1 00:00:01,962 --> 00:00:03,505 Jason c: Think of your worst day 2 00:00:03,964 --> 00:00:05,340 and take it times a million. 3 00:00:06,132 --> 00:00:10,679 Danita: To think that somebody would accuse me of wanting to hurt my son, 4 00:00:10,845 --> 00:00:12,180 and it just kills me. 5 00:00:19,145 --> 00:00:20,456 Brandon: I should have took the deal, 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,066 mom, we agreed that at the immunity hearing 7 00:00:23,191 --> 00:00:25,026 if it went well, I'd take the deal. 8 00:00:25,151 --> 00:00:27,445 It looks like I can't take it now, just like... 9 00:00:28,363 --> 00:00:29,632 Angel: Never gonna see my kids again, 10 00:00:29,656 --> 00:00:32,158 (crying) I just wanna go, just let me go. 11 00:00:33,410 --> 00:00:35,996 The end's coming, but not certain of what the end is. 12 00:00:37,122 --> 00:00:42,085 Jason b: This is the most terrifying thing anybody could ever go through. 13 00:00:48,300 --> 00:00:49,801 Jason c: It's never gonna end until 14 00:00:49,884 --> 00:00:54,431 law enforcement decides to investigate the correct people. 15 00:00:56,808 --> 00:00:59,352 I don't wanna grow old in prison. 16 00:01:00,312 --> 00:01:05,108 He doesn't have the ability to forget this accident, no matter how long he lives 17 00:01:09,738 --> 00:01:14,868 I really believe there's been a terrible mistake by the jury here. 18 00:01:16,077 --> 00:01:21,207 This is someone who did the right thing and faced a very serious punishment for it. 19 00:01:21,916 --> 00:01:25,211 Bryan: Prison is absolutely horrifying, if you're not scared, 20 00:01:25,378 --> 00:01:28,715 you're either crazy or you wanna die. 21 00:01:29,758 --> 00:01:31,259 It felt like witnessing death. 22 00:01:44,981 --> 00:01:48,026 Jason c: When I'm creeping across the field, planting, 23 00:01:48,193 --> 00:01:50,445 you know, you start to just think about things, 24 00:01:51,613 --> 00:01:54,699 what's happened in the past, the criminal trial, 25 00:01:55,325 --> 00:01:58,244 the people who are still walking around who shot my mom. 26 00:02:02,248 --> 00:02:04,209 (Phone ringing) 27 00:02:06,169 --> 00:02:07,712 (Operator speaking) 28 00:02:12,676 --> 00:02:14,636 (Jason c speaking) 29 00:02:39,744 --> 00:02:41,246 I listened to 30 00:02:42,580 --> 00:02:45,625 Jason Carter's 911 call to the Marion county sheriff's office 31 00:02:45,750 --> 00:02:48,878 and right away that set bells off. 32 00:02:55,135 --> 00:02:56,386 (Police interviewer speaking) 33 00:03:13,862 --> 00:03:18,199 Newscaster: Jason Carter's gone from the 911 caller who reported the woman's murder. 34 00:03:18,783 --> 00:03:21,578 To the suspect criminally charged with murder. 35 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,380 Jason c: I'm being accused of murdering my mom. 36 00:03:32,547 --> 00:03:37,594 By my dad, my sister and my brother. 37 00:03:44,058 --> 00:03:45,185 We're scared. 38 00:03:45,351 --> 00:03:47,061 Christine: Mm. I get that. 39 00:03:47,562 --> 00:03:49,898 We have two kids that he has to go home to. 40 00:03:59,783 --> 00:04:03,119 Alison: They found a box full of 90 disks 41 00:04:04,329 --> 00:04:08,291 um, that were labelled blank but weren't blank or labelled as something that they weren't. 42 00:04:08,416 --> 00:04:11,461 Absolutely UN-freaking believable. 43 00:04:18,343 --> 00:04:19,511 (Police interviewer speaking) 44 00:04:22,138 --> 00:04:23,223 (Charity speaking) 45 00:04:28,228 --> 00:04:29,646 Holy moly. 46 00:04:52,961 --> 00:04:56,673 Judge: Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 47 00:05:02,554 --> 00:05:07,517 This was a case built against Jason Carter 48 00:05:08,226 --> 00:05:10,603 instead of a case trying to solve 49 00:05:10,728 --> 00:05:12,981 a crime and look at all the clues. 50 00:05:19,821 --> 00:05:22,198 There are only two people who know what happened that day. 51 00:05:22,365 --> 00:05:25,410 One of them's dead and the other one's sitting in that chair. 52 00:05:25,702 --> 00:05:27,453 Find him guilty as charged. 53 00:05:38,673 --> 00:05:41,009 Ladies and gentlemen, have you reached a verdict? 54 00:05:41,259 --> 00:05:42,302 Foreperson: Yes, we have. 55 00:05:45,263 --> 00:05:47,724 Judge: "We, the jury, find Jason Carter... 56 00:05:49,392 --> 00:05:50,602 "Not guilty." 57 00:05:52,395 --> 00:05:54,480 (Sighing) 58 00:05:57,275 --> 00:05:58,359 (Gasps) 59 00:05:59,277 --> 00:06:03,031 Let's go home. Yeah. Going home. 60 00:06:07,911 --> 00:06:11,831 Jason: After the trial, my immediate family, my wife and our kids, 61 00:06:11,915 --> 00:06:13,958 we're trying like hell to move on. 62 00:06:14,083 --> 00:06:15,376 Um... but, man! 63 00:06:15,543 --> 00:06:17,545 If it isn't an uphill battle! 64 00:06:25,511 --> 00:06:30,141 I mean, after my mom was gone, everything changed. Everything changed. 65 00:06:31,100 --> 00:06:32,727 Things are never gonna be the same. 66 00:06:33,144 --> 00:06:36,147 And we're just having to move on 67 00:06:36,272 --> 00:06:38,858 and go a different path in life. 68 00:06:43,863 --> 00:06:46,658 Jason's family was a huge part of our lives. 69 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,369 And it's indescribable 70 00:06:49,535 --> 00:06:52,538 that these people you love so very much, 71 00:06:52,872 --> 00:06:55,416 you know, one's been taken from us. 72 00:06:57,293 --> 00:06:58,836 But all the others are gone as well. 73 00:07:01,464 --> 00:07:04,300 Shelly: We're always redefining our new normal and... 74 00:07:05,551 --> 00:07:09,389 Life's busy. You try to provide for your family, but we do have 75 00:07:09,806 --> 00:07:12,600 some added things that make things different 76 00:07:13,059 --> 00:07:16,062 and a lot of that's to do with, you know, our legal battles. 77 00:07:20,733 --> 00:07:22,893 Alison: I have never worked on a case like this before, 78 00:07:22,986 --> 00:07:25,488 especially one where the more I worked with my client, 79 00:07:25,613 --> 00:07:27,573 the more I became convinced of his innocence. 80 00:07:33,079 --> 00:07:35,239 Alison: So typically, when you're acquitted of a crime, 81 00:07:35,581 --> 00:07:37,542 it's a huge relief on every single front, right? 82 00:07:37,667 --> 00:07:39,507 It's over, you're free, been declared innocent. 83 00:07:40,003 --> 00:07:41,647 In Jason's case, it's a little bit different 84 00:07:41,671 --> 00:07:43,339 because before his criminal trial, 85 00:07:43,464 --> 00:07:45,049 before he was ever charged with murder, 86 00:07:45,717 --> 00:07:46,801 there was a civil trial 87 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,096 brought by bill Carter, that's Jason's father. 88 00:07:51,556 --> 00:07:54,851 Bill's motivation here is somewhat hard to understand. 89 00:07:55,309 --> 00:07:56,309 What we know is this, 90 00:07:57,186 --> 00:07:59,105 on the day that Shirley Carter was murdered, 91 00:07:59,897 --> 00:08:02,567 bill Carter and the rest of his family were adamant 92 00:08:02,900 --> 00:08:04,694 that Jason could not have done this. 93 00:08:05,403 --> 00:08:07,238 And we also know because we have a recording, 94 00:08:07,405 --> 00:08:09,949 that agent ludwick, who was in charge of this investigation, 95 00:08:10,074 --> 00:08:13,119 meets with Jason's sister and does an interview with her. 96 00:08:13,911 --> 00:08:15,371 In the course of this interview, 97 00:08:15,538 --> 00:08:20,043 he strongly implies that Jason planted evidence at the crime scene. 98 00:08:20,460 --> 00:08:22,170 That is when everything switched 99 00:08:23,087 --> 00:08:25,882 so, bill Carter brings a civil wrongful death lawsuit. 100 00:08:26,841 --> 00:08:29,343 Which is basically him suing Jason 101 00:08:29,719 --> 00:08:33,097 to get money for the death of his wife. 102 00:08:34,348 --> 00:08:37,518 Well finally law enforcement admits he didn't plant evidence, 103 00:08:37,602 --> 00:08:40,021 we know that was there before. 104 00:08:42,190 --> 00:08:47,028 But the judgment that bill Carter won against Jason was for $10 million. 105 00:08:55,995 --> 00:08:57,705 Alison: Very recently, we did arguments 106 00:08:57,789 --> 00:08:59,665 in front of the Iowa supreme court. 107 00:08:59,749 --> 00:09:01,876 Essentially what we were arguing was that 108 00:09:02,043 --> 00:09:04,128 all of this evidence that we got in the criminal case 109 00:09:04,212 --> 00:09:07,673 that was brand new to us that we hadn't been able to use in the civil case, 110 00:09:08,091 --> 00:09:09,801 that we should be getting a new trial 111 00:09:10,176 --> 00:09:11,987 for the civil case where we can get to use that evidence. 112 00:09:12,011 --> 00:09:13,331 We would think that would be fair. 113 00:09:24,482 --> 00:09:27,527 $10 million judgement means that Jason 114 00:09:28,027 --> 00:09:31,030 is constantly under bill Carter's thumb for the rest of his life. 115 00:09:31,114 --> 00:09:33,234 I mean, that obviously affects Jason in a lot of ways, 116 00:09:33,282 --> 00:09:34,826 he's got a son in college, 117 00:09:34,951 --> 00:09:37,912 he's got a daughter in school right now. And will eventually go to college. 118 00:09:38,079 --> 00:09:40,479 It's important that they be able to provide for their family. 119 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,750 But a $10 million judgement means that 120 00:09:42,917 --> 00:09:44,961 Jason can never really relax. 121 00:09:45,586 --> 00:09:48,923 Um, he's always got bill Carter breathing down his neck. 122 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:56,139 Jason: There is no way in hell 123 00:09:56,556 --> 00:09:59,851 I will ever reconcile with my dad. 124 00:10:00,351 --> 00:10:02,937 Never. Not a chance. 