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[traffic whooshing]
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[dial tone hums]
[touch tones beeping]
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[line trills]
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[touch tones beep]
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[touch tones beeping]
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[person laughs]
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PERSON: Tony Pellicano
was the go-to guy
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to take care of life's
annoying problems.
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PERSON: He made himself in to
be kind of a movie detective.
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ANTHONY PELLICANO:
I'm a private investigator.
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I'm located here
in Los Angeles.
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All I deal is
with celebrities and people
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in the entertainment business.
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PERSON: Pellicano had
a lot of gravitas.
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He had a great reputation.
He was an icon.
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ANTHONY: I saved
his fucking career.
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There was a whole lot
of shit with him
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and prostitutes and cocaine.
I saved him.
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This fucking guy loves me.
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PERSON: But now, Pellicano
himself is being investigated
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for the alleged way that
he conducted his business.
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PERSON: To tell the story of
Anthony Pellicano in the '90s
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is to tell the story
of how powerful people behave
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when they don't think
that anybody is watching.
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ANTHONY: Everything I'm doing
is absolutely clandestine,
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and you and I are
the only ones that know it.
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PERSON:
Okay.
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REPORTER:
Pellicano and several others
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have been indicted
on 112 counts
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for racketeering,
illegal wiretapping,
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and illegally obtaining
confidential information.
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REPORTER: Yesterday,
Pellicano was sentenced
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to 15 years in prison
for running
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a wiretapping operation.
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ANTHONY:
I'm Sicilian, you understand?
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And I'm a man of honor.
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I take all the heat.
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I'm a sin eater.
That's what I do.
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[dramatic music]
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Hollywood in the '90s was--
NED ZEMAN:
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I think of it sort of
as the last golden period.
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It was all about
personalities,
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this sheen about it
and it still had
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that was about power, money,
and beauty, and artifice.
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RACHEL ABRAMS: There was
so much money sloshing around.
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You had so much more
of the industry controlled
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by actual moguls and people
with big personalities.
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they got away with behavior
In many cases,
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they might not be able
to get away with today.
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[photographers clamoring]
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NED: The media didn't
hold them to account,
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the law didn't hold
them to account.
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to do whatever they wanted.
And they were able
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through fear and intimidation.
And they controlled it
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whoever wins, wins,
It was just
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and however you get there,
get there.
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As long as you were making
money and winning awards--
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but mostly making money--
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answer to anyone.
um, you didn't
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The stakes were
incredibly high
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because it's remarkable,
the speed with which
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a chink in the armor could
make the whole thing unravel.
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Information made
and broke careers.
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There was a demand for a guy
like Anthony Pellicano,
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because he had access
to information.
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And he would acquire it
ruthlessly.
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- It has been a while that
I actually put on TV makeup.
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PRODUCER:
Yeah, right?
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NARRATOR: Tonight,
Hard Copy's Diane Dimond
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reveals the exclusive details
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behind the child abuse
allegation.
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the Michael Jackson
- Ever since
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child molestation
scandal broke...
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I'm Diane Dimond.
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I'm probably best known
for breaking the story
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about the child
molestation allegations
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against Michael Jackson.
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[inquisitive music]
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Back in 1993, I was working
for the syndicated
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television show
Hard Copy in Hollywood,
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on the Paramount lot.
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I was in the newsroom, and
my boss called me upstairs.
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And she said,
"Quick, look at this."
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- Channel 4 News has learned,
and the LAPD
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just a few moments
ago confirmed for us,
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Michael Jackson is...
that entertainer
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DIANE: And there was video
of police officers
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at Michael Jackson's ranch
in, uh, Santa Barbara County.
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My assignment became
to figure out why.
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I walked down the stairs,
and my producer waved at me
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from across the big newsroom,
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and he said,
"Take this phone call."
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It was from a man
who wanted to meet with us,
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to tell us why the homes
were being raided.
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We got to this little Italian
restaurant in Santa Monica,
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and this source put a manila
envelope on the table.
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And he locked eyes
with me, and he said,
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"I'll give you this
if you promise not
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to let him get away
with it again."
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NARRATOR:
Tonight on Hard Copy,
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explosive new charges
against Michael Jackson.
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that I've seen include a very
- The official documents
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detailed account of just
what this 13-year-old boy
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says happened to him.
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REPORTER: The biggest
superstar in the world.
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REPORTER: Michael Jackson.
REPORTER: Michael Jackson.
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REPORTER: Michael Jackson.
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REPORTER:
Criminal investigation.
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REPORTER: Said he molested
a 13-year-old boy.
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REPORTER: Allegations that he
sexually molested young boys.
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[indistinct chatter]
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DIANE: Days had gone by,
and then the Jackson camp
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called a news conference.
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A big one.
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Their claim was that this
was all an extortion plot.
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And when they didn't
pay up, the family
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released the allegation that
their child had been molested.
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And it was with attorney
Howard Weitzman
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and the private eye
Anthony Pellicano.
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- Thank you.
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- Pellicano was the
Mr. Fix-It to the stars.
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Whatever was going wrong,
he was there
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to figure out a way, find
a strategy to make it go away.
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And that became very clear
that that's exactly
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what he was doing
for Michael Jackson.
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I tried to sit as close
up front as I could
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and tried to get in questions.
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- It's our belief that
that tape confirms what
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Mr. Pellicano has told
you before, with respect
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to the demands that were made.
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DIANE: It became pretty clear
pretty fast that they weren't
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there to answer any questions.
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- Totaling $20
million demands.
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I think it's all confirmed
on the tape.
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DIANE: They were there to tell
you that these allegations
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were completely false.
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And then they played the tape.
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ANTHONY: This tape recording
is a conversation
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between myself
and Barry K. Rothman.
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The tape speaks for itself.
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DIANE: They thought
it was clear proof
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that extortion was going on,
and here's our proof.
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Was this legally taped,
Mr. Pellicano?
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That's me in the
background saying,
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"Was this legally taped,
Mr. Pellicano?"
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And Pellicano leaves the room.
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PERSON: A lot of people knew
that Anthony Pellicano
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was doing things
he shouldn't have done.
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PERSON: That supposedly he's
got all the dirt on everybody.
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REPORTER: He says Pellicano's
high-tech operation
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was hardly a secret.
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- In 2002, there were rumors
and a lot of talk starting
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that Anthony Pellicano had
been wiretapping people,
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and that the FBI
was investigating.
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REPORTER:
Investigators found computers
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with thousands of hours
of illegal recordings.
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REPORTER: Pellicano wiretapped
or illegally accessed
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confidential information
about stars.
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DOUGLAS JOHNSON: I think it
was such an earthquake in town
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because the names
that were hiring
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this private investigator
were sophisticated,
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celebrity,
or very wealthy people.
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- He represented
just about everybody--
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Chris Rock, Michael Jackson,
Farrah Fawcett.
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Some of the biggest
lawyer names,
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Bert Fields, Howard Weitzman,
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Marty Singer,
Terry Christensen.
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Studio heads like Ron Meyer
or Brad Grey.
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- If there was a high-profile
scandal in the 1990s,
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there was a decent chance
that Pellicano was involved.
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Pellicano bragged
that he did work
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on the Monica Lewinsky
scandal,
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the Gennifer Flowers scandal.
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to the OJ Simpson case.
He was linked
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The plot swirls around
REPORTER:
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how he knows what he knows,
and how much of that
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will become public.
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ALLISON HOPE WEINER: While I
was reporting on the story,
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I managed to get this
big, giant amount
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of recordings and documents.
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I got them from a source,
or sources,
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who really wanted to show
how many people
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were involved in this mess.
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[touch tones dialing]
[line trills]
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He recorded all of his
phone conversations,
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and you'd hear him talking
to all these people.
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This film is the first time
a lot of these recordings
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are going to be heard.
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ALLISON: It is a portrait
of power in Hollywood,
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and it's a gritty portrait
of power in Hollywood.
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ALLISON: Anthony was hired,
a lot of the times,
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to shut people down.
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And he used intimidation
to do it.
