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[vehicle approaching]
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So you've never done
construction work before?
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No. Like I said, it's just stuff around
the house, helping my ma, you know.
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Don't sweat it. There's nothing to it.
And you got the right build for it.
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Oh. Well, thanks.
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Just come inside,
answer a couple of questions,
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and don't even think of it
like a job interview, okay?
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What, um… What's that smell?
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Oh, you know, probably a dead raccoon
or something down in the crawl space.
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-Here you go.
-What's this?
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[scoffs] What the heck do you think…?
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It's an RC Cola.
The heck's wrong with you?
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Sorry.
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-Thanks.
-Yeah.
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So you looking for full-time? Part-time?
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Oh, I mean, I'll take as many hours
as you can give me, you know?
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Just depends on what you wanna do.
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PDM stands for painting,
design, and maintenance,
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so, you know,
all kinds of work to be done.
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You go to that bar a lot?
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'Cause I never seen you in there before.
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-[exhales]
-Here.
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Let me show you something.
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[intense music playing]
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You Catholic?
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The only knot I remember from Boy Scouts.
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Tourniquet knot.
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It gets real tight, don't it?
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Your hand'll turn purple
I leave it like that.
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Hey, look at me.
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I wanna show you a trick.
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[groans]
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-[grunts]
-Ah!
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Oh yeah? Yeah?
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-Mm!
-[choking]
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[grunts]
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Mmm… [grunts]
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[coughing]
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[groans]
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[sighs]
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[groans loudly]
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Come on, man.
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-[moaning]
-Quit struggling.
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[victim screams]
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[attacker] You do not want to piss me off.
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Trust me.
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[victim whimpering]
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[gasping] No!
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[belt tightens]
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[muffled scream]
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[gasping]
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Please, God! Please, no! Please, God!
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[attacker] God can't help you.
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I'm God.
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[muffled screaming continues]
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Prison authorities in Illinois
are preparing to execute
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one of America's
most notorious serial killers.
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A federal judge on Wednesday
ruled that the execution
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of John Wayne Gacy can go forward.
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He is scheduled to die
by lethal injection on May 10th,
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giving the confessed murderer
just two months more to live
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after a legal battle
that has gone on for more than 14 years.
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Here now with more is Frank Currier.
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[Currier] It was 1978.
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The world first saw the horrifying images
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of body bags being pulled out
of John Wayne Gacy's house near Chicago.
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And of Gacy,
later convicted in the torture murders
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of 33 young men
and boys and condemned to die…
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[woman] Thank God.
They're finally gonna fry that guy.
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You do something like that,
you don't deserve to live.
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Man's gonna burn in hell
and not fast enough.
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He's the worst of the worst.
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He is not the worst.
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Who's worse than him?
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My neighbor.
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Oh.
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You ever smell a dead body, Linda?
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-No.
-I have.
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Jeff was cooking 'em up next door.
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Smell came right through the vent
into my house.
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Can't get it out of my nose.
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That smell.
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[Jeffrey grunts softly]
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The fuck?
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Sorry. My friend's sitting there.
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-[plate clatters]
-[man] Whoa.
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Fucking loony tune motherfucker!
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-Calm down.
-[whistle blows]
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Take care of that smirky ass.
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[man 2] You're a fucking freak, dude!
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[man 3] Fifty bucks
for your autograph? No way.
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Come on, man.
It's got to be worth at least, what?
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A hundred bucks.
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That's gonna be a collector's item.
I'm giving you a discount.
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Hey. I'll throw in some porno pics
these girls have been sending me.
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I got no use for 'em.
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[man 3] Porno pics?
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[Jeffrey]
Pussies hanging out, everything.
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[man 3] Okay, JD.
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[cell door buzzes, opens]
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[man 4] Yo, this is bullshit!
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[Jeffrey] Sorry, fellas.
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Don't get mad just 'cause
I'm getting a little sun today.
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[man 4] Why does he get private time
in the yard?
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Bitch!
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[inmates complaining indistinctly]
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[suspenseful music playing]
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Mm.
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[loud bang]
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Yo, I'm tired of your disrespect, Dahmer.
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Disrespect?
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Playing with your food,
your fucking sick-ass jokes,
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selling your autographs like you
some kind of celebrity or something?
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You think prison is a game?
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Think we're here
for your fucking amusement?
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Hey, man, I didn't mean any disrespect.
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I'm just trying to pass my time.
Same as you.
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You ain't the same as me.
I've atoned for my sins.
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Whatever you did to get in this joint,
it's clear that you got zero remorse.
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I'm a Christian,
and I find your behavior offensive.
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Okay.
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Stop being an asshole
and quit your fucking games.
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Scarver! Let's take a walk.
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Jeez.
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And why exactly
are you doing research on Mr. Dahmer?
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I'm not doing research on him.
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I just want to see
what he did to get in here.
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And see what the big deal about him is.
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Time spent in solitary
has put me out of the loop, is all.
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Well, Mr. Scarver,
according to the system,
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because of your psychiatric condition,
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your access to certain
viewing materials is restricted.
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Look, like I told the doctors,
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certain food causes me
to have these psychotic breaks.
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You know, bread, refined sugar,
and all that artificial crap.
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Ever since I changed my diet
and found Christ…
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I've been okay.
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Come on, Ms. G. Pretty please?
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[tense music playing]
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[groans]
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Oh…
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[gasps]
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Uh…
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[tense, eerie music playing]
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[music continues]
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[gasping]
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[paper ripping]
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[sniffling]
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[Gacy on TV]
…drank a lot, and when he drank a lot,
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yeah, he was abusive.
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[reporter] Maybe that's where
it began to go wrong for John Gacy.
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He doesn't know, nor does he seem to care.
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He loses himself in his paintings.
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This is Christ as I see him in myself.
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And it's monolithic
because Christ, to me, is monolithic.
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He's all things to all people.
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You're not worried about facing God?
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No. I'm fairly comfortable with him.
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At the Catholic services,
I've been the server for the priest
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for the last ten years.
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And I have no qualms about doing that.
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I've had confession, had Communion.
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So, I'm at peace with myself.
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[reporter] John Gacy now faces
death by lethal injection.
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Tomorrow night we'll hear how
he's the victim for being found guilty.
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[indistinct conversation]
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Hey.
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Uh…
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Can I talk to you a sec?
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Absolutely.
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[Jeffrey] So, why do you think
there's so many of us now?
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[priest] You mean inmates?
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No, I mean, uh, guys like me.
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People they call, uh,
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serial killers.
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Well, I'm not sure
anybody knows the answer to that.
