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[distant siren wailing]
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[fly buzzing]
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There is a fly in here,
so I just want to get it, sorry,
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because it keeps coming
and I'm, like, trying to ignore it, but…
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[Joan Collins] That's very strange
you would say that.
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[fly continues buzzing]
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There's a very interesting thing
that happened shortly after Jackie died.
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There was this little, tiny fruit fly
that was always in front of me.
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It would be here,
I would go to the Polo Lounge
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in the Beverly Hills Hotel,
it would be there.
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I'd go to the south of France and
be sitting there and it would be there.
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And I said, "Well, this is Jackie coming
to say that she's still there."
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[Jennifer] Yes, we've all heard the story.
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[fly buzzing]
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-I guess Jackie came back as a fly.
-[buzzing stops]
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[sighs]
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-Joan.
-[soft music playing]
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[projector whirring]
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{\an8}[Tracy Lerman] I sort of knew
it was a different upbringing.
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{\an8}[Tiffany Lerman]
Parenting wasn't really a verb…
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{\an8}[chuckling]
…back in the '70s and '80s.
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{\an8}[Tracy] I didn't really understand
what it was she was doing.
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{\an8}All I knew was that mommy was on TV a lot.
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[Rory Green] There were definitely
two sides. There was Mom…
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{\an8}-We're going to the Walden show.
-[man] The Walden show.
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{\an8}-Bye-bye.
-[Rory] …and there was Jackie Collins.
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-Jackie Collins.
-[audience cheering, applauding]
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[Morton Janklow] There are people
who are wonderful writers.
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{\an8}By that I mean people who use
the language beautifully and elegantly.
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Which was almost
the direct opposite of Jackie.
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Is it exhausting…
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-What?
-…doing research for your books?
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-No. [laughs]
-[crowd laughing]
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[Morton] It was one of the reasons
she was so successful…
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because she could go out there and promote
those books and not be embarrassed.
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[soft music playing]
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[woman]
Obviously she writes a lot about sex.
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[woman] She's putting female
sexuality at the center of the world
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and people lost their minds.
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[Terry Wogan] Some of the
sexual gymnastics, quite frankly…
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[crowd laughing]
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…give middle aged men
like me a terrific inferiority complex.
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[woman] She changed
the way women got to have sex.
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Women got to be selfish
in bed thanks to Jackie Collins.
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My final guest, the world's most
prolific writer of romantic fiction.
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-Barbara Cartland.
-[audience applauding]
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[Barbara] We've got to go back
to the family to save the world,
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I mean, look at the mess it's in.
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-It's evil really.
-[Jackie] What?
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[stutters] The books
that you write, quite frankly.
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-[audience laughing]
-[gasps]
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[audience applauding]
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[stutters] I think there's a place
for everybody,
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I think there's a place
for Barbara's books
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and there’s a place for my books.
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And I would never criticize Barbara
and say they all have to be like yours,
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because wouldn't life be dull
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-if we all had to do the same thing?
-No, no. I didn't say that either.
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-[all laughing]
-My guests, thank you.
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[audience applauding]
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[Morton] It's always the same
essential story dressed up differently.
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It is about a woman
facing disaster at the beginning.
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And no matter
how downbeat and downtrodden
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she outsmarts all the tough guys and wins.
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Girls when they leave school,
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should be taught
that in life they can do anything.
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I really have this strong belief
that women can do anything.
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"Girls can do anything,"
that was her motto.
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-Girls can do anything.
-Girls can do anything.
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-Girls can do anything.
-Women can do anything.
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As much as she was saying
that to everybody else,
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she was consistently saying it to herself.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[Tita Cahn] That is what is so
extraordinary about this tale.
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What she wrote and who she was
are two different things.
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[man] She's one of the most successful
authors in publishing history…
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[woman] The excess, the glitz.
The unashamed embrace of power.
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[newsreader] Jackie Collins has sold
over 500 million books worldwide.
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She's got 29…
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[woman] Jackie's novels really helped
to create the ethos of the 80s.
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[presenter] Without any doubt, one of
the best-selling authors in the world.
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[Tracy] That kind of became who she was.
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[presenter] The most highly paid author
in the United Kingdom.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[woman] Girl, woman, she,
it's another word for a chick.
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-Lady…
-[woman 2] Second word.
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-The…
-Count five.
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[woman 2] Tray. Boss.
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[clapperboard clacks]
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{\an8}Well, hi, I'm so glad to meet you and I…
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{\an8}I think it's very exciting
that you came in from London,
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and that you're doing really
a record of Jackie Collins.
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[waves lapping]
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[mellow music playing]
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[Jackie] "The raft lay ahead,
empty and inviting."
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{\an8}"What must it be like to be shipwrecked,
cut off, alone in the world?"
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{\an8}"She often felt alone in the world."
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"She swam rapidly toward the raft…
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without another thought,
he stripped off his shirt
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and plunged into the sea after her."
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"Don't talk."
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"'Don't spoil it,' she willed Lennie."
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"Salty flesh crushed against salty flesh."
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"He pressed his hands
into the small of her back
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and let her feel his hardness."
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"She didn't draw away,
but moved her hips slowly suggestively."
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"He entered her smoothly
and she wrapped her long legs tightly
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around his waist and moved with him
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as if they had been together
many times before."
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"And then, she was lost in sensation,
floating in paradise."
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"Taken over by a throbbing release
which sent her into spasms of delight."
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"He stared into her eyes,
so deep and full of secrets."
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"Who was she?"
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[music intensifies]
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[Tracy] She was very private.
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{\an8}That's a huge persona
that she'd go on interviews,
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{\an8}she would present in the same way.
She was very warm, very affectionate.
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But she gave very,
very little away about herself.
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{\an8}I think people devolved a very natural
interest in who is she and what--
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{\an8}How she'd come to be this person.
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And that story was never told by her.
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{\an8}[Rory] It turned out
that she really was her own archiver.
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{\an8}I mean, she had hung on to sort of every
element of her entire life and career.
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Almost every single letter
that she'd ever received.
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[Tiffany] Correspondence,
letters with her and Joan, diaries.
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{\an8}She kept it obviously for a reason,
I mean, it's incredible,
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{\an8}but there's a reason
why she kept it all, it's her whole life.
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[Tracy] Had she lived longer,
she may well had written
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that whole story that she had inside her…
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you know, waiting to tell.
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[interviewer] It seems to me
that Jackie had different personas.
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{\an8}She did.
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{\an8}[interviewer] Can you tell me
a bit about that?
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{\an8}Well, I think Jackie suffered for a while
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of the baby sister syndrome.
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-[dramatic music playing]
-You must give the order, your majesty.
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The order is given.
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{\an8}[Tita] Joan was extremely beautiful.
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{\an8}[newsreader] Joan Collins arrives
at London airport from America.
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{\an8}This young star has been described
by a Hollywood chief
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as the greatest screen asset America
has imported from Britain.
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[Tita] And I mean a natural beauty
with flawless skin and high cheek bones.
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She was very beautiful.
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And then, there was the baby sister…
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who was very beautiful on the inside.
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-[interviewer] Yeah.
-If you know what I mean.
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{\an8}Okay. Uh…
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{\an8}And who are you? [chuckles]
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-[man] I'm the AC guy.
-Oh, hi.
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-[man] Hi.
-Hi.
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-Part of the video.
-Okay.
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[Joan] When I starred in movies,
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{\an8}she cut out every single thing
that was in the papers,
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{\an8}pasted them in scrapbooks
and wrote underneath it,
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"Wolverhampton Echo,
January, da, da, da."
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She was the younger sister.
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It's like a marriage, you know.
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It doesn't all go along just perfectly
wonderfully all the time.
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She was always scribbling away.
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I never really asked what she was writing,
but she was certainly writing.
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{\an8}[narrator] "1953, 14th of May."
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"Went to a party with Joan."
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"It was fun, but I get an awful
inferiority complex when I'm with Joan."
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"I feel all big and clumsy and dull."
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"And Joan says everyone says I copy her."
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{\an8}[Joan] I knew that she was thinking
about becoming an actress
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{\an8}and I gave her some advice, I said
she should try and get into R.A.D.A.
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And she said, "Don't worry about me,
I'm going to be fine."
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[narrator] "Please God,
let me get into R.A.D.A."
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"Rehearsed most of the day
until five when the show began."
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"Joan told me I was very good…
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and not at all awkward
as she had expected."
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[Joan] She was very shy at first,
but she realized at an early age
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that she had a fantastic figure
and the boys liked her.
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And I think it was a great--
They were great toys.
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-[upbeat music playing]
-We lived in the basement,
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{\an8}very handy so you could just
open the window and climb out.
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{\an8}Um, I don't think
she ever made it to school. [chuckles]
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[narrator] "Fourth of August,
got train to meet Bob."
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"We drove around, necked a bit."
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"We took it in turns to lick a lollipop."
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"Thirteenth of October.
Henry and me necked on the bed."
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"We went to Hyde Park, it was raining.
He kissed me and said he loved me."
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"First of March.
Noel kissed me madly on both cheeks."
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"Joan says Noel just wants to get banged."
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"Eleventh of May.
Henry, then up to some flat."
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"We started to neck and strip madly."
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"Twenty-eighth of October.
That French film actor Maurice, he is 30."
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"At three, we went to his flat
with some other people, it was crazy."
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"The parents found out all about Bob,
both absolutely furious."
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"Daddy shrieked
and shouted that I looked like a tart."
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"It makes me sick."
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"To make matters worse,
Joan is going to Hollywood on Thursday."
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[Bill] My father
was a show business agent.
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He was very proud of Joan…
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who then became
the importance in his life.
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[Tracy] Mom would have looked
at her sister and thought,
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{\an8}"Wow, look at the attention
that she can get from just being
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{\an8}as beautiful as she is,
and Joan would win these
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{\an8}sort of most beautiful
young actress in Great Britain.
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{\an8}Meanwhile, Mom was told
all sorts of things by her father.
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{\an8}That she wasn't beautiful enough,
not slim enough,
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{\an8}that girls should know their place.
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{\an8}I don't think that ever left her.
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[soft music playing]
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[interviewer] And what
was your father like in those days?
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[Joan] Remote, strict…
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and being an agent.
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Charming, everybody loved Joe Collins.
I mean, he could turn on the charm.
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And so could my mother,
my mother was adorable.
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{\an8}Sweet, loving,
the definitive 1950s housewife.
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{\an8}[Bill] "My mom, Elsa,
was a quiet and gentle blonde beauty."
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{\an8}"Men lusted after her,
while women lusted after Joe."
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{\an8}"So I guess they were even,
except Elsa never did anything about it,
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although I am certain Joe did."
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"A philanderer for sure."
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[dramatic music plays]
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[narrator] "My father was a screamer."
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"If it could be said he would yell it."
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"Once I watched him throw
a plate of food at my mother."
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"'This is my house,
you will obey my rules,
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you're old enough and ugly enough.'"
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"I am king!"
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That's the truth, okay.
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[narrator] "Nothingville."
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"What an awful day, felt awfully alone."
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"Had a row with Daddy."
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"I've come to the conclusion
that I like Mom better than Dad."
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{\an8}"Fourth of October."
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{\an8}"Sixteen at last."
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"I got an express letter from Joan
saying she wants me to go to Hollywood
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as soon as possible."
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[jet engine roars]
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[car horn honks]
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{\an8}[Joan] Mid '50s Hollywood
was extremely glamorous.
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Marlon Brando and James Dean
and a whole bunch of other people.
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And so Jackie joined the set
and she was the little-- The kid.
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[jazz music playing]
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[narrator] "First of July."
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"Went to a cocktail party
at Diana Dors, got very loaded."
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"Went to a party where I danced up a storm
to 'Voodoo Suite' by myself."
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[Joan] We went to a lot
of nightclubs and danced like,
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you know, Mocambo and Ciro's,
and yes, I would take Jackie, uh,
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because there was always an extra man
hanging around and, um, she loved it.
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[narrator] "Fifteenth of January."
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"Went to a cocktail party
at Judy Garland's."
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"Fourth of March."
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"Went with Joan to the Gene Kelly's,
we played ping-pong with Sid Chaplin"
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{\an8}"Met Bridgette Bardot,
a French film star, God, she's cute."
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"Marilyn Monroe, her walk could make
a revolving door look stationary."
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"Twelfth of January."
254
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"Saw the casting people
at 20th Century Fox with Joan."
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[indistinct chatter]
256
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"Joan is trying to get me in the picture."
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"Twenty-eighth of January."
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"Met Marlon Brando,
I spoke to him quite a lot."
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"He's only my height and kind of fat."
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[Joan] Well, it's sort of folklore now.
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I was sitting at a dinner--
A party, one of those casual…
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It was always barbecues
and jeans and t-shirts and I was sitting
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with, um, Stewart Stern, who was
the writer of Rebel Without a Cause
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and, um, Paul Newman and, uh, Arthur Lowe.
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[narrator] "Around 12,
Marlon Brando arrived,
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talked to him a while,
then went up to Arthur's room."
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"He called me sincere,
sweet and luscious."
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He took her by the hand
and he took her upstairs.
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And I was saying, "Where are you going?"
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She said, "I'll be fine."
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Like… [scoffs] …"Get out of it."
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[jazz music playing]
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[narrator] "Sixth of August."
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"Got a letter from Mommy
telling me to come home."
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"I cried and cried and cried."
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[Joan] That's when I found out
that she was writing down a lot of things.
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And I remember
she was writing and she said,
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"One day I'm going
to write a book about all of this."
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And I said,
"Well, I think that's a great idea
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because you know
what Hollywood is really like."
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[presenter] Her ninth book is currently
a major best-selling title
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on all the best seller charts.
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Hollywood Wives and truthfully her phone
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hasn't stopped ringing
with people wanting to know
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who is really supposed
to be who in the book.
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So would you welcome, please,
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the lady that's rocked Beverly Hills,
Jackie Collins! Yeah!
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[audience applauding]
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I'm Morton Janklow, I'm a literary agent.
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{\an8}And I was a literary agent
for Jackie Collins for about 22 years.
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It was a very simple formula.
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She would observe things in life,
and then translate them into books.
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I could sometimes pick out
the characters in her books
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who were based on real life people.
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I think to be successful,
you have to write about what you know.
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And whether I'm lucky or unlucky enough
to know a lot about Hollywood,
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I think it's what I like to write about.
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And Hollywood Wives is fiction,
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but of course
it is based very much on facts.
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-Where were you?
-[man] Talk to my wife.
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What time do you call this?
