1 00:00:25,693 --> 00:00:27,904 So you've never done construction work before? 2 00:00:27,987 --> 00:00:31,616 No. Like I said, it's just stuff around the house, helping my ma, you know. 3 00:00:31,699 --> 00:00:35,536 Don't sweat it. There's nothing to it. And you got the right build for it. 4 00:00:35,620 --> 00:00:37,497 Oh. Well, thanks. 5 00:00:37,580 --> 00:00:39,707 Just come inside, answer a couple of questions, 6 00:00:39,791 --> 00:00:42,293 and don't even think of it like a job interview, okay? 7 00:00:50,927 --> 00:00:53,137 What, um… What's that smell? 8 00:00:53,638 --> 00:00:58,601 Oh, you know, probably a dead raccoon or something down in the crawl space. 9 00:01:03,314 --> 00:01:04,774 -Here you go. -What's this? 10 00:01:05,441 --> 00:01:07,777 What the heck do you think…? 11 00:01:08,277 --> 00:01:11,280 It's an RC Cola. The heck's wrong with you? 12 00:01:11,948 --> 00:01:12,824 Sorry. 13 00:01:13,825 --> 00:01:15,034 -Thanks. -Yeah. 14 00:01:19,705 --> 00:01:23,835 So you looking for full-time? Part-time? 15 00:01:24,335 --> 00:01:27,755 Oh, I mean, I'll take as many hours as you can give me, you know? 16 00:01:27,839 --> 00:01:29,465 Just depends on what you wanna do. 17 00:01:30,258 --> 00:01:33,386 PDM stands for painting, design, and maintenance, 18 00:01:33,469 --> 00:01:37,014 so, you know, all kinds of work to be done. 19 00:01:41,477 --> 00:01:42,812 You go to that bar a lot? 20 00:01:45,773 --> 00:01:48,234 'Cause I never seen you in there before. 21 00:01:49,652 --> 00:01:51,112 -Here. 22 00:01:53,197 --> 00:01:54,657 Let me show you something. 23 00:02:02,165 --> 00:02:03,249 You Catholic? 24 00:02:09,297 --> 00:02:12,967 The only knot I remember from Boy Scouts. 25 00:02:15,261 --> 00:02:16,387 Tourniquet knot. 26 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,141 It gets real tight, don't it? 27 00:02:21,058 --> 00:02:23,352 Your hand'll turn purple I leave it like that. 28 00:02:25,521 --> 00:02:27,732 Hey, look at me. 29 00:02:30,359 --> 00:02:31,986 I wanna show you a trick. 30 00:02:41,871 --> 00:02:43,789 -Ah! 31 00:02:45,249 --> 00:02:47,543 Oh yeah? Yeah? 32 00:02:47,627 --> 00:02:49,212 -Mm! 33 00:02:52,465 --> 00:02:53,758 Mmm… 34 00:03:05,228 --> 00:03:06,854 Come on, man. 35 00:03:07,355 --> 00:03:09,065 -Quit struggling. 36 00:03:12,777 --> 00:03:14,946 You do not want to piss me off. 37 00:03:15,529 --> 00:03:16,697 Trust me. 38 00:03:20,618 --> 00:03:23,412 No! 39 00:03:32,380 --> 00:03:34,757 Please, God! Please, no! Please, God! 40 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,550 God can't help you. 41 00:03:37,635 --> 00:03:38,678 I'm God. 42 00:03:43,015 --> 00:03:46,310 Prison authorities in Illinois are preparing to execute 43 00:03:46,394 --> 00:03:48,938 one of America's most notorious serial killers. 44 00:03:49,021 --> 00:03:52,108 A federal judge on Wednesday ruled that the execution 45 00:03:52,191 --> 00:03:54,485 of John Wayne Gacy can go forward. 46 00:03:54,568 --> 00:03:57,571 He is scheduled to die by lethal injection on May 10th, 47 00:03:57,655 --> 00:04:00,366 giving the confessed murderer just two months more to live 48 00:04:00,449 --> 00:04:03,995 after a legal battle that has gone on for more than 14 years. 49 00:04:04,078 --> 00:04:06,372 Here now with more is Frank Currier. 50 00:04:07,206 --> 00:04:08,749 It was 1978. 51 00:04:08,833 --> 00:04:11,294 The world first saw the horrifying images 52 00:04:11,377 --> 00:04:15,464 of body bags being pulled out of John Wayne Gacy's house near Chicago. 53 00:04:15,548 --> 00:04:19,176 And of Gacy, later convicted in the torture murders 54 00:04:19,260 --> 00:04:22,305 of 33 young men and boys and condemned to die… 55 00:04:22,388 --> 00:04:24,515 Thank God. They're finally gonna fry that guy. 56 00:04:25,308 --> 00:04:27,935 You do something like that, you don't deserve to live. 57 00:04:29,854 --> 00:04:32,106 Man's gonna burn in hell and not fast enough. 58 00:04:32,189 --> 00:04:33,816 He's the worst of the worst. 59 00:04:34,942 --> 00:04:36,402 He is not the worst. 60 00:04:37,236 --> 00:04:38,446 Who's worse than him? 61 00:04:41,782 --> 00:04:42,825 My neighbor. 62 00:04:45,036 --> 00:04:46,037 Oh. 63 00:04:47,705 --> 00:04:49,582 You ever smell a dead body, Linda? 64 00:04:50,708 --> 00:04:52,209 -No. -I have. 65 00:04:52,710 --> 00:04:54,712 Jeff was cooking 'em up next door. 66 00:04:54,795 --> 00:04:57,798 Smell came right through the vent into my house. 67 00:04:58,883 --> 00:05:00,634 Can't get it out of my nose. 68 00:05:02,303 --> 00:05:03,471 That smell. 69 00:05:18,027 --> 00:05:18,944 The fuck? 70 00:05:20,237 --> 00:05:22,448 Sorry. My friend's sitting there. 71 00:05:22,907 --> 00:05:24,200 -Whoa. 72 00:05:24,283 --> 00:05:25,743 Fucking loony tune motherfucker! 73 00:05:25,826 --> 00:05:26,994 -Calm down. 74 00:05:27,078 --> 00:05:28,871 Take care of that smirky ass. 75 00:05:30,623 --> 00:05:32,249 You're a fucking freak, dude! 76 00:05:40,549 --> 00:05:43,427 Fifty bucks for your autograph? No way. 77 00:05:44,095 --> 00:05:47,056 Come on, man. It's got to be worth at least, what? 78 00:05:47,139 --> 00:05:48,432 A hundred bucks. 79 00:05:49,016 --> 00:05:52,603 That's gonna be a collector's item. I'm giving you a discount. 80 00:05:54,313 --> 00:05:58,025 Hey. I'll throw in some porno pics these girls have been sending me. 81 00:05:58,943 --> 00:06:00,152 I got no use for 'em. 82 00:06:00,861 --> 00:06:01,904 Porno pics? 83 00:06:01,987 --> 00:06:03,948 Pussies hanging out, everything. 84 00:06:04,031 --> 00:06:05,116 Okay, JD. 85 00:06:06,617 --> 00:06:08,411 Yo, this is bullshit! 86 00:06:08,494 --> 00:06:09,703 Sorry, fellas. 87 00:06:10,204 --> 00:06:13,040 Don't get mad just 'cause I'm getting a little sun today. 