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You're living in a house
with his still wife.
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Yes, ma'am, I am.
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So, I walk into the house, uh...
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Don't look at her.
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He comes storming down the stairs,
coming to beat me up.
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Look at me.
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I'm getting sympathetic with her,
I just want you to know.
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This is Judy Justice.
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{\an8}Frank Adomitis
is suing his wife's boyfriend,
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{\an8}Willy Albrecht for filing
a false police report and harassment.
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Court, come to order. All rise.
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Have a seat, please.
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Case #2068, Adomitis versus Albrecht.
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Thank you.
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You're welcome.
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Mr. Albrecht,
I'm gonna start with you, sir.
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Yes, ma'am.
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You are the current live-in boyfriend
of the Plaintiff's ex-wife?
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Soon-to-be.
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Of the Plaintiff's wife.
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Correct.
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Mr. Adomitis's complaint is
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that as a result of
you making a call to the police,
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he was defamed when you said
that he was trespassing.
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It was a false call to the police
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{\an8}and he wants to be compensated
to the tune of $2,500.
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That's what the case is about.
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{\an8}So, in order to make this whole thing
in context that that I understand...
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{\an8}How long have you been living
with Mrs. Adomitis?
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Since June of '21.
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How long do you know her?
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Since January of '21.
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Have you ever been married?
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Yes, I have.
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When, and for how long?
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Previously, to April of this year,
I was married 15 years.
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So, you were married when you moved in
with Mrs. Adomitis?
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- Yeah, legally.
- Legally.
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Did you own your own home?
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- I did.
- With your, then wife.
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Correct.
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- Did she stay in the house?
- She did.
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Does she have a boyfriend?
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Yes, she does.
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Do you like him?
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No, I do not.
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Does he live in the house?
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Not at this time.
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Did he ever?
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Yes, he did.
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And you didn't like it.
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No, I did not.
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So, I want you to understand
that there is maybe, a reason
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why the Plaintiff resents you
living in a house that he owns
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with his still wife, and
you're living there. Do you understand?
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I do.
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'Cause you sort of have the same
situation. You're kindred spirits.
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Just a minute. Actually,
you're kindred spirits.
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Except, my 15-year-old son
also lives with this young man.
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Well, that's all right, but you understand
why he might be annoyed.
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{\an8}- I do, but...
- Okay.
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{\an8}So, now, understanding all that,
I want you to tell me,
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because I'm not totally sympathetic
with you, sir,
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because if you and your wife
are divorcing,
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you're entitled to move on with your life,
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and so is she entitled to move on
with your life.
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Where do you live?
You live in an apartment?
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I live in a condominium.
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Okay. How long have you lived
in the condo?
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I've lived... When we separated,
uh, March of 2021.
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And who do you live with?
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I currently live with my old...
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No-no-no. Who do you live with,
is the question.
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My older son.
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{\an8}- And how old is he?
- Nineteen.
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And how many bedrooms are in the condo?
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- Two.
- And what about you? Have a girlfriend?
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- Yes, I do.
- Ever stay over?
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My house? No.
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- Do you ever stay at her house?
- No.
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- Does she live with her children?
- Yes.
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- And is she divorced?
- Yes.
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- And she stayed in the house.
- Yes.
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You see how all these things go?
It's just...
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It's just as the world turns.
It's just what happens.
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Been there. Understand it all.
Can either make it hard or difficult.
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Who pays the mortgage on the house?
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Paid off.
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Okay. So, you have one teenage child,
your wife has the other.
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Yes.
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And how close is the judgment to divorce
to being finalized?
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Not close.
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Not close. Is that
for financial reasons or custody reasons?
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Financial.
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Have to do with the house?
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Yes.
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Okay. How much is the house...
I'm just... fleshing this out.
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Probably because I'm a little bit
of a yenta.
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Behind this... Behind this purple robe
is a little bit of a yenta.
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{\an8}You know, with the housing market
and being a CPA,
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{\an8}you know, it's hard to say,
but I would say somewhere...
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Why don't you give Sarah
the address of the house
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and we'll tell you what this estimate is.
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[muted], California.
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While she's looking that up, tell me when
you and your wife purchased it.
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2006. August of 2006.
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And during the course of the marriage,
were you employed all the time?
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A hundred percent.
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And what about your wife?