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{\an8}[laughing]
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{\an8}[Jackie] Well, people loved that,
they'd go,
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{\an8}"Oh, I know who that character is."
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{\an8}"It's-- It's Clint Eastwood!"
And I'd go, "No."
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"Well, then it's Burt Reynolds!"
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And I'd go, "No,
you have to play the guessing game,
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that's the whole fun
of a Jackie Collins book."
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[man] Bye-bye.
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You know, they know that I'm not some
little old lady in, uh, Des Moines,
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writing about
the Hollywood that I think exists,
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-I'm actually out there…
-[host] Right. Right.
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…in Hollywood
doing a lot of research, um,
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forcing myself to go to parties
and watch the movie stars at play.
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[Morton] The success of Hollywood Wives
was so unexpectedly enormous.
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We were hoping for good sales,
but the sales were tremendous.
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She made a lot of money
and that really set her up.
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[Barbara] My husband, Marvin Davis,
was a very successful oil man.
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In 1981 or 82,
Marvin bought 20th Century Fox.
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It is really fun to have a studio.
It really is.
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Here is Prince Edward…
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{\an8}someone who
was the head of ABC at the time
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{\an8}and the queen.
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Jackie Collins.
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Actually, we entertained your queen
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on sound stage 9, Queen Elizabeth.
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[newsreader] A dinner for 500 guests
at the studios of 20th Century Fox
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is the hottest ticket
in Tinsel Town for years.
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[camera shutters clicking]
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I used to bring a baked potato
with me wherever I went,
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so that I had something plain on the side.
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I took out my little gold bag
and I put my baked potato on the plate.
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And she said…
334
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[imitating the Queen]
…"Oh, how wonderful, what a good idea."
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From the minute I met Jackie that night,
we were bonded, we were close.
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And she didn't do it
in a way that you would notice.
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Her notes were right up here.
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[soft music playing]
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{\an8}[Tita] 90210 was a very close knit
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and small community.
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[indistinct chatter]
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We were in each other's lives
is all I can say.
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None of us can be invited
to everything all the time.
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Cary Grant, Kirk Douglas, Gene Kelly,
Gregory Peck, Louise Jourdan.
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-[Jackie] And here we have Mr. Caine.
-What sort of a camera is that?
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[Tita] The Caines,
the Moores and the Connerys too.
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[Jackie] In the flesh.
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Jackie had an absolute gift
of taking notes
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and photographing us
without being intrusive.
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[Oprah] Caller, your chance
to talk to Jackie, hi.
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[caller] All right, my question is,
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is her life as exciting
as the books that she writes?
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[Oprah]
Is your life as exciting, that's good.
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Jackie, is your life as exciting?
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Yeah, I've got a pretty exciting life,
I think so.
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{\an8}She knew that I was gay,
and so of course her eyes lit up
357
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{\an8}when she found out
that I was a lesbian and that I…
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{\an8}She always wanted
to know about my personal life.
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-Was I in a relationship, was I dating?
-[Jackie] "For Susan preferred women."
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"For the last three years
she'd been having a very satisfying affair
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with the producer's wife,
sexy copper-haired Paige Wheeler."
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[Gina] I was in one relationship
where I had a girlfriend in Palm Springs,
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and I would come back and she would want
explicit details about what I had done.
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[Jackie] "They were naked
and playing games."
365
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Who I had seen, what did they look like.
366
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[Jackie] "You show me yours,
I'll show you mine."
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Um…
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She wanted sort of the outer layer,
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so that she could
create the inner details,
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was sort of the sense I got.
371
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Here we have the great
Mr. Jack Provano.
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[Melody Korenbrot]
When we first met Jackie,
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we got a phone call
from a New York publicist
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{\an8}who asked if we'd be interested
in this author named Jackie Collins.
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{\an8}We had no clue who she was,
we were movie publicists.
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[man] Where are you going, Melody?
Where are you?
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-I'm carrying-- Down here.
-[both laughing]
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-[man] Where are you going?
-Gonna carry her bags, as usual.
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[Melody] In the '80s, she was one
of the few, there's a handful that wrote.
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[Morton] I had Judy Clarence
and Barbara Taylor Bradford
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and Danielle Steel.
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But Jackie was the only one I knew
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who really notices
that it was dependent on her hard work.
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When she'd written a book,
she would attend marketing meetings.
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Most authors don't do that.
They hand in the book and then disappear.
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She was out front, she was there.
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[Oprah] You can ask a question, yes.
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Miss Collins,
you're a very beautiful lady,
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but you have an inner beauty about you.
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-Doesn't she?
-Oh, yes, and…
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[Barbara] Her women
were strong in her books.
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And they came from a strong person.
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And I think Jackie was a strong person.
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[all laughing]
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And women who would not ever
read books before loved her.
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[interviewer]
Why did you get onto the line?
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Because we like reading her books.
398
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:50,507
[interviewer] How many
of the other books have you read?
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-All of them. [chuckles]
-[women chuckling]
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[woman] I'm an addict.
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[Jackie] Here we have Hazel
in Paris. Bonjour, Hazel.
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Bonjour!
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[Hazel] I went
to all Jackie's book signings.
404
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[speaking French]
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{\an8}One after the other
of women would just go up
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{\an8}to her and say,
"I'd like you to sign my book."
407
00:26:14,281 --> 00:26:17,201
"But please can I tell you,
thank you so much."
408
00:26:17,284 --> 00:26:20,871
"From reading your books,
I now have so much more courage."
409
00:26:21,246 --> 00:26:23,499
And, "Thank you,
I was in a really bad relationship."
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00:26:23,832 --> 00:26:24,875
One after the other.
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[Melody] There would be lines
around the block.
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Every person got a moment with her.
She didn't treat anyone badly.
413
00:26:36,220 --> 00:26:39,556
You got to talk to her, she talked to you.
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00:26:40,432 --> 00:26:41,892
Her fans made her
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and she wasn't going
to treat them poorly, ever.
416
00:26:45,145 --> 00:26:46,730
[interviewer] Are you going
to read the book after?
417
00:26:46,814 --> 00:26:49,483
We're going to read
the book when we get on this line.
418
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By the time we get to her,
this book will be finished. [chuckles]
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{\an8}There is nobody, you know, that built
the empire as far as the brand
420
00:27:03,497 --> 00:27:04,540
{\an8}like she did.
421
00:27:05,207 --> 00:27:11,463
{\an8}I-- I don't know of another authoress
that has done that.
422
00:27:11,547 --> 00:27:12,965
[indistinct chatter]
423
00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:16,593
I can tell you it's substantial,
I can tell you it's millions,
424
00:27:16,677 --> 00:27:19,471
but, you know,
I certainly can't tell you what,
425
00:27:19,555 --> 00:27:22,099
you know, her empire was worth.
426
00:27:23,809 --> 00:27:26,145
[interviewer] But in Hollywood terms
it was significant?
427
00:27:26,228 --> 00:27:27,396
Substantial.
428
00:27:28,605 --> 00:27:29,731
[interviewer] Yeah.
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00:27:32,776 --> 00:27:36,780
[Rory] To be an author and to also
have that level of celebrity,
430
00:27:37,156 --> 00:27:38,532
that was unheard of.
431
00:27:40,826 --> 00:27:43,704
[Tiffany] She was a larger
than life character.
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00:27:45,164 --> 00:27:46,415
She was there for all her friends,
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00:27:46,498 --> 00:27:48,417
everybody thought
that they were the best friend.
434
00:27:49,334 --> 00:27:54,673
My name is Laura Lizer
and I was Jackie's business manager,
435
00:27:54,756 --> 00:27:56,967
but also, I was her best friend.
436
00:27:57,384 --> 00:28:01,221
I'm Jan Gold
and I'm Jackie Collins' best friend.
437
00:28:01,763 --> 00:28:06,393
My relationship
to Jackie Collins is a best friend.
438
00:28:07,144 --> 00:28:08,312
[sighs]
439
00:28:08,645 --> 00:28:10,355
Well, anyway.
440
00:28:12,441 --> 00:28:14,693
-[caller] Good morning, Jackie.
-Good morning, how are you?
441
00:28:14,776 --> 00:28:16,612
[caller] I'm doing great,
can you tell me--
442
00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:19,198
-…in just a couple of minutes.
-Okay.
443
00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:20,657
[static]
444
00:28:21,617 --> 00:28:23,577
[Tita] She lived in Jackie land.
445
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:31,710
But she was far more fragile
than she would have you know.
446
00:28:34,213 --> 00:28:39,009
Very few people saw past the facade.
447
00:28:42,304 --> 00:28:44,765
[hums]
448
00:28:45,891 --> 00:28:47,684
-[projector whirring]
-[birds singing]
449
00:28:49,728 --> 00:28:51,188
[soft music playing]
450
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,027
[narrator] "Twenty-third of Feb.
I went around several model agencies."
451
00:28:58,278 --> 00:29:00,822
"Went for an interview
and I had to put on my bikini."
452
00:29:02,324 --> 00:29:04,952
"In makeup
I was told my nose was too long."
453
00:29:05,827 --> 00:29:08,789
"Went to see Bill Watts,
he said my eyebrows were too thick."
454
00:29:09,957 --> 00:29:12,417
"I look awful, Joan told me so."
455
00:29:15,337 --> 00:29:17,047
"I wish I could get some work."
456
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:21,843
[Joan] She did a picture
with Alec Guinness,
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00:29:21,927 --> 00:29:24,179
I remember
she was very excited about that.
458
00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:29,101
And then she played
opposite Roger Moore in The Saint.
459
00:29:35,941 --> 00:29:40,696
And then Daddy sent her off
on the variety circuit
460
00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:45,993
and she was billed
as Joan Collins' younger sister,
461
00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:49,204
which I think infuriated her.
462
00:29:54,334 --> 00:29:55,961
She didn't want
to be associated with me,
463
00:29:56,044 --> 00:29:58,005
because people
would always ask her about me, you know.
464
00:30:07,055 --> 00:30:08,598
[narrator] "Twenty-first of September."
465
00:30:09,975 --> 00:30:12,102
{\an8}"Went to Harley Street
to have a nose operation."
466
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,022
{\an8}"I can't swallow or breathe
and look like a monster."
467
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,941
[Tita] I hate to say these things,
468
00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:23,697
but Jackie had a lot of fixing
to do and she struggled with weight.
469
00:30:24,114 --> 00:30:28,702
And the teeth are done
and the nose was done.
470
00:30:28,785 --> 00:30:35,375
I mean, I'm just being frank,
but she made herself just beautiful.
471
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,713
[narrator] "Twenty-eighth of October."
472
00:30:40,547 --> 00:30:42,257
"I love my new nose."
473
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:45,093
["My Dearest One" playing]
474
00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:53,226
♪ There is one… ♪
475
00:30:55,312 --> 00:30:56,563
[narrator] "May 17th."
476
00:30:56,813 --> 00:30:59,608
"Had dinner at Wallace's with him,
a nice quiet evening."
477
00:31:00,692 --> 00:31:02,319
"Lately things are great with us."
478
00:31:02,402 --> 00:31:04,363
♪ I want you near to me… ♪
479
00:31:05,906 --> 00:31:09,534
{\an8}[Jennifer] She had had some
flood damage in one of her rooms,
480
00:31:09,701 --> 00:31:12,788
{\an8}and, um, we had to
go through a number of items
481
00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:19,461
{\an8}and there was a suitcase on
a shelf that, um, I opened and she said,
482
00:31:19,544 --> 00:31:21,755
{\an8}"Oh, that was my--
My first wedding dress."
483
00:31:22,089 --> 00:31:23,965
[indistinct chatter]
484
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:27,177
♪ Truly I do… ♪
485
00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:29,304
[Tiffany]
I don't know how they met actually.
486
00:31:30,013 --> 00:31:33,266
But Wallace sort of appeared in her life.
487
00:31:33,975 --> 00:31:36,561
-[Bill] They met at a dinner party.
-[laughs]
488
00:31:37,562 --> 00:31:40,774
He was very charismatic, he was lovely,
he was a very nice person.
489
00:31:40,857 --> 00:31:43,276
♪ But please… ♪
490
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,656
[Joan] He was from a nice family
and my parents liked him a lot.
491
00:31:47,739 --> 00:31:50,158
He was solid, he had a business.
492
00:31:51,743 --> 00:31:53,662
[Tracy] She'd been struggling
in her career,
493
00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:56,206
she hadn't really become an actress.
494
00:31:56,456 --> 00:31:59,709
And she was really swept off her feet.
495
00:31:59,793 --> 00:32:02,921
You know, they went to Gstaad
and they went skiing
496
00:32:03,004 --> 00:32:05,882
and they went here and they went there
and he took her to Italy.
497
00:32:07,134 --> 00:32:10,971
It was an incredibly sort
of whirlwind romance.
498
00:32:13,014 --> 00:32:17,352
[Rory] Wallace was very desirable
in the kind of social scene.
499
00:32:18,895 --> 00:32:20,147
Had a lot of ladies.
500
00:32:20,856 --> 00:32:23,108
And I think, you know,
that she liked a challenge.
501
00:32:24,401 --> 00:32:25,735
[indistinct chatter]
502
00:32:26,486 --> 00:32:29,698
[Tracy] He was what they would consider
in those days a playboy.
503
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:32,159
But he had money
and it would mean
504
00:32:32,492 --> 00:32:36,079
that she was be able
to move away from her father.
505
00:32:37,414 --> 00:32:41,585
[narrator] "We drove to Sanremo
for the day, went to Monte Carlo Casino,
506
00:32:42,002 --> 00:32:45,005
-later ate at the harbor in Cannes."
-[laughs]
507
00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:49,217
♪ I do ♪
508
00:32:49,593 --> 00:32:53,847
[Rory] When Hollywood didn't happen,
I'm guessing she just thought,
509
00:32:54,347 --> 00:32:56,183
"Maybe I'll just get married."
510
00:32:57,434 --> 00:33:01,354
[narrator] "April 21st.
Daddy started talking about me and W."
511
00:33:02,606 --> 00:33:04,191
"We discussed getting engaged."
512
00:33:06,943 --> 00:33:13,116
[Joan] It was a very, very big,
fancy-schmancy wedding at Roman House.
513
00:33:15,619 --> 00:33:19,706
Jackie had a 21 inch waist,
she looked absolutely ravishing.
514
00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:22,334
Wallace was in a top hat.
515
00:33:22,959 --> 00:33:27,380
-Oh, God! And I came with Warren.
