1 00:00:01,443 --> 00:00:04,282 RON: There's never been an inquiry of this scale 2 00:00:04,283 --> 00:00:06,162 in the annals of police history. 3 00:00:06,163 --> 00:00:09,082 He must speak with a Geordie accent. 4 00:00:09,083 --> 00:00:12,002 Anybody not meeting these five points, they're gone. 5 00:00:12,003 --> 00:00:14,362 Mr Peter Sutcliffe? 6 00:00:14,363 --> 00:00:16,962 DAVID: I do not think the man on the tape is the Ripper. 7 00:00:16,963 --> 00:00:18,922 You've made that clear. I want that on record. 8 00:00:18,923 --> 00:00:21,002 But you're wrong. This is starting to affect 9 00:00:21,003 --> 00:00:24,682 the public's confidence in the police as a whole, nationally. 10 00:00:24,683 --> 00:00:26,922 RON: The most wanted man of the century, 11 00:00:26,923 --> 00:00:30,963 more resources than anyone ever, and you have failed. 12 00:00:31,963 --> 00:00:33,322 I want to ask everyone 13 00:00:33,323 --> 00:00:37,802 to please help us find the person who killed my daughter. 14 00:00:37,803 --> 00:00:39,082 He won't be back in a hurry. 15 00:00:39,083 --> 00:00:42,203 MEG: No. But he'll turn up somewhere. 16 00:01:01,523 --> 00:01:03,562 HE SIGHS 17 00:01:03,563 --> 00:01:05,562 SUTCLIFFE: It's quiet enough here, isn't it? 18 00:01:05,563 --> 00:01:07,842 WOMAN: Yeah, it's fine. 19 00:01:07,843 --> 00:01:09,483 Come here all the time. 20 00:01:11,603 --> 00:01:13,363 We won't be disturbed. 21 00:01:17,323 --> 00:01:18,563 You got a tenner for me? 22 00:01:41,683 --> 00:01:43,283 Why don't we get in t'back? 23 00:01:44,923 --> 00:01:47,123 CAR APPROACHES 24 00:01:52,363 --> 00:01:54,682 Oh, no. 25 00:01:54,683 --> 00:01:56,123 Erm... 26 00:01:57,363 --> 00:01:58,803 You're my girlfriend. 27 00:02:18,003 --> 00:02:19,483 Is this your car, sir? 28 00:02:20,523 --> 00:02:21,682 Yes. 29 00:02:21,683 --> 00:02:23,762 Can you give me your name and address? 30 00:02:23,763 --> 00:02:28,083 I am John Williams. 65 Dorchester Road, Rotherham. 31 00:02:29,523 --> 00:02:30,803 And who's she? 32 00:02:32,163 --> 00:02:33,522 My girlfriend. 33 00:02:33,523 --> 00:02:34,963 And what's her name? 34 00:02:38,123 --> 00:02:40,443 I don't know. We've not known each other that long. 35 00:02:41,523 --> 00:02:42,963 Right. 36 00:02:44,643 --> 00:02:46,363 Just stay there. 37 00:02:54,043 --> 00:02:56,083 OFFICER: Just take the keys out of your car. 38 00:03:00,523 --> 00:03:02,322 2-5-6 to Control. 39 00:03:02,323 --> 00:03:04,322 RADIO: 'Control speaking.' 40 00:03:04,323 --> 00:03:06,083 Number plate check, please. 41 00:03:08,083 --> 00:03:10,002 'Roger that. Go ahead.' 42 00:03:10,003 --> 00:03:15,282 Yeah, it's foxtrot, echo, hotel, 9-0-7, Juliet. 43 00:03:15,283 --> 00:03:16,643 Over. 44 00:03:18,283 --> 00:03:21,482 'That's coming up as a Skoda saloon. 45 00:03:21,483 --> 00:03:25,083 'Owner is a Mr Aslam Khan. Over.' 46 00:03:28,723 --> 00:03:30,442 POLICE CAR DOOR CLOSES 47 00:03:30,443 --> 00:03:32,723 APPROACHING FOOTSTEPS 48 00:03:35,923 --> 00:03:38,522 Right, so, the number plates on your vehicle 49 00:03:38,523 --> 00:03:40,562 don't match that of the car itself. 50 00:03:40,563 --> 00:03:43,242 So what's gonna happen now is I'm gonna arrest you both 51 00:03:43,243 --> 00:03:44,602 on suspicion of theft. 52 00:03:44,603 --> 00:03:48,042 And if this turns out to be soliciting as well... 53 00:03:48,043 --> 00:03:50,642 Well, we'll get into that back at the station. 54 00:03:50,643 --> 00:03:52,522 OK? 55 00:03:52,523 --> 00:03:54,402 Right, out you get. 56 00:03:54,403 --> 00:03:55,763 We'll leave your car. 57 00:03:56,803 --> 00:03:59,442 You heard him. Let's go. Come on. Chop-chop. 58 00:03:59,443 --> 00:04:00,803 Come on. 59 00:04:02,683 --> 00:04:04,163 Yeah, stick them in the back. 60 00:04:12,043 --> 00:04:14,562 Where do you think you're going? I need a piss. 61 00:04:14,563 --> 00:04:16,563 Well, quickly, then. Do it over there. 62 00:04:36,083 --> 00:04:38,003 You've been in before, Olivia, haven't you? 63 00:04:39,083 --> 00:04:40,683 For prostitution. 64 00:04:41,843 --> 00:04:44,923 And that's what you were doing this evening when we picked you up. 65 00:04:46,243 --> 00:04:49,962 The fines get worse the more you deny it. You know they do. 66 00:04:49,963 --> 00:04:53,362 You've got two kids at home - it says so on here. 67 00:04:53,363 --> 00:04:56,482 So the more you sit there not saying owt, 68 00:04:56,483 --> 00:04:59,362 the more the food's coming off their table. 69 00:04:59,363 --> 00:05:00,643 Doesn't it? 70 00:05:01,803 --> 00:05:03,163 Doesn't it? 71 00:05:04,243 --> 00:05:07,243 Start by saying your name. 72 00:05:08,683 --> 00:05:10,122 You know my name. 73 00:05:10,123 --> 00:05:14,162 Nice and clearly, so PC Small here can write it down. 74 00:05:14,163 --> 00:05:17,683 "My name is Olivia Reivers." Go on. 75 00:05:19,163 --> 00:05:21,562 My name is Olivia Reivers. 76 00:05:21,563 --> 00:05:24,083 "I am a prostitute." 77 00:05:26,763 --> 00:05:27,962 I'm a prostitute. 78 00:05:27,963 --> 00:05:32,562 "And I am guilty, yet again guilty, of picking up a punter, 79 00:05:32,563 --> 00:05:36,082 "this time on the evening of January 2nd 1981." 80 00:05:36,083 --> 00:05:38,403 Go on, you tell the story. 81 00:05:40,923 --> 00:05:44,403 Got picked up this evening. For sex. Go on. 82 00:05:46,483 --> 00:05:48,122 For sex. 83 00:05:48,123 --> 00:05:49,642 £10. 84 00:05:49,643 --> 00:05:52,563 Got in his car, parked up. 85 00:05:53,723 --> 00:05:55,522 But that were it. 86 00:05:55,523 --> 00:05:57,603 Then that's when you came along. 87 00:05:58,683 --> 00:06:00,082 Right. 88 00:06:00,083 --> 00:06:01,882 Thank you. 89 00:06:01,883 --> 00:06:05,602 Right, if you just sign here, I'll let you go. 90 00:06:05,603 --> 00:06:08,922 You'll get a court date through. It'll likely mean another fine. 91 00:06:08,923 --> 00:06:10,362 More severe this time 92 00:06:10,363 --> 00:06:12,522 because it's repeat offences, you see. 93 00:06:12,523 --> 00:06:15,723 This is just what happens when you can't leave it alone. 