88 00:06:13,124 --> 00:06:15,334 Why does he get private time in the yard? 89 00:06:15,835 --> 00:06:16,710 Bitch! 90 00:06:32,351 --> 00:06:33,477 Mm. 91 00:06:42,194 --> 00:06:44,071 Yo, I'm tired of your disrespect, Dahmer. 92 00:06:44,989 --> 00:06:45,990 Disrespect? 93 00:06:46,073 --> 00:06:48,409 Playing with your food, your fucking sick-ass jokes, 94 00:06:48,492 --> 00:06:51,871 selling your autographs like you some kind of celebrity or something? 95 00:06:51,954 --> 00:06:53,205 You think prison is a game? 96 00:06:53,289 --> 00:06:55,249 Think we're here for your fucking amusement? 97 00:06:55,332 --> 00:06:57,626 Hey, man, I didn't mean any disrespect. 98 00:06:58,294 --> 00:07:02,882 I'm just trying to pass my time. Same as you. 99 00:07:02,965 --> 00:07:06,010 You ain't the same as me. I've atoned for my sins. 100 00:07:06,802 --> 00:07:10,347 Whatever you did to get in this joint, it's clear that you got zero remorse. 101 00:07:11,724 --> 00:07:14,977 I'm a Christian, and I find your behavior offensive. 102 00:07:18,856 --> 00:07:19,732 Okay. 103 00:07:19,815 --> 00:07:21,984 Stop being an asshole and quit your fucking games. 104 00:07:22,067 --> 00:07:23,903 Scarver! Let's take a walk. 105 00:07:30,868 --> 00:07:31,994 Jeez. 106 00:07:32,536 --> 00:07:35,372 And why exactly are you doing research on Mr. Dahmer? 107 00:07:35,456 --> 00:07:36,874 I'm not doing research on him. 108 00:07:36,957 --> 00:07:39,627 I just want to see what he did to get in here. 109 00:07:39,710 --> 00:07:41,629 And see what the big deal about him is. 110 00:07:41,712 --> 00:07:45,633 Time spent in solitary has put me out of the loop, is all. 111 00:07:50,513 --> 00:07:52,681 Well, Mr. Scarver, according to the system, 112 00:07:52,765 --> 00:07:54,475 because of your psychiatric condition, 113 00:07:54,558 --> 00:07:57,228 your access to certain viewing materials is restricted. 114 00:07:57,311 --> 00:07:59,688 Look, like I told the doctors, 115 00:07:59,772 --> 00:08:02,525 certain food causes me to have these psychotic breaks. 116 00:08:03,025 --> 00:08:06,820 You know, bread, refined sugar, and all that artificial crap. 117 00:08:10,491 --> 00:08:13,536 Ever since I changed my diet and found Christ… 118 00:08:15,412 --> 00:08:16,622 I've been okay. 119 00:08:17,540 --> 00:08:19,833 Come on, Ms. G. Pretty please? 120 00:08:38,435 --> 00:08:39,270 Oh… 121 00:08:55,119 --> 00:08:56,078 Uh… 122 00:09:33,449 --> 00:09:36,327 …drank a lot, and when he drank a lot, 123 00:09:36,410 --> 00:09:38,954 yeah, he was abusive. 124 00:09:39,038 --> 00:09:42,416 Maybe that's where it began to go wrong for John Gacy. 125 00:09:42,499 --> 00:09:45,544 He doesn't know, nor does he seem to care. 126 00:09:45,628 --> 00:09:47,963 He loses himself in his paintings. 127 00:09:48,047 --> 00:09:51,842 This is Christ as I see him in myself. 128 00:09:51,925 --> 00:09:55,429 And it's monolithic because Christ, to me, is monolithic. 129 00:09:55,512 --> 00:09:58,265 He's all things to all people. 130 00:09:58,766 --> 00:10:00,559 You're not worried about facing God? 131 00:10:00,643 --> 00:10:04,355 No. I'm fairly comfortable with him. 132 00:10:04,438 --> 00:10:07,858 At the Catholic services, I've been the server for the priest 133 00:10:07,941 --> 00:10:09,526 for the last ten years. 134 00:10:09,610 --> 00:10:13,030 And I have no qualms about doing that. 135 00:10:13,113 --> 00:10:16,367 I've had confession, had Communion. 136 00:10:16,450 --> 00:10:19,620 So, I'm at peace with myself. 137 00:10:20,245 --> 00:10:23,666 John Gacy now faces death by lethal injection. 138 00:10:24,166 --> 00:10:27,878 Tomorrow night we'll hear how he's the victim for being found guilty. 139 00:10:36,095 --> 00:10:37,179 Hey. 140 00:10:38,389 --> 00:10:39,348 Uh… 141 00:10:41,725 --> 00:10:43,352 Can I talk to you a sec? 142 00:10:46,021 --> 00:10:47,064 Absolutely. 143 00:10:48,732 --> 00:10:52,403 So, why do you think there's so many of us now? 144 00:10:52,486 --> 00:10:53,862 You mean inmates? 145 00:10:53,946 --> 00:10:58,033 No, I mean, uh, guys like me. 146 00:10:59,743 --> 00:11:01,161 People they call, uh, 147 00:11:02,538 --> 00:11:03,914 serial killers. 148 00:11:05,582 --> 00:11:09,128 Well, I'm not sure anybody knows the answer to that. 149 00:11:10,879 --> 00:11:13,424 Some say it's the interstate highway system. 150 00:11:13,507 --> 00:11:16,301 A relatively new invention in the history of this country. 151 00:11:17,094 --> 00:11:20,097 You can kill somebody and disappear fast, 152 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:22,307 dump the body a thousand miles away. 153 00:11:23,684 --> 00:11:27,187 Or maybe it was World War II or Vietnam. 154 00:11:27,730 --> 00:11:30,232 Dads coming back from the war, they're traumatized. 155 00:11:30,315 --> 00:11:33,318 Don't talk about it. They're absent, abusive. 156 00:11:33,444 --> 00:11:35,028 They raise troubled sons. 157 00:11:35,112 --> 00:11:38,615 There's also the explosion and wide availability of pornography, 158 00:11:38,699 --> 00:11:41,702 which wasn't the case until the 1970s. 159 00:11:47,207 --> 00:11:49,710 You believe there's such a thing as just… 160 00:11:51,879 --> 00:11:53,088 being evil? 161 00:11:55,507 --> 00:11:58,260 I think you could probably guess that I do. 162 00:12:04,725 --> 00:12:08,061 You know, I went to church as a little kid. 163 00:12:12,858 --> 00:12:15,569 And then one Halloween, I went as the devil. 164 00:12:16,695 --> 00:12:20,616 And, uh, something felt good about that. 165 00:12:22,409 --> 00:12:24,119 Then I got a little older… 166 00:12:27,122 --> 00:12:28,791 and I made an altar to him. 167 00:12:31,126 --> 00:12:32,294 The devil. 