-[indistinct chatter]
516
00:33:28,381 --> 00:33:30,592
We took pictures, we made speeches.
517
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,679
It was a lovely wedding.
518
00:33:40,227 --> 00:33:44,231
Later she had showed me
a photograph of her in that--
519
00:33:44,356 --> 00:33:49,611
In that dress and we talked
about Wallace, we talked about, um,
520
00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:53,990
just that he was not emotionally well.
521
00:33:54,699 --> 00:33:57,577
[narrator] "Spent the day
with Wallace, he's still ill."
522
00:33:58,078 --> 00:34:00,163
"I'm so happy with him most times."
523
00:34:00,789 --> 00:34:05,752
Very quickly on, she saw something
that was really concerning
524
00:34:05,835 --> 00:34:08,880
and really difficult
and didn't understand it.
525
00:34:10,048 --> 00:34:11,800
[narrator] "Wallace stayed
in bed all day."
526
00:34:12,842 --> 00:34:14,344
"Atmosphere strained."
527
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:20,684
He had gotten involved in a doctor
who started to heavily medicate him.
528
00:34:21,309 --> 00:34:24,980
And consequently that led
to him becoming an addict.
529
00:34:26,773 --> 00:34:29,985
[narrator] "Ever since our marriage,
my husband has been a drug addict."
530
00:34:31,278 --> 00:34:34,573
"My husband always objected
to my having friends into our home,
531
00:34:34,656 --> 00:34:37,409
and would be in a drugged condition
when my friends arrived."
532
00:34:37,492 --> 00:34:38,994
"To such an extent that my…"
533
00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:43,331
[Tracy] She was a young woman,
married, pregnant with me,
534
00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:50,255
with a husband who was,
you know, severely, um, mentally ill.
535
00:34:50,338 --> 00:34:53,174
[narrator] "At twelve o'clock midnight,
he leaped out of bed
536
00:34:53,341 --> 00:34:55,552
and I discovered
he had taken some methedrine."
537
00:34:58,305 --> 00:35:01,516
[Tracy] "He rushed to the balcony
saying he was going to throw himself off."
538
00:35:03,393 --> 00:35:07,147
"After some 15 minutes, Wallace
did not reappear from the balcony."
539
00:35:07,397 --> 00:35:09,232
"And growing very worried
about his threat,
540
00:35:09,357 --> 00:35:11,651
I went to look for him
and found the balcony empty."
541
00:35:11,818 --> 00:35:13,236
{\an8}[somber music playing]
542
00:35:16,531 --> 00:35:20,201
{\an8}He used to threaten her,
I think is the right word,
543
00:35:20,285 --> 00:35:23,163
{\an8}that if she left him,
that he would commit suicide.
544
00:35:24,331 --> 00:35:25,415
[narrator] "July 12th."
545
00:35:25,915 --> 00:35:30,086
"Wallace kept me up all night,
was violent and abusive."
546
00:35:34,257 --> 00:35:37,927
[Joan] I came back from Hollywood,
Tracy was born.
547
00:35:41,097 --> 00:35:42,515
[Bill] I would say it was difficult.
548
00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:46,144
She had Tracy, Tracy was very young,
and we were looking after her
549
00:35:46,227 --> 00:35:50,231
and going to visit Wallace
at the various hospitals he was in.
550
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,529
[narrator] "Dear Mrs. Austin,
I'm writing to let you know
551
00:35:56,696 --> 00:35:59,699
that your husband has agreed
to undergo some electrical treatment,
552
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,035
which we hope will ease his tension."
553
00:36:02,911 --> 00:36:04,954
"He received his first treatment
this morning,
554
00:36:05,121 --> 00:36:06,498
but I am very glad to say that…"
555
00:36:06,581 --> 00:36:11,002
[Tracy] Electroshock therapy
was very brutal, it was very primitive.
556
00:36:12,796 --> 00:36:15,256
So not knowing the kind
of husband that she would get back
557
00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:20,011
after something like that, the fear
must have been, you know, enormous.
558
00:36:20,095 --> 00:36:21,471
-[dog barking]
-[ominous music playing]
559
00:36:28,061 --> 00:36:31,314
My mom absolutely
worshipped her mom.
560
00:36:33,149 --> 00:36:36,069
Elsa was kind of like this angel,
561
00:36:36,903 --> 00:36:40,657
very warm,
very nurturing, very, very loving.
562
00:36:46,287 --> 00:36:52,460
[Joan] Daddy said, "We are not to mention
that she has got cancer,
563
00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:58,299
we don't use that word."
She's got a virus, she has a bad flu.
564
00:36:58,591 --> 00:37:02,679
It was as though, you know, she had some
horrible communic--
565
00:37:02,762 --> 00:37:08,935
I mean, it was really
terrifying how strongly he felt about it
566
00:37:09,018 --> 00:37:14,190
and we would talk about it,
we would cry a lot, we would visit her.
567
00:37:15,942 --> 00:37:21,614
And Jackie had Tracy
and she would bring Tracy,
568
00:37:21,698 --> 00:37:24,367
little baby Tracy to see Mommy.
569
00:37:24,701 --> 00:37:26,161
[somber music playing]
570
00:37:28,747 --> 00:37:31,958
She had a dying mother,
571
00:37:32,417 --> 00:37:37,213
a father who was so bereft,
but covering it all up,
572
00:37:38,089 --> 00:37:41,176
and this husband
who I think was now doping.
573
00:37:42,427 --> 00:37:45,221
It must have been very, very hard for her.
574
00:37:48,892 --> 00:37:52,395
[narrator] "Wallace phoned me and said,
'The Lord will have your soul.'"
575
00:37:53,021 --> 00:37:55,190
"He spoke of taking Tracy into court."
576
00:37:58,151 --> 00:38:00,695
[Tracy] Suddenly she
was completely trapped…
577
00:38:00,779 --> 00:38:01,863
[baby babbles]
578
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,116
…and probably with no notion of,
579
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,535
"How do I get out of this
and what do I do?"
580
00:38:08,328 --> 00:38:09,871
[dramatic music playing]
581
00:38:11,247 --> 00:38:12,707
[car engine starts]
582
00:38:17,754 --> 00:38:19,339
[Melody] She didn't have any money,
583
00:38:20,215 --> 00:38:22,217
but she got up enough courage to leave
584
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,552
in the middle of the night
and never looked back.
585
00:38:26,513 --> 00:38:31,226
And shortly after, she found out
that he had killed himself.
586
00:38:31,392 --> 00:38:32,727
["Misty Moon" playing]
587
00:38:33,603 --> 00:38:37,232
I think the circumstances
of his death were pretty horrible.
588
00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:41,277
You know, going off
into the black forest
589
00:38:41,361 --> 00:38:45,573
and I think he was taking pills,
I'm not quite sure how it happened.
590
00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:47,992
♪ Since my lover had gone… ♪
591
00:38:48,076 --> 00:38:51,454
[host] As a teenage girl, you married
a businessman who was older than you,
592
00:38:51,538 --> 00:38:56,459
who you've described honestly as dynamic,
exciting, but a manic depressive
593
00:38:56,918 --> 00:38:58,628
who was dependent upon drugs.
594
00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:01,506
You divorced him
after four years of marriage
595
00:39:01,589 --> 00:39:03,716
and shortly afterwards he was found dead.
596
00:39:05,176 --> 00:39:07,512
And you have a daughter
from this marriage.
597
00:39:10,181 --> 00:39:13,518
I mean, I knew he would do it,
I knew two years before he would do it.
598
00:39:13,768 --> 00:39:16,563
And you can't live your life
with somebody saying to you,
599
00:39:16,646 --> 00:39:18,273
"I'm going to kill myself
if you leave me,"
600
00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:20,358
or, "I'm going to kill myself
if you do this or that."
601
00:39:20,525 --> 00:39:22,527
Eventually you have to go off
and live your life
602
00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:23,778
and you can't feel guilty about it.
603
00:39:23,862 --> 00:39:26,739
I've never felt guilty about it
because I knew he was going to do it
604
00:39:26,823 --> 00:39:28,741
and there was nothing
that would have stopped him.
605
00:39:28,825 --> 00:39:30,910
I wouldn't have stopped him,
nobody could have stopped him.
606
00:39:34,455 --> 00:39:37,667
[Tracy] This was the defining point
I'm guessing in her life
607
00:39:38,793 --> 00:39:43,298
to moving her on, I think, to--
To protecting herself.
608
00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:44,465
And how did she do that?
609
00:39:44,549 --> 00:39:48,219
She… She created a world for herself,
610
00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:52,682
of wonderful characters
who wouldn't let her down.
611
00:39:53,474 --> 00:39:55,768
Hi, I'm Jackie Collins.
612
00:39:55,935 --> 00:40:01,107
I write novels, big long powerful stories,
the kind I like to read.
613
00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:04,193
And thanks to you I've been lucky,
they've all been bestsellers.
614
00:40:04,277 --> 00:40:05,486
And now I'd like you to get…
615
00:40:05,570 --> 00:40:08,615
[Tracy] If she could become successful
in her own right,
616
00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:11,659
nobody else could take that away from her.
617
00:40:11,743 --> 00:40:13,369
[upbeat music playing]
618
00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:19,125
The double standard,
I grew up with it, didn't you?
619
00:40:19,208 --> 00:40:22,253
Men, as far as far as I could tell,
had it all their own way,
620
00:40:22,337 --> 00:40:23,963
and women were very good about it.
621
00:40:24,047 --> 00:40:26,549
They accepted it,
as if it was their light in life to wait
622
00:40:26,633 --> 00:40:28,551
quietly in the kitchen or the bedroom.
623
00:40:28,718 --> 00:40:29,844
[crowd chanting]
624
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:33,640
[Jackie] Why,
I ask myself, why do we accept it?
625
00:40:33,973 --> 00:40:36,601
Why do we tolerate a society
which nods approvingly
626
00:40:36,684 --> 00:40:39,938
if a married man plays around,
but if a married woman does it,
627
00:40:40,021 --> 00:40:43,441
"Oh, dear me. She's a slut,
a tramp, a bad woman."
628
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,446
[Morton] She writes about a woman being
sexually harassed on the job.
629
00:40:48,696 --> 00:40:50,073
[crowd chanting]
630
00:40:51,282 --> 00:40:53,660
-A horrific marriage.
-[crowd chanting]
631
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,829
A man who destroys her temperamentally.
632
00:40:56,955 --> 00:41:00,458
-[crowd chanting]
-The authors who do the best
633
00:41:01,250 --> 00:41:03,962
are the ones
who personally feel those problems.
634
00:41:04,253 --> 00:41:05,588
[indistinct chatter]
635
00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:09,550
[host] What does feminism mean
to you then if you are a feminist?
636
00:41:09,717 --> 00:41:14,055
It means, um… It means freedom,
it means sexual freedom,
637
00:41:14,138 --> 00:41:15,640
I don't like the double standard.
638
00:41:15,723 --> 00:41:17,892
I think that, you know,
women and men should be able
639
00:41:17,976 --> 00:41:19,686
-to be as free as each other.
-["Vitamin C" playing]
640
00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:21,229
♪ Hey, you ♪
641
00:41:23,898 --> 00:41:25,066
♪ You're losing… ♪
642
00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:31,114
[Joan] She would go for the hunks,
the bodybuilders, the six packers.
643
00:41:32,031 --> 00:41:36,244
I mean, she was still very young,
she was 21 or 22 years old.
644
00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:39,914
♪ You're losing, you're losing
You're losing, you're losing… ♪
645
00:41:39,998 --> 00:41:45,086
[Tracy] She certainly got back
into having a few relationships.
646
00:41:46,796 --> 00:41:51,259
What her own turmoil was after my father,
I don't know.
647
00:41:52,802 --> 00:41:58,808
But she felt that,
you know, she deserved more.
648
00:42:00,268 --> 00:42:01,477
♪ Hey, you ♪
649
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,315
♪ You're losing, you're losing ♪
650
00:42:06,399 --> 00:42:09,819
♪ You're losing
You're losing your vitamin C ♪
651
00:42:12,447 --> 00:42:13,656
♪ Hey, you ♪
652
00:42:23,791 --> 00:42:25,501
-[interviewer] So, Johnny, can you just…
-[Johnny Gold] Yes.
653
00:42:25,626 --> 00:42:27,628
[interviewer]
…tell me a little bit about yourself?
654
00:42:27,712 --> 00:42:32,050
{\an8}My name is Johnny Gold.
I was a partner of Oscar Lerman.
655
00:42:32,425 --> 00:42:34,010
{\an8}[indistinct chatter]
656
00:42:35,053 --> 00:42:37,805
I first met him, I think it was '62.
657
00:42:38,097 --> 00:42:39,891
[seagulls crying]
658
00:42:40,808 --> 00:42:43,519
He said to me, "How would you like to be
in the club business?"
659
00:42:44,312 --> 00:42:45,897
I said, "Well,
I don't know anything about it."
660
00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:47,106
He said, "You'll learn."
661
00:42:47,774 --> 00:42:52,195
So I said, "Well, fine."
And we opened Tramp.
662
00:42:52,653 --> 00:42:54,530
[disco music playing]
663
00:43:03,247 --> 00:43:05,458
[Tita] Oh, I met everybody at Tramp.
664
00:43:05,875 --> 00:43:09,045
I met Muhammad Ali,
I met the Caines, I met…
665
00:43:09,128 --> 00:43:12,882
Oh, whoever was in town
all stopped at Tramp.
666
00:43:13,174 --> 00:43:14,884
♪ I'll do anything you ask me to… ♪
667
00:43:16,803 --> 00:43:20,723
Jackie and myself, and even Joan as well,
we would go to this club,
668
00:43:20,807 --> 00:43:23,184
because it was the most in club in London.
669
00:43:26,896 --> 00:43:29,524
♪ I'll do anything you ask me to… ♪
670
00:43:29,941 --> 00:43:35,321
{\an8}She used to sweep in looking amazing
in this skin tight low cut black dress.
671
00:43:35,488 --> 00:43:38,783
{\an8}She had the dynamite figure
and it always had zhuzh around
672
00:43:38,866 --> 00:43:41,994
{\an8}and all the guys would be panting.
673
00:43:43,162 --> 00:43:48,167
[Johnny] Oscar and I are sitting there
and Oscar says, "Oh, my God."
674
00:43:48,584 --> 00:43:50,211
And I looked and it's Jackie.
675
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,466
And I said, "Oh, my God, Johnny.
