1 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:35,840 Hey, Mama. 2 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:38,960 Oh, gosh. It's good to see you. 3 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,360 - Love you. - Love you too. 4 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:57,920 Let's get outta here. 5 00:00:58,400 --> 00:00:59,400 Let's go. 6 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,560 Walking out of those gates, 7 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:11,400 it's overwhelming. 8 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:15,360 Because when you dream of something for so long, 9 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,760 and for it to finally come true... 10 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:20,480 "Is it really real?" 11 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,840 Starting to shake. 12 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,680 - Are you? - It's starting. 13 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,160 - Gonna take... - Reality's starting to hit me. 14 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,920 Thirty years ago, when I was incarcerated, 15 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,680 George W. Bush Senior was the President of the United States. 16 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,000 The Cold War had just ended. 17 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:57,840 There was no internet. 18 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,360 There were no mobile phones. 19 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:03,600 I've been gone so long, 20 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,080 and society has evolved so much, 21 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,160 that... 22 00:02:09,640 --> 00:02:12,080 I mean, I can't even begin to understand 23 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,080 the things that I'm gonna experience. 24 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:17,200 You know, it's just... It's gonna be amazing. 25 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,920 I mean, I'm in awe of everything around me. 26 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,400 The joy and the happiness, and just to be able to hold a cell phone 27 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,600 and to have real world clothes on. 28 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:34,480 I never dreamed that 29 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,800 I would be walking free 30 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:38,320 thirty years later. 31 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:31,440 Is the door open? 32 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,880 - Unlocked? - No. I gotta unlock it. 33 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,000 You ready? 34 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,840 - Yeah, I'm ready. - Here we go. 35 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:55,040 Okay. 36 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,680 You wanna put your books here for right now, 37 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,080 or do you wanna carry 'em on in the room, or...? 38 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,080 I'm gonna go and put 'em in the room. 39 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,000 - Put 'em in the room? Okay. - Yeah. 40 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,320 Let me get behind you, I want you to go in first. 41 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:36,440 Oh, man! 42 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:41,760 Oh... 43 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:43,840 Yeah. 44 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,960 - That's an air mattress. - I know, be careful. 45 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,560 I'm 275, I might pop it. 46 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,840 - Oh, I hope not. - I hope not. 47 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,960 I popped my mama's waterbed. She was mad at me for that. 48 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,240 No, the only thing that... I don't want you to be uncomfortable. 49 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,160 - Air conditioning. - Yeah. 50 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,400 - The simple things of life... - Yeah. 51 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,640 That you don't get in a penitentiary. 52 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:12,000 - That's gonna become my friend. - Like the room or not? 53 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:13,320 - I love it. Yeah. - Okay. 54 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:14,240 I love it. 55 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,040 - I was gonna say... - Love it. Yeah! 56 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,680 Come on, compared to a cubicle... 57 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,440 - Right. - I mean, come on. 58 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,440 - My cubicle, Mama, was actually... - Hey. 59 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:24,880 - I got you... - Right here. 60 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,680 - That's how big my cubicle was. - That's it? 61 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,200 Right here. This space here is what I lived in... 62 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:32,280 for 30 years. 63 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,760 - This is beautiful. - Good. 64 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,480 Thanks for all your hard work, Mama. 65 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:38,880 You're welcome, baby. 66 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:42,480 Dear Father, 67 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,000 thank you for this meal, God. 68 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,200 This is our first meal together, Father. 69 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,360 Please bless the food, God, and we thank you for all things 70 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:52,760 in Jesus' name. Amen. 71 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:53,840 Amen. 72 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,160 Okay, you ready? 73 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,440 - Yeah. - Go make a mess. 74 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,400 It's finger food. 75 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,360 - Except for that. - It is, it really is. 76 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:02,440 Yeah. 77 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:07,200 Hmm. 78 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:08,280 So how is it? 79 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,680 - Great. - Okay... good. 80 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,360 Well, isn't it? It's great. 81 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,600 I love it. 82 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,600 I mean, actually, there's more than what I need, 83 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,160 and I can enjoy myself, 84 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,600 - and I ain't given just one piece, and... - Right. 85 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,560 And you're not on a time schedule, 86 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,480 - but... - "Get up. 87 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,840 - Is that what they do? - You got 15 minutes to eat"... 88 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,800 It's like five, six minutes. 89 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,440 "Hey, get up. Time to go." 90 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:35,880 - Really? - There's so many people, 91 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,520 they get institutionalized. 92 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,280 When they get up, they do the same. Knock on the table and get up. 93 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,640 "Why y'all doing that?" That's institutionalized. 