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(dispatcher and woman speaking)
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Everybody involved
in this case knows,
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Without question,
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That the person
that killed ryder
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Was the mother's boyfriend,
christopher trent.
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Male reporter: Christopher trent
ran away after johnson died.
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Now prosecutors have filed
first degree murder charges
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Against the boy's mother
rebecca hogue.
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They say she should have
reasonably known her son
was at risk of child abuse
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When she left him with trent.
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Hogue: I don't know
what went wrong that night,
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I still don't know.
I don't think I'll ever know
what went wrong.
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I know my son knows
that I would never allow
anyone to hurt him.
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And I know he does not want to
look down and see me in jail
for the rest of my life.
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My name is andrew casey.
I'm an attorney
in oklahoma city.
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I represent rebecca hogue.
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Rebecca's son,
a two and a half-year-old
named jeremiah ryder johnson,
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Was killed by her boyfriend,
christopher trent.
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But rebecca's charged
with a very small subset
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Of oklahoma's murder law,
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Which is based
upon a failure to protect.
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Which says that rebecca knew
or should have known
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That the boyfriend was a risk
of child abuse to her child.
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If she's convicted,
rebecca would have to serve
about 38 and a half years
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Before she was eligible
for parole.
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Rebecca is a single mother
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Who was working a lot
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To make sure that she was
providing for her son.
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On December 31st,
so it's new year's eve,
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Rebecca went to work at her job
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As a cocktail waitress
at a local casino.
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And she left the child
in the care of her boyfriend.
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She worked a double shift,
came home in roughly
the 4:00 a.M. Hours.
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When she woke up the next day,
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The boyfriend had left
to go to work,
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And upon her waking up,
she felt that the child was cold
and he was not breathing.
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Ryder's death occurred
because her boyfriend,
christopher trent,
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Had caused blunt force trauma
to his head.
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That produced what is called
a subdural hematoma,
which is a brain bleed.
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I took rebecca's case
without pay as a pro bono client
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Because I truly believe
that she did not know
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That christopher trent
was a risk of child abuse
to ryder.
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I feel absolutely saddened,
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Heartbroken and,
at the same time, disgusted
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That this person
is being subjected
to this particular charge.
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Hogue: This is what
I sleep next to every night.
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This is,
most importantly, my son.
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Right here in his urn.
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I have his handprints,
his feet prints.
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These are my fingerprints
and his father's fingerprints.
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I named my son after his father,
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And it broke my heart
when he didn't wanna
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Be in a home with us.
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Hogue: So I was raising
ryder by myself,
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And I wasn't exactly looking,
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But I was hoping
that somebody would come along
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And take me and my son
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And want to be there for us.
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I was raised without a father
and I didn't want my son
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To grow up
without a father figure.
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I feel like every child
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Needs a father in their life.
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And chris told me
that he would adopt my son
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And I didn't know a man
would do that.
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And I was just like,
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"wow, I finally have someone
that wants to stay
in the home with me."
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Chris was
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Such a loving person
and I don't know...
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I don't know
what went wrong that night.
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We're going to spend today
with rebecca,
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Trying to figure out
a little bit more detail
about the timeline of events.
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Because we've gotta come up
with a strategy
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To prove
that she couldn't have known
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That the person
she'd left in charge of ryder
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Was a risk of child abuse.
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Casey: Thank you
for being here with us today.
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I want to go over
just a few different things
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About the day before
and the day of. All right?
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Hogue: Okay.
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Casey: December 31st, 2019.
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-You're working at
riverwind casino, right?
-Hogue: Mmm-hmm.
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Casey: So you went to work.
Did you talk to chris
throughout the night?
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I was very busy,
but I did get
a video call in at 9:00
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And I got to speak
to both of them,
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And my son told me
that he loved me.
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He was smiling.
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And I was like,
"it was good to see you guys."
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And then I got off the phone
and I went right back to work.
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And then when do you get home?
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(sniffles) I get home
around 3:00 a.M.
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Chris and ryder
are asleep in bed,
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And I crawl in in between them.
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And I give my son a kiss
and I was asleep.
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And then when did you wake up?
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(sniffles) woke up,
I think, around 11:00 a.M.
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Do you know where chris is?
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Yeah, he wasn't in bed with me.
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He had an appointment
that morning that he was
going to go to work.
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Walk me through
what's happening.
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I feel like
it's late in the day.
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And usually,
my son wakes me up
a little bit earlier.
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That was my first sign.
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And I roll over and my son
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Doesn't look
like he's breathing.
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And I call 911.
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And then the paramedics come
and I step away,
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So they could
do their work and...
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Next thing I know,
the police won't let me ride
in the ambulance with ryder,
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Which I thought was odd,
'cause I wanted to.
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And me and a police officer
get to the hospital
before the ambulance.
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I'm sitting down with the police
and telling them everything
that I know.
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They're suspecting something,
I guess.
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Of who?
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Of chris, since he wasn't
answering the phone.
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Casey: Were you calling a bunch?
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Was it just going
to voicemail or what?
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Yeah.
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I called him and told him
that ryder wasn't breathing.
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"I think we lost him.
I think I lost him."
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And then he hung up the phone
and turned it off.
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Casey: And then you never
heard from him again?
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No, his phone was off
and he never showed up.
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That was kind of when
I put two and two together.