94 00:06:21,483 --> 00:06:24,522 What about this bloke who picked you up? 95 00:06:24,523 --> 00:06:27,643 His car number plates weren't registered in his name. 96 00:06:28,723 --> 00:06:30,162 What's that got to do with me? 97 00:06:30,163 --> 00:06:34,683 Well, you've never met him, or he's not a regular, or...? 98 00:06:35,963 --> 00:06:37,643 I've no idea who he is. 99 00:06:38,803 --> 00:06:40,083 He's just some... 100 00:06:41,123 --> 00:06:43,122 ..just some ordinary guy. 101 00:06:43,123 --> 00:06:44,963 Mm. 102 00:06:46,283 --> 00:06:48,642 You've given your name as John Williams 103 00:06:48,643 --> 00:06:50,203 of Canklow, Rotherham. 104 00:06:52,043 --> 00:06:55,563 There is no John Williams of Canklow, Rotherham. 105 00:06:56,643 --> 00:07:00,003 So, come on. What's your real name? 106 00:07:04,003 --> 00:07:06,723 Sutcliffe. Peter William Sutcliffe. 107 00:07:08,283 --> 00:07:11,242 From? Garden Lane, Heaton. 108 00:07:11,243 --> 00:07:12,283 Bradford? 109 00:07:13,403 --> 00:07:14,482 Aye. 110 00:07:14,483 --> 00:07:18,802 Now, is that your real name and address, or are those more lies? 111 00:07:18,803 --> 00:07:20,523 No, no. You can check that. 112 00:07:21,643 --> 00:07:23,842 So why lie the first time, Peter? 113 00:07:23,843 --> 00:07:26,443 I said a fake name because I panicked. 114 00:07:27,923 --> 00:07:30,482 I regret that now. I should never have done it. 115 00:07:30,483 --> 00:07:33,483 Those plates on your car, they don't belong to you, do they? 116 00:07:35,243 --> 00:07:37,882 You stole them. Why? 117 00:07:37,883 --> 00:07:40,482 Didn't want people seeing you in red light areas. 118 00:07:40,483 --> 00:07:42,482 It's not against the law to go in t'red light area. 119 00:07:42,483 --> 00:07:45,642 We're not saying it is. It's whores who are criminals. 120 00:07:45,643 --> 00:07:47,443 We're not saying otherwise. 121 00:07:49,723 --> 00:07:53,123 We're asking why you'd be driving about with stolen plates. 122 00:07:57,203 --> 00:07:59,563 So you're admitting that you stole them, then? 123 00:08:14,643 --> 00:08:16,003 So, you've got that now? 124 00:08:18,003 --> 00:08:19,242 Sorry? 125 00:08:19,243 --> 00:08:21,603 I've admitted that, so you can charge me and let me go. 126 00:08:24,483 --> 00:08:26,522 Well, what's the big hurry, Peter? 127 00:08:26,523 --> 00:08:28,482 I just wanna get back. That's all. 128 00:08:28,483 --> 00:08:29,682 To Bradford? 129 00:08:29,683 --> 00:08:31,923 Yeah, to Bradford, aye. 130 00:08:35,363 --> 00:08:36,882 A lot of this Ripper business, 131 00:08:36,883 --> 00:08:38,523 that's been up Bradford way, hasn't it? 132 00:08:43,163 --> 00:08:44,563 Leach. 133 00:08:45,563 --> 00:08:46,763 Was that her name? 134 00:08:48,123 --> 00:08:50,883 The student. She were Bradford. 135 00:08:54,443 --> 00:08:57,163 You ever been questioned about the Ripper, Peter? 136 00:08:59,683 --> 00:09:01,843 What's so funny about that? 137 00:09:04,803 --> 00:09:06,083 Look at me. 138 00:09:09,243 --> 00:09:12,403 Have you been questioned or not? 139 00:09:14,443 --> 00:09:16,083 Everybody has. 140 00:09:18,243 --> 00:09:20,042 This one, is it? It's that one there. 141 00:09:20,043 --> 00:09:21,363 Right. 142 00:09:23,563 --> 00:09:24,963 DC Nunn. 143 00:09:26,803 --> 00:09:28,043 Where? 144 00:09:29,203 --> 00:09:31,522 Well, I doubt it. He's never done Sheffield. 145 00:09:31,523 --> 00:09:33,163 What accent's he got? 146 00:09:36,483 --> 00:09:39,042 At one in t'morning? You've no chance. 147 00:09:39,043 --> 00:09:41,002 No, there's nobody else here, 148 00:09:41,003 --> 00:09:43,882 and if there were, they'd tell you the same bloody thing. 149 00:09:43,883 --> 00:09:45,603 Well, bail him, then. 150 00:09:47,963 --> 00:09:50,842 Leeds won't send anyone. They're saying it's too late. 151 00:09:50,843 --> 00:09:52,403 So they're happy to bail him? 152 00:09:53,443 --> 00:09:56,722 Well, we can't keep him overnight, Des. Not on stolen plates. 153 00:09:56,723 --> 00:09:58,202 Especially if he's admitted it. 154 00:09:58,203 --> 00:10:00,442 Well, that wouldn't be the reason we're holding him. 155 00:10:00,443 --> 00:10:02,882 That'd be the excuse. 156 00:10:02,883 --> 00:10:05,002 We should follow their advice. 157 00:10:05,003 --> 00:10:06,882 Bob's right, sir. 158 00:10:06,883 --> 00:10:08,682 If Leeds aren't bothered, why should we be? 159 00:10:08,683 --> 00:10:12,762 Because we're here, and we can feel it. 160 00:10:12,763 --> 00:10:14,723 We can feel that something ain't right. 161 00:10:31,283 --> 00:10:33,923 SCRAPING 162 00:10:53,003 --> 00:10:54,682 I thought you were off home. 163 00:10:54,683 --> 00:10:57,122 Is it just me or is the car parked wrong? 164 00:10:57,123 --> 00:10:59,722 Punters usually park pointing away from the road 165 00:10:59,723 --> 00:11:02,602 to stop people seeing in when they're doing the business. 166 00:11:02,603 --> 00:11:04,322 He were facing out. Do you remember? 167 00:11:04,323 --> 00:11:07,082 Like he wanted a quick getaway. Maybe. 168 00:11:07,083 --> 00:11:09,002 Or he weren't wanting sex. 169 00:11:09,003 --> 00:11:12,363 So if he weren't wanting sex, what were he gonna do? 170 00:11:13,443 --> 00:11:16,042 But what with? Sorry? 171 00:11:16,043 --> 00:11:19,882 Well... if he's t'Ripper, he'd have had weapons on him, 172 00:11:19,883 --> 00:11:21,443 a hammer and... 173 00:11:22,603 --> 00:11:25,523 But we searched him, searched his car. He never had owt. 174 00:11:31,403 --> 00:11:32,763 Bob. 175 00:12:41,083 --> 00:12:44,082 PHONE RINGS 176 00:12:44,083 --> 00:12:45,363 Yeah, that's fine. 177 00:12:46,483 --> 00:12:49,002 OK, yep, checking for you now. 178 00:12:49,003 --> 00:12:51,082 Thanks. Bye. 179 00:12:51,083 --> 00:12:53,283 PHONES RINGING 180 00:12:55,643 --> 00:12:57,603 RINGING CONTINUES 181 00:13:06,883 --> 00:13:08,243 Ford Corsair. 