94 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,480 Being free after all them years, 95 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:57,640 and seeing the scenery, 96 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,480 and experiencing it all over again, 97 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:02,800 when before... 98 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,560 I looked at life and took it for granted. 99 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:08,320 But now... 100 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,960 it's just, my perception has totally changed. 101 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,160 I went to the door, and I was looking out, 102 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,680 and three little hummingbirds come flying up 103 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,560 to the hummingbird feeder, 104 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,360 and I just thought that was the most beautiful thing. 105 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,080 Trying to put it into words is... 106 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:27,520 It's hard to do. 107 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,600 I mean, to have a place to call home now... 108 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,720 is amazing to me. 109 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,280 Mama Carole's been such a blessing to me. 110 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:47,880 For her to open her heart, 111 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:50,680 and to open her house, 112 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:52,480 and her life, 113 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:54,560 to me... 114 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,040 that's something the average person doesn't do. 115 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,080 Because who allows a convicted murderer, 116 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,920 coming off of death row, did 30 years, 117 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,320 to come home to them and allow them to call that home, 118 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,280 and to call you Mom? 119 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:13,480 She means so much to me. 120 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,720 I want her to understand that she's valued. 121 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,800 And in order to do that, I have to 122 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,640 humble myself before her and before God. 123 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,280 Who you gonna douse? 124 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,120 Don't even! 125 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:30,600 Ever been to Wet 'n Wild? 126 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,800 - What? - You ever been to Wet 'n Wild? 127 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,760 Uh... no... 128 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,360 It's a swimming place. 129 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:39,880 And? 130 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,920 It's where you get in the water. 131 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:45,280 And? 132 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,080 Can I get you to go sit on the recliner? 133 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,240 - Really? - Yes. 134 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,400 Yes, ma'am. 135 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,200 You was snooping while I was gone, weren't you? 136 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,160 - Yes, I was. - I feared as much. 137 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:58,240 Yes, I was. 138 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:04,760 You ready? 139 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:06,680 Jesus said... 140 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:08,880 "You will know them 141 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:11,080 out of love." 142 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,680 And I have the utmost respect 143 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,040 and love 144 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:18,720 for you. 145 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,840 And it is my mission and responsibility 146 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,120 to serve you 147 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:27,960 and to love you... 148 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:30,920 because 149 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:33,680 when there was no way... 150 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:35,720 God made a way 151 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:37,800 by bringing you into my life. 152 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,400 I know you've sacrificed... 153 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,160 a lot 154 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:48,520 for me. 155 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,000 You're a blessing, Mama Carole. 156 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:56,840 When I couldn't go home to my own mama, God brought me another mama. 157 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,440 And I thank you 158 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,120 for being there for me. 159 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,280 - I love you, Mama. - I love you, too. 160 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,760 It was a great day. 161 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,240 Very special day. 162 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,080 As far as knowing Dale, I think I'm just 163 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,640 kind of scratching the surface. 164 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,400 I know he has a beautiful heart, 165 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,800 and his love for God, 166 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,200 but every day is gonna be 167 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,760 finding out something new, something more about him, 168 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,800 and it's like any relationship. You don't really 169 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,840 know each other until you're together. 170 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,280 I know very little 171 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,760 about what Dale did to be put on death row. 172 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,400 I figured in time, Dale would tell me. 173 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,480 Dale was not remorseful about it. 174 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:30,160 The murder didn't even faze him. 175 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,440 We were on a lot of drugs. 176 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,720 He was probably totally numb to everything that was going around. 177 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:44,600 My name is Shawn Anttila. 178 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,640 Dale Wayne Sigler was a good friend of mine, 179 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:48,720 up until the time 180 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,680 when he committed the murder. 181 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,800 The day after the murder, he came to my house. 182 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,920 It was just us, he told me everything. 