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And then finally,
I get taken back into a room
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And like, it's just like
in the movies,
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A doctor comes out and says,
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"we tried everything
for your son
and he's not alive."
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So in this case,
they know you did not cause
any direct harm to ryder.
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But you've been charged
with the most serious crime
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That the state of oklahoma has.
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If we don't win at jury trial,
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Our only options are life
or life without parole.
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Thirty eight and a half years.
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And we have to fight every day
between now and then
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To make sure
that we don't have to hear
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Any of those words
come out of a juror's mouth.
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Night falls on
the wichita mountains
wildlife refuge
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Without any luck
finding the suspect
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In the death
of a norman two-year-old.
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(tense music playing)
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Casey: The manhunt continues
until January 4th.
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And they've tracked
what they think is his location
down to the wichita mountains,
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But when they locate him,
he is no longer alive.
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He had concocted
a noose for himself
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And he hung himself to death.
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Christopher trent left a note,
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So to speak.
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He made his own burial
and he carved
some messages into it.
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You see an actual cross.
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He spends time and whittles out
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All of these
different types of messages.
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"I'm sorry, mom."
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And then he has
one final message.
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"rebecca is innocent."
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It's vital to the defense
that a jury hear
and understand
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This is the guilty killer
in this case
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Accepting responsibility
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For what he did
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To cause this child's death.
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There is
no more important message
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Than "rebecca is innocent"
on this cross.
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Hogue: A lot of my family
is out of state,
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So I'm living
with eileen and karen,
my two aunts.
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Eileen kropf: I'll make some
cheesy eggs, scrambled eggs,
how's that?
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Hogue: Sounds good.
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Hogue: It fits
because I'm not alone
right now,
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Dealing with these emotions
from the loss of my son.
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After my son's death
on January 1st,
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I couldn't go back
into that house at all.
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So I immediately moved out.
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Do you want fresh
watermelon juice?
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-Yum.
-Yummy.
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Hogue: Six to seven months later
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I found out that they were
going to indict me.
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Then I turned myself in
and I stayed in jail
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For four months,
almost five months.
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My time in jail
was really hard on me.
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Mentally, emotionally,
grieving for my son.
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If he was out
running around here,
I'd be a lot different.
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Oh, I know that, honey. I'm...
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-I'd be out and about,
you know, with him and...
-Kropf: Uh-huh.
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-It just feels so quiet and...
-Uh-huh.
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We want you to know
we're here if you need us.
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(kropf chuckles)
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Hogue: I couldn't imagine
going to prison and being...
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And doing it all over again,
but having years and years
and years to count down.
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-I want to offer up
a little prayer.
-Both: Okay.
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Okay. I just want to say,
thank you, lord, and...
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Hogue: I want the life
where I'm married,
I have children,
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We have a nice home,
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And I don't want to give up
and let the state take
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My future away from me
so I never get to experience
those things that...
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That I want so badly
and have wanted so badly.
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(intense music playing)
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Casey: Today, austin and I
are going over the evidence
in the case
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And we're trying to pinpoint
some of the state's strongest
evidence against rebecca.
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The state's case here
is not about rebecca
doing the child abuse.
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And so they can't
just focus on January 1st
when the child passes away.
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They have to go back in time
to somehow prove
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That she knew
that child abuse was going on
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Or that she should have known.
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The prosecution was able to find
that rebecca had taken pictures
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Of small bruises on ryder
going back 12 days
before the child dies.
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The state's position is that
the existence of those bruises
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Should have let rebecca know
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That the child was being abused,
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And that because of that,
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She should not leave the child
in the hands
of christopher trent.
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The first thing that happens
where there's anything noted
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About something wrong
with the child
is December 19th.
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Vance: What we have here
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Is definitely a bruise
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And it's pretty dark in color,
but it's not particularly large.
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If you see this picture,
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Is there any way you would say
beyond a reasonable doubt
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You're alerted
that this is child abuse?
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Casey: I don't think
you get close.
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Not with this picture.
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She does take ryder
to the doctor
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And he examines the ears,
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And I believe that,
from her recollection,
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Nothing is stated to be wrong.
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So this is, uh,
another photograph
taken by rebecca.
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Casey: To me, this looks like
a kid might have busted his lip.
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Might have run
into something face-first.
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Ryder is the kind of boy
who runs around, tumbles,
gets bruises, gets cuts,
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He's a "boys will be boys"
kind of deal.
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So far, we have
two pieces of evidence
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And there's not much here.
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And on the 21st,
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This is ten days
before the child passes away.
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So, you know, ten days ahead,
we don't have very much.
238
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The crux of the state's case
is gonna come
239
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From the photos taken on 12/29.
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So...
241
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Yeah, the December 29th pictures
are definitely the ones
242
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That start to bring
larger questions
about whether or not
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Ryder has actually been hurt
before the day that he dies.
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This photo is the first
where I think it's
more definitive bruising,
245
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Rather than the other pictures.
246
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Casey: I've done enough
child abuse cases
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Where I'm comfortable
looking at this
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And having
a high quality concern
249
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That this is child abuse.
250
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It's a little bit
of a larger bruise
251
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And it's a hairline bruise.
252
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Vance: But do you think
that the untrained eye
253
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Would be able to pick up
on these kinds of bruises
being child abuse?
254
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I don't think so.
255
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It's not one giant trauma
that occurred at once
256
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That should've sent off,
you know, alarms.