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Some say
it's the interstate highway system.
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A relatively new invention
in the history of this country.
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You can kill somebody and disappear fast,
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dump the body a thousand miles away.
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Or maybe it was World War II or Vietnam.
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Dads coming back
from the war, they're traumatized.
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Don't talk about it.
They're absent, abusive.
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They raise troubled sons.
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There's also the explosion
and wide availability of pornography,
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which wasn't the case until the 1970s.
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You believe there's such a thing as just…
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being evil?
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I think you could
probably guess that I do.
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[chuckles]
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You know, I went
to church as a little kid.
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And then one Halloween,
I went as the devil.
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And, uh, something felt good about that.
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Then I got a little older…
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and I made an altar to him.
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The devil.
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And I was planning
on making a life-size one.
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That's what I was saving
a lot of the body parts for.
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Even in movies, like Star Wars…
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you know, I always like
the bad guys more, you know?
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[priest chuckles]
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Well, so did I.
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Those characters are written better.
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[laughs]
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Yeah.
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What do you really want to ask me, Jeff?
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Well…
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I was watching that, uh,
that John Wayne Gacy on the news.
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You know, people say we're the same
'cause we both did terrible things.
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But…
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I really think we're different.
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I admitted to everything.
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All of it.
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And Gacy still says he didn't do it.
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I wanted the death penalty.
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And he was saying
that he's not afraid to die,
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'cause he's made his peace with God.
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And he's gonna go to heaven.
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So, I guess my question is,
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do you think God's forgiven him
for all that?
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Are you asking about him
or about yourself, Jeff?
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I don't think I deserve forgiveness
for what I done.
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Well, it's not about "deserve," Jeff.
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That's the thing about grace.
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We don't deserve it, but we get it anyway.
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You know, Jesus wasn't alone
when he was dying on the cross.
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There were two criminals
that were being crucified with him.
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And one of them said to Jesus,
kind of making fun of him,
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he says, "Hey, if you're the Son of God,
why don't you save yourself?"
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"And save us while you're at it."
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But the other one,
he shouts this guy down,
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says, "Hold on."
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"You and me, we're criminals.
We're getting what we deserve."
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"But this guy, Jesus,
he didn't do nothing wrong."
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Then he says to Jesus,
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"Remember me
when you come into your kingdom."
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And so, Jesus turns to him,
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and you know what he says?
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He says, "Today, you will be
with me in paradise."
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Jesus didn't ask him
what he'd done to get crucified,
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didn't ask him if he was sorry.
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All this guy had to do to be saved
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was to believe
that Jesus was the Son of God.
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[pastor] And let us not forget,
Heavenly Father,
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that you are a loving,
merciful, and just God.
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And we ask that we may practice
mercy and forgiveness in our own lives
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as you have shown mercy
and forgiveness to us.
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In the name of the Father,
the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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Amen.
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[all] Amen.
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[chuckling] And Sandra?
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[Glenda] She's good.
About to have her second baby.
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Praise the Lord.
[chuckling] Boy or girl?
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We don't know yet.
We fixing to find out next week.
255
00:16:14,266 --> 00:16:16,727
-Well, give her my best when you see her.
-I will.
256
00:16:17,811 --> 00:16:20,897
So, why'd you want to see me?
257
00:16:24,443 --> 00:16:25,527
Well, Pastor…
258
00:16:28,780 --> 00:16:34,244
what you said in your closing prayer
today about forgiveness,
259
00:16:35,162 --> 00:16:36,288
showing mercy,
260
00:16:36,371 --> 00:16:39,082
I mean, I know
it's the Christian thing to do.
261
00:16:39,166 --> 00:16:41,501
And we all have fallen short,
262
00:16:41,585 --> 00:16:46,048
and at some point or another,
we all deserve grace.
263
00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,640
But when it comes to Jeff Dahmer,
264
00:16:57,309 --> 00:16:58,769
I can't forgive him.
265
00:17:01,855 --> 00:17:05,859
Even though there may be
something wrong with his brain,
266
00:17:05,942 --> 00:17:08,528
or he couldn't control hisself…
267
00:17:11,573 --> 00:17:12,657
I can't.
268
00:17:14,326 --> 00:17:18,538
My heart is full of hate.
269
00:17:20,332 --> 00:17:21,458
Mmm.
270
00:17:21,541 --> 00:17:22,626
Revenge.
271
00:17:24,628 --> 00:17:29,841
I thought him being in jail
for the rest of his life would be enough.
272
00:17:32,135 --> 00:17:33,220
It's not.
273
00:17:38,683 --> 00:17:40,227
I want to see him suffer.
274
00:17:43,063 --> 00:17:45,065
I even have nightmares about it.
275
00:17:47,109 --> 00:17:51,113
And I see myself hurting him.
276
00:17:55,158 --> 00:17:56,409
Giving him pain,
277
00:17:57,953 --> 00:18:00,831
making him beg for mercy.
278
00:18:04,543 --> 00:18:06,128
I'm scared, Pastor.
279
00:18:07,754 --> 00:18:08,880
[sobs]
280
00:18:08,964 --> 00:18:10,257
I'm so scared.
281
00:18:12,717 --> 00:18:17,305
I just wish
I could get past these feelings.
282
00:18:17,389 --> 00:18:19,141
You know? That… that…
283
00:18:20,475 --> 00:18:24,229
that… that I could
stop living in vengeance.
284
00:18:25,355 --> 00:18:27,691
That I could get to a better place.
285
00:18:27,774 --> 00:18:30,986
Maybe, I don't know, maybe not forgiveness
286
00:18:31,069 --> 00:18:32,988
but something close to it?
287
00:18:38,577 --> 00:18:42,747
'Cause if I keep letting hate
and anger consume me…
288
00:18:46,585 --> 00:18:48,837
I'm not gonna know myself no more.
289
00:18:55,093 --> 00:18:56,595
You have a big heart, Glenda.
290
00:18:57,762 --> 00:19:01,141
Which can be both a blessing and a curse.
291
00:19:01,933 --> 00:19:04,853
And you have every right
to feel those feelings
292
00:19:04,936 --> 00:19:06,563
and think those thoughts.
293
00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:09,191
But how do I make them stop?
294
00:19:09,274 --> 00:19:10,233
You can't.
295
00:19:11,026 --> 00:19:12,819
-[clicks tongue]
-You can't.
296
00:19:12,903 --> 00:19:17,782
All you can do is pray for strength
and ask for God's guidance every day.
297
00:19:20,243 --> 00:19:22,370
And perhaps come to church
a little more often.
