:22:00,319 and trying to be there for the guy I'm dating has any issue. 463 00:22:00,402 --> 00:22:02,571 And y'all were saying things about me. 464 00:22:02,654 --> 00:22:05,574 [Izzy] Stacy wasn't saying anything about you to Chris. 465 00:22:05,657 --> 00:22:07,492 That was a conversation between Chris and I. 466 00:22:07,576 --> 00:22:10,412 -[Johnie] Until Stacy inserted herself. -Stacy was just standing there. 467 00:22:10,495 --> 00:22:13,457 I was going to sit by my fiancé 'cause I was trying to get away from you. 468 00:22:13,540 --> 00:22:15,792 Okay, we have different perspectives on the situation. 469 00:22:15,876 --> 00:22:17,711 I mean, you were physically outside where I was. 470 00:22:17,794 --> 00:22:20,547 I wanted to get out of that environment and be by my fiancé. 471 00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:23,550 He was with your boyfriend and talking to him. You came in… 472 00:22:23,633 --> 00:22:25,427 I came to be by my boyfriend. So what? 473 00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:28,263 [Stacy] That is what happened. We can go round and round. 474 00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:30,974 [Vanessa] We can go round and round, but what we do have is tape. 475 00:22:31,641 --> 00:22:33,226 So let's take a look at this clip. 476 00:22:35,937 --> 00:22:37,356 I hope you guys work out. 477 00:22:37,439 --> 00:22:42,069 Honestly, I'm calling her out on her shit because you remind me of me. 478 00:22:42,152 --> 00:22:43,487 We have good hearts. 479 00:22:43,570 --> 00:22:45,989 People could take advantage of us very easily. 480 00:22:46,073 --> 00:22:47,199 [Stacy] Like who? 481 00:22:47,282 --> 00:22:49,159 -Johnie. -[Stacy] Oh, God. 482 00:22:49,242 --> 00:22:50,077 No. [laughs] 483 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,746 That's why I called her out on her shit, because it's just like, 484 00:22:52,829 --> 00:22:55,874 you were a good friend to me. She's telling us all the same shit. 485 00:22:55,957 --> 00:22:57,125 I promise you, I never-- 486 00:22:57,209 --> 00:22:59,044 But to me, if I was trying to say like-- 487 00:22:59,127 --> 00:23:01,129 I'm sorry. I didn't know I was walking into this. 488 00:23:01,213 --> 00:23:03,840 -I thought I was getting out of the drama. -It's-- 489 00:23:03,924 --> 00:23:06,385 Stacy can give you the girls' perspective side. 490 00:23:06,468 --> 00:23:09,763 For me, like, if I was trying to get with you, I would go to Izzy. 491 00:23:09,846 --> 00:23:12,641 Is this good? 'Cause I just see, like, hands waving. 492 00:23:12,724 --> 00:23:15,143 We're just trying to understand-- you know what I'm saying? 493 00:23:15,227 --> 00:23:19,356 No, they're trying to convince you of a story that probably didn't happen. 494 00:23:19,439 --> 00:23:22,192 -I don't know why y'all are… -[Stacy] He asked. So ask him. 495 00:23:24,152 --> 00:23:26,530 We were there in the pods to know that you're full of shit. 496 00:23:26,613 --> 00:23:29,199 So it coincides with the real world that you're still full of shit. 497 00:23:29,282 --> 00:23:30,909 Y'all's stories are conflicting. 498 00:23:30,992 --> 00:23:33,745 Yeah, it's surprising to get a hold of your real personality. 499 00:23:33,829 --> 00:23:36,289 I have always been the same person. 500 00:23:36,373 --> 00:23:40,210 And I shed tears for you knowing that you were gonna get rejected. 501 00:23:40,794 --> 00:23:42,629 -Okay. -[Stacy] I had empathy for you. 502 00:23:42,712 --> 00:23:46,299 And that's why I'm so fired up is because you're a shit person. 503 00:23:46,383 --> 00:23:49,177 And I feel bad for shedding a damn tear for you. 504 00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:51,680 -[Johnie] That's not true. -One, she's not a shitty person. 505 00:23:51,763 --> 00:23:54,349 The proof's in the pudding. No one has ill intentions. 506 00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:56,017 It's just calling shit for shit. 507 00:23:56,101 --> 00:23:58,228 -We're just calling you out. -"I'm a straight shooter." 508 00:23:58,311 --> 00:23:59,312 "That's all I stand for." 509 00:23:59,396 --> 00:24:02,816 I got your back any time. This is not between us. We're good. 510 00:24:02,899 --> 00:24:06,111 -I'm looking out for you. You're amazing. -We're good. All four of us are not good. 511 00:24:06,194 --> 00:24:07,654 That sums it up. 512 00:24:07,737 --> 00:24:10,866 I wanna apologize to you, because my delivery was horrible. 513 00:24:10,949 --> 00:24:12,325 That is not me. 514 00:24:12,409 --> 00:24:15,454 That was way out of character. I was an asshole. 515 00:24:16,246 --> 00:24:20,500 And I apologize for that, but I do not apologize for saying the truth. 516 00:24:20,584 --> 00:24:23,837 My delivery just could've been a lot better, and I'm so sorry for that. 517 00:24:24,504 --> 00:24:27,716 Okay, um, I mean, I just… 518 00:24:29,050 --> 00:24:31,386 If that was your truth, that was fine. 519 00:24:32,387 --> 00:24:36,433 I will say Izzy has apologized in person. 520 00:24:36,516 --> 00:24:37,893 -Um, a year ago. -[Izzy] Yeah. 521 00:24:37,976 --> 00:24:43,732 He knew the way that he acted that night was not the best. 522 00:24:43,815 --> 00:24:48,028 Um, so I do commend you for apologizing. 523 00:24:48,111 --> 00:24:50,363 Um, other people have not apologized. 524 00:24:50,447 --> 00:24:54,284 [Nick] You mentioned the very strong attraction that you and Izzy had. 525 00:24:54,367 --> 00:24:57,454 And I think everyone kind of wants to know, did the two of you 526 00:24:58,330 --> 00:25:01,041 ever reconnect after all of this? 527 00:25:01,124 --> 00:25:04,169 Yeah, a week or less after me and Stacy didn't work out, 528 00:25:04,252 --> 00:25:06,379 we ended up being at the same bar. 529 00:25:06,963 --> 00:25:09,716 A bunch of the cast was out, and so I saw her, 530 00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:14,054 and we sat there and talked for, like, an hour and tried to see if we can… 531 00:25:14,638 --> 00:25:17,807 If there was anything there to kind of give it a shot, but I think, um, 532 00:25:18,391 --> 00:25:21,937 I obviously was just in no position to be dating, wasn't over Stacy, 533 00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:26,525 and it was too soon for her for how I had treated her then. 534 00:25:26,608 --> 00:25:30,028 And obviously, we saw we were just not each other's person. 535 00:25:30,654 --> 00:25:33,823 And we stayed friends after that. We were cordial. 536 00:25:33,907 --> 00:25:37,452 Yeah. So you said you guys tried to see if there was anything still left. 537 00:25:38,078 --> 00:25:40,622 -That was just we hung out at the bar. -[Izzy] Very short-lived. 538 00:25:40,705 --> 00:25:43,750 Like, we ran into each other at the bar. 539 00:25:43,833 --> 00:25:47,254 He came out to a bar, like, once. We tried to kind of hang out, 540 00:25:47,337 --> 00:25:49,798 and it was pretty clear, it was still the same pattern-- 541 00:25:49,881 --> 00:25:52,425 [Vanessa] I don't know if people nowadays say we tried to hang out. 542 00:25:52,509 --> 00:25:53,802 Did you guys kiss? 543 00:25:54,886 --> 00:25:57,180 -[chuckles, exhales] Yes, we did. -[Chris coughs] 544 00:25:57,264 --> 00:25:59,724 We did. That's all it was. We never hooked up or anything. 545 00:25:59,808 --> 00:26:01,393 -You did what? -We kissed. 546 00:26:01,977 --> 00:26:03,603 -But we never hooked up. -[Vanessa] Wait. 547 00:26:03,687 --> 00:26:05,438 What is hooking up these days? Like, full sex? 548 00:26:05,522 --> 00:26:07,983 Like, let's fucking go. [laughs] 549 00:26:08,066 --> 00:26:10,193 [Johnie] Oh, my God. What is that? 550 00:26:10,277 --> 00:26:12,821 No, we never-- we never had any sexual relations. 551 00:26:12,904 --> 00:26:15,824 -[Nick] So you guys made out then? -I never had sexual relations. 552 00:26:15,907 --> 00:26:19,828 -[Izzy] It was at the bar. -At the bar. That was a cast get-together. 553 00:26:19,911 --> 00:26:22,664 It was just, like, after a while, like, we all kind of hung out. 554 00:26:22,747 --> 00:26:24,165 If they were out, I would be like, 555 00:26:24,249 --> 00:26:26,876 "Dude, I'll go swing by, say hi to the guys and the girls." 556 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,545 [Vanessa] What guys and girls were there? 557 00:26:28,628 --> 00:26:31,089 Y'all two were there. Yeah, Lydia and Milton were there. 558 00:26:31,172 --> 00:26:33,508 [Vanessa] Was Chris there? 'Cause he's smirking over here. 559 00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:35,927 Yeah, he came up-- never mind. [laughing] 560 00:26:36,011 --> 00:26:37,470 -I, uh-- -[Nick] You were there? 561 00:26:37,554 --> 00:26:39,514 Hold on a second. You guys were making out, 562 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:41,766 and you were actually at the same bar at the same time? 563 00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:42,892 Yeah, with her girlfriends. 564 00:26:42,976 --> 00:26:45,437 -Yeah, I was there with-- -You guys. I'm so sorry. 565 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,105 [laughing] 566 00:26:47,188 --> 00:26:49,774 I genuinely feel like I'm prodding like a nosy friend, but I hate-- 567 00:26:49,858 --> 00:26:51,318 Getting blown out of proportion. 568 00:26:51,401 --> 00:26:55,280 After that time, like, Chris had already-- they were already done. 569 00:26:55,363 --> 00:26:58,074 Um, obviously, her and I weren't. 570 00:26:58,158 --> 00:27:01,077 So that was already, like, done. This was after her and Chris already… 571 00:27:01,161 --> 00:27:04,706 So you weren't making out at the bar. You guys left. Or were you at the bar? 572 00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:08,001 -I-- uh. -[laughing] 573 00:27:08,084 --> 00:27:10,795 We made out in his Jeep. We never hooked up. 574 00:27:10,879 --> 00:27:12,589 -Yeah. -[Johnie] That's the end of it. 575 00:27:12,672 --> 00:27:14,758 -Hooking up nowadays means sex. -[laughs] 576 00:27:14,841 --> 00:27:17,969 Stacy, did you know about any of this happening? You did. Okay. 577 00:27:18,053 --> 00:27:19,054 How did you find out? 578 00:27:19,137 --> 00:27:21,973 -Houston. It's not that big. -Um-- no. 579 00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:25,060 Houston's, like, a huge city, but somehow, it seems very, very small right now. 580 00:27:25,143 --> 00:27:26,353 [Lydia] I disagree. 