125 00:10:03,479 --> 00:10:06,524 That man has tried his damnedest 126 00:10:07,108 --> 00:10:10,361 to tear my family to shreds. 127 00:10:12,822 --> 00:10:16,242 He's done everything possible to try and ruin us. 128 00:10:17,910 --> 00:10:22,248 I don't even want to know when he passes away. I have no... 129 00:10:24,333 --> 00:10:27,670 It's just, you know, oh... 130 00:10:33,759 --> 00:10:36,846 Jason: We meet each other on the road sometimes, 131 00:10:37,471 --> 00:10:40,349 sometimes see each other across the field, I'm sure. 132 00:10:41,392 --> 00:10:42,392 Um... 133 00:10:47,231 --> 00:10:51,027 No, I don't want nothing to do with him ever again. 134 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,531 I'm sure my mom's probably looking down on me right now today going, 135 00:10:56,449 --> 00:10:58,367 "(bleep) Damn it, Jay." 136 00:10:59,744 --> 00:11:01,537 And sorry, mom, but... 137 00:11:03,915 --> 00:11:07,543 Um, he's went way too far, you know. 138 00:11:08,878 --> 00:11:11,923 You can't undo what you've brought upon... 139 00:11:13,341 --> 00:11:17,011 Myself, my wife and my kids. Can't undo that. 140 00:11:20,181 --> 00:11:22,141 Shelley: It's just so surreal, 141 00:11:23,726 --> 00:11:27,438 you know, my father in law wants to take everything that we have, and... 142 00:11:28,856 --> 00:11:32,443 Which I... I just can't even wrap my head around. 143 00:11:34,028 --> 00:11:35,529 I mean that's not the man I knew. 144 00:11:38,241 --> 00:11:42,036 Bill even has his name on our mortgage and we just found that out. 145 00:11:42,828 --> 00:11:44,789 And so now we're fighting to get that removed. 146 00:11:45,289 --> 00:11:47,541 We're six years in and we're still fighting 147 00:11:50,294 --> 00:11:51,294 yeah. 148 00:11:56,509 --> 00:11:58,678 Automated voice: Hello. You have a prepaid call 149 00:11:58,761 --> 00:12:02,848 from an inmate at hardeman county correctional center... 150 00:12:04,392 --> 00:12:06,352 (Bryan speaking) 151 00:12:27,123 --> 00:12:29,163 Bryan: I wish I would have done something different. 152 00:12:29,709 --> 00:12:32,086 It just spiraled out of control. 153 00:12:44,515 --> 00:12:46,493 Female newscaster: Churchill police say a home surveillance system, 154 00:12:46,517 --> 00:12:48,644 recorded Lawson shooting his wife. 155 00:12:48,728 --> 00:12:50,479 Investigators said that video also 156 00:12:50,563 --> 00:12:53,524 showed the pair in an argument before the shooting. 157 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,003 Bryan: When she went into these fits of violence. 158 00:12:56,027 --> 00:12:57,320 Anything was possible. 159 00:12:58,738 --> 00:13:00,531 She was very dangerous. 160 00:13:03,242 --> 00:13:05,703 I'd been with her almost 10 years, at this point. 161 00:13:05,911 --> 00:13:06,996 And she... 162 00:13:07,121 --> 00:13:09,665 Abused, abused and abused on me. 163 00:13:10,082 --> 00:13:11,584 And... and I took it, 164 00:13:11,709 --> 00:13:13,461 because there was no controlling her. 165 00:13:21,010 --> 00:13:24,347 Bryan: Up to this point, she's been nothing but tell me, how she's gonna kill me, 166 00:13:24,889 --> 00:13:26,098 so, 167 00:13:26,557 --> 00:13:30,227 for my own son's safety I retrieved a pistol from behind the couch. 168 00:13:31,645 --> 00:13:33,564 Bryan: I didn't arm myself at the beginning. 169 00:13:33,814 --> 00:13:35,316 I armed myself, 170 00:13:36,150 --> 00:13:38,486 when she convinced me, she was aiming to do him harm. 171 00:13:40,613 --> 00:13:41,613 Points at me, 172 00:13:42,073 --> 00:13:43,407 "everybody's gonna die". 173 00:13:44,408 --> 00:13:46,208 Larry: Is that what she says? Bryan: Yes, yes. 174 00:13:46,410 --> 00:13:47,410 Right now. 175 00:13:48,329 --> 00:13:50,539 I wasn't gonna risk his life. He's too precious. 176 00:13:52,792 --> 00:13:53,918 I couldn't take that chance. 177 00:13:59,465 --> 00:14:00,465 (Multiple gunshots) 178 00:14:02,301 --> 00:14:03,302 (Feedback) 179 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,652 Bryan: There's nothing in this world that compares 180 00:14:20,111 --> 00:14:21,529 to having to take a life. 181 00:14:22,613 --> 00:14:23,613 Nothing. 182 00:14:30,913 --> 00:14:34,417 We were approached by the da's office about trying to make a deal. 183 00:14:35,418 --> 00:14:37,837 Instead of considering you a standard offender, 184 00:14:38,003 --> 00:14:40,005 they're gonna consider you a mitigated offender. 185 00:14:41,006 --> 00:14:42,886 That just means, you serve 20% of your sentence. 186 00:14:43,426 --> 00:14:44,426 Meaning 15 years, 187 00:14:44,885 --> 00:14:46,512 20%, so you'd serve, 188 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:47,847 roughly 3 years. 189 00:14:48,013 --> 00:14:49,640 And then, you're eligible for parole. 190 00:14:49,765 --> 00:14:52,143 Okay. It doesn't mean you're automatically released, 191 00:14:52,935 --> 00:14:55,255 - it means you get your parole hearing. Okay. - Bryan: Okay. 192 00:14:55,771 --> 00:14:58,732 The end's coming, but not certain on what the end is. 193 00:15:13,914 --> 00:15:16,500 Bryan: Chandra's family wanted to see me serve some time. 194 00:15:17,084 --> 00:15:18,919 Reason to do the things they asked, 195 00:15:19,628 --> 00:15:21,068 because they have control of Braydon. 196 00:15:21,755 --> 00:15:23,674 Right now, he's between my mother Evelyn, 197 00:15:24,216 --> 00:15:25,468 and chandra's mother. 198 00:15:26,051 --> 00:15:27,261 If I take the plea, 199 00:15:27,386 --> 00:15:29,180 I know they'll still let Braydon, 200 00:15:29,597 --> 00:15:30,764 be a part of her life. 201 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,061 Judge: All rise. 202 00:15:37,062 --> 00:15:39,690 State of Tennessee versus Bryan Steven Lawson. 203 00:15:45,905 --> 00:15:47,865 Your honor, account 1 will be amended, 204 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:49,742 to voluntary manslaughter. 205 00:15:50,493 --> 00:15:52,554 Is this your signature on this waive of rights to plead guilty? 206 00:15:52,578 --> 00:15:55,182 - Bryan: It is, your honor. - You understand that by pleading guilty, 207 00:15:55,206 --> 00:15:56,248 this is the only trial, 208 00:15:56,957 --> 00:15:59,227 the only hearing you'll ever have on these charges, there'll be no opportunity 209 00:15:59,251 --> 00:16:00,836 for you after today, 210 00:16:01,670 --> 00:16:04,024 to present evidence of your innocence, or to plead not guilty. 211 00:16:04,048 --> 00:16:05,216 I do. 212 00:16:06,258 --> 00:16:08,802 I find you guilty, of involuntary manslaughter. 213 00:16:09,303 --> 00:16:12,348 Sentence you to serve 15 years, which means, you're now a convicted felon. 214 00:16:12,848 --> 00:16:15,168 You'll be in custody. You'll go over here, with the sheriff. 215 00:16:42,962 --> 00:16:44,713 Evelyn: Bryan as a child, 216 00:16:45,631 --> 00:16:46,674 was very quiet. 217 00:16:47,174 --> 00:16:48,467 No problems, no trouble. 218 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,178 In fact, 219 00:16:51,262 --> 00:16:54,223 most people can't believe that he would... Even his cousins would say, 220 00:16:55,599 --> 00:16:56,600 "he done what"? 221 00:16:58,644 --> 00:16:59,644 It's just hard. 222 00:17:00,145 --> 00:17:01,188 It's just hard. 223 00:17:01,689 --> 00:17:02,689 All the way around. 224 00:17:05,192 --> 00:17:07,027 Nicky: He kind of stayed in the background. 225 00:17:07,111 --> 00:17:09,548 I was always the loud one that wanted to be up, front and center. 226 00:17:09,572 --> 00:17:11,052 And, he didn't like a lot of conflict. 227 00:17:11,156 --> 00:17:13,236 He... he didn't like a lot of screaming. He never did. 228 00:17:13,742 --> 00:17:15,222 He... he always was the one who was... 229 00:17:15,744 --> 00:17:18,038 Trying to make everything better, 230 00:17:18,122 --> 00:17:20,165 and, um, always be the peacemaker. 231 00:17:21,542 --> 00:17:23,711 I would have never in a million years 232 00:17:24,003 --> 00:17:25,283 thought my brother could ever... 233 00:17:26,714 --> 00:17:27,715 Do anything... 234 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:28,840 Like what happened. 235 00:17:42,605 --> 00:17:44,189 (Bryan speaking) 236 00:18:36,325 --> 00:18:37,785 (Cell phone chiming) 237 00:18:39,411 --> 00:18:40,996 (Automated voice speaking) 238 00:18:47,211 --> 00:18:50,506 Bryan will call, often. And... and ask my mom to send money. 239 00:18:50,631 --> 00:18:52,675 Sometimes... sometimes multiple times a day. 240 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,468 Sometimes, multiple times in a week. 241 00:18:55,219 --> 00:18:59,765 It does concern me when he calls like that and needs money. 242 00:18:59,890 --> 00:19:01,892 And he feels like he can't wait and it's like, 243 00:19:02,017 --> 00:19:03,769 "I want it now". And that always, 244 00:19:04,603 --> 00:19:07,731 makes me wonder, what's going on, and... and if he's safe. 245 00:19:11,652 --> 00:19:13,332 Automated voice: This call will be recorded 246 00:19:13,404 --> 00:19:14,884 and subject to monitoring at any time. 247 00:19:15,364 --> 00:19:16,824 You may begin speaking now. 248 00:19:17,533 --> 00:19:18,534 How are you doing? 249 00:19:19,118 --> 00:19:20,285 (Bryan speaking) 250 00:19:22,746 --> 00:19:23,746 Mom's at home. 251 00:19:23,956 --> 00:19:25,082 (Bryan speaking) 252 00:19:25,207 --> 00:19:26,727 Did she tell you to send some cash out? 253 00:19:27,167 --> 00:19:30,007 Well, I know, but she's not told me anything about sending you any money. 