168 00:12:33,337 --> 00:12:36,006 And I was planning on making a life-size one. 169 00:12:36,507 --> 00:12:39,510 That's what I was saving a lot of the body parts for. 170 00:12:40,803 --> 00:12:43,347 Even in movies, like Star Wars… 171 00:12:45,224 --> 00:12:48,393 you know, I always like the bad guys more, you know? 172 00:12:50,187 --> 00:12:51,980 Well, so did I. 173 00:12:52,773 --> 00:12:54,650 Those characters are written better. 174 00:12:56,777 --> 00:12:57,820 Yeah. 175 00:13:00,113 --> 00:13:02,241 What do you really want to ask me, Jeff? 176 00:13:06,161 --> 00:13:07,120 Well… 177 00:13:11,333 --> 00:13:17,256 I was watching that, uh, that John Wayne Gacy on the news. 178 00:13:18,173 --> 00:13:24,304 You know, people say we're the same 'cause we both did terrible things. 179 00:13:25,764 --> 00:13:26,723 But… 180 00:13:29,184 --> 00:13:31,103 I really think we're different. 181 00:13:31,186 --> 00:13:32,855 I admitted to everything. 182 00:13:34,106 --> 00:13:35,232 All of it. 183 00:13:36,567 --> 00:13:39,736 And Gacy still says he didn't do it. 184 00:13:40,612 --> 00:13:42,698 I wanted the death penalty. 185 00:13:44,992 --> 00:13:47,703 And he was saying that he's not afraid to die, 186 00:13:47,786 --> 00:13:51,874 'cause he's made his peace with God. 187 00:13:53,333 --> 00:13:56,003 And he's gonna go to heaven. 188 00:13:58,964 --> 00:14:02,009 So, I guess my question is, 189 00:14:06,930 --> 00:14:10,601 do you think God's forgiven him for all that? 190 00:14:14,980 --> 00:14:18,984 Are you asking about him or about yourself, Jeff? 191 00:14:22,362 --> 00:14:25,198 I don't think I deserve forgiveness for what I done. 192 00:14:26,074 --> 00:14:28,327 Well, it's not about "deserve," Jeff. 193 00:14:28,869 --> 00:14:30,454 That's the thing about grace. 194 00:14:30,537 --> 00:14:32,623 We don't deserve it, but we get it anyway. 195 00:14:34,166 --> 00:14:38,295 You know, Jesus wasn't alone when he was dying on the cross. 196 00:14:38,879 --> 00:14:41,798 There were two criminals that were being crucified with him. 197 00:14:42,466 --> 00:14:45,427 And one of them said to Jesus, kind of making fun of him, 198 00:14:46,011 --> 00:14:49,681 he says, "Hey, if you're the Son of God, why don't you save yourself?" 199 00:14:50,182 --> 00:14:52,184 "And save us while you're at it." 200 00:14:52,267 --> 00:14:55,062 But the other one, he shouts this guy down, 201 00:14:55,145 --> 00:14:56,647 says, "Hold on." 202 00:14:56,730 --> 00:15:00,233 "You and me, we're criminals. We're getting what we deserve." 203 00:15:00,317 --> 00:15:04,529 "But this guy, Jesus, he didn't do nothing wrong." 204 00:15:06,239 --> 00:15:07,616 Then he says to Jesus, 205 00:15:08,992 --> 00:15:11,495 "Remember me when you come into your kingdom." 206 00:15:13,664 --> 00:15:16,124 And so, Jesus turns to him, 207 00:15:16,792 --> 00:15:18,502 and you know what he says? 208 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,548 He says, "Today, you will be with me in paradise." 209 00:15:24,216 --> 00:15:26,885 Jesus didn't ask him what he'd done to get crucified, 210 00:15:26,969 --> 00:15:28,553 didn't ask him if he was sorry. 211 00:15:28,637 --> 00:15:31,181 All this guy had to do to be saved 212 00:15:31,264 --> 00:15:33,892 was to believe that Jesus was the Son of God. 213 00:15:36,603 --> 00:15:39,022 And let us not forget, Heavenly Father, 214 00:15:40,148 --> 00:15:43,527 that you are a loving, merciful, and just God. 215 00:15:44,861 --> 00:15:50,784 And we ask that we may practice mercy and forgiveness in our own lives 216 00:15:51,368 --> 00:15:54,997 as you have shown mercy and forgiveness to us. 217 00:15:55,998 --> 00:15:59,584 In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 218 00:16:00,377 --> 00:16:01,378 Amen. 219 00:16:01,461 --> 00:16:02,713 Amen. 220 00:16:03,255 --> 00:16:04,881 And Sandra? 221 00:16:04,965 --> 00:16:07,801 She's good. About to have her second baby. 222 00:16:07,884 --> 00:16:10,679 Praise the Lord. Boy or girl? 223 00:16:10,762 --> 00:16:13,724 We don't know yet. We fixing to find out next week. 224 00:16:14,266 --> 00:16:16,727 -Well, give her my best when you see her. -I will. 225 00:16:17,811 --> 00:16:20,897 So, why'd you want to see me? 226 00:16:24,443 --> 00:16:25,527 Well, Pastor… 227 00:16:28,780 --> 00:16:34,244 what you said in your closing prayer today about forgiveness, 228 00:16:35,162 --> 00:16:36,288 showing mercy, 229 00:16:36,371 --> 00:16:39,082 I mean, I know it's the Christian thing to do. 230 00:16:39,166 --> 00:16:41,501 And we all have fallen short, 231 00:16:41,585 --> 00:16:46,048 and at some point or another, we all deserve grace. 232 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,640 But when it comes to Jeff Dahmer, 233 00:16:57,309 --> 00:16:58,769 I can't forgive him. 234 00:17:01,855 --> 00:17:05,859 Even though there may be something wrong with his brain, 235 00:17:05,942 --> 00:17:08,528 or he couldn't control hisself… 236 00:17:11,573 --> 00:17:12,657 I can't. 237 00:17:14,326 --> 00:17:18,538 My heart is full of hate. 238 00:17:20,332 --> 00:17:21,458 Mmm. 239 00:17:21,541 --> 00:17:22,626 Revenge. 240 00:17:24,628 --> 00:17:29,841 I thought him being in jail for the rest of his life would be enough. 241 00:17:32,135 --> 00:17:33,220 It's not. 242 00:17:38,683 --> 00:17:40,227 I want to see him suffer. 243 00:17:43,063 --> 00:17:45,065 I even have nightmares about it. 244 00:17:47,109 --> 00:17:51,113 And I see myself hurting him. 245 00:17:55,158 --> 00:17:56,409 Giving him pain, 246 00:17:57,953 --> 00:18:00,831 making him beg for mercy. 247 00:18:04,543 --> 00:18:06,128 I'm scared, Pastor. 248 00:18:08,964 --> 00:18:10,257 I'm so scared. 249 00:18:12,717 --> 00:18:17,305 I just wish I could get past these feelings. 250 00:18:17,389 --> 00:18:19,141 You know? That… that… 251 00:18:20,475 --> 00:18:24,229 that… that I could stop living in vengeance. 