I'm going to marry that girl." [chuckles]
676
00:43:56,676 --> 00:44:00,638
[Tracy] I know she had two men
that both asked her to marry them
677
00:44:00,763 --> 00:44:04,559
and she took me away on holiday
with both of them
678
00:44:05,309 --> 00:44:07,145
to decide who was better with me.
679
00:44:07,228 --> 00:44:11,023
[chuckling] So that would have been,
you know, very confusing for me,
680
00:44:11,107 --> 00:44:13,734
but nonetheless,
she came back and decided
681
00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:15,987
that Oscar was the man for her.
682
00:44:16,112 --> 00:44:18,447
-[soft music playing]
-[indistinct chatter]
683
00:44:19,699 --> 00:44:22,702
[Joan] Everybody loved Oscar,
they really did.
684
00:44:22,827 --> 00:44:24,871
I never heard a bad word about him.
685
00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:30,710
And he worshipped
the ground she walked on.
686
00:44:37,425 --> 00:44:40,011
[Johnny] And the first apartment
they lived in was the one
687
00:44:40,094 --> 00:44:41,846
that Jackie was already living in.
688
00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:46,017
And one day he found this manuscript.
689
00:44:47,727 --> 00:44:50,396
And Oscar said, "What is this, Jackie?"
690
00:44:52,607 --> 00:44:55,151
And she said,
"Well, I started to try write a book."
691
00:44:57,653 --> 00:45:00,198
So Oscar took it and read it
and he said it was good,
692
00:45:00,281 --> 00:45:01,657
he said, "I was really shocked."
693
00:45:02,575 --> 00:45:04,118
And he said, "I made her finish it."
694
00:45:04,202 --> 00:45:05,745
I said,
"Jackie you've got to finish this book."
695
00:45:07,663 --> 00:45:08,915
[Jackie] I'd been writing all my life.
696
00:45:08,998 --> 00:45:11,250
I'd written a lot
of half books that I hadn't finished,
697
00:45:11,334 --> 00:45:13,586
and he was the first person
that said to me,
698
00:45:13,711 --> 00:45:16,255
"It's absolutely terrific
and you can do it."
699
00:45:16,422 --> 00:45:18,674
And so I did it, I mean,
he said, "You've got to finish it."
700
00:45:18,758 --> 00:45:20,718
I'd never finished anything up
until that time.
701
00:45:23,346 --> 00:45:27,183
I think that had been
in her sort of psyche for a long time.
702
00:45:28,476 --> 00:45:31,812
Because she had a lot
of trauma, you know, prior to that.
703
00:45:32,897 --> 00:45:37,026
But she found that very,
very painful to talk about.
704
00:45:38,027 --> 00:45:40,696
Certainly, you know,
to be able to sit down and write.
705
00:45:41,364 --> 00:45:44,200
That was her sort of lifeline.
706
00:45:47,578 --> 00:45:49,455
[Jackie] It took me forever,
but I finished it.
707
00:45:49,872 --> 00:45:51,624
And then I looked along my bookcase
708
00:45:51,707 --> 00:45:54,752
and saw a publisher that I had
a lot of their books and I thought,
709
00:45:54,877 --> 00:45:57,838
"Well, if I like what they publish,
maybe they'll like what I write."
710
00:46:00,967 --> 00:46:04,637
[Tracy] In those days you actually
had to send a big thick manuscript off.
711
00:46:06,097 --> 00:46:10,726
And I think it got picked up by
the first publisher that it got sent to.
712
00:46:12,603 --> 00:46:14,188
Four hundred pounds.
713
00:46:15,564 --> 00:46:18,192
Four hundred pounds
she got for that first book.
714
00:46:18,859 --> 00:46:22,154
How did I remember that? Anyway, um…
715
00:46:22,238 --> 00:46:23,698
[interviewer]
And what was that book called?
716
00:46:24,073 --> 00:46:26,450
I think-- Was it
The World Is Full of Married Men?
717
00:46:26,534 --> 00:46:28,411
{\an8}["Devil Woman" playing]
718
00:46:32,540 --> 00:46:35,376
"Chapter one. Claudia was in bed,
719
00:46:35,459 --> 00:46:38,963
she was a very beautiful girl
and she knew it."
720
00:46:39,213 --> 00:46:42,591
"And David knew it,
so everyone was happy."
721
00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:47,221
"She caressed his back,
and he felt desire rise up in him again."
722
00:46:47,763 --> 00:46:49,932
"She'd only to touch him
and he wanted her."
723
00:46:50,474 --> 00:46:53,060
"There's only one little problem,
I don't want to marry you."
724
00:46:53,686 --> 00:46:56,939
"Not even if you were free
and we could rush off and do it now."
725
00:46:57,398 --> 00:47:01,861
"I want to do what I want to do,
whenever I want."
726
00:47:01,986 --> 00:47:04,488
"No ties, no strings,
I don't want marriage,
727
00:47:04,572 --> 00:47:06,240
it means nothing to me."
728
00:47:08,075 --> 00:47:10,077
♪ She's just a devil woman… ♪
729
00:47:10,161 --> 00:47:13,622
[Jan] She firmly believed that it would
do well, she was that positive.
730
00:47:15,166 --> 00:47:20,212
But I think she was surprised
at how amazingly well it did do.
731
00:47:20,421 --> 00:47:24,842
And of course the one thing we all loved
was that end killer line,
732
00:47:25,301 --> 00:47:27,386
"Justice for all females."
733
00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:31,515
[Tracy] They published,
you know, 2,000 books,
734
00:47:32,350 --> 00:47:34,894
and within eight weeks,
suddenly, you know,
735
00:47:34,977 --> 00:47:37,104
oh, my God,
we're going into a 100,000.
736
00:47:37,188 --> 00:47:39,774
♪ Let me see the lines on your hand… ♪
737
00:47:40,691 --> 00:47:45,404
[Jeffrey Lane] I'd worked with Joan
as a publicist since the late 60s.
738
00:47:46,947 --> 00:47:51,577
Joan took me to a party in London at Tramp
739
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:55,164
at the book launch
for The World Is Full of Married Men.
740
00:47:57,291 --> 00:48:02,671
{\an8}Jackie was the first author
to write about women who were…
741
00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:06,258
{\an8}Who behaved like men,
who did what men did
742
00:48:06,801 --> 00:48:10,888
{\an8}and didn't apologize
or excuse themselves.
743
00:48:11,555 --> 00:48:15,434
[Tracy] So it very quickly made her very
controversial at a very young age.
744
00:48:17,561 --> 00:48:19,647
[Bill] They had two children,
Tiffany and Rory.
745
00:48:21,023 --> 00:48:22,900
Oscar was earning money with the club…
746
00:48:23,901 --> 00:48:26,612
and it enabled her to just write.
747
00:48:27,988 --> 00:48:32,410
He wasn't at all threatened
by her talent or her creativity, you know,
748
00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:36,372
he really just wanted to, you know,
he wanted to help her develop that.
749
00:48:36,455 --> 00:48:37,706
[indistinct chatter]
750
00:48:38,332 --> 00:48:42,044
When they'd come back from Tramp,
they'd stay up, you know,
751
00:48:42,128 --> 00:48:43,504
drinking and playing charades.
752
00:48:45,464 --> 00:48:48,175
There was always a sense
that she was researching.
753
00:48:50,261 --> 00:48:52,304
[Johnny] You know,
the names were slightly changed,
754
00:48:52,388 --> 00:48:55,724
but you could recognize them
if you were on that scene
755
00:48:55,808 --> 00:48:59,353
and we knew who she was writing about. Um…
756
00:48:59,437 --> 00:49:00,604
[interviewer] How about you?
757
00:49:00,771 --> 00:49:04,233
Well, a lot of people thought The Stud
was me, but it wasn't.
758
00:49:05,401 --> 00:49:07,194
-[interviewer] Jackie said it was you.
-[Johnny] Did she?
759
00:49:07,278 --> 00:49:10,197
Well, she called me a sexual athlete,
I mean, that's not bad.
760
00:49:11,699 --> 00:49:15,953
[Joan] When I read The Stud, I said,
this would make a great movie.
761
00:49:16,662 --> 00:49:21,625
I'd now been an actress
for over 20 years, 22 years.
762
00:49:21,834 --> 00:49:22,710
[screaming]
763
00:49:22,793 --> 00:49:26,213
I'd done this terrible movie called
Empire of the Ants.
764
00:49:27,673 --> 00:49:29,425
[screaming] Get me out of here!
765
00:49:30,009 --> 00:49:33,679
And, um, you know, I was--
Parts weren't coming my way.
766
00:49:34,513 --> 00:49:36,599
Joan was really famous…
767
00:49:38,601 --> 00:49:42,646
before Jackie, right,
really famous, huge in London.
768
00:49:44,732 --> 00:49:48,569
And then Jackie started to become famous,
769
00:49:49,653 --> 00:49:51,363
but Joan's acting at that point…
770
00:49:53,866 --> 00:49:54,867
not much.
771
00:49:55,784 --> 00:49:57,620
[Jan] I mean, Joan was nothing,
772
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,040
and I don't think Jackie
ever thought that would happen.
773
00:50:01,624 --> 00:50:05,461
And I certainly
don't think she ever thought…
774
00:50:07,505 --> 00:50:09,882
she would revive Joan's career.
775
00:50:10,257 --> 00:50:13,385
So I asked Jackie
if she would write the script
776
00:50:13,469 --> 00:50:16,555
and that I could then start taking
it to various producers,
777
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:19,517
to various people
that I knew to get it financed.
778
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,228
[Johnny] "The Stud by Jackie Collins."
779
00:50:23,187 --> 00:50:28,567
"Fontaine came in,
I followed her to a small elevator
780
00:50:29,068 --> 00:50:32,112
and we pressed closely together
as it started up."
781
00:50:34,698 --> 00:50:35,783
What's going on?
782
00:50:36,325 --> 00:50:38,244
"'Are we there?' I asked foolishly."
783
00:50:38,452 --> 00:50:42,498
"'No, but we soon can be,' she replied,
pulling up my trousers."
784
00:50:42,665 --> 00:50:44,166
-[moaning]
-That's right.
785
00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:47,795
[Johnny] "Screw me, you bastard!
Keep it hard!"
786
00:50:48,671 --> 00:50:51,215
[Oliver Tobias]
When I first read the original script,
787
00:50:51,298 --> 00:50:54,718
{\an8}I thought it was just like
a silly sort of soft porn opera,
788
00:50:54,802 --> 00:50:56,679
{\an8}it had nothing going for it.
789
00:50:57,179 --> 00:51:00,975
{\an8}And now we've made an interpretation out
of it, it's a very different story.
790
00:51:01,058 --> 00:51:05,521
Oliver Tobias thought he was the second
coming of Rock Hudson.
791
00:51:05,604 --> 00:51:08,274
-[suspense music playing]
-[woman] You're my Christmas present.
792
00:51:09,275 --> 00:51:11,569
[Oliver] Jackie Collins is a good writer,
793
00:51:11,735 --> 00:51:14,405
but, I mean,
movie making is a different medium.
794
00:51:14,947 --> 00:51:18,284
You know, I mean, you're making movies,
it's a director's medium
795
00:51:18,617 --> 00:51:21,537
and he's the painter
and the actor's the color.
796
00:51:22,037 --> 00:51:24,206
I'm a color in a picture.
797
00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:26,959
[splash]
798
00:51:27,293 --> 00:51:28,794
[birds singing]
799
00:51:29,545 --> 00:51:33,716
The-- The attitude towards women writing
films and scripts is changing now.
800
00:51:33,882 --> 00:51:36,093
I think before they were supposed
to write films about ladies
801
00:51:36,176 --> 00:51:39,513
that had nervous breakdowns
in southern Wales or something.
802
00:51:39,597 --> 00:51:41,473
I think all that has changed,
I hope so anyway.
803
00:51:44,310 --> 00:51:46,812
[Bill] There was great snobbery
at that time.
804
00:51:49,773 --> 00:51:52,568
[narrator] Where would we all be I wonder
without the jet set?
805
00:51:53,611 --> 00:51:56,447
They have turned boredom
into an art form and big fat books
806
00:51:56,530 --> 00:51:59,366
have also been based
on their aimless comings and goings.
807
00:51:59,783 --> 00:52:03,287
-Ladies and gentlemen, Jackie Collins.
-[soft music playing]
808
00:52:06,332 --> 00:52:09,335
[Bill] But, look, Jackie was laughing
all the way to the bank.
809
00:52:11,337 --> 00:52:13,922
[Tracy] She had found, you know, her niche
810
00:52:14,006 --> 00:52:17,509
and she went on to write
many successful books after that.
811
00:52:20,512 --> 00:52:26,435
But the criticisms throughout
the '70s felt I think to her quite, um…
812
00:52:27,353 --> 00:52:28,354
Quite difficult.
813
00:52:28,687 --> 00:52:31,857
You realized that you could write a book
that had a lot of sex in it,
814
00:52:31,940 --> 00:52:34,735
that was very upfront about these things
and that people would buy it.
815
00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:35,986
Now, that was no accident.
816
00:52:36,070 --> 00:52:37,237
[Jackie] I have to stop you there
817
00:52:37,321 --> 00:52:39,281
because I've never written
for commercial reasons.
818
00:52:39,365 --> 00:52:44,328
Because I'm a woman writing this kind of--
They call it racy, raunchy literature,
819
00:52:44,411 --> 00:52:46,080
this shocks a lot of people.
820
00:52:46,205 --> 00:52:47,831
God forbid a woman should be writing
821
00:52:47,915 --> 00:52:51,377
about sex the way
that men are writing about sex.
822
00:52:51,502 --> 00:52:53,253
-[man] Have a little taste, Jackie.
-Probably will.
823
00:52:53,337 --> 00:52:54,380
-Of the wine?
-[man] Sure.
824
00:52:54,505 --> 00:52:58,008
-Yes, thank you.
-Do you still have the herpes, McLeane?
825
00:52:58,092 --> 00:52:59,718
[audience laughing]
826
00:53:00,636 --> 00:53:03,305
I would think, people always ask me
where I get all the characters from,
827
00:53:03,389 --> 00:53:04,932
well, here they are,
sitting all around me.
828
00:53:06,058 --> 00:53:08,102
[Tiffany] These men
didn't get called out on it.
829
00:53:09,228 --> 00:53:11,980
So it was a real double standard
that was really unfair.
830
00:53:14,024 --> 00:53:16,527
[Jackie] I had to get up at 6:00,
take the kids to school,
831
00:53:16,610 --> 00:53:18,487
make their lunch and I would be writing
832
00:53:18,696 --> 00:53:21,615
on my way to meet them
after school at every stop light.
