1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,003 ♪♪ 2 00:00:04,003 --> 00:00:06,139 He was a very popular guy in high school. 3 00:00:06,139 --> 00:00:08,508 Zach Horwitz basically grew up like a Hollywood star. 4 00:00:08,508 --> 00:00:10,143 Goldberg: A Midwest kid with Hollywood dreams. 5 00:00:10,143 --> 00:00:14,347 It's a familiar story, but this one is a blockbuster. 6 00:00:14,347 --> 00:00:20,987 ♪♪ 7 00:00:20,987 --> 00:00:22,655 Right off the bat, it was apparent 8 00:00:22,655 --> 00:00:26,025 that there were several hundreds of million dollars 9 00:00:26,025 --> 00:00:28,094 that nobody could account for. 10 00:00:28,094 --> 00:00:31,030 It's not just about a guy who wants to be behind the camera. 11 00:00:31,030 --> 00:00:32,966 He wants to be a star. 12 00:00:32,966 --> 00:00:34,434 Clark: I was not terribly impressed 13 00:00:34,434 --> 00:00:36,970 by Zach's acting chops. 14 00:00:36,970 --> 00:00:40,440 He found another route to the top. 15 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,776 Mosley: This was an investor's dream come true. 16 00:00:42,776 --> 00:00:44,778 They're all in big Hollywood business. 17 00:00:44,778 --> 00:00:48,848 Verrasto: It's everybody from your mom, your dad, grandparents. 18 00:00:48,848 --> 00:00:50,150 And then they lost everything. 19 00:00:50,150 --> 00:00:51,484 Krebs: Nobody saw it coming. 20 00:00:51,484 --> 00:00:53,820 I couldn't fathom doing that to friends. 21 00:00:53,820 --> 00:00:56,222 Schwab: A Ponzi scheme can only grow so large. 22 00:00:56,222 --> 00:00:58,691 Hackett: He had a 1,000-bottle wine cellar. 23 00:00:58,691 --> 00:01:00,360 He flew on private jets. 24 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,862 He wore $500 T-shirts. 25 00:01:02,862 --> 00:01:04,197 Krebs: Zach commanded attention 26 00:01:04,197 --> 00:01:06,533 regardless of who the audience was. 27 00:01:06,533 --> 00:01:08,668 Goldberg: He's got plenty of attention now, 28 00:01:08,668 --> 00:01:11,905 but I'm not really sure he's going to like it. 29 00:01:11,905 --> 00:01:15,475 Mosley: Zachary and his wife, Mallory, get a wake-up call. 30 00:01:15,475 --> 00:01:16,843 It's an FBI raid. 31 00:01:16,843 --> 00:01:18,178 Clark: It seemed like something 32 00:01:18,178 --> 00:01:20,880 that would only happen in the movies. 33 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,384 Goldberg: Oh, no, no, honey, this is happening in real life. 34 00:01:24,384 --> 00:01:26,653 And it's happening to you. 35 00:01:26,653 --> 00:01:29,422 ♪♪ 36 00:01:29,422 --> 00:01:34,427 I'm Whoopi Goldberg, and this is "The Con." 37 00:01:34,427 --> 00:01:37,730 -- Captions by VITAC -- 38 00:01:37,730 --> 00:01:39,532 Welcome to Fort Wayne, Indiana, 39 00:01:39,532 --> 00:01:43,203 a working-class town at the crossroads of America, 40 00:01:43,203 --> 00:01:46,739 the perfect opening scene for a starry-eyed dreamer 41 00:01:46,739 --> 00:01:49,943 who's going places. 42 00:01:49,943 --> 00:01:52,045 To guide us on this epic journey, 43 00:01:52,045 --> 00:01:55,682 we've brought in self-professed scam goddess Laci Mosley, 44 00:01:55,682 --> 00:02:00,019 who can spot a Hollywood grifter 2,000 miles away. 45 00:02:00,019 --> 00:02:04,257 Mosley: This is Zach Horwitz, actor, writer, producer. 46 00:02:04,257 --> 00:02:07,227 And his story, like many Hollywood stories, 47 00:02:07,227 --> 00:02:09,429 began far, far away. 48 00:02:09,429 --> 00:02:11,698 ♪♪ 49 00:02:11,698 --> 00:02:14,801 Krebs: Growing up in Fort Wayne was not quite a small-town feel, 50 00:02:14,801 --> 00:02:16,603 but it was very family-oriented. 51 00:02:16,603 --> 00:02:19,038 ♪♪ 52 00:02:19,038 --> 00:02:20,807 It was the type of community 53 00:02:20,807 --> 00:02:23,409 where if you went to school with someone in kindergarten, 54 00:02:23,409 --> 00:02:25,478 chances were you were still going to be in school with them 55 00:02:25,478 --> 00:02:27,480 in high school. [ School bell rings ] 56 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,950 For the most part, you knew the majority of the class. 57 00:02:30,950 --> 00:02:32,952 ♪♪ 58 00:02:32,952 --> 00:02:35,154 I met Zach around sophomore year. 59 00:02:35,154 --> 00:02:37,123 From there, we became friends. 60 00:02:37,123 --> 00:02:39,292 Goldberg: Despite being the new kid in town, 61 00:02:39,292 --> 00:02:40,994 Zach redefined his role 62 00:02:40,994 --> 00:02:43,963 as big man on campus in Fort Wayne. 63 00:02:43,963 --> 00:02:46,432 He was a very popular guy in high school. 64 00:02:46,432 --> 00:02:48,301 ♪♪ 65 00:02:48,301 --> 00:02:52,472 Clark: I was classmates with Zach Horwitz. 66 00:02:52,472 --> 00:02:55,608 He was a jock through and through. 67 00:02:55,608 --> 00:02:57,610 Being an athlete, playing football 68 00:02:57,610 --> 00:03:00,146 was really, really intrinsically tied 69 00:03:00,146 --> 00:03:03,583 to who Zach Horwitz was in high school. 70 00:03:03,583 --> 00:03:06,252 He always looked like somebody that, 71 00:03:06,252 --> 00:03:09,822 hey, that's what a star athlete looks like. 72 00:03:09,822 --> 00:03:13,293 You know, Zach was that popular guy in everybody's high school. 73 00:03:13,293 --> 00:03:15,295 Really good looking, great hair, 74 00:03:15,295 --> 00:03:18,364 got along with the geeks and the jocks. 75 00:03:18,364 --> 00:03:20,166 He was beloved by all. 76 00:03:20,166 --> 00:03:24,971 He was even voted Best Body. 77 00:03:24,971 --> 00:03:27,473 Clark: I recall talking to the yearbook photographer 78 00:03:27,473 --> 00:03:30,476 who took that photo, and they remarked 79 00:03:30,476 --> 00:03:33,813 how he insisted on taking his shirt off, 80 00:03:33,813 --> 00:03:37,483 disrobing, really showing off what he had. 81 00:03:37,483 --> 00:03:40,153 That is a very weird yearbook category. 82 00:03:40,153 --> 00:03:43,556 Why are the kids voting on each other's bodies? Strange. 83 00:03:44,824 --> 00:03:46,960 Zach Horwitz basically grew up 84 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,195 like a Hollywood star in Fort Wayne, Indiana, 85 00:03:49,195 --> 00:03:50,964 because everywhere he went, he turned heads, 86 00:03:50,964 --> 00:03:53,366 and he thrived off of it. 87 00:03:53,366 --> 00:03:55,234 Maybe he lived for it. 88 00:03:55,234 --> 00:03:57,503 Goldberg: That can be all it takes to get the bug. 89 00:03:57,503 --> 00:04:01,374 Why hide those talents under a helmet and pads? 90 00:04:01,374 --> 00:04:02,475 At some point, he did get into drama and acting. 91 00:04:02,475 --> 00:04:05,011 Krebs: Most of us had to take one theater class 92 00:04:05,011 --> 00:04:06,746 while in high school. 93 00:04:06,746 --> 00:04:10,583 He was a really captivating storyteller. 94 00:04:10,583 --> 00:04:13,653 My lasting memory of Zach is 95 00:04:13,653 --> 00:04:16,222 we were in a class once, 96 00:04:16,222 --> 00:04:19,258 and he regaled the class with this story 97 00:04:19,258 --> 00:04:24,697 of how he and his sister were at this shopping mall in Florida, 98 00:04:24,697 --> 00:04:29,268 and they were approached by Derek Jeter, 99 00:04:29,268 --> 00:04:32,839 and he invited both of them back to his estate 100 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,241 to have dinner that night. 101 00:04:35,241 --> 00:04:37,510 Goldberg: Yankees legend Derek Jeter? 102 00:04:37,510 --> 00:04:39,178 'Cause for someone in high school, 103 00:04:39,178 --> 00:04:41,547 that's an incredible story. 104 00:04:41,547 --> 00:04:45,785 I'm not sure that I believe it, but his classmates seem to. 105 00:04:45,785 --> 00:04:48,721 It seemed like something that would only happen in the movies, 106 00:04:48,721 --> 00:04:50,023 and here it was. 107 00:04:50,023 --> 00:04:51,924 The guy I'm sitting next to in class, 108 00:04:51,924 --> 00:04:54,694 it actually happened to him. 109 00:04:54,694 --> 00:04:56,863 Krebs: Zach and I graduated high school together, 110 00:04:56,863 --> 00:04:59,699 and we both got accepted to Indiana University. 111 00:04:59,699 --> 00:05:03,102 We decided that we were going to room together our freshman year. 112 00:05:03,102 --> 00:05:05,705 I.U. is kind of where the cool kids go, 113 00:05:05,705 --> 00:05:08,574 so it seemed like a good fit for Zach. 114 00:05:08,574 --> 00:05:11,077 Krebs: We had a large group of friends that would be there. 115 00:05:11,077 --> 00:05:12,745 The group of guys that we were hanging out with 116 00:05:12,745 --> 00:05:15,581 were guys that I expected to spend our later years in life 117 00:05:15,581 --> 00:05:17,050 still being friends with. 118 00:05:17,050 --> 00:05:20,486 Mosley: Zach is the typical all-American guy. 119 00:05:20,486 --> 00:05:25,158 He's got these piercing eyes, and people really like him. 120 00:05:26,559 --> 00:05:28,227 Krebs: Our junior year of college, 121 00:05:28,227 --> 00:05:30,596 Zach met his girlfriend, Mallory. 