252 00:18:25,355 --> 00:18:27,691 That I could get to a better place. 253 00:18:27,774 --> 00:18:30,986 Maybe, I don't know, maybe not forgiveness 254 00:18:31,069 --> 00:18:32,988 but something close to it? 255 00:18:38,577 --> 00:18:42,747 'Cause if I keep letting hate and anger consume me… 256 00:18:46,585 --> 00:18:48,837 I'm not gonna know myself no more. 257 00:18:55,093 --> 00:18:56,595 You have a big heart, Glenda. 258 00:18:57,762 --> 00:19:01,141 Which can be both a blessing and a curse. 259 00:19:01,933 --> 00:19:04,853 And you have every right to feel those feelings 260 00:19:04,936 --> 00:19:06,563 and think those thoughts. 261 00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:09,191 But how do I make them stop? 262 00:19:09,274 --> 00:19:10,233 You can't. 263 00:19:11,026 --> 00:19:12,819 -You can't. 264 00:19:12,903 --> 00:19:17,782 All you can do is pray for strength and ask for God's guidance every day. 265 00:19:20,243 --> 00:19:22,370 And perhaps come to church a little more often. 266 00:19:24,122 --> 00:19:25,916 Yeah. 267 00:19:25,999 --> 00:19:27,125 Yeah. 268 00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:30,462 It's not gonna happen overnight. 269 00:19:32,339 --> 00:19:33,590 It just takes time. 270 00:19:35,175 --> 00:19:40,180 And then one day, maybe a month from now, maybe a year, 271 00:19:42,098 --> 00:19:44,392 you will see Jeffrey Dahmer's face somewhere, 272 00:19:45,227 --> 00:19:46,811 and you won't feel a thing. 273 00:20:05,413 --> 00:20:07,040 -Hi, Dad. -Hey, Jeff. 274 00:20:07,123 --> 00:20:07,958 How you doing? 275 00:20:08,041 --> 00:20:09,626 -Good to see you. -You too. 276 00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:11,294 -You look good. -Thanks. 277 00:20:11,378 --> 00:20:12,504 You look healthier. 278 00:20:12,587 --> 00:20:13,880 -I do? -Yeah. 279 00:20:14,381 --> 00:20:15,340 Hmm. 280 00:20:15,924 --> 00:20:19,928 Maybe it's the pills they got me on. They gave me that Prozac. 281 00:20:20,679 --> 00:20:22,097 -Oh, yeah? -Yeah. 282 00:20:22,180 --> 00:20:23,723 What, you think it helps? 283 00:20:23,807 --> 00:20:26,476 Yeah, I think it helps even me out. 284 00:20:27,852 --> 00:20:31,773 And there's no booze in here. I think that was a lot of my problem. 285 00:20:31,856 --> 00:20:33,692 Yeah, I think so too. 286 00:20:36,111 --> 00:20:37,821 You miss it, the drinking? 287 00:20:38,863 --> 00:20:40,782 Oh, every hour of every day. 288 00:20:40,865 --> 00:20:41,866 Yeah. 289 00:20:41,950 --> 00:20:44,536 So it's probably good I can't get any, you know? 290 00:20:49,541 --> 00:20:51,167 I was thinking about you and Shari. 291 00:20:51,251 --> 00:20:54,796 You guys should, uh, maybe go on a vacation with all that book money. 292 00:20:54,879 --> 00:20:57,048 Oh, yeah, the book, yeah. 293 00:20:58,300 --> 00:21:00,593 Yeah. The book didn't do so well, Jeff. 294 00:21:00,677 --> 00:21:03,388 Uh, the reviews were good, but-- 295 00:21:03,471 --> 00:21:05,140 And I understand why. 296 00:21:05,223 --> 00:21:06,516 I think a lot of people… 297 00:21:08,226 --> 00:21:12,022 thought that I was trying to profit from the victims and whatnot. 298 00:21:12,105 --> 00:21:15,150 You know? It's not true. But what are you gonna do? 299 00:21:15,817 --> 00:21:19,154 It was probably cursed from the beginning, so… 300 00:21:19,237 --> 00:21:20,196 Hm. 301 00:21:22,615 --> 00:21:23,658 Yeah. 302 00:21:25,744 --> 00:21:27,287 Uh… 303 00:21:28,621 --> 00:21:30,332 There's something I gotta tell you. 304 00:21:31,416 --> 00:21:33,126 Something I'm planning on doing. 305 00:21:36,921 --> 00:21:38,548 I want to get baptized. 306 00:21:39,924 --> 00:21:41,301 Jeff… 307 00:21:42,093 --> 00:21:43,470 That's wonderful, son. 308 00:21:46,139 --> 00:21:47,724 I thought you'd be happy. 309 00:21:48,475 --> 00:21:51,311 Only problem is they don't got a baptismal tank in here, 310 00:21:51,394 --> 00:21:55,106 and, uh, I still got to find somebody to baptize me. 311 00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:57,359 It's just-- That's so great. 312 00:21:58,860 --> 00:22:00,653 -Yeah. -That's so great. 313 00:22:01,738 --> 00:22:02,989 And, you know, uh… 314 00:22:06,576 --> 00:22:10,372 baptism's all about washing away all your sins. 315 00:22:11,164 --> 00:22:12,207 Uh… 316 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:17,670 God forgiving you is one thing. I know he can do that, but, uh… 317 00:22:19,798 --> 00:22:22,342 I guess what I wanted to ask you, Dad, is if, uh… 318 00:22:27,347 --> 00:22:29,182 if you could ever forgive me. 319 00:22:37,732 --> 00:22:38,608 I will. 320 00:22:40,944 --> 00:22:42,404 I'll forgive you, son. 321 00:22:45,323 --> 00:22:46,324 I do. 322 00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:48,243 I have. 323 00:22:51,079 --> 00:22:52,372 Because you're my son. 324 00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:58,628 Yeah. 325 00:23:00,755 --> 00:23:01,798 That's good. 326 00:23:05,218 --> 00:23:06,261 Thanks, Dad. 327 00:23:26,406 --> 00:23:27,407 Hey there. 328 00:23:28,158 --> 00:23:30,702 Glenda, thank you for coming. 329 00:23:30,785 --> 00:23:32,078 Thank you for inviting me. 330 00:23:32,162 --> 00:23:34,414 You Lao folks sure know how to throw a wedding. 331 00:23:34,873 --> 00:23:35,999 Please, sit. 332 00:23:39,711 --> 00:23:40,545 Whiskey? 333 00:23:40,628 --> 00:23:41,629 Oh, no. I'm good. 334 00:23:41,713 --> 00:23:42,714 It's tradition. 335 00:23:44,466 --> 00:23:45,717 Okay. 336 00:23:55,852 --> 00:23:57,729 Ooh. 337 00:23:58,980 --> 00:24:00,356 That is strong. 338 00:24:01,524 --> 00:24:03,193 Better not have too many of these 339 00:24:03,276 --> 00:24:05,945 or you might not even remember your son's wedding. 