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[slow dramatic music plays]
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[Carole chuckles]
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Hey, Mama.
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Oh, gosh. It's good to see you.
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-[Dale] Love you.
-Love you too.
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[Carole]
Let's get outta here.
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Let's go.
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[music builds]
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[Dale]
Walking out of those gates,
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it's overwhelming.
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Because when you dream
of something for so long,
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and for it to finally come true...
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it's like: "Is it really real?"
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[Dale]
Starting to shake. [chuckles]
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-[Carole] Are you?
-It's starting.
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-Gonna take--
-Reality's starting to hit me.
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[soft piano music playing]
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[Dale] Thirty years ago,
when I was incarcerated,
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George W. Bush Senior
was the President of the United States.
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The Cold War had just ended.
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There was no internet.
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There were no mobile phones.
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I've been gone so long,
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and society has evolved so much,
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that...
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I mean, I can't even begin to understand
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the things that I'm gonna experience.
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You know, it's just--
It's gonna be amazing.
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I mean, I'm in awe
of everything around me.
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The joy and the happiness,
and just to be able to hold a cell phone
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and to have real world clothes on.
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[music builds]
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I never dreamed that
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I would be walking free
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thirty years later.
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[opening theme music plays]
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[Dale]
Is the door open?
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-Unlocked?
-No. I gotta unlock it.
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[keys jangling]
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[door opens]
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[Carole]
You ready?
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-Yeah, I'm ready.
-Here we go.
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[guitar music plays]
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[Carole] Okay.
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[sighs] You wanna put your books here
for right now,
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or do you wanna carry 'em on
in the room, or--?
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I'm gonna go and put 'em in the room.
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-Put 'em in the room? Okay.
-Yeah.
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[Carole] Let me get behind you,
I want you to go in first.
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[Dale laughs]
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[Dale] Oh, man!
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Oh... [sighs]
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[Carole] Yeah.
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-[Carole] That's an air mattress.
-I know, be careful.
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I'm 275, I might pop it.
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-Oh, I hope not.
-I hope not.
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I popped my mama's waterbed.
She was mad at me for that.
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[both chuckle]
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[Carole] No, the only thing that...
I don't want you to be uncomfortable.
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-Air conditioning.
-Yeah.
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-The simple things of life...
-Yeah.
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that you don't get in a penitentiary.
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-That's gonna become my friend.
-Like the room or not?
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-I love it. Yeah.
-Okay.
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I love it.
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-I was gonna say...
-Love it. Yeah!
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-[Carole chuckles]
-Come on, compared to a cubicle...
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-Right.
-I mean, come on.
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-My cubicle, Mama, was actually--
-Hey.
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-I got you--
-Right here.
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-That's how big my cubicle was.
-That's it?
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Right here.
This space here is what I lived in...
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for 30 years.
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-This is beautiful.
-Good.
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Thanks for all your hard work, Mama.
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You're welcome, baby.
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[Dale] Dear Father,
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thank you for this meal, God.
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This is our first meal together, Father.
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Please bless the food, God,
and we thank you for all things
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in Jesus' name. Amen.
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Amen.
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Okay, you ready?
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-Yeah.
-Go make a mess.
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It's finger food.
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-Except for that.
-It is, it really is.
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Yeah.
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[Dale] Hmm.
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So how is it?
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-Great.
-Okay... [chuckles] good.
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Well, isn't it? It's great.
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-I love it.
-[both chuckle]
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I mean, actually,
there's more than what I need,
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and I can enjoy myself,
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-and I ain't given just one piece, and--
-Right.
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And you're not on a time schedule,
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-but--
-"Get up.
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-Is that what they do?
-You got 15 minutes to eat"...
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-[gasps]
-It's like five, six minutes.
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They'll say: "Hey, get up. Time to go."
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-Really?
-There's so many people,
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they get institutionalized.
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When they get up, they do the same.
Knock on the table and get up.
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I'm like: "Why y'all doing that?"
