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<i>PERSON: Tony Pellicano</i>
<i>was the go-to guy</i>

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to take care
of life's annoying problems.

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PERSON: Anthony Pellicano
was Mr. Fix-It to the stars.

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PERSON: He represented

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just about everybody,

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some of the biggest
lawyer names.

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PERSON: He had access
to information,

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and he would acquire it
ruthlessly.

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ANCHOR: When my phone started

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clicking and popping--

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pop-pop-pop--cchhh...

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- I thought immediately,
Anthony Pellicano,

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the wiretap
surveillance expert.

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PERSON: Anthony was hired
to shut people down.

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- And he used
intimidation to do it.

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[suspenseful music]

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PERSON: The man had been hired
by Pellicano

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to threaten a reporter
named Anita Busch.

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- Okay. So I get
stop, or you'll be

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swimming with the fishes,
stop, or you'll die.

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I got that.

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- We obviously did what we do.
We began investigating.

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PERSON: Anthony Pellicano
is gonna go down.

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The question is, who else is
gonna go down with him?

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- Everybody was expecting
that he was

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gonna expose that
they had used him

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to wiretap their adversaries.

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PERSON: I would say
paralyzed with fear

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is pretty much the mood.

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[dramatic music]

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- I never went after
innocent people.

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Never.

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[dramatic musical sting]

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[suspenseful music]

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♪ ♪

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- So you want me
to straddle this?

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Is that what you
want me to do?

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Is this okay like this?

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I don't--I can't see me,
so I don't know.

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CREWPERSON: Would you
prefer him be able

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to scooch up a little?

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- You want me to
scoot up a little?

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Yeah. Go ahead, go ahead.
Be a fucking pain in the ass.

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CREWPERSON: Yeah, yeah.
Go ahead, go ahead.

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And, uh...
- There you go.

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CREWPERSON: Yeah, you know,

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the more you're kinda
sitting forward,

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generally, the better.
- Yeah, yeah, fuck that shit.

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Come on.

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CREWPERSON: And if you hadn't
figured it out already,

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Liz is on a teleprompter.

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- I like looking at
pretty girls, so...

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- Um...okay.

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What was your first time
wiretapping?

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- [sighs] I-I was
wi-wiretapping in the '60s.

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LIZ: What made you
decide to do that?

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'Cause it's risky, right?
It's-it's illegal.

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- Well, honey, that was...
[laughs]

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that's a minor part of risk.

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things that you did
LIZ: Were there

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that the government
that were illegal

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never was able to
charge you with?

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- Oh, my goodness.

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[laughing]

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Let's see--we're on
a tape-recorded interview,

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and you're asking me
did I do anything illegal?

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Of course I did.

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[upbeat news theme]

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ANNOUNCER:
Welcome to "Larry King Live."

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- Anthony, I mean,
you guys in your business,

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you tap phones, don't you?

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- Anyone who breaks the
law has gotta be nuts,

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you know what I mean,

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especially when you're
involved in a high-profile
case.

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You're going to go down
with the defendant.

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I-I broke the law
all the time, you know?

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And-and so did other
private investigators.

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You know, we all break
the law...to a degree.

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I mean, you know, you don't
wanna commit a felony.

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You don't wanna go
to prison for doing it.

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But, I mean, and I would use
the term bending the law.

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You bend the law a lot.

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I mean, you can't help
but bend the law

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in order to accomplish
what you need to do.

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- Never, no.

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I never bullied anybody.

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REPORTER: He has a reputation

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said to be built on
bully tactics,

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dirt, and a baseball bat.

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REPORTER: FBI agents began an
investigation of Pellicano

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after an anonymous threat

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was made against
a newspaper reporter.

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ANCHOR: Reporter Anita Busch
was investigating

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Seagal's alleged involvement
with organized crime.

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<i>TOM BALLARD: I</i>
nitially, the
<i>threat against Anita Busch</i>

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had overtones of
organized crime.

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went to the Organized Crime
And so that's how the case
Squad.

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TOM: Based on a recording
where Proctor

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points the finger
back to Pellicano.

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We have enough
probable cause

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to conduct a search
of Pellicano's offices

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for evidence that could
back up the allegations.

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[tense music]

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DANIEL SAUNDERS: When agents
searched Pellicano's office,

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they found what they
testified to be

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more computers
than they had ever seen

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at any one location
in their lives.

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[jazzy musical sting]

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He had a room
that we later learned

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was dubbed the War Room which
was filled with computers,

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a long row of computers
lined up, running.

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During the course of the
search, they asked him,

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"Is there anything
on the premises

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that could endanger us
or hurt us?"

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Pellicano said no.

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The agents came across a safe.

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They had Pellicano
open the safe.

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And inside that safe
they found...

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two functional hand grenades,

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a large quantity
of plastic explosives.

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I believe an expert testified

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that it was enough
plastic explosive

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to take down an airplane.

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- I had them
in my evidence safe

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and completely forgot
about 'em.

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- Well, [sighs] if you were
living my life at the time,

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it was very chaotic.

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And the FBI will tell you

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that I was just
as shocked as they were

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when they pulled it out of
my evidence safe.

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And I opened up the safe.

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And there's the C-4
and the grenades, so...

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Anyway.

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- I took away
from a client, yes.

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TOM: No, it was the height
of stupidity,

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but when it comes
to criminal cases,

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you kind of rely
on the bad guys.

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They're not, uh,
super villains.

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- We had a whole new crime
that we were then
investigating,

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and that subsequently
led to Pellicano's arrest

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for possessing
illegal explosives.

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REPORTER: The hottest
Hollywood drama this summer

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has the entertainment
capital's movers and shakers

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on the edge of their seats.

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REPORTER: Anthony Pellicano.
REPORTER: The FBI conducted

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a search of Pellicano's
office...

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REPORTER:
Where they found grenades

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and plastic explosives.

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And that put
Anthony Pellicano in jail.

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DANIEL: At Pellicano's
bail hearing

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on the explosives charges
in November 2002,

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someone who was in the
audience watching the hearing

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approached
FBI agent Stan Ornellas

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and said that
she had information

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and knowledge of
Pellicano's involvement

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in illegal wiretapping.

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That was the first indication
that we had

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of Pellicano's involvement
in wiretapping.

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[edgy music]

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That led to another search
warrant in mid-January 2003,

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which was to go back
to Pellicano's offices

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and search this time

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for evidence of involvement
in illegal wiretapping.

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When they executed that
wiretapping search warrant,

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they looked in that war room

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where all those Macs
had been up and running

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when they were in there
in November.

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It was completely empty.

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When I got out on bail,

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I came back
and I shredded everything,

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lots of things
about lots of celebrities

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so they would never get into
the hands of anybody--

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videotapes
and all kinds of things

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that I had in a room
I called the War Room.

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[punchy music]

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The entire
Michael Jackson case--

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shredded all that.

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It's all gone.

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- I think we might have had
a very different case

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if all of those computers
had been seized

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during the first
search warrant.

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But other than that,

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they seized many more
computers and devices

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from Pellicano's office.

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We didn't know what we were
looking at for quite some time

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because Pellicano encrypted
what was on the computers.

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It took the FBI
quite some time

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to decrypt those hard drives.

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So really,
a lot of what we were learning

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in the early days
wasn't from what was seized.

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It was from
witness interviews.

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TOM: We started
running down leads...

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Interviewing people
and celebrities

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associated with the case,

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like Garry Shandling,
like Sylvester Stallone.

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TOM: You know, a lot of people
that we talked to

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got a glimpse
of what was going on.

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<i>So we</i>
have the outlines
<i>of what's happening here,</i>

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but we haven't had
anybody employed by him

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admit this is
what's actually happening.

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So we decided
we're gonna take a run

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at one of Pellicano's
employees

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by the name of Tarita Virtue.

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We really didn't think that
it was going to be fruitful,

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but she invites us in.

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And then quickly...

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it's apparent she's gonna
tell us everything she knows.

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CLERK: This is tape number one

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for the videotaped deposition
of Tarita Virtue.

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AGENT: Um, Miss Virtue, we're
here today for the purpose

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of taking your deposition in
a civil action that's pending.

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When did you first become
employed by Anthony Pellicano?

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- Approximately June of 2000.

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TOM: When we sit down with
Tarita,

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we sit back and just listen
because it is a narrative.

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AGENT: When you first
became employed,

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what were your job duties?

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- Inputting data
into, um, DOS programs

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and then going online and
doing basic background checks.

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AGENT: At some point in time,
did your job duties change?

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- They did.

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AGENT: What was the nature
of the different work

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that you began doing

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a few weeks after you
first began your employment?

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- Listening to wiretaps.

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[light notes]

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- This is somebody
that wants to tell us

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exactly what she saw,

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and more importantly,
what she did.

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-
He would plug, uh,
the external hard drive

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into my computer
and enter in a password.

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The passwords
were a bit lengthy,

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meaning more than
just one word.

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And he would always
end them in "Omerta."

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He would have me
listen to each call.

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And when I would do that,

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something called Telesleuth
Player would come up.

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It was software
devised by Mr. Pellicano

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and Kevin Kachikian.

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- Pellicano and a computer
tech who worked for him

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named Kevin Kachikian had
designed a computer program

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that they called Telesleuth.

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- It basically would
take all the phone data

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that was coming in,

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record all of these calls,

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categorize them.

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- He, um, instructed me
how to document

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call I needed to make notes
which specific area of the
about.

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I could mark certain
parts of the call

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by looking at the sound wave
and also hearing tones.

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So if somebody
called their bank

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and they had to enter in
an account number,

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I would be able to mark

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the beginning of that digit
being pressed

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to the last digit being
pressed.

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And I would have all of those
numbers translated

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so I could get credit card
numbers, account numbers,

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passwords, all of it.

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- Now we had an insider,
Tarita telling us, yes.

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This is what allows us
to tap the phone.

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AGENT: What was
Rayford Turner's roll?

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- He was working for
Pac Bell,

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and he, uh...

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he-he was Mr. Pellicano's
contact for wiretapping.

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DANIEL: Pellicano had a number
of well-placed sources

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within the telephone company,
people who had access to

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confidential telephone
company databases

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that can then be used to
implement an illegal wiretap.

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[bleep]

274
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ANITA BUSCH: My phones
weren't working.

275
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I was trying to call in
from where I was remotely

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to get my messages so I could
continue on as a journalist.

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[static, crackling]

278
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And I remember thinking,
you know,

279
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what the hell's going on here?

280
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I wasn't a victim.
In my head, I was not a
victim.

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I was a journalist first.

282
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That's how I lived.

283
00:13:29,161 --> 00:13:31,332
And then one time...

284
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I'm walking out of the house.

285
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It's, like, quarter till
9:00 in the morning.

286
00:13:35,874 --> 00:13:37,545
And all of a sudden,
I hear this car.

287
00:13:37,578 --> 00:13:40,116
And it's barreling towards me.

288
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I was so scared.

289
00:13:44,024 --> 00:13:47,364
They screeched past me,
and they took off.

