1 00:00:06,745 --> 00:00:08,051 Up next... 2 00:00:08,095 --> 00:00:09,270 They're all veterans. 3 00:00:09,313 --> 00:00:11,098 They're all elderly. 4 00:00:11,141 --> 00:00:14,231 And they all die in strangely similar circumstances. 5 00:00:14,275 --> 00:00:16,059 We knew Dad was... 6 00:00:16,103 --> 00:00:17,104 not well. 7 00:00:17,147 --> 00:00:19,280 We just thought it was his time. 8 00:00:19,323 --> 00:00:23,110 This cluster of deaths alarms medical investigators. 9 00:00:23,153 --> 00:00:26,504 It's not only a whodunit, it's a whatdunit. 10 00:00:26,548 --> 00:00:29,290 The bodies of the dead men are exhumed. 11 00:00:29,333 --> 00:00:32,728 Can they speak from the grave to reveal what killed them? 12 00:00:32,771 --> 00:00:36,079 To this day, I still cannot put into words 13 00:00:36,123 --> 00:00:38,516 what these families endured. 14 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,259 We had to prove what happened, and who did it. 15 00:00:42,303 --> 00:00:45,349 There was nothing we weren't gonna do to ensure justice. 16 00:01:05,369 --> 00:01:09,025 Robert Kozul spent most of his life in Fairmont, West Virginia, 17 00:01:09,069 --> 00:01:11,332 a rural town about 25 miles 18 00:01:11,375 --> 00:01:14,291 from the border with Pennsylvania. 19 00:01:14,335 --> 00:01:17,120 He built a house there, and raised two boys with Shirley, 20 00:01:17,164 --> 00:01:19,340 his wife of 43 years. 21 00:01:19,383 --> 00:01:25,041 He tried to do everything that was the right way 22 00:01:25,085 --> 00:01:26,608 the first time. 23 00:01:26,651 --> 00:01:29,001 And he tried to teach those values to my brother, 24 00:01:29,045 --> 00:01:30,699 Bob, and I. 25 00:01:30,742 --> 00:01:34,268 And I think he did a good job of it. 26 00:01:34,311 --> 00:01:37,358 One place Robert Kozul learned those values 27 00:01:37,401 --> 00:01:40,491 was during his military service as a paratrooper 28 00:01:40,535 --> 00:01:43,190 with the U.S. Army's 11th airborne division 29 00:01:43,233 --> 00:01:45,192 at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. 30 00:01:45,235 --> 00:01:47,063 He was proud to be a veteran. 31 00:01:47,107 --> 00:01:51,807 He was proud of the service he did for his country. 32 00:01:51,850 --> 00:01:56,768 He loved his country more than anything. 33 00:01:56,812 --> 00:02:01,556 In January of 2018, Bob Kozul had a health scare, 34 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:03,035 and was eventually sent to 35 00:02:03,079 --> 00:02:05,037 a nearby Veterans Affairs hospital-- 36 00:02:05,081 --> 00:02:07,170 the Louis A. Johnson Medical Center 37 00:02:07,214 --> 00:02:09,346 in Clarksburg, West Virginia. 38 00:02:09,390 --> 00:02:10,826 It's a very busy hospital. 39 00:02:10,869 --> 00:02:13,568 I know folks come from Northern West Virginia, 40 00:02:13,611 --> 00:02:16,005 from all over, to go there. 41 00:02:16,048 --> 00:02:20,096 Because a lot of the folks that live around here are veterans, 42 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:23,360 particularly the older folks. 43 00:02:23,404 --> 00:02:26,581 He had been going for all of his visits 44 00:02:26,624 --> 00:02:30,367 and his doctoring on a regular basis up there. 45 00:02:30,411 --> 00:02:34,328 So, we had no problem taking him to the VA. 46 00:02:34,371 --> 00:02:38,245 Initial testing indicated Bob suffered a minor stroke. 47 00:02:38,288 --> 00:02:41,117 It wasn't life-threatening, but doctors had him stay 48 00:02:41,161 --> 00:02:43,598 at the hospital overnight for observation. 