That's institutionalized.
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[slow moving strings playing]
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[Dale] Being free after all them years,
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and seeing the scenery,
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and experiencing it all over again,
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when before...
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I looked at life
and took it for granted.
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But now...
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it's just, my perception
has totally changed.
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I went to the door, and I was looking out,
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and three little hummingbirds
come flying up
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to the hummingbird feeder,
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and I just thought that was
the most beautiful thing.
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[Carole chuckles]
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Trying to put it into words is...
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It's hard to do.
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I mean, to have a place
to call home now...
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is amazing to me.
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[slow, reflective music plays]
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[Dale] Mama Carole's been such
a blessing to me.
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For her to open her heart,
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and to open her house,
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and her life,
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to me...
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that's something
the average person doesn't do.
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Because who allows a convicted murderer,
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coming off of death row, did 30 years,
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to come home to them
and allow them to call that home,
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and to call you Mom?
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She means so much to me.
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I want her to understand
that she's valued.
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And in order to do that, I have to
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humble myself before her
and before God.
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Who you gonna douse?
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Don't even!
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Ever been to Wet 'n Wild?
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-What?
-You ever been to Wet 'n Wild?
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Uh... no...
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It's a swimming place.
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And?
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It's where you get in the water.
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And?
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Can I get you to go sit on the recliner?
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-Really?
-Yes.
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Yes, ma'am.
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You was snooping while I was gone,
weren't you?
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-Yes, I was.
-I feared as much.
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Yes, I was.
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You ready?
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Jesus said...
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"You will know them
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out of love."
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[water trickling]
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And I have the utmost respect
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and love
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for you.
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And it is my mission and responsibility
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to serve you
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and to love you...
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because
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[voice trembles]
when there was no way...
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God made a way
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by bringing you into my life.
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[delicate piano music plays]
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I know you've sacrificed...
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-[sniffs]
-a lot
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for me.
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You're a blessing, Mama Carole.
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When I couldn't go home to my own mama,
God brought me another mama.
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-[sniffs]
-And I thank you
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for being there for me.
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-I love you, Mama.
-I love you, too.
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[Carole sniffs]
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[exhales]
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[sniffs]
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[crickets chirping]
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[Carole] It was a great day.
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Very special day.
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As far as knowing Dale, I think I'm just
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kind of scratching the surface.
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I know he has a beautiful heart,
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and his love for God,
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but every day is gonna be
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finding out something new,
something more about him,
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and it's like any relationship.
You don't really
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know each other until you're together.
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I know very little
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about what Dale did
to be put on death row.
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I figured in time, Dale would tell me.
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[train bell ringing]
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[man]
Dale was not remorseful about it.
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The murder didn't even faze him.
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We were on a lot of drugs.
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He was probably totally numb
to everything that was going around.
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[ominous music plays]
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My name is Shawn Anttila.
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Dale Wayne Sigler
was a good friend of mine,
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up until the time
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when he committed the murder.
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The day after the murder,
he came to my house.
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It was just us,
he told me everything.
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I remember Dale telling me details
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about him going in there
and hanging out,
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and pointing the gun at the guy,
telling him: "You need to open the safe."
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And he said he got the money,
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and the guy was like:
"You don't have to do this."
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Goes: "Yes, I do."
He pulled out-- He said,
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He goes, "That's when I shot him."
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"'Cause he knew me,
he knew my name, he could point me out."
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Dale did know the victim,
because he would hang out
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at that Subway shop.
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We had a friend that worked there,
and he'd go and see our friend.
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That's why the guy let him in
and was comfortable being around him,
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and he didn't see him as a threat.
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Dale tried to say
it was 'cause he was gay.
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He goes: "Yeah, I killed that faggot."
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That was the way he wanted people
to look at him,
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as: "Don't fuck with him,
he's gonna fuck us."
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That's how he liked it.
He liked people to be scared of him.
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Think that he was gonna do
stuff like that.
