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<i>* *</i>

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<i>- Mission Viejo</i>
<i>is a very affluent part</i>

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<i>of Orange County</i>
<i>near the coast.</i>

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<i>- Saddleback College, it's</i>
<i>in Mission Viejo, California.</i>

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<i>It was, like, the preferred</i>
<i>college in Orange County.</i>

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<i>- We had a beautiful campus.</i>

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<i>Robbin was heavily involved in</i>
<i>so many things at the college.</i>

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<i>We never thought of there</i>
<i>being a safety issue</i>

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<i>or a problem of security.</i>

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<i>- On a peaceful campus,</i>
<i>where students</i>

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<i>have their whole</i>
<i>lives ahead of them,</i>

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<i>one beloved young woman's</i>
<i>future is viciously cut short.</i>

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- There were 41 stab wounds.

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<i>* *</i>

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- As far as a motive,
had no clue.

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<i>Absolutely no clue.</i>

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- The sheer sadness
just engulfs you.

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<i>I just burst out.</i>

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Just, no, no.

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It just, like,
hit me all at once.

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<i>- Detectives race to close in</i>
<i>on a deranged campus killer.</i>

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- This is a psycho
on the loose.

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<i>- He had left a rose</i>
<i>on her doorstep</i>

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maybe a day or two
before the murder.

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- The first thing you think of
is a spurned lover.

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One of her girlfriends
may have been jealous of her.

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<i>- There had been this argument</i>
<i>and there had been</i>

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a lot of witnesses to that.

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<i>- Nobody does this without</i>
<i>being through and through</i>

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evil to the bone.

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- I got a call,
and the detective said,

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<i>hey, we have</i>
<i>somebody in custody here.</i>

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Do you have a murder
of a girl on a college campus?

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After so long, to get
something like this is huge.

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<i>* *</i>

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<i>- My name's Matt Murphy.</i>

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<i>I was a deputy</i>
<i>district attorney</i>

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in the Orange County
DA's Office for 26 years.

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I was assigned
to the Homicide Unit for 17.

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<i>On January 18, 1986,</i>
<i>late at night,</i>

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the Orange County
Sheriff's Department

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gets a call that there may be
a dead woman

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in a parking lot
at Saddleback College.

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<i>* *</i>

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<i>- I'm Kim Markuson.</i>

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<i>I worked for the Orange County</i>
<i>Sheriff's Department</i>

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<i>for 30 years.</i>

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In January of 1986,
I was assigned

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as a homicide investigator.

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<i>When I got to the scene</i>
<i>in Mission Viejo,</i>

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it was actually a little bit
before 1:00 a.m.

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on Sunday morning.

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And the parking lot
was already cordoned off.

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<i>It was a large parking area,</i>
<i>and it was not</i>

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close to the buildings.

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<i>It was very dark.</i>

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That still impresses me even
today, how dark it was there.

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There was only one car
in that parking lot.

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And once we got closer,
I could see

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that there was a young female
laying on the ground

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nearby that car.

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<i>* *</i>

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- My name is Helen Moreno,
and for 23 years,

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I was an investigator
in Orange County, California.

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<i>* *</i>

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<i>By the appearance of it,</i>
<i>the woman was probably</i>

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just about to get into her car,

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but she had not opened
the door yet.

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<i>- She was lying</i>
<i>on her back faceup,</i>

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and she had a floral dress.

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<i>She had heels.</i>

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And her eyes were wide open,
staring into the sky.

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<i>That's the disturbing thing.</i>

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<i>- It was very apparent</i>

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that she had been stabbed
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It was a brutal homicide.

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- Just totally unexpected.

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Not something that you
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at Saddleback College
in South Orange County.

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Not only was she
stabbed from the back,

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but she was stabbed
from the front.

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<i>- There was a tremendous</i>
<i>amount of blood.</i>

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The number of stab wounds
were way, way, way

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<i>in the overkill category.</i>

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<i>Whoever did this,</i>

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there was a lot of rage
and anger there, for sure.

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Her skirt had been pulled up,
exposing her undergarments,

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<i>but it didn't appear that she</i>
<i>had been sexually assaulted.</i>

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<i>* *</i>

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<i>- The Orange County</i>
<i>sheriff's investigators</i>

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<i>begin to search</i>
<i>for any physical evidence.</i>

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<i>But unfortunately,</i>
<i>that attempt is a wash.</i>

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<i>- By the time</i>
<i>investigators got there,</i>

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the sprinkler system
had gone on.

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- So the area was saturated
with water.

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<i>- It's basically like</i>
<i>hosing down a crime scene.</i>

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And I mean, it's just--
it's frustrating.

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<i>- When the sprinklers</i>
<i>are finally</i>

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<i>turned off by campus security,</i>

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<i>crime scene investigators</i>
<i>comb the area.</i>

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- We didn't find a knife or
any piece of physical evidence

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that would link anybody
to the crime.

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<i>* *</i>

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<i>- The victim's car</i>
<i>was broken into,</i>

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and her purse
was sitting on the car.

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- There was money in there,
so we immediately

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discounted robbery.

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<i>* *</i>

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Inside her wallet
was her driver's license.

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<i>We identified the victim...</i>

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<i>As Robbin Brandley.</i>

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<i>- The campus is desolate</i>
<i>except for two professors</i>

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<i>who are waiting</i>
<i>in a nearby car.</i>

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<i>Through tears,</i>
<i>they tell investigators</i>

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<i>that they discovered the body</i>

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<i>and that 23-year-old</i>
<i>Robbin Brandley</i>

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<i>was one</i>
<i>of their star students.</i>

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<i>- I'm Julia Brady-Jenner,</i>
<i>and in 1986,</i>

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<i>I was a teacher at Saddleback</i>
<i>in film and television.</i>

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And Robbin Brandley
was my student

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who ultimately became a friend.

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I've never forgotten that image
of Robbin in the parking lot.

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<i>We were obviously in shock,</i>

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having seen her
literally 20 minutes before.

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<i>* *</i>

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January 18th was a concert
at Saddleback College.

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<i>When the concert was over,</i>
<i>people were leaving,</i>

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and it's pretty late
by that point.

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<i>* *</i>

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<i>- Julia explains that she</i>
<i>and Robbin were among the last</i>

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<i>to leave the event.</i>

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<i>Robbin headed out</i>
<i>around 10:15,</i>

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<i>and Julia followed</i>
<i>about a half hour later.</i>

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- I turned to my friend,
and I said,

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can you take me to my car?

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<i>He drove me</i>
<i>to the parking lot.</i>

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<i>It was really dark up there.</i>

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There wasn't anybody around
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But through the headlights,
we saw something.

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<i>It was a woman,</i>
<i>and there was blood.</i>

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<i>I realized at that point,</i>

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there's a body here.

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As we got closer, we realized
that we knew who it was.

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<i>* *</i>

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<i>I was crushed.</i>

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I just thought,
that can't be her.

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You know,
it just can't be her.

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<i>* *</i>

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That's a tough one.

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<i>* *</i>

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<i>- Investigators ask Julia</i>
<i>if there's anyone</i>

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<i>who might have wanted</i>
<i>to hurt Robbin.</i>

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<i>- I just said,</i>
<i>there's no way</i>

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that anybody in our department
would ever do that.

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<i>Robbin was a positive,</i>
<i>joyful human being.</i>

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<i>People loved to be around her.</i>

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- As far as a motive,
had no clue.

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Absolutely no clue.

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<i>- As CSI continues</i>
<i>to work deep into the night</i>

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<i>and early morning,</i>
<i>investigators tell Julia</i>

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<i>they'll talk more with her</i>
<i>the following day.</i>

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<i>For now, they face</i>
<i>the heartbreaking task</i>

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<i>of notifying Robbin's family</i>
<i>of her death.</i>

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<i>- My partner and I</i>
<i>went to the address</i>

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<i>on her driver's license.</i>

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Her mom and dad
lived there at the time.

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<i>And so then we made</i>
<i>the notification,</i>

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which was devastating,
as you can imagine.

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<i>- My name is Jayeson Brandley,</i>
<i>and I am the brother</i>

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<i>of Robbin Brandley.</i>

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<i>On the morning</i>
<i>of January 19, 1986,</i>

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<i>the phone started ringing</i>
<i>at about 4:00 in the morning.</i>

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And my dad said,
hey, Jayeson,

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you need to come home
right now.

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And I could tell
that he had been crying.

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<i>So got in my car,</i>
<i>drove to Laguna, and I said,</i>

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what's going on?

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And my mom just looked at me,
and she says, Robbin's dead.

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<i>* *</i>

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<i>She was murdered.</i>

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<i>The sheer sadness</i>
<i>just engulfs you.</i>

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I just burst out, you know?

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I was like, just, no, no.

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<i>And it's like, every emotion</i>
<i>that a person can have</i>

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in their soul and their body,
it just, like,

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hit me all at once.

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<i>And I was just--</i>

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<i>just lifeless.</i>

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<i>* *</i>

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<i>Robbin was very outgoing,</i>

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<i>and friends</i>
<i>gravitated towards her.</i>

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They really liked
her personality

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<i>and her sense of humor</i>
<i>and her sense of adventure.</i>

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<i>When we were growing up</i>
<i>in Huntington Beach,</i>

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<i>our house, it was less</i>
<i>than a mile from the ocean.</i>

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<i>The weather was always good</i>
<i>in Orange County,</i>

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so we just were always outside

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hanging out with friends
in the neighborhood.