49 00:02:43,641 --> 00:02:47,254 So, we all went home, and we felt that 50 00:02:47,297 --> 00:02:50,126 he was going to be safe, and well taken care of. 51 00:02:53,695 --> 00:02:56,480 The next day, Bob's family went to check on him, 52 00:02:56,524 --> 00:02:59,875 and found him disoriented, and unable to speak. 53 00:02:59,918 --> 00:03:01,355 Something was wrong. 54 00:03:01,398 --> 00:03:03,705 His sugar was low, and they just didn't know why. 55 00:03:03,748 --> 00:03:06,229 But they were just giving him some sugar, 56 00:03:06,273 --> 00:03:08,318 and trying to get it to come back up, 57 00:03:08,362 --> 00:03:11,365 and he should be okay once they got it up. 58 00:03:11,408 --> 00:03:12,888 But that didn't happen. 59 00:03:12,931 --> 00:03:14,455 Bob Kozul died. 60 00:03:14,498 --> 00:03:18,154 And, at first, doctors weren't sure what killed him. 61 00:03:18,198 --> 00:03:20,417 He was 89 years old. 62 00:03:20,461 --> 00:03:22,245 There was a lot of questions, at that point, 63 00:03:22,289 --> 00:03:25,466 and we didn't have any answers. 64 00:03:28,382 --> 00:03:32,473 Two other elderly veterans died shortly after Bob Kozul. 65 00:03:32,516 --> 00:03:35,258 Like him, they suffered hypoglycemic shock-- 66 00:03:35,302 --> 00:03:37,652 a severe drop in blood sugar. 67 00:03:37,695 --> 00:03:40,307 These hypoglycemic deaths really started to stick out 68 00:03:40,350 --> 00:03:42,134 in the spring of 2018, when, number one, 69 00:03:42,178 --> 00:03:44,615 there was a cluster of them. 70 00:03:44,659 --> 00:03:46,661 The main cause is usually medications 71 00:03:46,704 --> 00:03:49,490 used to treat diabetes, such as insulin. 72 00:03:49,533 --> 00:03:53,363 Severe hypoglycemia in non-diabetic patients 73 00:03:53,407 --> 00:03:55,452 is extremely rare. 74 00:03:55,496 --> 00:03:59,456 In all these cases, doctors attempted to revive the patients 75 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:01,284 with a dose of dextrose-- 76 00:04:01,328 --> 00:04:04,461 essentially highly concentrated sugar. 77 00:04:04,505 --> 00:04:05,984 But it didn't work. 78 00:04:06,028 --> 00:04:09,292 Could these repeated failures be a coincidence? 79 00:04:09,336 --> 00:04:10,641 It didn't seem likely. 80 00:04:10,685 --> 00:04:15,342 These hypoglycemic events were totally abnormal, 81 00:04:15,385 --> 00:04:19,476 out of the blue, and should not have occurred. 82 00:04:22,131 --> 00:04:26,744 By the summer of 2018, a total of eight veterans died 83 00:04:26,788 --> 00:04:30,357 of causes related to hypoglycemic shock, 84 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,664 all at the same West Virginia veterans' hospital, 85 00:04:33,708 --> 00:04:36,363 which had investigators worried that these deaths 86 00:04:36,406 --> 00:04:41,933 were anything but natural, and might possibly be murder. 87 00:04:41,977 --> 00:04:45,502 It wasn't accidental. It was not based on medication. 88 00:04:45,546 --> 00:04:47,025 Something was happening here, 89 00:04:47,069 --> 00:04:48,766 and it was happening frequently enough 90 00:04:48,810 --> 00:04:50,507 that it appeared to be deliberate. 91 00:05:02,824 --> 00:05:04,391 In the summer of 2018, 92 00:05:04,434 --> 00:05:07,524 doctors at the Louis A. Johnson Veterans' Hospital 93 00:05:07,568 --> 00:05:12,399 in West Virginia were facing a cluster of unexplained deaths. 94 00:05:12,442 --> 00:05:15,271 For eight people to die of conditions connected to 95 00:05:15,315 --> 00:05:18,622 hypoglycemic shock, at the same hospital, 96 00:05:18,666 --> 00:05:21,538 inside of a year, was unprecedented, 97 00:05:21,582 --> 00:05:25,412 and needed to be explained before more people died. 98 00:05:25,455 --> 00:05:28,850 Could it be someone who is using the wrong needles? 