1 00:00:22,649 --> 00:00:24,568 {\an8}Kelly, can you... Don't drop her. 2 00:00:26,653 --> 00:00:28,280 - Let's go. - Naomi, do you mind if I just... 3 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,447 take a picture with you? 4 00:00:29,447 --> 00:00:31,116 - I'm on a private visit. - Oh, okay. 5 00:00:31,116 --> 00:00:32,409 Thank you so much. 6 00:00:32,409 --> 00:00:34,703 - Where are you from? - Syria. 7 00:00:35,287 --> 00:00:36,496 Okay, give me. 8 00:00:36,496 --> 00:00:37,706 What, my phone? 9 00:00:37,706 --> 00:00:39,958 No way. Are you gonna? Really? Okay. 10 00:00:44,337 --> 00:00:46,590 - Sweet. - That's not good. 11 00:00:47,173 --> 00:00:48,508 Don't worry, you look good. 12 00:00:50,385 --> 00:00:52,178 - There you go. Thank you. - Awesome. 13 00:00:55,390 --> 00:00:59,811 It's weird. That hasn't happened to me in months and months and months and... 14 00:00:59,811 --> 00:01:01,479 Yeah, but I felt bad. 15 00:01:01,479 --> 00:01:05,692 But I always want to say no, because my instant reaction is... 16 00:01:06,526 --> 00:01:11,156 is, like, a paparazzi thing, and they're not, they're nice people. 17 00:01:12,574 --> 00:01:15,535 - Naomi! - Naomi! Naomi! Naomi! 18 00:01:15,535 --> 00:01:18,246 - Naomi! Naomi! - Naomi! Naomi! 19 00:01:19,664 --> 00:01:22,250 Are you comfortable with all this press attention you're getting? 20 00:01:23,126 --> 00:01:24,836 I'm not used to it. 21 00:01:24,836 --> 00:01:26,713 On a good day, we couldn't walk around. 22 00:01:28,590 --> 00:01:31,218 Christy, you just signed a contract to become a spokesman for who is it? 23 00:01:31,218 --> 00:01:33,136 - Yes. Maybelline Cosmetics. - Maybelline. Yeah. 24 00:01:33,136 --> 00:01:37,265 You women have certainly become, like, the stars of the '90s, it seems. 25 00:01:37,933 --> 00:01:41,937 People got to know our names because we were everywhere. 26 00:01:46,191 --> 00:01:47,567 Guys. Please, move back. 27 00:01:47,567 --> 00:01:50,403 Guys, move it, or we'll stop. Let's give her some space. 28 00:01:50,820 --> 00:01:53,615 It was insane! Like, we're not The Beatles. 29 00:01:55,033 --> 00:02:00,830 {\an8}Their power was the fact that they transcended anything. 30 00:02:00,830 --> 00:02:02,415 Hopefully I'm gonna meet Prince tonight 31 00:02:02,415 --> 00:02:05,210 because he wrote a song called "Cindy C" but I've never met him. 32 00:02:06,294 --> 00:02:10,465 {\an8}So, you have power, celebrity, and then the power of celebrity. 33 00:02:10,465 --> 00:02:12,425 In the same month that communism collapsed, 34 00:02:12,425 --> 00:02:14,678 Naomi got the cover of Time. 35 00:02:14,678 --> 00:02:17,597 People begin to realize that we're intelligent, that we're businesswomen 36 00:02:17,597 --> 00:02:20,350 and we can take care of ourselves and our careers. 37 00:02:20,350 --> 00:02:22,978 - I guess it's "Freedom" by George Michael? - George Michael video, yeah. 38 00:02:22,978 --> 00:02:26,439 God, it would have been cheaper for George to get Sinatra to do the video 39 00:02:26,439 --> 00:02:28,650 than all those models and everything. 40 00:02:28,650 --> 00:02:30,360 We gave him a group rate. 41 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,153 A group rate? 42 00:02:35,323 --> 00:02:40,912 Fashion was the arena that made you famous, 43 00:02:40,912 --> 00:02:43,999 but then it was like, your, kind of, celebrity took over. 44 00:02:43,999 --> 00:02:46,126 If you guys would just keep calm, 45 00:02:46,126 --> 00:02:48,545 I'll sign as fast as I can, I promise, okay? 46 00:02:48,545 --> 00:02:49,838 But thanks so much for coming. 47 00:02:52,090 --> 00:02:53,758 They're sexier than centerfolds. 48 00:02:53,758 --> 00:02:57,596 They make more money in an hour than most actresses ever make for an entire film. 49 00:02:57,596 --> 00:02:59,556 Who are they? Supermodels. 50 00:03:17,282 --> 00:03:18,992 There's such a group right now, 51 00:03:18,992 --> 00:03:21,953 there's, like, a cluster of us that people seem to know. 52 00:03:24,748 --> 00:03:26,333 It's warming up. 53 00:03:30,921 --> 00:03:34,716 Being a model, I felt like I was becoming more, 54 00:03:34,716 --> 00:03:37,510 or looking like more of a woman 55 00:03:37,510 --> 00:03:43,308 than a teenage in between, bouncy-all-the-time model. 56 00:03:43,725 --> 00:03:46,478 I feel more womanly than I did-- than I used to. 57 00:03:48,897 --> 00:03:50,815 I had my stages. 58 00:03:51,566 --> 00:03:54,069 I went through some really awkward periods. 59 00:03:54,069 --> 00:03:58,406 But I think, in all my travels and in this job, I learned a lot. 60 00:04:01,409 --> 00:04:03,078 We looked powerful... 61 00:04:04,537 --> 00:04:08,833 and then we kind of were like... "Maybe we are powerful." 62 00:04:10,293 --> 00:04:13,004 And we started owning that power. 63 00:04:21,263 --> 00:04:24,307 Eventually, I got to start to choose who I wanted to work with. 64 00:04:25,809 --> 00:04:29,729 - Yeah. - You look so... No? 65 00:04:29,729 --> 00:04:31,773 I wouldn't just, you know, be happy 66 00:04:31,773 --> 00:04:33,733 that I was booked for the week or the month or the year. 67 00:04:34,276 --> 00:04:37,320 It was like, "Well, what do I want to do most?" 68 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,865 And no, I don't want to just hold my time because it's Vogue. 69 00:04:40,865 --> 00:04:43,535 Who's the photographer and who's the team? 70 00:04:44,828 --> 00:04:48,248 Once you know you can do that, that does start to make you feel like 71 00:04:48,248 --> 00:04:52,377 you can be a active participant in your career. 72 00:04:56,923 --> 00:04:59,009 {\an8}They attained power, they really did. 73 00:04:59,009 --> 00:05:02,888 {\an8}They had power over the fashion industry. And everybody wanted them. 74 00:05:04,222 --> 00:05:08,351 {\an8}But these models were, like, really on every page. 75 00:05:13,857 --> 00:05:16,318 {\an8}When we launched Harper's Bazaar 76 00:05:16,318 --> 00:05:20,447 to America, it was territorial. 77 00:05:21,489 --> 00:05:24,618 Because it was a territory that Vogue owned. 78 00:05:25,368 --> 00:05:29,581 At that point, Linda really was this kind of superstar 79 00:05:29,581 --> 00:05:32,584 that embodied anything you wanted her to be. 80 00:05:33,919 --> 00:05:40,091 So, for her to usher in in a different Harper's Bazaar, 81 00:05:40,091 --> 00:05:43,303 she took on a different stature. 82 00:05:45,138 --> 00:05:48,767 She was the epitome of what fashion was about at that time. 83 00:05:49,851 --> 00:05:53,605 She was like "Enter the Era of Elegance." 84 00:05:54,940 --> 00:05:57,651 And Bazaar rose to the occasion, absolutely. 85 00:05:57,651 --> 00:06:02,656 And did give Vogue magazine a challenge. 86 00:06:03,657 --> 00:06:09,996 I was so in demand, because I could move a product. 87 00:06:17,921 --> 00:06:20,215 Everyone in the fashion business, 88 00:06:20,215 --> 00:06:23,176 in every single corner of the fashion business, is here. 89 00:06:23,176 --> 00:06:26,179 There's the photographers, the models, the agents who are spotting the models. 90 00:06:26,179 --> 00:06:29,349 {\an8}There's the material people, I saw button people. 91 00:06:29,349 --> 00:06:31,476 Then there's the real photographers who can't get in 92 00:06:31,476 --> 00:06:33,061 'cause they don't have a pass. 93 00:06:34,813 --> 00:06:37,274 Fashion shows were real events. 94 00:06:38,775 --> 00:06:41,361 This is A, B is there, excuse me, madam. 95 00:06:41,361 --> 00:06:44,614 You wanted those invitations because there was so much glamour. 96 00:06:45,156 --> 00:06:46,616 Hello, how are you? 97 00:06:47,284 --> 00:06:48,785 Everybody there was fabulous. 98 00:06:49,703 --> 00:06:51,496 It was celebrities, it was fashion. 99 00:06:51,496 --> 00:06:53,498 There's Julia Roberts, there's Leonardo DiCaprio. 100 00:06:54,958 --> 00:06:59,045 If you didn't have those four girls in your show, 101 00:06:59,045 --> 00:07:01,131 you were nothing. 102 00:07:03,508 --> 00:07:05,260 {\an8}They guaranteed coverage. 103 00:07:05,260 --> 00:07:08,305 The Chanel Paris designer Karl Lagerfeld created... 104 00:07:08,305 --> 00:07:11,433 Gianni Versace puts on a high-style, slick presentation. 105 00:07:11,433 --> 00:07:13,560 Spring Paris designer Thierry Mugler 106 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,313 mixes fashion with his passion for theatrics. 107 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:24,571 All my big stars like Linda, Christy, Naomi. 108 00:07:24,571 --> 00:07:28,992 {\an8}All the big names in the... stardom fashion. 