833
00:53:23,117 --> 00:53:25,327
But to take a case like,
say, Jackie Collins, for example,
834
00:53:25,411 --> 00:53:27,246
now, there's no mastery of anything here.
835
00:53:27,329 --> 00:53:30,791
So, really the thing is just something
to decorate an airport bookstore.
836
00:53:31,083 --> 00:53:34,044
Jackie Collins is never going to become
classic no matter how long you wait.
837
00:53:34,128 --> 00:53:35,421
That's what I find interesting with that.
838
00:53:35,504 --> 00:53:37,965
It starts off as nothing
and ends up as nothing.
839
00:53:38,048 --> 00:53:41,218
Now as a woman in my fifties,
I get so many women
840
00:53:41,301 --> 00:53:42,803
who were teenagers at the same time
841
00:53:42,886 --> 00:53:46,390
I was a teenager saying, "Oh, my God,
your mom taught me everything about sex,"
842
00:53:46,473 --> 00:53:47,683
and I was like, "Oh, really?"
843
00:53:48,058 --> 00:53:52,479
Well, great, because she wrote
great sex in great books.
844
00:53:53,689 --> 00:53:56,024
[Jackie] And I'm not claiming
to be a great literary genius,
845
00:53:56,108 --> 00:53:58,277
I'm claiming to be a terrific storyteller.
846
00:53:58,902 --> 00:54:01,196
And so I would say that the people
who criticize me the most
847
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,282
are the ones who've never read me.
848
00:54:08,412 --> 00:54:09,580
[Tiffany] It hurt her.
849
00:54:10,956 --> 00:54:15,335
[Tracy] She was like, "I'm going to go out
there and make sure I protect myself."
850
00:54:23,469 --> 00:54:24,887
[audience applauding]
851
00:54:27,806 --> 00:54:30,392
She had to find an image…
852
00:54:30,476 --> 00:54:32,352
[man speaking indistinctly]
853
00:54:32,436 --> 00:54:34,354
…almost like a shield.
854
00:54:34,521 --> 00:54:36,398
[man] …successful novelist,
Jackie Collins.
855
00:54:37,816 --> 00:54:41,069
It was the hair pieces, it was the makeup.
856
00:54:41,153 --> 00:54:45,616
-It was the big hair before big hair.
-And you know the tie and the suit.
857
00:54:45,783 --> 00:54:49,119
-And the shoulders.
-And then fabulous jewels.
858
00:54:49,203 --> 00:54:51,413
Big yay earrings.
859
00:54:51,497 --> 00:54:53,457
[man] For those of you
who haven't read this latest…
860
00:54:53,791 --> 00:54:56,168
[Jeffrey] I mean, she became
the representative
861
00:54:56,251 --> 00:54:58,921
of the characters in her book.
862
00:55:00,839 --> 00:55:04,009
With cleavage
and jewels and looking gorgeous.
863
00:55:04,092 --> 00:55:06,553
And it was always quite startling.
864
00:55:08,806 --> 00:55:12,309
[Hazel] And she added the leopard print,
leopard print wasn't vogue.
865
00:55:13,435 --> 00:55:16,313
-[Laura] It was sort of a suit of armor.
-[audience applauding]
866
00:55:17,898 --> 00:55:23,320
{\an8}She got joy out of the sparkle,
but also felt somehow protected by it.
867
00:55:26,824 --> 00:55:29,701
[Joan] She phoned me up, I was in America.
868
00:55:31,286 --> 00:55:36,542
And I was extolling
the virtues of Los Angeles life to her.
869
00:55:37,584 --> 00:55:42,506
Her books had been really successful
in England, but not in America.
870
00:55:43,131 --> 00:55:47,177
And I said, "The only way to break into
America was to go and live in America."
871
00:55:49,012 --> 00:55:52,432
Oscar used to get a bit nervous at times,
his hands would shake.
872
00:55:52,558 --> 00:55:56,520
He said, "She wants us
to uproot and go to LA,
873
00:55:56,645 --> 00:55:58,689
because she thinks
she can make it there with the books."
874
00:56:01,108 --> 00:56:02,526
["Kids in America" playing]
875
00:56:02,734 --> 00:56:05,487
♪ Looking out a dirty old window ♪
876
00:56:05,737 --> 00:56:09,616
♪ Down below the cars
In the city go rushing by… ♪
877
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:14,872
[Joan] So they picked up three children,
two dogs and they moved to America.
878
00:56:17,583 --> 00:56:21,712
♪ Friday night and everyone's moving
I can feel the heat… ♪
879
00:56:21,795 --> 00:56:23,714
[Tracy] She just had a sort of wanderlust.
880
00:56:23,797 --> 00:56:27,718
♪ Heading down I search
For the beat in this dirty town… ♪
881
00:56:28,093 --> 00:56:30,971
[Tracy] She was going
to do what she needed to do.
882
00:56:31,054 --> 00:56:32,389
♪ Young ones are growing ♪
883
00:56:32,806 --> 00:56:37,436
♪ We're the kids in America
We're the kids in America… ♪
884
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:39,688
[Tracy] She was going
to write that seminal book.
885
00:56:40,439 --> 00:56:43,525
She has over 16 million books in print
886
00:56:43,609 --> 00:56:45,736
and it took just two weeks
for her latest novel, Lucky,
887
00:56:45,903 --> 00:56:47,738
to become number one
on the best seller list,
888
00:56:47,821 --> 00:56:49,781
and she's joining us
from Los Angeles this morning,
889
00:56:49,865 --> 00:56:51,116
Good morning, nice to see you.
890
00:56:51,241 --> 00:56:52,993
Good morning, Joan, nice to see you too.
891
00:56:54,745 --> 00:56:57,998
[Rory] Mom always used to say,
"Lucky is who every woman wants to be."
892
00:56:58,081 --> 00:57:01,793
And I used to think, "Well, no actually,
Lucky is exactly who you want to be."
893
00:57:01,877 --> 00:57:05,255
But I think so many women
actually did relate to her.
894
00:57:05,339 --> 00:57:07,799
[Jackie] "Lucky Santangelo stood out
as she strode bristly
895
00:57:07,883 --> 00:57:09,384
through the crowd at the casino."
896
00:57:09,801 --> 00:57:14,848
"She was a strikingly beautiful woman
of 28 with an unruly mass of jet curls,
897
00:57:14,932 --> 00:57:17,851
black gypsy eyes, a wide sensual mouth…"
898
00:57:17,935 --> 00:57:20,604
You also have a mini-series that's going
to air, what, next week on NBC?
899
00:57:21,021 --> 00:57:24,316
Yes, three nights, six hours.
I wrote it myself and I co-produced it.
900
00:57:25,734 --> 00:57:28,403
"'I want to get laid,'
she thought, 'I need to.'"
901
00:57:29,655 --> 00:57:31,657
"It couldn't be just anybody,
902
00:57:32,282 --> 00:57:34,826
there had to be
a certain sexual chemistry."
903
00:57:36,954 --> 00:57:39,623
I've created some very strong heroines
over the years,
904
00:57:39,706 --> 00:57:42,209
and the strongest
of course is Lucky Santangelo.
905
00:57:43,085 --> 00:57:44,461
You bastard.
906
00:57:45,963 --> 00:57:49,132
[Jackie] When I'm writing Lucky,
I become Lucky.
907
00:57:50,008 --> 00:57:53,553
-How did you manage it?
-When I say I can do something, I deliver.
908
00:57:54,137 --> 00:57:58,767
[Rory] Lucky Santangelo was,
you know, really strident and really bold
909
00:57:58,850 --> 00:58:01,144
and really sexy and really empowered.
910
00:58:01,937 --> 00:58:03,105
[man] Looking good.
911
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:06,233
Who, me?
912
00:58:06,316 --> 00:58:08,485
-[man] You always look good, Lucky.
-I do?
913
00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:14,032
{\an8}[man] Okay, here we go,
914
00:58:14,157 --> 00:58:16,785
[speaking foreign language]
915
00:58:16,868 --> 00:58:19,788
On TV One tonight, I'm Jackie Collins.
916
00:58:19,871 --> 00:58:21,665
[announcer] Jackie Collins, best seller…
917
00:58:21,790 --> 00:58:22,749
{\an8}[speaking foreign language]
918
00:58:22,916 --> 00:58:25,961
{\an8}When you get to America,
you now open the door.
919
00:58:26,044 --> 00:58:28,797
Jackie was in, like,
I can't remember the number of countries.
920
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,592
Her books were translated
in, like, 30, 40 languages.
921
00:58:32,718 --> 00:58:35,512
[speaking French]
922
00:58:35,595 --> 00:58:38,015
-Jackie Collins.
-[audience applauding]
923
00:58:38,265 --> 00:58:42,436
[Morton] The amazing thing is, she writes
what looks like an American story
924
00:58:43,353 --> 00:58:46,773
and we find interest in Czechoslovakia.
925
00:58:47,149 --> 00:58:50,777
In Israel, in African countries.
926
00:58:50,861 --> 00:58:55,115
-Tell us, what are you doing in Hong Kong?
-I'm doing some careful research here.
927
00:58:55,574 --> 00:58:58,452
Um, I would very much like
to set some scenes in Hong Kong.
928
00:58:58,535 --> 00:59:00,829
[woman speaking French]
929
00:59:00,996 --> 00:59:01,913
[Melody] People loved her.
930
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,333
Any country she showed up in,
they wanted to get her to autograph them
931
00:59:05,417 --> 00:59:07,335
or, "My mother likes your books."
932
00:59:07,419 --> 00:59:09,588
Or, "My daughter loved your books,"
you know.
933
00:59:09,671 --> 00:59:12,799
-[man] Do you believe it? They found her.
-[indistinct chatter]
934
00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:19,973
[speaking French]
935
00:59:21,058 --> 00:59:23,643
…is doing very nicely in France…
936
00:59:23,727 --> 00:59:26,646
[Melody] That's what Jackie
created by coming to America.
937
00:59:27,397 --> 00:59:28,732
An international name.
938
00:59:29,232 --> 00:59:32,235
Here we are in Paris, the Plaza…
939
00:59:32,402 --> 00:59:35,280
Oscar was like, "Yeah, let's do it."
940
00:59:35,447 --> 00:59:37,282
"If that's what you want to do,
let's do it."
941
00:59:37,616 --> 00:59:41,286
Welcome to Paris, Jackie Collins. Hey!
942
00:59:42,454 --> 00:59:44,122
[Laura] He was her rock,
943
00:59:44,956 --> 00:59:48,752
and I think he was very instrumental
in her success,
944
00:59:48,835 --> 00:59:51,379
because of having somebody
like Oscar behind her.
945
00:59:51,505 --> 00:59:53,632
[woman] How was
the necking scene this morning?
946
00:59:53,715 --> 00:59:57,302
I don't need to even comment on that
if you look at this spot here on my dress.
947
00:59:57,928 --> 00:59:59,763
{\an8}-Press the red. Press the red.
-[woman] No.
948
00:59:59,846 --> 01:00:03,391
{\an8}[Jackie] "Suddenly a hand gripped her
by the arm, it was Lenny Golden."
949
01:00:04,976 --> 01:00:07,562
"'You're just the man I'm looking for,'"
she said.
950
01:00:08,355 --> 01:00:10,315
[indistinct chatter]
951
01:00:12,275 --> 01:00:15,862
-[Jackie] What is today, Oscar?
-Today is the happiest day of my life.
952
01:00:16,571 --> 01:00:18,740
Twenty-one years ago, I got married.
953
01:00:19,616 --> 01:00:20,617
[grunts]
954
01:00:24,204 --> 01:00:28,083
[Morton] I used to call Oscar
and I would say, "How are you, Oscar?"
955
01:00:28,375 --> 01:00:32,546
And he would say, "Listen, Mort,
it's 80 degrees, the sun is shining."
956
01:00:32,671 --> 01:00:35,132
"I'm sitting by the pool
in my bathing suit."
957
01:00:35,340 --> 01:00:36,591
"How-- What could be better?"
958
01:00:37,425 --> 01:00:38,552
[Jackie] Hi, Oscar.
959
01:00:38,635 --> 01:00:42,597
[Rory] They were just such a perfect team
together, they just worked really well.
960
01:00:43,306 --> 01:00:47,185
Lots of laughing and love
and confiding in each other.
961
01:00:47,269 --> 01:00:49,980
[Jackie] Okay, I'm going out in New York.
962
01:00:50,188 --> 01:00:52,566
And we're going to buy some art,
come on, let's go.
963
01:00:52,649 --> 01:00:53,859
[Oscar] Then we can have lunch.
964
01:00:53,984 --> 01:00:56,486
Oh, I might have lunch
at the Four Seasons.
965
01:00:58,572 --> 01:00:59,739
[Rory] He was so proud of her.
966
01:00:59,823 --> 01:01:03,869
He was so proud of who she had become
and how she was managing that success.
967
01:01:04,452 --> 01:01:05,954
[indistinct chatter]
968
01:01:06,037 --> 01:01:09,207
[Joan] He was so important in her life.
969
01:01:09,583 --> 01:01:15,380
He was the family man,
he was her mentor, he was her lover.
970
01:01:17,174 --> 01:01:19,509
[Laura] I would come to the house,
meet them at the house and then go
971
01:01:19,593 --> 01:01:21,595
with them with wherever we were going.
972
01:01:22,220 --> 01:01:26,099
And every single time
he would walk to the bottom of the stairs
973
01:01:26,558 --> 01:01:29,728
and she would say, "Okay, I'm ready,"
and she would be at the top of the…
974
01:01:29,853 --> 01:01:32,022
…stairs and he would just look at her
and he'd be like,
975
01:01:32,147 --> 01:01:33,607
"You are so beautiful. Look…"
976
01:01:33,732 --> 01:01:36,526
"…how gorgeous your mother looks,
absolutely gorgeous."
977
01:01:36,818 --> 01:01:38,445
-Every…
-…single time.
978
01:01:38,528 --> 01:01:41,198
Whatever she wore, because he adored her.
979
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:44,618
-[Oscar talking indistinctly]
-Bye, Oscar.
980
01:01:44,701 --> 01:01:46,620
-[laughing]
-[indistinct chatter]
981
01:01:46,703 --> 01:01:49,039
[Oscar] Doesn't she look just beautiful,
my God.
