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Your dog grabbed her dog in the mouth.
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I yelled at my dog.
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No. No.
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I didn't see any blood or anything.
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Her head was punctured.
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Your dogs came running up to my dog.
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- No, no, no...
- That's not true.
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You wanna continue with this case
or you wanna go?
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[narrator]
This is Judy Justice.
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{\an8}[theme music]
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{\an8}[narrator] Nanette Hyland
is suing her former neighbor,
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{\an8}Sahara Carrillo for vet bills
after a dog attack.
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[bailiff]
Court, come to order. All rise.
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Have a seat, please.
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{\an8}Hello, Judge. Case #2042,
Hyland versus Carrillo.
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{\an8}- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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Tell me your dog's name.
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Faith.
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- [Judy] How old is Faith?
- Eleven.
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How long have you had her, Miss Hyland?
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Since she was five weeks old.
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{\an8}[Judy] When did you live next door
to the Defendant?
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{\an8}[Nanette]
It was across the way, but, um...
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It's across?
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Yeah. My side of the door
faced her side of the door.
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And there was a grassy knoll
in between.
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[Judy]
Do you have a photograph?
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- No, I don't.
- Do you?
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I'd like to see it.
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That's mine. And this is
where hers would be.
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- [bailiff] Okay, thank you.
- [Sahara] Mm-hmm.
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Okay, so, this is whose trailer?
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Hers.
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Miss Carrillo, is there a street in
between this area
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That's where hers would be.
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[Judy] Where?
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In that area where the rocky thing...
Right after the grass.
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Kevin, give this to the Defendant
and have her point...
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- Maybe this one's better.
- [Judy] ...point where
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the Plaintiff's trailer would be.
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- [Sahara] Okay.
- And where hers was.
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This is where hers is,
would've been right here.
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Just put "Plaintiff" and show me
where yours was.
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Mine is right here.
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[Judy]
Put it down.
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Let me see if that
makes it clear to me, Kevin.
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Thank you.
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Yours is here, Plaintiff's is here.
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And this large grass area
is a common area?
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Yeah.
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Is a common area, 'cause
you're all the way down here.
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This is a relatively large space.
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It's only like...
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- [Judy] I wasn't talking to you.
- Sorry.
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Okay. And the incident that
involved your pet, Miss Hyland,
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{\an8}happened on October 8th, 2021.
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{\an8}Yeah, it was actually October ninth,
after going back through the paperwork.
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You are no longer in this trailer park?
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No. It's an RV park, but yeah.
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An RV park. How long were you there?
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Four or five months. It was like
mid to end of May.
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And this happened in October, and
within three weeks I bought a place.
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And that's your dog, that's the dog that
was injured that day?
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And what kind of a dog do you have?
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A Vizsla mix, boxer.
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- [Judy] A Vizsla.
- Vizsla, uh-huh.
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So, tell me what happened, Miss Hyland,
on October ninth.
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I had gotten up and I was
taking my girls out to go potty.
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How many of those do you have?
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Two. I have a puppy that's
almost two years old, and then Faith.
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So, I was taking my girls out to go potty,
and I'd been looking
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{\an8}to make sure that the dog was inside.
And I didn't see the dog.
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And it was on its chain under her trailer, apparently,
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- because when we came outside...
- [Judy] No.
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Was your dog on a chain?
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On a leash, yeah.
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[Judy]
What kind of leash?
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- This.
- [Nanette] That's not right.
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That's not true.
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- That's a leash.
- [Sahara] Right.
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That's a leash. She says
the dog was on a chain.
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- No.
- Yes, it was.
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- I don't have a chain.
- Ssh! Ssh!
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- [Nanette] Okay.
- I don't have a chain, never had a chain.
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{\an8}It's been a leash.
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Were you outside on October ninth
at the time of this incident?
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Were you outside when it started?
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Yes. I was outside, on top of my stairs.
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No, you weren't.
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Okay. You're not allowed to answer her.
I'll come back to you.
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Okay, so, you're taking your dogs
out to potty.
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Were they on a leash or off-leash?
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They were on a leash.
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But she didn't have 'em...
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- [Judy] Don't speak.
- Okay.
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I always have 'em on a leash
whenever they go outside.
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[Judy]
Were they on a leash on October ninth?
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- Yes.
- Okay, so you were taking them out...
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Although, you did say, Miss Hyland,
that you let them out in your front yard,
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is what you said, I believe,
in your complaint.
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Let me see.