182 00:13:17,883 --> 00:13:19,083 Look. 183 00:13:22,883 --> 00:13:24,603 God, Sue. 184 00:13:46,163 --> 00:13:47,843 I'll get the others. 185 00:13:56,603 --> 00:13:58,163 Morning. Morning. 186 00:14:00,403 --> 00:14:02,363 CLAMOURING 187 00:14:06,483 --> 00:14:07,803 Sue? 188 00:14:09,963 --> 00:14:11,562 Sue. 189 00:14:11,563 --> 00:14:13,003 What's happening? 190 00:14:14,083 --> 00:14:16,083 Have they... Have they got him? 191 00:14:17,123 --> 00:14:18,563 Think so. 192 00:14:27,563 --> 00:14:31,642 Right, so, they've kept him in, this fella, overnight. 193 00:14:31,643 --> 00:14:34,042 So, what they're saying is one of the coppers went back, 194 00:14:34,043 --> 00:14:36,922 had a look down by the side of these bins, you know, 195 00:14:36,923 --> 00:14:39,962 where they've nicked him, and that's where they've found it. 196 00:14:39,963 --> 00:14:41,002 Found what? 197 00:14:41,003 --> 00:14:45,722 Hammer and knife. Kitchen knife, same as he used on Rytka. 198 00:14:45,723 --> 00:14:47,922 Fucking 'ell. Phone Sheffield. 199 00:14:47,923 --> 00:14:49,562 Tell 'em I want that scene sterile. 200 00:14:49,563 --> 00:14:51,682 No more coppers tramping about and toing and froing. 201 00:14:51,683 --> 00:14:53,842 Well, no, look - to be fair, they did find the weapons. 202 00:14:53,843 --> 00:14:56,002 There's nothing to link the weapons to him, is there? 203 00:14:56,003 --> 00:14:58,002 not unless there's prints. Are there prints? 204 00:14:58,003 --> 00:15:00,002 Well, I mean, we've gotta wait. So where is he now? 205 00:15:00,003 --> 00:15:02,042 Well, they're bringing him to West Yorkshire 206 00:15:02,043 --> 00:15:03,442 so we can take over. 207 00:15:03,443 --> 00:15:05,002 All right. And these are his details? 208 00:15:05,003 --> 00:15:06,123 Yeah. 209 00:15:10,563 --> 00:15:12,363 Get me George Oldfield. 210 00:15:13,323 --> 00:15:14,962 Now, come on, what is it? 211 00:15:14,963 --> 00:15:16,922 Hm? This is everything we've worked towards. 212 00:15:16,923 --> 00:15:18,842 This is him. 213 00:15:18,843 --> 00:15:20,883 PHONE RINGS 214 00:15:24,123 --> 00:15:25,442 Grange Moor. 215 00:15:25,443 --> 00:15:29,603 George. Yeah... they think they've got him. 216 00:15:31,363 --> 00:15:34,242 'His name's Peter Sutcliffe. Lorry driver.' 217 00:15:34,243 --> 00:15:36,563 'They're getting him back to West Yorkshire as we speak.' 218 00:15:38,483 --> 00:15:41,163 We've been here before, Dick. 'Yeah, I know.' 219 00:15:43,603 --> 00:15:46,402 You have to be absolutely sure. 220 00:15:46,403 --> 00:15:48,562 'Agreed, but I'll get on it.' 221 00:15:48,563 --> 00:15:49,883 LINE DISCONNECTS 222 00:16:16,443 --> 00:16:18,002 Mrs Peter Sutcliffe? 223 00:16:18,003 --> 00:16:19,563 Can we have a word? 224 00:16:30,483 --> 00:16:33,522 Mrs Sutcliffe, your husband is in police custody. 225 00:16:33,523 --> 00:16:35,242 He was brought in last night in Sheffield, 226 00:16:35,243 --> 00:16:36,522 being transferred as we speak. 227 00:16:36,523 --> 00:16:39,963 TV NEWS PLAYS 228 00:16:42,083 --> 00:16:44,562 OK, listen love. 229 00:16:44,563 --> 00:16:46,642 I've got half the detectives in the north of England 230 00:16:46,643 --> 00:16:48,602 saying that your Peter is The Yorkshire Ripper - 231 00:16:48,603 --> 00:16:49,962 minds made up. 232 00:16:49,963 --> 00:16:52,602 So if there's anything you wanna tell me that might dissuade them 233 00:16:52,603 --> 00:16:55,643 from that opinion, anything at all, this is the time to say it. 234 00:17:05,243 --> 00:17:07,123 Do you mind if we ask a few questions? 235 00:17:08,123 --> 00:17:09,603 FAINT: Just some specifics. 236 00:17:11,243 --> 00:17:13,603 Would that be all right, Sonia? 237 00:17:15,883 --> 00:17:17,603 Do you mind if I call you Sonia? 238 00:17:29,523 --> 00:17:32,642 Sonia, I have a list of dates, 239 00:17:32,643 --> 00:17:35,522 so if you can think of any way to demonstrate... 240 00:17:35,523 --> 00:17:36,642 He would've been at work. 241 00:17:36,643 --> 00:17:38,922 Sorry? Or he was with me. 242 00:17:38,923 --> 00:17:43,123 But Mrs Sutcliffe, I haven't asked you the dates yet. 243 00:17:50,603 --> 00:17:52,963 TV PLAYS 244 00:17:57,723 --> 00:18:02,242 30th of the 10th, 1975. Now, we know that's five years ago. 245 00:18:02,243 --> 00:18:04,843 It's vitally important that we know the whereabouts of Peter. 246 00:18:14,803 --> 00:18:17,323 FAINT: Sonia, this is really... John. 247 00:18:23,003 --> 00:18:24,803 There's one missing. 248 00:18:29,283 --> 00:18:30,963 I'll call Millgarth. 249 00:18:38,243 --> 00:18:40,362 His name's in nominal three times, 250 00:18:40,363 --> 00:18:43,002 his car's in vehicle multiple times, 251 00:18:43,003 --> 00:18:45,243 and he's listed in triple-area sightings... 252 00:18:46,883 --> 00:18:50,002 We did our bit, you know? 253 00:18:50,003 --> 00:18:53,083 If it's him, then everything were logged and in the right places. 254 00:18:56,403 --> 00:18:57,763 It's all we could do. 255 00:18:59,203 --> 00:19:03,882 But if we did that, then they must've been out. 256 00:19:03,883 --> 00:19:06,442 They must've interviewed him already. They must've done. 257 00:19:06,443 --> 00:19:09,682 They did.... more than once. 258 00:19:09,683 --> 00:19:12,202 MAN: Far too many people stood around doing nothing 259 00:19:12,203 --> 00:19:14,562 when there's plenty of work to be done. 260 00:19:14,563 --> 00:19:15,843 So get on with it now! 261 00:19:21,603 --> 00:19:24,122 Have they asked you back in? No, but they will do. 262 00:19:24,123 --> 00:19:27,123 They won't want me sitting round here doing bugger all, will they? 263 00:19:29,203 --> 00:19:31,923 Let's not get ahead of ourselves. 264 00:19:35,643 --> 00:19:37,323 I will call you. 265 00:19:47,923 --> 00:19:49,522 CAR HORN BEEPS 266 00:19:49,523 --> 00:19:52,523 CLAMOURING, SHOUTING 267 00:19:57,843 --> 00:19:59,283 HORN BLARES Move! 268 00:20:21,203 --> 00:20:22,643 EXHALES DEEPLY 269 00:20:32,483 --> 00:20:34,243 The press are outside already. 270 00:20:36,523 --> 00:20:37,843 I'm speaking to them shortly. 