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A hundred percent.
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So, you were both employed
and both contributed to the house.
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- Fair statement?
- Yes.
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Great. Okay.
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It's, uh, four bedrooms,
two and a half baths.
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This estimate is $552,000.
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And just for my own curiosity,
what's the rub about the house?
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- The rub about the house...
- Come on, it's simple.
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The rub about the house
is she's-she's now went in
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and spent an ungodly amount of money
on fixer upper, after I moved out,
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and went into a massive amount of debt.
The house was fully paid off.
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And she's now in massive debt.
She's put in fixer upper...
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No-no, don't look at her, look at me.
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So, she's fixed up the house
after you moved out.
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- Correct.
- And?
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- It's not a problem...
- Just a second.
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So, what's the problem?
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There is no problem with the house.
Meaning that, you know,
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we're still debating who's actually
gonna end up with the house.
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We haven't decided.
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You know, whoever wants to be in the house
buys the other one out.
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Exactly.
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For $260,000.
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Correct.
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Okay? It would seem to me
that would be easy.
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- I think so.
- Okay.
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Now that I've satisfied the yenta in me,
I'm getting back to the case.
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All right, you called the police.
This incident, according to what I read,
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Mr. Adomitis, happened on November 5th.
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Correct.
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You went to the house to pick up your son.
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Correct.
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Okay. Was that a meeting that had been
arranged before?
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I have visitation every two weeks.
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Every two weeks, when?
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Every, every other weekend.
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Well, so you... was this a weekend?
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Yes, that was one where I was
gonna go pick him up.
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Okay. Had you spoken to him?
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- Yes.
- And so he was expecting you
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to come at a certain time.
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- Absolutely.
- What time?
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Approximately, we had arranged,
about 7:15. That... 7:15, 7:30 that night.
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Okay. And you had visitation
fixed by the court.
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And you had been enjoying that
with your son for a period of time?
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Correct.
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Okay. What happened
when you got there at 7:15?
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Well, on that particular visit,
my wife had taken his key to the house.
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- And I had...
- No-no-no-no.
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I told you, don't look at her.
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Oh, okay, sorry, sorry. Uh, okay.
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I'm getting sympathetic with her,
I just want you to know that.
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- Okay, okay.
- 7:15,
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you went to pick up your son.
And you were annoyed
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because your wife had taken your son's key
away from him.
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Correct.
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And you thought your son
should have his key 'cause he was 15.
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- Correct. Yes.
- And?
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- So, at that particular time, I-I...
- No-no, don't look down.
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{\an8}Okay, look at you.
I had went into the house,
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{\an8}I had never been in that house
since I moved out, and so I wanted...
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How did you get into the house?
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The house, the door was open.
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Okay. The door isn't wide open,
you mean it was unlocked.
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- Unlocked.
- Okay.
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Let's not say the door was open,
the door was unlocked.
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Door was unlocked. You don't live there
anymore, you live in a condo.
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- Correct.
- Okay. Did you ring the bell?
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- No. Yes.
- Knock at the door?
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Nobody an... But there's a bell.
There's a bell.
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- There was a bell.
- There's a bell.
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- Yes.
- Didn't ring the bell.
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Opened the door. Knocked, opened the door.
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- Yes.
- Your house. I own half of it,
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{\an8}I'm going to ask my wife a question.
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{\an8}- Yes.
- Keep going.
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Walked into the house.
At that particular time,
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she is sitting there with my son.
At that particular time,
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she... I asked her...
I asked her to get a copy of the key,
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and we became into an argument.
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She didn't want me to have
a copy of the key.
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And I tried to explain to her
without a copy of the key,
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he can't get in the house
if I drop him off at odd hours
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and you don't have to be home.
So then, she got upset.
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At that point, then, uh, I never met
Mr. Albrecht before this time,
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{\an8}he comes storming down the stairs.
Mr. Albrecht is then,
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I think Mr. Albrecht's coming
to beat me up.
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He is storming down the stairs.
I've since learned that Mr. Albrecht...
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Just! Just pay careful attention to me.
So far, you're in the wrong.
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Okay.
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- Let me just tell you.
- Okay.
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- So far, from a legal perspective,
- Right.
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and a common sense perspective,
you're in the wrong.
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- I'll explain why in a second.
- Okay. So, I walk into the house...