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You didn't say "I took,"
you said, "I let my dogs out
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in the front yard to go to the bathroom."
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Mm-hmm. When I say "let e'm out,"
let me clarify, okay.
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I'm always with my dogs.
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I know you say you're always with them,
that's not my question.
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My question to you was a simple one.
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Were they on-leash or off-leash?
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- Yeah.
- [Judy] Yes, what?
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They were on their leashes, mm-hmm.
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Be careful. You took them out, on leashes,
in the front grass?
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- [Nanette] Mm-hmm.
- [Judy] And what happened?
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When we got down to
the bottom of the steps,
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her dog came out from
underneath the trailer and grabbed Faith.
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[Judy]
Well, she was on a leash.
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{\an8}Yeah, but she grabbed her.
The puppy started to go one way
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{\an8}and I had Faith, and dropped her leash,
and the puppy was going...
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Like, she got out of my hand
and was taking off.
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And her dog was under the trailer,
didn't know it,
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because I had been watching
to make sure she had been inside,
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but didn't see her or the dog out.
And she came out of the trailer
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after the dog grabbed Faith.
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In what location did her dog grab Faith?
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Right by my trailer.
Right by my steps, where I had my steps.
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The chain was long enough
for the dog to go past the tree
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that was right there in between
the two properties.
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- And she came out and started...
- Your dogs came running up to my dog.
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- Just a second.
- You didn't have a hold of the leash.
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That's because the dog broke free.
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You want to continue with this case
or you wanna go?
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No, I wanna continue.
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[Judy] Then, let's understand,
we don't talk to each other.
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So, your version of the events is that
her dog was chained under her trailer,
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you came out with your dogs, on leash.
The puppy ran away, you dropped her leash.
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Her dog got your dog and
took your dog back to her trailer.
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Yeah.
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At what point did she
come out of the trailer?
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{\an8}After the second time her dog
had picked up Faith
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{\an8}and Faith was screaming and
I was screaming.
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Okay. Miss Carrlllo, have you ever had
an incident with your dog before?
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- With another dog?
- No, I haven't. No, I haven't.
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- That's a lie, 'cause...
- [Judy] Ssh!
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I want you to think carefully.
Have you ever had another incident
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with your dog and another dog?
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{\an8}- No.
- [Judy] How long have you had your dog?
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{\an8}Since she was a puppy. Nine years.
Since, uh, 2013.
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And this is the first time she
aggressively bit another animal?
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Yes.
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[Judy] You have information
to the contrary, Miss Hyland?
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- Yeah. Because when I...
- [Judy] Okay. Ssh.
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I'd like you to tell me.
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When I first moved in, she even told me
about how her dog
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- had killed a couple other dogs.
- Wow.
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[Judy]
Okay. Tell me about that.
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She just told me to make sure
I was careful with my dogs
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because her dog has a history of attacking
and aggression toward other dogs.
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[Judy] No. Well, those are conclusions.
You first said
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that her dog killed two dogs...
- She did.
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She told me that her dog was aggressive
and that it has a history
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of killing other dogs and
that it had already killed other dogs,
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and that's why she got kicked out
of her last RV park.
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I've never lived in another RV park.
That's my first RV park ever, living at.
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Where did you live before?
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At my mom's on Main Avenue.
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Did you ever indicate to Miss Hyland that
she should keep her dogs close to her?
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We've never spoken, prior to the incident.
We never... I mean,
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just maybe a "hi." She just had moved in.
I never spoke to her.
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You wanna tell me your version
of what happened on the ninth of October?
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Yes. I was outside, on top of my stairs.
I was sweeping,
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and my dog was
at the bottom of the stairs.
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I have her tied up to the stairs.
There's a ring where I clip her leash to,
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so she can't go far. It's just
this distance, while I was sweeping.
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Would you hand that to me, please?
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And I can hear her dogs barking
while they were inside.
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Would you open it for me?
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Okay. What you're telling me is,
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that this is what you tie on,
under the stairs.
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Where did you tie it?
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This part, right here. And then, I have...
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[Judy] Where?
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I have to show you how I have it,
put it on. Can you give it back?
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Let her show me.
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I would clip it onto her harness,
and then this would clip to the bottom.
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- [Judy] What harness?
- My dog's harness.
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Are you telling me that your dog
was on a two-foot lead?
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Yes. I have her right there,
when I'm right there. Yes.
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- [Judy] Okay. Okay.
- Yeah.
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The neighbor can vouch to that.
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Should I come up?
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Mm-hmm.
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So, you did see part of this incident.