99 00:05:28,893 --> 00:05:32,723 Could it be someone who's using the wrong type of insulin? 100 00:05:32,767 --> 00:05:35,944 Or could a medication be bad? 101 00:05:35,987 --> 00:05:38,816 The dead were Air Force veteran George Shaw, 102 00:05:38,860 --> 00:05:41,384 Army and Air Force veteran Raymond Golden, 103 00:05:41,428 --> 00:05:44,866 Navy veterans Russell Posey and Robert Edge, Sr., 104 00:05:44,909 --> 00:05:46,955 and Army veterans Archie Edgell, 105 00:05:46,998 --> 00:05:51,612 William Holloway, Robert Kozul, and Felix McDermott. 106 00:05:51,655 --> 00:05:54,266 Despite the commonality of symptoms, 107 00:05:54,310 --> 00:05:56,791 the official causes of death varied. 108 00:05:56,834 --> 00:05:59,054 The families did not request an autopsy. 109 00:05:59,097 --> 00:06:01,056 These were elderly patients. 110 00:06:01,099 --> 00:06:03,754 They all had additional medical issues. 111 00:06:03,798 --> 00:06:05,974 That's why they were in the hospital. 112 00:06:06,017 --> 00:06:08,542 Doctors, still trying to find out how 113 00:06:08,585 --> 00:06:11,588 or even if, these deaths were connected, 114 00:06:11,632 --> 00:06:15,505 and suspecting they were murders, wanted autopsies. 115 00:06:15,549 --> 00:06:18,203 The problem was, all the victims had been buried-- 116 00:06:18,247 --> 00:06:21,119 for months. 117 00:06:21,163 --> 00:06:24,819 Felix McDermott's family was among the first to be contacted. 118 00:06:24,862 --> 00:06:26,864 My sister called me, and... 119 00:06:26,908 --> 00:06:31,608 I don't think I said it, but I was thinking it-- 120 00:06:31,652 --> 00:06:33,567 "Who did he piss off?" 121 00:06:33,610 --> 00:06:35,656 I mean, sometimes, my dad does that. 122 00:06:35,699 --> 00:06:37,484 But... 123 00:06:37,527 --> 00:06:40,661 you know, it was a shock. 124 00:06:40,704 --> 00:06:42,663 And if Felix McDermott was murdered, 125 00:06:42,706 --> 00:06:46,057 his family had no doubt he'd want justice. 126 00:06:46,101 --> 00:06:48,103 And if that meant exhuming his body, 127 00:06:48,146 --> 00:06:49,844 they were sure he'd approve. 128 00:06:49,887 --> 00:06:52,324 My dad would've wanted it. 129 00:06:52,368 --> 00:06:55,937 He would want to do everything he can possibly do 130 00:06:55,980 --> 00:06:57,939 to catch this person. 131 00:06:57,982 --> 00:06:59,680 He's gonna tell them, 132 00:06:59,723 --> 00:07:02,900 "Do what you have to do to get this person." 133 00:07:02,944 --> 00:07:06,513 So, in a rare move, Felix McDermott's body 134 00:07:06,556 --> 00:07:08,515 was dug up, and sent to doctors 135 00:07:08,558 --> 00:07:11,648 from the Armed Forces medical examiner system 136 00:07:11,692 --> 00:07:15,347 at the Air Force base in Dover, Delaware. 137 00:07:15,391 --> 00:07:18,307 McDermott had not fallen in the line of duty, 138 00:07:18,350 --> 00:07:20,918 but doctors still felt a keen responsibility 139 00:07:20,962 --> 00:07:23,138 to find out how he died. 140 00:07:23,181 --> 00:07:26,837 What happens behind these walls is incredibly sacred. 141 00:07:26,881 --> 00:07:30,885 When the bodies of these veterans were brought here, 142 00:07:30,928 --> 00:07:34,671 they were treated in accordance with our protocols, 143 00:07:34,715 --> 00:07:38,545 which is utmost respect at all times. 144 00:07:38,588 --> 00:07:41,504 By the time of Felix McDermott's autopsy, 145 00:07:41,548 --> 00:07:43,680 he had been buried for six months. 146 00:07:43,724 --> 00:07:45,639 This was going to be incredibly challenging 147 00:07:45,682 --> 00:07:49,512 because there was extensive decomposition. 148 00:07:49,556 --> 00:07:54,386 We were not able to get blood samples for toxicologic analysis 149 00:07:54,430 --> 00:08:01,306 because there was not-- no suitable samples were available. 