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<i>Even though</i>
<i>she was older than I,</i>

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<i>you know,</i>
<i>she never tried to exclude me.</i>

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<i>* *</i>

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<i>She went</i>
<i>to Saddleback College.</i>

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<i>She loved that school.</i>

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Her writing and her passion
for journalism

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was something that was
really important to her.

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<i>The college had</i>
<i>a radio station,</i>

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<i>and they offered her</i>
<i>the opportunity</i>

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to have her own show.

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<i>So she became</i>
<i>a KSBR disc jockey.</i>

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The radio experience
really solidified what it was

226
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she wanted to be down the road.

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<i>* *</i>

228
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<i>- She was funny.</i>

229
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She was smart.

230
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She loved to talk to people.

231
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She loved people.

232
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- Robbin had no known enemies.

233
00:10:07,774 --> 00:10:10,176
<i>* *</i>

234
00:10:10,210 --> 00:10:13,380
<i>- So why, then, did someone</i>
<i>ruthlessly silence</i>

235
00:10:13,413 --> 00:10:16,449
<i>this esteemed student?</i>

236
00:10:16,483 --> 00:10:19,719
<i>With no forensic evidence</i>
<i>to help answer that question,</i>

237
00:10:19,753 --> 00:10:22,188
<i>detectives return</i>
<i>just hours later</i>

238
00:10:22,222 --> 00:10:25,759
<i>to find potential witnesses</i>
<i>to the murder.</i>

239
00:10:25,792 --> 00:10:28,728
<i>- Our investigators talked</i>
<i>to many people,</i>

240
00:10:28,762 --> 00:10:31,064
people that were on campus
at the time,

241
00:10:31,097 --> 00:10:35,769
<i>but nobody was identified that</i>
<i>witnessed the actual attack</i>

242
00:10:35,802 --> 00:10:37,370
on Robbin Brandley.

243
00:10:37,404 --> 00:10:38,938
<i>* *</i>

244
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The first thing you think of
is a spurned lover

245
00:10:42,208 --> 00:10:44,978
or, you know, a boyfriend
or somebody

246
00:10:45,011 --> 00:10:46,413
that she's had
an argument with.

247
00:10:46,446 --> 00:10:50,483
<i>* *</i>

248
00:10:50,517 --> 00:10:52,686
<i>- We spoke to a lot</i>
<i>of her fellow students,</i>

249
00:10:52,719 --> 00:10:55,755
<i>some of her professors,</i>
<i>her friends.</i>

250
00:10:55,789 --> 00:10:58,792
<i>- We did determine</i>
<i>that there was a guy</i>

251
00:10:58,825 --> 00:11:02,128
who was very,
very interested in Robbin.

252
00:11:02,162 --> 00:11:06,199
- The friends described him
as just being a little bit odd.

253
00:11:06,232 --> 00:11:09,135
<i>- He had left a rose</i>
<i>on her doorstep</i>

254
00:11:09,169 --> 00:11:12,806
and had done it maybe a day
or two before the murder.

255
00:11:12,839 --> 00:11:16,076
<i>* *</i>

256
00:11:16,076 --> 00:11:18,078
<i>- There was</i>
<i>another young co-ed</i>

257
00:11:18,078 --> 00:11:21,081
on campus that was abducted.

258
00:11:21,114 --> 00:11:23,383
- Sitting down with this guy,
this is huge.

259
00:11:30,123 --> 00:11:33,093
- There's not many times
that investigators

260
00:11:33,126 --> 00:11:36,296
interview somebody who is
a possible serial murderer.

261
00:11:45,404 --> 00:11:48,107
<i>[dramatic music]</i>

262
00:11:48,307 --> 00:11:52,778
<i>* *</i>

263
00:11:52,811 --> 00:11:56,115
<i>- It's January 19, 1986,</i>

264
00:11:56,148 --> 00:11:58,951
<i>the morning after</i>
<i>Saddleback College student</i>

265
00:11:58,984 --> 00:12:01,053
<i>Robbin Brandley</i>
<i>was found dead.</i>

266
00:12:01,086 --> 00:12:03,722
<i>After speaking</i>
<i>with students on campus,</i>

267
00:12:03,756 --> 00:12:06,325
<i>investigators wonder</i>
<i>if a single rose</i>

268
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<i>found on her doorstep in the</i>
<i>days leading up to her death</i>

269
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<i>could be a dark harbinger</i>
<i>of her demise.</i>

270
00:12:12,798 --> 00:12:15,067
<i>- Whenever you have a murder</i>
<i>victim that has been stabbed</i>

271
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multiple times,
your first thought

272
00:12:17,202 --> 00:12:21,106
is whether or not this is
a boyfriend or a girlfriend.

273
00:12:21,140 --> 00:12:23,475
- Her friends said that
a fellow student by the name

274
00:12:23,509 --> 00:12:25,844
of Will was pursuing her.

275
00:12:25,878 --> 00:12:28,180
<i>They just got a weird</i>
<i>feeling about him.</i>

276
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His personality just seemed
to be a little bit off.

277
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<i>- They had gone out</i>
<i>once or twice,</i>

278
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and he had left
a rose on her doorstep.

279
00:12:37,389 --> 00:12:39,458
<i>- He wanted</i>
<i>to be her boyfriend,</i>

280
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and he was fairly persistent.

281
00:12:41,527 --> 00:12:45,097
And Robbin was polite
and pretty much dismissed him.

282
00:12:45,097 --> 00:12:46,932
<i>But I think he knew</i>
<i>her schedule</i>

283
00:12:46,965 --> 00:12:49,802
<i>and even attended</i>
<i>some classes she did.</i>

284
00:12:49,835 --> 00:12:51,370
<i>- Could rejection</i>
<i>have driven Will</i>

285
00:12:51,403 --> 00:12:55,507
<i>to stab Robbin</i>
<i>in a frenzied rage?</i>

286
00:12:55,541 --> 00:12:57,543
<i>Two days after the murder,</i>
<i>investigators</i>

287
00:12:57,576 --> 00:12:59,678
<i>get Will's address</i>
<i>from school records</i>

288
00:12:59,712 --> 00:13:01,280
<i>and pay him a visit.</i>

289
00:13:01,313 --> 00:13:04,216
<i>- Will lived close by</i>
<i>in Laguna Niguel,</i>

290
00:13:04,249 --> 00:13:08,053
<i>a middle-class bedroom</i>
<i>community primarily.</i>

291
00:13:08,053 --> 00:13:11,423
<i>He knew about Robbin's murder</i>
<i>at that point.</i>

292
00:13:11,457 --> 00:13:13,459
<i>We asked if he was</i>
<i>interested in Robbin,</i>

293
00:13:13,492 --> 00:13:16,228
<i>and he admitted that he was.</i>

294
00:13:16,261 --> 00:13:18,130
<i>As we continue</i>
<i>talking to him,</i>

295
00:13:18,163 --> 00:13:20,499
we notice his reactions
to certain questions

296
00:13:20,532 --> 00:13:24,870
<i>wouldn't be as other</i>
<i>people might react.</i>

297
00:13:24,903 --> 00:13:26,505
<i>He was fairly quiet.</i>

298
00:13:26,538 --> 00:13:29,942
He wasn't rude or evasive.

299
00:13:29,975 --> 00:13:31,744
<i>But his answers were different</i>
<i>in the demeanor</i>

300
00:13:31,777 --> 00:13:34,580
than what we had seen with
the other friends of Robbin.

301
00:13:34,613 --> 00:13:36,382
<i>* *</i>

302
00:13:36,415 --> 00:13:39,084
<i>- Investigators ask Will</i>
<i>where he was</i>

303
00:13:39,084 --> 00:13:41,086
<i>the night of Robbin's murder.</i>

304
00:13:41,086 --> 00:13:42,354
<i>- Will told us he was at home.</i>

305
00:13:42,388 --> 00:13:44,757
He never left.
He did not go to the concert.

306
00:13:44,790 --> 00:13:46,592
<i>He didn't go anywhere.</i>

307
00:13:46,625 --> 00:13:48,827
<i>We needed to corroborate that.</i>

308
00:13:48,861 --> 00:13:52,598
But Mom was home,
and we asked her

309
00:13:52,631 --> 00:13:56,101
about Will's activities
that particular night,

310
00:13:56,101 --> 00:13:58,270
and she corroborated
what he said.

311
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She said he was home
all night, never left.