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- Correct.
- Careful.
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You saw it from your trailer,
from your RV?
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Sitting outside my trailer,
in front of my trailer.
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So, I want you to tell me
exactly what you saw.
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[theme music playing]
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{\an8}[narrator] Nanette Hyland
claims her former neighbor,
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{\an8}Sahara Carrillo, owes for vet bills after
Sahara's dog attacked her chihuahua.
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- Tell me your name.
- My name is Garrett Newhouse.
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Mr. Newhouse, how long have you been
the Defendant's neighbor?
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Two, three years.
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Did you see the dog on that gizmo?
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Yes.
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[Judy] How far do you live
from the Defendant?
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I'm directly behind Sahara.
I'm just right behind her.
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Behind hers. So you face
the back or the front of her trailer?
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{\an8}The front of my trailer
faces the back of her trailer.
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{\an8}The door is the same direction,
towards the yard.
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[Judy]
So that you don't see her front door.
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Her trailer's angled so that
I can see her front door.
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Okay. You want to tell me your version
of what happened on the ninth?
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You can sit down.
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I was outside, on top of my stairs,
my dog was at the bottom.
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- On the bottom...
- On this thing, okay.
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I have a hook that I clip her,
uh, leash to.
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And she was sunbathing right there.
I move her other places,
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but while I was there, sweeping on top,
she was right there.
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So, then, I hear her dogs inside,
they were barking.
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And then, all of a sudden, I hear the door
open and the dogs just come rushing,
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both of her dogs. They had leashes on,
but she wasn't holding the leashes.
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And then, my dog grabbed her dog,
and I yelled at my dog
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and whacked her on her head,
and she dropped the dog.
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And then, that's when
she was on her way...
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- [Judy] How did that happen?
- What do you mean?
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Your dog is on a two-foot lead.
You heard her dogs coming out.
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{\an8}You were on top of the stairs, you saw
her dogs, according to you, running,
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{\an8}and your dog is on this much...
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This much, yes.
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No, actually, not that much
'cause you made a loop...
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Yeah, that's the way I do it.
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Well, not a moment ago, you made it,
you made a loop,
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so it was on about this much.
And on about this much lead,
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your dog picked up her dog in the mouth,
how many times?
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Just that one time.
And it's this long.
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You can see where the area is all dirt
where she stays on
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and runs around it or messes in the dirt.
The grass is still right there,
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where it's nice and green, and the area
where she sits in is right there.
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Right in front of my stairs.
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And so, your dog grabbed her dog
in the mouth while close to your trailer.
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- At my trailer, yeah.
- [Judy] At your trailer. And then,
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you hit it on the rear end and
she spit out the dog.
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- [Sahara] Yes.
- [Judy] And then?
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And then, she ran towards her and
she came towards her dog.
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This little dog ran towards the Plaintiff,
the Plaintiff ran towards her.
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And what did you do?
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She went to get her dog and
I brought my dog.
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[Judy]
How did you grab your dog?
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I took her off her leash and
put her inside.
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And then, I went to see if her dog,
you know, is your dog okay?
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You know, you shoulda had
a hold of her leash.
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[Judy]
What did you say to her when you came out?
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Is your dog okay?
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[Judy] Is your dog okay?
And what did she say to you?
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{\an8}I can't remember. She was just, you know,
your dog got my dog
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{\an8}I'm like, how come
you didn't have the leash?
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They were on leashes,
but she wasn't holding them.
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And she said because of her legs,
that she couldn't.
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And I told her, you shouldn't have dogs
if you can't take care of 'em.
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Just a second.
Is that what you said to her,
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you shouldn't have dogs
if you can't take care of them?
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I mean, they can't be loose,
there's a leash law,
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and she didn't have the leash.
She had leashes on 'em,
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but she didn't have a hold of 'em.
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I'm just asking you. That's what
you want me to believe you said to her.
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That's what I said to her, yeah.
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[Judy] You shouldn't have dogs
if you can't take care of them?
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- That's what I said.
- [Judy] Okay.
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And did you see her dog injured
in any way?
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No.
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Can I see the records from the vet,
please?
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Yeah. And here's even photos.
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Was there a report made to,
either the RV or... Ssh!
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I didn't finish my question.
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Was there a report made to the RV park
or to the police department?
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- Yes.
- [Judy] May I see that too, as well?
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I don't have the RV park or
the police report. They could not...
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Okay. Not, "they could not."
The answer is, "I don't have them."
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Yeah. But that's just photos
from the injuries.