122 00:05:30,596 --> 00:05:32,832 He seemed to really like her quite a bit. 123 00:05:32,832 --> 00:05:34,267 He would still go out to the bars with us. 124 00:05:34,267 --> 00:05:36,102 He was still doing all of his classwork, 125 00:05:36,102 --> 00:05:40,440 but the rest of his free time was spent primarily with her. 126 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,077 He got good grades throughout, graduated on time. 127 00:05:44,077 --> 00:05:45,445 I knew that, at the end of the day, 128 00:05:45,445 --> 00:05:47,246 that he was going to be a successful guy. 129 00:05:47,246 --> 00:05:49,348 He's always done well for himself. 130 00:05:49,348 --> 00:05:52,085 I figured that he would land on his feet regardless 131 00:05:52,085 --> 00:05:54,520 of what the next direction was that he wanted to go in. 132 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,290 ♪♪ 133 00:05:57,290 --> 00:05:59,992 So, Zach leaves Indiana and goes to Chicago, 134 00:05:59,992 --> 00:06:02,328 where he opens up a smoothie bar called FUL, 135 00:06:02,328 --> 00:06:06,632 spelled F-U-L, you know, fuel. 136 00:06:06,632 --> 00:06:10,303 Goldberg: And for a city that's knee-deep in melted cheese, 137 00:06:10,303 --> 00:06:12,171 smoothies and salads 138 00:06:12,171 --> 00:06:14,474 would certainly disrupt the market. 139 00:06:14,474 --> 00:06:17,877 Krebs: Zach told us he planned to open a restaurant in July of 2011. 140 00:06:17,877 --> 00:06:19,545 Zach mentioned to me 141 00:06:19,545 --> 00:06:22,448 about wanting me to be involved in it in late September. 142 00:06:22,448 --> 00:06:24,050 A large group of our friends 143 00:06:24,050 --> 00:06:27,653 were a part of this restaurant opening. 144 00:06:27,653 --> 00:06:29,322 The restaurant was beautiful. 145 00:06:29,322 --> 00:06:31,157 It appeared to be busy, but they were going to 146 00:06:31,157 --> 00:06:36,696 try to build FUL into a larger national chain. 147 00:06:36,696 --> 00:06:38,898 My wife and I went out to Chicago, 148 00:06:38,898 --> 00:06:41,033 put a down payment on an apartment out there. 149 00:06:41,033 --> 00:06:42,735 I put in my two-weeks' notice at work 150 00:06:42,735 --> 00:06:46,973 and had planned to move to Chicago after Thanksgiving. 151 00:06:46,973 --> 00:06:49,408 FUL was well-received when it opened. 152 00:06:49,408 --> 00:06:51,344 But from a financial standpoint, 153 00:06:51,344 --> 00:06:53,913 it wasn't making a profit yet at this point. 154 00:06:53,913 --> 00:06:55,681 It seemed like one of those things 155 00:06:55,681 --> 00:06:57,350 where you can get in at the ground level. 156 00:06:57,350 --> 00:06:59,051 You can work with your friends 157 00:06:59,051 --> 00:07:01,654 and hopefully turn it into something that's really big. 158 00:07:01,654 --> 00:07:04,323 Goldberg: While his friends are prepping sandwiches, 159 00:07:04,323 --> 00:07:08,060 Zach starts preparing for acting roles. 160 00:07:08,060 --> 00:07:11,230 He talked openly about wanting to make it as an actor. 161 00:07:11,230 --> 00:07:14,834 Goldberg: He takes a few classes and books some short films. 162 00:07:14,834 --> 00:07:19,172 It's no red carpet, but it sure beats green juice. 163 00:07:19,172 --> 00:07:20,907 The friend group that he brought in, 164 00:07:20,907 --> 00:07:22,241 everybody was kind of working together. 165 00:07:22,241 --> 00:07:24,110 They had their own specialized field, 166 00:07:24,110 --> 00:07:26,712 and everybody at the same time was still working in the store. 167 00:07:26,712 --> 00:07:29,582 They were making sandwiches. They were making smoothies. 168 00:07:29,582 --> 00:07:33,219 They were managing it from open to close every day. 169 00:07:33,219 --> 00:07:35,221 ♪♪ 170 00:07:35,221 --> 00:07:37,890 In November of 2011, 171 00:07:37,890 --> 00:07:40,893 two weeks after I put the down payment 172 00:07:40,893 --> 00:07:42,895 on the apartment in Chicago, 173 00:07:42,895 --> 00:07:45,565 I got an e-mail from Zach saying that he was basically 174 00:07:45,565 --> 00:07:49,468 going to close the doors on the business and disband it. 175 00:07:49,468 --> 00:07:51,604 ♪♪ 176 00:07:51,604 --> 00:07:52,939 Nobody saw it coming. 177 00:07:52,939 --> 00:07:55,308 It seemed like it happened overnight. 178 00:07:55,308 --> 00:07:56,809 It felt like betrayal. 179 00:07:56,809 --> 00:08:00,046 I couldn't fathom doing that to friends. 180 00:08:00,046 --> 00:08:01,948 I was disappointed with the closing personally, 181 00:08:01,948 --> 00:08:04,250 just because that was a new chapter in my life 182 00:08:04,250 --> 00:08:06,252 that I expected to partake in and didn't happen. 183 00:08:06,252 --> 00:08:08,421 There were a lot of things going on at home, 184 00:08:08,421 --> 00:08:09,989 and my wife was pregnant, so it was tough. 185 00:08:09,989 --> 00:08:12,825 The group of friends we had were all in Chicago 186 00:08:12,825 --> 00:08:15,728 with leases on apartments or condos, 187 00:08:15,728 --> 00:08:19,899 and they needed to find a new job and a new way of living. 188 00:08:19,899 --> 00:08:21,934 ♪♪ 189 00:08:21,934 --> 00:08:25,104 Goldberg: Seems Zach didn't get into show biz to make friends, 190 00:08:25,104 --> 00:08:28,841 and he might have lost a few when he left the smoothie biz. 191 00:08:28,841 --> 00:08:30,676 Mosley: Suddenly, he leaves his friends in Chicago 192 00:08:30,676 --> 00:08:31,344 and decides he's going to bigger and better things -- 193 00:08:31,344 --> 00:08:35,081 Hollywood. 194 00:08:35,081 --> 00:08:37,583 Goldberg: Dreams aren't going to chase themselves. 195 00:08:37,583 --> 00:08:39,185 And Zach leaves behind a nightmare 196 00:08:39,185 --> 00:08:41,654 for those back in Chicago. 197 00:08:41,654 --> 00:08:44,724 ♪♪ 198 00:08:50,930 --> 00:08:56,302 ♪♪ 199 00:08:56,302 --> 00:08:58,971 Goldberg: In late 2011, 200 00:08:58,971 --> 00:09:02,174 Zach Horwitz put the Second City in his rearview mirror, 201 00:09:02,174 --> 00:09:05,211 leaving behind his friends and the health food business 202 00:09:05,211 --> 00:09:09,448 with a new goal -- to make it big in La La Land 203 00:09:09,448 --> 00:09:11,617 with a shiny, new stage name, 204 00:09:11,617 --> 00:09:15,388 Zach Avery. 205 00:09:15,388 --> 00:09:17,390 Krebs: I don't believe he had even gotten any roles yet. 206 00:09:17,390 --> 00:09:20,826 He was really just putting video out there as part of his reel 207 00:09:20,826 --> 00:09:24,397 or whatever for trying to land an acting job. 208 00:09:24,397 --> 00:09:25,731 And to be honest, they were -- 209 00:09:25,731 --> 00:09:29,035 They were hard to watch at the time. 210 00:09:29,035 --> 00:09:33,839 I'm watching Zachary Horwitz's acting demo reel. 211 00:09:33,839 --> 00:09:37,043 Let's see what Zach is giving. 212 00:09:37,043 --> 00:09:39,478 I'm the man of the house now. 213 00:09:39,478 --> 00:09:41,347 You know why? 214 00:09:41,347 --> 00:09:43,582 'Cause you're just a [bleep] child. 215 00:09:43,582 --> 00:09:44,684 Oh. 216 00:09:44,684 --> 00:09:46,585 Wow, this man was terrible. 217 00:09:46,585 --> 00:09:48,688 This was so bad -- I feel -- 218 00:09:48,688 --> 00:09:51,090 Zach, you owe me money. 219 00:09:51,090 --> 00:09:53,259 Goldberg: Zach's first big-screen credit 220 00:09:53,259 --> 00:09:56,362 was in the Brad Pitt war movie "Fury." 221 00:09:56,362 --> 00:09:58,230 There he is. 222 00:09:58,230 --> 00:10:01,567 Wait. Or is that him? 223 00:10:01,567 --> 00:10:03,869 Well, he's in there somewhere. 224 00:10:03,869 --> 00:10:08,074 And despite landing the non-speaking role of tank medic, 225 00:10:08,074 --> 00:10:11,444 parts just did not come rolling in for Zach. 226 00:10:11,444 --> 00:10:13,279 So, whilst Zachary's acting career 227 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:16,015 is ascending at a snail's pace, 228 00:10:16,015 --> 00:10:18,751 he decides to create a production company. 229 00:10:18,751 --> 00:10:21,587 Clark: When the acting work wasn't coming 230 00:10:21,587 --> 00:10:23,889 as rapidly as he figured it would, 231 00:10:23,889 --> 00:10:27,426 I think that he found another route to the top. 232 00:10:27,426 --> 00:10:31,197 ♪♪ 233 00:10:31,197 --> 00:10:34,567 Goldberg: Making it big in the movie business is not easy. 234 00:10:34,567 --> 00:10:36,369 [ Chuckles ] I should know. 235 00:10:36,369 --> 00:10:39,705 And the only way to make sure the kid stays in the picture 236 00:10:39,705 --> 00:10:43,209 is to be the one producing the picture. 