257
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How is the state
is going to explain
258
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That rebecca
is a negligent mother,
259
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When their only evidence
of abuse
260
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Is photos taken by rebecca
to record the incident?
261
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That doesn't scream
of negligence to me.
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Casey: The state's case here
263
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Is because
she took the pictures,
264
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She knew that
he was being abused.
265
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And they try to tie all of them
together to say
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The child was being abused
over this period of time
267
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And she should have
known about it
268
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Or she did know about it.
269
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At the time,
rebecca is not looking
for answers about this,
270
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She is just going piece by piece
and minute by minute
271
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Trying to get through work,
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Trying to get through
taking care of the baby,
273
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And trying to move on
to the next day.
274
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(pensive music playing)
275
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Hogue: I took the pictures
of the bruises
276
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Because I wasn't at home
when they occurred,
277
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And I wanted to ask chris
what happened.
278
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He told me that my son
never left his sight
279
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And I have nothing
to worry about
280
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And he loves my son
and he loves me
281
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And he would do anything
to protect us.
282
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So I never thought twice
about the injuries on my son.
283
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Being a first-time mom,
284
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Chris kind of
lessened my worries
285
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And told me,
"boys will be boys,"
286
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And, you know,
I was used to
287
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Seeing nicks and bruises
on my son
288
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And I've seen him fall face down
289
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Off his scooters and everything,
290
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And so I really didn't
think anything of it
291
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When he told me not to worry.
292
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Watching him interact
with my son,
293
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He would run and stop him
from doing things
that might get him hurt.
294
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And so, I never thought twice
of leaving my son in care...
295
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In the care of chris.
296
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(voice shaking)
I guess they wonder,
297
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How this could slip past me.
298
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But it did
because I didn't think I had
299
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Someone like that
in the home with us
300
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That would end up doing
what he did.
301
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(intense music playing)
302
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This recording was made
by a domestic violence advocate
for rebecca,
303
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Who was also working
at the police station.
304
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This advocate had a hunch
305
00:19:37,251 --> 00:19:40,827
That she wanted to start
recording a conversation
306
00:19:40,922 --> 00:19:45,183
Between her
and one of the detectives
on the case.
307
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The recording is very unusual
308
00:20:02,093 --> 00:20:05,094
Because you have
the lead detective on the case
309
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For the norman police department
310
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Openly stating that he believes
rebecca is innocent
of the crime.
311
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(detectives speaking
indistinctly over recording)
312
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Casey: This was a recording
between multiple detectives
who were assigned to the case.
313
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It's a very unusual recording
314
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Because law enforcement
is openly disagreeing
315
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With the choice by prosecutors
316
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To charge the person
317
00:20:38,796 --> 00:20:40,571
That is ultimately charged
with the crime.
318
00:20:55,237 --> 00:20:57,255
(tense music playing)
319
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It starts to call
into question the motives of
the district attorney's office
320
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Because the district attorney
doesn't interview
a single person.
321
00:21:13,940 --> 00:21:18,017
I believe they have decided
to charge rebecca
322
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Because they wanted
to put the blame on somebody
323
00:21:20,613 --> 00:21:22,571
For the death
of this sweet child.
324
00:21:28,179 --> 00:21:30,121
The evidence is very good
for the defense
325
00:21:30,272 --> 00:21:35,459
Because we want the jury
to be confronted with detectives
who get on the stand and say,
326
00:21:35,611 --> 00:21:38,370
"we never thought
that rebecca committed a crime."
327
00:21:38,523 --> 00:21:40,464
(suspenseful music playing)
328
00:21:50,977 --> 00:21:53,202
Casey: We know
that the state of oklahoma
329
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Is going to try
to paint christopher trent
330
00:21:55,648 --> 00:21:59,800
As malicious and bad of a guy
as humanly possible.
331
00:21:59,894 --> 00:22:03,321
They want to project an image
into the juror's head of,
332
00:22:03,472 --> 00:22:09,385
"why in the world would rebecca
have dated this guy?"
333
00:22:09,478 --> 00:22:11,720
And then a second question of,
334
00:22:11,739 --> 00:22:14,623
"why would she ever
let this person
babysit her child?"
335
00:22:23,158 --> 00:22:24,658
We need to meet it head on.
336
00:22:24,677 --> 00:22:26,585
And I think
the best way to do that
337
00:22:26,737 --> 00:22:29,847
Is to get behind rebecca's mind
338
00:22:29,998 --> 00:22:32,850
And find out everything
that she went through
339
00:22:33,077 --> 00:22:35,001
That may have
informed her decision
340
00:22:35,096 --> 00:22:37,930
That christopher trent
was a good candidate for dating.
341
00:22:38,024 --> 00:22:40,358
-Casey: Hey, how are you?
-Good. How are you?
342
00:22:40,509 --> 00:22:41,859
-Good, we can go right in here.
-Okay.
343
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,440
We've been able to figure out
from the prosecution
344
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That they're going to be
leaning in very heavily
345
00:22:51,612 --> 00:22:54,538
On this one big theme
in general, which is,
346
00:22:54,765 --> 00:22:57,616
"why would you be
dating christopher trent?"
347
00:22:57,710 --> 00:22:59,359
And then later,
348
00:22:59,379 --> 00:23:02,104
"why would you let
christopher trent
babysit ryder?"