298
00:19:22,454 --> 00:19:24,039
[laughs]
299
00:19:24,122 --> 00:19:25,916
Yeah. [sniffles]
300
00:19:25,999 --> 00:19:27,125
Yeah.
301
00:19:27,751 --> 00:19:28,627
[sniffles]
302
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:30,462
It's not gonna happen overnight.
303
00:19:32,339 --> 00:19:33,590
It just takes time.
304
00:19:35,175 --> 00:19:40,180
And then one day,
maybe a month from now, maybe a year,
305
00:19:42,098 --> 00:19:44,392
you will see
Jeffrey Dahmer's face somewhere,
306
00:19:45,227 --> 00:19:46,811
and you won't feel a thing.
307
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:53,777
[door buzzes]
308
00:20:05,413 --> 00:20:07,040
-Hi, Dad.
-Hey, Jeff.
309
00:20:07,123 --> 00:20:07,958
How you doing?
310
00:20:08,041 --> 00:20:09,626
-Good to see you.
-You too.
311
00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:11,294
-You look good.
-Thanks.
312
00:20:11,378 --> 00:20:12,504
You look healthier.
313
00:20:12,587 --> 00:20:13,880
-I do?
-Yeah.
314
00:20:14,381 --> 00:20:15,340
Hmm.
315
00:20:15,924 --> 00:20:19,928
Maybe it's the pills they got me on.
They gave me that Prozac.
316
00:20:20,679 --> 00:20:22,097
-Oh, yeah?
-Yeah.
317
00:20:22,180 --> 00:20:23,723
What, you think it helps?
318
00:20:23,807 --> 00:20:26,476
Yeah, I think it helps even me out.
319
00:20:27,852 --> 00:20:31,773
And there's no booze in here.
I think that was a lot of my problem.
320
00:20:31,856 --> 00:20:33,692
Yeah, I think so too.
321
00:20:33,775 --> 00:20:35,277
[both sighs]
322
00:20:36,111 --> 00:20:37,821
You miss it, the drinking?
323
00:20:38,863 --> 00:20:40,782
Oh, every hour of every day.
324
00:20:40,865 --> 00:20:41,866
Yeah.
325
00:20:41,950 --> 00:20:44,536
So it's probably good
I can't get any, you know?
326
00:20:44,619 --> 00:20:45,704
[chuckles]
327
00:20:49,541 --> 00:20:51,167
I was thinking about you and Shari.
328
00:20:51,251 --> 00:20:54,796
You guys should, uh, maybe go
on a vacation with all that book money.
329
00:20:54,879 --> 00:20:57,048
Oh, yeah, the book, yeah.
330
00:20:58,300 --> 00:21:00,593
Yeah. The book didn't do so well, Jeff.
331
00:21:00,677 --> 00:21:03,388
Uh, the reviews were good, but--
332
00:21:03,471 --> 00:21:05,140
And I understand why.
333
00:21:05,223 --> 00:21:06,516
I think a lot of people…
334
00:21:08,226 --> 00:21:12,022
thought that I was trying to profit
from the victims and whatnot.
335
00:21:12,105 --> 00:21:15,150
You know? It's not true.
But what are you gonna do?
336
00:21:15,817 --> 00:21:19,154
It was probably cursed
from the beginning, so…
337
00:21:19,237 --> 00:21:20,196
Hm.
338
00:21:22,615 --> 00:21:23,658
Yeah.
339
00:21:25,744 --> 00:21:27,287
[scoffs] Uh…
340
00:21:28,621 --> 00:21:30,332
There's something I gotta tell you.
341
00:21:31,416 --> 00:21:33,126
Something I'm planning on doing.
342
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:36,838
[inhales]
343
00:21:36,921 --> 00:21:38,548
I want to get baptized.
344
00:21:39,924 --> 00:21:41,301
[clicks tongue] Jeff…
345
00:21:42,093 --> 00:21:43,470
That's wonderful, son.
346
00:21:43,553 --> 00:21:44,679
[Jeffrey chuckles]
347
00:21:44,763 --> 00:21:46,056
[laughs]
348
00:21:46,139 --> 00:21:47,724
[Jeffrey] I thought you'd be happy.
349
00:21:48,475 --> 00:21:51,311
Only problem is
they don't got a baptismal tank in here,
350
00:21:51,394 --> 00:21:55,106
and, uh, I still got to
find somebody to baptize me.
351
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:57,359
[happily] It's just-- That's so great.
352
00:21:58,860 --> 00:22:00,653
-Yeah.
-That's so great.
353
00:22:01,738 --> 00:22:02,989
And, you know, uh…
354
00:22:06,576 --> 00:22:10,372
baptism's all about
washing away all your sins.
355
00:22:11,164 --> 00:22:12,207
Uh…
356
00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:17,670
God forgiving you is one thing.
I know he can do that, but, uh…
357
00:22:19,798 --> 00:22:22,342
I guess what I wanted
to ask you, Dad, is if, uh…
358
00:22:27,347 --> 00:22:29,182
if you could ever forgive me.
359
00:22:37,732 --> 00:22:38,608
I will.
360
00:22:40,944 --> 00:22:42,404
I'll forgive you, son.
361
00:22:45,323 --> 00:22:46,324
I do.
362
00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:48,243
I have.
363
00:22:51,079 --> 00:22:52,372
Because you're my son.
364
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:58,628
Yeah.
365
00:23:00,755 --> 00:23:01,798
That's good.
366
00:23:05,218 --> 00:23:06,261
Thanks, Dad.
367
00:23:07,303 --> 00:23:11,057
[upbeat Laotian music playing]
368
00:23:26,406 --> 00:23:27,407
Hey there.
369
00:23:28,158 --> 00:23:30,702
Glenda, thank you for coming.
370
00:23:30,785 --> 00:23:32,078
Thank you for inviting me.
371
00:23:32,162 --> 00:23:34,414
You Lao folks
sure know how to throw a wedding.
372
00:23:34,873 --> 00:23:35,999
Please, sit.
373
00:23:39,711 --> 00:23:40,545
Whiskey?
374
00:23:40,628 --> 00:23:41,629
Oh, no. I'm good.
375
00:23:41,713 --> 00:23:42,714
It's tradition.
376
00:23:44,466 --> 00:23:45,717
Okay.
377
00:23:54,517 --> 00:23:55,768
[coughs]
378
00:23:55,852 --> 00:23:57,729
Ooh. [coughs]
379
00:23:58,980 --> 00:24:00,356
That is strong.
380
00:24:01,524 --> 00:24:03,193
Better not have too many of these
381
00:24:03,276 --> 00:24:05,945
or you might not even remember
your son's wedding.