237 00:10:43,209 --> 00:10:45,778 My name is Larry Hackett, ABC News contributor, 238 00:10:45,778 --> 00:10:48,981 and I'm the former editor-in- chief of People magazine. 239 00:10:48,981 --> 00:10:52,151 In Hollywood, there's a very low cost to entry. 240 00:10:52,151 --> 00:10:54,720 I mean, anybody can claim they're a movie producer 241 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:59,058 and claim they've got a script or claim they have a new star. 242 00:10:59,058 --> 00:11:01,093 So while Zach Avery was the actor, 243 00:11:01,093 --> 00:11:05,664 Zach Horwitz was the growing movie investor/producer 244 00:11:05,664 --> 00:11:07,133 who created a company called 245 00:11:07,133 --> 00:11:09,735 1inMM Productions. [one in a million] 246 00:11:09,735 --> 00:11:11,170 He loved the idea of this name 247 00:11:11,170 --> 00:11:13,506 'cause it suggested to potential investors 248 00:11:13,506 --> 00:11:17,276 that the idea of movie success is one in a million, 249 00:11:17,276 --> 00:11:22,248 and you should be that one who has that success. 250 00:11:22,248 --> 00:11:24,083 Goldberg: Production company -- check. 251 00:11:24,083 --> 00:11:26,285 Killer catchphrase -- double check. 252 00:11:26,285 --> 00:11:29,422 A way to make money? Well, not so much. 253 00:11:29,422 --> 00:11:31,190 Little help here? 254 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:32,658 My name is Anita Surendran. 255 00:11:32,658 --> 00:11:36,262 I'm an entertainment lawyer in Beverly Hills. 256 00:11:36,262 --> 00:11:38,364 When you are selling a film in Hollywood, 257 00:11:38,364 --> 00:11:40,166 there's a few different ways that you can do it. 258 00:11:40,166 --> 00:11:43,502 One is through the studio route. They fully finance the budget, 259 00:11:43,502 --> 00:11:45,838 and then they control the distribution of the film 260 00:11:45,838 --> 00:11:47,673 once it's produced. 261 00:11:47,673 --> 00:11:51,444 The other route is to go through an independent financing model. 262 00:11:51,444 --> 00:11:54,146 You are putting together the financing yourself 263 00:11:54,146 --> 00:11:57,817 and then finding ways to bring it to a distributor. 264 00:11:57,817 --> 00:11:59,819 Goldberg: There's a new way to watch movies, 265 00:11:59,819 --> 00:12:02,822 and Zach sees a new way to make money. 266 00:12:02,822 --> 00:12:05,958 He just needs some investors to buy in. 267 00:12:05,958 --> 00:12:08,527 At this time, the streaming wars had just begun, 268 00:12:08,527 --> 00:12:11,230 and they're all hungry for content, and they're looking 269 00:12:11,230 --> 00:12:14,633 for production companies to provide it. 270 00:12:14,633 --> 00:12:16,402 Surendran: It was a little bit of the Wild West, 271 00:12:16,402 --> 00:12:19,972 because a lot of these companies were figuring themselves out. 272 00:12:19,972 --> 00:12:23,075 So they were happy to work with emerging filmmakers, 273 00:12:23,075 --> 00:12:26,812 and Netflix was kind of going after a much wider scope. 274 00:12:26,812 --> 00:12:29,148 Hackett: So, what Zach said to people was, 275 00:12:29,148 --> 00:12:31,817 "These streaming services exist globally, 276 00:12:31,817 --> 00:12:33,886 and they have different rights and different projects 277 00:12:33,886 --> 00:12:35,187 in different countries. 278 00:12:35,187 --> 00:12:37,523 What I'm going to do, investor, 279 00:12:37,523 --> 00:12:39,925 is to buy the rights to a movie. 280 00:12:39,925 --> 00:12:42,027 Netflix can then pay for and broadcast in Latin America, 281 00:12:42,027 --> 00:12:45,397 in Australia, anywhere but in the United States and Europe." 282 00:12:45,397 --> 00:12:47,666 And people would think, "Okay, that sounds good." 283 00:12:47,666 --> 00:12:49,535 So the idea is I'm a broker. 284 00:12:49,535 --> 00:12:51,937 I'm a kind of toll plaza, if you will. 285 00:12:51,937 --> 00:12:54,573 You give me the money. I buy the movies. 286 00:12:54,573 --> 00:12:57,009 I lease them to Netflix and other streaming services. 287 00:12:57,009 --> 00:13:00,579 In return, you'll get 35 to 40% 288 00:13:00,579 --> 00:13:03,048 on top of your initial investment. 289 00:13:03,048 --> 00:13:06,185 Goldberg: A middleman delivering 40% returns? 290 00:13:06,185 --> 00:13:09,021 There's always been money in movie magic, 291 00:13:09,021 --> 00:13:13,125 but that is the kind of profit that parts the Red Sea. 292 00:13:13,125 --> 00:13:14,693 He kind of essentially meant 293 00:13:14,693 --> 00:13:16,896 that it was a guaranteed investment. 294 00:13:16,896 --> 00:13:18,731 He was going to be the guy to find it, 295 00:13:18,731 --> 00:13:20,866 bring it to them, sell it to them. 296 00:13:20,866 --> 00:13:25,104 And you, the investor, were going to reap the benefits. 297 00:13:25,104 --> 00:13:27,206 Goldberg: Remember those friends from college? 298 00:13:27,206 --> 00:13:30,409 Yeah, the ones that got mixed up in the smoothie business? 299 00:13:30,409 --> 00:13:32,244 Well, he's going to make it up to them 300 00:13:32,244 --> 00:13:35,381 with an offer they can't refuse. 301 00:13:35,381 --> 00:13:37,283 Zach enlisted some of his college friends, 302 00:13:37,283 --> 00:13:39,952 people who'd gone out and become financial planners 303 00:13:39,952 --> 00:13:42,087 and investment experts. 304 00:13:42,087 --> 00:13:44,623 Based on their friendship and based on their history, 305 00:13:44,623 --> 00:13:48,327 he got them to invest their money. 306 00:13:48,327 --> 00:13:50,129 Surendran: A lot of times, you see investors 307 00:13:50,129 --> 00:13:51,730 who are not Hollywood people, 308 00:13:51,730 --> 00:13:53,766 who don't know how the industry works, 309 00:13:53,766 --> 00:13:56,001 and they come to the table 'cause they'd like to get in 310 00:13:56,001 --> 00:13:57,803 because it's a cool business. 311 00:13:57,803 --> 00:14:00,739 Krebs: Once our group of friends started to get involved, 312 00:14:00,739 --> 00:14:03,842 that's when I really took notice of what he was doing 313 00:14:03,842 --> 00:14:06,345 from the movie distribution standpoint. 314 00:14:06,345 --> 00:14:08,447 I certainly asked him questions. 315 00:14:08,447 --> 00:14:10,182 He kind of told me what he was doing, 316 00:14:10,182 --> 00:14:13,419 and it seemed like a reasonable explanation, 317 00:14:13,419 --> 00:14:15,854 and that was it. 318 00:14:15,854 --> 00:14:17,957 And so, yeah, parents got involved, 319 00:14:17,957 --> 00:14:21,594 grandparents got involved, in-laws, friends. 320 00:14:21,594 --> 00:14:24,330 Hackett: The idea that if you live in the Midwest, 321 00:14:24,330 --> 00:14:25,998 and you can invest some money, 322 00:14:25,998 --> 00:14:27,800 and you're going to get, "A," your money back, 323 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,001 and perhaps one day, you'll be able 324 00:14:29,001 --> 00:14:30,803 to put on a tuxedo and get an Oscar 325 00:14:30,803 --> 00:14:34,673 'cause you were a producer, that's very, very attractive. 326 00:14:34,673 --> 00:14:37,977 It was a $20,000 kind of initial commitment 327 00:14:37,977 --> 00:14:39,678 in order to get involved. 328 00:14:39,678 --> 00:14:42,982 And Zach was somebody that I trusted explicitly. 329 00:14:42,982 --> 00:14:46,018 Hackett: Initial investors signed a promissory note 330 00:14:46,018 --> 00:14:49,221 and then got back up to 45% of their investment. 331 00:14:49,221 --> 00:14:51,156 This sounds like a good deal. 332 00:14:51,156 --> 00:14:53,626 Krebs: 2016, 2017 is when we really started 333 00:14:53,626 --> 00:14:55,294 to see people that were making money 334 00:14:55,294 --> 00:14:58,364 and doing really well and living a nicer lifestyle. 335 00:14:58,364 --> 00:15:01,333 ♪♪ 336 00:15:01,333 --> 00:15:03,035 Goldberg: Zach has sold the Hollywood dream 337 00:15:03,035 --> 00:15:05,037 to his friends in the Midwest, 338 00:15:05,037 --> 00:15:08,741 and everyone is getting a taste of success. 339 00:15:08,741 --> 00:15:10,075 With that, he's started to make a name for himself in Hollywood. 340 00:15:10,075 --> 00:15:12,711 People, his friends who he'd gone to, the financial planners, 341 00:15:12,711 --> 00:15:14,079 told other people. 342 00:15:14,079 --> 00:15:16,815 And soon, money was streaming in to people. 343 00:15:16,815 --> 00:15:18,751 They believed it was a smart investment 344 00:15:18,751 --> 00:15:20,853 and that they were on the bottom floor 345 00:15:20,853 --> 00:15:25,190 of what became this absolutely voracious streaming mania 346 00:15:25,190 --> 00:15:27,259 throughout the past decade. 347 00:15:27,259 --> 00:15:29,495 This was an investor's dream come true. 348 00:15:29,495 --> 00:15:32,331 They're seeing returns, and everybody's over the moon. 349 00:15:32,331 --> 00:15:34,933 They're all in big Hollywood business. 