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- It also showed that
the Los Angeles legal system,
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that a lot of these lawyers
were cheating
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to win cases.
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- The first one
that comes to mind
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is the Chris Rock recording.
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ANTHONY: Hey, buddy.
CHRIS ROCK: Hey.
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ANTHONY: How are you doing?
CHRIS: I'm all right.
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he was married at the time,
ALLISON: Chris Rock,
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Four Seasons with a friend,
and he was at the
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and they ended up
picking up two women,
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and he ended up sleeping
with one of them.
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This woman is now claiming
to have Chris Rock's baby.
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She's also alleging that
he forced himself on her.
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ALLISON: Anthony starts off
by telling him that he
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has gotten the police report.
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- Chris Rock might not
have broken any laws
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by listening to this
or responding to this
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or using it in his defense,
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but certainly,
what the tape shows is that
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he raised no objection
to being told,
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"I'm not supposed
to have this.
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Let's change your story."
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ANTHONY: [stammering]
Did you come on her thighs?
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CHRIS:
Um, I don't--
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ANTHONY: You said you had
a rubber on, brother.
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CHRIS: I had a rubber on,
I probably took it off
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right when I was getting ready
to come.
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Probably came on her ass.
It's--you know.
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ALLISON: We have somebody
with means and power
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who's able to employ somebody
like Anthony Pellicano,
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playing the system
to their own benefit.
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It's a total imbalance
of power.
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ALLISON: For any kind
of Pellicano conversation,
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this is kind of a typical
response, where he is assuring
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his client that whoever
is making trouble
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is going to be taken care of.
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I had no idea how far
his tentacles went,
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and this was only a small
portion of what he was up to.
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Everybody thought
it was just sort of
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a showbiz-y story
about some movie stars
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and producers and everybody.
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And it really--
it's about so much more.
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ALEC BALDWIN: Longtime
Hollywood private eye
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and his term, "problem solver"
Anthony Pellicano
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lives by a unique code
of honor.
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ANTHONY: To me, the most
important thing in my life
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was honor and my word.
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This is--goes back to my--
you know, to my early days
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where, you know,
that type of attitude
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was the attitude
I wanted to keep.
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I mean, I'm Sicilian,
and all of the attitudes
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that I attained, I guess,
or cherished,
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came from that life
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that you develop
when you're very young.
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My father was a very
tough guy with his hands.
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And he was an alcoholic
for the majority of my life.
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Being a young kid on the
streets taught me a lot.
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Being around people who were
manly allowed me to be a man.
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Instead of having
a father figure,
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I had lots of father figures.
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If I had it to do
all over again,
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I would take that choice,
rather than
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the choice of having a father.
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In the army, I was taught
to be a cryptographer,
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those who code and decode
top-secret messages.
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When I came out of the
service, there was no jobs.
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By getting an
investigative license,
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I was able to do
audio surveillance,
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audio surveillance
countermeasures.
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I devised, you know, programs
to analyze tape recordings.
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I did the 18-Minute Gap.
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I did the Shah of Iran tape.
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I became really, really good
at locating missing people.
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And I wiped out all my
competition in Chicago.
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I moved to California in 1982.
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ALLISON: It's the early '80s,
and Anthony Pellicano
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is an audio recording expert.
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Pellicano gets a call from
a criminal defense attorney,
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and his name
is Howard Weitzman.
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He is a really well-known
criminal defense attorney here
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in Los Angeles,
but he's about to become
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one of the best-known
lawyers in the world.
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[car whooshing]
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John DeLorean, for those
of you who don't remember,
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he's the guy
that invented the car
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from the Back to the Future
movie series.
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- Are you telling me that
you built a time machine...
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out of a DeLorean?
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ALLISON: He had a company
where he was making DeLoreans,
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and it started to go under,
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so he had tried
to get financing.
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REPORTER:
And on October 19th
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in a hotel room
in Los Angeles,
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the trap was sprung
on John DeLorean.
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ALLISON: The government
had tons of recordings
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of John DeLorean
with drug traffickers,
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with investors.
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REPORTER: A suitcase full
of cocaine was put before him,
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and he called it
better than gold.
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REPORTER: A few minutes later
the FBI arrived,
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and John DeLorean
was put under arrest.
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ALLISON: Howard Weitzman
had called Pellicano
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because he knew that
Anthony was very competent
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and well-regarded as
an audio recording specialist.
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Howard suspected that
the tapes had been altered,
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and that Anthony Pellicano
would be somebody
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who'd be able to tell.
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John DeLorean was like
a fixture in the tabloids.
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He dated Ursula Andress.
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He was friends
with Johnny Carson.
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Because of the high-profile
nature of the DeLorean case,
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Anthony Pellicano
got a chance to meet
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a lot of the biggest stars
and behind-the-scenes people
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in Hollywood.
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REPORTER: DeLorean arrived
at the federal district
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courthouse shortly after noon
to hear the result.
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He walked out a free man,
sobbing, "Praise the Lord."
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ALLISON:
John DeLorean is acquitted,
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and everybody on the team
that acquitted him
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become really famous.
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And Anthony was part
of that story.
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He's the one that showed
that the government
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had acted in bad faith.
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I mean, you couldn't have
a better calling card.
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ANTHONY: You know, after
DeLorean, I was a hot ticket.
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Through agents,
through, you know,
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personal managers, et cetera.
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Once I got known,
then it just spiraled up.
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ALLISON: There were a lot
of legitimate reasons
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to hire Pellicano.
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He did a lot
of legitimate things,
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especially in this community--
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one where you need
to keep it private.
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Anthony would charge about
$25,000 just to begin with.
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ALLISON: There are all kinds
of private detectives in town
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that try to keep things quiet
to try to help you manage
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that celebrity
and all the negative
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and bad stuff
that comes with it.
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[line trills]
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- If you are rich and famous,
and you have the power
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to have someone like
Anthony Pellicano
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help fight off what you
believe is a very unfair
allegation,
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would you?
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And I think a lot
of people are seduced
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by that possibility and the
services that he provided.
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♪ ♪
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ALLISON: In the late '80s,
early '90s,
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Anthony Pellicano is going
to come into contact
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with most of the high-profile
entertainment attorneys
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in Los Angeles.
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One of them was Bert Fields.
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CHARLIE ROSE: There is
one name that strikes fear
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in the hearts of most
powerful people in Hollywood.
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He is Bert Fields,
one of the most successful
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entertainment lawyers
in the country.
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BERT FIELDS:
I believe in the law.
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I think if we don't have
the rule of the law,
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we're in deep trouble.
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- Bert Fields was one of the
most powerful
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bare-knuckles
Hollywood lawyers ever.
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And you know,
if you hired Bert Fields,
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sometimes that meant
along came Anthony Pellicano.
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- Through Bert Fields,
he had access to the most
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powerful people in town.
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I guess I should say
they had access to him.
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[laughs]
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[upbeat music]
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Welcome to Larry King Live.
NARRATOR:
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from Washington.
- Good evening
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Michael Jackson has been
through endless
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press, uh, speculation.
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Anthony, if you'll get us up
to date on this, what's
happened?
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What's your end of the story?
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- Like I've stated,
that I have been
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active investigation
involved in an
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for the last 2 and 1/2 months.
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- You have told the police
that two people were trying
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to extort money from
Michael Jackson in return
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for kind of a
blackmail thing, right?
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- I haven't had
the--the opportunity
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to talk to the police yet.
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I really can't comment
about my clients.
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I just can say that
this phenomena exists.
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- All right, in other words,
the--the asking for money
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in return for
not revealing something
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is not new in your field?
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- Not at all.
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ALLISON: We see Pellicano
pretty much employing
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the same tactics he did
in a lot of other cases,
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which is to accuse the person
who is claiming
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that they have been
assaulted of trying
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to extort Michael Jackson.
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So everyone that
goes up against power
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is just trying to get money.
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- A demand for $20 million
was made and presented.
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It was flatly
and consistently refused.
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DIANE:
Michael Jackson's lawyers
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were known as pitbulls.
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Especially Bert Fields,
but Howard Weitzman too.
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- A decision will not
be made until January.
