1 00:00:03,044 --> 00:00:06,214 [water splashing] 2 00:00:07,716 --> 00:00:09,801 - This guy's literally bigger than life. 3 00:00:09,843 --> 00:00:12,095 - Jimmy was outgoing. 4 00:00:12,137 --> 00:00:13,805 People were just drawn to him. 5 00:00:13,847 --> 00:00:15,598 - He was involved with the wrong people. 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,726 - When you owe money to the mob, you've got a problem. 7 00:00:22,772 --> 00:00:25,608 - She says, "Are you gonna kill me? Am I gonna die?" 8 00:00:25,650 --> 00:00:28,236 And he says, "No, you're too pretty to die." 9 00:00:29,571 --> 00:00:30,530 - They were there for one reason, 10 00:00:30,572 --> 00:00:32,699 and one reason only. 11 00:00:32,741 --> 00:00:36,369 - You've got a cold-blooded execution-style murder. 12 00:00:36,411 --> 00:00:39,581 - They're trying to send a message to somebody. 13 00:00:39,622 --> 00:00:43,168 - This wave of organized crime violence. 14 00:00:43,209 --> 00:00:44,586 This one of those cases I'll never forget. 15 00:00:44,627 --> 00:00:46,504 I mean, it had so many twists and turns. 16 00:00:46,546 --> 00:00:50,133 - It's such a serious crime and then it goes cold again. 17 00:00:50,175 --> 00:00:52,719 - It was really hard waiting to find out 18 00:00:52,761 --> 00:00:54,554 what had happened to Jimmy. 19 00:00:54,596 --> 00:00:56,556 - The case goes cold for 30 years. 20 00:00:56,598 --> 00:00:58,558 And then I get a phone call 21 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,226 from the Orange County DA's office saying that 22 00:01:00,268 --> 00:01:01,644 they have somebody in custody. 23 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,116 [dramatic music] 24 00:01:15,158 --> 00:01:22,123 * * 25 00:01:26,711 --> 00:01:29,714 [peaceful music] 26 00:01:29,756 --> 00:01:31,883 * * 27 00:01:31,925 --> 00:01:33,718 - You've got a wide variety 28 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,721 of culture and life here in Orange County. 29 00:01:36,763 --> 00:01:38,264 Little bit of "Lifestyle Rich and Famous" 30 00:01:38,306 --> 00:01:39,641 down by the beaches. 31 00:01:39,683 --> 00:01:41,267 - Where else can you have the ocean 32 00:01:41,309 --> 00:01:42,519 30 minutes away from you, 33 00:01:43,645 --> 00:01:44,604 or the mountains 30 minutes away from you? 34 00:01:45,689 --> 00:01:47,482 You can go skiing in the morning, 35 00:01:47,524 --> 00:01:49,359 surfing in the afternoon. 36 00:01:49,401 --> 00:01:52,445 - The city of Buena Park, there's a different vibe. 37 00:01:52,487 --> 00:01:53,905 It's a little bit nicer, 38 00:01:53,947 --> 00:01:56,533 the buildings are a little bit newer. 39 00:01:56,574 --> 00:01:59,160 - Nestled between the blue Pacific waters 40 00:01:59,202 --> 00:02:01,287 and the San Bernardino mountains 41 00:02:01,329 --> 00:02:04,290 sits Buena Park, an amusement destination 42 00:02:04,332 --> 00:02:07,711 that draws millions to Orange County every year. 43 00:02:07,752 --> 00:02:09,879 - In the '80s, 44 00:02:09,921 --> 00:02:14,718 was a big party spot and really a lot of fun. 45 00:02:17,679 --> 00:02:20,348 - It's a place that's happy. 46 00:02:22,267 --> 00:02:24,769 - The good times come to a grinding halt 47 00:02:24,811 --> 00:02:28,356 for one high-rolling Buena Park couple 48 00:02:28,398 --> 00:02:31,443 shortly after ringing in 1987. 49 00:03:05,685 --> 00:03:07,854 - My name is Robin Lindley 50 00:03:07,896 --> 00:03:10,273 and in 1987, 51 00:03:10,315 --> 00:03:11,858 I was a crime scene investigator 52 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:13,693 for the Buena Park Police Department. 53 00:03:13,735 --> 00:03:16,404 On January 2nd that year, 54 00:03:16,446 --> 00:03:18,656 I got a call right after midnight. 55 00:03:18,698 --> 00:03:21,534 We were the first homicide in the county that year 56 00:03:21,576 --> 00:03:24,412 and I was called out to a location in Buena Tierra. 57 00:03:24,454 --> 00:03:25,789 I was a little nervous 58 00:03:25,830 --> 00:03:29,292 because it was my first big case in Buena Park. 59 00:03:29,334 --> 00:03:30,669 The condo was located in the northern end 60 00:03:31,836 --> 00:03:33,630 of Buena Park, which is the upper scale area. 61 00:03:33,672 --> 00:03:34,923 When I arrived at the scene, 62 00:03:34,964 --> 00:03:37,842 we had a victim there that was still alive. 63 00:03:37,884 --> 00:03:39,761 The victim, Shelly, was very distraught, 64 00:03:39,803 --> 00:03:42,430 very upset, which is understandable. 65 00:03:42,472 --> 00:03:44,974 She was very concerned about the other victim. 66 00:03:45,016 --> 00:03:47,435 She did say that that was her boyfriend, Jimmy Casino. 67 00:03:49,771 --> 00:03:51,439 When the officer that had arrived first 68 00:03:52,732 --> 00:03:53,817 who was in charge of the scene took me into the house, 69 00:03:54,859 --> 00:03:56,903 you could see the house was disheveled 70 00:03:56,945 --> 00:03:59,322 and had been ransacked. 71 00:03:59,364 --> 00:04:01,574 He guided me upstairs to where the other victim 72 00:04:01,616 --> 00:04:04,411 was laying upstairs in the hallway, dead, 73 00:04:04,452 --> 00:04:06,663 and then pointed out where the bedroom was 74 00:04:06,705 --> 00:04:10,709 where the other attack had taken place. 75 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:12,752 And the first thing to go through my mind is 76 00:04:12,794 --> 00:04:14,337 what things can I print? 77 00:04:14,379 --> 00:04:16,756 Where would they leave fingerprints? 78 00:04:16,798 --> 00:04:19,300 That's the areas I want to look at and cordon off 79 00:04:19,342 --> 00:04:21,052 and make sure they're preserved 80 00:04:21,094 --> 00:04:22,595 so that when I go through processing, 81 00:04:22,637 --> 00:04:25,306 we make sure we have all those things. 82 00:04:25,348 --> 00:04:27,767 It looked like somebody had moved the victim. 83 00:04:27,809 --> 00:04:30,979 We had blood stain on the cabinets. 84 00:04:31,021 --> 00:04:32,605 We took photographs of that 85 00:04:32,647 --> 00:04:34,649 and marked measurements of those 86 00:04:34,691 --> 00:04:36,943 so we could kind of determine where and how he was seated 87 00:04:36,985 --> 00:04:38,570 when he was actually killed. 88 00:04:40,447 --> 00:04:42,741 There was one bullet casing found upstairs. 89 00:04:42,782 --> 00:04:45,118 It was a .22 bullet casing. 90 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,454 Once you find evidence you mark it, 91 00:04:47,495 --> 00:04:49,414 and you photograph it. 92 00:04:49,456 --> 00:04:50,999 We tried to collect evidence 93 00:04:51,041 --> 00:04:54,419 knowing that it has to be preserved 94 00:04:54,461 --> 00:04:55,962 'cause we didn't know about DNA. 95 00:04:56,004 --> 00:04:58,465 All we knew about was fingerprinting 96 00:04:58,506 --> 00:05:00,383 and maybe trace evidence. 97 00:05:00,425 --> 00:05:03,511 So you had to make sure that everything was done properly. 98 00:05:04,637 --> 00:05:06,056 - I'm Sharon Katchen, 99 00:05:06,097 --> 00:05:08,683 and I covered the Orange County Bureau 100 00:05:08,725 --> 00:05:12,687 for KFWB for 20 years. 101 00:05:12,729 --> 00:05:14,981 On one side, it looked like it was a robbery. 102 00:05:15,023 --> 00:05:16,900 These guys took everything 103 00:05:16,941 --> 00:05:18,818 they could get their hands on that was of value. 104 00:05:18,860 --> 00:05:21,404 They took money. They took credit cards. 105 00:05:21,446 --> 00:05:22,864 They stole two cars. 106 00:05:22,906 --> 00:05:25,492 They stole the Mercedes and the Camaro. 107 00:05:25,533 --> 00:05:27,660 They left the Rolls Royce in the garage. 108 00:05:27,702 --> 00:05:29,621 Once police talked to Shelly, 109 00:05:29,662 --> 00:05:31,998 they established which cars were taken, 110 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,918 they put out an All-Points Bulletin for them. 111 00:05:36,461 --> 00:05:38,880 - My name is Robert Sayne. 112 00:05:38,922 --> 00:05:41,508 And in 1987 I was a police sergeant 113 00:05:41,549 --> 00:05:43,468 for the Santa Ana Police Department. 114 00:05:43,510 --> 00:05:44,636 As far as taking the cars, 115 00:05:44,678 --> 00:05:46,054 I think it was a matter of convenience. 116 00:05:46,096 --> 00:05:48,848 They obviously were dropped off there, 117 00:05:48,890 --> 00:05:52,560 'cause they didn't have any transportation out of there. 