290
00:13:47,397 --> 00:13:48,934
And then they backed up.

291
00:13:48,967 --> 00:13:52,107
And the guy hung out
of the side of the car.

292
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I saw him go.

293
00:13:54,044 --> 00:13:55,413
And I was like, oh my God.

294
00:13:55,446 --> 00:13:56,883
I'm gonna get shot
in the head.

295
00:13:56,916 --> 00:13:59,021
Here it comes.
I'm gonna fucking die

296
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in front of this stupid
fricking apartment building.

297
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[sniffles]

298
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And then they took off.

299
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And I was like,
what am I dealing with,

300
00:14:10,276 --> 00:14:11,412
and how far are
they gonna go?

301
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AGENT: Would you please
state your full name?

302
00:14:19,461 --> 00:14:20,731
- Wayne Donald Reynolds.

303
00:14:20,764 --> 00:14:22,968
AGENT: You're familiar with
Anthony Pellicano, are you
not?

304
00:14:23,002 --> 00:14:24,037
- Unfortunately.

305
00:14:24,071 --> 00:14:25,073
AGENT: When did you work for

306
00:14:25,106 --> 00:14:27,611
the Pellicano Investigative
Agency full-time?

307
00:14:28,947 --> 00:14:32,655
- Sometime from
'96 to '99, I believe.

308
00:14:32,688 --> 00:14:36,295
[edgy music]

309
00:14:36,328 --> 00:14:38,365
AGENT: "Pellicano
was verbally abusive

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"to his employees,

311
00:14:39,468 --> 00:14:41,171
and particularly
to the women."

312
00:14:41,205 --> 00:14:43,910
Is that an accurate statement?
- That's an understatement.

313
00:14:43,944 --> 00:14:46,014
He was physically
abusive at points, too.

314
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He'd throw things.

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<i>ANTHONY: I probably was</i>
<i>the worst boss in the world.</i>

316
00:14:52,293 --> 00:14:55,567
You know, very, very tough
on everybody, all the time,

317
00:14:55,601 --> 00:14:58,239
and I had to be
because I had to get people

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to move in a
direction quickly.

319
00:15:01,044 --> 00:15:03,115
- "Pellicano also encouraged
his female employees

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00:15:03,149 --> 00:15:05,353
to get cosmetic surgery."
Is that accurate?

321
00:15:05,386 --> 00:15:08,593
- And how was that
- Oh, yeah.
articulated?

322
00:15:08,627 --> 00:15:10,597
- Your boobs are too small.

323
00:15:10,631 --> 00:15:12,167
Here's some money.
Go get 'em done.

324
00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,068
AGENT: Did the office
have a little bit

325
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of a "Peyton Place"
atmosphere to it?

326
00:15:14,672 --> 00:15:16,074
- "Peyton Place"?

327
00:15:16,108 --> 00:15:17,477
ANNOUNCER:
This is the continuing story

328
00:15:17,511 --> 00:15:19,615
of "Peyton Place."

329
00:15:19,649 --> 00:15:22,086
AGENT: All right.
I-I'm dating myself.

330
00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,559
Did it have a soap opera
type atmosphere to it?

331
00:15:24,592 --> 00:15:27,030
- Drama ran rampant, yes.

332
00:15:27,063 --> 00:15:30,537
[moody music]

333
00:15:30,571 --> 00:15:32,440
- I'm Stacy Joiner,

334
00:15:32,474 --> 00:15:35,514
and I used to work for
Anthony Pellicano.

335
00:15:36,315 --> 00:15:40,256
<i>I had alwa</i>
ys wanted to be
<i>in criminal justice.</i>

336
00:15:40,289 --> 00:15:42,495
And I started
getting interested

337
00:15:42,528 --> 00:15:44,565
in private investigating.

338
00:15:44,599 --> 00:15:49,374
And he was known to be,
like, the PI in town.

339
00:15:49,407 --> 00:15:51,378
He's very strategic.

340
00:15:51,411 --> 00:15:54,251
I think there's a certain
vulnerability

341
00:15:54,284 --> 00:15:57,525
that a man like him
was looking for.

342
00:16:00,129 --> 00:16:01,566
ANTHONY: I was like
a father figure

343
00:16:01,599 --> 00:16:03,369
to a lot of the women
there, you know?

344
00:16:03,402 --> 00:16:05,206
I-I was a savior to them,
a lot of them.

345
00:16:05,239 --> 00:16:07,210
They would come to me
with personal problems,

346
00:16:07,243 --> 00:16:08,345
and I would handle it.

347
00:16:08,379 --> 00:16:10,717
I would get on the phone
and tell abusive boyfriends

348
00:16:10,751 --> 00:16:12,086
to straighten out.

349
00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:13,422
You know,
I would do all of that.

350
00:16:13,455 --> 00:16:15,761
It was a family.

351
00:16:15,794 --> 00:16:18,667
And I was the patriarch.
I was the boss.

352
00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:20,403
I was all things.

353
00:16:20,436 --> 00:16:22,675
And they were my fingers.

354
00:16:22,708 --> 00:16:25,413
They would get
things done for me.

355
00:16:25,446 --> 00:16:29,087
- The employees in the office
were usually all women.

356
00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,293
And they had problems
with Mr. Pellicano, um,

357
00:16:32,327 --> 00:16:34,599
the way he spoke,
how he'd try and touch them

358
00:16:34,632 --> 00:16:36,368
and things like that.

359
00:16:39,074 --> 00:16:41,513
STACY: On Monday morning,
he required you

360
00:16:41,546 --> 00:16:44,017
to give him a hug,
give him a kiss,

361
00:16:44,050 --> 00:16:45,521
go through with your weekend.

362
00:16:45,554 --> 00:16:47,223
And then the same
thing on a Friday--

363
00:16:47,257 --> 00:16:49,629
give him a kiss goodbye
for the weekend.

364
00:16:49,662 --> 00:16:53,235
And it was always...

365
00:16:53,269 --> 00:16:55,406
attempted
to try to be on the lips.

366
00:16:55,439 --> 00:16:57,176
- I mean, everybody used to
kiss me, and I kissed them.

367
00:16:57,210 --> 00:16:59,515
I mean, the women
who worked for me were all--

368
00:16:59,549 --> 00:17:00,751
we were all very close.

369
00:17:00,784 --> 00:17:03,455
- Mr. Pellicano
was a micromanager,

370
00:17:03,489 --> 00:17:05,026
and if he said something,
we just did it.

371
00:17:05,059 --> 00:17:06,395
We didn't ask questions why.

372
00:17:09,167 --> 00:17:11,138
STACY:
Every call that came in,

373
00:17:11,171 --> 00:17:13,242
I would walk into
Anthony's office,

374
00:17:13,275 --> 00:17:16,215
and I had to stand on
the left side of him

375
00:17:16,248 --> 00:17:19,221
and wait until he acknowledged
that I was standing there.

376
00:17:19,254 --> 00:17:21,593
And once he did, then I would
tell him who the call was,

377
00:17:21,626 --> 00:17:24,164
and then he would say whether
or not he would take the call.

378
00:17:29,875 --> 00:17:33,482
- If I ever said that without
him acknowledging me first,

379
00:17:33,516 --> 00:17:36,656
he would get crazy mad.

380
00:17:51,485 --> 00:17:54,457
- I just remember
taking breaks.

381
00:17:54,492 --> 00:17:59,134
And I would go and sit outside
and just bawl my eyes out.

382
00:17:59,167 --> 00:18:02,206
And I'd go back upstairs
and keep working.

383
00:18:03,777 --> 00:18:08,185
I never asked Anthony
if he was wiretapping people.

384
00:18:08,218 --> 00:18:11,358
I did ask him
what he was listening to.

385
00:18:11,391 --> 00:18:15,232
And he would always say, "The
less you know, the better."

386
00:18:18,138 --> 00:18:21,713
time with his ex-wife on the
I hear him arguing all the
phone.

387
00:18:21,746 --> 00:18:25,554
One morning I was
bringing him his coffee.

388
00:18:25,587 --> 00:18:28,493
He's at his desk with the
headphones and everything.

389
00:18:28,526 --> 00:18:30,631
And I don't know what it was,
but it clicked.

390
00:18:30,664 --> 00:18:33,135
Like, oh my God,
he's actually listening

391
00:18:33,168 --> 00:18:35,406
to all of her conversations.

392
00:18:45,861 --> 00:18:48,733
- But I had no idea at all

393
00:18:48,767 --> 00:18:51,204
to the extent of...

394
00:18:51,238 --> 00:18:53,108
what he was doing
in the industry.

395
00:18:55,514 --> 00:18:59,354
One day he had a yelling
tangent in the War Room.

396
00:18:59,387 --> 00:19:01,492
He just went off.

397
00:19:01,526 --> 00:19:03,763
And I said, "I quit,"
and I walked out of the room.

398
00:19:03,797 --> 00:19:05,333
And I went into my office,

399
00:19:05,366 --> 00:19:07,938
and I went to take
the key off of my key ring.

400
00:19:07,971 --> 00:19:09,575
And he comes in after me

401
00:19:09,608 --> 00:19:12,447
and he kind of pushed me
against the hall, um, wall

402
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,783
and said,
"You're not quitting.

403
00:19:13,817 --> 00:19:16,254
You're not quitting.
Nobody quits here."

404
00:19:16,288 --> 00:19:17,958
He didn't hit me or anything,

405
00:19:17,992 --> 00:19:19,929
but it was the force of him
putting me against the wall,

406
00:19:19,962 --> 00:19:21,933
like him putting his body
up against mine.

407
00:19:21,966 --> 00:19:26,542
And I threw the key on
the floor, and I ran out.

408
00:19:26,576 --> 00:19:29,314
I was scared.
I was--

409
00:19:29,347 --> 00:19:31,552
I just wanted
to be away from him.

410
00:19:31,586 --> 00:19:36,596
I just felt like he was
this mean, aggressive man.

411
00:19:37,363 --> 00:19:39,869
I just wanted to
be away from him.

412
00:19:50,386 --> 00:19:52,293
In addition to working for people in

413
00:19:52,293 --> 00:19:54,899
the entertainment industry--
celebrities, lawyers--

414
00:19:54,932 --> 00:19:58,405
Pellicano did a lot of work
with law enforcement.

415
00:20:01,746 --> 00:20:03,683
- When Anthony
was awaiting sentencing

416
00:20:03,717 --> 00:20:05,319
on the weapons charges,

417
00:20:05,352 --> 00:20:08,560
he submitted a whole
host of thank-you letters

418
00:20:08,593 --> 00:20:12,300
that law enforcement agencies
had sent him over the years.

419
00:20:13,168 --> 00:20:15,574
<i>PERSON:</i>
He had connections
<i>to all of those places,</i>

420
00:20:15,607 --> 00:20:16,909
and he had connections
at the LAPD

421
00:20:16,943 --> 00:20:19,280
where he was able to,
quid pro quo,

422
00:20:19,314 --> 00:20:21,451
get Mark Arneson
to run plates for him.