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[Judy] I'd like to see
the vet report, please.
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This is the neurology. This is
all the other vet stuff.
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Don't give me a whole bunch of stuff.
I'd like to see the reports
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and the bills from the vet.
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And I am correct, sir, you did not see
any of this incident. Is that correct?
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Only the commotion
when she smacked the dog...
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I'm asking you... No, no, no, no.
Stand up.
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Let's be very careful about your answer.
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Am I correct that you didn't see
any of this incident?
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{\an8}Only after she had smacked the dog and
he dropped the dog and they were...
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That little commotion right there
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where she picked up the dog
and went in the house.
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[Judy] You saw it from your trailer,
from your RV?
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Sitting outside my trailer.
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So, I want you to tell me
exactly what you saw.
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- No, look at me.
- Her...
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- Who's "her"?
- Um, Sahara.
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Her picking up her dog and
going back to her house.
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Where was she when she picked up her dog?
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Uh...
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No. I tell you what you're gonna do,
you're gonna show me right here.
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[Garrett] It was halfway between
her house and...
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Ssh...
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Put a mark where you saw her
where she picked up her dog.
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Okay, may I have that, please?
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[Garrett mutters]
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So, she picked up her dog
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right near Miss Carrillo's RV?
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Correct, yes.
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And where was Miss Carrillo?
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{\an8}She took the dog up the stairs
and put it in the house.
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{\an8}shut the door, and came back out to see.
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{\an8}And at that time, were you listening
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to what the two women
were saying to each other?
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Not really.
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Were they yelling at each other
or were they calm?
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There was yelling.
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So, if they were yelling,
could you hear what the yelling was?
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I didn't know either one of them at that
time, really, that well.
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I think I went back in the house,
at that point, just, whatever.
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Thank you. You've been most helpful.
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Okay. You have the report for me
from the ninth of October?
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- [Nanette] Yeah.
- I'd like to see it.
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Okay, so there was one set of stitches
that the dog had.
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That was her first surgery.
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Okay. Let me see the second time
she was there.
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This is the stuff for that one.
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And that's what the...
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[Judy] This was the day afterwards.
When did she go back?
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It was June 30th, because she
was having grand mal seizures
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and they had to keep her because they
had to start her on Phenobarbital
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because of the eye injuries and
the head injuries.
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Well, it doesn't really talk about
those injuries.
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In the pictures, it shows
where her head was punctured.
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I see one wound.
And I don't see a photograph...
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On the picture itself, you see her head,
there's a mark right here,
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on her head by her eye.
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That was a puncture wound
that they had to clean out.
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Okay. The Defendant says
both dogs had a leash on
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but that the leashes weren't attached
to your hand.
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Is that correct?
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I... Honestly, I don't remember,
because most of the time,
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when I'm coming down the steps,
I have their leash in hand.
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And sometimes, like, going down the steps,
I lose the leash,
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or I drop it and they are
at the bottom of the steps, waiting for me
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because they know it takes me a minute
to get down the steps.
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[Judy] Okay.
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If you're standing on your steps sweeping,
you see her dogs running across,
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then you jump down from the step
and you grab your dog.
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Didn't she say that she wasn't sure
if she was holding the leash?
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Her dogs came rushing to my dog.
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I don't answer your questions.
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[theme music playing]
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{\an8}[narrator] Nanette Hyland
says her former neighbor,
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{\an8}Sahara Carrillo, is responsible
for her chihuahua's vet bills.
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Sahara claims her dog was tied up and
Nanette's dog ran under her property.
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At any time, did Faith run across the
lawn?
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No, she was right by the steps
because the tree is right there.
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it was like, in between our spaces
isn't even as big as this.
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In between here and
your front of the bench.
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And literally, she was grabbed
right by my steps.
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Was any report made by you
to any animal control?
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I called 911 and reported it and
they can't find the report,
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but it was done over the phone. And
I waited for 'em to come out for a week,
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and I kept calling them...
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I did it over the phone with them.
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00:18:45,867 --> 00:18:50,800
Did you ascertain from the Defendant
whether her dog was up to date
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in rabies shots?
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I didn't ask any questions afterwards,
I was just trying to make sure
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and find out what was going on with her.
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Did anyone from the RV park come and
discuss the incident with you?
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They just asked me what happened.
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[Judy]
So, the answer is yes.
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Do you have any sort of documentation of
that discussion that they had with you?
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There was no documentation.
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[Judy] Do you remember
the name of the person you spoke to?