254 00:19:30,838 --> 00:19:31,838 (Bryan speaking) 255 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:35,884 Can... can you speak freely right now? Or... 256 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,263 - It's not a good... - (Bryan speaking) 257 00:19:40,264 --> 00:19:41,664 - Okay. - (Bryan continues speaking) 258 00:19:44,893 --> 00:19:45,893 Okay. 259 00:19:51,567 --> 00:19:53,694 So it's... It's concerning to me that, 260 00:19:54,278 --> 00:19:56,405 why he needs that much money or, 261 00:19:56,905 --> 00:19:58,741 you know, what he's... 262 00:19:59,491 --> 00:20:01,034 He's having to do. 263 00:20:01,618 --> 00:20:03,746 And, who's putting pressure on him to get that money. 264 00:20:04,413 --> 00:20:08,333 I can't imagine that he's spending that much money on food and commissary. 265 00:20:16,091 --> 00:20:17,968 Evelyn: Since Bryan has been in prison, 266 00:20:18,385 --> 00:20:19,845 it's been a daily struggle 267 00:20:20,387 --> 00:20:21,972 not knowing what's happening there. 268 00:20:23,182 --> 00:20:24,516 What he's going through. 269 00:20:25,559 --> 00:20:29,188 Nicky: All the... the torment and the horrible things 270 00:20:29,313 --> 00:20:30,793 that he's had to go through in prison, 271 00:20:31,398 --> 00:20:33,958 I don't think my brother ever deserved to be put in that position. 272 00:20:34,276 --> 00:20:35,986 Somebody had pulled a knife on him. 273 00:20:36,570 --> 00:20:38,673 Basically, told him that if he didn't do certain things, 274 00:20:38,697 --> 00:20:40,491 and get a certain amount of money, 275 00:20:40,991 --> 00:20:42,886 get my mom to send a certain amount of money, by a certain time, 276 00:20:42,910 --> 00:20:45,496 that he would go out of there in a body bag. 277 00:20:53,462 --> 00:20:54,880 I feel like I'm a good person. 278 00:20:55,005 --> 00:20:59,968 So I don't feel like I've done anything, like, to be punished for. 279 00:21:08,602 --> 00:21:10,145 (Operator speaking) 280 00:21:11,230 --> 00:21:12,230 (Angel speaking) 281 00:21:14,608 --> 00:21:15,651 (Operator speaking) 282 00:21:16,235 --> 00:21:17,235 (Angel speaking) 283 00:21:27,412 --> 00:21:28,747 Newscaster: His home was ransacked 284 00:21:28,914 --> 00:21:32,167 and bonner had duct tape over his mouth and nose, 285 00:21:32,251 --> 00:21:33,794 which caused him to suffocate. 286 00:22:08,036 --> 00:22:10,080 Andrea: Angel was 13 years old at the time 287 00:22:10,205 --> 00:22:13,667 and I think that's obviously what stuck out, she was a child. 288 00:22:21,592 --> 00:22:24,011 My question is if you're looking at this picture 289 00:22:24,136 --> 00:22:27,264 can you swear under oath that this is not anything that you witnessed? 290 00:22:28,265 --> 00:22:31,476 I can, like I've never seen that place before. 291 00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:44,031 I saw cookie about once or twice a week. 292 00:22:44,156 --> 00:22:46,450 I was thinking that tape might have come from here 293 00:22:46,575 --> 00:22:48,243 'cause I used to pick stuff up like that. 294 00:22:51,330 --> 00:22:54,207 Andrea: He told me angel often spent time in the garage, 295 00:22:54,333 --> 00:22:58,837 so it's plausible angel had touched duct tape at their workshop. 296 00:22:59,129 --> 00:23:01,089 There were only two options. 297 00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:03,967 She was going to jail for the rest of her life or she was going home. 298 00:23:07,638 --> 00:23:11,892 That is a piece of duct tape from exhibit 14a, 299 00:23:12,517 --> 00:23:15,604 where I developed an identifiable print. 300 00:23:15,979 --> 00:23:17,397 Man: And who was that a match to? 301 00:23:18,231 --> 00:23:20,108 Woman: That was a match to angel bumpass. 302 00:23:22,694 --> 00:23:24,988 Man: And you said that both these prints 303 00:23:25,113 --> 00:23:27,741 were on the adhesive side of the tape? Is that correct? 304 00:23:27,866 --> 00:23:29,201 Woman: Yes, that's correct. 305 00:23:29,326 --> 00:23:32,079 Garth: I was able to hear a little bit of a moan in the room 306 00:23:32,204 --> 00:23:36,124 when the jury heard that it was the sticky side of the duct tape. 307 00:23:36,249 --> 00:23:39,336 I think it kind of registered in their heads, that hey, 308 00:23:39,419 --> 00:23:43,966 she might have had to be there for her print to be on the sticky side. 309 00:23:44,091 --> 00:23:47,803 She didn't get her fingerprint on the tape by playing with it. 310 00:23:49,137 --> 00:23:51,807 She was helping her buddy valery Barnes commit a robbery. 311 00:23:52,349 --> 00:23:55,602 Convict both these individuals of these crimes, 312 00:23:56,436 --> 00:23:59,398 first degree murder and especially aggravated robbery. 313 00:24:00,065 --> 00:24:02,359 This has been the worst year of my life, 314 00:24:02,442 --> 00:24:06,488 I have to sit in court with people who I've never met, 315 00:24:06,613 --> 00:24:10,659 about victims that I've never met, like, how? 316 00:24:19,376 --> 00:24:22,004 Andrea: The only potential evidence that you've heard 317 00:24:22,129 --> 00:24:24,172 against angel bumpass is in this case, 318 00:24:24,297 --> 00:24:27,759 are two fingerprints on a piece of duct tape. 319 00:24:28,927 --> 00:24:32,389 A mobile object that could've come from anywhere, 320 00:24:32,514 --> 00:24:34,224 and could've gone anywhere. 321 00:24:34,725 --> 00:24:37,019 If this duct tape ends up somewhere 322 00:24:37,102 --> 00:24:39,896 and is used in the perpetuation of a crime, 323 00:24:40,022 --> 00:24:42,607 am I considered to have been at that crime scene? 324 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:49,031 I did not believe the state had enough evidence against angel, 325 00:24:49,114 --> 00:24:52,701 there were just so many questions. 326 00:24:58,457 --> 00:24:59,457 (Man speaking) 327 00:25:04,713 --> 00:25:06,006 (Woman speaking) 328 00:25:14,431 --> 00:25:15,807 It felt like witnessing death. 329 00:25:16,975 --> 00:25:19,061 I just wanna go, I'm never gonna see my kids again, 330 00:25:19,186 --> 00:25:23,023 I just wanna go. Just let me go. (Crying) 331 00:25:24,232 --> 00:25:25,232 (Man speaking) 332 00:25:46,213 --> 00:25:48,840 I don't wanna grow old in prison 333 00:25:49,007 --> 00:25:52,302 cause I've never done anything, so that's what's scary. 334 00:26:04,898 --> 00:26:08,026 Dana, would you make sure to gather that bumpass file? 335 00:26:08,151 --> 00:26:09,151 Yes, sir. 336 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,078 My name is William Dennis massey. 337 00:26:18,745 --> 00:26:21,832 And I practice law in Memphis, Tennessee. 338 00:26:24,126 --> 00:26:27,254 I'm gonna ask the judge to dismiss this case 339 00:26:27,379 --> 00:26:30,173 based upon insufficient evidence presented at trial. 340 00:26:32,425 --> 00:26:33,677 That's our goal. 341 00:26:34,803 --> 00:26:37,931 We want to send angel home to her children. 342 00:27:16,386 --> 00:27:19,222 Jason: If you didn't do it you shouldn't have to worry about it, 343 00:27:19,389 --> 00:27:25,312 and uh, I just felt you know, at times, it's just so hard, 344 00:27:25,437 --> 00:27:31,526 'cause you've got so many different people in different positions, 345 00:27:31,651 --> 00:27:34,196 that are basically gunning for you. 346 00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:35,655 They've pointed the finger at you, 347 00:27:35,780 --> 00:27:37,365 they feel you've done this 348 00:27:37,490 --> 00:27:42,037 and they're gonna stop at nothing to make sure that you pay for this crime. 349 00:27:43,914 --> 00:27:45,957 Once the finger's pointed at you, god help ya, 350 00:27:46,082 --> 00:27:49,085 'cause they don't let up, one iota. 351 00:27:50,503 --> 00:27:55,800 It's very frustrating, you know things should be made right, 352 00:27:55,884 --> 00:28:00,263 it's just you've gotta figure out how. 353 00:28:10,565 --> 00:28:15,153 I truly believe, that if the evidence we had at the time of the criminal case 354 00:28:15,237 --> 00:28:18,531 had been available to us at the civil case, we would have won. 355 00:28:19,908 --> 00:28:22,702 You know, I interviewed all the jurors from Jason's criminal case. 356 00:28:22,827 --> 00:28:25,455 I probably spent about ten hours on the phone with them 357 00:28:25,580 --> 00:28:28,375 it's something you can do on the conclusion of a trial. 358 00:28:28,541 --> 00:28:32,712 And what I learned turned out to be extremely powerful. 359 00:28:32,837 --> 00:28:38,176 We keep up on the case, there's a few jurors that I speak to pretty regularly 360 00:28:38,301 --> 00:28:42,347 and when we come across any type of information 361 00:28:42,472 --> 00:28:46,142 like when he took it to the supreme court, we did watch that stuff, 362 00:28:46,226 --> 00:28:50,689 and you become invested more than you ever think you would. 363 00:28:50,814 --> 00:28:52,691 - So how you guys been? - Both: Good. 364 00:28:52,774 --> 00:28:56,611 Yeah? It's been like, what, a year since we saw each other? 365 00:28:56,736 --> 00:28:58,697 - Yeah. - Yeah. Before covid. 366 00:28:59,406 --> 00:29:02,284 Tami: It was kind of a hard trial to set through. 367 00:29:02,409 --> 00:29:07,998 It was, like so emotional, and we became pretty close through that. 368 00:29:17,048 --> 00:29:21,386 If the jurors at the civil trial heard exactly what we heard in the murder trial 369 00:29:21,511 --> 00:29:25,015 and if the evidence was all given to the defense team like it should have been, 370 00:29:25,181 --> 00:29:27,100 I think the verdict at the civil trial 371 00:29:27,225 --> 00:29:29,161 - would've been a completely different verdict. - Right. 372 00:29:29,185 --> 00:29:30,395 - I totally agree. Yeah. - Yep. 373 00:29:38,862 --> 00:29:41,114 My name is Mark ludwick. 374 00:29:41,239 --> 00:29:44,367 It's spelled l-u-d-w-i-c-k. 375 00:29:45,118 --> 00:29:47,662 Like, ludwick, he was just really their demise. 376 00:29:47,954 --> 00:29:50,165 - Yeah. - I mean, that's the truth. 