- I received a call on a Saturday morning
approximately 9 o'clock,
of a lady that was missing.
- One of the officers found droplets of blood.
- A home invasion is just a little unheard of in this area.
- LARRY: He'd told him that he would gladly give someone
$70,000 to have his ex-wife disappear.
- SGT. PEAK: There was a large pool of blood.
Something very serious had happened to Pat Kimmi.
- RITA: It was confusing.
Did she go for a walk and something happened to her?
- GERALD: We couldn't prove there was a homicide.
There was no body.
She pointed at the ground, there it was.
- MALE NARRATOR: Five unique perspectives,
five points of view, one murder.
- RITA: I'm Pat Kimmi's daughter.
- SGT. PEAK: I was the first responding officer--
- LARRY: I was the lead investigator on the case.
- TONY: Patricia Kimmi was my mother.
- GERALD: I was the Atchison County attorney.
- ♪♪
- ♪
- RITA: I'm Rita Boller, and I'm Pat Kimmi's daughter.
It was a Saturday morning,
and I was at home with my family.
Um, I actually had a doctor's appointment with my son,
so we were kind of scurrying around trying to get ready
when I had a phone call,
and I saw on caller ID that it was Sharon Blakely,
my mom's best friend.
She said, "Your mom was supposed to go with me
"to St. Joe today, but I haven't heard from her.
"I think you just need to go check on her
and make sure she's okay."
So, I said that I would.
It was a beautiful, sunny morning.
As I pulled up to the house,
the first thing I noticed is that her front door was open.
There's a little plywood gate
that usually was blocking the stairway
for her little dog that she would let out on the porch,
but that was about halfway down the sidewalk,
cracked in half.
Her little dog is looking out the window
and I'm calling out "Mom," I don't get any response.
So, as I went in the house, it doesn't appear that
there's anything really out of the ordinary.
Um, I can see that her-- the office light is on,
and it looked like she was just there.
Um, she had a drink next to the computer,
she had her cell phone next to the computer.
And that was when I kind of had that moment of panic
that...my mom was not here last night.
- ♪
- My mom came from a small family.
Mostly she grew up around Effingham, Kansas--
very small town, uh, rural, on a farm.
I think her dream would have been to be a veterinarian,
but, um, ultimately, she met my father, Eugene Kimmi.
They went to high school together.
It's a very small town.
They had mutual friends, um, and started dating
and probably six months after they graduated,
they got married.
I had three other brothers close in age
and that really just took up her life.
Um, she didn't work, that was really not--
not something that Eugene wanted her to do.
I don't believe their marriage was ever really good.
He was not a happy person and he drank all the time.
My earliest memories of Eugene are of being drunk
and being angry.
You know, the yelling, the name calling,
shoving over furniture.
My mom, she didn't stand up to him very often,
and I would get really angry with her about that,
but she said, "That just makes it worse,
it's--it's easier if you just let it blow over."
We considered ourselves lucky, I think, if--if it was
an evening that maybe he just drank and passed out.
Eugene inherited the--the family business--
a lumber and sawmill business.
It was basically him running it then
with my cousin and brothers.
Although it was in his name, they--they did a lot of the work
because you just couldn't count on when he was going to...
get out of bed and go to work.
You can say that people have a drinking problem
or they're an alcoholic, but I--I think
his mentality and his personality was just--
there was something there that was even beyond the drinking.
I can't imagine how hard that was,
but you did not see that in her life,
you didn't see it on her face,
it's not something that she talked to us about.
One Mother's Day, my brothers and I,
we put some money together so she could go to Tennessee
with some friends.
After she returned from the trip, she mentioned
that there were some things out of place in the house,
and she just felt like there might have been
someone else at the house.
It wasn't until my brothers came to me that they had done
a little more digging into it and found that there was
another woman involved.
After all those years of the treatment
that she took from him, we went to her and said,
"We think it's time for you to leave."
I think Eugene was okay with the divorce
because he saw this as the easy way out.
"She's filed and I can go on with this other woman
and do whatever I wanna do."
Until the idea of the finances comes up.
The divorce process drug on for--for over a year.
He was just not open to any amount of money
that was gonna let her live on her own
or even be able to have a home to live in.
The judge saw the truth and he just split it down the middle.
For her, that meant that she could live a normal life.
That was the least that she deserved
for everything that she had put up with for all those years.
She's a creature of habit. I couldn't think of where
she would be that early in the morning--it was 8:30
on a Saturday morning, and she hadn't said
that she was going anywhere, so, my mind didn't want to go
to a place where something could be so wrong.