312
00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,910
<i>Unless we got other</i>
<i>evidence to indicate</i>

313
00:14:04,943 --> 00:14:07,312
that either one of them
was lying to us,

314
00:14:07,346 --> 00:14:09,782
<i>there was nothing else</i>
<i>to talk to him about.</i>

315
00:14:09,815 --> 00:14:12,818
<i>So we kept moving on.</i>

316
00:14:12,851 --> 00:14:14,453
<i>* *</i>

317
00:14:14,486 --> 00:14:17,623
<i>- By the time detectives</i>
<i>rule out their first suspect,</i>

318
00:14:17,656 --> 00:14:19,558
<i>the autopsy report comes back.</i>

319
00:14:19,591 --> 00:14:20,826
<i>[camera shutter snapping]</i>

320
00:14:20,859 --> 00:14:23,128
<i>And it paints</i>
<i>a terrifying picture</i>

321
00:14:23,162 --> 00:14:26,598
<i>of the barbaric nature</i>
<i>of Robbin's attack.</i>

322
00:14:26,632 --> 00:14:27,866
<i>* *</i>

323
00:14:27,900 --> 00:14:29,601
<i>- My name is Mark Lesneski.</i>

324
00:14:29,635 --> 00:14:31,337
I am a forensic technician

325
00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:33,339
with the Orange County
Coroner's Office.

326
00:14:33,372 --> 00:14:38,310
<i>I was working in 1986</i>
<i>when this homicide occurred.</i>

327
00:14:38,344 --> 00:14:42,314
I've handled
thousands of victims,

328
00:14:42,348 --> 00:14:45,084
<i>but some just stick out</i>
<i>more than others.</i>

329
00:14:45,084 --> 00:14:46,552
<i>* *</i>

330
00:14:46,585 --> 00:14:49,188
And this was one of them.

331
00:14:49,221 --> 00:14:50,656
<i>Robbin was stabbed...</i>

332
00:14:50,689 --> 00:14:52,358
<i>[camera shutter snapping]</i>

333
00:14:52,391 --> 00:14:54,259
<i>So much that there</i>
<i>is virtually</i>

334
00:14:54,293 --> 00:14:56,628
<i>no blood left</i>
<i>in the body at all.</i>

335
00:14:56,662 --> 00:14:58,297
<i>* *</i>

336
00:14:58,330 --> 00:15:01,500
- There were 41
stab wounds ultimately

337
00:15:01,533 --> 00:15:04,269
<i>determined on her body.</i>

338
00:15:04,303 --> 00:15:07,106
- The knife
was serrated blade,

339
00:15:07,139 --> 00:15:10,476
5 1/2 inches or so, 6 inches.

340
00:15:10,509 --> 00:15:11,543
<i>* *</i>

341
00:15:11,577 --> 00:15:13,545
<i>- And one of her ribs</i>

342
00:15:13,579 --> 00:15:15,681
had almost been severed
by the knife,

343
00:15:15,714 --> 00:15:19,685
<i>so it was consistent</i>
<i>with a knife getting stuck.</i>

344
00:15:19,718 --> 00:15:21,587
<i>It was a pretty deep cut.</i>

345
00:15:21,620 --> 00:15:24,056
<i>- I remember one</i>
<i>of the detectives saying</i>

346
00:15:24,056 --> 00:15:26,191
that the murderer had--
really had a hard time

347
00:15:26,225 --> 00:15:28,460
<i>trying to pull it out.</i>

348
00:15:28,494 --> 00:15:30,329
<i>- There was nothing</i>
<i>found on her clothing;</i>

349
00:15:30,362 --> 00:15:32,631
<i>there was nothing</i>
<i>found on her body</i>

350
00:15:32,664 --> 00:15:35,067
from a criminalistic standpoint
that would help us.

351
00:15:35,067 --> 00:15:36,869
<i>* *</i>

352
00:15:36,902 --> 00:15:40,072
- There was no
appearance of rape.

353
00:15:40,072 --> 00:15:42,508
Somebody was out to kill her.

354
00:15:42,541 --> 00:15:47,846
<i>* *</i>

355
00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,281
<i>- My name is Nick Schou.</i>

356
00:15:49,314 --> 00:15:50,883
<i>I was</i>
<i>an investigative reporter</i>

357
00:15:50,916 --> 00:15:54,286
and writer for "OC Weekly"
for 25 years in Orange County.

358
00:15:54,319 --> 00:15:56,288
I covered
the Robbin Brandley case.

359
00:15:56,321 --> 00:16:00,492
<i>This event sent shock waves</i>
<i>through the community.</i>

360
00:16:00,526 --> 00:16:01,827
It wasn't just a murder.

361
00:16:01,860 --> 00:16:03,529
It was an extremely
violent murder

362
00:16:03,562 --> 00:16:07,166
<i>on a college campus in a very</i>
<i>safe part of Orange County.</i>

363
00:16:07,199 --> 00:16:09,568
<i>- People start</i>
<i>locking their doors.</i>

364
00:16:09,601 --> 00:16:12,171
They don't feel safe
walking to their cars.

365
00:16:12,204 --> 00:16:13,939
<i>- I was scared.</i>

366
00:16:14,039 --> 00:16:16,675
I felt there was
some crazy person

367
00:16:16,709 --> 00:16:20,746
running around with a knife
and doing terrible things.

368
00:16:20,779 --> 00:16:23,882
<i>* *</i>

369
00:16:23,916 --> 00:16:27,286
<i>- The severity of the attack</i>
<i>leaves detectives even more</i>

370
00:16:27,319 --> 00:16:29,588
<i>convinced that Robbin's</i>
<i>murder was committed</i>

371
00:16:29,621 --> 00:16:31,423
<i>by someone who knew her.</i>

372
00:16:31,457 --> 00:16:35,361
<i>So they dig even deeper into</i>
<i>Robbin's activities on campus.</i>

373
00:16:35,394 --> 00:16:37,162
<i>* *</i>

374
00:16:37,196 --> 00:16:40,599
<i>- We wanted to find out,</i>
<i>who knows her lifestyle?</i>

375
00:16:40,632 --> 00:16:41,734
<i>What has she been doing?</i>

376
00:16:41,767 --> 00:16:43,736
Who does she socialize with?

377
00:16:43,769 --> 00:16:47,106
<i>- As detectives spend every</i>
<i>waking hour with students</i>

378
00:16:47,139 --> 00:16:49,908
<i>and professors,</i>
<i>a feeling of paranoia</i>

379
00:16:49,942 --> 00:16:52,478
<i>washes over the campus.</i>

380
00:16:52,511 --> 00:16:56,281
- When they're sitting in your
classroom, these detectives--

381
00:16:56,315 --> 00:16:58,117
<i>and they were very nice,</i>
<i>but I mean,</i>

382
00:16:58,150 --> 00:17:00,319
<i>they wanted to see</i>
<i>the dynamics</i>

383
00:17:00,352 --> 00:17:04,189
of who was in the department
and what was going on.

384
00:17:04,223 --> 00:17:06,692
<i>Everybody felt like a suspect.</i>

385
00:17:06,725 --> 00:17:09,028
<i>Everybody was very nervous.</i>

386
00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:11,530
<i>* *</i>

387
00:17:11,563 --> 00:17:14,199
<i>- Investigators learn</i>
<i>from talking to those close</i>

388
00:17:14,233 --> 00:17:16,435
<i>to Robbin</i>
<i>that her success at school</i>

389
00:17:16,468 --> 00:17:18,270
<i>may have sparked</i>
<i>a rivalry with one</i>

390
00:17:18,303 --> 00:17:21,607
<i>of her fellow</i>
<i>communications classmates.</i>

391
00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,277
<i>- Investigators heard</i>
<i>that one of her girlfriends</i>

392
00:17:25,310 --> 00:17:28,480
may have been jealous
of her position at the school

393
00:17:28,514 --> 00:17:31,650
and that she was
really doing so well.

394
00:17:31,684 --> 00:17:33,819
<i>Her name was Valerie.</i>

395
00:17:33,852 --> 00:17:37,756
- Valerie had basically been
sidelined by Robbin,

396
00:17:37,790 --> 00:17:40,693
<i>who had taken over</i>
<i>volunteer work on campus</i>

397
00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:43,228
<i>that Valerie had</i>
<i>been trying to do.</i>

398
00:17:43,262 --> 00:17:46,331
<i>And there had been some</i>
<i>choice words exchanged.</i>

399
00:17:46,365 --> 00:17:47,800
<i>There had been this argument</i>

400
00:17:47,833 --> 00:17:49,568
<i>between Valerie and Robbin</i>
<i>that had occurred,</i>

401
00:17:49,601 --> 00:17:52,638
and there had been a lot
of witnesses to that.

402
00:17:52,671 --> 00:17:55,140
<i>- Jealousy is a huge</i>
<i>motivating factor</i>

403
00:17:55,174 --> 00:17:57,309
<i>in committing a homicide.</i>

404
00:17:57,343 --> 00:18:00,813
Competitiveness
definitely sparks jealousy.

405
00:18:00,846 --> 00:18:02,848
<i>* *</i>

406
00:18:02,881 --> 00:18:05,351
<i>- As it turns out,</i>
<i>detectives soon discover</i>

407
00:18:05,384 --> 00:18:08,220
<i>that Valerie may also</i>
<i>have been the last person</i>

408
00:18:08,253 --> 00:18:11,123
<i>to see Robbin alive.</i>

409
00:18:11,156 --> 00:18:12,591
<i>- After the concert</i>
<i>that night,</i>

410
00:18:12,624 --> 00:18:15,761
Robbin and Valerie
were ready to leave.