350 00:15:34,933 --> 00:15:36,902 Goldberg: Hold onto your seats, darling. 351 00:15:36,902 --> 00:15:39,071 There's going to be a plot twist. 352 00:15:39,071 --> 00:15:41,240 ♪♪ 353 00:15:45,778 --> 00:15:48,247 ♪♪ 354 00:15:48,247 --> 00:15:50,883 Even though Zachary was killing it on the investment front, 355 00:15:50,883 --> 00:15:54,019 his acting career was still D. O. A. 356 00:15:54,019 --> 00:15:57,189 So he decided to use some of that money that was coming in 357 00:15:57,189 --> 00:16:01,060 to invest in projects that he could cast himself in. 358 00:16:01,060 --> 00:16:03,796 What Zach Horwitz, movie producer, did 359 00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:07,700 as Zach Avery, growing movie star, 360 00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:09,368 was basically pay for play. 361 00:16:09,368 --> 00:16:12,604 He took his own money, and he made his own projects. 362 00:16:12,604 --> 00:16:15,274 It was enough money, millions of dollars, 363 00:16:15,274 --> 00:16:17,910 that he could sustain the creation of movies 364 00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:20,245 and stick himself in the cast. 365 00:16:20,245 --> 00:16:22,715 Zach was simply kind of refining and updating 366 00:16:22,715 --> 00:16:25,484 what was a very old, traditional Hollywood idea. 367 00:16:25,484 --> 00:16:27,152 And it worked. 368 00:16:27,152 --> 00:16:28,921 Everything's great. 369 00:16:28,921 --> 00:16:31,590 Goldberg: Zach Horwitz/Avery 370 00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:34,259 was making big waves in Los Angeles. 371 00:16:34,259 --> 00:16:36,395 The networking of Zach Horwitz 372 00:16:36,395 --> 00:16:40,599 turned into more and more screen time for Zach Avery. 373 00:16:40,599 --> 00:16:43,302 I think what makes Zach Horwitz's story so great 374 00:16:43,302 --> 00:16:44,837 is that it's not just about a guy 375 00:16:44,837 --> 00:16:46,605 who wants to be behind the camera. 376 00:16:46,605 --> 00:16:48,974 He wants to be a star. 377 00:16:48,974 --> 00:16:50,642 To look at his filmography, you would think 378 00:16:50,642 --> 00:16:52,411 that Zach Avery was a guy 379 00:16:52,411 --> 00:16:55,347 whose career was absolutely about to explode 380 00:16:55,347 --> 00:16:56,582 into A-list fame. 381 00:16:56,582 --> 00:16:58,450 He'd gone from uncredited roles 382 00:16:58,450 --> 00:17:01,620 to sort of mid-level roles with higher profiles, 383 00:17:01,620 --> 00:17:03,856 to starring alongside people like Olivia Munn 384 00:17:03,856 --> 00:17:06,158 in a film called "The Gateway." 385 00:17:06,158 --> 00:17:08,360 Avery: Yeah, well, I'm here now, and I'm done with that [bleep] 386 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:10,462 You don't have to worry about anything. 387 00:17:10,462 --> 00:17:11,964 Playing that dynamic 388 00:17:11,964 --> 00:17:15,501 between kind of the good guy and the bad guy 389 00:17:15,501 --> 00:17:19,037 and how I can work through those nuances was really fun. 390 00:17:20,272 --> 00:17:23,142 Hackett: It had nothing to do with Zach Avery's sudden talent 391 00:17:23,142 --> 00:17:24,977 that he became an above-the-board star 392 00:17:24,977 --> 00:17:26,178 or accredited star. 393 00:17:26,178 --> 00:17:27,679 It had to do with the fact, 394 00:17:27,679 --> 00:17:30,048 unbeknownst to people involved in the movie, 395 00:17:30,048 --> 00:17:32,985 that he was financing it with money that he raised. 396 00:17:32,985 --> 00:17:34,653 For what it's worth, 397 00:17:34,653 --> 00:17:38,657 I was not terribly impressed by Zach's acting chops, 398 00:17:38,657 --> 00:17:42,327 and I think for that reason, it was not terribly surprising 399 00:17:42,327 --> 00:17:45,330 to learn that he had a side hustle. 400 00:17:45,330 --> 00:17:46,999 If you have that kind of money, 401 00:17:46,999 --> 00:17:48,534 you can make your own playgrounds. 402 00:17:48,534 --> 00:17:51,003 And that's exactly what he was doing. 403 00:17:51,003 --> 00:17:52,871 He was building his own toys 404 00:17:52,871 --> 00:17:56,675 and hiring the best actors in Hollywood to play with him. 405 00:17:56,675 --> 00:17:59,711 ♪♪ 406 00:17:59,711 --> 00:18:02,714 Goldberg: We get it. He's not a great actor. 407 00:18:02,714 --> 00:18:06,084 But as a producer, he earned rave reviews. 408 00:18:06,084 --> 00:18:08,187 The money continued to flow, 409 00:18:08,187 --> 00:18:10,656 with more and more investors signing on 410 00:18:10,656 --> 00:18:12,090 for a piece of Hollywood riches. 411 00:18:12,090 --> 00:18:14,393 People were buying nice houses. 412 00:18:14,393 --> 00:18:16,094 They were talking about 413 00:18:16,094 --> 00:18:17,863 the return on investment that they were receiving 414 00:18:17,863 --> 00:18:20,866 and how happy they were with participating 415 00:18:20,866 --> 00:18:24,036 and being able to be a part of what Zach was doing. 416 00:18:24,036 --> 00:18:26,405 Hackett: Variety and trade magazines wrote stories 417 00:18:26,405 --> 00:18:29,575 about 1inMM Capital and about the idea 418 00:18:29,575 --> 00:18:32,377 of the investments involved in these movies. 419 00:18:32,377 --> 00:18:35,214 So much of this is about appearance, 420 00:18:35,214 --> 00:18:37,216 and whether or not it's successful 421 00:18:37,216 --> 00:18:41,920 is up to the people who don't live in Hollywood. 422 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,356 Goldberg: With his career on track to stardom, 423 00:18:44,356 --> 00:18:46,692 Zach asked his girlfriend, Mallory, 424 00:18:46,692 --> 00:18:49,094 to be his leading lady in life 425 00:18:49,094 --> 00:18:52,364 and began planning a blockbuster wedding. 426 00:18:52,364 --> 00:18:54,633 At this point, everything is going well for Zachary. 427 00:18:54,633 --> 00:18:58,237 He starts blowing this money on a big Hollywood wedding, 428 00:18:58,237 --> 00:19:00,572 and you know that had an open bar. 429 00:19:00,572 --> 00:19:02,374 Goldberg: In 2014, 430 00:19:02,374 --> 00:19:05,911 Horwitz assembled his friends and family in Beverly Hills 431 00:19:05,911 --> 00:19:10,048 to witness him marry his longtime girlfriend, Mallory. 432 00:19:10,048 --> 00:19:11,950 The wedding at the Four Seasons was very lavish. 433 00:19:11,950 --> 00:19:13,452 It was well-done. 434 00:19:13,452 --> 00:19:15,921 I'm sure that the wedding planner that they used 435 00:19:15,921 --> 00:19:17,155 cost a lot of money. 436 00:19:17,155 --> 00:19:19,391 She did a fantastic job. 437 00:19:19,391 --> 00:19:20,726 Hackett: I've seen weddings 438 00:19:20,726 --> 00:19:22,294 at the Four Seasons in Beverly Hills. 439 00:19:22,294 --> 00:19:23,795 They are elaborate affairs. 440 00:19:23,795 --> 00:19:27,132 They must cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. 441 00:19:27,132 --> 00:19:29,167 They're enormous testimonials 442 00:19:29,167 --> 00:19:32,271 to, frankly, the wealth and glamour and riches 443 00:19:32,271 --> 00:19:34,506 of the individuals having the ceremony. 444 00:19:34,506 --> 00:19:37,943 ♪♪ 445 00:19:37,943 --> 00:19:40,412 He had a 1,000-bottle wine cellar. 446 00:19:40,412 --> 00:19:41,980 He flew on private jets. 447 00:19:41,980 --> 00:19:45,450 He wore $500 T-shirts. 448 00:19:45,450 --> 00:19:48,854 Goldberg: Zach was the living embodiment of success. 449 00:19:48,854 --> 00:19:50,489 And the bigger he got, 450 00:19:50,489 --> 00:19:52,324 the more people wanted to follow in his footsteps. 451 00:19:52,324 --> 00:19:54,526 Hackett: I think when investors saw the lifestyle 452 00:19:54,526 --> 00:19:56,595 Zach was leading, they thought to themselves, 453 00:19:56,595 --> 00:19:58,297 "This is how it's done in Hollywood, 454 00:19:58,297 --> 00:20:01,300 and he's successful, and I should be part of it." 455 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:04,636 This helped him fan the flames and just bring in more money 456 00:20:04,636 --> 00:20:06,672 and live an even higher life. 457 00:20:06,672 --> 00:20:08,674 ♪♪ 458 00:20:08,674 --> 00:20:10,709 Goldberg: From 2014 to 2019, 459 00:20:10,709 --> 00:20:14,279 Zach was a filmmaking financial hit maker. 460 00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:19,651 Investors were paid on time with their 40% return profit. 461 00:20:19,651 --> 00:20:23,689 A well-oiled, camera-ready Hollywood machine. 462 00:20:23,689 --> 00:20:26,458 And then came 2020. 463 00:20:26,458 --> 00:20:28,527 Krebs: People were quitting their regular day jobs 464 00:20:28,527 --> 00:20:29,828 to participate in this 465 00:20:29,828 --> 00:20:31,163 and kind of pool all their money together. 