377 00:29:59,049 --> 00:30:01,426 There are multiple reports 378 00:30:01,551 --> 00:30:05,847 alleging that Joe sedlark, John followill and Joel followill 379 00:30:05,972 --> 00:30:08,141 were involved in a homicide. 380 00:30:10,060 --> 00:30:12,145 Yes, I believe we were told that. 381 00:30:14,856 --> 00:30:21,613 Are you aware of any alibi evidence for either of those three individuals? 382 00:30:25,116 --> 00:30:27,202 Regarding on June 19th... 383 00:30:27,369 --> 00:30:30,246 For the morning of June 19th, 2015. 384 00:30:30,372 --> 00:30:34,125 No, I do not know where Joe sedlark was, 385 00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:36,252 I do not know where John followill was, 386 00:30:36,378 --> 00:30:38,421 I do not know where Joel followill was. 387 00:30:41,633 --> 00:30:43,361 - Why didn't you look into those people? - Why don't you? 388 00:30:43,385 --> 00:30:44,803 I don't get why you don't. 389 00:30:44,886 --> 00:30:46,679 He sealed the deal, for everyone, I think. 390 00:30:46,763 --> 00:30:47,865 - Yeah. Oh, yeah. - Everybody. 391 00:30:47,889 --> 00:30:49,015 Where's the case at now? 392 00:30:49,099 --> 00:30:50,725 - Is it a closed case? - It is. 393 00:30:50,892 --> 00:30:54,187 Have they reopened it and tried to find who the real killer is? I don't know. 394 00:30:54,312 --> 00:30:57,107 I don't think the guy should've ever been on trial. 395 00:31:08,410 --> 00:31:12,038 I am extremely frustrated that the case is apparently considered closed 396 00:31:12,163 --> 00:31:13,706 after Jason was acquitted. 397 00:31:13,832 --> 00:31:15,750 I think it's clear the jury spoke. 398 00:31:15,917 --> 00:31:19,212 They have not found the person that's responsible for Shirley Carter's murder. 399 00:31:19,337 --> 00:31:20,617 There should be an investigation 400 00:31:20,713 --> 00:31:24,175 and it's flabbergasting to me that there hasn't been one. 401 00:31:33,852 --> 00:31:37,230 Brandon: I got scared and I punched him, just one punch. 402 00:31:51,077 --> 00:31:53,037 (Conversing) 403 00:32:11,014 --> 00:32:15,018 It was my birthday and we was all outside just talking, 404 00:32:15,101 --> 00:32:21,524 and I see Mr. Turner push New York through the screen door 405 00:32:21,649 --> 00:32:23,860 and New York ended up falling on his head on the steps. 406 00:32:23,985 --> 00:32:25,737 (Indistinct chatter) 407 00:32:28,031 --> 00:32:32,744 I wanted to help him up, and Mr. Turner is jumping in front of my face 408 00:32:32,869 --> 00:32:37,707 and was screaming and you know I got scared and I was just, threw a punch. 409 00:32:37,832 --> 00:32:39,083 He hit the ground. 410 00:32:41,294 --> 00:32:42,974 And you felt you were about to be attacked? 411 00:32:43,046 --> 00:32:47,592 Yes, the punch was to just like back him off, honestly. 412 00:33:04,859 --> 00:33:05,859 (Speaking) 413 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,875 It was a very serious case, it was a very stressful case. 414 00:33:21,459 --> 00:33:24,337 I fully believed he was completely innocent. 415 00:33:25,088 --> 00:33:27,674 I do everything I can to get the best result for my clients, 416 00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:30,009 but in this case, it kept me up at night, 417 00:33:30,134 --> 00:33:33,763 because if it went wrong, it was gonna be horribly wrong. 418 00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:40,687 I wanted to help that night, but I didn't know helping was gonna cause this. 419 00:33:41,729 --> 00:33:45,400 Now I'm thinking about prison every single day. 420 00:33:47,902 --> 00:33:50,530 Wanda: Brandon has never been in trouble before. 421 00:33:52,532 --> 00:33:54,867 I tried to hide my tears and told him, 422 00:33:55,034 --> 00:33:56,536 "oh, it's gonna be all right." 423 00:33:56,661 --> 00:34:02,166 But I don't know what's gonna happen, and not knowing is torture. 424 00:34:11,050 --> 00:34:16,055 They're offering you a plea, to assault and battery in the second degree, 425 00:34:16,180 --> 00:34:18,099 which is classified as a misdemeanor. 426 00:34:18,224 --> 00:34:20,184 If you choose to accept this plea, 427 00:34:20,351 --> 00:34:22,562 you can go home today a free man. 428 00:34:25,898 --> 00:34:31,863 Wow, the one is, I feel I can still go up and move on with my life. 429 00:34:43,541 --> 00:34:49,088 Brandon I know you're worried about what might happen with the jail time 430 00:34:49,213 --> 00:34:53,468 but I never want you to admit to something you did not do. 431 00:35:03,102 --> 00:35:07,940 It's always a very fluid process and you can always call their bluff, 432 00:35:08,066 --> 00:35:09,251 but sometimes that's a mistake, 433 00:35:09,275 --> 00:35:10,693 sometimes they withdraw the offer 434 00:35:10,818 --> 00:35:12,904 and then your client is wishing they'd took it. 435 00:35:21,663 --> 00:35:23,206 I should've took the deal. (Crying) 436 00:35:23,331 --> 00:35:28,628 I wanna go home, mom. 437 00:35:29,879 --> 00:35:34,342 Mom, I wanna go home. I'm sorry for everything. 438 00:35:34,509 --> 00:35:36,219 No. Listen, listen to me. 439 00:35:36,344 --> 00:35:38,638 I'm never ever gonna see you again. 440 00:35:38,721 --> 00:35:40,181 You'll see me. 441 00:35:40,306 --> 00:35:44,394 Steve: Jury's can be unpredictable and Brandon's future's in their hand 442 00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:47,897 and he faces a very severe penalty if we lose. 443 00:35:48,064 --> 00:35:50,733 This is what it's like to be accused of a serious crime. 444 00:35:53,945 --> 00:35:55,697 Good morning. 445 00:35:55,780 --> 00:36:00,201 The defense argued that Brandon decided to punch Mr. Turner because it was self-defense. 446 00:36:00,868 --> 00:36:03,913 It's clearly not a fair fight, it was just an assault. 447 00:36:05,081 --> 00:36:07,875 You heard the viciousness in that man's voice. 448 00:36:09,043 --> 00:36:10,878 I'm gonna (bleep) This (bleep) Up. 449 00:36:12,714 --> 00:36:15,091 Did he sound like a meek little old man? 450 00:36:15,925 --> 00:36:18,970 Brandon's meek, he's scared of Mr. Turner. 451 00:36:26,644 --> 00:36:30,314 He was open and honest, he said exactly what happened, 452 00:36:30,398 --> 00:36:35,111 I don't think there was any reason to doubt anything he told them. 453 00:36:35,945 --> 00:36:37,989 You didn't try anymore verbal things like, 454 00:36:38,114 --> 00:36:40,575 "back the hell off, old man" you just popped? 455 00:36:41,075 --> 00:36:42,075 Yes, sir. 456 00:36:49,125 --> 00:36:50,501 Man: All rise. 457 00:36:53,421 --> 00:36:57,300 Judge: Madam, you and your fellows, you've all reached a unanimous decision 458 00:36:57,383 --> 00:36:58,760 woman: Yes, judge. 459 00:36:59,886 --> 00:37:03,431 We the jury find the defendant, Brandon joyner... 460 00:37:09,771 --> 00:37:10,771 not guilty. 461 00:37:19,655 --> 00:37:22,533 Thank you so much. 462 00:37:24,076 --> 00:37:28,414 That's the scariest thing you wanna encounter in your life, I promise you. 463 00:37:38,299 --> 00:37:42,261 Steve: I have spoken with Brandon, he was going to school and working. 464 00:37:42,553 --> 00:37:44,764 You know, he's going on with his life 465 00:37:44,889 --> 00:37:48,810 and he just wants to move forward and put this behind him. 466 00:37:50,853 --> 00:37:56,067 I feel completely confident that Brandon is not going to get into any trouble again. 467 00:37:56,984 --> 00:37:59,111 This is someone who did the right thing, 468 00:37:59,737 --> 00:38:02,365 and faced a very serious punishment for it, 469 00:38:03,407 --> 00:38:07,286 and I feel confident that he's gonna go on with his productive life, 470 00:38:08,204 --> 00:38:10,998 without any more interactions with the criminal justice system. 471 00:38:59,338 --> 00:39:03,050 Woman: This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. 472 00:39:03,926 --> 00:39:05,595 - How are things going? - (Bryan speaking) 473 00:39:07,096 --> 00:39:09,140 Have they said anything to you about parole? 474 00:39:11,058 --> 00:39:13,477 Do you feel hopeful about getting out? 475 00:39:27,867 --> 00:39:29,285 Just keep up the hope. 476 00:39:29,994 --> 00:39:34,540 And remember, there's a final day sometime 477 00:39:34,665 --> 00:39:36,834 and hopefully it's very soon. Okay? 478 00:39:36,959 --> 00:39:39,170 - (Bryan speaking) - I love you, too. 479 00:39:56,562 --> 00:40:00,608 My name is Gwen ethridge and chandra is my daughter. 480 00:40:02,401 --> 00:40:03,694 She was the love of my life. 481 00:40:04,862 --> 00:40:06,238 Still was when she died. 482 00:40:07,448 --> 00:40:10,284 And I think of her everyday and I miss her everyday. 483 00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:15,247 Bryan took away a piece of me. 484 00:40:16,290 --> 00:40:17,875 He took away a mother. 485 00:40:18,793 --> 00:40:23,965 He took away somebody that was loved by a huge family. 486 00:40:26,008 --> 00:40:28,844 I don't think Bryan should be released from prison right now. 487 00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:35,977 I think he should spend at least five or six years, at least. 488 00:40:37,186 --> 00:40:40,773 I think he should have remorse for what he's done. 489 00:40:41,524 --> 00:40:43,859 And I think getting out too quick, he won't have that. 490 00:40:50,366 --> 00:40:52,219 Woman: Churchill police say a home surveillance system 491 00:40:52,243 --> 00:40:54,537 recorded Lawson shooting his wife, 492 00:40:54,620 --> 00:40:56,220 investigators said that video also showed 493 00:40:56,372 --> 00:40:58,416 the pair in an argument before the shooting. 494 00:40:59,041 --> 00:41:02,962 The couple's small child was standing besides chandra Lawson when she was shot. 495 00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:06,215 Man: Ready? Here you go. 496 00:41:24,525 --> 00:41:26,861 What Braydon saw, what he went through. 