150 00:08:01,350 --> 00:08:03,395 Despite the considerable challenges 151 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:06,529 of performing an autopsy on an exhumed body, 152 00:08:06,573 --> 00:08:10,185 doctors had some good information to work with. 153 00:08:10,228 --> 00:08:12,753 They knew that McDermott and other veterans 154 00:08:12,796 --> 00:08:14,668 had been treated with dextrose 155 00:08:14,711 --> 00:08:17,540 after going into hypoglycemic shock. 156 00:08:17,584 --> 00:08:21,022 And they knew that this dextrose didn't do what it was designed 157 00:08:21,065 --> 00:08:24,591 to do-- jump-start the victims' blood sugar. 158 00:08:24,634 --> 00:08:26,157 This led to a theory 159 00:08:26,201 --> 00:08:29,204 that someone had injected the victims with so much insulin 160 00:08:29,247 --> 00:08:32,555 that their blood sugar levels could not possibly recover. 161 00:08:32,599 --> 00:08:37,342 We were looking for evidence of insulin administration. 162 00:08:37,386 --> 00:08:40,607 Another question that we had for the investigators is, 163 00:08:40,650 --> 00:08:44,611 how do you think the insulin was administered? 164 00:08:44,654 --> 00:08:46,656 In Felix McDermott's lower abdomen, 165 00:08:46,700 --> 00:08:48,615 doctors found a bruise 166 00:08:48,658 --> 00:08:51,792 caused by what was probably a needle puncture. 167 00:08:51,835 --> 00:08:53,402 This area was tested 168 00:08:53,445 --> 00:08:55,796 for the possibility of insulin injection. 169 00:08:55,839 --> 00:09:00,148 We took a section of that area, looked it under the microscope, 170 00:09:00,191 --> 00:09:01,671 and we saw features 171 00:09:01,715 --> 00:09:04,761 that were suspicious for an injection site. 172 00:09:04,805 --> 00:09:09,636 We stained it for insulin, and found out that it was positive. 173 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,855 That told me that he was injected with insulin 174 00:09:11,899 --> 00:09:13,727 at that location. 175 00:09:13,770 --> 00:09:16,643 Since Mr. McDermott was a non-diabetic 176 00:09:16,686 --> 00:09:20,168 who was never prescribed insulin in the hospital, 177 00:09:20,211 --> 00:09:22,866 that is a major red flag. 178 00:09:22,910 --> 00:09:26,261 This left these medical detectives with no doubt 179 00:09:26,304 --> 00:09:29,003 that Felix McDermott had been murdered, 180 00:09:29,046 --> 00:09:30,787 which left a lot of open questions 181 00:09:30,831 --> 00:09:33,790 about the strange deaths of his fellow veterans, 182 00:09:33,834 --> 00:09:37,794 seven of whom were also exhumed and autopsied. 183 00:09:37,838 --> 00:09:40,101 Could a serial killer be stalking the halls 184 00:09:40,144 --> 00:09:42,799 of a West Virginia veterans' hospital? 185 00:09:42,843 --> 00:09:44,845 If so, whoever it was 186 00:09:44,888 --> 00:09:47,804 had done a great job of covering the trail. 187 00:09:47,848 --> 00:09:51,460 There was no surveillance camera footage 188 00:09:51,503 --> 00:09:53,114 on the ward in the VA Medical Center. 189 00:09:53,157 --> 00:09:54,681 There were no eyewitnesses. 190 00:09:54,724 --> 00:09:55,769 There were no fingerprints. There was no DNA. 191 00:09:55,812 --> 00:09:57,509 There was no murder weapon. 192 00:10:12,133 --> 00:10:13,700 Ground zero for the investigation into the deaths 193 00:10:13,743 --> 00:10:16,137 of eight military veterans was the hospital 194 00:10:16,180 --> 00:10:17,878 where they all died-- 195 00:10:17,921 --> 00:10:19,662 the Louis A. Johnson Medical Center 196 00:10:19,706 --> 00:10:22,317 in Clarksburg, West Virginia. 