271 00:20:38,923 --> 00:20:42,162 Yeah, I was just saying that he's coughed up, he's confessed... 272 00:20:42,163 --> 00:20:45,122 about ten minutes ago. He's admitted everything. 273 00:20:45,123 --> 00:20:48,562 He's admitted McCann, Jackson, Richardson. 274 00:20:48,563 --> 00:20:51,603 He's even admitted to doing another one after Barbara Leach. 275 00:20:52,963 --> 00:20:55,562 Now, apparently, he said that he were hoping to get bail. 276 00:20:55,563 --> 00:20:59,322 He said he were gonna get a cab to Sheffield, pick up them weapons, 277 00:20:59,323 --> 00:21:01,402 then he'd be in the clear. 278 00:21:01,403 --> 00:21:04,682 He... He said all that? What, just to two bobbies in Sheffield? 279 00:21:04,683 --> 00:21:06,323 Well, he wants it all off his chest. 280 00:21:07,763 --> 00:21:10,722 He said things about the Hill murder that only the killer could know. 281 00:21:10,723 --> 00:21:14,403 He said things... well, that nobody ever should know. 282 00:21:15,443 --> 00:21:16,683 Well, let's have it. 283 00:21:18,323 --> 00:21:19,602 Is he a Geordie? 284 00:21:19,603 --> 00:21:21,122 He's from Bradford. 285 00:21:21,123 --> 00:21:23,362 But his voice, Jim. 286 00:21:23,363 --> 00:21:25,522 Does he sound like a Geordie? 287 00:21:25,523 --> 00:21:28,323 He sounds like he's from Bradford. 288 00:21:52,483 --> 00:21:54,843 Hello. Afternoon. All right. 289 00:21:56,363 --> 00:21:57,963 George. 290 00:22:07,203 --> 00:22:10,922 We have, this afternoon, in this very building, 291 00:22:10,923 --> 00:22:14,003 detained a man on several counts of murder. 292 00:22:15,083 --> 00:22:19,163 We are questioning him in relation to The Ripper murders. 293 00:22:20,323 --> 00:22:24,802 It is expected that he will appear before the court tomorrow. 294 00:22:24,803 --> 00:22:26,962 JOURNALIST: Is it fair to say, then, 295 00:22:26,963 --> 00:22:29,282 that the hunt for The Ripper is over? 296 00:22:29,283 --> 00:22:30,362 'That's right.' 297 00:22:30,363 --> 00:22:32,642 'So, have you got any information on the man?' 298 00:22:32,643 --> 00:22:34,162 'Not at this stage.' 299 00:22:34,163 --> 00:22:36,522 JOURNALIST: 'Can you tell us if he's got a Geordie accent?' 300 00:22:36,523 --> 00:22:40,082 'I cannot tell you that because I've not heard him speak.' 301 00:22:40,083 --> 00:22:41,722 'Can you give us any details at all?' 302 00:22:41,723 --> 00:22:44,082 I can tell you that we are 303 00:22:44,083 --> 00:22:48,203 absolutely delighted with developments at this stage. 304 00:22:49,603 --> 00:22:51,322 'Absolutely delighted.' 305 00:22:51,323 --> 00:22:54,563 MAN: 'Now, please, gents. Smile for the camera.' 306 00:22:55,763 --> 00:22:57,642 'Really delighted.' 307 00:22:57,643 --> 00:22:59,322 'Give us a smile, George!' 308 00:22:59,323 --> 00:23:00,802 THEY LAUGH 309 00:23:00,803 --> 00:23:02,562 And George is delighted, as well. 310 00:23:02,563 --> 00:23:04,043 Are you delighted, George? 311 00:23:06,363 --> 00:23:08,323 Give us a smile, George! 312 00:23:09,603 --> 00:23:11,202 Absolutely delighted. 313 00:23:11,203 --> 00:23:12,843 LAUGHTER 314 00:23:33,803 --> 00:23:36,122 JOURNALIST: 'The time is twenty past six. 315 00:23:36,123 --> 00:23:37,682 'The headlines again. 316 00:23:37,683 --> 00:23:40,842 'Peter Sutcliffe, the man who became known as The Yorkshire Ripper, 317 00:23:40,843 --> 00:23:43,242 'was today sentenced at the Old Bailey 318 00:23:43,243 --> 00:23:46,762 'to life imprisonment for the murder of 13 women. 319 00:23:46,763 --> 00:23:48,482 'A lorry driver from Bradford, 320 00:23:48,483 --> 00:23:50,922 'Sutcliffe was a man so unremarkable 321 00:23:50,923 --> 00:23:54,522 'that for five years, he was able to elude the biggest manhunt 322 00:23:54,523 --> 00:23:56,042 'in criminal history. 323 00:23:56,043 --> 00:23:59,202 'During that time, he roamed freely across the north of England, 324 00:23:59,203 --> 00:24:01,762 'attacking and murdering women indiscriminately. 325 00:24:01,763 --> 00:24:03,642 'The judge, Mr Justice Boreham, 326 00:24:03,643 --> 00:24:06,683 'described Sutcliffe as an unusually dangerous...' 327 00:24:12,163 --> 00:24:15,163 DISTANT CHATTER 328 00:24:19,683 --> 00:24:21,763 KNOCK AT DOOR 329 00:24:30,043 --> 00:24:33,323 You've seen it all? That he admitted to it? 330 00:24:37,203 --> 00:24:38,563 Attacking you. 331 00:24:41,603 --> 00:24:44,842 So, now the trial's finished, I was thinking we could get started. 332 00:24:44,843 --> 00:24:46,563 We can get that compensation. 333 00:25:04,363 --> 00:25:06,482 They've said it's gonna be another couple of minutes 334 00:25:06,483 --> 00:25:10,042 before they come live to us here in the studio. 335 00:25:10,043 --> 00:25:12,242 A make-up woman's coming. 336 00:25:12,243 --> 00:25:14,683 Why would I need make up for a programme like this? 337 00:25:21,283 --> 00:25:24,882 PRESENTER: 'Let's see this opening. Erm, "Trial of the century..." ' 338 00:25:24,883 --> 00:25:26,163 I'll make us a tea. 339 00:25:28,243 --> 00:25:32,042 "Crime of the century" or "Trial of the century", Tony? 340 00:25:32,043 --> 00:25:33,802 I think I can say both, don't you? 341 00:25:33,803 --> 00:25:36,442 TONY: Yeah, sure. Shall we try that? 342 00:25:36,443 --> 00:25:39,402 You happy? Yeah, I think it might be a bit stronger. 343 00:25:39,403 --> 00:25:42,203 Yeah, trial and crime. Can you put that on the, erm... 344 00:25:43,603 --> 00:25:47,042 Put that on the autocue, and I'll see what that sounds like. 345 00:25:47,043 --> 00:25:49,283 MAN: Going live in five. Great, thank you. 346 00:25:50,323 --> 00:25:53,642 The crime and the trial of the century is over. 347 00:25:53,643 --> 00:25:56,122 The Yorkshire Ripper has been given a life sentence, 348 00:25:56,123 --> 00:25:58,522 and a five-year manhunt is finished. 349 00:25:58,523 --> 00:26:00,602 Yep, I think that's... Yeah, I think that's better. 350 00:26:00,603 --> 00:26:02,243 We'll go for that. It's stronger. 