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- Yes. Yes.
- [Judy] Are you still at the RV park?
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Did you tell the RV park that there was
a witness to this event?
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- No.
- Well, there were two different versions
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of the event. One says that
your dog came and attacked hers,
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{\an8}and you say that her chihuahua came and
was aggressive toward your dog.
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{\an8}But you have, allegedly,
an independent witness
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who saw part or most of it who you
brought to court today.
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I assume that the Plaintiff communicated
to the RV park that your dog was at fault.
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- Correct?
- Yes.
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[Judy]
And you say your dog was not at fault.
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Is there any reason why you didn't tell
the RV park that there was a witness?
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Oh, because I didn't know yet.
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00:19:54,867 --> 00:19:58,900
When did you find out that he
had seen anything of the event?
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Maybe, like, uh, three weeks after?
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Tell me about that. How did you find out?
that he had seen any part of it?
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Because I was talking to him
about what was going on,
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that she was gonna take me to court
and then he said that he had seen...
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No. So now, you were
talking to your neighbor.
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- Right.
- [Judy] Which meant that you
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must have been, at least somewhat,
friendly towards him.
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At that time, yes.
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At the time of the incident,
on the ninth of October.
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We didn't know each other that well.
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But you had lived there for a long time.
How long had you lived there?
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Since July 20th.
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[Judy] And how has he been living there?
How long have you been living there?
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A long time, 20 years.
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[Judy]
A long time, 20 years. So, my question is,
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what prompted you three weeks later
to have a discussion with him?
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00:20:43,367 --> 00:20:45,333
Because I started to get to know him
by then.
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I worked. I worked at that time,
I worked a lot.
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00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,734
You know, so I started to, uh,
conversate with my neighbor. That's...
407
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,033
Mm-hmm. Okay. How much
were your vet bills?
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At this point, it's over $10,000.
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[Judy]
Have they been paid?
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[Nanette]
Most of them.
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[Judy] I'd like to see the bills.
The last bill.
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And can I say something
about what she said?
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First of all, she was in there
way before I was.
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She had already been there over a year.
And second of all,
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the thing is, is she couldn't have
said anything three weeks after
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because it wasn't after
until my leg recovered
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from having to have emergency surgery from
falling right after the incident happened
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that I even decided to file court papers.
So the court papers weren't even filed.
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- Until when?
- [Nanette] Until June.
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I didn't say they were filed.
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You said three weeks after.
But anyways, so...
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May I see the bills, please?
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All this happened back in October.
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And I literally couldn't get
to the courthouse,
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to be able to drive to the courthouse.
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How much do you owe the vet?
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00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,633
What I've already paid is over $2,000,
or right around $2,000 in cash
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that I've paid. But to get her MRI,
I need to pay $3,000.
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00:22:05,667 --> 00:22:10,300
There is no nexus that can be drawn
between these seizures
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- that she's having now, other than the...
- Well...
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00:22:12,667 --> 00:22:16,000
I'm speaking. Other than
the vet saying that it's possible
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- that it can be caused by trauma.
- Yeah.
433
00:22:18,166 --> 00:22:21,767
Other than that, that's the only thing
I saw there. There was not a full report
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that said that the trauma that she had
six months before
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was the basis for these seizures
that she's having.
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00:22:29,633 --> 00:22:31,200
Seizures, she's eleven years old.
437
00:22:31,266 --> 00:22:33,300
She was having these seizures
right after the attack.
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00:22:33,367 --> 00:22:38,266
Miss Hyland, you have to understand
that you need an expert witness
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00:22:38,333 --> 00:22:42,633
that you don't have, to demonstrate
that the seizures that your dog
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is currently having is a direct result of
this dog attack. Do you understand?
441
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Faith is eleven years old,
and it's possible...
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- I have the neurology...
- [Judy] Just a second.
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It's possible that it comes from that,
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it's possible it comes
from something else.
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00:22:55,967 --> 00:22:59,066
I don't deal in possibilities.
All I want to know is,
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what vet bills you paid for October ninth
and October tenth.
447
00:23:05,166 --> 00:23:11,066
The actual total was $1,526.62
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without her medicine being involved.
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00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,767
[Judy] Okay. Well, that's a reasonable
vet bill for those two days.
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00:23:17,834 --> 00:23:19,934
She did have two different surgeries.
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And the medications that
you're talking about
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- were also included in that $1,526.
- [Nanette] Right.