466 00:20:31,163 --> 00:20:33,966 And by early 2020, 467 00:20:33,966 --> 00:20:37,970 there was talk that payments had started to be delayed. 468 00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:39,504 Goldberg: Uh-oh. 469 00:20:39,504 --> 00:20:42,140 ♪♪ 470 00:20:42,140 --> 00:20:44,376 Krebs: The initial reaction was worry. 471 00:20:44,376 --> 00:20:46,745 So I was asking questions. 472 00:20:46,745 --> 00:20:49,915 Zach was blaming HBO and Netflix. 473 00:20:49,915 --> 00:20:51,817 He said they weren't honoring the contract 474 00:20:51,817 --> 00:20:55,187 and paying on the exact date that they were supposed to. 475 00:20:55,187 --> 00:20:57,155 It was a similar update every time. 476 00:20:57,155 --> 00:20:59,358 "There's a reason why these guys can't pay, 477 00:20:59,358 --> 00:21:01,193 but I promise I'm working on it, 478 00:21:01,193 --> 00:21:04,029 and eventually, you'll get your money." 479 00:21:04,029 --> 00:21:06,331 Goldberg: You know, I've seen this movie before, 480 00:21:06,331 --> 00:21:08,667 and it's box office poison. 481 00:21:08,667 --> 00:21:11,670 ♪♪ 482 00:21:16,775 --> 00:21:18,844 ♪♪ 483 00:21:18,844 --> 00:21:20,846 Goldberg: 2020 -- a real-life disaster flick. 484 00:21:20,846 --> 00:21:22,347 And for Zach Horwitz, 485 00:21:22,347 --> 00:21:25,450 this was the year his meteoric rise in Hollywood 486 00:21:25,450 --> 00:21:29,287 started to look like it might crash back down to earth. 487 00:21:29,287 --> 00:21:32,924 The payments to investors start to get delayed, 488 00:21:32,924 --> 00:21:35,427 but Zachary promises that everything's fine. 489 00:21:35,427 --> 00:21:37,095 Krebs: As things kept progressing, 490 00:21:37,095 --> 00:21:39,898 there was always a different story or a reason 491 00:21:39,898 --> 00:21:41,733 as to why the payments weren't coming. 492 00:21:41,733 --> 00:21:45,404 And everybody was very mad. 493 00:21:45,404 --> 00:21:48,273 ♪♪ 494 00:21:48,273 --> 00:21:50,075 I've had conversations with friends, 495 00:21:50,075 --> 00:21:53,278 and they're talking about how much they had invested 496 00:21:53,278 --> 00:21:57,115 and just how difficult that circumstance was. 497 00:21:57,115 --> 00:21:59,584 It was basically, "We don't think there's any money, 498 00:21:59,584 --> 00:22:01,486 and there's no contracts." 499 00:22:01,486 --> 00:22:03,055 The people that we thought we were dealing with 500 00:22:03,055 --> 00:22:07,893 either don't exist or were fabricated by Zach. 501 00:22:07,893 --> 00:22:10,595 Goldberg: When you're on the hook for millions of dollars, 502 00:22:10,595 --> 00:22:13,565 quick tip -- Don't ghost your investors, 503 00:22:13,565 --> 00:22:17,402 or they might give a quick tip to the authorities. 504 00:22:17,402 --> 00:22:19,571 ♪♪ 505 00:22:19,571 --> 00:22:22,274 Verrasto: I tend to specialize in financial crime, 506 00:22:22,274 --> 00:22:24,409 economic crime, sometimes also referred to 507 00:22:24,409 --> 00:22:26,278 as white-collar crime. 508 00:22:26,278 --> 00:22:29,247 ♪♪ 509 00:22:29,247 --> 00:22:34,019 We started an investigation February 24, 2021, 510 00:22:34,019 --> 00:22:37,589 and then engaged with the United States Attorney's Office. 511 00:22:37,589 --> 00:22:41,493 And we found that the SEC had an investigation, as well. 512 00:22:41,493 --> 00:22:44,529 ♪♪ 513 00:22:44,529 --> 00:22:47,599 Schwab: Whenever you get a case like this, you always wonder, 514 00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:50,202 is this just a business deal gone awry, 515 00:22:50,202 --> 00:22:53,972 and there's unhappy investors, or is this actually a fraud? 516 00:22:53,972 --> 00:22:57,109 And those things oftentimes look similar at the outset, 517 00:22:57,109 --> 00:22:59,811 and it takes a little bit of digging to distinguish the two. 518 00:22:59,811 --> 00:23:03,648 And we started to realize this was an unusually large scheme. 519 00:23:03,648 --> 00:23:07,652 ♪♪ 520 00:23:07,652 --> 00:23:09,154 Chao: We deal with a lot of fraud cases, 521 00:23:09,154 --> 00:23:10,822 but right off the bat, it was apparent 522 00:23:10,822 --> 00:23:14,559 that there were several hundreds of million dollars 523 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:17,462 that nobody could account for. 524 00:23:17,462 --> 00:23:20,165 Goldberg: Did he just say hundreds of millions? 525 00:23:20,165 --> 00:23:24,402 This fraud just became a Hollywood blockbuster. 526 00:23:24,402 --> 00:23:25,704 Schwab: When the investigative team 527 00:23:25,704 --> 00:23:28,473 reached out to Netflix or HBO, 528 00:23:28,473 --> 00:23:29,841 we found out that they didn't have 529 00:23:29,841 --> 00:23:31,343 the types of business relationships 530 00:23:31,343 --> 00:23:34,246 that he was representing to his investors. 531 00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:38,216 In fact, in many instances, they had no idea who he was. 532 00:23:38,216 --> 00:23:39,684 Goldberg: Wait a minute. 533 00:23:39,684 --> 00:23:42,821 Working with streamers was his entire business. 534 00:23:42,821 --> 00:23:46,825 What was he doing? Where was all that money going? 535 00:23:46,825 --> 00:23:48,827 Verrasto: When the investigation first started, 536 00:23:48,827 --> 00:23:51,062 some of the first steps that I did was, you know, 537 00:23:51,062 --> 00:23:54,099 reach back out to investors to get more information, 538 00:23:54,099 --> 00:23:59,337 documentation from them, to kind of build out the case. 539 00:23:59,337 --> 00:24:01,573 Mosley: The FBI had surveilled him 540 00:24:01,573 --> 00:24:05,577 making six-months to one-year promissory notes to investors 541 00:24:05,577 --> 00:24:09,514 through his production company, 1inMM. 542 00:24:09,514 --> 00:24:12,017 Zach was being investigated, but he didn't know it. 543 00:24:12,017 --> 00:24:15,086 So we had to kind of carry on conversations with him 544 00:24:15,086 --> 00:24:16,555 like everything was normal. 545 00:24:16,555 --> 00:24:18,256 And we were told that, 546 00:24:18,256 --> 00:24:20,392 "You might be asked for text messages. 547 00:24:20,392 --> 00:24:22,594 You might be asked for e-mails," things like this. 548 00:24:22,594 --> 00:24:25,063 And it got real very quickly. 549 00:24:25,063 --> 00:24:28,400 We learned that Zach Horwitz was telling investors 550 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,870 that he was purchasing distribution rights 551 00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:35,807 and then licensing those rights to streaming services. 552 00:24:35,807 --> 00:24:38,410 He would present to investors different films 553 00:24:38,410 --> 00:24:40,612 that he was considering purchasing, 554 00:24:40,612 --> 00:24:44,482 and he would provide a list, and then investors could choose, 555 00:24:44,482 --> 00:24:47,719 like, which films they wished to invest in. 556 00:24:47,719 --> 00:24:49,588 Zachary Horwitz, also known as Zach Avery, 557 00:24:49,588 --> 00:24:51,590 was potentially conducting a Ponzi scheme. 558 00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:53,391 Goldberg: Did he just say Ponzi scheme? 559 00:24:53,391 --> 00:24:55,460 Okay, time for a flashback, 560 00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:57,896 'cause you probably remember the Ponzi scheme 561 00:24:57,896 --> 00:25:01,600 from the Bernie Madoff scandal in 2008. 562 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,635 It's a form of investment fraud 563 00:25:03,635 --> 00:25:05,904 where new investors are recruited 564 00:25:05,904 --> 00:25:08,607 to pay off old investors. 565 00:25:08,607 --> 00:25:11,443 And when you're desperate for new investors, 566 00:25:11,443 --> 00:25:14,446 sometimes that means bringing in your friends 567 00:25:14,446 --> 00:25:17,983 to keep it all going. 568 00:25:17,983 --> 00:25:19,451 I'm William D. Cohan, 569 00:25:19,451 --> 00:25:21,987 New York Times best-selling author. 570 00:25:21,987 --> 00:25:24,823 It was a classic Ponzi scheme 571 00:25:24,823 --> 00:25:28,326 where he used the money from new investors 572 00:25:28,326 --> 00:25:30,528 to pay off the old investors. 573 00:25:30,528 --> 00:25:33,999 Of course, given the ridiculous rates of return 574 00:25:33,999 --> 00:25:38,703 he was promising, there was no way he could sustain it. 575 00:25:38,703 --> 00:25:40,205 Hackett: Zach thought he could 576 00:25:40,205 --> 00:25:42,274 just keep paying out the long-term investors 577 00:25:42,274 --> 00:25:45,844 while just sucking in more money into the front end. 578 00:25:45,844 --> 00:25:48,813 But he just couldn't do it anymore. 