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- He knew how to take a nugget
and turn it to his--
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his client's advantage.
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Now, there was
a grain of truth
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to what they were saying,
because the boy's father
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was negotiating
with Anthony Pellicano
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for a multimillion dollar
settlement in walk away money.
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Every good reporter
had to stop and think,
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"Whoa, wait a minute.
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"Maybe this was extortion.
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Maybe this is fake."
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But I had seen the documents
from the LAPD
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and the child welfare report.
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They were
very straightforward.
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They were very graphic.
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They were very detailed
about what
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this young boy was alleging.
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You know, I guess it can be
explained that this is--
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we're up against a superstar
and all of his lawyers
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and all of his millions.
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I'll spare my son the trauma
of going to trial
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and being a witness.
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I'll spare my family
all the angst
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of the media on my front door.
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Just give me
a little bit of money,
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and I'll get the heck
out of here.
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REPORTER: Meanwhile, a second
family claiming to be friends
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with the entertainer
was introduced
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to CNN late Thursday
by an associate of Jackson's.
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- Then Anthony Pellicano
brings these two little boys
forward
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to talk to a CNN reporter.
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REPORTER: As with 11-year-old
Brett Barnes interviewed
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Wednesday by CNN, Joy Robson
and her two children
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say they frequently
stayed at Jackson's
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Santa Barbara County ranch,
and that 10-year-old Wade
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had slumber parties
with Jackson,
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sleeping with him
in the same bed.
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- Yeah, you know, there's been
different times where
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it'd just be me and Michael.
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- And they told the reporter
that they slept in bed
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with Michael Jackson
all the time,
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and like two little parrots,
said the same thing.
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But "nothing ever happens."
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- He sleeps on one side.
I sleep on the other.
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It's a big bed.
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And we just go to sleep.
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- It came off as if
these two children
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had been coached
on what to say.
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REPORTER: From your
standpoint, does it seem
unusual
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for a 34-year-old man
to have kids sleeping over?
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- Not when you know
Michael's background.
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Everybody knows
he didn't have a childhood.
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- Well, Michael's different.
He didn't have a childhood.
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It's--it's okay.
He doesn't mean any harm.
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Look at him.
He's a gentle, sweet soul.
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That really stuck in the--
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the lexicon
in the public's mind.
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And it still sticks
to this day.
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PERSON: He had to perform
every other night,
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get up on that stage
as if the rage he felt,
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the humiliation, the
embarrassment, was not there.
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- Behind the scenes,
Anthony Pellicano
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was working to keep employees
of Michael Jackson quiet.
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INTERVIEWER: What do you
remember about Mr. Pellicano?
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- Uh, what do I remember?
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Just a kind of snakish
type of person.
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♪ ♪
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INTERVIEWER: Miss Staikos
called you and told you
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to go to the hideout
to collect some items,
correct?
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- No, no.
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Um, I was, uh, called.
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I did that.
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But uh, the instruction
was from, uh,
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an Anthony Pellicano.
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- After law enforcement raids
Michael Jackson's homes,
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Anthony Pellicano
instructs Jackson's driver
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to go to one of his properties
and remove items,
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including a briefcase
and a suitcase.
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INTERVIEWER:
Where'd you take them to?
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- Uh, I took them to, uh,
a residence in Agoura--
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I believe it was Agoura Hills,
somewhere out that way,
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uh, which appeared
to be the residence
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of Anthony Pellicano.
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INTERVIEWER: And you read
the search warrant
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that says child molestation...
- Mm-hmm.
492
00:25:50,744 --> 00:25:52,681
And you got these two bags.
INTERVIEWER:
493
00:25:52,714 --> 00:25:54,150
You don't know what's in them.
- Mm-hmm.
494
00:25:54,183 --> 00:25:55,754
INTERVIEWER: And you're going
and taking them to a place
495
00:25:55,787 --> 00:25:58,291
you've never been before.
- Mm-hmm.
496
00:25:58,325 --> 00:26:00,262
INTERVIEWER: Did you think
that was weird?
497
00:26:00,295 --> 00:26:02,868
LAWYER: Objection, vague.
- No.
498
00:26:02,901 --> 00:26:06,274
- Other Jackson employees
talked about Pellicano's role,
499
00:26:06,307 --> 00:26:09,615
including a maid who had said
that she had seen little boys'
500
00:26:09,648 --> 00:26:11,752
underwear in Jackson's room.
501
00:26:11,786 --> 00:26:14,858
INTERVIEWER: And what did
Mr. Pellicano tell you?
502
00:26:14,892 --> 00:26:18,733
- Oh, he told me
that Michael Jackson loved me,
503
00:26:18,766 --> 00:26:23,743
that he doesn't want me
to say anything to the police.
504
00:26:30,022 --> 00:26:33,028
- When my phone started
clicking and popping...
505
00:26:33,061 --> 00:26:36,635
[clicking tongue]
506
00:26:36,669 --> 00:26:39,307
Both at the office
and at home,
507
00:26:39,340 --> 00:26:42,614
I thought immediately,
Anthony Pellicano,
508
00:26:42,647 --> 00:26:44,885
the wiretap surveillance
expert.
509
00:26:44,918 --> 00:26:48,058
- I'm considered to be the
highest-priced and the best.
510
00:26:48,091 --> 00:26:50,195
- So I tested that theory.
511
00:26:50,229 --> 00:26:51,866
Diane Dimond.
512
00:26:51,899 --> 00:26:54,403
The next morning, 9:00,
I pick up the phone,
513
00:26:54,437 --> 00:26:57,343
and my husband, who does
not identify himself,
514
00:26:57,376 --> 00:26:59,013
says, "Hey there.
515
00:26:59,046 --> 00:27:00,817
"I'm just checking to see
how your documentary
516
00:27:00,850 --> 00:27:01,819
on Pellicano is doing.
517
00:27:01,852 --> 00:27:04,090
- [laughs]
Oh, jeez.
518
00:27:04,123 --> 00:27:06,294
- Oh, it's--it's great.
Oh, man.
519
00:27:06,327 --> 00:27:08,198
Is he ever gonna be mad! Wow.
520
00:27:08,231 --> 00:27:09,935
But I gotta go right now.
Bye-bye.
521
00:27:09,968 --> 00:27:11,004
And I hang up.
522
00:27:11,037 --> 00:27:13,943
A few minutes later,
I get a tap on my shoulder,
523
00:27:13,976 --> 00:27:17,283
and it's one of the Hard Copy
lawyers, who says to me,
524
00:27:17,316 --> 00:27:22,159
"Hey, I need to see your
script on the Pellicano
documentary."
525
00:27:22,193 --> 00:27:24,063
First of all,
we don't do documentaries,
526
00:27:24,096 --> 00:27:26,702
but I honestly said,
"I'm not working
527
00:27:26,735 --> 00:27:29,842
on a Pellicano documentary.
Where did you hear that?"
528
00:27:29,875 --> 00:27:32,179
"From Howard Weitzman's
And she said,
office.
529
00:27:32,213 --> 00:27:33,248
They just called me."
530
00:27:33,281 --> 00:27:34,985
Boom! Now I know.
531
00:27:35,018 --> 00:27:36,856
I'm not being paranoid.
532
00:27:36,889 --> 00:27:38,325
I'm being wiretapped.
533
00:27:42,099 --> 00:27:47,677
stopped in 1993 when Pellicano
The harassment, for me,
left.
534
00:27:47,711 --> 00:27:49,848
REPORTER: Okay, what is
the status with you
535
00:27:49,882 --> 00:27:51,952
and the Jackson case now?
536
00:27:51,986 --> 00:27:53,923
- I have resigned.
REPORTER: Why?
537
00:27:53,956 --> 00:27:55,459
- That's personal.
538
00:27:55,493 --> 00:27:57,731
DIANE: Nobody was given
an explanation.
539
00:27:57,764 --> 00:28:00,469
It was just like, hey,
where did that guy go?
540
00:28:00,503 --> 00:28:04,845
- This resignation, by no
stretch of the imagination,
541
00:28:04,878 --> 00:28:06,347
is any indication that
I believe that
542
00:28:06,381 --> 00:28:08,418
Michael Jackson is guilty.