183 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:01,480 I remember Dale telling me details 184 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:03,840 about him going in there and hanging out, 185 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,600 and pointing the gun at the guy, telling him: "You need to open the safe." 186 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:09,160 And he said he got the money, 187 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,800 "You don't have to do this." 188 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,000 "Yes, I do." He pulled out... He said, 189 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:15,960 He goes, "That's when I shot him." 190 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,160 "'Cause he knew me, he knew my name, he could point me out." 191 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,400 Dale did know the victim, because he would hang out 192 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:25,680 at that Subway shop. 193 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,040 We had a friend that worked there, and he'd go and see our friend. 194 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,080 That's why the guy let him in and was comfortable being around him, 195 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,880 and he didn't see him as a threat. 196 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,080 Dale tried to say it was 'cause he was gay. 197 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:56,600 "Yeah, I killed that faggot." 198 00:12:57,680 --> 00:12:59,600 That was the way he wanted people to look at him, 199 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:01,960 "Don't fuck with him, he's gonna fuck us." 200 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,840 That's how he liked it. He liked people to be scared of him. 201 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,040 Think that he was gonna do stuff like that. 202 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,200 The fact that the guy at the Subway was gay 203 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,680 probably made it easier for him to kill him. 204 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,360 It wasn't the reason why he did it, but it just made it, 'cause... 205 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:19,840 he's gay. 206 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,960 Sorry, we lived in Texas back then, and that is not a good... 207 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,400 That was not something you wanted to, you know... 208 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:28,960 Good boys did not like that. 209 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,680 Everybody had to have that persona too around that, 210 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,240 'cause they couldn't show any empathy for the gay community back then. 211 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:36,600 You'd get labeled as gay. 212 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,040 Dale definitely didn't want people to think that about him. 213 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,880 That would've killed his image, his persona 214 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,720 that he was trying to live up to. 215 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,200 I'd heard rumors and stories, 216 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,800 but as far as Dale being actually gay or homosexual, 217 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:53,480 I really don't think so. 218 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,440 He did take me to places where 219 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,920 there seemed to be a lot of gay people. 220 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,600 But you just dismiss it. "Oh, Dale wouldn't do stuff like that." 221 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:07,400 But hey... 222 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,440 if he was, he hid it really well. 223 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:19,520 The whole thing has definitely stuck with me my whole life. 224 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,920 At that point where the judge actually told him his sentence, 225 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,320 death by lethal injection, 226 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,440 and he didn't even flinch. Didn't care. Like he wanted it. 227 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,840 I think he wanted to die, at that point in time. 228 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,960 I guess he thought he had nothing left to live for. 229 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,680 There ain't a day that goes by that I don't regret what I've done. 230 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,920 Nothing that I say, nothing that I can do 231 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,200 can justify taking John's life. 232 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,160 All I've ever wanted to do was... 233 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:22,640 to apologize. 234 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,360 In the courtroom, I really 235 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,440 focused on the trial itself 236 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,200 and my family that was there. 237 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,760 At that point, I had accepted my fate. 238 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,080 I wanted to die. I wanted it to be over. 239 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:46,480 Um... 240 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,760 But what really made an impact to me was 241 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:51,960 my mother and my father. 242 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,840 They both had nervous breakdowns. 243 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:57,840 That really affected me. 244 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,960 We just need to get into your account, 245 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,000 so you can 246 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:23,920 talk to your mom. 247 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,720 Yeah, my mother's been through a lot because of me. 248 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:30,800 I put her through hell. 249 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,400 She told me, "No son of mine would ever take a life." 250 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:36,880 And it broke her heart. 251 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,840 I haven't seen my mother in 25 years, 252 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,920 and today I'm hoping to finally get to speak to her face-to-face. 253 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,720 Hello? 254 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:52,440 - Come on. - Hello? 255 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,520 - There she is! - There we go. 256 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:55,720 Hi, sis! 257 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:56,640 Hi, sis. 258 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,560 Yay! 259 00:16:58,640 --> 00:16:59,560 Hi, baby. 260 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:00,640 Hi, Mama. 261 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,360 God, it's good to see you. 262 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,560 God, it's good to see you back and away from that place. 263 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,640 It's good. It's all good. 264 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,360 It's okay. 265 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,400 I thank God every day, Carole, for you. 266 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,520 I'm so glad you could be there for him when I couldn't. 267 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:22,440 It's my honor. 268 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,400 Okay. 269 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,680 Let's get this under control here. 270 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,280 Good luck. 271 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,840 See, I told you I was old and fat now. 272 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,080 - That comes with the territory. - I ain't no spring chicken myself. 