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- We got past that. We got past that.
- Okay.
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So now, you want a copy of the key.
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- And she says no.
- For my son.
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I don't care if you want to give it
to your parakeet.
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You're not entitled to a copy of the key.
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- Okay.
- Let's start right there.
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And let's start with my first point is,
if you're going there to pick up your son
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- for a pre-arranged visit,
- Yes.
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you don't walk into the house.
You have a 15-year-old son.
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A 15-year-old son has a phone.
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I tried to call him, yes.
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Oh, you tried to call, and what happened?
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He said he was there, that he said...
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Ah, bup-bup-bup, be very careful
what you say to me.
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- Okay. He was...
- You called your son.
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I called my son. Be ready to go.
He said, okay, I'm ready to go.
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That was at about seven o'clock.
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Yes, approximately.
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What do you mean, "yes, approximately"?
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It was probably on my way to pick him up.
So, when I come up there,
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- I call him on the phone.
- He's ready to go.
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- Yes.
- So, you walked in.
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- You had no right to enter the house.
- Did not know that.
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Well, you had no right to enter the house.
You knew that your wife changed the locks.
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I did not know at that time she had
changed the locks
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'cause the door was open.
I had not been back...
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No, listen to me. You went there
because... Mr. Adomitis,
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You have to be a two-process thinker, sir,
before you give me a lot of bologna.
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You knew that your old key
didn't open the house.
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Otherwise, you would've said,
your mother took away your key
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I'll make you another key from my copy.
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True.
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True, of course, it's true.
So... You know.
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And later today...
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I wasn't allowed to live
with my dad and step-mom
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'cause they moved into
a 55 and over neighborhood.
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When?
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Um... They...
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Just... If you tell the truth,
you don't have to have a good memory.
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{\an8}Frank Adomitis
claims his wife's boyfriend,
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{\an8}Willy Albrecht, wrongfully called
the police while visiting his own house.
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Okay. If you needed a copy of the key,
to a house that you partially own,
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Yes.
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You would've had a key to the house.
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Correct.
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You didn't need a copy to make
because you would've had one.
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So, you knew that your old key
didn't open the house.
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Otherwise, you would've said,
your mother took away your key,
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I'll make you another key from my copy.
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True.
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True, of course, it's true.
So... You know.
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So, he called the police and
he said you were trespassing.
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{\an8}No, he didn't say that at all.
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What did he say?
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{\an8}He said he told me I was trespassing.
Then, he called on the phone,
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and when he was on the phone
with the police department,
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he is telling them that I am
now committing domestic violence.
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Now, that is a very serious charge.
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{\an8}I mean, we can debate about
my access to the house,
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{\an8}but when you call the police and say
that I'm committing domestic violence,
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which is a crime
in the state of California,
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that's a game-changer. So...
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I want to ask you a question,
Mr. Adomitis.
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When you walked into the house
and you saw your wife and your son,
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I want to know, when you walked in, uninvited,
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True.
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your first words were,
I want a copy of the key.
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That's what you said,
you said, I want a copy of the key.
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Would you read that back to me,
please, Whitney?
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"At that particular time,
I asked her to get a copy of the key,
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and we became into an argument."
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So now, you're in an argument
and you're a trespasser.
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Your case is dismissed. Goodbye.
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Goodbye.
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- Okay.
- This court is adjourned.
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Very, very shocking.
280
00:12:29,734 --> 00:12:32,066
She's absolutely correct,
as she usually is.
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I had no idea this was gonna
blow up into World War III.
282
00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,133
He's all about winning. He didn't
get his way, he was throwing a tantrum.
283
00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,467
I feel that he's trying to do whatever
he can to keep me out of the picture.
284
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He lives by his own rules.
285
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He, uh, just simply wants me
out of the way so he can take over.
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Let the courts decide.
287
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It's always so unfortunate
when people divorce.
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I mean, the story is, this...
I could've written this script
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without even listening to the people.
But they have two teenage boys,
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fifteen, nineteen years old.
One's chosen to live with the father,
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one's chosen to live with the mother.
Clearly, the son said to him,
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- mom took away my key.
- Mm-hmm.
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She clearly took away his key
for a reason.
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Mm-hmm.
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I didn't even want to get into
what the reason was,
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but clearly, she took away the key
for a reason.