543
00:28:08,451 --> 00:28:09,588
I believe, as I have
always believed,
544
00:28:09,621 --> 00:28:12,761
that Michael is innocent,
and I know he will prevail.
545
00:28:16,034 --> 00:28:19,407
REPORTER: Has he ever tried
to do anything with you
546
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,146
that would even be
considered questionable?
547
00:28:22,179 --> 00:28:23,716
- No. Nothing.
548
00:28:23,749 --> 00:28:25,152
DIANE:
I look back at that video
549
00:28:25,185 --> 00:28:27,824
of those two young boys,
and I--
550
00:28:27,857 --> 00:28:31,732
I sort of cringe,
knowing what I know today.
551
00:28:31,765 --> 00:28:34,403
Wade Robson looked
so innocent and sweet,
552
00:28:34,437 --> 00:28:38,378
but now we know he stands
with Jackson's accusers.
553
00:28:38,411 --> 00:28:41,284
- I had no understanding
that what Michael did to me,
554
00:28:41,317 --> 00:28:42,921
sexually, was abuse.
555
00:28:42,954 --> 00:28:44,858
You know, he told me
that it was love.
556
00:28:44,891 --> 00:28:46,427
He told me that he loved me,
557
00:28:46,461 --> 00:28:49,300
and that God
brought us together.
558
00:28:49,333 --> 00:28:52,139
- And in a recent court case,
Wade's mother Joy
559
00:28:52,172 --> 00:28:55,045
testified under oath
about that CNN interview.
560
00:28:55,078 --> 00:28:57,416
You gave interviews on TV
REPORTER:
561
00:28:57,449 --> 00:28:59,922
defending Michael, right?
562
00:28:59,955 --> 00:29:01,324
- Well, we were sort
of coerced to do that
563
00:29:01,357 --> 00:29:03,461
by Anthony Pellicano.
REPORTER: Uh-huh.
564
00:29:03,496 --> 00:29:05,399
- Made--really coerced.
565
00:29:05,432 --> 00:29:07,269
REPORTER: Did you, at the
time, feel coerced?
566
00:29:07,303 --> 00:29:09,040
- Yes.
567
00:29:09,073 --> 00:29:12,781
It's--I'm--it's not easy
to go on television
568
00:29:12,814 --> 00:29:14,483
you've allowed your son
and admit that
569
00:29:14,518 --> 00:29:16,922
to sleep in somebody's bed.
570
00:29:16,956 --> 00:29:22,199
Even though at the time,
I thought--
571
00:29:22,232 --> 00:29:25,405
I knew how--I knew
how it appeared.
572
00:29:25,439 --> 00:29:27,343
there was anything going on,
Although I didn't think
573
00:29:27,376 --> 00:29:28,913
I knew how it appeared.
574
00:29:32,353 --> 00:29:34,791
Anthony Pellicano was
an interesting man.
575
00:29:39,534 --> 00:29:42,507
He spent a lot
of time with us.
576
00:29:42,540 --> 00:29:44,978
wonder how lives
- It's fair to
577
00:29:45,012 --> 00:29:46,314
could have turned out
differently
578
00:29:46,347 --> 00:29:48,351
if Anthony Pellicano hadn't
been working
579
00:29:48,385 --> 00:29:51,491
for Michael Jackson in 1993.
580
00:29:51,525 --> 00:29:53,161
How did you feel when you
REPORTER:
heard
581
00:29:53,194 --> 00:29:57,202
that a boy was alleging
that Michael had abused him?
582
00:29:57,236 --> 00:29:59,373
- I was shocked, too,
and I think it's sick,
583
00:29:59,407 --> 00:30:01,377
because I know Michael
well enough that he wouldn't
584
00:30:01,411 --> 00:30:02,814
do anything like that.
585
00:30:02,847 --> 00:30:04,951
I know that for a fact.
586
00:30:21,017 --> 00:30:23,254
RON MEYER: Anthony was very
good at getting information.
587
00:30:23,288 --> 00:30:26,127
He was someone
who got the job done
588
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,931
when it needed to be done.
589
00:30:27,964 --> 00:30:31,505
controlled Hollywood at the
- All these guys who
time
590
00:30:31,538 --> 00:30:33,141
were ruthless.
591
00:30:33,174 --> 00:30:35,412
[camera shutter clicking]
592
00:30:35,445 --> 00:30:38,018
The conversation begins
with Michael Ovitz,
593
00:30:38,051 --> 00:30:39,286
one of the most powerful men
594
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,090
that have ever been
in Hollywood.
595
00:30:41,124 --> 00:30:44,531
But along with him came
executives like Ron Meyer,
596
00:30:44,564 --> 00:30:46,167
who ran Universal.
597
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,042
Brad Grey, who was
a manager slash producer.
598
00:30:50,075 --> 00:30:53,314
And these people, who all
knew each other pretty well,
599
00:30:53,348 --> 00:30:54,918
pretty much ran the show.
600
00:30:54,951 --> 00:30:57,322
If they wanted a movie made,
the movie was made.
601
00:30:57,356 --> 00:31:01,899
And for years,
many Hollywood power players
602
00:31:01,932 --> 00:31:03,936
had used Anthony Pellicano.
603
00:31:10,082 --> 00:31:12,319
- You know, Anthony would
better answer it than I can,
604
00:31:12,352 --> 00:31:14,023
but--but I certainly
felt very comfortable
605
00:31:14,056 --> 00:31:16,294
when I had a
client who had a--
606
00:31:16,327 --> 00:31:20,035
a problem that required some
special service in that area,
607
00:31:20,068 --> 00:31:22,172
that Anthony was the
right person to go to.
608
00:31:39,608 --> 00:31:40,576
- Oh, God.
609
00:31:40,610 --> 00:31:42,279
You're--you're asking me
too tough a question.
610
00:31:42,312 --> 00:31:43,314
That's ridiculous.
611
00:31:45,485 --> 00:31:47,089
- Oh, I--
612
00:31:47,122 --> 00:31:49,226
I can't tell you
what part he performed
613
00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:50,328
and what part he
didn't perform.
614
00:31:50,362 --> 00:31:52,099
Anthony was the real deal.
615
00:31:52,132 --> 00:31:54,170
He--he solved problems
for people.
616
00:31:54,203 --> 00:31:56,107
How and what he did,
I can't get into it,
617
00:31:56,140 --> 00:31:57,577
'cause I don't know myself.
618
00:31:57,610 --> 00:32:00,382
Um, but he was able
to get things done
619
00:32:00,415 --> 00:32:02,219
that other people
couldn't get done.
620
00:32:08,632 --> 00:32:11,605
NED: Brad Grey, in the '90s,
was an interesting figure,
621
00:32:11,638 --> 00:32:14,978
because he was sort of
in an emergent business.
622
00:32:15,011 --> 00:32:18,586
He was known as a manager,
but he also at the same time
623
00:32:18,619 --> 00:32:22,259
produced TV shows like
The Garry Shandling Show,
624
00:32:22,292 --> 00:32:24,096
and most famously,
The Sopranos.
625
00:32:27,504 --> 00:32:30,142
- Well, this was the subject
of some dispute
626
00:32:30,175 --> 00:32:33,983
between The New York Times
and Mr. Grey at the time.
627
00:32:34,016 --> 00:32:39,528
But we would discover that he
had tried to hire him in 1995
628
00:32:39,561 --> 00:32:43,536
when Linda Doucett
sued him and his client
629
00:32:43,569 --> 00:32:45,472
at that time, Garry Shandling.
630
00:32:45,506 --> 00:32:47,409
- Were you two just
talking about Hank?
631
00:32:47,442 --> 00:32:48,979
- No.
632
00:32:49,013 --> 00:32:50,382
- Oh. [laughs]
'Cause my ears were burning.
633
00:32:50,415 --> 00:32:52,219
Anyway, the staff
is having a little
634
00:32:52,252 --> 00:32:53,756
going away cake for Hank.