351 00:26:03,283 --> 00:26:05,002 'Er, it's a stronger opening.' 352 00:26:05,003 --> 00:26:07,762 BELL RINGS 353 00:26:07,763 --> 00:26:09,682 Don't be nervous, now. 354 00:26:09,683 --> 00:26:12,722 Just remember to say the things we spoke about. 355 00:26:12,723 --> 00:26:15,163 We've been through them a thousand times. 356 00:26:32,203 --> 00:26:35,362 The crime and trial of the century is over. 357 00:26:35,363 --> 00:26:37,842 The Yorkshire Ripper has been given a life sentence, 358 00:26:37,843 --> 00:26:40,362 and a five-year manhunt is finished. 359 00:26:40,363 --> 00:26:43,362 But the questions raised by that manhunt remain. 360 00:26:43,363 --> 00:26:47,002 How efficient was the hunt for The Yorkshire Ripper? 361 00:26:47,003 --> 00:26:50,682 Ronald Gregory is the chief constable of West Yorkshire Police. 362 00:26:50,683 --> 00:26:53,322 Irene MacDonald is the mother of Jayne MacDonald, 363 00:26:53,323 --> 00:26:55,882 murdered by The Ripper in 1977. 364 00:26:55,883 --> 00:26:59,762 And she very bravely has agreed to join us tonight in our Leeds studio. 365 00:26:59,763 --> 00:27:02,442 Ken Dwyer is a journalist who's been following the investigation 366 00:27:02,443 --> 00:27:04,642 from the very beginning, and his book on the case 367 00:27:04,643 --> 00:27:06,962 is now being rushed into print. 368 00:27:06,963 --> 00:27:10,442 Another parent, Mrs Doreen Hill, is the mother of Jacqueline, 369 00:27:10,443 --> 00:27:11,962 The Ripper's last victim. 370 00:27:11,963 --> 00:27:15,202 She understandably cannot face the prospect of visiting Leeds 371 00:27:15,203 --> 00:27:16,522 after what has happened, 372 00:27:16,523 --> 00:27:19,082 and so joins us from one of our London studios. 373 00:27:19,083 --> 00:27:20,642 Chief Constable, 374 00:27:20,643 --> 00:27:23,242 was any wild goose chase more wild 375 00:27:23,243 --> 00:27:26,042 than that which led the police to concentrate all its attention 376 00:27:26,043 --> 00:27:27,362 on the voice recording? 377 00:27:27,363 --> 00:27:29,642 And the fact that you instructed your men 378 00:27:29,643 --> 00:27:31,802 to discount anyone who didn't have a Geordie accent. 379 00:27:31,803 --> 00:27:32,842 That's not... 380 00:27:32,843 --> 00:27:35,802 Thus allowing The Ripper, who didn't have a Geordie accent, 381 00:27:35,803 --> 00:27:37,723 to go free for that much longer. 382 00:27:38,843 --> 00:27:42,602 'No, that's not true. You see, that's a miss-statement immediately. 383 00:27:42,603 --> 00:27:46,522 'We did not reject anyone who did not have a Geordie accent. 384 00:27:46,523 --> 00:27:51,002 'The decision on the tape was taken after very careful consideration 385 00:27:51,003 --> 00:27:54,042 'because the senior investigating officers were in a dilemma. 386 00:27:54,043 --> 00:27:56,442 'Had they chosen not to reveal the tape, 387 00:27:56,443 --> 00:27:59,562 'they may have faced much worse criticism. 388 00:27:59,563 --> 00:28:03,842 'So when they did reveal it, they had to be positive.' 389 00:28:03,843 --> 00:28:05,482 "They." 390 00:28:05,483 --> 00:28:07,642 But at no time was that the only point of elimination. 391 00:28:07,643 --> 00:28:10,362 But you were eliminating people who didn't have a Wearside accent. 392 00:28:10,363 --> 00:28:12,163 No, not solely on that. 393 00:28:13,243 --> 00:28:16,682 Mrs Hill, do you now feel able to say, 394 00:28:16,683 --> 00:28:19,483 "It's over, I have no more recriminations?" 395 00:28:21,603 --> 00:28:24,802 'There are aspects that I'm not happy about. 396 00:28:24,803 --> 00:28:28,682 'The handbag was found on the Monday evening.' 397 00:28:28,683 --> 00:28:31,842 But no-one bothered to look for its owner. 398 00:28:31,843 --> 00:28:34,562 When the detectives went to Jacqueline's body, 399 00:28:34,563 --> 00:28:36,602 they knew nothing at all about that handbag. 400 00:28:36,603 --> 00:28:39,043 Could Mr Gregory clarify that? 401 00:28:40,363 --> 00:28:41,723 'Mr Gregory?' 402 00:28:45,283 --> 00:28:47,362 'I can't remember exactly. 403 00:28:47,363 --> 00:28:50,922 'I know the handbag had been found. 404 00:28:50,923 --> 00:28:53,402 'But I cannot say with any accuracy 405 00:28:53,403 --> 00:28:56,283 'whether the detectives knew about it at the time.' 406 00:28:57,523 --> 00:28:59,122 'Mrs Hill, would you welcome an inquiry 407 00:28:59,123 --> 00:29:01,402 'into the way the police conducted the investigation?' 408 00:29:01,403 --> 00:29:03,802 Yes, I would. 409 00:29:03,803 --> 00:29:06,442 If there's going to be an inquiry, can I see the report? 410 00:29:06,443 --> 00:29:09,883 Would Mrs Hill be entitled to see that report? 411 00:29:11,083 --> 00:29:16,122 If Mrs Hill is dissatisfied with any aspect of the investigation, 412 00:29:16,123 --> 00:29:18,722 if she'd like to come and see us at any time, 413 00:29:18,723 --> 00:29:22,162 we could explain to her exactly what happened. 414 00:29:22,163 --> 00:29:24,642 Can I ask a simple question? No doubt you'll tell me I'm wrong. 415 00:29:24,643 --> 00:29:26,842 But could you not have done that earlier? 416 00:29:26,843 --> 00:29:29,202 Sent for Mrs Hill and Mrs MacDonald here 417 00:29:29,203 --> 00:29:32,923 and invited them in and set their minds at rest? 418 00:29:35,003 --> 00:29:37,642 Well, I don't know what they want to be reassured about. 419 00:29:37,643 --> 00:29:40,242 'This is the first I've heard of it.' 420 00:29:40,243 --> 00:29:41,842 'Really, Chief Constable? 421 00:29:41,843 --> 00:29:43,202 'You see no error 422 00:29:43,203 --> 00:29:46,202 'in the five-and-a-half-years investigation?' 423 00:29:46,203 --> 00:29:49,962 'Oh, there may have been errors. We are not infallible. 424 00:29:49,963 --> 00:29:52,402 'But you are not informed of what the police did.' 425 00:29:52,403 --> 00:29:54,642 I am informed about what you didn't do, 426 00:29:54,643 --> 00:29:56,162 and that's catch Peter Sutcliffe. 427 00:29:56,163 --> 00:29:58,922 Oh, I'm aware of that. That's pretty obvious. 