453
00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:30,867
Other than for the seizures that
you want me to draw a connection with,
454
00:23:30,934 --> 00:23:35,166
which I'm not. And nothing more
is owed to the vet for those two days,
455
00:23:35,233 --> 00:23:36,800
- October ninth and tenth.
- Right.
456
00:23:36,867 --> 00:23:42,166
Okay. Miss Carrillo, I have to make
a determination as to whether or not
457
00:23:42,233 --> 00:23:47,000
I believe the story that
her two little dogs rushed up to your dog
458
00:23:47,066 --> 00:23:50,567
that was being chained to a step
on a very, very short lead
459
00:23:50,633 --> 00:23:55,467
with you standing right there. And whether
or not I believe that you stood there
460
00:23:55,533 --> 00:23:59,600
while your dog, that was on
a very short lead, that has never had
461
00:23:59,667 --> 00:24:03,834
any problems with aggression before,
picked up her dog, twice,
462
00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:06,734
because once she had puncture wounds
in the stomach
463
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,100
and once she had puncture wounds
around the head.
464
00:24:09,166 --> 00:24:12,567
And I don't believe you.
Quite frankly, I don't believe you.
465
00:24:12,633 --> 00:24:15,133
And I think you're responsible for
her vet bills.
466
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,967
I think you would've indicated...
467
00:24:17,033 --> 00:24:19,967
Didn't she say that she didn't
have the leash, that she wasn't sure
468
00:24:20,033 --> 00:24:22,700
if she was holding the leash?
Her dogs came to my dog...
469
00:24:22,767 --> 00:24:25,500
I don't answer...
I don't answer your questions.
470
00:24:25,567 --> 00:24:29,133
If you're standing on your steps sweeping,
471
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,100
Yes.
472
00:24:30,166 --> 00:24:33,867
And your dog is now chained,
and you see her dogs running across,
473
00:24:33,934 --> 00:24:39,033
then you jump down from the step and
you grab your dog. That's what you do.
474
00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:42,200
You have a very big dog
that you keep on a very short,
475
00:24:42,266 --> 00:24:45,266
according to you, chain,
and there's a reason for that.
476
00:24:45,333 --> 00:24:47,333
- So if you're standing over there...
- Because...
477
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,667
This is not a question and answer.
You're responsible for her vet bills.
478
00:24:50,734 --> 00:24:54,333
I believe her. $1,526.
Judgment for the Plaintiff.
479
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,667
We're finished, thank you.
480
00:24:55,734 --> 00:24:57,633
[bailiff]
This court is adjourned.
481
00:24:59,333 --> 00:25:02,367
{\an8}They behave, like, even in the courtroom.
482
00:25:02,433 --> 00:25:05,033
{\an8}She did get bitten by my dog,
but you know...
483
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:10,133
{\an8}You know, they listen, like, if I
start counting to three with them...
484
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,000
{\an8}It was about her not having them
on a leash and having control of her dogs.
485
00:25:14,066 --> 00:25:16,567
{\an8}They go and do what they're told.
486
00:25:16,633 --> 00:25:19,567
{\an8}About her dog getting hurt.
I mean, I went to see if it was okay.
487
00:25:19,633 --> 00:25:21,533
{\an8}[chuckles] Because that's how she is.
488
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,734
{\an8}That if my dog bites another dog,
I'm gonna have to pay.
489
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,967
So, one thing I found interesting about
that Defendant's testimony was that,
490
00:25:30,033 --> 00:25:33,300
when you were in your line of questioning
about whether or not her dog
491
00:25:33,367 --> 00:25:38,800
had ever been in another fight or
with any other dog, any interaction,
492
00:25:38,867 --> 00:25:42,500
she said no. I thought I remembered
when I was reading her answer,
493
00:25:42,567 --> 00:25:46,834
she stated that she had
a mutual understanding with the Plaintiff
494
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:51,533
that when her larger dog was outside,
the Plaintiff's dogs would be kept inside.
495
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,233
Why would you need to have that sort of
mutual understanding unless you knew
496
00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:59,300
that your larger dog had a propensity
for violence towards other dogs?
497
00:25:59,367 --> 00:26:03,467
That's true. You know, I'd forgotten.
Now that you mention it, I remember.
498
00:26:03,533 --> 00:26:08,667
that I read about this mutual agreement.
Yeah, I wouldn't think that she was afraid
499
00:26:08,734 --> 00:26:10,734
that the chihuahua would attack her dog.
500
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,767
- Probably not.
- Probably not. Thank you.
501
00:26:14,367 --> 00:26:18,066
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