635
00:32:53,789 --> 00:32:55,258
It would be nice
if you could join us.
636
00:32:59,033 --> 00:33:01,237
- Isn't he taking this
a little seriously this time?
637
00:33:01,270 --> 00:33:03,241
- Oh, fuck it.
It's free cake.
638
00:33:03,274 --> 00:33:06,247
[mellow music]
639
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,550
♪ ♪
640
00:33:07,584 --> 00:33:10,656
LINDA DOUCETT: At the time
of The Larry Sanders Show,
641
00:33:10,690 --> 00:33:14,096
Garry and I had been in
a long-term relationship.
642
00:33:14,129 --> 00:33:17,236
Brad Grey, who was Garry's
manager and very close friend,
643
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:19,574
was also executive producer.
644
00:33:19,608 --> 00:33:22,279
Things that he liked about
the business and the things
645
00:33:22,312 --> 00:33:24,518
he didn't like
about the business
646
00:33:24,551 --> 00:33:26,522
was the premise of the show.
647
00:33:26,555 --> 00:33:29,293
The insecurities
and the desperateness
648
00:33:29,326 --> 00:33:31,598
and the narcissism.
649
00:33:31,632 --> 00:33:34,303
Garry mocked that.
650
00:33:34,336 --> 00:33:36,608
Creatively, personally,
business-wise,
651
00:33:36,642 --> 00:33:38,746
we all confided in each other.
652
00:33:38,779 --> 00:33:41,618
It was very validating
to be working with them,
653
00:33:41,652 --> 00:33:43,622
because I was much greener
654
00:33:43,656 --> 00:33:46,127
and just starting out
in my career.
655
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,066
And Brad used me sometimes
to say,
656
00:33:49,099 --> 00:33:51,204
"Can you talk to Garry?"
You know.
657
00:33:51,237 --> 00:33:53,074
And then Garry would
use me sometimes to say,
658
00:33:53,107 --> 00:33:54,443
"Mention this to Brad."
659
00:33:54,476 --> 00:33:58,318
But at the same time, we were
steering our own ship,
660
00:33:58,351 --> 00:34:00,590
with so much creative freedom.
661
00:34:00,623 --> 00:34:02,727
But also a lot of pressure.
662
00:34:04,598 --> 00:34:07,737
I had that biological clock.
663
00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:09,073
And I thought,
gosh, I have to have
664
00:34:09,106 --> 00:34:12,446
something bigger than this in
the way of a child and family.
665
00:34:12,479 --> 00:34:16,354
And that was important to me
and difficult for Garry.
666
00:34:16,387 --> 00:34:20,696
So we decided to break up
and still try to work
together.
667
00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:26,775
When the powers that be
behind Garry got involved,
668
00:34:26,808 --> 00:34:30,482
it became a very
big business thing.
669
00:34:30,516 --> 00:34:33,354
Garry seemed very,
very nervous and said,
670
00:34:33,388 --> 00:34:35,660
"Okay, we're
going to separate.
671
00:34:35,693 --> 00:34:37,262
But you have to sign this."
672
00:34:37,296 --> 00:34:40,268
And he brought me this
thing like a phone book.
673
00:34:40,302 --> 00:34:44,511
And so I signed it,
674
00:34:44,544 --> 00:34:46,682
and then they fired me.
675
00:34:46,715 --> 00:34:49,688
[tense music]
676
00:34:49,721 --> 00:34:54,497
♪ ♪
677
00:34:54,531 --> 00:34:58,739
I have a lawsuit
against my loved ones,
678
00:34:58,772 --> 00:35:04,684
my ex-fiancé, and Brad, and
people I work with and loved.
679
00:35:04,718 --> 00:35:07,389
And it was surreal.
680
00:35:10,796 --> 00:35:12,065
What started happening
then was,
681
00:35:12,099 --> 00:35:17,677
Garry found out that Brad had
been taking money from him.
682
00:35:17,710 --> 00:35:21,150
NED: Garry Shandling felt
that he was being exploited,
683
00:35:21,183 --> 00:35:23,722
essentially--
that his own manager
684
00:35:23,756 --> 00:35:29,366
was horning in on his business
and not sharing the wealth.
685
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,308
Brad Grey would say, no,
I was sharing the wealth.
686
00:35:33,341 --> 00:35:36,447
But the point is,
this fell out over money.
687
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,717
When Brad Grey lawyered up,
688
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:39,854
he was represented
by Bert Fields.
689
00:35:39,888 --> 00:35:43,729
And that's where Anthony
Pellicano enters the picture.
690
00:35:43,762 --> 00:35:46,334
LINDA: The first time I heard
the name Anthony Pellicano
691
00:35:46,367 --> 00:35:48,539
was when Garry said,
"I just want you to know
692
00:35:48,572 --> 00:35:51,611
"that during your
wrongful termination lawsuit,
693
00:35:51,645 --> 00:35:53,582
"Brad wanted to
use this person
694
00:35:53,615 --> 00:35:56,855
named Anthony Pellicano
to discredit you."
695
00:35:56,888 --> 00:36:02,265
that's what Brad used against
The ironic thing is that
Garry.
696
00:36:02,299 --> 00:36:04,537
I remember joking
with Garry about,
697
00:36:04,571 --> 00:36:05,740
do you think our phone
is tapped?
698
00:36:05,773 --> 00:36:08,211
And hearing the clickings,
and hearing it,
699
00:36:08,244 --> 00:36:12,219
but still not totally
being able to believe
700
00:36:12,252 --> 00:36:13,622
that it could be happening.
701
00:36:13,655 --> 00:36:15,593
- I loved our conversations
on the phone.
702
00:36:15,626 --> 00:36:17,195
I'm gonna miss those,
late into the night,
703
00:36:17,229 --> 00:36:19,834
talking about comedy
and joke structure.
704
00:36:22,339 --> 00:36:24,243
It was just him and me,
705
00:36:24,276 --> 00:36:26,782
and on occasion,
Anthony Pellicano.
706
00:36:26,815 --> 00:36:29,587
[laughter]
707
00:36:29,621 --> 00:36:34,329
ALLISON: Pellicano's work
in that case really undermined
708
00:36:34,363 --> 00:36:36,233
Garry Shandling's reputation.
709
00:36:36,267 --> 00:36:39,373
According to Garry Shandling,
Brad Grey went about
710
00:36:39,406 --> 00:36:41,377
wiretapping all
of his friends,
711
00:36:41,410 --> 00:36:45,351
and that he used all
that information to mount
712
00:36:45,385 --> 00:36:47,489
a public campaign
to discredit Garry Shandling--
713
00:36:47,523 --> 00:36:50,395
that he was crazy,
that he was a drug addict.
714
00:36:50,428 --> 00:36:52,800
It was a character
assassination as well as
715
00:36:52,834 --> 00:36:54,269
a career assassination.
716
00:36:54,303 --> 00:36:55,740
Shandling felt that he never
And frankly, Garry
717
00:36:55,773 --> 00:36:56,908
really came back from it.
718
00:36:56,942 --> 00:37:00,616
- I think it's an
incredibly, uh,
719
00:37:00,649 --> 00:37:04,824
that our world has become one
unfortunate circumstance
720
00:37:04,858 --> 00:37:09,834
in which this so-called spin
is used, uh, for certain
agendas.
721
00:37:16,815 --> 00:37:19,654
[tense music]
722
00:37:19,687 --> 00:37:23,962
NED: There was a handful
of extremely powerful lawyers
723
00:37:23,996 --> 00:37:27,302
that kind of ran the town
behind the scenes.
724
00:37:27,335 --> 00:37:30,943
And it was their job
to very quietly and ruthlessly
725
00:37:30,976 --> 00:37:32,412
get the job done.
726
00:37:49,948 --> 00:37:52,452
- I didn't realize
the relationship Pellicano had
727
00:37:52,486 --> 00:37:53,789
with these lawyers
until I started
728
00:37:53,822 --> 00:37:56,427
listening to these recordings.
729
00:37:56,460 --> 00:37:57,964
ANTHONY: Do you want me
to destroy them?