197 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,582 They immediately suspect they have a serial killer 198 00:10:26,626 --> 00:10:30,542 who is going after patients in the local hospital, 199 00:10:30,586 --> 00:10:33,937 which is a terribly scary prospect. 200 00:10:33,981 --> 00:10:35,896 But who is it? 201 00:10:35,939 --> 00:10:40,683 There's over 1,200 employees at the hospital. 202 00:10:40,727 --> 00:10:43,730 Post-exhumation autopsies left no doubt 203 00:10:43,773 --> 00:10:47,168 the murder weapon was insulin. 204 00:10:47,211 --> 00:10:49,126 How could this happen? 205 00:10:49,170 --> 00:10:51,694 The answer was shocking. 206 00:10:51,738 --> 00:10:54,392 An in-house investigation revealed that insulin 207 00:10:54,436 --> 00:10:57,265 was easy for almost anyone in this hospital-- 208 00:10:57,308 --> 00:11:01,486 a staff member, a patient, or even a visitor-- 209 00:11:01,530 --> 00:11:03,184 to get their hands on. 210 00:11:03,227 --> 00:11:07,188 We discovered that insulin at the facility was not secure. 211 00:11:07,231 --> 00:11:09,277 It was out in the open. 212 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,366 It was not tracked. 213 00:11:11,409 --> 00:11:15,587 From there, the problems for investigators got even worse. 214 00:11:15,631 --> 00:11:18,895 More than a year had passed since the first victim's death. 215 00:11:18,939 --> 00:11:20,897 Whoever did this might literally have 216 00:11:20,941 --> 00:11:23,900 gotten away with multiple murders. 217 00:11:23,944 --> 00:11:27,556 It became clear very early on that it was very unlikely 218 00:11:27,599 --> 00:11:29,558 we were going to have any smoking gun. 219 00:11:29,601 --> 00:11:30,994 We weren't gonna have a murder weapon, 220 00:11:31,038 --> 00:11:34,650 or any physical evidence, for that matter. 221 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:36,173 Once you have the medical evidence, 222 00:11:36,217 --> 00:11:38,741 which is that someone gave these patients insulin, 223 00:11:38,785 --> 00:11:39,742 of course, now, you have to prove 224 00:11:39,786 --> 00:11:44,399 who gave these patients insulin. 225 00:11:44,442 --> 00:11:46,967 Among the things all the victims had in common 226 00:11:47,010 --> 00:11:49,621 was that they were treated in the same ward 227 00:11:49,665 --> 00:11:52,929 at the veterans' hospital: Ward 3A. 228 00:11:52,973 --> 00:11:55,976 And by backtracking when the symptoms 229 00:11:56,019 --> 00:11:58,239 began to appear with all the victims, 230 00:11:58,282 --> 00:12:00,937 investigators concluded the shot of insulin 231 00:12:00,981 --> 00:12:03,940 that sent them into hypoglycemic shock 232 00:12:03,984 --> 00:12:05,986 happened on the overnight shift. 233 00:12:06,029 --> 00:12:09,946 There were only four employees in the whole hospital 234 00:12:09,990 --> 00:12:11,774 who had been on shift each of the days 235 00:12:11,818 --> 00:12:16,431 that these men had experienced this hypoglycemic event. 236 00:12:16,474 --> 00:12:18,912 One of those employees was on the ward 237 00:12:18,955 --> 00:12:23,264 where these events took place, and that was Reta Mays. 238 00:12:23,307 --> 00:12:27,268 44-year-old Reta Mays was a veteran herself. 239 00:12:27,311 --> 00:12:29,226 She'd served in the National Guard, 240 00:12:29,270 --> 00:12:31,141 and had been working as a nursing assistant 241 00:12:31,185 --> 00:12:34,579 at the VA hospital since 2015. 242 00:12:34,623 --> 00:12:37,452 She was actually the 2016 recipient 243 00:12:37,495 --> 00:12:41,717 for the Nursing Award of Excellence at the facility. 244 00:12:41,761 --> 00:12:43,458 And she didn't have a criminal history. 