273 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:41,160 I know. 274 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:45,560 Seeing my mother for the first time 275 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:47,800 after 25 years... 276 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,000 and her seeing her child 277 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:52,920 free... 278 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,440 was more precious 279 00:17:57,120 --> 00:17:58,600 than life itself to me. 280 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,720 I mean, I can't stress how overwhelming and amazing it is 281 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:08,560 to be able to see her and talk to her at any time that I want to. 282 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,160 You know, because of technology. 283 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:12,920 It's awesome, 284 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,520 because she knows that I'm free now, 285 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,520 that she can reach out to me. 286 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,880 God, it's good to see you, though, Mama. 287 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,480 It's been a long time. 288 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,280 Yes, it has. 289 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:28,240 We never thought this day was gonna come. 290 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:29,680 No, we didn't. 291 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,240 I was afraid I was never gonna be able to see this before I went to heaven. 292 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,200 - I love you, no matter what. - I love you, too. 293 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,320 And I know I put you through hell, 294 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,280 and you didn't deserve that. 295 00:18:44,360 --> 00:18:47,480 I ended up being the worst son instead of being the best son... 296 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,040 but from here on out, 297 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:52,480 I'm gonna be your best son. 298 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,800 I'm gonna make you proud of me before you go to heaven. 299 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,080 I know you will, baby. 300 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,600 The most important thing to me is to make my mother proud. 301 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,720 What child doesn't want that? 302 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,640 It's really important to set 303 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,240 short-term, medium-term, and long-term goals. 304 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:34,520 Years down the road, I wanna be stable, working for a company. 305 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,160 I wanna get my own house. 306 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,280 I wanna have a 401 plan, insurance, dental plan.2 307 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,680 And I wanna be able to start a ministry, 308 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,720 to be able to mentor to the kids and the youth. 309 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,360 I want the ministry to really, 310 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,080 you know, soar and take off. 311 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,800 I wanna be a blessing, because I've been a burden all my life. 312 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:02,880 It's time to give back. 313 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,560 Being on house arrest, 314 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,720 to me it's just a journey, it's another chapter. 315 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,120 To see this family and how they're out interacting, 316 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,400 and the boy's playing around, running, pushing this little truck. 317 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,360 This is beautiful. 318 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,800 That's a gift from God, to have children. 319 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,320 That's... 320 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,320 That's all I ever wanted, was to find someone, have a little girl. 321 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,560 I mean, maybe one day that might be me. 322 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,120 I might find someone to love. 323 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,840 I just gotta stay focused, stay positive. 324 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,280 So, I'm... 325 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,200 trying to look for a job, 326 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,440 so hopefully I can be of value to other people. 327 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,320 But, uh... 328 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:16,800 I have to be patient. 329 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,840 I'm excited to see what they got for me today. 330 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,960 I just gotta be flexible at this point. 331 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:11,120 I just love to have options and choices and to be able to finally start 332 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,680 to get my life back together. 333 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:14,840 In a perfect world today, 334 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,440 I'll sign on with a trucking company, 335 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,640 where I can be trained 336 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,840 and start work immediately. 337 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,520 So, I'm kind of looking forward to this. 338 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,520 What type of job are you looking for? 339 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,240 Um, something to do with driving CDL. 340 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:37,520 - CDL? Okay. - Yes, ma'am. 341 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,600 - You wanna be a truck driver? - Yes. 342 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,400 My grandfather was a truck driver, 343 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,720 and I know it's good pay, I love to travel, 344 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,880 and it's something on my heart that I wanted to accomplish. 345 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,200 Have you had truck driving experience before? 346 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,280 - Mm-mm. - No? Okay. 347 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,640 - Do you have your certification? - No. 348 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,320 Is that something that you might want to do, 349 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,240 - is get a certification? - Yes, ma'am. 350 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,120 And your work history? 351 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,600 Do you have a work history? 352 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:03,640 Um... 353 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,480 I've done a little bit of everything, but nothing like driving. 354 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,760 Okay, what was the last job you had? 355 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,360 - Stocker at Kroger's in Arlington. - Okay. 356 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,920 - And do you remember the date? - 1990. 357 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,360 - 1990? - Yeah. 358 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,720 That was my last job. 359 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,720 I've been incarcerated for 30 years. 