581 00:27:26,436 --> 00:27:28,355 -How'd you find out? -[Stacy] I have good friends. 582 00:27:28,438 --> 00:27:31,524 That tell me things. And at that point, he's single. 583 00:27:31,608 --> 00:27:33,318 He can do whatever he wants to do. 584 00:27:33,401 --> 00:27:37,572 I was surprised because of what he had told me about her, 585 00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:40,950 and it didn't seem like you spoke fairly highly of her. 586 00:27:41,701 --> 00:27:45,789 So that's on you, and I think a reflection of you. 587 00:27:45,872 --> 00:27:47,999 It's like, do whatever you need to do, 588 00:27:48,083 --> 00:27:51,544 but it was shocking. I wasn't shocked that he was making out with anybody. 589 00:27:51,628 --> 00:27:56,549 Actually, I mean, I heard about stuff before that with other people, so… 590 00:27:56,633 --> 00:27:59,260 -Before that, but after your breakup? -[Stacy] Mm-hmm. 591 00:27:59,344 --> 00:28:00,178 Yeah. 592 00:28:00,261 --> 00:28:03,640 -Izzy, I'm curious, not to call you out. -Call me out. Let's go. I'm here for it. 593 00:28:03,723 --> 00:28:06,976 At the party, you defended your actions that night 594 00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:11,022 by calling Chris a great friend. And you had his back and all this stuff, 595 00:28:11,106 --> 00:28:13,650 and then seems like very shortly thereafter, 596 00:28:13,733 --> 00:28:16,695 you're making out with his very recent ex-girlfriend. 597 00:28:16,778 --> 00:28:21,032 So I'm curious how you defend that, reconcile that, explain that. 598 00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:24,619 [Izzy] I mean, Chris and Johnie's business was Chris and Johnie's. 599 00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:26,788 I don't know if you were upset with me for that. 600 00:28:26,871 --> 00:28:28,415 -No. -[Izzy] I didn't think you were. 601 00:28:28,498 --> 00:28:29,874 But if I did, I'm sorry. 602 00:28:29,958 --> 00:28:32,168 I mean, it is painful seeing that, 603 00:28:32,252 --> 00:28:36,297 but like I said before, the emotions are so high, 604 00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:38,133 and you're falling for these people. 605 00:28:38,216 --> 00:28:39,384 [Lydia exhales] 606 00:28:39,467 --> 00:28:41,720 And it's like you go back to real life, 607 00:28:41,803 --> 00:28:43,805 and everyone's like, "Oh, good to see you." 608 00:28:43,888 --> 00:28:47,016 It's been a week and a half, and you feel like you've just lived 609 00:28:47,726 --> 00:28:49,853 three lifetimes like, but 610 00:28:50,603 --> 00:28:54,899 it's their life, and they had a connection from what I saw. 611 00:28:54,983 --> 00:28:57,152 They had a real connection and so why not… 612 00:28:58,027 --> 00:29:01,239 If we're not together and they're not together, then why not? 613 00:29:01,322 --> 00:29:02,157 [Vanessa] Yeah. 614 00:29:02,782 --> 00:29:05,577 So, Izzy, you told us that after the wedding, 615 00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:07,203 you guys, you know, took a week, 616 00:29:07,287 --> 00:29:09,748 got back together and then you walked away. 617 00:29:09,831 --> 00:29:11,833 -And you didn't talk for a year. -[Stacy] Mm-hmm. 618 00:29:11,916 --> 00:29:14,919 After that year, how did you guys reconnect? 619 00:29:15,712 --> 00:29:19,048 [chuckles] So Houston bars, gotta love 'em for hooking up. 620 00:29:19,132 --> 00:29:21,134 -[laughing] -I gotta visit these Houston bars, man. 621 00:29:21,217 --> 00:29:24,345 -Uh, maybe you don't. -Well, maybe it's not a good idea. 622 00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:25,597 All right. [laughs] 623 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,308 So it's crazy, I think it was like, what, Mother's Day weekend. 624 00:29:28,391 --> 00:29:29,601 Your mom was in town. 625 00:29:29,684 --> 00:29:31,895 -My sister just graduated. -Oh, yeah, that's right. 626 00:29:31,978 --> 00:29:34,230 Grad school. Of course they're like, "Let's go to a bar." 627 00:29:34,314 --> 00:29:35,857 Which I don't usually do. 628 00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:37,692 We hang out on opposite sides of town. 629 00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:42,906 Yeah, so we walk in, and my family loves him, and he loves my family. 630 00:29:42,989 --> 00:29:46,284 So I'm just standing there, and I see my mom, like, throw her hands up. 631 00:29:46,367 --> 00:29:47,577 She's like, "Izzy!" 632 00:29:47,660 --> 00:29:50,705 -We haven't spoken. I'm like, "Oh, no." -[chuckles] 633 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:53,374 -[Izzy laughs] That was crazy. -Like, scared. Like, what is this? 634 00:29:53,458 --> 00:29:56,211 So then my sister goes over, and then he came straight up to me 635 00:29:56,294 --> 00:29:58,379 and gave me the biggest hug, which was a huge relief, 636 00:29:58,463 --> 00:30:01,382 just because when you go through something like this together, 637 00:30:01,466 --> 00:30:05,303 you do have a bond, and when that's gone, you feel very alone. 638 00:30:05,386 --> 00:30:07,972 There's a lot of things come up that you think about that person, 639 00:30:08,056 --> 00:30:10,517 and you wanna talk to him about it, and you can't. 640 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,520 So that night we kind of, like, cleared everything up. 641 00:30:13,603 --> 00:30:17,357 We had enough time to really process, like, how we felt about things, 642 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,775 how things went. 643 00:30:18,858 --> 00:30:22,570 And I think we both just felt like we want the best for each other, 644 00:30:22,654 --> 00:30:25,865 and that was, like, palpable that we just felt this like… 645 00:30:26,616 --> 00:30:29,744 -There's no hate. There's only love and… -[Izzy] Mm-hmm. Yeah. 646 00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:32,080 -We needed that. Like, after a year. -Yeah. 647 00:30:33,122 --> 00:30:37,460 And I would say it was on me more so. I was just honestly still just so hurt. 648 00:30:37,961 --> 00:30:42,257 Um, my dad had ended up passing away probably about a month after the wedding, 649 00:30:42,340 --> 00:30:45,176 and she texted me. Um… 650 00:30:45,927 --> 00:30:48,179 -[Vanessa] I'm sorry to hear that. -That's okay. 651 00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:50,557 But, like, I just didn't respond. 652 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,685 I don't know what to say. I still was so upset at her. 653 00:30:53,768 --> 00:30:55,854 I'm just, like, I'm not gonna say anything. 654 00:30:55,937 --> 00:30:59,524 And it was the best feeling to see her again. 655 00:30:59,607 --> 00:31:02,068 Uh, obviously I got over it and… 656 00:31:02,610 --> 00:31:06,698 [clicks tongue] Um, yeah, we just, like, hung out a couple times, 657 00:31:06,781 --> 00:31:09,450 and we just answered all the questions we had. 658 00:31:09,534 --> 00:31:13,872 Yeah, and I think that's why now we have such a great friendship. 659 00:31:13,955 --> 00:31:15,123 Like, I asked her for advice. 660 00:31:15,206 --> 00:31:19,794 Uh, she's seen, you know, girls that I've, like, tried dating and stuff like that, 661 00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:22,672 which we have a story for y'all on that one. It's really good. 662 00:31:22,755 --> 00:31:24,340 -Do tell. -Yeah, please. 663 00:31:24,424 --> 00:31:26,509 -Should I tell it? I'll tell it. -[groans] 664 00:31:26,593 --> 00:31:29,512 -[laughing] -Izzy, I feel like you're the storyteller. 665 00:31:29,596 --> 00:31:31,848 -[Vanessa] You wanna tell the story. -He really does. 666 00:31:31,931 --> 00:31:33,850 [Izzy] So I'm out, right, with, um… 667 00:31:33,933 --> 00:31:37,520 I'm kind of, like, seeing this girl. Just a cooking class. 668 00:31:37,604 --> 00:31:38,688 What is it, a store? 669 00:31:38,771 --> 00:31:41,941 It's like a store, and they had, like, a little cooking room in the back. 670 00:31:42,025 --> 00:31:45,653 I walk in. I'm with the girl, and I just hear Stacy's laugh. 671 00:31:45,737 --> 00:31:48,323 Like, I can hear her laugh from a mile away, and I know it's her. 672 00:31:48,406 --> 00:31:50,992 So I hear her. I walk in. I hear her laugh. I was like, "No way." 673 00:31:51,075 --> 00:31:52,452 -[all laughing] -[Izzy] No way. 674 00:31:52,535 --> 00:31:53,578 [Stacy] Oh, no. 675 00:31:53,661 --> 00:31:55,496 So I go in and turn around the corner. 676 00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:57,665 -And it's her with her date. -[laughing] 677 00:31:57,749 --> 00:32:00,543 And I'm like, "Holy shit." So I have to tell my date. 678 00:32:00,627 --> 00:32:02,587 Like, "Hey, my ex is here." 679 00:32:02,670 --> 00:32:04,088 -My ex-fiancée. -Ex-fiancée. 680 00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:06,716 I didn't say that. I didn't say that, but it was the same thing. 681 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,260 Like, you hear his voice from the pods… 682 00:32:09,344 --> 00:32:11,554 -Again, Houston is not that big. -[Stacy] Yeah. 683 00:32:11,638 --> 00:32:13,806 -[Nick] Who knew Houston was so small? -[Stacy] Small. 684 00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:17,185 So then we're stuck in a two-hour cooking class together, 685 00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:19,479 and they have us in a foursome. 686 00:32:19,562 --> 00:32:20,772 -When we walk in-- -You four? 687 00:32:20,855 --> 00:32:22,815 Walk in, go find your name tags. 688 00:32:22,899 --> 00:32:24,651 -We're cooking paella together. -At the table. 