245 00:12:43,501 --> 00:12:45,155 But a background check revealed 246 00:12:45,199 --> 00:12:49,290 some potentially disturbing information about Reta Mays. 247 00:12:49,333 --> 00:12:52,467 The investigators found that she had left her previous employment 248 00:12:52,510 --> 00:12:56,471 as a jail guard under suspicion of using excessive force 249 00:12:56,514 --> 00:12:57,951 against an inmate. 250 00:12:57,994 --> 00:12:59,604 So, that gave a little bit of a red flag 251 00:12:59,648 --> 00:13:01,824 that she could be someone who could be violent. 252 00:13:01,868 --> 00:13:05,697 Further checking revealed a home life in disarray. 253 00:13:05,741 --> 00:13:09,397 Reta's eldest son was in jail on drug charges, 254 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,226 and her husband was also behind bars. 255 00:13:12,269 --> 00:13:15,272 Reta's husband was in federal prison 256 00:13:15,316 --> 00:13:19,755 for child pornography-- possession of child pornography. 257 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:23,324 But she was standing by her husband 258 00:13:23,367 --> 00:13:25,239 while he was in federal prison. 259 00:13:25,282 --> 00:13:27,502 Detectives had more than enough evidence 260 00:13:27,545 --> 00:13:29,069 for a search warrant, 261 00:13:29,112 --> 00:13:31,506 and examined Reta's digital footprint-- 262 00:13:31,549 --> 00:13:35,249 her Web activity, text messages, and viewing habits. 263 00:13:35,292 --> 00:13:37,512 What we did find was that she had watched episodes 264 00:13:37,555 --> 00:13:39,079 of "Nurses Who Kill." 265 00:13:39,122 --> 00:13:43,083 And several of these episodes involve providing insulin 266 00:13:43,126 --> 00:13:46,042 to patients, and causing their death. 267 00:13:46,086 --> 00:13:48,915 Reta also complained to co-workers sometimes 268 00:13:48,958 --> 00:13:50,873 about patients who later died. 269 00:13:50,917 --> 00:13:53,876 The investigative team recovered messages that Reta Mays 270 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,749 would send to co-workers, in which she would complain 271 00:13:57,793 --> 00:13:59,708 about some of the victims in the case, 272 00:13:59,751 --> 00:14:03,277 or indicate that she was frustrated with them. 273 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,279 I think she said something along the lines of, 274 00:14:05,322 --> 00:14:07,020 "I'm gonna kill this patient. 275 00:14:07,063 --> 00:14:09,326 I had this other patient resting, 276 00:14:09,370 --> 00:14:14,157 and now, he's got him all riled up, and they won't settle down." 277 00:14:14,201 --> 00:14:16,943 So, ultimately, you know, something that a lot of people 278 00:14:16,986 --> 00:14:18,118 say in frustration. 279 00:14:18,161 --> 00:14:19,946 They don't necessarily mean it. 280 00:14:19,989 --> 00:14:23,123 In fact, on a couple of occasions, Reta participated 281 00:14:23,166 --> 00:14:26,082 in life-saving measures to save the patients. 282 00:14:26,126 --> 00:14:27,910 If she was a serial killer, 283 00:14:27,954 --> 00:14:31,392 there was no solid evidence to prove it. 284 00:14:43,665 --> 00:14:46,146 Investigators on the cases of eight veterans who died 285 00:14:46,189 --> 00:14:47,974 under mysterious circumstances 286 00:14:48,017 --> 00:14:50,150 at a West Virginia VA hospital 287 00:14:50,193 --> 00:14:53,153 had become convinced a nurse, Reta Mays, 288 00:14:53,196 --> 00:14:54,981 was a serial killer. 289 00:14:55,024 --> 00:14:57,592 The medical evidence was very compelling. 290 00:14:57,635 --> 00:14:59,333 But there were challenges in proving 291 00:14:59,376 --> 00:15:03,337 that Reta Mays was the person who committed these crimes. 