360 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:24,800 Okay. 361 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,920 Kill him, he's trying to kill me. 362 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,360 - I got it. - Okay. 363 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,000 Good shot. 364 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,720 All right. 365 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,200 Oh! There's one of 'em you gotta kill. 366 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,000 Gotta kill her. 367 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,000 Okay, you got all three of 'em now. 368 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,480 It's violent, 369 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,320 that's why I said if he didn't want to play it, we could put something else. 370 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,160 But, yeah, it's... 371 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,520 got a lot of violence in it. 372 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,400 That's why everybody in society be talking about video games 373 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,560 - corrupting the youth. - Their kids, yeah. 374 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:36,840 - The kids. - Yeah. 375 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,600 Technology is awesome, but it's difficult. 376 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,040 I mean, even the games are difficult. 377 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,640 When you go up in level, you have to go 378 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:49,320 and cash the levels in to make you stronger for the next level. 379 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,400 It's... 380 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,200 It's confusing. 381 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,040 Because I'm on house arrest, 382 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,720 technology is particularly important to me. 383 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,560 You gonna reach out for jobs for employment. 384 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:11,240 That's my way of connecting with the world for the next year. 385 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,200 But at the same time, it's really overwhelming. 386 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,960 Detecting problems... 387 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,880 Problem is, technology is just too difficult. 388 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,200 Okay, "Check to see if the problem is fixed." 389 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,320 - Okay. - Did... 390 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,160 "Click to see if the problem is fixed," so I clicked it. 391 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,080 - Is it fixed? - No, it is definitely not. 392 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,880 Everything's got a security measure on it. 393 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,160 They want a backup for a backup, and they use your e-mail, 394 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,480 your phone number, password, 395 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,840 and if that don't work, then you use your e-mail for the password. 396 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,520 You try that, and it still doesn't connect. 397 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,960 You're like, "What's the sense of asking me for the e-mail to verify 398 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,160 the phone number if... 399 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,960 when I give it to you, it's not allowing me to get in?" 400 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,480 When it gets to the point 401 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,200 where... 402 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,000 you get that frustrated, 403 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,120 the best thing to do is to just 404 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,600 get away from it for a while and go back to it later. 405 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,120 You gotta quit letting it beat you down. 406 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,800 It's just a computer. 407 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,520 It's not life and death. 408 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,760 The last... 409 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:40,760 I'd say, three or four days, 410 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,880 Dale has been very frustrated. 411 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:47,760 For him, 412 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,320 basically, the world kind of stood still when he got locked up. 413 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,480 While out here, we just kept up with it, 414 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,400 we learned the technology, and so 415 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,680 he's got to learn it all of it. 416 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:01,760 It takes time. 417 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:03,760 It feels like 418 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,560 he wants to do everything by tomorrow, 419 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,840 and you can't do that. 420 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,160 There's not enough hours in the day. 421 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,400 Money is very tight right now, 422 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,200 simply because with an extra body in the house, 423 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,080 the bills are going up, and there's no extra money yet 424 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,640 coming in. 425 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,800 But we'll make it. 426 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,320 We'll make it. 427 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,840 He gets a job, and everything will be fine. 428 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,040 As far as getting a job, 429 00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:40,400 I don't know, because he doesn't have any experience, 430 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,800 and I've been telling him 431 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,560 he needs to pace himself and not try to put so much on his plate. 432 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,600 Being limited in my movements 433 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:55,480 has really been hard. 434 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,640 I've been waiting three decades to get my life back, 435 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,880 to make an impact, to do the right thing and touch other people. 436 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,320 You know, for God. 437 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,520 And it's frustrating. 438 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,400 People can't understand. 439 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,960 When you want to give back, 440 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,360 and you want to love other people, 441 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,360 and you want to be around people. 442 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,880 That's why it bothers me so much that I can't... 443 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,080 socialize, 444 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,520 work in the community and get to know people. 445 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,520 I mean, I'm very limited, 446 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,160 you know? 447 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:41,960 And, uh... 448 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,520 I know things will only get better... 449 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,560 but it's just frustrating. 