689 00:32:24,734 --> 00:32:27,820 [Stacy] There was not enough wine in the world. 690 00:32:27,904 --> 00:32:29,739 -They put the four of you together? -[Stacy] No. 691 00:32:29,822 --> 00:32:31,574 -No. -Because it's all random. 692 00:32:31,658 --> 00:32:34,452 Then the chef was like, "Do you all want a group photo?" I'm like, "No." 693 00:32:34,535 --> 00:32:36,371 Did your date know who Izzy was? 694 00:32:36,454 --> 00:32:39,415 I told him real quick before going in, 'cause it was his birthday. 695 00:32:39,499 --> 00:32:42,585 I, like, surprised him with a cooking class that he always wanted to take. 696 00:32:42,669 --> 00:32:44,796 I'm like, "Real quick. My ex is here." 697 00:32:44,879 --> 00:32:47,632 "If you're uncomfortable, I have no problem leaving right now." 698 00:32:47,715 --> 00:32:49,467 He's like, "If you're cool, I'm cool." 699 00:32:49,550 --> 00:32:52,178 [Vanessa] So is this a guy you're serious about or a one-off date? 700 00:32:52,261 --> 00:32:56,349 I mean, it's a birthday cooking class. That sounds a little serious. 701 00:32:56,432 --> 00:32:58,518 -No comment. -[laughs] Attagirl. 702 00:32:58,601 --> 00:33:00,061 [Nick] I think that's our answer. 703 00:33:00,144 --> 00:33:02,480 No comment. No comment. No. 704 00:33:02,563 --> 00:33:06,651 Um, it was an experience that I'll never forget. [laughs] 705 00:33:06,734 --> 00:33:11,739 Okay. So, you guys met up a year later. You see this girl. 706 00:33:11,823 --> 00:33:14,367 She's glowing. You both said it felt like home. 707 00:33:14,993 --> 00:33:16,953 [Nick] A warm blanket, I think you said. 708 00:33:17,036 --> 00:33:19,288 [Vanessa] Did that warm blanket include some tongue? 709 00:33:19,372 --> 00:33:22,417 [laughing] 710 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,544 [exhales] Yes, we did share a kiss. 711 00:33:24,627 --> 00:33:29,090 Um, but we-- we both knew, 712 00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:32,927 um, it was just best to not, I don't know, hurt each other again. 713 00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:35,388 -Or confuse each other again. -Yeah. 714 00:33:35,471 --> 00:33:37,724 And I think we appreciated more just having each other 715 00:33:37,807 --> 00:33:42,020 back in each other's lives and our friendship. We're bros, right? 716 00:33:42,103 --> 00:33:43,021 "We're bros"? 717 00:33:43,104 --> 00:33:45,023 Totally. Totally bros. 718 00:33:45,106 --> 00:33:47,900 -It's my girl. I care about her. -[laughs] I give him dating advice. 719 00:33:47,984 --> 00:33:50,278 Nothing's changed other than, like, you know, we're… 720 00:33:50,361 --> 00:33:53,156 We've obviously moved on, but I adore her. 721 00:33:53,239 --> 00:33:55,742 I always will. There's always that special spot. 722 00:33:55,825 --> 00:33:57,452 -So… -[Nick] So, Izzy, are you-- 723 00:33:57,535 --> 00:33:59,537 We've established that Stacy's dating someone. 724 00:33:59,620 --> 00:34:01,706 -His name is "no comment." -No comment. 725 00:34:01,789 --> 00:34:05,334 There's a "no comment," but I'll deduct my own reasoning there. 726 00:34:05,418 --> 00:34:06,794 Are you dating anybody? 727 00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:09,589 What's the status of your lost and found basket? Is it full? 728 00:34:09,672 --> 00:34:12,258 -[laughs] -The girl from the cooking class. 729 00:34:12,341 --> 00:34:13,676 I've been seeing her. 730 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,096 Um, we're not official yet, but it's getting to that point. 731 00:34:17,180 --> 00:34:18,431 She's an amazing girl. 732 00:34:18,514 --> 00:34:20,725 She's actually meeting me here after the reunion. 733 00:34:20,808 --> 00:34:24,479 So I'll be taking a vacation with her and, you know, getting out of Houston 734 00:34:24,562 --> 00:34:25,938 and just exploring that more. 735 00:34:26,022 --> 00:34:28,357 So yeah, working on it, but it's going well. 736 00:34:28,941 --> 00:34:30,693 [Vanessa] Okay, a lot is happening. 737 00:34:30,777 --> 00:34:33,404 Heads are spinning. I don't think we're gonna stop any time soon. 738 00:34:33,488 --> 00:34:37,492 We're gonna keep it going. So we are going to bring out another guest. 739 00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:41,037 -Lydia, you had a best friend in the pods. -Yes. 740 00:34:41,746 --> 00:34:44,999 Aaliyah. So everyone please, let's welcome her now. 741 00:34:46,542 --> 00:34:48,878 -If she doesn't show up again… -[laughing] 742 00:34:49,796 --> 00:34:51,589 -[Izzy] Hello. -[Aaliyah] Hello, everybody. 743 00:34:51,672 --> 00:34:53,049 -Hello. -Hi. 744 00:34:53,132 --> 00:34:54,801 -[Nick] You look nice. -[Aaliyah] Thank you. 745 00:34:54,884 --> 00:34:56,427 -So do you all. -[Nick] Thank you. 746 00:34:56,511 --> 00:34:58,054 -[Vanessa] You look gorgeous. -Thank you. 747 00:34:58,137 --> 00:35:03,309 Let us take a look back at the friendship that you, Aaliyah, had with Lydia. 748 00:35:06,020 --> 00:35:09,148 I love you. I'm sorry that you feel this way. 749 00:35:09,232 --> 00:35:11,400 -[Lydia] I love you too. -[Aaliyah] I'm sorry. 750 00:35:11,484 --> 00:35:13,569 I know this is really tough. 751 00:35:13,653 --> 00:35:15,613 -Who was it? -[Lydia] Izzy. Izzy. 752 00:35:15,696 --> 00:35:16,656 [Aaliyah] I'm sorry. 753 00:35:16,739 --> 00:35:22,161 You are deserving of somebody who is totally sure of what they want 754 00:35:22,245 --> 00:35:23,538 and what they have. 755 00:35:23,621 --> 00:35:27,166 If he's not seeing that, he's not for you. 756 00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:29,043 -[sobbing] -[Lydia] No, no, no. Tranquilo. 757 00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:31,587 Shh. Who was it? 758 00:35:31,671 --> 00:35:32,964 [Aaliyah] Uche. 759 00:35:33,047 --> 00:35:35,341 He thinks that I'm gonna cheat on him. 760 00:35:35,424 --> 00:35:36,884 -[Lydia] Why? -I've cheated before. 761 00:35:36,968 --> 00:35:39,011 Is this the guy that you really wanna marry? 762 00:35:39,095 --> 00:35:41,639 A guy who's gonna judge you this easily? 763 00:35:41,722 --> 00:35:47,270 And I don't wanna say this, but you're so like me that I could see this happening. 764 00:35:47,353 --> 00:35:50,273 And I know this because I see myself in you. 765 00:35:50,356 --> 00:35:51,524 Believe me. 766 00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:57,113 -His past doesn't define who you are. -Yeah. Yeah. 767 00:35:57,196 --> 00:35:59,657 You know this motherfucker, we're gonna fight. 768 00:35:59,740 --> 00:36:01,117 [laughs] 769 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,869 I'm in love. 770 00:36:02,952 --> 00:36:04,704 He's so perfect for me. 771 00:36:04,787 --> 00:36:07,123 He told me he couldn't see a future without me. 772 00:36:08,291 --> 00:36:10,168 -Wow, he said that? -Mm-hmm. 773 00:36:12,336 --> 00:36:13,212 Um… 774 00:36:15,006 --> 00:36:16,090 What's up? 775 00:36:19,302 --> 00:36:20,428 [Aaliyah] He told me. 776 00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:23,055 -[Lydia] You know? You know? -Mm-hmm. 777 00:36:25,099 --> 00:36:26,058 I cried. 778 00:36:28,436 --> 00:36:29,812 -[sighs] -[Lydia] I was scared. 779 00:36:29,896 --> 00:36:32,231 'Cause I didn't know how you were gonna react. 780 00:36:32,315 --> 00:36:33,149 Yeah. 781 00:36:33,232 --> 00:36:35,735 I'm pretty sure you're gonna get along. 782 00:36:35,818 --> 00:36:38,070 -He is kind of like a workaholic. -Yeah, I could tell. 783 00:36:38,154 --> 00:36:41,574 He is OCD. Oh, his house is dope. 784 00:36:41,657 --> 00:36:43,701 -Yeah. -[laughs] 785 00:36:43,784 --> 00:36:46,120 Did I tell you, like, my favorite whiskey is because of Uche? 786 00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:48,497 Wild Turkey Honey. It's his favorite. 787 00:36:48,581 --> 00:36:49,749 Oh, my God. 788 00:36:49,832 --> 00:36:51,459 By the way, I wanna be honest with you. 789 00:36:51,542 --> 00:36:55,630 Last time we saw each other was back in January this year. 790 00:36:55,713 --> 00:36:57,256 -Mm-hmm. -And we slept together. 791 00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:04,055 Looking back, it's really hard and hurtful, 'cause… 792 00:37:05,973 --> 00:37:09,977 From the bottom of my heart, I wanted her to have her happy ending. 793 00:37:10,561 --> 00:37:12,855 It's unfortunate that that didn't happen. 794 00:37:12,939 --> 00:37:15,983 Um, I didn't read the room correctly, as you may see. 795 00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:17,276 However, 796 00:37:18,694 --> 00:37:24,200 I had the best intentions, and I was trying to just be honest. 797 00:37:24,283 --> 00:37:28,204 Do you feel like, Lydia, you finally had this… like an instapot? 798 00:37:28,287 --> 00:37:31,540 Like, the pressure released, and you knew that she knew and you felt free-- 799 00:37:31,624 --> 00:37:35,253 That's the best way to describe it. I just felt an energy release. 800 00:37:35,336 --> 00:37:36,379 I was like… [exhales] 801 00:37:36,462 --> 00:37:39,048 I can say everything now. Like, I'm allowed to. 802 00:37:39,674 --> 00:37:42,885 And as a friend, that's how I am with my best friends. 803 00:37:46,222 --> 00:37:47,556 It was a tough time. 804 00:37:48,432 --> 00:37:52,770 And I did the best that I could with the information that I had 805 00:37:53,896 --> 00:37:56,899 and the relationship and the connection that I had with Aaliyah. 806 00:37:57,858 --> 00:37:59,068 I did care for her. 807 00:37:59,652 --> 00:38:01,862 I still care for her. 808 00:38:01,946 --> 00:38:04,532 Um, I loved her. 809 00:38:04,615 --> 00:38:08,828 I was in a really, really tough position. 810 00:38:09,328 --> 00:38:13,291 And the whole situation with Uche 811 00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:17,128 is not something that was 812 00:38:17,211 --> 00:38:19,380 easy to deal with. 813 00:38:20,923 --> 00:38:23,509 I felt like I came here 814 00:38:23,592 --> 00:38:28,347 to have the genuine Love is Blind experience, and I didn't get that. 815 00:38:28,431 --> 00:38:33,144 Um, I set my boundaries with Lydia when we had the discussion on the couch, 816 00:38:33,227 --> 00:38:35,062 and she didn't respect my boundaries. 