340 00:24:09,407 --> 00:24:11,075 I'm really happy for you, Sounthone. 341 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,662 You and your family deserve this. 342 00:24:14,746 --> 00:24:17,707 Especially after everything that's happened. 343 00:24:19,334 --> 00:24:20,627 Today's a good day. 344 00:24:27,091 --> 00:24:29,093 I try to be happy for my family. 345 00:24:30,428 --> 00:24:33,973 I smile. I try to be strong. 346 00:24:36,267 --> 00:24:40,855 I keep waiting to feel like myself again before. 347 00:24:42,524 --> 00:24:43,900 It just gets worse. 348 00:24:45,109 --> 00:24:46,986 Because every morning I get up, 349 00:24:48,029 --> 00:24:51,741 and I remember Jeffrey Dahmer is still alive. 350 00:24:53,535 --> 00:24:54,786 But not Konerak. 351 00:24:56,496 --> 00:24:57,622 Not my son. 352 00:24:58,748 --> 00:24:59,791 I get it. 353 00:25:02,544 --> 00:25:04,379 Maybe the best we can do 354 00:25:05,046 --> 00:25:07,340 is just keep pretending to be strong. 355 00:25:08,383 --> 00:25:12,720 And eventually, one day, maybe we'll forget we're pretending. 356 00:25:24,566 --> 00:25:25,984 Come on, Sounthone. 357 00:25:26,067 --> 00:25:28,820 Let's get out on this dance floor and show 'em how it's done. 358 00:25:36,661 --> 00:25:37,787 Okay. 359 00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:42,333 "Dahmer vs. Jesus"? 360 00:25:43,543 --> 00:25:44,460 Is this for real? 361 00:25:44,544 --> 00:25:47,380 It's the newest issue in his Jeffrey Dahmer series. 362 00:25:47,463 --> 00:25:48,464 Hmm. 363 00:25:48,548 --> 00:25:51,175 Just when you thought folks couldn't stoop any lower. 364 00:25:51,259 --> 00:25:52,385 It's sick. 365 00:25:52,468 --> 00:25:55,096 It's like they're making him into a superhero. 366 00:25:55,179 --> 00:25:56,639 Freedom of speech, my ass. 367 00:25:56,723 --> 00:25:57,724 I know, girl. 368 00:25:57,807 --> 00:26:00,643 Though, to be honest, I'm not sure who should be offended more, 369 00:26:00,727 --> 00:26:02,061 us or Jesus. 370 00:26:02,145 --> 00:26:03,438 So what do we do? 371 00:26:03,521 --> 00:26:05,398 I say we file another lawsuit. 372 00:26:05,481 --> 00:26:08,735 But we lost the last one. Aren't we just gonna lose again? 373 00:26:08,818 --> 00:26:10,111 There's a chance we might. 374 00:26:10,194 --> 00:26:11,821 Then is it really worth it? 375 00:26:11,904 --> 00:26:15,533 Are you saying that we should just forgive and forget what Dahmer did 376 00:26:15,617 --> 00:26:18,202 and allow these folks to continue to profit off of him? 377 00:26:18,286 --> 00:26:21,998 Why expend all that effort to file another lawsuit 378 00:26:22,081 --> 00:26:24,375 if at the end of the day we lose again in court? 379 00:26:24,459 --> 00:26:26,377 Because it makes a statement. 380 00:26:27,378 --> 00:26:31,674 It reminds people that Jeff Dahmer isn't a superhero. 381 00:26:31,758 --> 00:26:33,551 He's a serial killer. 382 00:26:35,553 --> 00:26:40,141 It also reminds them that our sons weren't just Jeff Dahmer's victims. 383 00:26:40,224 --> 00:26:43,061 They were real people. They lived. 384 00:26:43,895 --> 00:26:45,438 They sang in the choir, 385 00:26:46,189 --> 00:26:49,567 loved to dance, teased their sisters. 386 00:26:50,068 --> 00:26:53,321 They were young men who had hopes and dreams for the future. 387 00:26:54,072 --> 00:26:55,198 And mothers… 388 00:26:57,533 --> 00:26:59,202 who loved them. 389 00:27:01,037 --> 00:27:03,164 So even if we lose in court, 390 00:27:03,247 --> 00:27:05,792 if we can manage to get that point across, 391 00:27:05,875 --> 00:27:07,919 we win without winning. 392 00:27:13,091 --> 00:27:15,259 I know I'm not going to read this. 393 00:27:15,343 --> 00:27:19,138 But I hope Jesus whoops Jeffrey Dahmer's ass. 394 00:27:31,150 --> 00:27:32,735 Don't look right at it. 395 00:27:33,611 --> 00:27:34,862 Put these on. 396 00:27:34,946 --> 00:27:35,822 Thanks. 397 00:27:36,447 --> 00:27:39,409 Really makes it hard to doubt there's a God, doesn't it? 398 00:27:39,492 --> 00:27:41,369 Total eclipse of the sun. 399 00:27:43,204 --> 00:27:45,373 The hour John Wayne Gacy's executed. 400 00:27:46,165 --> 00:27:48,501 The same day Jeffrey Dahmer's baptized. 401 00:27:48,584 --> 00:27:50,962 We use this for rehabbing injuries and whatnot. 402 00:27:51,045 --> 00:27:52,547 -Will this work? -I… Um… 403 00:27:53,506 --> 00:27:55,800 Yeah, I believe it would. 404 00:27:55,883 --> 00:27:56,968 Anything else you need? 405 00:27:57,051 --> 00:27:59,887 I'm sorry. You're giving me everything I'm asking for. 406 00:27:59,971 --> 00:28:01,639 I thought this was gonna be a lot harder. 407 00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:03,725 Religion pacifies. 408 00:28:05,435 --> 00:28:07,937 You know, Warden, I spoke to him, and I'm gonna tell you 409 00:28:08,020 --> 00:28:09,897 what I told your chaplains here. 410 00:28:09,981 --> 00:28:13,985 Dahmer wants to be saved. It is genuine. 411 00:28:15,111 --> 00:28:18,281 John Wayne Gacy, do you have any last words? 412 00:28:19,532 --> 00:28:20,742 Uh… 413 00:28:22,034 --> 00:28:23,369 How about 414 00:28:24,287 --> 00:28:26,330 you all kiss my ass. 415 00:28:28,416 --> 00:28:29,876 How's that for last words? 416 00:28:31,753 --> 00:28:32,879 Where you going, JD? 417 00:28:33,463 --> 00:28:34,922 I'm getting baptized. 418 00:28:35,006 --> 00:28:37,550 Yeah! Good for you, Jeff. 419 00:29:00,531 --> 00:29:01,991 Someone made that for you? 420 00:29:02,575 --> 00:29:04,076 Yeah, nice, right? 421 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,787 Some lady in Oklahoma. 