109 00:07:31,077 --> 00:07:33,163 Linda, when she was young, was very, very beautiful 110 00:07:33,163 --> 00:07:36,166 {\an8}but she was even so beautiful that her beauty was lost on the runway. 111 00:07:36,166 --> 00:07:38,001 Now she is really a strong personality. 112 00:07:38,877 --> 00:07:40,295 Karl was so witty. 113 00:07:40,295 --> 00:07:44,132 Not always politically correct, but... 114 00:07:46,009 --> 00:07:47,093 ...witty. 115 00:07:47,093 --> 00:07:49,429 I said very mean things about you. 116 00:07:49,429 --> 00:07:51,389 - Really mean. - You wouldn't. 117 00:07:51,389 --> 00:07:53,892 How horrible you are to work with, all that. 118 00:07:53,892 --> 00:07:55,435 How unpleasant. 119 00:07:55,435 --> 00:07:57,812 - He's such a drag. - Always in a bad mood. 120 00:07:57,812 --> 00:07:58,897 Always in a bad mood. 121 00:08:06,112 --> 00:08:08,615 They are my actress, my... 122 00:08:08,615 --> 00:08:13,328 The way I express my fashion through these women is simple heaven. 123 00:08:18,833 --> 00:08:22,546 Gianni Versace was somebody who really opened up fashion 124 00:08:22,546 --> 00:08:25,423 and showed things that had not been seen before. 125 00:08:25,423 --> 00:08:29,135 {\an8}But also, it was the way he showed them. Very sexual. 126 00:08:29,135 --> 00:08:32,179 Molto italiano, if I said that right. 127 00:08:32,179 --> 00:08:35,475 He's the sexiest designer in Italy by far, 128 00:08:35,475 --> 00:08:37,601 and it's the best show of the whole week in Italy as well, 129 00:08:37,601 --> 00:08:39,563 so that's why I only showed up for this show. 130 00:08:41,565 --> 00:08:44,442 He was very sensitive to feeling me, like... 131 00:08:45,235 --> 00:08:48,947 I wouldn't have to say something, he would just come up and say it to me. 132 00:08:48,947 --> 00:08:50,865 And I'd be like, "You're right." 133 00:08:52,284 --> 00:08:56,871 Gianni wasn't afraid to embellish things. 134 00:08:56,871 --> 00:08:59,457 It was like more is more, more is great. 135 00:09:01,167 --> 00:09:05,463 It was always over the top and why not? 136 00:09:09,134 --> 00:09:10,802 I know my value. 137 00:09:10,802 --> 00:09:14,097 If you want me to walk for you, you're gonna get your pictures, 138 00:09:14,097 --> 00:09:15,724 I'm gonna get you press. 139 00:09:15,724 --> 00:09:18,018 I would give them everything I could afford 140 00:09:18,018 --> 00:09:21,563 {\an8}because there's nothing like them for selling the clothes, 141 00:09:21,563 --> 00:09:24,316 they show the clothes, they feel the clothes. 142 00:09:27,027 --> 00:09:31,489 Naomi, once she was wearing rubber stockings. 143 00:09:31,489 --> 00:09:36,745 {\an8}What happened is that the leg got stuck, and so she tipped. 144 00:09:50,675 --> 00:09:55,013 Afterwards, designers asked me if I would fall for them. 145 00:09:55,013 --> 00:09:57,182 And I was like, 146 00:09:57,182 --> 00:09:59,893 - "Why would you want me to fall--?" - Why? Yeah. 147 00:09:59,893 --> 00:10:03,104 - Press! "The press that you got." - Yes, I know. 148 00:10:04,356 --> 00:10:07,525 And not surprisingly, their newfound fame has focused attention 149 00:10:07,525 --> 00:10:10,403 on their power and mega salaries. 150 00:10:10,820 --> 00:10:15,700 The cost of a single show in Paris can reach 170,000 dollars. 151 00:10:15,700 --> 00:10:17,827 Topping the bill, modelling fees. 152 00:10:17,827 --> 00:10:21,957 The House of Lanvin reportedly paid 20,000 dollars in fees 153 00:10:21,957 --> 00:10:25,961 for top model Linda Evangelista for one show. 154 00:10:25,961 --> 00:10:28,505 You know the fees are high, but you get it back in a minute. 155 00:10:28,505 --> 00:10:31,383 {\an8}Because photographers photograph only those, 156 00:10:31,383 --> 00:10:34,386 the runway photos make editorials all around the world. 157 00:10:35,554 --> 00:10:38,473 I feel like eventually with a little bit more power, I'd be like, 158 00:10:38,473 --> 00:10:42,852 "Okay, I want to work a lot with designers who I actually had a relationship with." 159 00:10:43,937 --> 00:10:48,275 At that point, they really helped a lot of the young designers 160 00:10:48,275 --> 00:10:51,111 go from being unknown to being known right away. 161 00:10:52,529 --> 00:10:55,198 You got that opportunity when you were an unknown, 162 00:10:55,198 --> 00:10:58,243 so you need to pass that on and do it to others. 163 00:10:58,994 --> 00:11:01,121 Marc Jacobs was a really good friend always, 164 00:11:01,121 --> 00:11:03,707 and I worked with him from the very beginning. 165 00:11:03,707 --> 00:11:06,751 Marc's brand made sense for the Perry Ellis brand, 166 00:11:06,751 --> 00:11:10,088 in terms of, like, infusing some energy and excitement. 167 00:11:14,593 --> 00:11:17,262 I wasn't able to pay models to do my show. 168 00:11:17,262 --> 00:11:19,931 I would call the agencies and I would ask them 169 00:11:19,931 --> 00:11:24,019 if there were models that would be willing to do the show in trade for clothes. 170 00:11:24,936 --> 00:11:26,605 And Christy was willing to do it. 171 00:11:27,898 --> 00:11:32,068 And then the next season when we did a show, Christy asked Cindy. 172 00:11:33,111 --> 00:11:36,114 Then there was Naomi and then there was Linda. 173 00:11:37,407 --> 00:11:40,702 The attention just kind of grew. And it grew and grew and grew. 174 00:11:40,702 --> 00:11:43,163 But it was-- It was all because of Christy. 175 00:11:43,163 --> 00:11:46,666 Marc, how important is it having supermodels there to sell your line? 176 00:11:46,666 --> 00:11:49,294 It is important because people recognize them as icons. 177 00:11:49,294 --> 00:11:51,630 Those girls are incredibly beautiful. 178 00:11:51,630 --> 00:11:54,132 They know how to wear clothes. 179 00:11:54,132 --> 00:11:55,926 I'm really grateful that they do my show 180 00:11:55,926 --> 00:11:59,346 and a lot of them are really... friends and stuff. 181 00:12:00,513 --> 00:12:04,100 I was not really doing a fashion show at that point. 182 00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:07,854 And I said, "Well, how can I do a show?" They said, "Well, we'll help you." 183 00:12:07,854 --> 00:12:11,983 And Linda, Naomi, and Christy all got all the other girls 184 00:12:11,983 --> 00:12:14,236 and that was my first show. 185 00:12:15,028 --> 00:12:17,906 We really felt this thing that was happening. 186 00:12:19,115 --> 00:12:22,786 I need Linda. Linda! Linda, Linda, Linda. 187 00:12:23,370 --> 00:12:26,831 What was so great is that, you know, they were around the world. 188 00:12:26,831 --> 00:12:29,751 {\an8}And they would see things that we didn't necessarily see. 189 00:12:29,751 --> 00:12:34,172 So, I would kind of rely on the reaction. 190 00:12:34,172 --> 00:12:36,841 - How do you feel in that? - Like a princess. 191 00:12:36,841 --> 00:12:39,261 "Okay, she likes it, good, we're onto something here." 192 00:12:40,470 --> 00:12:43,181 They were part of the fabric of fashion. 193 00:12:43,932 --> 00:12:47,394 So, that's why, you know, everyone was fighting to get them. 194 00:12:47,394 --> 00:12:49,729 That's how important they became. 195 00:12:54,943 --> 00:12:58,321 I wanted to do a slightly more, like, salon presentation. 196 00:12:58,321 --> 00:12:59,656 So, it was in a house. 197 00:12:59,656 --> 00:13:02,701 It was run down, and we brought in a ton of leaves 198 00:13:02,701 --> 00:13:05,287 {\an8}and dry ice and lit the house from outside 199 00:13:05,287 --> 00:13:08,373 {\an8}so it looked like she'd left the house and was coming back. 200 00:13:15,422 --> 00:13:19,009 Suddenly, Christy, Linda... 201 00:13:20,176 --> 00:13:22,304 They were walking down the stairs. 202 00:13:26,474 --> 00:13:29,102 And they were this close. 203 00:13:29,895 --> 00:13:32,814 You could smell the parfum that Linda was wearing. 204 00:13:32,814 --> 00:13:36,568 You could hear the rustle of Christy's taffeta skirt. 205 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:41,907 John would whisper in our ear before we went out, 206 00:13:41,907 --> 00:13:43,283 "This is your storyline, 207 00:13:43,283 --> 00:13:45,160 this is what your character is in the story, 208 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,329 so you go out with this energy." 209 00:13:47,329 --> 00:13:48,788 I loved it. 210 00:13:51,416 --> 00:13:54,169 To finally see the vision come to life 211 00:13:54,169 --> 00:13:58,006 by these women who cared as much as I did, 212 00:14:00,175 --> 00:14:03,136 and to be involved in that whole creative process with them 213 00:14:03,136 --> 00:14:08,099 was just the highlight of my creative career, I think. 