817 00:38:35,813 --> 00:38:38,232 And I didn't feel like 818 00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:41,360 they were gonna continue to be respected throughout. 819 00:38:41,444 --> 00:38:45,781 And that's not the type of situation that anybody should have to endure 820 00:38:45,865 --> 00:38:47,867 or deal with going into an engagement. 821 00:38:47,950 --> 00:38:50,870 That should be a happy moment. That should be a sacred moment. 822 00:38:50,953 --> 00:38:55,958 And I didn't get that respect that I was requesting multiple times. 823 00:38:58,711 --> 00:39:02,381 So, Lydia, obviously this is an experiment where people get to know each other 824 00:39:02,465 --> 00:39:05,134 with no preconceived notions. 825 00:39:05,217 --> 00:39:07,970 The producers have said their immediate thought 826 00:39:08,054 --> 00:39:09,847 was to send you and Uche home 827 00:39:09,930 --> 00:39:12,308 after they found out that you knew each other. 828 00:39:12,391 --> 00:39:15,728 However, you and Uche both separately told them 829 00:39:15,811 --> 00:39:18,439 that you had no interest in dating one another, 830 00:39:18,939 --> 00:39:21,067 and you all agreed to continue in the experiment 831 00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:25,696 as long as you didn't reveal your past to the other participants. 832 00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:27,823 Now the feeling 833 00:39:27,907 --> 00:39:31,327 was that revealing that information could ruin the experiment for one another 834 00:39:31,410 --> 00:39:32,661 and for the other participants. 835 00:39:33,371 --> 00:39:35,998 Obviously, once it became clear that you had developed 836 00:39:36,082 --> 00:39:37,917 real feelings for someone else, 837 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,336 the producers and you agreed that you were free 838 00:39:40,419 --> 00:39:43,005 to share that information at any time 839 00:39:43,089 --> 00:39:44,507 with anyone you wanted. 840 00:39:45,341 --> 00:39:48,219 So, Lydia, my question for you is now looking back, 841 00:39:48,302 --> 00:39:51,639 do you think that the producers made the right choice 842 00:39:51,722 --> 00:39:53,516 in allowing you to continue 843 00:39:54,225 --> 00:39:55,476 in the experiment? 844 00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:58,854 -I mean, I'm a little biased, because… -[laughing] 845 00:39:58,938 --> 00:40:01,482 Like, I got married. I found my person. 846 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,404 I think everybody handled it the best way that they could. 847 00:40:07,321 --> 00:40:09,573 Um, it was unfair. 848 00:40:09,657 --> 00:40:12,076 It was unfair to Aaliyah. It was unfair to Uche. 849 00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,287 It was unfair to Milton, and it was unfair to me. 850 00:40:15,371 --> 00:40:18,499 And I think that the public is a little 851 00:40:18,999 --> 00:40:21,293 too quick to judge 852 00:40:21,377 --> 00:40:25,798 in a situation that you don't get a training manual, how to-- 853 00:40:25,881 --> 00:40:27,550 how to deal with that. 854 00:40:27,633 --> 00:40:28,467 [Nick] Hmm. 855 00:40:28,551 --> 00:40:31,679 Aaliyah, do you think that the producers should have allowed them 856 00:40:31,762 --> 00:40:33,889 to stay in the experiment? 857 00:40:33,973 --> 00:40:36,183 [Aaliyah] Yes, they should have allowed them to stay. 858 00:40:36,267 --> 00:40:39,353 I just think that they should have allowed them to, um, 859 00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:42,731 share that information with us. 860 00:40:42,815 --> 00:40:45,234 Like, wouldn't that have compromised the experiment 861 00:40:45,317 --> 00:40:47,486 had you known earlier on? 862 00:40:47,570 --> 00:40:48,529 [Aaliyah] No, I don't. 863 00:40:48,612 --> 00:40:52,283 I think I would have kind of separated myself from Lydia, 864 00:40:52,366 --> 00:40:56,704 especially knowing, like, that the past was so recent. 865 00:40:56,787 --> 00:41:01,250 Um, I would have given her the space to process her emotions 866 00:41:01,333 --> 00:41:03,544 regarding that realization. 867 00:41:03,627 --> 00:41:07,173 'Cause, I mean, if what they're saying is, um, 868 00:41:07,965 --> 00:41:10,468 is true, 'cause I have my… 869 00:41:11,177 --> 00:41:14,305 my beliefs on a few things regarding this situation. 870 00:41:14,388 --> 00:41:17,683 But if what she and Uche are saying is true, 871 00:41:18,184 --> 00:41:22,188 um, they were just as shocked as I was when the news came about. 872 00:41:22,271 --> 00:41:25,065 What about you guys? Do you think that Uche and Lydia, 873 00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:28,152 that the producers made the right choice letting them stay in the experiment? 874 00:41:28,235 --> 00:41:31,197 Throwing it out there since this has never happened before on Love is Blind. 875 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,114 I think so. 876 00:41:32,198 --> 00:41:33,532 -Yeah. -Yeah. 877 00:41:33,616 --> 00:41:36,243 As long as they kept their word, like, yeah, why not? 878 00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:39,330 Like, obviously, they didn't work out. They were both looking for love. 879 00:41:39,413 --> 00:41:42,833 I'm a sucker for love, so I'm like, "Y'all stay. Like, please, come on." 880 00:41:42,917 --> 00:41:44,627 [Stacy] I think it sucks to hear for Aaliyah 881 00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:46,795 'cause it was kind of at your expense. 882 00:41:46,879 --> 00:41:50,591 I don't wanna sound, like, insincere to your experience. 883 00:41:50,674 --> 00:41:53,636 I agree that they should have been in. I said that. 884 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,347 If you put yourself in their shoes and had a connection with someone, 885 00:41:56,430 --> 00:41:58,474 you would wanna, like, see that through. 886 00:41:58,557 --> 00:42:01,185 -When you say you have your own beliefs. -Yeah. 887 00:42:01,268 --> 00:42:02,520 What do you mean by that? 888 00:42:02,603 --> 00:42:05,648 There were things that were said to make me feel 889 00:42:05,731 --> 00:42:08,234 as though Lydia did come here for Uche. 890 00:42:08,317 --> 00:42:11,320 Um, and I would like for you to kind of speak on that, Lydia. 891 00:42:11,403 --> 00:42:12,571 You told multiple women 892 00:42:12,655 --> 00:42:16,909 that you were hoping to run into somebody from your past. 893 00:42:16,992 --> 00:42:19,370 Um, can I finish? Can I finish my statement? 894 00:42:20,204 --> 00:42:24,583 You said you were hoping to run into somebody from your past. 895 00:42:24,667 --> 00:42:27,461 We had a conversation, one-on-one, 896 00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:29,505 outside of filming, where you told me 897 00:42:29,588 --> 00:42:32,424 that you and Uche discussed coming on this show. 898 00:42:33,008 --> 00:42:39,056 And I just feel like it's better to just kind of be real about what happened 899 00:42:39,139 --> 00:42:40,558 and how you both got here. 900 00:42:40,641 --> 00:42:43,519 I just want you to touch on those comments that were made. 901 00:42:43,602 --> 00:42:45,271 Like, where did that come from? 902 00:42:45,354 --> 00:42:49,149 Where was that instinct feeling that you were telling us all that? 903 00:42:49,233 --> 00:42:51,235 You thought somebody was gonna be here. 904 00:42:51,318 --> 00:42:53,612 If you guys never talked about it, 905 00:42:53,696 --> 00:42:56,156 because he has mentioned that, and you've mentioned that, 906 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:59,118 but the contexts have been different, and I just want answers, 907 00:42:59,201 --> 00:43:03,789 and I think everybody wants to understand this a little bit better. 908 00:43:03,872 --> 00:43:08,002 I mean, again, I loved and care for you, 909 00:43:08,085 --> 00:43:10,629 and I say that from the bottom of my heart. 910 00:43:10,713 --> 00:43:14,008 I, in terms of Uche and I, 911 00:43:14,091 --> 00:43:16,719 we had a conversation 912 00:43:16,802 --> 00:43:21,849 of two seconds in November of 2021. 913 00:43:22,474 --> 00:43:25,936 And, "Oh, yeah, I saw the casting." 914 00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:28,564 "Oh, yeah, I did too." And that was it. 915 00:43:28,647 --> 00:43:31,233 I had-- and I'm gonna say it really clear 916 00:43:31,317 --> 00:43:33,319 for the public, for everybody. 917 00:43:33,402 --> 00:43:38,073 I had no confirmation that Uche was gonna be there. 918 00:43:38,782 --> 00:43:42,745 My instinct that day that was like, "Shit, this doesn't feel right." 919 00:43:43,412 --> 00:43:45,581 No, it was not hope. [scoffs] 920 00:43:45,664 --> 00:43:48,542 No. If I had that power, 921 00:43:48,626 --> 00:43:50,210 he would have not been there. 922 00:43:50,294 --> 00:43:51,920 A hundred percent. 923 00:43:52,004 --> 00:43:54,923 I really do think it was really unfortunate for you, Aaliyah. 924 00:43:55,007 --> 00:43:56,550 I don't, um, 925 00:43:57,176 --> 00:44:00,679 I don't think you necessarily got what you were looking for. 926 00:44:01,180 --> 00:44:04,850 And I don't think a lot of people did from this experience. 927 00:44:04,933 --> 00:44:08,103 -[sighs] -[Milton] The only marriage, me and Lydia. 928 00:44:08,812 --> 00:44:14,485 Um, but one thing I will say, I will talk about my wife's character, 929 00:44:15,110 --> 00:44:17,780 because I guarantee you it's much better than mine. 930 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,660 Um… my wife is a fantastic woman. 931 00:44:22,743 --> 00:44:25,412 Um, she motivates me to be better every day. 932 00:44:25,996 --> 00:44:28,499 And I think the accusations, 933 00:44:29,041 --> 00:44:33,087 whatever anybody says, I don't truthfully know Aaliyah, 934 00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:35,964 but I would say, I do know Uche, 935 00:44:36,048 --> 00:44:38,717 and I do know how he presented himself to me. 936 00:44:38,801 --> 00:44:41,428 We were never friends. We were never peers. 