118 00:05:52,602 --> 00:05:53,853 - The brazen suspects 119 00:05:53,895 --> 00:05:57,023 leave a trail of destruction in their wake. 120 00:05:57,065 --> 00:05:59,192 When detectives interview Jimmy's girlfriend, 121 00:05:59,234 --> 00:06:01,444 Shelly Fisher, they realize 122 00:06:01,486 --> 00:06:03,822 just how terrifying an ordeal it was. 123 00:06:07,909 --> 00:06:10,036 - They went out to the movies during New Year's. 124 00:06:10,078 --> 00:06:11,830 James Casino had his son with him. 125 00:06:11,871 --> 00:06:13,206 They went to the movies, had a good time. 126 00:06:13,248 --> 00:06:15,792 They dropped his son off with a friend. 127 00:06:15,834 --> 00:06:17,210 They go park into their condo 128 00:06:17,252 --> 00:06:19,963 that he was residing in at that time. 129 00:06:20,005 --> 00:06:21,881 - Shelly said that they go into the condo, 130 00:06:21,923 --> 00:06:24,759 and they're met by two men with guns and masks. 131 00:06:24,801 --> 00:06:26,803 One of the men takes Shelly upstairs. 132 00:06:26,845 --> 00:06:29,472 She says, "Are you gonna kill me? Am I gonna die?" 133 00:06:29,514 --> 00:06:33,059 And he says, "No, you're too pretty to die." 134 00:06:33,101 --> 00:06:35,729 And he proceeded to rape her. 135 00:06:35,770 --> 00:06:39,190 They left her tied up in the bedroom upstairs. 136 00:06:39,232 --> 00:06:41,234 One of them went with Jimmy 137 00:06:41,276 --> 00:06:43,570 and he made sure that he opened up the safe. 138 00:06:43,611 --> 00:06:45,613 And they got all the jewelry from the safe, 139 00:06:45,655 --> 00:06:47,615 they got credit cards. 140 00:06:47,657 --> 00:06:49,659 Shelly managed to free herself. 141 00:06:51,202 --> 00:06:53,121 Shelly heard what she thought were gunshots. 142 00:06:53,163 --> 00:06:54,873 [gunshots] 143 00:06:54,914 --> 00:06:58,168 She saw Jimmy in a pool of blood, dead. 144 00:06:58,209 --> 00:07:01,796 She went to a neighbor's house and then she called 911. 145 00:07:02,797 --> 00:07:04,257 They still had to ask her questions 146 00:07:04,299 --> 00:07:06,634 because the investigation had to go on, 147 00:07:06,676 --> 00:07:08,678 and they had to catch her when she still had 148 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,264 profound memories of what happened. 149 00:07:11,306 --> 00:07:13,725 She never saw the men who raped her, 150 00:07:13,767 --> 00:07:15,727 but it took a tremendous amount of strength 151 00:07:15,769 --> 00:07:17,145 for Shelly to pull herself together 152 00:07:17,187 --> 00:07:20,523 and talk to the police. 153 00:07:20,565 --> 00:07:23,193 - We arranged to have her taken to the hospital 154 00:07:23,234 --> 00:07:24,194 to have a rape kit done. 155 00:07:26,654 --> 00:07:27,697 Being the only female, 156 00:07:27,739 --> 00:07:30,116 I would go with the female victim. 157 00:07:30,158 --> 00:07:32,994 The hospital does the actual rape kits 158 00:07:33,036 --> 00:07:34,913 but I'm there to collect any evidence 159 00:07:34,954 --> 00:07:36,748 and collect the rape kit itself. 160 00:07:36,790 --> 00:07:38,833 And then it's turned over to the Orange County crime lab. 161 00:07:41,628 --> 00:07:45,090 At that point, the victim was very quiet. 162 00:07:45,131 --> 00:07:47,050 After everything had happened 163 00:07:47,092 --> 00:07:48,635 and trying to process everything, 164 00:07:48,677 --> 00:07:50,095 you've already been violated by somebody 165 00:07:50,136 --> 00:07:52,722 and now you have to have other people look at you. 166 00:07:55,642 --> 00:07:58,103 - It's a tricky case for homicide detectives. 167 00:07:58,144 --> 00:07:59,979 With two attackers on the run, 168 00:08:00,021 --> 00:08:01,940 police must quickly figure out 169 00:08:01,981 --> 00:08:05,151 who was lying in wait for Shelly and her boyfriend, 170 00:08:05,193 --> 00:08:08,863 and more importantly, why? 171 00:08:12,701 --> 00:08:14,703 - My name's Dan Wagner. 172 00:08:14,744 --> 00:08:16,705 I was the supervisor of the homicide unit. 173 00:08:16,746 --> 00:08:18,873 I had oversight over this case. 174 00:08:18,915 --> 00:08:20,625 Jimmy Casino, the businessman, 175 00:08:20,667 --> 00:08:23,795 you know, was 100% hustle and grit, 176 00:08:23,837 --> 00:08:27,966 and hard work, and just never say die. 177 00:08:28,008 --> 00:08:30,093 - Detectives soon learn their murder victim 178 00:08:30,135 --> 00:08:32,345 was born James Stockwell, 179 00:08:32,387 --> 00:08:34,806 but a love for flash and Vegas 180 00:08:34,848 --> 00:08:38,184 led to rebranding himself "Jimmy Casino." 181 00:08:38,226 --> 00:08:39,978 - Jimmy Casino was one of these guys 182 00:08:40,020 --> 00:08:41,813 you would probably want for a friend. 183 00:08:41,855 --> 00:08:44,774 He was generous with his time, with his money. 184 00:08:44,816 --> 00:08:47,027 He seemed to really like people. 185 00:08:47,068 --> 00:08:50,989 He had a penchant for having a very lavish lifestyle, 186 00:08:51,031 --> 00:08:54,576 and that was probably his downfall over his years 187 00:08:54,617 --> 00:08:57,203 because whenever he would be starting a new venture, 188 00:08:57,245 --> 00:08:59,581 instead of putting the money into the venture, 189 00:08:59,622 --> 00:09:02,625 he would put it into nice cars, 190 00:09:02,667 --> 00:09:05,003 very good clothes, having a nice place to live, 191 00:09:05,045 --> 00:09:07,047 and projecting an image 192 00:09:07,088 --> 00:09:08,840 of somebody who had a lot of money. 193 00:09:10,216 --> 00:09:12,135 - Talking to those who knew him best, 194 00:09:12,177 --> 00:09:14,137 authorities flesh out the portrait 195 00:09:14,179 --> 00:09:17,766 of this larger-than-life O.C. entrepreneur. 196 00:09:17,807 --> 00:09:20,352 - My name is Yvonne Hill. 197 00:09:20,393 --> 00:09:23,271 I was Jimmy's friend. 198 00:09:23,313 --> 00:09:25,857 I felt always like I was his younger sister. 199 00:09:25,899 --> 00:09:28,318 My mom was dating his dad. 200 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,154 He was so much fun. 201 00:09:31,196 --> 00:09:34,616 He always had a different girlfriend. 202 00:09:36,618 --> 00:09:39,412 - He really looked at her as his sister. 203 00:09:39,454 --> 00:09:42,248 He would drive down Rodeo drive 204 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:44,417 and take her in his Rolls Royce 205 00:09:44,459 --> 00:09:46,920 to check out Beverly Hills. 206 00:09:46,961 --> 00:09:50,215 When he went to the Oscars, he took her as his plus one. 207 00:09:50,256 --> 00:09:53,760 - He actually took me to buy a really nice outfit 208 00:09:53,802 --> 00:09:55,720 to wear there, yeah. 209 00:09:55,762 --> 00:09:57,764 And then on the other hand, 210 00:09:57,806 --> 00:09:59,683 I believe Jimmy was a really good dad 211 00:09:59,724 --> 00:10:02,185 to his son, Shane. 212 00:10:02,227 --> 00:10:05,313 He made sure that Shane didn't go without anything 213 00:10:05,355 --> 00:10:09,317 and took him on his own to places. 214 00:10:09,359 --> 00:10:12,362 Jimmy lived with one foot in his projects. 215 00:10:12,404 --> 00:10:15,323 - And these projects included business ventures 216 00:10:15,365 --> 00:10:18,910 that raised eyebrows in conservative Orange County. 217 00:10:18,952 --> 00:10:22,288 - Jimmy Casino owned the Mustang Ranch, a bar, 218 00:10:22,330 --> 00:10:27,002 which was a considerable issue for law enforcement 219 00:10:27,043 --> 00:10:31,798 due to the type of clientele that showed up there. 220 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:37,137 - The Mustang was a restaurant before, 221 00:10:37,178 --> 00:10:40,724 and then it was bikini only at first. 222 00:10:40,765 --> 00:10:43,059 And then it went topless. 223 00:10:43,101 --> 00:10:44,853 - Could this risqué establishment 224 00:10:44,894 --> 00:10:47,689 have roots in something more menacing? 225 00:10:47,731 --> 00:10:49,858 Something that led to Jimmy's murder? 226 00:10:49,899 --> 00:10:51,234 - As far as I knew, 227 00:10:51,276 --> 00:10:54,821 Jimmy Casino owned a topless bar in Santa Ana, 228 00:10:54,863 --> 00:10:57,323 and he had connections. 229 00:10:57,365 --> 00:10:59,701 [gunshot echoing] 230 00:11:02,412 --> 00:11:03,496 - You wouldn't expect to find 231 00:11:03,538 --> 00:11:05,290 organized crime in Orange County, 232 00:11:05,331 --> 00:11:07,459 but that's because they don't want to be found. 