411
00:18:15,794 --> 00:18:17,830
<i>They went towards the door,</i>
<i>and she waved and said,</i>

412
00:18:17,863 --> 00:18:19,698
<i>hey, we're going</i>
<i>to walk out together.</i>

413
00:18:19,732 --> 00:18:22,868
<i>- Investigators have to find</i>
<i>this woman immediately.</i>

414
00:18:22,901 --> 00:18:26,672
But after this murder, Valerie
allegedly had left town.

415
00:18:26,705 --> 00:18:28,407
<i>* *</i>

416
00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,209
Maybe Valerie had
something to do with it.

417
00:18:40,452 --> 00:18:42,855
<i>[dramatic music]</i>

418
00:18:43,122 --> 00:18:50,062
<i>* *</i>

419
00:18:50,863 --> 00:18:53,832
<i>- Two days after student</i>
<i>Robbin Brandley</i>

420
00:18:53,866 --> 00:18:55,467
<i>was found viciously stabbed</i>

421
00:18:55,501 --> 00:18:58,137
<i>in a remote parking lot</i>
<i>at Saddleback College,</i>

422
00:18:58,170 --> 00:19:00,172
<i>investigators</i>
<i>are trying to track down</i>

423
00:19:00,205 --> 00:19:05,444
<i>a classmate and potential</i>
<i>campus rival named Valerie.</i>

424
00:19:05,477 --> 00:19:08,647
- Valerie was a suspect
because she disappeared

425
00:19:08,681 --> 00:19:09,715
right after it happened.

426
00:19:09,748 --> 00:19:13,018
<i>Plus, she was the last</i>
<i>person to see Robbin.</i>

427
00:19:13,052 --> 00:19:16,288
<i>- Nobody investigators</i>
<i>talked to at the college</i>

428
00:19:16,321 --> 00:19:18,424
<i>knew where Valerie was.</i>

429
00:19:18,457 --> 00:19:21,393
Investigators thought
that Valerie was gone

430
00:19:21,427 --> 00:19:25,097
or was missing for a few days
after this crime occurred.

431
00:19:25,130 --> 00:19:28,267
<i>* *</i>

432
00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:31,637
<i>- That weekend, investigators</i>
<i>call Valerie using a number</i>

433
00:19:31,670 --> 00:19:34,239
<i>they located</i>
<i>in a school directory,</i>

434
00:19:34,273 --> 00:19:36,809
<i>but the phone</i>
<i>rings off the hook.</i>

435
00:19:36,842 --> 00:19:38,577
<i>So school administrators</i>
<i>provide them</i>

436
00:19:38,610 --> 00:19:40,346
<i>with her course schedule.</i>

437
00:19:40,379 --> 00:19:42,047
<i>The following week</i>
<i>on campus,</i>

438
00:19:42,081 --> 00:19:44,783
<i>detectives catch up with her</i>
<i>before class.</i>

439
00:19:44,817 --> 00:19:48,087
<i>- She told police,</i>
<i>after the concert,</i>

440
00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:49,555
she went home
for the weekend

441
00:19:49,588 --> 00:19:51,457
and didn't know
what had happened.

442
00:19:51,490 --> 00:19:53,325
<i>So she hadn't,</i>
<i>in fact, disappeared,</i>

443
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,328
<i>as the police</i>
<i>quickly realized.</i>

444
00:19:56,362 --> 00:19:57,696
<i>She came back to school.</i>

445
00:19:57,730 --> 00:19:59,798
That's when she
actually first found out

446
00:19:59,832 --> 00:20:02,067
about Robbin's death.

447
00:20:02,101 --> 00:20:04,903
<i>- Investigators have to</i>
<i>confirm Valerie's whereabouts</i>

448
00:20:04,937 --> 00:20:06,438
<i>immediately after the murder</i>

449
00:20:06,472 --> 00:20:08,607
<i>with her family members.</i>

450
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,110
- Investigators were able
to determine very quickly

451
00:20:11,143 --> 00:20:12,444
in interviewing her family

452
00:20:12,478 --> 00:20:14,279
<i>that she had come home</i>
<i>normally,</i>

453
00:20:14,313 --> 00:20:17,616
and she wasn't behaving
out of the ordinary.

454
00:20:17,649 --> 00:20:20,786
<i>- And I think that after</i>
<i>interviewing Valerie</i>

455
00:20:20,819 --> 00:20:24,289
and her family,
the idea that she was jealous,

456
00:20:24,323 --> 00:20:26,158
which was the information
they had,

457
00:20:26,191 --> 00:20:28,694
wasn't something
that was accurate.

458
00:20:28,727 --> 00:20:30,562
<i>Investigators</i>
<i>were able to determine</i>

459
00:20:30,596 --> 00:20:33,332
through their interviews
of friends

460
00:20:33,365 --> 00:20:34,833
and people who knew her

461
00:20:34,867 --> 00:20:38,470
<i>that Valerie and Robbin went</i>
<i>in different directions</i>

462
00:20:38,504 --> 00:20:40,806
<i>after leaving</i>
<i>when the reception was over.</i>

463
00:20:40,839 --> 00:20:45,444
<i>They were parked in totally</i>
<i>different areas of the campus.</i>

464
00:20:45,477 --> 00:20:46,812
<i>- So it's instantly</i>
<i>corroborated.</i>

465
00:20:46,845 --> 00:20:49,314
This young woman had absolutely
nothing to do with the murder.

466
00:20:49,348 --> 00:20:50,949
<i>* *</i>

467
00:20:50,983 --> 00:20:55,220
[waves crashing]

468
00:20:55,254 --> 00:20:58,724
<i>- While investigators</i>
<i>continue to press for leads,</i>

469
00:20:58,757 --> 00:21:02,461
<i>Robbin's friends and family</i>
<i>gather to celebrate and grieve</i>

470
00:21:02,494 --> 00:21:05,364
<i>their beloved daughter,</i>
<i>sister, and friend</i>

471
00:21:05,397 --> 00:21:07,766
<i>in the best way</i>
<i>they know how.</i>

472
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,736
<i>- A week after Robbin</i>
<i>was murdered,</i>

473
00:21:10,769 --> 00:21:13,972
we wondered, where were we
going to put her ashes?

474
00:21:14,073 --> 00:21:15,974
<i>* *</i>

475
00:21:16,075 --> 00:21:20,679
<i>We went, took a boat</i>
<i>out of Newport Beach</i>

476
00:21:20,713 --> 00:21:23,449
<i>with some</i>
<i>of her closest friends.</i>

477
00:21:23,482 --> 00:21:25,851
<i>It's just a really</i>
<i>beautiful place.</i>

478
00:21:25,884 --> 00:21:30,989
And each of us had a part in
dumping ashes into the ocean.

479
00:21:31,090 --> 00:21:33,359
<i>* *</i>

480
00:21:33,392 --> 00:21:36,862
<i>You know, the first thing</i>
<i>I thought to me was, you know,</i>

481
00:21:36,895 --> 00:21:42,001
there goes the last
physical remnant of Robbin.

482
00:21:42,101 --> 00:21:43,635
<i>* *</i>

483
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:46,372
<i>And it was really painful</i>
<i>and difficult</i>

484
00:21:46,405 --> 00:21:49,675
to just realize
that a week ago,

485
00:21:49,708 --> 00:21:52,344
she was just
this perfectly normal,

486
00:21:52,378 --> 00:21:55,214
<i>happy, loving person</i>

487
00:21:55,247 --> 00:21:59,852
who was now reduced
to just ashes.

488
00:21:59,885 --> 00:22:02,354
<i>* *</i>

489
00:22:02,388 --> 00:22:05,758
<i>The boat ride</i>
<i>back to the harbor,</i>

490
00:22:05,791 --> 00:22:08,961
<i>I don't think</i>
<i>anybody said a word.</i>

491
00:22:09,061 --> 00:22:12,931
And we just sat quietly
and just contemplated

492
00:22:12,965 --> 00:22:14,500
what we had just done.

493
00:22:14,533 --> 00:22:16,769
<i>* *</i>

494
00:22:16,802 --> 00:22:19,638
<i>Once we did that,</i>
<i>then that turned</i>

495
00:22:19,672 --> 00:22:23,242
into the next phase
of really focusing on,

496
00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:25,911
who did it, and why?

497
00:22:25,944 --> 00:22:29,915
<i>* *</i>

498
00:22:29,948 --> 00:22:33,218
<i>- With Valerie</i>
<i>and admirer Will ruled out,</i>

499
00:22:33,252 --> 00:22:36,588
<i>investigators are at a loss</i>
<i>for any other promising leads</i>

500
00:22:36,622 --> 00:22:38,323
<i>amongst those Robbin knew,</i>

501
00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:41,960
<i>which opens the door</i>
<i>to an alternative possibility.</i>

502
00:22:41,994 --> 00:22:43,762
- As we got into it
down the road

503
00:22:43,796 --> 00:22:45,731
and we're not finding anything,

504
00:22:45,764 --> 00:22:48,801
<i>a perfect stranger definitely</i>
<i>comes to mind, for sure.</i>

505
00:22:48,834 --> 00:22:51,470
- And a random attack
is more challenging

506
00:22:51,503 --> 00:22:53,539
because there's
no connection to the victim.