937 00:44:42,262 --> 00:44:44,181 Um, he was 938 00:44:45,182 --> 00:44:49,144 interestingly obsessed with my relationship with Lydia. 939 00:44:49,228 --> 00:44:50,396 And I didn't know why. 940 00:44:50,479 --> 00:44:52,940 If Izzy asked me who I was talking to and I said, 941 00:44:53,023 --> 00:44:57,736 "I wanna keep my cards close to my chest," he respected that. 942 00:44:57,820 --> 00:44:59,571 -[Aaliyah] Right. -[Milton] Chris respected. 943 00:44:59,655 --> 00:45:01,615 Uche didn't. He pried. 944 00:45:01,699 --> 00:45:03,909 -And I knew then, something's strange. -[Aaliyah] Right. 945 00:45:03,992 --> 00:45:08,205 Something's weird. He doesn't respect I'm saying "back off." 946 00:45:08,789 --> 00:45:10,249 I placated with him. 947 00:45:10,332 --> 00:45:13,252 You know, they were not my friends. 948 00:45:14,336 --> 00:45:17,047 You know, whatever. Like, sure, I'll take a shot with you, 949 00:45:17,131 --> 00:45:18,507 but we're not friends. 950 00:45:18,590 --> 00:45:22,845 I know his character. He gave me so much unwarranted information about Lydia. 951 00:45:23,345 --> 00:45:25,806 -Um, at that-- -Just a minute, give me… [indistinct] 952 00:45:25,889 --> 00:45:29,435 At the party, he had told me-- 953 00:45:29,518 --> 00:45:32,479 He'd want to pull up screenshots. He'd want to show me everything. 954 00:45:32,563 --> 00:45:35,941 At the end of the day, I told him my relationship that I built 955 00:45:36,024 --> 00:45:40,779 with my fiancée at the time is independent of anything you have going on. 956 00:45:40,863 --> 00:45:45,784 I truthfully don't give a shit because that's how strong my bond is with Lydia. 957 00:45:45,868 --> 00:45:46,785 [Aaliyah] Right. 958 00:45:46,869 --> 00:45:49,204 [Milton] Regardless, no one can deter that. 959 00:45:49,288 --> 00:45:51,373 There are always gonna be detractors in this world 960 00:45:51,457 --> 00:45:53,125 that don't wanna see you succeed. 961 00:45:53,208 --> 00:45:54,710 They don't want you happy. 962 00:45:54,793 --> 00:45:59,089 I think this whole experiment is to understand how to navigate past that. 963 00:45:59,173 --> 00:46:02,259 -And if it's fucking real, you can do it. -[Aaliyah] Mm-hmm. Right. 964 00:46:02,342 --> 00:46:05,179 And I applaud you for setting your boundaries with Uche. 965 00:46:05,262 --> 00:46:07,264 I thought that was pretty amazing. 966 00:46:07,347 --> 00:46:10,142 I was, like, very literally clapping at the TV 967 00:46:10,225 --> 00:46:13,562 when I saw that scene, so good for you, Milton. [chuckles] 968 00:46:13,645 --> 00:46:15,773 -Go, Milton, go. -[Vanessa] Y'all, Milton is so wise. 969 00:46:15,856 --> 00:46:18,525 -He's so wise. -You're such a handsome grown boy. 970 00:46:18,609 --> 00:46:22,863 I'm so proud of you, dude. You're so different from pods to now. 971 00:46:22,946 --> 00:46:24,698 Like, I am honestly so proud of you. 972 00:46:24,782 --> 00:46:28,160 Well, you know why? I think it's because when I first went in, 973 00:46:28,243 --> 00:46:30,954 all the guys that took bets, "Oh, this guy's 24." 974 00:46:31,038 --> 00:46:33,332 -"He's not gonna get shit." -[all laughing] 975 00:46:33,415 --> 00:46:35,667 -We were boys. We fucked around. -[Izzy] Look at you now 976 00:46:35,751 --> 00:46:38,212 And it kind of stuck in my head, and I was like, 977 00:46:38,295 --> 00:46:40,380 "Okay, they're not gonna know the real me." 978 00:46:40,464 --> 00:46:43,258 "They're gonna know the party boy, the fun guy, 979 00:46:43,342 --> 00:46:46,887 the guy that makes jokes." And that's the thing with Lydia. 980 00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:49,181 She saw through that shit real quick, 981 00:46:49,264 --> 00:46:51,934 and she was just like, "No, Milton, be real." 982 00:46:52,017 --> 00:46:54,019 "You're putting on a mask. Take it off." 983 00:46:54,102 --> 00:46:58,690 As time progressed with Izzy, with Chris, you know, with JP, 984 00:46:58,774 --> 00:46:59,942 all the guys that 985 00:47:00,025 --> 00:47:03,570 continued to know me longer, they got to really understand, like, "Oh." 986 00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:05,948 "He's not just the comedic relief dumbass." 987 00:47:06,031 --> 00:47:09,618 Like, he actually, you know, thinks deeply, 988 00:47:09,701 --> 00:47:11,912 and he actually really cares about what he's doing. 989 00:47:11,995 --> 00:47:14,206 -[Vanessa] Yeah. -I don't know if that always portrayed. 990 00:47:14,289 --> 00:47:17,334 [Vanessa] No, no, you know what? In the end, Milton, it did. 991 00:47:17,417 --> 00:47:19,419 And what I will say, Aaliyah, is look, 992 00:47:20,295 --> 00:47:22,714 I think that it all unfolded the way that it was supposed to. 993 00:47:22,798 --> 00:47:25,551 And he makes a very valid point about he kind of was going through 994 00:47:25,634 --> 00:47:28,178 the same thing in different ways on his end, 995 00:47:28,971 --> 00:47:32,307 but found a person that he was able to elevate his relationship with. 996 00:47:32,391 --> 00:47:34,810 -Right, and that's great. -Maybe you and Uche weren't. 997 00:47:34,893 --> 00:47:37,729 [Nick] Well, again, it's never happened on this show before, 998 00:47:37,813 --> 00:47:40,566 and certainly not the way the experiment is designed to work. 999 00:47:40,649 --> 00:47:44,403 And I'm sorry that you feel like you didn't get what you came for. 1000 00:47:44,486 --> 00:47:45,696 I mean, I'm really happy. 1001 00:47:45,779 --> 00:47:48,574 I'm in a beautiful, loving relationship now. 1002 00:47:48,657 --> 00:47:51,159 -With somebody who treats me like a queen. -Good for you. 1003 00:47:51,243 --> 00:47:54,079 [Aaliyah] And I feel that day in and day out, and I'm happy. 1004 00:47:54,162 --> 00:47:58,041 So I think that things happened the way they were supposed to for me. 1005 00:47:58,125 --> 00:48:00,544 -[Vanessa] Yeah. -And have led me to an amazing man now. 1006 00:48:00,627 --> 00:48:02,045 [Vanessa] So where'd you guys meet? 1007 00:48:02,129 --> 00:48:04,548 -We met on an R&B cruise. -[Vanessa] Oh! 1008 00:48:04,631 --> 00:48:08,051 [Aaliyah] I went on this cruise by myself just to kind of enjoy the scene 1009 00:48:08,135 --> 00:48:12,347 and, um, my now partner was there by himself, 1010 00:48:12,431 --> 00:48:14,308 and it was just a very organic meeting, 1011 00:48:14,391 --> 00:48:16,435 and he was very chivalrous, 1012 00:48:16,518 --> 00:48:20,147 and he has been consistent with that since day one. 1013 00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:23,150 -I'm really in a great place, at peace. -[Nick] Good for you. 1014 00:48:23,233 --> 00:48:27,654 We are not fully done talking about Uche just yet. 1015 00:48:27,738 --> 00:48:29,323 We are gonna switch gears. 1016 00:48:29,406 --> 00:48:34,119 We're gonna take a look at the last time that we saw each of you with Uche. 1017 00:48:34,912 --> 00:48:37,581 [groans, laughs] 1018 00:48:40,292 --> 00:48:42,794 I do regret leaving you like that. 1019 00:48:43,378 --> 00:48:44,338 I do love you. 1020 00:48:45,005 --> 00:48:48,383 When I found out that you had left, I broke. 1021 00:48:48,467 --> 00:48:51,178 I thought that we were on the same page. 1022 00:48:51,261 --> 00:48:53,013 The emotions and the doubts, 1023 00:48:53,096 --> 00:48:56,308 they started when I found out about Lydia. 1024 00:48:56,391 --> 00:48:57,601 We talked about it. 1025 00:48:57,684 --> 00:48:59,937 You told me that you left because, 1026 00:49:00,020 --> 00:49:03,690 you know, you got into a fight with Lydia. 1027 00:49:04,274 --> 00:49:08,362 But the real reason is you didn't have confidence in me, 1028 00:49:08,445 --> 00:49:11,198 and you didn't have confidence in our relationship. 1029 00:49:11,281 --> 00:49:12,991 I think it's over between us. 1030 00:49:14,409 --> 00:49:16,495 Whenever we started talking again, 1031 00:49:16,578 --> 00:49:18,747 I started getting messages 1032 00:49:18,830 --> 00:49:22,459 from girls that I follow on Instagram saying that 1033 00:49:22,542 --> 00:49:25,045 you have been watching their stories. 1034 00:49:25,712 --> 00:49:26,964 [hesitates] 1035 00:49:27,047 --> 00:49:30,217 And then you drove by my house one day. 1036 00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:31,927 -You took a picture of my house. -No. 1037 00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:33,303 And you sent it to me. 1038 00:49:33,387 --> 00:49:34,888 -[Lydia] Listen. -You said, "I see you." 1039 00:49:34,972 --> 00:49:38,600 -I have nothing else to say. -I have one last thing to say to you. 1040 00:49:38,684 --> 00:49:40,310 -No. After this? -I have one last thing. 1041 00:49:40,394 --> 00:49:43,981 -I am super disappointed with you, Uche. -I have one last thing, one last thing. 1042 00:49:44,064 --> 00:49:47,234 I was super disappointed with you. I thought you were a great guy. 1043 00:49:47,317 --> 00:49:50,195 -I ain't gonna deal with this shit. -[Uche] I just showed you. 1044 00:49:50,278 --> 00:49:52,948 -[Miriam] He's a freaking coward. -He wants to portray me as crazy. 1045 00:49:53,031 --> 00:49:54,032 He was a liar. 1046 00:49:54,116 --> 00:49:56,702 He slept with someone while he was dating me. 1047 00:49:56,785 --> 00:49:58,954 You and her have very different perceptions. 1048 00:49:59,579 --> 00:50:00,789 You guys are both grown. 1049 00:50:00,872 --> 00:50:03,000 Regardless if, like, you and her see eye-to eye. 1050 00:50:03,083 --> 00:50:05,544 Like, we're all on different dimensional planes. 1051 00:50:06,461 --> 00:50:07,462 It is what it is. 1052 00:50:10,215 --> 00:50:13,301 There was a part at the barbecue that, 1053 00:50:13,385 --> 00:50:15,721 Milton, you actually showed your phone 1054 00:50:15,804 --> 00:50:18,390 to Lydia during the conversation with Uche. 1055 00:50:18,473 --> 00:50:20,225 What was on the phone? 