233 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:08,835 - When you see that kind of money 234 00:11:08,877 --> 00:11:10,420 that's being made there, 235 00:11:10,462 --> 00:11:13,757 that's always gonna be very attractive to organized crime. 236 00:11:13,798 --> 00:11:16,134 What are the connections and who's behind all this? 237 00:11:16,176 --> 00:11:19,137 Who killed Jimmy Casino? 238 00:11:19,179 --> 00:11:22,140 [dramatic music] 239 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:29,481 [dramatic music] 240 00:11:29,522 --> 00:11:31,107 * * 241 00:11:31,149 --> 00:11:34,110 [waves crashing] 242 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,242 - Just two days into 1987, 243 00:11:41,284 --> 00:11:43,244 the hunt is on for two men 244 00:11:43,286 --> 00:11:46,373 who killed Buena Park businessman Jimmy Casino, 245 00:11:46,414 --> 00:11:49,209 and raped his girlfriend, Shelly Fisher. 246 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:52,045 Investigators know time is of the essence, 247 00:11:52,087 --> 00:11:53,922 so when they get a promising lead, 248 00:11:53,963 --> 00:11:57,842 they hope it will help break the case. 249 00:11:57,884 --> 00:12:01,137 - The investigation took a turn towards something 250 00:12:01,179 --> 00:12:04,474 the day after the murder on January 3rd. 251 00:12:07,102 --> 00:12:09,145 - My name is Larry Welborn, and in 1987, 252 00:12:09,187 --> 00:12:12,357 I was a staff writer for the Orange County Register. 253 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:14,109 The cars were found 254 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:16,569 about five miles from the crime scene. 255 00:12:16,611 --> 00:12:18,279 When the police dusted the two cars, 256 00:12:18,321 --> 00:12:19,447 the Camaro and the Mercedes, 257 00:12:19,489 --> 00:12:21,074 they didn't find any fingerprints. 258 00:12:21,116 --> 00:12:22,367 They didn't find any evidence. 259 00:12:23,493 --> 00:12:23,993 Nothing they could link back to the crime 260 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:26,454 on January 2nd, 1987. 261 00:12:29,332 --> 00:12:31,459 - When the vehicle search comes up empty, 262 00:12:31,501 --> 00:12:33,920 detectives turn to Jimmy's past 263 00:12:33,962 --> 00:12:37,048 to see if anyone may have put a target on his back. 264 00:12:38,174 --> 00:12:40,176 - The bottom line is 265 00:12:40,218 --> 00:12:42,554 Jimmy Casino hustled people. 266 00:12:42,595 --> 00:12:44,639 And I think to the point 267 00:12:44,681 --> 00:12:46,975 where he knew he was never gonna pay them back 268 00:12:47,017 --> 00:12:50,645 in the first place. 269 00:12:50,687 --> 00:12:52,981 - You know, once we dug down deep into his character, 270 00:12:53,023 --> 00:12:54,232 we found that he had some 271 00:12:54,274 --> 00:12:55,900 shadowy things in his background. 272 00:13:00,238 --> 00:13:03,950 - After prison, Jimmy did seem like a changed person. 273 00:13:03,992 --> 00:13:05,493 He wasn't like a criminal, 274 00:13:05,535 --> 00:13:09,497 but he just got into some really bad deals. 275 00:13:09,539 --> 00:13:13,668 I think Jimmy had some really bad luck. 276 00:13:13,710 --> 00:13:16,171 - But Jimmy hoped his newest business venture, 277 00:13:16,212 --> 00:13:19,466 the Mustang Theater, would prove to be different. 278 00:13:19,507 --> 00:13:20,925 - In the entire United States, 279 00:13:20,967 --> 00:13:22,177 there was no place more conservative 280 00:13:22,218 --> 00:13:23,887 than Orange County. 281 00:13:25,430 --> 00:13:27,265 - At the time the Mustang was opening, 282 00:13:27,307 --> 00:13:29,184 it was a wildly controversial idea. 283 00:13:29,225 --> 00:13:30,894 Frankly, very unpopular. 284 00:13:30,935 --> 00:13:32,354 It was certainly an open question 285 00:13:32,395 --> 00:13:34,522 as to whether or not it would be legal or not. 286 00:13:34,564 --> 00:13:37,567 - I think that eight out of ten judges in Orange County 287 00:13:37,609 --> 00:13:39,402 who would have heard that case who said, 288 00:13:39,444 --> 00:13:41,154 "No, it's not freedom of expression. 289 00:13:41,196 --> 00:13:42,655 It's not protected by the first amendment." 290 00:13:42,697 --> 00:13:44,991 They got the right judge at the right time. 291 00:13:45,033 --> 00:13:46,451 And boom, there you go. 292 00:13:46,493 --> 00:13:48,286 They got permission to open up a topless bar 293 00:13:48,328 --> 00:13:49,621 in Orange County. 294 00:13:49,662 --> 00:13:52,499 - Jimmy Casino was a salesman. 295 00:13:52,540 --> 00:13:54,084 Like, a super salesman. 296 00:13:54,125 --> 00:13:56,961 Whatever he had his eyes on, he could sell. 297 00:13:57,003 --> 00:14:00,006 And he could probably sell ice to people in Alaska. 298 00:14:00,048 --> 00:14:03,468 You know, putting a topless theater 299 00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:06,346 in Santa Ana was a winning proposition. 300 00:14:06,388 --> 00:14:10,558 And it did. It was a very money-making proposition. 301 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:15,063 - The Mustang was the largest topless club in the area 302 00:14:15,105 --> 00:14:17,607 and a lot of people came to check it out. 303 00:14:19,275 --> 00:14:23,446 He finally found his niche. 304 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,532 - Police learn that after 305 00:14:25,573 --> 00:14:28,660 Jimmy's run of failed businesses, 306 00:14:28,702 --> 00:14:32,580 he finally struck gold with the Mustang. 307 00:14:32,622 --> 00:14:34,165 - The Mustang, right off the bat, 308 00:14:34,207 --> 00:14:37,585 is just seeing a lot of money coming in. 309 00:14:37,627 --> 00:14:40,130 Very lucrative. And so investigators find 310 00:14:40,171 --> 00:14:44,342 that's attracting a lot of attention. 311 00:14:44,384 --> 00:14:45,635 - And some of the attention 312 00:14:46,761 --> 00:14:47,637 came from characters who were involved in 313 00:14:48,763 --> 00:14:49,639 a different kind of organization, 314 00:14:50,306 --> 00:14:53,309 the Orange County mafia. 315 00:14:53,351 --> 00:14:55,562 - You see that kind of money that's being-- 316 00:14:55,603 --> 00:14:57,313 that's being made there, 317 00:14:57,355 --> 00:15:01,484 that's always gonna be very attractive to organized crime. 318 00:15:01,526 --> 00:15:04,612 There's all kinds of suspicion and rumors. 319 00:15:04,654 --> 00:15:06,614 Prostitution is happening out of there. 320 00:15:06,656 --> 00:15:08,116 You're certainly attracting people 321 00:15:08,158 --> 00:15:11,286 who are coming and using drugs. 322 00:15:11,327 --> 00:15:14,289 It's just a place for criminals to come 323 00:15:14,330 --> 00:15:16,166 and meet each other. 324 00:15:18,335 --> 00:15:19,377 - You wouldn't expect to find 325 00:15:19,419 --> 00:15:21,254 organized crime in Orange County, 326 00:15:21,296 --> 00:15:23,798 but that's because they don't want to be found. 327 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,092 - Through the investigations, we had found out 328 00:15:26,134 --> 00:15:29,387 he had more connections with the mob 329 00:15:29,429 --> 00:15:31,723 and money laundering and things like that 330 00:15:31,765 --> 00:15:34,476 involving the bar. 331 00:15:34,517 --> 00:15:36,227 - Law enforcement is kind of drawing up the list 332 00:15:36,269 --> 00:15:38,229 of potential suspects. 333 00:15:38,271 --> 00:15:39,481 People who are the muscle 334 00:15:39,522 --> 00:15:41,232 within the local organized crime 335 00:15:41,274 --> 00:15:44,194 are gonna be looked at. 336 00:15:44,235 --> 00:15:48,490 Jimmy Casino and his nightclub, The Mustang, 337 00:15:48,531 --> 00:15:50,450 this was a candle that burned very bright 338 00:15:50,492 --> 00:15:52,786 and attracted a lot of moths to it. 339 00:15:58,041 --> 00:16:01,294 Jimmy owed people money and wouldn't pay, 340 00:16:01,336 --> 00:16:05,298 and he was getting paid back for not paying his debts. 341 00:16:05,340 --> 00:16:07,175 - Police came out and talked to me. 342 00:16:07,217 --> 00:16:11,513 I thought somebody had sent those guys 343 00:16:11,554 --> 00:16:16,726 to rough him up and steal his stuff 344 00:16:16,768 --> 00:16:19,437 because he owed-- 345 00:16:19,479 --> 00:16:23,149 well, he owed a couple people money. 