422 00:29:24,305 --> 00:29:25,765 Motherfucker, man. 423 00:29:32,772 --> 00:29:35,650 Jeff, I baptize you 424 00:29:35,733 --> 00:29:37,443 in the name of the Father, 425 00:29:39,237 --> 00:29:40,404 the Son, 426 00:29:41,989 --> 00:29:43,199 and the Holy Spirit 427 00:29:44,283 --> 00:29:45,910 for the forgiveness of sin. 428 00:29:47,078 --> 00:29:48,621 I don't know what to do. 429 00:29:48,704 --> 00:29:51,666 God Almighty, Heavenly Father, you got to talk to me! 430 00:29:52,166 --> 00:29:54,085 You've got to tell me what to do! 431 00:30:22,446 --> 00:30:24,699 Official time of death, 12:58. 432 00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:28,494 -That son of a bitch. 433 00:30:31,330 --> 00:30:33,499 -Welcome to the family of God. -Yeah. 434 00:30:35,543 --> 00:30:37,295 -Yeah. -Congratulations, Jeff. 435 00:30:38,838 --> 00:30:40,089 You're saved. 436 00:30:43,509 --> 00:30:44,677 Thanks. 437 00:30:46,178 --> 00:30:47,179 Thank you. 438 00:30:47,263 --> 00:30:48,848 Talk to me, Lord, please. 439 00:30:49,765 --> 00:30:52,143 Just tell me what I gotta do. 440 00:30:53,728 --> 00:30:54,729 I'll do it. 441 00:31:26,844 --> 00:31:28,012 Work duty. 442 00:31:44,362 --> 00:31:46,155 So, JD, 443 00:31:46,238 --> 00:31:48,491 what you gonna do with your 25 cents an hour? 444 00:31:48,574 --> 00:31:51,661 Blow it on porn or cigarettes? 445 00:31:52,536 --> 00:31:53,454 Don't know. 446 00:31:53,537 --> 00:31:55,498 Probably just give it to the church. 447 00:31:56,999 --> 00:31:58,501 Well, that's fucking lame. 448 00:32:04,131 --> 00:32:06,467 -Oh. 449 00:32:06,550 --> 00:32:07,551 You got me. 450 00:32:07,635 --> 00:32:09,387 I'm just fucking with you, man. 451 00:32:21,107 --> 00:32:22,233 Work duty. 452 00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:56,892 Hey. You guys are getting some help this morning. 453 00:33:01,147 --> 00:33:02,106 Sure. 454 00:33:03,566 --> 00:33:04,650 Fine by me. 455 00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:30,259 I'm gonna clean the locker rooms. Wanna lend me a hand? 456 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,635 Okay. 457 00:34:27,108 --> 00:34:28,234 Jesse? 458 00:34:39,787 --> 00:34:40,996 What'd you do to him? 459 00:34:42,081 --> 00:34:43,499 Don't cry for him. 460 00:34:46,001 --> 00:34:47,211 Dude murdered his wife. 461 00:34:47,753 --> 00:34:51,382 Stabbed her in the face five fucking times and tried to pin it on two Black guys. 462 00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:54,552 Ain't that some shit? 463 00:34:58,889 --> 00:35:01,642 But ain't nothing compared to what you did though, Dahmer. 464 00:35:08,065 --> 00:35:10,151 So, you didn't just murder them. 465 00:35:11,569 --> 00:35:13,237 You desecrated their bodies. 466 00:35:13,988 --> 00:35:15,781 And cannibalized their flesh. 467 00:35:15,865 --> 00:35:17,158 Answer me, Dahmer! 468 00:35:18,367 --> 00:35:19,910 Did you really eat their flesh? 469 00:35:22,288 --> 00:35:23,789 -Yes. -God… 470 00:35:26,208 --> 00:35:27,793 And that 14-year-old boy? 471 00:35:31,005 --> 00:35:32,506 -Yes. -Oh, what the fuck? 472 00:35:33,716 --> 00:35:35,217 What made you do it? 473 00:35:36,468 --> 00:35:37,636 Did you enjoy it? 474 00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:39,471 I was lost. 475 00:35:40,931 --> 00:35:42,433 I turned away from God. 476 00:35:43,517 --> 00:35:44,768 So you believe in God? 477 00:35:45,811 --> 00:35:47,479 Yes, I do. 478 00:35:48,606 --> 00:35:50,191 I've returned to God. 479 00:35:52,443 --> 00:35:53,485 I feel… 480 00:35:55,821 --> 00:35:56,822 changed. 481 00:36:01,911 --> 00:36:03,454 I believe in God too. 482 00:36:06,957 --> 00:36:08,792 But my God is a god of vengeance. 483 00:36:09,335 --> 00:36:11,212 And He punishes evil. 484 00:36:12,379 --> 00:36:14,089 Been in it for a long time. 485 00:36:15,132 --> 00:36:17,676 And when He can't do it himself, he sends in vessels 486 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,345 to execute His justice. 487 00:36:22,514 --> 00:36:24,225 The Lord spoke to me, Dahmer. 488 00:36:26,936 --> 00:36:29,688 He asked me to punish you 489 00:36:29,772 --> 00:36:32,191 for all them innocent lives you took 490 00:36:32,274 --> 00:36:34,276 and them families you destroyed. 491 00:36:35,319 --> 00:36:39,740 You may convince yourself that God has forgiven you. 492 00:36:42,076 --> 00:36:44,119 But you can never escape God's wrath. 493 00:36:46,705 --> 00:36:48,207 It always catches up with you. 494 00:36:50,167 --> 00:36:51,252 Always. 495 00:36:54,046 --> 00:36:56,131 See, Dahmer, 496 00:36:59,301 --> 00:37:00,594 I'm His vessel. 497 00:37:04,556 --> 00:37:05,641 Understand? 498 00:37:20,072 --> 00:37:21,031 Okay. 499 00:37:35,296 --> 00:37:37,548 You liked seeing them men in pain, didn't you? 500 00:37:48,225 --> 00:37:49,935 And that 14-year-old boy, 501 00:37:50,769 --> 00:37:52,771 when you did them horrible things to him. 502 00:37:52,855 --> 00:37:53,814 No. 503 00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:57,609 I drugged 'em first so they wouldn't feel anything. 504 00:38:02,323 --> 00:38:03,490 Well, Dahmer, 505 00:38:04,783 --> 00:38:06,744 you 'bout to feel every second of this. 506 00:39:02,216 --> 00:39:03,717 In the name of the Father, 507 00:39:05,386 --> 00:39:06,553 the Son, 508 00:39:08,138 --> 00:39:09,556 and the Holy Ghost. 509 00:39:14,895 --> 00:39:16,105 Amen. 510 00:39:38,252 --> 00:39:39,211 Hello? 511 00:39:40,003 --> 00:39:41,046 Speaking. 512 00:39:43,298 --> 00:39:44,842 Oh, no. Uh… 513 00:39:45,426 --> 00:39:47,010 Okay, we'll be right there. 514 00:39:50,848 --> 00:39:52,933 -Mr. Dahmer-- -Is he okay? Can we see him? 515 00:39:53,434 --> 00:39:54,393 Just, um… 516 00:39:56,103 --> 00:39:57,521 I'm afraid it's bad news. 517 00:39:57,604 --> 00:39:58,522 No. 518 00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:45,986 Oh, my God… 519 00:40:47,654 --> 00:40:49,281 God, Jeff, I'm sorry. 