1056 00:50:20,308 --> 00:50:23,103 So going into that situation at the party, 1057 00:50:23,186 --> 00:50:27,524 we understood there may be parties that we don't all, like, get along with. 1058 00:50:27,607 --> 00:50:31,236 And I gave Lydia kind of, like, a safe word. 1059 00:50:31,319 --> 00:50:36,700 Like, "Hey, if this gets too much, like, we can dip out. We can leave." 1060 00:50:36,783 --> 00:50:40,078 -[Vanessa gasps] -And it's just an oil barrel emoji. 1061 00:50:40,162 --> 00:50:42,372 -[Vanessa] You guys-- -And I showed her the oil barrel. 1062 00:50:42,456 --> 00:50:43,623 And she's like… 1063 00:50:43,707 --> 00:50:45,584 You are so wise beyond your years. 1064 00:50:45,667 --> 00:50:47,753 Why the oil barrel? I can't even say it. 1065 00:50:47,836 --> 00:50:50,213 -Oil barrel. -Oil and gas, same industry. 1066 00:50:50,297 --> 00:50:54,134 I don't know. It's just like-- it was-- like, how often do you use that emoji? 1067 00:50:54,217 --> 00:50:56,344 Like, if you sent that to somebody, they would be like… 1068 00:50:56,428 --> 00:50:57,637 [Vanessa] You showed it to her, 1069 00:50:57,721 --> 00:50:59,890 because you could tell at that point in the conversation… 1070 00:50:59,973 --> 00:51:01,183 [Milton] She was uncomfortable. 1071 00:51:01,266 --> 00:51:03,101 She didn't wanna continue that conversation. 1072 00:51:03,185 --> 00:51:06,646 -[Lydia] Mm-hmm. -And, like, hey, like… 1073 00:51:07,189 --> 00:51:10,609 Are you hitting your point to where "fuck it, it's not worth it"? 1074 00:51:10,692 --> 00:51:12,903 -She's like, "Yeah." -Oil barrel. 1075 00:51:12,986 --> 00:51:15,322 -How romantic. -We need a safe word emoji, babe. 1076 00:51:15,405 --> 00:51:16,323 Oh, I have a safe word. 1077 00:51:16,406 --> 00:51:17,449 [all laughing] 1078 00:51:17,532 --> 00:51:20,368 Aaliyah, did the two of you continue to see one another at all? 1079 00:51:20,452 --> 00:51:23,121 We actually did date after filming. 1080 00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:25,791 -We tried to. -[Vanessa] And then it ended. 1081 00:51:26,374 --> 00:51:28,543 It ended, yeah, for many reasons. [chuckles] 1082 00:51:28,627 --> 00:51:31,630 Um, I don't think I was his type. 1083 00:51:31,713 --> 00:51:34,049 Um, ultimately, he had kind of mentioned 1084 00:51:34,132 --> 00:51:37,219 to a few people that were part of the cast 1085 00:51:37,302 --> 00:51:42,099 that I wasn't, um, the type of woman that he normally found attractive. 1086 00:51:42,724 --> 00:51:46,269 And, um, just based off of everything that I had experienced, 1087 00:51:46,353 --> 00:51:50,190 I just didn't feel like I wanted to chase a relationship with anyone. 1088 00:51:50,273 --> 00:51:52,109 Like, I know my worth as a woman. 1089 00:51:52,692 --> 00:51:54,236 -I know I'm beautiful. -[Vanessa] Mm-hmm. 1090 00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:57,197 And I'm proud of who I am and how I carry myself. 1091 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,910 And his tone with me was just still so very mean 1092 00:52:01,993 --> 00:52:04,079 and kind of condescending. 1093 00:52:04,663 --> 00:52:07,207 I think he pretty much shocked everybody. 1094 00:52:07,290 --> 00:52:10,043 Um, I was very shocked to see some of the scenes 1095 00:52:10,127 --> 00:52:13,130 that were shown as far as the barbecue. Um… 1096 00:52:15,006 --> 00:52:18,802 That's not even the person that I felt like I talked to in the pods. 1097 00:52:18,885 --> 00:52:21,763 [Vanessa] What about the person you dated after the season wrapped? 1098 00:52:21,847 --> 00:52:24,558 Do you feel like you got pod Uche or barbecue Uche? 1099 00:52:24,641 --> 00:52:26,226 -Mm, barbecue Uche. -[Lydia] Mm-hmm. 1100 00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:28,311 -[Vanessa] When you were dating? -[Aaliyah] Yes. 1101 00:52:28,395 --> 00:52:33,191 Uche was invited to the reunion today, and he chose not to be a part of this. 1102 00:52:33,275 --> 00:52:34,609 So I'm just curious, 1103 00:52:35,819 --> 00:52:37,946 when was the last time that any of you spoke to Uche? 1104 00:52:38,029 --> 00:52:40,407 Is anyone still involved with Uche at this point? 1105 00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:42,450 -Not a fan. -[Milton] He occasionally still texts. 1106 00:52:42,534 --> 00:52:44,369 He'll reach out. 1107 00:52:45,287 --> 00:52:47,581 No response. I won't respond to him. 1108 00:52:47,664 --> 00:52:50,041 -[Nick] Yeah. -There's no purpose, no point. 1109 00:52:50,917 --> 00:52:52,794 [Izzy] I'm not really too much of a fan of Uche. 1110 00:52:52,878 --> 00:52:54,838 I thought all of us guys at the pods, 1111 00:52:54,921 --> 00:52:59,551 we were super respectful of our, you know, time there. 1112 00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:03,221 Um, but yeah, to some of the girls, he would just, you know, 1113 00:53:03,847 --> 00:53:08,476 talk bad about me, which I was shocked, 'cause I thought we were cool. 1114 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,147 Obviously, I don't really give a shit, and I don't really know the guy. 1115 00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:15,525 Um, but it's just like, "What did I do to you?" 1116 00:53:15,609 --> 00:53:18,069 -So it's not surprising he's not here. -[Vanessa] Yeah. 1117 00:53:18,153 --> 00:53:20,864 He did text me the day that the show aired. 1118 00:53:21,489 --> 00:53:23,325 He texted me and said, 1119 00:53:24,242 --> 00:53:27,412 "Hey, I'm gonna watch later tonight." 1120 00:53:27,495 --> 00:53:31,374 "If there's anything that you want to discuss that you hear, I'm available." 1121 00:53:31,458 --> 00:53:33,418 He sent me that exact same text. 1122 00:53:33,501 --> 00:53:36,129 -Oh. [chuckles] -[Vanessa] The man is efficient. 1123 00:53:36,213 --> 00:53:38,590 -Oh, boy. -[Lydia laughs] 1124 00:53:38,673 --> 00:53:40,592 [Vanessa] What did he send to you, Milton? 1125 00:53:40,675 --> 00:53:44,221 [Milton] Um, the day I got married, he… 1126 00:53:44,304 --> 00:53:47,849 It was, you know, it's my wedding day. I'd just gotten married. 1127 00:53:47,933 --> 00:53:50,268 Like, having a text from Izzy, like, "Bro, how'd it go?" 1128 00:53:50,352 --> 00:53:52,062 Makes sense. We talked every day. 1129 00:53:52,604 --> 00:53:55,941 Him, zero communication. He texts me. He said, "Hey, man." 1130 00:53:56,691 --> 00:53:58,985 "Heard you got married. Wanna talk about it?" 1131 00:54:00,070 --> 00:54:02,405 -[Izzy] That's creepy. -Why's everyone need to talk about it? 1132 00:54:02,489 --> 00:54:05,951 [Milton] No, not really. Again, I just didn't respond. 1133 00:54:06,034 --> 00:54:06,868 [Vanessa] Good man. 1134 00:54:06,952 --> 00:54:09,120 [Nick] And I wanna echo what they said earlier about you. 1135 00:54:09,204 --> 00:54:12,791 I was just so taken aback by the way you handled that situation. 1136 00:54:12,874 --> 00:54:15,877 I had so much respect for you, and the man that you are-- 1137 00:54:15,961 --> 00:54:19,422 Nick and I called each other. We're like, "We're on different planes, baby." 1138 00:54:19,506 --> 00:54:20,507 [all laughing] 1139 00:54:20,590 --> 00:54:22,217 [Vanessa] "I'm over here. You're here." 1140 00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:25,262 It was like, "I'm not even gonna give you my emotional self on this." 1141 00:54:25,345 --> 00:54:28,932 "I'm just gonna…" It was handled so well, and I had so much respect for the way you… 1142 00:54:29,015 --> 00:54:30,016 Thank you. 1143 00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:31,977 Should we all close the Uche book now? 1144 00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:33,186 [Aaliyah] Please. 1145 00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:34,896 -Boom. -[laughing] 1146 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,357 [Vanessa] Aaliyah's like, "I closed that book." 1147 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,111 -A long time ago. [laughs] -Good for you. Good for you. 1148 00:54:41,194 --> 00:54:43,989 Well, there was one more couple who got engaged in the pods, 1149 00:54:44,072 --> 00:54:46,616 but didn't make it past the getaways. 1150 00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:50,787 It was in Mexico that Taylor began to see JP's red, 1151 00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:52,664 white and blue flags. 1152 00:54:52,747 --> 00:54:55,583 Right now, let's welcome JP and Taylor. 1153 00:54:55,667 --> 00:54:56,584 [Johnie chuckles] 1154 00:54:58,545 --> 00:55:00,255 -Hey, buddy. -Hi. Hey! 1155 00:55:00,338 --> 00:55:01,756 -Hey. -[Izzy] Hey-hey. 1156 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,135 -Oh, baby. Meow. -Wow, you look-- hey-hey. 1157 00:55:05,218 --> 00:55:06,219 [Vanessa] Wow. 1158 00:55:06,303 --> 00:55:07,887 -Hey, Taylor. -Hi. 1159 00:55:07,971 --> 00:55:09,848 [Vanessa] Golden goddess over here. 1160 00:55:09,931 --> 00:55:12,142 -[Stacy] Beautiful. -[Milton] The socks. There they are. 1161 00:55:12,225 --> 00:55:13,059 Yeah, buddy. 1162 00:55:13,143 --> 00:55:17,105 -[Vanessa] And of course, JP, on brand. -[all laughing] 1163 00:55:17,188 --> 00:55:18,523 [Vanessa] Let me see the socks on. 1164 00:55:18,606 --> 00:55:21,359 -[Nick] The full sock. There you go. -[Milton] Captain America himself. 1165 00:55:21,443 --> 00:55:24,362 -[all laughing] -[Vanessa] Captain America, okay. 1166 00:55:24,988 --> 00:55:27,907 We're gonna take a quick look back at your journey, 1167 00:55:27,991 --> 00:55:30,076 Taylor and JP, together. Everyone have a look. 1168 00:55:33,455 --> 00:55:35,915 [JP, voice breaks] Love is something I've been searching for. 1169 00:55:35,999 --> 00:55:38,418 Taylor McKinsey-Roo, will you marry me? 1170 00:55:38,501 --> 00:55:41,254 I will! [laughs] 1171 00:55:42,505 --> 00:55:44,049 Oh, my God. 1172 00:55:44,132 --> 00:55:46,134 [gasps] Sugar butt! 1173 00:55:46,217 --> 00:55:47,385 Hi. 1174 00:55:47,469 --> 00:55:48,845 [JP] How you doing? 