214 00:14:24,616 --> 00:14:25,992 Oh, Naomi. 215 00:14:26,952 --> 00:14:29,955 Omi? Hi. 216 00:14:29,955 --> 00:14:32,707 Yeah, I think I texted you on the wrong number again. 217 00:14:32,707 --> 00:14:35,293 I don't know why I have you all mixed up everywhere. 218 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:40,257 We just got here yesterday morning and we went and did our fitting last night. 219 00:14:40,257 --> 00:14:42,634 And then today, we've been just kind of out and about. 220 00:14:44,344 --> 00:14:45,804 We're here! 221 00:14:48,473 --> 00:14:51,017 I definitely am not a dramatic person. 222 00:14:51,643 --> 00:14:53,478 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 223 00:14:54,813 --> 00:14:56,648 - Come back in. - All right. 224 00:14:56,648 --> 00:14:58,733 - How are you? - Good. 225 00:14:58,733 --> 00:15:00,860 It's something that I, you know, I... 226 00:15:01,736 --> 00:15:04,573 I guess I haven't been consciously avoiding, it's just not me. 227 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:06,700 - Okay. - Okay, I'm right there. 228 00:15:06,700 --> 00:15:08,910 - I'm so excited. - I know, I'm so happy. 229 00:15:08,910 --> 00:15:11,830 {\an8}There were plenty of others that were more dramatic 230 00:15:11,830 --> 00:15:15,375 {\an8}or just had bigger kinds of personalities, 231 00:15:15,375 --> 00:15:19,546 and I just didn't feel like I could compete with any of that. 232 00:15:19,546 --> 00:15:22,340 Naomi! Naomi! Naomi! Naomi! 233 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:31,725 On the stairs. 234 00:15:31,725 --> 00:15:35,186 - That's just beautiful, right? - It's so beautiful, yeah. 235 00:15:35,770 --> 00:15:38,356 - He's amazing. He's got amazing taste. - And the music is amazing. 236 00:15:38,356 --> 00:15:42,611 What I loved about the girls, they were a group. 237 00:15:43,653 --> 00:15:46,907 And that's what was so fabulous. 238 00:15:46,907 --> 00:15:48,533 They worked together. 239 00:16:00,462 --> 00:16:03,632 {\an8}These girls were way beyond models. 240 00:16:03,632 --> 00:16:06,843 {\an8}They had these lives, and everybody wanted to be them, 241 00:16:06,843 --> 00:16:09,304 and they looked amazing, they were having fun 242 00:16:09,304 --> 00:16:11,640 and they were being talked about all the time. 243 00:16:12,265 --> 00:16:18,772 They transcended anything people thought fashion had been. 244 00:16:18,772 --> 00:16:23,235 {\an8}And crossed over into mass culture. 245 00:16:24,319 --> 00:16:27,030 They started seeing the three of us together all the time. 246 00:16:27,822 --> 00:16:31,451 But I don't know who named us, "The Trinity." 247 00:16:31,451 --> 00:16:34,120 I'm not sure where Trinity came from, I have to be honest. 248 00:16:34,871 --> 00:16:37,832 Steven Meisel dubbed them "The Trinity" 249 00:16:37,832 --> 00:16:42,629 and they became this tornado of publicity. 250 00:16:43,547 --> 00:16:46,383 Their friendship was a big part of their story. 251 00:16:47,300 --> 00:16:49,678 {\an8}We were like a family, you know? 252 00:16:50,303 --> 00:16:51,721 We were together all the time. 253 00:16:52,973 --> 00:16:55,141 It was a fabulous time in that way. 254 00:16:56,017 --> 00:16:59,145 It was a dream, you know? It was really a dream. 255 00:17:00,313 --> 00:17:03,608 We would go around in Oribe's jeep at night. 256 00:17:05,276 --> 00:17:09,406 {\an8}We liked going through the Meatpacking District. 257 00:17:09,406 --> 00:17:12,284 {\an8}We liked going on the West Side Highway. 258 00:17:12,284 --> 00:17:14,785 The Voguers would teach us how to dance. 259 00:17:16,287 --> 00:17:18,707 I remember all the gay kids were losing it. 260 00:17:18,707 --> 00:17:23,587 I remember, like, just dancing with Naomi, you know, telling Naomi how to walk. 261 00:17:23,587 --> 00:17:26,089 "No, swing the bag, this is how you swing the bag!" 262 00:17:26,089 --> 00:17:28,425 I'm like, "You're teaching Naomi Campbell?" 263 00:17:30,719 --> 00:17:33,972 Voguing is named after Vogue Magazine. 264 00:17:33,972 --> 00:17:36,558 And the scene really flourished in the '90s in Harlem. 265 00:17:36,558 --> 00:17:39,978 And it was these disenfranchised Black and Hispanic kids 266 00:17:39,978 --> 00:17:42,272 who were usually queer. 267 00:17:42,272 --> 00:17:45,150 And they worshipped the stars of Vogue. 268 00:17:45,150 --> 00:17:47,777 They worshiped Naomi, Linda, Christy. 269 00:17:47,777 --> 00:17:51,823 And so they would go on that runway and do Supermodel realness. 270 00:17:51,823 --> 00:17:54,701 Vogue, Vogue, Vogue, Vogue. 271 00:17:55,994 --> 00:18:00,081 That period on that runway was their moment of being a supermodel. 272 00:18:00,081 --> 00:18:03,376 And I think, in turn, the supermodels were influenced. 273 00:18:05,921 --> 00:18:10,800 I really believe gay culture and the drag community 274 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,720 helped me flourish. 275 00:18:15,138 --> 00:18:17,474 'Cause they're larger than life. 276 00:18:18,266 --> 00:18:19,893 They're like what I want to be. 277 00:18:21,061 --> 00:18:22,270 But bigger. 278 00:18:23,104 --> 00:18:26,858 Bigger and better. And with confidence. 279 00:18:32,030 --> 00:18:35,450 It suddenly became a lot more mainstream and cool to be a drag queen. 280 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,624 This is still way before RuPaul's Drag Race 281 00:18:42,624 --> 00:18:44,501 but RuPaul was this big star in the '90s. 282 00:18:44,501 --> 00:18:47,879 She had her first wave of success with a hit single. 283 00:18:47,879 --> 00:18:49,714 I have one thing to say 284 00:18:50,340 --> 00:18:52,175 You better work. 285 00:18:53,343 --> 00:18:56,012 RuPaul is, like, everything. 286 00:18:56,012 --> 00:18:58,348 The whole life experience is about transformation. 287 00:18:58,348 --> 00:19:00,976 It's like, you know, becoming a butterfly. 288 00:19:00,976 --> 00:19:04,062 He's, like, proof you can be anybody you want to be. 289 00:19:04,062 --> 00:19:05,397 - The holy trinity. - When the song came out 290 00:19:05,397 --> 00:19:07,482 we played it and played it and played it. 291 00:19:09,109 --> 00:19:10,694 Linda, work mama 292 00:19:10,694 --> 00:19:12,696 Naomi, she is fierce 293 00:19:12,696 --> 00:19:14,656 Christy, foxy lady 294 00:19:14,656 --> 00:19:16,408 Cindy, I can feel it 295 00:19:16,408 --> 00:19:17,993 I have one thing to say 296 00:19:17,993 --> 00:19:19,953 Sashay, shante 297 00:19:21,288 --> 00:19:24,207 I was flattered. It was something unexpected. 298 00:19:24,207 --> 00:19:26,251 It wasn't on my bucket list. 299 00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:29,421 But now I have that, that's a major honor. 300 00:19:31,006 --> 00:19:33,383 - This is flowing the whole time. - This is weird, I got a cramp. 301 00:19:33,383 --> 00:19:37,429 I celebrate all the great things that we got to do, 302 00:19:37,429 --> 00:19:44,019 but it wasn't as glorious as one would think it was. 303 00:19:45,353 --> 00:19:47,480 And there were some hardships. 304 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,149 Some really tough ones. 305 00:19:50,108 --> 00:19:52,152 Yes, darling, have you been doing this for a long time? 306 00:19:52,152 --> 00:19:54,237 The lucky man is Gerald Marie, 307 00:19:54,237 --> 00:19:57,824 the 40-year-old co-owner of Europe's Elite modelling agency. 308 00:19:57,824 --> 00:20:00,452 He dropped by Toronto's International Top Models, 309 00:20:00,452 --> 00:20:02,829 with his gorgeous wife at his side. 310 00:20:03,455 --> 00:20:06,416 I learned that maybe... 311 00:20:09,294 --> 00:20:11,504 I was in the wrong relationship. 312 00:20:12,923 --> 00:20:16,426 You have to have a lot of nerve, you have to be tough and strong. 313 00:20:18,428 --> 00:20:20,639 In any job you have to be. 314 00:20:22,807 --> 00:20:27,771 It's easier said than done to leave an abusive relationship. 315 00:20:27,771 --> 00:20:32,150 I understand that concept 'cause I lived it. 316 00:20:35,570 --> 00:20:38,823 If it was a matter of just saying, "I want a divorce, see ya..." 317 00:20:38,823 --> 00:20:40,784 it doesn't work that way. 318 00:20:43,036 --> 00:20:45,372 He knew not to touch my face. 319 00:20:47,666 --> 00:20:50,502 Not to touch the moneymaker, you know? 320 00:20:53,630 --> 00:20:56,007 I married him when I was 22. 321 00:20:57,676 --> 00:21:00,011 And I got out when I was 27. 