346 00:16:23,191 --> 00:16:24,818 - Because of his lifestyle, 347 00:16:24,859 --> 00:16:26,152 I don't think he owed 348 00:16:26,194 --> 00:16:27,445 a little bit of money to people, 349 00:16:27,487 --> 00:16:30,573 I think he owed a lot of money to people. 350 00:16:34,244 --> 00:16:37,706 - With Jimmy Casino owing so much money to so many, 351 00:16:37,747 --> 00:16:40,208 investigators have their work cut out for them, 352 00:16:40,250 --> 00:16:42,085 but they soon get a hot lead 353 00:16:42,127 --> 00:16:45,088 that just might help break the case. 354 00:16:47,757 --> 00:16:50,385 - So five days after the murder, the big break comes. 355 00:16:50,427 --> 00:16:53,722 What seems like it might be the big break. 356 00:16:53,763 --> 00:16:57,267 Investigators are alerted that Jimmy Casino's credit card, 357 00:16:57,308 --> 00:16:58,727 his American Express card, 358 00:16:58,768 --> 00:17:01,604 has been presented to a clerk at a department store, 359 00:17:01,646 --> 00:17:03,231 about 50 miles away from the place 360 00:17:03,273 --> 00:17:06,234 where Jimmy was killed. 361 00:17:06,276 --> 00:17:07,652 - The fact that Jimmy's cards, 362 00:17:07,694 --> 00:17:09,446 Jimmy Casino's cards, were taken 363 00:17:10,905 --> 00:17:12,741 and somebody tried to use them in a very short period of time 364 00:17:12,782 --> 00:17:16,411 after he was killed, to me was huge. 365 00:17:16,453 --> 00:17:18,163 - We suddenly had our first real lead. 366 00:17:21,499 --> 00:17:24,502 [dramatic music] 367 00:17:29,591 --> 00:17:32,552 [dramatic music] 368 00:17:32,594 --> 00:17:35,472 * * 369 00:17:36,264 --> 00:17:36,765 - It's been five days 370 00:17:37,932 --> 00:17:39,225 since O.C. club owner, Jimmy Casino, 371 00:17:40,393 --> 00:17:41,519 and his girlfriend were attacked in his home, 372 00:17:41,561 --> 00:17:43,855 leaving Jimmy dead. 373 00:17:43,897 --> 00:17:46,232 Thanks to the quick actions of a store clerk, 374 00:17:46,274 --> 00:17:47,609 police now have a hit 375 00:17:47,650 --> 00:17:50,570 on one of Jimmy's stolen credit cards. 376 00:17:50,612 --> 00:17:53,406 - Two men were seen using the cards at a store 377 00:17:53,448 --> 00:17:54,532 and they made a purchase. 378 00:17:55,492 --> 00:17:55,909 They were at a department store 379 00:17:57,035 --> 00:17:58,328 and when the clerk ran the credit card, 380 00:17:58,370 --> 00:18:00,663 it came back as a "homicide hold." 381 00:18:00,705 --> 00:18:05,210 The clerk contacted security to come and get these guys. 382 00:18:05,251 --> 00:18:08,254 - As the clerk is trying to alert law enforcement, 383 00:18:08,296 --> 00:18:10,298 the two men, they turn and run 384 00:18:10,340 --> 00:18:12,342 and flee from the department store. 385 00:18:15,762 --> 00:18:19,516 But the police are almost there. 386 00:18:19,557 --> 00:18:22,394 And so law enforcement gives chase. 387 00:18:24,729 --> 00:18:27,899 And it becomes a bit of a lengthy car chase. 388 00:18:31,528 --> 00:18:33,405 And finally, two men are taken into custody. 389 00:18:35,907 --> 00:18:38,576 These are extremely strong suspects: 390 00:18:39,536 --> 00:18:42,789 Mark Corbett, and Joseph Orozco. 391 00:18:42,831 --> 00:18:45,542 Corbett and Orozco now are in possession 392 00:18:45,583 --> 00:18:48,253 of Jimmy Casino's credit card 393 00:18:48,294 --> 00:18:49,963 that was taken during the murder. 394 00:18:50,005 --> 00:18:52,298 There's a direct trace between them 395 00:18:52,340 --> 00:18:53,925 and the murder victim. 396 00:18:53,967 --> 00:18:56,261 - Detectives immediately do a background check 397 00:18:56,302 --> 00:18:59,264 on Mark Corbett and Joseph Orozco, 398 00:18:59,305 --> 00:19:01,558 and soon learn about their questionable pasts 399 00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:03,476 and connections. 400 00:19:03,518 --> 00:19:05,520 - Mark Corbett had the more established criminal history. 401 00:19:05,562 --> 00:19:08,565 He'd been in jail and had some connection 402 00:19:08,606 --> 00:19:11,901 to the more seedier aspects of Orange County, 403 00:19:11,943 --> 00:19:14,279 the real mob. 404 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,739 - These are people that frequented 405 00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:18,992 the Mustang Theater. 406 00:19:19,034 --> 00:19:21,286 So that gives you the hope that we're gonna be able 407 00:19:21,327 --> 00:19:23,329 to develop a motive of why it was 408 00:19:23,371 --> 00:19:26,624 that they wanted to kill Jimmy Casino. 409 00:19:26,666 --> 00:19:29,044 - Mike Corbett and Joe Orozco, 410 00:19:29,085 --> 00:19:31,421 their explanation was 411 00:19:31,463 --> 00:19:35,383 Joe had found the credit cards in a parking lot 412 00:19:35,425 --> 00:19:38,345 and he took them to Corbett, 413 00:19:38,386 --> 00:19:40,597 and they were gonna pass them. 414 00:19:40,638 --> 00:19:43,933 - The two men in custody seem like promising suspects, 415 00:19:43,975 --> 00:19:47,062 but investigators need proof that Corbett and Orozco 416 00:19:47,103 --> 00:19:49,856 are more than just petty thieves. 417 00:19:49,898 --> 00:19:52,692 - And the police are aware that this timeline is ticking. 418 00:19:52,734 --> 00:19:55,487 You know, we have to have enough evidence to file 419 00:19:55,528 --> 00:19:56,946 or else these men get out of jail. 420 00:19:56,988 --> 00:19:59,449 And they're working hard and they get a search warrant 421 00:19:59,491 --> 00:20:01,076 and they go to Mark Corbett's house, 422 00:20:01,117 --> 00:20:03,620 and they turn it all over looking for evidence. 423 00:20:03,661 --> 00:20:05,747 They find some .22 caliber ammunition, 424 00:20:05,789 --> 00:20:08,541 the same caliber as the murder weapon. 425 00:20:08,583 --> 00:20:11,419 But there's nothing that-- 426 00:20:11,461 --> 00:20:13,088 particular about that ammunition, 427 00:20:13,129 --> 00:20:14,339 there's no fingerprints, 428 00:20:14,381 --> 00:20:16,966 there's nothing that directly links them, 429 00:20:17,008 --> 00:20:20,970 Corbett or Orozco, to the crime scene itself. 430 00:20:21,012 --> 00:20:22,972 - Investigators really couldn't establish 431 00:20:23,014 --> 00:20:25,517 any further connection to the crime scene, 432 00:20:25,558 --> 00:20:29,771 and so Joseph Orozco and Mark Corbett were released. 433 00:20:29,813 --> 00:20:31,690 - With the only two suspects released 434 00:20:31,731 --> 00:20:33,483 due to lack of evidence, 435 00:20:33,525 --> 00:20:35,735 investigators check out their acquaintances 436 00:20:35,777 --> 00:20:38,697 to look for any possible connection. 437 00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:41,157 - Somebody who knew Mark Corbett-- 438 00:20:41,199 --> 00:20:43,660 there was another individual in the mix there-- 439 00:20:43,702 --> 00:20:45,662 was Richard Morris. 440 00:20:45,704 --> 00:20:46,871 He had some criminal background 441 00:20:47,872 --> 00:20:48,665 but that was up in the Pasadena area. 442 00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:52,419 In 1987, a few months after the killing of Jimmy Casino, 443 00:20:52,460 --> 00:20:53,753 Richard Morris, 444 00:20:53,795 --> 00:20:56,548 he had been stopped by the Pasadena police, 445 00:20:56,589 --> 00:20:58,883 questioned, he was under suspicion 446 00:20:58,925 --> 00:21:01,761 of a robbery murder that happened in Pasadena. 447 00:21:01,803 --> 00:21:03,847 He'd actually told Pasadena police 448 00:21:03,888 --> 00:21:06,808 that he had some knowledge about an Orange County murder. 449 00:21:07,726 --> 00:21:10,979 - He was a real "Chatty Cathy," talking about his buddies. 450 00:21:11,021 --> 00:21:14,566 Morris admits his friend, Mark Corbett, 451 00:21:14,607 --> 00:21:16,860 the same guy who had Casino's credit cards, 452 00:21:16,901 --> 00:21:20,739 told him he was paid $10,000 to kill a guy in Orange County 453 00:21:20,780 --> 00:21:23,408 several months earlier. 454 00:21:23,450 --> 00:21:25,785 Morris is doing what they all do: 455 00:21:25,827 --> 00:21:27,829 he's rolling over on his partner, 456 00:21:27,871 --> 00:21:33,126 is what he's doing here, which is so, so, so common. 457 00:21:33,168 --> 00:21:36,838 - Common or not, investigators want to talk to Corbett again. 