349
00:23:02,197 --> 00:23:05,716
And at this point,
you know, ryder's dad,
he's not in the picture.
350
00:23:07,220 --> 00:23:08,386
Where's he at?
351
00:23:08,537 --> 00:23:10,129
Hogue: He was in jail.
352
00:23:10,281 --> 00:23:13,891
And that's partially
because of stuff
that he had done to you?
353
00:23:14,118 --> 00:23:15,726
Right.
354
00:23:15,878 --> 00:23:21,399
So you and chris started dating
towards the end of July, 2019.
355
00:23:21,550 --> 00:23:22,958
You all met online?
356
00:23:22,977 --> 00:23:25,552
-Yes.
-What were you seeing?
357
00:23:25,571 --> 00:23:28,555
I saw someone
with a good personality,
358
00:23:28,574 --> 00:23:30,866
A big smile,
someone easy to talk to.
359
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,152
At some point,
360
00:23:33,246 --> 00:23:39,065
You decide to move forward
with this relationship.
361
00:23:39,085 --> 00:23:40,142
Mmm-hmm.
362
00:23:40,235 --> 00:23:42,903
And you had kind of figured out,
363
00:23:42,922 --> 00:23:46,590
"okay, I know now
he's got a dui."
364
00:23:46,742 --> 00:23:48,333
How is that affecting you?
365
00:23:48,428 --> 00:23:52,988
Well, I know it's not ideal
to date anyone that's had a dui.
366
00:23:53,007 --> 00:23:54,581
But chris told me
367
00:23:54,675 --> 00:23:57,751
About the steps
he has been taking
to better himself
368
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:59,845
And I... I believed him.
369
00:23:59,939 --> 00:24:02,940
-'cause we know
the end result now.
-(sniffles)
370
00:24:04,335 --> 00:24:06,927
And so it's so much easier
for us to say,
371
00:24:06,946 --> 00:24:10,522
This person
had issues with violence.
372
00:24:10,675 --> 00:24:12,858
Are you seeing
any of that as you're dating?
373
00:24:13,010 --> 00:24:14,693
No.
374
00:24:14,787 --> 00:24:17,746
Had you been through
domestic violence issues before?
375
00:24:19,033 --> 00:24:20,106
Yes.
376
00:24:20,126 --> 00:24:22,017
My mom was abused.
377
00:24:22,110 --> 00:24:27,631
And then my first boyfriend,
when I was 15,
started abusing me.
378
00:24:27,858 --> 00:24:30,784
And then I went
to another man
who abused me
379
00:24:30,803 --> 00:24:32,636
And it just was a chain of...
380
00:24:33,306 --> 00:24:34,430
Of men that...
381
00:24:35,308 --> 00:24:36,140
I mean, it's...
382
00:24:38,293 --> 00:24:40,144
I've had men choke me.
383
00:24:41,147 --> 00:24:41,979
Hit me.
384
00:24:43,541 --> 00:24:45,708
I've been thrown
out of a moving car.
385
00:24:45,801 --> 00:24:47,634
I've had my clothes bleached.
386
00:24:47,728 --> 00:24:51,780
I've been beaten so bad
that I thought
I was going to die.
387
00:24:53,159 --> 00:24:56,994
I've had guns
pulled on me. I've...
388
00:24:59,223 --> 00:25:04,243
So when we get,
you know, back to 2019,
389
00:25:04,395 --> 00:25:06,895
Is chris reminding you
of anything like that?
390
00:25:06,989 --> 00:25:10,415
No, he was
a breath of fresh air.
391
00:25:10,568 --> 00:25:12,251
Chris didn't raise
his voice at me.
392
00:25:12,403 --> 00:25:16,347
He told me he didn't
put his hands on women.
393
00:25:16,498 --> 00:25:20,518
Was he aware that you had been
through all this different
stuff before?
394
00:25:20,745 --> 00:25:22,686
Yeah. And he told me
I was safe with him.
395
00:25:27,676 --> 00:25:29,509
Casey: This is a situation
where it looks pretty clear
396
00:25:29,529 --> 00:25:32,588
That christopher trent is
manipulating her into believing,
397
00:25:32,681 --> 00:25:34,273
"I'm the man of your dreams."
398
00:25:34,425 --> 00:25:36,258
It had immense words for her.
399
00:25:36,277 --> 00:25:38,761
And so that's why
she couldn't see it,
400
00:25:38,779 --> 00:25:42,264
Was because of everything
he was representing
himself to be.
401
00:25:42,283 --> 00:25:45,284
And so, trying to make a jury
understand that
402
00:25:45,436 --> 00:25:48,045
Is the most important
evidentiary thing.
403
00:25:54,111 --> 00:25:55,444
(suspenseful music playing)
404
00:25:55,462 --> 00:25:58,447
I think rebecca's case
is going to come down
405
00:25:58,540 --> 00:26:00,465
To whether or not
the jury believes
406
00:26:00,618 --> 00:26:03,452
That she should have been dating
christopher trent.
407
00:26:03,545 --> 00:26:06,212
So, as backwards as it seems,
408
00:26:06,307 --> 00:26:10,383
We actually are really looking
for witnesses who will tell us
409
00:26:10,477 --> 00:26:14,479
About how great
christopher trent
appeared as a person
410
00:26:14,574 --> 00:26:17,533
And say, "yeah, he really did,
he put on the charm."