322 00:21:01,429 --> 00:21:05,559 And he let me out as long as he got everything. 323 00:21:07,102 --> 00:21:10,063 But I was safe and I got my freedom. 324 00:21:13,483 --> 00:21:18,863 {\an8}When I found out that he's hurt many, many, many women... 325 00:21:18,863 --> 00:21:22,033 he's violated many women... 326 00:21:27,998 --> 00:21:30,041 ...it broke my heart. 327 00:21:31,209 --> 00:21:35,255 {\an8}Sixteen women have now given their accounts to the French authorities. 328 00:21:35,255 --> 00:21:36,715 {\an8}Gérald Marie! 329 00:21:36,715 --> 00:21:42,804 {\an8}And all of them say they were either raped or sexually assaulted by Gerald Marie. 330 00:21:42,804 --> 00:21:46,433 {\an8}I knew I had to endure the abuse in order to continue working. 331 00:21:46,433 --> 00:21:48,977 {\an8}That was made very clear to me. 332 00:21:48,977 --> 00:21:52,314 I was dependent on Marie for my food, 333 00:21:52,314 --> 00:21:54,983 for my housing, and for my employment. 334 00:21:56,693 --> 00:21:59,154 I was completely trapped. 335 00:22:02,824 --> 00:22:06,703 I never, never told my story because I feared. 336 00:22:08,788 --> 00:22:12,500 Thanks to the power of all these women coming forward. 337 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:15,337 Bless them, God bless all of them. 338 00:22:15,337 --> 00:22:19,507 It gave me the courage, now, to speak. 339 00:22:21,176 --> 00:22:25,889 Gerald Marie's lawyer said he categorically denies the accusations 340 00:22:25,889 --> 00:22:28,683 and claims the women are trying to frame him 341 00:22:28,683 --> 00:22:32,646 as a scapegoat for an era that's now over. 342 00:22:33,980 --> 00:22:36,775 I would love that justice be served. 343 00:22:36,775 --> 00:22:42,072 I would love for assholes like that to think twice, 344 00:22:42,572 --> 00:22:43,782 and be afraid. 345 00:22:47,410 --> 00:22:48,578 And... 346 00:22:49,454 --> 00:22:53,500 I would love women to know that they're not alone. 347 00:23:16,481 --> 00:23:19,067 - That's collagen, ginseng. - Ginseng. 348 00:23:19,067 --> 00:23:20,694 And you make tea out of this? 349 00:23:20,694 --> 00:23:22,612 Yeah, I'm going to make some. I basically get a-- 350 00:23:23,196 --> 00:23:24,322 - Water? - Yeah. 351 00:23:24,322 --> 00:23:26,283 - Or is that coffee? - No, it's water. 352 00:23:27,075 --> 00:23:28,702 Let me make sure my hand... 353 00:23:28,702 --> 00:23:31,162 We have a trust, it's a bond. That we just... 354 00:23:31,162 --> 00:23:33,415 We don't even have to speak about it, it's just there. 355 00:23:34,749 --> 00:23:38,628 I'm not going to say there was not any competition at all. 356 00:23:38,628 --> 00:23:40,881 No, but with our... I would say with me and you... 357 00:23:40,881 --> 00:23:42,132 With me and you, no. 358 00:23:42,132 --> 00:23:44,092 For me, anyway, there was times where, 359 00:23:44,092 --> 00:23:46,803 like, Naomi or Christy or Linda would do something and it-- 360 00:23:46,803 --> 00:23:49,264 I wasn't jealous that-- It was more like, 361 00:23:49,264 --> 00:23:52,767 "Oh, I wish I would have done that," not "I wish they didn't do it." 362 00:23:52,767 --> 00:23:54,352 Oh, "I wish I...", you know. 363 00:23:54,352 --> 00:23:58,940 At the time, like, I wasn't in the thick of the fashion... 364 00:23:59,983 --> 00:24:02,110 ...with a capital "F," world. 365 00:24:02,110 --> 00:24:04,321 Ladies and gentlemen, here she is, Cindy Crawford. 366 00:24:05,363 --> 00:24:07,908 Look at this, right here. "The sexiest couple alive." 367 00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:11,036 I think I was 22 when we met. 368 00:24:11,036 --> 00:24:15,165 And in the beginning of a relationship, when you're a young woman, you're like, 369 00:24:15,165 --> 00:24:18,793 "You like baseball? I like baseball!" 370 00:24:18,793 --> 00:24:23,465 "You're really into Tibetan Buddhism? I might be into that, I'll try that." 371 00:24:23,465 --> 00:24:25,508 You know, you're willing to kind of mold yourself 372 00:24:25,508 --> 00:24:29,804 around whoever you are, you know, in love with. 373 00:24:30,931 --> 00:24:33,600 He was older so I just was, like, in a different circle 374 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,311 and not doing some of those same fashion-y things anymore. 375 00:24:37,062 --> 00:24:38,438 And action! 376 00:24:47,906 --> 00:24:50,700 Is that a great new Pepsi can or what? 377 00:24:52,244 --> 00:24:53,370 And cut. 378 00:24:54,871 --> 00:24:59,542 Pepsi was such an iconic American brand, it was a Super Bowl commercial. 379 00:25:00,794 --> 00:25:05,173 That was a time in my career where I veered away 380 00:25:05,173 --> 00:25:09,219 from, like, the high fashion elite, 381 00:25:09,219 --> 00:25:12,889 and kind of, took more charge of my career. 382 00:25:15,016 --> 00:25:17,060 She was sort of everywhere. 383 00:25:17,060 --> 00:25:21,356 {\an8}All the spokes of the popular culture, Cindy Crawford was turning up. 384 00:25:22,732 --> 00:25:24,234 {\an8}I want half-hour specials about Cindy. 385 00:25:24,234 --> 00:25:25,986 {\an8}I want hour-long rockumentaries about Cindy. 386 00:25:25,986 --> 00:25:28,280 I want Cindy Unplugged, I want acoustic Cindy. 387 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:33,868 I want long drawn out, slow motion shots of Cindy walking, 24 hours a day. 388 00:25:33,868 --> 00:25:35,829 If anyone reads this book, we can look exactly like you? 389 00:25:35,829 --> 00:25:37,205 - Exactly. - Is that right? 390 00:25:37,205 --> 00:25:38,748 People don't leave you alone, do they? They're all over you. 391 00:25:38,748 --> 00:25:40,584 - They're bothering you all the time. - Sometimes, it's-- 392 00:25:40,584 --> 00:25:42,419 A little like this experience here tonight? 393 00:25:42,419 --> 00:25:46,298 Well, the men fantasize the most about Cindy Crawford. 394 00:25:48,550 --> 00:25:53,638 At the time, the most glamorous or would-be glamorous women in Hollywood 395 00:25:53,638 --> 00:25:56,308 were really, really soft-pedaling all of that. 396 00:25:56,308 --> 00:25:59,060 You had the most extraordinary beautiful women like Michelle Pfeiffer, 397 00:25:59,060 --> 00:26:02,230 but they weren't being glamorous, you know? 398 00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:04,566 {\an8}If you were dressed too fabulously... 399 00:26:05,358 --> 00:26:07,652 {\an8}...or your hair was too amazing or whatever, 400 00:26:07,652 --> 00:26:13,283 then people would say, "Not a serious actress, no. Not serious." 401 00:26:13,283 --> 00:26:15,827 I got invited to go to the Oscars with Richard. 402 00:26:15,827 --> 00:26:17,787 I'm like, well, I mean, what do models do well? 403 00:26:17,787 --> 00:26:19,497 We wear clothes well, I mean. 404 00:26:19,497 --> 00:26:22,375 I better look good, like, that was kind of what my thinking was. 405 00:26:22,375 --> 00:26:27,380 It's like, "I'm going to go to the Oscars, I better be a freaking supermodel." 406 00:26:28,506 --> 00:26:31,968 I had just done a Versace show in Milan. 407 00:26:31,968 --> 00:26:35,597 So I asked Gianni to make a dress for me. 408 00:26:40,143 --> 00:26:43,772 So, when I showed up in that red dress, I think it was a little like, 409 00:26:43,772 --> 00:26:46,358 "Wow, fashion is back at the Oscars." 410 00:26:50,278 --> 00:26:55,075 Models are glamorous right now, when no one else... 411 00:26:55,075 --> 00:26:57,244 A lot of people sort of shunned glamour for a while, 412 00:26:57,244 --> 00:27:00,455 and then models still are glamorous because that's what we do. 413 00:27:05,919 --> 00:27:10,590 The world was just thirsty for beauty and glamour and fashion. 414 00:27:13,051 --> 00:27:15,595 Superstar models. They're the new glamour girls. 415 00:27:16,763 --> 00:27:21,560 What that whole era made us realize too was the importance of image. 416 00:27:23,728 --> 00:27:28,942 They're putting high heels on us, and it was like all of a sudden... 417 00:27:29,985 --> 00:27:33,446 ...we were the physical representations of power. 418 00:27:34,155 --> 00:27:36,908 And I think where it gets tricky and hard to talk about 419 00:27:36,908 --> 00:27:41,329 is that the implication is that some people don't fit that. 420 00:27:42,330 --> 00:27:45,041 And then they're made to feel less beautiful. 421 00:27:47,168 --> 00:27:49,379 You had the goddesses of the Trinity. 422 00:27:49,379 --> 00:27:52,674 {\an8}You know, Naomi Campbell, Linda Evangelista and Christy Turlington. 423 00:27:52,674 --> 00:27:56,011 {\an8}It's very hard to approach that kind of perfected beauty. 