458 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,424 But when they reach out, they learn he left the state 459 00:21:39,466 --> 00:21:41,468 and are unable to track him down, 460 00:21:41,509 --> 00:21:44,220 leaving investigators back at square one. 461 00:21:44,262 --> 00:21:47,057 - The Mustang Theater was making a lot of money, 462 00:21:47,098 --> 00:21:50,894 like $150,000 a month, and despite all that, 463 00:21:50,935 --> 00:21:54,481 Jimmy Casino still couldn't pay back his debts. 464 00:21:54,522 --> 00:21:57,567 - As detectives dig into Jimmy Casino's business dealings, 465 00:21:57,609 --> 00:21:59,903 they learn about an associate who they hope 466 00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:03,490 can provide some insight into who Jimmy owed money to. 467 00:22:03,531 --> 00:22:05,200 - Gene Lesher was a financier, 468 00:22:05,241 --> 00:22:07,535 and Jimmy Casino convinced him 469 00:22:07,577 --> 00:22:09,079 to help put up some of the money 470 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,206 for the Mustang Theater. 471 00:22:11,247 --> 00:22:13,124 - Gene Lesher tells law enforcement 472 00:22:13,166 --> 00:22:16,127 that Jimmy was deep in debt to Bill Carroll, 473 00:22:16,169 --> 00:22:18,463 and obviously, Bill wanted his money back. 474 00:22:18,505 --> 00:22:20,924 Bill even filed a lawsuit against Jimmy, 475 00:22:20,965 --> 00:22:22,759 claiming that Jimmy owed him money 476 00:22:22,801 --> 00:22:24,761 and Bill wanted to collect. 477 00:22:24,803 --> 00:22:27,681 - Bill Carroll was an investor in The Mustang 478 00:22:27,722 --> 00:22:31,768 and did loan Jimmy a lot of money 479 00:22:31,810 --> 00:22:35,522 and was wanting his payments. 480 00:22:35,563 --> 00:22:37,941 - Bill Carroll, he's got ties to the Mustang Theater, 481 00:22:37,982 --> 00:22:39,776 he's got connections in the mob. 482 00:22:39,818 --> 00:22:41,111 - When you owe money to the mob, 483 00:22:41,152 --> 00:22:42,779 you've got a problem. 484 00:22:42,821 --> 00:22:44,823 And Jimmy Casino was into Bill Carroll 485 00:22:44,864 --> 00:22:47,617 for at least couple hundred thousand. 486 00:22:47,659 --> 00:22:49,619 Bill is not the kind of guy you want to owe money to. 487 00:22:49,661 --> 00:22:52,997 That had to be looked at as a strong motive here. 488 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:55,667 - With mob money and murder motives, 489 00:22:55,709 --> 00:22:59,504 Bill Carroll has all the makings of a lead suspect, 490 00:22:59,546 --> 00:23:02,882 but police may never get a chance to question him. 491 00:23:02,924 --> 00:23:05,635 - So fast forward to May 1st, 1987, 492 00:23:05,677 --> 00:23:08,638 just a few months after the killing of Jimmy Casino, 493 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,182 something else pretty extraordinary happens. 494 00:23:12,058 --> 00:23:14,978 What looks like a dead body turns up in the Costa Mesa 495 00:23:15,020 --> 00:23:17,188 Performing Arts parking lot. 496 00:23:17,230 --> 00:23:18,773 The man is Bill Carroll, 497 00:23:18,815 --> 00:23:21,609 and he's got three bullet wounds to the head. 498 00:23:23,945 --> 00:23:25,655 - An eyewitness said that this victim 499 00:23:25,697 --> 00:23:27,991 had been in a car with two other men 500 00:23:28,033 --> 00:23:30,618 and that he'd gotten three shots to the back of the head 501 00:23:30,660 --> 00:23:32,662 and then been thrown out of the car. 502 00:23:32,704 --> 00:23:35,832 - Carroll had money invested in the bar, 503 00:23:35,874 --> 00:23:37,917 and somebody didn't feel like 504 00:23:37,959 --> 00:23:39,586 they were getting their fair share 505 00:23:39,627 --> 00:23:42,088 of all of the money that that bar was making. 506 00:23:42,130 --> 00:23:44,591 They think that's how they do business, so. 507 00:23:46,217 --> 00:23:48,845 - This was another execution-style murder, 508 00:23:48,887 --> 00:23:51,181 except somehow, 509 00:23:51,222 --> 00:23:53,850 Bill Carroll survived. 510 00:23:53,892 --> 00:23:56,811 He is blinded as a result of the gunshots, 511 00:23:56,853 --> 00:23:58,146 but he won't talk. 512 00:23:58,188 --> 00:24:00,023 He's completely uncooperative. 513 00:24:00,065 --> 00:24:04,110 And so that kind of reaches a dead-end right at that point. 514 00:24:04,152 --> 00:24:07,697 - With Mustang front man Jimmy Casino already executed, 515 00:24:07,739 --> 00:24:09,616 and what looks like a hit on his money man, 516 00:24:09,657 --> 00:24:11,034 Bill Carroll, 517 00:24:11,076 --> 00:24:14,079 police are certain the two are connected. 518 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:15,789 - When it comes to The Mustang, 519 00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:17,123 investigators have to start to wonder 520 00:24:18,291 --> 00:24:19,709 if there's going to be much more cold-blooded, 521 00:24:20,669 --> 00:24:23,088 premeditated, deliberate murder. 522 00:24:23,129 --> 00:24:26,091 [dramatic music] 523 00:24:30,762 --> 00:24:33,640 [dramatic music] 524 00:24:34,099 --> 00:24:35,058 * * 525 00:24:39,813 --> 00:24:42,774 - While police search for Jimmy Casino's killers, 526 00:24:42,816 --> 00:24:45,652 Bill Carroll, a top investor at the Mustang Theatre 527 00:24:45,694 --> 00:24:46,986 is gunned down, 528 00:24:47,028 --> 00:24:49,823 but miraculously survives. 529 00:24:49,864 --> 00:24:52,033 Detectives now feel the two shootings 530 00:24:52,075 --> 00:24:56,788 are related to Orange County organized crime. 531 00:24:56,830 --> 00:24:58,123 - Now that Bill Carroll has been shot 532 00:24:58,164 --> 00:25:00,333 after Jimmy Casino is shot, 533 00:25:00,375 --> 00:25:03,294 something's very active in the community 534 00:25:03,336 --> 00:25:05,463 that's causing all this violence. 535 00:25:05,505 --> 00:25:09,092 And law enforcement is pouring resources into it 536 00:25:09,134 --> 00:25:10,969 and looking very closely to try to figure out 537 00:25:11,011 --> 00:25:12,220 what are the connections 538 00:25:12,262 --> 00:25:13,972 and who's behind all this? 539 00:25:14,014 --> 00:25:15,807 And what always keeps coming up 540 00:25:15,849 --> 00:25:17,851 is the people that law enforcement is looking at, 541 00:25:17,892 --> 00:25:20,437 they all have ties to the Mustang Theater. 542 00:25:23,857 --> 00:25:25,817 - As we reported this story, now it looks like 543 00:25:25,859 --> 00:25:28,319 maybe Bill Carroll had Jimmy Casino whacked 544 00:25:28,361 --> 00:25:31,823 because he wanted more control of the Mustang. 545 00:25:31,865 --> 00:25:33,825 - But if Bill put the hit out on Jimmy, 546 00:25:33,867 --> 00:25:36,995 then who put the hit out on Bill? 547 00:25:37,037 --> 00:25:39,706 As if police don't have enough burning questions, 548 00:25:39,748 --> 00:25:41,124 the entity at the center of it all 549 00:25:41,166 --> 00:25:43,043 goes up in smoke. 550 00:25:47,088 --> 00:25:50,425 - January 1988, Mustang Ranch burned down. 551 00:25:50,467 --> 00:25:52,927 - I mean, right in the middle of all these shootings, 552 00:25:52,969 --> 00:25:55,805 in the middle of the night, the place goes up in flames. 553 00:25:55,847 --> 00:25:58,099 But nobody ends up being killed. 554 00:26:00,143 --> 00:26:02,145 - The madness and mayhem of the Mustang 555 00:26:02,187 --> 00:26:04,189 continues into the spring, 556 00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:08,485 when police are notified of an all-too-familiar scenario. 557 00:26:09,527 --> 00:26:11,946 - On March 12th of 1988, 558 00:26:11,988 --> 00:26:14,866 there's a body found in a parking lot. 559 00:26:14,908 --> 00:26:17,243 - He was a bouncer at the Mustang, 560 00:26:17,285 --> 00:26:20,455 a known muscle man for the mob, 561 00:26:20,497 --> 00:26:24,042 and he turns up in an Irvine industrial complex parking lot, 562 00:26:24,084 --> 00:26:25,251 middle of the night, 563 00:26:25,293 --> 00:26:28,296 gunshot wound to the head from close range. 564 00:26:28,338 --> 00:26:32,133 - That's the third so-called execution-style hit, 565 00:26:32,175 --> 00:26:34,302 or would-be hit out of the Mustang 566 00:26:34,344 --> 00:26:36,930 in less than 15 months. 567 00:26:36,971 --> 00:26:39,474 This story keeps getting bigger and wilder and crazier. 