497 00:41:28,237 --> 00:41:29,321 (Sighs) 498 00:41:30,448 --> 00:41:31,866 I don't know what to think. 499 00:41:33,075 --> 00:41:34,201 Right after it happened 500 00:41:34,285 --> 00:41:36,203 we put him in counselling and stuff. 501 00:41:36,662 --> 00:41:38,664 Braydon kept telling me when he was little, 502 00:41:38,789 --> 00:41:41,250 he'd say the gun went, pow, pow, pow, 503 00:41:42,251 --> 00:41:43,127 then mommy fell 504 00:41:43,210 --> 00:41:45,046 and mommy had juice all over her. 505 00:41:46,130 --> 00:41:47,690 Chandra: (In video) What you do Braydon? 506 00:41:47,715 --> 00:41:49,091 Look at the camera, 507 00:41:49,508 --> 00:41:50,760 say cheese. 508 00:41:52,803 --> 00:41:54,322 Gwen: Just don't think it would be good for Braydon 509 00:41:54,346 --> 00:41:55,826 to see him right now when he's little, 510 00:41:55,890 --> 00:41:57,475 because I'm afraid it will bring back 511 00:41:57,558 --> 00:41:59,727 too many bad memories and stuff 512 00:41:59,852 --> 00:42:02,063 that he won't understand or won't know how to deal with. 513 00:42:13,074 --> 00:42:16,285 Hey, buddy, good to see you. 514 00:42:20,122 --> 00:42:21,122 Good to see you. 515 00:42:22,083 --> 00:42:24,352 I was thinking it's no good to hold hate towards somebody. 516 00:42:24,376 --> 00:42:25,836 You're right. You're right. 517 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:31,133 What good does it do to me to sit in a room and just feel anger towards you? 518 00:42:31,217 --> 00:42:33,803 And nothing good comes from anger, you can see that. 519 00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:44,021 I do believe that Bryan is a murderer. 520 00:42:45,356 --> 00:42:49,193 If he thought logically and had a real problem 521 00:42:49,318 --> 00:42:52,530 there was nothing stopping him from getting up and leaving the apartment. 522 00:42:52,655 --> 00:42:56,992 And he had time to get up, lean over the couch and grab the gun. 523 00:42:57,076 --> 00:43:00,287 In that same amount of time, he could have easily walked out the door and left. 524 00:43:01,956 --> 00:43:06,293 He said that it was for the safety of Braydon, 525 00:43:06,377 --> 00:43:10,172 but I lived there and I know mom wouldn't hurt a hair on the child, 526 00:43:10,256 --> 00:43:13,175 she loved him just as much as she loved me. It was her child. 527 00:43:18,013 --> 00:43:20,391 When mom and Bryan first got married, 528 00:43:20,516 --> 00:43:23,894 she came to me and asked if it was okay that she married him. 529 00:43:24,395 --> 00:43:26,515 You know, I said, "okay, I want you to be happy, mom." 530 00:43:28,566 --> 00:43:31,110 But I guess that's a decision I kinda regret now. 531 00:43:37,408 --> 00:43:39,785 Gwen: I want people to know that chandra was a good mother. 532 00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:41,495 She loved her kids. 533 00:43:43,038 --> 00:43:46,083 Anything they wanted, she tried her best to see, that they got it. 534 00:43:47,251 --> 00:43:49,336 I don't think any length of time will do justice. 535 00:43:50,462 --> 00:43:52,506 Because there's nothing that's gonna bring her back. 536 00:44:02,266 --> 00:44:07,271 I haven't seen him since February the 1st, 2019. 537 00:44:09,356 --> 00:44:10,356 I miss him... 538 00:44:12,401 --> 00:44:13,401 quite a bit. 539 00:44:13,819 --> 00:44:18,532 And just want the day to finally come and see him in person 540 00:44:18,657 --> 00:44:22,328 rather than only talk with him on the phone. 541 00:44:28,459 --> 00:44:30,002 Oh, I cry sometimes. 542 00:44:34,173 --> 00:44:39,053 Never was a crier out in public, but I've done a lot of crying through all of this. 543 00:44:49,897 --> 00:44:50,940 (Bryan speaking) 544 00:45:22,179 --> 00:45:26,517 So, I've got a crazy cousin. That takes care of my dad. 545 00:45:27,393 --> 00:45:31,897 She drives a black Toyota or Nissan, 546 00:45:32,982 --> 00:45:37,069 anyway, she got in front of me in the semi and then started hitting her brakes, 547 00:45:37,236 --> 00:45:41,699 coming back closer and closer so that I could see her license plate. 548 00:45:43,033 --> 00:45:49,623 She got a personalized license plates that says, "u r guilty." 549 00:45:51,208 --> 00:45:55,462 And, when is this ever gonna end? 550 00:45:57,423 --> 00:46:01,677 It's never gonna end until the law enforcement 551 00:46:03,095 --> 00:46:06,140 decides to investigate the correct people. 552 00:46:07,057 --> 00:46:09,268 That's when it will start to end. 553 00:46:11,020 --> 00:46:13,397 But until then, it ain't never going to end. 554 00:46:14,273 --> 00:46:18,569 My mom will sit there and be a cold case. Forever. 555 00:46:45,721 --> 00:46:50,517 So, we know what the Iowa supreme court did back in march when it made its ruling. 556 00:46:50,893 --> 00:46:53,645 With that, we did ask them to reconsider their order. 557 00:46:54,188 --> 00:46:56,065 But the supreme court is the supreme court, 558 00:46:56,231 --> 00:47:00,319 and that's the end of the line for the issues that we have in front of them. 559 00:47:00,861 --> 00:47:04,114 But not necessarily the end of the road entirely. 560 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,799 Have you guys heard anything in the news 561 00:47:05,824 --> 00:47:08,452 about the establishment of a cold case division? 562 00:47:09,078 --> 00:47:10,162 - No. - No. 563 00:47:10,579 --> 00:47:11,579 Okay, so... 564 00:47:12,581 --> 00:47:15,584 Recently the Iowa senate passed this legislation 565 00:47:15,751 --> 00:47:18,379 that would establish a cold case division. 566 00:47:18,837 --> 00:47:25,219 What we would essentially do is put together our case for them. 567 00:47:39,024 --> 00:47:41,360 Now we get to put evidence in the hands of law enforcement 568 00:47:42,111 --> 00:47:45,531 that's really looking for an answer. 569 00:47:45,656 --> 00:47:48,742 That's the thing. I mean, this information came from law enforcement. 570 00:47:48,909 --> 00:47:49,928 It's hard to trust anyone. 571 00:47:49,952 --> 00:47:52,204 Yeah, but we can put it together for somebody new. 572 00:47:52,287 --> 00:47:54,540 I know. Look, I get it. I feel the same way. 573 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,210 - But they have resources, right? - What other choice do we have? 574 00:47:58,836 --> 00:48:02,172 And I know that we've had bad experiences with bad law enforcement officers, 575 00:48:02,256 --> 00:48:04,016 - but there are good ones out there. - Mm-hmm. 576 00:48:04,049 --> 00:48:07,386 And I really think somebody who wants to be in a cold case division, 577 00:48:07,553 --> 00:48:10,639 those are people who will want to bring peace to families who want 578 00:48:10,722 --> 00:48:14,017 to find justice for people, and they won't have had 579 00:48:14,101 --> 00:48:16,437 anything to do with the case so far. 580 00:48:22,818 --> 00:48:25,154 I think it was disheartening for all of us to find out 581 00:48:25,237 --> 00:48:27,197 that it was a closed investigation. 582 00:48:27,406 --> 00:48:29,032 We're trying to reopen it. 583 00:48:29,241 --> 00:48:30,868 - Seriously? - Yeah. 584 00:48:30,951 --> 00:48:32,369 That is amazing. 585 00:48:32,494 --> 00:48:33,814 - That's exciting. - That's great. 586 00:48:43,338 --> 00:48:46,216 Alison: We're going to do what law enforcement failed to do during 587 00:48:46,383 --> 00:48:47,676 their investigation. 588 00:48:47,843 --> 00:48:51,138 Because whoever killed Shirley Carter did it brutally. 589 00:48:51,930 --> 00:48:56,059 If we dig back through this step by step, there is a story that we can put 590 00:48:56,185 --> 00:49:00,147 together that's based on evidence, that's based on witness testimony. 591 00:49:00,230 --> 00:49:03,942 That shows what we believe could have happened to Shirley Carter. 592 00:49:17,789 --> 00:49:23,629 From the very start, Mark ludwick and my father-in-law 593 00:49:24,046 --> 00:49:28,342 made this case a trial in the eyes of the public, 594 00:49:29,218 --> 00:49:34,515 and right away there were so many people who were so quick to judge, 595 00:49:34,598 --> 00:49:38,435 it just made going to town sometimes almost unbearable. 596 00:49:40,562 --> 00:49:43,440 Shelly: Mark ludwick put us through hell, 597 00:49:43,815 --> 00:49:46,985 based on absolutely nothing but a feeling. 598 00:49:48,737 --> 00:49:51,865 I mean, this will never be made right. 599 00:49:53,325 --> 00:50:00,040 Shirley was taken from us. Her legacy, her family has been destroyed 600 00:50:00,123 --> 00:50:04,670 and the people that did this walk out there today. 601 00:50:05,879 --> 00:50:10,884 Someone do your job. And give our family a little peace. 602 00:50:18,350 --> 00:50:23,021 So these are all people whose names have come up over and over again 603 00:50:23,105 --> 00:50:28,193 in different reports as people had information about who was involved in 604 00:50:28,402 --> 00:50:30,529 the murder of Shirley Carter. 605 00:50:37,786 --> 00:50:42,124 So who's the first person that approached law enforcement with 606 00:50:42,249 --> 00:50:44,626 variations of this fact pattern? 607 00:50:44,751 --> 00:50:47,629 And I think that was (bleep), wasn't it? 608 00:50:47,713 --> 00:50:50,507 - Yeah. - I have his audio. 609 00:50:51,049 --> 00:50:55,387 (Joe speaking) 610 00:51:23,165 --> 00:51:24,458 At the point when he said, 611 00:51:24,583 --> 00:51:26,376 - "shot her twice..." - That's what I was 612 00:51:26,501 --> 00:51:27,669 just about to say. 613 00:51:27,753 --> 00:51:29,856 - That wasn't in the news. - That wasn't public information. 