730
00:37:57,997 --> 00:38:00,401
TERRY CHRISTENSEN: Yeah.
ANTHONY: You got it.
731
00:38:00,435 --> 00:38:02,305
TERRY:
Yeah, um...
732
00:38:15,633 --> 00:38:18,070
- It's like they assumed
a different personality
733
00:38:18,104 --> 00:38:19,574
to handle him.
734
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,751
DENNIS WASSER: I got some
pretty good stuff, boy.
735
00:38:24,784 --> 00:38:26,453
ANTHONY: No, I'm talking
about fucking Kolodny.
736
00:38:36,908 --> 00:38:39,781
- It was all about getting
private information
737
00:38:39,814 --> 00:38:41,483
that you can use
in the litigation,
738
00:38:41,518 --> 00:38:43,387
especially in divorce.
739
00:38:43,421 --> 00:38:46,360
[mellow music]
740
00:38:46,393 --> 00:38:50,368
♪ ♪
741
00:38:50,401 --> 00:38:55,579
JUDE GREEN: In 1994, I was
living in Aspen, Colorado.
742
00:38:55,613 --> 00:38:59,587
I was separated
from my husband, Andreas.
743
00:38:59,621 --> 00:39:04,329
Alex was two
and James was six.
744
00:39:05,966 --> 00:39:09,039
James and I
went skiing together.
745
00:39:09,072 --> 00:39:11,811
He wanted to have hot
chocolate at The Little Nell.
746
00:39:11,845 --> 00:39:13,549
We sat in front
of the fireplace.
747
00:39:13,582 --> 00:39:15,653
There was a man sitting
by the fireplace,
748
00:39:15,686 --> 00:39:16,821
and he looked harmless.
749
00:39:16,855 --> 00:39:18,525
That was Leonard.
750
00:39:20,563 --> 00:39:22,667
So I put James next to him.
751
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:25,071
Leonard started
playing tic-tac-toe
752
00:39:25,104 --> 00:39:26,741
with him on a napkin.
753
00:39:26,775 --> 00:39:29,379
He asked James,
"Could you and your mother
754
00:39:29,413 --> 00:39:30,783
meet me the next day?"
and James said,
755
00:39:30,816 --> 00:39:33,755
"Mom, we're having
a ski date with him."
756
00:39:35,726 --> 00:39:37,964
And so that's how I met him.
757
00:39:37,997 --> 00:39:40,101
He won me over.
758
00:39:40,134 --> 00:39:44,944
♪ ♪
759
00:39:44,978 --> 00:39:46,781
He immediately said,
760
00:39:46,815 --> 00:39:48,952
"Are you gonna
divorce your husband?"
761
00:39:48,986 --> 00:39:51,858
I said, "Yes, let me talk
to my lawyers."
762
00:39:51,891 --> 00:39:55,499
Leonard said, "We need
to get you to California."
763
00:39:55,532 --> 00:39:59,774
So I had to leave my house
and my job,
764
00:39:59,807 --> 00:40:05,586
and he started speeding
my separation into a divorce.
765
00:40:05,619 --> 00:40:08,692
I met him November '94.
766
00:40:08,725 --> 00:40:13,969
By November '95,
we were married.
767
00:40:16,975 --> 00:40:20,516
Leonard is known
for the leveraged buyout.
768
00:40:21,651 --> 00:40:26,695
He thought, years ago, that
if people could put 15% down
769
00:40:26,728 --> 00:40:29,534
and buy a house,
why can't they put
770
00:40:29,567 --> 00:40:31,705
15% down and buy a company?
771
00:40:33,842 --> 00:40:36,615
I was a good advocate
for Leonard.
772
00:40:36,648 --> 00:40:38,585
I was just, um,
a people person,
773
00:40:38,619 --> 00:40:42,025
and I would hear for months
that there was problems,
774
00:40:42,058 --> 00:40:44,162
that they couldn't get
this company,
775
00:40:44,196 --> 00:40:48,137
and then I'd take them out
for dinner, and it was done.
776
00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:51,911
But Leonard basically
let lawyers run his life.
777
00:40:51,945 --> 00:40:55,953
lawyer is--is as good as you
You know, I always say a
are.
778
00:40:57,823 --> 00:41:00,896
But if you're not good,
if you're--if you're open
779
00:41:00,929 --> 00:41:03,835
and weak and vulnerable,
then they will run you.
780
00:41:03,869 --> 00:41:07,910
And that's precisely
what was happening.
781
00:41:07,943 --> 00:41:12,052
They were asking
for a postnuptial agreement.
782
00:41:12,085 --> 00:41:14,022
Because I never signed--
783
00:41:14,056 --> 00:41:17,797
never--nor was I ever
asked to sign a prenup.
784
00:41:17,830 --> 00:41:20,636
It was just causing tension.
785
00:41:20,669 --> 00:41:23,542
And then
divorce proceedings started.
786
00:41:23,575 --> 00:41:27,750
There was a myriad of lawyers,
because every lawyer
787
00:41:27,783 --> 00:41:30,756
that I interviewed
told me that Pellicano
788
00:41:30,789 --> 00:41:33,595
was closely associated
with the lawyers
789
00:41:33,628 --> 00:41:36,000
that Leonard was hiring.
790
00:41:36,033 --> 00:41:38,538
They all say
the same thing to you.
791
00:41:38,572 --> 00:41:42,012
Oh--so you are going
to be wiretapped
792
00:41:42,045 --> 00:41:44,149
all the time
by Anthony Pellicano.
793
00:41:56,608 --> 00:41:58,044
JUDE: He will go through
your garbage,
794
00:41:58,077 --> 00:42:00,181
so you need
a cross-cut shredder,
795
00:42:00,214 --> 00:42:02,586
'cause Anthony knows how
to glue together
796
00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:04,590
the single-cut
shredding machine.
797
00:42:04,624 --> 00:42:08,164
I'm sorry, what?
798
00:42:08,197 --> 00:42:10,068
Watch your cars too.
799
00:42:10,101 --> 00:42:11,838
My God, it's like
The Godfather.
800
00:42:11,871 --> 00:42:14,242
I can't believe
this is the advice.
801
00:42:14,276 --> 00:42:19,219
Family law in Los Angeles
is clearly corrupt,
802
00:42:19,252 --> 00:42:21,958
and it was corrupted
by Pellicano
803
00:42:21,991 --> 00:42:23,829
and the lawyers that used him.
804
00:42:30,876 --> 00:42:33,782
[inquisitive music]
805
00:42:49,312 --> 00:42:51,283
- He really wanted people
to think that he was a thug,
806
00:42:51,316 --> 00:42:54,957
and that he had sort
of this honor code
807
00:42:54,991 --> 00:42:57,128
that is akin to what
we see in mafia movies.
808
00:42:57,162 --> 00:42:59,867
And a lot of his clients
really bought into that,
809
00:42:59,901 --> 00:43:02,305
because he seemed like the PI
you'd hire from TV.
810
00:43:02,338 --> 00:43:04,109
[phone rings]
811
00:43:04,142 --> 00:43:05,846
JUDE:
I'm living in Bel Air,
812
00:43:05,879 --> 00:43:09,787
and I remember I had a call
around 10 p. m.,
813
00:43:09,821 --> 00:43:12,058
a very gruff voice telling me
814
00:43:12,091 --> 00:43:14,897
I'd better keep
my mouth shut or else,
815
00:43:14,931 --> 00:43:17,302
for the sake of your kids.
816
00:43:17,335 --> 00:43:18,304
And click.
817
00:43:18,337 --> 00:43:20,007
[ominous music]
818
00:43:20,041 --> 00:43:23,114
I went to press the alarm,
and nothing happened.
819
00:43:23,147 --> 00:43:25,986
So I pulled it out,
and the wires were cut.
820
00:43:26,019 --> 00:43:28,658
I went up to my panic button.
They were cut.
821
00:43:28,692 --> 00:43:31,998
I went to the foyer,
and they were cut.
822
00:43:32,031 --> 00:43:36,073
In my guard-gated
Bel Air house.