568 00:26:41,226 --> 00:26:43,478 - After Jimmy was killed, 569 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,815 I did not go back to the Mustang. 570 00:26:46,856 --> 00:26:50,944 I was really upset and shocked when I heard that 571 00:26:50,985 --> 00:26:56,116 one of our bouncers also got shot. 572 00:26:56,157 --> 00:26:57,826 That was pretty scary, 573 00:26:57,867 --> 00:27:02,288 being that he was involved in the Mustang also. 574 00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:04,916 I don't like to remember it all. 575 00:27:06,459 --> 00:27:09,087 - After Jimmy Casino was murdered, 576 00:27:09,129 --> 00:27:12,090 there subsequently was more fallout. 577 00:27:12,132 --> 00:27:13,425 And when you look at it, 578 00:27:13,466 --> 00:27:16,428 they don't necessarily all tie together 579 00:27:16,469 --> 00:27:19,055 other than the fact that they are all somehow 580 00:27:19,097 --> 00:27:23,101 involved in the Mustang. 581 00:27:23,143 --> 00:27:24,477 - So although there seemed to be some connections 582 00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:26,146 with the shootings, 583 00:27:26,187 --> 00:27:27,439 nothing was able to be 584 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,858 definitively linked by investigators, 585 00:27:29,899 --> 00:27:32,277 and we're still left wondering who killed Jimmy Casino. 586 00:27:35,488 --> 00:27:38,074 Then in October 1988, 587 00:27:38,116 --> 00:27:40,952 police get an unexpected phone call from Bill Carroll. 588 00:27:40,994 --> 00:27:42,620 He hadn't wanted to talk to the police 589 00:27:42,662 --> 00:27:45,832 at the time that he got shot and blinded. 590 00:27:45,874 --> 00:27:47,542 He says he's ready to talk. 591 00:27:47,584 --> 00:27:50,128 Bill Carroll tells the police that the people who shot him 592 00:27:50,170 --> 00:27:52,505 were hitmen for the mafia. 593 00:27:52,547 --> 00:27:54,341 - Bill Carroll seems to confirm 594 00:27:54,382 --> 00:27:56,051 investigators' suspicions 595 00:27:56,092 --> 00:27:57,927 that organized crime is to blame 596 00:27:57,969 --> 00:28:00,513 for the violence connected to the Mustang Theater, 597 00:28:00,555 --> 00:28:04,392 but suspicions carry no weight without actual evidence. 598 00:28:04,434 --> 00:28:06,603 - Further investigation doesn't show any link 599 00:28:06,644 --> 00:28:10,106 between these two men and the Jimmy Casino murder. 600 00:28:10,148 --> 00:28:13,902 No fingerprints, nothing else places them in the home 601 00:28:13,943 --> 00:28:15,320 on the night of the murder. 602 00:28:15,362 --> 00:28:17,030 - The men who shot Bill Carroll 603 00:28:17,072 --> 00:28:18,990 are convicted of his attempted murder, 604 00:28:19,032 --> 00:28:20,867 but fearing they'll be next, 605 00:28:20,909 --> 00:28:23,495 no one with ties to the Mustang comes forward 606 00:28:23,536 --> 00:28:26,623 with helpful information about Jimmy Casino's murder 607 00:28:26,664 --> 00:28:29,167 and the case goes cold. 608 00:28:29,209 --> 00:28:32,504 - It was really hard waiting to find out 609 00:28:32,545 --> 00:28:34,381 exactly what had happened to Jimmy. 610 00:28:35,465 --> 00:28:37,008 - Part of your motivation 611 00:28:37,050 --> 00:28:38,510 in wanting to solve a crime like this 612 00:28:38,551 --> 00:28:40,553 is to do justice for the victims. 613 00:28:40,595 --> 00:28:44,015 It is very much a motivator and it can be frustrating 614 00:28:44,057 --> 00:28:49,354 to not be able to bring about that justice for them. 615 00:28:49,396 --> 00:28:52,440 - More than 11 years go by with no leads, 616 00:28:52,482 --> 00:28:55,527 but in 2001, an incarcerated mobster 617 00:28:55,568 --> 00:28:57,529 claims he has pertinent information 618 00:28:57,570 --> 00:29:00,407 that could turn the case upside down. 619 00:29:00,448 --> 00:29:01,950 - The case was cold, 620 00:29:01,991 --> 00:29:04,661 but the DA's office is still working on it. 621 00:29:04,703 --> 00:29:07,038 They'd still like to try to solve that case. 622 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,540 And they hear that there's someone imprisoned 623 00:29:08,581 --> 00:29:10,959 who wants to talk to them and maybe make a deal. 624 00:29:11,001 --> 00:29:14,379 So enter Frank Randazzo. 625 00:29:14,421 --> 00:29:17,215 - Frank Randazzo is another person with ties to the mob. 626 00:29:17,257 --> 00:29:20,093 He's certainly a person that's around the Mustang. 627 00:29:20,135 --> 00:29:22,137 - At the time, Frank was in prison 628 00:29:22,178 --> 00:29:25,348 for some other crime that he had committed. 629 00:29:25,390 --> 00:29:26,641 - So he's in poor health. 630 00:29:26,683 --> 00:29:27,976 He would like to get out earlier. 631 00:29:28,018 --> 00:29:29,519 He tells the DA's office that 632 00:29:29,561 --> 00:29:33,106 he'd like to see if he could cut a deal to get out earlier. 633 00:29:33,148 --> 00:29:36,317 - He always was in a position that he want to offer 634 00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:39,237 a fair trade somehow, and involve himself, 635 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:42,282 and "Well, I can tell you this if you'll do this." 636 00:29:42,323 --> 00:29:45,577 So he was a wheeler-dealer type of guy. 637 00:29:45,618 --> 00:29:48,038 - Frank Randazzo claims to have information 638 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:50,081 about the Jimmy Casino murder. 639 00:29:50,123 --> 00:29:52,042 So police come, and they're all ears, 640 00:29:52,083 --> 00:29:55,170 tape recorders are rolling, and Frank lays out this story 641 00:29:55,211 --> 00:29:57,547 of how the Jimmy Casino murder went down. 642 00:30:09,517 --> 00:30:11,269 - The information Frank Randazzo gave us 643 00:30:11,311 --> 00:30:12,645 was promising. 644 00:30:12,687 --> 00:30:14,981 - It's like bullseye, bingo. 645 00:30:15,023 --> 00:30:16,524 This is the kind of powerful evidence 646 00:30:16,566 --> 00:30:18,151 tied to the crime scene 647 00:30:18,193 --> 00:30:19,652 that has been the missing element. 648 00:30:19,694 --> 00:30:21,988 - After almost 30 years, I get a phone call 649 00:30:22,030 --> 00:30:23,573 from the Orange County DA's office saying 650 00:30:23,615 --> 00:30:24,741 they have somebody in custody. 651 00:30:24,783 --> 00:30:26,034 I couldn't believe what I was seeing. 652 00:30:29,537 --> 00:30:32,499 [dramatic music] 653 00:30:36,711 --> 00:30:39,547 [dramatic music] 654 00:30:40,006 --> 00:30:46,304 * * 655 00:30:46,346 --> 00:30:48,181 - More than a decade after club owner 656 00:30:48,223 --> 00:30:50,183 Jimmy Casino's execution 657 00:30:50,225 --> 00:30:52,686 and the rape of his girlfriend, Shelly Fisher, 658 00:30:52,727 --> 00:30:54,396 detectives still don't know 659 00:30:54,437 --> 00:30:56,523 who was behind the brazen attack, 660 00:30:56,564 --> 00:30:59,693 but an imprisoned mobster with a penchant for gab 661 00:30:59,734 --> 00:31:02,153 claims he can identify the killers. 662 00:31:02,195 --> 00:31:04,072 - The information Frank Randazzo gave us 663 00:31:04,114 --> 00:31:06,241 was promising to solve this cold case. 664 00:31:07,575 --> 00:31:09,536 - I think Frank was desperate. 665 00:31:09,577 --> 00:31:11,454 He had a heart condition, and the prison system, 666 00:31:11,496 --> 00:31:14,082 they weren't going to do the operation 667 00:31:14,124 --> 00:31:16,710 that Frank Randazzo felt like he needed. 668 00:31:16,751 --> 00:31:20,380 So he started, you know, talking. 669 00:31:20,422 --> 00:31:22,173 Frank Randazzo, when he conveyed the story, 670 00:31:22,215 --> 00:31:23,717 it took the officers a while 671 00:31:23,758 --> 00:31:26,136 to run it down and figure it out. 672 00:31:32,350 --> 00:31:35,186 - Frank Randazzo, he implicated a guy 673 00:31:35,228 --> 00:31:37,272 by the name of Jimmy Sevedra. 674 00:31:56,833 --> 00:32:00,211 - After a period of time, we had learned that 675 00:32:00,253 --> 00:32:01,921 what Frank Randazzo might tell you 676 00:32:01,963 --> 00:32:05,133 might not exactly be all true. 677 00:32:19,814 --> 00:32:22,442 - Police get as many details as they can from Frank, 678 00:32:22,484 --> 00:32:24,152 and they want to corroborate what he's saying. 