424 00:27:58,263 --> 00:28:00,307 {\an8}It sort of set up an impossible idea. 425 00:28:01,391 --> 00:28:05,770 {\an8}In mainstream media, the balance of power has shifted to advertisers. 426 00:28:05,770 --> 00:28:09,733 The editors are under pressure to make a favorable climate for their advertisers. 427 00:28:09,733 --> 00:28:13,862 This means that particularly the representation of women 428 00:28:13,862 --> 00:28:16,364 is absolutely conditioned in our culture 429 00:28:16,364 --> 00:28:20,994 by what the advertisers need the audience of women to care about. 430 00:28:20,994 --> 00:28:25,206 Increasingly, the "beauty myth" is being used to make women feel 431 00:28:25,206 --> 00:28:27,000 that their sense of self-worth as human beings 432 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,461 depends upon conforming to these stereotypes. 433 00:28:29,461 --> 00:28:32,589 Now, those are very difficult things to negotiate with. 434 00:28:32,589 --> 00:28:34,341 Impossible, I would say. 435 00:28:36,009 --> 00:28:38,845 {\an8}I don't want to seem to be part of the feminist group 436 00:28:38,845 --> 00:28:41,056 {\an8}that's constantly demeaning fashion magazines. 437 00:28:41,056 --> 00:28:43,683 {\an8}That ridiculous rhetoric that the fashion magazines 438 00:28:43,683 --> 00:28:45,977 {\an8}are there to give women low self-esteem. 439 00:28:45,977 --> 00:28:48,521 {\an8}I am a great supporter of the fashion industry 440 00:28:48,521 --> 00:28:51,483 and I see the fashion magazines as artworks for the masses 441 00:28:51,483 --> 00:28:55,904 {\an8}and most people love to simply glory in the beauty and the color 442 00:28:55,904 --> 00:28:58,323 {\an8}of these magnificent pictorials. 443 00:28:59,741 --> 00:29:01,826 One of the ways to look at this 444 00:29:01,826 --> 00:29:06,748 is that these models took tropes about women, 445 00:29:06,748 --> 00:29:10,710 and rather than be victims of them, 446 00:29:11,294 --> 00:29:13,672 they made them icons. 447 00:29:13,672 --> 00:29:17,842 It's like, you know, high heels are power, right? 448 00:29:17,842 --> 00:29:21,972 Whereas if you talked to Gloria Steinem, you can't run in high heels. 449 00:29:21,972 --> 00:29:24,808 And she's right, you know, she's right, but we're right too. 450 00:29:24,808 --> 00:29:28,103 I mean, high heels are beautiful, and they make you look beautiful 451 00:29:28,103 --> 00:29:29,563 and that's a kind of empowerment. 452 00:29:30,021 --> 00:29:32,232 There was this feeling that models were strong 453 00:29:32,232 --> 00:29:34,734 {\an8}and had something to say to the world. 454 00:29:34,734 --> 00:29:36,528 {\an8}Are there models that you look up to? 455 00:29:36,528 --> 00:29:38,446 Yes. Cindy Crawford. 456 00:29:38,446 --> 00:29:41,616 I met Linda Evangelista, she is my idol. 457 00:29:42,117 --> 00:29:44,828 I think the phenomenon during those years 458 00:29:44,828 --> 00:29:48,456 was kind of coming from a lot of different angles. 459 00:29:49,499 --> 00:29:50,959 Because we were everywhere. 460 00:29:50,959 --> 00:29:52,419 We're really thrilled that Christy 461 00:29:52,419 --> 00:29:54,838 could be part of the store event today. 462 00:29:55,422 --> 00:29:58,008 It just seemed to be a lot of attention. 463 00:29:58,008 --> 00:30:00,802 But I would attribute that mostly to media. 464 00:30:01,761 --> 00:30:03,805 Hi, Linda, we, we won't bother you. 465 00:30:03,805 --> 00:30:06,349 But we want to say that it's a treat seeing you, Linda. 466 00:30:06,349 --> 00:30:08,852 We weren't seeing enough of you, but I know you're taking things easy, 467 00:30:08,852 --> 00:30:10,353 that's why you weren't in eight million shows. 468 00:30:10,353 --> 00:30:11,855 I did 40 shows in Europe. 469 00:30:11,855 --> 00:30:13,857 - How many more shows do you want me to do? - Yeah, I know. 470 00:30:13,857 --> 00:30:16,151 We want you to do each and every one of them. 471 00:30:16,985 --> 00:30:18,737 You just couldn't catch a break. 472 00:30:18,737 --> 00:30:21,615 There were so many backstage photographers. 473 00:30:21,615 --> 00:30:24,200 - Excuse me, could you go away? - Not now, please. 474 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,911 - Not right now. - No, not right now. 475 00:30:25,911 --> 00:30:27,370 - I'm putting makeup on her. - Okay. 476 00:30:27,370 --> 00:30:28,997 - Can I have five minutes? - Okay. 477 00:30:28,997 --> 00:30:32,709 How many more pictures do we need of me in curlers, in rollers? 478 00:30:32,709 --> 00:30:36,421 How many more pictures do we need of me putting my lipstick on? 479 00:30:37,255 --> 00:30:40,926 It just progressed and it got worse and worse and worse. 480 00:30:43,220 --> 00:30:45,388 {\an8}- Come on! - Come on! Bug off! 481 00:30:45,388 --> 00:30:47,098 Bug off, I mean it. 482 00:30:49,434 --> 00:30:52,103 It used to be very common, like, after a show, 483 00:30:52,103 --> 00:30:54,606 you'd be changing back into your street clothes, 484 00:30:54,606 --> 00:30:58,401 and hundreds of people would be pouring backstage. 485 00:30:58,401 --> 00:31:02,030 And we were still in various states of undress. 486 00:31:03,323 --> 00:31:06,493 That's it. Stop. 487 00:31:07,994 --> 00:31:12,207 At a certain point, I started hiring a bodyguard to shield me. 488 00:31:14,334 --> 00:31:17,128 There was a point when I bought some spray paint. 489 00:31:17,128 --> 00:31:22,092 And when we would start to get dressed, I would shake the can. 490 00:31:22,092 --> 00:31:26,054 And if they didn't disperse, 491 00:31:26,054 --> 00:31:28,765 I threatened to spray their lenses. 492 00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:34,479 I just... I didn't want them photographing us women... 493 00:31:35,564 --> 00:31:36,940 ...with our clothes off. 494 00:31:38,692 --> 00:31:41,403 And some people thought I was overreacting. 495 00:31:46,908 --> 00:31:49,786 The supermodels are supermodels. 496 00:31:49,786 --> 00:31:51,496 {\an8}They demand. 497 00:31:51,496 --> 00:31:54,457 They demand the Concorde. 498 00:31:54,457 --> 00:31:57,586 They demand their car and driver. 499 00:31:57,586 --> 00:32:00,213 Some of them demand their chef. 500 00:32:00,213 --> 00:32:05,343 Some of them, they demand their suite at the best hotels. 501 00:32:05,343 --> 00:32:08,555 They don't stop making demands. 502 00:32:09,264 --> 00:32:14,311 And we have spoiled them and turned them into the supermodels they are. 503 00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:17,606 - I'm difficult, okay? - I know you are. 504 00:32:21,484 --> 00:32:23,904 I just started, so it was very intimidating, 505 00:32:23,904 --> 00:32:25,697 and they would come in the room, 506 00:32:25,697 --> 00:32:29,117 they would make a bee-line for the Polaroid board and say, 507 00:32:29,117 --> 00:32:33,496 "Oh, how come I'm only number eight? Like, who's number one? 508 00:32:33,496 --> 00:32:36,666 How come she's number one? How come she's opening and I'm not opening?" 509 00:32:36,666 --> 00:32:40,420 They knew their stuff and they knew where they stood. 510 00:32:40,837 --> 00:32:43,173 Isaac, why do you always give me the flat shoes 511 00:32:43,173 --> 00:32:45,675 and you always give Naomi Campbell the high heels? 512 00:32:45,675 --> 00:32:47,177 You gave me slippers for my finale last season. 513 00:32:47,177 --> 00:32:48,261 'Cause you wouldn't take them. 514 00:32:49,262 --> 00:32:51,932 Before the runway or a photoshoot, 515 00:32:51,932 --> 00:32:54,809 you know, they were spending so much time controlling 516 00:32:54,809 --> 00:32:57,771 every little inch of the makeup, every little inch, you know, 517 00:32:57,771 --> 00:32:59,105 looking at themselves in the mirror. 518 00:33:02,150 --> 00:33:04,110 Each one of them had this strong personality, 519 00:33:04,110 --> 00:33:05,904 and were not afraid to show it. 520 00:33:05,904 --> 00:33:07,739 I just had this big fight with him. 521 00:33:07,739 --> 00:33:09,449 I'm not trying to be a bitch but really, 522 00:33:09,449 --> 00:33:12,160 - you cannot fake the shoot. It's cheesy. - You're absolutely right, you're so right. 523 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,081 I mean, Naomi would let me have it if she didn't like her dress. 524 00:33:16,081 --> 00:33:21,461 And if it meant I had to make one within 24 hours for the next day, I did. 525 00:33:22,045 --> 00:33:25,215 What lips is it? The same color that Anna has? 526 00:33:29,094 --> 00:33:33,473 It was hard to be an outspoken Black woman, 527 00:33:33,473 --> 00:33:37,477 and I definitely got the cane for it, many times. 