I just started calling.
I called my brothers all first.
The first one to get there was my brother Tony.
So, I watched him as he got out, and he's looking at all
the same things that I did. He came inside and,
"I think that we need to call the sheriff."
Deputy Peak looked everything over as well
and asked if we had touched anything.
Um, he then asked
if we thought there was someone who would want
to harm our mom.
The only person who had ever threatened her
was our father, Eugene.
I thought a lot, growing up,
about the things that he threatened, you know,
there were times that he threatened to kill us.
And...in my mind I just thought, you know,
this is-- this is how it happens.
- ♪
- I'm Sergeant Jeremy Peak.
I work for the Atchison County Sheriff's Office,
I was the first responding officer to the Kimmi residence.
As I approached, there was probably eight to ten cars
that had already gathered there that was family members.
They were all standing out in the front yard.
Rita began telling me that she had received a call
from Sharon Blakely.
They were supposed to go on a shopping trip that morning,
and Sharon wasn't able to get a hold of Pat by phone.
I was told that this was very unusual for their mother,
that she usually always has a phone on her,
she's, uh--stays in contact, she's not the type of person
to just up and leave somewhere without, um, her belongings.
When we first walked up to the front porch,
there was several decorative items knocked over,
some were broke, some were knocked
completely off the porch.
The door was partially open and the thing that
caught my attention the most was that the deadbolt lock
was out like it had been-- someone was trying to lock it.
My gut feeling, something had happened in that home.
I immediately called my supervisors,
they, uh, granted me permission
to get other people, other agencies involved.
One of the questions I asked the family--
all of the kids was--is: did they know anybody
that could have done this to their mother?
They all gave me the same answer,it was just immediate,
that they believe their father, Eugene Kimmi, had something
to do with their mother's disappearance.
My impressions were that Eugene was very upset
about losing lots of money
through the divorce and alimony payments.
There was, uh, two detectives
from the Atchison Police Department
had responded to the scene to assist,
and I had asked them to go visit Eugene Kimmi.
When they arrived, they found Eugene sitting in an office
and he was drinking beer.
And they-- he was very cooperative,
he allowed them to, uh, look through the sawmill,
look through his truck and his office,
and he answered some questions,
but he positively denied having anything to do
with Pat's disappearance.
He had stayed home the night before
and watched a movie, is what he had told them.
And--but he had talked to his girlfriend on the phone.
We followed up with the girlfriend
and verified that he was on the phone with her
at that particular time.
It didn't rule him out as a suspect by any means,
we just felt that he had been truthful with us.
KBI agent Dwayne Robair and I were photographing the house
when we had heard somebody yell that we needed to come out
and check the driveway.
There was an area approximately 18 to 24 inches in circumference
and it was just itty bitty blood droplets,
and they were all within this circle,
and it appeared to be fresh.
During all this there's, of course, other things
going on in the investigation.
One of our deputies responded to the scene from home
and I had sent him to do a neighborhood canvas.
While he was out, found a ball cap
sitting in the middle of the road.
It was a standard ball cap, it was camouflaged in color,
and it had the words "Saylor Insurance"
written on the cap.
He photographed it, and then collected it
into a, uh, evidence sack and returned that to the office,
into our evidence room.
Also during this time, I had called a dog group
that assist in missing persons cases,
and they brought several dogs with them
and their handlers.
Everybody just wanted to pitch in.
There was people that didn't even know Pat Kimmi
or the family, and they wanted to just come out and help.
And we began forming search lines
and just walking in the property and the roadways.
One officer was with part of the search team.
They were, um, out on the side of the road
looking around and somebody had noticed a truck
pull onto the road.
When the officer went to find out who it was,
the truck had turned the lights off and disappeared.
Possibly could be a suspect coming back to the area
to make sure that he didn't drop something
during the commission of the crime.
Around 10 o'clock, I remember the sheriff called everybody
on the radio and, uh, suggested maybe we all go home,
get a good night's sleep, come back out
first thing in the morning and start again.
- [birds chirping]
- ♪
- SGT. PEAK: That second day we searched miles around her--
her residence trying to locate her.
We weren't 100% sure what happened at that point,
and we were just trying to find anything.
Two of the detectives located, I believe, a money clip.
It had some kind of old coin attached to it,
like an old silver dollar.
It had some-- a wad of bills folded up,
tucked inside this money clip,
and the bills were soaked in blood.
I also found a Crown Royal sack that had, uh, .22 Magnum shells.