507
00:22:53,572 --> 00:22:55,774
[camera shutter snapping]

508
00:22:55,808 --> 00:22:58,110
So it's very difficult
for investigators

509
00:22:58,110 --> 00:23:00,379
because the pressure is on

510
00:23:00,412 --> 00:23:02,281
because the guy
who did it was still

511
00:23:02,314 --> 00:23:04,583
out there posing a danger.

512
00:23:04,616 --> 00:23:07,052
This is a psycho on the loose.

513
00:23:07,052 --> 00:23:13,592
<i>* *</i>

514
00:23:13,625 --> 00:23:15,694
<i>- As weeks turn into months,</i>

515
00:23:15,728 --> 00:23:18,897
<i>detectives are still no closer</i>
<i>to solving the case.</i>

516
00:23:18,931 --> 00:23:22,835
<i>But then just as the community</i>
<i>terror starts to settle</i>

517
00:23:22,868 --> 00:23:25,904
<i>a year after Robbin's murder,</i>
<i>Saddleback College</i>

518
00:23:25,938 --> 00:23:28,273
<i>is rocked again</i>
<i>when a female student</i>

519
00:23:28,307 --> 00:23:33,345
<i>is violently attacked</i>
<i>on January 20, 1987.</i>

520
00:23:33,379 --> 00:23:36,248
- It was a young coed.

521
00:23:36,281 --> 00:23:40,519
<i>She was abducted by a guy</i>
<i>and taken to another location.</i>

522
00:23:40,552 --> 00:23:42,454
<i>* *</i>

523
00:23:42,488 --> 00:23:44,690
<i>- The 22-year-old woman</i>
<i>was attacked</i>

524
00:23:44,723 --> 00:23:48,293
<i>in a dimly lit campus</i>
<i>parking lot, just like Robbin.</i>

525
00:23:48,327 --> 00:23:50,496
<i>* *</i>

526
00:23:50,529 --> 00:23:52,531
- He drove her
to Modjeska Canyon

527
00:23:52,564 --> 00:23:53,899
and sexually assaulted her.

528
00:23:53,932 --> 00:23:55,734
<i>drove her back to the campus,</i>

529
00:23:55,768 --> 00:23:58,837
<i>and she was able</i>
<i>to escape the vehicle.</i>

530
00:23:58,871 --> 00:24:01,507
<i>In fact, he was</i>
<i>immediately stopped</i>

531
00:24:01,540 --> 00:24:04,610
and arrested by campus police.

532
00:24:04,643 --> 00:24:07,046
<i>- The man is identified</i>
<i>as 20-year-old</i>

533
00:24:07,046 --> 00:24:10,382
<i>Charlie O'Hearn</i>
<i>out of San Juan Capistrano.</i>

534
00:24:10,416 --> 00:24:12,951
- For the investigators
on the Robbin Brandley case,

535
00:24:13,052 --> 00:24:16,689
this was the closest thing
they had to any kind of a lead

536
00:24:16,722 --> 00:24:19,558
since the crime had occurred.

537
00:24:19,591 --> 00:24:21,060
<i>- The goal would be</i>
<i>to try to find out</i>

538
00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:24,396
where he was
on January 18th of 1986.

539
00:24:24,430 --> 00:24:27,499
Was he anywhere even
close by the campus,

540
00:24:27,533 --> 00:24:30,169
<i>Mission Viejo,</i>
<i>or Orange County?</i>

541
00:24:30,202 --> 00:24:34,473
- They obviously wanted to get
in a room with Charlie O'Hearn

542
00:24:34,506 --> 00:24:36,175
<i>as soon as they</i>
<i>possibly could.</i>

543
00:24:45,352 --> 00:24:47,987
<i>[dramatic music]</i>

544
00:24:48,254 --> 00:24:53,860
<i>* *</i>

545
00:24:53,893 --> 00:24:56,830
<i>- Almost a year to the day</i>
<i>after 23-year-old</i>

546
00:24:56,863 --> 00:25:00,767
<i>Robbin Brandley was found</i>
<i>stabbed at Saddleback College,</i>

547
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,570
<i>yet another young female</i>
<i>is violently attacked</i>

548
00:25:03,603 --> 00:25:06,106
<i>in a campus parking lot.</i>

549
00:25:06,139 --> 00:25:08,641
<i>Except this time,</i>
<i>the woman survives,</i>

550
00:25:08,675 --> 00:25:10,744
<i>and the attacker,</i>
<i>Charlie O'Hearn,</i>

551
00:25:10,777 --> 00:25:13,413
<i>is immediately caught.</i>

552
00:25:13,446 --> 00:25:16,683
<i>- When Homicide finds out</i>
<i>that there was another coed</i>

553
00:25:16,716 --> 00:25:18,351
<i>on the campus that's abducted,</i>

554
00:25:18,385 --> 00:25:21,054
<i>the investigators</i>
<i>on the Robbin Brandley case</i>

555
00:25:21,054 --> 00:25:23,223
work with the sexual assault
investigators

556
00:25:23,256 --> 00:25:25,558
to find out whether or not
there's any connection.

557
00:25:25,592 --> 00:25:27,127
<i>* *</i>

558
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,462
<i>- Could this be</i>
<i>the same person who murdered</i>

559
00:25:29,496 --> 00:25:31,931
<i>Robbin Brandley</i>
<i>a year earlier?</i>

560
00:25:31,965 --> 00:25:34,868
<i>To find out,</i>
<i>investigators sit O'Hearn down</i>

561
00:25:34,901 --> 00:25:38,605
<i>in an interrogation room</i>
<i>and press him for information.</i>

562
00:25:38,638 --> 00:25:40,306
<i>- The police were able</i>
<i>to get in a room</i>

563
00:25:40,340 --> 00:25:42,442
with Charlie O'Hearn,
but he didn't appear to know

564
00:25:42,475 --> 00:25:43,843
anything about the crime.

565
00:25:43,877 --> 00:25:45,412
He certainly didn't
confess to it.

566
00:25:45,445 --> 00:25:47,280
<i>* *</i>

567
00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:49,949
<i>- He said that he had</i>
<i>nothing to do with the case</i>

568
00:25:49,983 --> 00:25:53,453
and wasn't around
the campus at the time.

569
00:25:53,486 --> 00:25:54,954
<i>* *</i>

570
00:25:54,988 --> 00:25:58,591
There was no evidence
to show that he was the person

571
00:25:58,625 --> 00:26:01,094
<i>who actually killed Robbin.</i>

572
00:26:01,127 --> 00:26:03,530
- We thought we might have
a good lead, solid lead,

573
00:26:03,563 --> 00:26:07,033
and it turned out
to be nothing.

574
00:26:07,033 --> 00:26:09,903
<i>- O'Hearn pleads guilty</i>
<i>to kidnapping and rape charges</i>

575
00:26:09,936 --> 00:26:11,638
<i>for the recent attack.</i>

576
00:26:11,671 --> 00:26:14,140
<i>While they can't rule him out</i>
<i>for Robbin's murder</i>

577
00:26:14,174 --> 00:26:16,176
<i>without more evidence,</i>
<i>for now,</i>

578
00:26:16,209 --> 00:26:19,379
<i>detectives</i>
<i>are back to square one.</i>

579
00:26:19,412 --> 00:26:20,814
<i>- No matter how much</i>
<i>a police department</i>

580
00:26:20,847 --> 00:26:22,882
wants to find answers,
eventually given

581
00:26:22,916 --> 00:26:25,051
the information they have,
they're going to run out

582
00:26:25,051 --> 00:26:26,886
<i>of leads on a case like this.</i>

583
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,856
And then there becomes
nobody left to call,

584
00:26:29,889 --> 00:26:31,291
nobody left to talk to.

585
00:26:31,324 --> 00:26:33,460
There's no new theory.

586
00:26:33,493 --> 00:26:37,197
<i>- Time stretches on</i>
<i>as Robbin's case goes cold.</i>

587
00:26:37,230 --> 00:26:40,767
<i>The passing years offer</i>
<i>neither respite nor remedy</i>

588
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,436
<i>for those who loved her.</i>

589
00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:46,573
<i>- For my parents, it really</i>
<i>took a big piece of them.</i>

590
00:26:46,606 --> 00:26:49,342
<i>Just sucked it</i>
<i>right out of their soul.</i>

591
00:26:49,376 --> 00:26:50,910
<i>* *</i>

592
00:26:50,944 --> 00:26:53,680
<i>Not knowing who did it</i>
<i>was just something that</i>

593
00:26:53,713 --> 00:26:56,182
<i>just followed us around 24-7.</i>

594
00:26:56,216 --> 00:27:00,020
The frequency of updates
as to what their status was

595
00:27:00,053 --> 00:27:02,689
on finding the killer
was just starting

596
00:27:02,722 --> 00:27:05,158
to drop off, you know,
year after year.

597
00:27:05,191 --> 00:27:06,626
<i>* *</i>

598
00:27:06,659 --> 00:27:10,096
- Having a lot of time pass
was surprising.

599
00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:13,867
I mean, we all thought
the scene was so chaotic

600
00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:16,036
<i>and so vicious and bloody,</i>

601
00:27:16,069 --> 00:27:19,773
<i>nobody's going to be able</i>
<i>to get away with that.</i>

602
00:27:19,806 --> 00:27:21,941
- I personally
was of the opinion

603
00:27:22,042 --> 00:27:26,046
that we're probably never going
to know who killed Robbin.