423
00:20:21,485 --> 00:20:23,757
AGENT: Who is Mark Arneson?

424
00:20:23,790 --> 00:20:26,696
- Uh, our contact
at the police department.

425
00:20:26,729 --> 00:20:30,837
He would give us background
checks and DMV records.

426
00:20:30,871 --> 00:20:33,308
[punchy string music]

427
00:20:33,342 --> 00:20:34,745
DANIEL: The first step
that Pellicano took

428
00:20:34,779 --> 00:20:37,350
in almost every investigation
that he did

429
00:20:37,383 --> 00:20:39,387
was to get a list of names

430
00:20:39,421 --> 00:20:42,795
to one of the police officers
on his payroll.

431
00:20:42,828 --> 00:20:45,934
And those were Mark Arneson
at the LA Police Department

432
00:20:45,967 --> 00:20:47,538
and Craig Stevens

433
00:20:47,571 --> 00:20:50,610
at the Beverly Hills
Police Department.

434
00:20:50,644 --> 00:20:53,650
Both of them,
as a routine matter,

435
00:20:53,683 --> 00:20:57,323
would access protected
databases

436
00:20:57,356 --> 00:21:00,029
that only police officers
have access to,

437
00:21:00,062 --> 00:21:01,666
databases that show things

438
00:21:01,699 --> 00:21:03,335
like somebody's
criminal history,

439
00:21:03,368 --> 00:21:06,509
DMV information,
particular addresses.

440
00:21:07,076 --> 00:21:08,278
[phone beeps]

441
00:21:20,436 --> 00:21:23,041
[Anthony laughs]

442
00:21:26,047 --> 00:21:27,951
DANIEL: The names
that Pellicano

443
00:21:27,985 --> 00:21:31,692
would give to Mark Arneson
to run...

444
00:21:31,726 --> 00:21:34,532
included not just the victims
or the witnesses

445
00:21:34,565 --> 00:21:36,803
in a particular criminal case.

446
00:21:36,836 --> 00:21:39,642
It included their children,

447
00:21:39,675 --> 00:21:42,480
their spouses,
people who had only the most

448
00:21:42,514 --> 00:21:47,323
remote, tangential
relationship to anything in
the case

449
00:21:47,356 --> 00:21:50,797
but who Pellicano
apparently believed

450
00:21:50,831 --> 00:21:52,333
he could use information on

451
00:21:52,366 --> 00:21:54,839
if he were to uncover
something to leverage.

452
00:22:19,053 --> 00:22:20,924
DANIEL: There were cases

453
00:22:20,957 --> 00:22:23,663
where Mark Arneson,
who was being paid

454
00:22:23,696 --> 00:22:27,103
by the citizens of
Los Angeles to protect them,

455
00:22:27,136 --> 00:22:30,109
was actually feeding
information to Pellicano,

456
00:22:30,142 --> 00:22:31,812
who was representing
the defendants

457
00:22:31,846 --> 00:22:33,550
in those criminal cases.

458
00:22:33,583 --> 00:22:37,456
We identified, I think, 2,500
unauthorized computer runs

459
00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:39,862
that Arneson
did during that time.

460
00:22:39,895 --> 00:22:45,640
It's hard to explain
just how corrupt that is.

461
00:22:47,644 --> 00:22:49,615
- Oh.

462
00:22:51,484 --> 00:22:53,488
LINDA DOUCETT: Kevin Nealon,
Linda Nealon,

463
00:22:53,523 --> 00:22:56,696
Linda--me, Doucett,
Gavin de Becker.

464
00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:01,071
- Uh...friends of Garry's.

465
00:23:01,104 --> 00:23:04,143
They were friends of ours.

466
00:23:04,177 --> 00:23:08,118
Garry's security advisor and
Uh, Gavin de Becker was
friend.

467
00:23:08,151 --> 00:23:11,592
I guess this is Pellicano's
work I'm looking at.

468
00:23:11,626 --> 00:23:12,861
Correct?

469
00:23:12,895 --> 00:23:14,932
- Yeah. Wow.

470
00:23:17,971 --> 00:23:21,879
In 2003, I'm living
outside of Los Angeles

471
00:23:21,913 --> 00:23:24,852
on a small ranch
with my son.

472
00:23:24,885 --> 00:23:27,791
I was contacted by the FBI.

473
00:23:27,824 --> 00:23:31,064
They interviewed me about
Brad Grey,

474
00:23:31,097 --> 00:23:35,540
telling me that there was
an investigation going on

475
00:23:35,573 --> 00:23:39,615
and wanted to know
how much I was aware of.

476
00:23:39,648 --> 00:23:41,886
[uneasy music]

477
00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:44,858
Later on in the afternoon,
I got a phone call from

478
00:23:44,892 --> 00:23:48,131
a very scary-sounding man,
very threatening,

479
00:23:48,165 --> 00:23:51,973
saying if you keep talking
to your friend Stan--

480
00:23:52,006 --> 00:23:55,647
and that would have been the
FBI person, Stan Ornellas--

481
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,688
or the press, your son won't
be attending Saint Jean's,

482
00:23:59,722 --> 00:24:02,460
and you won't be
seeing him again.

483
00:24:02,494 --> 00:24:05,734
I remember feeling helpless.

484
00:24:05,767 --> 00:24:10,242
I just wanted to run away,
and I didn't know where to go.

485
00:24:10,275 --> 00:24:13,616
- The only thing I did
with Linda Doucett was got--

486
00:24:13,650 --> 00:24:16,154
got her home address
for Bert Fields.

487
00:24:16,187 --> 00:24:17,724
That's it.

488
00:24:17,758 --> 00:24:20,964
Would I ever, ever,
tell a mother

489
00:24:20,997 --> 00:24:24,070
that I'm gonna
harm their child?

490
00:24:24,103 --> 00:24:27,811
Not a fucking chance
would that ever happen.

491
00:24:27,844 --> 00:24:30,917
[moody music]

492
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:37,964
♪ ♪

493
00:24:44,945 --> 00:24:46,949
- There was another
incident that happened,

494
00:24:46,982 --> 00:24:50,824
and I was attacked,
physically.

495
00:24:55,265 --> 00:24:57,637
And it was after that
that I, um...

496
00:25:02,246 --> 00:25:05,687
I couldn't, um, function.

497
00:25:06,388 --> 00:25:09,293
<i>I told them at</i>
the office
<i>I had a concussion</i>

498
00:25:09,327 --> 00:25:12,033
and that I got hit
in the head.

499
00:25:12,066 --> 00:25:13,736
It was really bad.

500
00:25:13,770 --> 00:25:15,305
♪ ♪

501
00:25:15,339 --> 00:25:18,813
I asked someone to stay with
me because I was so scared.

502
00:25:20,717 --> 00:25:22,954
I wanted to die.

503
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:26,094
I wanted to die.

504
00:25:26,127 --> 00:25:29,167
I didn't know
what I had done wrong.

505
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,572
I don't know
what I had done wrong.

506
00:25:31,605 --> 00:25:33,543
It didn't make any sense
to me.

507
00:25:37,851 --> 00:25:38,886
- No.

508
00:25:42,326 --> 00:25:44,030
I never did.

509
00:25:54,117 --> 00:25:56,789
- I was scared...

510
00:25:56,822 --> 00:25:59,127
really, really scared.

511
00:26:00,630 --> 00:26:03,235
He said if I reported it,
they would know.

512
00:26:03,268 --> 00:26:06,809
And if I didn't stop
helping the cops,

513
00:26:06,842 --> 00:26:09,213
we are going to
come back and, um,

514
00:26:09,247 --> 00:26:12,019
kill you or harm your family.

515
00:26:12,052 --> 00:26:15,627
The only thing that I have
been talking to the police
about

516
00:26:15,660 --> 00:26:18,098
was the threat on my life.

517
00:26:18,131 --> 00:26:22,808
So the only face of this
was Anthony Pellicano's.

518
00:26:24,076 --> 00:26:26,181
I didn't know what else
to think about that.

519
00:26:30,790 --> 00:26:32,193
- No, none.

520
00:26:32,226 --> 00:26:34,097
And I don't think it happened.

521
00:26:36,869 --> 00:26:41,745
I don't--in my-in my...
view of things,

522
00:26:41,779 --> 00:26:44,283
along with everything
that I learned from the trial

523
00:26:44,317 --> 00:26:46,689
and from FBI agents and
everything else in the world,

524
00:26:46,722 --> 00:26:48,726
I don't know anybody
in the world

525
00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:50,195
that would wanna do that
to her.

526
00:26:52,366 --> 00:26:54,337
Did she bring this
to the attention

527
00:26:54,370 --> 00:26:57,109
of her family and friends?

528
00:27:11,304 --> 00:27:15,847
- I didn't want the
attention off the, uh, case.

529
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,255
I didn't want my dad to know
or my mom to know.

530
00:27:20,289 --> 00:27:21,926
It would kill them.

531
00:27:24,263 --> 00:27:26,000
They were already
worried enough.

532
00:27:26,034 --> 00:27:27,369
[sniffles]

533
00:27:34,417 --> 00:27:35,887
REPORTER: All right, Katie.
Thanks.

534
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,956
Some people in Hollywood
might be a little bit

535
00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:38,158
nervous this morning.

536
00:27:38,191 --> 00:27:39,862
A private investigator
to the stars

537
00:27:39,895 --> 00:27:42,333
is expected to begin serving
a prison sentence today.

538
00:27:42,366 --> 00:27:44,437
His saga could have
more twists and turns

539
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:46,374
than any Hollywood
cliffhanger.

540
00:27:47,209 --> 00:27:49,146
<i>PERS</i>
ON: Pellicano pled
<i>guilty in connection</i>

541
00:27:49,180 --> 00:27:51,117
to the explosives that
were found in his safe,

542
00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:53,321
and he was ultimately
sentenced

543
00:27:53,355 --> 00:27:55,058
to 30 months in prison.

544
00:27:55,092 --> 00:27:56,695
While he was in prison,

545
00:27:56,729 --> 00:27:59,868
there was this simultaneous
investigation going on

546
00:27:59,902 --> 00:28:02,974
into the wiretapping
or other illegal behavior.

547
00:28:09,453 --> 00:28:11,391
DANIEL: Alex Proctor
had fingered Steven Seagal

548
00:28:11,424 --> 00:28:13,395
as the Pellicano client
behind the threat

549
00:28:13,428 --> 00:28:14,831
against Anita Busch.

550
00:28:14,865 --> 00:28:17,704
But when we started
looking into Pellicano's

551
00:28:17,737 --> 00:28:20,108
investigation of Ms. Busch,

552
00:28:20,142 --> 00:28:21,812
that didn't seem
to make sense.

553
00:28:21,845 --> 00:28:24,150
Among other things,
Mark Arnesen,

554
00:28:24,183 --> 00:28:25,753
at the beginning of
the investigation,

555
00:28:25,787 --> 00:28:27,289
did all of his computer
runs on Anita Busch,

556
00:28:27,323 --> 00:28:30,830
just like he did for every
other Pellicano target.