411
00:26:20,321 --> 00:26:22,228
I understand that you know
rebecca pretty well.
412
00:26:22,248 --> 00:26:24,564
Yes. We were both
cocktail waitresses.
413
00:26:24,584 --> 00:26:28,977
So, when did you
first meet chris trent?
414
00:26:28,996 --> 00:26:30,588
Um, it was their first date.
415
00:26:30,739 --> 00:26:32,314
She had mentioned
that she had met a guy
and we're like,
416
00:26:32,333 --> 00:26:34,983
"well, let's all go out together
for your first time."
417
00:26:35,002 --> 00:26:37,261
He shook our hands,
was very, you know, polite.
418
00:26:37,488 --> 00:26:39,579
He was so respectful
and he was easy to talk to,
419
00:26:39,673 --> 00:26:41,081
Like, carried on a conversation
420
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:43,583
To where he was
a very likable person.
421
00:26:43,603 --> 00:26:47,179
-He didn't raise any eyebrows,
suspicion or concern?
-No, not at all.
422
00:26:47,273 --> 00:26:50,232
I mean, he was just
a really nice, genuine person.
423
00:26:56,190 --> 00:26:58,598
Vance: So, through your
friendship with rebecca,
424
00:26:58,618 --> 00:27:00,509
You got to observe her
as a mother.
425
00:27:00,527 --> 00:27:02,845
Was there any indication
that she was neglectful?
426
00:27:02,863 --> 00:27:04,938
No, not at all.
427
00:27:05,032 --> 00:27:08,016
If he went out, she was
right there with him outside.
428
00:27:08,110 --> 00:27:09,852
She was
very protective of ryder.
429
00:27:09,945 --> 00:27:12,112
Very, very protective of him.
430
00:27:12,206 --> 00:27:14,857
Based on, you know,
knowing rebecca
for almost a decade,
431
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:16,133
Even with everything you know,
432
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:17,784
Would you trust her
with your kids?
433
00:27:17,803 --> 00:27:19,695
-I would trust her now.
-Yeah.
434
00:27:19,713 --> 00:27:21,639
I do. I trust her with my life.
435
00:27:21,790 --> 00:27:23,599
I trust her
with my babies' lives.
436
00:27:24,535 --> 00:27:25,976
She's a wonderful person.
437
00:27:26,887 --> 00:27:27,978
A wonderful person.
438
00:27:31,892 --> 00:27:35,043
Vance: The thought
that the jury are going to
come together,
439
00:27:35,062 --> 00:27:36,895
Hear this whole story
that's been humanized,
440
00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:38,781
That I don't think
the prosecutors care about,
441
00:27:40,067 --> 00:27:42,159
And then say conclusively,
442
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:45,404
Beyond a reasonable doubt,
she knew there was abuse,
443
00:27:45,556 --> 00:27:49,057
She willingly ignored it
and that this is murder,
444
00:27:49,151 --> 00:27:51,669
Is just, I think, ridiculous.
445
00:27:59,512 --> 00:28:01,595
(dramatic music playing)
446
00:28:10,172 --> 00:28:13,248
Casey: We brought
rebecca in to deal
with some prosecution evidence
447
00:28:13,267 --> 00:28:16,268
Because they found
some pdf documents on her phone
448
00:28:16,420 --> 00:28:18,946
About "what are signs
of child abuse."
449
00:28:20,032 --> 00:28:21,699
So, they're going to treat it as
450
00:28:21,926 --> 00:28:24,201
One of their biggest pieces
of evidence and say,
451
00:28:24,352 --> 00:28:28,205
"see, she was looking for signs
of child abuse on the internet
452
00:28:28,432 --> 00:28:31,041
"at the same time
this was happening."
453
00:28:31,268 --> 00:28:36,104
It's probably one of the only
big problems in the case
454
00:28:36,123 --> 00:28:38,531
As far as what this piece
of evidence is.
455
00:28:38,625 --> 00:28:40,459
Now, I don't see it as fatal,
456
00:28:40,611 --> 00:28:45,038
And I do see it as something
that there is a reasonable
explanation for.
457
00:28:45,057 --> 00:28:46,807
But we gotta figure that out
with rebecca.
458
00:28:55,234 --> 00:28:59,978
It's christmas eve
and you download this document.
459
00:29:00,072 --> 00:29:01,813
I'm just always on high alert
460
00:29:01,907 --> 00:29:05,634
In any relationship
for myself and for my son.
461
00:29:05,727 --> 00:29:10,806
It was just something
that I researched
just for peace of mind.
462
00:29:10,899 --> 00:29:14,567
Casey: The state's
going to make a big deal
out of this document.
463
00:29:14,587 --> 00:29:16,587
Did you read this first section?
464
00:29:16,814 --> 00:29:18,330
Hogue: Well,
looking at this document,
465
00:29:18,424 --> 00:29:23,151
It would say my child would show
sudden changes in behavior,
466
00:29:23,170 --> 00:29:25,153
Which he had not.
467
00:29:25,247 --> 00:29:29,266
No learning problems.
My son was very inquisitive
and very curious.
468
00:29:29,417 --> 00:29:33,328
And so, let's just walk through
these signs of physical abuse.
469
00:29:33,347 --> 00:29:37,941
No burns. No bites,
no broken bones,
no black eyes on my son.