520 00:40:55,287 --> 00:40:56,205 Oh… 521 00:41:07,049 --> 00:41:08,050 I love you. 522 00:41:11,136 --> 00:41:13,347 I've loved you since the day you were born. 523 00:41:16,016 --> 00:41:18,143 And I'll love you till the day that I die. 524 00:41:52,594 --> 00:41:53,595 What? 525 00:41:54,388 --> 00:41:56,014 I didn't say a thing, did I? 526 00:42:04,690 --> 00:42:06,775 Mr. Dahmer, Ms. Flint? 527 00:42:09,820 --> 00:42:10,821 Please. 528 00:42:13,407 --> 00:42:14,700 I don't understand. 529 00:42:14,783 --> 00:42:16,451 Jeff's body's been cremated. 530 00:42:16,535 --> 00:42:19,121 They sent the remains to Shari and me two weeks ago. 531 00:42:19,204 --> 00:42:20,497 Half his remains. 532 00:42:21,081 --> 00:42:23,584 The other half went to me, okay? His mother. 533 00:42:23,667 --> 00:42:26,461 After your son was killed, 534 00:42:26,545 --> 00:42:29,131 there was, of course, an autopsy. 535 00:42:29,214 --> 00:42:32,175 And when they do that, you know, the body is kind of-- 536 00:42:32,259 --> 00:42:33,093 Dissected? 537 00:42:33,176 --> 00:42:34,970 -Lionel knows all about that. 538 00:42:35,053 --> 00:42:37,598 He's who kind of sparked Jeff's interest in the subject. 539 00:42:37,681 --> 00:42:39,641 You're a piece of work, aren't you, Joyce? 540 00:42:39,725 --> 00:42:41,560 Guys? Look, could we--? 541 00:42:42,227 --> 00:42:46,273 The brain was removed to determine the cause of death. 542 00:42:46,356 --> 00:42:49,526 Now, Ms. Flint feels that we have an opportunity here 543 00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:51,570 for something good to come out of all this. 544 00:42:51,653 --> 00:42:55,949 Scientists at Fresno State University would like to study Jeff's brain. 545 00:42:56,033 --> 00:42:59,453 What… Hold on. I don't understand. 546 00:42:59,536 --> 00:43:01,622 Where… Where's his brain been all this time? 547 00:43:01,705 --> 00:43:03,081 I mean, where is it now? 548 00:43:03,707 --> 00:43:04,666 Madison. 549 00:43:06,126 --> 00:43:09,630 In the pathology lab, at the University of Wisconsin. 550 00:43:12,591 --> 00:43:13,800 No way, no. No way. 551 00:43:13,884 --> 00:43:16,595 Lionel, please. Just listen for once. 552 00:43:16,678 --> 00:43:17,888 He wrote a will. 553 00:43:18,597 --> 00:43:22,017 He said he wanted to be cremated as soon as possible, his whole body. 554 00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,144 You know, his brain's part of his body, okay? 555 00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:27,689 He said no open casket, no funeral, no headstone, no marker. 556 00:43:27,773 --> 00:43:30,150 If you care so much about Jeff's wishes, 557 00:43:30,233 --> 00:43:32,319 why'd you have a memorial service for him then? 558 00:43:32,402 --> 00:43:34,363 It was just a few family friends. 559 00:43:34,446 --> 00:43:35,822 But not his mother. 560 00:43:36,657 --> 00:43:40,327 Okay, the brain should be cremated. It should have been when the body was. 561 00:43:40,410 --> 00:43:44,247 We have a chance here, Lionel, to find out why he was the way he was. 562 00:43:44,331 --> 00:43:46,958 -Was it something he was born with? 563 00:43:48,126 --> 00:43:50,712 Maybe there was some small tumor somewhere? 564 00:43:50,796 --> 00:43:54,883 I think each of us has our own idea about why Jeff was the way he was, don't we? 565 00:43:54,966 --> 00:43:56,343 Oh, stop it. Shame on you. 566 00:43:56,426 --> 00:43:58,887 You know, they just did this very same thing 567 00:43:58,970 --> 00:44:01,765 with that, uh, John Wayne Gacy. 568 00:44:01,848 --> 00:44:05,560 They took out his brain, and they made slides and whatnot. 569 00:44:05,644 --> 00:44:08,188 You know what conclusion they reached? Perfectly normal. 570 00:44:08,271 --> 00:44:10,399 Well, that's what they're gonna say about Jeff's too. 571 00:44:10,482 --> 00:44:11,566 How do you know? 572 00:44:14,403 --> 00:44:16,655 Answer is no, Joyce. 573 00:44:17,489 --> 00:44:18,448 Never gonna happen. 574 00:44:19,241 --> 00:44:21,993 No, I think we need to try to put this behind us. 575 00:44:22,077 --> 00:44:24,037 Quit dragging it out and just… 576 00:44:25,038 --> 00:44:26,248 you know, move on. 577 00:44:28,750 --> 00:44:33,922 Mr. Dahmer, this is something that Mrs. Flint will choose to pursue in court. 578 00:44:34,881 --> 00:44:36,174 Yeah, I bet she will. 579 00:44:38,927 --> 00:44:42,347 If you be good, I'mma let you watch cartoons when we get home, okay? 580 00:44:43,390 --> 00:44:45,475 All right, let's see. 581 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,187 They got Oreos, Chips Ahoy, and Kee– 582 00:44:49,271 --> 00:44:51,064 Cookies! Cookies! 583 00:44:51,148 --> 00:44:52,691 Okay. Which one you want? 584 00:44:52,774 --> 00:44:54,901 -All of them! 585 00:44:54,985 --> 00:44:58,447 I'mma get you two. You know why? You're spoiled. 586 00:44:58,530 --> 00:45:02,325 And you know why you're spoiled? 'Cause you're Granny's little rascal. 587 00:45:02,993 --> 00:45:05,036 Come on, help me put this stuff up there. 588 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,955 You gonna be a big boy and help me? 589 00:45:13,503 --> 00:45:14,588 Next. 590 00:45:16,381 --> 00:45:20,177 The court recognizes a rather unusual situation here. 591 00:45:20,260 --> 00:45:23,847 It's one I certainly never encountered before and probably won't again. 592 00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:28,685 We have competing interest from the two parents of the deceased. 593 00:45:28,769 --> 00:45:33,023 I recognize the statement of wishes of Jeffrey Dahmer. 594 00:45:34,524 --> 00:45:37,402 And I'm also concerned with the issue of closure. 595 00:45:37,486 --> 00:45:42,574 This is a rather evil chapter in our human existence, so to speak. 