And on that roadside, there was a large pool of blood.
It had soaked under the ground, obviously,
but the grass had been stained.
That second scene just reinforced that something
obviously very serious had happened to Pat Kimmi.
- ♪
- SGT. PEAK: A search team working approximately a mile
west of the residence had located a receipt
laying on the side of the road for Walmart.
The receipt stood out because the purchase of the, um, items
was the night before we were called to the scene.
We used that receipt to go to the Walmart
and obtain surveillance video to see who was on the receipt,
to find out if that was somebody we could go talk to.
It showed a young man, a young female,
they walked up to a counter and they paid for some items.
We concluded that the person on the video was
a police officer's son, out of the city of Horton,
and we interviewed him.
- ♪
- SGT. PEAK: He basically told officers that, uh,
he was, uh, just out in the area
hanging out with his girlfriend,
they had, uh, just found a place to kinda park
and they hung out, had a cooler.
He took her home, and then, uh,
realized he forgot a cooler in the back of his truck.
So, he returned to the area
and he noticed a red-colored truck
that had dual wheels and yellow cab lights,
and he had saw somebody--
some kind of movement in the grass
and he took it as somebody was working on the truck.
His girlfriend was able to corroborate the story,
but it gave us insight into very good information.
He was able to place a vehicle within that crime scene,
and we knew that there was actually some kind of struggle.
Immediately, we remembered the truck with cab lights
that pulled into where the officers
were searching alongside the road.
It's one thing to have a good description
of a suspect vehicle, but it's gonna be
a whole 'nother thing to find it.
- ♪
- I'm Tony Kimmi. Patricia Kimmi was my mother.
When Rita called me, I drove out there,
and it was like she had disappeared.
Just not there.
When the detectives told us that they didn't think
Eugene Kimmi was involved, initially, we doubted them.
We knew in our hearts in some way, shape or form,
he was involved in this.
Eugene Kimmi was the only name that anybody could come up with
that would want to harm her.
He was verbally very abusive. Very abusive.
I don't know if there was a name he didn't call her.
Our mother was the type of person that didn't want
to see us kids upset, hurt, or anything,
so I think she kept a lot in.
Dealing with an alcoholic, and the way he was,
there was a lot more that carried on
that we probably didn't know about,
and she was always wanting to protect us.
The detectives come back and said that
they're fairly confident Eugene's not involved.
"If there's any other names out there, let us know."
And so we all start throwing out names.
She had her house moved in.
It was a modular home, but there was other work
that she needed done.
She hired a contractor to come in,
and he was there quite often doing odds and ends work,
and fixing up her house as needed to be.
The contractor's name came up because he was kind of only
the other male figure that was in her life at that time.
There was a key box set
on the outside of our mother's home,
and he had access to that key box to go in
and do the work as needed.
So that was another thing on our mind that, "Well,
he had a lot of access to the house."
- ♪
- TONY: The detectives went and investigated him.
The contractor did drive a red truck that matched
kind of the description.
They found blood in the bed of his truck.
So, we was like-- it was like...
"It's him, it's him. What else could it be?"
The question is: why? Why would he want to harm her?
Nothing was stolen from the house.
No money was taken.
What was his motive, if it was him?
They did say that he was very cooperative
and allowed them to search wherever, whenever they wanted,
so that was another twist and turn, like,
"Well, if he did do it, why is he being so cooperative?"
It's just--your mind didn't know what to think at that point.
It seemed like then every hour was like an eternity,
because we wasn't finding out the ultimate result of this.
- ♪
- TONY: Some searchers had found a ball cap
with "Saylor Insurance" on it.
Initially we blew it off like, "Well, it's just a ball cap.
It doesn't mean nothing."
The only thing that stood out to me with Saylor Insurance
is they were an insurance group from Sabetha, Kansas.
Detective Larry Myers went to Saylor Insurance
and got a list of clients that was approximately 300 people,
and presented it to us at the fire department in Horton.
That's basically where everybody met to be assigned
where to search and when and how to search.
So that was basically our base camp at that time.
My brother Gene was going down through the list,
and I noticed his finger was sitting on the name
Roger Hollister.
And he says, "I know this guy.
He's done business at the sawmill."
He did drive a red dually truck at the time.
Everything seemed to be matching with him.
And we had our hopes up that, "Okay, we're onto something."
- ♪
- TONY: The evening that they interviewed him,
the law enforcement came back and said, "It's not him.
He's just a frail, old man."
He had a neck brace on and walking with a cane.