982
01:01:50,957 --> 01:01:53,585
-[soft music playing]
-[insects chirping]
983
01:01:57,297 --> 01:02:00,675
You know, in any family,
there's always going to be
984
01:02:00,759 --> 01:02:03,345
you know, a little bit of nibbling
and so on and…
985
01:02:03,511 --> 01:02:05,055
[scoffs] …so what?
986
01:02:05,138 --> 01:02:09,559
You know, sibling rivalry,
it spurs you on.
987
01:02:10,936 --> 01:02:17,400
I mean, it's very simple,
you know, Joan was a big Hollywood star,
988
01:02:17,817 --> 01:02:20,153
um, and Jackie was a writer.
989
01:02:20,237 --> 01:02:22,530
{\an8}You're finished,
you've lost everything.
990
01:02:22,614 --> 01:02:24,741
{\an8}And I now own this house.
991
01:02:24,824 --> 01:02:29,329
{\an8}-This house, are you insane?
-Oh, no. I'm perfectly sane.
992
01:02:29,412 --> 01:02:35,126
So take this junk and your blonde tramp
and get out of my home.
993
01:02:35,210 --> 01:02:36,878
-[wind blowing]
-[laughing]
994
01:02:36,962 --> 01:02:40,006
She likes to call herself
a female Harold Robbins
995
01:02:40,090 --> 01:02:41,758
or the Harold Robbins for women.
996
01:02:42,050 --> 01:02:45,262
Some people call her admiringly
the queen of flash and trash
997
01:02:45,345 --> 01:02:48,014
and she joins us this morning, and we're
lucky to have you, Joan Collins, welcome.
998
01:02:48,431 --> 01:02:49,933
-[Jackie] It's Jackie.
-[host] Jackie…
999
01:02:50,016 --> 01:02:51,726
-[laughs] Joan is…
-[host] Joan was here last week.
1000
01:02:51,810 --> 01:02:52,978
Joan was here last week.
1001
01:02:53,103 --> 01:02:57,774
And then Jackie comes into Hollywood
and becomes the queen of Hollywood.
1002
01:02:58,191 --> 01:02:59,818
Can't be easy for Joan either.
1003
01:03:01,069 --> 01:03:03,905
It is often stated that you
and your sister, Joan Collins,
1004
01:03:03,989 --> 01:03:06,241
-the prominent actress from Dynasty…
-Yeah. Right.
1005
01:03:06,741 --> 01:03:07,993
…don't get along and are feuding.
1006
01:03:08,076 --> 01:03:09,619
In fact, we've had it said here
on this program--
1007
01:03:09,703 --> 01:03:12,414
Yeah, I want to talk to you about that.
[laughs]
1008
01:03:12,497 --> 01:03:17,794
-But we're the best of friends.
-I had a couple of relationships,
1009
01:03:18,295 --> 01:03:21,339
a marriage and a long-- And a boyfriend
1010
01:03:21,506 --> 01:03:25,135
that Jackie loathed both of them
and they both loathed her.
1011
01:03:25,635 --> 01:03:27,220
So it was kind of difficult.
1012
01:03:27,762 --> 01:03:28,805
[indistinct chatter]
1013
01:03:28,888 --> 01:03:33,268
We saw each other,
but it was slightly cool.
1014
01:03:35,812 --> 01:03:42,360
And then, when I got offered
two million dollars to write two books,
1015
01:03:43,361 --> 01:03:44,863
you know, you don't turn that down.
1016
01:03:45,196 --> 01:03:47,782
[Larry] Prime Time,
published by Simon and Schuster.
1017
01:03:48,033 --> 01:03:51,077
Why a novel?
I thought your sister owns fiction.
1018
01:03:51,202 --> 01:03:54,748
Well, yes, she did, but I think
there's possibly room for both of us.
1019
01:03:54,831 --> 01:03:56,249
I started writing this…
1020
01:03:56,333 --> 01:03:59,836
She would say, "Oh, my sister,
my God, she's looking for something."
1021
01:03:59,919 --> 01:04:01,963
"She's writing a book now,
for God's sake."
1022
01:04:02,297 --> 01:04:04,257
[Larry] How good
a storyteller do you think she is?
1023
01:04:04,341 --> 01:04:07,385
I've no idea, Larry, I'm going to discover
along with everybody else.
1024
01:04:08,386 --> 01:04:10,764
Are you excited about--
How do you feel about that?
1025
01:04:11,264 --> 01:04:12,265
Oh, fine.
1026
01:04:13,391 --> 01:04:19,272
She said,
"How would Joan like it if I got a job in…
1027
01:04:20,190 --> 01:04:21,983
a television series.
1028
01:04:22,067 --> 01:04:25,236
So I think Jackie felt that writing
was her territory,
1029
01:04:25,362 --> 01:04:29,366
it's where she
became successful and made her name.
1030
01:04:29,699 --> 01:04:34,579
And, um,
she worked tirelessly at being Jackie.
1031
01:04:36,414 --> 01:04:40,960
I don't think she ever said, "Well,
not today, I'm too tired," you know.
1032
01:04:41,044 --> 01:04:44,923
They're so different, the two sisters.
1033
01:04:46,716 --> 01:04:48,927
And don't forget I came
from the fashion world,
1034
01:04:49,427 --> 01:04:51,137
and so I'm accustomed to bitches.
1035
01:04:51,304 --> 01:04:54,224
There's always a certain amount of, um…
1036
01:04:55,892 --> 01:04:58,311
you know, "Maybe you
are stepping on my territory,"
1037
01:04:58,395 --> 01:05:00,063
but it's certainly not intentional.
1038
01:05:00,188 --> 01:05:02,565
Joan got a lot of money from non-books.
1039
01:05:03,483 --> 01:05:06,486
There was a big issue as to whether
she'd written and published her own book,
1040
01:05:06,611 --> 01:05:09,739
which I think Jackie
was very secretly happy about.
1041
01:05:12,283 --> 01:05:15,870
So, you know, sisters are sisters,
I mean, siblings are siblings.
1042
01:05:16,704 --> 01:05:19,457
She didn't like it, but I don't think--
1043
01:05:19,582 --> 01:05:22,001
She never used the word "betrayal"
and I'm not sure that's the right word
1044
01:05:22,085 --> 01:05:24,087
and I can't think
of the right word to use.
1045
01:05:24,963 --> 01:05:28,591
She dealt with it the way
that she knew best, you know.
1046
01:05:30,844 --> 01:05:33,847
[Jackie] "Abigail and Primrose were
as unalike as two sisters could be."
1047
01:05:33,930 --> 01:05:35,640
"They couldn't stand each other."
1048
01:05:35,723 --> 01:05:39,561
"Abigail was pushy and grasping,
she loved entertaining and big parties."
1049
01:05:39,686 --> 01:05:41,312
"A true Hollywood princess."
1050
01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:46,693
"Primrose, the younger
and prettier of the two
1051
01:05:46,943 --> 01:05:49,988
had opted for a different kind of life
where she was able to raise her children
1052
01:05:50,071 --> 01:05:52,532
in what she considered
a more real atmosphere."
1053
01:05:54,284 --> 01:05:55,994
"Who knew that they
were destined to become
1054
01:05:56,077 --> 01:05:58,538
two of the most powerful women
in Hollywood."
1055
01:06:01,332 --> 01:06:04,627
[Tracy] Whatever she felt in private
she just kept to herself.
1056
01:06:06,921 --> 01:06:11,759
{\an8}Everything that she stood
for was magical and wonderful and sparkly.
1057
01:06:13,303 --> 01:06:15,847
{\an8}But real life does go on.
1058
01:06:23,271 --> 01:06:24,981
{\an8}[Jackie] And here we have…
1059
01:06:26,733 --> 01:06:29,027
[TV playing indistinctly]
1060
01:06:31,404 --> 01:06:35,074
[Tiffany] We'd been here
about six or seven years
1061
01:06:35,366 --> 01:06:38,703
when our dad
was diagnosed with prostate cancer.
1062
01:06:40,788 --> 01:06:44,125
I think it just came out of nowhere,
I think everybody was sort of shocked
1063
01:06:44,209 --> 01:06:49,589
and, well, they didn't really tell
anybody that he was sick and, um…
1064
01:06:50,089 --> 01:06:52,550
It was just-- It was very sad,
they weren't expecting it.
1065
01:06:52,634 --> 01:06:56,137
It was in the late '80s,
she was at the height of her fame
1066
01:06:56,596 --> 01:06:59,516
and I think it was hard for all of us.
1067
01:07:01,267 --> 01:07:05,355
[Laura] I think in many ways
she didn't know how to cope with it.
1068
01:07:07,357 --> 01:07:12,195
She just thought if she carried on
with her life, it just wasn't there.
1069
01:07:13,988 --> 01:07:15,865
And they decided to build a new home.
1070
01:07:15,949 --> 01:07:17,283
[Jackie] The new house.
1071
01:07:19,536 --> 01:07:21,579
[Tracy] The whole time
that he was living with cancer,
1072
01:07:21,663 --> 01:07:23,414
he was working on this project.
1073
01:07:23,581 --> 01:07:24,874
-[indistinct chatter]
-[laughing]
1074
01:07:24,958 --> 01:07:27,877
He was very focused
on creating this house.
1075
01:07:27,961 --> 01:07:30,588
He was working with the architects,
he was going to the site.
1076
01:07:33,758 --> 01:07:40,515
[Barbara] He was just so intent on getting
that house finished for Jackie.
1077
01:07:40,598 --> 01:07:42,475
[somber music playing]
1078
01:07:46,271 --> 01:07:48,982
[Tiffany] The thing is, with my dad,
he didn't want to go anywhere,
1079
01:07:49,065 --> 01:07:51,693
so it was really hard
for him because… [sniffing]
1080
01:07:51,776 --> 01:07:54,445
…he didn't want to leave us
and he didn't want to leave her
1081
01:07:54,529 --> 01:07:58,992
and he just didn't want to go anywhere,
so it was just difficult.
1082
01:07:59,117 --> 01:08:00,785
[Oscar] Jackie,
let me take a picture of you.
1083
01:08:00,868 --> 01:08:02,412
[Jackie] No, no, no.
1084
01:08:02,495 --> 01:08:04,163
-Come on, give me the camera.
-[Jackie] No.
1085
01:08:06,291 --> 01:08:09,335
[Tiffany] So they planned out every
element of this home.
1086
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,798
It was quite beautiful,
it was sort of almost museum-like.
1087
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,221
That was her fantasy.
1088
01:08:21,306 --> 01:08:24,684
You know, it was like
he had created it for her.
1089
01:08:24,767 --> 01:08:26,102
[indistinct chatter]
1090
01:08:28,146 --> 01:08:30,023
It was literally just ready.
1091
01:08:31,733 --> 01:08:34,277
But, you know, there came
a point where he was actually too weak.
1092
01:08:37,614 --> 01:08:39,866
Dad died before they could move in.
1093
01:08:48,374 --> 01:08:49,584
[birds chirping]
1094
01:08:50,126 --> 01:08:54,714
The phone rang in the morning
and it was Jackie and she said…
1095
01:08:55,256 --> 01:08:58,926
And she was sobbing,
and she said, "Oscar is gone."
1096
01:08:59,594 --> 01:09:01,220
And I started sobbing too.
1097
01:09:06,476 --> 01:09:08,603
[Tracy] She really
didn't deal with it very well.
1098
01:09:12,190 --> 01:09:16,694
She just retreated pretty much
to staying in her study and writing.
1099
01:09:16,778 --> 01:09:18,112
[hums]
1100
01:09:21,407 --> 01:09:24,160
-[clears throat]
-[Laura] Jackie, um…
1101
01:09:25,995 --> 01:09:27,872
sort of pulled up the drawbridge.
1102
01:09:30,375 --> 01:09:33,002
She was not going to shed any tears.
1103
01:09:39,217 --> 01:09:41,010
[somber music playing]
1104
01:09:44,847 --> 01:09:48,476
She couldn't do that,
once the facade would crack,
1105
01:09:49,394 --> 01:09:51,562
you know, it unleashes the floodgates.
1106
01:09:55,358 --> 01:09:58,945
She only continued
to be the Jackie she created.
1107
01:10:01,030 --> 01:10:03,157
Good morning, Nick.
Good morning, Maryanne.
1108
01:10:04,826 --> 01:10:06,452
[somber music playing]
1109
01:10:12,250 --> 01:10:15,837
[Rory] She had learned
how to survive, and for her…
1110
01:10:18,589 --> 01:10:21,426
what was always there for her,
you know, was Jackie Collins.
1111
01:10:21,509 --> 01:10:23,052
[audience applauding]
1112
01:10:25,012 --> 01:10:26,931
How are you coping with Oscar's death?
1113
01:10:27,515 --> 01:10:29,934
Well, you know,
I think that when somebody dies, you--
1114
01:10:30,059 --> 01:10:32,103
You have your grieving time,
1115
01:10:32,186 --> 01:10:34,856
and then you have
to seize your life again.
1116
01:10:34,939 --> 01:10:36,482
[host] How long does
the grieving time last?
1117
01:10:37,066 --> 01:10:40,111
Everybody is different, you know,
some people will take much longer.
1118
01:10:40,361 --> 01:10:41,904
Is it difficult for you to carry on?
1119
01:10:41,988 --> 01:10:44,615
Well, you know,
when somebody is sick for a long time,
1120
01:10:44,699 --> 01:10:48,119
you learn to accept the inevitable.
You know it's going to happen.
1121
01:10:48,995 --> 01:10:52,373
[Melody] Times were changing
and her books were selling,
1122
01:10:52,623 --> 01:10:56,627
not at the rate of Hollywood Wives,
I can't deny that,
1123
01:10:56,794 --> 01:10:59,130
but they still are out there.
1124
01:11:02,383 --> 01:11:04,802
It's just that we changed as a world.
1125
01:11:05,845 --> 01:11:08,639
Because I knew
I was coming on your program today…
1126
01:11:08,723 --> 01:11:10,892
-[Jackie] Yes.
-…I bought a book yesterday
1127
01:11:10,975 --> 01:11:13,603
and I read the first paragraph
1128
01:11:13,811 --> 01:11:17,273
and I felt I am demeaning myself
reading any further.
1129
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:18,483
What book was it?
1130
01:11:18,566 --> 01:11:20,902
This is called, uh, Lovers and Gamblers.
1131
01:11:21,027 --> 01:11:22,779
Now, is that the only one
of mine you've ever read?
1132
01:11:22,862 --> 01:11:25,156
Well, there is one left in my house once
1133
01:11:25,281 --> 01:11:28,117
and I'm afraid
it was put out for the dust.