679 00:32:24,194 --> 00:32:26,529 And they check out every detail they can. 680 00:32:26,571 --> 00:32:27,822 And over and over, 681 00:32:27,864 --> 00:32:29,783 those details are not checking out. 682 00:32:29,824 --> 00:32:32,410 And so, what seemed like a big break 683 00:32:32,452 --> 00:32:34,287 ends up again being a disappointment. 684 00:32:34,329 --> 00:32:36,164 And they go back to Frank and just say, 685 00:32:36,206 --> 00:32:37,457 "Buddy, you're full of it." 686 00:32:37,499 --> 00:32:39,250 And Frank actually ends up admitting that 687 00:32:39,292 --> 00:32:40,669 and saying he was lying to the police. 688 00:32:42,253 --> 00:32:44,214 - Despite yet another dead end, 689 00:32:44,255 --> 00:32:46,216 investigators hold out hope 690 00:32:46,257 --> 00:32:49,552 that someday they'll bring justice to Jimmy's son, Shane, 691 00:32:49,594 --> 00:32:52,639 and girlfriend, Shelly Fisher. 692 00:32:52,681 --> 00:32:55,433 - 2008, 20 years has passed since the murders, 693 00:32:55,475 --> 00:32:58,561 and people's lives, they've moved on. 694 00:32:58,603 --> 00:33:00,605 Shane and Shelly both live in Orange County, 695 00:33:00,647 --> 00:33:02,857 they both have lives, they both have families, 696 00:33:02,899 --> 00:33:05,276 and have gone on 697 00:33:05,318 --> 00:33:06,444 and put this behind them. 698 00:33:07,904 --> 00:33:09,239 - The case goes cold. 699 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,492 I go on, I have two children. 700 00:33:12,534 --> 00:33:15,203 At times, I bring stuff out to show my children and stuff 701 00:33:15,245 --> 00:33:17,831 and we talk about it and often wonder, "What if?" 702 00:33:19,582 --> 00:33:21,751 - Basically, everybody had gone their way, 703 00:33:21,793 --> 00:33:25,338 except the police, who were still trying to figure out 704 00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:27,465 how can they solve that case. 705 00:33:27,507 --> 00:33:29,884 And some people probably died and-- 706 00:33:29,926 --> 00:33:31,428 who were witnesses-- 707 00:33:31,469 --> 00:33:33,596 and a cold case just gets colder. 708 00:33:33,638 --> 00:33:36,266 - And then, seemingly out of the blue, 709 00:33:36,307 --> 00:33:38,435 the cold case that's haunted Orange County 710 00:33:38,476 --> 00:33:40,729 for two decades heats up. 711 00:33:40,770 --> 00:33:42,689 - After almost 30 years, I get a phone call 712 00:33:42,731 --> 00:33:44,524 from the Orange County DA's office saying that 713 00:33:44,566 --> 00:33:46,484 they have somebody in custody. 714 00:33:46,526 --> 00:33:48,653 I couldn't believe what I was hearing. 715 00:33:48,695 --> 00:33:52,782 They had got a hit on the DNA from the rape kit. 716 00:33:52,824 --> 00:33:55,243 - That DNA, collected at the hospital 717 00:33:55,285 --> 00:33:57,704 after Shelly's horrifying rape, 718 00:33:57,746 --> 00:34:00,373 has just been matched to a familiar name, 719 00:34:00,415 --> 00:34:03,501 former suspect Richard Morris. 720 00:34:03,543 --> 00:34:05,628 - Richard Morris was a name familiar to police 721 00:34:05,670 --> 00:34:07,464 because he's the one who claimed 722 00:34:07,505 --> 00:34:09,549 that Mark Corbett had bragged about 723 00:34:09,591 --> 00:34:11,760 killing a man in Orange County. 724 00:34:11,801 --> 00:34:15,889 - This barely known bit player in the crime world 725 00:34:15,930 --> 00:34:17,640 named Richard Morris, 726 00:34:17,682 --> 00:34:20,810 was living on the island of Hawaii. 727 00:34:20,852 --> 00:34:22,395 - He was driving under the influence. 728 00:34:22,437 --> 00:34:23,646 They were able to take a DNA sample 729 00:34:23,688 --> 00:34:26,399 as part of the arrest process. 730 00:34:26,441 --> 00:34:29,569 - And so, Richard Morris' DNA goes into a database. 731 00:34:29,611 --> 00:34:31,905 This is what we call a cold case hit. 732 00:34:31,946 --> 00:34:35,575 There's a prior DNA sample taken from the crime scene. 733 00:34:35,617 --> 00:34:38,286 The rape/murder of Jimmy Casino 734 00:34:38,328 --> 00:34:39,746 and his girlfriend Shelly, 735 00:34:39,788 --> 00:34:42,749 and now it's matched up with a DUI suspect. 736 00:34:44,584 --> 00:34:46,795 - And so, bang, that's what set off the alarm. 737 00:34:46,836 --> 00:34:49,005 And that's when it started the ball rolling. 738 00:36:05,999 --> 00:36:07,459 - Morris denies any involvement 739 00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:08,626 in the rape of Shelly 740 00:36:09,586 --> 00:36:11,671 and/or the murder of James Casino. 741 00:36:11,713 --> 00:36:15,091 - While Morris stonewalls under interrogation in Hawaii, 742 00:36:15,133 --> 00:36:17,594 local authorities are able to hold him in custody 743 00:36:17,635 --> 00:36:19,054 based on the DNA evidence. 744 00:36:21,723 --> 00:36:24,017 - Well, after Richard was incarcerated, 745 00:36:24,059 --> 00:36:26,728 the DA's office was able to get him 746 00:36:26,770 --> 00:36:29,022 returned to the state of California 747 00:36:29,064 --> 00:36:32,859 to face the charges on this case. 748 00:36:32,901 --> 00:36:37,530 - It's like bullseye, bingo. This is it. 749 00:36:37,572 --> 00:36:39,824 This is the kind of powerful evidence 750 00:36:39,866 --> 00:36:41,743 tied to the crime scene 751 00:36:41,785 --> 00:36:42,994 that has been the missing element. 752 00:36:43,036 --> 00:36:44,829 Now we've got him. 753 00:36:44,871 --> 00:36:48,833 Now we know who was inside that house... 754 00:36:51,628 --> 00:36:54,422 On New Year's Day, 1987. 755 00:36:57,759 --> 00:36:59,719 So all our focus is on him, 756 00:36:59,761 --> 00:37:00,970 proving that he was one of the two men 757 00:37:01,012 --> 00:37:03,598 that came inside the home on January 1st. 758 00:37:05,517 --> 00:37:07,060 - Since Orange County prosecutors 759 00:37:07,102 --> 00:37:10,105 have concrete proof Richard was at the scene, 760 00:37:10,146 --> 00:37:12,190 they just need to secure the testimony 761 00:37:12,232 --> 00:37:14,651 to make it stick in court. 762 00:37:14,693 --> 00:37:16,736 - So that's a process and, you know, you kind of gear up 763 00:37:16,778 --> 00:37:18,113 and you get organized, 764 00:37:18,154 --> 00:37:20,115 and you gotta subpoena witnesses, 765 00:37:20,156 --> 00:37:22,659 and there's a lot of work to be done 766 00:37:22,701 --> 00:37:25,578 when it's a case that happened 30 years ago. 767 00:37:25,620 --> 00:37:27,997 So investigators have to go knock on a lot of doors 768 00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:31,584 and follow a lot of leads to find the witnesses. 769 00:37:32,460 --> 00:37:35,005 It's never easy for the victim of sexual assault 770 00:37:35,046 --> 00:37:37,549 to have to go through the legal process. 771 00:37:37,590 --> 00:37:39,676 But a very important person has to be located 772 00:37:39,718 --> 00:37:41,469 and her name's Shelly. 773 00:37:44,180 --> 00:37:47,183 [dramatic music] 774 00:37:51,813 --> 00:37:54,691 [dramatic music] 775 00:37:55,150 --> 00:37:56,067 * * 776 00:38:01,114 --> 00:38:03,033 - More than 25 years after 777 00:38:03,074 --> 00:38:06,536 the presumed mob hit of Jimmy Casino, 778 00:38:06,578 --> 00:38:08,872 police have finally IDed Richard Morris 779 00:38:08,913 --> 00:38:13,043 as one of the men involved in the brutal home invasion. 780 00:38:13,084 --> 00:38:15,879 Improved DNA forensics now pins Morris 781 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,132 to the rape of Jimmy's girlfriend, Shelly Fisher. 782 00:38:19,174 --> 00:38:22,761 - Now we know who was inside that house 783 00:38:22,802 --> 00:38:24,846 on New Year's Day, 1987. 784 00:38:24,888 --> 00:38:27,098 But Richard Morris had no personal reason 785 00:38:27,140 --> 00:38:28,975 to kill Jimmy Casino. 786 00:38:29,017 --> 00:38:30,769 Somebody paid him to do it. 787 00:38:30,810 --> 00:38:33,897 Who paid Morris to go kill Casino? 788 00:38:33,938 --> 00:38:37,275 And Richard Morris sat tight 789 00:38:37,317 --> 00:38:40,070 and kept his mouth closed. 790 00:38:41,071 --> 00:38:42,697 - But does placing him at the scene 791 00:38:42,739 --> 00:38:44,699 mean prosecutors can also secure 792 00:38:44,741 --> 00:38:47,202 a special conviction for Jimmy's murder? 793 00:38:47,243 --> 00:38:50,622 - Law enforcement has databases and Shelly needs to be located 794 00:38:50,663 --> 00:38:51,664 and she's contacted. 