297
00:13:16,233 --> 00:13:18,934
Otherwise, she doesn't look like
an unreasonable person.
298
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Her boyfriend doesn't look like
an unreasonable guy.
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00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,767
And he was flexing his muscles.
And the fight is over the house.
300
00:13:25,834 --> 00:13:28,400
Because I gather that's
the only real asset they have.
301
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Point of contention.
302
00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:31,467
Unfortunate when people don't realize
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that they have to love their children
more than they hate each other.
304
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So true.
305
00:13:36,133 --> 00:13:40,767
Case #2069, Hastings versus Cammer.
All parties, please step forward.
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{\an8}Ryan Hastings
is suing his former roommate,
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{\an8}Payton Cammer for a security deposit,
personal belongings,
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and filing a false restraining order.
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00:13:50,500 --> 00:13:53,233
Mr. Hastings, you and the Defendant
were roommates?
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00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:55,433
- I'm not quite understanding...
- Yes, correct.
311
00:13:55,500 --> 00:13:59,900
Clearly, whether you were roommates
or in a relationship? What was it?
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It was just roommates.
313
00:14:01,133 --> 00:14:02,934
When did you start to be roommates?
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In September of 2020.
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00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,400
{\an8}Did you know each other before?
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00:14:07,467 --> 00:14:08,800
{\an8}- Yes.
- How?
317
00:14:08,867 --> 00:14:12,967
{\an8}We were just friends that met at a party
and hung out often.
318
00:14:13,033 --> 00:14:16,367
- Starting when?
- Um, that was in...
319
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December of 2019.
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And what made you decide to room together?
321
00:14:20,266 --> 00:14:24,700
We were both looking for a place to live.
So, um, since we both needed that,
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00:14:24,767 --> 00:14:26,367
we found this apartment together.
323
00:14:26,433 --> 00:14:27,834
- Two bedrooms?
- Correct.
324
00:14:27,900 --> 00:14:30,934
- And you moved in with animals.
- Correct.
325
00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,934
I understand from the complaint.
326
00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,100
- Cats. How many?
- Yes.
327
00:14:35,166 --> 00:14:36,400
- I had two.
- I had two.
328
00:14:36,467 --> 00:14:38,734
I didn't ask you anything yet.
You had two.
329
00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,433
And Miss Cammer had two.
Any other animals?
330
00:14:41,500 --> 00:14:42,367
No.
331
00:14:42,433 --> 00:14:45,000
So, you started to live together
during COVID.
332
00:14:45,066 --> 00:14:45,934
Correct.
333
00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,433
- Were you working?
- Yes.
334
00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:49,600
- Was Miss Cammer working?
- Yes.
335
00:14:49,667 --> 00:14:51,567
What was the rent on the apartment?
336
00:14:51,633 --> 00:14:54,266
It was $1,365.
337
00:14:54,333 --> 00:14:55,800
And you each paid half.
338
00:14:55,867 --> 00:14:56,734
Correct.
339
00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,500
So far, correct?
340
00:14:58,567 --> 00:15:03,200
Was everything okay in 2020?
September, October, November, December?
341
00:15:03,266 --> 00:15:04,133
As far as rent?
342
00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,333
No, as far as the living arrangement.
343
00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:07,934
Oh, um, in 2020... Yeah.
344
00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,834
We just had mini squabbles
but overall, we were just fine.
345
00:15:10,900 --> 00:15:14,200
I'm going to ask you the same question.
2020, everything okay?
346
00:15:14,266 --> 00:15:15,133
No.
347
00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:16,800
What happened in 2020?
348
00:15:16,867 --> 00:15:19,767
{\an8}It was emotional warfare
since I moved in with him.
349
00:15:19,834 --> 00:15:21,900
{\an8}There was arguments with everything,
350
00:15:21,967 --> 00:15:24,066
even simple things,
like cleaning the dishes.
351
00:15:24,133 --> 00:15:27,233
Just non-stop. I was terrified of him,
living with him.
352
00:15:27,300 --> 00:15:29,867
I couldn't bring anything up
without it being an argument.
353
00:15:29,934 --> 00:15:33,700
Okay. So, prior to
moving in with Mr. Hastings,
354
00:15:33,767 --> 00:15:34,667
where did you live?
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00:15:34,734 --> 00:15:35,633
With my parents.