450 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,320 Is there anything you wanna get on the way home, or just wanna go home? 451 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,640 We can get, uh... 452 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,760 barbecue? 453 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,440 Uh, there's pizza. Yesterday was half-priced hamburgers, 454 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,000 - and I forgot. - I'm gonna share something with you 455 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,680 - that you're probably not even aware of. - When? 456 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,720 - Right now? - You see that sign there? 457 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,040 - What sign? - Subway sign. 458 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,120 Subway? Yeah. 459 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,680 For the rest of my life, 460 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,480 every time I see that sign, 461 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,200 it brings back that night. 462 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,240 Oh, really? 463 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,320 The hardest thing for us to do is to forgive ourselves. 464 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,280 I need to learn to forgive myself, 465 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,440 and I haven't learned how to do that yet. 466 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,080 It'll come in time. 467 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,200 It just takes 468 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,080 a while. 469 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,840 Every time I see that, it just... 470 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,680 It just reopens the wound. 471 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,920 Dale knows that what he did was wrong, 472 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,000 and... nobody can punish him 473 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,800 as severely as he punishes himself. 474 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,920 He is so remorseful over it. 475 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,760 And that's just something that he'll carry with him 476 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,440 for the rest of his life. 477 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,240 It'll always be a part of his DNA. 478 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,360 All of this and everything that I went through 479 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,200 is because of my choices. 480 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,120 Because of who I was. 481 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,240 But I'm no longer that person. 482 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,480 For the last 30 years... 483 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:09,520 I've been... 484 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,680 villainized, 485 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,200 called a monster, 486 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,760 an animal, someone unworthy to live. 487 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,320 That's never been the true case. 488 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,720 I'm not an animal. 489 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:23,920 I'm not some monster. 490 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,560 What people generally don't understand 491 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,560 is the true story of April 492 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:31,960 in 1990. 493 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,440 They look at it as a robbery-homicide. 494 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,720 "He did it for the money", but that is not what it was about. 495 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,400 "Arlington restaurant employee slain during apparent robbery. 496 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,360 John W. Zeltner, 31, of Arlington, was pronounced dead at the scene." 497 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,280 - Senseless murder. - Yeah. 498 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,240 Had no reason for it. He did it just to do it. 499 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,440 When he killed my brother, 500 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,480 that was no accident, he didn't... 501 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,720 The trigger... He didn't flip on the trigger. 502 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,400 You don't pull a trigger six times accidentally, 503 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,920 you know, it's just... That was no accident. 504 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,600 So, that's a statement. 505 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,840 That's a statement, you know? 506 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,440 You wanna kill, it only takes one bullet. 507 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,440 You wanna make a statement? Shoot it five more times. 508 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,480 For the longest time, I thought there was more to it. 509 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,320 For the longest time. 510 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,480 I thought because he was gay, they wanted to kill him. 511 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,040 Back in the late '80s, early '90s, people were prejudiced. 512 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,400 I thought maybe that's what it was, you know? 513 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,360 That because he was gay, and he was open about it, 514 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,160 they didn't like it. That's what I thought. 515 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,720 But I was wrong, you know? 516 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,720 But that was just me being mad. 517 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,640 Apparently, that's all it was. Just money. 518 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,680 People believe that they understand what happened 519 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,120 in April 1990. 520 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,400 But going through trial, 521 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,320 no one genuinely knew what was going on. 522 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,840 No one knew the whole story, 523 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,840 because I never told anyone. 524 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,080 Truthfully, the only one that really knows, 525 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,440 is the victim, God, and I. 526 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,680 It wasn't until after my father died 527 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,640 that I realized that 528 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,280 in order for me to be the man of God, 529 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,120 I have to tell the story. 530 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,000 I have to be totally transparent. 531 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,440 People believe it was a robbery-homicidefor the money, 532 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,960 but that's farthest from the truth. 533 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:01,360 It wasn't about the robbery. 534 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,040 The robbery was to cover up the true intention of the homicide. 535 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,880 The reason that I went to the store was to kill John. 536 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,440 I killed him, because 537 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,400 he tried to blackmail me... 538 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,720 into a homosexual relationship. 539 00:35:20,824 --> 00:35:23,824 Subtitles Diego Moraes(oakislandtk) www.opensubtitles.org