596 00:45:43,450 --> 00:45:45,619 I believe it would be beneficial to the public 597 00:45:45,702 --> 00:45:49,122 and all concerned that there be closure. 598 00:45:50,582 --> 00:45:54,711 And that this matter is resolved once and for all, and we move on. 599 00:45:56,505 --> 00:45:57,506 Therefore… 600 00:45:59,966 --> 00:46:02,344 I hereby order the brain to be destroyed. 601 00:46:10,185 --> 00:46:14,731 I also have to say, I object to the very nature of this inquiry. 602 00:46:16,149 --> 00:46:19,194 When one considers an individual like the deceased, 603 00:46:19,986 --> 00:46:22,823 there is a temptation to try to know, 604 00:46:22,906 --> 00:46:24,825 and know definitively, 605 00:46:24,908 --> 00:46:27,202 why someone like Jeffrey Dahmer 606 00:46:27,285 --> 00:46:28,578 is what he is. 607 00:46:29,371 --> 00:46:30,622 Or was. 608 00:46:32,457 --> 00:46:34,876 I think there's a real danger there. 609 00:46:36,586 --> 00:46:39,506 There are no easy answers when it comes to someone like him. 610 00:46:43,677 --> 00:46:46,429 You'll never know why he did what he did. 611 00:46:51,226 --> 00:46:55,897 That's an uncomfortable truth, to be sure, but it's one you need to accept. 612 00:47:09,536 --> 00:47:12,372 Thank you for seeing me today, Ms. Yang. 613 00:47:12,455 --> 00:47:15,000 Of course, and I appreciate your patience, Ms. Cleveland. 614 00:47:15,083 --> 00:47:17,002 -We had to reschedule a few times. -Seven. 615 00:47:17,085 --> 00:47:18,128 I'm sorry? 616 00:47:18,211 --> 00:47:19,379 Seven times. 617 00:47:19,921 --> 00:47:22,966 That's how many times your office rescheduled this meeting. 618 00:47:23,049 --> 00:47:24,175 But it's okay. 619 00:47:24,843 --> 00:47:27,888 Like all those times I called the cops on Dahmer, 620 00:47:27,971 --> 00:47:30,265 I'm used to having to be persistent. 621 00:47:31,016 --> 00:47:33,518 So, Ms. Cleveland, how can I help you today? 622 00:47:34,019 --> 00:47:38,773 Well, I wanted to see how the progress was on the park. 623 00:47:39,566 --> 00:47:40,567 The park? 624 00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:42,903 Mm-hmm. The park memorial. 625 00:47:43,486 --> 00:47:49,117 I was told that the city was planning to turn the old Oxford Apartments on 25th 626 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,536 into a park after it was demolished. 627 00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:55,790 So I wrote your office a letter saying y'all ought to make the park 628 00:47:55,874 --> 00:47:57,709 a memorial to Dahmer's victims. 629 00:47:57,792 --> 00:48:00,253 And you wrote me back a real nice letter. 630 00:48:00,337 --> 00:48:03,381 Signed your name and everything, saying that you would look into it. 631 00:48:03,465 --> 00:48:05,008 Yes, right. Um… 632 00:48:05,091 --> 00:48:09,679 So anyway, I'm here on behalf of some of the victims' families to get an update. 633 00:48:09,763 --> 00:48:13,642 And I walked past there the other day, and it's still a vacant lot. 634 00:48:13,725 --> 00:48:15,060 I mean, I… 635 00:48:15,143 --> 00:48:16,478 It's been nearly two years. 636 00:48:16,561 --> 00:48:18,229 So I'm checking our system, 637 00:48:18,313 --> 00:48:21,942 and it seems we're still waiting on some permit approvals. 638 00:48:22,025 --> 00:48:23,652 How long do those take? 639 00:48:23,735 --> 00:48:27,572 Well, it's hard to say until Public Works finishes its safety inspection, 640 00:48:27,656 --> 00:48:31,326 which they can't start until City Planning Department starts their inspection. 641 00:48:31,409 --> 00:48:36,539 Ms. Yang, all we are asking for is a damn park. 642 00:48:36,623 --> 00:48:38,124 That shouldn't be that hard. 643 00:48:38,208 --> 00:48:40,210 We're not asking you to build a Taj Mahal. 644 00:48:40,293 --> 00:48:44,589 Ms. Cleveland, building anything in the city involves a lot of red tape. 645 00:48:44,673 --> 00:48:47,008 I realize it's frustrating. 646 00:48:48,927 --> 00:48:50,178 But can I be honest? 647 00:48:51,221 --> 00:48:53,765 There are a lot of people here 648 00:48:53,848 --> 00:48:55,850 who don't want to build anything on that lot. 649 00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:58,728 They'd just as soon forget what happened. 650 00:48:58,812 --> 00:49:00,981 Not everybody can forget. 651 00:49:01,690 --> 00:49:05,777 Y'all demolished the building, but that doesn't erase what happened. 652 00:49:05,860 --> 00:49:07,988 It only erases the victims. 653 00:49:08,071 --> 00:49:12,617 And all we are asking is that y'all put something on that site 654 00:49:12,701 --> 00:49:14,369 that honors their memory. 655 00:49:14,452 --> 00:49:16,121 It's the right thing to do. 656 00:49:16,204 --> 00:49:17,956 It's the decent thing to do. 657 00:49:19,457 --> 00:49:23,378 So will you please discuss this with your supervisor 658 00:49:23,461 --> 00:49:25,130 or whomever can do something? 659 00:49:25,213 --> 00:49:26,131 Absolutely. 660 00:49:26,214 --> 00:49:29,843 And I will do everything in my power to help expedite that process. 661 00:49:30,677 --> 00:49:32,971 But from my experience, these things take time, 662 00:49:33,054 --> 00:49:36,599 and I'm afraid that you and the families probably have to wait a little longer. 663 00:49:40,478 --> 00:49:42,063 Well, that's all right, Ms. Yang. 664 00:49:43,273 --> 00:49:44,774 'Cause I'm used to waitin'. 665 00:49:46,151 --> 00:49:48,695 I am determined to see this through. 666 00:49:49,237 --> 00:49:50,280 For the victims. 667 00:49:51,364 --> 00:49:52,490 For the families. 668 00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:56,036 I ain't gonna let Jeff Dahmer and his evil 669 00:49:56,119 --> 00:49:58,038 be the only thing folks remember. 670 00:49:59,289 --> 00:50:02,292 As long as I have breath, I'll keep waiting.