356
00:15:35,700 --> 00:15:36,767
How old are you?
357
00:15:36,834 --> 00:15:37,734
I'm 21.
358
00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,400
Is this the first time you had an
apartment?
359
00:15:39,467 --> 00:15:41,233
- Yes.
- And how far away
360
00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:43,567
were your parents from this apartment?
361
00:15:43,633 --> 00:15:44,667
About like ten minutes.
362
00:15:44,734 --> 00:15:46,900
If you were terrified,
you should've moved home.
363
00:15:46,967 --> 00:15:48,800
I wasn't allowed to.
364
00:15:48,867 --> 00:15:50,467
You weren't allowed to because?
365
00:15:50,533 --> 00:15:53,934
{\an8}Because my, um, I just... I wasn't allowed
to live with my dad and step-mom
366
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,433
{\an8}'cause they moved into a 55 and over neighborhood.
367
00:15:56,500 --> 00:15:57,367
When?
368
00:15:57,433 --> 00:15:59,066
Um... they...
369
00:15:59,133 --> 00:16:02,633
If you tell the truth,
you don't have to have a good memory.
370
00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:05,000
They moved in a little after
I moved into my apartment.
371
00:16:05,066 --> 00:16:07,467
I moved into my apartment
to prepare for them moving out.
372
00:16:07,533 --> 00:16:09,266
I just don't want to hear drama.
373
00:16:09,333 --> 00:16:12,066
If you had fights over who's gonna clean
the dishes and who...
374
00:16:12,133 --> 00:16:15,033
I don't want to hear "terrified" unless
you're terrified.
375
00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:17,700
And if you're terrified,
and you're 21-years-old,
376
00:16:17,767 --> 00:16:20,266
you go back to where you came from,
to your parents' house.
377
00:16:20,333 --> 00:16:23,166
If you're terrified.
You may not have liked it,
378
00:16:23,233 --> 00:16:28,300
but that's just kid drama.
So, squabbles in 2020.
379
00:16:28,367 --> 00:16:32,800
Your lawsuit says that
she disposed of your belongings,
380
00:16:32,867 --> 00:16:35,233
she filed a restraining order.
- Yes.
381
00:16:35,300 --> 00:16:39,066
As a result of the restraining order,
you were evicted from the apartment.
382
00:16:39,133 --> 00:16:40,000
{\an8}Yes.
383
00:16:40,066 --> 00:16:42,834
{\an8}It was a false restraining order.
You hired a lawyer
384
00:16:42,900 --> 00:16:46,400
{\an8}- to appeal the finding of the judge,
- Yes.
385
00:16:46,467 --> 00:16:48,533
that you had harassed her
386
00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,467
because the restraining order
was based on harassment.
387
00:16:51,533 --> 00:16:53,834
- Yes.
- May I see a copy of it, please?
388
00:16:53,900 --> 00:16:55,633
I have a copy of the restraining order.
389
00:16:55,700 --> 00:16:58,300
Of the order, or what it was based on?
390
00:16:58,367 --> 00:17:01,333
It has the whole thing.
It says what it was based on.
391
00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,567
May I see what she has? It doesn't
look like it tells what it was based on.
392
00:17:05,633 --> 00:17:08,266
You do a write-up of what it was based on.
393
00:17:10,533 --> 00:17:14,567
On the front page, in a little box, it has
a little description of what happened.
394
00:17:14,633 --> 00:17:17,600
Okay.
395
00:17:17,667 --> 00:17:21,967
So, the judge who heard this case,
and I'm assuming
396
00:17:22,033 --> 00:17:26,934
everything in this write-up is true.
On the above date,
397
00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:32,000
which was the 7th of September, 2021.
On the above date and time,
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00:17:32,066 --> 00:17:35,400
"Defendant and Plaintiff
engaged in a verbal argument
399
00:17:35,467 --> 00:17:40,100
over household chores. The Defendant
then made comments to the Plaintiff
400
00:17:40,166 --> 00:17:43,667
the he would go crazy on her
and raised his fist.
401
00:17:43,734 --> 00:17:49,433
The Defendant stated this multiple times
and started shaking in anger,
402
00:17:49,500 --> 00:17:53,600
causing the Plaintiff
to be in fear for her life.