428 00:29:58,923 --> 00:30:01,482 Though I'm glad that you welcome a public inquiry. 429 00:30:01,483 --> 00:30:02,922 No, I didn't say that. 430 00:30:02,923 --> 00:30:05,122 I would not resent an inquiry, 431 00:30:05,123 --> 00:30:09,282 but who did the inquiry and how it was conducted would be important. 432 00:30:09,283 --> 00:30:12,402 'You see, the public and so many commentators 433 00:30:12,403 --> 00:30:13,642 'have criticised the police 434 00:30:13,643 --> 00:30:16,922 'when they have not been privy to all that the police have done. 435 00:30:16,923 --> 00:30:20,443 'Until they are, they should reserve judgement and criticism.' 436 00:30:24,203 --> 00:30:25,682 Well, we are grateful to everyone 437 00:30:25,683 --> 00:30:27,442 who's taken part in tonight's discussion, 438 00:30:27,443 --> 00:30:30,042 but we're particularly mindful of the courage it must have taken 439 00:30:30,043 --> 00:30:34,202 for both Mrs MacDonald and Mrs Hill to speak out in public tonight. 440 00:30:34,203 --> 00:30:36,682 'Our thoughts must be with them 441 00:30:36,683 --> 00:30:39,962 'and with all the other relatives of the Ripper's victims. 442 00:30:39,963 --> 00:30:42,043 'From Leeds, good night.' 443 00:30:43,883 --> 00:30:46,362 CREW MEMBER: Everybody stay seated. 444 00:30:46,363 --> 00:30:48,483 Nice and still while the credits roll. 445 00:30:51,043 --> 00:30:52,482 BELL RINGS OK, thanks everyone. 446 00:30:52,483 --> 00:30:54,242 We're just waiting to hear from the gallery 447 00:30:54,243 --> 00:30:55,842 in case there's anything to pick up. 448 00:30:55,843 --> 00:30:58,203 CREW CHATTER 449 00:31:07,763 --> 00:31:09,562 What about the accent? 450 00:31:09,563 --> 00:31:11,402 What about the fact that our daughter was told 451 00:31:11,403 --> 00:31:13,123 that men in Yorkshire were safe? 452 00:31:14,203 --> 00:31:16,242 And why did they call him The Ripper? 453 00:31:16,243 --> 00:31:18,802 He said it over and over on TV, "The Ripper". 454 00:31:18,803 --> 00:31:20,402 Like that's his name. 455 00:31:20,403 --> 00:31:22,202 That's just what they say, love. No. 456 00:31:22,203 --> 00:31:24,842 That's what people used to say when they didn't know who he was. 457 00:31:24,843 --> 00:31:26,562 When they didn't know his name. 458 00:31:26,563 --> 00:31:28,882 But now they know his name, why don't they use it? 459 00:31:28,883 --> 00:31:31,603 Why do they have to say that wretched word? 460 00:31:37,963 --> 00:31:39,683 I'll get someone to take that thing off. 461 00:32:08,363 --> 00:32:10,842 "As Police Constable Andrew Laptew 462 00:32:10,843 --> 00:32:14,522 "sat in Sutcliffe's modestly furnished living room in Bradford, 463 00:32:14,523 --> 00:32:17,162 "he realised that everything the police knew about The Ripper 464 00:32:17,163 --> 00:32:18,962 "fitted the man he was questioning. 465 00:32:18,963 --> 00:32:22,842 "He became convinced Sutcliffe was The Ripper. 466 00:32:22,843 --> 00:32:24,442 "He submitted a report saying as much 467 00:32:24,443 --> 00:32:26,042 "to The Ripper headquarters in Leeds." 468 00:32:26,043 --> 00:32:28,962 Everything just "fitted", did it? It's not how it looks. 469 00:32:28,963 --> 00:32:32,122 Did everything just fall into place for Sherlock fucking Holmes? 470 00:32:32,123 --> 00:32:33,842 How much they pay you? They didn't. 471 00:32:33,843 --> 00:32:36,002 No? So why go round there? I didn't. 472 00:32:36,003 --> 00:32:37,362 To cover his arse. 473 00:32:37,363 --> 00:32:38,682 He met Sutcliffe, 474 00:32:38,683 --> 00:32:41,722 and then all he did was hand in some shitty bit of paper, and that's it. 475 00:32:41,723 --> 00:32:44,522 Three more lasses get butchered, and he's got to live with that then, 476 00:32:44,523 --> 00:32:46,482 the fact that he never followed up. 477 00:32:46,483 --> 00:32:48,442 And that is why he called 'em. Not true, sir. 478 00:32:48,443 --> 00:32:50,042 Make it known that it wasn't his fault. 479 00:32:50,043 --> 00:32:53,362 A journalist knocked on my door. He'd heard I'd put a report in. 480 00:32:53,363 --> 00:32:55,442 Said he'd got a tip. A tip-off? From who? 481 00:32:55,443 --> 00:32:56,682 No idea. But I said nothing. 482 00:32:56,683 --> 00:32:59,362 Is someone trying to protect you? Read the article. 483 00:32:59,363 --> 00:33:01,522 Cos you went round there... You'll find no quotes... 484 00:33:01,523 --> 00:33:04,282 Sat there and had a cup of tea with him in his front fucking room. 485 00:33:04,283 --> 00:33:06,402 I weren't the only one. Sorry? 486 00:33:06,403 --> 00:33:08,803 He'd been interviewed nine times. 487 00:33:11,483 --> 00:33:12,923 Nine? 488 00:33:14,043 --> 00:33:16,402 That's what they're saying. T'lasses in t'incident room. 489 00:33:16,403 --> 00:33:18,922 So what does it matter who spoke to what journalist, 490 00:33:18,923 --> 00:33:22,763 when nine times we went round there, and nine times we failed? 491 00:33:24,123 --> 00:33:26,322 Just like you failed when I handed you that report 492 00:33:26,323 --> 00:33:29,642 cos you were blinded by that tape, by that stupid accent. Careful. 493 00:33:29,643 --> 00:33:31,242 It's not me that's got to live with it, 494 00:33:31,243 --> 00:33:33,482 with them three dead girls, it's all of us. 495 00:33:33,483 --> 00:33:35,723 But it is you and Oldfield the most. 496 00:33:37,123 --> 00:33:39,443 You watch your fucking mouth. 497 00:33:49,363 --> 00:33:52,243 I want to create a substantial new role for you. 498 00:33:53,323 --> 00:33:56,162 A role befitting of an experienced chap like you, George. 499 00:33:56,163 --> 00:33:58,962 Chief of Operational Support. 500 00:33:58,963 --> 00:34:01,883 Running the engine room, for the whole of West Yorkshire. 501 00:34:03,643 --> 00:34:05,282 To oversee the policing of all vehicles 502 00:34:05,283 --> 00:34:08,562 and road-based transport in our portion of the county. 503 00:34:08,563 --> 00:34:09,762 Traffic. 504 00:34:09,763 --> 00:34:12,722 To oversee the safekeeping of criminal records and documentation. 