382
00:24:09,407 --> 00:24:11,075
I'm really happy for you, Sounthone.
383
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,662
You and your family deserve this.
384
00:24:14,746 --> 00:24:17,707
Especially after everything
that's happened.
385
00:24:19,334 --> 00:24:20,627
Today's a good day.
386
00:24:21,419 --> 00:24:23,421
[song continues]
387
00:24:27,091 --> 00:24:29,093
I try to be happy for my family.
388
00:24:30,428 --> 00:24:33,973
I smile. I try to be strong.
389
00:24:36,267 --> 00:24:40,855
I keep waiting
to feel like myself again before.
390
00:24:42,524 --> 00:24:43,900
It just gets worse.
391
00:24:45,109 --> 00:24:46,986
Because every morning I get up,
392
00:24:48,029 --> 00:24:51,741
and I remember
Jeffrey Dahmer is still alive.
393
00:24:53,535 --> 00:24:54,786
But not Konerak.
394
00:24:56,496 --> 00:24:57,622
Not my son.
395
00:24:58,748 --> 00:24:59,791
[Glenda] I get it.
396
00:25:02,544 --> 00:25:04,379
Maybe the best we can do
397
00:25:05,046 --> 00:25:07,340
is just keep pretending to be strong.
398
00:25:08,383 --> 00:25:12,720
And eventually, one day,
maybe we'll forget we're pretending.
399
00:25:13,555 --> 00:25:15,557
[song ends]
400
00:25:17,392 --> 00:25:20,228
[mid-tempo song playing]
401
00:25:24,566 --> 00:25:25,984
Come on, Sounthone.
402
00:25:26,067 --> 00:25:28,820
Let's get out on this dance floor
and show 'em how it's done.
403
00:25:36,661 --> 00:25:37,787
Okay.
404
00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:42,333
"Dahmer vs. Jesus"?
405
00:25:43,543 --> 00:25:44,460
Is this for real?
406
00:25:44,544 --> 00:25:47,380
It's the newest issue
in his Jeffrey Dahmer series.
407
00:25:47,463 --> 00:25:48,464
Hmm.
408
00:25:48,548 --> 00:25:51,175
Just when you thought folks
couldn't stoop any lower.
409
00:25:51,259 --> 00:25:52,385
It's sick.
410
00:25:52,468 --> 00:25:55,096
It's like they're
making him into a superhero.
411
00:25:55,179 --> 00:25:56,639
Freedom of speech, my ass.
412
00:25:56,723 --> 00:25:57,724
[Shirley] I know, girl.
413
00:25:57,807 --> 00:26:00,643
Though, to be honest, I'm not sure
who should be offended more,
414
00:26:00,727 --> 00:26:02,061
us or Jesus.
415
00:26:02,145 --> 00:26:03,438
So what do we do?
416
00:26:03,521 --> 00:26:05,398
I say we file another lawsuit.
417
00:26:05,481 --> 00:26:08,735
But we lost the last one.
Aren't we just gonna lose again?
418
00:26:08,818 --> 00:26:10,111
There's a chance we might.
419
00:26:10,194 --> 00:26:11,821
Then is it really worth it?
420
00:26:11,904 --> 00:26:15,533
Are you saying that we should
just forgive and forget what Dahmer did
421
00:26:15,617 --> 00:26:18,202
and allow these folks
to continue to profit off of him?
422
00:26:18,286 --> 00:26:21,998
[Dorothy] Why expend all that effort
to file another lawsuit
423
00:26:22,081 --> 00:26:24,375
if at the end of the day
we lose again in court?
424
00:26:24,459 --> 00:26:26,377
Because it makes a statement.
425
00:26:27,378 --> 00:26:31,674
It reminds people
that Jeff Dahmer isn't a superhero.
426
00:26:31,758 --> 00:26:33,551
He's a serial killer.
427
00:26:35,553 --> 00:26:40,141
It also reminds them that our sons
weren't just Jeff Dahmer's victims.
428
00:26:40,224 --> 00:26:43,061
They were real people. They lived.
429
00:26:43,895 --> 00:26:45,438
They sang in the choir,
430
00:26:46,189 --> 00:26:49,567
loved to dance, teased their sisters.
431
00:26:50,068 --> 00:26:53,321
They were young men who had hopes
and dreams for the future.
432
00:26:54,072 --> 00:26:55,198
And mothers…
433
00:26:57,533 --> 00:26:59,202
who loved them.
434
00:27:01,037 --> 00:27:03,164
So even if we lose in court,
435
00:27:03,247 --> 00:27:05,792
if we can manage to get that point across,
436
00:27:05,875 --> 00:27:07,919
we win without winning.
437
00:27:13,091 --> 00:27:15,259
I know I'm not going to read this.
438
00:27:15,343 --> 00:27:19,138
But I hope Jesus
whoops Jeffrey Dahmer's ass.
439
00:27:19,222 --> 00:27:23,101
[all laugh]
440
00:27:28,856 --> 00:27:29,899
[man 5 sighs]
441
00:27:31,150 --> 00:27:32,735
[priest] Don't look right at it.
442
00:27:33,611 --> 00:27:34,862
Put these on.
443
00:27:34,946 --> 00:27:35,822
Thanks.
444
00:27:36,447 --> 00:27:39,409
Really makes it hard
to doubt there's a God, doesn't it?
445
00:27:39,492 --> 00:27:41,369
Total eclipse of the sun.
446
00:27:43,204 --> 00:27:45,373
The hour John Wayne Gacy's executed.
447
00:27:46,165 --> 00:27:48,501
The same day Jeffrey Dahmer's baptized.
448
00:27:48,584 --> 00:27:50,962
We use this for
rehabbing injuries and whatnot.
449
00:27:51,045 --> 00:27:52,547
-Will this work?
-I… Um…
450
00:27:53,506 --> 00:27:55,800
Yeah, I believe it would. [chuckles]
451
00:27:55,883 --> 00:27:56,968
Anything else you need?
452
00:27:57,051 --> 00:27:59,887
[chuckles] I'm sorry. You're giving me
everything I'm asking for.
453
00:27:59,971 --> 00:28:01,639
I thought this was
gonna be a lot harder.
454
00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:03,725
Religion pacifies.
455
00:28:04,225 --> 00:28:05,351
[door unlocking]
456
00:28:05,435 --> 00:28:07,937
[man 5] You know, Warden, I spoke to him,
and I'm gonna tell you
457
00:28:08,020 --> 00:28:09,897
what I told your chaplains here.