403
00:17:53,667 --> 00:17:55,300
And you had a hearing on this?
404
00:17:55,367 --> 00:17:56,367
Yes.
405
00:17:56,433 --> 00:17:59,233
You had a hearing on this,
you told this to a judge.
406
00:17:59,300 --> 00:18:01,066
I want you to tell me
what you told the judge,
407
00:18:01,133 --> 00:18:02,600
or did you tell the judge anything?
408
00:18:02,667 --> 00:18:06,800
{\an8}I told the judge that I, uh,
was raising my voice,
409
00:18:06,867 --> 00:18:10,934
{\an8}but I was standing a good amount
of distance away from her at the time.
410
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,934
And that I was shaking
because I wasn't being listened to.
411
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:19,367
And that was it, there was no, uh,
physical, uh, interaction there.
412
00:18:19,433 --> 00:18:20,767
Only verbal interaction.
413
00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:25,767
Did the judge say to you,
how would you describe shaking in anger
414
00:18:25,834 --> 00:18:27,367
'cause you weren't being listened to?
415
00:18:27,433 --> 00:18:32,567
I was shaking just because I was angry,
I was trying to keep my composure.
416
00:18:32,633 --> 00:18:34,033
Well, that would frighten me.
417
00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,834
Ryan Hastings
claims his former roommate,
418
00:18:48,900 --> 00:18:51,767
Payton Cammer owes
for a security deposit
419
00:18:51,834 --> 00:18:53,567
and personal belongings.
420
00:18:53,633 --> 00:18:57,400
Payton is countersuing for rent
and emotional distress.
421
00:18:57,467 --> 00:19:02,033
Now, tell me, did the judge say to you,
how would you describe shaking in anger
422
00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:03,800
'cause you weren't being listened to?
423
00:19:03,867 --> 00:19:05,367
Can you repeat that question, please?
424
00:19:05,433 --> 00:19:07,066
I don't know how you were shaking.
425
00:19:07,133 --> 00:19:10,500
I was shaking as in, like, um,
I was shaking just...
426
00:19:10,567 --> 00:19:14,233
because I was... angry.
I wasn't being listened to.
427
00:19:14,300 --> 00:19:17,800
I was trying to keep my composure,
so I was just shaking.
428
00:19:17,867 --> 00:19:20,233
Well, that would frighten me, actually.
429
00:19:20,300 --> 00:19:23,667
I don't know whether I'd put you out of
your house, but that would frighten me.
430
00:19:23,734 --> 00:19:25,700
Mr. Hastings, where are you living now?
431
00:19:25,767 --> 00:19:27,667
I just moved into a new apartment.
432
00:19:27,734 --> 00:19:28,900
- With whom?
- Myself.
433
00:19:28,967 --> 00:19:30,500
- Better?
- Yes. And my cats.
434
00:19:30,567 --> 00:19:33,033
Perfect. Yourself and your cats. Great.
435
00:19:33,100 --> 00:19:36,867
Now, I'm gonna tell you, Mr. Hastings,
if that happened to me,
436
00:19:36,934 --> 00:19:41,567
with a man who was larger than I was,
that might frighten me
437
00:19:41,633 --> 00:19:44,333
if you appeared out of control.
So, I'm dismissing
438
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,900
that part of your complaint which seeks
damages for a false restraining order.
439
00:19:48,967 --> 00:19:51,533
- Okay.
- What you actually just testified to me.
440
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,567
And I took everything that she said
in her complaint against you.
441
00:19:55,633 --> 00:19:58,700
I didn't even have to ask her.
I wanted to know what you told the judge.
442
00:19:58,767 --> 00:20:00,066
- Of course.
- Then,
443
00:20:00,133 --> 00:20:03,633
it was a reasonable issuing
of a protective order.
444
00:20:03,700 --> 00:20:07,934
Just to make sure that it appeared to me,
what you were testifying to
445
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,033
was that she couldn't tell the difference
whether you were composing yourself
446
00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:13,467
or whether you were out of control.
Okay. So it was...
447
00:20:13,533 --> 00:20:18,166
May I interject and just say that the
restraining order was, uh, repealed
448
00:20:18,233 --> 00:20:22,667
and remanded, saying that the court
did not find sufficient evidence
449
00:20:22,734 --> 00:20:24,166
to impose the order, and...