823
00:43:36,106 --> 00:43:37,943
I had to say good night
to my kids
824
00:43:37,977 --> 00:43:40,749
and act like
everything's great.
825
00:43:40,782 --> 00:43:43,420
Divorce is stressful enough,
826
00:43:43,454 --> 00:43:47,930
but try doing it
being a mother of two sons
827
00:43:47,963 --> 00:43:51,938
and having no one
you can trust.
828
00:43:51,971 --> 00:43:54,342
Not even your lawyer.
829
00:43:54,376 --> 00:43:55,646
I was terrified.
830
00:44:09,974 --> 00:44:12,980
- You know, I'm sure that
Pellicano thought
831
00:44:13,013 --> 00:44:14,984
I was a spoiled princess
in Bel Air.
832
00:44:15,017 --> 00:44:17,222
But I'm from Detroit,
and you just don't
833
00:44:17,255 --> 00:44:19,927
mess with women from Detroit.
834
00:44:19,961 --> 00:44:22,933
My father, he taught me
how to throw a football,
835
00:44:22,967 --> 00:44:24,102
how to hit a baseball.
836
00:44:24,135 --> 00:44:26,106
And he taught me
how to beat up a man.
837
00:44:26,139 --> 00:44:29,379
He empowered me
with how to be strong.
838
00:44:29,412 --> 00:44:33,354
That helped when I finally
came face to face with
Pellicano.
839
00:44:37,295 --> 00:44:42,238
I was driving my Shih Tzu,
Saki, to the groomer,
840
00:44:42,272 --> 00:44:47,115
and I pull up
like I usually do.
841
00:44:47,148 --> 00:44:50,254
And there's this Mercedes
that parks
842
00:44:50,288 --> 00:44:53,360
right up behind my car,
perpendicular.
843
00:44:54,864 --> 00:44:57,101
And I thought, this is crazy.
844
00:44:57,135 --> 00:45:00,208
So I come out, and now he's
leaning against my car.
845
00:45:00,241 --> 00:45:01,744
I said, look, here's the deal.
846
00:45:01,778 --> 00:45:03,247
I'm getting in my car.
847
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,484
I'm putting it in reverse,
and I'm going to mow
848
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:07,288
your Mercedes right down.
849
00:45:07,322 --> 00:45:08,892
So have a nice day.
850
00:45:08,925 --> 00:45:09,994
And I shoved him.
851
00:45:10,027 --> 00:45:14,169
He flew back to that car.
852
00:45:14,202 --> 00:45:15,438
I thought, I'm not going home.
853
00:45:15,471 --> 00:45:19,012
I'll go to a public place
where people are.
854
00:45:22,218 --> 00:45:24,155
I go into Peet's Coffee.
855
00:45:24,189 --> 00:45:26,059
I thought, I'll get in line.
856
00:45:26,093 --> 00:45:29,132
He got right behind me,
shoving me.
857
00:45:30,802 --> 00:45:32,773
I shoved him back.
858
00:45:32,806 --> 00:45:35,177
And then I thought,
here's my father.
859
00:45:35,211 --> 00:45:37,048
He said always twist and turn.
860
00:45:37,081 --> 00:45:40,054
So I said, "Get the fuck
away from me!"
861
00:45:40,087 --> 00:45:41,156
And I decked him.
862
00:45:43,795 --> 00:45:46,166
And I just stepped
on him and walked out
863
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:47,268
like he was roadkill.
864
00:45:52,378 --> 00:45:56,453
What they did to me
is--is uncalled for.
865
00:45:56,486 --> 00:46:00,294
And what they did to me,
they did to my children.
866
00:46:00,328 --> 00:46:03,935
When I saw my older son
James suffering,
867
00:46:03,969 --> 00:46:06,541
I said,
"Let's--let's just settle."
868
00:46:06,574 --> 00:46:08,444
They were destroying us.
869
00:46:08,477 --> 00:46:11,818
And I knew I had to say
that's enough.
870
00:46:11,851 --> 00:46:14,022
I mean, how many law firms?
871
00:46:14,055 --> 00:46:16,226
And how much could I fight?
872
00:46:16,259 --> 00:46:19,800
I was one person
against multiple--
873
00:46:19,834 --> 00:46:21,771
a multipronged attack.
874
00:46:27,883 --> 00:46:30,856
[ominous music]
875
00:46:30,889 --> 00:46:33,327
♪ ♪
876
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,934
ALLISON: Anthony Pellicano
made good use of intimidation.
877
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,577
But I have to tell you,
in a lot of instances,
878
00:46:41,611 --> 00:46:43,581
he had built up
this myth about himself.
879
00:46:43,615 --> 00:46:46,320
Everybody played to it.
880
00:46:46,353 --> 00:46:48,858
So Anthony Pellicano
881
00:46:48,892 --> 00:46:51,196
becomes really full
of himself.
882
00:46:51,229 --> 00:46:55,539
that he's become part of the
And he not only now thinks
club,
883
00:46:55,572 --> 00:46:58,477
but he thinks he has the power
to move some of the players
884
00:46:58,511 --> 00:46:59,513
in the club around.
885
00:47:00,649 --> 00:47:04,422
At one point, he calls
the litigator Marty Singer.
886
00:47:04,456 --> 00:47:06,159
And Marty Singer
is saying to him,
887
00:47:06,193 --> 00:47:08,531
"I don't want you going
after Sylvester Stallone,
888
00:47:08,565 --> 00:47:10,234
who is a client of Marty's."
889
00:47:21,156 --> 00:47:22,993
- And Anthony really
takes it badly.
890
00:47:36,587 --> 00:47:39,527
ALLISON: By this point, Brad
Grey and Anthony Pellicano
891
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,898
become so close that
they end up developing
892
00:47:41,931 --> 00:47:44,870
a TV series together
over at HBO.
893
00:47:57,428 --> 00:47:59,567
- That project ends up
falling through,
894
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,573
but the writer they hired
goes on to create Ray Donovan.
895
00:48:02,606 --> 00:48:06,012
- No! No!
Oh Jesus, Ray!
896
00:48:06,046 --> 00:48:07,616
I can't reveal my sources.
897
00:48:07,649 --> 00:48:09,352
No! No, no, stop!
898
00:48:09,385 --> 00:48:11,557
ALLISON: He thought he was
part of the power brokers
899
00:48:11,591 --> 00:48:13,327
and the power elite in town.
900
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,599
Now he's become part
of the angry talent.
901
00:48:15,632 --> 00:48:18,938
ANTHONY:
I mean, fuck, it's all me.
902
00:48:18,972 --> 00:48:23,147
- Anthony Pellicano is
really starting to become
903
00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:24,349
reckless with his behavior.
904
00:48:24,382 --> 00:48:25,952
He's become a big name.
905
00:48:25,986 --> 00:48:28,290
He's taking on more clients.
He's doing more work.
906
00:48:28,323 --> 00:48:30,929
And in a way, he might have
gotten a little bit sloppy.
907
00:48:30,962 --> 00:48:33,935
[birds chirping]
908
00:48:33,968 --> 00:48:36,941
[pensive music]
909
00:48:36,974 --> 00:48:39,379
♪ ♪
910
00:48:39,412 --> 00:48:41,517
ANITA BUSCH:
I loved--
911
00:48:41,551 --> 00:48:44,022
I love journalism.
912
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:48,297
I was a journalist
to the core.
913
00:48:49,432 --> 00:48:52,105
I wanted to be a journalist
since I was a little kid.
914
00:48:52,138 --> 00:48:56,379
I remember the Christmas that
I got my little tape recorder,
915
00:48:56,413 --> 00:48:58,618
and I would interview
my friends and...[laughs]
916
00:49:11,711 --> 00:49:14,650
I was curious
about everything.
917
00:49:15,685 --> 00:49:18,558
I came to learn that
journalism was really
918
00:49:18,591 --> 00:49:20,327
about shining a light
on the good
919
00:49:20,361 --> 00:49:23,267
and lifting it up,
and shining light on the bad
920
00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:25,204
and getting rid of it.