505 00:34:12,723 --> 00:34:14,242 The library. 506 00:34:14,243 --> 00:34:18,082 And a full oversight of frogmen, police dogs and police horses. 507 00:34:18,083 --> 00:34:21,082 Animals. Frogmen aren't animals, George. 508 00:34:21,083 --> 00:34:23,082 They just have an animal in their name. 509 00:34:23,083 --> 00:34:24,403 Well, I won't do it. 510 00:34:26,043 --> 00:34:29,923 I'm not going from Head of CID to running the police farmyard. 511 00:34:31,163 --> 00:34:33,843 People'll think I've been fired. 512 00:34:40,483 --> 00:34:42,403 There's shit coming down the line, George. 513 00:34:43,403 --> 00:34:46,683 And before I retire, I want to make sure that you are protected. 514 00:34:50,283 --> 00:34:52,243 We attribute it to your health. 515 00:34:54,163 --> 00:34:56,003 Needn't be a reflection of you and your team. 516 00:34:58,243 --> 00:35:00,002 What about Dick? 517 00:35:00,003 --> 00:35:02,322 I'll find something for Dick. 518 00:35:02,323 --> 00:35:03,803 Oh, well... 519 00:35:05,123 --> 00:35:07,962 ..you know, if there's shit coming down the line, 520 00:35:07,963 --> 00:35:11,323 then you put as many people in the way of it as you can, eh? 521 00:35:12,803 --> 00:35:14,483 Don't hold back. 522 00:35:17,883 --> 00:35:21,202 Oh, Margaret wanted to know if those gifts had arrived. 523 00:35:21,203 --> 00:35:22,842 For Grace's birthday. 524 00:35:22,843 --> 00:35:24,203 Oh, I don't know, George. 525 00:35:25,843 --> 00:35:28,002 That's very kind of her. I shall ask. 526 00:35:28,003 --> 00:35:30,243 Well, she's good like that, my wife. 527 00:35:32,403 --> 00:35:33,643 Considerate. 528 00:35:36,883 --> 00:35:38,483 DOOR OPENS 529 00:35:52,763 --> 00:35:55,082 Mr Byford, Mr Nevill. Morning. 530 00:35:55,083 --> 00:35:57,842 If you want to follow me, I can show you upstairs? 531 00:35:57,843 --> 00:35:59,043 Thank you. Yep. 532 00:36:00,963 --> 00:36:03,282 You are a bit earlier than we expected, 533 00:36:03,283 --> 00:36:04,683 but, er, we're nearly ready. 534 00:36:06,083 --> 00:36:08,202 This is Mr Byford, 535 00:36:08,203 --> 00:36:10,402 he'll be doing the official inquiry. Hello. 536 00:36:10,403 --> 00:36:11,683 Hello. OFFICER: Sir. 537 00:36:12,803 --> 00:36:16,763 Did you ladies work on the inquiry, or are you just packing things up? 538 00:36:20,003 --> 00:36:21,723 We did our share, sir. 539 00:36:22,803 --> 00:36:25,362 Mr Byford requested you draw all accounts from your system 540 00:36:25,363 --> 00:36:26,842 that might relate to Sutcliffe. 541 00:36:26,843 --> 00:36:29,202 Vehicles, Photofits, anything you might think relevant. 542 00:36:29,203 --> 00:36:31,283 Yes, sir. Follow me. 543 00:36:33,323 --> 00:36:35,282 Statements, sightings, 544 00:36:35,283 --> 00:36:38,042 any other paperwork, we've boxed up and we've put in this office 545 00:36:38,043 --> 00:36:41,003 cos, well, it's more private in here. 546 00:36:45,123 --> 00:36:48,642 These Photofits go back from 1972. 547 00:36:48,643 --> 00:36:50,722 These are from the women who survived. 548 00:36:50,723 --> 00:36:54,803 The women he attacked or followed or chased. 549 00:36:56,523 --> 00:36:58,722 The ones he left for dead. 550 00:36:58,723 --> 00:37:01,442 These are what they said they saw. 551 00:37:01,443 --> 00:37:04,882 But not all of the women were believed. 552 00:37:04,883 --> 00:37:09,643 And these two photos, sir, these are of Sutcliffe himself. 553 00:37:10,723 --> 00:37:13,562 Er, this one from January. 554 00:37:13,563 --> 00:37:18,763 And this one from when he was arrested in '69. 555 00:37:21,003 --> 00:37:22,722 Arrested in '69? 556 00:37:22,723 --> 00:37:25,002 For going equipped. 557 00:37:25,003 --> 00:37:28,163 He was caught, late at night, carrying a hammer. 558 00:37:32,523 --> 00:37:34,083 That's when he started. 559 00:38:27,523 --> 00:38:28,923 KNOCK AT DOOR 560 00:38:31,363 --> 00:38:33,202 Richard McCann? 561 00:38:33,203 --> 00:38:35,202 Is this about our Sonia? What's she done now? 562 00:38:35,203 --> 00:38:37,082 She only left the house about an hour ago. 563 00:38:37,083 --> 00:38:38,443 Are you the son of Wilma McCann? 564 00:38:40,243 --> 00:38:42,322 I'm Detective Chief Superintendent Chris Gregg. 565 00:38:42,323 --> 00:38:44,682 I was a young detective on the Peter Sutcliffe case. 566 00:38:44,683 --> 00:38:47,002 Sorry, but what's this...? 567 00:38:47,003 --> 00:38:48,922 Because I find these things... 568 00:38:48,923 --> 00:38:50,523 Can I come in? 569 00:38:55,643 --> 00:38:58,122 I've been visiting all the next of kin, 570 00:38:58,123 --> 00:39:01,363 those related to the victims, as we've had a development. 571 00:39:02,963 --> 00:39:06,682 A few years ago, we arrested a man for being drunk and disorderly. 572 00:39:06,683 --> 00:39:08,082 As a result of his conviction, 573 00:39:08,083 --> 00:39:09,802 he had to provide us with a DNA sample 574 00:39:09,803 --> 00:39:11,762 for the National Database. 575 00:39:11,763 --> 00:39:14,082 Because I'm now Chief Super, 576 00:39:14,083 --> 00:39:17,802 and because this case really matters to me, 577 00:39:17,803 --> 00:39:20,722 I make sure to run DNA tests every few years, you see. 578 00:39:20,723 --> 00:39:22,122 Tests on what? 579 00:39:22,123 --> 00:39:25,003 On the man who wrote the letters. 580 00:39:26,043 --> 00:39:28,082 There were never any prints, but recently, 581 00:39:28,083 --> 00:39:30,242 we found DNA where he licked the envelope. 582 00:39:30,243 --> 00:39:33,642 So two weeks ago, we ran the tests, 583 00:39:33,643 --> 00:39:35,562 and we found a direct match 584 00:39:35,563 --> 00:39:38,443 with the man who we'd arrested for being drunk and disorderly. 585 00:39:39,443 --> 00:39:41,442 That man... 586 00:39:41,443 --> 00:39:42,843 is the man on the tape. 587 00:39:44,403 --> 00:39:45,442 The man... 588 00:39:45,443 --> 00:39:47,763 The man who sent the tape. 589 00:39:50,363 --> 00:39:51,603 He's owned up to it. 590 00:39:53,603 --> 00:39:57,202 Said that it was him, that he regrets it, 591 00:39:57,203 --> 00:39:58,602 the damage that he's caused... 