292 00:15:03,380 --> 00:15:05,948 And that was because we didn't have surveillance 293 00:15:05,992 --> 00:15:07,819 in the hospital. 294 00:15:07,863 --> 00:15:10,953 So, really, what we were left with was a circumstantial case. 295 00:15:10,997 --> 00:15:13,347 But another piece of circumstantial evidence 296 00:15:13,390 --> 00:15:15,958 bolstered the case against Reta Mays. 297 00:15:16,002 --> 00:15:18,961 There were numerous phone calls with her husband, 298 00:15:19,005 --> 00:15:22,399 who was in prison on child pornography charges. 299 00:15:22,443 --> 00:15:24,967 As part of standard prison procedure, 300 00:15:25,011 --> 00:15:27,013 these calls were recorded. 301 00:15:55,302 --> 00:15:58,087 That night, when she did go back to work, 302 00:15:58,131 --> 00:15:59,915 and was assigned to sit with that patient, 303 00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:04,224 you saw a subsequent drop in the victim's blood sugar value. 304 00:16:04,267 --> 00:16:07,836 And ultimately, that patient died. 305 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:10,665 Because of the absence of direct evidence, 306 00:16:10,708 --> 00:16:13,233 what came next was something of a cat-and-mouse game 307 00:16:13,276 --> 00:16:15,191 between Reta and detectives. 308 00:16:15,235 --> 00:16:19,108 The one prevailing theme from Reta Mays' first interview 309 00:16:19,152 --> 00:16:20,849 was a comment she made repeatedly 310 00:16:20,892 --> 00:16:23,634 to the investigative team that things were being missed. 311 00:16:23,678 --> 00:16:27,116 However, when she was asked to expand on this, she didn't. 312 00:16:49,660 --> 00:16:53,534 In later interviews, investigators made it clear-- 313 00:16:53,577 --> 00:16:57,364 they told Reta they knew she killed those veterans. 314 00:17:10,768 --> 00:17:13,075 She was confronted with all the evidence. 315 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,121 She was asked what the prosecutors would think 316 00:17:15,164 --> 00:17:16,470 after looking at the evidence. 317 00:17:16,513 --> 00:17:20,561 She herself said, "It looks like I did this." 318 00:17:20,604 --> 00:17:24,173 She could just never bring herself to confess. 319 00:17:40,972 --> 00:17:42,148 There was one point during that interview 320 00:17:42,191 --> 00:17:44,541 where Reta sat back in the chair, 321 00:17:44,585 --> 00:17:46,282 and she looked up at the ceiling. 322 00:17:46,326 --> 00:17:48,763 And I think she really saw everything 323 00:17:48,806 --> 00:17:51,809 that the investigative team had put together, 324 00:17:51,853 --> 00:17:54,986 and that we had, at that point, connected the dots, 325 00:17:55,030 --> 00:17:58,860 and we knew her to be the one that had done this. 326 00:18:03,386 --> 00:18:06,346 Ultimately, we'll never know why Reta Mays killed 327 00:18:06,389 --> 00:18:10,132 these defenseless people, these honorable men. 328 00:18:10,176 --> 00:18:12,352 But the investigation seems to tell us 329 00:18:12,395 --> 00:18:15,181 it had to do with some hero complex, 330 00:18:15,224 --> 00:18:18,314 that she wants to be the one that found 331 00:18:18,358 --> 00:18:20,534 that these patients had low blood sugar, 332 00:18:20,577 --> 00:18:24,364 and that could participate in trying to save their lives. 333 00:18:24,407 --> 00:18:28,977 Investigators had put together a chilling case. 334 00:18:29,020 --> 00:18:31,414 For reasons Reta has never explained, 335 00:18:31,458 --> 00:18:34,809 she went on a course of pre-meditated murder. 336 00:18:34,852 --> 00:18:37,072 Alone in the room with her victims, 337 00:18:37,116 --> 00:18:38,987 she injected them with insulin 338 00:18:39,030 --> 00:18:41,946 that was readily available in the hospital. 