579 00:25:48,813 --> 00:25:51,116 Mosley: Zachary Horwitz took money from investors 580 00:25:51,116 --> 00:25:52,951 as promissory notes. 581 00:25:52,951 --> 00:25:54,986 And in order to repay that note, 582 00:25:54,986 --> 00:25:57,555 you would get money from the licensing 583 00:25:57,555 --> 00:26:00,992 that happened through HBO or Netflix. 584 00:26:00,992 --> 00:26:02,827 Verrasto: And so what he would tell the investors is, 585 00:26:02,827 --> 00:26:04,462 "When you provide me with funds, 586 00:26:04,462 --> 00:26:07,299 that's how I secure the rights to these films." 587 00:26:07,299 --> 00:26:11,836 And what ended up happening was none of that was true. 588 00:26:11,836 --> 00:26:14,339 Goldberg: In other words, Zach was given money 589 00:26:14,339 --> 00:26:16,675 to buy the rights to real films 590 00:26:16,675 --> 00:26:19,878 but then never really bought them. 591 00:26:19,878 --> 00:26:21,680 He continued to lull the investors 592 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,850 by providing them with fake correspondence 593 00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:31,323 that he purported to be having with agents at Netflix and HBO. 594 00:26:31,323 --> 00:26:34,225 He goes as far as to provide them documentation 595 00:26:34,225 --> 00:26:35,727 from the streaming platforms 596 00:26:35,727 --> 00:26:38,430 that says that the payments are on the way. 597 00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:43,735 But these documents are as fake as Zachary's acting. 598 00:26:43,735 --> 00:26:45,704 Goldberg: Zach may not be a method actor, 599 00:26:45,704 --> 00:26:50,108 but his documents went through extensive transformations. 600 00:26:50,108 --> 00:26:53,578 He would find sample deals online, 601 00:26:53,578 --> 00:26:56,681 change the names to real studio execs 602 00:26:56,681 --> 00:26:58,883 that he dug up on LinkedIn, 603 00:26:58,883 --> 00:27:02,620 add a forged signature for flourish, and voilà, 604 00:27:02,620 --> 00:27:06,791 an Oscar-worthy faked contract. 605 00:27:06,791 --> 00:27:09,627 There's so much more access to information now. 606 00:27:09,627 --> 00:27:13,298 Back in the day when we didn't share files over e-mail, 607 00:27:13,298 --> 00:27:14,699 it would have been much more difficult 608 00:27:14,699 --> 00:27:16,468 to get your hands on something like that. 609 00:27:16,468 --> 00:27:20,405 But now he could have found a way to do it fairly easily. 610 00:27:20,405 --> 00:27:23,742 Using those fake e-mails and correspondence, 611 00:27:23,742 --> 00:27:27,278 Horwitz was able to essentially drag on the scheme 612 00:27:27,278 --> 00:27:29,914 for another year or so. 613 00:27:29,914 --> 00:27:31,316 Zach Horwitz was successful 614 00:27:31,316 --> 00:27:33,385 at staying current on those investments, 615 00:27:33,385 --> 00:27:36,921 paying back the promissory notes as he had promised. 616 00:27:36,921 --> 00:27:38,757 But at a certain point, you're gonna run out 617 00:27:38,757 --> 00:27:41,059 of additional people, additional money. 618 00:27:41,059 --> 00:27:43,661 It becomes too big, too unwieldy to keep the thing going. 619 00:27:43,661 --> 00:27:45,296 From the get-go, there was no business. 620 00:27:45,296 --> 00:27:47,132 He was telling investors he was doing things, 621 00:27:47,132 --> 00:27:49,834 and he just simply wasn't doing them, and he never did them. 622 00:27:49,834 --> 00:27:52,570 He created an extremely large Ponzi scheme 623 00:27:52,570 --> 00:27:54,606 that he obviously could not keep up with. 624 00:27:54,606 --> 00:27:57,575 And I think that his real goal in all of this 625 00:27:57,575 --> 00:28:00,078 was simply to become a famous actor, 626 00:28:00,078 --> 00:28:02,614 which is almost the saddest part. 627 00:28:02,614 --> 00:28:04,616 ♪♪ 628 00:28:04,616 --> 00:28:08,653 C-list actor. No experience in finance. 629 00:28:08,653 --> 00:28:11,089 No experience on Wall Street. 630 00:28:11,089 --> 00:28:13,491 Zero credentials. Zero. 631 00:28:13,491 --> 00:28:18,496 And here he is making these promises of 40% returns 632 00:28:18,496 --> 00:28:20,698 in six to nine months to a year. 633 00:28:20,698 --> 00:28:22,667 It's just beyond the pale. 634 00:28:22,667 --> 00:28:24,302 The largest victim 635 00:28:24,302 --> 00:28:28,006 was over $160 million they were out at the end. 636 00:28:28,006 --> 00:28:30,675 And then within the investment pools, 637 00:28:30,675 --> 00:28:34,379 it's everybody from, you know, your mom, your dad, 638 00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:36,514 grandparents, friends, family, 639 00:28:36,514 --> 00:28:39,284 people who, you know, were convinced 640 00:28:39,284 --> 00:28:42,787 that this was a good investment and it was relatively secure 641 00:28:42,787 --> 00:28:44,823 and they could trust it. 642 00:28:44,823 --> 00:28:46,724 And then they lost everything. 643 00:28:46,724 --> 00:28:48,993 ♪♪ 644 00:28:48,993 --> 00:28:52,297 For these schemes, usually, like, the investigative period 645 00:28:52,297 --> 00:28:57,035 is six months to a year and a half, sometimes longer. 646 00:28:57,035 --> 00:28:59,904 This particular investigation moved very quickly, 647 00:28:59,904 --> 00:29:01,706 and from the time that it was opened 648 00:29:01,706 --> 00:29:04,542 to the time that, you know, we filed a complaint 649 00:29:04,542 --> 00:29:07,645 was about 42 days. 650 00:29:07,645 --> 00:29:09,914 There was so much documentation that it was getting to the point 651 00:29:09,914 --> 00:29:11,916 to go and ask for an arrest warrant. 652 00:29:11,916 --> 00:29:13,685 Goldberg: Next up, his $5.5 million home 653 00:29:13,685 --> 00:29:16,921 gets a surprise visit. 654 00:29:16,921 --> 00:29:20,792 ♪♪ 655 00:29:28,566 --> 00:29:31,169 ♪♪ 656 00:29:31,169 --> 00:29:33,605 Goldberg: Now that the feds have built their case, 657 00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:37,442 they have set the scene to bring our movie villain to justice. 658 00:29:37,442 --> 00:29:39,911 Once we determine that we have probable cause, 659 00:29:39,911 --> 00:29:42,881 we obtain a search warrant that's approved by a judge, 660 00:29:42,881 --> 00:29:45,283 and then the FBI executes that search warrant 661 00:29:45,283 --> 00:29:47,051 at the approved location. 662 00:29:47,051 --> 00:29:49,087 [ Siren wails ] 663 00:29:49,087 --> 00:29:52,090 We moved quickly because Zach Horwitz 664 00:29:52,090 --> 00:29:54,259 had already listed his house for sale, 665 00:29:54,259 --> 00:29:56,561 and we wanted to make sure that he didn't have an opportunity 666 00:29:56,561 --> 00:29:59,597 to sell that out from under the investors 667 00:29:59,597 --> 00:30:02,233 and prevent us from recovering those assets 668 00:30:02,233 --> 00:30:04,802 that could, in fact, be used as restitution. 669 00:30:04,802 --> 00:30:06,070 We didn't want to take the chance 670 00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:07,972 that he would flee the area. 671 00:30:07,972 --> 00:30:10,375 [ Siren wailing ] 672 00:30:10,375 --> 00:30:12,443 So, in April of 2021, 673 00:30:12,443 --> 00:30:15,914 Zachary and his wife, Mallory, get a wake-up call, 674 00:30:15,914 --> 00:30:17,649 only it's not their alarm. 675 00:30:17,649 --> 00:30:19,651 It's an FBI raid. 676 00:30:19,651 --> 00:30:21,920 ♪♪ 677 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,455 Verrasto: 6:30 a. m. 678 00:30:24,455 --> 00:30:26,724 We put together a team to go out there 679 00:30:26,724 --> 00:30:30,628 and to execute the search warrant. 680 00:30:30,628 --> 00:30:32,430 We knew more than likely 681 00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:35,600 that Zach Horwitz would be home, his wife would be home, 682 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,437 and that we knew he had two small children, as well. 683 00:30:39,437 --> 00:30:42,473 We go to the door. We knock. 684 00:30:42,473 --> 00:30:44,409 We announce. 685 00:30:44,409 --> 00:30:46,678 And then the first people that came to the door 686 00:30:46,678 --> 00:30:49,781 was Zach's wife 687 00:30:49,781 --> 00:30:52,784 and their young son. 688 00:30:52,784 --> 00:30:54,919 She was very surprised by our presence 689 00:30:54,919 --> 00:30:58,456 and kind of shocked that we were there. 690 00:30:58,456 --> 00:31:00,959 Hackett: You can imagine what it was like in the pre-dawn hours 691 00:31:00,959 --> 00:31:04,162 when someone suddenly is pounding on your door. 692 00:31:04,162 --> 00:31:06,664 Mallory is awake and has no idea what's going on. 693 00:31:06,664 --> 00:31:08,499 They have a 1-year-old and a 3-year-old. 694 00:31:08,499 --> 00:31:10,268 You can only imagine the terror. 