528 00:33:39,854 --> 00:33:42,357 I left Ford and went to Elite. 529 00:33:42,357 --> 00:33:45,110 John Casablancas took me to Revlon once 530 00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:47,862 and said they wanted to sign me under contract. 531 00:33:47,862 --> 00:33:50,532 But when they told me what they wanted to pay me, 532 00:33:50,532 --> 00:33:53,159 I said no, in front of the whole room. 533 00:33:53,159 --> 00:33:56,037 I said, "I get paid that in Tokyo in one day. 534 00:33:56,037 --> 00:33:59,332 Why would I take that for a contract for a year?" 535 00:34:00,542 --> 00:34:03,211 And my counterparts had told me what they were getting, 536 00:34:03,211 --> 00:34:05,714 so they told me, "Don't you take anything less." 537 00:34:06,882 --> 00:34:09,384 So, I was just like, "No, I don't want this, sorry." 538 00:34:10,175 --> 00:34:13,889 So, John got very embarrassed and then decided to call me difficult. 539 00:34:14,890 --> 00:34:17,182 And he then decided he was going to go to the press 540 00:34:17,182 --> 00:34:18,934 and say I was difficult and that he fired me. 541 00:34:20,144 --> 00:34:24,106 They're most of all selfish. 542 00:34:24,106 --> 00:34:29,778 {\an8}And they very, very quickly develop into monsters of egocentrism. 543 00:34:29,778 --> 00:34:33,575 First of all, let's get this clear. Models cannot get fired. 544 00:34:33,575 --> 00:34:36,620 We are self-employed. 545 00:34:36,620 --> 00:34:39,414 Sponsored by our agencies. 546 00:34:39,414 --> 00:34:42,416 Your previous agent was not very complimentary about you. 547 00:34:42,416 --> 00:34:44,461 No, he was very undignified. 548 00:34:44,461 --> 00:34:47,505 He got very nasty, which I personally felt 549 00:34:47,505 --> 00:34:50,508 that it was just exploitation because he knows my name 550 00:34:50,508 --> 00:34:53,470 will be printed in the paper and it will be a big press thing for Elite... 551 00:34:53,470 --> 00:34:56,597 - Press for the agency. - But I have nothing to say to him. 552 00:34:56,597 --> 00:34:59,017 I think his behavior was totally undignified. 553 00:35:03,605 --> 00:35:07,400 That stigma of his words and his statement to the press 554 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,153 messed my work up for many, many years. 555 00:35:11,404 --> 00:35:15,242 I've heard "crazy." I've heard "nightmare." I've heard "difficult." 556 00:35:16,034 --> 00:35:18,870 I was called difficult because I opened my mouth. Period. 557 00:35:19,955 --> 00:35:23,166 I don't know, I'll think about it. I can't promise because I'm not gonna... 558 00:35:23,166 --> 00:35:25,752 I mean, some people call people bitches 559 00:35:25,752 --> 00:35:30,048 when they're hardworking, opinionated and in control of their own career. 560 00:35:30,048 --> 00:35:33,802 That's when I realized the pen could be poisonous. 561 00:35:33,802 --> 00:35:35,428 That's when I realized. 562 00:35:39,516 --> 00:35:43,562 I'm not the same person I was 30 years ago. 563 00:35:44,729 --> 00:35:49,401 But... I just don't want to be known for that. 564 00:35:49,401 --> 00:35:53,655 I don't want to be known as, "She's the model who said that quote." 565 00:35:53,655 --> 00:35:55,824 What about the one that said "I won't get out of bed"? 566 00:35:55,824 --> 00:35:56,908 - That's Linda. - Linda. 567 00:35:56,908 --> 00:35:58,451 What did she say? 568 00:35:58,451 --> 00:36:01,830 "I will not get out of bed for less than 10,000 dollars a day." 569 00:36:04,791 --> 00:36:08,795 I shouldn't have said that. I don't know. That quote makes me crazy. 570 00:36:08,795 --> 00:36:13,717 It makes me crazy. I don't even know how to address it anymore. 571 00:36:13,717 --> 00:36:16,303 I said it, and... 572 00:36:16,303 --> 00:36:19,556 around the world I've apologized for saying it. 573 00:36:19,556 --> 00:36:20,640 I did say it. 574 00:36:24,644 --> 00:36:25,979 If a man said it, 575 00:36:25,979 --> 00:36:31,026 it's acceptable to be proud of what you command. 576 00:36:31,735 --> 00:36:35,071 Some people would say it was immoral that you earn a million dollars a year. 577 00:36:37,908 --> 00:36:42,412 I never gave a figure about how much money I make a year. 578 00:36:43,747 --> 00:36:46,249 I provide a service and, I mean, 579 00:36:46,249 --> 00:36:50,295 the people I'm working for make a hell of a lot more money than I do. 580 00:36:50,295 --> 00:36:53,965 My fee is only a very small percentage 581 00:36:53,965 --> 00:36:57,552 of what an advertising budget consists of. 582 00:36:58,803 --> 00:37:04,392 It's not that high compared to what they have to spend on a campaign. 583 00:37:04,392 --> 00:37:07,062 And you should see what they get back. 584 00:37:09,564 --> 00:37:10,899 So there. 585 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:25,914 Certain designers didn't like the fact that, 586 00:37:26,998 --> 00:37:29,125 if after a show, it said, 587 00:37:29,125 --> 00:37:32,963 "Cindy Crawford wearing this designer." 588 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,131 They didn't like that. 589 00:37:39,636 --> 00:37:44,349 {\an8}Designers inevitably, started getting pissed off that their shows 590 00:37:44,349 --> 00:37:46,977 {\an8}were about the models and not about the clothes. 591 00:37:46,977 --> 00:37:49,062 You know, "What about me?" 592 00:37:49,062 --> 00:37:50,855 Naomi, please can you look at me? 593 00:37:52,232 --> 00:37:54,276 - Naomi, for me. - Naomi, please. 594 00:37:55,860 --> 00:37:57,654 Hello, good morning. 595 00:38:04,995 --> 00:38:08,248 {\an8}The model, unfortunately, they have to be controlled in this moment 596 00:38:08,248 --> 00:38:12,669 {\an8}because all the big star I think they went out with their head. 597 00:38:12,669 --> 00:38:14,588 They don't know where they are anymore. 598 00:38:16,214 --> 00:38:19,175 {\an8}I think it's a new attitude because they became too tall, too big, 599 00:38:19,175 --> 00:38:21,720 {\an8}so it's good to take it down a little bit to Earth. 600 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:24,598 I mean, the whole sort of supermodel thing, you know, 601 00:38:24,598 --> 00:38:27,934 it got a little bit out of control with the kind of money they were being paid 602 00:38:27,934 --> 00:38:30,228 and their supermodel status. 603 00:38:30,228 --> 00:38:33,607 But obviously, like anything else, there's a sort of rejection against it 604 00:38:33,607 --> 00:38:34,900 and you want something else. 605 00:38:37,110 --> 00:38:42,240 We drank them in and they were in their glory. 606 00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:47,787 But then it was almost like too much. 607 00:38:50,999 --> 00:38:54,169 By midway through the '90s, the economy had shifted. 608 00:38:54,169 --> 00:38:58,256 All of a sudden, it wasn't so tasteful 609 00:38:58,256 --> 00:39:01,593 {\an8}to demonstrate this conspicuous consumption. 610 00:39:01,593 --> 00:39:03,261 {\an8}To flaunt it. 611 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,061 {\an8}It was a new reality, you know? 612 00:39:11,061 --> 00:39:14,731 And it wasn't just about fashion, it was about music, it was a lifestyle. 613 00:39:16,858 --> 00:39:18,652 The grunge movement. 614 00:39:18,652 --> 00:39:21,321 I got scared there. 615 00:39:21,321 --> 00:39:23,949 I got scared I didn't belong. 616 00:39:23,949 --> 00:39:28,119 It's so funny because I would be, like, slouched over for the picture, 617 00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:30,789 and then they would, like, say, "Change film." 618 00:39:30,789 --> 00:39:33,083 And they'd say, "Okay, relax." And I would be like... 619 00:39:34,209 --> 00:39:36,503 And I'd be, like, standing like... 620 00:39:36,503 --> 00:39:40,423 You know, I found it very amusing. 621 00:39:41,174 --> 00:39:44,761 {\an8}I don't think that people want to show off the fact 622 00:39:44,761 --> 00:39:48,265 {\an8}that they have a lot of money, so although designer clothes are expensive, 623 00:39:48,265 --> 00:39:51,393 I think there has to be a little bit more subdued. 624 00:39:51,935 --> 00:39:56,439 But I feel like probably for anyone on the cool side to be like, 625 00:39:56,439 --> 00:40:00,860 "Oh, there's the end, supermodels in grunge, what is that?" 626 00:40:02,445 --> 00:40:07,993 I'm not sure that fashion alone pushes the culture forward, 627 00:40:07,993 --> 00:40:11,246 but I do think that it's kind of a sign post... 628 00:40:11,788 --> 00:40:14,291 ...that tells you where the culture is. 629 00:40:16,793 --> 00:40:18,044 It's the hip hop culture. 