557
00:28:30,863 --> 00:28:33,301
But at the same time as he ran
information on Anita Busch,

558
00:28:33,335 --> 00:28:35,472
he was also running the name
of Bernard Weinraub...

559
00:28:36,642 --> 00:28:40,482
<i>Who was another reporter</i>
<i>who worked with Ms. Busch</i>

560
00:28:40,516 --> 00:28:43,723
on a series of articles
about Michael Ovitz.

561
00:28:45,259 --> 00:28:49,066
Michael Ovitz--uh,
what did he, head Disney?

562
00:29:15,118 --> 00:29:17,222
NED ZEMAN: Michael Ovitz
was far and away

563
00:29:17,256 --> 00:29:19,026
the most powerful man
in Hollywood

564
00:29:19,060 --> 00:29:21,899
during this era and basically
for more than a decade.

565
00:29:21,932 --> 00:29:24,337
He ran Creative Artist Agency,

566
00:29:24,370 --> 00:29:27,911
which was the talent agency
that represented

567
00:29:27,944 --> 00:29:30,449
most of the powerful stars
and directors

568
00:29:30,482 --> 00:29:32,086
and writers in Hollywood.

569
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:33,388
REPORTER:
Michael Ovitz is known as

570
00:29:33,421 --> 00:29:35,225
Hollywood's consummate dealer
and agent

571
00:29:35,258 --> 00:29:38,933
to top stars like Tom Hanks
and Sylvester Stallone.

572
00:29:38,966 --> 00:29:43,375
NED: He had left CAA
in a sort of bitter split.

573
00:29:43,408 --> 00:29:45,847
Then he'd fallen out at Disney
with Michael Eisner

574
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,919
in a very public, ugly way.

575
00:29:48,953 --> 00:29:51,357
REPORTER: Former talent agent
Ovitz ruffled feathers

576
00:29:51,391 --> 00:29:53,395
among department heads

577
00:29:53,428 --> 00:29:56,134
and clashed with Eisner's
desire to control the agenda.

578
00:29:56,167 --> 00:29:57,537
ALLISON: And then he went and

579
00:29:57,570 --> 00:29:59,040
opened up a talent agency.

580
00:29:59,073 --> 00:30:00,543
And his talent agency

581
00:30:00,576 --> 00:30:02,847
was somewhat in competition

582
00:30:02,881 --> 00:30:04,584
with the Creative
Artist Agency.

583
00:30:04,618 --> 00:30:06,421
And there was bad
blood between them.

584
00:30:08,325 --> 00:30:11,130
NED: Mike Ovitz
was getting bad press.

585
00:30:11,164 --> 00:30:12,867
The town was kind of
rooting against him.

586
00:30:12,901 --> 00:30:15,072
And I think it was very clear

587
00:30:15,105 --> 00:30:17,309
that they sensed
that he was vulnerable.

588
00:30:17,343 --> 00:30:18,879
And I think it was also clear

589
00:30:18,913 --> 00:30:21,217
that he sensed
that he was vulnerable.

590
00:30:21,250 --> 00:30:23,556
ALLISON: Anita Busch
and Bernie Weinraub

591
00:30:23,589 --> 00:30:26,094
were working on
a series of articles

592
00:30:26,127 --> 00:30:28,465
about Ovitz's business
and how it was doing.

593
00:30:28,499 --> 00:30:31,805
And, uh, they weren't
pulling any punches.

594
00:30:44,330 --> 00:30:46,267
DANIEL: Arneson,
Pellicano's source,

595
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:48,304
had run
Bernard Weinraub's name

596
00:30:48,338 --> 00:30:50,308
at the same time as
he had run Anita Busch's,

597
00:30:50,342 --> 00:30:53,415
and that led the FBI to
believe the real client

598
00:30:53,448 --> 00:30:55,452
behind the threat
against Anita Busch

599
00:30:55,485 --> 00:30:57,957
was Michael Ovitz
and not Steven Seagal.

600
00:30:59,026 --> 00:31:01,632
<i>TO</i>
M: Well, when we sit down
<i>and talk to Michael Ovitz,</i>

601
00:31:01,665 --> 00:31:03,502
we're not just talking
to Michael Ovitz.

602
00:31:03,536 --> 00:31:08,078
He's got a cadre of
well-heeled attorneys.

603
00:31:08,111 --> 00:31:11,017
Ovitz freely admits
that he is concerned

604
00:31:11,050 --> 00:31:13,121
about negative press.

605
00:31:14,123 --> 00:31:16,461
DANIEL: He admitted
<i>that he had hired Pellicano</i>

606
00:31:16,495 --> 00:31:19,266
to investigate both Anita
Busch and Bernard Weinraub.

607
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:23,141
TOM: But Ovitz denies
being behind any threat.

608
00:31:23,174 --> 00:31:26,347
In fact, he identifies Anita
as a "friend" of his.

609
00:31:28,184 --> 00:31:31,257
To his mind,
how could this be possible?

610
00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:32,894
She's my friend.

611
00:31:32,927 --> 00:31:37,537
We were unable to come up with
anything substantial

612
00:31:37,570 --> 00:31:39,306
to refute that denial.

613
00:31:41,645 --> 00:31:43,949
DANIEL: In this case, there
just wasn't that evidence,

614
00:31:43,983 --> 00:31:45,352
and there certainly
was no evidence

615
00:31:45,385 --> 00:31:47,456
beyond a reasonable doubt
that Michael Ovitz

616
00:31:47,489 --> 00:31:50,328
was aware
of the specific threat

617
00:31:50,362 --> 00:31:52,667
that was perpetrated
against Anita Busch.

618
00:32:08,131 --> 00:32:12,941
As we do with most defendants
in large scale cases,

619
00:32:12,974 --> 00:32:14,578
there are offers made.

620
00:32:14,611 --> 00:32:17,216
Do you want to be a witness,
or do you want to be a
defendant?

621
00:32:17,249 --> 00:32:19,086
There's no way Pellicano
would have gotten immunity

622
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,190
or anything like that,
but certainly,

623
00:32:21,224 --> 00:32:23,662
if he had agreed
to provide information

624
00:32:23,696 --> 00:32:25,566
about his clients, you know,

625
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,704
he could have gotten himself
some benefit for that.

626
00:32:27,737 --> 00:32:30,543
[punchy music]

627
00:32:30,576 --> 00:32:32,379
TOM: So we actually sit
down with Pellicano.

628
00:32:32,412 --> 00:32:35,485
He's been convicted of
the explosives charge.

629
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,622
He's in his prison uniform.

630
00:32:36,655 --> 00:32:39,260
I believe
it was a gray jumpsuit.

631
00:32:39,293 --> 00:32:42,600
Our hope was that
he would finally decide

632
00:32:42,634 --> 00:32:45,706
that he was going to
lay out the entire case.

633
00:32:45,740 --> 00:32:47,176
We know you were doing this

634
00:32:47,209 --> 00:32:50,048
on behalf of clients
and attorneys.

635
00:32:50,081 --> 00:32:52,587
A normal person at his age

636
00:32:52,620 --> 00:32:54,490
would be trying to get
out of jail.

637
00:32:54,524 --> 00:32:57,597
[light chords]

638
00:32:57,630 --> 00:32:59,033
♪ ♪

639
00:32:59,066 --> 00:33:02,039
Will he consider
cooperating at this point?

640
00:33:03,041 --> 00:33:06,515
An
d, uh, he looked at us
and says, "I'm a sin eater.

641
00:33:07,382 --> 00:33:10,590
<i>"I take the sins of others</i>
<i>onto myself,</i>

642
00:33:10,623 --> 00:33:12,459
"and that's what
they pay me for,

643
00:33:12,494 --> 00:33:14,531
and I'm not going to
cooperate."

644
00:33:15,365 --> 00:33:19,306
- I-I hope
this doesn't
sound egotistical at all,

645
00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:20,743
but I have to tell you

646
00:33:20,776 --> 00:33:24,483
that most people would have
done just the opposite.

647
00:33:24,518 --> 00:33:26,622
They would have done
anything they could

648
00:33:26,655 --> 00:33:28,391
to get themselves
out of jeopardy.

649
00:33:28,424 --> 00:33:31,097
And I refused to do that.

650
00:33:31,130 --> 00:33:34,270
♪ ♪

651
00:33:39,514 --> 00:33:40,448
ANCHOR: Tinseltown is buzzing

652
00:33:40,482 --> 00:33:44,089
<i>with revelations</i>
<i>of spying and wiretaps.</i>

653
00:33:44,123 --> 00:33:46,795
- When we realized
that this was going to be

654
00:33:46,828 --> 00:33:50,035
a bigger case
than one AUSA could handle...

655
00:33:51,170 --> 00:33:54,276
<i>Kevin was put on the case,</i>
<i>and we stayed together on it</i>

656
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:55,713
for the next eight or nine
years.

657
00:33:55,746 --> 00:33:59,086
- To get on a large-scale
organized crime case--

658
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:02,359
like, that's something I had
been dreaming of for years.

659
00:34:02,392 --> 00:34:04,163
The FBI were able to

660
00:34:04,196 --> 00:34:06,367
circumvent
the encryption program.

661
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,208
So as a result of that, we
were able to get a sizable
number

662
00:34:10,242 --> 00:34:11,745
of recordings.

663
00:34:12,814 --> 00:34:14,751
LIZ:
I think people expected it

664
00:34:14,784 --> 00:34:16,722
to be the actual wiretap
calls...

665
00:34:18,692 --> 00:34:20,830
But instead, supposedly,

666
00:34:20,863 --> 00:34:23,702
Pellicano kept
those recordings offsite,

667
00:34:23,736 --> 00:34:26,073
so they were never
seized by the government.

668
00:34:31,752 --> 00:34:33,454
- Come on. Spit it out.
- Well, I--

669
00:34:33,488 --> 00:34:35,493
happened to the recordings?
- You're saying what

670
00:34:35,526 --> 00:34:37,129
- Well, I secreted them.

671
00:34:37,162 --> 00:34:40,201
They're in, you know,
secreted away.

672
00:34:43,642 --> 00:34:46,113
- It means they weren't
in my office.

673
00:34:49,921 --> 00:34:52,660
- [laughs] They're gone.

674
00:34:52,694 --> 00:34:55,231
You'll never see them.
Nobody'll ever see them.

675
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:58,237
- What they ended up
with was recordings

676
00:34:58,271 --> 00:35:00,810
of Pellicano talking to
other people

677
00:35:00,843 --> 00:35:02,780
on Pellicano's
own phone calls.

678
00:35:07,657 --> 00:35:09,360
- Because I couldn't
remember everything.

679
00:35:09,393 --> 00:35:11,531
You know, I was
very bad note taker.

680
00:35:11,565 --> 00:35:13,502
If I--the reason for doing it

681
00:35:13,535 --> 00:35:16,508
is to record what was
being said so I would have--

682
00:35:16,541 --> 00:35:18,679
I would have, you know,
an idea of what I needed

683
00:35:18,712 --> 00:35:20,448
to do in a particular case.