695 00:31:10,268 --> 00:31:11,836 Verrasto: We kind of briefly explain to her 696 00:31:11,836 --> 00:31:13,771 what was going on, asked her to come outside. 697 00:31:13,771 --> 00:31:15,139 You know, we removed her from the house. 698 00:31:15,139 --> 00:31:17,542 That was the first moment she found out 699 00:31:17,542 --> 00:31:21,980 that the life she'd been living was a life full of lies. 700 00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:24,649 Zach's wife, Mallory, knew nothing 701 00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:27,452 of the schemes and lies of Zach's 702 00:31:27,452 --> 00:31:31,689 until the FBI banged on their door in April of 2021. 703 00:31:31,689 --> 00:31:34,626 Verrasto: And then the next person to come out 704 00:31:34,626 --> 00:31:36,294 was Zach Horwitz. 705 00:31:36,294 --> 00:31:39,897 He came down, didn't have a shirt on. 706 00:31:39,897 --> 00:31:42,066 We immediately put him in handcuffs 707 00:31:42,066 --> 00:31:44,302 and then also removed him from the house, as well. 708 00:31:44,302 --> 00:31:47,205 Mosley: Zachary's wife, Mallory, and her children 709 00:31:47,205 --> 00:31:49,841 were so startled to find the FBI raiding their home. 710 00:31:49,841 --> 00:31:51,409 But what was curious 711 00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:54,812 was that Zachary was calmly taken away in handcuffs, 712 00:31:54,812 --> 00:31:57,582 almost as if he knew it was coming. 713 00:31:57,582 --> 00:31:58,983 Verrasto: He said absolutely nothing. 714 00:31:58,983 --> 00:32:00,418 He was just very stoic. 715 00:32:00,418 --> 00:32:01,886 Just came to the door, 716 00:32:01,886 --> 00:32:03,755 took whatever direction we gave him, 717 00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:07,258 and was just quiet the whole entire time. 718 00:32:07,258 --> 00:32:09,027 Goldberg: Soon after Zach's arrest, 719 00:32:09,027 --> 00:32:12,563 Mallory Horwitz filed for divorce. 720 00:32:12,563 --> 00:32:14,098 Krebs: I don't think anybody was surprised 721 00:32:14,098 --> 00:32:15,600 that she filed for divorce. 722 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,535 I think the quickness with which it happened 723 00:32:17,535 --> 00:32:19,937 maybe caught everybody a little bit off-guard. 724 00:32:19,937 --> 00:32:22,040 But I think you either have to decide right away 725 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,775 whether you're gonna stick with that person 726 00:32:23,775 --> 00:32:26,210 that's your husband, or you're gonna distance yourself 727 00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:27,679 as far as possible, 728 00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:32,116 and I think she certainly made the right decision. 729 00:32:32,116 --> 00:32:34,352 Chao: Horwitz was charged with 13 counts, 730 00:32:34,352 --> 00:32:37,722 including securities fraud, wire fraud, 731 00:32:37,722 --> 00:32:41,259 and aggravated identity theft. 732 00:32:41,259 --> 00:32:43,728 In order to prosecute a Ponzi scheme, 733 00:32:43,728 --> 00:32:45,463 you need to follow the money 734 00:32:45,463 --> 00:32:47,465 to figure out, how was the money spent? 735 00:32:47,465 --> 00:32:48,866 Was it spent on the ways 736 00:32:48,866 --> 00:32:50,535 in which there should have been spent, 737 00:32:50,535 --> 00:32:52,570 or was it spent for other reasons? 738 00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:55,306 It was relatively easy to see 739 00:32:55,306 --> 00:32:57,375 that the money that was coming in from investors 740 00:32:57,375 --> 00:33:00,545 was not being used to purchase film rights 741 00:33:00,545 --> 00:33:04,549 but instead was being used for paying off other investors 742 00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:09,987 or to fund Horwitz's own lifestyle. 743 00:33:09,987 --> 00:33:14,392 There's the $5.5 million house that he lived in. 744 00:33:14,392 --> 00:33:16,260 It showed that he used investor funds 745 00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:20,131 to pay off credit card bills in excess of $6 million. 746 00:33:20,131 --> 00:33:25,570 There's over $700,000 spent on a celebrity interior decorator. 747 00:33:25,570 --> 00:33:28,473 He used it to make trips to Las Vegas 748 00:33:28,473 --> 00:33:31,142 and nightclubs there. 749 00:33:31,142 --> 00:33:34,912 Oftentimes, Zach Horwitz traveled by private jet, 750 00:33:34,912 --> 00:33:36,948 because that was not only something 751 00:33:36,948 --> 00:33:38,916 that he could afford with other people's money, 752 00:33:38,916 --> 00:33:41,152 but was something that fit the role, fit the idea 753 00:33:41,152 --> 00:33:44,622 that he was this Hollywood success story. 754 00:33:44,622 --> 00:33:46,924 Chao: The investors generally invested 755 00:33:46,924 --> 00:33:49,961 between half a million to a million dollars 756 00:33:49,961 --> 00:33:51,763 in any given promissory note, 757 00:33:51,763 --> 00:33:54,432 but there were hundreds of promissory notes 758 00:33:54,432 --> 00:33:57,135 over the course of this scheme since 2014. 759 00:33:57,135 --> 00:33:59,337 And in the aggregate, those numbers added up 760 00:33:59,337 --> 00:34:03,441 to in excess of $650 million. 761 00:34:03,441 --> 00:34:06,110 Goldberg: $650 million? 762 00:34:06,110 --> 00:34:09,180 That is a heck of a movie. 763 00:34:09,180 --> 00:34:11,382 There were red flags at every single step of this con 764 00:34:11,382 --> 00:34:12,817 that anyone who's experienced in the business 765 00:34:12,817 --> 00:34:14,852 would have recognized right away. 766 00:34:14,852 --> 00:34:17,522 I mean, I'm sure Zach Horwitz couldn't believe it himself 767 00:34:17,522 --> 00:34:19,824 when he was pulling this off, and people were actually 768 00:34:19,824 --> 00:34:22,527 sending him hundreds of millions of dollars. 769 00:34:22,527 --> 00:34:26,497 I mean, he was living the life of a Hollywood mogul, 770 00:34:26,497 --> 00:34:29,233 and he was a two-bit criminal. 771 00:34:29,233 --> 00:34:31,969 To actually achieve what he initially set out to do, 772 00:34:31,969 --> 00:34:35,206 which was to be a well-known actor, 773 00:34:35,206 --> 00:34:38,476 it didn't quite fit that motivation. 774 00:34:38,476 --> 00:34:41,879 It felt like he was just trying to legitimize his own name 775 00:34:41,879 --> 00:34:43,714 within the business. 776 00:34:43,714 --> 00:34:45,917 ♪♪ 777 00:34:45,917 --> 00:34:48,052 Schwab: After his arrest, Zach Horwitz was in custody 778 00:34:48,052 --> 00:34:49,520 for a period of time. 779 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,722 He was eventually released. 780 00:34:51,722 --> 00:34:54,192 Zach Horwitz's mother posted a bond 781 00:34:54,192 --> 00:34:56,027 that was secured by her own house 782 00:34:56,027 --> 00:34:58,596 and a million dollars in equity in that house. 783 00:34:58,596 --> 00:35:02,166 Goldberg: Despite the well-documented $650 million 784 00:35:02,166 --> 00:35:04,068 that went through Zach's hands, 785 00:35:04,068 --> 00:35:07,672 a large portion of that can't be found. 786 00:35:07,672 --> 00:35:11,776 It is typical that we see several-million-dollar losses, 787 00:35:11,776 --> 00:35:16,581 but this amount, which was in excess of $200 million 788 00:35:16,581 --> 00:35:20,184 that were unaccounted for, that was unusual. 789 00:35:20,184 --> 00:35:21,919 Hackett: I'm sure to some degree, he thought 790 00:35:21,919 --> 00:35:24,589 he would never get caught, but he had to have been aware 791 00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:27,058 of the hundreds of millions of dollars 792 00:35:27,058 --> 00:35:28,793 that he had stolen from people 793 00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:31,462 and that, eventually, the jig was gonna be up. 794 00:35:31,462 --> 00:35:33,865 A Ponzi scheme can only grow so large, 795 00:35:33,865 --> 00:35:35,366 and it appears that Zach Horwitz 796 00:35:35,366 --> 00:35:38,102 tapped the entirety of that universe. 797 00:35:38,102 --> 00:35:40,771 Goldberg: With the walls closing in, 798 00:35:40,771 --> 00:35:41,239 Zach prepares for his final act. 799 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,743 ♪♪ 800 00:35:50,882 --> 00:35:54,051 ♪♪ 801 00:35:54,051 --> 00:35:56,487 Goldberg: By mid-2021, 802 00:35:56,487 --> 00:36:01,259 Zach was facing the consequences of running a giant Ponzi scheme. 803 00:36:01,259 --> 00:36:04,428 His Hollywood star had collapsed into a black hole, 804 00:36:04,428 --> 00:36:08,933 taking with it the investments of his friends and family. 