And it just pretty much came off to the law enforcement
that there's no way this guy could be involved in it.
There's no way.
Law enforcement asked Roger Hollister
about his red dually.
And he said that he had sold it prior to Mom going missing.
You could see in their eyes that like,
"Wow, where do we go now?"
That was probably one of the toughest days
in this case.
One of the detectives called us and relayed to us
that the blood in the contractors' truck
was not human blood, it was animal blood--
possibly deer blood-- and it was a punch in the gut.
Once we found out that the contractor wasn't involved,
our hope just kinda left because, at that point,
we was in--three weeks into it, and then all of a sudden,
it's basically telling us there's--we're not--
we're not gonna find her alive.
As days go on, the frustration builds.
You just, "Now what? Now what do we do?
Where do we go from here?"
- ♪
- My name is Larry Myer.
I was the lead investigator on the case.
We knew we had a missing person.
We knew that it appeared that something violent
had taken place,
and that we did not have a body.
It had become concern to law enforcement that
it was probably gonna end up to be a homicide,
just from the knowledge of what we had gained
from the crime scene.
Numerous agencies assisted the first few weeks.
After we was able to put out the description
of a possible suspect vehicle-- the red dually pickup--
we knew we was gonna be inundated with phone calls.
So, we actually asked for the assistance from
the major case squad from Northeast Kansas.
There was searches done by air,
there were searches done on foot,
and that went on for weeks.
January the 18th was a very big day.
I received a phone call from the family
that Mr. Hollister had been at the, uh, Kimmi sawmill.
DJ Kimmi is a nephew to Eugene Kimmi,
and he was working for the sawmill
as he did most of the time, and Roger just shows up.
He said, "I'm here to collect my money.
I'm here to collect $70,000 that Eugene had offered me."
DJ just thought it was odd
that he just out of the blue come and, uh, ask for a payment,
and he said that Roger was very upset.
It confirmed to us that-- that Mr. Roger Hollister
was involved in the case.
Roger's name came up several times.
He owned a red dually pickup
and it just became a major focus of--of the investigation.
After doing some VIN searching,
we was able to locate that that vehicle was sold
in Tecumseh, Nebraska.
We went to a dealership up there who said that
Mr. Hollister had traded the dually pickup.
He had traded it for a--a newer pickup.
Within one or two days, he went back to Nebraska
to buy his truck back.
And in between trading the vehicle and buying it back,
Hollister had called the car dealership
in Tecumseh, Nebraska,
asking if they had found a money clip.
We drove--on the way back from Nebraska--
we drove by Hollister's farm, we did not see the truck around.
We questioned him about the money clip,
he told us, "Well, yeah," he said,
"I've got that money clip, it's out here in my barn."
And he took a KBI agent and myself out
to look at that clip,
and there was one matching that description,
but we also had one identical to that.
We had probably, uh,
eight to ten officers searching the shed.
We also, uh, had people searching the--the grounds.
Parts of the pickup was found at the house,
buried in a large ditch southwest of his house and barn.
Uh, we were able to find that with a track hoe.
We found bits and pieces of what appeared to be
the frame of the truck.
Most of it was burnt, but there was still red p--paint
on the truck and that led us to believe that Hollister
had scrapped his pickup.
We knew, at that point,
we had some good, concrete evidence.
I spoke to him in depth, uh, about what I knew was going on.
I said, "Hey, look, we know what happened to your truck.
"We know where you sold it,
"we know where you bought it back,
"we know you called for the money clip,
we've got your bed of the truck."
I could tell that he knew we were onto him.
He needed to cooperate.
- ♪
- LARRY: They were drinking beer at Eugene Kimmi's sawmill.
Roger told us that an offer was made.
He would, uh, gladly give someone $70,000 to, uh,
have his ex-wife disappear.
Eugene said that she had cost him a lot of money
and that he was just tired of the situation.
On that Friday evening, Eugene came over
to Roger's house-- is what Roger said happened--
and asked to borrow his truck.
He would not loan Eugene his truck,
but he said he would drive it, and that's when he said
him and Eugene went to Pat Kimmi's house.
Roger says Eugene gets out and goes in the house.
He puts something in the back of the truck,
rolled up in a carpet, and they took off.
He said they went back to his property and--and, uh,
he went in the house and Eugene spent several hours
around the property,
and Roger's next comment was, "Eugene says it's surprising
"what 10-gallon diesel fuel and a 55-gallon barrel
will do to a body."
That's when he decided to sell the truck
and then later buy it back,
and he thought he better destroy the truck.