614 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,548 - That wasn't public at all. - No. 615 00:51:32,049 --> 00:51:32,841 Alison: There's nowhere 616 00:51:33,008 --> 00:51:34,801 that he could have got that information 617 00:51:35,218 --> 00:51:36,218 except for, 618 00:51:37,012 --> 00:51:38,012 somebody who was there 619 00:51:39,097 --> 00:51:39,848 or being there himself. 620 00:51:39,973 --> 00:51:42,017 And when there's all this discussion 621 00:51:42,142 --> 00:51:43,310 about rumors and things, 622 00:51:43,894 --> 00:51:45,520 that's come up a couple of times, 623 00:51:45,687 --> 00:51:47,064 but this is the earliest time. 624 00:51:47,230 --> 00:51:48,690 - That it came up. - Right. 625 00:51:49,816 --> 00:51:51,936 Alison: Right let's see if there's anything else here. 626 00:51:58,742 --> 00:52:00,535 Shelly: We're just so very thankful 627 00:52:00,661 --> 00:52:02,412 I mean, to be honest, we're overwhelmed, 628 00:52:02,746 --> 00:52:04,247 but in such a good way 629 00:52:04,414 --> 00:52:06,875 that someone's actually investigating. 630 00:52:07,793 --> 00:52:09,002 Jason: A lot of attorneys, 631 00:52:09,795 --> 00:52:12,255 yeah, after I was acquitted would have said, 632 00:52:12,381 --> 00:52:14,675 you know, "good luck." 633 00:52:15,926 --> 00:52:18,720 But, man, I tell you what, 634 00:52:19,554 --> 00:52:21,431 they have stuck behind us 635 00:52:21,556 --> 00:52:22,556 through and through. 636 00:52:22,974 --> 00:52:25,268 You know, how do you tell somebody, 637 00:52:27,062 --> 00:52:29,481 you can never tell them thank you enough. 638 00:52:32,943 --> 00:52:34,343 Christine: Okay, do you think anyone 639 00:52:34,403 --> 00:52:37,155 brings this together more than (bleep)? 640 00:52:37,572 --> 00:52:38,865 No, uh, 641 00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:41,618 I remember the day that I read her report. 642 00:52:41,743 --> 00:52:43,663 I remember the day that we listened to her audio. 643 00:52:43,912 --> 00:52:45,664 It was one of the only times 644 00:52:45,747 --> 00:52:47,541 in this case where I felt like, 645 00:52:48,542 --> 00:52:49,977 we were getting close to figuring out 646 00:52:50,001 --> 00:52:52,087 what had actually happened to Shirley. 647 00:53:09,062 --> 00:53:11,940 (Sheriff kious speaking) 648 00:53:17,237 --> 00:53:19,281 (Charity speaking) 649 00:53:23,660 --> 00:53:25,912 (Charity speaking) 650 00:53:26,580 --> 00:53:27,640 Reed kious: Joe said, he did it? 651 00:53:27,664 --> 00:53:29,624 (Charity speaking) 652 00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:33,920 - (Reed kious speaking) - (Charity speaking) 653 00:53:58,612 --> 00:54:02,783 (Continues speaking) 654 00:54:44,407 --> 00:54:45,867 - Katie... - Yes, sir. 655 00:54:46,034 --> 00:54:49,579 If you would please dial the warden secretary and, uh, 656 00:54:49,871 --> 00:54:51,957 see if you can set up an appointment 657 00:54:52,082 --> 00:54:55,377 in person, meeting with angel's office this week. 658 00:54:55,544 --> 00:54:57,629 - Yes, sir. I'll get on it. - Thank you. 659 00:55:03,552 --> 00:55:08,014 I didn't try the case, but I came in later for the appeal. 660 00:55:09,391 --> 00:55:12,185 Worked at a number of convictions that were overturned before, 661 00:55:12,269 --> 00:55:15,146 in Tennessee as well as in Mississippi. 662 00:55:18,733 --> 00:55:20,318 When I looked at this case, 663 00:55:21,403 --> 00:55:25,699 the first thing I said was that does not add up. 664 00:55:26,825 --> 00:55:29,452 It made me want to look further into this case 665 00:55:29,703 --> 00:55:32,747 to see how in the world an eighth grader 666 00:55:32,873 --> 00:55:35,792 was charged with such a heinous crime. 667 00:55:37,836 --> 00:55:42,048 It seemed like there were a lot of, um, 668 00:55:44,092 --> 00:55:47,846 a lot of tenuous connections of angel 669 00:55:48,179 --> 00:55:50,932 to this crime scene and to the people involved. 670 00:55:56,229 --> 00:56:00,942 Our goal is to get a new trial at the state level, 671 00:56:01,234 --> 00:56:02,527 from this court, 672 00:56:02,611 --> 00:56:06,323 so I want to able to present the best case to this judge 673 00:56:06,448 --> 00:56:07,949 that I can 674 00:56:08,575 --> 00:56:10,535 to get angel bumpass a new trial. 675 00:56:11,202 --> 00:56:13,121 Or have the case dismissed. 676 00:56:15,165 --> 00:56:19,002 So when you're on appeal, what you're appealing are errors 677 00:56:19,252 --> 00:56:20,295 of law. 678 00:56:21,922 --> 00:56:27,010 For example, the detective that was the lead detective on the case 679 00:56:27,302 --> 00:56:31,389 went out to interview Shirley and he said 680 00:56:31,598 --> 00:56:34,517 she had called Franklin bonner 681 00:56:35,393 --> 00:56:38,396 the day of his death or I assume, before his death, 682 00:56:38,563 --> 00:56:42,901 and arranged to come over to his home and had gone there. 683 00:56:44,486 --> 00:56:48,365 Of course, there's no statement about angel being involved at all, 684 00:56:48,615 --> 00:56:50,450 according to the detective. 685 00:56:51,326 --> 00:56:53,828 And the connections made in the state's argument 686 00:56:53,954 --> 00:56:58,083 because angel lived with Shirley. 687 00:56:59,751 --> 00:57:05,173 To me, that was a tenuous connection, it wasn't a strong connection at all. 688 00:57:08,301 --> 00:57:12,389 What the case should be is, did the state 689 00:57:12,555 --> 00:57:15,392 prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt? 690 00:57:18,353 --> 00:57:20,498 That's something we have to look at, and that's an issue 691 00:57:20,522 --> 00:57:23,483 that we will raise on this motion for new trial. 692 00:57:26,277 --> 00:57:30,323 Uh, unfortunately, the motion for a new trial ran into covid. 693 00:57:31,741 --> 00:57:35,787 What's holding up the filing of this motion at this time 694 00:57:35,912 --> 00:57:39,082 is being able to sit down face to face 695 00:57:39,374 --> 00:57:42,377 and go over each one of these issues 696 00:57:42,711 --> 00:57:44,546 with angel bumpass. 697 00:57:45,171 --> 00:57:49,050 And I've not yet been able to get the warden's okay 698 00:57:49,175 --> 00:57:52,470 to come up and conduct a visit with her. 699 00:57:54,681 --> 00:57:57,100 Hopefully that will be done asap. 700 00:57:58,059 --> 00:58:00,228 She's ready to get her motion for the new trial heard 701 00:58:00,395 --> 00:58:04,983 and I certainly am too. I know the judges and the state as well. 702 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,826 Our goal in this case is a dismissal. 703 00:58:15,118 --> 00:58:16,369 That's our goal. 704 00:58:18,329 --> 00:58:21,666 We want to send angel home to her children. 705 00:58:23,084 --> 00:58:25,211 She has missed those children terribly. 706 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,190 So we should probably go over timeline. 707 00:58:53,573 --> 00:58:54,949 Alison: We know, 708 00:58:55,075 --> 00:58:57,327 Jason arrived at the Carter home, 709 00:58:57,577 --> 00:58:58,995 we think. 710 00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:00,872 The earliest possible time 711 00:59:00,997 --> 00:59:03,458 would have been like 11:02, 11:03... 712 00:59:11,966 --> 00:59:13,319 -So the question is, -Christine: Mm-hm. 713 00:59:13,343 --> 00:59:16,346 What happened between 9.00 am and 11:00 am 714 00:59:16,471 --> 00:59:18,473 when Jason arrived on the scene? 715 00:59:33,738 --> 00:59:34,757 Scott: The house coming up 716 00:59:34,781 --> 00:59:36,699 would be Billy Carter's house. 717 00:59:36,783 --> 00:59:38,368 This is where the murder happened. 718 00:59:48,211 --> 00:59:50,588 Jason's one of the harder cases to work. 719 00:59:50,922 --> 00:59:52,298 It's easy to defend a criminal 720 00:59:53,049 --> 00:59:54,049 or a guilty person 721 00:59:54,134 --> 00:59:55,194 because you just want to make sure 722 00:59:55,218 --> 00:59:57,095 they get a good, fair trial. 723 00:59:58,012 --> 00:59:59,472 But when you know someone's innocent, 724 01:00:00,390 --> 01:00:02,058 that puts a lot more pressure on you. 725 01:00:14,154 --> 01:00:15,434 Scott: During the course of trial 726 01:00:15,905 --> 01:00:17,323 uh, we got dumped on 727 01:00:18,741 --> 01:00:19,741 all this new evidence. 728 01:00:20,076 --> 01:00:21,411 So we were going through 729 01:00:22,203 --> 01:00:23,363 and through the course of it, 730 01:00:23,413 --> 01:00:25,165 there's always this mysterious vehicle 731 01:00:25,290 --> 01:00:26,958 that was cited by neighbors 732 01:00:27,083 --> 01:00:28,668 and people in this area. 733 01:00:29,752 --> 01:00:31,337 But we didn't have any defining 734 01:00:33,047 --> 01:00:34,174 evidence who that was 735 01:00:34,257 --> 01:00:35,758 or what that vehicle was? 736 01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,687 Scott: Johnson gave me some really good information. 737 01:00:49,105 --> 01:00:51,107 I don't know what follow up was ever done on that. 738 01:00:54,736 --> 01:00:59,115 (Prosecutor speaking) 739 01:00:59,616 --> 01:01:02,785 (Both speaking) 740 01:01:42,408 --> 01:01:44,285 David Johnson is in many ways 741 01:01:44,410 --> 01:01:46,579 - our most unbiased witness. - Yep. 742 01:01:47,538 --> 01:01:50,208 He's just not connected to anyone in any way. 743 01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:52,877 He's just a guy who saw what he saw. 744 01:01:53,002 --> 01:01:54,837 - And has a good memory. - Yeah. 745 01:01:55,004 --> 01:01:57,507 Christine: Okay, let's pull the reports. 746 01:01:58,216 --> 01:02:00,802 Alison: So, David Johnson saw two vehicles 747 01:02:00,927 --> 01:02:02,011 um, 748 01:02:02,553 --> 01:02:04,097 sometime between ten and ten thirty 749 01:02:04,222 --> 01:02:05,306 in the morning that day. 750 01:02:06,391 --> 01:02:07,684 The blue car waiting 751 01:02:07,767 --> 01:02:09,769 just down the road from the Carter home. 752 01:02:12,146 --> 01:02:14,524 And then also a red dodge pickup truck 753 01:02:15,191 --> 01:02:17,151 um, driving at a high rate of speed 754 01:02:17,277 --> 01:02:18,861 with tinted windows. 