458
00:28:09,981 --> 00:28:13,985
Dahmer wants to be saved. It is genuine.
459
00:28:15,111 --> 00:28:18,281
[man 6] John Wayne Gacy,
do you have any last words?
460
00:28:19,532 --> 00:28:20,742
Uh…
461
00:28:22,034 --> 00:28:23,369
How about
462
00:28:24,287 --> 00:28:26,330
you all kiss my ass.
463
00:28:26,414 --> 00:28:27,248
[gasps]
464
00:28:28,416 --> 00:28:29,876
How's that for last words?
465
00:28:29,959 --> 00:28:31,169
[cell door buzzes]
466
00:28:31,753 --> 00:28:32,879
[inmate] Where you going, JD?
467
00:28:33,463 --> 00:28:34,922
I'm getting baptized.
468
00:28:35,006 --> 00:28:37,550
[inmate 2] Yeah! Good for you, Jeff.
469
00:28:37,633 --> 00:28:39,552
[inmates cheering]
470
00:28:40,678 --> 00:28:42,889
[door buzzes, opens]
471
00:28:44,766 --> 00:28:48,603
[dramatic music playing]
472
00:29:00,531 --> 00:29:01,991
Someone made that for you?
473
00:29:02,575 --> 00:29:04,076
Yeah, nice, right?
474
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,787
Some lady in Oklahoma.
475
00:29:20,802 --> 00:29:22,094
[Scarver yelling]
476
00:29:22,178 --> 00:29:23,721
[panting]
477
00:29:24,305 --> 00:29:25,765
Motherfucker, man.
478
00:29:32,772 --> 00:29:35,650
[man 5] Jeff, I baptize you
479
00:29:35,733 --> 00:29:37,443
in the name of the Father,
480
00:29:39,237 --> 00:29:40,404
the Son,
481
00:29:41,989 --> 00:29:43,199
and the Holy Spirit
482
00:29:44,283 --> 00:29:45,910
for the forgiveness of sin.
483
00:29:47,078 --> 00:29:48,621
[sobbing] I don't know what to do.
484
00:29:48,704 --> 00:29:51,666
God Almighty, Heavenly Father,
you got to talk to me!
485
00:29:52,166 --> 00:29:54,085
You've got to tell me what to do!
486
00:30:02,885 --> 00:30:04,887
[music continues]
487
00:30:09,725 --> 00:30:11,727
[coughing]
488
00:30:22,446 --> 00:30:24,699
[doctor] Official time of death, 12:58.
489
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:28,494
-[woman sobbing]
-[man 7] That son of a bitch.
490
00:30:29,453 --> 00:30:30,746
[chuckles]
491
00:30:31,330 --> 00:30:33,499
-Welcome to the family of God.
-Yeah.
492
00:30:35,543 --> 00:30:37,295
-Yeah.
-[man 5] Congratulations, Jeff.
493
00:30:38,838 --> 00:30:40,089
You're saved.
494
00:30:43,509 --> 00:30:44,677
Thanks.
495
00:30:46,178 --> 00:30:47,179
Thank you.
496
00:30:47,263 --> 00:30:48,848
[Scarver] Talk to me, Lord, please.
497
00:30:49,765 --> 00:30:52,143
[sobbing] Just tell me what I gotta do.
498
00:30:53,728 --> 00:30:54,729
I'll do it.
499
00:31:01,652 --> 00:31:04,697
[music continues]
500
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,621
[sighs]
501
00:31:13,247 --> 00:31:14,832
[door buzzes]
502
00:31:21,589 --> 00:31:23,215
[door unlocks]
503
00:31:26,844 --> 00:31:28,012
Work duty.
504
00:31:30,932 --> 00:31:33,684
[sighs]
505
00:31:44,362 --> 00:31:46,155
So, JD,
506
00:31:46,238 --> 00:31:48,491
what you gonna do
with your 25 cents an hour?
507
00:31:48,574 --> 00:31:51,661
Blow it on porn or cigarettes?
508
00:31:52,536 --> 00:31:53,454
Don't know.
509
00:31:53,537 --> 00:31:55,498
Probably just give it to the church.
510
00:31:56,999 --> 00:31:58,501
Well, that's fucking lame.
511
00:32:02,505 --> 00:32:03,547
[snorts]
512
00:32:04,131 --> 00:32:06,467
-[laughs]
-Oh. [chuckles]
513
00:32:06,550 --> 00:32:07,551
You got me.
514
00:32:07,635 --> 00:32:09,387
I'm just fucking with you, man.
515
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:13,432
[footsteps approaching]
516
00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:16,978
[door unlocking]
517
00:32:21,107 --> 00:32:22,233
[guard] Work duty.
518
00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:56,892
Hey. You guys are getting
some help this morning.
519
00:33:01,147 --> 00:33:02,106
Sure.
520
00:33:03,566 --> 00:33:04,650
Fine by me.
521
00:33:17,705 --> 00:33:19,373
[spraying]
522
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:30,259
[inmate] I'm gonna clean the locker rooms.
Wanna lend me a hand?
523
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,635
Okay.
524
00:33:40,895 --> 00:33:43,147
[toilet flushing]
525
00:33:58,037 --> 00:34:00,748
[water running]
526
00:34:06,378 --> 00:34:08,380
[water stops]
527
00:34:10,633 --> 00:34:12,218
[mop handle clatters]
528
00:34:16,013 --> 00:34:17,056
[loud thud]
529
00:34:17,139 --> 00:34:18,974
[inmate screams]
530
00:34:19,725 --> 00:34:22,311
-[blows landing]
-[grunts]
531
00:34:22,394 --> 00:34:24,396
[breathing heavily]
532
00:34:27,108 --> 00:34:28,234
Jesse?
533
00:34:30,111 --> 00:34:33,531
[Scarver panting]
534
00:34:35,783 --> 00:34:37,910
[tense music playing]
535
00:34:39,787 --> 00:34:40,996
What'd you do to him?
536
00:34:42,081 --> 00:34:43,499
[Scarver] Don't cry for him.
537
00:34:46,001 --> 00:34:47,211
Dude murdered his wife.
538
00:34:47,753 --> 00:34:51,382
Stabbed her in the face five fucking times
and tried to pin it on two Black guys.
539
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:54,552
Ain't that some shit?
540
00:34:58,889 --> 00:35:01,642
But ain't nothing compared
to what you did though, Dahmer.
541
00:35:04,812 --> 00:35:06,814
[panting]
542
00:35:08,065 --> 00:35:10,151
So, you didn't just murder them.