450
00:20:24,233 --> 00:20:26,400
Whether it was or not, I just...
451
00:20:26,467 --> 00:20:29,533
I don't care what an...
I'm not sitting as an appellate court.
452
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,867
I'm sitting as a trier of fact
for the first time in your civil action.
453
00:20:33,934 --> 00:20:38,900
And what you told me, in my judgment,
was sufficient for a judge to say,
454
00:20:38,967 --> 00:20:43,100
you know, I don't want to preside over
an assault case or homicide case.
455
00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:46,967
This guy says he was shaking,
she says he was shaking in anger.
456
00:20:47,033 --> 00:20:50,433
You say I was shaking
to try to maintain my composure.
457
00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:56,467
Well, I'm not gonna worry about them.
Let him go find someplace else to live.
458
00:20:56,533 --> 00:20:59,767
Which is what he did. So,
I think that that's reasonable.
459
00:20:59,834 --> 00:21:03,266
Money owed for the return of
security deposit.
460
00:21:03,333 --> 00:21:07,033
Now, he was put out of the apartment.
He put in security deposit.
461
00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:08,033
Correct.
462
00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:12,200
And he was put out of the apartment.
How much security deposit did he put in?
463
00:21:12,266 --> 00:21:13,266
$682.
464
00:21:13,333 --> 00:21:15,400
Are you still living in the apartment?
465
00:21:15,467 --> 00:21:16,800
- I am.
- Okay.
466
00:21:16,867 --> 00:21:21,166
When he moved out of the apartment
as a result of this restraining order,
467
00:21:21,233 --> 00:21:25,300
was there any damage in the apartment
that he caused?
468
00:21:25,367 --> 00:21:26,266
{\an8}No.
469
00:21:26,333 --> 00:21:29,467
{\an8}Then you have to give him back his $682.
470
00:21:29,533 --> 00:21:32,700
Because any damage that would've resulted
since he moved out
471
00:21:32,767 --> 00:21:35,800
would be your damage. Okay?
That's fair enough.
472
00:21:35,867 --> 00:21:41,834
$682, that's your security deposit, sir.
Return of belongings.
473
00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:46,133
Okay. So, when you were told that you had
to vacate the apartment,
474
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,734
tell me what belongings
you left in the apartment
475
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,400
which you think she still has
which belong to you.
476
00:21:53,467 --> 00:21:57,233
I do not believe she has anything left...
Anything of mine left in that apartment.
477
00:21:57,300 --> 00:21:59,300
Well, what do you think she owes you for?
478
00:21:59,367 --> 00:22:05,300
I am seeking the money for those items
because they were thrown away.
479
00:22:05,367 --> 00:22:06,233
What items?
480
00:22:06,300 --> 00:22:08,066
Um, so I had a bed...
481
00:22:08,133 --> 00:22:11,367
Just a second. You had a bed and there was
a major flea problem
482
00:22:11,433 --> 00:22:13,266
in the apartment as a result of your cats.
483
00:22:13,333 --> 00:22:15,700
- Correct.
- Okay, she threw away the bed. What else?
484
00:22:15,767 --> 00:22:19,333
Okay. Um, there was a Nintendo Switch.
485
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:20,433
Do you know what that is?
486
00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:24,667
Nintendo Switch? I never found that.
I believe he took that the night with him.
487
00:22:24,734 --> 00:22:27,500
Okay, she didn't have it,
she didn't throw it away. What else?
488
00:22:27,567 --> 00:22:31,066
I also had a hookah that was in there.
489
00:22:31,133 --> 00:22:32,600
- A what, a hookah?
- Yeah.
490
00:22:32,667 --> 00:22:34,367
- Do you have his hookah?
- No.
491
00:22:34,433 --> 00:22:35,834
Go. What's next?
492
00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:36,834
Um...
493
00:22:38,734 --> 00:22:42,000
Okay. If you have to think about it
that hard, sir, we're finished.
494
00:22:42,066 --> 00:22:46,100
She owes you back your security deposit,
that's $682. You have a counterclaim.
495
00:22:46,166 --> 00:22:50,700
Most of it is nonsense. Your counterclaim
for emotional distress. Forget that.
496
00:22:50,767 --> 00:22:54,066
The only one emotionally distressed,
usually, in this room is me.