604
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:29,082
That's just the hardest
thing to deal with.

605
00:27:29,115 --> 00:27:35,955
<i>* *</i>

606
00:27:36,056 --> 00:27:39,859
<i>- Sadly, eight years pass</i>
<i>with no breaks in the case,</i>

607
00:27:39,893 --> 00:27:44,064
<i>until a new investigator</i>
<i>brings with her new hope.</i>

608
00:27:44,064 --> 00:27:47,434
- The Robbin Brandley case
happened in 1986.

609
00:27:47,467 --> 00:27:49,703
I was a cold case investigator,

610
00:27:49,736 --> 00:27:54,074
<i>and I received it on my desk</i>
<i>in 1994.</i>

611
00:27:54,107 --> 00:27:57,644
<i>The second time around,</i>
<i>that is the goal</i>

612
00:27:57,677 --> 00:28:01,147
is that you can
ultimately get justice

613
00:28:01,181 --> 00:28:06,286
for a victim and, hopefully,
some closure for the family.

614
00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:08,288
<i>* *</i>

615
00:28:08,321 --> 00:28:11,224
<i>- For more than three years,</i>
<i>Investigator Moreno</i>

616
00:28:11,257 --> 00:28:13,460
<i>diligently combs</i>
<i>through the case file</i>

617
00:28:13,493 --> 00:28:15,295
<i>for any possible missed clues.</i>

618
00:28:15,328 --> 00:28:18,765
<i>Then in April of 1997,</i>
<i>she receives</i>

619
00:28:18,798 --> 00:28:21,301
<i>a startling phone call</i>
<i>that could be the break</i>

620
00:28:21,334 --> 00:28:24,270
<i>she's been searching for.</i>

621
00:28:24,304 --> 00:28:27,173
- A detective from Chicago
called me and said,

622
00:28:27,207 --> 00:28:29,576
hey, we have somebody
in custody here

623
00:28:29,609 --> 00:28:31,044
who may have had
something to do

624
00:28:31,044 --> 00:28:32,445
with a murder
in Orange County.

625
00:28:32,479 --> 00:28:34,114
<i>* *</i>

626
00:28:34,147 --> 00:28:38,718
Do you have a murder
of a girl on a college campus?

627
00:28:38,752 --> 00:28:40,453
[camera shutter snapping]

628
00:28:40,487 --> 00:28:41,821
<i>* *</i>

629
00:28:41,855 --> 00:28:44,090
And I said, absolutely, we do.

630
00:28:44,124 --> 00:28:47,827
<i>* *</i>

631
00:28:47,861 --> 00:28:51,264
They had a suspect by the name
of Andrew Urdiales,

632
00:28:51,297 --> 00:28:53,967
<i>a security guard,</i>
<i>and he was charged there</i>

633
00:28:54,067 --> 00:28:57,070
<i>with three murders</i>
<i>of prostitutes.</i>

634
00:28:57,070 --> 00:28:59,773
- This guy had been
a highly functioning member

635
00:28:59,806 --> 00:29:02,342
of the United States
Marine Corps.

636
00:29:02,375 --> 00:29:05,512
<i>And he went to the Gulf War,</i>
<i>and he came back</i>

637
00:29:05,545 --> 00:29:09,916
a decorated combat veteran
from the Iraq War.

638
00:29:10,016 --> 00:29:13,753
<i>- Now that he was arrested in</i>
<i>Chicago for the other murders,</i>

639
00:29:13,787 --> 00:29:17,057
during their interviewing
process with him,

640
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:22,696
he said that he had done five
murders here in California.

641
00:29:22,729 --> 00:29:24,364
<i>- Investigators are stunned.</i>

642
00:29:24,397 --> 00:29:28,034
<i>Could this fallen hero</i>
<i>also be Robbin's killer?</i>

643
00:29:28,034 --> 00:29:30,337
<i>Knowing there's only one way</i>
<i>to find out,</i>

644
00:29:30,370 --> 00:29:33,907
<i>with the opportunity for</i>
<i>answers over 2,000 miles away,</i>

645
00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:37,811
<i>police spring into action.</i>

646
00:29:37,844 --> 00:29:39,913
<i>- Within two hours,</i>
<i>my partner and I</i>

647
00:29:39,946 --> 00:29:42,215
were on a plane
flying to Chicago.

648
00:29:42,248 --> 00:29:46,252
<i>* *</i>

649
00:29:46,286 --> 00:29:48,955
<i>- Once they arrive at the</i>
<i>jail, Helen and her partner</i>

650
00:29:49,055 --> 00:29:51,791
<i>are ready to finally</i>
<i>get some answers.</i>

651
00:29:51,825 --> 00:29:54,928
<i>- Helen Moreno sitting down</i>
<i>with this guy is gigantic.</i>

652
00:29:54,961 --> 00:29:57,764
The stakes are really high
on this thing.

653
00:29:57,797 --> 00:30:00,066
<i>But it is a very</i>
<i>well-known phenomenon</i>

654
00:30:00,066 --> 00:30:01,668
<i>in the world</i>
<i>of murder investigations</i>

655
00:30:01,701 --> 00:30:03,670
that sometimes serial killers,
when they're already

656
00:30:03,703 --> 00:30:07,207
going down for what they did,
will begin confessing

657
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,543
to other murders
that they didn't commit.

658
00:30:10,577 --> 00:30:13,046
<i>Because I think a lot of them</i>
<i>just like the control</i>

659
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:15,882
<i>of muddying an investigation.</i>

660
00:30:15,915 --> 00:30:17,550
- Because there was
no physical evidence,

661
00:30:17,584 --> 00:30:20,286
<i>you want to corroborate the</i>
<i>evidence from the crime scene,</i>

662
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,156
<i>the evidence that the body</i>
<i>showed us to confirm he was</i>

663
00:30:23,189 --> 00:30:25,158
telling the truth
and he was the person

664
00:30:25,191 --> 00:30:26,693
who actually killed Robbin.

665
00:30:26,726 --> 00:30:28,795
<i>* *</i>

666
00:30:44,477 --> 00:30:47,280
- There's not many times
that investigators

667
00:30:47,313 --> 00:30:51,151
interview somebody who is
a possible serial murderer.

668
00:30:51,184 --> 00:30:54,454
<i>I felt this is probably</i>
<i>the last chance we had</i>

669
00:30:54,487 --> 00:30:57,891
to be able to determine
what happened to Robbin.

670
00:31:09,468 --> 00:31:12,104
<i>[dramatic music]</i>

671
00:31:12,371 --> 00:31:16,408
<i>* *</i>

672
00:31:16,442 --> 00:31:19,411
<i>- Investigator Helen Moreno</i>
<i>is face-to-face</i>

673
00:31:19,445 --> 00:31:23,415
<i>with alleged serial killer</i>
<i>Andrew Urdiales,</i>

674
00:31:23,449 --> 00:31:25,651
<i>who claims to have killed</i>
<i>five women</i>

675
00:31:25,684 --> 00:31:28,554
<i>in Orange County, California.</i>

676
00:31:28,587 --> 00:31:31,790
<i>It's the only shot she has</i>
<i>to determine if Urdiales</i>

677
00:31:31,824 --> 00:31:34,827
<i>is the ruthless killer</i>
<i>who savagely butchered</i>

678
00:31:34,860 --> 00:31:37,296
<i>Robbin Brandley</i>
<i>11 years earlier.</i>

679
00:31:37,329 --> 00:31:38,964
<i>* *</i>

680
00:31:38,997 --> 00:31:41,333
- He was very, very relaxed.

681
00:31:41,367 --> 00:31:43,435
<i>He seemed very matter of fact.</i>

682
00:31:43,469 --> 00:31:44,703
<i>* *</i>

683
00:31:44,737 --> 00:31:47,473
<i>He told us that he was young</i>
<i>when he joined the service.</i>

684
00:31:55,347 --> 00:31:59,184
<i>- Robbin's murder</i>
<i>happened January 18, 1986.</i>

685
00:31:59,218 --> 00:32:02,755
And Camp Pendleton
is just down the road

686
00:32:02,788 --> 00:32:06,325
from Saddleback College,
maybe a half an hour drive.

687
00:32:06,358 --> 00:32:09,328
<i>So he was in the location</i>
<i>where the murder occurred</i>

688
00:32:09,361 --> 00:32:12,464
<i>during the time period</i>
<i>it occurred.</i>

689
00:32:12,498 --> 00:32:15,467
<i>Andrew detailed to us,</i>
<i>he had a lot</i>

690
00:32:15,501 --> 00:32:19,304
of interactions that weren't
good with other marines.

691
00:32:29,448 --> 00:32:33,786
<i>* *</i>

692
00:32:33,819 --> 00:32:36,388
<i>- Having established</i>
<i>a viable timeline,</i>

693
00:32:36,422 --> 00:32:40,926
<i>investigators turn to</i>
<i>the night of January 18, 1986,</i>

694
00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:42,695
<i>the date of Robbin's murder.</i>

695
00:32:42,728 --> 00:32:44,663
<i>- He said he was on base</i>

696
00:32:44,697 --> 00:32:49,268
and some of his fellow marines
angered him

697
00:32:49,301 --> 00:32:53,105
and in frustration,
he decided to get in his car.