543
00:35:11,569 --> 00:35:13,237
You desecrated their bodies.
544
00:35:13,988 --> 00:35:15,781
And cannibalized their flesh.
545
00:35:15,865 --> 00:35:17,158
Answer me, Dahmer!
546
00:35:18,367 --> 00:35:19,910
Did you really eat their flesh?
547
00:35:22,288 --> 00:35:23,789
-Yes.
-God…
548
00:35:26,208 --> 00:35:27,793
And that 14-year-old boy?
549
00:35:31,005 --> 00:35:32,506
-Yes.
-Oh, what the fuck?
550
00:35:33,716 --> 00:35:35,217
What made you do it?
551
00:35:36,468 --> 00:35:37,636
Did you enjoy it?
552
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:39,471
I was lost.
553
00:35:40,931 --> 00:35:42,433
I turned away from God.
554
00:35:43,517 --> 00:35:44,768
So you believe in God?
555
00:35:45,811 --> 00:35:47,479
Yes, I do.
556
00:35:48,606 --> 00:35:50,191
I've returned to God.
557
00:35:52,443 --> 00:35:53,485
I feel…
558
00:35:55,821 --> 00:35:56,822
changed.
559
00:36:01,911 --> 00:36:03,454
I believe in God too.
560
00:36:06,957 --> 00:36:08,792
But my God is a god of vengeance.
561
00:36:09,335 --> 00:36:11,212
And He punishes evil.
562
00:36:12,379 --> 00:36:14,089
Been in it for a long time.
563
00:36:15,132 --> 00:36:17,676
And when He can't do it himself,
he sends in vessels
564
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,345
to execute His justice.
565
00:36:22,514 --> 00:36:24,225
The Lord spoke to me, Dahmer.
566
00:36:26,936 --> 00:36:29,688
He asked me to punish you
567
00:36:29,772 --> 00:36:32,191
for all them innocent lives you took
568
00:36:32,274 --> 00:36:34,276
and them families you destroyed.
569
00:36:35,319 --> 00:36:39,740
You may convince yourself
that God has forgiven you.
570
00:36:42,076 --> 00:36:44,119
But you can never escape God's wrath.
571
00:36:46,705 --> 00:36:48,207
It always catches up with you.
572
00:36:50,167 --> 00:36:51,252
Always.
573
00:36:54,046 --> 00:36:56,131
See, Dahmer,
574
00:36:59,301 --> 00:37:00,594
I'm His vessel.
575
00:37:04,556 --> 00:37:05,641
Understand?
576
00:37:07,810 --> 00:37:09,812
[music intensifies]
577
00:37:11,146 --> 00:37:14,149
[shudders]
578
00:37:20,072 --> 00:37:21,031
Okay.
579
00:37:28,789 --> 00:37:30,624
[groans]
580
00:37:33,794 --> 00:37:35,212
[metal clattering]
581
00:37:35,296 --> 00:37:37,548
You liked seeing them men
in pain, didn't you?
582
00:37:48,225 --> 00:37:49,935
And that 14-year-old boy,
583
00:37:50,769 --> 00:37:52,771
when you did them horrible things to him.
584
00:37:52,855 --> 00:37:53,814
[Dahmer] No.
585
00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:57,609
I drugged 'em first
so they wouldn't feel anything.
586
00:38:02,323 --> 00:38:03,490
Well, Dahmer,
587
00:38:04,783 --> 00:38:06,744
you 'bout to feel every second of this.
588
00:38:16,587 --> 00:38:18,047
[groans]
589
00:38:20,758 --> 00:38:21,592
[yelling]
590
00:38:23,635 --> 00:38:25,137
[drill whirring]
591
00:38:27,139 --> 00:38:28,891
-[grunting]
-[bar thudding]
592
00:38:30,601 --> 00:38:32,186
-[sizzling]
-[dull thuds]
593
00:38:32,770 --> 00:38:34,355
[yells]
594
00:38:34,855 --> 00:38:36,440
[panting]
595
00:39:02,216 --> 00:39:03,717
In the name of the Father,
596
00:39:05,386 --> 00:39:06,553
the Son,
597
00:39:08,138 --> 00:39:09,556
and the Holy Ghost.
598
00:39:14,895 --> 00:39:16,105
Amen.
599
00:39:21,151 --> 00:39:23,195
[door opens]
600
00:39:24,863 --> 00:39:26,156
[door closes]
601
00:39:28,242 --> 00:39:30,911
[alarm ringing]
602
00:39:32,871 --> 00:39:35,416
[telephone ringing]
603
00:39:38,252 --> 00:39:39,211
[Lionel] Hello?
604
00:39:40,003 --> 00:39:41,046
Speaking.
605
00:39:43,298 --> 00:39:44,842
Oh, no. Uh…
606
00:39:45,426 --> 00:39:47,010
Okay, we'll be right there.
607
00:39:50,848 --> 00:39:52,933
-Mr. Dahmer--
-Is he okay? Can we see him?
608
00:39:53,434 --> 00:39:54,393
Just, um…
609
00:39:56,103 --> 00:39:57,521
I'm afraid it's bad news.
610
00:39:57,604 --> 00:39:58,522
[Shari] No.
611
00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:39,313
[gasps]
612
00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:45,986
[sobbing] Oh, my God…
613
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:47,571
[sniffles]
614
00:40:47,654 --> 00:40:49,281
God, Jeff, I'm sorry.
615
00:40:51,742 --> 00:40:53,744
[sniffling]
616
00:40:55,287 --> 00:40:56,205
Oh…
617
00:40:58,373 --> 00:41:00,375
[sobs]
618
00:41:07,049 --> 00:41:08,050
I love you.
619
00:41:11,136 --> 00:41:13,347
I've loved you
since the day you were born.
620
00:41:16,016 --> 00:41:18,143
And I'll love you till the day that I die.
621
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:26,652
[continues sobbing]
622
00:41:30,405 --> 00:41:32,407
[Muzak-style music playing]
623
00:41:41,583 --> 00:41:42,793
[clears throat]
624
00:41:49,967 --> 00:41:50,968
[scoffs]
625
00:41:52,594 --> 00:41:53,595
What?
626
00:41:54,388 --> 00:41:56,014
I didn't say a thing, did I?
627
00:41:59,017 --> 00:42:00,227
[sighs]
628
00:42:04,690 --> 00:42:06,775
[man 8] Mr. Dahmer, Ms. Flint?
629
00:42:09,820 --> 00:42:10,821
Please.
630
00:42:13,407 --> 00:42:14,700
I don't understand.