497
00:22:54,133 --> 00:22:58,166
Money owed for the month's rent,
for a final month's rent. What is that?
498
00:22:58,233 --> 00:23:01,033
He didn't pay the month of September.
He was late on it.
499
00:23:01,100 --> 00:23:04,800
- The month of September.
- That would've been the $682.
500
00:23:04,867 --> 00:23:06,266
Was he there in September?
501
00:23:06,333 --> 00:23:09,200
Um, September 1st would've been
the day the money was due.
502
00:23:09,266 --> 00:23:13,000
No. When did he vacate the apartment
as a result of your restraining order?
503
00:23:13,066 --> 00:23:18,934
{\an8}September 7th. The night of the mistake.
But he was late on rent often.
504
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,033
$682, that's what he gets as
he gets his security deposit back.
505
00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:25,967
Your counterclaim's dismissed.
We're finished. Thank you very much.
506
00:23:26,033 --> 00:23:28,300
- Thank you.
- This court is adjourned.
507
00:23:30,266 --> 00:23:33,033
I don't really disagree with anything.
Everything went perfectly,
508
00:23:33,100 --> 00:23:34,433
the way I would've hoped it went.
509
00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:36,300
I'm glad I got my security deposit back,
510
00:23:36,367 --> 00:23:39,500
but I could've definitely been compensated
for the items that I lost.
511
00:23:39,567 --> 00:23:43,433
I mean, he got a little money out of it
but way less than he thought he would.
512
00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:44,367
It's a good day.
513
00:23:44,433 --> 00:23:47,667
Sometimes I can get anxious,
but I would not hurt anybody physically.
514
00:23:47,734 --> 00:23:48,734
I hope he gets some help.
515
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,734
Me and my cats are the best trio.
516
00:23:52,066 --> 00:23:57,867
You know, I remember, from a very early
period in my life when I started college,
517
00:23:57,934 --> 00:24:01,467
that I wasn't really good at having
a roommate.
518
00:24:01,533 --> 00:24:03,500
I think you must've passed that on to me.
519
00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:05,233
That's... I did.
520
00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:07,367
Especially one that you don't love.
You know, it's hard enough
521
00:24:07,433 --> 00:24:10,533
to live with somebody that you love.
You know, they get irritated.
522
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,333
She said they fought over dishes and
not doing the dishes. Well, you know,
523
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,100
you've lived with us, so you know
I have that argument all the time,
524
00:24:18,166 --> 00:24:19,800
- but I love him.
- Yeah.
525
00:24:19,867 --> 00:24:25,133
It's very hard to deal with somebody's
schmutz that you don't love
526
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,900
You gotta be careful and pick someone
you really think,
527
00:24:27,967 --> 00:24:29,867
and cross your fingers and toes.
528
00:24:29,934 --> 00:24:32,333
Actually, Sarah, I don't think
you should pick anybody.
529
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:37,900
I think what you should do, if you can,
is live in a shoebox, by yourself,
530
00:24:37,967 --> 00:24:39,800
- if that's all you can afford.
- Yeah.
531
00:24:39,867 --> 00:24:43,166
You know how many roommate cases we've
done just in the last couple of years?
532
00:24:43,233 --> 00:24:47,066
All with stress and aggravation
intertwined, immensely.
533
00:24:47,133 --> 00:24:49,133
And that's without romance involved.
534
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,200
I mean, this young man, who looks like
a perfectly reasonable young man,
535
00:24:53,266 --> 00:24:57,867
and very honest, said, he told the judge
that he was shaking.
536
00:24:57,934 --> 00:25:01,200
I said, well, describe to me
what you were doing, and he shook.
537
00:25:01,266 --> 00:25:03,266
That was a little out there.
538
00:25:03,333 --> 00:25:06,767
She was getting under his skin.
There's no question,
539
00:25:06,834 --> 00:25:08,300
she was getting under his skin.
540
00:25:08,367 --> 00:25:10,133
Middle of COVID, everyone's inside.
541
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,967
You could tell she was getting
under his skin, she was terrified.
542
00:25:13,033 --> 00:25:14,467
A little dramatic.
543
00:25:14,533 --> 00:25:15,934
Yeah, a little dramatic.
544
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,633
- Anyway, I think it ended okay.
- Yeah, ended well.
545
00:25:20,166 --> 00:25:24,000
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