698
00:33:03,682 --> 00:33:08,587
- And he parked
in a little strip mall area.

699
00:33:18,897 --> 00:33:20,733
<i>- Serrated?</i>

700
00:33:20,766 --> 00:33:23,435
<i>- Investigators note</i>
<i>that the knife Urdiales</i>

701
00:33:23,469 --> 00:33:25,704
<i>describes matches</i>
<i>the specifics of the weapon</i>

702
00:33:25,738 --> 00:33:27,706
<i>in the autopsy report.</i>

703
00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:31,076
<i>And that's not the only detail</i>
<i>that sounds familiar.</i>

704
00:33:42,588 --> 00:33:45,791
- And then
all of a sudden, he saw

705
00:33:45,824 --> 00:33:47,960
<i>this girl walking towards him.</i>

706
00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:21,527
- So at first, he thought,
well, I'm going to rob her,

707
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,795
but he was so angry,

708
00:34:22,828 --> 00:34:25,798
<i>that kind of escalated</i>
<i>what happened.</i>

709
00:34:25,831 --> 00:34:28,801
<i>- Investigator Moreno knows</i>
<i>there's always a chance</i>

710
00:34:28,834 --> 00:34:31,270
<i>that Urdiales could have</i>
<i>pulled some of these details</i>

711
00:34:31,303 --> 00:34:32,905
<i>from news coverage.</i>

712
00:34:32,938 --> 00:34:35,607
<i>To verify that he</i>
<i>truly is the killer,</i>

713
00:34:35,641 --> 00:34:39,478
<i>she pushes him to describe</i>
<i>the stabbing in more detail.</i>

714
00:34:45,651 --> 00:34:49,955
<i>* *</i>

715
00:34:49,988 --> 00:34:54,093
<i>- Then he said he was so angry</i>
<i>that he just started</i>

716
00:34:54,093 --> 00:34:56,095
stabbing her again
in the front.

717
00:35:07,673 --> 00:35:10,275
<i>- The farther and farther</i>
<i>we get into the interview</i>

718
00:35:10,309 --> 00:35:12,411
<i>with him,</i>
<i>the more puzzle pieces</i>

719
00:35:12,444 --> 00:35:14,513
that matched up
with the crime scene.

720
00:35:14,546 --> 00:35:16,849
<i>He said she was</i>
<i>laying on her back.</i>

721
00:35:16,882 --> 00:35:18,851
<i>Her dress was hiked up.</i>

722
00:35:18,884 --> 00:35:21,487
<i>- The details</i>
<i>Urdiales is describing</i>

723
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,356
<i>may match the crime scene,</i>
<i>but investigators still</i>

724
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:26,358
<i>can't rule out</i>
<i>that their suspect didn't</i>

725
00:35:26,392 --> 00:35:28,060
<i>glean them from press reports,</i>

726
00:35:28,093 --> 00:35:32,164
<i>until Urdiales drops</i>
<i>a unique forensic bombshell</i>

727
00:35:32,197 --> 00:35:34,667
<i>that only the killer</i>
<i>would know.</i>

728
00:35:41,273 --> 00:35:43,208
<i>* *</i>

729
00:35:43,242 --> 00:35:46,545
- During autopsy,
there was an injury to her ribs

730
00:35:46,578 --> 00:35:50,082
that is consistent
with a knife getting stuck.

731
00:35:50,082 --> 00:35:52,685
<i>* *</i>

732
00:35:52,718 --> 00:35:55,087
<i>Those were facts</i>
<i>that were not written</i>

733
00:35:55,087 --> 00:35:57,322
<i>in any newspaper article</i>

734
00:35:57,356 --> 00:35:59,692
<i>that matched up</i>
<i>with the crime scene.</i>

735
00:35:59,725 --> 00:36:02,094
I was confident
that we had the right person

736
00:36:02,127 --> 00:36:04,029
at that point in time.

737
00:36:04,063 --> 00:36:06,598
<i>- Investigators now know</i>
<i>they're sitting across</i>

738
00:36:06,632 --> 00:36:09,702
<i>from the deranged killer</i>
<i>who savagely took the life</i>

739
00:36:09,735 --> 00:36:11,437
<i>of Robbin Brandley</i>

740
00:36:11,470 --> 00:36:14,106
<i>and maybe seven other women</i>
<i>as well.</i>

741
00:36:14,139 --> 00:36:17,276
<i>So they're eager to ask him</i>
<i>one last question.</i>

742
00:36:24,316 --> 00:36:26,685
<i>- He almost seemed proud.</i>

743
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,122
It was just chilling,
being that close to him.

744
00:36:30,155 --> 00:36:32,591
But now it was over for him.

745
00:36:32,624 --> 00:36:35,327
[waves crashing]

746
00:36:35,361 --> 00:36:39,164
<i>* *</i>

747
00:36:39,198 --> 00:36:42,868
<i>All we wanted was to get</i>
<i>over to the Brandleys' house</i>

748
00:36:42,901 --> 00:36:45,871
and let them know
we had every confidence

749
00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:49,408
<i>that he was the person that</i>
<i>took their daughter's life.</i>

750
00:36:49,441 --> 00:36:54,079
They were relieved, but,
you know, they were in shock.

751
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:57,282
<i>It was very emotional</i>
<i>because they had been</i>

752
00:36:57,316 --> 00:37:00,619
very, very dedicated
to find out

753
00:37:00,652 --> 00:37:02,454
who did this
to their daughter.

754
00:37:02,488 --> 00:37:05,758
For many, many years,
it consumed their life.

755
00:37:05,791 --> 00:37:07,760
<i>* *</i>

756
00:37:07,793 --> 00:37:12,097
- I flew home and immediately
went to visit my parents.

757
00:37:12,131 --> 00:37:17,503
<i>Just looking at this guy</i>
<i>and trying to understand,</i>

758
00:37:17,536 --> 00:37:19,705
<i>you know, why would he want</i>
<i>to kill Robbin?</i>

759
00:37:20,939 --> 00:37:23,308
It was just
so out of the blue, so random.

760
00:37:24,510 --> 00:37:26,245
- We've been waiting
for this for a long time,

761
00:37:26,278 --> 00:37:31,050
so I was happy about the fact
they had someone in custody.

762
00:37:31,050 --> 00:37:33,686
<i>I was shocked</i>
<i>that he was a marine.</i>

763
00:37:35,054 --> 00:37:39,291
- But now the next step
is getting the conviction.

764
00:37:39,324 --> 00:37:42,795
<i>- After five long years</i>
<i>of legal and political debates</i>

765
00:37:42,828 --> 00:37:45,064
<i>over the death penalty</i>
<i>in Illinois,</i>

766
00:37:45,064 --> 00:37:47,900
<i>Urdiales is finally tried</i>
<i>in Chicago</i>

767
00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:50,369
<i>for the murders</i>
<i>he committed in Illinois.</i>

768
00:37:50,402 --> 00:37:53,372
- So in 2002,
Urdiales is convicted

769
00:37:53,405 --> 00:37:54,973
and sentenced to death

770
00:37:55,074 --> 00:37:57,810
of two of the Illinois murders
that he committed.

771
00:37:57,843 --> 00:37:59,645
<i>* *</i>

772
00:37:59,678 --> 00:38:01,113
- And it was a big sense
of relief

773
00:38:01,146 --> 00:38:02,614
<i>because now there's no need</i>

774
00:38:02,648 --> 00:38:04,683
<i>to have him extradited</i>
<i>back to California</i>

775
00:38:04,717 --> 00:38:06,352
if he's going to be
on death row anyways

776
00:38:06,385 --> 00:38:08,487
and eventually be executed.

777
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,157
But unfortunately, things
took an unexpected turn.

778
00:38:22,401 --> 00:38:24,903
<i>[dramatic music]</i>

779
00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:29,641
<i>* *</i>

780
00:38:29,675 --> 00:38:32,244
<i>- In 2002,</i>
<i>with Andrew Urdiales</i>

781
00:38:32,277 --> 00:38:34,246
<i>on death row in Illinois,</i>

782
00:38:34,279 --> 00:38:36,648
<i>Robbin Brandley's family</i>
<i>is spared</i>

783
00:38:36,682 --> 00:38:39,518
<i>enduring a painful trial</i>
<i>in California.</i>

784
00:38:39,551 --> 00:38:42,521
<i>But two years after his</i>
<i>out-of-state convictions,</i>

785
00:38:42,554 --> 00:38:45,357
<i>they're hit with</i>
<i>a devastating curveball.</i>

786
00:38:45,391 --> 00:38:47,626
- In 2004,
the governor in Illinois

787
00:38:47,659 --> 00:38:50,829
actually commuted
death penalty sentences,

788
00:38:50,863 --> 00:38:54,500
including the one
Andrew Urdiales was facing

789
00:38:54,533 --> 00:38:57,136
<i>for the murders</i>
<i>that he committed in Illinois.</i>

790
00:38:57,169 --> 00:38:59,872
<i>* *</i>

791
00:38:59,905 --> 00:39:02,374
<i>- Seven years pass</i>
<i>as Urdiales files</i>

792
00:39:02,408 --> 00:39:07,012
<i>various appeals and motions</i>
<i>for the California cases.</i>

793
00:39:07,012 --> 00:39:09,715
<i>- Finally, in 2011,</i>
<i>Andrew Urdiales</i>

794
00:39:09,748 --> 00:39:11,383
was extradited
from the state of Illinois

795
00:39:11,417 --> 00:39:12,885
to finally face justice

796
00:39:12,918 --> 00:39:15,888
<i>for the five murders</i>
<i>he committed out here.</i>

797
00:39:15,921 --> 00:39:20,125
<i>- In March 2018, when they</i>
<i>brought Andrew Urdiales out</i>

798
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:23,462
<i>from his cell into</i>
<i>the courtroom for the trial,</i>

799
00:39:23,495 --> 00:39:27,032
it really struck me
just how different he looked

800
00:39:27,032 --> 00:39:28,701
to what I envisioned.