631
00:42:14,783 --> 00:42:16,451
Jeff's body's been cremated.
632
00:42:16,535 --> 00:42:19,121
They sent the remains
to Shari and me two weeks ago.
633
00:42:19,204 --> 00:42:20,497
[Joyce] Half his remains.
634
00:42:21,081 --> 00:42:23,584
The other half went to me, okay?
His mother.
635
00:42:23,667 --> 00:42:26,461
After your son was killed,
636
00:42:26,545 --> 00:42:29,131
there was, of course, an autopsy.
637
00:42:29,214 --> 00:42:32,175
And when they do that,
you know, the body is kind of--
638
00:42:32,259 --> 00:42:33,093
Dissected?
639
00:42:33,176 --> 00:42:34,970
-Lionel knows all about that.
-[scoffs]
640
00:42:35,053 --> 00:42:37,598
He's who kind of sparked
Jeff's interest in the subject.
641
00:42:37,681 --> 00:42:39,641
You're a piece of work, aren't you, Joyce?
642
00:42:39,725 --> 00:42:41,560
Guys? Look, could we--?
643
00:42:42,227 --> 00:42:46,273
The brain was removed
to determine the cause of death.
644
00:42:46,356 --> 00:42:49,526
Now, Ms. Flint feels
that we have an opportunity here
645
00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:51,570
for something good
to come out of all this.
646
00:42:51,653 --> 00:42:55,949
Scientists at Fresno State University
would like to study Jeff's brain.
647
00:42:56,033 --> 00:42:59,453
What… Hold on. I don't understand.
648
00:42:59,536 --> 00:43:01,622
Where…
Where's his brain been all this time?
649
00:43:01,705 --> 00:43:03,081
I mean, where is it now?
650
00:43:03,707 --> 00:43:04,666
Madison.
651
00:43:06,126 --> 00:43:09,630
In the pathology lab,
at the University of Wisconsin.
652
00:43:12,591 --> 00:43:13,800
No way, no. No way.
653
00:43:13,884 --> 00:43:16,595
Lionel, please. Just listen for once.
654
00:43:16,678 --> 00:43:17,888
He wrote a will.
655
00:43:18,597 --> 00:43:22,017
He said he wanted to be cremated
as soon as possible, his whole body.
656
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,144
You know,
his brain's part of his body, okay?
657
00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:27,689
He said no open casket,
no funeral, no headstone, no marker.
658
00:43:27,773 --> 00:43:30,150
If you care so much about Jeff's wishes,
659
00:43:30,233 --> 00:43:32,319
why'd you have
a memorial service for him then?
660
00:43:32,402 --> 00:43:34,363
It was just a few family friends.
661
00:43:34,446 --> 00:43:35,822
But not his mother.
662
00:43:36,657 --> 00:43:40,327
Okay, the brain should be cremated.
It should have been when the body was.
663
00:43:40,410 --> 00:43:44,247
We have a chance here, Lionel,
to find out why he was the way he was.
664
00:43:44,331 --> 00:43:46,958
-[sighs]
-Was it something he was born with?
665
00:43:48,126 --> 00:43:50,712
Maybe there was
some small tumor somewhere?
666
00:43:50,796 --> 00:43:54,883
I think each of us has our own idea about
why Jeff was the way he was, don't we?
667
00:43:54,966 --> 00:43:56,343
Oh, stop it. Shame on you.
668
00:43:56,426 --> 00:43:58,887
You know,
they just did this very same thing
669
00:43:58,970 --> 00:44:01,765
with that, uh, John Wayne Gacy.
670
00:44:01,848 --> 00:44:05,560
They took out his brain,
and they made slides and whatnot.
671
00:44:05,644 --> 00:44:08,188
You know what conclusion
they reached? Perfectly normal.
672
00:44:08,271 --> 00:44:10,399
Well, that's what
they're gonna say about Jeff's too.
673
00:44:10,482 --> 00:44:11,566
How do you know?
674
00:44:14,403 --> 00:44:16,655
Answer is no, Joyce.
675
00:44:17,489 --> 00:44:18,448
Never gonna happen.
676
00:44:19,241 --> 00:44:21,993
No, I think we need to try
to put this behind us.
677
00:44:22,077 --> 00:44:24,037
Quit dragging it out and just…
678
00:44:25,038 --> 00:44:26,248
you know, move on.
679
00:44:28,750 --> 00:44:33,922
Mr. Dahmer, this is something that
Mrs. Flint will choose to pursue in court.
680
00:44:34,881 --> 00:44:36,174
Yeah, I bet she will.
681
00:44:38,927 --> 00:44:42,347
If you be good, I'mma let you watch
cartoons when we get home, okay?
682
00:44:43,390 --> 00:44:45,475
All right, let's see.
683
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,187
They got Oreos, Chips Ahoy, and Kee–
684
00:44:49,271 --> 00:44:51,064
Cookies! Cookies!
685
00:44:51,148 --> 00:44:52,691
[laughs] Okay. Which one you want?
686
00:44:52,774 --> 00:44:54,901
-All of them!
-[Glenda chuckles]
687
00:44:54,985 --> 00:44:58,447
I'mma get you two.
You know why? You're spoiled.
688
00:44:58,530 --> 00:45:02,325
And you know why you're spoiled?
'Cause you're Granny's little rascal.
689
00:45:02,993 --> 00:45:05,036
Come on, help me put this stuff up there.
690
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,955
You gonna be a big boy and help me?
691
00:45:13,503 --> 00:45:14,588
[cashier] Next.
692
00:45:16,381 --> 00:45:20,177
[judge] The court recognizes
a rather unusual situation here.
693
00:45:20,260 --> 00:45:23,847
It's one I certainly never encountered
before and probably won't again.
694
00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:28,685
We have competing interest
from the two parents of the deceased.
695
00:45:28,769 --> 00:45:33,023
I recognize the statement
of wishes of Jeffrey Dahmer.
696
00:45:34,524 --> 00:45:37,402
And I'm also concerned
with the issue of closure.
697
00:45:37,486 --> 00:45:42,574
This is a rather evil chapter
in our human existence, so to speak.
698
00:45:43,450 --> 00:45:45,619
I believe it would be
beneficial to the public
699
00:45:45,702 --> 00:45:49,122
and all concerned that there be closure.
700
00:45:50,582 --> 00:45:54,711
And that this matter is resolved
once and for all, and we move on.
701
00:45:56,505 --> 00:45:57,506
Therefore…
702
00:45:59,966 --> 00:46:02,344
I hereby order the brain to be destroyed.