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The fact that the guy
at the Subway was gay
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probably made it easier
for him to kill him.
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It wasn't the reason why he did it,
but it just made it, 'cause...
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he's gay. [laughs]
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Sorry, we lived in Texas back then,
and that is not a good--
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That was not something you wanted to,
you know... [chuckles]
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Good boys did not like that.
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Everybody had to have
that persona too around that,
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'cause they couldn't show any empathy
for the gay community back then.
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You'd get labeled as gay.
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Dale definitely didn't want people
to think that about him.
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That would've killed
his image, his persona
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that he was trying to live up to.
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I'd heard rumors and stories,
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but as far as Dale being actually gay
or homosexual,
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I really don't think so.
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He did take me to places where
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there seemed to be a lot of gay people.
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But you just dismiss it.
"Oh, Dale wouldn't do stuff like that."
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But hey...
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if he was, he hid it really well.
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The whole thing has definitely
stuck with me my whole life.
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At that point where the judge
actually told him his sentence,
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death by lethal injection,
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and he didn't even flinch.
Didn't care. Like he wanted it.
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I think he wanted to die,
at that point in time.
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I guess he thought
he had nothing left to live for.
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[Dale] There ain't a day that goes by
that I don't regret what I've done.
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Nothing that I say, nothing that I can do
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can justify taking John's life.
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All I've ever wanted to do was...
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to apologize.
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[reflective music plays]
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In the courtroom, I really
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focused on the trial itself
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and my family that was there.
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At that point, I had accepted my fate.
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I wanted to die. I wanted it to be over.
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Um...
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But what really made an impact to me was
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my mother and my father.
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They both had nervous breakdowns.
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That really affected me.
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We just need to get into your account,
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so you can
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talk to your mom.
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[Dale] Yeah, my mother's
been through a lot because of me.
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I put her through hell.
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She told me, "No son of mine
would ever take a life."
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And it broke her heart.
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I haven't seen my mother in 25 years,
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and today I'm hoping to finally
get to speak to her face-to-face.
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[video chat ringing]
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-[ringing continues]
-Hello?
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-Come on.
-[woman] Hello?
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-There she is!
-There we go.
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Hi, sis!
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Hi, sis.
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[Carole] Yay! [chuckles]
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Hi, baby.
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Hi, Mama.
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God, it's good to see you.
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[Dale's mom] God, it's good to see you
back and away from that place.
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It's good. It's all good.
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[inhales] It's okay.
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[Dale's mom] I thank God every day,
Carole, for you.
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I'm so glad you could be there
for him when I couldn't.
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It's my honor.
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[sniffs, exhales] Okay.
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Let's get this under control here.
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[chuckles] Good luck.
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See, I told you I was old and fat now.
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[Dale and Carole laughing]
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-That comes with the territory.
-I ain't no spring chicken myself.
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I know.
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[sad music plays]
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[Dale] Seeing my mother for the first time
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after 25 years...
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and her seeing her child
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free...
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was more precious
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than life itself to me.
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I mean, I can't stress
how overwhelming and amazing it is
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to be able to see her and talk to her
at any time that I want to.
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You know, because of technology.
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It's awesome,
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because she knows that I'm free now,
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that she can reach out to me.
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God, it's good to see you, though, Mama.
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It's been a long time.
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Yes, it has.
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[voice trembles] We never thought
this day was gonna come.
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No, we didn't.
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I was afraid I was never gonna be able
to see this before I went to heaven.
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-[Dale's mom sniffs]
-[sniffs]
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-I love you, no matter what.
-I love you, too.
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And I know I put you through hell,
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and you didn't deserve that.
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I ended up being the worst son
instead of being the best son...
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but from here on out,
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I'm gonna be your best son.
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I'm gonna make you proud of me
before you go to heaven.
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[sniffs] I know you will, baby.
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[soft piano music plays]
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[Dale] The most important thing to me
is to make my mother proud.
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What child doesn't want that?