684
00:35:20,482 --> 00:35:23,388
I would record it and then
go back in and listen to it.

685
00:35:23,421 --> 00:35:25,926
DANIEL: Those recorded
conversations

686
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,666
ranged from the completely
mundane call

687
00:35:28,699 --> 00:35:32,272
to 411 for the phone number
for Circuit City.

688
00:35:33,174 --> 00:35:35,846
<i>ANTHONY: Num</i>
ber for Circuit
<i>City in Westwood, please.</i>

689
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,552
- Who knows why he
chose to record those.

690
00:35:39,621 --> 00:35:42,727
- So
metimes I fucking forgot
and left the recorder running,

691
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,800
so recorded a bunch of calls,
okay?

692
00:35:45,833 --> 00:35:49,306
- But they also included much
more incriminating calls,

693
00:35:49,340 --> 00:35:51,745
calls that he was
having with clients.

694
00:35:51,778 --> 00:35:55,452
JOHN: Basically, I sort of
would like to know what, um,

695
00:35:55,485 --> 00:35:56,588
he's saying to the studio.

696
00:36:10,382 --> 00:36:13,488
DANIEL: Those recordings
that Pellicano himself made

697
00:36:13,522 --> 00:36:15,593
of his own criminal activities

698
00:36:15,626 --> 00:36:17,830
ended up being the most
important evidence

699
00:36:17,864 --> 00:36:19,199
that we had in the case.

700
00:36:19,233 --> 00:36:21,905
[phone dialing]

701
00:36:21,938 --> 00:36:23,542
[line ringing]

702
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:41,477
- In 2000, I got a call
from a producer,

703
00:36:41,511 --> 00:36:44,751
a guy named Bo Zenga,
and he had a case

704
00:36:44,784 --> 00:36:47,657
that he wanted
to bring against Brad Grey.

705
00:36:47,690 --> 00:36:51,230
And the basic dispute
was about a motion picture

706
00:36:51,263 --> 00:36:53,367
that they'd
partnered to produce.

707
00:36:53,401 --> 00:36:55,906
It was known as "Scary Movie."

708
00:36:58,044 --> 00:37:00,549
When they were putting
the deals together,

709
00:37:00,583 --> 00:37:03,555
Brad Grey decided to cut my
client out of the partnership.

710
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:06,026
And so he wanted
to file a lawsuit.

711
00:37:06,060 --> 00:37:07,497
[phone rings]

712
00:37:13,642 --> 00:37:17,249
GREG: Representing Brad Grey
was Bert Fields,

713
00:37:17,282 --> 00:37:19,754
assisted by his partner
Chuck Shephard,

714
00:37:19,788 --> 00:37:23,327
and then a senior associate,
David Moriarty.

715
00:37:31,845 --> 00:37:34,984
GREG: After I took
Brad Grey's deposition,

716
00:37:35,018 --> 00:37:38,291
we started hearing
Pellicano's name.

717
00:37:39,527 --> 00:37:42,265
We had a series of
things where, well,

718
00:37:42,299 --> 00:37:44,637
let's go talk to so-and-so
witness.

719
00:37:44,671 --> 00:37:46,775
And we'd get a hold of them,

720
00:37:46,808 --> 00:37:48,411
and Pellicano
had already been there.

721
00:37:48,444 --> 00:37:50,916
AGENT: How many conversations
would you estimate

722
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:53,522
you listened to
for that investigation?

723
00:37:53,555 --> 00:37:55,659
- Probably about 500 or more.

724
00:37:55,693 --> 00:37:58,732
GREG: It seemed as if
everything

725
00:37:58,765 --> 00:38:01,538
that was on our side of the
table, whatever it was,

726
00:38:01,571 --> 00:38:03,709
was known to the other side.

727
00:38:14,898 --> 00:38:16,735
GREG: And then the judge ruled

728
00:38:16,768 --> 00:38:18,739
that we didn't have
enough evidence

729
00:38:18,772 --> 00:38:21,010
to prove a partnership.

730
00:38:21,043 --> 00:38:23,314
That was the end of our case.

731
00:38:25,986 --> 00:38:28,324
Several years go by.

732
00:38:29,727 --> 00:38:30,896
I get a call one day

733
00:38:30,930 --> 00:38:34,571
from an Assistant
United States Attorney.

734
00:38:34,604 --> 00:38:36,575
I went down to their office.

735
00:38:36,608 --> 00:38:38,477
They took me to
a conference room.

736
00:38:38,512 --> 00:38:40,649
They handed me this
brown manila envelope,

737
00:38:40,683 --> 00:38:41,918
and they left.

738
00:38:41,952 --> 00:38:44,524
And I opened it up,
and I pulled out

739
00:38:44,557 --> 00:38:47,830
typed notes or transcripts
of conversations

740
00:38:47,864 --> 00:38:51,070
between myself and my client.

741
00:38:56,013 --> 00:38:57,015
- Mm.

742
00:39:00,421 --> 00:39:02,760
[sighs] Yeah, this is it.

743
00:39:03,695 --> 00:39:07,402
Only private reading notes.

744
00:39:07,435 --> 00:39:10,676
cases were very convoluted
- Sometimes, because the

745
00:39:10,709 --> 00:39:13,682
and there were numerous people
involved in these cases,

746
00:39:13,715 --> 00:39:15,819
in order for me to
keep a better track,

747
00:39:15,853 --> 00:39:17,690
I did a file summary.

748
00:39:17,723 --> 00:39:23,802
AGENT: Summaries of the
content of wiretapped
conversations?

749
00:39:23,835 --> 00:39:25,071
- Correct.

750
00:39:25,104 --> 00:39:31,050
- This document
was someone taking notes...

751
00:39:32,185 --> 00:39:36,093
from recorded conversations

752
00:39:36,126 --> 00:39:38,565
involving Bo Zenga, my client,

753
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:42,540
his conversations with me
and with other people.

754
00:39:43,742 --> 00:39:48,785
"Regarding the second look
deal, Greg says that everyone

755
00:39:48,819 --> 00:39:51,791
"that sees this is
going to say that Brad Grey

756
00:39:51,825 --> 00:39:54,864
is a fucking criminal
and should be locked up."

757
00:39:56,701 --> 00:39:58,639
I definitely said that.

758
00:40:00,208 --> 00:40:02,914
DOUGLAS JOHNSON: If you're
a lawyer on the other side

759
00:40:02,947 --> 00:40:05,418
of a case and you can
listen to the conversations

760
00:40:05,451 --> 00:40:07,924
between your opponents
and their lawyers--

761
00:40:07,957 --> 00:40:10,128
I mean, you can win
almost every single case.

762
00:40:10,161 --> 00:40:11,865
You would know what
their strategy is.

763
00:40:11,898 --> 00:40:14,871
You would know what
they're going to settle for.

764
00:40:14,904 --> 00:40:16,140
- Here's my comments
about settlement.

765
00:40:16,173 --> 00:40:19,012
"Greg says that cases
like this typically get

766
00:40:19,046 --> 00:40:21,885
settled for $3 to $7 million."

767
00:40:21,918 --> 00:40:25,091
- I mean, you'd never overpay
on a case, not even a dime.

768
00:40:34,644 --> 00:40:36,080
REPORTER" The biggest
names in Hollywood

769
00:40:36,113 --> 00:40:38,484
are expecting the worst
tonight as the fallout

770
00:40:38,518 --> 00:40:40,488
from a wiretapping case
has everyone wondering

771
00:40:40,522 --> 00:40:43,495
whose dirty little secrets
will come out next.

772
00:40:43,528 --> 00:40:45,633
DANIEL: The RICO and
wiretapping indictment

773
00:40:45,666 --> 00:40:47,570
against
the Pellicano enterprise

774
00:40:47,603 --> 00:40:51,110
was unsealed and went
public in early 2006.

775
00:40:54,049 --> 00:40:55,719
GEORGE CARDONA: On February 1,

776
00:40:55,753 --> 00:40:58,792
a federal grand jury
returned under seal

777
00:40:58,825 --> 00:41:00,863
an indictment
against well-known

778
00:41:00,896 --> 00:41:03,769
private investigator
Anthony Pellicano

779
00:41:03,802 --> 00:41:05,906
and six other defendants.

780
00:41:05,939 --> 00:41:08,912
LIZ: Pellicano gets
indicted with

781
00:41:08,945 --> 00:41:11,016
people who worked in his
criminal enterprise,

782
00:41:11,050 --> 00:41:15,191
police officers, telephone
employees, and a few clients.

783
00:41:15,224 --> 00:41:17,195
ANCHOR: "Die Hard" director
John McTiernan

784
00:41:17,228 --> 00:41:20,536
has been charged with lying to
the feds about his involvement

785
00:41:20,569 --> 00:41:21,871
with Pellicano.

786
00:41:21,905 --> 00:41:23,742
REPORTER: Late today,
the grand jury handed up

787
00:41:23,775 --> 00:41:25,646
another indictment,
this one against

788
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:27,683
entertainment attorney
Terry Christensen.

789
00:41:27,717 --> 00:41:30,522
He's accused of hiring
Pellicano to eavesdrop

790
00:41:30,556 --> 00:41:32,793
on the former wife
of billionaire investor

791
00:41:32,827 --> 00:41:36,801
Kirk Kerkorian during a child
support dispute in 2002.

792
00:41:36,835 --> 00:41:39,674
DANIEL: There was a huge
flurry of media coverage

793
00:41:39,707 --> 00:41:42,646
and reporting speculation
about what was to come

794
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,684
and whether additional
defendants would be added.

795
00:41:44,717 --> 00:41:46,821
ANCHOR: Some have testified
before the grand jury,

796
00:41:46,855 --> 00:41:50,194
including one-time
super agent Michael Ovitz.

797
00:41:50,228 --> 00:41:52,700
ANCHOR: Powerhouse Hollywood
attorney Bert Fields

798
00:41:52,733 --> 00:41:54,236
used Pellicano extensively.

799
00:41:54,269 --> 00:41:56,808
He hasn't been indicted,
but he said he was

800
00:41:56,841 --> 00:41:58,177
brought in for questioning.

801
00:41:58,210 --> 00:41:59,647
ANCHOR: And others
still in the spotlight

802
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,116
for hiring Pellicano,

803
00:42:01,150 --> 00:42:03,822
like Paramount Pictures
chairman Brad Grey.

804
00:42:03,855 --> 00:42:05,224
ANCHOR: I think what
we're seeing

805
00:42:05,258 --> 00:42:09,066
hitting Hollywood officially
is the Pellicano virus.

806
00:42:09,099 --> 00:42:10,769
And at this point,
it seems like anybody

807
00:42:10,803 --> 00:42:12,940
may be susceptible.

808
00:42:22,158 --> 00:42:24,229
Tonight we take you inside

809
00:42:24,262 --> 00:42:25,999
an incredible courtroom
drama,

810
00:42:26,033 --> 00:42:28,972
an LA story that's airing
some of Hollywood's

811
00:42:29,005 --> 00:42:30,843
dirtiest laundry.