1134
01:11:28,201 --> 01:11:30,995
The thing that very much worries me
about your books is the sex
1135
01:11:31,078 --> 01:11:32,747
that your strong women are enjoying,
1136
01:11:32,830 --> 01:11:35,458
which they're enjoying
on a very kind of passive level.
1137
01:11:35,541 --> 01:11:37,710
They're enjoying
being brutalized and dominated,
1138
01:11:37,835 --> 01:11:40,630
-which is very unlike--
-That absolutely, absolutely ridiculous,
1139
01:11:40,713 --> 01:11:44,467
because as a matter of fact in my books
the woman always comes out on top.
1140
01:11:44,592 --> 01:11:47,470
She did try to change with it, she knew.
1141
01:11:47,637 --> 01:11:50,097
-I have read Hollywood Husbands.
-[Jackie] Yes.
1142
01:11:50,181 --> 01:11:53,392
And the beginning,
the first chapter is disgusting.
1143
01:11:53,476 --> 01:11:57,104
I'm not--
Really disgusting, because it's all…
1144
01:11:57,563 --> 01:12:01,108
She was repeating herself a lot,
as you can see even from her titles.
1145
01:12:02,401 --> 01:12:08,491
And I think the public had had as much
of that information as they wanted.
1146
01:12:08,574 --> 01:12:12,620
The problem is that all of these women
that you portray are tough cookies,
1147
01:12:12,703 --> 01:12:14,455
all right, and they do get somewhere.
1148
01:12:14,539 --> 01:12:18,626
My objection is that they're all also
the most beautiful women in the world.
1149
01:12:18,793 --> 01:12:21,254
[woman] Jackie, you're writing
to a formula, and, I mean,
1150
01:12:21,337 --> 01:12:24,590
there must be loads of people turning out
this kind of formulaic stuff,
1151
01:12:24,674 --> 01:12:28,010
trying to get it published.
But I do think that, sorry…
1152
01:12:28,094 --> 01:12:30,805
You know, I do think
that perhaps your name,
1153
01:12:30,888 --> 01:12:34,433
your Hollywood connections etcetera
must have helped you to get published.
1154
01:12:34,559 --> 01:12:36,310
I'm sorry, I think it's utter bilge.
1155
01:12:36,644 --> 01:12:40,523
I mean, this whole idea about having
positive role models for women
1156
01:12:40,606 --> 01:12:42,066
-I think is total crap.
-[Jackie] Yeah.
1157
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:44,318
-[host] Are you a feminist?
-Yeah, of course I am, yes.
1158
01:12:44,402 --> 01:12:45,945
-[host] She's a feminist?
-Yes, of course I am.
1159
01:12:46,028 --> 01:12:49,949
I wouldn't say
that you're a feminist in any way at all.
1160
01:12:50,032 --> 01:12:51,701
She's making millions of dollars…
1161
01:12:51,784 --> 01:12:54,161
-[woman] But sex sells.
-…through abuse.
1162
01:12:54,370 --> 01:13:00,334
[Tracy] Her particular brand of, you know,
feminism was a bit behind the times.
1163
01:13:02,211 --> 01:13:05,840
[Melody] The '90s were hard,
and it was kind of mean.
1164
01:13:06,716 --> 01:13:09,802
You took her, you wanted her,
now you don't want her.
1165
01:13:11,929 --> 01:13:14,015
So she sat down and she wrote.
1166
01:13:16,767 --> 01:13:21,522
But eventually she became completely
confused and lost.
1167
01:13:22,857 --> 01:13:24,734
And it was like she was Lucky.
1168
01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:28,029
She was always Lucky Santangelo.
1169
01:13:29,071 --> 01:13:31,407
And she went on the rides
1170
01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:35,786
and the characters took her
on these trips that were crazy.
1171
01:13:35,870 --> 01:13:37,788
They were just nuts, some of them.
1172
01:13:37,914 --> 01:13:40,666
But they took her
and that's where she ended up.
1173
01:13:42,501 --> 01:13:44,253
[Jackie] "Lucky was deeply depressed."
1174
01:13:46,255 --> 01:13:49,508
"She took a long drive to the desert
for hours, thinking about it."
1175
01:13:50,801 --> 01:13:52,470
"What was she going to do?"
1176
01:13:53,137 --> 01:13:54,680
[slow music playing]
1177
01:13:59,101 --> 01:14:03,397
And then she started,
quite a lot later, I think,
1178
01:14:03,773 --> 01:14:05,066
going out with Frank.
1179
01:14:06,233 --> 01:14:08,611
-[Jackie] Darling, say something nice.
-I love you, J.
1180
01:14:11,238 --> 01:14:14,116
[Rory] Frank was this kind
of like single guy around town,
1181
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,953
he'd never been married,
always had lots of girlfriends.
1182
01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:21,457
He was one of those guys that was always
smoking cigars and playing cards
1183
01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:25,711
with the boys and taking bets
and he basically did what he liked.
1184
01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:30,299
I knew him through relationships
with James Mason's daughter,
1185
01:14:30,883 --> 01:14:35,554
with Joanna Carson,
many different, uh, "girlfriends".
1186
01:14:36,639 --> 01:14:39,308
He was not exactly a gigolo.
1187
01:14:41,978 --> 01:14:45,022
[Jackie] "With great care,
he pushed her down onto the couch."
1188
01:14:46,482 --> 01:14:49,819
"'Get your clothes off, I mean now.'"
1189
01:14:51,070 --> 01:14:54,407
[interviewer] So what was it about Frank
that Jackie was so attracted to?
1190
01:14:56,242 --> 01:14:57,493
Beats me.
1191
01:14:58,661 --> 01:15:00,746
[Jackie] Darling,
would you wait on me hand and foot?
1192
01:15:00,955 --> 01:15:02,164
Absolutely not.
1193
01:15:02,248 --> 01:15:04,250
[Rory] It was a time
when our lives were really moving on,
1194
01:15:04,333 --> 01:15:05,876
so we were distracted.
1195
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,713
And, you known, he was like a character
from one of her books.
1196
01:15:08,796 --> 01:15:12,107
He kind of, you know,
came in and was like a character
1197
01:15:12,188 --> 01:15:13,701
-from one of her books.
-From one of her books
1198
01:15:13,832 --> 01:15:15,052
Literally had sort of stepped out of…
1199
01:15:15,219 --> 01:15:16,095
[all] One of her books.
1200
01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:22,184
[overlapping chatter]
1201
01:15:22,268 --> 01:15:25,771
[Jackie] "There was no getting rid
of him and he pursued her relentlessly."
1202
01:15:26,022 --> 01:15:30,151
"Sterling silver roses every day,
cases of crystal champagne,
1203
01:15:30,234 --> 01:15:31,527
Jars of the best caviar."
1204
01:15:31,610 --> 01:15:33,446
{\an8}-Good morning, Frank
-Good morning, J.
1205
01:15:33,529 --> 01:15:34,488
{\an8}[Jackie] How are you, darling?
1206
01:15:34,572 --> 01:15:36,490
{\an8}-I'm feeling wonderful.
-[Jackie] Good.
1207
01:15:36,574 --> 01:15:38,993
{\an8}It's a beautiful day
in Albany this morning.
1208
01:15:39,994 --> 01:15:43,956
And I just arrived
and everyone is having breakfast.
1209
01:15:44,874 --> 01:15:45,916
And I love you, darling.
1210
01:15:46,042 --> 01:15:47,835
I wanted her to be with somebody else,
1211
01:15:48,127 --> 01:15:50,046
I didn't necessarily want her
to be with Frank.
1212
01:15:50,129 --> 01:15:53,007
You know, he was nice,
he was very charming,
1213
01:15:53,090 --> 01:15:56,510
but I didn't like him.
1214
01:15:56,969 --> 01:16:02,933
And he was the first man that I'd seen her
be with or involved with who I felt…
1215
01:16:04,518 --> 01:16:08,064
you know, didn't feel wholly comfortable
with her success.
1216
01:16:08,147 --> 01:16:09,398
[indistinct chatter]
1217
01:16:18,157 --> 01:16:21,243
[sighs] You want me
to answer what was Frank like.
1218
01:16:22,203 --> 01:16:24,580
-Isn't that what you want?
-[interviewer] Yes.
1219
01:16:24,914 --> 01:16:27,166
-[birds singing]
-[wind blowing]
1220
01:16:31,128 --> 01:16:36,342
Well, he was a gambler, a drugger,
an alcoholic, and an abuser.
1221
01:16:37,927 --> 01:16:40,054
That pretty much tells you.
1222
01:16:40,137 --> 01:16:41,430
[Jackie] All right, darlings.
1223
01:16:41,514 --> 01:16:45,101
Here we are at the wonderful,
beautiful Colombe d'Or
1224
01:16:45,601 --> 01:16:49,021
-and we're having a wonderful time.
-[Jackie] Okay, Frank, cut to the chase.
1225
01:16:49,105 --> 01:16:51,065
-[all laughing]
-What else do you want me to say?
1226
01:16:51,148 --> 01:16:53,567
-Come on. Slowly, slowly.
-[Jackie] Oh, slowly. I'm sorry.
1227
01:16:53,734 --> 01:16:58,072
If Frank felt slighted in any way,
he would just…
1228
01:16:59,365 --> 01:17:00,491
go berserk.
1229
01:17:00,574 --> 01:17:02,159
[music playing over stereo]
1230
01:17:02,368 --> 01:17:04,662
This out of control rage.
1231
01:17:05,329 --> 01:17:07,832
And with it all,
he could be quite charming.
1232
01:17:08,582 --> 01:17:10,626
That's always the trap, isn't it?
1233
01:17:13,045 --> 01:17:17,174
There was a tremendous amount
of shouting and he did become,
1234
01:17:17,383 --> 01:17:19,426
um, extremely controlling.
1235
01:17:20,094 --> 01:17:21,303
Jackelina.
1236
01:17:21,846 --> 01:17:25,683
[Joan] He would lash out
at her in a furious temper.
1237
01:17:26,225 --> 01:17:31,689
And she put up with it because,
I think, maybe she felt guilty?
1238
01:17:31,772 --> 01:17:34,984
Why does one put up with anything,
you know, women put up with a lot.
1239
01:17:35,526 --> 01:17:36,652
[Jackie] Okay.
1240
01:17:37,361 --> 01:17:39,488
[humming] Tell me if I walk into the sea.
1241
01:17:39,572 --> 01:17:42,116
Jackie, you're about ready
to walk into the ocean.
1242
01:17:43,242 --> 01:17:44,743
[Jackie] Did we have a nice dinner?
1243
01:17:46,996 --> 01:17:53,419
That this woman who wrote about power
and strength and strong women
1244
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:55,754
could get involved with this man,
1245
01:17:56,380 --> 01:18:01,218
it's very difficult for people
who love Jackie to watch this.
1246
01:18:01,302 --> 01:18:03,470
-[indistinct chatter]
-[Frank] Okay, we're recording.
1247
01:18:03,554 --> 01:18:07,808
-[Tita] I mean, I just don't get it.
-[Frank] Jackie, all right, say something.
1248
01:18:08,142 --> 01:18:11,937
This is Kir Royale, we're in the south
of France, we are at the…
1249
01:18:12,021 --> 01:18:14,607
-We have made pests of ourselves already.
-[Frank laughing]
1250
01:18:14,690 --> 01:18:17,985
-We've made pests of ourselves already.
-Here, here!
1251
01:18:19,862 --> 01:18:22,615
[Tracy] You can be as strong as you like,
you can have this amazing career,
1252
01:18:22,698 --> 01:18:25,868
you can have earned as much money
as you could ever have wanted
1253
01:18:25,951 --> 01:18:28,078
and have a great family
and everything going for you.
1254
01:18:28,162 --> 01:18:30,331
[Frank laughing]
Roger, you’re terrific.
1255
01:18:30,497 --> 01:18:33,542
But, you know you can be 60 or 70,
and still fall for somebody,
1256
01:18:33,626 --> 01:18:38,130
because somehow you think
you're going to maybe replicate something
1257
01:18:38,214 --> 01:18:41,800
that happened in your early years
and get a different outcome.
1258
01:18:41,884 --> 01:18:43,594
[somber music playing]
1259
01:18:52,561 --> 01:18:54,521
[Tiffany] It got bad when he got sick.
1260
01:18:55,731 --> 01:18:59,151
That's when the tides turned
that he was mad at-- It was everybody.
1261
01:18:59,235 --> 01:19:01,987
And so I know
that was a particularly tough time.
1262
01:19:03,197 --> 01:19:05,157
[narrator]
"He was furious and despairing."
1263
01:19:05,991 --> 01:19:09,036
"He grabbed my arm and pulled me roughly
out of the doctor’s office."
1264
01:19:10,079 --> 01:19:11,872
"'Frank, what's happened?'"
1265
01:19:12,665 --> 01:19:15,542
"'Lung cancer, inoperable.'"
1266
01:19:15,626 --> 01:19:17,127
[dramatic music playing]
1267
01:19:17,211 --> 01:19:22,174
[Tita] He was furious that she
was writing books while he was ill.
1268
01:19:23,300 --> 01:19:26,595
She would write in her dressing room
in the middle of the night.
1269
01:19:26,679 --> 01:19:29,098
She would get up
when Frank was asleep
1270
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,434
and she would write
when he didn't know about it.
1271
01:19:32,518 --> 01:19:34,061
[distant siren wailing]
1272
01:19:36,605 --> 01:19:39,817
We asked Jackie,
"Were there guns in the house?"
1273
01:19:40,776 --> 01:19:43,821
And Jackie said, "Yes,
there had been, but they'd been moved."
1274
01:19:44,071 --> 01:19:46,365
Well, that's not comforting.
1275
01:19:47,866 --> 01:19:49,910
[interviewer] And why
were you worried about guns?
1276
01:19:49,994 --> 01:19:52,079
[Tita] Well, obviously why.
1277
01:19:52,371 --> 01:19:56,208
I mean, why are you afraid
of guns being around?
1278
01:19:56,292 --> 01:19:58,168
You're afraid someone might use them.
1279
01:20:00,212 --> 01:20:04,008
I mean, afraid he'd say, "Well,
if I'm going, you're going with me."
1280
01:20:04,091 --> 01:20:06,135
She lives
in her fantasy house in Beverly Hills
1281
01:20:06,218 --> 01:20:09,346
and has sold more
than 200 million books worldwide.