630 00:40:18,044 --> 00:40:21,798 {\an8}So now you got rap, fashion, culture all together. 631 00:40:22,424 --> 00:40:27,429 {\an8}I mean, hip-hop was this unbelievable fashion influence from day one. 632 00:40:27,429 --> 00:40:31,600 This was a whole different huge genre that took over the world. 633 00:40:32,684 --> 00:40:35,729 With his eye on the street, Karl takes a hip-hop beat. 634 00:40:36,646 --> 00:40:38,815 {\an8}It has to reflect in a way the life of today of tomorrow. 635 00:40:38,815 --> 00:40:40,525 If not, it doesn't say anything. 636 00:40:41,026 --> 00:40:44,321 {\an8}Music is really the thing where the fashion influence comes from today. 637 00:40:44,321 --> 00:40:46,406 {\an8}That brings the color, that brings everything. 638 00:40:47,908 --> 00:40:52,621 The '90s was a sort of counteract to what had come before in fashion, 639 00:40:52,621 --> 00:40:55,707 much more of a response to what was happening in society. 640 00:40:57,125 --> 00:41:00,754 Mister Gorbachev finally brought the curtain down on the Soviet Union. 641 00:41:04,174 --> 00:41:08,178 Model scouts were now roaming the streets 642 00:41:08,178 --> 00:41:10,764 of these former Soviet areas 643 00:41:10,764 --> 00:41:15,560 and, you know, looking for faces that... 644 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,022 you know, appealed to them and that captured their imagination. 645 00:41:20,565 --> 00:41:23,360 The good students are the ones from Eastern European countries. 646 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,071 The ones from East European? Why? 'Cause they're so ambitious? 647 00:41:26,071 --> 00:41:28,406 Ambitious, hungry and they want to get out. 648 00:41:29,449 --> 00:41:30,450 Money. 649 00:41:30,450 --> 00:41:34,371 So that's started to bring white girls in, but skinny white girls, 650 00:41:34,371 --> 00:41:36,748 girls with not necessarily personality or anything. 651 00:41:38,375 --> 00:41:41,878 Stay tuned for Elite Model Look of the Year. 652 00:41:41,878 --> 00:41:46,091 We're going up to the microphone and then standing at the microphone, 653 00:41:46,091 --> 00:41:49,427 saying your name and your country very clearly. 654 00:41:50,762 --> 00:41:55,767 They could use 40 models coming out of, like, Eastern European countries 655 00:41:55,767 --> 00:41:59,354 as opposed to ten big models they had to pay a lot of money to. 656 00:41:59,354 --> 00:42:01,690 It was, like, cheaper to use 40 unknown models. 657 00:42:01,690 --> 00:42:05,110 But in order to do that, everyone had to be the exact same size. 658 00:42:05,110 --> 00:42:07,654 Suddenly, we see all kinds of new models coming up, 659 00:42:07,654 --> 00:42:09,406 including from my agency, so I like it. 660 00:42:09,406 --> 00:42:11,908 {\an8}I think that it gives a run for their money 661 00:42:11,908 --> 00:42:13,827 {\an8}to the ones who thought they had it all made. 662 00:42:14,327 --> 00:42:17,455 It wasn't so much about race, it was just eradicating anything 663 00:42:17,455 --> 00:42:21,126 that distracted from clothing, from the collection. 664 00:42:21,126 --> 00:42:23,128 So, you got these girls. 665 00:42:23,128 --> 00:42:27,799 It became just the moment and it became something that became a trend. 666 00:42:27,799 --> 00:42:30,176 And designers as independent as they are, 667 00:42:30,176 --> 00:42:33,096 as different as they all claim to be, and they are, 668 00:42:33,096 --> 00:42:36,266 when a trend happens, it seems like they go right down the yellow brick road 669 00:42:36,266 --> 00:42:37,976 and they're following each other. 670 00:42:38,476 --> 00:42:39,978 What do you think this new look is, how would you describe it? 671 00:42:40,395 --> 00:42:42,355 They call them the waif, right? 672 00:42:43,189 --> 00:42:46,109 These young girls, they have, like, stringy hair, no make-up, 673 00:42:46,109 --> 00:42:48,612 kind of this blank expression into the camera. 674 00:42:48,612 --> 00:42:52,574 - What does that mean for us? - I can do that! I can do it too. 675 00:42:53,116 --> 00:42:57,495 It almost felt like a rejection of the supermodel 676 00:42:57,495 --> 00:43:00,040 and everything we embodied. 677 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,458 The waif look. 678 00:43:01,458 --> 00:43:05,462 They're child-like, vulnerable and often small, 679 00:43:05,462 --> 00:43:08,715 as much as six inches shorter than the usual runway model. 680 00:43:08,715 --> 00:43:13,428 Among the new names is Shalom, there's 19-year-old Amber Veletta, 681 00:43:13,428 --> 00:43:15,722 who doesn't want to be a supermodel. 682 00:43:15,722 --> 00:43:17,974 And Kate Moss, also 19, 683 00:43:17,974 --> 00:43:22,020 who's well on her way to becoming one but can't quite imagine it. 684 00:43:22,020 --> 00:43:24,606 {\an8}I don't think I'm the same thing as them. 685 00:43:24,606 --> 00:43:27,275 {\an8}They're different. They're just more sophisticated. 686 00:43:27,275 --> 00:43:30,528 They're women and I'm not really a woman yet, I don't think. 687 00:43:32,072 --> 00:43:34,491 Kate Moss, when she came in the picture, 688 00:43:34,491 --> 00:43:37,285 I think changed the game of the supermodel. 689 00:43:40,789 --> 00:43:44,793 She was not super beautiful. She was shorter. 690 00:43:45,794 --> 00:43:49,130 Her legs are crooked, her teeth are a little bit like... 691 00:43:51,132 --> 00:43:52,968 But just something touching about her. 692 00:43:52,968 --> 00:43:56,137 There's a fragility that you wanted to get close to. 693 00:43:56,846 --> 00:44:00,433 {\an8}Kate is so wonderful, I mean, she's so waif-like. 694 00:44:00,433 --> 00:44:02,811 And there's this whole new thing 695 00:44:02,811 --> 00:44:07,691 of wanting to see a new image, a new face. 696 00:44:07,691 --> 00:44:09,818 And Kate is just wonderful. 697 00:44:12,112 --> 00:44:15,240 We worked together doing advertising for Calvin. 698 00:44:16,491 --> 00:44:19,119 And we did have this crossover, especially Naomi and I, 699 00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:21,413 were really close with Kate. 700 00:44:21,413 --> 00:44:24,291 She's five years younger than me, four years younger than Naomi, 701 00:44:24,291 --> 00:44:28,670 but we also felt like that was another kind of cohort that also made sense. 702 00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:31,047 And because of that, in a way, we felt a little bit more 703 00:44:31,047 --> 00:44:33,133 still connected to that next generation. 704 00:44:35,302 --> 00:44:40,432 The undisputed supermodels are defensive about reports they're being sidelined. 705 00:44:40,432 --> 00:44:46,479 {\an8}If you have a hockey team, you don't retire the whole team all at once. 706 00:44:46,479 --> 00:44:48,523 {\an8}You bring in rookies one at a time. 707 00:44:48,523 --> 00:44:54,529 {\an8}I mean, I'm... It's really nice to see these new girls. 708 00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:58,700 The question I hate the most, 709 00:44:58,700 --> 00:45:01,703 "What are you going to do when you're too old?" 710 00:45:01,703 --> 00:45:03,705 It's such a nasty question. 711 00:45:03,705 --> 00:45:05,665 Do you want to be an actress? 712 00:45:06,458 --> 00:45:08,460 I don't think I want to go... 713 00:45:08,460 --> 00:45:11,338 I know I won't go out there and pursue it. 714 00:45:11,338 --> 00:45:14,758 It just seems like the natural thing to do to carry on, 715 00:45:14,758 --> 00:45:19,221 'cause when this all comes to a halt, it's like what else do you do? 716 00:45:20,597 --> 00:45:23,391 Cindy Crawford is the hands-down queen of the supermodels, 717 00:45:23,391 --> 00:45:27,103 but can she be as big on the big screen as she is on magazine covers? 718 00:45:27,103 --> 00:45:30,857 The world famous supermodel's first screen test is as a lawyer. 719 00:45:30,857 --> 00:45:32,400 Do you have a problem with lawyers or something? 720 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,571 Marked for death by the Russian mob in the thriller, Fair Game. 721 00:45:36,571 --> 00:45:38,615 You know what they call a Florida cop in a three-piece suit? 722 00:45:38,615 --> 00:45:40,158 No, what? 723 00:45:40,158 --> 00:45:41,117 The defendant. 724 00:45:42,994 --> 00:45:44,704 I never had a master plan. 725 00:45:44,704 --> 00:45:47,415 I think a lot of things were just my willingness 726 00:45:47,415 --> 00:45:50,168 to take a chance and try something a little bit different. 