755 01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:29,872 We did hear a report 756 01:02:29,998 --> 01:02:31,558 from someone else talking about a truck. 757 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:44,720 (Krista speaking) 758 01:02:50,059 --> 01:02:51,144 (Ludwick speaking) 759 01:02:52,729 --> 01:02:53,729 (Krista speaking) 760 01:03:13,249 --> 01:03:18,629 I certainly didn't know that Christine (bleep) Had a red (bleep) Pickup truck. 761 01:03:19,422 --> 01:03:22,508 It's definitely something that I would want to investigate. 762 01:03:22,633 --> 01:03:24,344 I mean, it could lead to something else, 763 01:03:24,427 --> 01:03:26,554 especially if her truck has tinted windows. 764 01:03:27,472 --> 01:03:29,724 Okay. 765 01:03:40,068 --> 01:03:44,697 Hello. Hey, would you be willing to get a vehicle history for me? 766 01:03:45,740 --> 01:03:49,494 - So let's see what we can find. - (Keyboard clacking) 767 01:03:51,245 --> 01:03:54,582 I've jumped on quartz online. 768 01:03:56,376 --> 01:03:59,253 So now we have the plate number, 769 01:03:59,379 --> 01:04:04,133 ticket was issued to (Bleep), back in 2015. 770 01:04:05,051 --> 01:04:08,096 And the vehicle description was a red dodge ram. 771 01:04:08,388 --> 01:04:11,349 We found the vehicle was owned by (bleep). 772 01:04:12,141 --> 01:04:15,186 We know that (bleep) Had access to the vehicle even though 773 01:04:15,395 --> 01:04:16,729 she wasn't the owner. 774 01:04:16,896 --> 01:04:18,976 Because she got picked up with the traffic violation. 775 01:04:19,023 --> 01:04:21,526 As a matter of fact she was driving without a license. 776 01:04:24,362 --> 01:04:26,030 We're gonna jump up on Google maps 777 01:04:26,155 --> 01:04:29,450 and just see what the map shows. 778 01:04:37,250 --> 01:04:39,252 Down the street view. 779 01:04:41,629 --> 01:04:43,256 Just have a look at this area. 780 01:04:43,881 --> 01:04:45,508 (Phone ringing) 781 01:04:46,426 --> 01:04:47,945 - Allison: Hi, Scott. - Scott: Can you hear me? 782 01:04:47,969 --> 01:04:49,095 We can hear ya. 783 01:04:49,429 --> 01:04:51,029 - So what do you know? - (Scott speaking) 784 01:04:56,102 --> 01:04:57,728 Okay. 785 01:05:01,858 --> 01:05:07,530 Christine: Oh! 786 01:05:12,076 --> 01:05:16,038 Scott says that this is from 2013 787 01:05:16,164 --> 01:05:18,833 outside (bleep) House. 788 01:05:19,667 --> 01:05:23,504 It's a red dodge ram, and it has tinted windows. 789 01:05:23,796 --> 01:05:25,548 (Speaking) 790 01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:38,436 So she was driving a red dodge ram 791 01:05:38,561 --> 01:05:39,812 around the time of the murder, 792 01:05:39,896 --> 01:05:42,231 but now we have an image of what we think... 793 01:05:42,356 --> 01:05:43,691 I think is reasonable to say that 794 01:05:43,774 --> 01:05:45,276 that probably is the red dodge ram 795 01:05:45,401 --> 01:05:46,777 because we know that's (bleep). 796 01:05:46,903 --> 01:05:48,423 We know it's in front of his apartment. 797 01:05:48,988 --> 01:05:50,382 - Christine: Yeah. - Allison: And physically, 798 01:05:50,406 --> 01:05:52,742 it seems to match the descriptions that we've seen 799 01:06:00,208 --> 01:06:02,043 Whoever murdered Shirley 800 01:06:02,418 --> 01:06:05,379 could possibly and even likely 801 01:06:05,505 --> 01:06:09,717 have gotten some DNA from Shirley on onto them. 802 01:06:10,343 --> 01:06:11,719 If they then got into this truck, 803 01:06:11,844 --> 01:06:15,431 like maybe even just a little bit of blood or hair or whatever. 804 01:06:16,432 --> 01:06:17,934 Christine: Yeah. 805 01:06:18,059 --> 01:06:20,537 I mean, the chances of it still being there at this point, I don't know, 806 01:06:20,561 --> 01:06:22,021 but I mean, blood lasts a long time. 807 01:06:22,104 --> 01:06:23,606 If they... If they could find that, 808 01:06:24,148 --> 01:06:26,335 it would be interesting to have the truck forensically examined, 809 01:06:26,359 --> 01:06:27,479 I guess, is what I'm saying. 810 01:06:37,870 --> 01:06:39,539 Jason: This whole things a bad nightmare, 811 01:06:39,956 --> 01:06:44,544 you just expect to wake up from it, then you realize you are awake. 812 01:06:51,425 --> 01:06:54,512 (Speaking) 813 01:07:15,908 --> 01:07:18,578 Roland and Perry was a father and son. 814 01:07:18,995 --> 01:07:21,998 Roland was killed at the scene, he was about 80 years old, 815 01:07:22,498 --> 01:07:26,085 and then Perry's still alive today, but he's hurt very bad. 816 01:07:37,013 --> 01:07:39,807 My client is accused of crossing over the double yellow line 817 01:07:40,224 --> 01:07:43,811 and causing a head on collision, and the reason they say he crossed the line 818 01:07:44,061 --> 01:07:46,856 is because he was using his cellphone 819 01:07:56,907 --> 01:08:00,578 Jason: To be accused feels unfair. 820 01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:05,124 Worst case scenario, I end up going to prison 821 01:08:07,001 --> 01:08:09,920 the charges against Jason mccombs were of course very serious, 822 01:08:10,046 --> 01:08:13,174 they would have likely ended his life because he would have 823 01:08:13,341 --> 01:08:16,093 gone to prison for many decades. 824 01:08:16,218 --> 01:08:19,555 Austin: If there jury were to come back and put you in prison, 825 01:08:19,722 --> 01:08:23,809 then would pick a number, somewhere between 2 and 20 years. 826 01:08:28,147 --> 01:08:33,444 The hardest person to represent is a person who did nothing wrong, 827 01:08:33,778 --> 01:08:37,156 because there is no plea bargaining, no negotiating, 828 01:08:37,615 --> 01:08:42,662 the only thing is to go to a jury trial and try to get a not guilty. 829 01:08:59,679 --> 01:09:02,056 I can't thank you enough man. 830 01:09:06,143 --> 01:09:10,272 I feel like mount Everest has just been taken off my back. 831 01:09:10,398 --> 01:09:17,196 I haven't felt this way, since all this trial stuff started, since the arrest. 832 01:09:21,075 --> 01:09:25,287 Nobody won in that jury trial. The only thing that happened 833 01:09:25,413 --> 01:09:29,083 was a man did not go to prison for something he didn't do. 834 01:09:30,918 --> 01:09:34,422 Putting your life, your outcome through 12 strangers hands, 835 01:09:34,964 --> 01:09:40,845 is the most terrifying thing anybody could ever go through. 836 01:09:41,762 --> 01:09:44,557 By god's grace I never have to go through that again 837 01:09:53,149 --> 01:09:56,610 I don't think there's ever gonna be anything that's gonna remove 838 01:09:56,736 --> 01:09:58,696 any of the guilt that Jason feels, 839 01:09:58,779 --> 01:10:01,699 it's gonna be with him, he's gonna feel that guilt. 840 01:10:01,824 --> 01:10:03,868 It's part of who he is, 841 01:10:04,368 --> 01:10:06,787 and it'll probably be with him till the day he dies. 842 01:10:27,641 --> 01:10:33,147 (Speaking) 843 01:11:23,739 --> 01:11:25,282 - Mom? - Yes. 844 01:11:25,658 --> 01:11:27,409 - Hey, how are you? - I'm all right. 845 01:11:32,248 --> 01:11:36,669 Evelyn: I felt like he'd go in there and serve his time, get out, 846 01:11:37,002 --> 01:11:40,339 and it would be okay but that's not the way it's been. 847 01:11:41,048 --> 01:11:43,592 I know you're ready to get him home, for sure. 848 01:11:43,968 --> 01:11:46,053 One problem after another. 849 01:11:46,262 --> 01:11:48,889 One hill to climb, daily. 850 01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:53,352 It just gets frustrating after a while. 851 01:11:54,144 --> 01:11:56,939 I use the help of the lord to have hope, 852 01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,818 to get me through the day and start another day. 853 01:12:03,737 --> 01:12:05,364 All right. 854 01:12:06,031 --> 01:12:08,701 We can support him that way by just encouraging him... 855 01:12:08,909 --> 01:12:10,536 I know it's hard for you, mama. 856 01:12:10,661 --> 01:12:14,248 I know, it is. It's not easy. Not easy. 857 01:12:18,168 --> 01:12:24,174 (Bryan speaking) 858 01:13:15,726 --> 01:13:17,686 This event has affected my life 859 01:13:17,811 --> 01:13:19,396 and my mother's life quite a bit. 860 01:13:20,898 --> 01:13:23,609 (Nicky crying) Just let me cry up here. (Sniffles) 861 01:13:24,568 --> 01:13:26,862 When you would, you know, walk into the grocery store, 862 01:13:27,029 --> 01:13:29,198 you see people pointing and people whispering 863 01:13:29,323 --> 01:13:31,867 and you hear conversations that get back to you 864 01:13:32,034 --> 01:13:34,036 about what things have been said behind your back 865 01:13:34,203 --> 01:13:36,372 and what things have been said about your brother, 866 01:13:36,497 --> 01:13:38,624 I mean, and about your family. 867 01:13:39,083 --> 01:13:40,459 - Bye, mama. - Bye-bye. 868 01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:42,294 - Love you. - Love you too. 869 01:13:45,714 --> 01:13:49,635 There's always going to be that reminder here that, you know, 870 01:13:49,718 --> 01:13:52,471 my brother was convicted of what he was 871 01:13:52,554 --> 01:13:55,265 and it's just, it's going to be nice to start over 872 01:13:55,391 --> 01:13:57,893 in a place where nobody knows me and get a fresh start. 873 01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,437 I'm sad leaving mom, um, 874 01:14:01,230 --> 01:14:02,648 mom's not getting any younger, 875 01:14:02,731 --> 01:14:06,360 but I feel like it's something I have to do for myself. 