812
00:42:30,876 --> 00:42:32,145
ANCHOR: It involves
a private eye who's

813
00:42:32,178 --> 00:42:34,349
accused of spying
on some of the biggest

814
00:42:34,382 --> 00:42:36,253
names in show business.

815
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:43,969
- It was electric.

816
00:42:46,140 --> 00:42:49,079
We've been building up
to this day for years.

817
00:42:49,112 --> 00:42:53,889
The entire courtroom
was packed.

818
00:42:53,922 --> 00:42:55,826
DANIEL: The trial ran
as a very tight,

819
00:42:55,859 --> 00:42:57,596
very professional jury trial

820
00:42:57,630 --> 00:42:59,734
with one of the
more unique aspects

821
00:42:59,767 --> 00:43:02,673
being that Anthony Pellicano
chose to represent himself.

822
00:43:03,608 --> 00:43:06,180
- It just added a whole
new twisted circus

823
00:43:06,213 --> 00:43:07,616
to this whole thing.

824
00:43:09,821 --> 00:43:11,891
- Because nobody knew
the case better than me,

825
00:43:11,925 --> 00:43:14,262
and why give a lawyer,
number one,

826
00:43:14,296 --> 00:43:17,135
you know, money
for the inevitable?

827
00:43:17,168 --> 00:43:19,272
At the end of the day,
I was going to go to prison,

828
00:43:19,306 --> 00:43:21,210
and I handled it myself.

829
00:43:21,678 --> 00:43:24,182
<i>DANIEL: We started the tri</i>
al
<i>with a recording</i>

830
00:43:24,216 --> 00:43:26,721
of Pellicano talking to
a potential client.

831
00:43:26,754 --> 00:43:28,692
It was Matt Williams,
baseball player.

832
00:43:32,098 --> 00:43:34,804
DANIEL: Williams never ended
up hiring him to wiretap,

833
00:43:34,837 --> 00:43:37,275
but Pellicano was
offering his services.

834
00:43:53,909 --> 00:43:55,913
ANTHONY: Well, I'm going
to listen to things

835
00:43:55,946 --> 00:43:57,282
that she's talking about.

836
00:43:57,315 --> 00:43:58,819
- I'm going to
listen to her calls.

837
00:43:58,852 --> 00:44:00,789
I'm going to know what
she's talking about.

838
00:44:07,402 --> 00:44:09,105
- In my opening,
I said Pellicano

839
00:44:09,139 --> 00:44:11,845
was the single biggest
informant in the case

840
00:44:11,878 --> 00:44:13,782
because by recording
his calls...

841
00:44:13,815 --> 00:44:14,984
PERSON: May I ask
who's calling?

842
00:44:15,017 --> 00:44:16,320
ANTHONY: Anthony.
PERSON: May I ask

843
00:44:16,353 --> 00:44:17,723
who's calling?
ANTHONY: Anthony.

844
00:44:17,756 --> 00:44:19,125
It's Anthony.
It's Anthony Pellicano.

845
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:21,698
- We were able to show
his direct involvement

846
00:44:21,731 --> 00:44:23,200
in that criminal conduct.

847
00:44:23,234 --> 00:44:25,973
ALLISON: I blogged about the
Pellicano trial every day.

848
00:44:26,006 --> 00:44:28,043
I wrote, "Pellicano's
trial defense strategy

849
00:44:28,077 --> 00:44:30,716
"is to slowly torture
the prosecution to death

850
00:44:30,749 --> 00:44:32,820
"with his prolonged
cross-examination

851
00:44:32,853 --> 00:44:34,824
of even the most
insignificant witnesses."

852
00:44:34,857 --> 00:44:39,266
He pretended--it was sort
of like TV cross-examination,

853
00:44:39,299 --> 00:44:41,971
that he had scored a point
when he hadn't and walked back

854
00:44:42,005 --> 00:44:45,144
to his seat with,
like, a jaunty swagger.

855
00:44:45,177 --> 00:44:47,148
- Anthony had
several defenses that

856
00:44:47,181 --> 00:44:49,720
weren't necessarily defenses.

857
00:44:49,754 --> 00:44:52,726
With respect
to the acquisition

858
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,198
of confidential information,

859
00:44:55,231 --> 00:44:59,072
his defense was
"Is that really so bad?"

860
00:44:59,105 --> 00:45:01,410
And with respect
to wiretapping,

861
00:45:01,443 --> 00:45:03,848
he claimed that the
wiretapping program was

862
00:45:03,882 --> 00:45:05,819
for legitimate purposes
and that our evidence

863
00:45:05,852 --> 00:45:10,729
insufficient to convict him of
of wiretapping was
wiretapping.

864
00:45:12,398 --> 00:45:16,039
PERSON: Pellicano's buffoonery
really became a distraction

865
00:45:16,073 --> 00:45:17,408
from the seriousness
of the allegations

866
00:45:17,442 --> 00:45:19,379
against him, from the
seriousness of what

867
00:45:19,412 --> 00:45:21,049
the victims had been through.

868
00:45:21,083 --> 00:45:23,989
And not only that, but he
was allowed to question

869
00:45:24,022 --> 00:45:25,892
these victims directly.

870
00:45:28,063 --> 00:45:31,403
DOUGLAS: We represented the
victims of Anthony Pellicano.

871
00:45:31,436 --> 00:45:33,107
Some of them,
I remember telling me,

872
00:45:33,140 --> 00:45:35,011
I don't know how many
people have heard my call.

873
00:45:35,044 --> 00:45:36,113
It messed them up.

874
00:45:36,146 --> 00:45:37,783
I know we had
a couple of clients

875
00:45:37,816 --> 00:45:41,290
who were never really the
same and just became paranoid.

876
00:45:42,125 --> 00:45:47,335
<i>DANIEL: I felt</i>
for the victims
<i>having to really relive</i>

877
00:45:47,368 --> 00:45:49,406
their victimization
and the violations

878
00:45:49,439 --> 00:45:53,047
against them by having the
perpetrator be up there,

879
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,182
questioning them about it

880
00:45:54,215 --> 00:45:57,288
and trying to impugn their
credibility on the stand.

881
00:46:00,495 --> 00:46:06,039
- It was difficult
and emotional.

882
00:46:06,073 --> 00:46:12,452
And...I think I left a lot
of information out

883
00:46:12,485 --> 00:46:16,159
just because of...

884
00:46:16,193 --> 00:46:18,197
being so afraid.

885
00:46:20,134 --> 00:46:24,109
because I didn't want to cause
- Because it was him, and

886
00:46:24,142 --> 00:46:27,382
any more harm to anybody.

887
00:46:27,415 --> 00:46:31,423
And I just wanted it all
to go away and be over.

888
00:46:34,597 --> 00:46:38,170
ANITA: The only thing I had
left was the truth.

889
00:46:38,203 --> 00:46:40,976
I mean, it was the
facts of what happened.

890
00:46:41,009 --> 00:46:43,515
Now I was facing him
in court, and he was

891
00:46:43,548 --> 00:46:46,954
trying to remove the truth.

892
00:46:49,292 --> 00:46:53,267
I remember trying in my
head not to relive stuff,

893
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:55,906
but I kept thinking about
the assault.

894
00:46:59,279 --> 00:47:01,551
And I kept shaking.

895
00:47:01,584 --> 00:47:04,890
I was shaking so much that
they had to stop the trial.

896
00:47:04,924 --> 00:47:09,800
And I remember thinking, God,
just help me be strong again.

897
00:47:15,311 --> 00:47:16,480
- I don't know that
he took pleasure

898
00:47:16,514 --> 00:47:18,985
in revictimizing these people.

899
00:47:19,019 --> 00:47:23,595
I think he took pleasure in
being the center of attention.

900
00:47:26,466 --> 00:47:28,538
JUDE GREEN: The day
I went to testify...

901
00:47:31,410 --> 00:47:32,913
I just stared him down.

902
00:47:32,946 --> 00:47:35,284
I just thought, I can't
wait for him to try

903
00:47:35,317 --> 00:47:37,455
and say one nasty thing to me.

904
00:47:37,488 --> 00:47:39,426
Because I will
just pulverize him.

905
00:47:39,459 --> 00:47:42,031
He was pacing back and forth.

906
00:47:42,065 --> 00:47:46,306
And he's just asking me about
the very thing that he did.

907
00:47:46,339 --> 00:47:48,545
- She got up on the stand
and screamed,

908
00:47:48,578 --> 00:47:51,884
"It was you!"
just like that.

909
00:47:51,918 --> 00:47:54,322
And it wasn't me.
I didn't do anything to her.

910
00:47:54,355 --> 00:47:57,930
The only thing I did is to
do a background check on her

911
00:47:57,963 --> 00:47:59,466
in Aspen, Colorado.

912
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:01,036
That was it.

913
00:48:01,069 --> 00:48:03,140
I never wiretapped her,
never intimidated,

914
00:48:03,173 --> 00:48:06,948
did nothing, no question about
never went after her, never
it.

915
00:48:06,981 --> 00:48:11,289
- And when I was done, I
stepped off the witness stand.

916
00:48:11,323 --> 00:48:14,329
And then I was, like, mobbed.

917
00:48:14,362 --> 00:48:16,433
It was just like, oh, you
gave it to him, finally.

918
00:48:16,466 --> 00:48:20,040
You know, I mean, everyone
was just so excited.

919
00:48:23,213 --> 00:48:24,950
AGENT: How many different
federal court trials

920
00:48:24,984 --> 00:48:26,486
did you testify at?

921
00:48:26,521 --> 00:48:28,357
- Two.

922
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:29,960
DANIEL: Tarita Virtue
was on the stand

923
00:48:29,994 --> 00:48:32,633
for four or five days,
hours and hours

924
00:48:32,666 --> 00:48:34,703
of questioning by Pellicano.

925
00:48:34,737 --> 00:48:36,607
She was visibly shaken by it.

926
00:48:36,641 --> 00:48:39,446
I can't even imagine how
grueling that must have been.

927
00:48:39,479 --> 00:48:42,519
- She was supposedly one
of the stars of the trial,

928
00:48:42,553 --> 00:48:45,191
but all she was doing,
you know, for the most

929
00:48:45,224 --> 00:48:47,095
part is telling the truth.

930
00:48:47,128 --> 00:48:49,199
I told everybody
to tell the truth.

931
00:48:53,373 --> 00:48:55,512
- Oh, yeah.

932
00:48:55,545 --> 00:48:57,215
Employees, yes.

933
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,091
- Not so much.
[laughs]

934
00:49:11,042 --> 00:49:13,013
One of the things that
was really disturbing

935
00:49:13,046 --> 00:49:15,685
was the Ovitz testimony.

936
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,423
He came in
as a government witness.

937
00:49:18,457 --> 00:49:21,429
And the government didn't
really ask him anything

938
00:49:21,463 --> 00:49:23,668
about what he'd been up to.

939
00:49:23,701 --> 00:49:26,406
- The government tried really
hard to get Pellicano to flip,

940
00:49:26,439 --> 00:49:31,383
to reveal what his clients
knew and how far up the chain

941
00:49:31,416 --> 00:49:32,653
it went.