- ♪
- LARRY: He said, uh, he--he went to collect his money
as he thought the use of his truck
and him going with him was worth the $70,000.
I knew he was not being truthful in his interview with me
because we knew of facts that he was not bringing out.
There was an incident that took place a half a mile
from Mrs. Kimmi's house,
and we know they didn't go directly back
to Roger Hollister's property.
Every time we would question him about the facts,
he would tell us a little bit more,
but it was like pulling teeth.
He always wanted to put the blame back on Eugene Kimmi.
We knew his involvement was much more than Mr. Kimmi.
The blood on the Saylor Insurance hat
belonged to Pat Kimmi.
The blood on the coin belonged to Pat Kimmi.
The blood on the ground belonged to Pat Kimmi.
The DNA from the--the hat was matched to that
of Mr. Hollister. That all tied it back to Roger.
"Mr. Hollister," I said,
"you need to get you an attorney."
- ♪
- My name is Gerald Kuckelman.
I was the Atchison County attorney
during the course of the Kimmi case.
There were people that were still looking for Pat Kimmi.
You know, family members want to believe
that they're still alive,
they're still out there somewhere,
but in law enforcement, we were convinced she was dead.
Law enforcement was ready to arrest Roger Hollister.
There was a significant amount of evidence,
and they wanted to start the prosecution.
I thought that, "Yes, we have a lot of evidence,
"but we couldn't prove there was a homicide.
We do not have a body yet."
One of our strategies was to keep pressure on Roger.
But what a lot of criminals do, is when you tell a lie
and you get called on it, then you change the story
to match the facts that you know the police have.
And he was constantly trying to make his story match
what he knew Larry Myer had found out.
We wanted him to keep talking,
and the more he talked, the more we had to work with.
And so, law enforcement was having frequent visits
with him and also with his wife.
By human nature, I think it's hard for people
who've committed a crime to not talk about it
somewhere to someone,
and their spouse is usually the one closest to them,
so we thought Rebecca Hollister knew what had happened.
We noticed that anytime law enforcement would try
to talk with Rebecca,
that Roger would always intervene.
So, we wanted to get her alone so we could question her
without any interference on his part.
We ultimately opened an inquisition in the case,
and an inquisition is a proceeding in our Kansas courts
where you can bring witnesses in to question them under oath.
It's not a trial, it's more of a discovery-type tool.
That was the first time we really got to talk to Rebecca
without Roger present.
That day, I remember very clearly.
Roger drove her to the proceedings,
and he stood outside the courtroom and paced
the entire time she was in there.
- ♪
- GERALD: I had KBI with me, along with Larry Myer
of the Sheriff's Department,
and we could tell that she wasn't giving the full story.
As soon as we completed the inquisition,
she exited the courtroom and left with Roger.
They walked out, got in the car and left.
- ♪
- GERALD: It was early in the morning,
I got a phone call from a KBI agent.
He calls and says, "You're never gonna believe it.
The Hollisters were just involved in a car accident
on US-75 Highway."
I said, "What happened?"
Said, "They crossed the center line
"and hit head-on with a semi-tanker.
"They're still alive but they've been transported
to Kansas City to the hospital."
I was very shocked by it,
but then, as I start processing it,
I'm thinking, "Roger Hollister was attempting
to commit suicide."
I thought it was an intentional act.
An innocent guy isn't gonna go out and do that.
- ♪
- GERALD: I wanted to make sure that we had everything
we were gonna get before we prosecuted him.
In the criminal justice system,
you have to prove a defendant
guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
It was early evening, and I got a call from the sheriff.
The sheriff said, "Rebecca Hollister's in my office
and wants to talk to us."
I knew immediately that if she's there without Roger,
something is breaking.
Rebecca was struggling to talk, crying, upset.
She wanted to take us to the body.
The Sheriff's Department put her in a patrol vehicle.
I rode with the Sheriff, KBI agents met us there.
We drove to the Hollister farm,
went back half a mile from a road
into a pasture towards a wooded area.
She walked directly to the spot,
pointed at the ground.
The deputy did a little bit of digging, and there it was.
First thing exposed was vertebrae.
The remains had been there in that shallow grave
for six months,
but we were still able to get DNA,
and, uh, match it to Patricia Kimmi.
Rebecca ultimately told us she was there when Roger
buried the body, that's how she knew where it was,
but we do not believe that she was present
when the homicide occurred.
I think her conscience was getting to her.
I think that knowing that some lady is buried out on your farm
has gotta be disturbing to a person.