795 00:38:51,706 --> 00:38:53,208 For her, it's difficult. 796 00:38:53,249 --> 00:38:54,834 But she kind of does the soul searching 797 00:38:54,876 --> 00:38:59,589 and decides that she's willing to testify. 798 00:38:59,631 --> 00:39:03,301 Richard Morris is charged with the Jimmy Casino murder. 799 00:39:03,343 --> 00:39:06,971 At trial, prosecutors have Shelly's testimony 800 00:39:07,013 --> 00:39:08,932 plus the DNA evidence. 801 00:39:08,973 --> 00:39:10,809 And Shelly, she was very courageous, 802 00:39:10,850 --> 00:39:14,646 came forward and explained at trial, 803 00:39:14,688 --> 00:39:17,065 faced by the accused, 804 00:39:17,107 --> 00:39:19,651 the perpetrator who had done this terrible thing to her, 805 00:39:19,693 --> 00:39:22,946 she explained to everyone in that courtroom what happened. 806 00:39:24,864 --> 00:39:27,033 - During the trial, they basically asked me 807 00:39:27,075 --> 00:39:28,910 to open up the evidence. 808 00:39:28,952 --> 00:39:31,246 And you could imagine, looking at evidence 809 00:39:31,287 --> 00:39:33,164 that's blood that's crumbling down 810 00:39:33,206 --> 00:39:34,874 because it's 30 years old, 811 00:39:34,916 --> 00:39:36,209 it did jog your memory a little bit 812 00:39:36,251 --> 00:39:38,128 as what you're seeing. 813 00:39:38,169 --> 00:39:39,921 - And the evidence that the defense 814 00:39:39,963 --> 00:39:42,841 hopes will pin the murder on two earlier suspects 815 00:39:42,882 --> 00:39:46,011 are Jimmy's stolen credit cards. 816 00:39:46,052 --> 00:39:49,097 - So Morris' defense pointed to the credit card evidence. 817 00:39:49,139 --> 00:39:51,433 The two men that were found with the stolen credit cards 818 00:39:51,474 --> 00:39:52,892 five days after the murder. 819 00:39:52,934 --> 00:39:54,102 They're saying, "Ah, you know, 820 00:39:54,144 --> 00:39:55,770 "there's two murderers, 821 00:39:55,812 --> 00:39:57,063 "and here's two guys with the credit cards. 822 00:39:57,105 --> 00:39:58,398 "It's those two. 823 00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,983 It's Mark Corbett and Joseph Orozco." 824 00:40:00,025 --> 00:40:03,194 Not a very strong argument. 825 00:40:03,236 --> 00:40:05,947 - We have one of the people that were there. 826 00:40:10,243 --> 00:40:11,453 One of the people that were in 827 00:40:11,494 --> 00:40:12,704 Jimmy Casino's apartment that night 828 00:40:12,746 --> 00:40:13,955 was Richard Morris for sure. 829 00:40:13,997 --> 00:40:15,123 I mean, his DNA was there, 830 00:40:15,165 --> 00:40:17,250 the girl was raped, he was there. 831 00:40:17,292 --> 00:40:19,961 - You just can't have these kinds of things go unpunished. 832 00:40:20,003 --> 00:40:21,921 And that's the responsibility of the prosecutor 833 00:40:21,963 --> 00:40:25,091 to bring that evidence forth, to explain the law to the jury, 834 00:40:25,133 --> 00:40:26,760 and to convince them 835 00:40:26,801 --> 00:40:30,805 that the only just verdict would be guilty. 836 00:40:30,847 --> 00:40:33,391 - Will a case almost three decades in the making 837 00:40:33,433 --> 00:40:36,311 finally result in a guilty verdict? 838 00:40:36,353 --> 00:40:38,063 - The jury found Richard Morris 839 00:40:38,104 --> 00:40:40,190 guilty of murder in the first degree, 840 00:40:40,231 --> 00:40:41,900 and further found that he was guilty 841 00:40:41,941 --> 00:40:43,735 of the special circumstance 842 00:40:43,777 --> 00:40:45,487 of murder in the commission of a robbery 843 00:40:45,528 --> 00:40:47,989 and murder in the commission of a rape. 844 00:40:48,031 --> 00:40:51,993 Shelly's testimony, plus the DNA evidence, 845 00:40:52,035 --> 00:40:53,161 that really sewed it up. 846 00:40:53,203 --> 00:40:54,871 That was a pretty powerful case 847 00:40:54,913 --> 00:40:55,872 against Richard Morris. 848 00:40:57,874 --> 00:41:00,168 - The rape kit is what brought him down. 849 00:41:00,210 --> 00:41:02,003 Because he'd raped Shelly, 850 00:41:02,045 --> 00:41:04,089 he left behind the evidence that brought him down. 851 00:41:09,427 --> 00:41:11,930 - Bottom line is, undeniably, 852 00:41:11,971 --> 00:41:13,848 he was there that night. 853 00:41:13,890 --> 00:41:17,852 The DNA was found inside of a victim's body. 854 00:41:17,894 --> 00:41:19,312 I mean, that is just-- 855 00:41:19,354 --> 00:41:21,022 no way you can get around that. A trillion to one. 856 00:41:22,732 --> 00:41:24,275 - So Richard Morris has been sentenced 857 00:41:24,317 --> 00:41:27,737 to the California state prison for the rest of his life, 858 00:41:27,779 --> 00:41:31,157 without the possibility of parole. 859 00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:33,993 - Because Morris maintains his innocence, 860 00:41:34,035 --> 00:41:35,870 finding the second masked gunman 861 00:41:35,912 --> 00:41:37,330 who helped carry out the attack 862 00:41:37,372 --> 00:41:41,001 against Jimmy and Shelly proves to be trickier. 863 00:41:41,042 --> 00:41:43,420 Some investigators believe an earlier suspect 864 00:41:43,461 --> 00:41:45,880 might have left Morris holding the bag. 865 00:41:45,922 --> 00:41:48,383 - Corbett's kind of the mystery man here. 866 00:41:48,425 --> 00:41:51,344 Morris said that Corbett told him that he did the murder, 867 00:41:51,386 --> 00:41:54,264 and he was paid $10,000. 868 00:41:54,305 --> 00:41:57,350 I mean, he could be lying but I don't think so. 869 00:41:57,392 --> 00:42:00,061 And the problem is we don't have anything else linking. 870 00:42:00,103 --> 00:42:02,147 All we have is a parolee's statement 871 00:42:02,188 --> 00:42:05,191 that this other guy did the case. 872 00:42:05,233 --> 00:42:07,569 So they really didn't have much of a case on him. 873 00:42:07,610 --> 00:42:10,488 Corbett gets convicted of a robbery murder 874 00:42:10,530 --> 00:42:12,365 in the state of Tennessee, 875 00:42:12,407 --> 00:42:14,117 doing a life sentence there. 876 00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:16,286 If you've been convicted for life in jail 877 00:42:16,327 --> 00:42:17,787 without possibility of parole, 878 00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:20,206 why would you talk to the cops about anything. 879 00:42:20,248 --> 00:42:22,542 - It may never be known whether Mark Corbett 880 00:42:22,584 --> 00:42:25,545 had something to do with Jimmy Casino's murder, 881 00:42:25,587 --> 00:42:29,132 but he too will spend the rest of his life behind bars. 882 00:42:31,468 --> 00:42:33,928 - Jimmy Casino was a guy that made it big, 883 00:42:33,970 --> 00:42:35,388 tried to live bigger than life. 884 00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:38,099 And I think that he got caught up in some things that 885 00:42:38,141 --> 00:42:40,518 people weren't gonna forgive him for. 886 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,146 - The whole process of, you know, doing the crime scene 887 00:42:43,188 --> 00:42:46,232 and trying to find the killers and the assault people 888 00:42:46,274 --> 00:42:48,443 is to find closure for everybody. 889 00:42:48,485 --> 00:42:50,904 The family, the children, 890 00:42:50,945 --> 00:42:52,405 for the girlfriend. 891 00:42:52,447 --> 00:42:54,491 They need that. 892 00:42:54,532 --> 00:42:56,242 - In a lot of ways, Shane was robbed 893 00:42:56,284 --> 00:42:58,286 at the same time Jimmy Casino was robbed 894 00:42:58,328 --> 00:43:01,206 because Jimmy Casino wanted his son Shane 895 00:43:01,247 --> 00:43:03,458 to have everything in life that he didn't have, 896 00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:07,379 and now Shane didn't even have a father growing up. 897 00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:11,341 - I can't imagine what Shane must have felt 898 00:43:11,383 --> 00:43:14,135 losing his dad. 899 00:43:14,177 --> 00:43:17,597 It has been over 30 years and it's still sad. 900 00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:21,142 Makes me sad to think about it. 901 00:43:21,184 --> 00:43:24,020 I feel like it's incomplete. 902 00:43:24,062 --> 00:43:25,980 If Jimmy was here right now, 903 00:43:26,022 --> 00:43:28,900 he would be doing stuff with his son, 904 00:43:28,942 --> 00:43:33,363 and I would have liked to had him meet my son. 905 00:43:33,405 --> 00:43:35,490 I miss Jimmy.