592 00:39:58,603 --> 00:40:00,563 Wait. No, no, no. I, er... 593 00:40:03,443 --> 00:40:05,882 I need to hear him. Hear his voice. 594 00:40:05,883 --> 00:40:07,962 I-I need to... Is there any way that you...? 595 00:40:07,963 --> 00:40:10,042 Yeah, that's one of the reasons I'm here. 596 00:40:10,043 --> 00:40:12,082 Do you mind if I use your DVD player? No. 597 00:40:12,083 --> 00:40:13,402 It's just to show you, 598 00:40:13,403 --> 00:40:15,442 like I'm showing all the other friends and family. 599 00:40:15,443 --> 00:40:18,443 But only if it'll help. You don't have to. 600 00:40:22,403 --> 00:40:25,203 His name is John Humble. He's from Sunderland. 601 00:40:26,963 --> 00:40:28,202 We had him read out the letters 602 00:40:28,203 --> 00:40:30,402 in case he later withdrew his confession. 603 00:40:30,403 --> 00:40:32,042 'We've got a transcript here. 604 00:40:32,043 --> 00:40:34,442 'Would you read that for us please, John? Back in...' 605 00:40:34,443 --> 00:40:38,162 'That's if I can see it. My eyes are a bit dodgy, you know.' 606 00:40:38,163 --> 00:40:39,722 'Take your time.' 607 00:40:39,723 --> 00:40:41,642 ' "I'm Jack. 608 00:40:41,643 --> 00:40:45,522 ' "I see you are still having no luck catching me. 609 00:40:45,523 --> 00:40:50,282 ' "I have the greatest respect for you, George, but, Lord! 610 00:40:50,283 --> 00:40:55,763 ' "You are no nearer catching me now than four years ago, when I started. 611 00:40:57,683 --> 00:41:00,842 ' "I reckon your boys are letting you down, George. 612 00:41:00,843 --> 00:41:04,162 ' "They can't be much good, can they? 613 00:41:04,163 --> 00:41:05,802 ' "The only time they came near..." ' 614 00:41:05,803 --> 00:41:07,283 RECORDING STOPS 615 00:41:08,443 --> 00:41:09,523 That's him. 616 00:41:11,403 --> 00:41:12,603 The voice. 617 00:41:15,923 --> 00:41:17,483 The man who killed Mum. 618 00:41:18,523 --> 00:41:19,602 No, no. 619 00:41:19,603 --> 00:41:21,722 He's just the man who... No, no... 620 00:41:21,723 --> 00:41:23,883 Maybe not for you, but for me. 621 00:41:25,563 --> 00:41:28,523 D'you know, when they first caught Sutcliffe, no-one bothered. 622 00:41:31,003 --> 00:41:32,842 They were busy patting each other on the back, 623 00:41:32,843 --> 00:41:35,803 but no-one actually came to tell me and Sonia, so thank you. 624 00:41:41,643 --> 00:41:43,043 Why... 625 00:41:44,483 --> 00:41:47,042 ..did he do that? Why did he send the tape? 626 00:41:47,043 --> 00:41:49,122 You must have asked him. Yeah. 627 00:41:49,123 --> 00:41:50,523 And...? 628 00:41:51,643 --> 00:41:53,443 Notoriety. 629 00:41:55,243 --> 00:41:57,242 And everything he said on the tape, 630 00:41:57,243 --> 00:42:01,002 every word and every detail that he put down in those letters, 631 00:42:01,003 --> 00:42:02,722 it was all there in the papers already. 632 00:42:02,723 --> 00:42:07,042 It was all there for him to read and write down 633 00:42:07,043 --> 00:42:08,882 and pass off as his own. 634 00:42:08,883 --> 00:42:10,962 And my predecessors, they never worked that out. 635 00:42:10,963 --> 00:42:12,683 And, erm... you know... 636 00:42:14,523 --> 00:42:15,843 ..I only wish they had. 637 00:42:30,883 --> 00:42:32,522 MAN: Hello, mate. 638 00:42:32,523 --> 00:42:34,523 'People often ask me... 639 00:42:35,843 --> 00:42:41,123 '.."how you do you even begin to get over something like that?" ' 640 00:42:42,363 --> 00:42:46,402 And, erm, "What it's like, being a survivor?" 641 00:42:46,403 --> 00:42:48,162 HE SCOFFS 642 00:42:48,163 --> 00:42:50,242 We're not survivors. We're surviving. 643 00:42:50,243 --> 00:42:53,482 It's a, er... What do you call it? 644 00:42:53,483 --> 00:42:55,162 A work in progress. 645 00:42:55,163 --> 00:42:57,082 We're managing. 646 00:42:57,083 --> 00:42:58,523 The good days... 647 00:42:59,603 --> 00:43:01,962 ..and the bad days. 648 00:43:01,963 --> 00:43:03,122 And, erm... 649 00:43:03,123 --> 00:43:05,482 the best we can hope for is that very rare thing. 650 00:43:05,483 --> 00:43:07,002 The odd day, when you're working... 651 00:43:07,003 --> 00:43:09,323 I'm a motivational speaker these days. 652 00:43:10,643 --> 00:43:12,963 But whatever it might be, when... 653 00:43:14,763 --> 00:43:16,643 ..when it doesn't cross your mind. 654 00:43:19,323 --> 00:43:21,762 Or at least you think it doesn't, and... 655 00:43:21,763 --> 00:43:23,762 till right before bedtime, 656 00:43:23,763 --> 00:43:25,922 when it pops into your head, and you think... 657 00:43:25,923 --> 00:43:29,523 "Oh, God... I nearly made it through." 658 00:43:34,083 --> 00:43:35,203 Sorry. 659 00:43:44,963 --> 00:43:46,803 Our mum were never a prostitute. 660 00:43:48,843 --> 00:43:51,882 Yes, she liked a drink, and-and... 661 00:43:51,883 --> 00:43:53,242 yes, she had boyfriends. 662 00:43:53,243 --> 00:43:55,562 She-She probably got up to all sorts. 663 00:43:55,563 --> 00:43:58,643 The point is, the police never bothered to check. 664 00:44:00,203 --> 00:44:01,722 Those men in charge, 665 00:44:01,723 --> 00:44:04,522 they were more fixed on finding out who he was. 666 00:44:04,523 --> 00:44:07,442 They never even bothered to find out who Mum was. 667 00:44:07,443 --> 00:44:09,083 And it was the same for the rest of them. 668 00:44:10,483 --> 00:44:12,202 The police, they showed up, 669 00:44:12,203 --> 00:44:16,522 and they saw a crime scene, and they saw a victim. 670 00:44:16,523 --> 00:44:20,923 But what very few of them ever actually saw were the women. 671 00:44:25,803 --> 00:44:27,323 And that's what's important now. 672 00:44:29,683 --> 00:44:31,563 We want to make those women visible. 673 00:44:33,443 --> 00:44:34,843 We want to see 'em in colour. 674 00:44:38,043 --> 00:44:43,003 We want to bring them out of that... that same long shadow. 675 00:47:12,843 --> 00:47:14,883 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com