339 00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:43,818 The resulting shock to the bodies 340 00:18:43,861 --> 00:18:46,386 of these elderly veterans was deadly. 341 00:18:46,429 --> 00:18:48,649 The medical staff trying to save them 342 00:18:48,692 --> 00:18:52,087 had no idea the person working right by their side 343 00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:54,350 was a serial killer. 344 00:18:54,394 --> 00:18:58,876 She would insinuate herself into the life-saving procedures. 345 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,228 Other times, she would sit and cry 346 00:19:02,271 --> 00:19:04,926 while she held these patients' hands. 347 00:19:06,928 --> 00:19:10,192 It was just difficult to imagine that somebody could do that, 348 00:19:10,236 --> 00:19:12,977 that somebody could walk around, and say, 349 00:19:13,021 --> 00:19:14,240 "Oh, let's... 350 00:19:14,283 --> 00:19:16,372 let's inject this one tonight." 351 00:19:16,416 --> 00:19:18,418 And "Oh, let's inject this one tomorrow night." 352 00:19:18,461 --> 00:19:20,855 It's just unimaginable. 353 00:19:20,898 --> 00:19:25,294 Some of them could've lived another 10, 15, 20 years. 354 00:19:25,338 --> 00:19:28,645 And some could've just passed the next day on their own. 355 00:19:28,689 --> 00:19:33,215 And I hope that everyone that sees this prays for all of us, 356 00:19:33,259 --> 00:19:37,219 because it is a hard thing to go through. 357 00:19:37,263 --> 00:19:40,918 In the summer of 2020, Reta Mays pled "guilty" 358 00:19:40,962 --> 00:19:42,442 to seven counts of murder, 359 00:19:42,485 --> 00:19:45,793 and one count of assault with intent to commit murder. 360 00:19:45,836 --> 00:19:50,624 She received the maximum sentence-- life behind bars. 361 00:19:50,667 --> 00:19:54,236 In the federal system, there is no such thing as parole. 362 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,936 Reta Mays will spend the rest of her life in prison. 363 00:19:58,980 --> 00:20:04,464 The judge called her "the monster that no one saw coming." 364 00:20:04,507 --> 00:20:06,596 Because of the ages of her victims, 365 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,469 and her unusual choice of murder weapon, 366 00:20:09,512 --> 00:20:12,515 Reta Mays almost got away with murder. 367 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:15,910 The problem was she that she couldn't stop killing, 368 00:20:15,953 --> 00:20:21,959 which ultimately enough evidence to expose her. 369 00:20:22,003 --> 00:20:23,700 The hospital said what happened 370 00:20:23,744 --> 00:20:27,661 doesn't represent the quality healthcare veterans deserve, 371 00:20:27,704 --> 00:20:31,317 and vowed to make changes to ensure patient safety. 372 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,057 But thanks to science, 373 00:20:33,101 --> 00:20:36,409 and investigators' determination to get to the truth, 374 00:20:36,452 --> 00:20:38,062 the questions about these deaths, 375 00:20:38,106 --> 00:20:40,108 and who was responsible, 376 00:20:40,151 --> 00:20:43,459 have been laid to rest along with the victims. 377 00:20:43,503 --> 00:20:47,333 These people were honorable men who served our country. 378 00:20:47,376 --> 00:20:50,466 They were fathers. They were brothers. 379 00:20:50,510 --> 00:20:51,859 They were grandfathers. 380 00:20:51,902 --> 00:20:53,295 They were even great-grandfathers. 381 00:20:53,339 --> 00:20:55,341 And so, I refuse to focus on Reta Mays, 382 00:20:55,384 --> 00:20:56,864 and what I think of her. 383 00:20:56,907 --> 00:21:00,346 I focus on these victims that we brought justice to.