470
00:29:38,168 --> 00:29:41,945
Did he have any points
where he seemed frightened
471
00:29:42,172 --> 00:29:43,855
Whenever he had to stay
with chris?
472
00:29:43,949 --> 00:29:48,452
No. Never did that.
If anything, he was running
towards chris.
473
00:29:48,603 --> 00:29:52,456
What was your conclusion
at the end of reading
that document?
474
00:29:52,607 --> 00:29:54,750
That there was no child abuse
going on in my home.
475
00:29:56,687 --> 00:29:58,687
Casey: The state's stretching
with this piece of evidence.
476
00:29:58,705 --> 00:30:01,857
The narrative
that they're trying to promote
477
00:30:01,875 --> 00:30:04,450
Is that she should have
immediately known
478
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:07,546
That child abuse was at risk
from these two injuries.
479
00:30:07,698 --> 00:30:12,551
That is such a very lofty thing
to expect of somebody
in the general public.
480
00:30:12,703 --> 00:30:15,370
For her to look
for all the signs is one thing,
481
00:30:15,463 --> 00:30:19,041
And then for her
to make a conclusion
is a totally different thing.
482
00:30:19,059 --> 00:30:21,819
And they have to prove
that she knew,
483
00:30:22,046 --> 00:30:24,304
And that's totally different
than suspected.
484
00:30:24,323 --> 00:30:27,825
If you're searching,
"what is child abuse?"
485
00:30:27,976 --> 00:30:31,311
Then it leads to the idea
that you didn't know
something was child abuse.
486
00:30:31,405 --> 00:30:37,075
But they're still going to try
to run this one up the flagpole
as many times as they can.
487
00:30:37,227 --> 00:30:39,169
So part of our strategy
is really simple,
488
00:30:39,321 --> 00:30:40,912
We're here to show
that the conclusions
they reached
489
00:30:41,006 --> 00:30:43,006
About you were wrong.
490
00:30:44,176 --> 00:30:46,176
(dramatic music playing)
491
00:30:53,668 --> 00:30:56,520
Hogue: Today,
we're going to my storage unit.
492
00:30:56,671 --> 00:31:00,524
I have to just think
of the worst possibility
493
00:31:00,751 --> 00:31:02,767
And that would be
they do convict me,
494
00:31:02,862 --> 00:31:07,772
And me being sent to prison
for the rest of my life.
495
00:31:07,867 --> 00:31:11,368
And so, I have to get
all my belongings in one spot.
496
00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:26,866
It definitely feels like
every materialistic thing
I have is here,
497
00:31:26,886 --> 00:31:30,387
But it's also everything in here
498
00:31:30,614 --> 00:31:34,374
I worked for,
I bought, I paid for.
499
00:31:34,393 --> 00:31:35,309
Um...
500
00:31:37,379 --> 00:31:40,138
So it's...
It's very insulting to me
501
00:31:40,232 --> 00:31:43,358
To have lost my son, my home.
502
00:31:44,962 --> 00:31:46,236
And now
503
00:31:47,131 --> 00:31:49,055
It comes to this.
504
00:31:49,149 --> 00:31:50,490
All my stuff in a unit.
505
00:31:54,821 --> 00:31:56,972
I'm facing life in prison.
506
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:59,416
So it's... It's either...
507
00:32:00,753 --> 00:32:02,419
It's all or nothing right now.
508
00:32:14,324 --> 00:32:16,266
(ominous music playing)
509
00:32:16,418 --> 00:32:18,418
Casey: They're going
to come in there
510
00:32:18,437 --> 00:32:20,162
And try to say
everything negative
511
00:32:20,180 --> 00:32:22,230
And I've gotta punch 'em
in the mouth real fast.
512
00:32:24,184 --> 00:32:26,276
I've really got to be able
to go in there
513
00:32:27,446 --> 00:32:29,020
And start throwing haymakers.
514
00:32:29,173 --> 00:32:30,280
It's not a time to be meek.
515
00:32:36,288 --> 00:32:37,955
The fight starts now.
516
00:32:38,106 --> 00:32:39,623
We get a jury
and the fight starts now.
517
00:32:44,371 --> 00:32:46,421
(pensive music playing)
518
00:33:03,148 --> 00:33:04,723
Casey: Hearing
the state's opening,
519
00:33:04,817 --> 00:33:07,484
And I'll be honest,
there was a lot of the opening
520
00:33:07,635 --> 00:33:10,045
That was just
devoid of accuracy.
521
00:33:10,063 --> 00:33:14,566
The prosecution
is 100% trying to say
that rebecca just knew
522
00:33:14,660 --> 00:33:17,477
He was being abused
and just tried to hide it.
523
00:33:17,496 --> 00:33:18,903
As far as what their
strategy goes,
524
00:33:18,998 --> 00:33:21,498
I assumed it would be
a little bit more reasonable.
525
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:25,818
So we'll see what else they have
as we kind of get closer to it.
526
00:33:25,912 --> 00:33:27,671
(intense music playing)
527
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,660
Shelby montgomery: Today,
we heard testimony
from a medical examiner
528
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,829
Who revealed the extent
of the injuries.
529
00:33:36,849 --> 00:33:42,077
They revealed that the cause
of the death was a homicide
by blunt force trauma.
530
00:33:42,095 --> 00:33:44,021
(suspenseful music playing)
531
00:33:47,526 --> 00:33:49,768
Hogue: Definitely
the roughest so far.