801
00:39:28,734 --> 00:39:33,505
<i>This slender, head shaven,</i>
<i>glasses,</i>

802
00:39:33,539 --> 00:39:35,107
and it just blew me away
that somebody

803
00:39:35,140 --> 00:39:37,042
<i>that looks like a total nerd</i>

804
00:39:37,042 --> 00:39:39,778
<i>could do the things</i>
<i>he did to people.</i>

805
00:39:39,812 --> 00:39:41,413
<i>* *</i>

806
00:39:41,447 --> 00:39:44,750
<i>- Andrew Urdiales was angry</i>
<i>at something on the base.</i>

807
00:39:44,783 --> 00:39:49,254
He was just not getting along
with the other marines

808
00:39:49,288 --> 00:39:50,589
<i>that were in his group.</i>

809
00:39:50,622 --> 00:39:52,791
<i>I believe he was</i>
<i>so angry and it was</i>

810
00:39:52,825 --> 00:39:56,395
such a relief that he
got rid of all of his anger.

811
00:39:56,428 --> 00:39:58,230
<i>Robbin was his first.</i>

812
00:39:58,263 --> 00:40:02,001
That led to the other murders
that he ultimately committed.

813
00:40:02,034 --> 00:40:03,068
- He didn't rape her.

814
00:40:03,102 --> 00:40:04,436
He didn't assault her.

815
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:05,804
He didn't rob her.

816
00:40:05,838 --> 00:40:10,109
He just evil, mean
stabbed her 41 times.

817
00:40:10,142 --> 00:40:14,780
<i>* *</i>

818
00:40:14,813 --> 00:40:18,484
- During the trial, they played
the entire interview

819
00:40:18,517 --> 00:40:20,486
<i>for the jury</i>
<i>that I had conducted</i>

820
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:24,123
when Andrew Urdiales
confessed.

821
00:40:24,156 --> 00:40:26,725
<i>- In May 2018,</i>
<i>Andrew Urdiales was</i>

822
00:40:26,759 --> 00:40:29,228
convicted of the five murders
here in Southern California.

823
00:40:29,261 --> 00:40:30,763
<i>* *</i>

824
00:40:30,796 --> 00:40:32,731
<i>- And he was later</i>
<i>sentenced to death</i>

825
00:40:32,765 --> 00:40:35,034
on all five
California murders.

826
00:40:35,067 --> 00:40:38,303
<i>* *</i>

827
00:40:38,337 --> 00:40:43,008
<i>- Robbin Brandley's family</i>
<i>had been waiting 32 years.</i>

828
00:40:43,042 --> 00:40:45,678
Just imagine that, 32 years

829
00:40:45,711 --> 00:40:48,647
after the brutal murder
of their beautiful daughter,

830
00:40:48,681 --> 00:40:51,283
they finally had resolution
to this case.

831
00:40:51,316 --> 00:40:52,851
<i>* *</i>

832
00:40:52,885 --> 00:40:54,853
<i>- Justice has</i>
<i>finally been served.</i>

833
00:40:54,887 --> 00:40:56,722
Doesn't bring
my sister back,

834
00:40:56,755 --> 00:40:59,858
but it is kind of
final closure on this thing.

835
00:40:59,892 --> 00:41:01,060
<i>* *</i>

836
00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:04,863
<i>- When I heard that he had</i>
<i>been sentenced to death,</i>

837
00:41:04,897 --> 00:41:05,931
I thought, great.

838
00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:09,635
Torture and murder people,
and that's what happens.

839
00:41:09,668 --> 00:41:11,437
I don't think you
should be on the planet.

840
00:41:11,470 --> 00:41:17,810
<i>* *</i>

841
00:41:17,843 --> 00:41:20,145
<i>- In November of 2018,</i>

842
00:41:20,179 --> 00:41:22,681
<i>six months</i>
<i>after the sentencing,</i>

843
00:41:22,715 --> 00:41:24,883
I got a call from the
District Attorney's Office

844
00:41:24,917 --> 00:41:27,086
to let me know
that Andrew Urdiales

845
00:41:27,086 --> 00:41:30,089
<i>had committed suicide</i>
<i>in prison.</i>

846
00:41:30,122 --> 00:41:31,123
<i>* *</i>

847
00:41:31,156 --> 00:41:33,726
<i>- Guards at San Quentin</i>
<i>discover him hanging</i>

848
00:41:33,759 --> 00:41:36,328
from a noose in his cell.

849
00:41:36,362 --> 00:41:37,763
<i>- I'm glad he did it.</i>

850
00:41:37,796 --> 00:41:40,299
He's no longer here,
which is a good thing.

851
00:41:40,332 --> 00:41:42,167
You know,
it finally came to an end.

852
00:41:42,201 --> 00:41:45,304
<i>* *</i>

853
00:41:45,337 --> 00:41:48,440
[waves crashing]

854
00:41:50,576 --> 00:41:54,213
<i>* *</i>

855
00:41:54,246 --> 00:41:57,116
- It's chilling that there are
people out there in the world

856
00:41:57,116 --> 00:42:01,620
that could snuff out
such a beautiful life so early

857
00:42:01,653 --> 00:42:03,155
<i>and not care.</i>

858
00:42:03,188 --> 00:42:05,724
<i>The same with the four other</i>
<i>victims in Orange County</i>

859
00:42:05,758 --> 00:42:07,793
<i>and the three in Illinois.</i>

860
00:42:07,826 --> 00:42:11,930
You can't understate the
human suffering that happens

861
00:42:11,964 --> 00:42:14,166
as a result of a murder.

862
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:16,835
<i>- It was a traumatic</i>
<i>event for me.</i>

863
00:42:16,869 --> 00:42:20,105
I still remember
like it was yesterday.

864
00:42:20,139 --> 00:42:23,242
<i>This is the lot I used to</i>
<i>park in, but after that night,</i>

865
00:42:23,275 --> 00:42:24,576
<i>I never parked here.</i>

866
00:42:24,610 --> 00:42:25,911
<i>I don't come down here.</i>

867
00:42:25,944 --> 00:42:27,579
<i>I wouldn't even park here</i>
<i>during the day.</i>

868
00:42:27,613 --> 00:42:30,449
When I think back
about her being out here

869
00:42:30,482 --> 00:42:33,919
and us being so close,
that's difficult,

870
00:42:33,952 --> 00:42:36,522
because if we had come sooner,

871
00:42:36,555 --> 00:42:39,525
maybe it would have changed
her outcome.

872
00:42:39,558 --> 00:42:42,828
<i>* *</i>

873
00:42:42,861 --> 00:42:45,397
<i>- Most of the cases</i>
<i>stick with me.</i>

874
00:42:45,431 --> 00:42:49,335
This one did for sure
because of the brutality of it,

875
00:42:49,368 --> 00:42:51,837
<i>how young the victim was,</i>

876
00:42:51,870 --> 00:42:55,607
<i>how she was in the wrong place</i>
<i>at the wrong time.</i>

877
00:42:55,641 --> 00:42:59,144
Nobody does this
without being

878
00:42:59,178 --> 00:43:01,046
through and through
evil to the bone.

879
00:43:01,046 --> 00:43:07,619
<i>* *</i>

880
00:43:07,653 --> 00:43:10,556
<i>- I lost a very dear friend.</i>

881
00:43:10,589 --> 00:43:13,425
<i>I'm not going to be able</i>
<i>to grow older</i>

882
00:43:13,459 --> 00:43:15,527
and have Robbin by my side.

883
00:43:15,561 --> 00:43:19,431
<i>And it's really hard to think</i>
<i>about what could have been,</i>

884
00:43:19,465 --> 00:43:21,400
what Robbin could have become.

885
00:43:21,433 --> 00:43:25,838
<i>* *</i>

886
00:43:25,871 --> 00:43:30,309
- She did some big things
while she was on this Earth,

887
00:43:30,342 --> 00:43:33,712
<i>and she impacted a lot of us.</i>

888
00:43:33,746 --> 00:43:38,283
<i>Robbin had so many</i>
<i>good things in her life,</i>

889
00:43:38,317 --> 00:43:39,985
<i>and that's the thing</i>
<i>to celebrate--</i>

890
00:43:40,085 --> 00:43:42,154
not what happened to her
but who she was.

891
00:43:42,187 --> 00:43:46,258
<i>* *</i>