1282
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:11,598
But Jackie Collins told our Mark Steines,
1283
01:20:11,682 --> 01:20:15,394
that the success means nothing
when compared to the love she lost.
1284
01:20:15,602 --> 01:20:17,438
[tense music playing]
1285
01:20:26,613 --> 01:20:28,032
[drum beating]
1286
01:20:32,453 --> 01:20:34,413
[Jackie] "The funeral was a grand affair."
1287
01:20:34,538 --> 01:20:36,040
[instrumental music playing]
1288
01:20:39,168 --> 01:20:43,380
"He was buried in a solid bronze casket
that cost over 20,000 dollars."
1289
01:20:46,633 --> 01:20:50,596
"Lucky opened her eyes,
it was no good dwelling on the past."
1290
01:20:50,679 --> 01:20:53,349
-[somber music playing]
-"She felt remarkably calm."
1291
01:20:56,393 --> 01:21:02,274
"She smiled wanly and she winked.
A true, ballsy, Lucky Santangelo wink."
1292
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:09,531
[Jennifer] I worked
with Jackie starting in 2008.
1293
01:21:10,366 --> 01:21:12,159
She had made it very clear to me
1294
01:21:12,242 --> 01:21:14,912
that she never wanted
to get married again.
1295
01:21:15,412 --> 01:21:19,917
She didn't want to pick socks off
of her bedroom floor anymore for anyone.
1296
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,753
Or do laundry, or cook. She was done.
1297
01:21:23,045 --> 01:21:24,755
She was fine if someone
who wanted to come over
1298
01:21:24,838 --> 01:21:28,801
and spend the night and then leave.
And that's really where she was at.
1299
01:21:28,884 --> 01:21:30,928
-[indistinct chatter]
-[camera shutters clicking]
1300
01:21:31,053 --> 01:21:32,429
[Jackie] "How does it feel to be back?"
1301
01:21:33,222 --> 01:21:34,473
"Pretty damn good."
1302
01:21:35,682 --> 01:21:39,269
"I have a story to tell you.
I want you to sit down and hear me out."
1303
01:21:43,690 --> 01:21:44,858
She was the boss.
1304
01:21:49,488 --> 01:21:52,199
[Tiffany] She immersed herself
in her work as ever.
1305
01:21:53,534 --> 01:21:57,746
But at that point, she'd been
experiencing this foot pain
1306
01:21:57,830 --> 01:22:01,708
and was having a lot of trouble walking,
like she could not walk.
1307
01:22:02,042 --> 01:22:03,585
And I kept on saying to her,
1308
01:22:03,752 --> 01:22:06,422
"We've got to get you to the doctor,
can we please go to the doctor?"
1309
01:22:06,505 --> 01:22:08,882
She said, "Yes,
I'll go next week, I'll go next week."
1310
01:22:09,049 --> 01:22:11,051
Tiff started saying,
"I've got to try and," you know,
1311
01:22:11,135 --> 01:22:12,428
"we've got to do something about this."
1312
01:22:12,511 --> 01:22:14,027
"We've got to try
and get her to a doctor."
1313
01:22:14,118 --> 01:22:15,722
And she eventually agreed.
1314
01:22:16,181 --> 01:22:19,643
And my mother is sitting next to me,
and I will never forget this,
1315
01:22:19,726 --> 01:22:23,063
I mean, she looked like
a teenager that had been caught.
1316
01:22:23,147 --> 01:22:27,317
She was like, "Tiffany,
you're going to be so mad at me,"
1317
01:22:27,401 --> 01:22:29,987
and I looked at her and I said,
"What? What?"
1318
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:32,948
And she goes, "I've got a lump."
1319
01:22:33,407 --> 01:22:37,244
I said, "Where?"
And she goes, "In my breast."
1320
01:22:37,661 --> 01:22:42,416
And I just remember,
like, my whole world, like, crashing.
1321
01:22:43,250 --> 01:22:44,960
So she'd had a lump and we don't know.
1322
01:22:45,043 --> 01:22:48,338
She says two years and I don't know
if it was longer than that or not,
1323
01:22:48,422 --> 01:22:51,967
but she just hadn't, you know, she just…
1324
01:22:52,468 --> 01:22:55,596
She thought
that she could defy it somehow or another,
1325
01:22:55,679 --> 01:22:57,389
and until it caught up with her.
1326
01:22:57,848 --> 01:23:01,852
So it was, you know, it was just…
1327
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:05,856
[interviewer] Pretty shocking.
1328
01:23:07,024 --> 01:23:08,066
Yeah.
1329
01:23:11,361 --> 01:23:12,613
[somber music playing]
1330
01:23:14,740 --> 01:23:17,075
[Tiffany] She said
she was very sorry that,
1331
01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:18,869
you know,
that she hadn't said anything
1332
01:23:18,952 --> 01:23:24,500
-and she asked us not to tell anybody.
-[indistinct chatter]
1333
01:23:24,583 --> 01:23:26,877
It felt like my father all over again.
1334
01:23:27,377 --> 01:23:29,588
They didn't really tell
anybody that he was sick.
1335
01:23:31,465 --> 01:23:36,136
[Joan] Daddy said, "You're not to mention
that she has got cancer."
1336
01:23:36,220 --> 01:23:38,263
"We don't use that word."
1337
01:23:44,686 --> 01:23:47,689
[Tracy] Because of her past experiences…
1338
01:23:49,399 --> 01:23:52,069
there was that bit
of her that transcended
1339
01:23:53,654 --> 01:23:56,198
what she may have been concerned about.
1340
01:23:57,407 --> 01:23:59,701
You know,
things had been so tough before this.
1341
01:24:01,453 --> 01:24:03,997
And I think her,
sort of, traumatic experiences
1342
01:24:04,081 --> 01:24:05,999
kept coming back in to play.
1343
01:24:06,500 --> 01:24:07,376
I love you.
1344
01:24:15,217 --> 01:24:17,594
[Tracy] She sort of couldn't write it out,
so she could just say,
1345
01:24:17,678 --> 01:24:21,181
"Right, I'm going to be fabulous,
I'm going to live my life."
1346
01:24:21,265 --> 01:24:24,059
"I don't really want to know
if there's anything wrong with me."
1347
01:24:33,902 --> 01:24:38,949
So, yes, she was vulnerable, um…
1348
01:24:41,493 --> 01:24:47,124
but very much like
her spirit animal of being a cat…
1349
01:24:48,458 --> 01:24:51,336
she clawed her way out of that.
1350
01:24:53,422 --> 01:24:54,673
[upbeat music playing]
1351
01:24:55,382 --> 01:24:58,844
Please welcome the author Jackie Collins.
1352
01:24:58,927 --> 01:25:01,013
[audience applauding, cheering]
1353
01:25:02,848 --> 01:25:03,849
[gasping]
1354
01:25:05,392 --> 01:25:09,146
[Tita] She never stopped smiling,
she never stopped working.
1355
01:25:10,063 --> 01:25:13,650
And I'm so pleased.
Tripped my way onto the set.
1356
01:25:13,734 --> 01:25:14,985
Always like to make an entrance.
1357
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:18,363
It's interesting the choice really
when I look back,
1358
01:25:18,530 --> 01:25:21,950
because then she started
writing Goddess of Vengeance…
1359
01:25:24,119 --> 01:25:27,873
-which is a Lucky Santangelo book.
-[upbeat music playing]
1360
01:25:28,582 --> 01:25:30,876
[narrator] "Sitting at the table
was Lucky Santangelo,
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a dark-haired beauty
and business woman supreme
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who'd experienced her own share
of controversial headlines
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and scandals over the years."
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"'Come on, Lucky,' Ina said,
'Look at everything you've accomplished.'
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'Admit it, you're a goddamn superwoman.'"
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"'No.'"
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"'I'm a woman who took chances
every step of the way.'"
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"'I had to fight for my independence.'"
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"'Believe me, it wasn't easy.'"
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She said,
"I can't just sit here and wait to die."
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She said, "I need to go to London."
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I said, "Okay, we're going."
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She knew it would be her last trip,
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and I think she wanted
to see London one last time.
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[narrator] "Lucky smiled a slow,
dangerous smile."
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"Let the show begin."
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"This could turn out
to be quite interesting."
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[dramatic music playing]
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[Tracy] She was told, you know,
she had two or three weeks left.
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She really needed to come home,
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you know,
she needed to come back to London
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and she needed
to say goodbye to everybody.
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[Joan] We had a, uh, lunch at the hotel,
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and she was there with Laura Lizer.
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And then she said,
"Now, I have to tell you something."
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Um… "I have stage four breast cancer."
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And I said, "That's not possible."
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[Laura] You know, Joan was like,
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"Okay, well, you're okay though,
right, you're okay?"
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And Jackie said, "Yes, I'm okay."
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And when she went into the bathroom
to get something, I said to Laura,
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"Is she okay?"
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And she said,
"Yes, she's fine, she's fine."
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I said, "She doesn't seem fine,
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she seems a little fragile,
a little shaky."
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She said, "She's going to be fine."
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She was hanging on,
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hanging on to every little bit
of strength that she could hang on to
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to live that week in London.
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[indistinct chatter]
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For the first TV show,
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we asked them ahead of time
if they could start with her seated
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and not walk on and sit down.
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[man] And just off
the plane from Hollywood…
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-[woman] It's novelist, Jackie Collins!
-[man] Yeah!
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[audience applauding, cheering]
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Yeah.
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-[man] Lovely to see you again, Jackie.
-[woman] Lovely to have you here.
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Well, it's great to be back,
I love this show, so much fun.
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A few people said, "Jackie looks
a bit weird or a bit thin or a bit odd,"
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but, you know, like, not that well,
but, I mean, she's still, you know…
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whole outfit on, you know,
takes an iron will to get up there
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and do that when you feel as bad as that.
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And Lucky is a really,
you know, kick-ass woman.
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I mean, she's strong,
she's got everything she ever wanted
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and she does it her way.
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And I think we need more books
with women who do it their way,
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who are strong and sexy
and can really control everything,
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-you know, and she does.
-[indistinct chatter]
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[somber music playing]
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In her mind, that was taking
Jackie Collins out for the last time.
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[laughing]
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-[woman 1] That's why I love your books.
-[woman 2] The thing is, I know.
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[woman 3] Talking about the book,
see, I know that you're very good
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-in your research, very meticulous.
-[Jackie] Yes.
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So I need to know, did you check out
all those sexual positions
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-before you wrote the books?
-Absolutely, every one,
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-that's why I'm exhausted.
-[women laughing]
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[somber music playing]
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You know, Jackie, she lived for her work
and she was still working.
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She was doing talk shows
and she was doing what she loved doing.
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So she did what she loved
doing right up to
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the last moment that she possibly could.
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I wrote a book called Rockstar,
and this rockstar told me the real story…
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"This is how I want to be remembered."
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She knew she was going
to pass shortly after that.
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Yeah. And I try to write erotic sex
and humorous sex.
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-[woman] Exactly.
-And great sex.
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I mean, Lucky in the new book,
she has tantric sex.
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[Laura] So all the last pictures of her…
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[heartbeat]
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…her working and promoting a book.
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[romantic music playing]
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Goodbye, stranger.
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Maybe in another life.
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[Tracy] "No goodbyes, no goodbyes,
I'm seeing you all at Christmas."
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[Bill] And off she went
to America with Laura.
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[Barbara] I never knew she was sick.
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And you know what,
I think that was strong…
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and she showed strength
in women and within her.
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It's amazing how much her mind,
that how she could control things
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and how she was so strong mentally
to deal with it the way
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that, you know, she dealt with it, sorry.
[crying]
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It was pretty spectacular,
because she just--
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She got to do everything she wanted to do
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and it was like she knew what was going
to happen when she got home.
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It was like she wrote her ending,
that's what it felt like.
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It was like she wrote her ending.
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[somber music playing]
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[Joan] I was in the south of France then…
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and my cellphone beeped
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and I turned it on.
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And they said, "She's passed."
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I cried everyday for three months.
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I missed her,
I have pictures of her still all over.
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We were so
on the same wavelength with, like,
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things that happened,
with seeing movies or with gossip.
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My sister was amazing.
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She had an incredible life.
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And of course, you know,
it was pretty shattering when she died,
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because she was the rock
that kept our family together.
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[somber music continues]
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[sniffs]
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[Melody] I think being Jackie Collins,
you know, that energetic,
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brilliant persona that everybody saw
is who she loved to be.
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[Tiffany] That became entirely
who she was,
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it wasn't like she was lost in that
or that she was hiding a part of herself,
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but just that is who she was.
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She was Jackie Collins,
and then she was gone.
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[insects chirping]
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[Jackie] "Lucky knew
it was time to leave."
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"She brushed her long jet hair,
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pinning it back on each side
with ebony combs."
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"She had power, she had control,
she had everything she'd always wanted."
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"She drove down
the winding narrow road fast,
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humming softly to herself."
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"Tonight she would be like a queen."
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["Le Fleurs" playing]
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If you only did a documentary
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showing her what she was
showing to everybody, who cares?
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Frankly, who cares?
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The only upside of being old
is that you don't give a damn.
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-[woman laughing]
-It happened, it's my life.
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[Morton] The great storyteller
is rarer than the great writer.
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And Jackie was a great storyteller.
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[Tracy] I think
we're back full circle now with,
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you know, women saying actually
to be women we can be whatever we want.
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We can be really openly sexual if we want.
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She broke ground for all us women.
She really did.
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What would Lucky Santangelo do,
what would Jackie Collins do?
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Channel your Jackie Collins energy.
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What I learned
from her is that I can do anything.
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And I can speak my mind.
And I don't have to hide behind somebody.
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She loved success in women.
She was very iconic in that way.
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[Barbara] Can I tell you something?
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She happened to have been brilliant.
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♪ Ring all the bells sing
And tell the people everywhere ♪
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♪ That the flower has come ♪
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♪ Light up the sky with your prayers
Of gladness and rejoice ♪
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♪ For the darkness is gone ♪
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♪ Throw off your fears
Let your heart beat freely at the sign ♪
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♪ That a new time is born ♪
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♪ May mosaydee kaylie lowya roses ♪
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♪ Say money ain't na, na, oh na ♪
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♪ Looking for vayda tay breeze ♪
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♪ May mosaydee kaylie lowya roses ♪
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♪ For all of these simple things
And much more, a flower was born ♪
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♪ It blooms to spread love and joy
Faith and hope to people forlorn ♪
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♪ Inside every man lives
The seed of a flower ♪
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♪ If he looks within
He finds beauty and power ♪
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[vocalizing]