532
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,604
No mother should have to hear
533
00:33:52,698 --> 00:33:56,867
Or see or be around
what the state presented today.
534
00:33:57,018 --> 00:33:59,202
It was awful.
535
00:34:03,283 --> 00:34:07,193
Casey: The question is
what she knew
or should have known,
536
00:34:07,212 --> 00:34:11,197
And nothing
that we looked at today
helped us get to that answer.
537
00:34:11,216 --> 00:34:12,624
The reason that you show a jury,
538
00:34:12,776 --> 00:34:16,053
"see all these gruesome
horror show pictures
539
00:34:16,204 --> 00:34:18,947
"and have
an emotional response to it,"
540
00:34:18,965 --> 00:34:22,784
Where they want
to do justice for somebody.
541
00:34:22,803 --> 00:34:26,638
The only person they can do
anything to is rebecca,
542
00:34:26,732 --> 00:34:28,957
And you're hoping
to motivate them to do that.
543
00:34:28,975 --> 00:34:31,126
It's...
544
00:34:31,144 --> 00:34:34,362
It's very difficult right now.
It's just unbearable for her.
545
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,204
(suspenseful music playing)
546
00:34:55,168 --> 00:34:59,429
Casey: Today started
taking a turn for the worse
around the lunchtime hour.
547
00:34:59,581 --> 00:35:05,418
The prosecution stood up and
said that they wanted to object
to a bunch of our witnesses.
548
00:35:05,512 --> 00:35:11,441
And one by one, we lost several
different motions that the state
raised at the very last minute.
549
00:35:26,625 --> 00:35:28,850
Casey: And all that the jury
is left with at this point
550
00:35:28,869 --> 00:35:31,628
Is, "well, the cops didn't do
a thorough investigation."
551
00:35:31,855 --> 00:35:34,372
It just didn't have
an impact to it
552
00:35:34,524 --> 00:35:36,207
For what the detective
was able to talk about
553
00:35:36,301 --> 00:35:39,027
Because we didn't get to ask him
any of the "why" questions.
554
00:35:39,045 --> 00:35:41,096
(intense music playing)
555
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,706
The carvings basically,
in this case,
were a suicide note.
556
00:35:51,725 --> 00:35:54,225
A dying declaration
from christopher trent
557
00:35:54,378 --> 00:35:57,154
Saying that he was guilty
and saying rebecca is innocent.
558
00:35:57,305 --> 00:35:58,780
We couldn't
present it to a jury.
559
00:36:05,739 --> 00:36:08,498
Casey: Because the abuse
wasn't "physical,"
560
00:36:08,725 --> 00:36:11,501
It led to a situation
where we got ruled out
561
00:36:11,653 --> 00:36:14,153
On getting to introduce
our domestic violence expert
562
00:36:14,173 --> 00:36:18,566
To talk about why rebecca
was acting in certain ways
that she was acting.
563
00:36:18,585 --> 00:36:20,585
And that's kind of the point
of the defense.
564
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:23,305
She was being abused.
She just didn't see it.
565
00:36:30,096 --> 00:36:32,430
That left us in a moment
where we had to scramble
566
00:36:32,524 --> 00:36:35,600
And re-put together
what our defense case was.
567
00:36:35,752 --> 00:36:38,937
Then we proceeded
with about five witnesses
that got up there to talk,
568
00:36:39,031 --> 00:36:41,606
But we were all hamstrung
with every witness that we had
569
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:44,201
Because some of them
couldn't get into certain topics
570
00:36:44,352 --> 00:36:46,494
And some of them
couldn't give
their full opinion on things.
571
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:54,619
We had very strong witnesses
that we were planning on using
572
00:36:54,771 --> 00:36:56,621
Without rebecca testifying.
573
00:36:56,773 --> 00:36:59,382
And now we've gotta
make decisions tonight
574
00:36:59,534 --> 00:37:01,551
About whether rebecca
will or will not testify.
575
00:37:01,703 --> 00:37:04,295
These are "heat of the moment"
questions sometimes,
576
00:37:04,389 --> 00:37:06,348
And so sometimes
you can make
a wrong decision.
577
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:09,726
Ultimately,
it's not my decision.
578
00:37:09,877 --> 00:37:11,210
It's rebecca's decision.
579
00:37:11,230 --> 00:37:12,729
Rebecca has to make that choice.
580
00:37:17,310 --> 00:37:19,236
(suspenseful music playing)
581
00:37:23,909 --> 00:37:25,909
Hogue: Last night,
my attorney called me
582
00:37:26,060 --> 00:37:27,819
And asked me
if I wanted to testify,
583
00:37:27,971 --> 00:37:29,395
And I couldn't sleep.
584
00:37:29,414 --> 00:37:33,583
I want to testify
because I'm fighting
for my life.
585
00:37:34,569 --> 00:37:35,827
It's a hard decision.
586
00:37:35,921 --> 00:37:38,404
I'm afraid they're going
to twist me up on dates
587
00:37:38,423 --> 00:37:41,091
(voice breaking) and times
and things that I've...
588
00:37:42,261 --> 00:37:43,334
(sniffles)
589
00:37:43,487 --> 00:37:44,836
I haven't focused on
590
00:37:44,988 --> 00:37:47,413
'cause I don't
really walk myself
591
00:37:47,432 --> 00:37:49,432
Through my son's death every day
592
00:37:50,585 --> 00:37:52,269
And how everything happened.