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It's really important to set
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short-term, medium-term,
and long-term goals.
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Years down the road, I wanna be stable,
working for a company.
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I wanna get my own house.
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00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,280
I wanna have a 401(k) plan,
insurance, dental plan.2
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00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,680
And I wanna be able to start a ministry,
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to be able to mentor to the kids
and the youth.
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00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,360
I want the ministry to really,
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you know, soar and take off.
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I wanna be a blessing,
because I've been a burden all my life.
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00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:02,880
It's time to give back.
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00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,560
[children chattering]
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00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,560
Being on house arrest,
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to me it's just a journey,
it's another chapter.
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To see this family
and how they're out interacting,
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and the boy's playing around,
running, pushing this little truck.
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This is beautiful.
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00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,800
That's a gift from God, to have children.
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00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,160
That's...
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That's all I ever wanted,
was to find someone, have a little girl.
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I mean, maybe one day that might be me.
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I might find someone to love.
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00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,840
I just gotta stay focused, stay positive.
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00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,280
So, I'm...
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trying to look for a job,
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00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,440
so hopefully I can be of value
to other people.
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00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,160
But, uh...
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00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:16,800
I have to be patient.
358
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[guitar music plays]
359
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,840
I'm excited to see
what they got for me today.
360
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,960
I just gotta be flexible at this point.
361
00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:11,120
I just love to have options and choices
and to be able to finally start
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00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,680
to get my life back together.
363
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:14,840
In a perfect world today,
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00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,440
I'll sign on with a trucking company,
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00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,640
where I can be trained
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and start work immediately.
367
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,520
So, I'm kind of looking forward to this.
368
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,520
[woman]
What type of job are you looking for?
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00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,240
Um, something to do with driving CDL.
370
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:37,520
-CDL? Okay.
-Yes, ma'am.
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00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,600
-You wanna be a truck driver?
-Yes.
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00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,400
My grandfather was a truck driver,
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and I know it's good pay,
I love to travel,
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00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,880
and it's something on my heart
that I wanted to accomplish.
375
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,200
Have you had
truck driving experience before?
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00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,160
-Mm-mm.
-No? Okay.
377
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,640
-Do you have your certification?
-No.
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00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,320
Is that something
that you might want to do,
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00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,240
-is get a certification?
-Yes, ma'am.
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00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,120
And your work history?
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00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,600
Do you have a work history?
382
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:03,640
Um... [sighs]
383
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,480
I've done a little bit of everything,
but nothing like driving.
384
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,760
Okay, what was the last job you had?
385
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,360
-Stocker at Kroger's in Arlington.
-Okay.
386
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,920
-And do you remember the date?
-1990.
387
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,360
-1990?
-Yeah.
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00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,720
That was my last job.
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00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,720
I've been incarcerated for 30 years.
390
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:24,640
Okay.
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00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,000
[contemplative music plays]
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00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,720
[commotion over TV]
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00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,920
[Carole] Kill him, he's trying to kill me.
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00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,360
-[Dale] I got it.
-[Carole] Okay.
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00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,640
[smashing over TV]
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00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:02,840
Good shot.
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00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,680
[Carole] All right.
398
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,200
Oh! There's one of 'em you gotta kill.
399
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,000
[Carole]
Gotta kill her.
400
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,000
Okay, you got all three of 'em now.
401
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,480
It's violent,
402
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,320
that's why I said if he didn't want
to play it, we could put something else.
403
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,160
But, yeah, it's...
404
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,520
got a lot of violence in it.
405
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,400
That's why everybody in society
be talking about video games
406
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,560
-corrupting the youth.
-Their kids, yeah.
407
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:36,840
-The kids.
-Yeah.
408
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,600
[Dale] Technology is awesome,
but it's difficult.
409
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,040
I mean, even the games are difficult.
410
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,640
When you go up in level,
you have to go
411
00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:49,320
and cash the levels in
to make you stronger for the next level.
412
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,240
It's...