942
00:49:32,686 --> 00:49:35,291
But when Pellicano
refused to do that,

943
00:49:35,324 --> 00:49:36,727
the government called
some of these clients

944
00:49:36,761 --> 00:49:40,034
to testify against Pellicano.

945
00:49:40,067 --> 00:49:41,469
At that point,
they didn't really

946
00:49:41,504 --> 00:49:44,677
seem to answer questions
about what they knew

947
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:47,749
or their own culpability
in this enterprise.

948
00:49:47,783 --> 00:49:49,720
ALLISON: Clearly, it was
because they were

949
00:49:49,753 --> 00:49:51,356
testifying for the government.

950
00:49:51,389 --> 00:49:53,327
And Pellicano wasn't
going to ask them.

951
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,569
- Why in the world
would I betray anybody?

952
00:49:57,603 --> 00:49:59,707
Why would I break my word?

953
00:49:59,740 --> 00:50:01,677
Why would I be disloyal?

954
00:50:01,711 --> 00:50:03,213
Are you fucking crazy?

955
00:50:03,247 --> 00:50:04,717
[voice fading]
I would never do that.

956
00:50:04,750 --> 00:50:06,286
- So why were they there?

957
00:50:08,490 --> 00:50:10,695
DANIEL: Is it possible
that many of these clients

958
00:50:10,729 --> 00:50:13,066
who denied knowledge
of threats and wiretapping

959
00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:14,603
and everything else

960
00:50:14,637 --> 00:50:16,373
really knew what
Pellicano was doing?

961
00:50:16,406 --> 00:50:18,110
Sure, you know?

962
00:50:18,143 --> 00:50:23,253
But my personal opinion of
what is possible or probable

963
00:50:23,287 --> 00:50:25,725
isn't proof beyond
a reasonable doubt.

964
00:50:26,459 --> 00:50:29,199
<i>KEVIN:</i>
With his
<i>highest-profile clients,</i>

965
00:50:29,232 --> 00:50:32,371
Pellicano structured it so
we wouldn't have evidence.

966
00:50:32,405 --> 00:50:34,743
PERSON: Pellicano told us
that he did not

967
00:50:34,777 --> 00:50:37,248
record some of
his most important

968
00:50:37,281 --> 00:50:38,718
or most trusted clients.

969
00:50:38,751 --> 00:50:41,791
LIZ: It was almost luck
that those tapes

970
00:50:41,824 --> 00:50:45,097
still existed and were able to
be seized by the government.

971
00:50:45,130 --> 00:50:48,470
So what other evidence was
out there of other crimes

972
00:50:48,504 --> 00:50:50,374
from Anthony Pellicano
and other people

973
00:50:50,407 --> 00:50:53,781
involved in these crimes
that was never known?

974
00:50:57,288 --> 00:50:58,791
ALLISION:
I think that by the time

975
00:50:58,825 --> 00:51:00,361
the trial was about to end,

976
00:51:00,394 --> 00:51:02,666
it was a foregone conclusion
to everyone but Anthony

977
00:51:02,699 --> 00:51:04,102
that he was about
to get nailed.

978
00:51:07,509 --> 00:51:09,613
ANTHONY: What I expected
was a fair sentence.

979
00:51:09,647 --> 00:51:12,184
I didn't get one.

980
00:51:13,688 --> 00:51:16,527
ANCHOR: Anthony Pellicano
is going to jail for spying

981
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:17,796
on the rich and famous.

982
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:19,500
Yesterday,
Pellicano was sentenced

983
00:51:19,533 --> 00:51:20,702
to 15 years in prison

984
00:51:20,735 --> 00:51:22,839
for running
a wiretapping operation.

985
00:51:22,873 --> 00:51:24,810
- It was an incredibly
satisfying moment,

986
00:51:24,843 --> 00:51:27,381
particularly to get
the sentences that we got.

987
00:51:28,483 --> 00:51:31,323
it should be 150 years.
- I thought

988
00:51:31,356 --> 00:51:33,427
It should have been
life without parole.

989
00:51:33,460 --> 00:51:37,536
- I thought, I'm glad
he's going to prison.

990
00:51:37,569 --> 00:51:40,074
I'm glad that cop
was going to prison.

991
00:51:44,550 --> 00:51:48,658
- The real disappointment
was who wasn't on trial.

992
00:51:51,162 --> 00:51:54,135
And that has remained a
disappointment to this day.

993
00:51:54,168 --> 00:51:56,674
[somber music]

994
00:51:56,707 --> 00:51:59,747
ANITA: There's people that
Pellicano had on speed dial

995
00:51:59,780 --> 00:52:02,552
that I don't think should
be practicing law anymore.

996
00:52:10,869 --> 00:52:13,675
- No, nobody knew for a fact.
Absolutely not, no.

997
00:52:13,708 --> 00:52:17,448
No clients.
No--no attorneys, especially.

998
00:52:17,481 --> 00:52:18,551
No, no.

999
00:52:23,528 --> 00:52:24,763
- Okay.

1000
00:52:24,797 --> 00:52:29,372
You just said the
first stupid thing, okay?

1001
00:52:29,405 --> 00:52:30,575
So you want to edit that out.

1002
00:52:30,608 --> 00:52:32,244
You're not going
to name somebody.

1003
00:52:32,278 --> 00:52:35,217
That is not going to
happen in this interview.

1004
00:52:35,250 --> 00:52:38,858
And you're assuming he knew.
And you're wrong.

1005
00:52:52,251 --> 00:52:54,222
ALLISON: I was surprised
that Bert Fields' law firm,

1006
00:52:54,255 --> 00:52:57,729
Greenberg Glusker,
wasn't held more to account.

1007
00:52:58,498 --> 00:53:01,236
<i>The bulk o</i>
f the cases
<i>were Bert Field cases.</i>

1008
00:53:01,269 --> 00:53:03,508
To me, it seemed like
a very big failure.

1009
00:53:13,326 --> 00:53:15,330
LIZ: Back during
the investigation,

1010
00:53:15,364 --> 00:53:17,602
the FBI had announced that
Bert Fields was a subject

1011
00:53:17,636 --> 00:53:19,205
of their investigation.

1012
00:53:19,238 --> 00:53:21,777
So there are a lot of reasons
why people thought

1013
00:53:21,811 --> 00:53:24,850
that Bert Fields
may be indicted.

1014
00:53:25,451 --> 00:53:28,658
<i>One example is</i>
a
<i>Greenberg Glusker client</i>

1015
00:53:28,691 --> 00:53:32,231
told the FBI that Bert Fields
told him about

1016
00:53:32,264 --> 00:53:34,970
Pellicano's
unorthodox methods.

1017
00:53:35,003 --> 00:53:37,274
He also described working
with David Moriarty,

1018
00:53:37,308 --> 00:53:39,813
one of Bert Fields'
junior associates,

1019
00:53:39,847 --> 00:53:44,690
and described them as having
a wink-wink understanding

1020
00:53:44,723 --> 00:53:46,426
about Pellicano's methods.

1021
00:53:46,459 --> 00:53:47,829
DAVID: Well, I----

1022
00:53:47,863 --> 00:53:49,633
I apologize for not
being in contact.

1023
00:53:50,835 --> 00:53:52,739
ANTHONY: Don't apologize
about anything.

1024
00:54:07,702 --> 00:54:11,309
- They were playing this game
of, don't tell me about it.

1025
00:54:11,342 --> 00:54:13,748
I don't want to know about it.

1026
00:54:13,781 --> 00:54:16,419
But they are very smart
people.

1027
00:54:16,453 --> 00:54:18,991
Their whole life
is about figuring out,

1028
00:54:19,025 --> 00:54:21,897
what do I infer from this?
What does this tell me?

1029
00:54:29,613 --> 00:54:32,586
ALLISON: Back in the mid-'90s,
Anthony Pellicano

1030
00:54:32,619 --> 00:54:36,594
made an application
for his wiretapping device

1031
00:54:36,627 --> 00:54:37,863
to trademark it.

1032
00:54:37,896 --> 00:54:40,869
You know who did that
application for him?

1033
00:54:40,902 --> 00:54:42,839
Bert Fields' firm,
Greenberg Glusker.

1034
00:54:42,873 --> 00:54:45,879
♪ ♪

1035
00:54:45,912 --> 00:54:47,916
So--

1036
00:54:47,949 --> 00:54:49,352
- You have to
understand, I made

1037
00:54:49,385 --> 00:54:51,857
no secret of what I was doing.

1038
00:54:51,891 --> 00:54:53,861
It was wiretapping
software that I was going

1039
00:54:53,895 --> 00:54:55,965
to sell to the
United States government

1040
00:54:55,999 --> 00:54:57,969
and other governments.

1041
00:54:58,003 --> 00:54:58,971
There was no question.

1042
00:54:59,773 --> 00:55:01,009
- No, no.

1043
00:55:01,042 --> 00:55:02,612
Because they knew
I was involved

1044
00:55:02,646 --> 00:55:04,382
in audio surveillance
counter-measures

1045
00:55:04,415 --> 00:55:06,019
and all kinds of other things.

1046
00:55:06,052 --> 00:55:09,726
And by the way, they didn't
need that to be suspicious.

1047
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,632
They had all kinds of other
reasons to be suspicious.

1048
00:55:15,805 --> 00:55:17,509
- Well, because it's always--

1049
00:55:17,542 --> 00:55:20,782
like you said, it was an un--
I mean, a--

1050
00:55:20,815 --> 00:55:22,886
- An open secret
that I did that.

1051
00:55:25,424 --> 00:55:29,800
GREG: In Hollywood
there is this undercurrent

1052
00:55:29,833 --> 00:55:35,377
of not doing things on
the straight and level.

1053
00:55:35,410 --> 00:55:39,686
Corruption
combined with insecurity

1054
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:41,624
combined with big egos--

1055
00:55:41,657 --> 00:55:44,095
it was a culture
that this was fine

1056
00:55:44,128 --> 00:55:46,032
and this would be
extra source of power

1057
00:55:46,065 --> 00:55:47,936
for the people in Hollywood.

1058
00:55:47,969 --> 00:55:51,042
And so the exposing of
this had some impact.

1059
00:55:51,075 --> 00:55:55,417
But ultimately,
it didn't bring down

1060
00:55:55,450 --> 00:55:58,524
the biggest power players.

1061
00:56:21,737 --> 00:56:24,977
[quiet music]

1062
00:56:25,010 --> 00:56:30,053
♪ ♪

1063
00:56:32,892 --> 00:56:35,698
- I'm not going to comment
on my personal views

1064
00:56:35,732 --> 00:56:37,569
of whether there
was enough evidence

1065
00:56:37,602 --> 00:56:39,539
for anybody
who wasn't charged.

1066
00:56:41,476 --> 00:56:43,714
Ultimately, I was one voice
in that decision.

1067
00:56:43,748 --> 00:56:46,085
But that's not an
exoneration by any means.