805 00:36:08,933 --> 00:36:11,669 Chao: I think what really drove me in prosecuting this case 806 00:36:11,669 --> 00:36:14,605 was obtaining justice for the victims. 807 00:36:14,605 --> 00:36:18,009 A lot of them were ordinary, middle-class folks, 808 00:36:18,009 --> 00:36:20,478 many of them who were retired and elderly 809 00:36:20,478 --> 00:36:22,280 who had put their life savings with Horwitz. 810 00:36:27,585 --> 00:36:29,520 ♪♪ 811 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,857 The night before Zachary Horwitz was supposed to appear in court, 812 00:36:32,857 --> 00:36:36,427 he pleads guilty to a federal securities charge 813 00:36:36,427 --> 00:36:38,996 and running a Ponzi scheme. 814 00:36:38,996 --> 00:36:41,599 Cohan: It's clear that the evidence against him 815 00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:43,200 was overwhelming. 816 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,804 Had he gone to trial, he clearly would have lost. 817 00:36:46,804 --> 00:36:50,675 There's no way he could've ever explained what he did 818 00:36:50,675 --> 00:36:53,644 as being anything but a scam. 819 00:36:53,644 --> 00:36:57,949 I'm sure his attorney gave him the right advice 820 00:36:57,949 --> 00:37:02,153 to not take this to trial and to plead guilty. 821 00:37:02,153 --> 00:37:03,854 When he got sentenced to 20 years, 822 00:37:03,854 --> 00:37:07,825 I was sad for him, sad for his family, 823 00:37:07,825 --> 00:37:12,029 but happy for all of us that were defrauded by him, 824 00:37:12,029 --> 00:37:13,864 that were hurt by him. 825 00:37:13,864 --> 00:37:18,703 I think, sadly enough to say, that he got what he deserved. 826 00:37:18,703 --> 00:37:21,539 Chao: Unfortunately, with these types of schemes, 827 00:37:21,539 --> 00:37:27,311 it is usually the case that the money's already gone. 828 00:37:27,311 --> 00:37:30,581 Goldberg: The FBI searched for every last dollar, 829 00:37:30,581 --> 00:37:34,352 but of the $650 million, 830 00:37:34,352 --> 00:37:37,755 over 1/3 has appeared to have vanished. 831 00:37:37,755 --> 00:37:39,857 $230 million seems like a lot of money 832 00:37:39,857 --> 00:37:41,359 to completely blow through. 833 00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:43,861 But the fact that nothing has been found yet 834 00:37:43,861 --> 00:37:46,430 is obviously not a great sign. 835 00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:48,432 ♪♪ 836 00:37:48,432 --> 00:37:50,568 At the end of the day, I think our group of friends 837 00:37:50,568 --> 00:37:54,038 has become even closer because of all of this. 838 00:37:54,038 --> 00:37:56,774 We certainly lost someone that we thought was a friend. 839 00:37:56,774 --> 00:37:59,543 But I think everybody's smart enough 840 00:37:59,543 --> 00:38:01,612 and young enough that they're gonna rebound, 841 00:38:01,612 --> 00:38:03,781 and they'll end up ultimately okay, 842 00:38:03,781 --> 00:38:07,551 even if the next handful of years are tough. 843 00:38:07,551 --> 00:38:11,022 Younger people, if you still have a career in front of you, 844 00:38:11,022 --> 00:38:12,957 you know, you can recover. 845 00:38:12,957 --> 00:38:16,460 But when you're in your 60s, 70s, sometimes 80s 846 00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:18,195 and lose everything, 847 00:38:18,195 --> 00:38:21,232 that financial damage is irrecoverable. 848 00:38:21,232 --> 00:38:23,534 ♪♪ 849 00:38:23,534 --> 00:38:25,069 Goldberg: Like most things in Hollywood, 850 00:38:25,069 --> 00:38:27,405 appearances can be deceiving. 851 00:38:27,405 --> 00:38:30,408 Despite maintaining a lavish lifestyle, 852 00:38:30,408 --> 00:38:33,811 Zach actually owned very few luxury items. 853 00:38:33,811 --> 00:38:36,714 His remaining assets were a small fraction 854 00:38:36,714 --> 00:38:39,450 of the missing $230 million. 855 00:38:39,450 --> 00:38:41,118 Verrasto: You're looking for assets 856 00:38:41,118 --> 00:38:44,822 that, you know, investor money was used to purchase. 857 00:38:44,822 --> 00:38:47,058 And unfortunately, in this case, a lot of it was leased. 858 00:38:47,058 --> 00:38:49,093 Things like his cars were leased. 859 00:38:49,093 --> 00:38:50,728 He had, like, a watch service, I think, 860 00:38:50,728 --> 00:38:52,797 that he was, like, renting watches from. 861 00:38:52,797 --> 00:38:55,599 He was basically just leasing everything, 862 00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:58,602 so there's nothing to recover. 863 00:38:58,602 --> 00:39:01,005 Goldberg: The Securities and Exchange Commission 864 00:39:01,005 --> 00:39:03,507 has filed a civil case against Horwitz 865 00:39:03,507 --> 00:39:08,479 in hopes of recovering missing funds for the victims. 866 00:39:08,479 --> 00:39:11,582 Schwab: If Zach Horwitz were to come into money down the road, 867 00:39:11,582 --> 00:39:13,284 we have tools at our disposal 868 00:39:13,284 --> 00:39:15,686 to make sure that that money is going to end up 869 00:39:15,686 --> 00:39:18,923 going to victims to help make them whole. 870 00:39:18,923 --> 00:39:22,293 Chao: Victims who testified and spoke at the sentencing, 871 00:39:22,293 --> 00:39:25,596 one of those, for example, said that he's also 872 00:39:25,596 --> 00:39:27,131 in dire financial straits now, 873 00:39:27,131 --> 00:39:30,301 and he has two kids who he's trying to support 874 00:39:30,301 --> 00:39:35,439 and is using food stamps to get by. 875 00:39:35,439 --> 00:39:37,174 Krebs: This person's gonna be in jail 876 00:39:37,174 --> 00:39:40,444 until they're in their 50s, and he's got two young kids. 877 00:39:40,444 --> 00:39:41,812 You hate to see that 878 00:39:41,812 --> 00:39:44,782 for somebody that didn't need to do it. 879 00:39:44,782 --> 00:39:47,518 I don't think that he did it for his wife or for his kids. 880 00:39:47,518 --> 00:39:49,987 I think that he did it for himself. 881 00:39:49,987 --> 00:39:51,489 And at the end of the day, 882 00:39:51,489 --> 00:39:55,292 what he cared about most is just himself. 883 00:39:55,292 --> 00:39:58,796 That idea is just heartbreaking and just unbearable to me 884 00:39:58,796 --> 00:40:00,397 and I think to most people. 885 00:40:00,397 --> 00:40:02,800 But in the minds of a con or in the heart of a con person, 886 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,068 they're not. 887 00:40:04,068 --> 00:40:05,903 It's kind of the collateral damage. 888 00:40:05,903 --> 00:40:07,304 It's hard to say whether or not 889 00:40:07,304 --> 00:40:09,740 he's gonna feel the exact same way. 890 00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:12,176 Probably not. 891 00:40:12,176 --> 00:40:14,478 Okay, so, Zach would never win an Oscar 892 00:40:14,478 --> 00:40:16,347 for his performance here, 893 00:40:16,347 --> 00:40:19,150 but the performance that he gave investors? 894 00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:21,552 Meryl Streep could never. 895 00:40:21,552 --> 00:40:23,587 Schwab: Zach Horwitz's Ponzi scheme 896 00:40:23,587 --> 00:40:26,023 was absolutely sophisticated. 897 00:40:26,023 --> 00:40:28,192 It was massive, but at its root, 898 00:40:28,192 --> 00:40:30,161 there was something simple about it. 899 00:40:30,161 --> 00:40:34,198 He was using lies to take people's money. 900 00:40:34,198 --> 00:40:37,434 Clark: I don't care how nice of a lifestyle you were living. 901 00:40:37,434 --> 00:40:41,672 When the cost is potentially being away from your kids 902 00:40:41,672 --> 00:40:45,042 for an untold amount of years, 903 00:40:45,042 --> 00:40:47,044 how is that worth it? 904 00:40:47,044 --> 00:40:49,713 He won life's lottery in a lot of ways, 905 00:40:49,713 --> 00:40:54,552 and there was no need for him to do what he ultimately did. 906 00:40:54,552 --> 00:40:56,887 He's not famous, he's infamous. 907 00:40:56,887 --> 00:41:01,625 And I think that on some level, he probably enjoys that. 908 00:41:01,625 --> 00:41:03,561 There's something about the breadth 909 00:41:03,561 --> 00:41:06,797 and the scale of his scam 910 00:41:06,797 --> 00:41:08,899 that is gonna be irresistible 911 00:41:08,899 --> 00:41:11,869 to the very places that he told his investors 912 00:41:11,869 --> 00:41:13,804 he was doing projects with. 913 00:41:13,804 --> 00:41:16,273 Some streaming service is gonna do a story 914 00:41:16,273 --> 00:41:18,876 that's gonna be about the guy who told people 915 00:41:18,876 --> 00:41:21,745 that he had a deal with streaming services 916 00:41:21,745 --> 00:41:25,616 and that you could get rich if you just gave him your money. 917 00:41:25,616 --> 00:41:28,819 Goldberg: And that's Hollywood, baby. 918 00:41:28,819 --> 00:41:32,223 ♪♪