413
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,120
It's confusing.
414
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,040
[Dale] Because I'm on house arrest,
415
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,720
technology is particularly
important to me.
416
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,560
You gonna reach out for jobs
for employment.
417
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:11,240
That's my way of connecting
with the world for the next year.
418
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,200
But at the same time,
it's really overwhelming.
419
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,960
Detecting problems...
420
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,880
Problem is, technology
is just too difficult.
421
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,200
Okay, "Check to see
if the problem is fixed."
422
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,320
-Okay.
-Did--
423
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,160
It said: "Click to see
if the problem is fixed," so I clicked it.
424
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,080
-Is it fixed?
-No, it is definitely not.
425
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,880
Everything's got a security measure on it.
426
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,160
They want a backup for a backup,
and they use your e-mail,
427
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,480
your phone number, password,
428
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,840
and if that don't work,
then you use your e-mail for the password.
429
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,520
You try that,
and it still doesn't connect.
430
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,960
You're like, "What's the sense
of asking me for the e-mail to verify
431
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,160
the phone number if...
432
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,960
when I give it to you,
it's not allowing me to get in?"
433
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,480
When it gets to the point
434
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,040
where...
435
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,000
you get that frustrated,
436
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,120
the best thing to do is to just
437
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,600
get away from it for a while
and go back to it later.
438
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,120
You gotta quit letting it beat you down.
439
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,800
It's just a computer.
440
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,520
It's not life and death.
441
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,760
[Carole] The last...
442
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:40,760
I'd say, three or four days,
443
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,880
Dale has been very frustrated.
444
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:47,600
For him,
445
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,320
basically, the world kind of stood still
when he got locked up.
446
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,480
While out here, we just kept up with it,
447
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,400
we learned the technology, and so
448
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,680
he's got to learn it all of it.
449
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:01,760
It takes time.
450
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:03,760
It feels like
451
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,560
he wants to do everything by tomorrow,
452
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,840
and you can't do that.
453
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,160
There's not enough hours in the day.
454
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,400
Money is very tight right now,
455
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,200
simply because with an extra body
in the house,
456
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,080
the bills are going up,
and there's no extra money yet
457
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,480
coming in.
458
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,800
But we'll make it.
459
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,160
We'll make it.
460
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,840
He gets a job,
and everything will be fine.
461
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,040
As far as getting a job,
462
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:40,400
I don't know,
because he doesn't have any experience,
463
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,800
and I've been telling him
464
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,560
he needs to pace himself
and not try to put so much on his plate.
465
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,360
[soft dramatic music plays]
466
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,600
[Dale] Being limited in my movements
467
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:55,480
has really been hard.
468
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,640
I've been waiting three decades
to get my life back,
469
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,880
to make an impact, to do the right thing
and touch other people.
470
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,280
You know, for God.
471
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,520
And it's frustrating.
472
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,400
People can't understand.
473
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,960
When you want to give back,
474
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,360
and you want to love other people,
475
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,360
and you want to be around people.
476
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,880
That's why it bothers me so much
that I can't...
477
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,080
socialize,
478
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,520
work in the community
and get to know people.
479
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,520
I mean, I'm very limited,
480
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,000
you know?
481
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:41,800
And, uh...
482
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:44,560
[deep sighs]
483
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,520
I know things will only get better...
484
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,560
but it's just frustrating.
485
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,320
[Carole] Is there anything you wanna get
on the way home, or just wanna go home?
486
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,640
We can get, uh...
487
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,720
barbecue?
488
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,440
Uh, there's pizza.
Yesterday was half-priced hamburgers,
489
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,000
-and I forgot.
-I'm gonna share something with you
490
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,680
-that you're probably not even aware of.
-When?
491
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,720
-Right now?
-You see that sign there?
492
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,040
-What sign?
-Subway sign.
493
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:38,960
Subway? Yeah.
494
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,680
For the rest of my life,
495
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,480
every time I see that sign,
496
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,200
it brings back that night.