727 00:45:50,168 --> 00:45:52,837 - Cut. End sticks on D. That's a cut. - Did we get it? 728 00:45:52,837 --> 00:45:55,966 But there's been things that I've tried that haven't been successful. 729 00:45:57,008 --> 00:45:59,302 She's 29. It's a great time for her to transition 730 00:45:59,302 --> 00:46:02,222 from modelling to acting because in a couple years 731 00:46:02,222 --> 00:46:04,015 she'll be too old to do modeling. 732 00:46:04,558 --> 00:46:07,435 I wasn't that upset they said I was a terrible actress, 733 00:46:07,435 --> 00:46:10,480 but a female critic said that someone that looked like me 734 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,483 couldn't be a lawyer, and I was so offended. 735 00:46:14,109 --> 00:46:17,320 I'm proud of myself for not being afraid of criticism... 736 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,739 ...that I wouldn't try something new. 737 00:46:26,538 --> 00:46:31,334 {\an8}In the '90s, Planet Hollywood and the Hard Rock Cafe had done very well. 738 00:46:32,335 --> 00:46:34,296 {\an8}And then there was the Fashion Cafe. 739 00:46:41,928 --> 00:46:45,390 Naomi, Christy, Claudia Schiffer and Elle Macpherson. 740 00:46:45,390 --> 00:46:48,727 The brothers who were running it really wanted those four names... 741 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,941 ...to be attached to attract tourists to patronize the place. 742 00:46:55,942 --> 00:46:59,696 We have Asia, London, South Africa 743 00:46:59,696 --> 00:47:03,283 and lots of countries that are very interested in having Fashion Cafe. 744 00:47:03,283 --> 00:47:07,329 I think Italy already loves it and I think it's definitely going to be a success. 745 00:47:08,288 --> 00:47:10,206 Wrong. It was a terrible idea. 746 00:47:12,542 --> 00:47:18,298 Fashion is not known, sadly enough, for encouraging a lot of eating. 747 00:47:19,883 --> 00:47:23,345 There was a definite parallel between Giuliani sanitizing New York 748 00:47:23,345 --> 00:47:26,681 {\an8}and the corporatization of the fashion industry. 749 00:47:26,681 --> 00:47:32,145 {\an8}Dream with me of a city that can be better than the way it is now. 750 00:47:34,856 --> 00:47:38,026 Just like mom-and-pop stores started fading away, 751 00:47:38,026 --> 00:47:39,653 {\an8}the same thing happened in fashion. 752 00:47:40,487 --> 00:47:43,031 Everything became slick and shiny and big. 753 00:47:44,032 --> 00:47:46,159 Seeing the commercialization 754 00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:49,079 {\an8}in the late '90s, just showed you 755 00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:53,041 that fashion became more and more democratized. 756 00:47:53,458 --> 00:47:55,168 Wherever you live in the world, 757 00:47:55,168 --> 00:47:59,005 as long as you can access the internet, you can place an order. 758 00:48:00,006 --> 00:48:02,425 So, we started seeing everyone come in 759 00:48:02,425 --> 00:48:05,470 and want a piece of the fashion pie. 760 00:48:05,470 --> 00:48:08,557 Fashion now is so much more of a business. 761 00:48:10,642 --> 00:48:12,561 It's all about being global. 762 00:48:12,561 --> 00:48:16,773 This is a perfect example of how we take something 763 00:48:16,773 --> 00:48:19,651 that maybe starts in the United States 764 00:48:19,651 --> 00:48:22,362 and expand it around the world. 765 00:48:22,362 --> 00:48:25,991 {\an8}You know, the word globalization didn't exist 30 years ago. 766 00:48:25,991 --> 00:48:28,368 For me it's okay, I must be an opportunist. 767 00:48:29,286 --> 00:48:31,037 {\an8}You know, it was television. 768 00:48:33,331 --> 00:48:35,625 {\an8}Which was much more widespread and impactful. 769 00:48:36,251 --> 00:48:37,794 {\an8}You know where to find me. 770 00:48:37,794 --> 00:48:40,338 {\an8}When Isaac Mizrahi collaborates with Target, 771 00:48:40,338 --> 00:48:42,674 it's a very different universe. 772 00:48:43,466 --> 00:48:45,886 You know, get rid of the elitism and the snobbery, 773 00:48:45,886 --> 00:48:48,763 and, you know, make it accessible to everyone, 774 00:48:48,763 --> 00:48:51,433 it lost a lot of its specialness. 775 00:48:51,433 --> 00:48:54,477 It wasn't a rarefied world anymore. 776 00:48:55,186 --> 00:48:57,480 I try all the time to put out of me, 777 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,193 {\an8}what I think, what is my philosophy in fashion. 778 00:49:02,193 --> 00:49:05,238 {\an8}I try all the time to understand the age, the people, 779 00:49:05,238 --> 00:49:07,908 who I wear, who I live with. 780 00:49:11,703 --> 00:49:13,622 {\an8}You're looking at a live picture of the scene 781 00:49:13,622 --> 00:49:16,082 {\an8}at the Miami Beach home of Gianni Versace. 782 00:49:17,709 --> 00:49:21,046 {\an8}Fashion designer Gianni Versace has been shot dead 783 00:49:21,046 --> 00:49:23,840 {\an8}outside his villa on the Ocean Drive. 784 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,302 {\an8}Mr. Versace, of course, one of the world's top fashion designers. 785 00:49:28,178 --> 00:49:31,431 I remember, actually, I was in Rome at the time, 786 00:49:31,431 --> 00:49:34,809 so, I was actually sitting with Mr. Valentino 787 00:49:34,809 --> 00:49:37,145 in his office when we got the news. 788 00:49:38,563 --> 00:49:40,982 {\an8}I was in California when I heard. 789 00:49:40,982 --> 00:49:42,901 I, you know, saw the news. 790 00:49:43,485 --> 00:49:47,072 As you can see, Versace's home remains a crime scene this morning. 791 00:49:48,281 --> 00:49:50,617 How did you learn of his death? 792 00:49:50,617 --> 00:49:53,995 Yesterday I was driving to Rome 793 00:49:53,995 --> 00:49:57,332 to go to work for Gianni and... 794 00:49:57,332 --> 00:50:00,794 I was driving to Rome to meet Donatella and Santos 795 00:50:00,794 --> 00:50:03,547 and the whole team for rehearsal. 796 00:50:03,547 --> 00:50:07,384 And I got a phone call ten minutes before I got to Rome. 797 00:50:07,384 --> 00:50:09,302 And I didn't believe it. 798 00:50:09,302 --> 00:50:12,973 So, I got out the car and stopped the car and then I got back in the car 799 00:50:12,973 --> 00:50:16,142 and someone called me and said it wasn't true, it was a mistake. 800 00:50:16,142 --> 00:50:18,478 And then when I got there and I saw Donatella... 801 00:50:19,896 --> 00:50:21,273 You know, so... 802 00:50:21,273 --> 00:50:23,817 You found out it was in fact true. 803 00:50:23,817 --> 00:50:25,068 Yeah. 804 00:50:25,777 --> 00:50:27,946 It was just... 805 00:50:27,946 --> 00:50:29,698 I can't tell you the shock. 806 00:50:29,698 --> 00:50:33,535 It was like everything starts ringing in your ears and it's just awful. 807 00:50:33,535 --> 00:50:37,080 And then we get closer and closer to the Hotel de la Ville. 808 00:50:38,582 --> 00:50:41,710 I cannot get into the hotel because there's crowds 809 00:50:41,710 --> 00:50:44,212 and thousands of people are outside the hotel, 810 00:50:44,212 --> 00:50:49,926 so I have to climb up the laundry shaft to get into the hotel. 811 00:50:54,222 --> 00:50:58,852 Gianni Versace was a fashion revolutionary. 812 00:50:59,477 --> 00:51:03,732 {\an8}He unleashed the beast in fashion in a way. 813 00:51:04,733 --> 00:51:10,238 {\an8}Gianni decided to treat us like human beings, 814 00:51:10,238 --> 00:51:17,037 women with different personalities and he let our personalities shine through. 815 00:51:17,037 --> 00:51:22,292 And he really celebrated us. 816 00:51:24,294 --> 00:51:29,049 {\an8}He kind of understood the synergy of, like, raising everybody up. 817 00:51:29,049 --> 00:51:34,804 So, he wasn't at all afraid of allowing us to also shine. 818 00:51:37,140 --> 00:51:40,018 Gianni Versace was gone. 819 00:51:40,018 --> 00:51:46,775 And I think that that kind of sort of ended that supermodel era. 820 00:51:48,777 --> 00:51:52,155 It's "Not be afraid of what you are," that's the Versace key. 821 00:51:52,155 --> 00:51:54,407 From when I start, I always say, "Be yourself." 822 00:51:56,201 --> 00:51:58,536 It's the only fashion you can wear, it's you. 823 00:51:59,996 --> 00:52:06,711 {\an8}I think I really wanted to have the freedom to be something else. 824 00:52:06,711 --> 00:52:12,425 {\an8}People feel like we don't hurt, and we don't cry, we don't get sad. 825 00:52:12,425 --> 00:52:15,095 None of that's true, it's all a myth. 826 00:52:15,095 --> 00:52:17,847 So, I'm the supermodel, right? 827 00:52:19,391 --> 00:52:21,685 But I'm not super human.