593
00:37:52,938 --> 00:37:54,012
(sobs)
594
00:37:54,164 --> 00:37:55,397
If they convict me,
595
00:37:56,591 --> 00:37:58,257
Then that man's taken
596
00:37:58,351 --> 00:38:00,277
My son's life and my life.
597
00:38:01,947 --> 00:38:03,780
(dramatic music playing)
598
00:38:13,533 --> 00:38:16,626
Casey: If you think you can
get up there and do a good job,
599
00:38:16,853 --> 00:38:19,537
Then get up there
and do a good job.
600
00:38:19,631 --> 00:38:21,947
But make that decision
from a place of freedom
601
00:38:21,967 --> 00:38:26,044
Because you think,
"I need to do it.
I want to do it."
602
00:38:26,138 --> 00:38:27,378
Hogue: I want to.
603
00:38:27,531 --> 00:38:29,455
Casey: Are you sure?
604
00:38:29,474 --> 00:38:32,550
We have to
let the judge know at 8:30.
605
00:38:32,702 --> 00:38:34,644
-We've got to get over there.
-Vance: We do.
606
00:38:58,170 --> 00:39:02,580
Casey: It was clear
how just petrified she was.
607
00:39:02,732 --> 00:39:07,919
She was not able
to answer questions,
to even form full sentences.
608
00:39:08,071 --> 00:39:12,090
And that was something
where I felt like
609
00:39:12,242 --> 00:39:14,759
This is a very real risk for her
610
00:39:14,911 --> 00:39:17,095
That if she's not
in a mental place
611
00:39:17,189 --> 00:39:20,264
Where she can stand up
and fight for herself,
612
00:39:20,417 --> 00:39:22,359
That they might get her to admit
613
00:39:22,586 --> 00:39:24,510
To any number
of different things.
614
00:39:24,604 --> 00:39:27,255
Not because she's actually
guilty or actually thinks it,
615
00:39:27,273 --> 00:39:30,367
But because she is in
real pushover mode
at this point.
616
00:39:42,214 --> 00:39:44,047
Casey: Twelve people
are going to make a decision.
617
00:39:45,609 --> 00:39:47,609
And that decision will determine
618
00:39:47,702 --> 00:39:51,963
Whether or not rebecca
gets to go home
and sleep in her bed
619
00:39:52,115 --> 00:39:54,966
And continue her life
and her dreams
620
00:39:55,118 --> 00:39:57,894
Or whether
she loses her freedom
for the rest of her life.
621
00:40:08,907 --> 00:40:10,815
Hogue: I have to have faith
in the justice system
622
00:40:10,967 --> 00:40:12,242
That they're
going to figure this out.
623
00:40:15,321 --> 00:40:17,080
(suspenseful music playing)
624
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,893
Brya berry: Rebecca hogue
found guilty on first degree
murder charges.
625
00:40:40,013 --> 00:40:41,438
(speaking indistinctly)
626
00:40:42,832 --> 00:40:44,348
Berry: Hogue's attorney
emotional
627
00:40:44,501 --> 00:40:46,943
As they watch rebecca
being carried away in handcuffs.
628
00:40:49,522 --> 00:40:51,096
Very emotional day
in court today.
629
00:40:51,116 --> 00:40:52,523
We're live in norman.
630
00:40:52,676 --> 00:40:54,075
Brya berry oklahoma's news 4.
631
00:40:58,606 --> 00:41:02,274
Casey: It's a "pit in
your stomach" feeling
where it just drops out
632
00:41:02,294 --> 00:41:04,794
Whenever you hear
the verdict go against her.
633
00:41:07,023 --> 00:41:10,191
They took this tragedy,
this death of a child
634
00:41:10,210 --> 00:41:13,861
And got the jury angry enough
where they would go with it.
635
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,306
Everything right now
is still focused on rebecca
636
00:41:16,533 --> 00:41:20,535
And trying to make sure
that we do the best that we can
ahead of her sentencing.
637
00:41:20,628 --> 00:41:25,056
Ultimately, it's a judge
that has to enter
a sentence in this case,
638
00:41:25,150 --> 00:41:27,633
And so we have a lot of fight
that we have to go through.
639
00:41:27,727 --> 00:41:29,652
(melancholy music playing)
640
00:41:37,645 --> 00:41:39,787
(suspenseful music playing)
641
00:41:44,577 --> 00:41:47,003
Reporter: At Friday's
sentencing, hogue saying...
642
00:41:48,231 --> 00:41:50,340
(reading)
643
00:42:04,097 --> 00:42:06,931
Reporter: Judge michael tupper
overruling the jury's decision
644
00:42:07,025 --> 00:42:09,767
For her to spend
life behind bars, saying...
645
00:42:09,861 --> 00:42:12,529
(reading)
646
00:42:22,115 --> 00:42:24,523
Unmitigated tragedy
647
00:42:24,617 --> 00:42:28,027
About what she went through
and what her child went through
648
00:42:28,046 --> 00:42:29,604
And there's parts of it
where I would wake up vomiting
649
00:42:29,622 --> 00:42:31,289
During this trial
650
00:42:31,383 --> 00:42:33,716
Just knowing what happened
to that poor soul.
651
00:42:36,112 --> 00:42:41,391
I am thrilled that
we get her back in our life
in about 13 months.