921
00:49:25,237 --> 00:49:27,141
A lot of people the filmmakers
and the agents
922
00:49:27,175 --> 00:49:29,412
and the actresses, they looked
back at their career
923
00:49:29,445 --> 00:49:31,383
over the past year,
and they decide, you know,
924
00:49:31,416 --> 00:49:33,353
should I make a--
should I make a change?
925
00:49:35,124 --> 00:49:37,996
You know, 2002, I had just
left The New York Times,
926
00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:41,771
and I went and I started under
a contract at the LA Times
927
00:49:41,804 --> 00:49:43,508
under a--it was gonna be
three months,
928
00:49:43,541 --> 00:49:45,477
and then I would decide
if I wanted to go on.
929
00:49:46,814 --> 00:49:48,718
I got a call,
I remember, one morning,
930
00:49:48,751 --> 00:49:53,293
that there was, um, a sweep
of the waterfront in New York.
931
00:49:53,327 --> 00:49:56,032
Julius Nasso, the producing
partner of Steven Seagal,
932
00:49:56,066 --> 00:49:57,569
was swept up in that sweep,
933
00:49:57,603 --> 00:49:59,640
along with some other
Gambino people.
934
00:49:59,673 --> 00:50:02,546
It was organized crime.
It was a great scoop.
935
00:50:02,579 --> 00:50:05,184
So I started digging into that
936
00:50:05,217 --> 00:50:07,589
like I would dig into any
other frickin' story.
937
00:50:07,623 --> 00:50:11,564
[inquisitive music]
938
00:50:11,597 --> 00:50:16,741
June 20th, I was working on
questions for Steven Seagal,
939
00:50:16,774 --> 00:50:18,477
and my doorbell rings.
940
00:50:18,511 --> 00:50:19,647
It's my neighbor.
941
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,088
And she says, "Hey, I think
you need to come outside."
942
00:50:24,122 --> 00:50:25,357
I said, "Why?"
943
00:50:25,391 --> 00:50:26,727
She goes, "Something happened
to your car."
944
00:50:26,761 --> 00:50:28,397
I was like, "All right,
I'll be there in a second."
945
00:50:28,430 --> 00:50:31,069
She goes, "No, I think you
need to come out right now."
946
00:50:31,102 --> 00:50:34,577
When I walked out, I saw
a pan on the windshield.
947
00:50:34,610 --> 00:50:36,614
And inside of it,
wrapped in plastic,
948
00:50:36,647 --> 00:50:40,689
was something dark and long.
949
00:50:40,722 --> 00:50:46,500
And there was a piece of
paper, and it said, "Stop."
950
00:50:46,534 --> 00:50:49,105
It just didn't seem real.
951
00:50:49,138 --> 00:50:51,711
It was a dead fish and a rose.
952
00:50:51,744 --> 00:50:54,750
I remember thinking, well,
yeah, from Hollywood movies,
953
00:50:54,783 --> 00:50:56,654
a dead fish is swimming
with the fishes, okay.
954
00:50:56,687 --> 00:50:59,392
So I get stop or you'll be
swimming with the fishes.
955
00:50:59,425 --> 00:51:00,829
Stop or you'll
die. I got that.
956
00:51:00,862 --> 00:51:03,433
I didn't know
what the rose meant.
957
00:51:03,467 --> 00:51:05,070
I thought immediately,
well, gosh,
958
00:51:05,104 --> 00:51:07,108
this has to be related
to the story I'm doing,
959
00:51:07,141 --> 00:51:09,647
because of writing about
the mob and Steven Seagal
960
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,786
and Julius Nasso
and the Gambinos.
961
00:51:12,819 --> 00:51:16,126
I was trying to figure out
what I had stepped into,
962
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:19,667
who was behind it,
and what was going on.
963
00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:21,469
I had no clue.
964
00:51:21,504 --> 00:51:28,518
♪ ♪
965
00:51:29,586 --> 00:51:31,791
I go into the office
the next day
966
00:51:31,824 --> 00:51:35,264
and I start listening
to phone messages.
967
00:51:35,297 --> 00:51:38,236
And it's one after another
of a guy saying
968
00:51:38,270 --> 00:51:42,746
that he wants to talk to me
about the Seagal story.
969
00:51:42,779 --> 00:51:45,117
[dial tone hums]
[touch tones beeping]
970
00:51:45,150 --> 00:51:47,288
I dial the guy back,
and he said,
971
00:51:47,321 --> 00:51:49,292
"I ran into a guy,
and he was hired
972
00:51:49,325 --> 00:51:51,897
"to blow up your car,
and it's gonna happen
973
00:51:51,931 --> 00:51:54,302
in the next couple days."
974
00:51:54,335 --> 00:51:57,375
I'm shaking, but I'm being
the journalist, like, okay.
975
00:51:57,408 --> 00:51:59,647
Who did you run into?
What was his name?
976
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,451
You know, can you tell me
any more information?
977
00:52:02,485 --> 00:52:04,188
I was able to get out
of him that it was
978
00:52:04,222 --> 00:52:05,825
a private investigator
who had hired
979
00:52:05,859 --> 00:52:07,663
the guy that he ran into.
980
00:52:07,696 --> 00:52:09,165
And I said, okay, thank you.
981
00:52:09,198 --> 00:52:12,438
I hang up, and I was like,
I want the FBI called.
982
00:52:12,471 --> 00:52:15,411
I want the LAPD called.
I want--I want them here now.
983
00:52:15,444 --> 00:52:18,918
They told me that I should not
be using my cell phone,
984
00:52:18,951 --> 00:52:21,857
my computer, my bank account--
985
00:52:21,891 --> 00:52:25,230
anything, until they knew
what they were dealing with.
986
00:52:26,767 --> 00:52:28,470
- My name is Dan Saunders.
987
00:52:28,504 --> 00:52:30,274
I was an Assistant
United States Attorney
988
00:52:30,307 --> 00:52:31,744
in the Central District
of California
989
00:52:31,777 --> 00:52:35,451
in Los Angeles
from 1997 to 2011.
990
00:52:35,484 --> 00:52:37,488
[suspenseful music]
991
00:52:37,522 --> 00:52:39,827
In the late summer,
early fall of 2002,
992
00:52:39,860 --> 00:52:43,433
I was contacted by an
FBI agent, Stan Ornellas.
993
00:52:43,467 --> 00:52:44,837
Uh, and he contacted me
994
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:47,341
because a man
named Alex Proctor
995
00:52:47,375 --> 00:52:49,747
had threatened a reporter
named Anita Busch,
996
00:52:49,780 --> 00:52:53,186
and had done that at the
behest of Anthony Pellicano.
997
00:52:53,220 --> 00:52:55,759
It all sounded like
it was straight out of a
movie.
998
00:52:55,792 --> 00:52:57,863
So we obviously
did what we do,
999
00:52:57,896 --> 00:52:59,800
which was,
we began investigating.
1000
00:53:15,598 --> 00:53:18,604
[laughter]
1001
00:53:20,608 --> 00:53:23,246
- Did I ever tell anybody
to do anything like that?
1002
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,350
Absolutely not.
1003
00:53:25,384 --> 00:53:27,622
That is crazy,
and it's stupid.
1004
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,731
I don't give a fuck
what people say about me.
1005
00:53:31,764 --> 00:53:33,266
I don't care.
1006
00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:34,335
I mean, I've been
called a thug.
1007
00:53:34,368 --> 00:53:35,538
I've been called every word.
1008
00:53:35,572 --> 00:53:37,809
And those are just words,
you understand?
1009
00:53:37,843 --> 00:53:41,617
And people say things
for their own vested
interests.
1010
00:53:41,650 --> 00:53:43,955
People will say anything.
1011
00:53:43,988 --> 00:53:45,424
You know that.
1012
00:53:45,457 --> 00:53:47,361
You have to decide
at one point in time,
1013
00:53:47,395 --> 00:53:50,802
who's the good guy, who's
the bad guy, you understand?
1014
00:53:50,835 --> 00:53:53,674
I never went
after innocent people.
1015
00:53:53,708 --> 00:53:55,344
Never.
1016
00:53:55,377 --> 00:54:00,522
♪ ♪