1068
00:56:50,995 --> 00:56:52,899
PERSON: We didn't get a chance
to interview Bert Fields

1069
00:56:52,933 --> 00:56:55,003
because he actually
died the day

1070
00:56:55,037 --> 00:56:57,408
that we interviewed Pellicano
for this documentary.

1071
00:56:58,443 --> 00:57:01,482
- I
think it's worth noting
that Bert Fields had written

1072
00:57:01,517 --> 00:57:05,490
two novels under a pen name
featuring a dashing lawyer

1073
00:57:05,525 --> 00:57:07,896
who resembles himself
and a private investigator

1074
00:57:07,929 --> 00:57:09,967
who resembles
Anthony Pellicano.

1075
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,037
And this private
investigator mysteriously

1076
00:57:12,071 --> 00:57:15,477
knows the contents of other
people's phone conversations

1077
00:57:15,511 --> 00:57:18,918
and says,
"Don't ask me how I know.

1078
00:57:18,951 --> 00:57:20,454
You don't want to know."

1079
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,684
- It was distressing,
disgusting.

1080
00:57:51,717 --> 00:57:55,792
And I came into a country
that's no longer patriotic,

1081
00:57:55,825 --> 00:57:57,662
a bunch of wimps
and tattletales.

1082
00:57:57,696 --> 00:57:59,933
It's too much
crybaby shit for me.

1083
00:58:00,668 --> 00:58:02,639
<i>PERSON: Ev</i>
en though Pellicano
<i>doesn't have</i>

1084
00:58:02,672 --> 00:58:04,810
a PI license anymore,
that doesn't seem to have

1085
00:58:04,843 --> 00:58:07,081
stopped him
from working as a fixer

1086
00:58:07,114 --> 00:58:08,818
for some prominent names
in Hollywood.

1087
00:58:12,291 --> 00:58:14,228
He's done work for
Joel Silver, the producer.

1088
00:58:14,261 --> 00:58:18,671
He's been hired by Daryl Katz,
the billionaire.

1089
00:58:18,704 --> 00:58:21,109
LIZ: Pellicano told us
that he had just

1090
00:58:21,142 --> 00:58:23,848
filmed a guest star role
on the new HBO series

1091
00:58:23,881 --> 00:58:25,718
from the creator of
"Euphoria."

1092
00:58:25,752 --> 00:58:27,254
He appeared on
"Tucker Carlson."

1093
00:58:27,287 --> 00:58:29,125
- We are honored to have him
join us in the set today.

1094
00:58:29,158 --> 00:58:30,928
Anthony Pellicano, thanks
so much for joining us.

1095
00:58:30,962 --> 00:58:32,097
- Nice to be here.

1096
00:58:32,131 --> 00:58:33,968
LIZ: So it seems
as if Hollywood

1097
00:58:34,001 --> 00:58:37,074
is opening its doors back
up to Anthony Pellicano.

1098
00:58:39,980 --> 00:58:42,719
RON MEYER: We speak on
a very regular basis.

1099
00:58:42,752 --> 00:58:44,856
He's one of the
most stand-up people

1100
00:58:44,890 --> 00:58:46,259
that I've ever
known in my life.

1101
00:58:46,292 --> 00:58:50,702
He went and did almost
17 years in prison

1102
00:58:50,735 --> 00:58:53,841
without ever
giving anybody up.

1103
00:58:53,874 --> 00:58:57,549
Probably a lot of people
should be deep in his debt.

1104
00:58:57,582 --> 00:59:00,588
- There's an open question
as to how much money

1105
00:59:00,621 --> 00:59:03,226
Pellicano has
and whether he was

1106
00:59:03,259 --> 00:59:05,263
ever paid off for his silence.

1107
00:59:05,865 --> 00:59:08,002
<i>For exampl</i>
e,
<i>Bert Fields had admitted</i>

1108
00:59:08,036 --> 00:59:12,010
to donating money to a trust
fund for Anthony Pellicano.

1109
00:59:12,044 --> 00:59:14,649
But he threatened
to sue anyone who

1110
00:59:14,683 --> 00:59:17,622
were to say that he
donated money to Pellicano

1111
00:59:17,655 --> 00:59:19,125
to keep him quiet.

1112
00:59:22,164 --> 00:59:23,968
ANTHONY: When I came out,
there were people

1113
00:59:24,001 --> 00:59:25,705
that came to my aid.

1114
00:59:25,738 --> 00:59:29,278
But I have to say to you
so you understand clearly

1115
00:59:29,311 --> 00:59:32,284
that those people did
not do that because I

1116
00:59:32,317 --> 00:59:33,854
did not rat on them.

1117
00:59:33,888 --> 00:59:36,860
They did it because they
actually cared about me.

1118
00:59:43,106 --> 00:59:44,743
- No, I have no idea.

1119
00:59:44,776 --> 00:59:46,179
I have no idea.

1120
00:59:46,212 --> 00:59:47,882
I don't know.

1121
00:59:47,916 --> 00:59:50,320
You know, frankly, I--

1122
00:59:50,353 --> 00:59:51,924
always, I would say
I don't care,

1123
00:59:51,957 --> 00:59:53,794
except I care because
he went to jail for it.

1124
00:59:53,828 --> 00:59:55,631
I only know him and my
relationship with him,

1125
00:59:55,665 --> 00:59:58,269
so I can't speak to what
other people accuse him of

1126
00:59:58,303 --> 01:00:00,741
or what people have said
he did or didn't do.

1127
01:00:04,215 --> 01:00:08,189
LINDA: It was really hard
to pretend like

1128
01:00:08,223 --> 01:00:11,028
it wasn't happening,

1129
01:00:11,062 --> 01:00:14,603
not to recognize
unfamiliar parked cars.

1130
01:00:15,838 --> 01:00:19,078
It was just--the
fear was always there.

1131
01:00:19,111 --> 01:00:22,652
JUDE: My son James
suffered the most

1132
01:00:22,685 --> 01:00:23,921
because he was old enough

1133
01:00:23,954 --> 01:00:25,958
to know there was
something going on,

1134
01:00:25,992 --> 01:00:28,898
something very
tense and ominous.

1135
01:00:31,202 --> 01:00:34,676
ANITA: I have a nonprofit now
called Victims First.

1136
01:00:34,709 --> 01:00:37,247
I've worked behind the
scenes on mass shootings.

1137
01:00:37,281 --> 01:00:39,218
It's keeping people
on their feet

1138
01:00:39,251 --> 01:00:40,955
financially when they
are so low that they

1139
01:00:40,988 --> 01:00:42,826
have to look up to see bottom.

1140
01:00:42,859 --> 01:00:45,397
You know, it changed
my whole life.

1141
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:47,869
Everything I do for victims
is because of what happened

1142
01:00:47,902 --> 01:00:50,340
to me in the Pellicano case.

1143
01:00:50,373 --> 01:00:55,952
But I don't know how to stop
looking over my shoulder.

1144
01:00:57,154 --> 01:00:58,724
I mean, when you
feel like you're

1145
01:00:58,757 --> 01:01:01,095
going to be killed
every day for 18 months,

1146
01:01:01,128 --> 01:01:03,166
you live with this trauma.

1147
01:01:05,303 --> 01:01:07,107
I don't want anybody
to know where I'm at.

1148
01:01:07,140 --> 01:01:09,813
Nobody--my mom doesn't
know where I'm at.

1149
01:01:12,451 --> 01:01:13,821
- No.

1150
01:01:23,439 --> 01:01:25,176
- No.
No.

1151
01:01:25,210 --> 01:01:26,847
No, no remorse.

1152
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,182
And they like to hear
that when you're in court.

1153
01:01:28,216 --> 01:01:30,053
Do you feel remorseful?

1154
01:01:30,086 --> 01:01:31,455
I did it.

1155
01:01:31,489 --> 01:01:33,459
I mean, to come out
and be wimpy and go,

1156
01:01:33,493 --> 01:01:34,963
oh my God, I did this.

1157
01:01:34,996 --> 01:01:37,802
It's so terrible.
No--fuck no. No.

1158
01:01:47,454 --> 01:01:50,393
- You have to be honorable.
You have to keep your word.

1159
01:01:50,427 --> 01:01:53,132
And you have to be loyal.

1160
01:01:53,166 --> 01:01:56,172
Were there things that
I did that other people find

1161
01:01:56,205 --> 01:01:58,209
unreasonable,
despicable, or whatever

1162
01:01:58,243 --> 01:01:59,946
adjective you want to use?

1163
01:01:59,980 --> 01:02:01,349
I don't care.

1164
01:02:01,382 --> 01:02:05,156
I care about that
person who entrusted me

1165
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:07,060
to solve their problem.

1166
01:02:07,094 --> 01:02:09,699
That's who I care about.

1167
01:02:11,335 --> 01:02:14,809
[light music]

1168
01:02:14,843 --> 01:02:17,314
DANIEL: I know that
Anthony Pellicano

1169
01:02:17,347 --> 01:02:19,351
thinks himself
an honorable man.

1170
01:02:19,385 --> 01:02:21,489
Let's just say that he
and I have very different

1171
01:02:21,523 --> 01:02:23,426
concepts of what honor is.

1172
01:02:24,395 --> 01:02:28,904
- If you had $25,000,
Pellicano would give you his honor.

1173
01:02:30,407 --> 01:02:33,948
This guy's getting hired by
rich people, powerful people

1174
01:02:33,981 --> 01:02:37,822
to solve really
high-level problems.

1175
01:02:37,855 --> 01:02:40,761
And oftentimes, the people
that were the targets

1176
01:02:40,795 --> 01:02:42,832
of these investigations
were not powerful

1177
01:02:42,865 --> 01:02:45,771
and certainly didn't have
the means or the resources

1178
01:02:45,805 --> 01:02:47,240
of his clients.

1179
01:02:47,274 --> 01:02:50,180
LIZ: The government went
after an acute case,

1180
01:02:50,213 --> 01:02:52,518
but they did not go
after the chronic problem

1181
01:02:52,552 --> 01:02:54,522
of powerful people
getting an edge

1182
01:02:54,556 --> 01:02:58,764
and bending the rules to
win, even if it hurts people.

1183
01:02:59,431 --> 01:03:01,335
<i>PERSON: People might</i>
want to
<i>pooh-pooh this story</i>

1184
01:03:01,369 --> 01:03:03,239
and think, well, why
should we care about it

1185
01:03:03,272 --> 01:03:05,276
now all these years later?

1186
01:03:05,310 --> 01:03:08,282
Well, I would counter
by saying because it's

1187
01:03:08,316 --> 01:03:10,855
all about the things
we're talking about today.

1188
01:03:10,888 --> 01:03:13,259
It's about the
misuse of power.

1189
01:03:13,292 --> 01:03:14,996
It's about personal privacy.

1190
01:03:15,030 --> 01:03:17,100
It's about the rule of law.

1191
01:03:18,904 --> 01:03:23,514
These are the things that
make a society whole and safe.

1192
01:03:23,547 --> 01:03:27,220
And if we lose those,
then we're in trouble.