1175 00:55:48,928 --> 00:55:50,930 [Taylor] Fiancé. 1176 00:55:51,014 --> 00:55:53,016 Fiancé. [laughs] 1177 00:55:53,099 --> 00:55:54,476 -[exhales] -[chuckles] 1178 00:55:55,268 --> 00:55:57,020 I don't know what we're supposed to do now. 1179 00:55:57,103 --> 00:55:58,063 [Taylor] Act normal. 1180 00:55:58,146 --> 00:55:59,981 Going out from talking at a wall 1181 00:56:00,065 --> 00:56:03,318 and then talking in person is, like, completely different. 1182 00:56:03,985 --> 00:56:05,153 Do you agree? 1183 00:56:05,737 --> 00:56:06,654 Harder? 1184 00:56:06,738 --> 00:56:08,406 In more ways than one? 1185 00:56:09,699 --> 00:56:12,327 Do you think that you could sleep with me for the rest of your life? 1186 00:56:12,410 --> 00:56:14,371 [laughing] I don't know. 1187 00:56:15,497 --> 00:56:19,376 So the way I looked made you communicate differently? 1188 00:56:19,459 --> 00:56:21,586 I like you better without makeup. 1189 00:56:21,669 --> 00:56:23,588 You didn't know what I looked like before. 1190 00:56:23,671 --> 00:56:26,174 -But now I do. -I'm gonna do what I wanna do. 1191 00:56:26,257 --> 00:56:28,426 Then wear makeup. Do whatever the fuck you want. 1192 00:56:28,510 --> 00:56:29,969 -I don't care. -So done with it. 1193 00:56:30,053 --> 00:56:31,513 The way I felt about you in the pods, 1194 00:56:31,596 --> 00:56:33,515 I could've spent the rest of my life with you, 1195 00:56:33,598 --> 00:56:35,725 and here it's just completely different. 1196 00:56:35,809 --> 00:56:37,602 You're not the person I fell in love with. 1197 00:56:38,937 --> 00:56:40,021 I'm done. 1198 00:56:48,446 --> 00:56:50,448 So, JP, Taylor, 1199 00:56:50,532 --> 00:56:55,078 obviously you lived it, but now you've had a chance to see it. 1200 00:56:55,161 --> 00:56:58,289 What was it like, watching the show back for you two? 1201 00:56:59,207 --> 00:57:01,209 It was not fun. I'll tell you that. 1202 00:57:01,292 --> 00:57:06,589 It was, uh, hard going through it, and it was even harder to watch. 1203 00:57:07,674 --> 00:57:09,217 [Vanessa] What was hard for you, JP? 1204 00:57:10,135 --> 00:57:11,344 Uh… 1205 00:57:11,886 --> 00:57:14,764 Just knowing that I probably should have done more and then 1206 00:57:15,849 --> 00:57:17,183 I didn't know, like, 1207 00:57:18,601 --> 00:57:21,187 that I was gonna be, like, so nervous 1208 00:57:21,271 --> 00:57:24,441 when, like, cameras are, like, right on your face 'cause, like, 1209 00:57:25,316 --> 00:57:27,444 when you're in the lounge and stuff, 1210 00:57:27,527 --> 00:57:30,321 they're, like, kind of off to the side, so you don't really see 'em. 1211 00:57:30,405 --> 00:57:33,533 When you get to Mexico, there's two cameras in the room. 1212 00:57:33,616 --> 00:57:35,702 And there's a bunch of people, and you're just like, 1213 00:57:36,244 --> 00:57:38,079 "What are we supposed to do?" [chuckles] 1214 00:57:38,163 --> 00:57:40,415 Are you saying you feel like you couldn't be yourself? 1215 00:57:40,498 --> 00:57:43,001 You would've acted differently had the cameras not been… 1216 00:57:43,084 --> 00:57:44,961 Yeah, I just feel like I was 1217 00:57:46,004 --> 00:57:48,923 thrown back into my shell, and I just didn't know what to do. 1218 00:57:49,007 --> 00:57:53,052 I was just… nervous and freaking out. 1219 00:57:53,136 --> 00:57:54,596 When the cameras weren't there? 1220 00:57:56,055 --> 00:57:59,559 I mean, it was still weird, 'cause like, what are we supposed to do? 1221 00:57:59,642 --> 00:58:01,102 We're just supposed to sit here? 1222 00:58:01,186 --> 00:58:03,480 We could have talked, communicated. 1223 00:58:04,814 --> 00:58:09,652 Yeah, but it was long days, and… you didn't wanna be there anyway, so… 1224 00:58:10,236 --> 00:58:11,654 I didn't wanna be there? 1225 00:58:11,738 --> 00:58:14,908 -[JP] You tried to leave every single day. -You did not wanna be there. 1226 00:58:14,991 --> 00:58:17,535 You wouldn't communicate with me. You wouldn't talk to me. 1227 00:58:17,619 --> 00:58:20,163 -[JP] Okay. -You just admitted you didn't try. 1228 00:58:20,246 --> 00:58:22,665 That was very clear. Watching back, that was very clear. 1229 00:58:22,749 --> 00:58:24,292 -You did not try. -[JP] Okay. 1230 00:58:25,710 --> 00:58:28,213 Are you buying his explanation that it had to do with the cameras, 1231 00:58:28,296 --> 00:58:30,215 or you think it was something deeper than that? 1232 00:58:30,298 --> 00:58:31,883 A lot deeper than that. 1233 00:58:31,966 --> 00:58:34,928 Sure, I was nervous too with the cameras on. I'm sure we all were. 1234 00:58:35,011 --> 00:58:37,972 -[both] Mm-hmm -[Taylor] But that's not an excuse. 1235 00:58:38,056 --> 00:58:41,392 I had a ring on my finger. We were supposed to get married in three weeks, 1236 00:58:41,476 --> 00:58:43,686 and you're gonna let the cameras ruin that? 1237 00:58:44,521 --> 00:58:48,149 Or my makeup or whatever else it was? 1238 00:58:49,484 --> 00:58:51,778 -[JP] Yeah. -Not okay and it was hard watching back. 1239 00:58:53,655 --> 00:58:54,781 A lot of tears. 1240 00:58:55,907 --> 00:58:57,867 What was hard for you, Taylor? 1241 00:58:57,951 --> 00:58:59,702 'Cause I feel like I did try. 1242 00:59:00,453 --> 00:59:04,249 I, like, was basically pulling things out of him in Mexico. 1243 00:59:05,583 --> 00:59:07,377 And it was still not enough. 1244 00:59:08,461 --> 00:59:12,423 That's not the way to get me to open up is to keep hounding me, 1245 00:59:13,091 --> 00:59:15,927 saying, "Hey, this is awkward. This is awkward. Do better." 1246 00:59:16,010 --> 00:59:18,721 -It's not the way to get me to open up. -The conversation was the same. 1247 00:59:18,805 --> 00:59:21,933 I was trying to, like, figure out what the problem was. 1248 00:59:22,016 --> 00:59:25,270 Well, apparently, it was my makeup that threw him for a loop. 1249 00:59:25,853 --> 00:59:28,731 But you said you didn't believe that it was just that. That it was more. 1250 00:59:28,815 --> 00:59:32,610 I don't think that he was attracted to me from the second we met each other. 1251 00:59:33,319 --> 00:59:35,905 Um, he gave me zero validation. 1252 00:59:35,989 --> 00:59:39,659 When I asked about our future, as we saw, he didn't answer. 1253 00:59:40,326 --> 00:59:45,707 Um, and on top of that, you belittled me and made me feel less than I am. 1254 00:59:47,500 --> 00:59:48,418 I'm sorry for that, 1255 00:59:48,501 --> 00:59:52,213 and I did not intend for that to come out that way. 1256 00:59:52,297 --> 00:59:55,216 And it came out wrong, and I do feel bad for that. 1257 00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,176 So I apologize. 1258 00:59:57,260 --> 01:00:00,013 I… genuinely wanted to just 1259 01:00:00,096 --> 01:00:02,932 let you know that I thought you looked beautiful without makeup. 1260 01:00:03,016 --> 01:00:06,144 And that's the only thing I was trying to say, and it came out wrong, 1261 01:00:06,227 --> 01:00:09,147 and I'm sorry, and… yeah. 1262 01:00:11,649 --> 01:00:13,276 I forgive you. 1263 01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:15,028 -Thank you. -[Taylor] We're human. 1264 01:00:15,111 --> 01:00:16,279 We make mistakes. 1265 01:00:17,989 --> 01:00:19,365 But learn from it. 1266 01:00:20,074 --> 01:00:21,659 Don't do that to another girl. 1267 01:00:24,037 --> 01:00:27,624 Uh, for you, Taylor, you mentioned when you first saw him, 1268 01:00:27,707 --> 01:00:31,085 you were also very transparent, like, "Look, he's got a gap in his teeth." 1269 01:00:31,169 --> 01:00:34,213 "I wouldn't normally go for that, but I fell in love with this guy." 1270 01:00:34,297 --> 01:00:36,257 So do you think that as you got to Mexico, 1271 01:00:36,341 --> 01:00:38,718 his physical started to kind of wear on you, 1272 01:00:38,801 --> 01:00:40,762 or that had nothing to do with it? 1273 01:00:40,845 --> 01:00:42,597 Nothing to do with it. 1274 01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,850 Like I said, past me, being so self-critical, 1275 01:00:45,933 --> 01:00:50,480 I was also critical of other people, so sure, I would have judged him 1276 01:00:50,563 --> 01:00:53,524 for some small flaw, but that's why I came on the show 1277 01:00:53,608 --> 01:00:56,235 was to fall in love with somebody emotionally. 1278 01:00:56,319 --> 01:00:58,863 And that's what I did, but it just wasn't enough. 1279 01:00:59,739 --> 01:01:02,659 Well, JP, I don't wanna speak for you, but I think you said 1280 01:01:02,742 --> 01:01:04,744 that what you were trying to say was, 1281 01:01:04,827 --> 01:01:06,996 "I think you're beautiful without makeup." 1282 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,917 -Yeah, it just came out wrong. -[Nick] You said it in a way that was not… 1283 01:01:12,001 --> 01:01:13,294 not the smoothest. 1284 01:01:13,378 --> 01:01:19,258 Do you think that you were not physically attracted to Taylor? 1285 01:01:20,343 --> 01:01:21,844 Definitely the first time I saw her, 1286 01:01:21,928 --> 01:01:25,056 it was a little shocking and off-putting, but… 1287 01:01:25,848 --> 01:01:26,724 [Vanessa] Why is that? 1288 01:01:28,518 --> 01:01:31,312 [JP] I just think it's kind of fake, and 1289 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,566 not something that I generally like to-- 1290 01:01:36,317 --> 01:01:38,027 -I don't know. -[Vanessa] Does she-- 1291 01:01:38,111 --> 01:01:39,904 -[Nick] Speaking of the makeup again? -Yeah. 1292 01:01:40,988 --> 01:01:43,908 [Vanessa] Is she someone that you would go hit on in a bar? 1293 01:01:45,201 --> 01:01:46,744 Uh, generally, I don't. 1294 01:01:47,495 --> 01:01:51,499 And any women, I have my friends do that. [chuckles] 1295 01:01:51,582 --> 01:01:56,337 Like, they'll be the icebreaker and then I'll get to talking after that, 1296 01:01:56,421 --> 01:01:58,673 but I'm not an icebreaker person, so I don't-- 1297 01:01:58,756 --> 01:02:00,925 [Vanessa] Does she look like anyone you've ever dated? 