497
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,240
Oh, really?
498
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,400
[Dale sniffs]
499
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,320
[Carole] The hardest thing for us to do
is to forgive ourselves.
500
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,280
I need to learn to forgive myself,
501
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,440
and I haven't learned how to do that yet.
502
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,080
It'll come in time.
503
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,040
It just takes
504
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,080
a while.
505
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,840
Every time I see that, it just...
506
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,680
It just reopens the wound.
507
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,600
[tender piano music plays]
508
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,920
[Carole] Dale knows
that what he did was wrong,
509
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,000
and... nobody can punish him
510
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,800
as severely as he punishes himself.
511
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,920
He is so remorseful over it.
512
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,760
And that's just something
that he'll carry with him
513
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,440
for the rest of his life.
514
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,240
It'll always be a part of his DNA.
515
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,360
All of this and everything
that I went through
516
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,200
is because of my choices.
517
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,120
Because of who I was.
518
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,240
But I'm no longer that person.
519
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,480
For the last 30 years...
520
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:09,360
I've been...
521
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,680
villainized,
522
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,120
called a monster,
523
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,760
an animal, someone unworthy to live.
524
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,320
That's never been the true case.
525
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,720
I'm not an animal.
526
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:23,920
I'm not some monster.
527
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,560
What people generally don't understand
528
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,560
is the true story of April
529
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:31,880
in 1990.
530
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,440
They look at it as a robbery-homicide.
531
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,720
"He did it for the money",
but that is not what it was about.
532
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,040
[dog barking in the distance]
533
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,680
[slow guitar music playing]
534
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,400
[Forest] "Arlington restaurant employee
slain during apparent robbery.
535
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,360
John W. Zeltner, 31, of Arlington,
was pronounced dead at the scene."
536
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,280
-Senseless murder.
-Yeah.
537
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,240
Had no reason for it.
He did it just to do it.
538
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,440
When he killed my brother,
539
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,480
that was no accident, he didn't--
540
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,720
The trigger--
He didn't flip on the trigger.
541
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,400
You don't pull a trigger
six times accidentally,
542
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,920
you know, it's just--
That was no accident.
543
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,600
So, that's a statement.
544
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,840
That's a statement, you know?
545
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,440
You wanna kill, it only takes one bullet.
546
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,440
You wanna make a statement?
Shoot it five more times.
547
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,560
[soft guitar music plays]
548
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,480
[John] For the longest time,
I thought there was more to it.
549
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,320
For the longest time.
550
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,480
I thought because he was gay,
they wanted to kill him.
551
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,040
[John] Back in the late '80s, early '90s,
people were prejudiced.
552
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,400
I thought maybe that's what it was,
you know?
553
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,360
That because he was gay,
and he was open about it,
554
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,160
they didn't like it.
That's what I thought.
555
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,720
But I was wrong, you know?
556
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,720
But that was just me being mad.
557
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,640
Apparently, that's all it was. Just money.
558
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,680
[Dale] People believe that
they understand what happened
559
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,120
in April 1990.
560
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,400
But going through trial,
561
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,320
no one genuinely knew what was going on.
562
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,840
No one knew the whole story,
563
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,840
because I never told anyone.
564
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,080
Truthfully, the only one
that really knows,
565
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,440
is the victim, God, and I.
566
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,680
It wasn't until after my father died
567
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,640
that I realized that
568
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,280
in order for me to be the man of God,
569
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,120
I have to tell the story.
570
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,000
I have to be totally transparent.
571
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,440
People believe it was
a robbery-homicide for the money,
572
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,960
but that's farthest from the truth.
573
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:01,360
It wasn't about the robbery.
574
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,040
The robbery was to cover up
the true intention of the homicide.
575
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,880
The reason that I went to the store
was to kill John.
576
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,440
I killed him, because
577
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,400
he tried to blackmail me...
578
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,720
into a homosexual relationship.
579
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,800
[closing music plays]