876 01:14:08,112 --> 01:14:10,739 She's going to be far away 877 01:14:11,281 --> 01:14:16,120 and I just have to have hope and move on that things will be better. 878 01:14:36,432 --> 01:14:38,726 Braydon, we're going to Nana's house. 879 01:14:38,934 --> 01:14:40,853 I'm ready to go to Nana's house. 880 01:14:55,909 --> 01:14:59,329 She loves Braydon just as much as I love Braydon, 881 01:14:59,413 --> 01:15:02,041 and he loves her too. That's his Nana. 882 01:15:02,624 --> 01:15:04,835 Give me a big hug. (Laughs) 883 01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,337 Don't mind my hug. (Kisses) 884 01:15:07,463 --> 01:15:08,547 (Sighs) 885 01:15:11,216 --> 01:15:14,344 - I need a flat piece. - A flat piece. 886 01:15:14,970 --> 01:15:16,781 I'm sure there's a lot of people don't understand 887 01:15:16,805 --> 01:15:19,016 why we get along... 888 01:15:19,141 --> 01:15:20,309 You know, I don't even care. 889 01:15:20,392 --> 01:15:22,203 - I don't care what they think. - It don't matter. 890 01:15:22,227 --> 01:15:24,021 Avenger. 891 01:15:24,980 --> 01:15:27,191 I think we do it for Braydon 892 01:15:27,566 --> 01:15:29,651 and that we want him to have the best life 893 01:15:29,777 --> 01:15:31,361 and we just... Why not? 894 01:15:31,528 --> 01:15:33,363 That's the way you treat everybody. 895 01:15:33,530 --> 01:15:35,282 Kind, loving, respectful. 896 01:15:35,783 --> 01:15:38,053 - Gwen: That's the way I want him to grow up too. - Evelyn: Yeah. 897 01:15:38,077 --> 01:15:40,180 I don't want him to grow up with bitterness and anger and hatred 898 01:15:40,204 --> 01:15:42,539 and, you know, all of it. 899 01:15:42,623 --> 01:15:44,958 - So I don't want him to grow up like that. - No. 900 01:15:45,542 --> 01:15:47,702 That's not a good life and there's too much of that now. 901 01:15:48,295 --> 01:15:50,047 I can't imagine a life without him. 902 01:15:50,172 --> 01:15:52,049 - I miss him when he's over here. - Oh, yeah. 903 01:15:52,174 --> 01:15:54,301 You wonder what he's doing, where he's going. 904 01:15:54,885 --> 01:15:57,513 But I don't worry about his safety or anything when he's over here. 905 01:15:57,638 --> 01:15:59,640 I know he's taken care of. 906 01:16:00,099 --> 01:16:02,184 I just do the best with him. 907 01:16:03,227 --> 01:16:05,771 When Bryan is released from prison 908 01:16:06,230 --> 01:16:08,482 and Braydon gets old enough, 909 01:16:10,025 --> 01:16:12,194 that he starts asking and wants to see him, 910 01:16:12,319 --> 01:16:13,546 I'm not gonna stop him from seeing him 911 01:16:13,570 --> 01:16:16,240 because I... I don't think that would be good. 912 01:16:19,076 --> 01:16:21,745 (Bryan speaking) 913 01:17:05,831 --> 01:17:08,959 Me and that accusation don't go in the same sentence. 914 01:17:09,877 --> 01:17:13,005 It destroys me as a mother, it destroys me as a human being. 915 01:17:17,843 --> 01:17:24,683 (Speaking) 916 01:17:40,741 --> 01:17:44,369 To think that somebody would accuse me of wanting to hurt my son, 917 01:17:44,578 --> 01:17:47,289 and oh my god this kills me. 918 01:17:56,882 --> 01:18:01,595 We have to take such an aggressive plan to defeat this. 919 01:18:02,471 --> 01:18:06,475 I don't see the evidence to convict her, I do not. 920 01:18:13,482 --> 01:18:17,611 We tore up the doctors, not a single doctor got on the stand 921 01:18:17,736 --> 01:18:21,490 and said she said he was in pain, and that's a lie. 922 01:18:30,666 --> 01:18:34,253 They have not brought forth any credible evidence 923 01:18:34,378 --> 01:18:36,004 to convict danita. 924 01:18:36,588 --> 01:18:39,091 She should be found not guilty so fast. 925 01:18:39,716 --> 01:18:41,134 And that's what haunts me. 926 01:18:54,856 --> 01:18:56,233 (Speaking) 927 01:19:07,577 --> 01:19:08,577 We will do that. 928 01:19:35,814 --> 01:19:38,775 No cuddles at night? No story time? 929 01:19:39,151 --> 01:19:40,694 No life at all. 930 01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,323 For what? For something I didn't even do. 931 01:20:16,646 --> 01:20:19,274 Nate: We received the cell tower data 932 01:20:19,399 --> 01:20:21,109 through discovery from the state, 933 01:20:21,568 --> 01:20:24,404 and what they did is they amassed a data dump 934 01:20:24,905 --> 01:20:27,115 from all the cell phone towers in the area. 935 01:20:27,574 --> 01:20:30,744 So they just collect the numbers and the date and time 936 01:20:30,869 --> 01:20:32,788 that the phone calls were placed back and forth. 937 01:20:38,919 --> 01:20:41,671 The data dump that we received was for the day in question. 938 01:20:41,797 --> 01:20:43,840 So June, 19th of 2015. 939 01:20:44,216 --> 01:20:48,887 So we had, Tory from our team 940 01:20:49,012 --> 01:20:53,392 pull phone numbers from the financial affidavits for these individuals, 941 01:20:54,684 --> 01:20:57,187 and the search hits right here. 942 01:20:57,687 --> 01:21:01,191 So you follow that over, six, nineteen, date of the murder, 943 01:21:01,358 --> 01:21:02,859 9:36 a. M. 944 01:21:03,652 --> 01:21:07,906 So this phone number called phone associated with (bleep). 945 01:21:09,074 --> 01:21:11,743 It bounced off the closest tower to (indistinct) 946 01:21:12,536 --> 01:21:14,538 Actually, this tower right here, 947 01:21:20,502 --> 01:21:25,549 So at 9:36 in the morning, morning of the murder, 948 01:21:26,633 --> 01:21:29,678 phone pinged off of that tower. 949 01:21:31,763 --> 01:21:33,056 And this is hard evidence, right? 950 01:21:33,181 --> 01:21:36,393 As opposed to, you know, rumors, hearsay, whatever. 951 01:21:36,935 --> 01:21:40,230 We know for a fact that they received calls or made calls 952 01:21:40,397 --> 01:21:43,066 - within that time frame right near the Carter home. - Yeah. 953 01:21:59,082 --> 01:22:02,502 I don't know what alli's got, as far as... 954 01:22:02,961 --> 01:22:06,089 I don't know what she's got. Or gonna tell us. 955 01:22:09,176 --> 01:22:13,889 All right, so Christine and I have been talking through your case, 956 01:22:14,014 --> 01:22:15,849 looking at it from a totally different angle, 957 01:22:16,016 --> 01:22:18,018 from the way that we looked at it three years ago. 958 01:22:22,647 --> 01:22:25,942 We have individuals who have knowledge 959 01:22:26,067 --> 01:22:28,403 before anything was publicized. 960 01:22:28,570 --> 01:22:32,657 We have multiple reports of this red pickup. 961 01:22:33,241 --> 01:22:35,785 They thought it was a dodge. 962 01:22:35,911 --> 01:22:37,245 - Yes. - Mm-hmm. 963 01:22:37,662 --> 01:22:39,662 - Driving at high rates of speed in the area. - Yes. 964 01:22:39,915 --> 01:22:42,167 Do you remember (bleep) Name? 965 01:22:42,250 --> 01:22:43,668 Yes. 966 01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:45,086 She's part of that crowd. 967 01:22:45,212 --> 01:22:49,633 So apparently, (bleep) Drives a red dodge pickup truck. 968 01:22:51,885 --> 01:22:56,348 We have a cell tower reports placing people who are 969 01:22:56,473 --> 01:22:58,475 reported to be involved in the area. 970 01:22:58,558 --> 01:23:02,020 We're starting to put things together and say, ok, these are the pieces 971 01:23:02,145 --> 01:23:05,690 that we've got corroboration for, some of which we have hard evidence for. 972 01:23:06,316 --> 01:23:08,586 And a lot of the stuff I feel like is still tip of the iceberg. 973 01:23:08,610 --> 01:23:12,531 I mean, this is stuff that we've managed to find in the last two weeks 974 01:23:13,740 --> 01:23:17,202 -but, you know, probably the sickest part is -(Jason scoffs) 975 01:23:17,369 --> 01:23:21,081 Had they just done their job, the people that had done this, 976 01:23:21,373 --> 01:23:23,416 - that have done this... - Would be in jail. 977 01:23:23,875 --> 01:23:26,145 - Would be in jail for the rest of their life. - And for years now. 978 01:23:26,169 --> 01:23:29,005 - Do you have anything uplifting? - (Laughs) 979 01:23:30,006 --> 01:23:33,134 I think actually the uplifting part of this is that 980 01:23:33,218 --> 01:23:35,512 everybody keeps saying this is hearsay, this is rumors, 981 01:23:35,595 --> 01:23:37,389 this is, you know not reliable, well fine. 982 01:23:37,556 --> 01:23:41,268 We do have some things that do tie these people to the scene of the crime. 983 01:23:41,393 --> 01:23:44,729 We've already established a few more connections that we didn't make before 984 01:23:44,854 --> 01:23:46,565 and I think we're going to keep doing that. 985 01:23:47,065 --> 01:23:48,441 The reality is, 986 01:23:48,567 --> 01:23:50,694 if we could get all the way over 987 01:23:51,069 --> 01:23:55,031 -to we can prove who fired those shots, -mm-hmm. 988 01:23:55,198 --> 01:23:59,160 That's gonna come back and help us with everything else along the way. 989 01:23:59,911 --> 01:24:00,912 Um, 990 01:24:01,830 --> 01:24:04,791 I couldn't thank you guys enough. 991 01:24:08,211 --> 01:24:12,799 The Iowa supreme court ruling makes it difficult but all hope is not lost. 992 01:24:13,341 --> 01:24:17,095 We're going to keep fighting until Jason tells us not to 993 01:24:17,429 --> 01:24:19,490 and I don't know that that day is ever going to come. 994 01:24:19,514 --> 01:24:26,062 Jason is angry about what happened to him, um, he's tired, too, 995 01:24:26,521 --> 01:24:28,898 but mostly he seems to be driven by 996 01:24:29,065 --> 01:24:32,193 not wanting to see this happen to anybody else ever again. 997 01:24:32,902 --> 01:24:36,323 Um, and I think he's pretty courageous 998 01:24:36,406 --> 01:24:37,616 to keep fighting like this. 999 01:24:57,677 --> 01:25:01,222 I'm really humbled by what they're doing for us. 1000 01:25:01,556 --> 01:25:05,060 It'd be hard to... Hard to... 1001 01:25:12,567 --> 01:25:13,777 (Sniffles) 1002 01:25:17,113 --> 01:25:19,574 (Choking up) I miss... I miss my mom.