1298 01:02:01,008 --> 01:02:02,260 Uh, maybe, yeah. 1299 01:02:04,303 --> 01:02:05,930 [Vanessa] Taylor, when you met him, 1300 01:02:06,013 --> 01:02:09,058 did you feel attracted to him when you first saw him? 1301 01:02:09,142 --> 01:02:09,976 Yeah. 1302 01:02:10,059 --> 01:02:13,146 [Vanessa] What was your feeling when you had that big red carpet reveal? 1303 01:02:13,229 --> 01:02:16,107 -Thank God he's tall. [laughs] -[laughing] 1304 01:02:16,190 --> 01:02:18,025 -Is he tall? -[Taylor] I was excited, nervous. 1305 01:02:18,109 --> 01:02:19,402 [all laughing] 1306 01:02:19,485 --> 01:02:21,779 -Well, he's not Milton tall. -Nobody's Milton tall. 1307 01:02:21,863 --> 01:02:24,240 In his world, everybody's short, but it's a different world. 1308 01:02:24,323 --> 01:02:25,533 [Taylor] Uh, I was excited. 1309 01:02:25,616 --> 01:02:28,995 And ready to, like, start the future. 1310 01:02:29,078 --> 01:02:33,082 Is this the first time that you two have seen each other since that split? 1311 01:02:33,166 --> 01:02:34,625 -[JP] Yep. -[Vanessa] Yeah. 1312 01:02:35,710 --> 01:02:37,462 -[Taylor] Yeah? -[Vanessa] How you feeling? 1313 01:02:37,545 --> 01:02:39,505 [laughs, sniffles] Mm. 1314 01:02:40,339 --> 01:02:42,633 [clicks tongue] I'm okay. 1315 01:02:42,717 --> 01:02:44,343 -[Vanessa] Okay. -[Taylor] Um… 1316 01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,973 But like you said, I guess things could have been handled differently. 1317 01:02:49,056 --> 01:02:52,977 If you would have told me, "Hey, stop hounding me about the same thing," 1318 01:02:54,270 --> 01:02:58,024 I probably would have, and I probably would have gone about it a different way. 1319 01:02:58,107 --> 01:03:01,486 But I kept bringing it up because it wasn't being fixed. 1320 01:03:01,569 --> 01:03:04,322 -[Aaliyah] Mm-hmm. -I'm sorry I didn't. 1321 01:03:04,864 --> 01:03:06,991 I wasn't able to communicate that to you. 1322 01:03:08,785 --> 01:03:11,829 Are you two seeing anyone now? Have you guys moved on? 1323 01:03:11,913 --> 01:03:14,957 -Are you in relationships? -I've been dating a girl for about a year. 1324 01:03:16,918 --> 01:03:19,253 -[Vanessa] What about you, Taylor? -I am seeing somebody. 1325 01:03:19,337 --> 01:03:21,380 Not dating, just seeing somebody. [laughs] 1326 01:03:22,048 --> 01:03:24,217 -Not official yet. Taking it slow. -[Vanessa] Got it. 1327 01:03:24,300 --> 01:03:25,510 -Okay. -[Taylor] Yeah. 1328 01:03:25,593 --> 01:03:29,430 And, JP, do you find that you're able to communicate with your current girlfriend? 1329 01:03:29,514 --> 01:03:30,348 Yes. 1330 01:03:30,973 --> 01:03:34,227 I think that I learned a lot from it. 1331 01:03:34,310 --> 01:03:37,188 I'm sure he did too, and that's what you do with failed relationships. 1332 01:03:37,271 --> 01:03:39,565 You learn from it and take it into your next relationship. 1333 01:03:39,649 --> 01:03:44,320 And you do things differently. So congratulations, I'm happy for you. 1334 01:03:44,403 --> 01:03:45,530 -Thank you. -[Taylor] Yeah. 1335 01:03:45,613 --> 01:03:46,989 [Vanessa] Here's a little advice. 1336 01:03:47,073 --> 01:03:49,575 You guys were not here, but don't go to the bars in Houston. 1337 01:03:49,659 --> 01:03:50,535 [laughing] 1338 01:03:50,618 --> 01:03:52,578 [Vanessa laughs] Y'all will run into each other. 1339 01:03:52,662 --> 01:03:54,288 [Milton] Don't understand what's going on. 1340 01:03:54,372 --> 01:03:55,957 [Vanessa] It's time to have a little fun. 1341 01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,584 -Ooh! -Everybody bring out your boards. 1342 01:03:59,794 --> 01:04:02,088 Now, we're gonna ask the group some questions. 1343 01:04:02,171 --> 01:04:04,173 You'll write down your answers on your board, 1344 01:04:04,257 --> 01:04:08,177 keeping them hidden before revealing them one at a time to the entire group. 1345 01:04:08,261 --> 01:04:09,345 You guys ready? 1346 01:04:09,428 --> 01:04:10,680 -Yes. Hey! -[Nick] Let's play! 1347 01:04:12,098 --> 01:04:15,476 Who would you have most likely hit on in the real world? 1348 01:04:18,688 --> 01:04:21,816 Who would you have most likely hit on in the real world? Start with Taylor. 1349 01:04:21,899 --> 01:04:22,942 -Chris. -[Vanessa] Chris? 1350 01:04:23,025 --> 01:04:24,360 Yay! 1351 01:04:24,443 --> 01:04:25,570 [laughs] 1352 01:04:25,653 --> 01:04:26,696 [Vanessa and Nick] No one. 1353 01:04:26,779 --> 01:04:27,613 Sorry, guys. 1354 01:04:27,697 --> 01:04:28,823 [Izzy] Stacy. 1355 01:04:28,906 --> 01:04:30,700 -[laughing] -Izzy. 1356 01:04:30,783 --> 01:04:32,201 Milton. 1357 01:04:33,995 --> 01:04:35,872 -[laughing] -Chris. 1358 01:04:35,955 --> 01:04:36,956 Two. 1359 01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:38,291 -Chris. -[Izzy] Dawg. 1360 01:04:38,875 --> 01:04:41,502 -Milton. So tall. -Oh, boy. 1361 01:04:41,586 --> 01:04:43,629 -I'm gonna go with no one. -[Nick] Okay. All right. 1362 01:04:43,713 --> 01:04:44,797 [Johnie] Oh, man. 1363 01:04:44,881 --> 01:04:47,425 -What does Miriam do for work? -[all laughing] 1364 01:04:47,508 --> 01:04:49,010 What if we don't know? [laughs] 1365 01:04:49,093 --> 01:04:51,929 -I got you, Miriam. I know your job. -[Taylor] I don't know. 1366 01:04:52,889 --> 01:04:55,433 -[laughing] Sells stuff. I don't know. -[Stacy] Sells stuff. 1367 01:04:55,516 --> 01:04:57,643 -[Taylor] She sells something. -Scientist. 1368 01:04:57,727 --> 01:04:59,896 -[laughs] -Skin care, question mark. 1369 01:04:59,979 --> 01:05:02,148 [chuckles] Scientist and entrepreneur. 1370 01:05:02,231 --> 01:05:03,190 I put chemist. 1371 01:05:04,609 --> 01:05:07,194 -Everything? -[all laughing] 1372 01:05:07,278 --> 01:05:08,613 Chemist and sells lotion. 1373 01:05:08,696 --> 01:05:10,323 I put "Houstatlantavegas." 1374 01:05:10,406 --> 01:05:13,492 -[laughing] -What? What does that say? 1375 01:05:13,576 --> 01:05:15,119 -"Houstatlantavegas." -[Vanessa] Hashtag. 1376 01:05:15,202 --> 01:05:17,663 -I put science or something with skincare. -[Vanessa] Okay. 1377 01:05:17,747 --> 01:05:19,040 You got that one. 1378 01:05:19,123 --> 01:05:20,041 Clear the boards. 1379 01:05:20,124 --> 01:05:25,129 What song sums up your experience this season on Love is Blind? 1380 01:05:25,212 --> 01:05:26,756 -[muttering] -[chuckling] 1381 01:05:26,839 --> 01:05:29,175 If anyone needs the 98 Degrees discography, let me know. 1382 01:05:29,258 --> 01:05:31,636 Unfortunately, I think that came out before I was born. 1383 01:05:31,719 --> 01:05:33,721 -Oh! -[laughing] 1384 01:05:34,889 --> 01:05:36,432 Uh, "the Sound of Silence." 1385 01:05:36,515 --> 01:05:37,808 [laughing] 1386 01:05:37,892 --> 01:05:39,685 "Quit Playing with My Heart," Backstreet Boys. 1387 01:05:39,769 --> 01:05:42,146 -[laughing] -"Quit Playing Games with My Heart." 1388 01:05:42,229 --> 01:05:43,814 -It's been a minute. -[Nick] All right. 1389 01:05:43,898 --> 01:05:45,691 I said "The 1" by Taylor Swift. 1390 01:05:45,775 --> 01:05:48,444 -But we had two, right? -[laughing] 1391 01:05:48,527 --> 01:05:50,029 "Two Is Better Than One," Taylor Swift. 1392 01:05:50,613 --> 01:05:53,074 -"99 Problems." -[cheering] 1393 01:05:53,157 --> 01:05:54,033 [Aaliyah] Oh, my God. 1394 01:05:54,116 --> 01:05:55,660 -That's good. -[Taylor] That is good. 1395 01:05:55,743 --> 01:05:57,536 -"Crazy in Love" by Beyoncé. -[Nick] Oh! 1396 01:05:57,620 --> 01:05:59,997 [Vanessa] Oh! That's good. I like this. 1397 01:06:00,539 --> 01:06:03,876 -"My Love Don't Cost a Thing." J.Lo. -[all laughing] 1398 01:06:05,544 --> 01:06:08,255 -"Hot N Cold" by Katy Perry. -[all laughing] 1399 01:06:08,339 --> 01:06:09,507 This is a good one. 1400 01:06:09,590 --> 01:06:11,676 -"Thank U, Next." -Hey! 1401 01:06:11,759 --> 01:06:13,302 [Taylor] "Silent Night." 1402 01:06:13,386 --> 01:06:15,554 -[laughing] -[Stacy] The Christmas song? 1403 01:06:15,638 --> 01:06:17,723 [Nick] I like that both had a sense of humor about it. 1404 01:06:17,807 --> 01:06:20,059 -Oh, I get it. -Guys, good job. 1405 01:06:20,142 --> 01:06:22,979 -Did I win? -Appreciate you guys all playing. 1406 01:06:23,062 --> 01:06:25,147 And for anyone wanting to know what it's like to be 1407 01:06:25,231 --> 01:06:28,609 one of our singles on Love is Blind, just download the Love is Blind game 1408 01:06:28,693 --> 01:06:31,278 on the Netflix mobile app and join in the fun. 1409 01:06:31,362 --> 01:06:34,865 Thank you guys so much for being here, 1410 01:06:34,949 --> 01:06:37,743 for opening up, for letting us catch up with you. We just-- 1411 01:06:37,827 --> 01:06:40,913 Nick and I truly appreciate it. And I know the viewers at home do as well. 1412 01:06:40,997 --> 01:06:43,499 Yeah, this has certainly been a season to remember. 1413 01:06:43,582 --> 01:06:45,751 What a journey you guys have all been on, 1414 01:06:45,835 --> 01:06:48,170 and we really appreciate you sharing it all with us. 1415 01:06:48,254 --> 01:06:49,672 Uh, and to Lydia and Milton, 1416 01:06:49,755 --> 01:06:52,550 here's to proving that love truly wins in the end. 1417 01:06:52,633 --> 01:06:54,927 -Congrats again, guys. -[Vanessa] Congratulations. 1418 01:06:55,011 --> 01:06:56,929 Here's to finding love and celebrating love. 1419 01:06:57,013 --> 01:06:58,681 -Take care, everyone. [kisses] -Bye. 1420 01:06:58,764 --> 01:07:00,266 [Taylor] Yes! 1421 01:07:01,058 --> 01:07:03,060 -[chattering] -[dance music playing] 1422 01:07:05,813 --> 01:07:09,442 ♪ Better be mine, be mine tonight… ♪ 1423 01:07:09,525 --> 01:07:11,235 Oh, you're so amazing. 1424 01:07:11,318 --> 01:07:13,612 [chattering] 1425 01:07:13,696 --> 01:07:15,197 ♪ Will you be mine? ♪ 1426 01:07:15,281 --> 01:07:18,743 ♪ 'Cause it feels so nice To know you're by my side… ♪ 1427 01:07:18,826 --> 01:07:20,286 [Milton] Haven't seen you in forever. 1428 01:07:21,037 --> 01:07:23,164 -You have such good taste. -[Taylor laughs] I love it. 1429 01:07:24,373 --> 01:07:26,083 Thank you. You look so nice. 1430 01:07:26,167 --> 01:07:27,793 -I love this color. -[Vanessa] Thank you. 1431 01:07:28,919 --> 01:07:31,047 -[Izzy] Thank you. -Congrats, my man.