I think it ate at her, it upset her,
and I think she couldn't take it anymore.
After we recovered the body,
Rebecca Hollister was allowed to leave.
She left with her daughter,
went to her daughter's home in Kansas City.
Roger, of course, we arrested,
and he was taken to jail.
We charged Roger Hollister with capital murder,
because our theory was always that Eugene had hired him
to--to murder Pat.
Clearly, Roger thought he was getting paid
for killing Pat Kimmi, 'cause
he went to try to collect the money.
Was there an agreement at some point?
Some conversation between he and Eugene Kimmi
to plan this murder?
- RITA: I remember that May,
after we had been searching for six months,
law enforcement officers came to the door and said
specifically the bones that they had recovered,
they were confident that it--it was my mom's remains.
- LARRY: It wasn't the outcome the public wanted,
family and investigators wanted, but at least we found her.
She was able to come home to her family.
- TONY: To give her a proper burial like she should have had
was a big load off of me.
She was not just buried on somebody's farm,
she was finally being moved to a place where God wanted her.
- LARRY: As it come the time to proceed to trial
with what evidence we found
linking Mr. Hollister to the case,
along with the remains of the body,
we felt we had a strong case for a conviction.
- RITA: Gerry Kuckelman let us know when they would be
bringing him in.
We just lined up down a hallway so that he had to look
each one of us in the face.
- GERALD: In opening statement, I went through the evidence
and described why the State believed that Roger Hollister
committed this murder.
It was kind of a preview of the facts.
- To sit through that
was probably one of the hardest things
I'll ever have to do in my life, to listen to it all again--
everything--a lot of stuff we didn't even know.
- GERALD: November of 2009,
Patricia Kimmi was on her computer at her home.
I think that Roger Hollister came to her door,
and I think when she opened that door, a struggle ensued.
Roger Hollister overpowered her and got her into his truck
and left her residence with her alive.
I think that after he went down her driveway,
turned down the road, a very short distance,
she somehow was able to get away.
And he stopped that vehicle and pursued her,
and I believe that he killed her there on the side of that road.
He then took her body back to his farm,
he attempted to burn that body.
He then crushed what was left after it burnt out.
- LARRY: Mr. Hollister was very adamant about destroying
her body to the point that--
that law enforcement could possibly never find her.
- The defense attempted to demonize Eugene Kimmi,
which I thought played right into our theory.
- RITA: There was evidence that Eugene and Roger had talked,
and they talked specifically about the divorce,
and my mom,
and the fact that Eugene wanted her to be killed.
- LARRY: Eugene Kimmi told me on at least two interviews
that, uh, "Yes, I probably said those words.
"I've not only said it to Mr. Hollister,
I've probably said it to many people."
He says, "I was upset over the divorce."
But at this time, Mr. Kimmi still maintains his innocence.
- The defense was wanting to say
that Eugene Kimmi was responsible.
They wanted to say that he borrowed Roger Hollister's truck
and that he went and committed the murder,
but they could never explain away why Roger was there
trying to collect the money.
- I think Roger Hollister took it upon himself
to commit this murder without payment.
I think he later come back after the murder was done,
wanting his money.
- GERALD: Roger Hollister chose to decline
his right to testify,
but they presented tape recordings of his conversations
with Larry Myer, and that way he got to tell his story
without being cross examined.
- GERALD: The prosecution did not object
to playing those tapes because there were five
different conversations that contradicted each other,
and we felt like it showed Roger as a liar.
- It took three hours for the jury to deliberate,
and that was a long three hours.
- GERALD: I really felt good that the jury would--
would see our case and convict, and they did.
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- LARRY: Was a big relief for the family,
the investigators, the prosecution,
the whole community.
- It felt fantastic to be able to get a guilty verdict on it.
- GERALD: He was convicted of capital murder,
which carries the possibility of a death penalty in Kansas.
The Kimmi children did not want us to pursue the death penalty
because Patricia Kimmi was a Right to Life advocate.
- RITA: We had specifically not wanted him
to have the death penalty.
That's not something that my mom would have wanted.
- TONY: Closure is not a word for our family because there--
there will never be closure.
All of us hope that eventually Eugene Kimmi
will be brought up on charges and convicted.
We believe he was involved.
I think in his own mind, he knows he's involved.
- RITA: You have to think back and be grateful
for every little thing.
You--you hold on to those people who have taken care of you,
and then you need to pass it on to whoever you can.
That is the only way you--
you don't let evil win, I believe.
So, I hope that has-- has made her proud of us.
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