703
00:46:03,136 --> 00:46:05,138
[whale sound playing]
704
00:46:10,185 --> 00:46:14,731
[judge] I also have to say, I object
to the very nature of this inquiry.
705
00:46:16,149 --> 00:46:19,194
When one considers
an individual like the deceased,
706
00:46:19,986 --> 00:46:22,823
there is a temptation to try to know,
707
00:46:22,906 --> 00:46:24,825
and know definitively,
708
00:46:24,908 --> 00:46:27,202
why someone like Jeffrey Dahmer
709
00:46:27,285 --> 00:46:28,578
is what he is.
710
00:46:29,371 --> 00:46:30,622
Or was.
711
00:46:32,457 --> 00:46:34,876
I think there's a real danger there.
712
00:46:36,586 --> 00:46:39,506
There are no easy answers
when it comes to someone like him.
713
00:46:40,799 --> 00:46:42,551
[gas hissing]
714
00:46:43,677 --> 00:46:46,429
[judge]
You'll never know why he did what he did.
715
00:46:51,226 --> 00:46:55,897
That's an uncomfortable truth, to be sure,
but it's one you need to accept.
716
00:46:57,566 --> 00:46:59,568
[intense music playing]
717
00:47:09,536 --> 00:47:12,372
Thank you for seeing me today, Ms. Yang.
718
00:47:12,455 --> 00:47:15,000
Of course, and I appreciate
your patience, Ms. Cleveland.
719
00:47:15,083 --> 00:47:17,002
-We had to reschedule a few times.
-Seven.
720
00:47:17,085 --> 00:47:18,128
I'm sorry?
721
00:47:18,211 --> 00:47:19,379
Seven times.
722
00:47:19,921 --> 00:47:22,966
That's how many times
your office rescheduled this meeting.
723
00:47:23,049 --> 00:47:24,175
But it's okay.
724
00:47:24,843 --> 00:47:27,888
Like all those times
I called the cops on Dahmer,
725
00:47:27,971 --> 00:47:30,265
I'm used to having to be persistent.
726
00:47:31,016 --> 00:47:33,518
So, Ms. Cleveland,
how can I help you today?
727
00:47:34,019 --> 00:47:38,773
Well, I wanted to see
how the progress was on the park.
728
00:47:39,566 --> 00:47:40,567
The park?
729
00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:42,903
Mm-hmm. The park memorial.
730
00:47:43,486 --> 00:47:49,117
I was told that the city was planning
to turn the old Oxford Apartments on 25th
731
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,536
into a park after it was demolished.
732
00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:55,790
So I wrote your office a letter
saying y'all ought to make the park
733
00:47:55,874 --> 00:47:57,709
a memorial to Dahmer's victims.
734
00:47:57,792 --> 00:48:00,253
And you wrote me back a real nice letter.
735
00:48:00,337 --> 00:48:03,381
Signed your name and everything,
saying that you would look into it.
736
00:48:03,465 --> 00:48:05,008
Yes, right. Um…
737
00:48:05,091 --> 00:48:09,679
So anyway, I'm here on behalf of some
of the victims' families to get an update.
738
00:48:09,763 --> 00:48:13,642
And I walked past there the other day,
and it's still a vacant lot.
739
00:48:13,725 --> 00:48:15,060
I mean, I…
740
00:48:15,143 --> 00:48:16,478
It's been nearly two years.
741
00:48:16,561 --> 00:48:18,229
So I'm checking our system,
742
00:48:18,313 --> 00:48:21,942
and it seems we're still waiting
on some permit approvals.
743
00:48:22,025 --> 00:48:23,652
How long do those take?
744
00:48:23,735 --> 00:48:27,572
Well, it's hard to say until Public Works
finishes its safety inspection,
745
00:48:27,656 --> 00:48:31,326
which they can't start until City Planning
Department starts their inspection.
746
00:48:31,409 --> 00:48:36,539
Ms. Yang,
all we are asking for is a damn park.
747
00:48:36,623 --> 00:48:38,124
That shouldn't be that hard.
748
00:48:38,208 --> 00:48:40,210
We're not asking you to build a Taj Mahal.
749
00:48:40,293 --> 00:48:44,589
Ms. Cleveland, building anything
in the city involves a lot of red tape.
750
00:48:44,673 --> 00:48:47,008
I realize it's frustrating.
751
00:48:47,092 --> 00:48:48,218
[sighs]
752
00:48:48,927 --> 00:48:50,178
But can I be honest?
753
00:48:51,221 --> 00:48:53,765
There are a lot of people here
754
00:48:53,848 --> 00:48:55,850
who don't want
to build anything on that lot.
755
00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:58,728
They'd just as soon forget what happened.
756
00:48:58,812 --> 00:49:00,981
Not everybody can forget.
757
00:49:01,690 --> 00:49:05,777
Y'all demolished the building,
but that doesn't erase what happened.
758
00:49:05,860 --> 00:49:07,988
It only erases the victims.
759
00:49:08,071 --> 00:49:12,617
And all we are asking
is that y'all put something on that site
760
00:49:12,701 --> 00:49:14,369
that honors their memory.
761
00:49:14,452 --> 00:49:16,121
It's the right thing to do.
762
00:49:16,204 --> 00:49:17,956
It's the decent thing to do.
763
00:49:19,457 --> 00:49:23,378
So will you please
discuss this with your supervisor
764
00:49:23,461 --> 00:49:25,130
or whomever can do something?
765
00:49:25,213 --> 00:49:26,131
Absolutely.
766
00:49:26,214 --> 00:49:29,843
And I will do everything in my power
to help expedite that process.
767
00:49:30,677 --> 00:49:32,971
But from my experience,
these things take time,
768
00:49:33,054 --> 00:49:36,599
and I'm afraid that you and the families
probably have to wait a little longer.
769
00:49:40,478 --> 00:49:42,063
Well, that's all right, Ms. Yang.
770
00:49:43,273 --> 00:49:44,774
'Cause I'm used to waitin'.
771
00:49:46,151 --> 00:49:48,695
I am determined to see this through.
772
00:49:49,237 --> 00:49:50,280
For the victims.
773
00:49:51,364 --> 00:49:52,490
For the families.
774
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:56,036
I ain't gonna let Jeff Dahmer and his evil
775
00:49:56,119 --> 00:49:58,038
be the only thing folks remember.
776
00:49:59,289 --> 00:50:02,292
As long as I have breath,
I'll keep waiting.
777
00:50:02,375 --> 00:50:04,878
[melancholy piano music playing]
778
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,082
[whale sound playing]
779
00:51:25,125 --> 00:51:27,544
[eerie music playing]